August 27, 2023 • 38 mins
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Kristine (00:08):
Oh, hey, it's Carrie and Christine.
Oh.
Welcome
Carrie (00:11):
to two Babes Book Club.
episode one of the two BabesBook Club
Kristine (00:16):
is here.
Wow.
Well, we, yeah, a long timecoming.
Carrie (00:20):
It has been.
Kristine (00:20):
This is fun.
It is fun.
So we read our first book andwe're so excited to just dive
Carrie (00:25):
right in.
We are.
So we read The Happy Place byEmily Henry, if you haven't read
it or you don't want spoilers,do not continue this episode.
Come back when you read it.
Um, if you have read it,welcome.
If you haven't read it and youdon't plan to, but you wanna
listen to us talk.
Welcome.
Yeah, we're so excited.
We are so excited.
This book was really enjoyablefor me, so I'm super excited to,
(00:50):
um, talk about it.
Kristine (00:51):
Same here.
I really enjoyed it, so Iactually just finished it
yesterday.
That's so great.
So it's like fresh in my mind,
Carrie (00:57):
which is really nice.
Which is kind of nice.
I, I mean, I've finished it aweek ago, so I'm not that far
out.
Yeah.
But far enough out that, um, Ihad to do a little quick recap
for myself of some names.
So, The Happy place is about acouple Harriett and Wynn, and
they were the perfect coupletogether and they broke up and
(01:17):
decided not to tell their friendgroup.
Mm-hmm.
And then, um, they went on anannual trip with this friend
group of theirs.
Six different, there's six ofthem total in Maine.
They go to A cottage and it'sthe last time they get to go to
this cottage'cause it's beingsold.
So they, they feel obligated togo to this, um, on this trip and
pretend they're a couple so thatthey can maintain this lake.
(01:40):
Happy facade for everybody.
Yes.
Yeah, that's right.
And one of the couples isactually getting married, um, on
this weekend, which is anotherreason why they're there.
So they felt even more obligatedto keep up the, the ruse, if you
will.
It was so good.
It was so good.
I loved every bit of it.
Me too.
I loved it.
Me too.
(02:00):
So, um, I think this was yourfirst Emily Henry book?
Yes.
Okay.
I've read a couple, I alwaysenjoy her books.
I find them very like, they,they make you warm and fuzzy.
Kristine (02:10):
Yeah.
when Carrie and I were talkingabout it the other day, I said
it was like a warm hug.
I felt just happy the entiretime and.
I was just content with it.
It gave me like happy vibes andwant them to have a good life
vibes.
Mm-hmm.
And I was very invested.
Carrie (02:29):
Me too, in their lives.
I
Kristine (02:31):
loved all the characters too.
Every single one of them, I feltlike I was, um, friends with
them.
Mm-hmm.
And I had to like remind myselfthat.
It's like book
Carrie (02:39):
characters.
She did such a good job.
Such a good job.
Yeah.
So if you haven't read any ofother, any other of Emily
Henry's books, I very muchrecommend it because they're all
kind of, um, they all kind ofhave that feel good.
Mm-hmm.
Vibe, vibe to them.
Good.
I that's fluffy.
I call them like beach reads.
Yeah, fair enough.
One of her books actually iscalled Bee Read.
(02:59):
Oh, I like that.
I think that's what it's called.
Bee Read.
Yeah, I think so.
Okay.
Kristine (03:03):
you have a list of questions?
I
Carrie (03:04):
do, yeah.
The publisher questions.
Why don't we dive right intothat?
Let's start.
Okay.
Before the events of the book,Harriet and Wind's friend group
has had a pretty seamlessexperience traveling together.
What would you look for in anideal travel partner and have
you ever taken a trip that putyour relationship to the test?
I
Kristine (03:22):
don't, I don't think I've ever taken it.
Trip where it put relationshipon me either to test me.
I mean, Jay's gets reallystressed out in security, so
sometimes I wanna like punchhim, but yeah, I don't, yeah.
Um, but no, which is so funny.
He gets really overwhelmed.
It gets a little stressed out atsecurity, but no, I, I don't
think so.
(03:42):
But what I look for in a travelbuddy, it's you.
Yeah.
Um, we've always traveled reallywell.
You and I just like know.
We can go through the motions oflike airport really well.
Mm-hmm.
We're.
Um, we're going on a, a roadtrip soon and I know that that's
just gonna be just as seamless.
Yeah.
Or I anticipate it to just bejust as seamless.
We would hope, um, because weuh, well obviously we get along
(04:06):
very well.
Yeah.
And we have a lot ofsimilarities and Yeah.
Both relaxed and just chill.
And I think that's kind of whatI look for, I
Carrie (04:13):
guess.
Yeah, me too.
What about you?
So.
I mean, I agree with everythingyou said, with you and I
traveling together.
Mm-hmm.
But we also travel togetherreally well, like as couples.
Yes.
And I think one of the keys withhow we travel is we like doing
the same things, but we alsodon't need each other.
Mm-hmm.
To hold each other's hands.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like we can go, yeah.
(04:34):
If you guys feel like doingsomething and we don't, it's
like, okay.
Kristine (04:38):
Yeah.
That's cool.
That's lovely.
Yeah.
And that has happened and wewe're totally okay with it.
Carrie (04:43):
Yeah.
So I look for someone that is,doesn't need handholding,
because I don't wanna have to goon a trip and feel obligated to
like, Have an itinerary thewhole time to make sure that the
people I'm with are entertained.
Yeah.
I don't like that.
Like I would hope you, you cankeep yourself entertained.
I don't like that either,because that just stresses me
out and puts pressure on me.
Same.
And I don't want that.
Kristine (05:03):
Yeah.
I don't like, I don't want tohave to check in on you to make
sure that you're having a good
Carrie (05:08):
time.
No.
Like you should be able to makeyour own fun.
We're just here together to betogether.
Kristine (05:12):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
Agreed.
Carrie (05:15):
Okay.
Have you had a closerelationship that spanned
different phases of your lifeand how, if at all, did those
relationships change with time?
That's,
Kristine (05:26):
yeah.
I mean,'cause we've been friendsfor forever, so Yeah.
I a hundred percent agree.
We've, things have changed overtime.
I mean, we've gone through beingsingle together.
We've gone through.
Other previous relationshipstogether.
We've also gone through gettingmarried and having children and
like mm-hmm.
And then working together andowning a business together.
(05:48):
So we've gone through so manydifferent phases of life phases
and I, there's definitely beenchanges.
I think for the better.
I mean, sometimes I wish I likenot, I wish.
Mm-hmm.
But like sometimes, you know,when you think like you could go
in the past and live your lifeas a 20 something year old, you
know?
Mm-hmm.
But I wouldn't
Carrie (06:08):
change it.
No, me either.
No.
So, yeah.
And I've had friendships thathave ended during phases of my
life too.
Totally.
A hundred percent.
Especially when I had kids, Ifound that's when the most, most
of my old relationships fizzledaway.
Yes.
And some of them picked back upagain when my friends had kids.
Isn't that weird how that thathappens?
(06:28):
Yeah.
And some of them didn't.
Little bizarre.
And that's okay.
Totally.
I think that's okay.
Nick and I definitely lost quitea few friends that we spent a
lot of time with once we hadkids, which is interesting.
It's
Kristine (06:38):
weird why It's weird how that happens.
Yeah.
And I don't really understandwhy, like I know there's, your
focus is obviously on yourfamily now.
Mm-hmm.
So it's a little bit different,but.
It suck.
It does suck sometimes.
Yeah,
Carrie (06:51):
it does.
And that's kind of what I lovedin this book.
Mm-hmm.
Is they were all at differentphases of their life, obviously.
Yeah.
And they kind of all came to therealization.
I liked the realization thatYeah, not everything has to stay
the same.
Yes.
You know, same.
They kind of went through thatprogression.
Yeah.
Where Sabrina wanted so badly tohold on, to hold on to things
(07:13):
staying the same when everyoneelse was changing and growing.
Yeah.
And it kind of causes.
You to grow apart if you don'tembrace the changes.
Kristine (07:21):
Right.
And yeah, embrace it, accept it,grow with it.
Yeah.
Like you, you, then it justforces you to fall apart.
Yes.
But if you accept it and beproud of that change
Carrie (07:34):
that's coming.
Yeah.
And I understand nostalgia too,and I love totally love.
There's some things that I likeI'm totally nostalgic about and
I'm totally getting into aroutine.
But you also have to rememberlike they did, if things are
changing, you just have to rollwith it.
Absolutely.
They had, they did the same likesix things that they've done
every other trip, and everyone'slike, why are we doing this?
Yes.
(07:55):
Like when they went to themovie.
Oh,
Kristine (07:56):
yeah.
And Cleo.
And she was like, I don't wannago.
Like, yeah, we've been doingthis over and over again.
Yeah.
Like, I don't wanna spend mylast week at the cottage in a MO
in movie theater for four hoursand I'm not actually gonna talk
to you.
Yep.
And I totally a hundred percentunderstood that and actually was
very much on her side
Carrie (08:14):
for that.
Me too.
That part I, it's one of thereasons why.
I am not someone who opts to domovie dates.
Yeah, fair enough.
Because I love watching a movie,don't get me wrong.
I just, I hate that in a movietheater, you lose two hours of
like spending time with someone.
Yeah.
Because I don't find sitting andwatching a movie the same as
(08:35):
like spending quality time.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
You're sitting next to eachother.
Yeah.
So I always opt to do likedinner or coffee or whatever.
Yeah.
Or if I'm gonna watch a movie.
I like watching at home because,Yeah, you can take those moments
Kristine (08:45):
totally.
I like, I do like going to themovies and mm-hmm.
Whatever.
And, um, having that, that datenight also, but it has to be
something that we're very muchinto.
Yeah, that's fair.
At that moment.
Mm-hmm.
Because of the conversation thatit brings later.
Yeah.
Um, however, I'm not a person tospend four hours in the theater.
God no.
(09:06):
So, I was, when that was goingon.
I was like, and uh, Cleo did notwant to, yeah.
I said, no, like, I'm with yougirlfriend.
Get outta there.
And I hated that they all went,ended up going and
Carrie (09:18):
they just went anyways, even though none of them wanted
to go.
Yeah.
And I
Kristine (09:21):
hated that'cause I, somebody just needs to stand up
and say,
Carrie (09:27):
Hey.
Nah,
Kristine (09:29):
nah.
Yeah.
Nah, I don't wanna do
Carrie (09:31):
it.
Nah.
Um, I have a question.
Did anyone else know that Cleowas pregnant?
Pretty much the whole book.
Kristine (09:38):
I had no fucking clue.
I knew a viol to swear on thispodcast.
Yeah.
Carrie (09:42):
Oh yeah.
Still two babes.
Okay.
You're just making sure.
Still two babes.
Just'cause we're, we think we'refucking fancy and literary
doesn't mean we can't swear.
Kristine (09:52):
Good taste.
No, I, I absolutely had no clue.
Yeah.
I really thought they were justinvested in the farm and that
they were busy and they keptsaying how, like, they were
waking up super early and theywere in bed at nine o'clock and
blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, Sabrina, like,piss off here.
Mm-hmm.
Give them some time.
They just like, they're.
(10:14):
In deep in this farm.
Farming is hard.
Not that I've ever had anexperience in that.
Yeah.
But farming is hard.
Give them some grace and whenthe time comes, you can come
visit.
I was really irritated with herwhen she was getting a little
sour.
Yeah.
With the two girls.
I was like, just fucking relaxgirl.
Just chill.
Just chill.
(10:34):
And then boom.
Pregnancy alert?
Yes.
I
Carrie (10:37):
had no idea.
Yeah.
So I kind of had an inkling.
I mean, they talked about howshe didn't drink, but she had
stopped drinking a like quite awhile before that.
Yeah.
So I was like, okay.
But then she didn't wannapartake in the edibles.
Mm-hmm.
And then she was very againstthe tattoo.
Yes.
And it just every time I waslike, mm-hmm.
Yeah, no, she's pregnant idea.
(10:57):
Either thought she's ideapregnant or really sick.
But I assumed pregnancy.
I didn't think we were going tosome like dark place.
Yeah.
Kristine (11:04):
Yeah.
I had no idea.
I was
Carrie (11:06):
really surprised.
And I think the, the only reasonthat I think Sabrina's, the fact
that she was so upset, allstemmed from the fact that she
knew the entire time that theyweren't together.
Yeah, definitely.
So I think she had a lot offrustration.
Oh, definitely.
Because her best friends weren'ttelling her the truth.
Right.
The whole time.
The whole time in she, but likethey all knew the whole, like
(11:27):
they all had secrets the wholetime.
Yeah.
All six of them.
And like
Kristine (11:31):
as people do in of course, right.
Like it.
That happens.
But Sabrina just was notaccepting.
No.
She did not wanna accept that.
No, no.
That she wasn't part of it all.
She wants to know.
She was
Carrie (11:43):
so cute when she did find out.
Oh yes.
Very sweet.
So I'll give it to her.
Yes.
But yeah.
Yeah.
She
Kristine (11:49):
really wanted to stay in the nostalgic Yeah.
Phase
Carrie (11:53):
of her life.
And I get it because Totally.
It, it probably, I mean, it wasdefinitely a part of their life
where she probably.
Enjoyed, like, had so much funand mm-hmm.
Wasn't sure what the next phasewas gonna bring.
So she was holding on so tight,but like, girl.
Yeah.
'cause it can
Kristine (12:09):
be, it's scary growing, not just growing up,
but just growing as a person.
Yeah.
Sometimes it can be really scaryand she wanted to hold on what
she was comfortable with.
Mm-hmm.
And so I totally get it.
I did relate with that for sure.
Yes, me too.
Um, I, and I did feel.
Not bad for her, but I felt, Ifelt for her.
Mm-hmm.
Wanting to stay in that phase.
(12:32):
However, I was
Carrie (12:33):
like, but that's the, that's the thing I find most is
if you actually have a genuinefriend mm-hmm.
They'll, like, they're gonnaembrace your changes as they
totally come.
It's not gonna push you apart.
No.
The, the, the, the lying in thesteaming wheel though.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, this is actually a goodquestion.
(12:54):
Do you tend to avoid conflict orface it head on?
Has this changed over time?
If so, why?
Kristine (12:59):
I like to avoid everything.
I absolutely, related toHarriett Yes.
In so many ways.
Yes.
Um, because she doesn't like totalk about her feelings.
Um, and that's one of thehardest things for me.
And I absolutely 110% try toavoid conflict as much as
(13:21):
possible.
So I end up swallowing thingsand it's just mm-hmm.
Then, and then it feels likeit's too far gone and then
bringing it back up is like theworst thing in the world because
then.
You know, it's like a lie.
Not like not.
Mm-hmm.
It's not a lie, but that's howlies go, right?
Yes.
Like the longer you lie, theworse it is.
Right?
Exactly.
So I feel like once you swallowyour feelings and how you
(13:44):
actually feel, it's harder tobring up and it's just Yeah.
Even
Carrie (13:48):
harder to fix.
The worst part for me is'causethat can completely relate is
it's one of those things thatsits like a weight on your
shoulders forever.
Yeah.
And then once you finally dodeal with it or do talk about
it, you're like, well, that
Kristine (14:01):
wasn't so bad.
Carrie (14:02):
Wow.
Yeah.
Like as if we couldn't have justlike had this conversation a
year ago Yeah.
Or whatever, six months ago.
And I didn't have to walk aroundthis with this like weight.
Yeah.
Dangling over me forever.
It's
Kristine (14:15):
um, we've recently had a conversation, we're setting a
boundary of.
Not discussing things thathappened maybe a week ago.
Yeah.
Or like 10 days ago because it'sbeen gone.
Yeah.
It's digestive.
Carrie (14:27):
cause we should have, we should deal with them head on
head when it happens.
Head on.
Exactly.
So has this changed over time?
No, but we're working on it.
Yes,
Kristine (14:35):
totally.
Yeah.
Because a hundred percent I,
Carrie (14:37):
I am totally one of those people.
I hate rehashing old shitbecause it's so far gone, but
like how easy is it to come out?
So easy?
So like you gotta deal with thatshit when it happens.
Yeah.
Because otherwise it's just likethis perpetual cycle of shit.
Kristine (14:51):
Yeah.
And then I'm a person likeHarriet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
'cause it just makes thingsworse.
Yeah.
And you do end up pushing peopleaway.
Yeah, totally.
So it I 100% related to Harrieton so
Carrie (15:04):
many different levels.
Oh God.
When everyone's like, why didn'tyou tell us?
Why did you avoid it?
Well,'cause if you don't talkabout it, it's not real.
Yeah, exactly.
A hundred percent.
If you don't talk about theissue, it didn't happen.
It didn't happen
Kristine (15:16):
totally
Carrie (15:16):
because it.
Soon as they would've talkedabout that breakup.
Mm-hmm.
Then they're broken up.
Yes.
But if you don't talk about it.
Kristine (15:23):
Yeah.
And I totally understand her andWyn and how they didn't want to
mess with their relationshipwith their other friends and
they were such a mm-hmm.
Close knit group that, um, Theydon't wanna hurt their other,
their friends.
Yeah.
So by not talking about it isjust mm-hmm.
You still had, you were stillable to hold onto that
(15:43):
relationship in every, witheverybody in every aspect.
Yeah.
Carrie (15:46):
cause everyone else thought you were still together.
Yep.
So your relationship hasn'tchanged with them.
Yep.
I spoke to
Kristine (15:51):
my soul.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I've never lied about a,or like No fabbed about a
relationship before.
No,
Carrie (15:58):
but I understood it.
I've never had anything that bigYeah.
That I just bottled up and keptto myself.
Yeah.
But, Things.
Kristine (16:06):
Yeah.
Wild times.
It is wild times.
It was, it was
Carrie (16:09):
a good book though.
Yeah.
I loved it.
Um, who, uh, well, we kind ofjust talked about this, but who
out of this friend group do youmost relate to and who do you
least relate to?
So, Harriet.
Kristine (16:19):
Yeah.
Harriet.
Carrie (16:20):
100%.
Yeah.
And a little, a little bit ofSabrina for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
I have my own Sabrina in me.
Fair enough.
A lot of the, like when she madeeverybody like the itinerary and
shit, I was like, love that.
I did love the itinerary.
Did you, did you make that anexcel?
Because it really brought mejoy.
Kristine (16:40):
Yeah.
That was really funny.
Yeah.
But I
Carrie (16:41):
do like it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and the, the want anddesire to hold onto to things
that you are nostalgic for.
Yeah, I get that too.
Yes, totally.
And like the routine of like,
Kristine (16:54):
I, uh, I a hundred percent agree with that.
I think for myself, there wasdefinitely bits and pieces of
Sabrina mm-hmm.
The nostalgic portion.
Mm-hmm.
But I, I feel like I related alot to Perth.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Just like the, the friendly guywho really wants to make all the
friends in the world.
Yes.
And just wants to be around.
Yes.
I guess much as I do talk aboutbeing nervous all the time or,
(17:18):
you know, but I do.
I'm just a, I don't know.
I wanna be around the peoplestill.
Yeah.
I just don't want to talk aboutmyself at the same time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I did, I related a lot, Ithink with Perth.
Um, a little bit of Sabrina andthen most absolutely.
Harriett,
Carrie (17:34):
Harriet, and Cleo was, is the complete polar opposite
of me.
Um, because she's just that likesuper laid back, doesn't care if
she's like mm-hmm.
She doesn't care if like, shedoesn't get fomo.
She's like, whatever.
Yeah, no.
Kristine (17:48):
Yeah, I
Carrie (17:49):
would say that I, I'm not go with the flow.
I'm not like laid back.
Whatever happens, happens.
Kind of gal.
Same.
I also don't like missing out onthings.
Yeah.
Like, no, same, I would say I, Ialso could never be the sober
one in my group of drunk friendsover and over again, have
absolutely
Kristine (18:04):
not.
Nope.
Absolutely.
Could you imagine being sober onFriday?
No.
Carrie (18:08):
No, no, no, no, no.
So, yeah.
I, I would've had to have beenunder the influence of something
relatable.
Okay.
If you were, this is, thisquestion's kind of dumb, but I'm
gonna ask anyways.
If you were to take an annualtrip to the same place, where
would you go and who would yougo with?
Kristine (18:28):
Okay.
I would go to Maui and I wouldgo with, um, my friends Nick and
Carrie.
Yeah.
Uh, I would also go to Bang.
Yeah.
With Nick and Carrie and youknow, might as well throw some
Disneyland in there too.
Carrie (18:41):
Yeah.
Okay.
So we do do this.
Um, we are those people, butthere's only four of us.
Well, I guess there's six of uswith the kids, but there's only
four adults.
Yeah.
And we do take annual trips.
Yeah.
And I do love them.
Me too.
Kristine (18:52):
I would never stop.
No.
And I like that we have a rhythmwith it, you know?
Yeah.
Like we very much incorporatefamily time.
Mm-hmm.
Even though we're all together.
Yeah.
Um, and I love that we overlapor have been overlapping
Disneyland.
Yeah.
So like that's really nice.
Um, and then, And like, I don'tknow.
(19:16):
I think it's great the
Carrie (19:17):
way we do it.
And then Vegas we're just likeattached at the hip attached.
Kristine (19:20):
Very much attached at the hip.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But like, like you said earlier,if you guys wanted to go do
something different Yeah.
We wouldn't be offended.
No.
'cause we'll just go dosomething different that we
enjoy.
But we probably wouldn't dothat.
No, probably not.
No.
Especially like in Vegas.
Probably not, but, but it's nicethat there's a Disneyland.
Like if you guys are like, wellwe're gonna do this one family
time.
Yeah.
Finally trip this time, like,
Carrie (19:40):
cool.
And like we're, I'm not someonewho's scared to say that either.
Yeah.
Be like, nah, nah.
Kristine (19:47):
I love that we're bringing Na back.
No, yeah,
Carrie (19:49):
me too.
It's the best.
Um, okay.
So much of Harriet's journey isabout deciding whether to let go
of a dream that no longerexcites her, despite all the
time and energy she had alreadyinvested in it.
Was there ever a time in yourlife when you had to make a
decision like this?
Did you make the same choiceHarriet did or did you decide to
see it through?
Kristine (20:10):
That's tough one.
Yeah.
Carrie (20:12):
So I'll, I'll start, go for it.
And then you can think.
So for me, I went through sixyears of school.
Yeah.
Because I wanted to be anaccountant and I wanted to work
in accounting.
Yeah.
Obviously I don't do that.
Um, I was, I had worked for thesame company for probably like
six years and it did not exciteme at all.
(20:34):
But I felt bad.
Not just the time, the energy,but like, The insane amount of
money my parents spent to put methrough school.
And I was like, no, no.
Like I just didn't, I love partsof accounting, but I did not
want it to be my career for therest of my life.
(20:56):
And I felt very stuck because Ihad spent six years going to
school.
Mm-hmm.
And I had spent six years at ajob like working my way.
Up, I guess.
Yeah.
And then I didn't like it.
That's fair.
And I, I mean, obviously goingto medical school and being a
doctor is a lot more intense.
(21:17):
I can't say that it's the samelevel.
Yeah.
But same, same concept.
A hundred percent.
It was.
Yeah.
So did you make the same choice?
She did.
Yep.
Did you decide to see itthrough?
I, I did not.
I do not account anymore.
I do not do that.
Fair.
And yeah.
And I can't say that that was awaste because I have a lot of
(21:38):
knowledge that I'm able to bringinto.
I was owning a business, wasgonna say, yeah, definitely
wasn't a waste.
I don't think any education is awaste.
Um, the whole time I was readingthe book, I was like, why don't
you like, you don't likesurgery?
Why don't you like, Become alike a family doctor, open a
little family doctor's office inthe small town or something.
Yeah, maybe she does.
Maybe in my mind, that would bewhat I would do.
(21:59):
Totally.
Something that you know, isless, have a little bit, yeah.
Is more like nine to fivedoctoring versus all our, I
couldn't do that.
I.
Yeah.
All hours of the night.
No, that was, yeah,
Kristine (22:09):
that's a little crazy.
But like, and the people who dolove it.
Mm-hmm.
And stick that out.
Carrie (22:15):
Like stick for you.
Yeah.
'cause that's, that's intense.
No, I, I just, I think it wouldbe like, Being a surgeon or that
level of anything.
I am, I'm one of those peoplethat I really appreciate my free
time.
Mm-hmm.
And I really, I just don'tbelieve in working yourself so
hard that you don't get to enjoywhat you do.
Like, enjoy the money you makeor enjoy the life you create.
(22:39):
So I couldn't imagine missingout on so much time with my
friends and family.
Yeah.
Because I was always at thehospital
Kristine (22:45):
and she was trying to, she was, she was trying to do
this job.
To prove to her parents that shewas.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
So like I totally understoodwhen she said like, I don't
wanna do this.
Mm-hmm.
Like, this is not, I'm doing itfor you and that's the wrong
reason.
Yeah.
I need to do something formyself when she's, so when she
said that, like out loud Yeah.
(23:06):
I was like, standing ovationgirlfriend.
That's so big to recognize.
Yeah.
I don't know for myself, so Ihave no idea.
I, I did go to school and Ijust, and I said, nah.
And I mean, that was a big wasteof money.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, also, uh, can't really usethat education for anything.
(23:28):
Right.
So, I don't know.
I, that's probably one thing.
Mm-hmm.
But I don't know.
Not to
Carrie (23:36):
that level.
Not to that level.
That's fair.
That's a big, that's a big,
Kristine (23:40):
yeah, that's a big one.
It's a big one.
Yeah.
Very big.
Carrie (23:44):
Do you have a happy place?
Is it an actual happy place andexperience a person?
Has it remained the same overthe years or does it change?
That's a really good
Kristine (23:52):
question.
That is a good question.
Um, so I have two.
Yeah.
Um, happy place.
Maybe three.
Um, I love being in Maui justmakes me feel very relaxed and
like calm.
Mm-hmm.
Um, when I was a kid, wheneversomething was, um, some, if we
(24:14):
were going through something, Iwould always remember when I saw
it.
The Lion King in, in the movietheater and like that was a
happy moment for me.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I will, and like I stillwill sometimes go back to that.
Like I can see it being in thetheater with my family and it
was a very happy mm-hmm.
Moment.
Mm-hmm.
And so like, if I have a hardtime, I'll just try to like
(24:37):
think of that.
Yeah.
And it really truly does calm medown.
So happy memory.
That's one of'em.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and but happy place, I wouldsay Maui and Disneyland is,
yeah.
The two places that really likemm-hmm.
Bring me so much joy.
Mm-hmm.
And Vegas too.
But it's just, I'm mean, it'sdifferent state of mind.
Yeah.
It's a different kind of happyplace, different
Carrie (24:55):
kind of happy, yeah.
Yeah, mine's definitely Maui.
Yeah.
For lots of reasons.
Yeah.
Um, one because you grew upthere.
Yeah.
It, so you talk about happymemories.
All of my happiest memories ofare there, of being a child, are
there mm-hmm.
Young adult.
They're adult.
Adult there.
Yeah.
(25:15):
Like all of my memories arethere.
Um, When I was younger, so thefirst time I went to Maui, I was
18 months old and we went withmy grandparents and my mom and
dad.
And so all of my trips in myyouth were with my parents.
And then my grandparents came alot as well.
So I have lots of reallyimportant memories with them.
Mm-hmm.
(25:35):
Um,'cause they're no longeraround.
So those are big ones and like,The beach that we go to still to
this day is the beach where Iused to go with my grandparents.
Yeah.
Um, there was this huge rock atthe end of the beach.
It's gone now.
Um, the water kind of took itaway eventually, but my grandma,
I, I like, can still envisionher laying on it and sun
(25:57):
tanning.
Oh, that's cute.
Like, love that.
I can still think about it.
Yeah.
And it's at the far, it was atthe far end of the beach.
It's gone.
It was a huge lava rock, but,um, Eventually the water, just
like the tide took it away.
It was just crazy.
It was gone.
But yeah, so Maui for me is oneof, definitely one of my happy
place.
Mm-hmm.
It is my happy place because itjust like, I can, if I close my
(26:18):
eyes and I think hard enough, Ican smell it.
Yeah, totally.
And you know, it's just, I'vebeen there with all my favorite
people mm-hmm.
In my life.
Yeah.
Like I, you know, I went when Ilike with my grandparents and my
aunt and uncle went with us onceand my parents went with us and,
um, Like my ex-boyfriend camewith us once.
Yeah.
Like we went on, he came on acouple trips with my family and
(26:40):
Nick and I, like we startedgoing there when we kind of,
right after we first starteddating and we spent a month
there after I graduated fromuniversity, before I started my
job.
And that was my favorite trip Ithink.
Oh, that's nice.
And you know, you guys have comewith us and my in-laws have been
there, so like, All my favoritepeople.
Yeah.
And like Brooke's been goingthere since she was two months
(27:01):
old.
Yeah.
So that's my happy place.
Yeah, absolutely.
Also, my happy place is anywherewhere Nick is.
Oh, that's nice.
He's my, that's, he's likeromantic and it's not really
NICE's, it's not like theromance side.
He just, he's like, he's like myanchors.
He's my anchor Totally.
For like everything.
Yeah.
Like if he's not around, I feelvery like, you know.
Kristine (27:23):
Aw.
That was really sweet.
It was really
Carrie (27:26):
sweet.
Yeah.
Like he just, he's, he's myperson that makes me like, feel
grounded.
Grounded.
Yeah.
Totally.
Like if there's anything that'slike hectic in my life, I can
always count on him.
'cause he's very unbothered bymost things.
Kristine (27:39):
He can bring you down.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's really nice.
Mm-hmm.
I, I, I get that a hundredpercent.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
That was really nice.
Oh, thanks.
But it is, like you said, noteven the romantic part, but it
is.
Yeah.
'cause like there's been somany.
Date nights.
Yeah.
And like so many things thathave happened out there with the
two of you.
Yeah.
Even that I've witnessed Yeah.
(28:00):
Like being out there with youguys and it is like a very
romantic place that mm-hmm.
You know?
Yeah.
Even our sunset, um, dates Yeah.
That we have with our family.
Yeah.
When we go and see it is like,yeah.
It's a very special place.
So special.
So like, I totally, so special.
I get it.
Ugh.
I love it there.
Yeah.
Mm.
That was a good
Carrie (28:20):
question.
Very, very good.
It was a good one.
That one really brought out thefeelers.
It really
Kristine (28:24):
did.
It really did.
Carrie (28:27):
So at the beginning of the book, Harriett is really
living for the weekend, so tospeak.
So, um, She's spending all ofher work times like waiting for
her happy times, I guess.
Mm-hmm.
So do you ever experience thatand what are some ways you find
joy and purpose in yourday-to-day life when things are
crazy?
I, I
Kristine (28:47):
think that's probably true for most people.
Agreed.
Because life is just reallyhectic for everybody.
And I find that is, it's notlike how it used to be.
Everybody is rushing.
Mm-hmm.
And everybody is like justmm-hmm.
Really pushing to get to thatYes.
End line of the week.
Yes.
Um, So yes, I think I absolutelyexperience it pretty much every
(29:09):
week, but like, just'cause lifeis crazy and we do so much.
Yeah.
And like we work a lot and we'vegot busy lives outside of it.
So Yes.
For myself.
Yes.
Um, and then, what was thesecond part of
Carrie (29:22):
the question?
What are some ways you find joyand purpose in your day-to-day
life, day-to-day, day.
Hmm.
What, what is that?
What is joy?
Kristine (29:32):
Well, um, a really big one, especially with working,
um, our insiders group gives melike, So much more purpose.
Yes.
Um, because there's so muchpositive feedback mm-hmm.
From people, uh, feelingpositive about themself.
Um, and they say like, you know,they feel great in an outfit,
(29:55):
and it's like, holy crap.
Like, yes, they got that fromus, like we gave, gave them that
joy and that feels really good.
Um, and then just for myself, Ineed to remember that I am here
for a purpose.
Mm-hmm.
Am doing something good.
Um, I'm gonna see and I'll cry.
That's fine.
(30:15):
I, so I'm doing something good.
Um, and that, that I wentthrough so much crap in my life
that I act like now I'm here.
And it, it feels really good tokind of show that off.
Yeah.
Um, to people who, to my facetold me that I wasn't going to
go very far.
Yeah.
So just being here gives me joyand purpose.
(30:36):
Joy.
Yeah.
Um, and then, I mean, the thingsI do on the side for myself,
like running feels reallyfreaking good
Carrie (30:43):
Yeah.
So there's
Kristine (30:45):
that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's And my family.
Yeah,
Carrie (30:49):
for sure.
Push is like the push.
Yeah, for sure.
Mm-hmm.
I find it really interesting,um, the like shift in mindset.
Mm-hmm.
Pre and post covid.
Yeah.
Um, before it was so normal tolike run yourself to a ragged
point where you were like, I.
(31:11):
Crazy.
And then we had, we were kind offorced to take an interesting
step back for a year or sixmonths, and you kind of had that
chance to evaluate what wasactually important and what was
actually like valid.
Mm-hmm.
And then now sometimes when Ifind myself getting like really
(31:31):
burnt out or working too much,I'm like, Why, why are we doing
this?
Yeah.
Like what is the reason?
Take a step back.
Like it doesn't have to be likethis.
And I know sometimes my mom willbe having a conversation.
She's like, well, when your dadand I were running our business,
sometimes I'm like, it is not1989 anymore.
Yeah.
Like, like I am not going towork my entire life to not enjoy
(31:53):
my life outside of work.
Totally like.
If I am going to work thisfucking hard from nine to five
every day and then and thensome.
I am absolutely going to enjoymy free time.
And we
Kristine (32:07):
are really young.
Yes, we're really young.
I said that the other day and wehave this amazing thing going
for us.
So to not enjoy that time.
Mm-hmm.
Being young while running ourbusiness Yes.
Would be such a waste.
Carrie (32:23):
Yes.
Kristine (32:25):
We gotta celebrate it.
Yeah.
And celebrate us for beingyoung.
Mm-hmm.
And mm-hmm.
Full of life still.
Yeah.
I have, and I mean, like, wewill be full of life when I,
when we're 60, 70.
Of course.
Of course.
Because I know that we'd beparty rocking.
We will be when we
Carrie (32:39):
are that age.
Yeah.
Especially with the No dyingpact.
Kristine (32:42):
Well, yes.
Yeah.
Naturally.
Um, so being young and havingthat this time and recognizing
this, I think is a really coolcool it thing that we've got
going on's.
Carrie (32:54):
It is.
I just think it's so important.
Mm-hmm.
And I've had people be like,God, you travel a lot, Uhhuh.
Yeah.
That brings me the utmost joy.
Yeah.
Because it would be completecraziness for us to work as much
as we do to like not have timeto travel.
Yeah.
Like, no,
Kristine (33:12):
no, it's no,
Carrie (33:13):
it's an no for me.
It's a no for me.
Yeah.
So that's why I really relatedto that part of her where she
was just like so burnt out andand stopped.
Mm-hmm.
Because she didn't even have anopportunity to enjoy anything
she was accomplishing.
Exactly.
She was literally justaccomplishing it to
Kristine (33:29):
accomplish it.
She kind of turned into a robot.
Yeah.
'cause she was just doingAbsolutely.
She was just going withemotions, doing the job.
And she
Carrie (33:35):
hated it.
She hated it.
And she was scared to tellanyone she hated it.
And that sucks.
Especially like, You know, shedidn't even wanna tell her best
friends or her or her fianceefiance.
Yeah.
But she hated it because she wasso worried, what everyone was
gonna think about it and likemm-hmm.
Yeah, it's tough.
She had such a cool, cool growththroughout the book and really
(33:55):
like really good revelation.
Agreed.
Yeah.
Kristine (34:00):
I love this book.
It was so
Carrie (34:01):
good.
I could reread it.
Yeah, it was good.
It was really good.
Yeah.
Really cute.
Very happy.
Very happy with the way it went.
So we wanna know what you guysthought of the book.
Um, please write us onInstagram.
We, now that we've talked aboutthese questions, we are gonna
post them.
Yes.
So you have a chance to write tous.
We probably won't put thequestion box'cause it doesn't
give you guys enough.
(34:22):
Space to write the reply, butyou can always write a message
at the bottom.
Yep.
And then we'll be sharing someof the responses on our stories
as well.
Mm-hmm.
Going forward.
So,
Kristine (34:31):
and if there's anything that you wanna stay
anonymous to let us know Yes.
In your message, because we'rehappy to just crop out your
name.
Yeah.
We'll, we'll just
Carrie (34:37):
crop out your name and then just put the
Kristine (34:39):
message.
Yeah.
Because there were some, therewere some hot questions in
there.
Yeah.
Whew.
Yeah, it was really good.
Well, we loved it.
We, we did.
We're excited
Carrie (34:47):
for the next book.
Five Outta Five for that one.
Yeah, absolutely.
Five out of five Babe Stars.
Oh, babe
Kristine (34:54):
Stars.
Yeah.
Let's keep that a thing.
Yeah.
Good job.
Oh, where's the button?
Oh, shit.
Carrie (35:04):
Oh, did I first try?
Woo.
Ah, wow.
Killed it with that first book.
Kristine (35:10):
Pee Me.
Carrie (35:13):
Yeah.
Um, so Christine is the, thepicker Picker for book number
two.
Yeah.
For the September book.
So she is going to let you guysknow what that is.
Um, I found it on Kindle andCobo.
I also found you can order it onIndigo if you want a paper copy.
Also, most libraries have a,like a hard copy of the books.
(35:36):
Um, I was actually able to takethe ebook out from the library
already because it's Oh good.
If there was no wait, so that'sreally nice too.
Um, for sure.
Strathcona County Library had acouple copies you could take out
and we only have one of them.
Christine and I share it.
Yeah,
Kristine (35:50):
yeah, we sure do.
Okay, so the next book is ThePerfect Marriage by Geneva Rose.
Geneva.
Geneva.
So Sarah Morgan is, is asuccessful and powerful defense
attorney in Washington DC as anamed partner at her firm.
Life is going exactly how sheplanned.
The same cannot be said for herhusband, Adam.
he's a struggling writer who hashad little success in his career
(36:13):
and he tires of his and Sarah'srelationship as she is
constantly working.
Out in the secluded woods at theCouple's Lakehouse, Adam engages
in a passionate affair withKelly Summers.
But one morning, everythingchanges.
Kelly is found brutally stabbedto death.
And now Sarah must take on herhardest case yet defending her
own husband, a man accused ofmurdering his mistress.
(36:35):
Uh, the perfect marriage is thejuicy twisting, utterly
addictive thriller that willkeep you turning pages.
You won't see the ending coming,guaranteed.
Can't wait.
I'm really excited.
Sounds so
Carrie (36:45):
good.
Sounds so good.
I love thrillers as everybodyknows, so I was excited that
Christine picked one.
Yeah, I'm really jacked up forit.
Kristine (36:52):
So complete flip flip from, uh, this book.
Carrie (36:55):
Yes.
Which is fun.
'cause we, we need to mix it up,you know?
Mm-hmm.
Um, so this book is obviouslyour September book.
The September book club episodewill be September 24th, because
it's always the last Sunday ofthe month.
So September 24th will be thenext episode.
I'll be there.
I will too.
Perfect.
Okay.
You
Kristine (37:14):
guys, it'd be really shitty, but I was talking about
this book by myself.
Right.
Just you I'll bring thecardboard cut out.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
I'll make it, talk to me.
Okay.
So that, that's our episode fortoday.
I hope you guys enjoyed it.
I hope you guys enjoyed the bookand make sure you, uh, drop your
responses from the questions.
And, uh, bye.
Boom.
(37:34):
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Carrie (37:36):
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Woo-hoo.
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Oh, hey, it's Carrie and Christine.
Oh.
Welcome
Carrie (00:11):
to two Babes Book Club.
episode one of the two BabesBook Club
Kristine (00:16):
is here.
Wow.
Well, we, yeah, a long timecoming.
Carrie (00:20):
It has been.
Kristine (00:20):
This is fun.
It is fun.
So we read our first book andwe're so excited to just dive
Carrie (00:25):
right in.
We are.
So we read The Happy Place byEmily Henry, if you haven't read
it or you don't want spoilers,do not continue this episode.
Come back when you read it.
Um, if you have read it,welcome.
If you haven't read it and youdon't plan to, but you wanna
listen to us talk.
Welcome.
Yeah, we're so excited.
We are so excited.
This book was really enjoyablefor me, so I'm super excited to,
(00:50):
um, talk about it.
Kristine (00:51):
Same here.
I really enjoyed it, so Iactually just finished it
yesterday.
That's so great.
So it's like fresh in my mind,
Carrie (00:57):
which is really nice.
Which is kind of nice.
I, I mean, I've finished it aweek ago, so I'm not that far
out.
Yeah.
But far enough out that, um, Ihad to do a little quick recap
for myself of some names.
So, The Happy place is about acouple Harriett and Wynn, and
they were the perfect coupletogether and they broke up and
(01:17):
decided not to tell their friendgroup.
Mm-hmm.
And then, um, they went on anannual trip with this friend
group of theirs.
Six different, there's six ofthem total in Maine.
They go to A cottage and it'sthe last time they get to go to
this cottage'cause it's beingsold.
So they, they feel obligated togo to this, um, on this trip and
pretend they're a couple so thatthey can maintain this lake.
(01:40):
Happy facade for everybody.
Yes.
Yeah, that's right.
And one of the couples isactually getting married, um, on
this weekend, which is anotherreason why they're there.
So they felt even more obligatedto keep up the, the ruse, if you
will.
It was so good.
It was so good.
I loved every bit of it.
Me too.
I loved it.
Me too.
(02:00):
So, um, I think this was yourfirst Emily Henry book?
Yes.
Okay.
I've read a couple, I alwaysenjoy her books.
I find them very like, they,they make you warm and fuzzy.
Kristine (02:10):
Yeah.
when Carrie and I were talkingabout it the other day, I said
it was like a warm hug.
I felt just happy the entiretime and.
I was just content with it.
It gave me like happy vibes andwant them to have a good life
vibes.
Mm-hmm.
And I was very invested.
Carrie (02:29):
Me too, in their lives.
I
Kristine (02:31):
loved all the characters too.
Every single one of them, I feltlike I was, um, friends with
them.
Mm-hmm.
And I had to like remind myselfthat.
It's like book
Carrie (02:39):
characters.
She did such a good job.
Such a good job.
Yeah.
So if you haven't read any ofother, any other of Emily
Henry's books, I very muchrecommend it because they're all
kind of, um, they all kind ofhave that feel good.
Mm-hmm.
Vibe, vibe to them.
Good.
I that's fluffy.
I call them like beach reads.
Yeah, fair enough.
One of her books actually iscalled Bee Read.
(02:59):
Oh, I like that.
I think that's what it's called.
Bee Read.
Yeah, I think so.
Okay.
Kristine (03:03):
you have a list of questions?
I
Carrie (03:04):
do, yeah.
The publisher questions.
Why don't we dive right intothat?
Let's start.
Okay.
Before the events of the book,Harriet and Wind's friend group
has had a pretty seamlessexperience traveling together.
What would you look for in anideal travel partner and have
you ever taken a trip that putyour relationship to the test?
I
Kristine (03:22):
don't, I don't think I've ever taken it.
Trip where it put relationshipon me either to test me.
I mean, Jay's gets reallystressed out in security, so
sometimes I wanna like punchhim, but yeah, I don't, yeah.
Um, but no, which is so funny.
He gets really overwhelmed.
It gets a little stressed out atsecurity, but no, I, I don't
think so.
(03:42):
But what I look for in a travelbuddy, it's you.
Yeah.
Um, we've always traveled reallywell.
You and I just like know.
We can go through the motions oflike airport really well.
Mm-hmm.
We're.
Um, we're going on a, a roadtrip soon and I know that that's
just gonna be just as seamless.
Yeah.
Or I anticipate it to just bejust as seamless.
We would hope, um, because weuh, well obviously we get along
(04:06):
very well.
Yeah.
And we have a lot ofsimilarities and Yeah.
Both relaxed and just chill.
And I think that's kind of whatI look for, I
Carrie (04:13):
guess.
Yeah, me too.
What about you?
So.
I mean, I agree with everythingyou said, with you and I
traveling together.
Mm-hmm.
But we also travel togetherreally well, like as couples.
Yes.
And I think one of the keys withhow we travel is we like doing
the same things, but we alsodon't need each other.
Mm-hmm.
To hold each other's hands.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like we can go, yeah.
(04:34):
If you guys feel like doingsomething and we don't, it's
like, okay.
Kristine (04:38):
Yeah.
That's cool.
That's lovely.
Yeah.
And that has happened and wewe're totally okay with it.
Carrie (04:43):
Yeah.
So I look for someone that is,doesn't need handholding,
because I don't wanna have to goon a trip and feel obligated to
like, Have an itinerary thewhole time to make sure that the
people I'm with are entertained.
Yeah.
I don't like that.
Like I would hope you, you cankeep yourself entertained.
I don't like that either,because that just stresses me
out and puts pressure on me.
Same.
And I don't want that.
Kristine (05:03):
Yeah.
I don't like, I don't want tohave to check in on you to make
sure that you're having a good
Carrie (05:08):
time.
No.
Like you should be able to makeyour own fun.
We're just here together to betogether.
Kristine (05:12):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
Agreed.
Carrie (05:15):
Okay.
Have you had a closerelationship that spanned
different phases of your lifeand how, if at all, did those
relationships change with time?
That's,
Kristine (05:26):
yeah.
I mean,'cause we've been friendsfor forever, so Yeah.
I a hundred percent agree.
We've, things have changed overtime.
I mean, we've gone through beingsingle together.
We've gone through.
Other previous relationshipstogether.
We've also gone through gettingmarried and having children and
like mm-hmm.
And then working together andowning a business together.
(05:48):
So we've gone through so manydifferent phases of life phases
and I, there's definitely beenchanges.
I think for the better.
I mean, sometimes I wish I likenot, I wish.
Mm-hmm.
But like sometimes, you know,when you think like you could go
in the past and live your lifeas a 20 something year old, you
know?
Mm-hmm.
But I wouldn't
Carrie (06:08):
change it.
No, me either.
No.
So, yeah.
And I've had friendships thathave ended during phases of my
life too.
Totally.
A hundred percent.
Especially when I had kids, Ifound that's when the most, most
of my old relationships fizzledaway.
Yes.
And some of them picked back upagain when my friends had kids.
Isn't that weird how that thathappens?
(06:28):
Yeah.
And some of them didn't.
Little bizarre.
And that's okay.
Totally.
I think that's okay.
Nick and I definitely lost quitea few friends that we spent a
lot of time with once we hadkids, which is interesting.
It's
Kristine (06:38):
weird why It's weird how that happens.
Yeah.
And I don't really understandwhy, like I know there's, your
focus is obviously on yourfamily now.
Mm-hmm.
So it's a little bit different,but.
It suck.
It does suck sometimes.
Yeah,
Carrie (06:51):
it does.
And that's kind of what I lovedin this book.
Mm-hmm.
Is they were all at differentphases of their life, obviously.
Yeah.
And they kind of all came to therealization.
I liked the realization thatYeah, not everything has to stay
the same.
Yes.
You know, same.
They kind of went through thatprogression.
Yeah.
Where Sabrina wanted so badly tohold on, to hold on to things
(07:13):
staying the same when everyoneelse was changing and growing.
Yeah.
And it kind of causes.
You to grow apart if you don'tembrace the changes.
Kristine (07:21):
Right.
And yeah, embrace it, accept it,grow with it.
Yeah.
Like you, you, then it justforces you to fall apart.
Yes.
But if you accept it and beproud of that change
Carrie (07:34):
that's coming.
Yeah.
And I understand nostalgia too,and I love totally love.
There's some things that I likeI'm totally nostalgic about and
I'm totally getting into aroutine.
But you also have to rememberlike they did, if things are
changing, you just have to rollwith it.
Absolutely.
They had, they did the same likesix things that they've done
every other trip, and everyone'slike, why are we doing this?
Yes.
(07:55):
Like when they went to themovie.
Oh,
Kristine (07:56):
yeah.
And Cleo.
And she was like, I don't wannago.
Like, yeah, we've been doingthis over and over again.
Yeah.
Like, I don't wanna spend mylast week at the cottage in a MO
in movie theater for four hoursand I'm not actually gonna talk
to you.
Yep.
And I totally a hundred percentunderstood that and actually was
very much on her side
Carrie (08:14):
for that.
Me too.
That part I, it's one of thereasons why.
I am not someone who opts to domovie dates.
Yeah, fair enough.
Because I love watching a movie,don't get me wrong.
I just, I hate that in a movietheater, you lose two hours of
like spending time with someone.
Yeah.
Because I don't find sitting andwatching a movie the same as
(08:35):
like spending quality time.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
You're sitting next to eachother.
Yeah.
So I always opt to do likedinner or coffee or whatever.
Yeah.
Or if I'm gonna watch a movie.
I like watching at home because,Yeah, you can take those moments
Kristine (08:45):
totally.
I like, I do like going to themovies and mm-hmm.
Whatever.
And, um, having that, that datenight also, but it has to be
something that we're very muchinto.
Yeah, that's fair.
At that moment.
Mm-hmm.
Because of the conversation thatit brings later.
Yeah.
Um, however, I'm not a person tospend four hours in the theater.
God no.
(09:06):
So, I was, when that was goingon.
I was like, and uh, Cleo did notwant to, yeah.
I said, no, like, I'm with yougirlfriend.
Get outta there.
And I hated that they all went,ended up going and
Carrie (09:18):
they just went anyways, even though none of them wanted
to go.
Yeah.
And I
Kristine (09:21):
hated that'cause I, somebody just needs to stand up
and say,
Carrie (09:27):
Hey.
Nah,
Kristine (09:29):
nah.
Yeah.
Nah, I don't wanna do
Carrie (09:31):
it.
Nah.
Um, I have a question.
Did anyone else know that Cleowas pregnant?
Pretty much the whole book.
Kristine (09:38):
I had no fucking clue.
I knew a viol to swear on thispodcast.
Yeah.
Carrie (09:42):
Oh yeah.
Still two babes.
Okay.
You're just making sure.
Still two babes.
Just'cause we're, we think we'refucking fancy and literary
doesn't mean we can't swear.
Kristine (09:52):
Good taste.
No, I, I absolutely had no clue.
Yeah.
I really thought they were justinvested in the farm and that
they were busy and they keptsaying how, like, they were
waking up super early and theywere in bed at nine o'clock and
blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, Sabrina, like,piss off here.
Mm-hmm.
Give them some time.
They just like, they're.
(10:14):
In deep in this farm.
Farming is hard.
Not that I've ever had anexperience in that.
Yeah.
But farming is hard.
Give them some grace and whenthe time comes, you can come
visit.
I was really irritated with herwhen she was getting a little
sour.
Yeah.
With the two girls.
I was like, just fucking relaxgirl.
Just chill.
Just chill.
(10:34):
And then boom.
Pregnancy alert?
Yes.
I
Carrie (10:37):
had no idea.
Yeah.
So I kind of had an inkling.
I mean, they talked about howshe didn't drink, but she had
stopped drinking a like quite awhile before that.
Yeah.
So I was like, okay.
But then she didn't wannapartake in the edibles.
Mm-hmm.
And then she was very againstthe tattoo.
Yes.
And it just every time I waslike, mm-hmm.
Yeah, no, she's pregnant idea.
(10:57):
Either thought she's ideapregnant or really sick.
But I assumed pregnancy.
I didn't think we were going tosome like dark place.
Yeah.
Kristine (11:04):
Yeah.
I had no idea.
I was
Carrie (11:06):
really surprised.
And I think the, the only reasonthat I think Sabrina's, the fact
that she was so upset, allstemmed from the fact that she
knew the entire time that theyweren't together.
Yeah, definitely.
So I think she had a lot offrustration.
Oh, definitely.
Because her best friends weren'ttelling her the truth.
Right.
The whole time.
The whole time in she, but likethey all knew the whole, like
(11:27):
they all had secrets the wholetime.
Yeah.
All six of them.
And like
Kristine (11:31):
as people do in of course, right.
Like it.
That happens.
But Sabrina just was notaccepting.
No.
She did not wanna accept that.
No, no.
That she wasn't part of it all.
She wants to know.
She was
Carrie (11:43):
so cute when she did find out.
Oh yes.
Very sweet.
So I'll give it to her.
Yes.
But yeah.
Yeah.
She
Kristine (11:49):
really wanted to stay in the nostalgic Yeah.
Phase
Carrie (11:53):
of her life.
And I get it because Totally.
It, it probably, I mean, it wasdefinitely a part of their life
where she probably.
Enjoyed, like, had so much funand mm-hmm.
Wasn't sure what the next phasewas gonna bring.
So she was holding on so tight,but like, girl.
Yeah.
'cause it can
Kristine (12:09):
be, it's scary growing, not just growing up,
but just growing as a person.
Yeah.
Sometimes it can be really scaryand she wanted to hold on what
she was comfortable with.
Mm-hmm.
And so I totally get it.
I did relate with that for sure.
Yes, me too.
Um, I, and I did feel.
Not bad for her, but I felt, Ifelt for her.
Mm-hmm.
Wanting to stay in that phase.
(12:32):
However, I was
Carrie (12:33):
like, but that's the, that's the thing I find most is
if you actually have a genuinefriend mm-hmm.
They'll, like, they're gonnaembrace your changes as they
totally come.
It's not gonna push you apart.
No.
The, the, the, the lying in thesteaming wheel though.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, this is actually a goodquestion.
(12:54):
Do you tend to avoid conflict orface it head on?
Has this changed over time?
If so, why?
Kristine (12:59):
I like to avoid everything.
I absolutely, related toHarriett Yes.
In so many ways.
Yes.
Um, because she doesn't like totalk about her feelings.
Um, and that's one of thehardest things for me.
And I absolutely 110% try toavoid conflict as much as
(13:21):
possible.
So I end up swallowing thingsand it's just mm-hmm.
Then, and then it feels likeit's too far gone and then
bringing it back up is like theworst thing in the world because
then.
You know, it's like a lie.
Not like not.
Mm-hmm.
It's not a lie, but that's howlies go, right?
Yes.
Like the longer you lie, theworse it is.
Right?
Exactly.
So I feel like once you swallowyour feelings and how you
(13:44):
actually feel, it's harder tobring up and it's just Yeah.
Even
Carrie (13:48):
harder to fix.
The worst part for me is'causethat can completely relate is
it's one of those things thatsits like a weight on your
shoulders forever.
Yeah.
And then once you finally dodeal with it or do talk about
it, you're like, well, that
Kristine (14:01):
wasn't so bad.
Carrie (14:02):
Wow.
Yeah.
Like as if we couldn't have justlike had this conversation a
year ago Yeah.
Or whatever, six months ago.
And I didn't have to walk aroundthis with this like weight.
Yeah.
Dangling over me forever.
It's
Kristine (14:15):
um, we've recently had a conversation, we're setting a
boundary of.
Not discussing things thathappened maybe a week ago.
Yeah.
Or like 10 days ago because it'sbeen gone.
Yeah.
It's digestive.
Carrie (14:27):
cause we should have, we should deal with them head on
head when it happens.
Head on.
Exactly.
So has this changed over time?
No, but we're working on it.
Yes,
Kristine (14:35):
totally.
Yeah.
Because a hundred percent I,
Carrie (14:37):
I am totally one of those people.
I hate rehashing old shitbecause it's so far gone, but
like how easy is it to come out?
So easy?
So like you gotta deal with thatshit when it happens.
Yeah.
Because otherwise it's just likethis perpetual cycle of shit.
Kristine (14:51):
Yeah.
And then I'm a person likeHarriet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
'cause it just makes thingsworse.
Yeah.
And you do end up pushing peopleaway.
Yeah, totally.
So it I 100% related to Harrieton so
Carrie (15:04):
many different levels.
Oh God.
When everyone's like, why didn'tyou tell us?
Why did you avoid it?
Well,'cause if you don't talkabout it, it's not real.
Yeah, exactly.
A hundred percent.
If you don't talk about theissue, it didn't happen.
It didn't happen
Kristine (15:16):
totally
Carrie (15:16):
because it.
Soon as they would've talkedabout that breakup.
Mm-hmm.
Then they're broken up.
Yes.
But if you don't talk about it.
Kristine (15:23):
Yeah.
And I totally understand her andWyn and how they didn't want to
mess with their relationshipwith their other friends and
they were such a mm-hmm.
Close knit group that, um, Theydon't wanna hurt their other,
their friends.
Yeah.
So by not talking about it isjust mm-hmm.
You still had, you were stillable to hold onto that
(15:43):
relationship in every, witheverybody in every aspect.
Yeah.
Carrie (15:46):
cause everyone else thought you were still together.
Yep.
So your relationship hasn'tchanged with them.
Yep.
I spoke to
Kristine (15:51):
my soul.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I've never lied about a,or like No fabbed about a
relationship before.
No,
Carrie (15:58):
but I understood it.
I've never had anything that bigYeah.
That I just bottled up and keptto myself.
Yeah.
But, Things.
Kristine (16:06):
Yeah.
Wild times.
It is wild times.
It was, it was
Carrie (16:09):
a good book though.
Yeah.
I loved it.
Um, who, uh, well, we kind ofjust talked about this, but who
out of this friend group do youmost relate to and who do you
least relate to?
So, Harriet.
Kristine (16:19):
Yeah.
Harriet.
Carrie (16:20):
100%.
Yeah.
And a little, a little bit ofSabrina for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
I have my own Sabrina in me.
Fair enough.
A lot of the, like when she madeeverybody like the itinerary and
shit, I was like, love that.
I did love the itinerary.
Did you, did you make that anexcel?
Because it really brought mejoy.
Kristine (16:40):
Yeah.
That was really funny.
Yeah.
But I
Carrie (16:41):
do like it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and the, the want anddesire to hold onto to things
that you are nostalgic for.
Yeah, I get that too.
Yes, totally.
And like the routine of like,
Kristine (16:54):
I, uh, I a hundred percent agree with that.
I think for myself, there wasdefinitely bits and pieces of
Sabrina mm-hmm.
The nostalgic portion.
Mm-hmm.
But I, I feel like I related alot to Perth.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Just like the, the friendly guywho really wants to make all the
friends in the world.
Yes.
And just wants to be around.
Yes.
I guess much as I do talk aboutbeing nervous all the time or,
(17:18):
you know, but I do.
I'm just a, I don't know.
I wanna be around the peoplestill.
Yeah.
I just don't want to talk aboutmyself at the same time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I did, I related a lot, Ithink with Perth.
Um, a little bit of Sabrina andthen most absolutely.
Harriett,
Carrie (17:34):
Harriet, and Cleo was, is the complete polar opposite
of me.
Um, because she's just that likesuper laid back, doesn't care if
she's like mm-hmm.
She doesn't care if like, shedoesn't get fomo.
She's like, whatever.
Yeah, no.
Kristine (17:48):
Yeah, I
Carrie (17:49):
would say that I, I'm not go with the flow.
I'm not like laid back.
Whatever happens, happens.
Kind of gal.
Same.
I also don't like missing out onthings.
Yeah.
Like, no, same, I would say I, Ialso could never be the sober
one in my group of drunk friendsover and over again, have
absolutely
Kristine (18:04):
not.
Nope.
Absolutely.
Could you imagine being sober onFriday?
No.
Carrie (18:08):
No, no, no, no, no.
So, yeah.
I, I would've had to have beenunder the influence of something
relatable.
Okay.
If you were, this is, thisquestion's kind of dumb, but I'm
gonna ask anyways.
If you were to take an annualtrip to the same place, where
would you go and who would yougo with?
Kristine (18:28):
Okay.
I would go to Maui and I wouldgo with, um, my friends Nick and
Carrie.
Yeah.
Uh, I would also go to Bang.
Yeah.
With Nick and Carrie and youknow, might as well throw some
Disneyland in there too.
Carrie (18:41):
Yeah.
Okay.
So we do do this.
Um, we are those people, butthere's only four of us.
Well, I guess there's six of uswith the kids, but there's only
four adults.
Yeah.
And we do take annual trips.
Yeah.
And I do love them.
Me too.
Kristine (18:52):
I would never stop.
No.
And I like that we have a rhythmwith it, you know?
Yeah.
Like we very much incorporatefamily time.
Mm-hmm.
Even though we're all together.
Yeah.
Um, and I love that we overlapor have been overlapping
Disneyland.
Yeah.
So like that's really nice.
Um, and then, And like, I don'tknow.
(19:16):
I think it's great the
Carrie (19:17):
way we do it.
And then Vegas we're just likeattached at the hip attached.
Kristine (19:20):
Very much attached at the hip.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But like, like you said earlier,if you guys wanted to go do
something different Yeah.
We wouldn't be offended.
No.
'cause we'll just go dosomething different that we
enjoy.
But we probably wouldn't dothat.
No, probably not.
No.
Especially like in Vegas.
Probably not, but, but it's nicethat there's a Disneyland.
Like if you guys are like, wellwe're gonna do this one family
time.
Yeah.
Finally trip this time, like,
Carrie (19:40):
cool.
And like we're, I'm not someonewho's scared to say that either.
Yeah.
Be like, nah, nah.
Kristine (19:47):
I love that we're bringing Na back.
No, yeah,
Carrie (19:49):
me too.
It's the best.
Um, okay.
So much of Harriet's journey isabout deciding whether to let go
of a dream that no longerexcites her, despite all the
time and energy she had alreadyinvested in it.
Was there ever a time in yourlife when you had to make a
decision like this?
Did you make the same choiceHarriet did or did you decide to
see it through?
Kristine (20:10):
That's tough one.
Yeah.
Carrie (20:12):
So I'll, I'll start, go for it.
And then you can think.
So for me, I went through sixyears of school.
Yeah.
Because I wanted to be anaccountant and I wanted to work
in accounting.
Yeah.
Obviously I don't do that.
Um, I was, I had worked for thesame company for probably like
six years and it did not exciteme at all.
(20:34):
But I felt bad.
Not just the time, the energy,but like, The insane amount of
money my parents spent to put methrough school.
And I was like, no, no.
Like I just didn't, I love partsof accounting, but I did not
want it to be my career for therest of my life.
(20:56):
And I felt very stuck because Ihad spent six years going to
school.
Mm-hmm.
And I had spent six years at ajob like working my way.
Up, I guess.
Yeah.
And then I didn't like it.
That's fair.
And I, I mean, obviously goingto medical school and being a
doctor is a lot more intense.
(21:17):
I can't say that it's the samelevel.
Yeah.
But same, same concept.
A hundred percent.
It was.
Yeah.
So did you make the same choice?
She did.
Yep.
Did you decide to see itthrough?
I, I did not.
I do not account anymore.
I do not do that.
Fair.
And yeah.
And I can't say that that was awaste because I have a lot of
(21:38):
knowledge that I'm able to bringinto.
I was owning a business, wasgonna say, yeah, definitely
wasn't a waste.
I don't think any education is awaste.
Um, the whole time I was readingthe book, I was like, why don't
you like, you don't likesurgery?
Why don't you like, Become alike a family doctor, open a
little family doctor's office inthe small town or something.
Yeah, maybe she does.
Maybe in my mind, that would bewhat I would do.
(21:59):
Totally.
Something that you know, isless, have a little bit, yeah.
Is more like nine to fivedoctoring versus all our, I
couldn't do that.
I.
Yeah.
All hours of the night.
No, that was, yeah,
Kristine (22:09):
that's a little crazy.
But like, and the people who dolove it.
Mm-hmm.
And stick that out.
Carrie (22:15):
Like stick for you.
Yeah.
'cause that's, that's intense.
No, I, I just, I think it wouldbe like, Being a surgeon or that
level of anything.
I am, I'm one of those peoplethat I really appreciate my free
time.
Mm-hmm.
And I really, I just don'tbelieve in working yourself so
hard that you don't get to enjoywhat you do.
Like, enjoy the money you makeor enjoy the life you create.
(22:39):
So I couldn't imagine missingout on so much time with my
friends and family.
Yeah.
Because I was always at thehospital
Kristine (22:45):
and she was trying to, she was, she was trying to do
this job.
To prove to her parents that shewas.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
So like I totally understoodwhen she said like, I don't
wanna do this.
Mm-hmm.
Like, this is not, I'm doing itfor you and that's the wrong
reason.
Yeah.
I need to do something formyself when she's, so when she
said that, like out loud Yeah.
(23:06):
I was like, standing ovationgirlfriend.
That's so big to recognize.
Yeah.
I don't know for myself, so Ihave no idea.
I, I did go to school and Ijust, and I said, nah.
And I mean, that was a big wasteof money.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, also, uh, can't really usethat education for anything.
(23:28):
Right.
So, I don't know.
I, that's probably one thing.
Mm-hmm.
But I don't know.
Not to
Carrie (23:36):
that level.
Not to that level.
That's fair.
That's a big, that's a big,
Kristine (23:40):
yeah, that's a big one.
It's a big one.
Yeah.
Very big.
Carrie (23:44):
Do you have a happy place?
Is it an actual happy place andexperience a person?
Has it remained the same overthe years or does it change?
That's a really good
Kristine (23:52):
question.
That is a good question.
Um, so I have two.
Yeah.
Um, happy place.
Maybe three.
Um, I love being in Maui justmakes me feel very relaxed and
like calm.
Mm-hmm.
Um, when I was a kid, wheneversomething was, um, some, if we
(24:14):
were going through something, Iwould always remember when I saw
it.
The Lion King in, in the movietheater and like that was a
happy moment for me.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I will, and like I stillwill sometimes go back to that.
Like I can see it being in thetheater with my family and it
was a very happy mm-hmm.
Moment.
Mm-hmm.
And so like, if I have a hardtime, I'll just try to like
(24:37):
think of that.
Yeah.
And it really truly does calm medown.
So happy memory.
That's one of'em.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and but happy place, I wouldsay Maui and Disneyland is,
yeah.
The two places that really likemm-hmm.
Bring me so much joy.
Mm-hmm.
And Vegas too.
But it's just, I'm mean, it'sdifferent state of mind.
Yeah.
It's a different kind of happyplace, different
Carrie (24:55):
kind of happy, yeah.
Yeah, mine's definitely Maui.
Yeah.
For lots of reasons.
Yeah.
Um, one because you grew upthere.
Yeah.
It, so you talk about happymemories.
All of my happiest memories ofare there, of being a child, are
there mm-hmm.
Young adult.
They're adult.
Adult there.
Yeah.
(25:15):
Like all of my memories arethere.
Um, When I was younger, so thefirst time I went to Maui, I was
18 months old and we went withmy grandparents and my mom and
dad.
And so all of my trips in myyouth were with my parents.
And then my grandparents came alot as well.
So I have lots of reallyimportant memories with them.
Mm-hmm.
(25:35):
Um,'cause they're no longeraround.
So those are big ones and like,The beach that we go to still to
this day is the beach where Iused to go with my grandparents.
Yeah.
Um, there was this huge rock atthe end of the beach.
It's gone now.
Um, the water kind of took itaway eventually, but my grandma,
I, I like, can still envisionher laying on it and sun
(25:57):
tanning.
Oh, that's cute.
Like, love that.
I can still think about it.
Yeah.
And it's at the far, it was atthe far end of the beach.
It's gone.
It was a huge lava rock, but,um, Eventually the water, just
like the tide took it away.
It was just crazy.
It was gone.
But yeah, so Maui for me is oneof, definitely one of my happy
place.
Mm-hmm.
It is my happy place because itjust like, I can, if I close my
(26:18):
eyes and I think hard enough, Ican smell it.
Yeah, totally.
And you know, it's just, I'vebeen there with all my favorite
people mm-hmm.
In my life.
Yeah.
Like I, you know, I went when Ilike with my grandparents and my
aunt and uncle went with us onceand my parents went with us and,
um, Like my ex-boyfriend camewith us once.
Yeah.
Like we went on, he came on acouple trips with my family and
(26:40):
Nick and I, like we startedgoing there when we kind of,
right after we first starteddating and we spent a month
there after I graduated fromuniversity, before I started my
job.
And that was my favorite trip Ithink.
Oh, that's nice.
And you know, you guys have comewith us and my in-laws have been
there, so like, All my favoritepeople.
Yeah.
And like Brooke's been goingthere since she was two months
(27:01):
old.
Yeah.
So that's my happy place.
Yeah, absolutely.
Also, my happy place is anywherewhere Nick is.
Oh, that's nice.
He's my, that's, he's likeromantic and it's not really
NICE's, it's not like theromance side.
He just, he's like, he's like myanchors.
He's my anchor Totally.
For like everything.
Yeah.
Like if he's not around, I feelvery like, you know.
Kristine (27:23):
Aw.
That was really sweet.
It was really
Carrie (27:26):
sweet.
Yeah.
Like he just, he's, he's myperson that makes me like, feel
grounded.
Grounded.
Yeah.
Totally.
Like if there's anything that'slike hectic in my life, I can
always count on him.
'cause he's very unbothered bymost things.
Kristine (27:39):
He can bring you down.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's really nice.
Mm-hmm.
I, I, I get that a hundredpercent.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
That was really nice.
Oh, thanks.
But it is, like you said, noteven the romantic part, but it
is.
Yeah.
'cause like there's been somany.
Date nights.
Yeah.
And like so many things thathave happened out there with the
two of you.
Yeah.
Even that I've witnessed Yeah.
(28:00):
Like being out there with youguys and it is like a very
romantic place that mm-hmm.
You know?
Yeah.
Even our sunset, um, dates Yeah.
That we have with our family.
Yeah.
When we go and see it is like,yeah.
It's a very special place.
So special.
So like, I totally, so special.
I get it.
Ugh.
I love it there.
Yeah.
Mm.
That was a good
Carrie (28:20):
question.
Very, very good.
It was a good one.
That one really brought out thefeelers.
It really
Kristine (28:24):
did.
It really did.
Carrie (28:27):
So at the beginning of the book, Harriett is really
living for the weekend, so tospeak.
So, um, She's spending all ofher work times like waiting for
her happy times, I guess.
Mm-hmm.
So do you ever experience thatand what are some ways you find
joy and purpose in yourday-to-day life when things are
crazy?
I, I
Kristine (28:47):
think that's probably true for most people.
Agreed.
Because life is just reallyhectic for everybody.
And I find that is, it's notlike how it used to be.
Everybody is rushing.
Mm-hmm.
And everybody is like justmm-hmm.
Really pushing to get to thatYes.
End line of the week.
Yes.
Um, So yes, I think I absolutelyexperience it pretty much every
(29:09):
week, but like, just'cause lifeis crazy and we do so much.
Yeah.
And like we work a lot and we'vegot busy lives outside of it.
So Yes.
For myself.
Yes.
Um, and then, what was thesecond part of
Carrie (29:22):
the question?
What are some ways you find joyand purpose in your day-to-day
life, day-to-day, day.
Hmm.
What, what is that?
What is joy?
Kristine (29:32):
Well, um, a really big one, especially with working,
um, our insiders group gives melike, So much more purpose.
Yes.
Um, because there's so muchpositive feedback mm-hmm.
From people, uh, feelingpositive about themself.
Um, and they say like, you know,they feel great in an outfit,
(29:55):
and it's like, holy crap.
Like, yes, they got that fromus, like we gave, gave them that
joy and that feels really good.
Um, and then just for myself, Ineed to remember that I am here
for a purpose.
Mm-hmm.
Am doing something good.
Um, I'm gonna see and I'll cry.
That's fine.
(30:15):
I, so I'm doing something good.
Um, and that, that I wentthrough so much crap in my life
that I act like now I'm here.
And it, it feels really good tokind of show that off.
Yeah.
Um, to people who, to my facetold me that I wasn't going to
go very far.
Yeah.
So just being here gives me joyand purpose.
(30:36):
Joy.
Yeah.
Um, and then, I mean, the thingsI do on the side for myself,
like running feels reallyfreaking good
Carrie (30:43):
Yeah.
So there's
Kristine (30:45):
that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's And my family.
Yeah,
Carrie (30:49):
for sure.
Push is like the push.
Yeah, for sure.
Mm-hmm.
I find it really interesting,um, the like shift in mindset.
Mm-hmm.
Pre and post covid.
Yeah.
Um, before it was so normal tolike run yourself to a ragged
point where you were like, I.
(31:11):
Crazy.
And then we had, we were kind offorced to take an interesting
step back for a year or sixmonths, and you kind of had that
chance to evaluate what wasactually important and what was
actually like valid.
Mm-hmm.
And then now sometimes when Ifind myself getting like really
(31:31):
burnt out or working too much,I'm like, Why, why are we doing
this?
Yeah.
Like what is the reason?
Take a step back.
Like it doesn't have to be likethis.
And I know sometimes my mom willbe having a conversation.
She's like, well, when your dadand I were running our business,
sometimes I'm like, it is not1989 anymore.
Yeah.
Like, like I am not going towork my entire life to not enjoy
(31:53):
my life outside of work.
Totally like.
If I am going to work thisfucking hard from nine to five
every day and then and thensome.
I am absolutely going to enjoymy free time.
And we
Kristine (32:07):
are really young.
Yes, we're really young.
I said that the other day and wehave this amazing thing going
for us.
So to not enjoy that time.
Mm-hmm.
Being young while running ourbusiness Yes.
Would be such a waste.
Carrie (32:23):
Yes.
Kristine (32:25):
We gotta celebrate it.
Yeah.
And celebrate us for beingyoung.
Mm-hmm.
And mm-hmm.
Full of life still.
Yeah.
I have, and I mean, like, wewill be full of life when I,
when we're 60, 70.
Of course.
Of course.
Because I know that we'd beparty rocking.
We will be when we
Carrie (32:39):
are that age.
Yeah.
Especially with the No dyingpact.
Kristine (32:42):
Well, yes.
Yeah.
Naturally.
Um, so being young and havingthat this time and recognizing
this, I think is a really coolcool it thing that we've got
going on's.
Carrie (32:54):
It is.
I just think it's so important.
Mm-hmm.
And I've had people be like,God, you travel a lot, Uhhuh.
Yeah.
That brings me the utmost joy.
Yeah.
Because it would be completecraziness for us to work as much
as we do to like not have timeto travel.
Yeah.
Like, no,
Kristine (33:12):
no, it's no,
Carrie (33:13):
it's an no for me.
It's a no for me.
Yeah.
So that's why I really relatedto that part of her where she
was just like so burnt out andand stopped.
Mm-hmm.
Because she didn't even have anopportunity to enjoy anything
she was accomplishing.
Exactly.
She was literally justaccomplishing it to
Kristine (33:29):
accomplish it.
She kind of turned into a robot.
Yeah.
'cause she was just doingAbsolutely.
She was just going withemotions, doing the job.
And she
Carrie (33:35):
hated it.
She hated it.
And she was scared to tellanyone she hated it.
And that sucks.
Especially like, You know, shedidn't even wanna tell her best
friends or her or her fianceefiance.
Yeah.
But she hated it because she wasso worried, what everyone was
gonna think about it and likemm-hmm.
Yeah, it's tough.
She had such a cool, cool growththroughout the book and really
(33:55):
like really good revelation.
Agreed.
Yeah.
Kristine (34:00):
I love this book.
It was so
Carrie (34:01):
good.
I could reread it.
Yeah, it was good.
It was really good.
Yeah.
Really cute.
Very happy.
Very happy with the way it went.
So we wanna know what you guysthought of the book.
Um, please write us onInstagram.
We, now that we've talked aboutthese questions, we are gonna
post them.
Yes.
So you have a chance to write tous.
We probably won't put thequestion box'cause it doesn't
give you guys enough.
(34:22):
Space to write the reply, butyou can always write a message
at the bottom.
Yep.
And then we'll be sharing someof the responses on our stories
as well.
Mm-hmm.
Going forward.
So,
Kristine (34:31):
and if there's anything that you wanna stay
anonymous to let us know Yes.
In your message, because we'rehappy to just crop out your
name.
Yeah.
We'll, we'll just
Carrie (34:37):
crop out your name and then just put the
Kristine (34:39):
message.
Yeah.
Because there were some, therewere some hot questions in
there.
Yeah.
Whew.
Yeah, it was really good.
Well, we loved it.
We, we did.
We're excited
Carrie (34:47):
for the next book.
Five Outta Five for that one.
Yeah, absolutely.
Five out of five Babe Stars.
Oh, babe
Kristine (34:54):
Stars.
Yeah.
Let's keep that a thing.
Yeah.
Good job.
Oh, where's the button?
Oh, shit.
Carrie (35:04):
Oh, did I first try?
Woo.
Ah, wow.
Killed it with that first book.
Kristine (35:10):
Pee Me.
Carrie (35:13):
Yeah.
Um, so Christine is the, thepicker Picker for book number
two.
Yeah.
For the September book.
So she is going to let you guysknow what that is.
Um, I found it on Kindle andCobo.
I also found you can order it onIndigo if you want a paper copy.
Also, most libraries have a,like a hard copy of the books.
(35:36):
Um, I was actually able to takethe ebook out from the library
already because it's Oh good.
If there was no wait, so that'sreally nice too.
Um, for sure.
Strathcona County Library had acouple copies you could take out
and we only have one of them.
Christine and I share it.
Yeah,
Kristine (35:50):
yeah, we sure do.
Okay, so the next book is ThePerfect Marriage by Geneva Rose.
Geneva.
Geneva.
So Sarah Morgan is, is asuccessful and powerful defense
attorney in Washington DC as anamed partner at her firm.
Life is going exactly how sheplanned.
The same cannot be said for herhusband, Adam.
he's a struggling writer who hashad little success in his career
(36:13):
and he tires of his and Sarah'srelationship as she is
constantly working.
Out in the secluded woods at theCouple's Lakehouse, Adam engages
in a passionate affair withKelly Summers.
But one morning, everythingchanges.
Kelly is found brutally stabbedto death.
And now Sarah must take on herhardest case yet defending her
own husband, a man accused ofmurdering his mistress.
(36:35):
Uh, the perfect marriage is thejuicy twisting, utterly
addictive thriller that willkeep you turning pages.
You won't see the ending coming,guaranteed.
Can't wait.
I'm really excited.
Sounds so
Carrie (36:45):
good.
Sounds so good.
I love thrillers as everybodyknows, so I was excited that
Christine picked one.
Yeah, I'm really jacked up forit.
Kristine (36:52):
So complete flip flip from, uh, this book.
Carrie (36:55):
Yes.
Which is fun.
'cause we, we need to mix it up,you know?
Mm-hmm.
Um, so this book is obviouslyour September book.
The September book club episodewill be September 24th, because
it's always the last Sunday ofthe month.
So September 24th will be thenext episode.
I'll be there.
I will too.
Perfect.
Okay.
You
Kristine (37:14):
guys, it'd be really shitty, but I was talking about
this book by myself.
Right.
Just you I'll bring thecardboard cut out.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
I'll make it, talk to me.
Okay.
So that, that's our episode fortoday.
I hope you guys enjoyed it.
I hope you guys enjoyed the bookand make sure you, uh, drop your
responses from the questions.
And, uh, bye.
Boom.
(37:34):
Bye bang.
Have a good rest of
Carrie (37:36):
your Sunday, you.
Woo-hoo.
We'll see you next week.
Bye.
Bye.
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