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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Uh Friday Content. Yes, I have no idea what episode
this is. We're gonna be talking about some homeschooling today.
I got a whole bunch of links that we can
go over. But before we jump into that, I want
to real quick, what are some of the challenges that
you think most parents face when having discussions about homeschool
I can tell you three right off the top of
my head.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
The first thing that comes to my mind is time management,
their own free time as a couple. Okay, and not
knowing where to start.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Biggest one for me always comes down to socialist socialization.
Every time homeschool gets broughtup, people are like, well, I
want my kids to be able to socialize, and if
they get pulled out out of school they can't socialize
with their friends, they're going to be stunted.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
We hear that shit constantly. I hear The financial aspect
is another one. You know, I need to work. We
have dual income and barely make ends meet. We have
to pay for daycare, YadA, YadA, YadA, and then the
other one isn't. I don't think I can teach my
kid for eight hours a day. People think that you
have to homeschool for fucking all day long and don't

(01:29):
realize how much time kids actually need to be homeschooled.
It just dawn on me that we didn't do any
type of real intro conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
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Speaker 1 (02:42):
But there's not restrictions on our free speech or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Right or weird throttling with algorithms and things of that nature.
But you know that's neither here nor there. All right.
So this article was written in September of twenty twenty four.
I really just want to get into this, but I
feel like I would be remiss if I don't ask you.
Is there anything else you want to talk about before
we get into this?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
No, you're a gung host. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I feel like this is gonna be a big conversation,
so I'm kind of excited about it. This says homeschooling
can okay? Before I get any further. This is from
parents dot com so that you guys can research this
if you want. The title is called Here's how much
it cost to homeschool your kids? So you can Google
search this and read it for yourself if you want to.
It says homeschooling can feel daunting, especially with the perception

(03:25):
that you need to have loads of money to set
aside to do it. So it's homeschooling expensive. Well, that
depends the average cost of homeschooling range is from five
hundred to twenty five hundred dollars per student annually, but
how much family spend on homeschooling varies widely, So before
we move any further, When we first started talking about homeschooling,
my sister Amy was like, I have all the books. Yeah,

(03:46):
everything that you guys would need with your kids are there,
And then she mentioned Facebook groups. There are a lot
of people that recycle the books that need to be
gone around, so there's a whole lot of ways to
save money and that aspect for a curriculum if you
want to do it. I also think I'll save that
thought until later. Article then goes on and say there
are different philosophies of homeschooling and different ways of homeschooling. Besides,

(04:09):
expensive can mean different things for different families. When determining
how much homeschooling may cost for your family, here are
a few buckets in which most of your homeschooling expenses
will fall and cost to expect. Curriculum this is the
one that we just touched on. We know that you
can buy those books used, and I'm willing to bet
that if you're a tech savvy person, you can find

(04:29):
a download online for free if you just look for it.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
There are many different homeschool curriculums to choose from, ranging
anywhere between fifty dollars to six hundred or more per child.
Different curriculums and resources offer different benefits, including free digital
and printable downloads. You can also look into sharing a
curriculum with other homeschooling families, especially if your kids are
just a year or two apart. A major homeschooling expense

(04:53):
for us as curriculum, says Rachel Sheridan, a homeschooling mom
of four. We spend a couple hundred a year on
it for our oldest, but it's all by choice and
it all gets used again for the next child in
line and all. We spent about five hundred dollars on
curriculum purchase before the school year, which includes lesson plans
and all books needed for all subjects.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Really, when you think about fifty two weeks in a year,
I don't know how long summer vacation, spring break, and
winter break is. It's two weeks for two months for summer,
a week for spring break, and a week for winter, right.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Two weeks for winter break.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Two weeks. So we're looking at eight ten well it
three months, okay, three months, so out of the other
nine months of the year four weeks a month. So
knowing that with the three months removed, we're looking at
thirty six weeks of school at with five hundred dollars there,
you put that into the thirty six weeks, you're looking

(05:50):
at about fourteen bucks a month to homeschool your kids.
You break that down monthly to daily, and you're you're
since you did.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Thirty six weeks, teen dollars a week, not a month.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Right, Okay, fourteen dollars a week either way. You break
that down daily, you're still like, what two dollars a day?
I mean, it's nothing. I'm not very good at math.
I was in a public school system. Had I been homeschooled,
I probably had this fit figured out. Anything on that,
anything else? Okay. The next part of the articles at
homeschooling pods. Participating in learning pods or homeschooling pods can

(06:22):
also be a major expense. While it gives homeschooled children
peers to learn with and the opportunity to learn things
outside of their parents expertise, it is usually the most
significant cost for families who choose this route. Lisa quatdal Bomb, Wow,
it's a long ass last name. Quattle Bomb, a self
employed leadership consultant and homeschooling mom of one, says, I

(06:44):
have one child and she does a lot of interactive
activities face to face and virtually. These learning pods are
great because the kids get to interact with each other. Okay,
I didn't even think about the online learning aspect. We're
in Florida. My family's in Tennessee. The kids cousins range
from sixteen to I think eight right now. The youngest

(07:06):
is eight seven, somewhere in that range. I could be wrong,
I'm guessing, but I never thought about the fact that
we can FaceTime and they can play in FaceTime and
do that kind of thing for school purposes. That never
once crossed my mind. But that is another factor that
should be talked about when talking about the social aspect
with children. It does. It needs to be on FaceTime,

(07:27):
not just like video game or phone calls, because you
need to see the social cues like the body language
and things. But again, if you're trying to create learning
pods and you get into a Facebook group where other
moms are doing the same thing and they're local, you
can either go do it publicly or you can jump
on a zoom call and everybody can work together and

(07:47):
that's not gonna cost you anything. Because if the parents
already have to do lessons, if you have three friends
or homeschooling that you met through a Facebook group, you
do Monday, they do Tuesday, somebody does Wednesday, somebody else
does Thursday, it's not hard to create a curriculum and
work through that shit. And that comes into community, and
that also speaks to why we fucking need a community
so bad. Right, Okay, moving on, But pods can cost

(08:08):
anywhere from seventy five to two hundred dollars a week
if you have multiple children participating you sometimes get family discounts,
but it ends up giving being as expensive as it
would be to censure child to daycare or an after
school program. She adds, maybe I don't understand what a
pod is. A pod just sounds like a collective of
people who are doing the same thing. Why would you
have to pay for that? Lauren Umlof, co founder of

(08:31):
the Dandelion Project, A dandelion every time, the facilitator of
wild Seeds Learning Community agrees. Wild Seeds, the in person
learning community that my children go to, is by far
the greatest expense for this. I pay seven hundred a
month for two kids. Okay, that's that's almost daycare rates, right, Well,
for two kids, it's not even close to Derek daycare

(08:52):
rates good daycare.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
With two thousand dollars a week on daycare when we
had to do a month a month.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, sorry, so, but that's for two kids. She's at
three fifty a week. That's way way different than a
thousand a week or a month. I mean. Increasingly there
has been a push to make homeschooling pods more accessibles
to family of all income groups. Wild Seeds Learnings Community,
for example, offers a sliding scale model, which goes all
the way down to zero.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Next part of this is called extra lessons. Not all
parents are able to teach their children every subject or activity.
They may need to get extra support for different task
subjects or other interests such as painting, dancing, sports, and more.
Sheridan says that for her, the biggest expense is music education.
We do weekly piano and drum lessons for the kids.
These end up custing about twenty five hundred dollars per month.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
It's a lot. Now if you add in the custom
podship where the ladies paying seven hundred bucks for two kids,
and then the twenty five hundred on top of it,
we're talking like mortgage payment. But no, right, I mean
technically twenty five hundred a month is probably more than
most people's mortgage payment. It's a lot of money to
be dished off for your kids from music lesson, but

(10:00):
it's optional, right, And if you can afford the twenty
five hundred dollars for music lessons and you don't see
that as a wasted expense, then good for you. But
I also think that there are other options for that
as well. Yeah, you know there's church groups that have
banned like you might be able to get your kid
to work with somebody in a church for tutor lessons
or something. There's got to be a cheaper way to
do that.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
There's a lot of self taught people who learn from YouTube.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Right. You both could, Yeah, mom and child could sit
down pull up a YouTube video on how to play
the ukuleleian. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like right.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
However, this is not to say that all activities need
to be as expensive. Parents on a lower budget have
also been able to provide a number of activities for
their children. We occasionally pay for online classes based on
the interest that the kids have, says Hannah Mack, co
founder of the Dan Allion Project, facilitator of the Wild
Weeds Learning Community, and Pennsylvania Homeschool evaluator. We also pay

(10:56):
for other kinds of lessons, such as horseback riding lessons
or correo lessons. The maximum I have spent per month
on these is three hundred dollars for all three kids
combined horseback riding for example, with quite expensive mac ad Well.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean that makes sense. You put your kids in
any after school program or any type of community thing.
You have to pay for the time, but it's been
a while since I've done any type of MMA or
anything like that, but the last time I looked, those
things were like fifty bucks a month. So if you've
got three kids, you're one hundred and fifty dollars. Those
kids should be doing stuff like that anyways, whether they're
in school or not. We're huge advocates for that shit.

(11:31):
And if your kids are into sports, they should be
doing sports stuff. There's other things that you could be
doing as well, though, Like you could create a foraging group.
It would be really easy to use something like Google
Lens or the Apple AI that's in the iPhone now
to find edible plants in the state that you live in,
and you guys could do like a six week course
every Saturday where all the kids and parents meet up

(11:52):
and go find edible plants in your area, and then
part of the curriculum would be identifying those plants. Not
only is this going to give them outside time, it's
going to give them socialization time. It's going to give
you socialization time where you get to do something with
other adults. It's going to teach them life lessons that
they otherwise wouldn't be getting. In the event that there's
an emergency, they'll know what they can fucking eat in

(12:14):
their local environment. Like that's a big deal. So that's
all very much a thing. The next part of this
article goes on to say gear, field trips, and activity
supplies for many homeschooling families explore the out exploring the outdoors,
field trips, activities, and independent reading make up the core
of their education. While books can be barred from the library,

(12:37):
and some libraries even have a special program for homeschoolers
to rent books for longer, other expenses can still be substantial.
Quadlebaum says, we went to a lot of museums, so
that's about thirty dollars each. Even if we can get
in for free, not every engagement is free with entry,
so there may be extra cost. I also spent about
fifty on books along with the ones we borrowed from

(12:59):
the library. I pay on average between two and three
hundred dollars a month for such activities. Umlof says gears
such as bicycles and clothing are important expenses to consider.
Two part of your learning philosophy is that kids need
to be out in the world exploring, so gear is
a big part of it. I would say that I
spend maybe two hundred and fifty per year per kid
on basic all weather clothing. Okay, so this is things

(13:20):
that you're going to spend anyways. Now, is there a
write off as like a homeschool situation. I don't know.
You'd want to talk to a account or look into
like quick books or something to figure that out. But
I would imagine if you're buying gear for your kids
or you're doing field trips, there's got to be some
sort of write off that that there's there has to
be something. You just got to do the research there.

(13:42):
This part of things is why I want a homeschool,
being able to take the kids to the moat, marine
or a cave or a waterfall, theater, a theater, right,
we could go see Wicked. What did you learn today? Kids?
It's Glinda, not gull Linda anymore. Change your name dad,
You know what I mean? Like something there's a reason

(14:03):
for these kind of things. You get to interact with
your kids, and you get to teach them the way
that you view things, and like you get to instill
your values in them instead of them having the world
force down their throats, and they get to experience life
outside of a classroom. You can look at a shark
and a book, but seeing one swimming and aquarium is
a very different experience. You can learn about lions, but

(14:24):
seeing one in a zoo is a very different experience.
I'm willing to bet that if you live somewhere that
has a place like Bush Gardens, you could take the
kids to Bush Gardens for the day and that would
be considered a school day. Now. Is that expensive, Absolutely,
especially if you've got a big family. Yeah, but it's
worth it because you get to make memories and get
to experience stuff and maybe get them a little toy,
and that's something that they're gonna remember for the rest

(14:44):
of their lives.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah. They also house animals at Bush Gardens, so.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
They do it at SeaWorld too.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
You can buy backstage passes to SeaWorld.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Look at all the behind the scenes stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah. People think that SeaWorld is just a big aquarium.
SeaWorld is so much more than that. About three quarters
of SeaWorld's property is rehabilitation. Wow, most people don't know that. Yeah,
and the parking lot in the little areas where they
do the shows pays for all of their rehabilitations.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, it's a lot to that can't wait until we
cant homeschool me either, me either.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Next part is called loss of income. For some families,
homeschooling might mean that one parent needs to give up
some or all of their income to supports their child
to support their child's education. For quaddle Bam, a single parent,
this has been the largest expense when I think about
how I am able to homeschool her. It's because I
am able to essentially support us working part time or freelance,

(15:42):
says quaddle Bomb. If that were not an option, I
don't know if homeschooling would have been an option, she adds.
With many parents working from home, Max suggests that giving
up your job may not be necessary. The thing is
that when you're homeschooling or unschooling, you are not tied
to a bell schedule. Families can be really creative with
their skins and when work and when learning happens.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Says Mac, I want to touch real quick before we
read the tip right here that just because these people
are doing it with a cost doesn't mean that you
have to. If you have an income from one parent
that's high enough that the other person can quit their
job and not have to pay for a daycare and
all of that. You can make this work. There's so
many resources out there that make this not expensive. These

(16:26):
are people obviously, who do okay for themselves and go
out and do like side jobs or have a part
time job. I also want to touch on Zach turn
me onto a website called rat Race Rebellion where it's
a work from home website and you can go in
there and fill out your little shit and like your
skills and look for jobs. And it's all remote. And
if you can work remote, you don't need eight hours

(16:46):
with your kids a day, right. And we're going to
get into the time schedules too. There's a tip here
that says for homeschooling families that have two working parents,
have your kids do more independent activities during the day
while you work and outside of your work schedules, you
will be able to do more of the family and
exponential learning. The bottom line, homeschooling can be done on
a budget just as well as it can be when

(17:07):
you have a larger amount at your disposal. We are
spending more, but we could be spending less, says Mac.
We could choose not to do the in person learning community,
or the extra classes that we are taking, but instead
do more learning at home together as a family community.
Homeschooling and unschooling can cost money, but it doesn't have to.
I've never heard the phrase unschooling. No, Nope, is that?

(17:30):
Can you do? You know what that is? Is it
just another term for homeschooling.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
I mean yes, it's interchangeable with with homeschooling. But people
use unschooling because they believe when you send your children
to school, they are being turned into drones. So there
is a oh you googled it, so I don't have to.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
No, I still want your opinion because I've never heard
this before. I would still like to hear what you have.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
I just got derailed.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
So. Unschooling is a homeschooling method that's child centered and informal,
with no curriculum or lessons. It's also known as self
directed learning or natural learning. Okay. Unschooling is an educational
philosophy that relies on a child's innate curiosity and desire
to learn. I mean that's I think that that's how
we're supposed to learn. What a what a phrase though? Unschooling, Yeah,

(18:20):
child centered and informal with no curriculum or lessons. Okay,
so little man could wake up and we could go
what do you want to learn to day? Bud? I
want to learn about sharks? What do you want to learn?
Learn about princess dance. We spend a little bit of
time on the internet learning about sharks and learning about dance.
Create a little quiz for them to take and then
go about our lives. Is that is that a possibility?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Well, they would still have to be able to pass
tests by the.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
State, writing math things like that.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
But that's just our state. I don't know what that
looks like in Massachusetts right.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
This one is from read lie dot com. It's titled
Harvard study finds homeschoolers become healthy, happy, virtuous adults and
this was posted on December twenty first of twenty twenty one.
A recent study by Harvard researchers has cast out on
common misconceptions about homeschool students, particularly concerning their lives after graduation.
The study was released amidst a time of exponential growth

(19:17):
and homeschooling across the nation, because obviously this was happening
during COVID. Researchers Brendan Case and Ling Chin explained their
results in a Wall Street Journal opinion editorial titled what
Homeschoolers Are Doing Right. Their conclusions are especially ironic after
the remarks of Elizabeth Barthlett, a Harvard Law School professor

(19:37):
who called for greater restrictions on homeschooling. In May twenty twenty.
Miss Bartlett criticized homeschooling for both diminishing children's educational attainment
and undermining their physical and mental health. The researchers wrote,
noting that their own research suggested otherwise. The picture of
the homeschooled student that emergence from the data doesn't resemble

(19:58):
the socially awkward, in n ignorant stereotype to which Miss
Barthlet and others appeal. Rather, homeschooled children generally develop into
well adjusted, responsible, and socially engaged young.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Adults, happy, healthy, and virtuous. The study examined data from
more than twelve thousand children surveyed from nineteen ninety nine
to twenty ten. Parents want their kids to be well
educated and professionally successful, but they also want them to
be healthy, happy, and virtuous. By this broader measure of success,
homeschooling has advantages among the students. We examined, homeschoolers were

(20:33):
thirty three percent more likely to volunteer, thirty one percent
more forgiving, and fifty one percent more likely to attend
religious services in young adulthood than those who attended public school.
Researchers also pointed out that the correlation between attending religious
services regularly and having substantially lower risk of alcoholic drug abuse, depression,

(20:54):
and suicide. In this way, they concluded homeschooling could have
public health implications. This most recent study confirms previous findings
by the National Home Education Research Institute. After examining forty
five peer reviewed studies, the institute concluded that homeschool graduates
typically perform above average on measures of psychological, emotional, and

(21:16):
social development. Homeschool students are regularly engaged in social and
educational activities outside their homes and with people other than
their nuclear family members. The institute explains on the website.
They are commonly involved in activities such as field trips, scouting,
four H political drives, church ministry, sports teams, and community

(21:38):
volunteer work.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I don't know four ahes.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
I don't know what that is either.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Positive youth development mentorship. Okay, so FOURG is a nonprofit
organization is US based network of youth organizations where mission
is engaging youth to reach their fullest potential while advancing
the field of youth development. Founded in nineteen oh two
and Ohio Looking to the future. The studies researchers also

(22:04):
suggested that the difference between homeschoolers and their public school
counterparts may have widened since twenty ten, the year that
the studies follow up ended. Recent studies by Gene Twins,
Jonathan hate It and others have documented huge spikes over
the past decade and adolescent anxiety, depression, and school loneliness.
That's a new phrase, a self reported composite measure of

(22:27):
social isolation at school. That is, school loneliness, all tightly
correlated with the increasing smartphone use. Fucking get me started
on that. Given that homeschooling parents consistently rate concerns with
school environments, including safety, drugs, or negative peer pressure as
the most important factor, and their decision to teach their

(22:48):
kids at home, we might expect these students will have
suffered less from prevailing dysfunctions of their generation than public
school peers. That's the end of the article. I want
to touch on a lot of things in this last
part of this adolescent anxiety, depression and school loneliness. Although
I just learned the school loneliness term, bullying makes that
school loneliness. The need to fit in makes that school loneliness.

(23:12):
The inability to have the new shiny thing that all
of the friends may potentially have adds to that school loneliness. Right,
you have a whole lot of factors when you're developing,
and peer pressures that come along that increase all of
that shit. And even though the popular kids at school
may front like they're not depressed or unhappy or sad
or lonely, when it comes down to it, most kids

(23:33):
in school are UNHAPPI at fuck I also think that.
And I would like to find the article that I
read yesterday about times of learning, and I will pull
that up before we were done with this. But for
the amount of time that kids spend in school quote
unquote learning, they're not really learning. Their focus is not there.
So in between there's notes passing and shit talking and

(23:55):
bullying and flicking and booger wiping and all the things
that kids do because kids are assholes to each other
or that create problems when your kid wakes up first
thing in the morning and doesn't want to go to school.
It's not because it's boring. They don't want to go
to school because there's some factor in the school system
that makes them not want to be there. Maybe it's
not fun. But if all of those kids were there

(24:16):
to have fun and they enjoyed the people they were around,
they would love to go to school. If you tell
your kid, we're going to a birthday party today and
they're gonna go see a bunch of kids, they're normally
really excited about it. But if there's a kid there
that they don't like or has picked on them, when
they get their their demeanor changes. It's just situational awareness
of paying attention to your child. And I want to
touch on real quick the socialization that comes from having

(24:38):
kids around parents versus kids around other kids. If you
have well spoken parents, you have kids that tend to
be well spoken because the parents don't allow them to
talk like morons. You stick your kid in a public
school system and they start that skimmity bullshit and they're
using all that lingo. That lingos not going to help

(25:00):
them in the adult world. And that's the whole point
of schooling. It's to get them to the point where
they can be functional adults and be successful in life,
running around what do they call it, riz, Yeah, and
all that stupid shit. You're not going to speak like
that when you become an adult. All the lingo that
we had in the nineties growing up, we don't talk
like that because as you get into the professional world,

(25:22):
the professional world doesn't talk like that. And if you
want to have something in life, you can't run around
sound like a fucking idiot using slang all the time. Yeah.
So I would rather our kids have our vernacular, even
though there are things that are not great with us,
Like I cuss a lot. I would like to not
have them cuss a lot. I would like to make
sure that they don't say like and umconsistently. Those are

(25:43):
things that I do and I am actually aware of.
You're aware of it when you do it, too, So
it is things that we are trying to work on.
We caught our kids starting to say like and I
don't know where that came from, because we don't talk
to them that way when we do it on the podcast.
It's because we're trying to find our words in the
moment and they were starting sentence is with like, UM, yeah, no, no,
we're going to speak with authority. If you have something

(26:04):
you want to say, speak with authority.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
You also need to figure out what you want to
say before you ask me, which is a.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Huge thing too.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah you know.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Okay, So the homeschooling This is from Crowncounseling dot com. Uh,
there is not a date on this, but it has
been fact checked. Homeschooling population is approximately three point seven
million students in the US. That's in twenty twenty four.
They represent about six point seventy three percent of all
school age children. Public school enrollment is around forty nine
point four million students across the United States. Academic performance,

(26:36):
homeschooled students typically score fifteen to twenty five percent points
higher than public school students on standardized tests standardized test
which means parents have a much higher standard for their
children than the school does. It also means that parents
are able to teach their children the way that their
children learn because they're the parents. There's not nine other kids,

(26:58):
or twenty other kids, or thirty other kids in the
cl classroom that are creating distractions. SAT scores on average
homeschool students score eleven ninety on the SAT compared to
ten sixty for the public school students. College graduation rates
are about sixty seven percent of homeschool students versus fifty
nine percent of public school students. High school graduation rates

(27:19):
of public school students have a high school graduation rate
of ninety one percent, while the rate for homeschool students
which is approximately sixty six point seven. So that's I
don't know why that would be a difference. Public school
students have a higher high school graduation rate. Standardized test
performance over seventy eight percent of peer reviewed studies indicate
that homeschool students perform statistically significantly better than their public

(27:41):
school counterparts. There's a whole bunch of these. I'm just
scroll down to the next part of the thing. Moving on.
This is the chapter three part of this educational Structure
and Resources Average daily learning time. This was a big
part of what I wanted to talk about today, and
though this is not the thing I read and I
still have to find it, we'll get there. The structure
of the school day differs significantly between public schools and homeschooling.

(28:01):
Homeschool students typically spend about three to five hours per
day on formal education, whereas public school students spend around
six to eight hours a day in school. The difference
in structured learning time is notable. Homeschooling often allows for
a more flexible schedule and can incorporate more informal learning
opportunities throughout the day. Public schools, on the other hand,

(28:21):
provide a more structured environment with set schedules for very
subjects and activities. Student teacher ratio is a big deal. Obviously,
homeschooling settings often have a ratio that's one to one
or two to one. Public schools are a sixteen to one.
This stark difference is This stark difference in individual attention
can have profound implications for personalized learning, immediate feedback, and

(28:44):
addressing individual student needs. The average cost of homeschooling ranges
from seven hundred to three thousand per child annually, which
we read earlier is not the same numbers. Public school
costs approximately twelve, six hundred and twelve dollars per year
per student. While homeschooling appears to be significantly less expensive
at first glance, it is important to note that public

(29:06):
school costs include infrastructure, staff salaries, and various resources that
homeschooling families might need to provide separately. Okay, so this
goes on to parental education levels, which is kind of
an important discussion. A lot of people think, well, I
need to have a degree or I need to have
a college education to homeschool my kids. You don't. You
just need to be able to understand the curriculum to
be able to teach your kids. But this goes on
to say the educational background of those providing instruction is

(29:29):
another important factor. About sixty four percent of homeschooled parents
hold a bachelor degree or higher. Fifty eight percent of
public school teachers possess a master's degree or higher. The
statistics show that both homeschooling parents and public school teachers
tend to be well educated, with a slightly higher percentage
of public school teachers holding an advanced degree. That wasn't

(29:50):
common until the nineteen sixties. Most people that taught schools
back then were not anything other than a mom who
had the capability to understand what they read and and
then implemented in school. There were people up into the eighties,
because they were already hired on as a teacher that
didn't have fucking degrees in teaching that became something new now.

(30:11):
I don't know if that means that kids are getting
a better degree now than what they were getting then,
but I do know that they have continuously decreased the
difficulty of school learning to be more inclusive for kids
who have a hard time learning. Class sizes have gotten bigger,
personal attention has gotten smaller, time in the chair has
become more. There's a whole lot of things that come
into that. And I truly believe the eight hour school

(30:33):
day is made so that you have a babysitter, so
that you can pay taxes.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I think it also prepares children to be able to
work eight hour days for the government.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I mean, I agree with that. I agree with that,
but the kids at you know, three, five, seven, ten
years old shouldn't be trying to do that. Their brains
aren't ready for that, Their attentions, vans aren't there. All right,
So the next thing that we're going to pull up
is from CNLD dot org. CNLD is a.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Do it trusted psychological and psychological testing, treatment and therapy,
executive function coaching, and educational advocacy and planning.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
So what you guys don't get to hear or see
if you're watching, is me try to say neuropsychological like
three times three times? And I got it when I'm
looking at you, because I know what the word is
supposed to sound like. But the moment I looked at it.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
It don't look right.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
It don't look right. So we're going to talk about
attention spans a little bit from this website and it
says how long should a child's attention span be? And
this conversation speaks into the eight hours that they're in school.
Children are known for having short attention spans, but how
short is too short? They're going to talk about ADHD
a little bit. Is your child just an excited kid
with a lot on his mind or is there something
else contributing to the attention span. This guy explains how

(31:46):
long a child's attention span should be, along with tips
improving your child's focus. Average attention span by age group.
Two years old attention span is four to six minutes.
Three years becomes eight, four years is eight to twelve.
Our kids are five to six years. Their attention span
is twelve to eighteen minutes. I can tell anything over that.

(32:08):
They lose interest, they disengage. Yeah, and that's because they're
looking for that new stimuli in their brain.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah. I had a conversation with our son last night
and we were laying in bed and we were talking
about over the weekend. He brought home like ten pages
of class work to do and we were like, what
is this? Like? Why was this not done in school?
And we had a conversation last night and he was like,

(32:34):
Mommy just gets so bored in conversations. I was like,
I get that. He was like, it's hard for me
to pay attention because I think it is something cool
when I want to do it, or I see a
pencil when it's a drumstick. I was like, I get it, buddy,
we just have to try extra hard. And I'm actually
glad we're having this conversation. I know that there are
a lot of parents out there who are frustrated, not

(32:56):
understanding why their child just can't focus, right.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I think it's because most of us don't remember what
it was like to be a kid. We remember what
it was like being a kid. We got to play,
we got spanked, you know, the abuse, whatever, video games, whatever, bicycles.
We remember that shit very rarely when we think about
being a kid, do we think about running behind the
bathroom door after getting yelled at and be like, you know,

(33:22):
because you can't be like that to your parents, right,
so like you have to to reel that in. So
like most people, and I'm sure there's people laughing because
I know that everybody's done that shit at least once,
but you don't remember what it was like to be
sitting there thinking about something while your parents were talking
to you really and not knowing what disassociation is, and
they'd be like, what did I just say? And you
have no fucking idea because you were thinking about cherry blossoms, right,

(33:43):
so like, or you were thinking about that new thing
that you want to do, or your bike. You know,
why is my tire going going flat? That's normal shit
for kids, but we don't remember what that was like,
and we're living our adult brains trying to relate to
children who are still going through that development stage seventeen
I'm sorry, sevent to eight years old. That timeframe goes

(34:05):
from from twelve to eighteen to sixteen to twenty four minutes,
so you get a little bit of a bump there.
Nine to ten years old is twenty to thirty minutes.
Eleven to twelve is twenty five to thirty five, thirteen
to fifteen is thirty to forty sixteen years old plus
is thirty two to fifty plus minutes. This goes on
to say that, of course every child is different. Some
children may fall outside of that spectrum, but that should

(34:26):
give you a reference point. If your child is in
school and cannot focus for more than five to ten minutes,
there may be an underlying factor worth uncovering. I know
that this is going to go into ADHD, and before
I get into any of that discussion, you need to
keep in mind that children have a hyperactive imagination. It
may not be ADHD. It may be that they're fucking

(34:48):
bored and they don't care they're forced to go to school.
Given the option, most kids would rather not. And if
you were able to take that eight hour school day
and cram it into three hours and do it over
the course of eight ho hours, we're going to do
thirty minutes learning and then take a break or fifteen
minutes and fifteen minutes, fifteen minutes and fifteen minutes. For
every fifteen minutes work you get a fifteen minute break.

(35:08):
You can still get your learning in in a way
that is going to be productive for the children, or
you can go from one subject to another based off
of their attention span. If you have a sixty six
year old and you know that they can only hold
hold fifteen minutes of attention, you're going to be reading
for fifteen minutes, math from fifteen minutes, science for fifteen minutes,
reading for fifteen minutes math, science, and you're just going
to balance from those things and just come back to it.

(35:28):
It will keep them engaged. They're not going to get
too bored. You know, that could be a way that
you help. I don't think that everybody should just go
my kid has a short attention span, he's got ADHD.
Unless you've actually seen somebody that can diagnose your kid
with ADHD, the self diagnosis shit is getting out of control, guys. Yeah,
is a short attention span a sign of ADHD? A

(35:50):
short attention span could be a sign of ADHD, but
it's not the official deciding factor. Children with ADHD struggle
to focus, stay organized, and complete tasks from start to finish.
They may get frustrated by tasks that require focus, or
they may fidget throughout the day. Thus, you may want
to get an ADHD screening if your child has a
short attention span. But don't assume your child has ADHD

(36:14):
just because of a short attention span, right, Okay, does
screen time impact attention span development? Without even reading this, right, Yeah,
we fucking know it does. That is general knowledge at
this point, and we still stick kids in front of screens. Yeah,
what were you about to say, because you took a
deep o breath.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Because we see it in adults now who can engage
in conversations for more than ten minutes, or they can't
finish a forty five minute episode of a show.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Do you think that that's an attention span thing or
do you think that's a dopamine thing or like a
constant need for stimuli? Because if you're watching something for
forty five minutes that you enjoy, that should be enough stimuli.
If you're resorting to being on your phone or playing
Tic tac toe or you're reading watching TV at that point,
you're not really engaged. It's just background noise, and that's

(37:03):
a very different thing. But do you think that the
screens have fucked up the way that we look for
stimuli with our brain?

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, I can sit here and watch the show or
I can go on TikTok and see Orcas in the
wild in Alaska.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah. This thing says that studies show that given a
child too much screen time has been found to negatively
impact attention span and language, as well as cognitive development.
It can also lead to extreme tantrums, mood swings, sleep disruptions, irritability, aggression,
and many other issues. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends

(37:39):
recommends avoiding screen time as much as possible until a
child reaches two years old. From two to five, a
child should only have up to one hour of high
quality screen time enriching TV shows, games, activities, etc. These
recommendations may not align with all lifestyles, but this is
the best approach to maximize attention spans and cognitive development.

(38:01):
If you are struggling to manage your child's behavioral issues,
reducing his or her screen time could boost the quality
of life for your household. There's a link here. I'm
going to open this so that I can maybe come
back to it. Trips cut that tips to improve your
child's attention span. Reducing screen time is just one of
those which may improve your child's attention span if you

(38:23):
can establish a consistent, predictable routine from day to day,
your child will thrive in all areas. School chores, family time,
and meal time all become muscle memory. When there is
a routine in place. This may make it easier to
manage screen time and complete daily task without resistance. This
will help a lot. If you were homeschooling, wake up
at seven, Breakfast is at seven thirty. You have thirty

(38:45):
minutes to get your your wits about you before we eat.
After breakfast eight o'clock, we have math from eight to
eight fifteen, reading from a fifteen to eight thirty, and
you structure your day. Eleven o'clock we have lunch, and
then we're done with the day. If you do this
shit right, that routine, your kids will wake up and
do the same thing every morning, and then once it's done,

(39:05):
they can go and be feral if they want to
go and be feral. As adults, we all thrive with
a routine. You wake up, you journal, get your coffee,
and you meditate, go to the gym, go to work, whatever, whatever, whatever.
If you do the same thing every day, you're more
likely to do it because it becomes habitual. You don't
think about it. You just get up and go do
those things. Moving on, This has encourage your child to

(39:29):
use his or her imagination, play outside, or use enriching
activities that do not rely on screens. Figure out what
your child is interested in and use that tool for growth.
Oh my god, you mean I have to connect with
my child and actually spend time and talk to them. Man,
I don't know if I can do that. That's a lot.
That means I have to put my phone down. That
means I get less screen time. That means I don't

(39:50):
get to come home from work and relax and decompress.
What about me? And I did that on purpose? Yeah,
because there's a whole lot of you out there who
are going to hear that and be like, damn you right,
or you're gonna get triggered, and just know that you're selfish.
You shouldn't have had a kid if you're not willing
to raise them and spend quality time with your child.
If your child is struggling at school or at home,
it may be time for a professional evaluation. One of

(40:12):
our license blah blah blah. This is just an ad.
But then it goes on to say that symptoms and
struggles to determine if there is an underlying condition at work.
A learning disability, ADHD, autism and many other conditions may
can be contributing to a short attention span and subsequent frustrations.
And there's an ad there's again, all right, how to
reduce screen time? This is not homeschooling shit, but I

(40:34):
think this is a good one to read it short.
Would you like to read this one so I can
stand up and stretch?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah? I can do that, So jumping into the bullet
points designated screen free times for the family. Meal times,
car rides, family knights, and bedtimes should be screen free moments.
Commit to this as a family. That means no phone
for you either. If you can't figure out what's talk about,
look up some fun conversation starters in advance, or choose
a board game everyone will love. Set an example for

(41:00):
your children. If they see you on the phone all
day long, they're going to mimic that behavior. Find other
ways to entertain yourself in your spare time and encourage
your children to do the same. Plan for outdoor activities.
Something as simple as a nightly walk in the neighborhood
or an hour of backyard play time will do wonders
for family bonding and your mental health. Participate in your

(41:22):
child's screen time. If your child is playing games or
interacting on social media, be a part of the process.
You can also invite your child to play a game
with you online or watch a funny video on your phone.
This encourages open communication about social media, which could limit
dangers later on. Create a weekly schedule with screen time allotted.
This is the can't beat them, join them approach. Rather

(41:44):
than forbidding screens completely, set specific times for online gaming
or playing on the phone. This will tell your children
exactly when they can use their screens, and it will
eliminate the can I please conversations. Explore new hobbies together.
This is the perfect opera to try something new as
a family. Maybe you're a family that loves to paint
rocks or do puzzles together on the dining table. Maybe

(42:07):
you're a bowling family or a Forts in the living
room family.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
We are a Forts and the Lunarroom family.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yes we are. There is an endless world of possibilities
waiting for you outside the screens.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Okay, so now that we've read a whole bunch of
these things, I would like to just have an easy
discussion for the next sent or fifty minutes, and we'll
wrap up. None of this is shaming parents who don't
want a homeschool. Right. If you guys don't want to homeschool,
this episode's not for you. Right. If you have ever
contemplated the idea of homeschooling, there's a lot of information here.

(42:41):
There's a lot of resources that could actually benefit you
in terms into moving into that. Our kids are currently
in a public school system. Yes, the goal for us
is to get them homeschooled, and we have all these
dreams and aspirations. I think our kids would fucking thrive.
I think that having an eight hour school day for
a six year old, knowing that they're not going to

(43:01):
be able to focus for the full eight hours, we
could probably get their schooling done in less than three hours.
I really wish that I could find that article, because
there was one that just talked about the time frames
that kids needed. Yep, I found it. Okay, fuck yeah,
I found the article that I was wanting, and this
was the thing that I wanted to touch on. And

(43:21):
I know that I said we were going to just
do it, we were just going to converse, but I'm
excited about this, okay. So here here are the average
time that they're recommending for pre K kids. Twenty minutes
a day minimum maximum sixty minutes of learning like dedicated
learning time. But you only do that sixty minutes three

(43:43):
to five minutes at a time. It's really not hard
to spend three to five minutes over the course of
a day to reach sixty minutes of learn time. Kindergarten
a minimum of thirty minutes a day, a maximum of
ninety minutes, also three to five minutes, and sustained attention
one to two is forty five minutes a day, minimum
ninety minutes maximum five to ten minutes at a time

(44:06):
three to five sixty minutes a day, one hundred and
twenty minutes a day, maximum ten to fifteen minutes. Here's
where things get interesting. At six to eight years old
class it says class notin minutes per day, fifteen minutes
a day, totally ninety minutes a day per class, so
you get fifteen minute classes, reaching minutes at a minimum,

(44:26):
at a max thirty minutes at a time, one hundred
minutes one hundred and eighty minutes a day, and you
do one subject area per class. So this is what
we were talking about a minute ago. If you've got
fifteen minutes that you can give your kid to do math,
fifteen minutes later, you go to reading, fifteen minutes you
go to science. However you want to do that nine
to twelve years old class is twenty minutes totally in
one hundred and twenty minutes a day, minimum or maximum

(44:48):
classes forty five minutes total of two hundred seventy minutes
per day. Knowing that forty five minute maximum class, that's
the longest you can go from age nine to twelve
for one subject. You're looking at what three hours, four
hours tops to get through the things that they need,
and the rest of that could be extracurricular fun, learning shit.

(45:11):
And you can break that up throughout the day. You
could literally do two classes before lunch, two classes after
lunch and let the kids do their thing. And if
you've got multiple kids and you're having kids over, like
they can do a class and then go play, go
take an hour recess, come back inside. We're gonna do
another subject, and we're gonna have lunch. We're gonna relax
for fifteen twenty minutes. We're gonna do another hour, recess,
another hour, go skateboard, go do whatever you want to do.

(45:35):
We don't need eight hour school days. Even at kids
up to twelve years old. Two hundred and seventy minutes
is ninety hours. No, we don't need that much. I
really do believe that it comes down to creating a
daycare so that parents can work. I'm really glad that

(45:56):
I say I found this chart. I'm gonna save this
image and post it to the discord. Okay, hotness, hotness
ever deem Peaches Burkett aka missus Burkett aka my wife.
What do you think would be the most beneficial thing
to our kids if we were to yank them out
of school right now in homeschool them.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
The one on one attention they would receive and the
understanding of the way they learn.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
We have four adults that are very active with helping
the kids right now, You and I, Carrie and their dad.
When they're at their dads on the weekend, all of
us get a very different version of the children when
we are teaching them. Little man responds best to me.
I can sit down and bang out his homework faster
than all three of you, and it's because he doesn't
want to look dumb. He wants to impress me, and

(46:45):
he wants to be a good man. He has this
idea of who I am in his head as a man.
So when we sit down and do shit, he's focused.
And when I know he stops his focus, I get
on him a little bit and he rails him back
in and we get it done. Princess does not do that.
I can handle the home. I can do the work
with little man all day long. She frustrates the shit

(47:05):
out of me. Yeah, that's not my department. And as
a dad, like if I was able to work full
time and come home and help with the homeschooling and
do the hard subjects with little man, it would work.
It just comes down to being able to figure out
how it works. She wants to do the arts. I
truly believe she will be an artist of some degree
she grows up, whether it's dance or physical art or

(47:27):
writing or whatever the case may be. She has that
dream of beauty. Does that make sense? She wants to
impress everyone with her talents, and I think that's where
she's going to excel. But knowing our kids and knowing
the way that they behave that one on one time
would be able to nurture that growth. We would be

(47:49):
able to cultivate that mindset for them and give it
to them in a way that is going to be
most of their learning days. If he wants to be
a geologist and wants to learn out about bugs and dirt,
we have to get through math writing first. Then we're
going to learn about dirt, bud, let's go. Yep. I
just think that that one on one attention is not
something that they will ever get in school, and that
I guess that falls into the unschooling right Like that,

(48:09):
I just the new topic, new language. I didn't know
that was a thing. But giving individualized, personalized learning off
of the things that they want to learn about makes sense.
Like that's like a no dud to me.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
The kids get into the car and I hear things
from other children in school that worries me, Like what,
there's this little girl in our son's class. She has
behavioral issues, and she is beginning to escalate with the
things that she's saying. She's becoming more extreme with It's

(48:45):
not that I don't like you, now I want to
kill you.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, And she's mean to everybody in the class, She bullies,
she says things to hurt people's feelings on purpose, and
from my understanding, because I've also spoken to the teacher
about this, she's just becoming more disruptive in the class,

(49:11):
becoming more disrespectful to the teacher. You know, monkey see
monkey do? Children are start fallowing suit and I don't
want the kids exposed to that. I don't want them
to see that behavior. And I think that that's okay. Well,
she's able to get what she wants in class when
she throws a temper tantrum. So I'm going to throw

(49:32):
a temper trantrum and then the teacher is going to
leave me alone because.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
It worked for her.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
It worked, right.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Is this in our son's class? Yeah, that explains why
his behavior has changed.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah, So I think the I want to control their
social interaction is just a little bit more for as
long as I can.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Well, I mean, and we spoke on the social interactions earlier.
That makes sense. Yeah, if you have a good environment
where your kids can thrive and they are safe, why
wouldn't you want them to be there? If you can
engage and have the conversations and teach them things and
they get it, the way that you explain it, they're
going to thrive. You'd send them off to the world
and let other people parent your children, You're not going

(50:15):
to get a good result. I worry about that.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, you know. And we had a conversation. I'm almost
certain that you were in the car for this conversation
where I was letting the children know, like, oh, yeah,
this was the night that we went to the reading
thing at the school. I told the children that you
know how you come home and we're excited to see you,
and we spend time together and we read together, we
watch movies, and we shower you with kisses and hugs,

(50:41):
and I read to you at night. Not all children
have that at home, right, And I was trying to
explain to them that not all families are the same.
So you know that one girl who's acting out in
class and is saying all these really awful things and
hurting people's feelings and bullying people, I bet she doesn't
go home to a happy environment. And like, I think

(51:04):
they're kind of getting the idea of what I'm trying
to say, but I think it's also flying over their heads.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I think they understand it to a degree, but I
don't think they understand the abuse aspect, which is good.
They don't need to. Yeah, I agree, I think that
they don't understand the full capacity of it. I do
think that you do a good enough job explaining it
to them from a place of they get showered with
love and other kids probably don't. And that's probably as
far as that needs to go. I think you do
a good job in that, so good.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
I appreciate you the wind. Thank you. I want them
to be I mean, they're just now getting to the point,
you know, seven years old is when they start to
the brain gets to a point of recognizing that, like
consciousness starts happening. And I want them to be aware
of other life experiences and to have compassion and not

(51:53):
just frustration or I want to help them understand a
little bit more because it bothers their son. He doesn't
understand why she's so mean to everybody, right, And I
actually had a pretty proud moment of him the other day.
He told me that there was a new girl in
class and she was getting picked on and he was like,
I'm not okay with that, mommy. I told him that

(52:16):
they needed to stop they started being mean to me,
But I didn't like it that they were being mean
to my new friends. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
It's a proud parent moment. Yeah for sure. Yeap wasn't
prepared for that one, Thanks babe.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Sorry, that's uh.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
He's doing the gentleman thing he is.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
He's doing the protector thing, which.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Is wild to me because he's afraid of everything. Yeah,
at least he's not afraid of people, or at least
kids his own age, or being picked on.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah, I think, out of everything to be scared of
in life, people become slaves being scared of other people,
and I don't want to. I wouldn't. I will hold
our hands. I will hold our son's hand every single
elevator we go into. Knowing that he's able to stand
up to humans the way that he.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Does, well, that's gonna I mean, I think eventually that's
going to be problematic too, though, because he's going to
end up getting berated by his friend group if he
can't go up in elevator or in Granted, he's six
and that's not something we do on a regular basis,
so it's new for him. But you know, it might
be one of those things where we just go somewhere
one day in an elevator and just go up and
down the fucking elevator for a couple hours until he

(53:37):
gets used to that movement, and we need to we
really there's other things outside that I don't want to
get in on the podcast that we need to get
done so that we can know for definitively these are
the issues that we're having. But I don't know. We're
an hour and seven in before the cut's probably gonna
be just under an hour because there was a whole
lot of cuts that need to be made, But I
would like to be and wrap up. Okay, if you

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Speaker 1 (56:29):
I guys all right,