June 20, 2025 • 46 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look up with count all the things with window on
the bottom all, Oh wow, is you You're my favorite view?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
But that's not you, and we are back.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Welcome back, you beautiful creatures.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Third time going live today to one private, one public,
no private, now private, and then maybe one more episode
after this. Yesterday I sent you a text message that said,
did you know that only the average person on only
fan makes Only Fans makes only one hundred and eighty
dollars a month? Yes, degrading themselves for one hundred and
eighty dollars or less a month. Yeah, that's like one
(00:47):
and a half door dash orders, right. Did you know
that the average person on only Fans that makes more
than one thousand dollars a month makes up ten percent
of the total user base. That's insane, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So I got that because I got dollars a month. Huh.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
That's not even a full time job. No, it's not
one thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
No, it's side money for people.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And they're the top ten percent of the of the website.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yea wild one of the top producing things on there
is actually a hearse Oh yeah I've seen that. Yeah,
Sean told me all about it.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, she she popped up in my YouTube feed. Yeah,
it's just her hearse yep. Crazy yep.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So yesterday when I was when I sent you that,
I sent you that because I got an email from
medium dot com. Somebody had wrote an article in the
very first one said only Fans is finally dead.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And I'm happy about it.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
And I'm happy about it. Yeah, And I was like, well,
I didn't know the their website, like is it taken down?
Like has it been banned? What's happening? Oh my god,
I gotta know. But instead of googling it, I just
clicked on the fucking article and I was like, this
would be a great thing to read for the podcast
because we talked about only Fans so much.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Jay said, go DoorDash and keep your asshole a secret.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I actually know people who are pulling up pulling a
rack a week, one thousand dollars a week doing DoorDash. Yeah,
but it's long hours. They're in a good city, like,
they're willing to work for it.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
They're also willing to drive to the bigger cities where
they can make money.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Right, yep. Do you want to jump into this.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, when Only Fans made its boom in twenty twenty,
everyone thought that this app would solve too big problems
unemployment in women's security. Really, did people really think that
we were in the middle of a pandemic and adult
workers would have a way to earn income while locked
in their houses without exposing themselves or being exploited by
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the industry.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Probably the sex industry.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I suppose.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I mean, if I were a lady of the night,
I wouldn't want people coming to my home to do that, right,
That makes sense. However, those already working in adult entertainment
were not the only ones who decided to use this platform.
Influencers began showing how much they were earning from the
comfort of their homes by just uploading photos and videos. No,
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we just upload photos and videos. These people are doing pornography.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Right, so not always though like that hers is, they're
making a ton of money. So here's the reality of
only Fans. OnlyFans has the stigma of pornography. If you
and I created an only Fans account and you just
did cooking things on it, we would be fucking shamed
to know end because we created an Only Fans But
if you create a Patreon and do the exact same thing,
there's nothing wrong with it. What you're doing matters. Bunny
(03:38):
Jelly Roll's wife had an Only Fans that was pulling
one hundred grand a month and it was all lingerie
photos risque, right, you could, you can. You can argue
for or against that, however you want to argue it.
But it's not porn. It's just shit you can see
on Instagram for free. The only difference is she was
posting shit on Only Fans and getting paid for it
instead of posting an Instagram hoping she's gonna get paid
for it. So it's one of those things that there
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is a cross there. People can sell photos of their feet,
you know the intent behind what they're doing. People are
buying that shit to fucking jerk off to it. It's
not innocent foot photos. So the intent behind what is
happening matters. But so it is just uploading photos and videos,
the amount of uploading. Just uploading photos and videos, though,
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people don't realize how long it takes to do what
we do. If you factor in the screening that just
Zack and Jenny do, the editing time that Carrie does,
our record time, the editing time, clipping time, all of
that shit, the handling, the social media aspect, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
We're fifteen hours per episode on average, and we're doing
four episodes a week. That is more than a fourth
(04:43):
full time job. Luckily, we're at a point now we're
able to pay people to do all of those jobs
so that we don't have to do with it all
on our own. But in the beginning, I fucking was,
and we were doing a lot more content in the
beginning than four episodes a week, because we're going we're
recording every.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Day, yeah, for hours.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
For hours, right, and that was my life. We recorded
and I edited it all fucking day until I went
to sit on the couch at nine o'clock at night,
and then you'd fall asleep and I go back and
edit some more like That was a very rough thing.
So it's not as simple as just uploading photos and videos.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yes, the reason I said that is because this is
specifically focusing on the adult entertainment aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right, I'm just throwing out other thoughts as it comes through.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Okay, people who had lost their jobs or had never
earned anything remotely similar were shocked making working through an
app increasingly attractive. There are some screen shots three influencers
showing their extraordinary earnings on the platform. The screen shots
came from x formerly known as Twitter.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
This person made fifty seven thousand, Oh no.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Eight fifty seven million.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
That's not in a month, though, that's in three years
they made. Oh my god, this person in one month
made twenty four thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
The last nine months they made almost one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That's insane.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, in less than a year, we had not only
well known stars from the adult entertainment world on this app,
but also regular models, big influencers, and even our school classmates.
All of them were making a lot of money from
people's curiosity to see someone ordinary or familiar uploading that
kind of content to the public for a fee. This
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app grew exponentially overnight thanks to social media and the
empowerment marketing model.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It was using. Such a bullshit fucking thing. Yes, I
don't see it as empowerment.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I don't either. You are literally a slave to the
people who are fetishizing you. This is also one of
the industries that will literally throw you away when you
are no longer beautiful by the end of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Hold on. I like the idea of what OnlyFans is.
It's Patreon, that's it. The only difference is there's no
rules to what you can post in terms of risque shit.
The idea of having a platform for influencers to charge
their user base for the con that they make so
they can do a job. We're doing the exact same
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thing through Patreon. If it wasn't for our Patreon, this
would have stopped. Yeah, we would not be doing this. Still,
we would went back to tattooing because there's more money
in tattooing than there is in podcasting. On that level,
we make decent money from Patreon or from Spreaker through
like our ads that we do, but YouTube money is trash. Yes,
TikTok money is going away, and those two things were
(07:23):
enough to cover our life. And then the Patreon money
actually made it so that we can do this and
hire people and do a lot more. So in that aspect,
I understand the need to have that as a creative
space to make sure that we're not getting dicked down
by the big fucking platforms. Instagram will not pay us. No,
we have almost three hundred thousand subscribers or followers on Instagram.
(07:44):
We have made one cent on Instagram the entire time
that we've been doing this. One penny. Facebook pays us,
but that didn't start until like the end of last year,
and it's very small money compared to Patreon. So like
that aspect of things makes a whole lot of sense
because you're basic setting up a subscription service for your content.
I totally get that, all right, guys. As you know,
(08:06):
there was a TikTok scare. We lost the app for
a whole twelve hours and we have no idea what
the future of the app looks like, and with that,
we are very concerned about the loss of our following.
We have a massed almost three million followers across that
platform with all four of our accounts, and we are
trying to push people to other social media platforms to
that in the event that anything happens on one app,
we have multiple other backup plans. If you want to
(08:28):
make sure that you're not missing any content, we highly
recommend that you check out our patreon.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
On Patreon, we have multiple tiers to choose from. Starting
at ten dollars, you begin to receive exclusive content at
fifteen dollars a month, you get access to our private
discord server where we've enmassed in an absolutely amazing community
of supportive people. And beyond that, we have other tiers
to check out, along with my two private women's group
if that's something you may be interested in.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Guys, on our fifteen dollar and higher tier, you have
access to live recordings. We record all of our content
three four, sometimes five time week live in front of
our Patreon audience, where they are able to chat with
us while we're recording. They can see all the flirting
and the outtakes, the hot topic conversations that never actually
make it on the podcast, and it's really worth that
aspect in itself. We have it after Dark, where we
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sit down usually once a week and have a glass
of bourbon or and Peach's case of glass of wine
and a bowl of cheese and we have a whole
lot of fun conversations karaoke in the discord we finish
the lyrics. We literally just hang out and you guys
get to hang out with us. There is a host
of other perks, including zoom calls, that are coming for
the Ultimate tier, so that if you guys are having problems,
you can talk to us. It also gives you with
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that you check it out.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
The best way to support what we are doing is
to share the content. The second best way is to
check out our Patreon. Thank you guys for being here.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I think that that aspect, it makes sense and it's
a good thing. Now, if they had created another website
that was not only fans or Patreon, they took less
of a percentage, because everybody takes a percentage. YouTube takes
thirty percent of everything we make. If somebody gives us
ten ten dollars super chat, they take three bucks right
off the top, which sucks, you know, especially after you
pay taxes at thirty five percent, You're getting fucking, you know,
(10:15):
less than half of what you were given. If there
was a website that took you know, two percent just
to host your shit pay for their server fees, everybody
would move over to that website would make a fucking killing,
and so would the content creators. I heard that Kick
is paying their content creators eighty percent of what they make.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh wow, Like the messaging app Kick, What is.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
That Kick is? I don't know if it's a messaging app.
But Kick created a platform like Twitch to go against Twitch.
The problem is is it's very hard to get built
on that. That's what Jeff Graham was talking about the
other day wearing the shop Gotcha because he's looking into
going on Kick because of TikTok going away.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
By the end of twenty twenty one, the company reported
almost one billion dollars in revenue, three times as much
as in twenty twenty, making even more people feel like
it was worth giving it a chance. It was the
perfect app to make money in the comfort of your
home without much effort, or so everyone inside said. The
problem is that many eighteen year old women who decided
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never to pursue a professional career because of the hype
of this app. Many women who had never considered being
a part of the adult entertainment industry decided to enter
just for the money. Many people have never considered the
long term impact because it was the best option.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I don't even think it was the best option. I
think that it was an option. It was an easy option,
and people want easy.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It's a lazy option.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It is lazy. I can make a whole lot of
money and not really have to work for it. That's
the American dream, right, right. I want to do as
little as possible, bake as much as I can, and
enjoy my life. I see nothing wrong with that. What
they don't think about at eighteen years old is the
next thirty, forty, fifty sixty years of your life.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
What happens if you make it big on OnlyFans and
people have downloaded all your shit and they have it
on their computers, and then you have a kid and
your kid goes to a private school because you made
a bunch of fucking money, and you turns out that
the kids teacher was one of your only Fans subscribers
at one point, or it gets out that you are
an only fans model. And now your son, who is
(12:08):
nine years old, has had all of his ten to
fifteen year old friends jerk off to his mom's content.
It's going to fuck your kid up.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
But in odd forbid, you have a daughter and they're
pushing her to be like you.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Right, and at eighteen years old, you're not thinking about
any of that. You're thinking about a quick fucking payday.
It's crazy to me that in some states you can't
buy a firearm at eighteen years old. You know, in
Florida you can't buy a pistol at eighteen. Wow, you
have to You can buy a rifle, you can buy
an AAR fifteen or a shotgun, but you can't buy
a handgun at eighteen in Florida you gotta be twenty one.
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But you can sell your fucking butthole on the internet
at eighteen legally. It's insane to me.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
It is why should I look for a job or
go to college If people are making ten thousand dollars
just recording themselves two hours a day on OnlyFans, the
average person is never going to see that. No, Well,
and I don't say this to be shitty. I don't
say this to hurt people's feelings or to attack anybody.
(13:05):
When I think of the average American woman, I'm thinking overweight.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, more than fifty percent of America is obest now,
So that's a first statement.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Depressed mentally ill. There's a lot of things going on,
and you haven't blown up on social media, so you're
advertising your only friends to your friends on Facebook and
your family on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
About the fact that's what you're.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Meaning, right, So they're selling a dream that is just
not achievable for what the average American woman is.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I think that even if you are all of those things,
if you have a following and move to only fans,
you'd make a fucking killing. Yeah, it wouldn't last very long.
People would go and pay it just to see you
naked or whatever it is that you're doing over there.
But again, that's not sustainable. So you take somebody who's
got like a five million follower thing on TikTok, TikTok
goes away, they decide to move to only fans because
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they got used to living off TikTok money and they're
trying to supplement their income. They go over there, they're
going to destroy the reputation. People who who have watched,
who have always been curious or had that fantasy about
that person, no longer has to have the fantasy because
all has been shown, and their reputation is going to
be tarnished because they've now exposed themselves. They're not going
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to be able to do anything but that. And after
that and they go back to social media, their fowing
is going to be so much less. And when people
find out that they did that, if they're vehemently against
those those kind of content, they're going to fucking lose
their their following, Right. And I don't know how anybody's
only doing that for two hours a day and making
that kind of money. You'd have to be famous already,
like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
If you're just an average Jane doing your day to
day life, Like we just talked about your You're posting
to what maybe three hundred friends on Facebook?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Friends, right, friends? Yeah, And even if they were all
the opposite sex and they were into you, what are
you gonna get like six or seven of them to
pay for your photos once for a month? Like, right?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
The long term investment from them is not going to
be a thing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
This is an industry that banks on a revolving door
desperate men, and well the desperate men is going to
kind of like segue into men who are trying to
find an end to get closer to the person who's
creating the content.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, I actually believe that's the bigger part of it. Yeah, yep,
especially like I've never actually used only fans. I've never
even like, I logged in and secured the name so
that nobody else could go on there and pretend to
be us, which I thought was really fucking smart. It
is uh And I actually don't even think that was
my idea. I think it might have been zachs. I
think it was Zach's idea, but it was done so.
(15:43):
But that's one of those things that I don't know
how it works if there's chat rooms that you can
talk to like a cam girl, and you're up there fucking,
you know, putting things in your buttthole because people are
telling you to do it, to give you tips, like
tell me that that's not degrading them, like wild to me.
You know that TikTok that I made about if you
were a man and you were getting behind on your mortgage,
(16:06):
would you push your wife to do OnlyFans so that
you didn't have to get a second job or however
I worded that. There are a lot of people in
there who are like, it's her decision, not yours. The
fuck it's not if I'm married, I have a decision
in this, and that decision is going to be She's
not going to do this because I'm not okay with it.
But that wasn't the question. The question was is how
would you feel about a man pushing you if you
were his wife to do that, Because there's a difference
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between a woman going hey, we could do this and
the man going, hey, you should do this, right, And
that was the conversation that was being had. People kept
going to her decision, it's her decision. You don't have
to say.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I think that's the feminazy of getting their fucking panties
and a bunch.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah the fuck I can walk away from this shit. Yeah,
I can choose not to be married to a fucking
porn star if that's my choice. So you're right, she
absolutely has a choice, and I have a choice whether
or not I want to be here. Yeah, I don't know.
Shit's wild to me, absolutely wild.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
For years, only fans seemed like the only answer to
becoming millionaires easily. From an external persponse, it was a
way to embrace yourself. Whomen took that as an opportunity
to have control over their bodies while having an amazing
lifestyle as a result. But how do you have control
over your body if you are having to cater to
specific demands to earn the money that you're trying to make.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm assuming that's what only fans is. I don't know
if that's actually the case. I actually knew. I had
a client once that was a cam girl work worker. Yeah,
and she told me that that's what she did. She
would be in a chat room and people would give
her big tips to do shit. So in my head,
that's what only fans is, right, only fans could be
like Patreon, where you just upload your content and people
pay for the content. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I would imagine that's a part of it. But if
you want to make more money, you're gonna have to
do specialized things. If someone's gonna pay you three hundred
dollars to do a very specific thing and your goal
is to make money, yeah, you're not going to turn
that down and be like, no, go look at my
photos for two ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, that's true. I could see that being a thing,
But again, that speaks to them trying to pay for
an ind right continuing.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
But like everything that grows exponentially thanks to the novelty
and hype of the people, only fans began to decline
little by little, and today I can say that the
app is finally dying. But why do I think this
is an end of the app? And why am I
happy about it? If it was a source of income
for many people. I will explain it here Why Only
Fans is dead. From twenty twenty to twenty twenty one,
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this app was on everyone's lips. It was a novelty,
and everyone who decided to work on it was categorized
as empowered or a future millionaire. Disagree with that statement.
I did not categorize people who used only Fans as
sex work that way me.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Either, Yeah, as either one of those. Yeah, I also
want to I know that, like maybe this is my age.
When I was younger, being a millionaire was like a
big fucking deal. Knowing that there are people out there making,
you know, thirty forty thousand dollars a month doing content
creation and all of that shit, and knowing how deflated
our dollar is devalued. Our dollar is. A million dollars
(18:56):
is not a lot of money after taxes. If you're
in that tax ber bracket, you probably gonna pull six
hundred thousand a year minus your expenses. And then like
the cost of living is so fucking high, like a
million dollars isn't what it used to be. A million
dollars used to be able to retire off of that
and live the rest of your life off of the interest.
I don't think you could do that now.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
No, I think that would be gone in three years.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I think it would be gone in less than that.
If we had a million dollars right now, just paying
off our house in our car car notes.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Will oh yeah, no, it would be gone.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
They'd be gone. Yeah, after taxes, it would be gone.
So Jay Bentley say, a millionaire nowadays is nothing. It's not.
Most people are millionaires on paper, not liquid exactly exactly.
Liquid assets is a very different conversation. Everybody talks about
how rich Elon Musk is. It's not liquid. It's all
in other things. It's how your boy's paying taxes.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Continuing, Almost everyone who wasn't on the platform making money
had at least one influencer who was curious to see
their content. Almost everyone who wasn't on the platform making
money had at least one influencer. Oh so they had
one influencer who they were curious to see their content. Okay,
when only fans first became popular, being part of that
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app made you smart. People were already exposing themselves on Instagram,
so why not show it a little bit more and
monetize it.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, And I as much as I disagree with what
they're doing, I understand and can respect that because not
paying you right, and if you're okay with showing yourself
in a bikini, laingerie is no fucking different, So why
not get paid for that? I get that. I totally
get it. You know, the amount of women that we
see in jim fucking leggings with their ass cock so
(20:37):
they see voluptuous because they'll get likes. Instagram ain't paying
them for that. Facebook ain't. The clothing they sell and
the sponsorship endorsements sell. But they could sell those pictures
on fucking on a website and make a lot of
money doing that. That I get. But I also don't
think that's the same thing as fucking porn. I think
that there is. That's that's like.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I view it as soft core.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
It is a step to it. It's a gateway drug. Yeah, yeah,
it's a gateway drug because it feeds the attention, it
feeds the dopamine. It makes you feel like you're doing something.
You get some money from it. That line, it gets
very blurry, and then eventually there's a new line, and
a new line and a new line. It's a gateway drug.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Continuing, you couldn't go on Twitter or Instagram without seeing
a story or tweet about how amazing this platform was
and how people marketed the app seems even unreal. And
then there's two screenshots taken from I'm assuming this is
Twitter x Yeah. Both of these are from twenty twenty one.
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One said, only fans just bought me a three bedroom
apartment in Miami. Only fans didn't do that. Men and
women who were simping after you and were willing to
pay to see you sexualized, did that, right?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Okay? And it's an apartment, not an not like a condo.
It's you don't own that shit, you're renting. It didn't
buy you shit. You got your first classes security, good job, right,
the same thing as the other thing they got a
flat at nineteen but that yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
It's you know, it was as if they wanted to
glamorize this lifestyle on purpose, making people feel that it
was okay as long as they were making money. But
in the end, it was just a marketing strategy. By
the platform owners to attract both customers and content creators.
It's real easy to create a fake account, post a
(22:25):
bunch of photos pull them from the internet. One of
those pictures was just a chick's hand with keys. Right,
post that photo and say, just bought my first place
with OnlyFans. Yeah, we don't even know if the people
who are posting this are real people continuing, but the
reality was that only ten percent of creators made more
than one thousand dollars a month there.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
It's not even a part time job. No, gotta be honest,
It's been so long since I've worked a normal wage
job because of the tattoo career. I'm disconnected from that.
But thousand dollars a month is not a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
That's not That's not even one of our car payments.
So all the regular people who entered there to see
if they could become millionaires just got disappointed when they
didn't reach what other influencers proment promised. So when the
hype slowed down, people realized that it wasn't as easy
as the influencers made it seem.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And the content is now on the Internet, whether you
want it to be or not.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
You can delete your whole only fans page, but the
people who downloaded and saved and shared it, it's there
to be there forever.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yep. Yep.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
If you didn't have a social media presence, what a
famous figure, or had an aggressive marketing team behind you,
you wouldn't make money there. People discovered that the work
involved in getting to four figures was incredibly high, almost
as much as any other content creator. But in this
case you were exposing yourself more than any influencer on
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different apps.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I agree with that, yep. I don't think people realize
how much work goes into all of this now, the
amount of people that create podcasts that do one or
two episodes and fizzle the fuck out because they don't
make it huge right away. We were doing live streams
for nine people, yeah, regularly. In the beginning. I remember going,
can you imagine if we get ten people to subscribe
(24:08):
to our Patreon? And then we got ten, I was like,
oh my god, could you imagine if we get one hundred?
Like it took a long fucking I mean, we did
it quickly, but in terms of like instant gratification, it
took a while. You know, we live in the Amazon era.
We can get whatever the fuck we want here in
a day or two. So people do it one episode,
think they're gonna blow the fuck up and get three
people to watch, like, oh, this sucks, and they get
discouraged and they quit. The people who have big YouTube channels.
(24:30):
There's content creators who did this for years with no fans,
and then one person saw their shit, shared it, and
it blew them the fuck up. But it took a
whole lot of work to get there, and a whole
lot of like reinventing yourself and trying to find the
thing that makes you the niche that people want to watch.
It's a lot of fucking work. Ye, it's why most
content creators fail.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
There's a dude on Twitch. I think he's one of
the highest content creators on Twitch now. For like two
years he only streamed to his dad.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, one person, it was his dad. I actually saw
that that dude's article.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Iggy just said in the comments, I'm pretty sure the
girl who slept with a thousand dudes in one day
was an of girl. I'm almost certain she is, And
I'm almost certain she's the same chick who just had
to get asshole reconstruction surgery.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Because she took fifty in the button one day.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
And one day, yeah, damaged herself to the point that
she had to get reconstruction surgery on her sphincter.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That's insane, it is, it's gross.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Continuing consumers who had never been adult media consumers also
realized that paying certain content creators monthly for exclusive photos
was pointless. The pandemic was no longer a problem, and
people started going out again, finding new things to invest
their time in. Right now, the average creator makes only
one hundred and eighty dollars a month. Positioning yourself is
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incredibly difficult if you haven't had a presence on this
platform before, and people who are making five figures a
month at the beginning now find it difficult to reach
one thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
What it comes down to, that is exactly what that is.
Like you said earlier, it's the revolving door.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
And now it's such a saturated market. Why would they
watch your content?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Right? Or I have to pay that kind of money?
Right You might have been a big deal at some point,
but somebody younger than you was charging a whole lot less.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Something that made this up incredibly popular In the beginning,
was the novelty of seeing different faces and even famous
people using it. But since it's not something new, people
who aren't fans of adult content have already lost interest
in paying for someone random, and those who are fans
simply moved to professional actresses.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Again, you missed a paragraph, did I? Yeah? Oh, if
you think about it, no one talks about this platform
as a solution of poverty anymore, because it never was.
People realized that it was not easy as social media
wanted to make it seem in the hypes and blanded.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Before reading that. I was going to say, I am
all about letting an apprentice tattoo artists tattoo one tattoo
on me. You get one, like.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
If you were due to do their apprenticeship or just
as a random friend.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Not a random friend, but like if I had a
friend who I was loyal to and they were trying
to get their career going, you can do on tattoo
on me. Other than that, I'm gonna pay good money
for the professional to do amazing artwork on me.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I get that that's what this is.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Why would they be paying an amateur who has shitty equipment,
not knowing what they're doing filming in their messy bedroom
when they can go and watch the actress who's been
doing this for ten years and has a full team
behind her.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Right and with there's websites that this shit's free on anyways.
So the reason that people are paying is because they
have a following or they're famous. Yeah, that's really the
only reason why that people would pay for that shit.
Or they're going to pay you to do some really stupid, nasty,
dirty shit, and because you need the money, you're going
to do it. That's how I view it.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
People who were never interested in adult content initially saw
OnlyFans as a business case study. Many newspapers even wrote
amazing news about women who became millionaires after quitting their
regular jobs. But now it is not relevant anymore. So
people just stopped caring about the amazing story of the
regular teacher who start to making five figures overnight. Just
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want to pause right there. If I found out that
our our child's kindergarten teacher was also doing only Fans,
I would have her moved to another classroom. That is
how strongly against that I am. So the app just
became something we used to know, but not something we
like to talk about.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
There's still people that are signing up to that app
and using it though.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, you also have to do more and more extreme
things like that chick who slept with a thousand dudes
in a day to continue garnering attention to keep the
money flow coming.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yep. Heather said that a lot of these OnlyFans content
things is a content farm that are involved in human trafficking.
I don't know how true that is, but it's definitely
something to consider. Create a fake account and get a
girl to do camgirl shit and then talking to another
young person you know, well you want to meet up.
I could see how that would be a thing.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
That's definitely a thing why I'm happy about it, even
if it sounds selfish on my part. Many people started
creating content on the platform without considering and the long
term real consequences this could have on them. If you
go to the YouTube, if you go to the YouTube
I Sound like I'm sixty.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
If you go to the YouTube.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
If you go to YouTube and search for the reality
of Only Fans, you will see stories from thousands of
women who regret having joined the platform, and the only
reason they did it in the first place was for
the easy money. The majority of people who were never
eager to expose themselves. They just got tricked by thinking
this was a solution to their current problems. A former
(29:35):
content creator on this platform explains that social media painted
a different picture for her than the one she actually
experienced on this platform. She believed that by making content
alone at home, she would be protected from predators, but
many men looked for a way to reach her, and
she even had to move.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Out of the States. That's insane.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
That's insane. That is absolutely insane to me. We go
out in public and people see us and start crying. Yeah,
because of the way that we have presented ourselves online,
the way that we help people, the way that we
share our knowledge. We impact people's lives, and there is
a reaction in people when they see us. I couldn't
(30:14):
imagine being an OnlyFans creator and then going out in
public and having men look at me.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Or having somebody that pays for your OnlyFans with a
parasocial relationship come up and grab you.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Right or stalk me back home. Yeah, I'm good on that.
The glorious life that many influencers promise was not there either.
Ninety percent of the content creators didn't make enough to
even pay their rent. Ninety percent of content creators didn't
make enough to even pay their rent.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Jay said they didn't get tricked. They knew exactly what
they were doing. They took the easy route for the money.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Now that we can see that platform's reality, people are
already considering it several times before feeling that they have
to do it for the money. So the fact that
this app is no longer in everyone's mouth, nobody sees
it as female empowerment anymore, as helping those women who
never wanted to be a part of the adult entertainment
in the first place to look for other options and
not seeing this app as the only solution. The long
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term effects of consuming this content are also negative. It
can cause addiction, isolation, aggression, and self esteem problems. It
can be bad for your marriage because it can cause
idealistic and esteem problems. It can reduce your effort in
the relationship, make you think your relationship is on bad terms,
or make you feel like your partner doesn't love you enough.
(31:33):
Speaking on the self esteem issues from the creator aspect,
I couldn't imagine right. I don't view women as competition
to me or a sisterhood. Everybody can learn something from everybody.
In this context, women are one hundred percent in competition
with each other. My self esteem would tank if I
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went from making ten thousand dollars a month to barely
breaking one hundred and eighty dollars.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Right, because you put your value your self worth in
like what you bring to the world solely on your
parents and what you're.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Able to make, what I can do sexually.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Jenna said, none of these women will ever be trust
a trusted friend too. Most women have insecurities. You think
that they're going to stay friends with an of girl
that they trust around her man. Which makes me think
about the fact that when you get used to being
flirty and being that way to men to make money,
that's going to become your personality and you're going to
find yourself doing it in situations where it's abolutely inappropriate
to do it. Yep, And she's absolutely right. You will
absolutely lose friends over that shit. Yep.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Verbally knock somebody's teeth. Then, Also, many people didn't know
what a digital footprint was, and I feel that now
many people are more aware of this term and are
analyzing it better. In twenty twenty. Paying for an influencer
on this app was seen as a way to support
a person you admired, but the reality is that you
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are simply a part of a market that has been
destructive for years. Just because many people have tried to
portray it as something positive doesn't mean that it really was.
Just because a thief shows you that he is using
the money for a luxurious life or helping others does
not make stealing a good thing. And now that the
money is not there, people now know it is not
(33:14):
worth the risk. Finally, as a person who does not
consume this type of content, I have always found it
uncomfortable the way in which these content creators have tried
to sexualize everything just to sell themselves. I had to
leave Twitter for a while because all I saw on
that app was explicit content. Every time a tweet went viral,
no matter the topic, you could see at least three
(33:36):
comments from OnlyFans creators trying to promote their.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Accounts because you're not making money.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I had to unfollow many content creators and models that
I liked because they changed their content to something more
explicit just to promote their accounts. Before of I followed
comedians fashion bloggers and girls decorating their homes. But when
the app blew up, many of these women change their content,
changing what I liked about them.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, there you go. That's exactly what I was just
talking about. You have a following, decide you're going to
start moving over there to do that content. You've destroyed
all of that shit. I'm willing to bet that there's
an influx and OnlyFans from female creators if TikTok goes away.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Oh, I believe it.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, because there's no other social media platform that's paying
the way that TikTok does, and the TikTok pays it's
not a lot.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I think the most that we ever made on that
app was the month that we'd gained two hundred thousand
subscribers or followers. In a single month, we made like
eight thousand dollars. But we average between three and four
grand a month on TikTok. But there have been months
where we've only made like a thousand. You've had months
on your personal account we've only on four hundred bucks.
Like I post four to five times a day on
our TikTok, which is why we make the money that
(34:40):
we make. Yeah, it's fucking insane to me, but you watch,
there will absolutely be a shift to some sort of platform.
I know that there are upcoming apps like Neptune that's
supposed to be like a more like inclusive TikTok, whatever
the fuck that's supposed to mean. TikTok already goes against
(35:01):
conservative creators kind of hard, so I'm assuming Neptune will
probably do the same thing. But they're making it so
that you can monetize the moment you get on the app.
We've already got our name scheduled for that shit. So like,
if we can get onto Neptune at the end of
the month when the beta goes for iPhones, we can
start posting there and seeing how that goes. But something's
going to have to give. If TikTok doesn't stay, and
(35:23):
if TikTok does sell and becomes by the time this releases,
this will be irrelevant because this will be released in June,
but in April April fifth or sixth. If it does
close in the app, oh I'm sorry. If it doesn't
close in the app gets sold to somebody else. China's
made it very clear that they're not going to sell
the algorithm so if they sell the name and sell
the app, a new algorithm would have to be in
(35:44):
place to make it work, and like the deals of
a sale, would only have to go to the President
because he's the one that has to agree to it.
Going through. Beyond that, the public will never know what's what.
We'll just see changes in the way that the app
has ran. We're already seeing that though. In the last
seventy five days, seventy days that the extension has been done,
we're seeing ads for Facebook. There's been a whole lot
(36:06):
of like terms of service changes. They're making changes to
get rid of the algorithm so that they can sell
the fucking app. I promise that what's happening. Yeah, because
the market in the United States is such a big
market for TikTok that for them to lose the United
States markets would kill them to make a huge chunk
of change in one shot, fifty billion dollars or sell
that shit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I've had to block many TikTok users because they do
too much rage bait to try and get attention and
get their users to move to their personal links. I
know some of you may be thinking, but desiree if
you're not searching those types of content, you won't see it.
Something may be wrong with your algorithm. But as a
software engineer, I can confirm that no algorithm is one
(36:47):
hundred percent perfect, and anyone who uses social media at
least five percent knows that from time to time you
get content you don't consume just because others liked it,
or because the algorithm had some shift.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Somebody said in the chat, isn't TikTok a Singapore company?
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Now?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
No, it's still owned by the by China. The CEO
is from Singapore. That algorithm shift is normal. Every once
in a while I'll get a thirst trap thing. You
just scroll past it. We're not interested in this content.
That works for TikTok, it doesn't work for anything else.
I really think the answer is a chronological timeline. That's
why Instagram got so fucking popular. There was no politics,
(37:24):
there's no video. It was literally just people showing pictures
of their life for their friends. And when you logged in,
it was newest post to oldest post, and when you
got to the oldest post, it said you're now viewing
older shit. Mm hm. I fucking loved Instagram when it
first came out. I posted on that shit constantly because
of my photography, Instagram's not the same anymore. So others
to that.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
The lack of OnlyFans and real marketing is making social
media cleaner again, making them more familiar and peaceful environments.
I don't mind if you have only fans as long
as you respect other social networks. This didn't happen in
the beginning because too many users tried to overexpose themselves
just to mart their accounts.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yes, did you still see it?
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
It's nowhere near as much as in the beginning, but
you still see it.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
The death of only Fans will be positive for many
young people. Just because only Fans is no longer profitable
from many people doesn't mean that those people will no
longer be able to afford food, or that there will
be homeless people more homeless people. Whenever there is a
need and people who need to make money, there will
(38:27):
be new forms of business. So if this app is
no longer profitable, it will only mean that young women
will no longer consider it as a career to pursue.
I know a lot of girls who want to turn
eighteen just so they can make money on this app.
I don't think this will be a common thing anymore,
will live in the hut in the middle of nowhere.
(38:49):
Before I allowed our daughter to be on only.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Fans eighteen, you have no say. That's the reality of it,
and that's why all these girls want to turn eighteen
so they can do then.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I don't think i'd be able to have a relationship
with our daughter.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I get that the disappointment would be real.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
It would be very real. I would be disgusted, I
would be disappointed. I'd be disheartened.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I would feel like a failure.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
I would feel like a failure. Yeah, she has so
much to offer to the world. Many women will start writing,
creating content on other platforms and return to college. Many
people will stop believing they are stupid for not exposing themselves,
and many people will stop seeing sexualization as something positive
(39:34):
and empowering. Only Fans isn't just going to cease to
exist overnight. But we already know this app's reality, And
I'm glad that what this app was when it started
as dead. Because the owners can no longer fool people
with unrealistic marketing of what it really is. This app
is no longer the ultimate way to have a luxurious life.
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It no longer gives you the power to become a
millionaire overnight, and is no long longer the ultimate place
to use if you want to change jobs. It's simply
a tool for specific content creators.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
There are other tools if you're a content creator.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Prostitution in any form will never be the definitive answer.
I'm glad influencers have stopped glamorizing a life that isn't
for everyone in order to attract people who should never
have been on this app in the first place. It's
great that adult workers found a safer platform to work on,
but it should have stayed that way from the start.
A platform for adults and not the solution to problems
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for any young girl who wanted quick money. I agree
with that. I know that there are going to be
women out there who die on the hill that this
is what they were born to do.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, to.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Be that, and I'm not here to tell you how
to live your life. I disagree with it wholeheartedly. I
will never be that woman. We just won't be friends.
You can live your life and be happy and get
your bag and then spend it on whatever you want and
fill your cup up. However you need to fill your
(41:09):
cup up. You can do it over there.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
You know how easy it would be for somebody who
has a lot of money to get on that app
and find somebody that's eighteen years old who's struggling for
money and send them a message like, Hey, I'm a
legit millionaire, I'm on a yacht right now. I need
a companion for the next six months. I'll give you
fifty thousand dollars. And that young girl at eighteen years
old and never having that kind of money making one
hundred and eighty dollars a month ago, I'm down, buy
(41:34):
the plane ticket. And then she disappears.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah, yeah, did you hear this just happened? A girl
went to an OnlyFans party and she turned up dead
on the side of the road, didn't I didn't hear that.
I think that happened a day or two ago. But
it's starting to get mass coverage right now.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Insane, yep, dangerous it is.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
This isn't This isn't an environment where gentlemen are hanging out. No,
this isn't an environment where protectors are going to be
to ensure that you get home safely. This is sin
and debauchery.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Well, you're advertising yourself as a sex sex object, So
you're going to be treated that way, especially with people
who have money that know you have a price, and
your price is as low as one hundred and eighty
dollars a month. Yeah, it's a lot when you really
fucking break it down like that, Jay said, you hear
that a lot out here. People fly them into Vegas
and they disappear. I believe that. That's why I believe it.
(42:27):
That's why Troy and Change Unchained goes out to Vegas
once a year and does major fucking you know, find
these children. It happens.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
I'm happy that the other social media's started gaining control
over the content and that not everything is sexualized anymore.
I like to enter x or Instagram without having to
see thousands of models doing weird things to attract people.
I can follow girls for their fashion taste again without
worrying if they're going to start promoting their other accounts.
I am also at peace because teenage girls are no
(42:58):
longer waiting to be of age just to enter this
app without knowing the real consequences that can cause them
in the long time.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
In the long term, yeah, Heather said, I do not
think only fans is dying. It might be shifting and
maybe not popular in specific locations, but I don't think
it's leaving the same with dating sites in Craigslist. I
remember the Craigslist thing. I remember. I know somebody that
used to use Craigslist as a dating app, like an
escort service. They would get on there and because you
(43:25):
couldn't sell your body, they would say kisses or roses,
and that was a way to put a price in
an ad so that they could sell themselves as an
escort on Craigslist. And I don't know if Craigslist is
even a thing anymore. It's been a long time since
I've tried to look because everybody used Facebook marketplace now.
But I used to buy and sell motorcycles on Craigslist
like crazy, and then the scammers got on there. I
(43:47):
don't think that it'll ever go away. I think that
the glamorization of it is what's dying. And because that
is dying and people are not looking at it in
a favorable light anymore, that's a good thing. I would
like to see sex work as it as a whole
stop being glamorized and considered a you know, I understand
there are people that we have fans who do sex
(44:07):
work and that's fine, that's your job. I personally think
that it's dangerous and I don't think that it should
be glamorized. If that's what you're doing, that's your choice.
I wouldn't want my woman doing that. I wouldn't want
my daughter doing that. I don't want to consume that content, right, So,
like there is a need and a want for everybody
out there. It's this false kind of into the conversation
(44:28):
that we had about the pomegranate thing. There are people
who are okay having their friends call them pussy whipped
and fucking make a bunch of jokes and degrade them
and like make fun of them because they love their woman.
I'm not that guy, So I'm not the market for
that type of shit. I understand there are people that
are the market. So it's like the Hangover movies. I
didn't find enjoyment any of those. I thought they were
all dumb as fuck. Yeah, they were box office huge hits.
(44:52):
I'm just not the market. There will be a market
for that shit, it's just not me. Bell said that
it is still up and people still use it for
that type of work. Wild I think that a lot
of this comes down to also the people that are
not thinking the long term about this shit. When you
think instant money, quick money goes fast, tattoo artists, drug dealing,
and it's all the same shit, prostitution, it's quick money,
(45:14):
it goes quick. You're not gonna have any type of
real retirement because you know that you can just go
make that kind of money again tomorrow. So you don't
say if you blow it on drugs or big TVs
or cars or whatever it is, and then you're fucking
broke and you might look like you got money, but
in reality you've only got a couple hundred dollars to
your name. And that's that. You don't think about the
long term effects either. That it comes down to what
your future is going to look like. What if you
like the chick you used to do only fans that
(45:35):
became a Christian like that, that's a part of your past.
You're gonna find a good Christian man and he's gonna
know you've been ran through. He's not gonna want you right.
There are people out there who will totally be okay
with it, but the men that you might be trying
to secure in the future may not be. And then
you know, there's that narrative that we see on podcasts
all the time, like the Whatever podcast where girls are like,
(45:55):
my man will just accept that you don't have a man, right.
You have a bunch of men who are paying for
your shit for a little while because you're temporary to them,
like they're basically painting you're a prostitute. They're giving you
money for your time. Yes, they're not trying to wipe you.
There's a difference.
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Welcome back, you beautiful creatures.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Third time going live today to one private, one public,
no private, now private, and then maybe one more episode
after this. Yesterday I sent you a text message that said,
did you know that only the average person on only
fan makes Only Fans makes only one hundred and eighty
dollars a month? Yes, degrading themselves for one hundred and
eighty dollars or less a month. Yeah, that's like one
(00:47):
and a half door dash orders, right. Did you know
that the average person on only Fans that makes more
than one thousand dollars a month makes up ten percent
of the total user base. That's insane, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So I got that because I got dollars a month. Huh.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
That's not even a full time job. No, it's not
one thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
No, it's side money for people.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And they're the top ten percent of the of the website.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yea wild one of the top producing things on there
is actually a hearse Oh yeah I've seen that. Yeah,
Sean told me all about it.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, she she popped up in my YouTube feed. Yeah,
it's just her hearse yep. Crazy yep.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So yesterday when I was when I sent you that,
I sent you that because I got an email from
medium dot com. Somebody had wrote an article in the
very first one said only Fans is finally dead.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And I'm happy about it.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
And I'm happy about it. Yeah, And I was like, well,
I didn't know the their website, like is it taken down?
Like has it been banned? What's happening? Oh my god,
I gotta know. But instead of googling it, I just
clicked on the fucking article and I was like, this
would be a great thing to read for the podcast
because we talked about only Fans so much.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Jay said, go DoorDash and keep your asshole a secret.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I actually know people who are pulling up pulling a
rack a week, one thousand dollars a week doing DoorDash. Yeah,
but it's long hours. They're in a good city, like,
they're willing to work for it.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
They're also willing to drive to the bigger cities where
they can make money.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Right, yep. Do you want to jump into this.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, when Only Fans made its boom in twenty twenty,
everyone thought that this app would solve too big problems
unemployment in women's security. Really, did people really think that
we were in the middle of a pandemic and adult
workers would have a way to earn income while locked
in their houses without exposing themselves or being exploited by
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the industry.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Probably the sex industry.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I suppose.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I mean, if I were a lady of the night,
I wouldn't want people coming to my home to do that, right,
That makes sense. However, those already working in adult entertainment
were not the only ones who decided to use this platform.
Influencers began showing how much they were earning from the
comfort of their homes by just uploading photos and videos. No,
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we just upload photos and videos. These people are doing pornography.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Right, so not always though like that hers is, they're
making a ton of money. So here's the reality of
only Fans. OnlyFans has the stigma of pornography. If you
and I created an only Fans account and you just
did cooking things on it, we would be fucking shamed
to know end because we created an Only Fans But
if you create a Patreon and do the exact same thing,
there's nothing wrong with it. What you're doing matters. Bunny
(03:38):
Jelly Roll's wife had an Only Fans that was pulling
one hundred grand a month and it was all lingerie
photos risque, right, you could, you can. You can argue
for or against that, however you want to argue it.
But it's not porn. It's just shit you can see
on Instagram for free. The only difference is she was
posting shit on Only Fans and getting paid for it
instead of posting an Instagram hoping she's gonna get paid
for it. So it's one of those things that there
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is a cross there. People can sell photos of their feet,
you know the intent behind what they're doing. People are
buying that shit to fucking jerk off to it. It's
not innocent foot photos. So the intent behind what is
happening matters. But so it is just uploading photos and videos,
the amount of uploading. Just uploading photos and videos, though,
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people don't realize how long it takes to do what
we do. If you factor in the screening that just
Zack and Jenny do, the editing time that Carrie does,
our record time, the editing time, clipping time, all of
that shit, the handling, the social media aspect, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
We're fifteen hours per episode on average, and we're doing
four episodes a week. That is more than a fourth
(04:43):
full time job. Luckily, we're at a point now we're
able to pay people to do all of those jobs
so that we don't have to do with it all
on our own. But in the beginning, I fucking was,
and we were doing a lot more content in the
beginning than four episodes a week, because we're going we're
recording every.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Day, yeah, for hours.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
For hours, right, and that was my life. We recorded
and I edited it all fucking day until I went
to sit on the couch at nine o'clock at night,
and then you'd fall asleep and I go back and
edit some more like That was a very rough thing.
So it's not as simple as just uploading photos and videos.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yes, the reason I said that is because this is
specifically focusing on the adult entertainment aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right, I'm just throwing out other thoughts as it comes through.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Okay, people who had lost their jobs or had never
earned anything remotely similar were shocked making working through an
app increasingly attractive. There are some screen shots three influencers
showing their extraordinary earnings on the platform. The screen shots
came from x formerly known as Twitter.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
This person made fifty seven thousand, Oh no.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Eight fifty seven million.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
That's not in a month, though, that's in three years
they made. Oh my god, this person in one month
made twenty four thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
The last nine months they made almost one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That's insane.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, in less than a year, we had not only
well known stars from the adult entertainment world on this app,
but also regular models, big influencers, and even our school classmates.
All of them were making a lot of money from
people's curiosity to see someone ordinary or familiar uploading that
kind of content to the public for a fee. This
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app grew exponentially overnight thanks to social media and the
empowerment marketing model.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It was using. Such a bullshit fucking thing. Yes, I
don't see it as empowerment.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I don't either. You are literally a slave to the
people who are fetishizing you. This is also one of
the industries that will literally throw you away when you
are no longer beautiful by the end of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Hold on. I like the idea of what OnlyFans is.
It's Patreon, that's it. The only difference is there's no
rules to what you can post in terms of risque shit.
The idea of having a platform for influencers to charge
their user base for the con that they make so
they can do a job. We're doing the exact same
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thing through Patreon. If it wasn't for our Patreon, this
would have stopped. Yeah, we would not be doing this. Still,
we would went back to tattooing because there's more money
in tattooing than there is in podcasting. On that level,
we make decent money from Patreon or from Spreaker through
like our ads that we do, but YouTube money is trash. Yes,
TikTok money is going away, and those two things were
(07:23):
enough to cover our life. And then the Patreon money
actually made it so that we can do this and
hire people and do a lot more. So in that aspect,
I understand the need to have that as a creative
space to make sure that we're not getting dicked down
by the big fucking platforms. Instagram will not pay us. No,
we have almost three hundred thousand subscribers or followers on Instagram.
(07:44):
We have made one cent on Instagram the entire time
that we've been doing this. One penny. Facebook pays us,
but that didn't start until like the end of last year,
and it's very small money compared to Patreon. So like
that aspect of things makes a whole lot of sense
because you're basic setting up a subscription service for your content.
I totally get that, all right, guys. As you know,
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there was a TikTok scare. We lost the app for
a whole twelve hours and we have no idea what
the future of the app looks like, and with that,
we are very concerned about the loss of our following.
We have a massed almost three million followers across that
platform with all four of our accounts, and we are
trying to push people to other social media platforms to
that in the event that anything happens on one app,
we have multiple other backup plans. If you want to
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make sure that you're not missing any content, we highly
recommend that you check out our patreon.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
On Patreon, we have multiple tiers to choose from. Starting
at ten dollars, you begin to receive exclusive content at
fifteen dollars a month, you get access to our private
discord server where we've enmassed in an absolutely amazing community
of supportive people. And beyond that, we have other tiers
to check out, along with my two private women's group
if that's something you may be interested in.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Guys, on our fifteen dollar and higher tier, you have
access to live recordings. We record all of our content
three four, sometimes five time week live in front of
our Patreon audience, where they are able to chat with
us while we're recording. They can see all the flirting
and the outtakes, the hot topic conversations that never actually
make it on the podcast, and it's really worth that
aspect in itself. We have it after Dark, where we
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sit down usually once a week and have a glass
of bourbon or and Peach's case of glass of wine
and a bowl of cheese and we have a whole
lot of fun conversations karaoke in the discord we finish
the lyrics. We literally just hang out and you guys
get to hang out with us. There is a host
of other perks, including zoom calls, that are coming for
the Ultimate tier, so that if you guys are having problems,
you can talk to us. It also gives you with
(09:37):
the heads up on private meet and greets because when
we travel we try to meet up with people on
our discord on a regular basis. There's a whole slew
of other perks that come through Patreon. I highly recommend
that you check it out.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
The best way to support what we are doing is
to share the content. The second best way is to
check out our Patreon. Thank you guys for being here.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I think that that aspect, it makes sense and it's
a good thing. Now, if they had created another website
that was not only fans or Patreon, they took less
of a percentage, because everybody takes a percentage. YouTube takes
thirty percent of everything we make. If somebody gives us
ten ten dollars super chat, they take three bucks right
off the top, which sucks, you know, especially after you
pay taxes at thirty five percent, You're getting fucking, you know,
(10:15):
less than half of what you were given. If there
was a website that took you know, two percent just
to host your shit pay for their server fees, everybody
would move over to that website would make a fucking killing,
and so would the content creators. I heard that Kick
is paying their content creators eighty percent of what they make.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh wow, Like the messaging app Kick, What is.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
That Kick is? I don't know if it's a messaging app.
But Kick created a platform like Twitch to go against Twitch.
The problem is is it's very hard to get built
on that. That's what Jeff Graham was talking about the
other day wearing the shop Gotcha because he's looking into
going on Kick because of TikTok going away.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
By the end of twenty twenty one, the company reported
almost one billion dollars in revenue, three times as much
as in twenty twenty, making even more people feel like
it was worth giving it a chance. It was the
perfect app to make money in the comfort of your
home without much effort, or so everyone inside said. The
problem is that many eighteen year old women who decided
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never to pursue a professional career because of the hype
of this app. Many women who had never considered being
a part of the adult entertainment industry decided to enter
just for the money. Many people have never considered the
long term impact because it was the best option.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I don't even think it was the best option. I
think that it was an option. It was an easy option,
and people want easy.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It's a lazy option.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It is lazy. I can make a whole lot of
money and not really have to work for it. That's
the American dream, right, right. I want to do as
little as possible, bake as much as I can, and
enjoy my life. I see nothing wrong with that. What
they don't think about at eighteen years old is the
next thirty, forty, fifty sixty years of your life.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
What happens if you make it big on OnlyFans and
people have downloaded all your shit and they have it
on their computers, and then you have a kid and
your kid goes to a private school because you made
a bunch of fucking money, and you turns out that
the kids teacher was one of your only Fans subscribers
at one point, or it gets out that you are
an only fans model. And now your son, who is
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nine years old, has had all of his ten to
fifteen year old friends jerk off to his mom's content.
It's going to fuck your kid up.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
But in odd forbid, you have a daughter and they're
pushing her to be like you.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Right, and at eighteen years old, you're not thinking about
any of that. You're thinking about a quick fucking payday.
It's crazy to me that in some states you can't
buy a firearm at eighteen years old. You know, in
Florida you can't buy a pistol at eighteen. Wow, you
have to You can buy a rifle, you can buy
an AAR fifteen or a shotgun, but you can't buy
a handgun at eighteen in Florida you gotta be twenty one.
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But you can sell your fucking butthole on the internet
at eighteen legally. It's insane to me.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
It is why should I look for a job or
go to college If people are making ten thousand dollars
just recording themselves two hours a day on OnlyFans, the
average person is never going to see that. No, Well,
and I don't say this to be shitty. I don't
say this to hurt people's feelings or to attack anybody.
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When I think of the average American woman, I'm thinking overweight.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, more than fifty percent of America is obest now,
So that's a first statement.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Depressed mentally ill. There's a lot of things going on,
and you haven't blown up on social media, so you're
advertising your only friends to your friends on Facebook and
your family on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
About the fact that's what you're.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Meaning, right, So they're selling a dream that is just
not achievable for what the average American woman is.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I think that even if you are all of those things,
if you have a following and move to only fans,
you'd make a fucking killing. Yeah, it wouldn't last very long.
People would go and pay it just to see you
naked or whatever it is that you're doing over there.
But again, that's not sustainable. So you take somebody who's
got like a five million follower thing on TikTok, TikTok
goes away, they decide to move to only fans because
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they got used to living off TikTok money and they're
trying to supplement their income. They go over there, they're
going to destroy the reputation. People who who have watched,
who have always been curious or had that fantasy about
that person, no longer has to have the fantasy because
all has been shown, and their reputation is going to
be tarnished because they've now exposed themselves. They're not going
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to be able to do anything but that. And after
that and they go back to social media, their fowing
is going to be so much less. And when people
find out that they did that, if they're vehemently against
those those kind of content, they're going to fucking lose
their their following, Right. And I don't know how anybody's
only doing that for two hours a day and making
that kind of money. You'd have to be famous already,
like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
If you're just an average Jane doing your day to
day life, Like we just talked about your You're posting
to what maybe three hundred friends on Facebook?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Friends, right, friends? Yeah, And even if they were all
the opposite sex and they were into you, what are
you gonna get like six or seven of them to
pay for your photos once for a month? Like, right?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
The long term investment from them is not going to
be a thing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
This is an industry that banks on a revolving door
desperate men, and well the desperate men is going to
kind of like segue into men who are trying to
find an end to get closer to the person who's
creating the content.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, I actually believe that's the bigger part of it. Yeah, yep,
especially like I've never actually used only fans. I've never
even like, I logged in and secured the name so
that nobody else could go on there and pretend to
be us, which I thought was really fucking smart. It
is uh And I actually don't even think that was
my idea. I think it might have been zachs. I
think it was Zach's idea, but it was done so.
(15:43):
But that's one of those things that I don't know
how it works if there's chat rooms that you can
talk to like a cam girl, and you're up there fucking,
you know, putting things in your buttthole because people are
telling you to do it, to give you tips, like
tell me that that's not degrading them, like wild to me.
You know that TikTok that I made about if you
were a man and you were getting behind on your mortgage,
(16:06):
would you push your wife to do OnlyFans so that
you didn't have to get a second job or however
I worded that. There are a lot of people in
there who are like, it's her decision, not yours. The
fuck it's not if I'm married, I have a decision
in this, and that decision is going to be She's
not going to do this because I'm not okay with it.
But that wasn't the question. The question was is how
would you feel about a man pushing you if you
were his wife to do that, Because there's a difference
(16:28):
between a woman going hey, we could do this and
the man going, hey, you should do this, right, And
that was the conversation that was being had. People kept
going to her decision, it's her decision. You don't have
to say.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I think that's the feminazy of getting their fucking panties
and a bunch.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah the fuck I can walk away from this shit. Yeah,
I can choose not to be married to a fucking
porn star if that's my choice. So you're right, she
absolutely has a choice, and I have a choice whether
or not I want to be here. Yeah, I don't know.
Shit's wild to me, absolutely wild.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
For years, only fans seemed like the only answer to
becoming millionaires easily. From an external persponse, it was a
way to embrace yourself. Whomen took that as an opportunity
to have control over their bodies while having an amazing
lifestyle as a result. But how do you have control
over your body if you are having to cater to
specific demands to earn the money that you're trying to make.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm assuming that's what only fans is. I don't know
if that's actually the case. I actually knew. I had
a client once that was a cam girl work worker. Yeah,
and she told me that that's what she did. She
would be in a chat room and people would give
her big tips to do shit. So in my head,
that's what only fans is, right, only fans could be
like Patreon, where you just upload your content and people
pay for the content. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I would imagine that's a part of it. But if
you want to make more money, you're gonna have to
do specialized things. If someone's gonna pay you three hundred
dollars to do a very specific thing and your goal
is to make money, yeah, you're not going to turn
that down and be like, no, go look at my
photos for two ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, that's true. I could see that being a thing,
But again, that speaks to them trying to pay for
an ind right continuing.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
But like everything that grows exponentially thanks to the novelty
and hype of the people, only fans began to decline
little by little, and today I can say that the
app is finally dying. But why do I think this
is an end of the app? And why am I
happy about it? If it was a source of income
for many people. I will explain it here Why Only
Fans is dead. From twenty twenty to twenty twenty one,
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this app was on everyone's lips. It was a novelty,
and everyone who decided to work on it was categorized
as empowered or a future millionaire. Disagree with that statement.
I did not categorize people who used only Fans as
sex work that way me.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Either, Yeah, as either one of those. Yeah, I also
want to I know that, like maybe this is my age.
When I was younger, being a millionaire was like a
big fucking deal. Knowing that there are people out there making,
you know, thirty forty thousand dollars a month doing content
creation and all of that shit, and knowing how deflated
our dollar is devalued. Our dollar is. A million dollars
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is not a lot of money after taxes. If you're
in that tax ber bracket, you probably gonna pull six
hundred thousand a year minus your expenses. And then like
the cost of living is so fucking high, like a
million dollars isn't what it used to be. A million
dollars used to be able to retire off of that
and live the rest of your life off of the interest.
I don't think you could do that now.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
No, I think that would be gone in three years.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I think it would be gone in less than that.
If we had a million dollars right now, just paying
off our house in our car car notes.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Will oh yeah, no, it would be gone.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
They'd be gone. Yeah, after taxes, it would be gone.
So Jay Bentley say, a millionaire nowadays is nothing. It's not.
Most people are millionaires on paper, not liquid exactly exactly.
Liquid assets is a very different conversation. Everybody talks about
how rich Elon Musk is. It's not liquid. It's all
in other things. It's how your boy's paying taxes.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Continuing, Almost everyone who wasn't on the platform making money
had at least one influencer who was curious to see
their content. Almost everyone who wasn't on the platform making
money had at least one influencer. Oh so they had
one influencer who they were curious to see their content. Okay,
when only fans first became popular, being part of that
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app made you smart. People were already exposing themselves on Instagram,
so why not show it a little bit more and
monetize it.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, And I as much as I disagree with what
they're doing, I understand and can respect that because not
paying you right, and if you're okay with showing yourself
in a bikini, laingerie is no fucking different, So why
not get paid for that? I get that. I totally
get it. You know, the amount of women that we
see in jim fucking leggings with their ass cock so
(20:37):
they see voluptuous because they'll get likes. Instagram ain't paying
them for that. Facebook ain't. The clothing they sell and
the sponsorship endorsements sell. But they could sell those pictures
on fucking on a website and make a lot of
money doing that. That I get. But I also don't
think that's the same thing as fucking porn. I think
that there is. That's that's like.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I view it as soft core.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
It is a step to it. It's a gateway drug. Yeah, yeah,
it's a gateway drug because it feeds the attention, it
feeds the dopamine. It makes you feel like you're doing something.
You get some money from it. That line, it gets
very blurry, and then eventually there's a new line, and
a new line and a new line. It's a gateway drug.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Continuing, you couldn't go on Twitter or Instagram without seeing
a story or tweet about how amazing this platform was
and how people marketed the app seems even unreal. And
then there's two screenshots taken from I'm assuming this is
Twitter x Yeah. Both of these are from twenty twenty one.
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One said, only fans just bought me a three bedroom
apartment in Miami. Only fans didn't do that. Men and
women who were simping after you and were willing to
pay to see you sexualized, did that, right?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Okay? And it's an apartment, not an not like a condo.
It's you don't own that shit, you're renting. It didn't
buy you shit. You got your first classes security, good job, right,
the same thing as the other thing they got a
flat at nineteen but that yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
It's you know, it was as if they wanted to
glamorize this lifestyle on purpose, making people feel that it
was okay as long as they were making money. But
in the end, it was just a marketing strategy. By
the platform owners to attract both customers and content creators.
It's real easy to create a fake account, post a
(22:25):
bunch of photos pull them from the internet. One of
those pictures was just a chick's hand with keys. Right,
post that photo and say, just bought my first place
with OnlyFans. Yeah, we don't even know if the people
who are posting this are real people continuing, but the
reality was that only ten percent of creators made more
than one thousand dollars a month there.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
It's not even a part time job. No, gotta be honest,
It's been so long since I've worked a normal wage
job because of the tattoo career. I'm disconnected from that.
But thousand dollars a month is not a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
That's not That's not even one of our car payments.
So all the regular people who entered there to see
if they could become millionaires just got disappointed when they
didn't reach what other influencers proment promised. So when the
hype slowed down, people realized that it wasn't as easy
as the influencers made it seem.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And the content is now on the Internet, whether you
want it to be or not.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
You can delete your whole only fans page, but the
people who downloaded and saved and shared it, it's there
to be there forever.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yep. Yep.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
If you didn't have a social media presence, what a
famous figure, or had an aggressive marketing team behind you,
you wouldn't make money there. People discovered that the work
involved in getting to four figures was incredibly high, almost
as much as any other content creator. But in this
case you were exposing yourself more than any influencer on
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different apps.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I agree with that, yep. I don't think people realize
how much work goes into all of this now, the
amount of people that create podcasts that do one or
two episodes and fizzle the fuck out because they don't
make it huge right away. We were doing live streams
for nine people, yeah, regularly. In the beginning. I remember going,
can you imagine if we get ten people to subscribe
(24:08):
to our Patreon? And then we got ten, I was like,
oh my god, could you imagine if we get one hundred?
Like it took a long fucking I mean, we did
it quickly, but in terms of like instant gratification, it
took a while. You know, we live in the Amazon era.
We can get whatever the fuck we want here in
a day or two. So people do it one episode,
think they're gonna blow the fuck up and get three
people to watch, like, oh, this sucks, and they get
discouraged and they quit. The people who have big YouTube channels.
(24:30):
There's content creators who did this for years with no fans,
and then one person saw their shit, shared it, and
it blew them the fuck up. But it took a
whole lot of work to get there, and a whole
lot of like reinventing yourself and trying to find the
thing that makes you the niche that people want to watch.
It's a lot of fucking work. Ye, it's why most
content creators fail.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
There's a dude on Twitch. I think he's one of
the highest content creators on Twitch now. For like two
years he only streamed to his dad.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, one person, it was his dad. I actually saw
that that dude's article.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Iggy just said in the comments, I'm pretty sure the
girl who slept with a thousand dudes in one day
was an of girl. I'm almost certain she is, And
I'm almost certain she's the same chick who just had
to get asshole reconstruction surgery.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Because she took fifty in the button one day.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
And one day, yeah, damaged herself to the point that
she had to get reconstruction surgery on her sphincter.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That's insane, it is, it's gross.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Continuing consumers who had never been adult media consumers also
realized that paying certain content creators monthly for exclusive photos
was pointless. The pandemic was no longer a problem, and
people started going out again, finding new things to invest
their time in. Right now, the average creator makes only
one hundred and eighty dollars a month. Positioning yourself is
(25:43):
incredibly difficult if you haven't had a presence on this
platform before, and people who are making five figures a
month at the beginning now find it difficult to reach
one thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
What it comes down to, that is exactly what that is.
Like you said earlier, it's the revolving door.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
And now it's such a saturated market. Why would they
watch your content?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Right? Or I have to pay that kind of money?
Right You might have been a big deal at some point,
but somebody younger than you was charging a whole lot less.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Something that made this up incredibly popular In the beginning,
was the novelty of seeing different faces and even famous
people using it. But since it's not something new, people
who aren't fans of adult content have already lost interest
in paying for someone random, and those who are fans
simply moved to professional actresses.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Again, you missed a paragraph, did I? Yeah? Oh, if
you think about it, no one talks about this platform
as a solution of poverty anymore, because it never was.
People realized that it was not easy as social media
wanted to make it seem in the hypes and blanded.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Before reading that. I was going to say, I am
all about letting an apprentice tattoo artists tattoo one tattoo
on me. You get one, like.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
If you were due to do their apprenticeship or just
as a random friend.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Not a random friend, but like if I had a
friend who I was loyal to and they were trying
to get their career going, you can do on tattoo
on me. Other than that, I'm gonna pay good money
for the professional to do amazing artwork on me.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I get that that's what this is.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Why would they be paying an amateur who has shitty equipment,
not knowing what they're doing filming in their messy bedroom
when they can go and watch the actress who's been
doing this for ten years and has a full team
behind her.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Right and with there's websites that this shit's free on anyways.
So the reason that people are paying is because they
have a following or they're famous. Yeah, that's really the
only reason why that people would pay for that shit.
Or they're going to pay you to do some really stupid, nasty,
dirty shit, and because you need the money, you're going
to do it. That's how I view it.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
People who were never interested in adult content initially saw
OnlyFans as a business case study. Many newspapers even wrote
amazing news about women who became millionaires after quitting their
regular jobs. But now it is not relevant anymore. So
people just stopped caring about the amazing story of the
regular teacher who start to making five figures overnight. Just
(28:02):
want to pause right there. If I found out that
our our child's kindergarten teacher was also doing only Fans,
I would have her moved to another classroom. That is
how strongly against that I am. So the app just
became something we used to know, but not something we
like to talk about.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
There's still people that are signing up to that app
and using it though.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, you also have to do more and more extreme
things like that chick who slept with a thousand dudes
in a day to continue garnering attention to keep the
money flow coming.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yep. Heather said that a lot of these OnlyFans content
things is a content farm that are involved in human trafficking.
I don't know how true that is, but it's definitely
something to consider. Create a fake account and get a
girl to do camgirl shit and then talking to another
young person you know, well you want to meet up.
I could see how that would be a thing.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
That's definitely a thing why I'm happy about it, even
if it sounds selfish on my part. Many people started
creating content on the platform without considering and the long
term real consequences this could have on them. If you
go to the YouTube, if you go to the YouTube
I Sound like I'm sixty.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
If you go to the YouTube.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
If you go to YouTube and search for the reality
of Only Fans, you will see stories from thousands of
women who regret having joined the platform, and the only
reason they did it in the first place was for
the easy money. The majority of people who were never
eager to expose themselves. They just got tricked by thinking
this was a solution to their current problems. A former
(29:35):
content creator on this platform explains that social media painted
a different picture for her than the one she actually
experienced on this platform. She believed that by making content
alone at home, she would be protected from predators, but
many men looked for a way to reach her, and
she even had to move.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Out of the States. That's insane.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
That's insane. That is absolutely insane to me. We go
out in public and people see us and start crying. Yeah,
because of the way that we have presented ourselves online,
the way that we help people, the way that we
share our knowledge. We impact people's lives, and there is
a reaction in people when they see us. I couldn't
(30:14):
imagine being an OnlyFans creator and then going out in
public and having men look at me.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Or having somebody that pays for your OnlyFans with a
parasocial relationship come up and grab you.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Right or stalk me back home. Yeah, I'm good on that.
The glorious life that many influencers promise was not there either.
Ninety percent of the content creators didn't make enough to
even pay their rent. Ninety percent of content creators didn't
make enough to even pay their rent.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Jay said they didn't get tricked. They knew exactly what
they were doing. They took the easy route for the money.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Now that we can see that platform's reality, people are
already considering it several times before feeling that they have
to do it for the money. So the fact that
this app is no longer in everyone's mouth, nobody sees
it as female empowerment anymore, as helping those women who
never wanted to be a part of the adult entertainment
in the first place to look for other options and
not seeing this app as the only solution. The long
(31:12):
term effects of consuming this content are also negative. It
can cause addiction, isolation, aggression, and self esteem problems. It
can be bad for your marriage because it can cause
idealistic and esteem problems. It can reduce your effort in
the relationship, make you think your relationship is on bad terms,
or make you feel like your partner doesn't love you enough.
(31:33):
Speaking on the self esteem issues from the creator aspect,
I couldn't imagine right. I don't view women as competition
to me or a sisterhood. Everybody can learn something from everybody.
In this context, women are one hundred percent in competition
with each other. My self esteem would tank if I
(31:56):
went from making ten thousand dollars a month to barely
breaking one hundred and eighty dollars.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Right, because you put your value your self worth in
like what you bring to the world solely on your
parents and what you're.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Able to make, what I can do sexually.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Jenna said, none of these women will ever be trust
a trusted friend too. Most women have insecurities. You think
that they're going to stay friends with an of girl
that they trust around her man. Which makes me think
about the fact that when you get used to being
flirty and being that way to men to make money,
that's going to become your personality and you're going to
find yourself doing it in situations where it's abolutely inappropriate
to do it. Yep, And she's absolutely right. You will
absolutely lose friends over that shit. Yep.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Verbally knock somebody's teeth. Then, Also, many people didn't know
what a digital footprint was, and I feel that now
many people are more aware of this term and are
analyzing it better. In twenty twenty. Paying for an influencer
on this app was seen as a way to support
a person you admired, but the reality is that you
(32:53):
are simply a part of a market that has been
destructive for years. Just because many people have tried to
portray it as something positive doesn't mean that it really was.
Just because a thief shows you that he is using
the money for a luxurious life or helping others does
not make stealing a good thing. And now that the
money is not there, people now know it is not
(33:14):
worth the risk. Finally, as a person who does not
consume this type of content, I have always found it
uncomfortable the way in which these content creators have tried
to sexualize everything just to sell themselves. I had to
leave Twitter for a while because all I saw on
that app was explicit content. Every time a tweet went viral,
no matter the topic, you could see at least three
(33:36):
comments from OnlyFans creators trying to promote their.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Accounts because you're not making money.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I had to unfollow many content creators and models that
I liked because they changed their content to something more
explicit just to promote their accounts. Before of I followed
comedians fashion bloggers and girls decorating their homes. But when
the app blew up, many of these women change their content,
changing what I liked about them.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, there you go. That's exactly what I was just
talking about. You have a following, decide you're going to
start moving over there to do that content. You've destroyed
all of that shit. I'm willing to bet that there's
an influx and OnlyFans from female creators if TikTok goes away.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Oh, I believe it.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, because there's no other social media platform that's paying
the way that TikTok does, and the TikTok pays it's
not a lot.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I think the most that we ever made on that
app was the month that we'd gained two hundred thousand
subscribers or followers. In a single month, we made like
eight thousand dollars. But we average between three and four
grand a month on TikTok. But there have been months
where we've only made like a thousand. You've had months
on your personal account we've only on four hundred bucks.
Like I post four to five times a day on
our TikTok, which is why we make the money that
(34:40):
we make. Yeah, it's fucking insane to me, but you watch,
there will absolutely be a shift to some sort of platform.
I know that there are upcoming apps like Neptune that's
supposed to be like a more like inclusive TikTok, whatever
the fuck that's supposed to mean. TikTok already goes against
(35:01):
conservative creators kind of hard, so I'm assuming Neptune will
probably do the same thing. But they're making it so
that you can monetize the moment you get on the app.
We've already got our name scheduled for that shit. So like,
if we can get onto Neptune at the end of
the month when the beta goes for iPhones, we can
start posting there and seeing how that goes. But something's
going to have to give. If TikTok doesn't stay, and
(35:23):
if TikTok does sell and becomes by the time this releases,
this will be irrelevant because this will be released in June,
but in April April fifth or sixth. If it does
close in the app, oh I'm sorry. If it doesn't
close in the app gets sold to somebody else. China's
made it very clear that they're not going to sell
the algorithm so if they sell the name and sell
the app, a new algorithm would have to be in
(35:44):
place to make it work, and like the deals of
a sale, would only have to go to the President
because he's the one that has to agree to it.
Going through. Beyond that, the public will never know what's what.
We'll just see changes in the way that the app
has ran. We're already seeing that though. In the last
seventy five days, seventy days that the extension has been done,
we're seeing ads for Facebook. There's been a whole lot
(36:06):
of like terms of service changes. They're making changes to
get rid of the algorithm so that they can sell
the fucking app. I promise that what's happening. Yeah, because
the market in the United States is such a big
market for TikTok that for them to lose the United
States markets would kill them to make a huge chunk
of change in one shot, fifty billion dollars or sell
that shit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I've had to block many TikTok users because they do
too much rage bait to try and get attention and
get their users to move to their personal links. I
know some of you may be thinking, but desiree if
you're not searching those types of content, you won't see it.
Something may be wrong with your algorithm. But as a
software engineer, I can confirm that no algorithm is one
(36:47):
hundred percent perfect, and anyone who uses social media at
least five percent knows that from time to time you
get content you don't consume just because others liked it,
or because the algorithm had some shift.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Somebody said in the chat, isn't TikTok a Singapore company?
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Now?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
No, it's still owned by the by China. The CEO
is from Singapore. That algorithm shift is normal. Every once
in a while I'll get a thirst trap thing. You
just scroll past it. We're not interested in this content.
That works for TikTok, it doesn't work for anything else.
I really think the answer is a chronological timeline. That's
why Instagram got so fucking popular. There was no politics,
(37:24):
there's no video. It was literally just people showing pictures
of their life for their friends. And when you logged in,
it was newest post to oldest post, and when you
got to the oldest post, it said you're now viewing
older shit. Mm hm. I fucking loved Instagram when it
first came out. I posted on that shit constantly because
of my photography, Instagram's not the same anymore. So others
to that.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
The lack of OnlyFans and real marketing is making social
media cleaner again, making them more familiar and peaceful environments.
I don't mind if you have only fans as long
as you respect other social networks. This didn't happen in
the beginning because too many users tried to overexpose themselves
just to mart their accounts.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yes, did you still see it?
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
It's nowhere near as much as in the beginning, but
you still see it.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
The death of only Fans will be positive for many
young people. Just because only Fans is no longer profitable
from many people doesn't mean that those people will no
longer be able to afford food, or that there will
be homeless people more homeless people. Whenever there is a
need and people who need to make money, there will
(38:27):
be new forms of business. So if this app is
no longer profitable, it will only mean that young women
will no longer consider it as a career to pursue.
I know a lot of girls who want to turn
eighteen just so they can make money on this app.
I don't think this will be a common thing anymore,
will live in the hut in the middle of nowhere.
(38:49):
Before I allowed our daughter to be on only.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Fans eighteen, you have no say. That's the reality of it,
and that's why all these girls want to turn eighteen
so they can do then.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I don't think i'd be able to have a relationship
with our daughter.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I get that the disappointment would be real.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
It would be very real. I would be disgusted, I
would be disappointed. I'd be disheartened.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I would feel like a failure.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
I would feel like a failure. Yeah, she has so
much to offer to the world. Many women will start writing,
creating content on other platforms and return to college. Many
people will stop believing they are stupid for not exposing themselves,
and many people will stop seeing sexualization as something positive
(39:34):
and empowering. Only Fans isn't just going to cease to
exist overnight. But we already know this app's reality, And
I'm glad that what this app was when it started
as dead. Because the owners can no longer fool people
with unrealistic marketing of what it really is. This app
is no longer the ultimate way to have a luxurious life.
(39:56):
It no longer gives you the power to become a
millionaire overnight, and is no long longer the ultimate place
to use if you want to change jobs. It's simply
a tool for specific content creators.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
There are other tools if you're a content creator.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Prostitution in any form will never be the definitive answer.
I'm glad influencers have stopped glamorizing a life that isn't
for everyone in order to attract people who should never
have been on this app in the first place. It's
great that adult workers found a safer platform to work on,
but it should have stayed that way from the start.
A platform for adults and not the solution to problems
(40:35):
for any young girl who wanted quick money. I agree
with that. I know that there are going to be
women out there who die on the hill that this
is what they were born to do.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, to.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Be that, and I'm not here to tell you how
to live your life. I disagree with it wholeheartedly. I
will never be that woman. We just won't be friends.
You can live your life and be happy and get
your bag and then spend it on whatever you want and
fill your cup up. However you need to fill your
(41:09):
cup up. You can do it over there.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
You know how easy it would be for somebody who
has a lot of money to get on that app
and find somebody that's eighteen years old who's struggling for
money and send them a message like, Hey, I'm a
legit millionaire, I'm on a yacht right now. I need
a companion for the next six months. I'll give you
fifty thousand dollars. And that young girl at eighteen years
old and never having that kind of money making one
hundred and eighty dollars a month ago, I'm down, buy
(41:34):
the plane ticket. And then she disappears.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah, yeah, did you hear this just happened? A girl
went to an OnlyFans party and she turned up dead
on the side of the road, didn't I didn't hear that.
I think that happened a day or two ago. But
it's starting to get mass coverage right now.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Insane, yep, dangerous it is.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
This isn't This isn't an environment where gentlemen are hanging out. No,
this isn't an environment where protectors are going to be
to ensure that you get home safely. This is sin
and debauchery.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Well, you're advertising yourself as a sex sex object, So
you're going to be treated that way, especially with people
who have money that know you have a price, and
your price is as low as one hundred and eighty
dollars a month. Yeah, it's a lot when you really
fucking break it down like that, Jay said, you hear
that a lot out here. People fly them into Vegas
and they disappear. I believe that. That's why I believe it.
(42:27):
That's why Troy and Change Unchained goes out to Vegas
once a year and does major fucking you know, find
these children. It happens.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
I'm happy that the other social media's started gaining control
over the content and that not everything is sexualized anymore.
I like to enter x or Instagram without having to
see thousands of models doing weird things to attract people.
I can follow girls for their fashion taste again without
worrying if they're going to start promoting their other accounts.
I am also at peace because teenage girls are no
(42:58):
longer waiting to be of age just to enter this
app without knowing the real consequences that can cause them
in the long time.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
In the long term, yeah, Heather said, I do not
think only fans is dying. It might be shifting and
maybe not popular in specific locations, but I don't think
it's leaving the same with dating sites in Craigslist. I
remember the Craigslist thing. I remember. I know somebody that
used to use Craigslist as a dating app, like an
escort service. They would get on there and because you
(43:25):
couldn't sell your body, they would say kisses or roses,
and that was a way to put a price in
an ad so that they could sell themselves as an
escort on Craigslist. And I don't know if Craigslist is
even a thing anymore. It's been a long time since
I've tried to look because everybody used Facebook marketplace now.
But I used to buy and sell motorcycles on Craigslist
like crazy, and then the scammers got on there. I
(43:47):
don't think that it'll ever go away. I think that
the glamorization of it is what's dying. And because that
is dying and people are not looking at it in
a favorable light anymore, that's a good thing. I would
like to see sex work as it as a whole
stop being glamorized and considered a you know, I understand
there are people that we have fans who do sex
(44:07):
work and that's fine, that's your job. I personally think
that it's dangerous and I don't think that it should
be glamorized. If that's what you're doing, that's your choice.
I wouldn't want my woman doing that. I wouldn't want
my daughter doing that. I don't want to consume that content, right, So,
like there is a need and a want for everybody
out there. It's this false kind of into the conversation
(44:28):
that we had about the pomegranate thing. There are people
who are okay having their friends call them pussy whipped
and fucking make a bunch of jokes and degrade them
and like make fun of them because they love their woman.
I'm not that guy, So I'm not the market for
that type of shit. I understand there are people that
are the market. So it's like the Hangover movies. I
didn't find enjoyment any of those. I thought they were
all dumb as fuck. Yeah, they were box office huge hits.
(44:52):
I'm just not the market. There will be a market
for that shit, it's just not me. Bell said that
it is still up and people still use it for
that type of work. Wild I think that a lot
of this comes down to also the people that are
not thinking the long term about this shit. When you
think instant money, quick money goes fast, tattoo artists, drug dealing,
and it's all the same shit, prostitution, it's quick money,
(45:14):
it goes quick. You're not gonna have any type of
real retirement because you know that you can just go
make that kind of money again tomorrow. So you don't
say if you blow it on drugs or big TVs
or cars or whatever it is, and then you're fucking
broke and you might look like you got money, but
in reality you've only got a couple hundred dollars to
your name. And that's that. You don't think about the
long term effects either. That it comes down to what
your future is going to look like. What if you
like the chick you used to do only fans that
(45:35):
became a Christian like that, that's a part of your past.
You're gonna find a good Christian man and he's gonna
know you've been ran through. He's not gonna want you right.
There are people out there who will totally be okay
with it, but the men that you might be trying
to secure in the future may not be. And then
you know, there's that narrative that we see on podcasts
all the time, like the Whatever podcast where girls are like,
(45:55):
my man will just accept that you don't have a man, right.
You have a bunch of men who are paying for
your shit for a little while because you're temporary to them,
like they're basically painting you're a prostitute. They're giving you
money for your time. Yes, they're not trying to wipe you.
There's a difference.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
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please leave alike, and also don't forget to comment. We
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grab a pen and we will see you on the
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