Princess Treatment vs Bare Minimum | Trad Wife Life, Chivalry, Feminism, And Step-Parent Hate

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In this unfiltered 2 Be Better Podcast episode, Chris and Peaches break down the “princess treatment” trend, the bare minimum vs princess treatment challenge, and a viral Rolling Stone article attacking trad wives and traditional gender roles. They react to the Princess and the Pe fairy tale, the TikTok hose challenge, and the idea that opening doors, pumping gas, ordering for your wife, and protecting her in public is “over the top” or “misogynistic.” You will hear a blunt, masculine perspective on chivalry, equality, and partnership, why “I don’t need a man” is propaganda, and the difference between being fully capable on your own and actually wanting to be loved, protected, and prioritized in a traditional marriage.

From there they zoom out and tackle the bigger culture war around trad wife content, feminism, and the dating crisis, including why so many men are afraid to approach women, why women who want to be stay at home wives are shamed online, and how real men see the value of a feminine, nurturing wife raising the next generation. They also go deep on blended families and step-parent hate, defending stepdads and stepmoms who choose to love and raise children that are not biologically theirs, and showing how that role can completely change a kid’s future. If you care about traditional marriage, princess treatment vs bare minimum, trad wife life, chivalry in relationships, step-parent dynamics, and building a strong, functional family instead of living for internet approval, this video is going to hit hard and give you language for the standards you actually want to live by.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look up with.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
All the things on the bottom.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Oh wow, it's you. You're my favorite view.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
But that's nothing, and we are back.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome back, beautiful bitches.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
We are doing Friday content. I think we should just
do this. This might be a regular episode. I gotta
be honest. We're so far ahead at this point and
I am ahead of my workload that I don't know
what funk I'm doing anymore.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I really don't. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I thought that the birthday episode was gonna drop on
my birthday, and my birthday lands on a Friday this year,
so that episode that we did that was a podcast
is definitely not dropping on my birthday. So I was
not even close on that one. We are now in
October for recordings, so like, I don't know to do
my hands. Yeah, so we have a lot going on.
I also realized today that we haven't done a Patreon

(01:01):
live since we left the studio, like patreonics like only
Patreon just live Q and a hangout. So we announced
a couple of things. I've put it on Patreon already
and in Discord, but I'm going to cover it real
quick just so that it's on the podcast as well.
We are going to start doing live calls through the
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Speaker 1 (01:33):
The kids, and that includes our groups.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
From thirty dollars and up. So if you're in any
tier above thirty dollars and above, they have access to
that ability to call in. There's actually a live chat channel,
live live call something channel and Discord that they can
see if they're in the tiers that they can do that.
I want to start doing that. I want to start
doing more exclusive content. I want to start doing a

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whole lot of things that is geared towards Discord and
not everything else because Discord Patreon is what has allowed
us to continue doing what we're doing, and I want
to try to retain people as much as we can,
so I even if that means we have to back
off regular content that's going out, if that's what has
to happen, Like, Patreon is our priority and it needs

(02:18):
to be so random live streams, random YouTube lives and
shit when we get back onto the internet, which might
happen next week. I talked to that lady today and
she said that the thing that they were waiting to
close out should be closed today. So tomorrow ten am,
I'm gonna call her and be like, hey, you got
my install date, Like, let's go.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I did tell her last week when I talked to
her that I don't care what's going on. And if
they're like, we can be there Friday at one o'clock,
I know we have ceremony Friday, but the internet takes precedence.
I agree, So if we have to show up there
late or get there right when ceremony starts, I don't
give a shit. Like Okay. With that being said, today
we are doing an article. I found something. Apparently there

(02:53):
is a whole last thing going on right now with
the princess treatment versus tradwife argument. There's an article that
came out from Rolling Stone that was released on the eleventh,
and the title of the article says, is Princess Treatment
the gateway drug trad Wives have been waiting for Today's

(03:14):
gonna be This is gonna be a two part episode.
So for everybody that's here right now, we're gonna read
this article.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Article article, article article.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
We're gonna do an article read We're gonna have discussions
about it. And then I found the forty questions that
are being asked on TikTok about the princess treatment versus tradwife.
But it's it's a trend. Did you have you heard
of this?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
No? I have not. I'm excited for the forty questions.
I don't know what they are.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
The trend is like there was one of a woman
holding a water hose and a piece of paper asking
her man questions and every time he got some of
the wrongs, she scored him in the face with a
water hose. Okay, there was another one that was a bowl.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Ice dip it.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I gotta be honest, I view that shit is pretty toxic.
Like I really truly do view that as its kind
of toxic. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Before jumped into this, something happened in the car pulling
onto our street with the children, and I wanted to
share it with you because it involves you in a
very loving way, and you can cut it if you
want to cut it. He pulled onto the street and
her son very aggressively goes, I want to see the neighbors,

(04:22):
and I was like, oh, I don't want to have
this conversation because they have asked a lot of times
to walk over there and see the neighbors, and that's
just something that I'm not comfortable with doing right now.
After the last interaction and I sighed and he was
just looking at me, I was like, do you want
me to be honest? And he said yes, and I

(04:43):
was like okay, and I was honest with them. I
was like, our neighbors are nice people. I just don't
want to be around them because of something that they
said about Pops that I didn't like. And he was like, oh, well,
what did they say? And I was like that doesn't matter.
What matters is that I didn't like it and I
don't feel comfortable going over there. And Sissy goes, is

(05:06):
it because he's bald? And I gon know, baby, it
it had nothing to do with that. She goes good
and I was like yeah, and she was like I
like the fact that Pops is bald.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
It's funny. Yep. So another housekeeping I know that we've
talked about at length about the men's retreat. I have
less than eight spot. I think it's seven spots left
on the men's retreat, so it's less than half left available.
Bali has only got six or seven spots left. Greece
has only I think got seven spots left. So like

(05:39):
everything that we're doing in terms of retreats are almost
sold out.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Reached out to Trova.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Trip this morning to find out if there was anything
that we could be doing in November or December for
something that's on this side of the world, whether it
be in Mexico or Costa Rica again or Columbia or
something like that, to be able to go do something.
And I was like, here are my stipulations. I wanted
to be on on the Western hemisphere. I want it
to be under two thousand dollars, and I want it

(06:05):
to be in like November, maybe maybe early December, but
probably November.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Why November, because.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
We're out of hurricane season. It won't be stupid hot
down there. I mean it's gonna be hot down there
no matter what. November, right, yeah, we do, but that's
in the beginning of November. So if we could find
something to be able to do something you said you
said on the last thing that we did when we
were asking each other questions that you want to do
more Trova trip stuff.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
I do, so I feel like that's a lot in
one month.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I don't I don't think it is. The modern treats
a weekend that's easy, okay, But if we were to
do the modern retreat, that's I think that's the seventh
We'll do that for that weekend, come back, and then
the last weekend of the month, if we could go
to Columbia for four days or six days. I think
we found a four day trip that's only I think
it was like eighteen hundred bucks, okay, but that would
be a cool thing to do. I've always wanted to

(06:54):
go to Columbia. There's a lot of history there, and
there's a boat ride, which you know, I like being
on boats when we went on trips.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I don't know if that's going to even happen or not.
I just I really would like to follow through with
the doing the more things for you because you said
you wanted to do them. I appreciate that. So, you know,
trying to give you princess treatment. Yeah, do you want
to get into this? Uh yeah, all right, hand let
me move this back out of the way, because okay,

(07:27):
I have to get one good good So before she
jumps in the article a minute ago, I was mentioning
that there will be forty questions that are asked. If
you are watching this video and you enjoy the video
and you are curious about those forty questions, those forty
questions are Patreon exclusive content. The only way you can
watch that video is if you're a member of our
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get access to our discord community. And it is a
community that is where the true power of Patreon gets.
It's unlocked because we get to record live in front
of our Patreon audience and all that fun stuff that
was the Patreon plug, So I don't have to insert
it because we have to re record the Patroon plug. Also,
while she's yawning, guys go in like the video, share it,

(08:11):
subscribe all that fun stuff that they tell you to
do on YouTube. It doesn't cost you anything and it
helps us a lot. I'm just checking all the boxes.
Look at me being a YouTuber.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Look at you. Let's go remember that old fairy tale
by hands Christian Anderson, The Princess and the Pee. Or
they are watching an animated retelling reading the backstory of
a limited edition Barbie Doll, or streaming a bootleg version
of the musical that once starred Sarah Jessica Parker. The
story remains pretty consistent. To test if she's truly royalty

(08:39):
and worthy of marriage to a prince, a princess is
given a bed heap with a pile of mattresses. Secretly,
her daughters place a single pe under the mattress on
the bottom. When morning arrives and she tells her host
that she was kept awake by an uncomfortable lump, it's
taken us proof that she has the delicate senses of
a true princess.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
All right, that's bullshit, But okaya.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
There was a Jena goddess in the comments if you
want to read that real quick.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
The premise of the Princess and Pe revolves around a
prince seeking a true princess as his bride, and as
the sub subsequent test used to confirm her royal status,
a bed is prepared with a pee place beneath twenty
mattress and twenty feather beds. A woman who claims to
be a princess is put to sleep on this elaborate bed.
The next morning, she complains of a restless night, claiming

(09:28):
she felt something.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Hard in the bed.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
This sensitivity is interpreted as proof of her being a
true princess, as only someone with such delicate skin should
be disturbed by a pee under all that betting. Okay, man,
I'm glad I didn't live in those times.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, yep. Why is because I would destroy somebody for
complaining about a pe. Yeah, I'd be like Quid acting up.
You know, your fat ass wish that peace. Shut a bitch.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Though, that p ain't frozen, It ain't pebble. You squished it.
It looks like a line of bean.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Now I love it.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I don't like.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I don't like sensitive nonsense like that. Yeah, it is
very much an extreme. Could you spoil me like that?
I am the princess that feels the p p e A.
By the way, guys, yeah, not the golden showers.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I mean if you were into that and you but
you call me r Kelly. I'm just saying All right,
let's get back to it.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Do anything, want to make a smile? Our relationship is wild,
it really is. Yeah. While people on TikTok aren't conducting
psychological sleep experiments on each other in the name of
monarchical monarchy, monarchical monarch, they are making it clear that
their dating sensibilities are just as delicates. With the light

(11:02):
latest phase douj your on the app princess treatment, and
as the discourse around it keeps stacking up, what started
as a silly turn of phrase has developed into an
incomprehensible mess that's preventing people from noticing the much more
insidious shift around them. Ooh ooh, insidious demons. Let's go online.

(11:25):
The term princess treatment means above and beyond handling in
a relationship setting, but what Internet users can't seem to
agree on is its application. What's anniversary behavior for one
couple might be an average Tuesday for another.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Okay, let's pause right there, because that is very factual, correct,
and that you know when you look at our life,
we don't do the anniversary thing. We do it because
this thing, right like, it's not a scheduled day or
a holiday or marked on the calendar, or because we're
supposed to. We do the things that we do because
we love each other and we want to express that love.

(11:58):
It's not I agree with that, Like.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I also like surprising each other.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I was gonna say, and before I burped on myself there,
I agree that it shouldn't just be an anniversary thing. However,
I understand that there are people out there who only
do the holiday thing because it's all they can afford,
or because they just don't like their person, which is
very real. We see it all the time.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah. So enter the quote unquote bare minimum versus Princess
treatment trend, a challenge where a women ask their significant
other where a particular task might land for them. The
scenarios range from filling up a girlfriend's gas tank, to
giving her your jacket when she's cold, to carrying her
when her feet hurt, or never letting her touch a

(12:38):
door handle.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Okay, you see anything wrong with any of that? No, okay,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Speaking of which, my broncos needs getting I got, she's thirsty,
it's a quarter tank. I didn't let it go blood.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I appreciate you not waiting.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Thank you for doing that. So I don't have to
go to the guest. I know I made that TikTok
the other day, but it's true. When I'm around you,
it's really making my way downtown. And sometimes it's like
that when I'm in the car. Sometimes it's backtree boys
or whatever. But the minute I'm at a gas station
or anywhere where there's increased danger.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
It's a marital by lamb of God.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, I don't know what that is, but that sounds intense.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Calling something princess treatment implies that it's over the top request,
implies that it's an over the top request. If the
girlfriend doesn't agree with their boyfriend, the men in question
get an instant blast of water to the face.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Okay, so, and there's a couple videos here, but I'm
not gonna I can just you can see like she's
holding the water hose while he's reading it. Look at
him flinching a little pussy. It's fucking a water hose, bitch. Anyways,
I don't I don't normally fuck with challenges like that, right,
But I'm willing to bet that if we did that,
I would answer every one of those questions correctly, because
I view this as being a gentleman. Yeah, if you

(13:51):
were like my feet hurt, I would carry your heels
right to walk barefoot. Babe, you got this, And if
we're on a rocky road or whatever, then we'll figure
that shit out. We've walked in shitty situations before it happens.
Touch and not touching the door handles. We've talked about
that you'll stand at the door and wait for me
to get there to open it. Yeah, some of these, well,
I'm not gonna run the article. I read this already.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Okay, go ahead, I'm not gonna ruin it, I think. Okay,
hang on before I continue. One of my favorite things
about you opening all the doors for me is that
when the times that I do get to do it
and like the door's locked, you're like, yeah, that's what
you get, weight, bitch. I love it. I love the reminder.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's that's not a bad thing. What do you mean
because they're calling it princess treatment. I don't think that's
princess treatment. I think that's showing like gentlemanly love to
your woman. It's not that I'm going above and beyond.
Walking around the car to open your door is not
fucking hard for me to do if I was like

(14:48):
seven hundred pounds, I should be doing laps around that
car to get down to like five hundred pounds so
that it's not hard for me to get out around
the car to open your car door.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
The only reason people don't want to do that shit
is because we've been told that it's not right that
when can open them fucking doors. And maybe they're embarrassed
or shy about it. I have We have actually heard
men who said the first time that they were doing
the gentleman ship, like they rode in and was like
I was embarrassed as fuck about it.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, why mm hmm. I'm full chest.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I like it when people watch watch us get in
and out of the car and like I give them
a little show. I'll boost you in with your booty.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
All the time.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
When we when we went and bought our dirt bikes
and we were in Fort Myers and I helped you
out of the car. It was right after you had
you had fucked your ankle up, your own crutches, But
when you got back in the car, I scooped you
right up in there. And Michelle, our dealer, was like,
I love you guys, Like there's no shame in that.
Why would you allow society to shame you over doing
something to make your person happy.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
M h, it's fucking insane to me. I agree, Okay,
I feel the same way about making your plate in public.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Oh, such a flex for me.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Or when you called me and like, no matter what
I'm doing, it's like ears. So remember that you said
that as we continue this article. Really yep, okay, I
wonder if I'm able to figure out why you said that.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
I'm sure you will real quick though. Nashally in the
chat said, I was raised to never need a man
to do that for me. We have created a society
that cravesy equality, so both sides drop the ball. She
doesn't need me to do it. No, She's more than
capable of doing all of this. She can go to
the gas station on her own, she can open her
own car door, she can drive her own car, she
can order her own food. She can do all the

(16:27):
things that I can do. But if I'm there and
am able to do it for her, it's just less
shit that she's got to worry about.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
You do it better.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's because you know that I'm doing it from a
place of love. Yeah, the whole I don't need is
it's propaganda, It is bullshit for us. We don't need
each other, we want each other, and there's a difference.
And like so I guess in that aspect it's true.
I don't I don't need a man or a woman
to do any of these things that you know, depending
on her gender. But you should want to have somebody

(16:56):
to take care of you. Isn't that the goal, like
to not have to do this alone?

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Right? Continuing yep. In addition to the sheer fun some
women have with dousing their significant others with a garden hose,
the trend has been characterized by countless disagreements and the
comment section over what kind of treatment makes for a
good relationship. It's not one size fit all, so it's
really not. I think as a society we can agree

(17:21):
on abusive behaviors and remember you said that too, Okay, manipulative,
vindictive things that people can do in a relationship. I
think we can all say that's bad relationship. But like
you said, if a couple only celebrates to holidays because
that's what they can afford, that doesn't mean they don't
love each other less because they're not doing the random
things on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
And if they are in love and they are happy,
why do you care?

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Maybe it gives them something to look forward to.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
No, I mean other people.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
No, I know, like me saying that to the other people. Yeah,
like trying to hate on that or give people shit
if they know that they're not in a good place
financially and they know for a fact, no matter what,
on my birthday, I'm gonna get to do whatever the
hell that I want to. My favorite person's gonna be
with me. It's a motivator.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
My big thing is is I just don't understand how
you can be mad at somebody for being happy, or
you can you know, if you got two people that
are madly in love and they're doing life things and
they're smiling and they're having a great time, how are
you gonna shit.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
On that because they don't have it right?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well, that's hater mentality, and I understand that, like the
jealousy and the envy that comes along with it. But
like the idea of being mad at somebody else for
being happy is fucking insane to me.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, there's a whole lot of people that have a
whole lot of shit that we don't have. That I
am envious of, but I'm also very glad that they
have it. Good for them, right, like, fucking I love
that for you?

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Not not? How dare you?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
You?

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Fucking you must be blah blah blah blah blah over there. Yeah,
must be nice.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
It is fucking nice, bitch. I'm jealous.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
There's a big, old, fancy house near us, and every
time I drive past it, I'm like, fuck you, But
good for you. I love that. It's awesome. I bet
you are'd your whole life to get to that point.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, thanks for building that house for me. I'm ready
to take it back. I'd say that ships myself a
lot people too, though.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah. So he was walking around the neighborhood with a
parrot on his shoulder, a cappellaing like beach songs, picking
up trash. He was picking up trash. Yeah that yeah.
Continuing But when the Housewife and When a housewife and
content creator Courtney Palmer posted a video explaining her husband's
princess treatment, what people managed to agree upon was that

(19:27):
her video took the idea to an entirely new level.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Okay, before we move any further, Housewife and content creator.
So according to Rolling Stone, you can be.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Both, yeah, housewife and a content creator.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
So you can be a traditional wife and a content
creator and still be considered a trad wife.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
So even though you're working and creating content and doing
that thing, you're still a traditional white people can't take
that from you, according to the Rolling Stone. So everybody
on the internet can need a dick. I'm gonna tell
me to go read the article from the Rolling Stone.
You can do both.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
You know, when I think of every historical thing I
have ever read or watched, all of the women who
stayed home had some type of side hustle to help
with the household. Well that be like selling goat, milk
or bread. There was some type of bartering system going
on that the household that the woman of the household
took care of, that the husband didn't have to worry about.

(20:19):
That helped facilitate things. Yeah, this is a quote. If
I'm at a restaurant with my husband, I do not
talk to the hostess, I did not open any doors,
and I do not order my food.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Okay, before we go any further, that's that is old
school traditional values. Yeah, right, Like you're very picky about
your food. So I don't order your food for you,
but I do open the doors and if you if
I knew what you were going to order, I would
order your food for you. As for the not looking
at the waitress that could we could speak to a
whole lot of different things. I contact as weird for people.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
No, she said, I don't talk to the hostess, right.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
She also said, I.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Don't order my food. Oh, oh, are you gonna get
I got ahead of myself. I'll wait, okay, oh, Palmer
said in a video describing a typical date night. I
want him to order for me. I like when he
orders for me. It's not that I'm not capable of
ordering for myself. It's just a fun princess treatment sort
of thing. Palmer's video describing how she typically avoids eye

(21:16):
contact with service staff, relying on her husband to speak
for her, drew the ire of followers and a wave
of comments calling the behavior problematic. Me when I'm a prisoner,
read one comment. It's giving cult or hostage situation, said another.
They be like princess treatment, but it's medieval times and
you're locked in a castle. I'm so sorry. I laugh

(21:39):
at my own mean comments to you guys.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
So this isn't just a okay, so the eye contact
can be hard for people, yeah, right, And when I
get over stimulated, I'm not looking at anybody in the
eye unless they're a threat. Oh yeah, I get like
TISM's going, Like I stem and I can't focus like that,
I look past them, right. So, and like little man

(22:01):
is also somebody that will not make eye contact with
you like that is a very normal thing for people
with spicy brains. Her not doing that could be that
could be an underlying thing for her that she's just
not admitting to in the article or her video. It
could be that she's like, fuck these people, I don't
like society, and if my husband can do all of
this for me, this is a win. Yeah, that's true, right,

(22:23):
But she said that it's just fun princess treatment for
her continuing.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yes, there were parodies a plenty, many from service workers
and restaurant themed accounts focused on how disconcerting a lack
of eye contact would be during a shift, but the
prevalent commentary was about the link between the seemingly controlling
nature of Palmer's husband and the growing popularity of treadwife content. Creators,
They said, the controlling nature of her husband where, well

(22:52):
they how would they even know that? Right?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
If they have an agreement that when we get to
the restaurant, I want a steak, baked, potato loaded, double baked, whatever,
and like she gives her whole thing and they go
in there and he does all of that and that's
some like thing that they enjoy or it's a kink
for her or whatever the case may be. How the
fuck do we know that that's a controlling thing?

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Right?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
If she was like, I want a steak and he's like, no, bitch,
you'll have water because you're fat, that's controlling. I could
see that being a real problem. Yeah, But him just
ordering her food and her smiling and having a great
date night and going home fulfilled in her marriage, Like,
who the fuck are you to say anything? I don't
see how there's any type of control there whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah. No, there are times where I look at you home,
like I don't have the energy to deal with anyone.
But you can you make this phone call for me
because they fuck something up? Or can you tell the
waiter that my food's wrong? Right? Yeah? Trodwives, women who
prioritize traditional gender roles and often project old school fantasies
of staying home with kids, returning to the land home, cooking,

(23:55):
and serving their husband have played an outsized role on
the end in the last few years, marking the rise
of conservative presences in the digital spaces. I understand.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Okay, so I do understand that a lot of the
tradwife movement does have a conservative base. But not all
tradwives are conservative. Like that's a fault, that's not an
accurate statement to make. I know a whole lot of
people who lean very left, who don't want to fucking
go to work, who would much rather be at home
with their children, raising their family, and doing the stay

(24:28):
at home wife thing.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
So now we put a political narrative on this conversation.
So now we're talking about tradwives and putting a negative
connotation on a woman who decides that it's best for
her family for her to stay at home and raise
her children. M here's another thought, and this is just
for everybody that's listening. We know that the dating pool
has become very shallow. There's not a whole lot of

(24:51):
people hanging out in it. Like statistics are showing that
more and more people are just not trying to date.
There are a whole lot of studies going around right
now that there are a a very large number of
men who are in their thirties who have never had
a serious girlfriend wow, because they're afraid to talk to women,
afraid of being called whatever. They're going to be called whatever.
For the women who want the tidwife situation that have

(25:13):
been mixed up into all of this other shit and
have that that are suffering the consequences of that other
shit may never be able to fall into the roles
that truly make them happy because men are afraid to
talk to them and the dating game has become a problem.
I don't like that they refer to it as an
outsized role.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
We know because of what we do that.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
There are thousands of women out there who want to
be a stay at home Yeah, like there are a
lot of women who dream about that. And the problem
is where the reality is is the ones who are
anti stay at home are the loudest, they're the most negative.
They're shitting on other people who are stay at homes.
And if you had the financial ability to not work,
all of you would not work. Nobody wants to work

(25:55):
unless it's something that you truly enjoy doing. But if
you truly enjoy doing it, you would do it for free.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Continuing yep. These women like Hannah Nilman of Ballerina Farm
or even cooking creator Nara Smith, gained millions of followers
by posting content themed around household management from scratch cooking
and child rearing, carefully noting that it's their personal choice
while encouraging others to lean into their own divine feminine impulses.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
I don't see anything wrong with that meah either.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
While everyone is decrying the death of feminism in Palmer's comments,
she's raking in the cash posts about Princess Treatment. Isn't
declaring what kind of feminists you are. It's a way
to get attention and it's working. In an interview with people,
she said she gained close to twenty four thousand followers
from the success of the Princess Treatment video, which is
on its own received close to four point five million views.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
It's a lot, I think. I think our highest viewed
video on TikTok has eight eight eight million views on it. Yeah,
and that was only one that sproke. I think that's
the only video that we've done that's broke seven million.
I think the next one down is like just just
just at six million or just under six million. We've
had a lot that's done like one, two, three, four million,
But those those bigger numbers are hard to hit.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
I have a few that are like five six million,
do you I.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Think there's only two or three of ours that are
over four I also think that, you know, a lot
of the beginning of our content creation was about your
stay at home child wife shit like, and it was
about me like being able to provide that. That was
a very big topic in your one. We've moved away
from a lot of that stuff because our content now
is about emails and helping people.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, but it's true that.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
That shit does do well on social media because it
gets people in the comments, arguing and hating, and the
more they hate there is, the better the videos do.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, your softness isn't giving anyone control over you. It's
giving a partner space to lead with that strength. Palmer
told people, when I'm leaning into my grace, I invite
him to rise as a protector, a provider, a partner
because that's what he wants to do. It works in
a perfect balance and becomes that effortless, graceful, calm, peaceful lifestyle.
I wonder if she listens to the podcast. Oh, that's

(27:59):
a good question. I bet she's heard of us. Yeah.
While people are patting each other on the back of
Palmer's comments for being able to recognize red flags from
a marriage influencer, what they're not realizing is that there's
far more nebulous patterns slipping completely under the radar. Palmer's
Princess Treatment video is simply the final boss of a
TikTok practically practically terraformed by girl content. There's a girl

(28:23):
Dinner girl math viral We Were Girls Together, sounds like
looking for a man in finance trend all predicted on
the underlining assumption that women need to be taken care of, predicted,
and are incapable of deep thoughts.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I don't see how people can think can get that
from the trid wive thing. Okay, here's a real, real
honest assessment from from a man's from a man's point
of view, right, And I'm not speaking I'm not speaking
for allmen, because there's a lot of frail, little bitch
boys out there that don't fall under the man category.
They're males or their little boys. They're not men from

(29:00):
a man's perspective. And yes, I'm calling myself a man.
I'm proud of that title.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
I call you a fucking man.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
The idea of you being a stay at home wife
doesn't fall into the category of someone who needs to
be taking care of, protected, or is incapable of deep thought.
I love you. I want to give you everything that
everyone else in life has failed to give you. I
must start a crying pull that shit back quick, getting better.

(29:28):
I want to make sure that you are protected because
you are the most important thing to me.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
If you had.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Two diamonds that were worth a million dollars apiece, and
it was the most expensive, most valuable thing you owned,
wouldn't you protect it when you guard it and keep
it safe and make sure that it's there. I value
let you like two million dollar diamonds. You are the
most important thing to me in terms of my life,
So of course I'm going to protect you.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Do you need it? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
You carry a pewpew, you have a fucking guard dog. Yeah,
you drive a big Bronco that has got a bullhorn
on the front of it. In case you have to
run through traffic. You have a whole lot of means
of taking care of yourself, but you're important to me.
The other aspect of that, I value your opinion. I
can't lead my home effectively if I don't have all

(30:17):
of the data within my house, which means you and
I have to sit down at the table and go
over finances, and we have to go over the future
of what looks like X, Y and Z. What do
you want in the next three years, What do you
want for the kids? Where are we at for food?
Where are we at for all of these things? And
then I get to make decisions. This is not a
matter of me going in the kitchen now, right, cook,

(30:41):
I don't want to make decisions. Just go do it,
and if I don't like it, I'm a smack it
off the table and you're gonna do it anyways. Like
that's the energy that they're putting out there, and that's
not what's going on. From a man's perspective, we see
the value in our wives taking care of our children.
We see the value of having a soft, nurturing, delicate
person to nourish and give the emotional love to a

(31:04):
child that we're not capable of. There have been so
many fucking studies about the difference between the way men
and women raise children. It is possible for a man
to get into that role of being a nurturer. It's
not genetically there. You guys bond with your children by
carrying them and laying with them and have having like
bedtime stories and all the things that you do. That's

(31:24):
mommy chest time and mommy time. I'll pick a little
man up, throw them my shoulder and spin him like
a basketball on my finger, like spin him around my
body and put him on the ground and tickle him
and he laughs and we bond like it's really that's it.
But I'm also he understands that I'm much more of
a prominent figure in the household when it comes to
discipline or making decisions. When he gets hurt, he runs

(31:46):
to me, right because he knows that I'm going to
take care of him. There's just a whole lot that
goes into that. So what does that say about if
a five or six year old kid gets hurt and
runs to dad instead of mom, knowing that mom is
the nurturer, but Dad is going to make sure that
every thing is okay. Because that's dad's job. There's nothing
in there that's ugly. I just don't fucking understand these
the argument behind the traditional wife or anti traditional wife movement.

(32:11):
You guys are never going to bring as much value
in the world outside of the home as you do
in the home. That doesn't mean that you can't be
a CEO. You absolutely can, but the lives that you
affect as a CEO will never be as impacted as
they would if you were at home raising your child.
That same argument goes for men. We just don't have
the luxury of having somebody stay home and take care

(32:33):
of us so that we don't have to work. Statistically,
statistics show that women will date at their pay grade
and above, never at their pay grade and below, and
men always date at their pay grade equally and below.
Very rarely does a man get a woman over his
pay grade. That's statistically proven.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, So the.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Idea that they think that men believe that women need
to be in the kitchen and be tad wives because
they're incapable of deep thought just blows my fucking mind.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
If you look at the comments on the bare minimum
versus princess treatment challenges, the large majority jokingly side with
the girlfriends, saying that women are in need of gentle
treatment and pampering.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Jokingly side. They jokingly side, so they're not actually siding
with it. It's just a joke. This entire thing is
a fucking meme for them.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Couldn't be me. It couldn't be me. I like laying
down at night in your arms and falling asleep and
waking up in the morning and knowing that I don't
have to run myself into ground to provide for my
family When I have a teammate, I like being treated
like a delicate flower or a ragdall, depending on the situation. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Ha, it's a valid point though.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
It's crazy to me that people can see that you
can have this life and then shun it.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
And beyond the viral jokes littering Palmer's comments are thousands
of seemingly serious comments calling her video just an example
of how leaning into feminine roles can be self care.
That is a really big topic in the Empowered Wife,
leaning into your feminine roles of self care. It's not
a coincidence that this is happening at the same time
as the Stanford prison experiment. Reducts known as Love Island

(34:10):
USA is streaming where the biggest crime you can accuse
someone is not being a girl's girl. There's no good
way to have subtle conversations around feminism online. But that
doesn't mean Princess's treatment is an important Can.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
We pause for a minute and talk about the Stanford
prison experiment and how they just equated that to the
show called Love Island.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
The Stanford prison experiment was rough. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
The people that were actually in that experiment some of
them have PTSD for the rest of their life long term.
This is what we do as a culture. We take
things that were a big fucking deal and downplay the
shit out of it and relate it to other things,
and doing so we remove or negate how fucked up
the things were in the past, because history is ugly

(34:54):
and it's easier to like downplay history than to admit
that as human beings we are a cruel, fucked up creatures.
That that's that's kind of a fucked up situation.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, I agree. I also hate the terminology a girl's girl. Well,
what is that? What is that?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
What is a girl's girl?

Speaker 1 (35:11):
A girl's girl meaning that you're somebody who you a
girl would want to be your friend, You support women
all those kinds of things. I don't know when I
think of girls girls, I think of like Ariana Grande fans.
Why are you looking at me like that? Does that
click for you?

Speaker 2 (35:30):
I mean, I know who she is because we watched
Wicked beyond that, and I know you've told me over
and over again she's a homewrecker.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
I don't she has a really large fan base. She's
very much that like, she's very Hang on a second,
the chat is saying things, so they're explaining it.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Jenny said, a girl's girl just stand and agree with everything.
The most dominant girl says, that's how I see that.
Nashat a girl. Girl is basically that you will always
have a girl's back no matter the situation. Do you
guys hear how fucking insane that is? Yeah, So you're
saying that you can drug a dude anally rape him
with an object, and because you're a girl and your
other girls should be like hell, yeah, I stand by her.

(36:09):
She had every right, she didn't do anything wrong.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
She's a girl. Did you hear about the whole thing
with Cardi B She was drugging dudes and stealing their money.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Before she became famous, right like she was. Yeah, she's right, and.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
That's like a girl's girls thing. It's absolutely get your bag,
do what you have to do.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, that's absolutely fucking insane to me.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
So yeah, that was That was a really good example
of that. But I hate that terminology a girl's girl.
I'm a woman. Girls are children that need to be
raised still to understand what it means to be human.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I don't support anyone just because of their gender, right
or because of what they identify as. I have to
get to know you, to find out what kind of
person you are and your actions to determine whether or
not I'm going to stand by you or to see
if I can even fuck with you in general. Yeah,
this this, this is mob mentality, Like at its finest,
this is mom's mob mob mentality, all.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Right, continuing, there's no good way to have subtle conversations
around feminism online, But that doesn't mean princess treatment isn't important.
The rise in tradwife popularity is occurring at the same time. Oh,
I just read them calling out misogynistic content. I didn't
read Did you read that?

Speaker 2 (37:16):
No?

Speaker 1 (37:16):
You didn't, did I not?

Speaker 2 (37:17):
The rise in tradwife popularity is occurring at the same
time as a serious attack on reproductive rights in the
United States.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Calling out misogynistic content matters, But what the reaction to
Palmer's video is showing that when posters take the fight
to a singular comment section without challenging the patterns underneath it,
everything stays is saying what the fuck did I just read?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
You read it again?

Speaker 1 (37:41):
No? Like, I okay, So this article was about the
princess's treatment going into tradwives.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Right, but it just changed the narrative of the conversation.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Right, like all of that Just I'm confused that I
feel like that had nothing to do with the article
the article. Am I the only one who's con.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
So it's the rolling Stone, right, which everything most major
publications have an agenda, And if you look at like
even television, most things like to win a Golden Globe,
there are a certain criteria that you have to meet
in a show before you can even regardless of what
the show is about. Like you could have a banger
of a TV show on your hand, but if it
doesn't meet certain criteria based off of demographics and all

(38:18):
of that bullshit that they're trying to push it won't
even be eligible. Rolling Stone does shit like this, Okay,
But the idea of if they wanted to transition this
article into a conversation about those later things and to
talk about the tradwife movement and how it's going against
feminism and what feminism now stands for, they could have
done that. They didn't do that because feminism is about

(38:39):
a woman's right to choose, and for you to choose
to be a tradwife or a stay at home or
to be a woman who prefers the princess treatment over
the bare minimum. They can't do that because in doing so,
you're negating what feminism actually is. And now that that
argument is being made, they have to change the way
that they're attacking things.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
So now they're saying that to be into the princess
movement or a princess treatment or the tradwife movement and
gaining popularity on social media, it's happening at a time
while there's a big attack on reproductive rights in the
United States and not calling out misogynistic content creators. So
they're now saying that being a trad wife and doing

(39:16):
these contents, you are basically taking attention away from these
other things. That's how I read that, And I wasn't
going to get into any of that. That's not really
the part of the article that I wanted to talk about.
I wanted to talk about the princess treatment thing. As
a woman who has been married to a man and
not a fuck boy or you know, a little male,
and you know what it is to have a life
that you live. Now, would you ever accept anything less

(39:39):
than this from somebody?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Now? Never? Why not? Why would I? Well?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
I mean, if I was to die one day and
you weren't able to find somebody to replace me, and
you have to why you would You wouldn't think that
would be alone? Like you wouldn't You wouldn't rather have
somebody and have to open your door than to be
alone and still have to open your door.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I don't understand what you're asking me.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
If I was to die tomorrow in six six years
from now, you meet another person that checks a bunch
of boxes, and you guys start dating, and he's refusing
to open your car door, or won't fill your truck
up with gas, or won't do all of the gentlemen
things that I do for you. Would you would you
indulge that, because you would end up basically be going
backwards to be with somebody from what you've currently got.

(40:23):
And the joke that I was making is you can
have somebody that checks all the boxes and be with them,
they just don't open your door, or you could be
single and still have to open your own door. It
was a joke, gotcha, But I am curious as to
how that would look for you.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm more interested in
staying single. If that's the case.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Dang said, I'd have to hire ten people to take
care of me the way my man does. Jenna said,
suddenly the door just opens via spirit, realm. I don't
I don't understand why people accept less than their value,
and like maybe some of you guys just don't see
your value. But like, it's no secret that we weren't

(41:03):
gonna like I was done with the marriage thing.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
We both were.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
We both flat out said that that shit will never
happen again. And obviously it did and we're happy and
we're thriving. But you had to check a whole lot
of boxes to get to that point. Because there, I
know what, I know what I'm capable of bringing to
a relationship. And I'm not going to go above and
beyond and do for somebody that doesn't reciprocate that love

(41:27):
in the doing. If if something was to happen to you,
those are some real big shoes to fill. It's a
real big booty to fill.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I'm not I'm not fucking with that.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Like you guys, that bar has been set, and it's
gonna be real fucking hard for somebody to even come
close to that bitch, let alone hold it where it
is or exceed it. And and as we go about
our life, that bar is continuously being raised, like it's
not gotten, to the point where we're on American Ninja
and we're missing pegs like American Ninja Warrior. American Ninja

(41:59):
was a movie. Ninja Warrior. Ne the clarification, Yeah, yeah,
I'm not talking about the eighties movies and how about
the fucking obstacle courses. But Nash said, sadly, for most,
including myself, we don't believe that stuff exists. It might
not be a self esteem issue. Lots of the things
that men like Chris do are only shown in movies
or shows.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Okay, hang on, right, go ahead, get them now, I
may I right now, My husband's a right. You've never
seen a dinosaur, but you believe they existed, and it's
based off of fossils. That is the only evidence we
have that dinosaurs existed, but we believe they were real.

(42:37):
Even if this isn't something you've seen playing out in
your own personal life, this podcast is the fossil you're discovering.
This is the proof that relationships and men like this exist.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Our discord community has a ton of men like this.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah, it does here here. Here's another thought in all
of that.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Even if you don't believe that it currently exists, and
you know that it once did, you can facilitate change.
You can get out there and start talking about how
you want to be a trad wife, or how you
want a man to support you and your dreams and
take care of you and do these things. You might
get shit on for it by people who think who
go against what you believe in. We get shit on

(43:17):
all the time for what we talk about.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yes, fuck them, fuck them.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
There are people out there that will resonate to your
frequency and be like, you're right, I fucking love this.
This woman gained twenty eight thousand followers from a single
video because she's speaking out about the things that make
her happy. Your tribe will find you. If you always
do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've
always got. So stay silent, don't believe that it exists,

(43:41):
and see how that works for you. Change your thought
process and be like, I'm not willing to accept anything
less than these things. Write down your list of expectations,
your hard nos, and the things that you're not willing
to accept from a person, and be vocal about it.
Change your environment, change your social circles. The more value
that you have in yourself, the less likely you are

(44:02):
to destroy something. If you had a really expensive car,
you're gonna take care of that a whole lot differently
than a rental or like a fucking you know, Facebook
Marketplace two thousand dollars beater that you're buying to take
to the derby. When you find something that's very hard
to get, hard to obtain, and hard to have, you're
gonna treat it a whole lot differently than that shit
that just comes around.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Is that the end of the article?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yes it is okay, I think so, Nasha. Until now
I thought it was super rare. I know the difference. Now,
Sorry this is coming off wrong. This is a good conversation, though,
Gracie ellis that I've experienced it and I've seen it.
It's out there. Just got to give the right people
your time and not little boys playing men. I agree
with that. Anybody that's ever gone to Costa Rica with us,
or gone anywhere with us, any of the trips that

(44:43):
we've done, you see it with everyone that's there. All
of the men are taking care of their women. The
women are fucking doing the thing like we have built
that tribe. Azrael said, the same thing goes from men.
We want women like that, and unless we change our
own narrative, we won't ever find it. Beck said, when
I talk about my husband and our goals for the future,
I talk about us leaning more and more into the

(45:05):
trad life, speaking that shit into existence, and you should.
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
It's not for everyone. Financially, Excuse me, financially, I'm very
burpy all of a sudden to pat your back advert
we don't need that. I'd spittle. You'd have to be
a whole thing, be a whole mess. I understand that
not everybody is in a place financially to do the
trad wife thing in terms of stay at home and

(45:31):
like financial support. But you can do the trad wife thing,
trad life thing. That should be the term trad life,
trad life, not trad wife.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, you know, real funny thing. Men aren't getting shipped
on for their portion of this.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I never that just clicked. I never thought about that. Yeah,
that's you're wrong, though, because men get called simps for
taking care of their women the way that I take
care of you.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah, that's true. You know how many times.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
I've been called a punk because I've been taking care
of another man's kids. I have been called a lot
of nasty things because I'm raising the children.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Say that shit to my face, bitch. They're not saying
it to you, They're saying it to me.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, I'm a fuck boy, I'm a whole bunch of
other things because I'm raising another man's children.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
I would really love a peek in what their lives
look like for them to say that just so confidently.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Even if they did make me a punk. Because I'm
raising another man's kids, I'm doing more for those children
than most people are doing for their own kids. Right, So,
and I'm being careful the way that I word this,
but the reality is is those kids are getting a
better life because I'm a part of it. And their
kids are going to have a better life because I
was a part of their life. And the structure and

(46:42):
the discipline and the things that I'm instilling them are
our young Our son is going to grow up to
be a gentleman. Our daughter's going to have some fucking
expectations of what marriage looks like. And hope, you know,
hopefully she's able to to, you know, foster the life
that she deserves and she becomes the woman that deserves
the life that she wants. I don't think that they
would have the same quality of life into their adulthood

(47:05):
if I wasn't a part of this. So that every
young person needs a good quality man or a male
role model in their life, because men provide something that
women don't. Right, So, how can you even remotely say
that shit with confidence knowing that ninety percent of the
time when there's a step parent involved, or a bonus

(47:26):
parent involved, or somebody that has stepped into the role
of being a father to a child. How is that
How could that even remotely be a bad thing, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
What that I never had that thought. I never knew
that people got hated on for being step parents until
we started doing this. Blew my fucking mind. Yeah, for
all the people who want to talk shit about you
stepping up as a stepfather, where's your dad at? Are
you talking shit because you have daddy issues? Right? Was
your dad president didn't love you enough?

Speaker 2 (47:53):
It's probably stems it stems from it stems from the
hijacked red pill movement, the Andrew Tap bullshit and all that.
But when you really think about that too, though, there's
a very strong amount of people out there who have
the feelings they have because they were probably in a
relationship with a woman who had kids, stepped up and
had those kids janked from them. Because you can invest
twenty years of your life into a child, or ten

(48:14):
years or fifteen years or whatever, and your marriage could
end and as a step parent.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
You have no right to the children anymore.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
We know somebody personally that's going through a divorce right
now who adopted stepped into the role of being a father.
They didn't adopt them, and the father was there as
a weekend warrior and through the divorce. The father stepped
in and told this dude that, hey, I know you're
attached to the kids. If she tries to keep the
kids from you, when I have them on the weekend,
you can come see them.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
You know how fucking rare that is. Yeah, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
And like the difference in those two men, Like one
of them is a blue collar worker and one of
them is like a tech guy, so like they are
very different mindsets between those two people. But it's becoming
known now, like people are starting to speak about about
the fact that we could put a kid through college
and then never hear from them again because mom fucking
gets a hair upper ass or whatever.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Thin Mint said.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Oh god, I get so much hate because I love
all of my kids, and two of them aren't biologically mine.
They're loved as if they are. Though you get hate
like that as a woman. Do you get hate as
a woman if you had step kids?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Is that a thing?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I didn't know that was a thing, Tessa said, one
hundred percent. What are some of the things that you
guys hear as women stepping into the stepmother role?

Speaker 1 (49:27):
You shouldn't be surprised by that, babe. I've had women
tell me that I'm not a real mom because I
had cesarean section.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Right well, that I didn't believe that either until you
had told me about it, Like I would never believe
some shit like that. This is the whole perception is
reality thing. I don't live in your guys's world, so
I don't hear these things. And because I'm not a
woman who's raising another man's child or another woman's child,
I don't hear those kind of derogatory terms. But I
hear it from the men who think that I'm doing

(49:52):
some fucking wrong things. Jenna said gold Digger, biggest thing
I've heard is flak from the bio mom because why
we love some other woman's child if it wasn't for
the money.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
People are fucking sick. That's crazy to me, deluded, poisoned.
I want to take a bath tonight. Yeah yeah, just here,
and all of that makes me want to throw up.
I don't understand what people tell themselves to rationalize actually
saying that to another human being, Like who hurts you? Right?

Speaker 2 (50:23):
See that in this this doesn't even go like into
like a motivational movement kind of thing, like you creating
in cells and division between people and creating ugly and
hurt and division. That's that's the exact opposite of everything
that we do, Like we're trying to build people up
and to try to build a community and foster communication
and growth and love and harmony and all of the

(50:44):
things that are going out there. That's going against that.
That is just divisive. I don't understand what you get
from that, because I I I get something from people
improving their lives and saying, hey, your guys's information did
da da da da da. I feel good about that.
When my friends have a victory and they win, I
feel good about that. When my friends are going through
divorce and their life is falling apart, that doesn't make

(51:06):
me feel good. It sucks for them. Like I don't
want to see that. I don't want to you know,
I don't know. It just says a lot people are
fucked up.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Then it said people say that stepmom's being motherly is
trying to take over the mom role when they're just
natural caregivers. Kids are easy to love. It's the adults
that make it hard. Do you think that I'm trying
to take over the fatherly role with the kids. No,
do you think that's the case, when I don't think
that's the case period for anyone man or a woman.

(51:36):
If you marry somebody that's got kids, and you step
into that role because you guys are living together and
you're married, and you're going to be expending your existence together,
you're not doing it to replace anyone. You're doing it
because you agreed to live the rest of your life
with somebody and they currently have people under eighteen living
with them. That is part of the acceptance that you
take on when you marry somebody who has children. I

(51:58):
do understand that there are circumstances where there are unfit
parents and somebody needs to step into the role and
try to take over in that aspect. But if that's
the case, why don't you just be honest and say
the other parent's unfit instead of trying to throw shade
on the person who's trying to do right.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
How about you're a shitty.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Parent and if you did what you needed to be
doing as a parent, I wouldn't have to step in
and do these things. Then we could co parent by
Felicia said, like, what is this the parent supposed to
do when the kids are with the other parent? Just
ignore them right, Like, I don't know. We're an hour
and something in before edits, so this will probably be
right around to edit or right around an hour. Okay,

(52:33):
I have those forty questions. Okay, so I would like
to I would like to export an import. I would
like to I would like to wrap up this episode.
Just keep the thing running and go right into the
forty questions for Patreon exclusive content. Okay, you want to
take a quick break to run in the bathroom or
do anything before we do that. Okay, so then we'll.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Export, well export, babe, let's get sure.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
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