February 4, 2025 • 29 mins
What if one personal story could inspire thousands to take charge of their health? Join us as we celebrate a thrilling milestone—our podcast's remarkable growth with over 3,100 YouTube subscribers and a wave of views on TikTok. Amidst the excitement, we turn our focus to a deeply personal narrative centered on prostate cancer. This isn't just a recount of challenges and triumphs; it's a compelling call to action for men everywhere to prioritize regular PSA testing. Our journey highlights the love and urgency from family that catalyzed proper medical attention, while also exploring cultural differences in healthcare approaches.
Experience the raw and often emotional realities of battling cancer in Spain, illuminated by stories of hormone therapy and radiation treatment. We candidly share the mood swings, physical transformations, and the advanced technology that plays a crucial role in targeting tumors. This chapter isn't just about physical battles; it's about the human connections formed in the oncology wing, where compassion and support from fellow patients and medical staff create a semblance of hope. A memorable moment with a doctor during treatment showcases the unexpected humor and humanity that often accompany such journeys.
In the final stretch of our conversation, we emphasize the transformative power of sharing health journeys—not only for raising awareness but for building a community grounded in empathy and support. By opening up about our experience, we've inspired friends to get checked, potentially saving lives. We touch on the humor found in awkward medical exams and the invaluable lessons of health, family, and longevity. This episode isn't just a story; it's an invitation to engage, share, and foster a community devoted to well-being. Join us in this heartfelt narrative that champions proactive health and the power of personal stories.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I'm actually kind of excited about the momentum we've
got going with this show.
We started out we're just kindof playing around, not really
knowing what we were going to do, how it was going to be
perceived.
We had so many people justsaying you know, we love to
follow your adventures aroundthe world and we're just being
(00:25):
us and I'm kind of excited thatyou know when you look, that
we're, I don't know, a littleover 10, 11 weeks in or whatever
on the show and uh, we alreadyhave like over 3,100 subscribers
on YouTube, which is uh reallycool, and our all of our TikTok
little shorts and clips andstuff are they're getting like
40,000, 50,000 views in just amatter of days, and so it's kind
(00:47):
of exciting actually.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you so much, everybody,for your support and for not
hating so much.
I guess you guys are afraidthat I'm coming after you.
If you do, yeah, if you haven'talready.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Please do us a favor.
It's free, so just likesubscribe on YouTube, and the
podcast is actually on almostevery other platform there is,
so it is again it's free.
We have a new episode thatdrops every Tuesday morning at 6
am Central Standard Time onYouTube and then on all the
other podcast platforms.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, so let's get after this.
Yeah, so let's get after this.
Today's episode is a little bitof a harsh topic for us because
we had to deal with it in avery reality that I was living
and I had to be a rock for him,and he is going to share his
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story with us and what we wentthrough, and hopefully this will
help somebody else in theirjourney with this awful disease.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, I think a lot of people, you know, when I was
going through this, I put it on,I put the whole thing on
Facebook at the time and a lotof friends were like, why are
you sharing so many personaldetails about your health?
I said you know what?
If it saves one person's life,then it's worth it.
Because that's the problem.
They call prostate cancer thesilent killer, because most men
men don't even know they have itand that's the problem.
(02:28):
It's like oh, I have a pain,you may have to go.
You know, I get up and pee amillion times at night or
whatever.
Or you have maybe some symptoms, but a lot of times you may not
have any and you really onlyfind out by doing.
What you should absolutely bedoing is just when you do your
normal blood work, just say runmy PSA, because it's nothing
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more than running an extra teston your blood work and your PSA
score should be under a four,under a 4.0.
You're okay If it's above that.
If it's elevated, then they'regoing to do some more testing
and find out why it's elevated.
But when I had mine thishappened in about 2018 or so
2018, 2019, they ran my bloodwork and the PSA was an 8.7.
(03:17):
So they immediately knew rightaway okay, there's a problem
here.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
But the only reason this happened is because, like
you all know, my husband is 25years older than I am and, as an
American, you guys don't dopreventive health care and I
always say that.
So after he turned 50, I kepttelling him hey, you gotta go
see a urologist.
He's like, oh no, no, I'm fine,i'm'm fine and, honestly, like
(03:44):
when he we're, we were actuallygoing because we we own our own
business, so we didn't havehealth insurance here in the us
and we were going to mexico todo our like annuals right, like
our annual checkups andeverything.
And the annual checkup beforeall this happened was fine, like
Like his PSA was fine andeverything was fine.
(04:08):
You really didn't like I madeyou go to the urologist when we
moved to Spain.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Right, Well, that's when they found out was in Spain
, and then they automaticallyimmediately sent me to the
urologist.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
No, we went to the urologist, we went to Spain and
I told you well, now we're here,we have full health care
insurance, full coverage.
Now you cannot tell me no.
And you were like I don't wantthis guy to put his finger
inside my ass.
I was like, well, whatever, ifthat's what it takes, babe.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I'm used to paying a lot more money for that, and
usually in an Asian country.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
He's joking?
I hope he no, but I actuallymade you go and you're like,
okay, fine, like I remember youlike did not want to go, and I
literally dragged you and I madethe appointment for you and
everything.
And when we went there and heput his finger inside you, he
was literally like, oh, I feel abulge, like it's uh-oh, this
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can't be good, and I was like,yes, you never really want to
hear that from your doctor sayuh oh, this can't be good right
and I was like, oh, fuck my life.
And I was like, oh, fuck my life.
And I was like I told you youneeded to do this.
So he sent you to do some othertests and your PSA was 8.5.
And so when, men, when your PSAis high which usually happens
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to all older men it's either twothings either prostate cancer
or an enlarged prostate, andunfortunately, this is something
that happens to 95% of the meneither one or the other,
especially the enlarged prostate, and they give you some
medicine for that.
So the doctor at this point waslike okay, I can feel this, we
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need to do some more testing.
So they sent us to do amulti-parametric MRI.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I remember Right, it's actually you know.
Thank again.
Thank God we were in Spain,because this is a test that they
don't really even do in the USvery commonly, and if they do,
it was an MRI that shot over3,500 images from all these
different angles, got it by thecomputer and they came up with
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all these different images ofwhat the actual turned out to be
a tumor was on my prostate.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And I remember that that's when all like the journey
began.
You, number one, you'reclaustrophobic, yeah, and we
didn't know that you can requestlike a sedation for like an MRI
in Spain, because we didn'tthink about that.
So all we did was give I thinkwe gave you a Valium or
(07:01):
something.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, you gave me a Valium and I had to suck it up.
I know that was miserable.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
You were like, I can't do this.
I'm like, babe, come on, youcan do it.
And you pulled through that andnext thing was waiting for the
results, and I think that wasabout like a week for the report
.
And after that they came andthey said well, next thing we
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have to do it's a biopsy,because actually that's why they
send you to do the MRI, becausethey needed to do a biopsy.
But it has to be so precisewhere the tumor was that they
weren't going to poke somethingelse, because it's a very
delicate area that you can pokesome other things down there.
So they did, and then we wentto do the biopsy and I remember
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those were the longest 10 daysof our life.
Do you remember that, or it'sall blurred?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
out?
Not really.
I mean, I kind of remember thewhole process overall, but I
remember when we did the biopsyand we obviously had to go to
sleep and everything put me tosleep and all that stuff for the
biopsy and everything like that.
But that whole process was, Idon't know, very jumbled in my
mind now when I think back toall that and what we were doing
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and waiting.
But thankfully, when they didthe biopsy and they said, you
know, unfortunately, they saidokay, confirming, yes, you do
have prostate cancer.
But also with that MRI theywere able to see that thankfully
it had not spread to any otherinternal organs or to my lymph
nodes.
And that is why it's a silentkiller of a lot of men, because
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men wait too long and by thetime they find out that they
have the prostate cancer, it'salready spread to their lymph
nodes and then just carries itthrough the rest of the body or
it has spread to other organs.
And then that's where you're introuble, because I think when
they first came back with thediagnosis, the original
diagnosis okay, look, you dohave cancer.
(09:07):
I think it was stage two, highstage two.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
High stage two, almost three.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But thankfully it had not spread and so we said okay.
Then they gave me kind of twochoices at that period.
They said okay, you have, wecan either do surgery and they
gave me the laundry list of allthe side effects of what that
was going to be or you could doa targeted radiation therapy.
(09:37):
And it's it's intense, targetedradiation therapy.
And when I say intense infucking tense.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well, we didn't know that yet, because when they gave
us the options first, we had togo see an oncologist right.
And the oncologist gave us bothoptions and, depending on the
option we were going to do wasthe next specialist we were
going to see.
We were going to see and I gotto say we were so lucky that
(10:20):
when you decided to haveradiation they sent us with a
specialist that she is one ofthe nicest doctor.
She explained to us everysingle thing throughout the way,
and the way she took care ofyou with those radiation
treatments was like she was anangel for us.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, we decided to go with the radiation thing
because I think it was thelesser of the two problems evils
of all the things you're goingto have to do then.
But now let me clarify this.
But so when I it was adouble-edged sword.
So when I started that, madethat decision and we started
down that path she, I was apretty big boy.
(11:00):
We were living in LA and wewere like I was working out like
a fiend four hours a day.
I was big.
I was bodybuilding like crazy.
I was big.
We'll show you what that lookslike.
That's what I looked like.
So she said look you, you lookto be very, very strong.
You're going to need all thatstrength to get through this
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because this is going to wipeyou out.
But she goes.
I can also tell at your ageyou're probably on a little
testosterone.
That was helping.
You know, at your age you losetestosterone.
A lot of men, older men, you'retaking testosterone replacement
to help.
You can't lift like you're 25.
When you're 50 plus, I think Iwas like 58 or something.
So the year 57, 58 when, I gotdiagnosed but I was still 58 or
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something.
So the or 57, 58 when I gotdiagnosed, but I was still good
shape and everything.
But she said look, testosteronedoes not cause prostate cancer.
But if you have prostate cancerand you're taking testosterone,
it's like throwing gasoline ona fire and she goes if you, if
you continue to taketestosterone with prostate
cancer, you're dead.
I can't stop it.
I can't stop it from spreadingbecause it's going to spread and
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I can't control that.
So she goes.
Not only do you have to stoptaking testosterone, but I have
to kill your testosterone.
So I had to go on three monthsfirst of female hormones to kill
the testosterone.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, and that was a A very hard time for us.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, and, like you know, god love you women.
I don't know how you do this,because I just remember.
I remember, you know, lookingat you sitting and we'll start
bawling at the sunset.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Look at that sunset.
Oh my God, I know you werecrying.
I mean, my husband is a bitchnormally right.
It's so hard to deal with him.
I was like, oh my God, he'sgoing to be the bitchiest bitch
I've ever dealt with.
He was.
Normally he throws his tantrumswith food and everything and we
(13:03):
talked about that before butthis time I was like, oh my gosh
, how is this going to be?
You're going to be all.
Oh gosh, god help me here.
And you weren't that bad onthat, but you were very like
suddenly I will come like you'recrying.
I'm like what's happening?
You're like I don't know, likethere's some fire somewhere in
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the world.
I was like I understand, babe,I understand there is.
And then you're dying laughing.
I was like what's happeningright now?
Oh my gosh, what's happening?
Is he possessed?
And then you're like I was likewhat's happening, dude.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, I was definitely having a lot of weird
mood swings on those hormones.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And it was hard for him because you didn't have any
strength to work out.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
No.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And you went from being so muscular and big to
losing all your muscles and alsoeven gaining some boobs.
Yeah, like some boobs.
That was a part of the sideeffect.
I think it's the same femalehormones they do when they kind
of like change.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Sex change.
It was strong, whatever it wasCause I know like when I went
into that from lifting, I atthat time period when I was
lifting I could do the entirestack.
Every machine almost in the gymI could lift the entire stack
of weights.
I that was that was my thing Ilifted every, every single
machine, the whole stack ofweights.
Once I got on the hormones andeverything, it was like I could
barely lift a quarter of thosethings and I didn't even really
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want to work out anymore thenbecause I was just miserable.
And then I went through a longperiod of time that it took me
over.
Even after all the stuff, ittook me over a year and a half
to get back in the gym andreally feel like I was doing
something, and that was a longprocess.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But the reason why they gave you that is to prepare
your body to actually get theradiation therapy, because you
need to.
I remember, besides, that youhad to take some other
medication, kind of to prep yourbody for radiation, and it was
the three months to prep you forso it wouldn't keep growing,
right?
That's the reason they killedthe testosterone to avoid the
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tumor to keep growing andspreading and everything else.
It was like to put a stop on itbecause you're not having
nothing testosterone, there'snothing feeding that tumor
anymore.
So, yeah, I remember that.
And after that then that was Ithink we started September,
october, november, and thenDecember was when the radiation
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was coming.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, it started when the so she planned.
The great thing about this MRIis they feed.
The technology they use inSpain is so good and it's so
modern, it's so state-of-the-art, five-star.
They feed thosecomputer-generated images into
their program that actuallytargets.
(15:57):
Then they design the targetingof the radiation to hit the
exact points of where,statistically and with, I guess,
with modern technology and AI,they find the best way to kill
it.
And we did five very intensesessions over two weeks.
We did two the first week andthree the next week, and I
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remember the first one was thatwas scary.
I didn't know what was going tohappen.
You took me.
We were living outside of thecity a little bit, so we had
like a subway out there.
We didn't have a car at thetime outside of the city of
madrid, and so we go to thehospital and I just remember
that I was like, oh my gosh.
I was like fuck my life,because this I was.
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I'm in a I'm literally in acold, dark room.
I'm laying on a cold table.
I have I'm butt naked, legsspread open, shit shoved up my
ass, and laying there spreadeagle, two Gen Z girls dancing
around.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Nurses, not girls, not random girls.
No, not random girls Nurses.
Invite some people off thestreet in no these were actually
nurses, but they were Gen Zgirls.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
They were listening to EDM and they were just
dancing around in the room anddoing their thing, kind of
ignoring me, but just doingtheir thing, getting prepped and
everything.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Well, it would be super weird if they would be
just looking at you.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But I just felt I was like oh man, this is what a
situation this is.
And I remember specifically mydoctor.
She walks in the room and she'swearing her lab coat and she
had on high heel shoes.
She's wearing her lab coat andshe had on high heel shoes and
she's.
I hear her walking up and I'mon the table and she's walking
up and she gets one step awayfrom me and she slips and she's
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going.
She's about to hit her head,she's falling back and, with all
that crap in me, I literallyreached out with one hand and I
caught her and she didn't hitthe floor and she actually
started crying because she waslike and she's the doctor, she
started crying, she goes.
I can't believe, witheverything that's going on with
you right now, that you reachedout to catch me from falling.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And I had.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I literally said to her I said you know, you're
saving my life.
So you know I'm not lettinganything happen to you.
There's nothing going to happento you.
So we did the thing.
It was loud, it was obnoxious,it was 10, 15 minutes.
Didn't hurt at all, didn't Ithought?
(18:23):
And I thought, shit, this isnothing.
I can five, I can do five ofthese.
This is nothing.
And she had already left andthe girl's like, oh, you're done
.
And so I get up.
You know, I see you when I kindof walk out.
So I put my clothes on.
So I put my clothes on and youwere like how was it?
I said oh.
I'm fine, it's nothing, it's nobig deal.
I can do five of that, that'snothing.
Get from the hospital on thesubway and we sit down and I
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think we were on there what fiveminutes.
And I just looked at you and Iwas like, oh shit.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And I just boom.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, that was brutal .
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I know and honestly I think for me, when I was
waiting for you outside, thehardest part is seeing a lot of
people, because where we wereit's like the designated wing of
the hospital for treatingcancer patients from all kinds
(19:25):
right.
Yeah, the oncology, the oncologywing and for me, looking at a
lot of people there, that somany different people right,
like women without hair, kidsand I think that's the most
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draining part of it all Likesitting in there waiting for
your loved one to come out andseeing all these people that are
really, really, really bad inyour mind, thinking, man, if
this doesn't work, is that goingto be it.
Like how I was trying to be arock and and I'll be a rock, but
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at that moment I was like dangI I don't know if I can see you
like these people, because itwill.
It will destroy me.
And then you came out and youlooked fine, I was okay, he's
fine.
And then that happened rightLike you lost all your strength.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, it was like somebody, just literally.
It was like a balloon that theyjust let the air out of.
And it happened in an instanton the subway, Because I
literally remember looking atyou in the eyes and I just said,
oh shit.
And I just fell over on you andthen, if you remember, you had
to help.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I couldn't even walk to get out of there I could
barely make it up the steps.
You had to help me get up and Iwas like.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
This is the first of five, I have one more this week
and I have three next week andthat process was it didn't hurt,
but it's like you got ran overby a truck.
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I understand what she says now,why you're going to need every
bit of the strength you havebecause it is so tough on your
system because of what it'sdoing.
But we got through the five andnot long after that we went
back and the very first bloodwork they did in the PSA.
She was actually very excitedto see us.
She goes.
I want to see you right now.
She goes normally.
I would wait a while to see you, but I want to see you right
now.
She goes normally.
I would wait a while to see you, but I want to see you right
now because we did your bloodwork and you went from an 8587
to 0.04.
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She goes.
That's the most remarkablething I've seen almost in the
history of me doing this.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And what was cool is, after we were done with the
treatments, she showed us in thecomputer, like a perfectly like
kind of like, the images fromthe radiation machine and how
she showed us like look, this iswhere your tumor was, this is
the prostate and no other organsare being radiated.
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Like that was amazing.
And no other organs are beingradiated.
Like that was amazing, like theprecision that it was for that,
because we were worried aboutthat, like oh man.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
going to hit the other organs?
Is it going to hit the otherorgans that are healthy?
Then you know, like radiation,poisoning, like it's a whole
thing.
But it was so precise thatnothing outside the prostate was
touched.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And oh gosh, that was such a blessing too.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Well then she had me do PSA tests every six months
instead of every three months,and since that time period as of
December was my five years, andit's always stayed 0.03, 0.04.
And so now they say five yearsis the magic number.
You're never quite out of thewoods, but I guess after five
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years I'm still at 0.04.
So she was like congratulations, basically Ring the bell.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
And you made it through.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And you made it through babe, of you doing what
you did and listening yeah to,to me, to the doctor, to
everything that they told you todo and not to do, and and I, I
am, I'm proud of that and thefact that, oh gosh, I mean I
don't want to say thankfully yougot it, but thankfully you got
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it when we were in spain.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Right, because, again , we talked about this before.
You know, in the US God knowswhat that would have cost.
But in Spain, because of ourhealth care insurance, we pay
$247 a month, zero copay.
Every single test, every singledoctor, every procedure,
everything that included thiscancer treatment was absolutely
included for free as part of ournormal monthly premium of $247
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a month not a single dollar more.
And the great thing is too overthere is that, even if you had,
like some Americans, say ohyeah, but it's not American
doctor.
So one of the great things wedo have over there that we're
very fortunate part of theirsystem is MD Anderson Cancer
Center is in their system, inour insurance.
So if I wanted to go to MDAnderson there, I could do that.
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It wouldn't cost me anothercent more because they have to
follow the same rules as all theother hospitals do in Spain
under their healthcare system.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But honestly where you were treated and I gotta say
you were treated there and theprocess was hard and I
understand.
But long story like fastforward and long story short.
My mother was diagnosed withlung cancer.
Right Never smoked a day in herlife, she never smoked and it
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was this, like how you call it,like this genetic mutation in
her lung cells that only happenswith women that don't smoke, so
I.
She got diagnosed and she wastreated in the same hospital, in
the same oncology wing.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
With the same doctor.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Well, with one of her , the team that she did actually
had to get chemotherapy becauseit actually spread to her lymph
nodes.
And I remember when I wentthere and I saw the doctor,
she's like, what are you doinghere?
I'm like, well, I need to makean appointment.
She said for Mark.
I said no, for my mom this time.
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And she's like, oh my gosh,well, she's going to be in good
hands, and taking her to thesame place that I took you every
day.
It's like, oh my gosh, well,she's going to be in good hands
and taking her to the same placethat I took you every day.
Well, for like two weeks and Ihad to take her to the same
space.
It was like reliving over andover and over again what we went
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with you when we went with you.
But I knew she was in goodhands, right, and I I remember
like everybody was like, oh hi,you again.
I was like, yeah, me again,different loved one.
But yeah, I'm here again.
But she's, she's.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
She also made it through.
She also made it through andI'm happy.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And again, like now, our insurance is a little bit
more expensive because, you know, like Mark's cancer, mom's
cancer, but it's not that much.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Now for the three of us $500 a month.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
So all this cancer treatment for everyone, all the
stuff, all these things we'vedone.
$500 a month covers everythingand you can't beat that.
Everything and you can't beatthat.
But you've went through farmore than any person your age
should have to go throughemotionally to watch two loved
ones go through this mess.
But again we're sharing this.
We didn't want to come on andhave hey, let's have a crying
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episode.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
But it's a thing that we still get emotional about
talking about because it wassuch a tough scenario we made it
through.
I'm healthier now than I'vebeen in forever.
You know, I'm back in the gymand I don't try to lift the
whole stack anymore, but I haveunbelievable stamina, so I do
half the stack and I can go for90 minutes rest maybe 10, 15
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seconds between every rep and Igo, go, go.
So I'm strong as an ox, I feelgreat, my blood work is
spectacular and I'm in some ofthe best shape of my life.
But we're sharing this because,again, they always say after 50
, check your PSA.
I'm going to tell you right nowafter 40, check it, it doesn't
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hurt anything.
Just, it's nothing different.
Just say, hey, run my PSA score.
If it's over four, then youmaybe deal with something.
But it doesn't take much moreto say run my PSA.
But because, again, if it helpssave your life, then this is
worth this.
And I had a lot of friends reachout to me saying thank you for
sharing your story.
Because of what you did, I wentand got checked and, yes, I
(27:40):
have prostate cancer too, or I'mokay.
But I wanted to follow what wasgoing on to see what was
happening with you and don't beafraid and don't be embarrassed
and like she makes the jokes.
You know I didn't want somebodysticking their finger up my
butt and said you know, yearsago, when I first started
getting checked by, I had thisyoung, really attractive uh,
female doctor who was actuallymy person.
(28:02):
That did that and she chastisedme because she said you know,
you only need to come once ayear, not every week with a
bottle of wine.
So it's like I gotta put thatoff.
But no, seriously, we wanted todo this for you, to please give
you some advice that don't beafraid to go get yourself
checked out.
How long do you want to live?
(28:23):
What's more important in yourlife your loved ones and having
a long, healthy life?
Get checked out, get your bloodwork done, do the right thing,
see the right doctor, eat right,exercise, do all the stuff it
takes to stick around.
Like, subscribe, follow us,share these stories.
If you want to tell us you'refull of shit, that's fine too.
We really don't care.
We really appreciate youfollowing the journey with us
(28:47):
and please turn on as manypeople as you can to our thing.
We're having a great time doingthis.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, and we will be talking about other fun stuff,
not so fun stuff and follow usalong, thank you.
I'm actually kind of excited about the momentum we've
got going with this show.
We started out we're just kindof playing around, not really
knowing what we were going to do, how it was going to be
perceived.
We had so many people justsaying you know, we love to
follow your adventures aroundthe world and we're just being
(00:25):
us and I'm kind of excited thatyou know when you look, that
we're, I don't know, a littleover 10, 11 weeks in or whatever
on the show and uh, we alreadyhave like over 3,100 subscribers
on YouTube, which is uh reallycool, and our all of our TikTok
little shorts and clips andstuff are they're getting like
40,000, 50,000 views in just amatter of days, and so it's kind
(00:47):
of exciting actually.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you so much, everybody,for your support and for not
hating so much.
I guess you guys are afraidthat I'm coming after you.
If you do, yeah, if you haven'talready.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Please do us a favor.
It's free, so just likesubscribe on YouTube, and the
podcast is actually on almostevery other platform there is,
so it is again it's free.
We have a new episode thatdrops every Tuesday morning at 6
am Central Standard Time onYouTube and then on all the
other podcast platforms.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, so let's get after this.
Yeah, so let's get after this.
Today's episode is a little bitof a harsh topic for us because
we had to deal with it in avery reality that I was living
and I had to be a rock for him,and he is going to share his
(01:59):
story with us and what we wentthrough, and hopefully this will
help somebody else in theirjourney with this awful disease.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, I think a lot of people, you know, when I was
going through this, I put it on,I put the whole thing on
Facebook at the time and a lotof friends were like, why are
you sharing so many personaldetails about your health?
I said you know what?
If it saves one person's life,then it's worth it.
Because that's the problem.
They call prostate cancer thesilent killer, because most men
men don't even know they have itand that's the problem.
(02:28):
It's like oh, I have a pain,you may have to go.
You know, I get up and pee amillion times at night or
whatever.
Or you have maybe some symptoms, but a lot of times you may not
have any and you really onlyfind out by doing.
What you should absolutely bedoing is just when you do your
normal blood work, just say runmy PSA, because it's nothing
(02:51):
more than running an extra teston your blood work and your PSA
score should be under a four,under a 4.0.
You're okay If it's above that.
If it's elevated, then they'regoing to do some more testing
and find out why it's elevated.
But when I had mine thishappened in about 2018 or so
2018, 2019, they ran my bloodwork and the PSA was an 8.7.
(03:17):
So they immediately knew rightaway okay, there's a problem
here.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
But the only reason this happened is because, like
you all know, my husband is 25years older than I am and, as an
American, you guys don't dopreventive health care and I
always say that.
So after he turned 50, I kepttelling him hey, you gotta go
see a urologist.
He's like, oh no, no, I'm fine,i'm'm fine and, honestly, like
(03:44):
when he we're, we were actuallygoing because we we own our own
business, so we didn't havehealth insurance here in the us
and we were going to mexico todo our like annuals right, like
our annual checkups andeverything.
And the annual checkup beforeall this happened was fine, like
Like his PSA was fine andeverything was fine.
(04:08):
You really didn't like I madeyou go to the urologist when we
moved to Spain.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Right, Well, that's when they found out was in Spain
, and then they automaticallyimmediately sent me to the
urologist.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
No, we went to the urologist, we went to Spain and
I told you well, now we're here,we have full health care
insurance, full coverage.
Now you cannot tell me no.
And you were like I don't wantthis guy to put his finger
inside my ass.
I was like, well, whatever, ifthat's what it takes, babe.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I'm used to paying a lot more money for that, and
usually in an Asian country.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
He's joking?
I hope he no, but I actuallymade you go and you're like,
okay, fine, like I remember youlike did not want to go, and I
literally dragged you and I madethe appointment for you and
everything.
And when we went there and heput his finger inside you, he
was literally like, oh, I feel abulge, like it's uh-oh, this
(05:12):
can't be good, and I was like,yes, you never really want to
hear that from your doctor sayuh oh, this can't be good right
and I was like, oh, fuck my life.
And I was like, oh, fuck my life.
And I was like I told you youneeded to do this.
So he sent you to do some othertests and your PSA was 8.5.
And so when, men, when your PSAis high which usually happens
(05:38):
to all older men it's either twothings either prostate cancer
or an enlarged prostate, andunfortunately, this is something
that happens to 95% of the meneither one or the other,
especially the enlarged prostate, and they give you some
medicine for that.
So the doctor at this point waslike okay, I can feel this, we
(06:01):
need to do some more testing.
So they sent us to do amulti-parametric MRI.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I remember Right, it's actually you know.
Thank again.
Thank God we were in Spain,because this is a test that they
don't really even do in the USvery commonly, and if they do,
it was an MRI that shot over3,500 images from all these
different angles, got it by thecomputer and they came up with
(06:30):
all these different images ofwhat the actual turned out to be
a tumor was on my prostate.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And I remember that that's when all like the journey
began.
You, number one, you'reclaustrophobic, yeah, and we
didn't know that you can requestlike a sedation for like an MRI
in Spain, because we didn'tthink about that.
So all we did was give I thinkwe gave you a Valium or
(07:01):
something.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, you gave me a Valium and I had to suck it up.
I know that was miserable.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
You were like, I can't do this.
I'm like, babe, come on, youcan do it.
And you pulled through that andnext thing was waiting for the
results, and I think that wasabout like a week for the report
.
And after that they came andthey said well, next thing we
(07:29):
have to do it's a biopsy,because actually that's why they
send you to do the MRI, becausethey needed to do a biopsy.
But it has to be so precisewhere the tumor was that they
weren't going to poke somethingelse, because it's a very
delicate area that you can pokesome other things down there.
So they did, and then we wentto do the biopsy and I remember
(07:55):
those were the longest 10 daysof our life.
Do you remember that, or it'sall blurred?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
out?
Not really.
I mean, I kind of remember thewhole process overall, but I
remember when we did the biopsyand we obviously had to go to
sleep and everything put me tosleep and all that stuff for the
biopsy and everything like that.
But that whole process was, Idon't know, very jumbled in my
mind now when I think back toall that and what we were doing
(08:22):
and waiting.
But thankfully, when they didthe biopsy and they said, you
know, unfortunately, they saidokay, confirming, yes, you do
have prostate cancer.
But also with that MRI theywere able to see that thankfully
it had not spread to any otherinternal organs or to my lymph
nodes.
And that is why it's a silentkiller of a lot of men, because
(08:46):
men wait too long and by thetime they find out that they
have the prostate cancer, it'salready spread to their lymph
nodes and then just carries itthrough the rest of the body or
it has spread to other organs.
And then that's where you're introuble, because I think when
they first came back with thediagnosis, the original
diagnosis okay, look, you dohave cancer.
(09:07):
I think it was stage two, highstage two.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
High stage two, almost three.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But thankfully it had not spread and so we said okay.
Then they gave me kind of twochoices at that period.
They said okay, you have, wecan either do surgery and they
gave me the laundry list of allthe side effects of what that
was going to be or you could doa targeted radiation therapy.
(09:37):
And it's it's intense, targetedradiation therapy.
And when I say intense infucking tense.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well, we didn't know that yet, because when they gave
us the options first, we had togo see an oncologist right.
And the oncologist gave us bothoptions and, depending on the
option we were going to do wasthe next specialist we were
going to see.
We were going to see and I gotto say we were so lucky that
(10:20):
when you decided to haveradiation they sent us with a
specialist that she is one ofthe nicest doctor.
She explained to us everysingle thing throughout the way,
and the way she took care ofyou with those radiation
treatments was like she was anangel for us.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, we decided to go with the radiation thing
because I think it was thelesser of the two problems evils
of all the things you're goingto have to do then.
But now let me clarify this.
But so when I it was adouble-edged sword.
So when I started that, madethat decision and we started
down that path she, I was apretty big boy.
(11:00):
We were living in LA and wewere like I was working out like
a fiend four hours a day.
I was big.
I was bodybuilding like crazy.
I was big.
We'll show you what that lookslike.
That's what I looked like.
So she said look you, you lookto be very, very strong.
You're going to need all thatstrength to get through this
(11:23):
because this is going to wipeyou out.
But she goes.
I can also tell at your ageyou're probably on a little
testosterone.
That was helping.
You know, at your age you losetestosterone.
A lot of men, older men, you'retaking testosterone replacement
to help.
You can't lift like you're 25.
When you're 50 plus, I think Iwas like 58 or something.
So the year 57, 58 when, I gotdiagnosed but I was still 58 or
(11:47):
something.
So the or 57, 58 when I gotdiagnosed, but I was still good
shape and everything.
But she said look, testosteronedoes not cause prostate cancer.
But if you have prostate cancerand you're taking testosterone,
it's like throwing gasoline ona fire and she goes if you, if
you continue to taketestosterone with prostate
cancer, you're dead.
I can't stop it.
I can't stop it from spreadingbecause it's going to spread and
(12:09):
I can't control that.
So she goes.
Not only do you have to stoptaking testosterone, but I have
to kill your testosterone.
So I had to go on three monthsfirst of female hormones to kill
the testosterone.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, and that was a A very hard time for us.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, and, like you know, god love you women.
I don't know how you do this,because I just remember.
I remember, you know, lookingat you sitting and we'll start
bawling at the sunset.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Look at that sunset.
Oh my God, I know you werecrying.
I mean, my husband is a bitchnormally right.
It's so hard to deal with him.
I was like, oh my God, he'sgoing to be the bitchiest bitch
I've ever dealt with.
He was.
Normally he throws his tantrumswith food and everything and we
(13:03):
talked about that before butthis time I was like, oh my gosh
, how is this going to be?
You're going to be all.
Oh gosh, god help me here.
And you weren't that bad onthat, but you were very like
suddenly I will come like you'recrying.
I'm like what's happening?
You're like I don't know, likethere's some fire somewhere in
(13:26):
the world.
I was like I understand, babe,I understand there is.
And then you're dying laughing.
I was like what's happeningright now?
Oh my gosh, what's happening?
Is he possessed?
And then you're like I was likewhat's happening, dude.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, I was definitely having a lot of weird
mood swings on those hormones.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And it was hard for him because you didn't have any
strength to work out.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
No.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And you went from being so muscular and big to
losing all your muscles and alsoeven gaining some boobs.
Yeah, like some boobs.
That was a part of the sideeffect.
I think it's the same femalehormones they do when they kind
of like change.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Sex change.
It was strong, whatever it wasCause I know like when I went
into that from lifting, I atthat time period when I was
lifting I could do the entirestack.
Every machine almost in the gymI could lift the entire stack
of weights.
I that was that was my thing Ilifted every, every single
machine, the whole stack ofweights.
Once I got on the hormones andeverything, it was like I could
barely lift a quarter of thosethings and I didn't even really
(14:34):
want to work out anymore thenbecause I was just miserable.
And then I went through a longperiod of time that it took me
over.
Even after all the stuff, ittook me over a year and a half
to get back in the gym andreally feel like I was doing
something, and that was a longprocess.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But the reason why they gave you that is to prepare
your body to actually get theradiation therapy, because you
need to.
I remember, besides, that youhad to take some other
medication, kind of to prep yourbody for radiation, and it was
the three months to prep you forso it wouldn't keep growing,
right?
That's the reason they killedthe testosterone to avoid the
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tumor to keep growing andspreading and everything else.
It was like to put a stop on itbecause you're not having
nothing testosterone, there'snothing feeding that tumor
anymore.
So, yeah, I remember that.
And after that then that was Ithink we started September,
october, november, and thenDecember was when the radiation
(15:35):
was coming.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, it started when the so she planned.
The great thing about this MRIis they feed.
The technology they use inSpain is so good and it's so
modern, it's so state-of-the-art, five-star.
They feed thosecomputer-generated images into
their program that actuallytargets.
(15:57):
Then they design the targetingof the radiation to hit the
exact points of where,statistically and with, I guess,
with modern technology and AI,they find the best way to kill
it.
And we did five very intensesessions over two weeks.
We did two the first week andthree the next week, and I
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remember the first one was thatwas scary.
I didn't know what was going tohappen.
You took me.
We were living outside of thecity a little bit, so we had
like a subway out there.
We didn't have a car at thetime outside of the city of
madrid, and so we go to thehospital and I just remember
that I was like, oh my gosh.
I was like fuck my life,because this I was.
(16:39):
I'm in a I'm literally in acold, dark room.
I'm laying on a cold table.
I have I'm butt naked, legsspread open, shit shoved up my
ass, and laying there spreadeagle, two Gen Z girls dancing
around.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Nurses, not girls, not random girls.
No, not random girls Nurses.
Invite some people off thestreet in no these were actually
nurses, but they were Gen Zgirls.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
They were listening to EDM and they were just
dancing around in the room anddoing their thing, kind of
ignoring me, but just doingtheir thing, getting prepped and
everything.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Well, it would be super weird if they would be
just looking at you.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But I just felt I was like oh man, this is what a
situation this is.
And I remember specifically mydoctor.
She walks in the room and she'swearing her lab coat and she
had on high heel shoes.
She's wearing her lab coat andshe had on high heel shoes and
she's.
I hear her walking up and I'mon the table and she's walking
up and she gets one step awayfrom me and she slips and she's
(17:38):
going.
She's about to hit her head,she's falling back and, with all
that crap in me, I literallyreached out with one hand and I
caught her and she didn't hitthe floor and she actually
started crying because she waslike and she's the doctor, she
started crying, she goes.
I can't believe, witheverything that's going on with
you right now, that you reachedout to catch me from falling.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And I had.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I literally said to her I said you know, you're
saving my life.
So you know I'm not lettinganything happen to you.
There's nothing going to happento you.
So we did the thing.
It was loud, it was obnoxious,it was 10, 15 minutes.
Didn't hurt at all, didn't Ithought?
(18:23):
And I thought, shit, this isnothing.
I can five, I can do five ofthese.
This is nothing.
And she had already left andthe girl's like, oh, you're done
.
And so I get up.
You know, I see you when I kindof walk out.
So I put my clothes on.
So I put my clothes on and youwere like how was it?
I said oh.
I'm fine, it's nothing, it's nobig deal.
I can do five of that, that'snothing.
Get from the hospital on thesubway and we sit down and I
(18:50):
think we were on there what fiveminutes.
And I just looked at you and Iwas like, oh shit.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And I just boom.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, that was brutal .
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I know and honestly I think for me, when I was
waiting for you outside, thehardest part is seeing a lot of
people, because where we wereit's like the designated wing of
the hospital for treatingcancer patients from all kinds
(19:25):
right.
Yeah, the oncology, the oncologywing and for me, looking at a
lot of people there, that somany different people right,
like women without hair, kidsand I think that's the most
(19:46):
draining part of it all Likesitting in there waiting for
your loved one to come out andseeing all these people that are
really, really, really bad inyour mind, thinking, man, if
this doesn't work, is that goingto be it.
Like how I was trying to be arock and and I'll be a rock, but
(20:09):
at that moment I was like dangI I don't know if I can see you
like these people, because itwill.
It will destroy me.
And then you came out and youlooked fine, I was okay, he's
fine.
And then that happened rightLike you lost all your strength.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, it was like somebody, just literally.
It was like a balloon that theyjust let the air out of.
And it happened in an instanton the subway, Because I
literally remember looking atyou in the eyes and I just said,
oh shit.
And I just fell over on you andthen, if you remember, you had
to help.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I couldn't even walk to get out of there I could
barely make it up the steps.
You had to help me get up and Iwas like.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
This is the first of five, I have one more this week
and I have three next week andthat process was it didn't hurt,
but it's like you got ran overby a truck.
(21:15):
I understand what she says now,why you're going to need every
bit of the strength you havebecause it is so tough on your
system because of what it'sdoing.
But we got through the five andnot long after that we went
back and the very first bloodwork they did in the PSA.
She was actually very excitedto see us.
She goes.
I want to see you right now.
She goes normally.
I would wait a while to see you, but I want to see you right
now.
She goes normally.
I would wait a while to see you, but I want to see you right
now because we did your bloodwork and you went from an 8587
to 0.04.
(21:35):
She goes.
That's the most remarkablething I've seen almost in the
history of me doing this.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And what was cool is, after we were done with the
treatments, she showed us in thecomputer, like a perfectly like
kind of like, the images fromthe radiation machine and how
she showed us like look, this iswhere your tumor was, this is
the prostate and no other organsare being radiated.
(22:03):
Like that was amazing.
And no other organs are beingradiated.
Like that was amazing, like theprecision that it was for that,
because we were worried aboutthat, like oh man.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
going to hit the other organs?
Is it going to hit the otherorgans that are healthy?
Then you know, like radiation,poisoning, like it's a whole
thing.
But it was so precise thatnothing outside the prostate was
touched.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And oh gosh, that was such a blessing too.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Well then she had me do PSA tests every six months
instead of every three months,and since that time period as of
December was my five years, andit's always stayed 0.03, 0.04.
And so now they say five yearsis the magic number.
You're never quite out of thewoods, but I guess after five
(22:47):
years I'm still at 0.04.
So she was like congratulations, basically Ring the bell.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
And you made it through.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And you made it through babe, of you doing what
you did and listening yeah to,to me, to the doctor, to
everything that they told you todo and not to do, and and I, I
am, I'm proud of that and thefact that, oh gosh, I mean I
don't want to say thankfully yougot it, but thankfully you got
(23:21):
it when we were in spain.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Right, because, again , we talked about this before.
You know, in the US God knowswhat that would have cost.
But in Spain, because of ourhealth care insurance, we pay
$247 a month, zero copay.
Every single test, every singledoctor, every procedure,
everything that included thiscancer treatment was absolutely
included for free as part of ournormal monthly premium of $247
(23:48):
a month not a single dollar more.
And the great thing is too overthere is that, even if you had,
like some Americans, say ohyeah, but it's not American
doctor.
So one of the great things wedo have over there that we're
very fortunate part of theirsystem is MD Anderson Cancer
Center is in their system, inour insurance.
So if I wanted to go to MDAnderson there, I could do that.
(24:11):
It wouldn't cost me anothercent more because they have to
follow the same rules as all theother hospitals do in Spain
under their healthcare system.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But honestly where you were treated and I gotta say
you were treated there and theprocess was hard and I
understand.
But long story like fastforward and long story short.
My mother was diagnosed withlung cancer.
Right Never smoked a day in herlife, she never smoked and it
(24:41):
was this, like how you call it,like this genetic mutation in
her lung cells that only happenswith women that don't smoke, so
I.
She got diagnosed and she wastreated in the same hospital, in
the same oncology wing.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
With the same doctor.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Well, with one of her , the team that she did actually
had to get chemotherapy becauseit actually spread to her lymph
nodes.
And I remember when I wentthere and I saw the doctor,
she's like, what are you doinghere?
I'm like, well, I need to makean appointment.
She said for Mark.
I said no, for my mom this time.
(25:19):
And she's like, oh my gosh,well, she's going to be in good
hands, and taking her to thesame place that I took you every
day.
It's like, oh my gosh, well,she's going to be in good hands
and taking her to the same placethat I took you every day.
Well, for like two weeks and Ihad to take her to the same
space.
It was like reliving over andover and over again what we went
(25:39):
with you when we went with you.
But I knew she was in goodhands, right, and I I remember
like everybody was like, oh hi,you again.
I was like, yeah, me again,different loved one.
But yeah, I'm here again.
But she's, she's.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
She also made it through.
She also made it through andI'm happy.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And again, like now, our insurance is a little bit
more expensive because, you know, like Mark's cancer, mom's
cancer, but it's not that much.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Now for the three of us $500 a month.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
So all this cancer treatment for everyone, all the
stuff, all these things we'vedone.
$500 a month covers everythingand you can't beat that.
Everything and you can't beatthat.
But you've went through farmore than any person your age
should have to go throughemotionally to watch two loved
ones go through this mess.
But again we're sharing this.
We didn't want to come on andhave hey, let's have a crying
(26:35):
episode.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
But it's a thing that we still get emotional about
talking about because it wassuch a tough scenario we made it
through.
I'm healthier now than I'vebeen in forever.
You know, I'm back in the gymand I don't try to lift the
whole stack anymore, but I haveunbelievable stamina, so I do
half the stack and I can go for90 minutes rest maybe 10, 15
(26:59):
seconds between every rep and Igo, go, go.
So I'm strong as an ox, I feelgreat, my blood work is
spectacular and I'm in some ofthe best shape of my life.
But we're sharing this because,again, they always say after 50
, check your PSA.
I'm going to tell you right nowafter 40, check it, it doesn't
(27:19):
hurt anything.
Just, it's nothing different.
Just say, hey, run my PSA score.
If it's over four, then youmaybe deal with something.
But it doesn't take much moreto say run my PSA.
But because, again, if it helpssave your life, then this is
worth this.
And I had a lot of friends reachout to me saying thank you for
sharing your story.
Because of what you did, I wentand got checked and, yes, I
(27:40):
have prostate cancer too, or I'mokay.
But I wanted to follow what wasgoing on to see what was
happening with you and don't beafraid and don't be embarrassed
and like she makes the jokes.
You know I didn't want somebodysticking their finger up my
butt and said you know, yearsago, when I first started
getting checked by, I had thisyoung, really attractive uh,
female doctor who was actuallymy person.
(28:02):
That did that and she chastisedme because she said you know,
you only need to come once ayear, not every week with a
bottle of wine.
So it's like I gotta put thatoff.
But no, seriously, we wanted todo this for you, to please give
you some advice that don't beafraid to go get yourself
checked out.
How long do you want to live?
(28:23):
What's more important in yourlife your loved ones and having
a long, healthy life?
Get checked out, get your bloodwork done, do the right thing,
see the right doctor, eat right,exercise, do all the stuff it
takes to stick around.
Like, subscribe, follow us,share these stories.
If you want to tell us you'refull of shit, that's fine too.
We really don't care.
We really appreciate youfollowing the journey with us
(28:47):
and please turn on as manypeople as you can to our thing.
We're having a great time doingthis.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, and we will be talking about other fun stuff,
not so fun stuff and follow usalong, thank you.
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