From Assistant to Head Coach: Sullivan's Redemption Tour

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Good evening.
Two guys, one cup Sean and Rock.
May 1st 2025.
It looks like the Rangers areheaded toward hiring their 38th
coach I believe it is that'scorrect In the last two years.
Sean and Rock are here.
It looks like Gus latest.

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I guess that's Costa.
That's Costa's.
Is that the evil brother Cousin?
What do we got?
Human Human?
I know I learned today thatCosta is a human, so that's good
.
That's good.
I've also learned that MikeSullivan, which I saw someone
posted today, the worst keptsecret over the last four years

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is that Mike Sullivan would be acoach of this team under Drury
and it was no secret that Drurytried to.
He kicked the tires withPittsburgh before hiring Gerard
Gallant, so this has been theguy Drury has wanted the whole
time.
I'm sure it played.
Listen, you want to call it.
Uh, what's the tampering?

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Whatever these guys all talk,they're all friends.
Yeah, a jury hired, you know,um sullivan to be the coach team
, you say for the four nations.
It's.
It's a relationship that's goneon for for a very long time.
Uh, he was an assistant coachover Drury when Drury was the
captain of the Rangers.
God only knows how far backtheir relationship goes.

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It is what it is.
We'll talk about it here.
Rock, happy Thursday to you.
First off, how are you feeling?
I heard you're on the IL.
I'm day-to-day.
Are you on long-term?
I'm on the Michael Sauerday-to-day.
Oh, wow, we all know how thatworked out.

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I'm glad you're on the mend.
I'm glad you're on the mend.
I'm glad, happy to hear that.
That would have been a goodname for a podcast Michael Sauer
day-to-day podcast.
Wow, that would have been areally good one.
Would never end.
It would never end.
Longevity, yeah, absolutely 100, 100.
So, all right, when I firstheard the news I'm going to be

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honest with you and then you,you, I, I said this on our, on
our show uh, you, you text meand I brought it up on the live,
on the live thing that I didthe other night, and you said
how do I, how do you feel aboutthis?
And I think I don't know theother two words you use, but one
of them was indifferent.
What were the other two?
I said happy, basically happy,sad or indifferent.
So my initial reaction and thisis me, you know, being always

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glass, glass, half empty, typeof uh, ranger fan fan was with
Sullivan.
When I heard it, I was like,okay, all right, another guy
that has won somewhere else.
You know that's going to comehere collect the paycheck.
You know there's been threecoaches in NHL history we all

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know we've talked about thisthat have won the cup with
multiple teams.
And you know, and I said tomyself, is Sullivan the guy
that's going to be the fourthguy?
And are the Rangers, who arenotoriously the footnote, from a
negative perspective, going tobe the team that exercises the

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demons, is going to be the teamthat hires the coach for his
second.
You know his, you know hissecond team to win a
championship, right?
So you know I was like allright, you know, listen, they
have to do it.
I mean, seeing who else is outthere.
We went down the college route,david Carl.
We hired David Quinn.

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We all know how that worked out, even though I thought Quinn
was fantastic, his first seasonhere, much like every other
coach that has come through herethe last seven seasons since
AV's left.
So the candidates I wasn'timpressed with Tockett, they
kind of lost it over toVancouver.

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Do you really want to bring inthat guy?
And then the other name hasbeen Jay Leach.
I've never gotten the talk ofthe thing, mitch Long that name
came.
Who the hell is Mitch Long?
He sounds like a basketballplayer.
He was another guy they hadbrought up Right, you know what
name I heard.
You know what the name I heard?
There was a name that gotbrought up on nhl radio and I'm

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a big mccurran fan.
Guys who listen to the showknow, know that by now.
Right, right, um, but thecaller brought up manny
malholtra being a coach of therangers and I'm like they're
saying he might get a shot invancouver.
Oh, he might, and that's fine.
But again, I've said this, I'vesaid this for years the new
york rangers, the new yorkyankees, the dallas cowboys, the

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lakers, the knicks when youinsert big market, high profile
that the toronto maple leafs,these are not teams for
first-time head coaches when youare trying to win.
When the rangers hired davidquinn, they were going into a
rebuild.
They wanted a teacher.
I had no problem with that hireat the time.

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I matt carl.
This guy might be a phenomenal.
I think it's david.
I think it's david carl.
David car is matt carl'sbrother, mac.
Oh yeah, they're related.
Oh, they are related becausemac is a defenseman that played
for philly and right tamp and afew other good teams.
I think there's three Carlbrothers.
This is one of the brothers.
Okay, I think he's 37 years old, university of Denver, you know

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he had a ton of success withthem.
All great things.
Not New York City.
Not trying to get ourconvincing Artemia Panera to
play a certain brand of hockey.
Not convincing veteran playersthat have been in this league.
Matt Carl David, whatever hisname is has never been involved

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with the NHL.
He's never been an assistantcoach here.
He's never been an assistantcoach here.
He didn't play in the league.
How are you telling $11 millionathletes how to conduct business
?
Well, just out of curiosity andagain we would have to look
this up Did Paul Maurice?
Did he have head coachingexperience?

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I know he might have been anassistant, but he was fairly
young.
I'm just throwing this outthere.
I don't know.
And where did he start?
He started in Carolina Smallmarket.
If it doesn't work, it doesn'twork.
Listen, I definitely don'tdisagree with you about that.
I'm not about bringing in thosetype of guys.

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I just feel like they neverwork.
You said the first-time coach,like you said, david Quinn, was
brought in at the right time,when they brought in, when they
brought in Renny.
You know, I believe it was guyfor the perfect time, and I
think Renny did have someassistant coaching experience,
though too, right?
So again, wasn't he the playerdevelopment guy before he was?

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But I want to say he wasinvolved in the NHL.
He was involved in edmonton,wasn't he involved?
I forgot that was after us, wasit, wasn't it?
Yes, he was, but he wasinvolved with.
What's his name?
Uh, quinn, pat quinn, right,weren't they like?
I don't know that part, I just.
But I know that he went toedmonton after us, yeah, yeah.
So again, you're right, thosetype of guys never seemed to

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work.
He had no interest in that.
So my point was that there wasno viable candidates.
You really had no choice.
For me it was Quenville, it wasQuenville.
My second choice was Torts, inthe short term, for as long as
you're going to keep this corestill together, and then, when
the core breaks up, then you letTts go and you bring in your

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Matt, david, keith, carl,whatever his fucking name is.
That type of guy you bring inyour you know, boy, wonder and
who you hope can grow with theteam.
Yeah, yeah, but for every oneof those guys there's a Guy
Boucher, there's a Scarface outthere that has a glimpse of
success and the next thing youknow they're gone.
And everyone that turns into aPaul Maurice or a John Cooper.

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That doesn't happen to us.
Well, and Paul Maurice, to befair, sean, how many times has
he coached Toronto?
He coached Winnipeg, I mean, hebounced around before.
He's always had success, exceptToronto, except for Toronto,
he's always had a little bit ofsuccess.
That seems to be a common theme, unfortunately.
Yeah, toronto just won.

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By the way, I believe I wantedQuimble To me.
If you were serious abouttrying to win a Stanley Cup,
joel Quimble was the guy to hire.
I'm not going to disagree withyou.
The only thing that I agreewith a lot of people about with
him was that I think he needed amore low-profile place to go,
based off of the stuff, all thestuff that's been swirling

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around.
I just don't think this wouldhave been any— Describe a soft
landing spot for a hockey coach.
Why would a hockey coach need asoft landing spot for a hockey
coach?
Why would a hockey coach need asoft landing spot?
Because of all the stuff that'sgone on?
If Joel Quenville was hiredtomorrow by the Rangers, I would
be fine with that.
But I'm just saying Hold on,hold on Introductory press

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conference.
They put the jacket on him.
It's all Zoom, obviously, yeah,of course we get to watch
anything Right, it's all Zoom,obviously, yeah, of course
Everything's Zoom.
We get to watch anything Right,it's all Zoom, zoom.
The coach will have a pressconference for him.
Okay, they'll have the pressconference for him.
They'll put the 1939 jacket onhim or whatever the stupid

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jacket they put on all thesehead coaches when they hire him.
And it'll be asked.
It'll be asked in all thebreakouts.
It'll be asked of Drury why didyou hire this guy with a check
and pass?
It'll be asked of Quenvillewhat have you learned in the
last 10 years, 15 years sincethen?
It would all be over and donewith before training camp
started.
It would be old news by thetime the Rangers are 5-0 or 0-5.

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In October, the talk will be ofthe team.
It won't be of Joel Quenvilleand his mishandling of the Chris
Beach situation in 2010.
It won't be.
It would be back-page stuff forthe week that he was hired.
The day that he's hired,everyone will have their opinion
.
It'll be asked at the pressconferences and written about

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after the press conferences andthen it would go away.
Listen, I agree with you in somerespects, but just the way the
Garden's thinking right now andthis is just pure speculation on
my behalf is what's gone onwith Panarin, which went away
very quickly, if you haven'tnoticed that Went away very fast
.
I think they just didn't wantanother distraction.

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I think they kind of wanted todust this under the rug again.
Bill comes in, he walks usthrough the door.
All of a sudden, all thequestions come back up.
I just don't think they want.
They wanted to wash the handsof everything and not have any
other, any other trauma, andthat just that's just my pure
speculation.
No, no, and I've heard thisfrom people who, who actually
friends of mine, who know howDolan works, put it that way,
okay, know people that are veryclose to Dolan.

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And just the fact that JoelQuenville was never, ever going
to be a consideration for thisjob.
He wasn't three years ago, hewasn't four years ago, he wasn't
now, never a consideration.
I thought Torts would have beenthe guy.
Let's talk about Sullivan.
I'm just going to give mybird's eye view of Sullivan.

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I can't forget that I hated himas an assistant.
He was in charge of the powerplay.
And Sean, let me tell yousomething, the power play was
terrible.
I wouldn't be the least bitsurprised if 50% and yes, more
than 50% of this fan base evenremembers he was the assistant
coach for the Rangers.
I think so.
I would be.

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I, you know the, the, theintelligent fans, especially
ones in our group and oursurrounding groups that we
affiliate with, they'll all know.
But I'm sure there is a vastmajority of Ranger fans who have
grown up with AV.
From AV to now, we have no cluethat he was an assistant coach
with us and that he ran thepower play.

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And it was an inept power playwith talent.
It wasn't like this team didn'thave talent to have a power
play.
Oh, they had talent, not likethis team, not like these last
five years.
But they had Brian Callahan,sean, 30 goals for him, is he?
I mean, that's the.
He wasn't on the first powerplay.
They had Gabrick, they hadRichards Gabrick.

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Yeah, they had talent.
They had like the 30th powerplay.
You remember when we used toget a power play.
It was like, can we just?
So let me ask you a question.
It was a joke Can we declinethe power play?
But, to be completely fair,they have never had and I know
you're not a fan, but Fox is abetter quarterback than anyone

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ever had, including McDonough,and I love McDonough.
He was not a quarterback for awhile.
No, he's a five on five defense.
I can give you that, fox.
And is Panarin the best playerthe Rangers have had in the last
20 years?
Yes, I mean Jager's borderline,but you had Jager at the end of
his career.
I mean Panarin's doing stuff.

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Panarin's doing things thatwe've never seen.
Right With the longevity thathelps, yes, exactly, but, I'm
sorry, finish, no, no, I just Ican't get out of, I can't get.
I know it's been 12 years orwhatever, however long it's been
, but when I still remember whenPittsburgh hired Sullivan to be

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the coach, I laughed at it.
I know I'm like, great, awesome, I did too, just like I'm
seeing islander fans todaytalking about hiring peter
chiarelli to be their gm.
I'm like, yes, please hirepeter chiarelli.
Oh, where did you see that?
Uh, some islander, uh, listen,if they an islander version of
us, I will die, I will, I willliterally, I will literally, I

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will metaphorically, I willmetaphorically die.
If that happens.
I mean that would be absolutelyepic If that happens.
I exactly how I felt when thePittsburgh penguins hired Mike
Sullivan yeah, and then here weare, we're facing them in his
first playoff series as theircoach and their goalie gets hurt
, and it's like we're going to,we're gonna, we're gonna win

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this series in five, just likewe did in 2015.
And then hank throws the net offthe fucking moorings and here
we go, you know, and jeffzabkoff, uh, shuts us out right,
and he goes on and wins a cup.
And you got to give him creditthat he made the goaltending
change.
Um to matt murray, that he hadthe balls to do that with a hall
of Fame goalie that had won acup there already.
That couldn't have been apopular decision in the locker

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room, let alone anywhere else.
That's what I'm hearing andthat's the one thing I can say
that I've liked about what I'veheard is that he does hold
players accountable.
But I mean, is it fair to saythat we heard the same thing
about la violette and aboutgalant?
We did so, I were, until I seeit right, happen in a game.

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I mean it is.
It's all.
It's semantics.
At this point, I need, I needto see it.
I need to see, what do you takethings?
What do you take from all right, because there's always going
to be the argument I don't knowwhy my camera's not very blurry
for some reason.
Yeah, I mean, it's alwayssomething technical.
Yeah, pretty soon you're justgoing to see the uh, the stripes

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, like.
You know the tv, you know whenthe tv station goes out.
Yeah, um, what do you take fromthe person who says he had four
hall of famers, including sydneyCrosby, on his team?
He should have won two cups,and doesn't get any credit?
Name me a Stanley Cup team thatdoesn't have four Hall of
Famers on it.
I mean there are very few teams.

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He'll bring up the St LouisBlues.
He'll bring up the freaking StLouis Blues for every goddamn
freaking time.
I was counting the Kings.
No, no, it was the Kings.
I was counting Quick KopitarDowdy.
Goddamn friends, I was actually.
I was counting the kings.
No, no, it was the kings.
I was counting.
I got the quick kopitar dowdydowdy, you know made.
You know, dustin browns I'mmaking.
Probably not jeff carter's,probably not gabbert.
I mean it's close.
I mean it's close.
Good players, not whole offamous, but those three are

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right, so they have three.
So it's close.
I mean I would have to goreally go down through the
roster, but I mean because theymay have.
They might have gotten some atthe trade deadline.
That was a Hall of Famer.
I'd have to go back and look.
So, jimmy Mack Drury neverwanted Quinville.
Sully was absolutely pathetic asthe assistant coach.
29th ranked power play in 2012,.
30th in 2013.

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Yeah, jimmy, I can't get thatout of my system.
He needs to.
I mean, I've accepted he'sgoing to be hired here and he'll
be the coach, but, man, he'sgot to do something to wipe that
taste out for me.
And listen, I think he will andI think it's only a matter of

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time before he does.
The one thing we haven't gottento and I don't know if you want
to get to it already, but wheremy opinion changes about this
hire is if Tortorella is comingon board with him, because now
you have a two-headed monsterwhere now it's essential You're

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hiring two head coaches andyou're hiring two separate,
maybe two differentpersonalities, but have the same
idea of what they want to dofor the team.
Now it would have to be asituation where Torts obviously
Torts would be accepting of it.
He wouldn't be taking the joband he's and he's got a close

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relationship.
He'd be like the associatecoach.
But would he be able see,because for all of torts's
antics and there are a lot ofpeople who don't like I mean,
jeff fortgang fucking despisestortorella, I love there are a
lot of people who don't likeTorts.
I hope he does handle the pressconferences.
Mike, honestly that is gold,him and Rex Ryan in this town at

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the same time was something tobehold.
Man, oh my God, I couldn't getthat through the Midtown Tunnel
fast enough to hear his pressconferences after a loss.
Anyway, because behind all ofthe antics and all of that
there's genius in there.
He is that good of a hockeycoach.
So if he's gonna, if sullivan,not if he's gonna let sullivan,

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if sullivan's the head coach andhe's bringing on torts, to
essentially be the teacher tothese guys a little bit.
Because the head coach you knowwe, we've learned through the
years the assistant coaches arecloser to the players usually
than the head coach, right?
Assistant coaches usually theones in the locker room talking,
talking x's and o's to the team, head coaches in the office,

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you know, usually for most, mostof the time.
So could Tortorella in thislittle bit of a reduced role,
actually be more of a teacherand have a completely different
personality towards these guys,as he's not the whip cracker, so
to speak.
So we're not going to hear astiffen up?
No, we're not going to hear it.
I just watched it 20 minutesago.

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I swear to God, just before wegot on, I just saw this Stiffen
up or you're not going to likeit or you're not going to play.
Oh, my God, I love that line.
If you're not going to playstiff, you're not going to play.
Maybe you know, sean, he justmay be tired yeah, it could be.
He may be tired of answeringall the questions, or maybe he

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just wants to coach and not haveto deal with the spotlight.
I have a reference that 90% ofyou are not going to get.
The 10% of you that get it willlaugh Blue Chips.
You ever see the movie BlueChips?
Of course I've seen the movieShaq, penny Hardaway.
Of course we're dating our agehere for some reason.
Yes, a lot Blue Chips.
To be fair, though, we werevery young when that movie came
out.
Yeah, I think that could be 93.

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Was it 93?
Yeah, shaq was a rookie.
No, shaq was a rookie, it was93.
Oh, yeah, you're right, I wasin eighth grade.
Yeah, you're right, pennyHardaway was the 94 draft and so
he was in it too.
I was in eighth grade, right,and good old Ricky Rowe, ricky
Rowe, yeah, anyway.

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So what's Nick Nolte's?
Something was his character, ohgod, yeah, not pete boyle, but
it was like a easy, easysounding name.
Um, so you see the tensionbuilding up in him this whole
time and he's he's a bobbyknight type of coach and he's a
nut job and he screams ateverybody, kicks chairs, throws
balls, all this shit.
And he didn't like having topay the players.
And when he confesses all of itto the media at the end of the
movie, it's like a weight justcame off of him and he walks out

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of the arena from the pressconference, walks out of the
arena and he's walking down thestreet.
Yeah, and what does he see?
Some nine and ten year oldsplaying pickup basketball, right
, and he goes over there and hejust starts.
He starts doing his thing, hejust starts teaching people.
That's what it was.
I was gonna say pete best, buthe was so.

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Could that be a scenario herewhere it's like I don't know, I
no longer have the stress ofbeing the head coach.
I'm not the motivator.
I can just, I can just workwith these guys.
Yeah, no, maybe, maybe that's arole that he'll embrace, maybe
that's his idea at this point.
It's definitely possible.
I mean, I just think that youknow.

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Thank you for allowing thatwhole thing, by the way.
No, that was great because Ilove that movie.
I remember as a kid really Igot my dates screwed up.
I actually went on a cruisewith my first cruise, with my
family.
On the cruise ship they had amovie theater and they played
the same three movies and Iprobably saw Blue Chips three
times while I was there.
So I love that movie.

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It's a good one.
Bush McRae With Papa, rock, neonBordeaux we didn't just get him
a car, mcrae.
And with with Papa with neonneon Bordeaux.
Yeah, um, but anyway, just gethim a car.
We got him a fucking Lexus.
No, it was a nuclear surfboard.
Yeah, happy was the other guythat was the JT wall.
She always played a prick.
Friends of the program yeah,friends of the program my, our

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hands are clean.
Anyway, we'll talk about bluechips on another show.
Yeah, we have plenty of summerepisodes.
We can talk about blue chips.
Yeah, we just lost peoplebecause you started talking
about blue chips.
Sorry about that, guys, I'monly kidding.
But as far as torts, I thinkbringing him in if that's in

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fact the way they're going to beheading, in, whatever capacity
he's brought in, as you know Ithink it's a smart decision.
I think they saw the resultsfrom the four nations and maybe
they realized that they couldall coexist.
So it's not a bad idea.

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No, I mean, it's not a bad idea.
Who was the other coach?
What?
Who was the other coach withthem?
There's usually two assistants,right.
You know, I don't even rememberDavid Quinn.
I know David Quinn was on thestaff at Pittsburgh.
Yeah, no, he's not coming.
That was laughing, hysterical.
I said when was the last time?
I said that would have to be atNHL?
Like when was the last time youever saw a head coach and an

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assistant and then they comeback to the same team in the
reverse role, like that'sunheard of.
So who's coming back?
It's been you coming back.
It's been a very long time forTorts to where Right, and he's
at the end of his coachingcareer anyway, most likely.
No, no, for David Quinn.
There's no way in the worldDavid Quinn would come here.
David Quinn's somewhat still inthe prime of his coaching career

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.
I mean, what is he in his 50s?
But you don't come back to thesame team that divorced you.
There's so many of the sameplayers oh yeah, there's so many
of the same players.
Right Towards, all he's got isMiller and Tyler.
That just goes to show you that.
What was I going to say?
How much this team has notturned over in the last five

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years.
I mean, david Quinn's only fiveyears removed and we are
looking at essentially the sameteam that he came back to.
Exactly.
He was the start of the score,exactly.
But not to throw cold water oneverything and I'm not because I
am very anxious to see, if thisdoes come to fruition, right,

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what they can do, but I hate tobreak it to you you bring in
real rolling back the same team.
You're not getting a muchdifferent result.
This team is still not goodenough to win a championship.
They're not, sean.
Watch these teams that areplaying.
They're not better than them.
I'm watching, man.
I've been watching.
They're not Sean.
Watch these teams that areplaying now.
They're not better than them.
I'm watching, man.
I've been watching a lot ofthis a lot of the playoffs.

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They're not better, they're notbetter.
I mean, you want to, and I'lltell you what team in the East
is scaring me.
None of them.
Florida, even them.
I'll tell you right now.
If Tampa Bay, thank you.
So Quinns was an assistant inthe Four Nations.
Thanks, mike.
And John Hines oh, john Hines,who we almost hired instead of

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Javier Letts.
There's another guy that'sloved by this.
These are his guys, these areDrury's guys.
If Tampa Bay doesn't playFlorida in the first round, if
they played Toronto in the firstround, they'd beat Toronto.
So those are two teams you'renot beating.
So either one of those teamscome out of the Atlantic.
You're not beating any eitherof those.
So until they can, it's mypoint, plain and simple.

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It's not about making theplayoffs anymore, it's not about
winning a round, it's aboutwinning a championship.
Oh no, you are not good enoughto beat Florida.
If you're not good enough tobeat Tampa, it does not matter,
and I can't bank on Tampa.
If it's Ottawa or Buffalo orToronto knocking one of those
teams out, you can't depend onthat.
You need to be better thanthose two teams, and they are

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not better than those two teams.
They need to be those two teamsPersonnel-wise.
I think they have more talent,so they need to play better.
They do Based off of what.
Who's okay, right, here we go.
How are you doing this?
How are they better?
In what way?

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Let's bring up Florida.
Bring up Florida's roster.
You tell me if, other thanPanarin and maybe JT Miller, I
would put Reinhardt, I would putBarkov, I mean Verhege's better
than the next year guy afterthose two guys, verhege, if

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Carter Verhege was on theRangers this year and put up his
stats, you would have ran himout of town.
What did he put up?
Guess, because you justmentioned him 20 goals, 20
assists, 40 points, 20 and 33.
He had 53 points.
It was a minus 14.
Playing 18 minutes a night?
Okay, how is he playing theplayoffs?

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I don't care about the regularseason anymore, oh, but that's
what we were talking about.
No else, I don't care about theregular season anymore.
Oh, but that's what we weretalking about.
Well, I don't know.
No, I'm talking about winning achampionship, for hakey has two
goals and an assist in fivegames in the series.
Okay, how many overtime winnersdoes he have?
I don't know?
Oh well, I'm just.
I'm just looking at this season.
I'm not.
I am no longer basing my statsand anything on regular season.

(27:44):
To me, it all boils down to whatthis team does, these teams do
in the playoffs and every.
Tampa Bay and Florida both havenot only superior players in in
a lot, in almost every position, they also have playoff
pedigree, which they Rangershave zero of.
That's not true.
They played in how many playoffseries in the last three years?

(28:05):
I don't care, that's pedicure.
How many of them did they playin insignificant goaltending?
How many series did they playagainst backup goaltenders that
they won?
I mean, you have to take thatinto consideration.
I'm sorry.
Well, how, how?
I don't, because it's teamversus team.

(28:26):
Rangers didn't have guys hurt.
Be dead honest with me.
I had to hear about how AdamCox was hurt.
If Tristan Jari is healthy, intwo years ago and he was having
a good season Can you tell mewhat team Tristan Jari plays for
now?
I don't care.
I'm talking about three yearsago.
Jim Carrey won a Vezina and hewas out of the league.
In three years you can have agreat season.

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Tristan Jari was having a verygood year before he got hurt.
It was not Tom Barrasso, thethird string goal and he barely
beat them.
This is Tristan Jari, who is athird string goalie, so I don't
care.
Sean, we saw Darcy Kemper win acup.
He's freaking awful.
He's not awful.
Darcy Kemper is not a goodgoaltender.
He's going to be a runner-upfor the Besna this year.

(29:09):
What are you talking about,dude?
I don't agree with that.
He was great this year.
He played for it's Hellebuck.
Who are the three for the Besna?
It's Hellebuck, I think, it'sVasilevsky and Kemper.
I don't think so.
I know for a fact.

(29:29):
Darcy Kemper is one of thethree finalists for Vesna.
How the hell did that guy win?
How the hell is that guy afinalist for Vesna?
He was great for LA this year.
There's your answer.
That's how one guy can have agood season, but it's not his
only good season.
He wasn't good for Coloradothat year.
He was good.
Colorado was good in spite ofhim.
You want a cup?
Yeah, that's my point.

(29:49):
You can win a championship withnot good goaltending.
Listen, you cannot sit here andtell me that Tristan Jari is.
Oh, if Jari was in that Firstof all, if it wasn't Jari in
that game seven.
My point is yeah, tristan Jariplayed game seven and we won.
If they're not playing for howmany weeks If they're not

(30:12):
playing for two games?
And they lost in overtime?
Did he not start the series?
No, Casey DeSmit started theseries and then he got hurt.
I don't give a shit.
Tristan Jari played in gameseven.
I don't want to hear anythingabout it.
That's my point.
My point of the matter is thatit's Tristan Jari.
We're making excuses aboutTristan Jari.

(30:34):
I'm saying if your number onegoalie goes down and you're
playing your third stringgoaltender, tristan Jari.
Yes, torts and Carter did have arocky relationship, but I don't
think Kreider's going to behere, unfortunately.
So I don't think it's going tomatter.
But he loved Miller.
He did love Miller.
It's weird.

(30:54):
He loved Miller and didn't likeKreider.
And then AV came in, who didn'tlike Miller and loved Kreider.
It was very weird.
Our two best prospects, yeah,flip-flopped as soon as the
coach came in.
Yeah, that's true, that's agood point.
I don't think Ekblad is a bigloss.
I mean, I think they'll justdisperse the money elsewhere.

(31:18):
Bennett's a loss for Florida.
Bennett's a huge loss forFlorida.
They were just talking aboutthat in the chat.
I apologize for not knowingDarcy Kemper had a high.
By the way, I apologize for notknowing Darcy Kemper had a high
percentage.
I did not know that.
I love having this new chatfeature on StreamYard.
As opposed to what we used tobe using, it's so much easier.

(31:40):
We would have to get our phoneout and look at it from there.
This is really great.
I forgot what we werediscussing, where we left off
Tristan.
You were still waxing poetic onTristan.
My point is my feeling is thatthe Rangers have won serieses

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and then we're going to sevengames, in most of them against
teams playing por poorestgoaltending.
And how happy is Carolina?
I mean, they owe the Devils,but how happy are they that they
don't have to face us, becausethat's the only way that team
will ever win a championship isif they don't have the playoffs.
And it's just so funny becausethey play so well against us in

(32:25):
the regular season and then theymeet us in the playoffs and
they don't have the playoffs.
And it's just so funny becausethey play so well against us in
the regular season and then theymeet us in the playoffs and
they don't know how to handle us, which is really strange.
And it's really one of the fewteams that I could say that the
Rangers have owned for the mostpart in the playoffs, which is,
you know, there's not Other thanthe bubble.
They don't beat us.

(32:47):
Yeah, the bubble I don't reallycount.
I don't even count that it'smaking the playoffs.
But I forgot what I was saying.
But I just until they can beatthose teams, until they can beat
those elite teams, we're goingto see what Washington does
against a better opponent.
I mean, they still went to sixgames, I believe, right, they

(33:07):
only went to six games, Ibelieve, right.
Well, they only went to fivegames with Montreal and from
what I understand and I didn'twatch any of the series Montreal
gave them a run for their money.
It wasn't like these games werea walkover.
I believe None of them wereblowouts, right?
Maybe one of them Was one ofthem a blowout.
It's the playoffs.
You're not going to face teamsthat.
You're just going to sweep fourgames and win 5-1 each game.

(33:33):
It doesn't exist anymore, likewe did against the Islanders in
94?
That's a different league.
That was a much differentleague where it was way more
top-heavy than it is now.
There's so much parity thatthat doesn't happen anymore.
Think of it the Rangersfinished where they finished.
If the Rangers had made theplayoffs and it wasn't Montreal.

(33:53):
You're telling me that therewasn't at least an opportunity
that they could have turned theswitch on and just walked all
over Washington?
Of course they could have.
They had the talent too.
Yeah, and to be fair, just likehow we were in the playoffs
last year and I don't think weplayed great against Washington,
we just did what we needed todo Again, played another
inferior goaltender.
There's all the pressures onthe top seed.

(34:18):
I mean there's zero pressure.
There was zero pressure.
Just like if we had gotten in,it would have probably benefited
us if we would have been alower seed, because there's no
pressure on you to do anything.
You're not expected to win.
So you know it's sometimesthat's.
It's easier to play in thosecircumstances.

(34:41):
This is all going to come downto leadership.
I still agree with everythingMessier said during that
intermission getting the firstgame of the playoffs.
Sean, I can't stand.
I cannot see stand seeing thisteam walk it back again.
I can't, I can't, I can't watchit again.
Until you have leadership.
None of none of the personnelmoves matter until you have
leadership.
So sullivan comes in and youhope that he brings a certain

(35:04):
cachet and maybe a little morefire than necessarily Laviolette
brought.
Like you said, we never sawLaviolette hold anyone
accountable, which is contrast.
I saw Gallant holding peoplemore accountable than Laviolette
.
I agree.
Let's go from Sullivan's pointhere.
It's been how many years sincehe's won a playoff series?

(35:26):
It's been a while, 2018.
And he still has Sidney Crosby,who and let's be honest, he
hasn't slowed down.
I don't care how old he is, hehasn't slowed down.
He's still a top five player inthe league.
Fucking prick Crazy.
Yeah, the guy had 91 pointsthis year, him and Ovechkin.
I just want to stab them.
I'm just so tired.
Can they just fucking go away?

(35:47):
I mean, we've seen them.
We're watching them for almost20 years now.
Just fucking go away.
Get out of the fucking EasternConference.
Go away.
I'm so tired of the both ofthem.
It's just yeah, just go away.
And to be in the those two guysin the Metro for 20 years we
got to watch these two guys, yep, oh my God, awful.

(36:08):
I'm so tired of both of them.
So Sullivan wins the Cup hisfirst two years at Pittsburgh
Right, gets to second round in2017-18.
And then four straight yearseliminated in the first round.
It's not, it's almost like so.

(36:29):
It's been one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
It's been eight years sincehe's won a playoff series.
When you have a coach that went,that's won a cup and now he's
looking to get back to the topof the mountain again.
That's eight years.
This has been eating at himprobably.
Wow, has it really been?

(36:49):
That's a lot.
That's a long fucking time, man.
17 was the last time he he won,got past the first round.
I thought it was 18, but thatdoesn't matter, I'm sorry.
18, 18, right, he got to thesecond round at 18, because then
that was the year they beatottawa right in the uh.
No, that was after they beat us.
Oh, they won the cup and theybeat ottawa right.
Is that the?
That was after they beat us.
Oh, they won the Cup and theybeat Ottawa, right.

(37:10):
Is that the year they won theCup?
No, so the first year they wonthe Cup.
The second year they beat us inthe first round.
The second year was when welost to Ottawa.
In the second round we lost toOttawa, ottawa took them to
seven games in the EasternConference Finals.
They almost beat them.
And then they get to the secondround the next year.
That was the last time Ottawawon a playoff series.
That was what it was.

(37:31):
Okay, I'm sorry, I've got myfacts screwed up a little bit.
The 2018-2019 season and threemore years after that, first
round eliminations, and thenthey haven't made the playoffs
in the last three years.
You know what worries me?
This is another caveat thatbothers me, bothers, that I'm
concerned about that.

(37:51):
They are going to bring allthese guys back, that keonji
mill is coming back, thateveryone, everyone's coming up,
but everybody's everybody, andI'm not just saying that like
that.
They're not going to makedecisions that maybe need to be
made because this new guy iscoming in.
But we said this already.
We said that we went line byline who's not going to be here,

(38:16):
who should be here, whoshouldn't be here?
No, we're being honest withourselves.
I know we did do that.
If it's Cooley Miller andZibanejad, if it's 10, 30, 10,
16, 13 again, yeah, I know.
If it's cry, I cried.
There's the one wild card.
We don't know what aboutchandra miller, though?
I think gun to my head.

(38:39):
I think he comes back on abridge.
I don't think he gets to, Idon't think that he gets the
long-term deal he's looking forand I don't think the rangers
have any appetite to give him along-term deal either.
I think that they will look fortrades.
Five million dollars how do youkeep this guy over five million
dollars?
He plays 23 minutes a night buthe doesn't put up any points.
23 points you get five milliondollars up, but putting up 23

(39:01):
points and be a turnover machine, I mean I, I just don't
understand how an arbitration,how these arbitrators don't say
okay, how many times do you haveto put over?
I don't think it getsarbitrated how many pucks?
But my point is is why not?
And when they do go toarbitration, there's no point
Because all they do is split thedifference.
Okay, I want $12 million, wewant to pay you four.

(39:24):
Fine, we're going to give youeight.
I mean, no one wins, no oneloses, they only always split
the difference.
Don't underestimate thestability.
And you know what, johnny Mac,they need two defensemen.
They definitely need twodefensemen.
They don't have a top four.
They do not have a top fourdefenseman already with Fox's

(39:48):
partner, which is the firstproblem.
And if Keiondre Miller doesn'tcome back, then now that's two
holes.
It should be Miller.
It should be Miller.
Miller should be playing withFox.
I think you need the athleticismon one side and the brain on
the right side.
I think that's how you protectit.
You know what Sean athleticismon one side and the brain on the

(40:08):
right side.
That's how you protect it.
You know what Sean?
Those two guys together?
I mean, that's a recipe fordisaster.
But they played well together.
Do you think so?
Then why would they split up?
I don't know.
I'm telling you, I don't know.
I don't know, because they were4- 15 when they played together

(40:29):
.
Was it during that stretch thatthey played together?
I don't remember exactly.
How good could they have beenif they were four and 15?
I mean, I don't know how manygoals.
I don't know any type ofnumbers.
You're preaching to the choir.
I would love to be able to moveon from them.
I just don't know what's goingto happen and you should be
bringing this one right into theequation.

(40:50):
This is where you should becampaigning.
Brett, fucking Howden.
I mean, you know what's goingto happen.
You know what's going to happen.
You know it's going to fuckinghappen that when him or
Lafreniere get traded, one ofthem, this whole fan base is
soured on all of these youngguys.
It's going to happen.
It is going to happen that oneof these guys is going to

(41:14):
fucking explode and I'm notsaying brett howden is conor
mcdavid.
But 20 goals this year, 20 plusgoals this year, after scoring
one in an empty net, all of asudden you know he's scoring
overtime winners, he's doingthis, he's doing that.
I'm like, what do we?

(41:37):
And then, not only did Iretweeted I don't know if you
saw, I retweeted.
A guy on Twitter posted everyone of Drury's trades and moves.
A guy on Twitter posted everyone of Drury's trades and moves.
They traded a third-round pickfor Ryan Reeves, they traded a
third-rounder and they got afourth-rounder from Vegas for

(42:00):
Brett Howden.
That is who is leading us.
That is the general managerthat is leading us into battle
for possibly the next five years.
He's now gone through.
This is going to be his thirdcoach.
He's traded away second pickslike they're going out of style
Third round picks for thirdpairing defensemen Trading two

(42:20):
second round picks so someonecan take off Patrick, joe Namath
off their fucking hands.
I mean, this is the guy that'sleading us.
Do you have any confidence?
I'm scared.
I said this on the show twoweeks ago when we talked about
this.
I'm thrilled that hopefullySullivan will bring some kind of
stability.

(42:40):
Vegas just eliminated the WildPerfect.
Hopefully Brett Howden isscoring the game winner again.
He's got three goals in theseries coming into tonight.
But, to be fair, he had fivegoals in the cup run two years
ago.
And again, what is it about thisteam that they cannot draft,
they cannot develop players?

(43:01):
It's not that they developedBrett Howden, they didn't have
the patience.
They didn't have the patienceto let him grow.
He scored one goal.
He was 24 years old, I said atthe time.
I said no, he wasn't.
He was 22 when we let go of him.
Was he that young?
Yes, he seemed older than that.
I feel like he was here forfive years.
I said at the time, when thiskid is 25, you can't Listen.

(43:23):
Not everybody comes into theleague and is Matt Rempe or is
Brady Kachuk, just where they'rephysically able to dominate at
a very young age.
So you're asking Brett Howardto play in the bottom six role,
which is the proper role for him.
He's not a top six talent, butat a 22-year-old you can't
manhandle people at 22.
Did he play in Hartford at all?

(43:44):
Again, this is another problem.
He probably never played a gamein Hartford at all.
Again, this is another problem.
He probably never played a gamein Hartford, or maybe he played
partly.
I thought he played a seasondown there actually.
Maybe he did, maybe I'm wrong.
Did he play for Hartford HockeyDB?
He might have played for theTampa Bay.
No, it's for the Tampa Bay.

(44:05):
He played in the no, no, henever did.
He played five games for theSyracuse Crunch.
That was it.
See, that could be part of theproblem too.
They rush these guys.
Well, that's what they do.
They do one of two things.
Either guys just waste awaydown there.
He wasn't rushed, he was 20.
He was 20.

(44:29):
How old is Othman now?
How old is Berard now?
Are they 20?
Othman's 21.
Perot's 19.
What's his name?
The other guy was a fifth yearin college type of guy, if I
remember correctly.
The only way to justify he was20 years old, but he wasn't able
to physically dominate at 20.
But he wasn't able tophysically dominate at 12.

(44:49):
He wasn't able to physicallydominate at that age.
I don't know.
It's really that.
I'm just.
It really just comes down tothat.
And I'm just curious do youhave Howden's numbers up?
I know he put up 20 goals thisseason, but before that, how
many goals?
What was his most goals he hadin the season?

(45:10):
I thought maybe you had it infront of you.
I was just curious.
It's not important, I don't know, sean, I just get so worried
with this general manager thathe doesn't know what he's doing.
I just don't think he knowswhat he's doing.
We got to move past basebecause it's here.
Well, I know, I'm just, I'mworried, I'm not gonna be, why I
could be worried about it andthen not and accept it.

(45:31):
Yeah, and to the rest of ourfan base, who I love and respect
enough with jack eichel, enoughwith complaining about jack.
I mean, I was still doing thatall.
Vince mccogliano, on hisTwitter feed, was still fielding
complaints about Jack Eichel.
I don't remember why.

(45:52):
Why, I forgot.
I think he listed, I think hehad an article about Drury's
trades and the Bucinevis tradeobviously came up again.
You know, I can't believe hemade this trade and just kind of
fueled a whole new angeramongst everybody.

(46:13):
Again, you can blame jury for alot of things.
You can't, and you know what,and and and again I I got into a
debate with brian attard on hison his on his show and I think
I told you about this.
Brian attard said and I respectBrian and he's a wonderful, his
show's wonderful Blue Truthfollow him.
They should have giveneverything they could to get him

(46:34):
.
They did.
Well, here's my feeling on that.
What is everything?
So you wanted them to trade.
Now it's hindsight, it's 2020,now, right, right, right.
So now you want to trade?
I would have traded.
I would have traded everyone.
I would have traded Hedl, kako,lafreniere, miller.
I would have traded all fiveguys.
Honestly, I would have.
Now, no one would I know.
Now You're not telling me.
I'm sorry.

(46:54):
Yeah, you cannot tell me howmany years ago it's now Four
years ago that you were tradingLafreniere and you know six
first-round picks, right?
I mean, you can't tell me youwould have done that, especially
when it only took Peyton.
Was it Peyton Krebs?
Peyton Krebs and Alex Tuck, andAlex Tuck and a first-rounder

(47:14):
and a first-rounder, that was it.
And Alex Tuck's a nice player.
I would take Alex Tuck on myteam any day of the week.
But I mean, come on, Iguarantee you the package we
offered was more 100%.
Pagoula was not trading himwithin the state, that's it.
And if everyone wants to blameanybody, blame the billboard
assholes, because that'sprobably the reason why he

(47:37):
didn't come here Between theirchurch.
Yeah, they got their church,they got their billboards.
They're partly the reason why,if not the sole reason why.
So you want to blame anybodyand throw any venom on them?
You throw it their way, forgot.
He even owned the Sabres untilthat billboard went up there,
especially after he gaveChristian Aroff an eight year

(48:00):
contract until he let you know.
Oh, my god, I still.
I will never forget that trade,that free agency day when they
were giving away money.
The only reason I remember thattoo Is because that's the year
they got Brad Richards and theywere wondering if Richards With
Pagula was going to really gonuts Getting him.
But I don't think Richards wasthrowing a buffalo.

(48:22):
But anyway, yeah, I don't know,man, it's going to be
interesting to see what they do.
But the whole reason we'retalking about Howden is do you
give up on Miller?
Well, that's the thing.
Do you keep letting him developand hope that patience proves

(48:43):
its worth?
Yeah, I don't know.
We're also trying to win.
So I think he's available ifthe right.
I don't see them trading KeonjiMiller for draft picks.
No, don't see it happening.
No, troy's going to have tosack up and make a fucking
hockey trade.
I mean that's the only way tochange the team.
That's it.
I mean that's the only way,unless there are three-way

(49:05):
trades that he's morecomfortable making, where he's
trading Miller for a draft pickand then flipping the draft pick
for a player.
Yeah, kind of what what's itcalled?
Kind of what Vancouver did withMarcus Pedersen.
Exactly Stupid trade, stupidtrade.
Patrick LB should be fired atthe Marcus Pedersen, and then
you give him $6 million a year.
Yeah, I mean that's what KeanuBillings is going to get for it.

(49:28):
I think Pedersen had a betteryear point-wise.
But the ignorance of thesegeneral managers, I mean, just
to save their ass, yeah, and youknow, the thing that makes me
laugh about Drury is he knowshe's not going anywhere.
No, so I mean this ownerdoesn't fire GMs, except for
Jeff Gordon.
We couldn't stand.
Jeff Gordon went public andsaid I disagree with my owner.

(49:49):
Was that Gordon, though, or wasthat Davidson?
Oh, it was Gordon.
He had Davidson.
He went to Davidson and saidyou had to fire Gordon, and he
refused to fire him, so heresigned because he agreed with
Gordon.
He had enough, enough class towell, speaking of class, let's,
let's.
Let's jump over to this.

(50:11):
Yes, on this show, I have killedjoel micheletti as long as you
guys have all known me as wellas rock.
When, joel micheletti, whenjohn davidson took the st louis
job uh, presidency job and Ifound out joel mich Micheletti
was going to be the guy, Ithought it was temporary.
I said he already works for MSG.

(50:32):
If I remember correctly,davidson took the job like late
in the summer, so it was kind oftough to to just hire someone
at that point.
Micheletti already worked forMSG, so it was a seamless
transition.
He was doing the Islander games,right?
Yeah, was he doing the doublegames?
That was islanders.
Islanders, that's what heyworked with.
Howie rose, that's right.
So it was all right.
He's already here, he's in themarket, he already.

(50:53):
He's already employee.
There's no onboarding process.
No, you don't.
Don't have to change the uh,the payroll, it's just flip them
over to the other team, right?
I thought it'd be maybe a yearand then they'd find somebody.
They'd find another next, anextra ranger, 19 years later,
incredible.
But for all that, I've killedthem and I I didn't mind them so
much this year because he gotcritical of the team.

(51:15):
And why did he get critical ofthe team Because he knew he was
retiring this whole time andthere was nothing that MSG or
Dolan could do about it.
So he had no reason not to becritical and do his job the
right way, right, um, but kudosto him for not stealing stam's
spotlight at all this entireseason.

(51:35):
Not not one hint was ever laidabout him retiring and he let
sam get all the bouquets and allthe celebration and he
respectfully bowed out a weekafter you, out two weeks after
the season here.
Right and honestly, it's a veryclassy move and from all

(51:56):
accounts he's a wonderful person.
Great.
He seems like according to DonMcGrecker, he has a sneaky sense
of humor, just an all-aroundgood guy.
I'm going to tell you mypersonal feeling, and I said
this, and I've said this amillion times this has nothing
to do with Joe Micheletti, theperson he is to me as an

(52:19):
original six franchise or afranchise that's been around 100
years.
You should not have a guy thatnever played for the franchise
as your color commentary.
That's it, plain and simple.
Brock, the problem is theDevils have Janico, the
Islanders have Butch Goring.
Why do we have a St Louis Blueas our color?
Does it make any sense to me.
I thought it was temporarybecause it never made any sense.

(52:43):
Yeah, guys, I know that there'smaybe not listening this show,
so much Cause I think we havemore of the.
You know the uh, gen, gen X,and you know older millennial uh
listenership here.
Maybe boomers out there, whoknows?
Um, you don't know what goodcolor guy sounds like as a
Ranger, you know.
If you didn't really experienceI'm not saying you were seven

(53:05):
years old when JD was the colorguy here, rock, and I grew up
with JD you knew you could closeyour eyes and not actually see
the game and God damn it.
You knew if something wasn'tgoing right Because you felt it
from JD.
There's heart there.

(53:26):
That guy bled for this team.
If you listen to the radio andyou can't see anything, I have
such a much better feeling onwhat the Rangers are doing
because of Dave Maloney, becauseyou can hear it in his voice
the disdain for how they'replaying, at certain times Right

(53:50):
and the opposite.
When they score an overtimegoal, some people like to make
fun of the fact he jumps out ofhis chair.
Joe Micheletti could never jumpout of his chair for the
Rangers.
He never played here.
No, and he's not like with theKnicks.
He's not Wally Zerbiak, wherehe grew up here and is part of
the city.
He's from Minnesota.
He played in St Louis.
He has zero affiliation withthe Rangers, yeah, other than he

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was the color guy here for 19years, but never did you ever
feel an ounce of oomph and holyshit, to where you had to hold
back emotion.
Every Ranger game felt like anational broadcast.
Yes, and that's the part thatdrove me crazy.
Right, where you know, everyonegot treated to it.

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I don't know if everyonewatched this game.
I watched it solely because Samand JB were about to get on the
game against the Flyers.
It was appointment TV to me.
It was like stepping into atime machine.
Right, it was appointment TV.
For me, it was like steppinginto a time machine.
Right, it was wonderful.
And I don't know if you and Italked about it a lot.
We might have done a show aboutit.
I don't really remember 100%,but when I hear JD talk, he told

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you stories.
He talked about his playing daywith the Rangers.
He talked to you aboutPanarin's family life.
He talked to you about this.
He explained to you stories.
He talked about his playing daywith the Rangers.
He talked to you aboutPanarin's family life.
He talked to you about this.
He explained to you things, joe, I never.
And again, this is nothing.
Again, I don't want to kick Joewhen he's walking out the door.
I want to thank him for walkingout the door.
I never learned anything in 19years from Joe Micheletti.

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No, did he ever tell anystories that you could remember,
anything even about his ownplaying career?
Do you remember ever himtelling you anything about his
own playing career?
No, a couple of times, guys.
He played against and that wasit.
And why do you think he nevertalked about it?
Because no one wants to hearabout anything that, as a Ranger
fan, why did you really give ashit about hearing about St

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Louis Blues, korea?
I'll put it to you this wayChris Katsopoulos could have
been the color guy for the last19 years.
It's like 17 games for theRangers, right, but he played
here.
But he played here, right, andthe guy still.
I mean, how many times I've haddrinks with the guy, fucking

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blardy rock, before games are atthe game?
You know he still bleeds forthe rangers, even though he
played.
He played for otherorganizations.
He was here for a fucking cupof coffee.
Essentially, still, he stillfeels it for this organization
and that could only be someonewho played here that can do that
or someone who grew up here,right?
No, that's a point.

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Joey Mullen never played forthe Rangers.
No, joey Mullen could cover theRangers.
He grew up, he grew up 10blocks away from Madison square
garden, right, and grew up aRanger and grew up a Ranger fan,
right, right, yeah, it's, it'snot a sad day.
I mean, when Sam walked out thedoor it was a sad day and, to
be fair with Sam, I mean it wastime, but we have 94.

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You know, we had the years withJD.
We had a lot of great memories,a lot of fun.
It's a shame in some ways that,you know, maybe sam maybe hung
on a little too long, certainthings.
I don't think he was asegregious as you know some, some
other people might have felt hewas.
Yeah, I also feel.

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I also feel that I think joebrought him down a little bit.
I did, I did, I did.
I think you know, jd, I don't,sean, I sorry, sam did not make
one mistake, not one mistakethat Sam make, not one, not.
It's it hit the crossbar andthe puck, you know, went off the

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guy's glove, nothing.
Or hit the post and he's sayingsave None of that.
And that floor, I was watching,looking for it.
Trust me, I was.
I got to see if he makes amistake tonight.
He was on point.
Maybe it's just one game, yeah,I don't know.
Listen, I saw Joe Biden give agood speech there once.

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I guess he bumped up with awhole bunch of shit, that's true
, but I don't know.
I think this is a good turningpoint and you know what this
team, this franchise, needs toget the stench off of this
season.
I mean, think about it.
There is a lot of rancid sewagecoming out of this franchise

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right now.
They need to turn the corner,they need to move on and they
need a fresh start in everyfacet, in every way possible.
I'm very curious to see whothey replace Joe with.
I mean, you know who I'mthrowing my hat in the ring for,
and it's Dave Maloney.
I would love it if it's CaptainDave.
I wonder, if they go, somebodyyounger, I think they will.
Someone to relate to, I thinkthey will, and maybe Dave Dave's

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in his 70s?
No, he is.
Maybe he doesn't want to dotravel?
Oh, he definitely still doesall the travel.
He travels for all the roadgames.
Does he travel for all the roadgames?
Yeah, he's a full-time colorguy for radio.
He wants it.
I hope he gets it too.
You heard Callahan's namementioned.
I don't know.
I think Callahan's done adecent job doing the national
broadcasting.
There's not a lot there, he'snot good, but it would be

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interesting.
And I don't know if Brian Boyleeven wants that job.
He's a young family, yeah, he'sgot kids and everything.
I don't know if you'd want thatBoyle's probably more studio.
And same with Valaket.
I don't think Valaket wouldwant the job either.
What about Rupp?
No, wouldn't want the jobeither.
What about Rupp?
What about Mike Rupp?
I'd like him.
What about Eddie Olchek?
Can you get him from Seattle?
I don't know.

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Oh, does he have the Seattlejob?
Oh, yeah, yeah, he took theSeattle job.
I thought he was still doingthe nationally broadcast games.
He said he did a lot ofnational broadcast games
together.
Yeah, x-ranger Cup winner.
That would be fantastic.
Storyteller, does anyone tellthe story?
Like Eddie Olcher, no one tells.
I tell the Ally Afraidy story.
So funny with Brophy.

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Could we steal Kiprios out ofToronto?
No, I don't think that'llhappen.
Is Kiprios even a colorcommentary guy, though I know
he's on TV?
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think he's more of an analyst.
Just give me somebody who worethis jersey.
Exactly, that's who.
I feel it could be JeffIsbister.
Just give me somebody who worethis jersey, it could be Mike

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Peluso, and they traded him forthe preseason.
Ryan Malone oh my god.
Yeah, well, at least heactually played a regular season
game for them.
Oh god, honestly, any guy thatactually guy.
Yeah, well, at least heactually played a regular season
game for them.
Oh god, anybody, honestly, any,any guy that actually played
for this team is I'd be finewith at this point.
He, I wonder, I wonder how toput a lobby let ranger career

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and been the, been the?
Uh well, let me, let me ask youthis is it well?
I guess I guess that wouldn't.
I guess they wouldn't announceit because they didn't announce
kenny albert right away.
They didn't announce kenbecause they didn't announce
Kenny Albert right away.
They didn't announce KennyAlbert right away.
I wondered if they would haveannounced Joe's replacement
right away if they knew who itwas.
No, they would give him.

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They're going to give him theday.
There's no reason to announcethat they didn't.
I mean, we knew Sam wasretiring for a year, so there
wasn't really a.
I was just curious.
I was just thinking maybe no,they wouldn't say it today.
Yeah, they had to have known.
I don't think this was asurprise and I know you said it
and I'll tell you.
I don't know who said it first.
It was you or Jim Schmiederbergfrom BSU.

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I know he said it on his showmultiple times and I even talked
to him about it.
I remember him saying he said Ithink Micheletti's gone too.
I think Micheletti is way toocritical of the team.
I know he said it too.
I wasn't sure who said it first.
I don't want to get into it.
It was definitely Jim.
I said I hoped.
Jim said I texted him today.

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I texted him today.
I texted him today with thearticle I go wow, you called it.
And he said to it every show hetalked about it, every show he
talked about it, he goes.
Micheletti's definitely goingout with Sam.
He goes.
He's being way too critical ofthis team.
There is no way he's comingback.

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And he was spot on Now, whetherhe was joking or not.
He was spot on Now.
Whether he was joking or not,he wasn't dead this year.
But he wasn't.
Michel Levy this year wasn'tdead, he killed him.
I wonder if they will make Davekind of reel it in a little bit,
and maybe that's why he won't,maybe that's why he, maybe they

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won't even bring it up.
But, sean, you want your guysto be homers much.
Gory's a homer, no one caresabout that, right?
Danico's a homer, nobody caresabout that.
Why?
Because they won cups.
Well, dave went to the finals.
Does that count?
Can we give you half a homer?
He's a captain, he's a rangercaptain.
I know kelly kissio, thatshould be the next color guy.

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I was like Molly Walker in thepoop.
Oh jeez, that would be.
Thanks, mike.
You want to hear her laugh inthe whole game.
Thanks, mike.
Listen, molly does.
She gets a bad rap.
I mean, she's a20-something-year-old girl, she
likes the game, she's passionateabout it.
I mean, not everybody isserious about everything, but

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she seems to do a good job.
I'll tell you, though, vince wasthe one that broke the Sullivan
moves today.
He was Because it was funny,because that came out, that came
out.
And then I want to say I don'tknow about it.
Emily Patlick was after EmilyCapulet, she was after him.
But then an hour later theMicheletti news came out.

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So I said, oh man, maybe VinceMisheard something and he Got
the news kind of Mixed up,ordered off the wrong menu, and
then the whole thing with shebroke it and the whole
Tortorella thing.
I can lie to you, I got giddy.

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I love Tortorella.
No disrespect to Jeff.
I respect Jeff just as much asyou do, his opinion, his
knowledge, everything.
But he is a quote machine andI'm sorry this team got too
vanilla over the last five years, even with Vigneault.
I want some guy with some paper, I do.
I want some guy with some venomand I honestly I'm disappointed

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and again, I'm not going tokick laviolette while he was
down I I I think it's disgustingwhat this team did to him this
season.
They should be absolutelyashamed of themselves that they
probably, they probably have nowtaken out a second coach that
may never get another coachingjob.

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How in God's name could Vlavialet ever come back from this?
I don't think he will.
I don't think.
I think Gallant and him willnever Gallant's going to get
another job.
He will.
I don't know, sean.
I think he will.
It's been what?
Well, it's only been two years,but it's been two.
He hasn't even been spokenabout a job.
I've spoken about a little bitabout the columbus job before.

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Um, yeah, who got hired there?
I forgot the coach's name, Iknow.
I mean, you know what I'mtalking about.
Reared it, not rearing um,whatever, you know I know what
you're talking about.
But, uh, you know, um, I lostmy train of thought.
Uh, he might have, he may haveput two coach, he might have put
in the last two coaches and whoknows, if my career is not

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buddies with quinn, who knows ifhe'd ever get another head
coaching job.
I mean, it goes to show you thisthis core has.
I've been coach killers.
I completely crippling, cuttingthe knees out of these guys and
it's sad, I feel bad for them.
They've also gone to twoEastern Conference finals and
then the next year they freaking, fall on their face.

(01:05:49):
So tell me the problem Again.
I'm asking you this question nowfor a third time Coach problem,
core problem.
Which is the problem?
Both, there's been noleadership, it's leadership has
been a problem.
How do you say it's both whenyou just said that the coach,
their first season, took them toan eastern conference final.

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So how?
How come it wasn't the coachthe first year?
The message, that message wearsthin when there's no leadership
in the room one year.
If there's no leadership in theroom to to steer the ship, our
trooper was the captain thesecond year.
So what happened?
He wasn't the captain this year.
On the glen he was I'm talkingabout, though.

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Okay, and they're up to nothingagainst the devils in the first
.
And what did I say about thatwhole thing though?
I bring Brady and Patrick Kanescrewed this entire team up that
year.
I hold that move.
I don't disagree with you.
The entire dynamic of that team, nobody knew their roles
anymore.
It was that move killed thatseason.

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That's the only passquote-unquote that I'm getting.
Don't tell that to our friendSean, though.
No, we know that.
He still sleeps in his PatrickKane underwear.
We get it.
He's going to go back and watchthis and be mad at you.
You won't watch it, he won't bemad at you.
I just hope that he doesn'tpost a picture of it on Twitter

(01:07:16):
later on tonight.
He might.
It'll be in his blog, though.
You can tell that for sure.
Listen.
So that's what I give to thatone.
And then, obviously, gallant andDrury got into their argument
during that series and that'swhy Gallant was fired.
I don't think Gallant lost theteam and was fired.
I think his argument with Drurybecause Gallant probably said I
guarantee you, you know how wehear all the stories about Neil

(01:07:38):
Smith and Keenan and how theywere at each other's necks and
Neil Smith begging Keenan justtell me what you need and I'll
get it for you.
Like, let's sit down and talkabout it and we'll get it.
That conversation clearly nevertook place between Gallant and
Drury.
If he added Kane when Gallantneeded more sandpaper on the
team, and that's why Gallantthrew Drury under the bus in one

(01:07:59):
of the interviews.
I did my job, yeah, and Drury.
He was referring to Drury, hewas not referring to the team.
No, I know you can't ask a guythat's a best player to play
differently.
No, I know, I said it.
I said it was overkill and youand I talked about it on the
show.
I said it.
I said it was overkill and youand I talked about it on the
show.

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I said Sean, it's nice, I thinkthey're going too far though,
and I said it to you.
I said I think there's too manycooks in the kitchen.
You did.
No, you did say that and I saidthey brought in Teresanko, they
brought in Mikula, they broughtin Tyler Mott.
That should have been the endof it.
If you wanted to bring inanother depth guy or you know a

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guy that plays in your bottomsix, fine, but you can't bring
in a guy like that.
Neil Smith said it the best howoften, how often do you bring
in a superstar at the tradedeadline and it turns out that
that's the missing piece to youwinning a championship?
It doesn't happen.
It's very few and far between.

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It also just wasn't a fit.
You had to change If you'regoing to make a deadline
acquisition.
Teresanko was perfect.
Teresanko came in.
Frank Vetrano came in.
They plugged a hole in the boat.
They didn't all of a sudden tryto become the captain of the
boat, they just plugged the holeso that the boat could keep
going.
They didn't have to be on thefirst power play, they just came

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in and played.
They changed the entire teamfor Patrick Kane and it didn't
work.
They changed it Right.
A power play that was a 30%power play.
Let's change it because ofPatrick Kane Stupid, stupid,
dumb.
So anyway, that's two years ago, but that's not, that's another
.
That is not another egg onjury's face.

(01:09:43):
It is, and hopefully short it's.
It's really starting to compilehere, continues to learn, but
this is why I always say so whatdid he learn?
When we're talking aboutcoaches, when we're talking
about coaches and I guess youcontinually hear me say this
this is not a town that youlearn on the job.
Right, you should never behiring someone first time.
Jury's never been a gm in thenhl before.

(01:10:03):
This is why you hire glenn, saythere, to be your gm.
This is why you hire retreads,whatever.
This is why you hire someonewho's done this before.
Right, I agree.
Or, if you're going to bring ina jury, then you make sure that
his assistant has done thisbefore.
There needs to be leadershipthere.
So he's learning on the job.
He's making mistakes andhopefully learning from them.

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That's all we can hope.
Well, drury was an assistantgeneral manager.
He did not learn anything.
Gordon did not.
I mean, take the McDonoughtrade out of it, but Gordon did
not make a lot of good moves tothis team.
Trade out of it, but Gordon didnot made a lot of good moves to
this team.
I thought he was a solidgeneral manager for what he was
handed.
Jeff Gordon was handed asteering wheel and a chassis.

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They had to strip this team ofeverything Draft picks, young
players, the works he hadnothing to work with, drury had
everything to work with and howhe slowly stripped down
everything that Gordon done andhas gotten nothing for it.
Nothing.
Wasted asset in Copco.
Wasted asset in you know?
I guess he wanted to get Miller, so you can't be offended about

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that.
That's not a wasted asset, butI mean just wasted asset.
If the wasted asset, if thewasted asset, I mean it's just
wasted asset, if the wastedasset, if the wasted asset, I
mean it's nothing for Kratsov.
It just goes on and on and onand she's like make a fucking
hockey trade, make a youngplayer for a young player, do
something that isn't draft pickrelated.

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I agree, jimmy.
Yeah, vetrano was the guy thejury never should have let walk.
That guy.
He fit like a glove, to be fair.
Agreed, he got a ton ofmillions.
He got a lot of money at thetime where they didn't have cap
space.
So you would have to go back tosee who they brought in that
offseason.
I don't think they signedanybody.
Was that the Blake Wheeleroffseason?
No, that was the George Jacobs.

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That was the only win theybrought in, that was the.
That was the only.
So who they brought in?
So I can tell you who theybrought in that offseason Louis
Domingue and Trocek the factthat I don't remember them.
Oh, and Ryan Carpenter, thatwas their offseason.
Where are you getting 3 million?
And they had to get rid ofPatrick Nemeth.

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And, oh, that was theLafreniere and Keandre Miller
contract extensions.
So who are you trading?
Now that we know things?
You trade Kaka.
Maybe you trade Kaka for afirst-round pick, hindsight
being 20-20.
But again, how are you bringingup over $4 million?

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It's up to the GM to see thisshit.
Domingue's going to play overin the KHL or Switzerland or
somewhere.
I think he's going to the KHL,but he wasn't Hartford last year
.
He wasn't Hartford last year.
I agree with you, sean.
I agree with you.
But again, so did this team killGallant or did Gallant and
Drury's relationship killGallant?

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I think this team killedGallant.
Or did Gallant and jury'srelationship kill Gallant?
I think this team killedGallant.
But they had a great regularseason.
They had a better regular.
They had a better regularseason than lobby let's second
year.
That's what Dan Shaw, right?
I mean, let's be fair,president, take president trophy
aside.
The two years Gallant had, andif you put their records

(01:13:19):
together, I believe are betterthan LaViolette's, oh yeah, I
mean, I mean, gallant had 200points.
We're going to get a losingrecord this year.
We didn't have a losing record,well, gallant had 200 point
seasons, right?
I mean, what was the last coachthat got fired after 200 point
seasons?
That's what I'm saying.
I don't think the team killedhim.
I think Drury.
I think his relationship withDrury is why he's no longer at a

(01:13:40):
job.
If Patrick Kane is never broughthere.
They beat the Devils.
I strongly believe that thatteam would have stayed together.
They were struggling, I mean,down the stretch, they were
having yeah, down the stretch,because they were trying to
adjust to a new outfit that justwalked in the door.
Remember, they lost to Columbusbefore Kane got here.
I don't care about one gamehere or there, but I'm just

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remembering games in my mindthat I remember.
Down the stretch, they alwayslose to Columbus.
So what does that matter?
Well, that's true too, talkingabout teams that own us, the
whole dynamic changed, but thisyear they quit.
That's the part that pisses meoff the most.

(01:14:22):
They said after tommy gotwhacked and there was nothing we
could do about it.
It's, that's, that's what itwas.
It again.
So drury and his relationshiprelationship with, with galant
gets galant can drury and hisrelationship with players and
the season this season.
So how much of this is on druryand how much of this is on the

(01:14:44):
coaches and how much of this ison the teams?
I think I don't blameeveryone's a little culpable.
I know lobby.
I know lobby, let's take in thefall for this season.
I don't think it's on him.
I don't.
There's got to be something tobe said for not galvanizing a
team.
But they quit.
They quit because they quit onthe general manager.
They're going to tell yousomething else, sean, I know,

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but like I said, 4-15, well, youcan't even get a game to
overtime.
You couldn't get.
Like I said, if they would havegotten to overtime four times,
they would have made theplayoffs.
You're not wrong, 're not wrong.
You can't, you couldn't get toovertime four times.
They quit, they gave up, theydid.
And not only that, but whenthey woke back up again, they

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weren't out of it, because theywoke back up again in january.
Okay, they went on the run,they played good hockey.
Then they get jt mill Miller.
For whatever reason, this coachstill couldn't get this team,
or, like I said they would, theyplayed disjointed hockey from
from January 1st on.
After they got, after theylicked their wounds with Truba

(01:15:50):
and Goudreau and all thenonsense, they came back January
1st and started playing muchbetter, but it it was disjointed
.
A better coach, or a coach whowould have done a better job,
could have still gotten more outof this team, could have gotten
them to play together.
He didn't.
He wasn't.
He failed at doing that.
That's his job.

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In essence, that is his job.
Is it his job that that seemedto come out against Pittsburgh?
If you have a sales staff, it'shis job that that seemed to
come out against Pittsburgh.
If you have a sales staff,whatever it is, it's his job.
For what, though, I mean?
The only the only thing I willsay is I don't.
I didn't like a lot of thetimes where he what was the word

(01:16:34):
I had?
I had a point about the wayhe's the way he handled the
lines, certain, certain linecombinations, where I was like I
had a point about the way hehandled the lines, certain line
combinations, where I was like,why is he putting that guy with
this guy?
I can't think of off the top ofmy head exactly the instance
now.
It'll probably come to me aftertonight when I'm lying in bed

(01:16:54):
reminiscing about the show.
But I don't blame him for a lotof this stuff.
I'm sorry, you can't get up.
If you can't get up against, Imean they couldn't, you could,
they couldn't even get upagainst, like jonathan rick said
, chicago and buffalo nanceville.
They got shut out by calgary.
Calgary.
They couldn't beat calgary.

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But calgary's always givingthem a hard time, other than
that one game where Trouba laidout Kadri, and even that game
went to overtime.
Calgary's always given us ahard time.
Usually Markstrom's been inthat.
Now it's you know, teen Wolf,justin Wolf, justin Wolf,
whatever his name is.
That's a good one, I like thatone.

(01:17:35):
Yeah, and it did to All thesegames.
Just snow pile.
And, like I told you, I was allin.
When they got Miller I saidfuck it, let's go, let's get,
let's get in, let's get in theplayoffs, let's do our thing.
But when they came out AgainstPittsburgh Without Crosby,

(01:17:57):
without Malkin, and PittsburghWalk walked all over them.
How is that on the coach?
What is he supposed to do?
Hold players accountable?
Did he dust off his 39 jerseyand throw it on and play?
No, but he didn't hold any.
Did anyone get benched besidesKreider this year?

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I mean benched, did anyone getscratched?
Any of the core got scratched,and he left right here
definitely should have gottenscratched.
I have no idea how that guyplayed 82 games again this year
with the way he played right.
I I don't know, I don't get it.
He did low, as a bit of jazzice's ice time, sean, and he

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played better.
And he played better Evenbefore that.
Before he moved to wing, helowered his ice time.
He was playing 15 minutes anight, right, so he did hold.
And what happened?
They sulked even more.
So that's just my point.
No, he played better afterJanuary.
He benched him before that.
I'm not talking about that.

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I'm talking about to me there'stwo different seasons.
There's 2024 and there's 2025.
2024 happened once they startedplaying better in January.
I forgot about 2024.
What happened January 1st on?
To me, that's the story of theseason.
Yeah, and let's say whathappened after that.
They lost twice to buffalo, oneof them, I believe.

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They were shut out.
The other game they lost bywhat?
Eight, two when it was a twice,they got shut out.
And then the game againstpittsburgh uh, the game against
columbus, that they got theirasses handed to them.
I mean, there were how manygames where they just were
complete no-shows, completeno-shows from the minute you
walked in the door.
And again you want.

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And again I know you're goingto say, well, if Igor was better
, and blah, blah, blah.
But Igor's the least of theirproblems.
They didn't bail him out onetime this year.
One time they didn't bail theguy out.
He didn't play great but, likeyou said, this season didn't go
where it went because of Igor.
He had a core of players thatcouldn't get it together and

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they didn't have a coach thatwas a leader enough to get them
steering all in the samedirection to get them to buy in.
If a coach isn't getting a teamto buy in, whether it's the
coach's fault or not, that iswhere it lays.
The coach has to get his teamto buy in.
If a coach isn't getting a teamto buy in, whether it's the
coach's fault or not, that iswhere it lays.
The coach has to get his teamto buy in.
In my job, if sales suck, whodo you think they're going to
turn?
They've got to fire the entiresales staff.
No, you're right, they've gotto train all these people.

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You're right, you've got tofire the manager and hope that
the new manager comes in andturns it around.
I agree, jimmy.
Believe it or not, I thinkLaffey is going to score 80, 90
points.
The only way Laffey scores 80,90 points is if Panarin scores
150 next year.
No, if Lafreniere is on thefirst power play He'll never
have.
Yeah, give me 60.

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Until I am proven wrong, giveme 65 on five points.
Until I am proven wrong, I amgoing to go down with saying
Laffey and 16 are big seasonsare a product of Panarin's 120
point season.
So until they prove medifferently, because they both,
with Panarin having a down year,they both other, they both had

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down years as well.
So until they prove me wrongbecause he only got one more
year with this guy.
Because unless McDavid andEichel both resign, the Rangers
is keeping themselves flexiblefor one of those two guys.
Yes, they are.
Yes, they are.
And unless they both resign onJuly 1st this year, don't expect

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Panarin to be back after nextseason unless he takes a huge
discount, which I don't know ifhe will.
He may or may not.
As far as Jimmy Mack saying,sullivan's system will benefit
Lafreniere 5-on-5 and he startson Powerplay 1.
No, no, because if you have allfive guys on this roster next

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year from Power Play 1 for thelast five years, well, kreider
won't be on the roster probably.
I still think he will be.
How would you explain to me?
Finish your thought.
And then I want you to explainto me how Kreider's on this team
next year.
Finish your thought, though.
If you let him go, he scores 35goals somewhere else.
I agree with you.
Then you need to trade toBenajad.
There's no way.

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Hold on.
I'm going to pull up their capsituation.
It's clear that he was injured.
He had 10 goals in the first 20games of the season.
We know what he still did thelast two seasons before this.
Agreed.
He's hurt.
Okay, he played hurt this year.
Would we kill him for being outfor the year?

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No, so, because he manned up ona team of guys that didn't man
up.
He manned up and played,despite the trade rumors.
He shouldn't have played,though.
He shouldn't have played.
He hurt the team by playing,but that's not on him.
A player should never ask tosit.
That was on.

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The team should have told himto sit.
What NHL player is going to say, yeah, I'm going to sit down,
I'm hurting the team.
No NHL player, no pro athlete.
Wojtek Wolski yeah, no, youwill never see a professional
athlete.
Okay, you ready.
Yeah, you know what I'll sit.
No, you're right, I don'tdisagree with you.
I don't disagree with you withthat.

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So alright for the.
Why do they still have 24, 25still here?
Oh, on Puckpedia.
Puckpedia Drives me crazy thatthey freaking do that.
I'm sorry, finish it, I'm goingto find it.
Kubell is a free agent, by theway.
It's on here.

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Oh, I already finishedBreakdown.
Nicholas Aube yeah, they don'thave.
I hate mom.
Awful sentence.
Yeah, hey, oh, he's another one.
Yeah, that's another goodexample.
I'm just trying to find aroster breakdown.

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So what it is.
This was a sender.
I hate the fact that they don'ton Puckpedia.
Like it's so hard to navigatethrough this site.
I mean, you have, you have?
You?
Have you noticed that?
All right, so 20, this is 24.
They slept 24, 25 for theRangers.
Why would it?

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They have moved on from this bynow.
They're not in the playoffs?
Where are we?
I'm sorry, this is awful rightnow, but I want to give you this
is great radio right now.
I know this is terrible rightnow.
Forgive us for one second.
So, lafreniere for me you knowyou talk about five on five.

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Lafreniere, give me 60 pointsat five on five next year.
Okay, all right.
So here we go.
So the cap next year is 95-5.
This is going up too.
The Rangers have projected capspace 9.67 million.
Okay, they currently have 18out of 23 players signed active,

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which is good.
That's a good thing.
They have a lot of guys signed,but again, that doesn't include
Edstrom, cooley, renfee upfront.
So there's three guys, and thatdoesn't include Miller, keandre

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Miller and Calvin DeHaan no,I'm kidding and a seventh
defenseman and obviously ZachJones, which I don't expect to
be here either.
Jones will be traded.
I think Kaiser Soce will betraded.
Well, I mean, that's how youfree up $3.25 million.
But again, what are you paying,cooley?
Because I'll tell you right now, that's going to be the other

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problem.
He's going to get roughly twomillion dollars.
I don't know.
Don't be subdued.
There's no arbitration rightswhen you don't arbitration.
Let me ask you a question.
Yep.
How many times have we saidthis?
He scored 20 goals a lot for ayear, didn't even score 20 goals
and he got two point almost 2.5coming first year.
Does it matter at that point?

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It does.
Pedigree draft pedigreedefinitely gets taken into
account.
It does not matter at thatpoint.
And obviously the cap's goingup, which means the salaries are
going up.
His cap was two years ago Allright.
So let me ask you what do youthink it'll be?
He's probably going to getclose to the form at three and a
half.
You're out of your mind Twoyears Out of out of your mind
the longer he sits out.

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Now the Rangers can't doanything because if they don't,
what could happen to them iswhat could happen to St Louis or
with Edmonton, where he couldget off and sheeted.
And now you can't match him.
I thought as long as you tenderhim, he can't get off sheeted.
He has arbitration rights.
No, no, he doesn't.

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So you can't do that.
It's only with the guys thathave arbitration rights.
I'd be shocked, dude.
I would be shocked, beyondshocked.
I'm just saying this.
I'm saying 2.25.
You're saying 3.5?
I think he's going to get athree-year deal.

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I don't know if they're goingto bridge him.
I think they're going tosweeten the pot a little bit.
I think he's coming off at 20until Crider and Panarin's
contracts are off the books.
Listen, I love Chris Crider.
He's my favorite Ranger.
Jt Miller's slowly becoming myfavorite Ranger, but I just

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don't see a path.
Unless you get rid of Zibanejad, how do you get better?
Now you're praying that theseyoung players get better.
And again, how often has thatworked?
You trade Kreider.
What's your third line looklike next year?
I guess Offman's going to haveto play.

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Yeah, offman, I think, ispenned in.
I still think you need a thirdline.
I still think you need a secondline.
That's the other problem.
You still need a second linecenter.
You don't need a second line.
You still need a second linecenter.
You don't need a second linecenter.
Yes, you do.
Who's the third line center?
That line is going to be a linecenter.
Don't say Sam Carrick is athird line center.
No, no.
Don't say Johnny Brzezinski isa third line center.

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I want them to sign TrentFrederick to be the third line
center.
With what money?
He's a healthy scratch rightnow with Edmonton, it doesn't
matter.
He's going to.
He's going to.
He's probably hurt and he'sprobably not 100%.
So what with what money?
I mean, I just spelled it outfor you.
They have to sign five guyswith $9 million.

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No, well, I'm talking aboutwith Kreider gone.
Now I know you can't signFrederick with Kreider If you
had Offman and Kreider on thewings.
You still need a third.
You still need a center.
I think until the tradedeadline you can get away with
Parson or Brzezinski.
I'm curious, I am very curiousto see if Sullivan moves Mika

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back to center.
I don't think so.
I think that line looked toogood.
I think it's going to be allcontingent on what this team
does, and I don't think Itruthfully don't think they want
to break up 10, 13, 16.
I really don't.
That line was so fucking goodtwo years ago.
I mean, you have a line that'stop five in the league in

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scoring.
You have to bank on being ableto get that back.
You have to.
I wonder it's funny.
David Quinn put together Strom,panarin, fox, kreider and

(01:29:55):
Sabinejad and it stayed together.
Deangelo, first butad, and itstayed together.
Oh, the angel pretty much theangel first, but then fox, it
stayed together.
You know, took a lot to nowlobby a let for the most part.
You know, you know plant 116for another, it's a 30 power
play.
It's, it's proven.
I wonder how much I reallyquestion whether Sullivan would

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try something different to start, because you do remember they
originally put Hedl with Panarin.
Who was it, panarin and who wasthe other guy?
They took Truncheon, a line noa line Hedl played between
Panarin and who was the otherguy.
They took Trump.
Or a line no a line Hedo playedbetween Panarin and Lafreniere.
Was that how it started?

(01:30:44):
Yeah, okay, so originally itwas Hedo.
I question whether to start, ifhe would consider something
different to start and then seewhere it goes, just to not be
saying, oh well, I'm going toplay the same lineup lobby I put
out there last year that theylost.
So I don't know, I, I don'tknow it's gonna be, it's gonna

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be fascinating, it is gonna befascinating, but I, I, I think
it's this.
This offseason is going to bemore about taking what we have
and just drilling it into themto play harder, to play better
and to play as more of a team.
They need to be led and theyneed to be led by JT Miller.
That's the number one thingthey need to do is put a C on

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his chest and let this be histeam.
He gave up a lot to get him.
He's not leaving anytime soon.
He's here for five years.
That's the move.
That's the first move, jimmy.
I'm not saying Cooley wouldwant to leave, but do you wonder
if Broberg or Dylan Hollowaywanted to leave Edmonton on a

(01:31:53):
team with McDavid and Dre?
They left because of the money.
It does.
It takes the player going tosign the contract.
I know that.
But what if the range offeredin two million and and you know
a team like utah office in fiveor six or six?
I mean I don't know what thecompensation is for that, but
right, you wouldn't trade afirst round pick for cooley

(01:32:14):
right now, or even, or even youknow a first or a second.
I mean, I'm just saying that itit depends.
It depends on what the rangesare offering and what other
teams are offering, right?
So I mean that's really what itcomes down to.
I'm not saying Cooley wants toleave, but I mean you're a 22,

(01:32:34):
23 year old guy.
If someone offers you 2 million, someone opens you 6 million.
I mean, what are you going todo?
And what if your career ends ina year?
What if your good ticket's here?
I get all that.
I do get all that.
I don't know, man.
Like you said, it will befascinating to see what they do

(01:32:55):
as far as that goes, but I'mstill convinced it's going to be
a very, very familiar roster,as much as we all want.
I think they probably have nochoice.
And it's funny because I keephearing and seeing oh, it's
going to be so much fireworks,it's going to be so many
fireworks.

(01:33:15):
Oh, it's going to be sointeresting, they're going to do
this, they're going to do that.
No, it's going to be so muchfireworks, it's going to be so
many fireworks to some.
Oh, it's going to be sointeresting, they're going to do
this, they're going to be dothat.
No, you know from from not Imean from the beat, and not just
from from bloggers and frompodcasts, it's from the beat
writers seem to think that therangers are going to be very
active.
So I don't.

(01:33:40):
Unless you're moving the bignames.
How Are they trading Fox?
Are they trading Gennady?
See, that's where reality needsto step in, where I think that
these people and it's not justthe beat writers too, it's even
the national guys, sara Veli andChris Johnson.
You've got to look at the capand say, well, what can they do?

(01:34:00):
Let's be honest, sean, istrading Chris Kreider even
enough?
Is that even enough?
It's moving $6.5 million.
If you're giving Cooley $3million and giving Miller $5
million and now you'resubtracting $6.5 and putting on
$8.
You've still got to sign Rempeand Edstrom.

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I know they're not going tomake a lot of money, they're
going to make a million dollarsand they still got to find a
seventh defenseman.
I mean, is it enough to get anybetter?
Not significantly.
That's why the Carson-Susetrade made zero fucking sense.
Unless you know you can justmove him, or unless you know

(01:34:42):
you're not bringing KeiondreMiller back, you're trading him
to fill another hole and thenSuse's moving up to play in your
top four, which is a fuckingnightmare.
That's a nightmare, but itmakes zero sense.
Otherwise, $3.5 million, sixdefensemen yeah, it doesn't make

(01:35:04):
any sense.
When the trade was made andI've said this repeatedly and
for everyone that hasn't heardme say this I went like this but
you harp over the third roundpick.
I could care less about thethird round pick.
But, sean, why wouldn't youharp over the third round pick?
I could care less about thethird round pick.
And but, sean, why would Ithink that they can?
How many guys have come in thethird round that have turned out

(01:35:25):
to have great careers?
And if they trade susie for athird round pick this offseason,
then what did it matter?
They might not get a thirdround pick for him.
They will because there's ateam, that there's a team out
there who's going to still saysix, five can skate.
So then, what was the point?
Wrong situation what so then?
What was the point?
Wrong situation what was thepoint?
What was the point?
You brought in someone to takeLindgren's spot.
It was either him or DeHaan.
He's much better than DeHaan.

(01:35:47):
No, he's not.
Yeah, you say that now.
Oh, no, he's not.
He's saying that now, wait asecond.
Wait a second With Adam Fox.
He would have lost your mind.
Well, I'm not saying he's goingto play with Fox.
They could have moved someoneelse up there to play with them.
It didn't have to be DeHaan,but they didn't.
This is what they did.
Why?
But Soucy didn't even play withthem.
He didn't even play with Foxfor the first few weeks.

(01:36:08):
It was only until later on hedid.
They didn't need to waste theirtime with this guy.
It doesn't make any sense.
The trade makes zero sense.
They needed a defenseman andCalvin DeHaan was a throw-in.
Oh, so you bring in a guy.
No, no, so you're saying theyneeded a defenseman, they needed
a defenseman with term, andthat's what we kept hearing.

(01:36:30):
They're not going to sign arental, they're going to bring a
defenseman with term,defenseman with term, defenseman
with term.
Defensive with term.
Defensive with term.
Doesn't matter if he's good, hehas to have term.
Doesn't matter if he they'redoing dying to spend that third
round pick on anybody.
Bringing a guy that was alreadyscratched already in vancouver,

(01:36:50):
who was good at, good enough toplay there, and that's freaking
dumpster fire.
But now let's bring him here.
Slow, weak and so many fasts ofthe game I mean doesn't know
where his man is.
Awful.
I think JD Pusher was a betterdefense.

(01:37:12):
In fairness, he's never playedman-to-man D before.
So we were the only team in theleague playing man-to-man D
before.
So we're the only team in theleague playing man-to-man D.
It's always the fucking systemsproblem, always the systems
fault, it's never the player.
The player's never at fault.
Oh, I'm not absolving him, buthe's a third-pairing defenseman.
That's all he ever should havebeen Jimmy.
I'm telling you right now, ifKiadri Miller resigns, he's

(01:37:35):
making 3-9 right now.
I agree with you on that,because they're going to
reference the minutes andminutes are a big stat when it
comes to defensively.
They should reference theturnovers and the turnovers that
resulted in goals.
I was at what game was it?
Minnesota?
He had a goal and two assistsand he gave the puck away twice

(01:38:01):
that resulted in goals.
I was like unbelievable.
What am I watching here?
He's not getting 4.5.
If he gets 4.5, I'll be shocked.
He's getting at least $5million.
That would be a masterclass.
It would be a masterclass.
He gets 4.5.
Sean loves Brock.
I would be a master class.
It would Four and a half.
Sean loves Brock.
I'm not a Brock Besser guy.

(01:38:22):
Maybe you meant Sean, brockNelson.
He spelled Sean the way youspell him.
That's true.
I'm not a Brock Besser guy,brock, or is he talking about
Brock Nelson?
I don't want any money spent onwings.
I'm sick of spending money onwings.
I I'm sick of spending money onwings.
I want money spent on centersand top four D.
They need a top four defenseman.
I want Prokhorov.
I mean, I want the Prokhorov.

(01:38:42):
Where are they getting adefenseman that's going to be
able to play with Fox Prokhorov?
All right, I know.
All right, let's just play thisway.
If they move Miller up to play,who is the second pairing now
Tell me Seuss is going to thesecond pair.

(01:39:05):
You could do Schneider andBorgen, the two righties.
Yeah, schneider played fine onthe left side so I got no
problem.
I know you have no problem withit.
They do not like playing guyson their offside.
You don't know what Sullivanlikes.
The Rangers don't like it as awhole.
Did righties play on're offside?
You don't know what Sullivanlikes.
The Rangers don't like it as awhole.
Galant didn't like it.
Did righties play on theoffside to get with the lefties
playing the offside on the torts?
Oh God, did we ever have that?

(01:39:27):
I don't ever remember themtalking about that, but I know
they did not play it on theGalant and they did not play on
the Quinn.
Those guys aren't here.
We'll see.
I agree with what you're saying.
I'm just saying we don't knowwhat Sullivan thinks of this.
I guess we'll cross that bridgewhen we get to that.
I'm wondering when they willannounce this.
I think they'll be here.

(01:39:48):
I'm going to tell you, you knowwhen they're going to announce
this, when tomorrow night orSaturday, what?
The Rangers only announcethings on the weekends.
What are you referring to,sullivan's?
Oh yeah, they'll only announce.
They only announce things onthe weekends.
That's what they do.
The press.
This way, they could have thepress conference on tuesday.

(01:40:09):
Oh yeah, they might.
Oh for god, they might actuallyhave to do a press conference.
They might actually have to.
They might actually jury mightactually have to speak to the
media in person.
You never know.
You never know.
Maybe Sullivan will be there ona monitor somewhere.
Pay no attention to that manbehind the curtain.

(01:40:32):
Jury on his laptop.
What a joke.
The only executive in Americawho was happy about COVID.
Everything got to be Zoom, zoomafter that.
Sean was right, chris, zoom,zoom, drury, I mean he did.
I mean, how do you not?
I mean you don't owe it to yourfan base.

(01:40:53):
What if this is a garden thing?
I don't think the Knicks holdpress conferences either, do
they?
No, leon Rose never speaks,ever, ever.
Wow, the coach is thefigurehead for the team.
What a joke.
What a joke.
It's the way the organizationruns, the organization meaning

(01:41:15):
MSG.
So what do we got coming up?
What do we got coming up?
So we got the draft lottery,which is very exciting.
I think they'll go three andone in the next week.
Yeah, we got the draft lotterycoming up and after that, after
they finally announced thiswhole coach thing probably going
to have a nice little breakhere for a couple months yeah,
I'll tell you, this coach thingis a far cry from last time,

(01:41:36):
right, I mean man, did he notwant to hire LaViolette?
Is it me or did he not want tohire him?
Maybe he didn't.
I mean, he waited forever tohire him.
I mean, the only two peoplethat he interviewed were… John
Hines, with Hines and someoneelse.
Right, it was only three guys.

(01:41:57):
Who was the third guy?
I can't remember who it was.
I can't think of who it waseither.
It'll come to me.
So we have a 3% chance ofwinning a lottery.
Doesn't matter, they'll ruinwhoever it is anyway.
As long as the Islanders don'tget it, I'm okay with whoever

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gets it.
They have a 3.5% chance.
The Isles, we'll be happy.
Wouldn't it be so funny thatthe last two fucking games they
decided to go out and win, thatnow knocked us back.
That's going to be the teamthat wins the fucking draft
lottery.
No, last time it was theopposite.
Remember, ryan Strom scored,that's true.
We were all pissed off that heruined our draft spot.

(01:42:39):
All that did was get us to theseventh pick, which actually
wound up winning the lottery.
Was it the seventh pick or thesixth pick?
We would have had the seventh,okay, yeah, once I saw Buffalo
pop up, that's when I knew wewon the lottery.
I'll tell you that was Should Ido a spin?
Should I do a lottery spin here?

(01:43:00):
Yeah, do one, do one for fun.
Tell me San Jose is going toget the first overall pick.
Yep, san Jose, nashville andChicago switch spots.
I saw somebody said it took me41 tries, but the Rangers got
the first overall pick.
I said, oh my God.
I mean, does it really fuckingmatter?
It really doesn't matter.
I mean I'll tell you I've toldthis story a million times.

(01:43:23):
The night I was at work, thenight that the Rangers won the
draft lottery for Cocko, I wasactually coming back from a run
and I had my phone and we werecoming back and I honestly could
not eat, I could not sleep andI had my phone and we were
coming back and they had won andI honestly could not eat, I
could not sleep.
It was like I was shaking ofpure euphoria, almost like

(01:43:51):
winning a championship, almostlike the feeling you have of
winning.
And from where I was that nightto where I am sitting tonight,
I just can't believe we're back.
I just can't believe thatnothing materialized out of that
guy An absolute, completelydisgrace.
Awful, but it is what it is.

(01:44:15):
Was talking last year, wastalking three or four with
Gallant when they interviewedGallant, because you and I
talked about when theyinterviewed Gallant, it was
Gallant.
We heard a little bit ofTuckett, right, and that was it.
We heard nothing else.
That was our first year as apodcast.
I don't remember Tuckett's nameever coming up.
No, tuckett's name wasdefinitely brought up during the
whole Galant thing.

(01:44:35):
I'm almost positive.
What has he ever accomplished?
I know that's the thing he'salways mentioned, but what has
he ever actually accomplished?
Nothing.
He was kind of good withArizona.
I forgot he was the coach there.
Oh my God, I forgot about that.
I don't know Sean.

(01:45:00):
Again, paul Maurice tookCarolina to a cup final, didn't
he?
Was he the coach of Carolinawhen they went to the cup, to
the Eastern Conference Finals,eastern Conference Finals, and
that was when what's it called?
Beat them out?
Oh shit, was it the Devils?
The Devils beat them.
Right, the Devils won the Cup.

(01:45:22):
But that was against Edmonton,right?
No, anaheim, the John SebastianJaguar series, yeah, but who
did Edmonton play?
Didn't Edmonton make it to theCup Final with Pronger?
And that was against Carolina.
Oh, that was against Carolina.
That's what it was.

(01:45:43):
Edmonton made it to the cupfinals.
I knew Carolina was embedded inthere.
Yeah, I don't know.
Anyway, this was fun.
Yeah, it was a good show.
Solid one, solid effort, solideffort all around.
Why don't we tell everyone onYouTube about our Patreon group?
Should we do that now?

(01:46:04):
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My kids are going to get stupid, but my kids used to watch the

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Wiggles and used to do the thingwith this.
I'm like, oh, my God, it's sofreaking annoying.
Hit the subscribe button downbelow.
You should smash the subscribebutton.
Oh God, it's Patreon.
2g1crangers.
If you'd like to um, contribute.
Uh, make sure you just let usknow.

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I'll see it as well.
Make sure you let us know andI'll give you the invite to the
facebook group that we do, uh,some exclusive content in there.
It's a patreon supporters uhgroup.
Me and rock will jump on andjust do some impromptu.
Uh, me and Rock will jump onand just do some impromptu solo
shows.
Whenever stuff breaks or if wecan't get together to do a show,
we just jump on.

(01:47:05):
Sometimes our schedules don'talways jive.
Where we can do Every dollargoes right back into the show.
Guys, we do not do this formoney.
We both have day jobs.
All right, guys, thanks forgiving us your time.
It was had a lot of fun, a lotof good.
Good, uh, back and forthcomments on here.

(01:47:25):
I love this.
This format is so.
Yeah, yeah, this is awesome.
This is really good.
Yeah, thank you for joining us.
Yeah, this is fun.
All right, guys, we'll see you.
Um, we'll probably do.
We'll do a drift preview show.
I guess at some point We'll tryand get Steve or Russ on, or
maybe both.
Maybe we'll have a roundtablewith both of them.
Yeah, see if they're interestedin doing that.

(01:47:47):
That'd be fun.
Yeah, we have to see if we canget people to call in here on,
here now, that'd be fun.
Yeah, let's see if we canfigure that out to say, yeah,

(01:48:09):
anyway, all right, guys later.

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