Sullivan's arrival signals a fresh start, but questions remain about the Rangers' depth.

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Good evening.
Two guys, one cup Sean and Rockhere on.
What is this July 7th already?
Yep, next thing you know it'sgoing to be September and we'll
be getting ready for preseason,but, yep, we're still without a
schedule, which I'm still tryingto figure the fuck out how
that's even possible.
But yeah, july 7th, theoffseason is completely underway

(00:47):
.
The draft is over.
The free agent frenzy is over.
Some of you were able to catchour free agent frenzy show,
which we had a lot of fun with.
I hope you did as well.
And Rock, how's it going?
Bud, what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
pal, how are you?
Yeah, it's been an interestingweek, or week and a half, as you
would say.
We did our free agent show.
I think that it was fun.
I think we were both kind oflike really anxious to get on

(01:22):
and to talk about what hadhappened up to that point, to
get on and to talk about whathad happened up to that point.
And you know, I think theseason has been a success for
the most part.
Are they better?
We're going to find out.
But I was joking with somebody,or I said something on Twitter.
I was like you know, it's funnyhow the NHL offseason, the
Rangers had one of the worstoffseasons, one of the worst

(01:46):
seasons in our lifetime andprobably in the history of the
franchise, and their entireoffseason was finished and done
with in nine days 10 days Forthe most part.
It just blows my mind howquickly it's over and done with
Just done.
That's it we.
And done with just just donewith it, that's it, we're gone

(02:07):
you know, and I it's the wholeleague, though I mean there's
not much there's still teamsthat have stuff going on and
there's still things that arethings that are still brewing
out there Just not for us, right?
You know we know our salary capsituation and you know we know
where this team stands and youknow we're gonna see.
We're gonna see.
It's a, it's a lot of, there'sa lot of expectations on these

(02:29):
young players and I just hopethat so they're ready to take
that next step, because they'renothing's being blocked.
These guys have a clear path tomaking the nhl roster and if
they don't make it, they have noone to blame but themselves.
Like who?
Who are you talking about?
Well, obviously, perrault,perrault, berard Offman.

(02:53):
They all have an opportunity tomake this team.
Not all, but one of them forsure has the opportunity to make
this team Right.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Do you?
And we'll start there with.
We'll start with perot.
Do you think that he shouldstart in the nhl, or is hartford
, uh, where he should start theseason?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
well, I mean it's going to be dependent on on what
the preseason looks like.
I mean I need to see what theseguys do in in in preseason
games.
Okay, I know preseason gamesdon't always mean anything.
They don't always translateinto having a successful season,
or you know we're having a, youknow, a miserable season.
You never know.
I mean it's it goes back andforth, but I, I don't know, I

(03:36):
mean I I'm gonna, it's all gonnabe contingent on, uh, I guess,
how they play.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
But again, well, let's go off of what we saw from
the end of last season withBarrow specific.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
They all were bad.
I think Barad was the best oneof the three of them.
So I think we talked about thismultiple times.
Uh, perot, I feel gets a littlebit of benefit of the doubt.
I mean, you know, thrusted into, you know, a team.
I was a sinking ship, I guess,for lack of a better expression.
But you know just, I don't knowreally, I don't know how to he

(04:11):
didn't, he didn't really impressme.
So we'll have to see.
We'll have to see.
I don't think it's fair tojudge him on an eight game
sample size or how many games heplayed.
I thought Berard was better,the better of the three.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
You know often played .
Um, I thought barard was better.
The better of the three um youknow often is.
You know, let me give you a yesor no question on this, based
off of what you saw with barardlast year, a little bit of what
we know statistically from himwith hartford.
If barard were to get 82 gamesnext year playing on a third
line with, let's say, right nowit's, you know, parsing in and
either offman or perot, no, no,taylor radish, taylor radish.

(04:52):
Oh, thank you, thank you forcorrecting me with that.
All right, so one of these guysare going to win that job.
Radish.
On the right side yeah, willberard score 20 goals?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
no, why I just don't.
I don't think he will.
I don't know how good of adistributor Parsonen is.
Okay, I think Berard's going tobe the type of guy that's going
to need to play with a goodcenter.
That's just my opinion, justbased on what I've seen.

(05:24):
I don't know.
I mean, if you're asking me toput a gun to my head and said
you know, hypothetical gun to myhead, I would tell you no, I
don't think anyone on that thirdline is getting 20 goals.
I'll be honest, I said this.
It's off this season.
Maybe I should have kind, havearticulated what I was saying
more.
This is really on Cooley andLafreniere.

(05:46):
A large part of it is, yeah,they need to.
Essentially, I know Criot onlyhad 22 goals this year, but
let's just look at the biggerpicture.
He should have had 30.
He should have had 35 goals hadhe been healthy, had maybe
things changed.
You figure Cooley, 20 goals andyou need at least 25 out of

(06:11):
Lafreniere.
What did Lafreniere have lastyear?
17?
Did he even hit that 17.
?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
So they had 37 combined.
That number needs to be 50 thisyear combined 100%, so you need
an additional.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
what did we say?
That's not money.
13 goals If those two guyscan't get 13 more.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Think of what 13 goals would have meant to this
season.
How many games would an extragoal have gotten us into the
playoffs?

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I don't know how, about an extra goal that didn't
go in?
I mean, I don't?

Speaker 1 (06:45):
That's what Gabrikov's here for.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
And we'll get into him later.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
We're going to get into him.
We're going to get into thefree agent stuff.
We probably should have startedwith that.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
No, I like this.
I like this because the thirdline seems to be so.
The third line is a problem, inmy opinion.
So I'll start with why I wantedto start with the third line.
Our good, dear friend, johnnyLazarus, was on.
What show was he on?
He was on.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
He was on the NHL Network.
He was on NHL Radio.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
I can't remember if it was with Steve Koulias.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
I think it was.
I think it was because I waslistening to it while I was
picking the girls up from school.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, so afternoon would have been Koulias.
So he was on with Koulias andhe basically said he doesn't
think the Rangers are a playoffteam.
Because when you look at theteam last year that didn't make
it, their third line to startthe season was Kako, kouli and
Hedl and you look at their thirdline to start this season, it's

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obviously a big drop down.
How could I see this teammaking it that?
Just making that one singlecomparison okay, I I can run
with that.
I'm anticipating our top sixthis year being exponentially
better.
And it's a top six where thosetwo lines are both going to play

(08:05):
20 minutes a night.
Four of those six players inthe top six are playing over 20
minutes a night.
That's the way.
Well, I take it back.
That's how LaViolette ran theteam.
I don't know what Sullivan'sgoing to do.
I don't know his philosophy asfar as ice time and what they
give out Third lines.
Like I said, radish is someonewho's you know the guy's had a

(08:28):
20-goal season in the NHL.
So when we talk about how greatKako is, statistically for us,
he was never better than TaylorRadish you can sit there and say
you know, should have been ornumber two pick or showed
flashes.
Bottom line is in a resultsbusiness.
They're pretty much the same.
Now remains to be seen with theeye test and watching it,

(08:51):
because neither of us are, youknow, have watched taylor radish
play uh hockey night in andnight out, and so not not not
recently at least, at least whenhe played for tampa.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
We saw him a little bit more, but he's been in
chicago, he's.
He's bounced around a littlebit now.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
He's been in a couple of places A couple of places,
but a nice pickup and he's goingto.
It seems like when he gets hisfooting, Radish had 20 goals
playing with Thames and Kane.
No, they would have been gonebefore.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
They were gone.
Oh, he's laughing.
He's probably kidding, MaybeWait.
He's laughing.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
He's probably kidding , Maybe Wait how many years ago
was that?

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, yeah, because Kane's been gone for what?
Three years now?

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, his years with the Blackhawks were, so his
20-goal season with theBlackhawks was 22-23.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
That was Kane's, last .
That was Kane's.
Cain got traded to the Rangers,right, yes, and was Thames even
playing?
He might have played with thema little bit.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I'll say Thames, mostly All right.
All right, blaine, bringing itman Like it.
Nice, good job, blaine.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
All right, so I guess we just got to put Taylor.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Radish with Panarin and call it a night.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, because he only had seven goals last year.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Seven goals About 80 games, huh, but he had 20
assists career-high in assistsso it wasn't like a complete dud
of a season for him.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, I mean, he's a third-ranked guy, he's only 27.
Dud of a season for him.
He's a third-ranked guy, he'sonly 27.
I'm not going to cry over $1.5million given to Taylor Radish.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
You cry over everything, so don't even start.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I know what you're going to refer in that too,
about the agent signings.
When it comes to a million anda half dollars, I'm not crying
over that.
I will cry over giving awayassets for a defenseman who
clearly isn't good, but that'sanother story you want to?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
no, we'll address him later.
We're going to talk about thewhole defense about him I want
to keep talking about this thirdline, though yeah, I disagree
with you on berard.
I think if berard is left alonein that spot, if, if he wins
the job and he's going to getthe same, you know 50, 60 game
runway that you know ed shermwas given and ed sherm took
advantage of and I I think thathe can score 20 goals on that

(11:17):
line.
I do.
I think the way his game is.
I think I think it translateshe has, he's proven he can score
goals in the AHL.
He scored six goals in 35 gameshere with inconsistent play.
He scored how many goals?
Six.
He's got a nose for the net.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Two or one game against an awful island of teams
.
That's fine, be fair.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
That's fine.
Okay, it's against Sorokin,who's being still noted as no no
no, no, no, it was against theminor league.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
It was against some guy that they threw in there.
I forgot what the hell his namewas.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yes, JF Berube.
But it wasn't JF Berube.
Yeah, I know who you're talkingabout.
Mm-hmm, listen, guy who'swearing an NHL jersey in an NHL
game is an NHL player.
I'll always stand by thatcomment.
Okay, let me see.
So Radish played.
So he played his lowest icetime since his rookie year and

(12:14):
still had 27 points.
He had a career high in assists.
Playing only 12 minutes a night, it's not bad 59 hits.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
I like it.
I think it's sticking out ofthe box 59 hits.
I like it.
I think it's sticking out ofthe box.
I think it's a smart savvy,signing for a very low risk,
high reward.
He's not making a ton of money,he stinks.
You put him in Hartford, youbury the contract.
Sylvain, I'm not crying overhim.
He's 27 years old, so he's not35.

(12:42):
He's not 30.
He's in the prime of his careerfor the most part, and maybe
you catch lightning in a bottle.
I mean, maybe sometimes, guys,you know, take a little time to
kind of flourish a little bitand we'll see what happens with
him.
I mean, again, I'm not going tosit here and cry about it.
I mean I don't think anybodyhas, I don't think anybody's

(13:04):
overreacted to taylor radish, byany means no, he hasn't really
even been discussed by no, ithas.
No one's complained about it.
Um, there has the only chatterthat I've seen today and
obviously I don't know if youyou listen to 32 thoughts,
because it's three and a half no, I think I did not get into it
the rangers were heavily intotanner janeau apparently yes, I

(13:28):
saw that um, so the clipapparently boston had to spend
money.
I mean, that's, that's just astupid contract.
And again, I I'm fully aware ofthe cap going up, I'm fully
aware of tanking and or, or youknow, but but Boston's not going
to be awful, they're not goingto be god-awful, they're not
going to be Chicago or Ottawaback in the day, or Buffalo,

(13:51):
they're not going to be that bad.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
No, they still have guys in their prime.
They got Pashnak and.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Swayman and McAvoy still.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
And Geeky.
Geeky scored 33 goals last year.
Right, I'm?
Just saying they still have,and Elias Lindholm Right, they
still have a roster.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, and Elias Lindholm, both of them.
Yeah, they got both.
They're not going to begod-awful, they're going to be a
tweener.
That's what the team they'regoing to be.
They're going to be a tweener.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
They're going to be not good enough maybe to make
the playoffs, and they got so Igot a name and I I'm really
curious and I'm going to do somemore homework on this name,
Cause he's someone going intothe draft when he was in his
draft chair, is very high on and, for whatever reason, it's not

(14:36):
working out for him in the NHL.
And I've seen him play bothroles.
I've seen him as a center, I'veseen him play both in the top
six role.
I've seen him play on a fourthline role, Maybe a third line is
you know a sweet spot thatcould work for him?
Uh, is Joe Valeno, who wasbought out by Chicago.
And I just I don't understandwhat.

(15:02):
What the deal with Valeno is?
Because he's had so much.
He had so much promise just twoseasons ago.
You know what the deal withValeno is he had so much promise
Two seasons ago.
He had 12 goals, he had 28points, playing 13 minutes a
night.
He's a 24-year-old with Detroit, he gets traded to Chicago and
it just doesn't work.
He had 7 points in 18 gameswith Chicago, so he produced and

(15:24):
then they bought him out.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I could listen.
I don't know this for a factand I haven't heard this, but
maybe he's a problem.
I don't know why would Chicagobuy a guy out that's that young
when they need?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
so many draft picks with their said.
They've had so many draft picksover the last three years and
they got to sign these guys.
That's the only thing I canthink of is that they need spots
.
That's a different story.
50 Rasa spots that's adifferent story.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Whether it's keeping a 25-year-old they don't see as
part of their future versussigning someone to an ELC or
trying to get someone to reallyhelp you know veterans to really
help.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, there are still free agents out there.
But I wonder, at what point inthe off season do you start to
get to?
I thought there were going tobe some signings today.
I thought there were going tobe and there were.
Just I don't think it wasanything.
I know the Rangers signed.
They announced they signedBrisson, they signed Dowling.
They announced both of thosesignings Right.
But I thought maybe after theholiday dust had settled that

(16:30):
maybe we'd see a little bit offlurry of action.
But no, I mean Matt Krizlik'sstill out there.
You know Cam Atkinson.
There's some guys.
You know Jimmy Vesey stillisn't signed.
I don't know, he might be done.
There's certain guys that mightjust be PTOs at this point.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
But there are guys still out there, but we'll see
what happens.
So, as far as centers, you gotRune Dog.
He's done.
He's done To me the mostintriguing of the centers, I
mean Jack Roslevic.
I don't think we want to gothere.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
So he had the season he had in Carolina and he didn't
bring him back Season he had.
He had the lump that he had inCarolina.
This guy's becoming a littlebit of a suitcase now, huh.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Well, think about it.
He had what?
10 goals in the first, like 19games.
What did he?
Finish the season with 21.
No 22.
He's terrible.
He had a really really hotmonth and that was it.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
You know, just the thought of his name just pisses
me off.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
But Luke Coonan, so to me, Valeno has this.
Why is?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
nobody signed up though.
I don't know 25 years old,right 25?
.
Why is he still available?
That's what I want to know.
Kaliev got a contract.
Sean, I know, unless he'slooking for a one way deal, that
might not be out there.
I mean, look at the deals thatKaliev and Zach Jones both got.

(18:09):
They both got two-way contractsat like no money.
So I mean that might be whathis sticking point is at this
point he wants a one-way deal.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
And again.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I don't understand why a team wouldn't give it,
Unless he's asking for a lot ofmoney.
Then why wouldn't you give aone-way deal at $775,000?

Speaker 1 (18:37):
You'd bury it.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Unless he has a lot of options.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
He's getting paid his 2.2 million dollars from
Chicago still maybe he's justsifting through offers.
I don't know.
Teams are knocking down hisdoor.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I don't know.
Tanner Janot had an awfulseason last year for LA and he
got 3 million dollars over 5years disgusting.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
So you know, had an awful season last year for LA
and he got $3 million.
This is true Over five, fiveyears.
$3 million, disgusting.
So the next question thenbecomes because there's a lot of
non-committal to this and yeah,as far as what the top six is
going to look like, yeah, is thebandage ad going to play center
?
Was this just a lobby let thingand just hey, let's see how

(19:25):
this works.
And putting him at right wing,what happened with the
conversation with Sullivan whenhe went out to Sweden to talk to
Mika?
Is Mika going to stay in themiddle?
And if so, then that means thateither Zibanejad or Trocek is
going to be the third linecenter.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
That would probably mean Trocek would move down.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I mean theoretically, Then who plays with Panarin and
Lafreniere?
Maybe Lafreniere moves back tohis regular wing, maybe they
don't play together, then thatmeans Cooley plays on the right
side.
That's fine when he's neverdone it, but he's never done
that.
Oh, I don't know.
That's what I'm saying.

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You have a total if Trevenagoes back to the middle.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
This is what concerns me the most about this team is
it's just a bunch of jumbled upguys, guys playing out of
position.
They want to put BradenSchneider on the left.
Now they want to put BradenSchneider on the left side.
So now we're going to go intonext season with now two guys
playing on their off side,unless Scott Morrow makes the

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team.
You're hearing that it'spossible that Braden Schneider's
going to play with Borgen andthat Soucy's going to play with
Vakhanainen.
How stupid is this.
So now they're going to playtwo defensemen on their off side
.
Soucy was terrible on hisregular side.
You're going to play twodefensemen on their offside.
Soostie was terrible on hisregular side.
You're going to play him now onhis offside.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
But at least he'll be on a third pair, which is where
he belongs, playing, you know,14 minutes a night.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Sean, again it's spitting a square peg in a round
hole.
It's just, it's asinine.
I just, I don't know.
I get frustrated because I Ithink that I think, with
Sullivan coming in and we andwe've seen this, this recipe,
how it's gone Quinn comes in,has a great year Next year.

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It's shit.
Galant same thing, lavia thesame thing.
So you assume that Sullivan'scoming in here and they're going
to be.
You know we're going to be.
You know we're going to runthrough, you know we're going to
run through fire for this guyand they're going to do
everything right and they'reprobably going to push for a
playoff spot or even make theplayoffs, but they're not good
enough to win a championship.
They're not, they're not, theydon't have the cap space to do

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it.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
But they're good enough to win the Metro.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I don't know if they're good enough to win the
mix.
I think so.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
And that's all you can do.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Because nobody's good enough to beat Florida.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Unless Florida shoots themselves or has injuries.
They had a hard time beatingWashington last year.
Sean who, the Rangers theystruggled like crazy against
Washington.
They got blown out.
In how many games againstWashington?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
They don't scare me in a playoff series and
Washington's not much differentwhy they lost Maggiapane they
don't scare me in a playoffseries whatsoever.
I'm talking about the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
But you played them four times in the year.
Okay, you got to beat the teamsthat you're chasing, that
you're fighting for.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Everything in the goddamn world went wrong.
We missed the playoffs by sixpoints.
Everything.
There was not one thing otherthan Will Cooley in spurts that
went right for an entire season.
You're right Six points.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I'll tell you it's going to take a really long time
to wash the stench off of thisseason.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
So think of everything we say about Carson
Soucy as to how awful of ahockey player he's been as a
ranger.
Correct, terrible, terrible.
He was still a plus two.
I know that plus minus is notthe end, all be all right, but
it wasn't like he was on the iceit wasn't like he was a minus
two, but the rangers he was aplus two.

(22:59):
That's incredible.
We talk about him like he was aminus nine in 16 games.
You know what I mean?
Like that's.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Very sheltered minutes though, but I get it.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
And that's fine.
That's all he's supposed to be.
Whether we like him or not,whether we like his cap hit or
not, bottom line is he's onlyhere because the coach still
wants him here.
We've seen, and here's theproof of this, that's not why
he's here.
Here's the proof of this.
You've had guys like Cody Ceci.
I mean, look at some of thefree agent contracts that bad

(23:35):
defensemen have signed.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Cody Ceci.
That's a knee-jerk reaction tolosing Gavrikov Plain and simple
.
That's what that is.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
That's a knee-jerk reaction they gave him 30
million dollars that's aknee-jerk reaction to losing a
defenseman, but he's not anygood I know I'm fully aware of
telling me that a team when,when, if they had the
opportunity to trade nothing totrade a seventh round pick to
the rangers for susie at $3million, but they would prefer

(24:04):
to give Cody Ceci $30 million.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
I hate to break this to you.
Chris Drury is not doinganything that's going to be
disruptive to this team.
I think he realized last yearand the year before that it
doesn't work.
I think I don't.
I just think he's going to.
He wants to be as drama-free aspossible.
Carson Soucy waved he didn'twant.
I think I don't.
I just think he's going to.
He wants to be as drama-free aspossible.
Carson Soucy waved he didn'twant to come here.

(24:29):
Had to be convinced why theyhad to beg this fucking guy to
come here and be on me.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
They told.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's a proven fact.
They asked him to wave.
He had to have a phone callwith JT Miller.
He didn't want to wave.
There's no trade clause.
That's where the trade took solong to go through.
That's a proven fact.
He had to be convinced to comehere.
So now there's no way in God'sname, this guy's getting fucking

(24:54):
traded.
No way, because now they'regoing to go to the FA twice.
One, they gave up a high draftpick for him.
One and two, he had to beconvinced to come here.
So so what?
Now you're going to trade himagain.
I, I just don't think he'sgoing to do it.
I hate to say this, but this,this gm, is a fucking coward in
some ways in some ways he gotgavrikov and he got gavrikov at

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a discount.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Let's be honest, we all thought he was going to get
$9 million in the end.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Well, yeah, and again , I mean Gavrikov wanted to be
here.
Let's say what it is.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
The GM still gets credit for convincing him to
take the money that he took.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Oh, yeah, of course, but the player wanted to be here
.
It wasn't like they went on thedoorstep and like, oh, take
less money and the player money.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
And the players like, yeah, okay, no problem, he
wanted to play in new york gottaget me what when the deal is
signed and it comes out beingwhat it was have to give credit
where credit's due right well,listen I guess I'm not saying
that gabber cop is on his way tofucking winnipeg and chris jury
, you know, flew out the fucking, you know the cessna out there

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to fuck and drop the boatload ofcash on his doorstep and said
your signature or?
Your brains will be on thecontract here.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I'm just saying he didn't need to be coaxed to come
here, he didn't need to bewined and dined.
He wanted to play here.
Apparently, panarin played afactor into this whole thing.
We're going to get into Panarin.
I just feel like Drury is notdoing anything else to bring any
negative attention towards thisteam and them trading Carson

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Soucy three months, two months,three months after acquiring him
, when he had to be convinced tocome here, giving up a very
high draft pick.
They are not trading him rightnow.
They're not.
They're just not.
So now they're going to blame.
They're going to blame lobby, alot of lobby Again, like it's
always the coach's fault, alwaysthe coach's fault.

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It's Quinn's fault, it wasglance fault, it was lobby,
let's fault, and two yearsthere'll be Sullivan's fault.
I'm not.
I'm not going to sit here andstop blaming the coaches.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
The coach is partially to blame for this last
season.
I'm sorry, sorry.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I just disagree with you.
I don't.
They quit, they quit.
How do you?

Speaker 1 (27:13):
blame the coach on a team that quit, and it's on the
coach to steer the ship.
How you can't get rid ofanybody.
It's up to you to be a salesmanand get by him.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
He was supposed to bench.
He tried benching this Abedijan.
How'd that work out?

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Again.
This is why these guys havepaid millions and millions and
millions of dollars to coach.
I never said it was fair.
It's pro sports.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
They quit on the GM.
They quit on the GM and theyquit on the coach.
They should have played for thefucking coach.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
They quit on him too, on the coach to get buy-in If a
coach can't get his locker room.
Please, I disagree with you.
If a coach can't get his lockerroom to buy-in, then what is he
there for?
Just to put out a lineup?

Speaker 2 (27:48):
So what is he supposed to do?
Let me ask you a question.
These guys aren't playing well,and this is a goes to what
everyone else was saying Benchhim, bench him.
Someone has to play.
He moved Cly, have been a jettybut had his lowest ice time
since he's been a ranger becausehe wasn't playing well.

(28:09):
How did this all work out forthe coach?
They quit on him, fucking too.
So how he's supposed to do?
Go to their house and freakingtuck them in at night you got to
figure it out they fucking quit.
Don't tell me they have tofigure out.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
You call the players, athletes.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
You play for the fucking team and he's a
professional coach I disagree.
Putting too much completing,putting too much at the feet of
lobby life.
So he's a genius in year oneand he's a fucking failure in
game in year two.
What's the common denominator?
The players quit.
That's the problem.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
They had a fucking meeting he was a genius in the
year talk about the good rowthing he was a genius in the
year where everything went rightyeah, and this team?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
what did they do?
They did the same thing theydid under galant and I'll tell
you, galant got a lot of shit,but he had two 100 point seasons
, two and he got fired.
And what did they do?
The same thing.
They came out against tampa Iget with galant.
They came out, they were gunsblazing.
They fucking smoked tampa inthe home opener.
Come out against anaheim.

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They were smoking them.
All of a sudden they stoppedplaying defense and what
happened?
Anaheim started climbing backinto that game, if you remember,
and it all went down.
It was all downhill after thatuntil true butba threw the
fucking helmet Because theythought they were better than
what they were.
They thought they were abovebeing coached or above being
whatever it was.
And they pulled the same shitthis year.

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The same fucking shit.
The season opened up quick andScherkin had to bail this
fucking team out.
For the first 18 games of theseason.
They did the same shit they didthe year before, or I shouldn't
say that, the second year ofGallant Play.
They played.
This is why this core wasfucking cancer to begin with and

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why Drury wanted to get rid ofhim, because he saw similarities
to what he saw three years ago.
That's why he started makingchanges.
Well, here we are.
I don't like him either, but Idon't like Drury either.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I think he's a shit bag, but that's another story
but there's a ton of rosterturnover right from opening
night but are they better?
Well see, everyone makes thecomparison between last year's
opening night roster and thisyear's opening night roster, jt
Miller wasn't on last year, butlast year's opening night roster
and this year's opening nightroster.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Jt Miller wasn't on last year, but last year's
opening night roster depth-wisewas better.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
But if they weren't playing as a team, would it
matter?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
No, I'm fully aware of that, but on paper and
depth-wise it was a betterroster.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Gabrykab's great but Gabrykab's much better than Ryan
Lindgren.
Correct, but that's not even acomparison.
Jt Miller as a 1C and movingeverybody down a notch is an
improvement over where they wereto start that season.
Yeah, the third line is thethird line's a problem.
It's only a problem if one ofthese kids doesn't step up to at

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least be what Kako was Again.
They don't need to be a 25-goalscorer out of the blue, because
remember Will Cooley you knowwhen Johnny Lazarus says oh, it
was Cooley, hedlund Kako thatwas to start the season.
Cooley moved up in the lineuphalfway through and put up a lot

(31:21):
of points when he was playing,because he was playing so poorly
.
Okay, halfway through and put upa lot of points when he was
playing so poorly, okay.
But I'm saying like that whenwe're talking about how good the
third line was, when we'relooking at the names, yes, but
as a line, yeah, they producedhere and there cooley had that
nice stretch.
What was that?
When everything else was goingdown, it was like cooley was the
only guy who would score somenights, um, but then he got

(31:43):
moved up into the top six andcontinued to play really well.
But Kako was never a stud for usat any point.
So if you're talking about athird line that can replace the
production that Kako gave us,what are we talking about
replacing?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, how many points .

Speaker 1 (32:03):
How many?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
goals.
Again, it's all going to becontingent on what barard often
a parole give you.
I don't think pro is going tobe on the third line.
I think if he doesn't make itto have a top, top six spot, I
don't think he's going to be onthe team that I um.
So I think it's between, Ithink it's between off, unless
they put zabinij at the center.
I think it's between offman andBerard for the third, the third

(32:26):
line spot.
Maybe they'll bring in a guy ona PTO to kind of push them a
little bit.
Um, and then you got Parson in,who I like.
I want to like the guy and I'lltell you I asked you if you
listen to uh Elliot's 32thoughts.
So they have a range Rangerssegment on there.
It's between the Islander,obviously the Islander and the

(32:48):
Phillies segment, and he bringsup Parsimon, which shocked me.
I want to see what this guy I'mlike.
If they're banking on this guyas being some form of savior to
help them to get to the playoffs, they're in trouble.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Well, savior, a third line playing 11 minutes.
12 minutes a night and Xavierare two different things.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Well, I mean, he brought him up, sean.
He brought him up.
The guy's been on three teamsand he's brought him up.
He brought him up in his 32thoughts.
End of season commentary.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
I just thought it was hilarious, but what did he say?
What was the context?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I'd really like to see where they re-sign this guy.
I'd really like to see whathe's going to do and blah, blah,
blah.
I'm like, really, that's what Ihave to look forward to.
I just thought maybe he wasjust fishing for something
because he had nothing else,because, you know, with
everything, with the Rangers.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Let's break down Parson in for a second, because
when you really look at it it'snot nearly as as bad as you
think.
When you just think, I don'tthink he's bad.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I try and I don't think he's bad.
I like him as a player, but I'dlike him more as our 13th
forward than our 9th forward.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Let me ask you a question.
So third-line center on a goodteam.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
I don't want Johnny Brzezinski as my third-line
center.
No, no, no, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
How many points on a good team should a third-line
center?
30 points, 30?
30.
Parsons' rookie season he had25 points in 45 games.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
And what has he had since?

Speaker 1 (34:28):
He had 16 points in 48 games this season so he's
easily a 30-point player.
So his per 82 NHL game averageis 32 points a season.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Well, they brought him back for a reason.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I mean listen, I like I'm 25 points in 45 games.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I'm not gonna sit here and tell you I don't like,
don't like him as a player.
I I liked a lot of things I sawfrom him, especially towards
the tail ended last season.
I I like what I saw from him, Iliked what I saw from robertson
.
But man, man, there is so manyquestion marks.
I mean they're going into thenext season.
There's a lot up for grabs.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Here's the other good part.
You got Radish, who you knowhas the capability to score 20
goals, because he's done it.
You have Parsonin, who you knowhas the capability to put up 30
points if he plays every gameor if he plays done it Right.
You have Parsonin, who you knowhas the capability to put up 30
points if he plays every gameor if he plays 75 games Right,
because he's done it on aper-game average in his career.

(35:34):
The only question mark is theleft side, and you're going into
next season with twofirst-round picks.
Do they have their second-roundpick for the Rangers?

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Mm-hmm, they have Carolina's second-round pick.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
I'm sorry you have a second-round pick, you have all
the draft pick ammunition.
You need to make a move at thedeadline.
The moves at the deadline thatthey're going to make next year.
Most likely, if everything'sgoing the way we would
anticipate it would go it's notgoing to be to be replacing
Cooley Lafreniere Panarin.
This is also assumingZibanejad's staying on the right

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wing in the top six.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
It's fixing the third line.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
It's fixing the third line.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Right, and it's what you would want to do going into
the playoffs.
If you have to start replacingguys in your top six, you're
just not having problems.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Even when Florida brings in Brad Marchand.
They brought him in to play inthe bottom six and he forced his
way up because he played sowell.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
But the Rangers brought in St Louis played on
the third line and he forced hisway up by playing.
Well, maybe not, maybe thePouliot line was the third line,
but anyway it doesn't matteryeah, the pulley, yeah, pulley
up broussard and um.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
But I mean parson is going to be 24, so this is, you
know, it's a big boy year forhim.
It's time for him to to step up, and they committed to him,
they gave him two years.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
They gave him two years.
You know he's not making a tonof money.
Um, you know, what I will givejury credit for is he was smart
when people were crying and Iwas guilty of it, about crying
over him signing all these guys.
He definitely got some kind ofcost certain, cost certainty.
And when you start seeing whatthese other players have gotten,

(37:16):
you know someone made a pointof saying, well, would you
rather have Will Borgen at fiveyears at 4.1, or Ryan Lindgren
at four years at 4.5, or ryanlingren at four years at 4.5?
not even not even a conversationyeah, I mean obviously
lingren's, maybe a year or twoyounger.
But I even told one of myfriends who hated the borgen
signing and and a lot of peopledidn't like it I mean a lot of

(37:37):
people we respect didn't likethat.
They that they essentially, youknow, handed borgen, you know
that contract based off of what?
17 games at that point, oreight, 10 games, whatever it was
, and it was more than that.
When did they re-sign him?
They re-signed him fairly quick, right, I think probably 10, 15

(37:58):
games in, yeah, something likethat.
So there were people a lotupset about it.
And when you start seeing thecontracts that have been thrown
out, I mean Borges is a betterdefenseman than Cody Ceci, he's
a better defenseman thanLindgren.
You know Dublin, I would sayhe's maybe, like you know, neck
and neck as far as defensively.
But I mean you saw what thesedefenses were getting and you

(38:19):
know they got some corecertainty out of it.
You know they got some corecertainty out of it.
You know vac and I was anotherguy.
I go why they signed him andagain, I was critical of it like
keep the cap space, he wasavailable first before you start
throwing money around yeah,could you imagine?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
yeah, and he's still a young kid.
He's only 25 years old, vac,and I didn't, so maybe his
potential is not even realizedyet and we've had, and you and I
had a.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
We went back and forth with someone on twitter
about it or on Facebook, I think, about Vakunainen, and I'm not
going to completely dismiss whatthe person said and disregard
it, but I want to at least seewhat the kid can play, if he can
play in the playoffs.
You know we all loved AntonStrollman.
You know we all loved him whenhe was making $800,000 his first

(39:02):
year in 2000,.
And then when he got thetwo-year extension, when he was
making $800,000 his first yearin 2000,.
And then when he got thetwo-year extension when he was
making $1.5 million or $1.8million, and we all loved him.
But Strollen played on what heplayed on Columbus.
He played on Toronto.
He got cut from the Devils intraining camp.
The other Rangers signed him ona PTO.
Sometimes these defensemen takea little time and we talked

(39:25):
about this a million times about.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Michael Sauer.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Forsling in Florida.
He got bought out.
Forsling, michael Sauer.
There are defensemen that justfind a niche later on in their
careers.
I want to at least give the kidthe benefit of the doubt and
say, okay, you're not making alot of money.
I need to see how this guyplays in a playoff series and

(39:47):
you know what, sean.
Honestly, maybe what this teamneeds is just to get in this
year and give these guys some,some, some of these other guys
some playoff experience, and,even if they don't go very far,
and then they reload next yearand and you know, we have what
would we say they have about 30,almost $ million dollars in cap
space for next season I stillthink, and, and until we lose,

(40:12):
I'll be proven otherwise I stillthink we're the best team in
the metro, especially once youget us into a seven game series.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
And it starts with it starts with the fact we win
every goaltending matchup.
You, if we're going to playcarolina, where we have the
better goalie, if we're going toplay the devils, we have the
better goalie.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Washington, we have the better goalie a hard time
though that son of a bitchmarkstrom always gives them a
hard time we still have thebetter goal.
I'm not disputing that, but I'mjust saying the better.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
They're all floating guys, the dev Devils.
Now they traded away Eric Holla.
They're looking to move DougieHamilton, if they can.
They're in transition too.
They don't scare me like theyonce did.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Definitely.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
the Atlantic is definitely better Columbus is a
team that is going to be reallygood.
I still think they're a year ortwo away from being there, but
they look like they're going tobe very good.
Philly is still just going tobe Philly.
The Isles is still going to bethe Isles.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
How much would Proveroff have made if he made
it to the open market, like whyyou didn't?

Speaker 1 (41:20):
get the eight years from Columbus Right.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Why wouldn't?
You didn't get the eight yearsfrom Columbus Right?
Why wouldn't you have testedthe market?
You knew what Columbus's offerwas.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
He wanted to stay there, they said.
I mean there's a lot of peoplewho have come out and said you
know the hate that Columbus getsas a market.
It's a great city Because theseguys love living there.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
It is a wonderful, warm city Not warm
temperature-wise, but people.
I've been to a game there.
It's a wonderful city to visitand to be in.
They're just never good.
They've never been good.
They can't attract free agents.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
But they're starting to.
Johnny Goudreau went there yeah, he did, and now they were able
to keep.
They're starting to.
Johnny Goudreau went there, hedid, and now they were able to
keep Zach Wierenski.
They were able to keep him.
He didn't go free agency.
They were able to keep Provorov, and they have all these young
kids that look really fuckinggood.
They're just still really,really young.

(42:20):
Adam Fantilli is going to beone of the best players in the
league.
He's 20 years old.
We young.
Adam Fantilli is going to beone of the best players in the
league.
He's 20 years old.
We'll see what happens.
I don't know, he's 24.
I'm going to be really scared.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
They've been there for 20 years.
They haven't You've got toconvince me.
It's great.
God bless Johnny Goodrell.
God bless him for going there.
I love that he did that, thathe went a different route, that
he didn't sign with theIslanders or the Devils or
Philly.
He was close enough, but nottoo close.

(42:51):
Philly was a foregoneconclusion.
But he was close, but he wasn'ttoo close.
He came back east, but hewasn't too close, and I think
sometimes that's the best thing.
Coming home isn't always thebest scenario for a lot of guys.
No, just ask our strawberry,the ex Chris Higgins, if you
want to say I'm telling you.
I've heard a lot of storiesabout him coming back.

(43:14):
It was not.
It was a very stressful timefor him.
People asking for tickets youknow it was.
It wasn't.
It wasn't enjoyable.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Let's just put a bow on the third line here.
I'm going to state that Parsonin the middle, radish on one
side, and to me it's you.
Let Othman and Berard duke itout.
I want Perot starting theseason in Hartford.
Let him make the Rangers'decision for him.
We can't keep this kid down.

(43:45):
He's just too damn good.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
And if that's the case, then he earns a spot
somewhere.
I think Mika's going to playcenter and I think Mika's going
to play on the wing.
I think they're going to doboth.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
I'm not going to see where the chips lie, mika's
going to play center on the wing.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
He's going to play center.
Some games I talking about.
I think Mika is going to playboth center and wing.
I think he's going to.
Before they make a decision, Ithink where he plays might be
based on the way the youngplayers play, the way Perot

(44:19):
plays, the way Offman plays.
Maybe they force them to moveone of these guys, move Mika
back to the center.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
It should be based on move Mika back to the center.
It should be based on how Mikaplays.
How does Mika look?
Does Mika look quick?
Does he look fast?
Because his hockey IQ, I think,is still very, very good, so
it's just a matter of is hismotor going and are his?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
legs there If we are going.
I think if we don't see nowagain, pre-season is what it is.
I mean we've seen a lot.
You know brandon peary, thelist goes on and on.
You have great guys, have greatpre-seasons.
I need to see jump out of himin the pre-season, all you ever
have to do with zibanejad islook at his skating.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
If he's able to jump out of him if he's skating well.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
It was always the same with Crider too.
When they're when they'reskating and they're engaged,
they're great, and when they'renot.
Last year was the first year wesaw anything from Zibanejad
where he wasn't skating hard.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Right Frank Saravelli called his car.
He's like his contract isuntradeable, nobody wants that
guy nobody wants.
Yeah, I disagree, somethingalong those lines, I disagree, I
, I, I don't know, maybe if hegave, maybe if he was able to go
there for free, but it's lowhanging fruit to to attack?

Speaker 1 (45:39):
I don't think I, I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
I don't think you can win with him, but I guess we'll
find out.
Win with him or win with him asyour best player.
I don't think you can win withhim in your top six.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
That I disagree with.
It was proven clear in theFlorida series that we couldn't
win with him as our number onecenter.
Yeah, so if he's a right wingor if he's a number two center,
I do think he can win with him Idon't know.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
We'll see shauna listen I where we can only say
we can, only we can debate this.
You know, you think youropinion we gotta, we gotta see.
I mean, we gotta see what thisseason brings.
And this is going to be a verybig season for him because it's
just gonna get more.
He has another down here.
Oh yeah, it's going to justkeep getting louder and louder
and louder and it just going toget more.
He has another down year.
Oh yeah, it's going to justkeep getting louder and louder
and louder and it's going to geta lot more uncomfortable for

(46:30):
him.
And we all know that he can'thandle the criticism.
I just part of me is verysurprised that he'd rather I
mean, his family is young enoughwhere you can go somewhere else
and start over and it not be abig deal, like you're not taking

(46:50):
an eight-year-old out of school.
Why wouldn't you want to gosomewhere else and, kind of like
, start over, like start fresh?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Wants to be here.
Why is that a bad?

Speaker 2 (47:04):
thing Because he wants to be here for the wrong
reasons?
We don't know that.
Well, did he say that he didn't?
Did he say he would?
Did he say in his comments thathe wanted to be here to help
this team win a championship?
Or did he say I know what mycontract says?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Could have been taken out of context.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Well, he said it live .
I heard him say it out of hisown mouth.
I'm going to send you the clip,I'm going to find it and send
it to you, but I don't want totalk about him anymore because
it gets me aggravated.
I don't like the fact that hequit.
I don't like the fact that hequit.
But the other thing too isPanarin.
Let's talk about Panarin for aminute, and Larry Brooks had a

(47:49):
big article about him and it gotme thinking a lot about
Lafreniere, because Lafrenierewas just an absolute ghost last
year.
What happens?
What happens if this season?
What happens if the Lafrenierefrom two years ago was an
outlier?
Where does this team stand?
They have no choice then tobring back Panarin.
I think they have no choiceanyway.

(48:14):
Well, I don't know, we don'tknow yet.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I mean again I'll tell you why.
Just the UFA market that wethink is going to be there won't
.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Well, I don't think the Rangers move, do anything
until Eichel and McDavid aresigned.
I don't think he's re-signeduntil then, and I would go as
far to say that I don't thinkhe's resigned unless a lot of
the big free agents are the ufasare signed.
I'm talking about caprizov, I'mtalking about a lot of these, a

(48:46):
lot of these ufas for next year.
I don't think, and I wantpanarin back.
Let me, let me preface that.
Right, panarin.
I looked his statistics so hehad 89 points last year.
So he was one point off,obviously, from scoring 90
points.
In his six years here he hasscored.
We'll say he scored 90 thisyear, just to be fair to him,

(49:06):
right it?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
was 89.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
He would have scored over 90 points 90 or above in
five out of his six seasons.
The only year he did not scorewas the shortened season, the
COVID shortened season, where hescored 58 points in 42 games.
So he was on pace.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
For 120 points.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
For 116 points Right.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
His first year he was on pace for 120.
The second year was on pace for116 or 120.
That's why when he had the 120point season, it's like, well,
it's kind of just what he's done, except and he put up 40 goal,
almost 40, except for the putinyear.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
The putin year was the only year that he struggled
and you can understand, and hisgoal scoring has gotten better
right, he's put up 39 when hescored 30 something goals, 38
goals year and 49 the yearbefore, something like that.
Yeah, so he's gotten betterCorrect and he scored 90 points
this year on an awful team withno help, right, so to your point

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.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Let me just finish my thought.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
He, I forgot.
Just go Say what you can say.
I forgot what I was going tosay.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
So McDavid's not going anywhere.
I just want to state that today, tomorrow, for the next 10
years, he's not going anywhere.
He's being resigned.
They're going to work this outduring the season.
What's-his-name went into theseason also, why were they
waiting for the season to start?

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Why are they waiting for the season to start to get
this thing done?
They did the same withDreisaitl and they still haven't
fixed their goaltending problem.
They haven't David's not goinganywhere.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
So the big names that I Kyle Conner I could see
shaking loose.
I could see Winnipeg gettingtotally blown up during the
season this year.
So Kyle Conner is someone thatcould shake loose.
He's 28.
Eichel not going anywhere.
I wish I would chop off a legto get him.
It's not happening.
Chop off a leg.

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Marty Natchez that's a very,very intriguing player.
He's only 26 years old.
That could happen.
Colorado probably won't havethe cap room to keep him.
Talk about someone who would bea great deadline addition with
our first round picks.
Are the Rangers bringing inOvechkin?

(51:33):
I saw that.
Agent Kempe.
Rasmus Anderson I saw thatAdrian Kempe.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Rasmus Anderson's another one that's a free agent.
I think he's going to go toVegas, but I'm sorry, let me
interrupt you.
Keep going.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Adrian Kempe.
Maybe We'll see what happenswith LA Right.
Alex Tuck, I'm sure he'll begone.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I don't know.
I heard he likes Buffalo.
That's all I've been hearingKaprizov.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Andrews, lee Zuccarello, malkin Giroux.
So now you're getting into some.
You know, yeah, these are nicenames and nice guys to add, but
no one that I wouldn't re-signPanarin to try and bring in
patrick linea.
Yeah, you know, the the listgets really narrow really quick

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when you consider a lot of theseguys and these teams know that
they're every single team'sgetting another 10 million
dollars in caps.
Yes, yeah, so to think thatthese guys are not going to be
resigned.
The only reason they wouldn'tbe resigned is that they don't
want to be there, right.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
So, Connor, I could see that not want to be in LA
Right, and, and Kenny Hollandand I don't know if you watch
the NHL network um, uh, freeagent thing.
I recorded it and watched itlater.
Uh, you know, EJ Raddick saidthat he was at the draft and he
asked you know Kenny Holland?
Straight out, and he said youknow, sometimes you can read a

(53:04):
guy's body language and andHolland, you know, said those
said what he was saying, but youcould just tell that you know
he wasn't going back there.
So guys want to stay but theycan't because obviously cap or

(53:24):
whatever else.
But if guys want to stay andthey're comfortable, what I
don't like is are you stayingbecause you think the team has a
chance to win a championship orare you staying because you're
comfortable?
That's the part that wouldbother me, as a fan, obviously,
and not as a player, Because ifI'm a player it would be none of

(53:47):
no one else's business.
I want guys that want to win.
I want a guy that wants to comehere and say okay, I think this
team, I don't think is goodenough to win.
I need to go someplace where Ithink I can win.
I mean, if you're ConnorMcDavid right now.
You've just been to back toback Stanley Cup Finals.
How many?
times do you think you'regetting back there?

Speaker 1 (54:08):
how many times with him and Dreisaitl, together with
that goal tending with thatdefense.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
They have to get another goalie.
How about their defense?
Sean Darnell Nurse is awful.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Not in the playoffs, he wasn't.
He's getting praised forplayoffs.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
I didn't watch by who .
I didn't hear anyone praise him.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Nationally he's getting a lot of praise.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I didn't hear that, but I didn't really watch.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I want to try to relate this to you because,
other than professionally, I'venever really been part of any
team, being what I do you have.
So, for instance, you werecomfortable in your firehouse.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
You have guys that want to chase fire and you have
guys that go to Brooklyn, thatwant to go to busy house in the
Bronx, they want to go to squad,they want to go to rescue.
So, yeah, you got guys leaving.
And you know what, if you don'twant to be in my firehouse,
leave.
I was content where I was,cause I had, I had seniority
where I was and I wascomfortable where I was.
I didn't want to chase fire atthat point.

(55:11):
I was already at that point,right.
But in my profession, you know,I was content with that.
But as a young player, as a guythat's hungry, I went to fires.
I did it.
I've experienced that At thatpoint in my career I wasn't
looking to move and I worked ina slow house in Manhattan and I

(55:31):
transferred to a busier house inQueens.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
You know who you sound like who Panarin Zibanejad
.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
No, I don't, Because Panarin Zibanejad hasn't won
anything.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
But he was comfortable where he was and it
wasn't worth it.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
He didn't experience anything.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
He experienced plenty , he just didn't get the cup.
He got close my point.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
And he put in his time.
He put in his time.
That's a totally differentsituation.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
He hasn't won a championship did you win a
championship of fires?
I'm not trying to be, it's adifferent thing.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
It's a completely different thing.
And I worked.
I worked in lower Manhattan.
I bounced around, but worked inLower Manhattan.
I get it, I bounced around,right, but what the difference
is?
He didn't say what he shouldhave said.
He wanted to rather becomfortable, and I don't want
players here that just want tobe comfortable.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
And that's a fair statement to make, but when
you're looking at it from hispoint, of view, I also didn't
make $9.5 million.
I was waiting for that.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I put my fucking life on the line, not what these
guys do?

Speaker 1 (56:41):
This guy just has to battle Sasha Barkov for seven
games.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Listen, I'll tell you .

Speaker 1 (56:44):
You know what, though , sean, I don't know, I think
I'd rather run into a burningbuilding than have to battle
Sasha Barkov for seven games.
Probably right.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Maybe in some ways the criticism these guys get is
ridiculous and in New York morethan anywhere else, as a hockey
player you can Mika Zbigniewiczcan walk around Manhattan in
anonymity, aaron Judge can't,jalen Brunson probably can't, to
a certain degree, jetercouldn't, probably Juan Soto

(57:15):
can't.
I don't know about the footballguys, I can't speak to that.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Mika's pretty noticeable.
He's a different looking dude,but he's not.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
The hair, the eyes.
You and I would recognize himin a second.
I'm talking about the scope ofNew York sports.
He is so far down the chainit's not even funny Like.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I couldn't even tell you.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
He's not.
Even Hank is probably the onlyguy that you could maybe see,
other than Mess, that you couldsay, if you saw him, people
would know who he was to acertain degree.
I don't think Leach.
I think Leach could walk aroundand nobody would know who he
was to a certain degree.
I don't think Leach.
I think Leach could walk aroundand nobody would know.
I think Richter could walkaround and no one would know who
he was.
Hank and Messier, because theirfaces were out there, more so

(58:06):
than anyone else.
Mika's face is not out there,panarin's face isn't out there.
No one knows who.
Panarin is One of the greatestfree agent signings in Rangers
history, and Aaron is one of thegreatest free agent signings in
Rangers history.
We have no idea who he can walkaround New York and anonymity.
I've got to have a point tothis whole thing.
Um, you know, I just want guysthat are hungry to win, not just

(58:26):
all right.
Well, I know what my contractsays, I know what I agreed upon,
so I'm not going anywherebecause that's what my contract
says.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
No, I don't want a guy like if I remember that, win
a championship, I do want youto get me the clip because, if I
remember correctly, it was adirect answer to whether or not.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
X to waive your no trade clause?
No, but I, if you would youwell, no, I know what my
contract says.
That was the.
That was the quote, sean, I'mnot making it up.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
I just want to see the full context.
I know for shit, sean that hedidn't say.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I want to stay here to help the team win a
championship, that's fuckingsure.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Let's see how they come into training camp this
year and what the quotes are andwhat the body language is.
Like you said, we're going tosee it right away.
It is going and said we'regoing to see right away.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
It is going and listen.
I am very guilty of not beingable to move on from certain
things, especially when it comesto this team.
I feel in life I'm able to moveon from things.
In a fight with my wife I'mable to move on a lot faster
than I am with this team.
Faster than I am with this team.
I am so disgusted with the waythis season ended that I am

(59:38):
going to be waiting for all ofnext year.
They could start off 25 and oh,and I'm going to be waiting for
a five game losing streak.
I'm just, I'm sorry and I'mguilty of it and I apologize for
it in advance.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Even if the 25 and oh is that winning hockey games
like the way you want to seethem win and it's not smoke and
mirrors?

Speaker 2 (59:58):
But smoke and mirrors .
When everyone was complainingto me last year oh, just enjoy
it.
Oh my God, they're winninggames, but they're doing it.
It's fake, it was all a mirage.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I said how many times on this show.
They're a 50 win team, they'regoing to get 100 points and be
in the playoffs, and I'm, as Ieat, a ton of crow for me being
completely, completely wrong,and I will be while I didn't
think.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
But to be very optimistic, did you think this
team was going to quit the waythey did?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Sean they, when I saw it happening, they didn't go to
overtime one game yeah, no oneis saying if they would have
went to overtime three timesthey did Sean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
They went 4-15.
They didn't go to overtime onegame.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
understand if they would have went to overtime
three times.
They would have made theplayoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
When you saw it happening, you knew it was
happening, you couldn't deny it.
They quit.
They weren't just all of asudden bad.
But what happened withZibanejad?
It's weird.
I don't think Zibanejad see, Isee I it's.
It's weird.
I don't think Zibanejad quitthe way a lot of people do.

(01:01:02):
There had to be somethingphysically wrong with him to
start the season because hephysically wasn't skating the
way that he normally skates.
And again, I've heard this fromif I've heard it from a hundred
pro athletes, I've heard thisfrom if I've heard it from a
hundred pro athletes, I've heardit from a thousand the minute
you take your foot off the gas,you leave yourself susceptible
to an injury.

(01:01:22):
Every pro athlete knows this.
Every pro athlete preaches this.
So I can't imagine that he justtook his foot off the gas and
skated the way he skated.
He had to be nursing somethingbecause in the second half of
the season he didn't skate likethat and he was back to being
70-something.
Point to Benajed, not 90.

(01:01:43):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
He'll never be 90 points again.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
And that's fine.
I need him to be.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
You know what shocked me though Because I was looking
at last year's numbers becauseI knew we were going to talk
about some of this stuff tonighthe was tied for second in
points with 62?
Where those were the weakest 60points I've ever seen in my
life.
Second half of the season.
He was much better.
Yeah, when the team was alreadyburied, they weren't already

(01:02:12):
buried.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
They were buried with a week to go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
They had lost 15 a week to go.
They had lost 15 out of 19games.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
And they still weren't buried because of the
start they got off to.
They weren't buried.
In the standings.
They were never buried, at anypoint.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
No one in their wildest dreams.
I don't think they were evermore than 8 points out of the
playoffs you telling me a gun toany Ranger fans' head and I put
a polygraph test on them.
You're telling me that theythought this team was making the
playoffs after that 4-15tobacco I still did.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
I said it on the show a thousand times.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
You're the only one.
You might have been the onlyone.
And I wasn't far off yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
And again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
If they would have just gotten to overtime, three
times they would have made theplayoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Or if they would have showed up in the last week of
April, the first week of April,they showed up.
During that week they'd makethe playoffs.
Yeah, you know, I just January1st to the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
You know what you want?
To sit here and say they turnedthe season around.
I watched them get shit cannedby fucking the Buffalo Sabres
twice.
I saw them get smoked byPittsburgh without Crosby and
Malkin.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
That's the game that does it, man, I just here's the
stretch.
I can't defend them.
When they didn't make theplayoffs, the stretch was the
devil.
They get shut out by the devils.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
They lose five.
To Tampa, they lost eight.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Yeah, four, nothing.
They lost.
Eight to five to Philly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
That's right.
Was that the Davidson game?

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
A five game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Yes, yes, I remember that that's the one game I
watched.
Where's the Pittsburgh gamethat was coming out of?
That was a Friday night.
I want to say when in theseason was it.
It was Friday night, but it wasafter the Four Nations.
I think it was after the FourNations or just before it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
It was just before it Were they lost 3-2?
.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
No, it wasn't that close, was it Was?

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
it that close.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
No, it was more than 3-2.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
I'm looking for another game where we played
Pittsburgh.
It was a Friday night inFebruary, I want to say so.
We beat Pittsburgh inPittsburgh 5-3 on February 23rd.
Yeah, it was February 7th.
We lost 3-2 at home toPittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Really that was it, yeah, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
But there was just no reason in the world they should
have won, and we were playingreally good at that time.
Are you sure it was only?

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
3-2?
Yeah, wow, that game seemed alot worse than 3-2.
Maybe they were down 3-0 in thefirst period.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Must have been what it was.
Again, I know I said it acouple of shows ago January 2nd
to the end of the season 46games and Benajed had 41 points
and he was a 0 plus minus 52.6%of his face-offs.
He was much more just back tobeing Mika for whatever reason,

(01:05:31):
and we'll never know if he wasnursing an injury because he
won't admit it.
Or was he nursing just beingbutthurt over Truba and Goudreau
?

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
and everything else.
Yeah, this is the game I thinkRaquel scored.
I could tell you by who scored.
I know Ricard Raquel scored inthe game February 7th.
Yeah, he did so, it was….

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Yeah Raquel, yeah Tomasino on the power play.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Tomasino on the power play Lake Lazat yep, and that's
the game.
Raquel, so it was 2-1 goinginto.
Wow, I'll tell you that gameseemed worse than what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
I thought it was a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
I thought it was a lot more than 3-2.
Well, how many shots a goal didthey even have in that game?
It was yeah, they had 24.
Well, how many shots a goal didthey even have in that game?
Because it was yeah, they had24 shots on goal.
17 giveaways I mean, pittsburghhad 18 giveaways.
Pittsburgh blocked 22 shots inthat game and Pittsburgh was 1

(01:06:31):
for 3 on the power play and theface-offs were even.
It was just a bad game.
It was just the-offs were even.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
It was just a bad game, it was just the
circumstances around the game.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
It was just a bad game.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
They got in at 3 o'clock in the morning,
back-to-back.
There was no reason in theworld that they should have won,
and that's why they won.
They played with zero pressureat all.
Is what it is.
Yeah, I'm not allowed.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Sean, I'm trying so hard to not keep rehashing last
season, but it was just soepically bad that I just it's
like a car wreck that you justcan't look away from.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
It really is.
It's awful.
Let's move on and talk aboutWell, let's finish.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I mean, do we type an aaron off in a bow?
Because the thing about what wedidn't finish?
that we gotta, we gotta weigh onthat tangent yeah, so the get
back to ben aaron for a minute.
Yeah, you talked about becauseI listened to your live that you
did for our patreon, uh,subscribers and I like the idea

(01:07:36):
of spreading the AAV out.
I just don't know how far intoyour 40s they're going to let
you, because can't you not gopast your 40th birthday?
Oh, I don't know, becauseremember the whole Kovalchuk
contract that had to do with himplaying until he was like 49
years old?

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
I think that was just because it was past eight years
.
They changed the rule to eightyears.
They gave him a 15-year dealwhen he signed it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Well, panera, up until when does the CBA change,
where you can't give playerseight years?

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Two years from now, not the upcoming offseason, the
one after that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
So this upcoming offseason, you could still give
him an eight-year deal.
Okay, so I mean again, itdepends on what the guy wants.
Actually, I take that back.
If it's before July 1st, youcan give him an eight-year deal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Before.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
July 1st right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, July 1st is when the new CBA starts, so the
I mean it depends on whatPanarin wants.
I mean, does he need it withevery last dollar?

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
I've made my view clear.
I want Panarin back, do you?
Yes, okay, for the same reasons, where just there's no one you
could really replace him with.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I don't think you can replace.
First of all, he hasn't shownme he's 34 years old.
He hasn't shown.
Well, he 34 years old he hasn'tshown Well, he's going to be 34
when the season starts.
I haven't seen a drop off.
Right, I have.
I mean, usually when guys hit30, 31, like we talked about
Adam Graves, in some ways it's a.

(01:09:08):
It's remarkable, even Criderhad gotten better in his
thirties, which me.
Crider had two of his bestseasons after 30.
I mean, that's unheard of, youknow, and you haven't seen a
drop off.
He's still putting up 90 points, you know.

(01:09:29):
And I said to myself well, youknow, do you bring him back?
What if they have another shityear?
I mean, what if they haveanother really down season where
they're, like you know, inreally dire straits again and
all the wheels fall off and soon and so forth.
And that's why I think in someways, like with Dan Rosen said,

(01:09:49):
they may wait, take the wait andsee approach to see how this
team plays to start the season.
Cause on both ends.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
maybe if an Aaron wants to see how this team plays
to start the season On bothends Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Panarin wants to see how the season goes too how he
likes playing for Sullivan.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Maybe a wait and see on both ends.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Right, exactly.
So I'd bring him back.
If you're telling me right nowto make a decision, I'd bring
him back.
But I could definitely see theapprehensiveness from the team.
Because, sean, let's be honest,you rattled off those free
agents.
Natch from the team.
Because, sean, let's be honest,you know you rattled off those
free agents.
You know nature's is a niceplayer, connor's a nice player.
You know Kempe is a nice player.

(01:10:23):
Don't do any of Tuck's a niceTuck to me.
If you tell me right now, tuckto me is the one guy you could
say I could put my line up, Icould be, I could win a
championship with that guyBecause the way he plays, his
style of play, he's tough, he'stenacious.
I don't want another softplayer playing in my top six.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
You think Kyle Conner's a soft player?

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I don't know.
They played Kreider in gameseven of the frigging Four
Nations.
It's Four Nations tournamentover him.
I mean, I don't think KyleO'Connor's a pansy.
Do I watch them enough?
He's a skinny, red-headed guy.
He doesn't scare me in any way41 goal, 97 point guy last year.

(01:11:09):
That scares the shit out of me.
How are you doing the playoffs?
What were his statistics?
I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Sure, it's not sure why I called him up.
He had 17 points in 13 games inthe playoffs this year.
Okay, five goals.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Okay, winnipeg hasn't won shit though, and I'm not
saying it's his fault, I'msaying it's Mark's fault.
But I don't know, is he a big?

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
He's another small guy, he's six One.
Is he six one one, 85.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Wow, he looks much smaller on the ice.
Wow, wow, that actually blew me, that actually blew my mind a
little bit.
He looks so small out there.
Yeah, you know, isn't it funnythat certain guys that just look
small and he looks him.
I thought Brett howden lookedsmall.
I met him in person.

(01:11:58):
He's pretty big.
Jimmy Beastie always lookedsmall to me on the ice.
He's a pretty big guy.
You know, it's funny how thesecertain players they just look
small on the ice.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Beastie he was listed at 6'3.
When the Rangers got him, likeI said, I met him.
He was listed as 6'3.
When the Rangers got him, likeI said, I met him.
He was my height, so he's not6'3.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
I don't know, I'm not a Conor guy.
Those Winnipeg guys scare me.
They've always fallen short andmaybe they need to be separated
.
Shifley, to me, is the guy youreally.
I mean to me, sean, honestly,the collecting the winger thing
again, they need a center.
They need a center.
They're not winning.
Tell me right now, you'retelling me right now, that Vegas

(01:12:43):
, even though they got Stone,they got Petrangelo, they got
friggin' you know shape to yourdoor.
They got this guy, they gotthat guy.
I'm telling you right now, theydo not win a cup.
They don't sniff a cup withoutjack eichel.
So if they can't find alegitimate superstar center,
they're winning.
I just don't think they can win.
And you want to say, okay, well, look at st louis.

(01:13:05):
All right, st louis is one teamout of how many that have gone
to the one championship withoutan elite center.
I just think, unless thinkthey're not drafting them either
.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Right, I'm past that.
If they're ever going to getthis guy, it's trading or
signing for.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
And the problem is they don't become available.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Ever, and when they do, you're not trading them to
the Rangers because it's ahigh-profile trade.
If you're going to trade away along-term Trading Eichel to
Vegas, wasn because it's a highprofile trade If you're going to
trade away.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
you know I go to Vegas.
It wasn't a high profile.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
No, who the fuck gave a shit about it in the news.
I went to Vegas.
Maybe now if it went to theRangers.
It's all over the news Everytwo seconds.
His face is everywhere.
It's a much, much, muchdifferent thing they have to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Again, I don't know what they do and you know what,
sean, honestly, even if theybring Panarin back, they still
need to fix the defense.
They still need anotherdefenseman.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
So let's talk about that.
So you're good with Gavrikovplaying in that role.
So, gavrikov Fox, leave thatalone.
That's your top pair, love it.
Are you good with Braden?

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Schneider playing in your top four?
Yes, but I'd rather Borgenslide down then.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Are you good with Borgen playing in your top four?

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
As a player, I like, yes, I do, I like Borgen, I do,
I like Borgen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
So then we got to give it a chance before we can
shit on it, because we like bothplayers playing in that role.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Then give Scott Morrow every chance to make the
team next year.
He will, regardless of Scott's,of Susie's contract and his
family and all the othernonsense.
Then give Scott Morrow theopportunity to make the team.
Don't automatically give CarsonSusie a spot.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
You don't think that Drury wants something to show
for the trade right away, likeif we're being skeptical of you
know?
Oh, drury would never want toget rid of Soucy because he
brought him in.
It's his guy.
Well, scott Morrow is a Druryguy.
He brought him in.
I know that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
I'm not, he's going to get a chance.
I just think that Soucy hasgotten a lot.
I mean, there is not manypeople on this team that want
this guy back.
I mean, he is the newdefenseman whipping boy on this
team.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Wait, rephrase that there's guys on the team itself
that don't want him back.
No, no, no, no.
There's a fan base, A fan baseexcuse me, sorry, let me
rephrase that.
Yeah, he has the potential tobe the guy who gets booed during
introductions on opening nightCorrect and totally unfairly.
Honestly, he played 16 gameshere, oh, but he was fucking
terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
But he wasn't.
Don't go by the plus minus,because he could have been on
the ice for four goals in theIslander game, where they scored
a nine.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Let's find out.
No, no, I'm curious.
I want to see his plus minusfor that game.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
And to also be fair, they decided to go on a two-game
winning streak at the end ofthe season and shut out fucking
Tampa and freaking come backagainst fucking Florida when
they had no business doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Listen, if he was a plus six in the last couple of
games.
Here I'll totally agree withyou.
He did not play the final gameof the season, so he wasn't a
part of that he did huh, no,robertson played, remember,
robertson played the last twogames?

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah, but there was a reason.
Was he hurt?

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Susie, yeah, susie had surgery, susie had surgery.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
I thought so no Schneider had surgery.
Oh, schneider, right, he'sshining to.
No Schneider had surgery.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Oh, schneider, right, he didn't play the last two
games.
Okay, so Susie played the nextTampa game.
He was a plus one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
So we'll give him that one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
That was the last game of the season, by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
No, it was the next to last one.
He didn't play the last game ofthe season.
Who was the last game of theseason against?
No, I'm sorry, florida was ateam.
He was a plus one, a minus onethe night before against
Carolina.
And here's the big Islandergame, the minor league game plus

(01:17:04):
two.
So if you take that game out ofit, he was still a plus one he
was still on the positive side.
Again we act like he was aminus nine in 16 games Do you
remember?

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
I don't know what team it was against?
Do you remember the game he wasplaying with Fox?

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
I don't remember the team it was, that's all you
needed to tell me right there hedoesn't belong in that role.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
I don't care, but he wasn't playing against the
freaking top line and he'scompletely out of position,
boxing in the corner, and he'sgoing behind the net as well,
leaving the slot wide open.
Where are you going?

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Do you know who we'll put that on?

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Laviolette?
Let me guess no, not.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Laviolette, because Laviolette's system is
Laviolette's system.
The jury shouldn't have broughtin a guy who's never played
man-to-man defense and expecthim to step right in and learn
it.
You've got to feel bad for theplayer a little bit on that.
He's got to learn a completely,completely new defense he's
never played before.
That's difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
You're a professional athlete, you're 29 years old
not 21.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
When you're playing in a system, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
He's played on three other teams.
He's never played man-to-mandefense.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Loppy Lutz is the only guy who's played man-to-man
in the league for the last 10years.
No one else does.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
They play zone.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Everyone plays zone.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
We'll see what happens this year.
Like I said, when you weresaying that you thought they
were going to trade him, I'mlike, I don't think they're
trading him.
I just don't see it, I justdon't see.
And then, who are you getting?
Who's replacing him at?

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
this point now, it would have been Vakanainen, and
then you would need to get aright shot defenseman to play in
the third pair, which maybeit's Mauro and maybe it's one of
these free agents that fallsthrough the cracks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
He was bad.
He got scratched in Vancouver.
He was a healthy scratch inVancouver.
I know Vancouver had their ownfucking problem.
For him to be healthy, scratchedin Vancouver, whatever?
Again, we're harping over this.
I don't like having to play twodefensemen out of position.

(01:19:28):
You want to play one on theiroff wing, on their off side fine
, but you're telling me thatthey're going to play Schneider
on his off side fine, but you'retelling me that they're going
to play schneider on his offside and possibly play either
vacanin or susie on his off side.
I I don't agree with that.
If you're telling me thatthey're going to play um

(01:19:48):
schneider on his off side andthat morrow's making the team
and that susie's their seventhdefense defenseman, well, that's
a different story.
But that also concerns me aboutthem having to expose Robertson
to waivers.
And if he has a very good camp,I don't know.
They may not do that either way.
So I don't know.
I don't know what they're goingto do to me.

(01:20:10):
I said it to start to start theoff season.
I thought Robertson, he's theseventh defenseman.
I think it's start theoffseason.
I thought Robertson, he's theseventh defenseman.
I think it's his job to lose.
Obviously that was before theMiller trade and before they got
Morrow, and apparently Morrowwas Carolina's best defenseman
prospect.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
He's the top 10 defensive prospect in the league
, forget just Carolina.
He was their second bestprospect overall.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
that guy Nouveau or something like that, was their
top prospect a wing so, allthings considered I mean, we
talked about this on the freeagency show you know you got it
you have to think that, basedoff of everything that, this was
a monumental offer that Druryjust couldn't pass up.

(01:20:58):
This was a great trade.
He has to get credit for this.
I don't think you were gettingthe 26th, because a lot of teams
do not want to give up that26th pick.
But the thing I don'tunderstand, sean, is if they
don't want to give up the 26thpick, which is fine, then put
conditions on it.
Make it top 10 protected, likeCarolina did.
And Sean is, if they don't wantto give up the 26th pick, which
is fine, then put conditions onit.
Make it top 10 protected, likeCarolina did.

(01:21:21):
So you can protect yourself.
But maybe the Rangers insistedon a 26th pick.
So, unless a team has two ofthem, you had no choice.
You had to deal with the teamsthat only had one.
You know, two first-round picksin the 26th round.
Listen, I don't mind trade.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
This is the other thing.
Drury didn't want to tradeTrouba to the East Coast why?
Because he didn't want Troubalighting up one of his players
one day.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
He did anyone but the Blue Jackets.
But he was ready to put Troubaon waiver so he didn't have to
go to Columbus.
He gave Trouba the option.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Trouba picked.
That's right.
He did give him the optionRight and he would have traded
him to Detroit, which was alsoin the conference.
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
I don't think anyone's scared of Keonji Miller
.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
I don't think I don't think as a team we were scared
of him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
You know somebody said that on Johnny's trade
recap show with the DailyFaceoff I think it was his that
obviously if the Rangers aretrading him at the conference
they're not afraid of facing him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
They're not afraid of him.
He's going to stick checksomebody.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
And listen.
Miller might go on to have agreat career.
He just wasn't doing it here.
He's regressed.
And again, who are peopleblaming?
Phil Housley Now Phil Housley'sfault for Keandre Miller's
regression.
Why is it always the coach'sfault when players regress?

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
But then they get zero but.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Sean, they get zero, not just talking about you.
The coaches get zero, creditZero when a player has a career
season Zero.
But when a player regresses,it's the coach's fault I don't
understand an individualplayer's performance.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
I put 95 on the player, five percent on the
coaching.
A team's performance, I put alot more stock in the coaching
than I do not, not then the team.
Obviously it's handed, but it'smore hand in hand, right?
I think listen, like capo caconot producing here was a lot had
a lot to do with capo caco, notnot the rangers.

(01:23:22):
I don't agree with this whole.
Uh, you know this team can'tdevelop a prospect.
What do you like?
These guys all work out ontheir own.
They're at practice, but theminute practice ends they go to
their own.
They go to Ben Prentice fortheir strength and conditioning
in the offseason they go to thisguy for skills?

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Why haven't the Rangers drafted a forward?
They've drafted defensemen thathave succeeded.
They've drafted goaltendersthat have succeeded, have
succeeded.
They drafted goaltenders thathave succeeded.
Why have they not been able todraft the forward that has gone
on to be a Hall of Fame?
They have never drafted a Hallof Fame forward.
Never, never.

(01:24:06):
Over 40 years they've neverdrafted a Hall of Fame forward.
How is that possible?
Not one guy.
I mean you've got to say toyourself at some point, like is
it just coincidence or is it adevelopmental issue?
Is it?
They're just not giving theseguys?

(01:24:26):
Kako should have been in theNHL, play it simple.
He has no business playing inthe NHL.
That first year, I know theteam was bad, but they brought
in Panarin, they brought inTrouba, they brought in Fox,
they brought in all these guysand it just pushed him down the
lineup.
Then you know what he wasn'tplaying.

(01:24:48):
Well, he was what?
A minus 20?
What was he that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
year.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Why is he in the NHL?
Why are you forcing this guy toplay?
Because he's the first?
Are you afraid of embarrassinghim Because he was the second
overall pick?
I just think they did the kidan injustice, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
But again, a lot of it's just how to do with him.
How to do with him.
I also just don't think he hadthe personality to work in new
york.
It's, it's a different animalseattle this year sean he'll put
up.
He'll put up points for alosing team any day of the week
I.
I don't doubt that.
I don't doubt that he'll neverbe a, he'll never be a top

(01:25:30):
player on a winning team no, buthe might play third line and
win a cup god bless he couldhave done that here and I, and
and I would have been fine withthat.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
I thought he played well for us the day before he
would have never, ever let himhere, never would have let him
hurt.
So he would have been.
You know, and again here's mymanny moholtra reference.
You know, man Manny Malhotrawinded up having a 15-year
career but you know, first roundpick was his.
You know, high first round pick, eighth overall, I think I

(01:26:03):
think it was eighth.
Frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Well, maybe, maybe Will Cooley will be the first
first Hall of Famer.
We try.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
And I'll tell you Lafreniere if he has another
down season wow what he's notgoing anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
People are like, oh, it's a make or break year for
him, make or break what he'salready signed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Well, he's signed.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
What's making or breaking well, again now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Now the only the only benefit the rangers have right
now is that, even if he stinksless next year, they don't need
his cap space.
They don't technically need itfor the following season.
Right to get better, to add, tobring in somebody else, unless
the contract start getting outof hand, where we already saw

(01:26:57):
Grand Link at $7 million, so youcould start seeing that trend
where mediocre players aregetting a lot of money.
But unless that startshappening, even if he has a down
year next year, you might beable to ride this out for a
couple of seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
But that's the problem with the fact that
there's no real free agency forthe next two, three years.
The people who make it to thepool are going to get so
overpaid because you're going tohave so many teams lining up to
spend money.
There's not enough talentbecause everyone's being
retained by their own teams, andthat's what we're going to

(01:27:36):
continue to see until itbalances itself out in a couple
of years.
Let's be honest Is the capgoing to go up $10 million every
year, or are they playingcatch-up?
Because it was a flat cap fiveyears?
I can't see the cap going up 10million dollars.

(01:27:57):
Everybody.
We're gonna have a 200 milliondollar cap in uh, in 15 years.
I can't see that.
I don't know.
So I think it'll eventuallylevel.
How?

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
long.
How long is the cba for now?
Four years and they've alreadyprojected out that it's going to
be what it is.
How could they do that withouta CBA?
How could they project?

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
the cap?
Is it just based off ofrevenues?
It's based off of revenues.
It's a 50-50 split Strictly outof all revenue 50-50 split
based on revenues Okay, sothey're projecting what the
revenues are going out, right,and they're conservative
projections Right, so they canalways change.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
You know, based on conservative projections.
They're not like the end of therainbow projections.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Right, well, the TV money is already guaranteed.
Right, those are contracts, sothey and that's a large part of
the revenues is the TV money thefour nations brings in money.
Players get that the Olympicsis now going to bring them in
money.
Players get that this is allfactored into hockey revenue.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Yeah, I guess again, where they're going to stand
going into next season is goingto be all contingent on what
free agents are signed, whatthey do with Panarin and what
they do moving forward, and thenmaybe somebody shakes loose,
maybe they're going to have tobite the bullet and make a
fucking hockey trade for once intheir fucking lives.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
On Twitter.
There's a handle that goes byHockey of Rumors or whatever.
There's a ton of followers.
Yeah, I saw that.
He's hearing from GMs that theythink a lot of, a lot of moves,
a lot of trades are going tohappen within the next week.
I saw that.
I heard that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
So we'll see if he's full of shit or not.
I've heard Brian Rust is stillon the market.
You know, the problem is theRangers aren't a player for any
of these guys unless they'reprepared to move on from
somebody that hurts, and I don'tthink they're just prepared for
that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Or if Soucy's moved His $3 million is the only $3
million that really opens up.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
That is honestly the only player they can move.
And then you've got to replacethe defenseman.
And then you're banking onMorrow, you're giving him a spot
, you're essentially telling himall right, you're on the team.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
I don't think they'll do that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
I don't think they'll do that either.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
I think that they would go out and find a veteran
for a million and a half dollarsin a trade trade, a draft pick
or a prospect to get somebody.
Who are they?
Trading Again who are you?

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
trading Susie for A draft pick.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
Yeah, you would just be clearing salary.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
But there's no reason for them to do that right now,
unless there's a player false tothem that they need.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
If they're trying to make a hockey trade, they need
the cap room to take somebody in.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Oh, I get it.
I get what you're saying, butagain they would still have to
reply yeah, what hockey trade orwhat player are you getting
that?
You need three and a half $3.25million, because what do they
have right now?
700,000?
That's with a full 23-manroster.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
You want to know what trade I'd do in a heartbeat.
What, nah, what I'd do?
Yeah, I would do it.
What?
Yeah, I would do it.
If Winnipeg starts to realizethat they can't trade, that Kyle
Conner's not going to resign,trade Lafreniere straight up for
him.
Winnipeg would get there, wouldget the certainty of a six-year

(01:31:31):
term deal.
He gets to go back to Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
I don't know how far.
Winnipeg is probably not closeto that.
Again, I'm not trying to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
I'm not in the trying to trade Lafreniere camp.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
What's the age difference?

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
Connor.
So Lafreniere just played hisage 23, and Connor, I think,
just played his age 28.
It's a five-year age difference.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Well, I can just say this it would be a ballsy move,
which I don't think he has thestomach, to trade Lafreniere.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
So he's Kyle Connors' December 96th birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
I don't think Drury has the stomach to trade
Lafreniere.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
Wasn't his draft pick .

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
I don't care, I just think that that might be a Dolan
thing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
At some point it won't matter, like that 2021.
Five-year difference.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
That's something to think about.
What do you think about thisIsaac Howard guy?
What's?

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
the deal.
I thought that he was signedalready.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Would you trade Laffey for Brian Brian Trottier
Boehm-Byram is that who you'retalking about?

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
It's got to be Byram.
No, I would not traderam.
No, I would not trade that theyneed forwards.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
They honestly need a top 6 forward and another
defenseman.
To me, to feel good about thisteam going into next season that
I think they can win achampionship, I think they need
another defenseman and anothertop six forward.
And then you slide someone elsedown.
That's just me.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
Oh, the only move that they would do, if that were
the case, would Sabanajad wouldhave to go back to center and
you're acquiring a wing, orunless you're acquiring another
center, and then which?

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
you're not.
That's why they re-signedParson.
I'm almost convinced that's whyhe was re-signed, because I
think he's gonna play wing well,no but that or that, and the
fact that they just can't.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
There's no centers out there, right, that also
never say never got sevenmillion dollars for three years
they have so much tradeammunition for this, so they had
they jury played this the rightway, because if they're good
which they should be he's gotall the trade ammo in the world
to make all the moves he wantsat the deadline, and if they're

(01:34:01):
not good, he's got picks.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
They're in the picks and there's a possibility
they're in the lottery.
How crazy would that be?
But you know what, though?
They would fuck up this guy too, it wouldn't matter, god, he's
going to go to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
You've already seen it he's going to Pittsburgh.
Sean, I'm off my words.
He's going to Pittsburgh.
He's going to live with SidneyCrosby for the first two years,
just like Crosby lived with.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Lemieux, because we haven't been haunted enough by C
crosby for the last 15 yearsthat this fucking kid is going
to go to pittsburgh at least itwasn't our draft pick to
pittsburgh.
I just want him out.
If he's this good, please go tothe western conference.
I don't care where you play inthe west playing, play in

(01:34:53):
Anaheim, play in Calgary, playin Edmonton, play with McDavid,
play with McDavid and Dreisaitl.
Just please do not come to theEastern Conference.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Before we wrap up the show, there's just one question
I want to ask you on a seriousnote, and it's not nearly as
far-fetched as I think peoplewill think that it is would you
want Crosby to be a ranger?
Yes, what percentage do youthink that it could happen?

(01:35:27):
Zero, you think zero WithSullivan as our coach?
Without Sullivan, I would agreezero.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
I think he would have the Rangers would have to be
really good one.
They would have to be alegitimate cup contender to say,
okay, I want to go there.
One, two.
I just think that it would takea lot for him to come here.
I just don't think they're goodenough.

(01:35:55):
I just don't think they're goodenough to get him For him to
want to come here.
He's going to pick.
If he leaves, he's going to getto pick where he wants to play.
You don't think he wants to bethe.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
He leaves, he's going to get to pick where he wants
to play you don't think he wantsto be the guy where he goes,
though do you think he wants totake a back seat?
So everyone's like, oh, he'sgoing to go to colorado.
That's nate mckinnon's team Idon't know this stage in his
career, I mean I see, I see he'sgreat enough that I don't think
he buys this stage in hiscareer.
He knows he's still a top twoor three center in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
I just don't think he thinks the Rangers are close
enough.
How many years does he haveleft in his deal?

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Two years Two, I think two 8.7 million for a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
They'll figure it out .

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Listen, I guess You're trading both first-round
picks this year and a secondround next year to get him 50%
retained.
Obviously, take Susie back.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Oh man, it's something to think about.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
I mean honestly, I would move hell and high water
to get him here I think you'vegot to make sure that you're at
least making the playoffs.
Oh, that goes without saying.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Yeah, I wouldn't.
I mean, you have to make surethat you're in a good place.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
No, I'm not saying that I would do this in the
stage that they were in whenthey got Miller this year.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
I think the Rays are in a holding pattern.
I think they don't know what toexpect coming into the season.
That's my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
I don't think so, because they went and got
Gavrikov.
I still don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
He didn't cost them any assets.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
I don't think they're giving up any assets.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
I don't think they're giving up any assets, unless
they think for sure that theycould.
I mean, listen if I'm Panarin.
They just traded.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
Keonji Miller.
They just traded a big asset oftheirs.
Well, if I've been arianakeonji miller, they just traded
a big asset of theirs well,because they didn't think this
guy was.
They don't want to give along-term contract?

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
okay, but they could have done status quo for and
then traded him at the deadline.
Oh yeah, I guess they couldhave.
But man, oh man, could youimagine that?
Oh, but they made, they made.
You know that that actually madehim getting rid of him and I I
don't know if we touched on this.
Getting rid of him gave me aglimmer of hope because,
honestly, when I kind of feltlike they were going to, they're
just kind of running it backagain, I was like you gotta be

(01:38:16):
kidding me that we're doing thisagain.
How are we doing this again?
And in some ways, we really arenot really.
Sean, the team that you sawthat lost to Pittsburgh is the
same team that's starting nextseason, because Kreider was not
in that game now you're reallygoing to go make me look at the

(01:38:38):
he might have been in that gamewas the Four Nations.
No, the trade deadline was afterthe Four Nations, right?
Yes, so he might have been inthat game when did he get hurt
scheduling results?
He played in the four nationsprider.
He played in the four nations,so he might have.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
The rangers lineup from that game was borgen,
brudzinski, caracoli, fox, zachjones is gone.
Prider's gone, uh-huh.
Lafreniere lindgren's gone.
Keonji Fryder's gone.
Lafreniere Lindgren's gone.
Keiondre Miller's gone.
Riley Smith is gone.
Jimmy Vesey's gone.
It's almost A third of theroster's changed over from that

(01:39:19):
game.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
I'm thinking that game is.
You know what I was thinking?
That game was later on in theseason.
I keep thinking that game wasafter the Four Nations.
It was before.
It doesn't matter, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
11 out of the 18 skaters willbe back, so it's 7 out of 18
gone just from February.
It's a lot of turnover.
I'm not counting Bruddzinskibecause, yeah, I think
Brodzinski might be part of theroster, but not as not a player.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
He might be the 13th forward.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
That's what I'm saying.
He might be the 13th forward orhe might be back in Hartford.
Yeah, Listen again, I hope.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
I'm wrong, we'd love nothing more than to be proven
wrong, and I want them to dowell next year.
I can't sit through anotherseason, sean.
I barely watched any games thisyear.
I couldn't watch them.
They were unwatchable,unwatchable, unwatchable,

(01:40:26):
unwatchable.
This year, no effort, nourgency, just you know, I don't
want you to even call it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
That was so bad, unwatchable sydney crosby had 91
points last year, god blesswell, that's what gives you hope
that maybe panarin can playbetter.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
It could play up to that level, going into his late
30s.
You know he's going to be 34this year.
You figure he came into theleague late.
Crosby I mean Crosby also hadbreaks because of his concussion
issues.
Not really.
He never really lost a lot oftime Did he lose one full season
to a?

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
concussion no, really Played every year.
I always thought the same thing, too.
When I look back at it We'vetalked about this already no,
when he was 24,.
The 11-12 season, when he was24, he only played 22 games.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
That was the season then.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Right, and then he only played 36 games the next
season.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
So maybe that's what it was.
He didn't come back until maybelike the last 36 games of the
following season, so he didreally lose a full season, but
just not Of games played.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Yeah, so he had a stretch where it was 41, 22, and
36.
So he had two big concussions.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Yeah, so he lost out on a season and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
Yeah, and he still managed to put up like 190
points in those games.
That's insane, that was likeLindros.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Lindros would score 100 points in 60 games.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
But then he's been as durable as can be ever since.
Yeah, he has been, which iscrazy.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
God bless him though.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Because it's not like he changed his style, it's not
like he stopped going to the net.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
Well, and then Trouba took him out of the playoffs.
Yeah you know, like you said alot of things need to break your
way to win a championship, butthat's everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
No, I know that, I'm just saying that I'm just saying
.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
I know that.
I'm just saying.
It just goes to show you ourhardest, and you and I've
watched every range ofdocumentary about the 94 cup.
If you think about one hit.
One thing here, one thing there.
We could be looking at acompletely different thing
nathan lafayette baby right,exactly, you know, nathan
lafayette, I mean there.
You know my toe and all theother things.
You know what if my toe,instead of deciding to wrap

(01:42:51):
around you, decided to come outfrom behind the net and try to
feed somebody in the slot?

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
You try and feed Buka boom for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Yeah, god.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
It's, but that's it.
There's a.
You said it's a bounce one wayor the other.
That Florida again.
I know you don't see it thatway.
I don't, because you could sithere and say it was the
goaltenders, even though Bob wasgreat.
I mean Bob is a first ballotHall of Famer.
There's no questions about it.

(01:43:20):
There's no question about it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
Meanwhile he couldn't play for the Flyers man.
Talk about not being able todevelop anything, look at the
Flyers and their goaltendingUnbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
But the Rangers were a bounce here and a bounce there
, away from beating Florida inthat series.
As much as you can sit thereand say that they were outplayed
or they were this or that,listen, they call Forsling for a
fucking trip on Kako asregulation was about to end.

(01:43:55):
What was that?
Game 4?
Yeah, could be a differentoutcome.
My man, it's a call here, it'sa bounce, it's this, it's that,
and sometimes it's how lucky.
Are you the luckier team?
It's the way the bounce goes.
I this, it's that, andsometimes it's how lucky, you
know, are you the luckier team?

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
It's the way the bounce goes.
I guess Maybe we'll get lucky.
But you know you're starting toget.
Guys, sean, are starting tocreep on the wrong side of 30.
They're starting to creeptowards that 35-year-old.
I mean, you only got so muchtime left.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
And you just signed your goalie, who's going to be
30 to eight more years.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
No, I'm not saying you're not going to go for it.
You have no choice now.
Now you just got to keepdoubling down and doubling down
and doubling down.
You have to, but that's whyit's essential that some of
these young players hit.
You got to infuse somethinginto this lineup.
You can't just keep rolling out30-something-year-old players.
At some point the Millers andthe Zbigniews they're going to

(01:44:51):
have to maybe take less of arole.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
They got five more years.
Man, I know, but those two guysare here for five more years.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Maybe at some point, millers, maybe he's not on your
top power play.
You don't already know Trochek?
They're dying to put Trochek onthe third line.
He's not a second line center.
I mean me personally.
You know what I mean.
It's a different coach, the lastcoach played him 22 minutes a
night last year 100%, then makehim a matchup guy, match him up

(01:45:25):
against the other team's betterplayers.
The question is, rad radish canplay.
He's a solid defensive playerwho we have to see what the
other third, who have the thirdwing, would be move.
Make it back to center, movemiller, move jt miller to center
, put the three of them down themiddle and go to war but then I
think you need another top sixplayer exactly you still needed
another.
no, if I'm saying, if you'regoing to do that, well, at least

(01:45:48):
you have a deeper lineup then,oh, the lineup lengthens out big
time.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Yeah, you send those three centers up against anyone
in a seven-game series.
Who's matching up against that?
So?

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
what's easier to get then a center or a winger, a
winger?
Well, there you go.
I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
I honestly think, I think it's a deadline move or a
Perot forces his way into thelineup or it's a mid-season
thing, kind of like what Hagelindid in 12.
Perot's out there, apoint-of-game player in Hartford
, 30 games in.
They may want to see that.

(01:46:26):
But again, they have all themay want to see that.
But, like, again, they have allthe, all the draft capital to
trade at the deadline.
Right, and I'm sure that that'swhere they'll get their wing
and we're in a good spot.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Listen, they're in a good spot.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
I got to clip that.
We are in a good spot.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
Yeah, they're in a good spot, moving forward
because, you're right, they dohave the draft capital and they
also have cap space.
They're going to finally show,they're going to finally have
cap space next offseason.
This here has been cap strappedfor five years where they
haven't been able to do shitNothing.

(01:47:03):
Why do they have to roll itback every goddamn year?
So they're going to actually beable to do something.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
They'll have the money.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
But they'll also have some assets.
They have assets and they gotcap space.
So if Jason Robertson doesn'tresign and they can work out
something, they have the capspace to play around with now
and they have the assets.
They have a Perot.
They have the cap space to playaround with now and they have
the assets, they have a Perot.
They have an EJ Emery, theyhave a, you know, an Offman or a

(01:47:37):
Berard or someone like that.
They have players that can move.
So we'll see what happens.
Do you think we're going to doany more shows this summer, or
you think this is it?

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
I'll do a show.
I also want to do a show withStevenson.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
I want to talk to him about some of the drafted
players, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
There's no point in touching on this.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
The kid Barnwell really intrigues me.
Giant player, big shot from thepoint, very intrigued by him.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
We'll do two seconds on that and then we'll wrap up
the show Spence.
All right, so they don't haveMalcolm Spence in here yet.
Can I get to?

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
I saw something where them get drafting Spence and
adding Morrow moved them upeight slots in their prospect
ranking.

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
That's why I don't go by stuff like that.
I think that's ridiculous.
I mean they're both big ads.
But put it this way If theRangers had a first-round pick
this year and not a second-roundpick, and they took Malcolm
Spence in the first round, itwouldn't have moved the needle.
It's only getting attentionbecause of where we got him.
It's the value that we got.

(01:48:59):
We got someone.
So for anyone who hasn't paidattention to Steve Corneanos'
stuff, if you don't subscribe toit, when Steve Corneanos put
out his draft guide, he hadMalcolm Spence 12th overall.
It's not like he did ateam-by-team draft and, hey,
he's going to go the 12th pick.
He ranked him as his 12th bestplayer in the draft and we got

(01:49:23):
him at 43.
Sean Barnhill again someonethat he had higher.
Don Char he had higher.
Michael Erickson our fourthround pick he had much higher.
He had Erickson around 50.
We got him at one, 11.
Wow.
So those first.
You know those first five picksthat we had this year he loved.

(01:49:45):
So we'll see you know if theypan out.
You don't know, but if we'relooking at just juries drafts,
it's done very well.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Yeah from just a value standpoint, you and I, you
and I talked about one of them.
Um, which draft was it?
The 20, the lafreniere?

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
draft.
Right well, that wasn't hisdraft.
That was okay, still all right.
What was the draft?
That's a huge draft.
That was the 20, the lafrenieredraft right well, that wasn't
his draft.
That was okay, still all right.
What was the?

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
draft.
That's a huge draft.
That was the draft where theygot it was lafreniere, schneider
, cooley, rempe, barard, barardand garand and garand all could,
all should be in a long timeeither.
Those guys were in lineup andthat was out of seven draft
picks.
They hit on five guys.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
Eight draft picks.
Eight draft picks I'm sorry,two ones.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
Who didn't?

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
make it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
Who didn't hit?

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
Oliver Tornstrom and Evan Verling.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
And Oliver Tornstrom was a third-round pick, if I'm
correct, right, yes, 92.
And Verling was a third-roundpick, if I'm correct right, yes,
92.
And Vierling was a fourth-roundpick, fifth Fifth-round pick.
So I mean that's, I mean you,and I sent you that and I said
what was the last draft?
And I didn't get to go throughit and I will.
What was the last time theRangers had a draft with five
players from the same draft withthe lineup?

(01:51:05):
And I think, if you look at thedraft before, I think edson was
in that draft and someone elsethat played for them, and I
can't I'm blanking on who thetaco robertson robertson, I said
you had the, so there is adistinct possibility that next
season you could have seven guysthat were from two separate

(01:51:27):
drafts playing in your lineup.
Seven guys.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
Now the two drafts that I look at with Drury real
quick.
The 22 draft I think Sikoraplays in the league, right, I
think McConnell Barker plays inthe league, never a star, but as
like a third fourth-wing guy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
I haven't heard much out of him recently.
I hope so.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
Noah Laba is extremely intriguing to me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Correct.
I think he's high on a lot ofpeople's lists, right now
Mancini's already in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
Great Barbashev, we liked what he profiled, as We'll
see if he ever makes it.
I don't know what his deal isright now.
I don't know if he's evenselling Islander's.
Got him Islander's on him.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, and Zach Karp is a bigcenter, you know maybe he takes
some time.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
He's another one, that's still.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
So he might make it Mancini's playing 15 years in
the league.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
You can write that one down, or maybe not 15,
because he came up a littleolder At least 10 years in the
league, but Sikora, Lava andMancini are three really good
prospects that they drafted andthey had no first-round pick
that year either, and I meanlook what they were able to turn
into.
So maybe the development part,maybe the drafting and
development part's a little bitoverblown because they've missed

(01:52:44):
on their top, top players.
They've missed on their top,top players, their top, I mean
Kratsov bust, anderson bust, youknow Kako, which again relative
bust Bust, but not I mean Kako.
You can't get mad at them, forbecause he was the, everybody

(01:53:07):
was going to take him at thatpoint, every single, every team
in the league would have takenhim.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
you can't get mad at them, for because he was the,
everybody was going to take himat that point.
So every single, every team inthe league would have taken him.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
So when I will not like any and it's again.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
This was the loaded draft and I'm sorry this is a
two player draft and we took thesecond player because if the
Rangers wound up with Kirby, docor Bowen, byram or Turcotte,
yeah, you know, dylan Cousins,we we have a nice secret at this
point is his.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
His stock is dropped A lot.
It was a few years ago A lotwhen they get a second and a
third for him.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
Something like that, but it's dropped a lot.
Yeah, the other draft is thePerot draft which we're going to
start to see over the next year.
You know draft is the perotdraft which we're going to start
to see over the next year.
You know what type of jump doesthis draft take?
Right, because right off thetop, perot and fortescue I think
is it fortescue or fortescue,fortescue.
He seems like just a guy.

(01:53:59):
He guy's gonna play 10 years inthe league defensive defenseman
.
That and and rubric ledhartford in scoring in goals
last year.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
Yeah, it was a six-round pick in that draft.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
Someone had one of the rankings, had Rubrik as the
I saw that that boy, steven, hadhim at seven or six or seven.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
No, no, no, he had him higher.
Someone had him higher, sodon't have him in the top five.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
Wow, I mean, he might very well be that he's a center
, he's a center.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
He's a center.
At some point you've got todraft the fucking center of the
place.
I mean, we thought Jay Grooband Korsak were going to be the
guy.
They're gone.
We thought Donald Barker, wethought Hedl was going to be the
guy, and Anderson for thatmatter.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Listen, we drafted JT Miller, and when he wins two
cups as a Ranger and goes to theHall of Fame, the argument will
be over.
Yeah, we'll see what happens.
They drafted a Hall of Famer,yep, all right.
Anything else you want to dobefore we wrap up.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
No, no, let's reconvene, let's try to get
Steve on and we'll talk moreabout the draft and we'll get
his opinion on the team and thestate of the roster and whatnot,
and it'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
Sounds good, all right.
Talk to you guys soon Later.

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