March 23, 2025 • 60 mins
Tonight on 2 POGs Save the World, KJ, and Lance dive into one of the most heated debates in America—where does the law truly stand on illegal border crossings, and how do different administrations handle enforcement? Then, we break down the hypocrisy in how Democrats and Republicans respond to outspoken members of Congress—why do some get a free pass while others are vilified? Plus, we tackle the broader fight for free speech in today’s political landscape. Join us for unfiltered takes, common sense discussions, and a few laughs along the way.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What do you want to do tonight?
The same thing we do everynight, Pinky Try to take over
the world.
All right, yo, let's get intoit.
Try to take over the world.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You're preaching freedom.
Try to take over the world.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And bring Chaplin in the world.
Try to take in the world MrLance O'Neal, trying to take
over the world.
What up, what up, what up, whatup, what up?
World, we are back.
It's another Sunday and we arelive and in full effect.
It's your boy, kj Bradley, andthe greatest chaplain in the
world.
(00:44):
What up, chappie?
How you doing, man?
Good, how are you?
I am in the middle of Quinceyera season and it was no
Birthdays for classmates everyother weekend, so I am exhausted
.
But I am here and we are live.
Let's get it going, man.
This is going to be a very,very lightning quick episode, as
(01:11):
I stated, because we literallyjust got in from another
birthday party, so we still haveto do school preparations and
everything over on our end.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
You've got to teach your kids not to like other kids
.
It makes it easier.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, I know man.
I have this social butterflywho's just a friend with
everybody in the classroom.
She gets all the invites.
At seven years old it'sdevastating if she doesn't
attend every birthday party.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Oh yes, they invited me, not realizing that everybody
in the class was given aninvitation, my wife and I are
being run ragged.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But, I mean it's great.
The networking is great,Meeting the other parents we got
.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
We were fortunate this year to be in a really
great classroom and to meet somereally awesome parents so far.
So I think I was a bad parent.
I couldn't name like three,three parents that I grew up
with.
Oh, you know, the moving aroundthing has a big part of that.
Yeah, you know that.
Once you get settled, yeah,once then that's you know.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Fortunate for us being here a couple of years now
and and growing soft roots hashelped out tremendously.
All right, man, we are here, weare on the clock, let's go.
What do you got?
What, as the great Cody Roselikes to say and I hate to steal
his line, but I got to.
What do you want to talk about?
I spent all week at the at thestate house this week down in
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Carolina, so that was an amazingexperience.
So I didn't get a chance tocheck in locally or at least
find out what's going on, newswise with what's going on, but
everything.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I've heard it's been a really, really tumultuous week
, as usual, but you know nothingspecial, but but I I want to
read something here, yeah goahead On OK Quote.
This is from the New York TimesQuote, and I'm going to leave
out who they are Chose anunelected technocrat with deep
(03:12):
experience in financial marketsto replace blank as party leader
and the country's leader.
Okay, so, an unelectedtechnocrat with deep experience
in financial markets.
I don't want to hear Canada sayanother damn word about Trump
(03:35):
when you just with your liberalparty.
Just again, that that's thedescription for the New York
Times is an unelected technocratwith deep experience in
financial markets.
That might be the funniestthing I've read.
Yeah, he's the new primeminister.
His name is Mark McCarney.
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He's 59.
He steered the Bank of Canadathrough the 08 global financial
crisis and the Bank of Englandthrough Brexit.
Who has never been elected tooffice, won a leadership race on
Sunday against his friend andformer finance minister,
christina Freeland.
He won a Wow I know I'm justreading.
He won a stunning eighty fivepoint nine percent of the votes
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cast by the Liberal Partymembers and and more than
150,000 people voted, accordingto the party leaders.
Wow, people, 56%.
And then apparently he'sexpected to call snap elections
pretty quickly.
He said so.
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Americans should make nomistake.
In trade, as in hockey, canadawill win.
Taking a shot at the hockeyteam.
Okay, cool, anytime you want totake on any of our baseball
teams or football teams or evensoccer teams.
Well, actually Canada haspretty decent soccer.
But no, it's interesting, hedoesn't hold a seat in
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Parliament and he is expected tocall federal election soon
after being sworn in.
In those elections he'll faceoff with Pierre Oliver, the
leader of the Conservative Party.
So that'll be interesting tosee what happens.
I do think there's some.
I understand their governmentsystem in canada and the uk is
different.
I do like that snap electionscan happen, um, and they're in
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those countries.
I, I think they're.
I I wish we had a system.
I know in certain states, likewith governor, like california,
you can do a recall election.
You can do something, um,because I think in 22, when
people started seeing biden uhstart to really degrade, uh, I
think I think that would havebeen a good time for a snap
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election.
I think you could see in thenext who knows, next year or two
.
So let's say you know you saidtrump's chaos is either going to
be.
Let's say you know you saidtrump's chaos is either going to
be cleansing for america or thefire is coming right.
So let's say, a year, 18 monthsfrom now, the us might be in a
position where they're like, hey, you know what we need to.
We need to cut our losses andmove on, and we can't because
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it's a four-year cycle.
Uh, so I, I there are parts ofme that I think there are
benefits from elections.
I think canada is going to bereally interesting.
Um, our friend and buddy, gregeasterbrook, wrote an article
about beware of canada becomingthe 51st state and he was going
over a lot of the politics incanada that they're fairly
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left-leaning.
I was a bit surprised.
I didn't.
I didn't think that they'refairly left-leaning.
I was a bit surprised.
I didn't think that they wereas left-leaning as he seemed to
say.
But I am not a Canada expert byany stretch of the imagination.
I've never set foot in thecountry.
So he was talking about howCanada, I believe, would be the
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if Canada became.
Now, remember, canada is notbecoming the 51st state, they're
just not.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
That would be a huge state.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, it would be the third largest in population,
behind California and Texas, Ibelieve, and that's it.
But then the House.
So California would lose like10 members of the House, texas
would lose four.
So it's not like the littleones are going to lose, it's
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going to be the big ones.
So you've got two senators.
Let's say that splits oneconservative, one Republican.
I'm sorry, yeah, because thosearen't the same thing actually.
Maybe I just had a break.
One conservative, one Republican, let's say one blue one red,
but he seemed to feel that itwould go fairly blue for Canada,
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which was a bit surprising.
Yeah, outside of Quebec,because you'd probably vote to
say we're out.
Outside of Quebec, because youprobably vote to say we're out.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Most of their provinces are fairly
liberal-leaning.
I don't know the names of alltheir provinces offhand, but I
know, most of them tend to lean.
Now, when I say liberal, I meantraditional liberal, not, not,
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not, you know, not like that,yeah, not not.
Extreme lefty, crazy left,crazy leftist liberal.
I mean traditional liberalvalues, you know universal
income, health care, yeah basicstuff.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Basic stuff New Mexico, not Oregon.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, thereyou go.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, that's a perfect way to put it, because
you got to be careful with thoseterms.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, and that's you know, and that's the thing.
Who knows how it would go?
But it's a pipe dream.
I saw another one that wasreally interesting this week.
There's a push I don't knowwhere this comes from a push to
let puerto rico, uh,independence.
Um, I know they've had somevotes on it and they have voted
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to stay with the us multipletimes, but the number it said
something like the uS would save$640 billion by letting Puerto
Rico off the rolls, as it were,leaving the United States and
becoming independent.
I was surprised by that number.
That seemed a bit crazy to me.
(09:37):
Now, ultimately, here's thething I think Puerto Rico is in
a situation where, if they wantto become an independent, they
should become an independentBecause, you ask, most Americans
and Americans are not alwaysmost educated but you see,
people go oh, puerto Ricans,they're not even Americans,
they're American citizens theminute they're born.
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Puerto Rico is a, is aprotectorate, and so, or a
territory, whatever word youwant to use.
So if you're born in puertorico, you become a us citizen.
I'm I'm curious what the currentpolling would be with trump in
office what puerto rico would,how puerto rico would vote at
this point well it came.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It came up through conservative circles.
I remember early 2000s, it wasum toward the end of the
Gingrich years.
It was the free Puerto Rico,because they kept voting blue
and it pissed a lot ofconservatives off.
And then it just kind of likeyou know every, every now and
again, you'll hear it flare up,but nothing really serious came
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out of it.
So it wouldn't surprise me thatit's flaring up now, with all
the rhetoric going on.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
It doesn't really matter, because Puerto Rico
literally doesn't have anyrepresentation.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, it's not really something that Puerto Rico is
outright champion themselves.
But it's always been one ofthose things like, hey, where
can we save and where can we cut?
And they've always been, youknow, on the chopping blocks.
They've always been been a, Iguess, a conservative pipe dream
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like hey, you know they don'thelp us, they don't help our
cause anyway.
So we can, you know, cut sling,load and let them be.
You know, but I mean a lot ofit too is the same way with the
DR, right?
Like I'm saying, the DR can cutties as far as the subsidies
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and whatever we provide for theDR.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, but the Dominican Republic is an
independent country.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, they're independent in terms of
subsidies and providingassistance and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, that's foreign, yeah, but that's straight
foreign aid.
It's a little bit differentwhen you actually have
contractual obligations.
Let's put it like that.
Yeah, I just it's interesting.
I think a lot of this stuff is.
It's kind of like when TrumpOkay, I'm going to go back to my
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old old the media.
You know, okay, I'm gonna go,I'm gonna go back to my old old,
which is the media.
You know, um, I I read anarticle on the times that was
talking about how rubio wascaught off guard by what trump
said during his uh, it's not astate of the union, but his
speech last week and he said,hey, but if it all goes badly,
well, we can all blame MarcoRubio.
And it was funny because themedia was like oh, did you see
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that Trump took a shot at Rubio?
And I'm like that was Trumpjoking on his guy.
That wasn't anything againstRubio, that was actually just
kind of having a little fun,goodness forbid.
And that's when the Trumpderangement syndrome comes into
play, where it's like you guys,not everything is.
How do you think that's literalwhen he says I'm going to make
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Canada the 51st state, like ifyou're taking any of this here,
and honestly I think the wholeCanada 51st state.
The only reason it got as muchplay as it did is because
Trudeau reacted the way he did.
Got as much play as it did isbecause trudeau reacted the way
he did.
I think trump kind of did it asa, as a joke, and then you know
so immediately trudeau oh, howdare you.
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And what was the next thing?
Trump goes, okay, governor.
Yeah, I mean, come on and thereit took off from there.
trump's really good at just kindof poking people and I think I
think that's part of hispersonality.
Would it be nice if it was alittle more playful manner that
he did it?
Sure, but I think in generalthat's what he does.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I think at this point , yeah, trump is who he is, it's
just Sure.
You just gotta weather thestorm with that guy.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
It's not really Meanwhile.
I don't think he was doing thatwith Zelensky.
I think he was genuinely prettyticked off at Zelensky and I
think the more you see what'sgoing on with Zelensky, you
start to kind of understand why.
Now you can clearly say and I'msure you do you and our always
First Sergeant Jackson both sayyou know, it didn't matter what
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was said, you don't act likethat in front of the cameras
with a world leader got it.
Um, at the same time I thinktrump has kind of had it with
zielinski going look, you're onagain, off again.
You wanted to have a deal, youdon't want to have a deal, you
want to.
You're going to sign themineral rights, you don't.
You won't sign the mineralrights.
Uh, you know you have thispress conference and you get
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pissed off at us.
So you go to England and yousay, fine, I'm going to go to my
girlfriend over in England andwe're going to be best friends.
But then England's like yeah,well, you know, you want these
shiny diamond ring and I can'tafford to give you the presents
that you want.
I said they come back and sayoh, okay, fine, let's get
hitched.
And he goes oh no, no, I'm notsure I want to do that again.
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So Zielinski has, I think, beenvery flaky and at the very
least, I think what has happened, zielinski has, I think, been
very flaky.
And who's that awesome soundingguy?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
No, that was you.
I got you in the echo I had to.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I know, I knew it was me, yeah, but I just think that
, zelensky, there's so muchgoing on with the world right
now, right, okay.
So we could, literally justright now.
Let me bring up a fourth one,and we are 15 minutes in.
So we've had Canada, we've hadPuerto Rico, we've had Ukraine,
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and we haven't even talked aboutwhat's going on in Syria which
could qualify.
I mean, if you say we are goingto kill all Christians in the
country, does that not count asa genocide?
Because right now, that iswhat's going on in Syria.
The US basically backed and said, okay, we're not going to back
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Assad because he's a bad dude.
So we're going to back anothergroup that is moderate, even
though they've never claimed tobe moderate.
They are ISIS-levelfundamentalists and we've backed
them.
And now, when they get in power, they start rounding up
Christians and digging massgraves and putting people in.
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So, yeah, we we have not donewell with our who we pick, and
certainly we are not backing amoderate in what's going on in
Syria, and it's reallyinteresting to see the lack of
coverage not backing a moderatein what's going on in Syria, and
it's really interesting to seethe lack of coverage.
Again, the New York Times.
You're not going to see a wholelot on the New York Times, at
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least not that I've seen.
Right now.
The biggest headline for theNew York Times on Syria is, and.
It says Syria's interimpresident calls for unity amid
fresh fighting.
More than 1,000 people havebeen killed in clashes in the
coastal provinces of Syria,according to one monitoring
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group.
And again that's going in.
They say clashes, that's peopletrying not to get killed
because of their religion.
That's not clashes.
That's hey, leave us alone anddon't kill us just because we're
Christian.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
It's kind of the same thing.
Just walk the dog with me.
You have your guy in Israel,netanyahu, who essentially says
hey, for the protection ofIsrael, we're going to wipe out
everything and everybody Hamas.
In order to do that.
We're going to wipe outeverything and everybody Hamas.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Right, and in order to do that, we're going to clear
out.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Gaza and we got to clear out all the Muslims.
We got to clear everybody out,right?
So one man's Christianity isanother man's, you know, muslim.
So if we're, if we're OK withwiping out Hamas and all the
Muslims and clearing out Israeland being okay with backing
Netanyahu, we can't then turnaround and say, hey, syria,
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you're wrong for you know,wanting to wipe out all the
Christians in your country.
Well, at least that's just howI see it.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well, and, by the way , the violence and I read the
story a little bit more and Iread the story a little bit more
the violence is actuallybetween those that are backing
the new guy, ahmed al-Assad, andthose that were actually loyal
to Bashar al-Assad.
So that's the newest fighting.
That's not the Christians, butthe Christians are getting
killed.
I think the difference there,when you, when you say that with
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Gaza versus Israel, I do thinkthose are apples and oranges,
because the Christian minorityin Syria are not lobbing bombs
at the government offices,they're not going in and killing
the.
You've had terror attacks goingin from Gaza into Israel.
So I think there are some verydifferent things.
I think now you can argue, youcan say what you want, whether
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it's overkill or whatever.
I personally I'm a big fan ofthe of the book Ender's Game and
Ender.
If you don't know the story,ender, when he's about six years
old, he has this monitor takingout where they could see what
Ender was seeing and everythingright.
So as soon as it's out, thesethree bullies and again this is
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like first grade, kindergarten,first grade these three bullies
go to attack Ender becausethey're like oh, now you don't
have your monitor.
Go to attack Ender becausethey're like oh, now you don't
have your monitor, you're notprotected anymore.
And so Ender basically callsout the leader of the group.
He's like hey, oh, you call mea small little third.
And here's you with two of yourfriends.
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I thought I was just nothing,but you're just going to beat me
up, you need your friends totake.
So he uses that on him and thebully's like, okay, fine.
And ender comes in and, full-on,just kicks the kid right
between the balls and you picksomething up and it hits him on
the ground.
And then, or no, he, he hitshim on the head and knocks him
down and the other two back up.
And then he steps back and hefull-on, kicks him, uh, kicks
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him in the head or something.
And so later on, uh, whenthey're trying to figure out, do
we need this kid?
They go to him and the, theadult, says to him Andrew, I
need to know, I know about thefight.
I need to know.
You had him down and he wasdefenseless.
I need to know why you, youkicked him a final time.
And here's the six year old kidand he says and here's the
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six-year-old kid, he says,knocking him down the first time
, stopped that fight, hittinghim while he was down, stopped
all the other fights, becausethe friends he's like, if you
guys ever come after me, I'mgoing to do this to you too,
right?
So that was the mentality.
The entire book and series ishim saying look, do everything
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you can to avoid a fight, butwhen you fight, you dominate and
you make it so the other guycan't come back.
And Israel kind of has thatmentality of, look, we can only
take so much.
And there's a point where youguys have been launching these
rockets, you kidnap our guysthis and that.
And finally, now you know theOctober, what did Hamas think
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was going to happen with October7th attack?
Did they think Israel was justgoing to come in and you know,
shoot a couple of bullets andleave and remember they still
have hostages.
And at this point they'returning over hostages, dead
babies in coffins, and paradingthem down the street.
I personally don't have a lotof sympathy for Hamas.
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I have sympathy for the Gazanand the those that did not want
this and don't support Hamas andwant to have that peace,
because there certainly areArabs that want that, but as far
as the Hamas government, theydon't.
It's in their charter that partof their goal is to destroy
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Israel and that Israel doesn'thave the right.
That's Hamas, israel I'm sorryHamas, hezbollah, iran.
You and I talked about this.
You said you wouldn't talk withIran and give them any
advantages.
We were talking about howHesketh went in and told cyber
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to stop doing attacks on cyberoffensive on, yeah, stop doing
offensive attacks against Russia, right.
And you said, well, you know if, if Iran said they were going
to leave Israel alone, you stilldon't do that.
And I was like, yeah, we cansee that.
And I said, yeah, no, you do dothat, because the whole point
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of of Israel, their biggestthreat, is Iran itself.
And if it means you don't dooffensive attacks against Israel
, well, or I mean, I'm sorry,against Iran, what offensive
attacks do you need against Iran?
Well, you're worried abouttheir nuclear, you're worried
about their gas production,you're worried about their
Raptors that are sneaking inbehind them.
And I like how he was so sneakyas he went through.
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That was great.
But like, if they agree, andthey said you know what, ok, we,
israel, we're done with Israel,israel can be their own thing.
Well, that takes probably 80percent of our reason to be
against Iran away, because Iranis not going to strike the
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United States in any significantway.
They'll, they'll pick, andunless they do something like
they did in Beirut and kill 250Marines or whatever the exact
number was, the US is kind ofgoing to go.
Cool if we could get NorthKorea to leave South Korea alone
, if we could get Iran to leaveIsrael alone, and then right now
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, kind of the front page one isif we could get Russia to leave
Ukraine alone.
Those are all great, butthere's always stuff like that
Are you going to get the NorthSudanese to leave the South
Sudanese alone?
Are you going to get theMuslims in Syria to leave the
Christians alone?
I'll take the win each timethat you can get it.
And if the only thing the US.
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So ultimately and this is what Isaid, because we don't know
what's going on with Russia andsometimes what Russia wants and
what the US wants that they haveto line up the US wants to stop
giving money to Ukraine, russiawants the US to stop giving
money to Ukraine, right,sometimes that lines up and to
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me I don't know what this is,because we're not being told
this, nor should we be, but ifpart of the deal, if Putin says
to Trump if you guys are seriousabout us having a ceasefire and
about us ending this war, youkeep attacking us by cyber.
We're now, we know it'sbullshit, but we're not doing
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anything to you it's.
It's not us, it's our littleand we will stop our.
We'll try to see what we can doto stop her and I don't know
what's changed on their side.
But if that's the case, maybethat's a piece of the puzzle,
Maybe that's part of how we stopwhat's going on in Ukraine.
But you're not going to, evensomehow.
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Even peace in Ukraine isn'tmaking everybody happy.
The prime minister of it wasn'tHolland, it was next door
Belgium.
The prime minister of Belgiumlast week said peace in Ukraine
is potentially more dangerousthan the war continuing.
For who?
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Not for the soldiers on theground, not for the people on
both sides getting shot.
You and I, we can disagree withRussia.
We can disagree with Ukraine.
We can disagree with thepolitics.
You and I are both soldiers.
We don't want fellow soldiers,on whichever side, to be killed
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if they don't need to be.
That is the respect soldiershave for each other.
The only time I want a soldierdead is if he's pointing a gun
at me and I pull the triggerfirst.
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
And so there's so much going on.
And with Trump, what's toughwith Trump and it's not a
defense thing, it's his ownhubris has gotten in the way,
because and again you know we'vetalked about this a lot
campaign trail versus the realgoverning.
When he says I'm going to stopthe Ukraine war on day one, why?
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Why say that Because you'reTrump, I get it.
But if he had just said, saidstopping my first day in office
the first thing I'm gonna do isI'm gonna, I'm gonna focus on
how to stop the ukraine russianwar.
That is, that is day.
That is a day when I have Ihave these things all laid out.
I'm gonna sign executive ordersto wipe out the other executive
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order, blah, blah, blah,whatever they are.
But instead of saying I'm gonnastop it on day one, dude,
that's like saying I'm gonna putsomebody on the moon tomorrow.
You can't, you don't have, youdon't have literally the power
to do that.
You could threaten right now.
Trump could threaten literallyright now.
He could call Putin up and sayif you don't sign a peace treaty
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and you don't pull out ofUkraine, the United States will
start bombing you tomorrow.
That's not going to end the warunless Putin decides.
It is Because Putin just aseasily can go.
You know, mr President, I havethis red button here too.
I don't have two keys, I've gotone button.
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So do what you must, but I dowhat I want to do, you know.
So, as much as Trump has thatblather and that's part of it is
why's why people voted for himtoo.
It's also what gets him introuble with people who are not
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MAGA and people who say, okay,well you're, I see this a lot.
Did you vote for this?
Is this what you voted for?
And I say yeah.
A lot of people say, yeah, thisis exactly what I voted for.
The problem is, you can saythis is what I voted for, but
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you can't, at the same time, sayand I saw one of the press
secretaries, I don't rememberwhich Brunette, pretty girl, I
don't know.
She was talking, a pretty womanand I don't know who she was.
She was the spokesman for, butshe's either.
She's one of them, she's one ofthe press secretaries.
And she said that's one thingthat people like about president
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Trump he does exactly what hesays.
And it's like yeah, but youcan't pick and choose.
You can't if he says I'm goingto do these and he did.
I'm going to do these 50 thingsand I'm going to do these and
he did.
I'm going to do these 50 thingsand I'm going to do them all on
day one.
And let's say, he did 20 ofthem.
Great, okay, cool, he followedthrough.
He did exactly what he.
I'm going to be moretransparent.
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Yep, you have been.
You have more press conferencesin your first 60 days, or six
weeks than Biden had in his fullfour years.
I'm going to cut the prices ofthis or I'm going to do this
Energy, okay, cool.
But you can't say he doeseverything that he says he's
going to do.
When he said 50 things and he'sdone 20 of them, because 30 of
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them haven't been done, and youcan say, well, that's his, it's
out of his power, well then youdon't say it, you don't push for
things that aren't in yourpower.
Shutting down the border Ithink he's done a great job.
There's lots you know.
Again, jackson said you knowwhat has Trump done that you
(29:50):
like?
And I had a whole list on myFacebook.
Shutting the border was one ofthem.
But declaring energy, I thinkyou know.
Right now, gas, for me at least, is down probably 40 to 50
cents, but I mean it flexed, itflexed, it goes up and down.
The ag crisis, I think, is abit ridiculous because of the
bird flu stuff.
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But there are things that Ireally appreciate that he's done
.
But some of the stuff I don'tappreciate is, again, not when
you promise things that youdon't have the power to do and
then you're getting cheers forit.
Now you cut off President Trump.
I give him credit.
(30:30):
He said he wanted to stop themoney flowing to Ukraine Awesome
, I'm with it.
He said he wanted to stop themoney flowing to Ukraine Awesome
, I'm with it.
But part of the problem that wesee is this thinking of if we
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don't spend this is me, this isa fiscal conservative, versus, I
think, the moderate or even theleft.
They say, ok, well, if we don't, if we don't send 50 billion
dollars to Ukraine this year,then where can we spend it?
Where can we put it?
Who are we going to spend it?
On what special project?
And, as a fiscal conservative, Isay no, not sending 50 billion
dollars to Ukraine means notspending 50 billion dollars at
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all.
Don't spend it.
We are so far in debt.
Unless you are going to, likeyou and I have talked about,
unless you're going to basicallyrewrite all of your loan
agreements with the Fed, you'regoing to audit the Fed.
You might as well just startpencil whipping the debt.
You might as well at this point.
Unless you're going to getserious about it and take the
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savings and when, a couple weeksago, they were talking about
all the Doge savings are goingto give checks back to the
American people no, I understand.
You're buying votes at thatpoint, got it, don't, don't.
It's no different.
Look, it's no different thanBiden promising the Cutting the
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student loans, doing this andthis.
And I'll be up front, Ibenefited from that student loan
, that's a little different.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Because the way that differs, just for clarity, the
way that differs is the guysthat were doing the student
loans were charging outrageousinterest, so they had paid back
the principal.
Most of the people who gotreleased had already paid back
the principal, but what was whatwas excused was the enormous
amounts of interest that thecompanies were collecting on
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that debt.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
So Right, but I mean the big part, though, though.
It still was just a matter ofhey, we're, we're giving you
debt, really, right, so it'sfine, yeah yeah, which is, which
is I mean but that, but thatthat part matters, though.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So, like like, there's a difference between I'm
gonna give you fifteen hundreddollars of money that's gonna
die, you know yeah that thatgoing to under the premise of
we're saving money knowing thatit's essentially just a bribe to
make you feel good knowing thatmidterms are coming up, as
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opposed to somebody saying hey,we're not going to allow these
banks to basically railroad youwith these enormous interest
fees.
We're going to forgive theseinterest fees and get you on a
faster track, as long as you payback the principal.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
So at the same time I mean at the same time if you
take out, nobody forced you totake the loans out.
So there you know, there's forme.
I'll tell you this.
For me, the way, the reason Ibenefited from it was what's
supposed to happen is, if youpay for 120 months, which is 10
years, and you're in agovernment service, if you're
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military or firefighter, yourpolice officer, whatever if
you've made 10 years worth ofpayments, whatever's left is
supposed to be written off.
And when I filed for it, theywent well no, you had a
different type of loan.
It's like what do you mean?
I had a different type of loan.
It's a student loan, isn't it?
So they were kind of screwingme over with the technicalities
(34:03):
of it.
So I finally, when this camethrough, I went okay, I'm not
getting bought.
To me it's like that was thepromise you guys made as far as
years ago.
I think Obama was originallyone of the companies that came
out with that deal, butultimately I don't think again.
We should be spending money ina lot of ways Now.
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The other thing is this isanother argument that people
don't quite understand on theright Foreign aid.
People look at foreign aid andthey say, oh, it's just a waste.
We shouldn't be spending anymoney to anybody else.
Okay, well, one the left willsay you know, most of our
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foreign aid or the largestdollar sign goes to israel.
So how come they get it?
And to me.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I say well, because they're the only democracy in
the entire middle east and andthey're basically.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
You know they're on their own, they're on an island.
But whether you believe that ornot, I will say as far as
foreign aid goes I don't knowwhat the number is anymore, but
it used to be we gave Pakistanabout $10 billion a year in
foreign aid and people gotreally mad when it turned out
Osama bin Laden was hiding in acompound in Pakistan.
(35:16):
Gosh, that was over 10 yearsago now right, that was like 10,
12 years ago.
People started freaking out.
They said, well, if Pakistanknew that Osama bin Laden was in
our country, why are we sendingthem $10 billion a year when
they didn't tell us?
And I'm sitting there going,you guys.
The reason we send $10 billiona year when they didn't tell us
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and I'm sitting there going, youguys.
The reason we said $10 billion ayear to Pakistan is so that
they don't launch nuclearweapons against India.
That's basically it.
You don't blow up India andstart World War III.
We'll give you some money, justdon't do it.
And Pakistan goes.
Okay, we could use $10 billiona year.
That would really help oureconomy.
That'll keep our peoplerelatively happy.
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That keeps our stuff going andIndia is going.
Yeah, ok, you're going to givethem 10 billion dollars to not
fire a nuclear weapon on them?
Cool, we appreciate that.
Don't keep that going, becauseotherwise you know that's a
significant problem, becauseotherwise you know that's a
significant problem.
So there are certain thingsthat we essentially, with our
foreign aid, we are buyingfavors with our foreign aid in
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general, and it's not just we'renot getting something for
nothing.
In most cases there's no, don'tget me wrong, there are.
There's lots of reasons thatforeign aid could be reduced,
lots of places it could bereduced.
(36:50):
You and I have talked aboutUSAID.
A lot of actually appreciate,to some degree, trump pulling in
the reins and saying, all right, we need to stop taking care of
everybody else.
I know people look at theAmerica first statement and say,
well, that's what Hitler said.
He said Germany first.
You guys, I would hope that,honestly, every country,
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especially when it comes toespionage, every country looks
at themselves and says we're themost important country in the
world.
Whatever anybody else does,it's self-defense.
I don't care what anybody elsesays, as long as I'm taken care
of.
Think China cares about anybodyelse.
No, china wants best for China.
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North Korea wants best forNorth Korea.
Madagascar wants what's bestfor Madagascar.
You know you could go acrossthe board.
You know you can even go in theUS.
You don't think that Utah wantsbest, what's best for Utah, and
they're like, hey, we don'twant.
That's one of the bigfrustrations in Utah.
(37:54):
So many people have moved fromCalifornia, brought far leaning,
far left politics, especiallyinto Salt Lake and they're going
we don't want this.
Well, how do you do that whenyou have population that
throughout?
Uh, basically take a marker, gofrom from northern California
on the west coast and draw aline straight down and everybody
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on the east is basically aconservative and everybody on
the West Coast and draw a linestraight down and everybody on
the East is basically aconservative and everybody on
the coast is a liberal.
And there's so many people inSan Francisco, la and San Diego
that the people in Fresno don'tget a say on anything.
That's got to piss you off.
But just like I say withanything else, you don't like it
, you can move from California.
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You can move to Texas, you canleave.
If you don't like what's goingon, go somewhere else.
You know we like Georgia.
We may end up back in Salt Lake.
There's a lot of things aboutSalt Lake right now politically
that I'm not a big fan of.
But does that?
Where does family and job andwhere does it all balance out?
So you know you haveopportunities.
(38:57):
Like you said, you're in a.
You have soft roots right now.
When is when is your PCSlooking?
You know you're in a situationas a spouse where you're like we
could get PCS this summer ornext winter or the winter after
that and we don't have anycontrol over where we go.
You could end up in Nebraska, inSouth Dakota, in anywhere.
(39:20):
Now you're with Army, right?
No, she's Air Force, she's Army.
She's Army.
Okay, for some reason I wasthinking, because you guys are
on Air Force, but again youcould get stuck somewhere you
just don't want to be and theArmy says needs the Army?
(39:40):
Hold tight, that's where you'regoing.
Yep, so sorry, that was a lotof ramble there.
Ultimately, most people havethe opportunity to move where
they want and all that.
But going all the way back, Ido think, even what we kind of
started with with Syria, I thinkthe Christians in Syria need to
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be protected a little bit morethan they are, a lot more than
they are.
I think, the Ukrainians thebest protection the Ukrainians
could have would be to come tothe peace table.
Canada hey look, canada's havingelections.
It's going to be reallyinteresting to see what happens
with Canada in the next coupleof months.
I don't know.
I'm curious because they didnot like what Trudeau has been
(40:27):
doing, especially, I think, eventhough it's a war of words with
Trump, and I think they, ofcourse, are going to back any
Canadian over Trump.
It doesn't matter If there's aforeign leader that I think is
getting over on Biden.
I'm still going to supportBiden because I want my country
to be the best country.
I'm not going to be backingwhoever over Biden, especially
(40:52):
if I think it's going to hurtthe US.
Yeah, california, I think it'sgoing to hurt the US.
Yeah, california.
I think California is reallyall the way since since Reagan
left, it's is when it kind of,but it's had some Republican,
it's had some Republicansgovernor since then.
But the state and thelegislature have gone pretty far
left and I don't think ArnoldSchwarzenwarzenegger, although a
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republican, was anything near aconservative.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
So I think the, the republican I mean the state
legislature was mostlyrepublican as well too, so it's
kind of back in the day?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
yeah, back in the day .
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It went back and forth, yeah, but now it's kind
of like all right, like yeah,it's cliche to blame one another
.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I'm saying it's biblical.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I'd be curious about the House.
I saw a post the other daywhere Massey I don't know if
you've been following Massey.
I was a fan of Masseybeforehand because he's one of
the few true conservatives leftin Congress who are just, you
know, like he's.
He's a Republican, no doubt,but he is a fiscal conservative,
(42:08):
like traditional fiscalconservative Right, and during
the speech he sent out a sentout a tweet, which was really
fun.
He said Congress is standing upcheering for Doge cuts that
(42:28):
were approved by Congress.
And he's like, and it's just,it's just the irony in it all.
And you know how I feel.
You know how I feel about aboutCongress in general and how it's
just a cesspool of justgrifters who are just in there
to get rich and they can givetwo shits about legislating
(42:51):
anything for the republic,legislating anything for for the
republic, um, and it's just,it's.
It's a breath of fresh air tosee a guy like massey come up
and say, hey look, man, we'reall for this right, and now
you're starting to see morerepublicans kind of do a soft
pushback.
I wish the leadership would bemore honest, um, about what's
going on, um, but I've come torealize that with the blue team
(43:15):
in shambles.
They don't know which way is upright now.
They're just dog and pony showand they're just a big shit show
, to be honest with you and thered team is.
They're so afraid of Elon'smoney they don't know how to
speak on their own that it'sjust going to be a mess, and the
(43:36):
only people that are going tosuffer for it is going to be the
American populace, and thatjust really pisses me off even
more.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well and that's why I go back to the need for a 28th
Amendment that Congress willpass no law from which they are
exempt.
Why is Congress not?
Why are they exempt from SECinsider trading?
Speaker 1 (43:56):
They won't.
That's that's got.
So I figured this out and I'vewargamed this you can get the
28th pass without congressionalapproval, but it's going to take
two thirds of the state.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, congress, yeah, a constitution.
Oh my gosh, what's it called.
Oh my gosh, what's it called.
Once again, my old brain momentconstitutional Congress.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, but the problem is well not the problem, I
guess, in this revolutionaryadministration.
If you will and you have arepublic that is more than two
thirds Republican governorshipright now, it can easily pass,
and I think you'll even haveDemocratic governors who support
the amendment if it were to bepresented.
(44:46):
However, I don't believe thisadministration is genuine about
making change.
I think they're about makingchange, but they're about
changing the way they can fattentheir pocket and soften the
landing spot for their ventures,which is cool.
I mean, every administrationtries to take care of their
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people, but this is going to bemore painful.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
One thing I will push back on that.
I think people have made thispoint more eloquently than me.
If Trump really was in thisjust for the money, he didn't
need to run again.
45, 47 doesn't make any moremoney than 45 and 47.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
No 47 ran for president to avoid the 38
felonies he was facing.
We can war game it all day long, but had Trump not won the
presidency, he'd be in jail.
He was facing 38 felonies andthen he had more coming from the
(45:56):
report.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
I think SCOTUS would have thrown him out.
I don't know when you look atwhat they were, they were
basically again paying yourlawyer to do his job.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
There's no way, scotus would be able to clear 30
plus felonies without it havingdamage to the reputation of the
Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
The 30 odd felonies?
Ok, first of all is a?
Was a very purposeful reasondone that way to make it 34
felonies, or I think it wasAbsolutely so.
Here's what I mean by that.
So 34 felonies, okay.
So he basically sent a monthlycheck to his lawyer to Cohen, I
(46:53):
think is who it was sends acheck to his lawyer and then I
think is who it was sends acheck to his lawyer and then he
in his ledger, his accountingledger, says this is what I paid
it for.
So now, every single month hedoes that for, let's say, 11
months.
Sure, so each felony was.
He signed the check, he wrotethe ledger amount in his
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bookkeeping and then he handedthe check to his lawyer.
So all three of those wereseparate felonies.
11 months, so 11 times that's33.
The New York state legislaturehad to go back and turn that
into a felony.
(47:39):
They had to vote to turn thatinto a felony because the check
stuff that he was doing, if itwas illegal, first of all was a
misdemeanor, and then they hadto go back and retroactively
make it a felony andretroactively extend the statute
of limitations.
So this whole idea that he wentin to avoid it.
Okay, if you say that.
(47:59):
Well then, new york went in andthey changed the rules on him
to begin with.
Now him paying stormy daniels soeven stormy daniels changed her
story right.
She went from yeah, I was, Iwas a prost prosecutor,
basically all of that.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
All of that sounds great, but you're gonna tell me
a guy facing 88 different courtcases across the nation and 34
felonies for that one incident,for that one incident, 34 for
one incident, 88 overall, andyou're telling me all 88 all 88
were were just some madconspiracy.
No, no, no, no, not no no, nono no, no, that's not what I'm
(48:38):
saying.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
What I'm saying is in that case because here's the
other side of it Did Trumpcreate, did, did?
Did Trump create fraud becauseof Trump University?
Was it Trump or was it peopleunderneath him?
Right now, trump can how much?
How responsible is Trump forand I'm just generalizing
(49:00):
because I don't know the detailsof Trump university, okay, Just
to be real, he may haveabsolutely been in on the whole
thing, right?
So Trump university, yeah, verydifferent.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
I have to country wanted him to be president,
that's that's well, even withwhat it was that's about.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
But set that aside.
Okay, If you remember, therewas a lot of pushback a few
years ago against for-profituniversities.
Sure, that were basicallygiving out degrees.
You know, degree mills, Degreemills those got shut down.
(49:42):
And what Trump did?
Trump?
my understanding is Trumpbasically said hey, come to my
seminars, trump University, youlearn how to sell like a boss,
be a salesman like a boss, right?
And some people liked it, somepeople didn't, some people.
And so they turned around, theysued him and said, hey, this is
bogus, I didn't get what mymoney's worth.
And the court said yep, thatwas not what was promised.
(50:06):
You promised this.
And so there was a fine paidand all that stuff.
Was it criminal?
He wasn't found guilty ofcriminality.
Criminal he was wasn't foundguilty of criminality.
It was fraud, uh, businessfraud, and he had to make
restitution that way.
So for the 88 charges, I don'tknow if those were legitimate
felonies.
I don't know if those werelegitimate misdemeanors I don't
(50:28):
know, because, again, I look ata lot of this and I also see
stuff and read stuff that says,like you say, he ran for 47 to
avoid being prosecuted for thesethings.
Well, the other argument is hewas prosecuted for these things
(50:49):
to keep him from running to be47.
Could be.
Yeah, I agree, could be.
So you've got a chicken and eggsituation, right, yep?
So, and regardless of all that,trump is the president, he's in
there, he's, at the very least,he's stirred the pot and I
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think the people yeah, you'llagree with that right.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Anyway, yeah, sure.
Now I think the averageAmerican, if you not average,
the average Trump voter, if yousaid to the up the suit and it's
(51:58):
going to really hurt the swamp,the money that's going to be
saved for the country is goingto be somewhere between 500
billion and a trillion dollars.
Oh my god.
Well, this is this.
That's the argument right thatis.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
That is, that is extremely optimistic all right,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
I'm just kind of making the argument I got to go
ahead, but because and this iswhy I say 500 to a trillion
right, I got, but because of himdoing that at the same time
he's going to turn around andenrich his own bank account by
$10 billion.
I think the average MAGA wouldsay, well, he's earned it, would
(52:39):
say well, he's earned it If hecan save $50 billion but his
personal income goes up by $10billion because of it.
Fair trade.
Now you, knowing you, and Iknow you, you'll say I don't
give a shit what he saves If heincreases by a dollar more than
he's entitled to.
(53:00):
That's graft, grift, grift,grift, grift, grift.
Yes, grift, grift, grift.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Grift, grift, yes.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Grift, grift.
Yes, he's grafted, he's grafted.
Sorry, I messed myself up and Iunderstand that point of it as
well.
Right, I am very much a look.
If there's a law, the law isthe law, and if he's doing
something now, I'm also lost thelaw.
It's not a coulda shoulda,woulda sure.
When the military says stufflike, well, you should have
(53:27):
known, is it in the regulations?
Well, no, but you should haveknown, then you're wrong.
Put it in the regulations, or Idon't give a crap, I can do it
right.
Um, and I think is a pointwhere, let me rephrase I hope, I
(53:48):
hope that what's going on inDoge and in the White House in
terms of trying to make thecountry better through mass
chaos I hope their intent trulyis.
Through mass chaos, let's say,I hope their intent truly is we
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are going to come out on theother side a better country.
The analogy I used with you andKJ was that a lot of people look
at this country as it used tobe the greatest piece of
property, with the greatesthouse on it.
And over however many years,the lawn has stopped being taken
(54:33):
care of, the fence has beenblown down, the weeds have come
up, the paint's been peeling,the power line in the back is
hanging, there's cockroaches inthe house and rats all in the
house and it's all but unlivable.
And so when you go in and youstart cleaning it up, and it
sucks that some of the flowersare going to get pulled up with
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the weeds.
And those are the good peoplethat are trying to do the right
thing and that's tough.
And my cousin actually said,yeah, that's all great, you feel
that way, but what if you'reone of the flowers?
I said, yeah, that sucks.
Trust me, I feel for them.
But as a whole, you got tostart somewhere.
And if you're driving by thathouse, you don't look at that
(55:17):
house and go, gosh, look at thathorrible house.
But boy, there's a couple ofpretty flowers down there, right
along the edge.
You know you say what has gotthis house?
What?
Why have they let this house go?
And Trump at this point and Dogeto me, at least they're coming
in with the weed whackers andthey are.
The very first thing is you'vegot to, you've got to be able to
(55:39):
get to the house.
You know, you got to be able toget to the house and they're
whacking their way through allthe weeds and the overgrown
grass and the lawn and, startingto, they're trying to fix the
fence.
That's a great analogy for theborder.
They've come into the house andthrown the windows open and
they've thrown the doors openand the cockroaches and the rats
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are scattering.
They're not gone, they'rescattering them.
So now the next step will be OK.
Now, what can we focus on?
Now we focus on the littlethings You've got.
You've got four minutes, so youget the last four minutes.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
That's a great analogy, but let me just leave
you with this.
If your intent is to go cleanthe house up, do you go into a
stranger's house without theirpermission and just start
cleaning their shit up, or doyou follow protocol and get
permission from the people whoown the house first?
Do you?
Speaker 2 (56:36):
follow protocol.
He was invited in.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
No, no he was invited in.
He was invited in, right.
But if we were to take thatanalogy, right, I'm going in,
I'm fixing the fence, I'm doingthe yard and stuff, right,
congress?
Right, congress is thefinancial manager of that house,
right?
So if Congress says, hey, wehave no problem with you doing
that.
You know the people want you toclean the house, the
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neighborhood wants you to fixthe house.
We all agree that the house isin disarray.
We champion you fixing thehouse.
The only thing we ask is hey,man, if you're going to spend
some money here or if you'regoing to cut money here, just
let us know.
That should be a reasonable askif you're going to do that type
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of remodeling project.
And I don't see why thereshould be pushback for someone
asking for accountability.
If I am in charge of thecheckbook right given,
regardless of how it works youmay think that I do a horrible
job at managing the account, butif it's my money and I've been
entrusted to manage the financesof this estate, the least you
(57:46):
could do is show me that respectand come in and say hey, man,
look, you're spending way toomuch money here, or I don't
think you're spending enoughmoney here.
We think we can save you moneyif you don't spend money here.
You know what I'm saying.
Why are you paying for agardener who's not coming to
garden the yard?
You've been paying for thisgardener to come fix your yard.
(58:08):
He hasn't shown up in a yearand a half.
We think you can cut thatfunding.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
The pushback there is .
You guys, Congress, you've beeninstrumental in letting this
house get run down For you tocome around and say you don't
like how we're doing is.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
You've been part of the problem for the past 20
years, right, and that's whereguys like Massey come in.
It's not that they're againstwhat they're doing, it's just
saying hey, man, listen, we justwant to see, we're with you,
matter of fact, we're going tosupport you.
Just let us, you know, with you, we, matter of fact, we're
going to support you.
Just let us, you know, we gotyou.
(58:47):
Hey, we understand thatmistakes were made, but show us,
you know what I'm saying and Idon't think that's unreadable.
And before we get up out ofhere yeah, nobody is against
saving money again.
Liberty.
That is a.
That is a media, that is amedia blurb that people take and
run with because it soundsgreat.
Nobody is against.
I've seen, I've seen Democraticand Republican, red and blue
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team come out and say andsupport and champion Doge.
Matter of fact, even when theyset up the Doge caucus, they had
both members of both gangs inthere, both red and blue members
.
The only pushback they've everhad was the accountability.
Hey, we okay.
Hey, you're gonna cut 80,000people from this department.
Great, cool.
You're telling me the reasonyou're doing it is because
(59:28):
you're saving this much money.
Great, show us before you do it.
That's all we're asking for andI don't think that is an
unreasonable ask for the peopleor the representatives that we
elected, or else what's thepoint of having them there?
Speaker 2 (59:47):
Liberty.
I agree with you, but that isnot the major money.
Maybe we need to talk aboutthis next week Because we got a
hard time for KJ.
That is it.
The money is not just ingovernment employees, but that
is absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
That is absolutely not when the money is.
Anyway, we have to be out.
We have to be out of liberty.
This is, this was a quick show.
Hope to see you next week.
For everybody that tuned in,thanks for coming by.
We will see you guys.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
We are out of here.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
If I can get it to work jeez man, what do you want
to do tonight?
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
The same thing we do every night.
Pinky, Try to take over theworld.
All right, yo, let's get intoit.
Try to take over the world.
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
You're preaching freedom.
Try to take over the world.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
And greatest chaplain in the world, mr Lance O'Neill,
take over the world and GeorgeChaplin in the world, mr Lansom
Hill, take over the world.
What do you want to do tonight?
The same thing we do everynight, Pinky Try to take over
the world.
All right, yo, let's get intoit.
Try to take over the world.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You're preaching freedom.
Try to take over the world.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And bring Chaplin in the world.
Try to take in the world MrLance O'Neal, trying to take
over the world.
What up, what up, what up, whatup, what up?
World, we are back.
It's another Sunday and we arelive and in full effect.
It's your boy, kj Bradley, andthe greatest chaplain in the
world.
(00:44):
What up, chappie?
How you doing, man?
Good, how are you?
I am in the middle of Quinceyera season and it was no
Birthdays for classmates everyother weekend, so I am exhausted
.
But I am here and we are live.
Let's get it going, man.
This is going to be a very,very lightning quick episode, as
(01:11):
I stated, because we literallyjust got in from another
birthday party, so we still haveto do school preparations and
everything over on our end.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
You've got to teach your kids not to like other kids
.
It makes it easier.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, I know man.
I have this social butterflywho's just a friend with
everybody in the classroom.
She gets all the invites.
At seven years old it'sdevastating if she doesn't
attend every birthday party.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Oh yes, they invited me, not realizing that everybody
in the class was given aninvitation, my wife and I are
being run ragged.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But, I mean it's great.
The networking is great,Meeting the other parents we got
.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
We were fortunate this year to be in a really
great classroom and to meet somereally awesome parents so far.
So I think I was a bad parent.
I couldn't name like three,three parents that I grew up
with.
Oh, you know, the moving aroundthing has a big part of that.
Yeah, you know that.
Once you get settled, yeah,once then that's you know.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Fortunate for us being here a couple of years now
and and growing soft roots hashelped out tremendously.
All right, man, we are here, weare on the clock, let's go.
What do you got?
What, as the great Cody Roselikes to say and I hate to steal
his line, but I got to.
What do you want to talk about?
I spent all week at the at thestate house this week down in
(02:39):
Carolina, so that was an amazingexperience.
So I didn't get a chance tocheck in locally or at least
find out what's going on, newswise with what's going on, but
everything.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I've heard it's been a really, really tumultuous week
, as usual, but you know nothingspecial, but but I I want to
read something here, yeah goahead On OK Quote.
This is from the New York TimesQuote, and I'm going to leave
out who they are Chose anunelected technocrat with deep
(03:12):
experience in financial marketsto replace blank as party leader
and the country's leader.
Okay, so, an unelectedtechnocrat with deep experience
in financial markets.
I don't want to hear Canada sayanother damn word about Trump
(03:35):
when you just with your liberalparty.
Just again, that that's thedescription for the New York
Times is an unelected technocratwith deep experience in
financial markets.
That might be the funniestthing I've read.
Yeah, he's the new primeminister.
His name is Mark McCarney.
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He's 59.
He steered the Bank of Canadathrough the 08 global financial
crisis and the Bank of Englandthrough Brexit.
Who has never been elected tooffice, won a leadership race on
Sunday against his friend andformer finance minister,
christina Freeland.
He won a Wow I know I'm justreading.
He won a stunning eighty fivepoint nine percent of the votes
(04:22):
cast by the Liberal Partymembers and and more than
150,000 people voted, accordingto the party leaders.
Wow, people, 56%.
And then apparently he'sexpected to call snap elections
pretty quickly.
He said so.
(04:42):
Americans should make nomistake.
In trade, as in hockey, canadawill win.
Taking a shot at the hockeyteam.
Okay, cool, anytime you want totake on any of our baseball
teams or football teams or evensoccer teams.
Well, actually Canada haspretty decent soccer.
But no, it's interesting, hedoesn't hold a seat in
(05:07):
Parliament and he is expected tocall federal election soon
after being sworn in.
In those elections he'll faceoff with Pierre Oliver, the
leader of the Conservative Party.
So that'll be interesting tosee what happens.
I do think there's some.
I understand their governmentsystem in canada and the uk is
different.
I do like that snap electionscan happen, um, and they're in
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those countries.
I, I think they're.
I I wish we had a system.
I know in certain states, likewith governor, like california,
you can do a recall election.
You can do something, um,because I think in 22, when
people started seeing biden uhstart to really degrade, uh, I
think I think that would havebeen a good time for a snap
(05:55):
election.
I think you could see in thenext who knows, next year or two
.
So let's say you know you saidtrump's chaos is either going to
be.
Let's say you know you saidtrump's chaos is either going to
be cleansing for america or thefire is coming right.
So let's say, a year, 18 monthsfrom now, the us might be in a
position where they're like, hey, you know what we need to.
We need to cut our losses andmove on, and we can't because
(06:19):
it's a four-year cycle.
Uh, so I, I there are parts ofme that I think there are
benefits from elections.
I think canada is going to bereally interesting.
Um, our friend and buddy, gregeasterbrook, wrote an article
about beware of canada becomingthe 51st state and he was going
over a lot of the politics incanada that they're fairly
(06:42):
left-leaning.
I was a bit surprised.
I didn't.
I didn't think that they'refairly left-leaning.
I was a bit surprised.
I didn't think that they wereas left-leaning as he seemed to
say.
But I am not a Canada expert byany stretch of the imagination.
I've never set foot in thecountry.
So he was talking about howCanada, I believe, would be the
(07:07):
if Canada became.
Now, remember, canada is notbecoming the 51st state, they're
just not.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
That would be a huge state.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, it would be the third largest in population,
behind California and Texas, Ibelieve, and that's it.
But then the House.
So California would lose like10 members of the House, texas
would lose four.
So it's not like the littleones are going to lose, it's
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going to be the big ones.
So you've got two senators.
Let's say that splits oneconservative, one Republican.
I'm sorry, yeah, because thosearen't the same thing actually.
Maybe I just had a break.
One conservative, one Republican, let's say one blue one red,
but he seemed to feel that itwould go fairly blue for Canada,
(07:57):
which was a bit surprising.
Yeah, outside of Quebec,because you'd probably vote to
say we're out.
Outside of Quebec, because youprobably vote to say we're out.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Most of their provinces are fairly
liberal-leaning.
I don't know the names of alltheir provinces offhand, but I
know, most of them tend to lean.
Now, when I say liberal, I meantraditional liberal, not, not,
(08:27):
not, you know, not like that,yeah, not not.
Extreme lefty, crazy left,crazy leftist liberal.
I mean traditional liberalvalues, you know universal
income, health care, yeah basicstuff.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Basic stuff New Mexico, not Oregon.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, thereyou go.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, that's a perfect way to put it, because
you got to be careful with thoseterms.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, and that's you know, and that's the thing.
Who knows how it would go?
But it's a pipe dream.
I saw another one that wasreally interesting this week.
There's a push I don't knowwhere this comes from a push to
let puerto rico, uh,independence.
Um, I know they've had somevotes on it and they have voted
(09:15):
to stay with the us multipletimes, but the number it said
something like the uS would save$640 billion by letting Puerto
Rico off the rolls, as it were,leaving the United States and
becoming independent.
I was surprised by that number.
That seemed a bit crazy to me.
(09:37):
Now, ultimately, here's thething I think Puerto Rico is in
a situation where, if they wantto become an independent, they
should become an independentBecause, you ask, most Americans
and Americans are not alwaysmost educated but you see,
people go oh, puerto Ricans,they're not even Americans,
they're American citizens theminute they're born.
(09:58):
Puerto Rico is a, is aprotectorate, and so, or a
territory, whatever word youwant to use.
So if you're born in puertorico, you become a us citizen.
I'm I'm curious what the currentpolling would be with trump in
office what puerto rico would,how puerto rico would vote at
this point well it came.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It came up through conservative circles.
I remember early 2000s, it wasum toward the end of the
Gingrich years.
It was the free Puerto Rico,because they kept voting blue
and it pissed a lot ofconservatives off.
And then it just kind of likeyou know every, every now and
again, you'll hear it flare up,but nothing really serious came
(10:38):
out of it.
So it wouldn't surprise me thatit's flaring up now, with all
the rhetoric going on.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
It doesn't really matter, because Puerto Rico
literally doesn't have anyrepresentation.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, it's not really something that Puerto Rico is
outright champion themselves.
But it's always been one ofthose things like, hey, where
can we save and where can we cut?
And they've always been, youknow, on the chopping blocks.
They've always been been a, Iguess, a conservative pipe dream
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like hey, you know they don'thelp us, they don't help our
cause anyway.
So we can, you know, cut sling,load and let them be.
You know, but I mean a lot ofit too is the same way with the
DR, right?
Like I'm saying, the DR can cutties as far as the subsidies
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and whatever we provide for theDR.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, but the Dominican Republic is an
independent country.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, they're independent in terms of
subsidies and providingassistance and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, that's foreign, yeah, but that's straight
foreign aid.
It's a little bit differentwhen you actually have
contractual obligations.
Let's put it like that.
Yeah, I just it's interesting.
I think a lot of this stuff is.
It's kind of like when TrumpOkay, I'm going to go back to my
(12:03):
old old the media.
You know, okay, I'm gonna go,I'm gonna go back to my old old,
which is the media.
You know, um, I I read anarticle on the times that was
talking about how rubio wascaught off guard by what trump
said during his uh, it's not astate of the union, but his
speech last week and he said,hey, but if it all goes badly,
well, we can all blame MarcoRubio.
And it was funny because themedia was like oh, did you see
(12:28):
that Trump took a shot at Rubio?
And I'm like that was Trumpjoking on his guy.
That wasn't anything againstRubio, that was actually just
kind of having a little fun,goodness forbid.
And that's when the Trumpderangement syndrome comes into
play, where it's like you guys,not everything is.
How do you think that's literalwhen he says I'm going to make
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Canada the 51st state, like ifyou're taking any of this here,
and honestly I think the wholeCanada 51st state.
The only reason it got as muchplay as it did is because
Trudeau reacted the way he did.
Got as much play as it did isbecause trudeau reacted the way
he did.
I think trump kind of did it asa, as a joke, and then you know
so immediately trudeau oh, howdare you.
(13:12):
And what was the next thing?
Trump goes, okay, governor.
Yeah, I mean, come on and thereit took off from there.
trump's really good at just kindof poking people and I think I
think that's part of hispersonality.
Would it be nice if it was alittle more playful manner that
he did it?
Sure, but I think in generalthat's what he does.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I think at this point , yeah, trump is who he is, it's
just Sure.
You just gotta weather thestorm with that guy.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
It's not really Meanwhile.
I don't think he was doing thatwith Zelensky.
I think he was genuinely prettyticked off at Zelensky and I
think the more you see what'sgoing on with Zelensky, you
start to kind of understand why.
Now you can clearly say and I'msure you do you and our always
First Sergeant Jackson both sayyou know, it didn't matter what
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was said, you don't act likethat in front of the cameras
with a world leader got it.
Um, at the same time I thinktrump has kind of had it with
zielinski going look, you're onagain, off again.
You wanted to have a deal, youdon't want to have a deal, you
want to.
You're going to sign themineral rights, you don't.
You won't sign the mineralrights.
Uh, you know you have thispress conference and you get
(14:24):
pissed off at us.
So you go to England and yousay, fine, I'm going to go to my
girlfriend over in England andwe're going to be best friends.
But then England's like yeah,well, you know, you want these
shiny diamond ring and I can'tafford to give you the presents
that you want.
I said they come back and sayoh, okay, fine, let's get
hitched.
And he goes oh no, no, I'm notsure I want to do that again.
(14:46):
So Zielinski has, I think, beenvery flaky and at the very
least, I think what has happened, zielinski has, I think, been
very flaky.
And who's that awesome soundingguy?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
No, that was you.
I got you in the echo I had to.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I know, I knew it was me, yeah, but I just think that
, zelensky, there's so muchgoing on with the world right
now, right, okay.
So we could, literally justright now.
Let me bring up a fourth one,and we are 15 minutes in.
So we've had Canada, we've hadPuerto Rico, we've had Ukraine,
(15:30):
and we haven't even talked aboutwhat's going on in Syria which
could qualify.
I mean, if you say we are goingto kill all Christians in the
country, does that not count asa genocide?
Because right now, that iswhat's going on in Syria.
The US basically backed and said, okay, we're not going to back
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Assad because he's a bad dude.
So we're going to back anothergroup that is moderate, even
though they've never claimed tobe moderate.
They are ISIS-levelfundamentalists and we've backed
them.
And now, when they get in power, they start rounding up
Christians and digging massgraves and putting people in.
(16:12):
So, yeah, we we have not donewell with our who we pick, and
certainly we are not backing amoderate in what's going on in
Syria, and it's reallyinteresting to see the lack of
coverage not backing a moderatein what's going on in Syria, and
it's really interesting to seethe lack of coverage.
Again, the New York Times.
You're not going to see a wholelot on the New York Times, at
(16:32):
least not that I've seen.
Right now.
The biggest headline for theNew York Times on Syria is, and.
It says Syria's interimpresident calls for unity amid
fresh fighting.
More than 1,000 people havebeen killed in clashes in the
coastal provinces of Syria,according to one monitoring
(16:53):
group.
And again that's going in.
They say clashes, that's peopletrying not to get killed
because of their religion.
That's not clashes.
That's hey, leave us alone anddon't kill us just because we're
Christian.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
It's kind of the same thing.
Just walk the dog with me.
You have your guy in Israel,netanyahu, who essentially says
hey, for the protection ofIsrael, we're going to wipe out
everything and everybody Hamas.
In order to do that.
We're going to wipe outeverything and everybody Hamas.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Right, and in order to do that, we're going to clear
out.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Gaza and we got to clear out all the Muslims.
We got to clear everybody out,right?
So one man's Christianity isanother man's, you know, muslim.
So if we're, if we're OK withwiping out Hamas and all the
Muslims and clearing out Israeland being okay with backing
Netanyahu, we can't then turnaround and say, hey, syria,
(17:48):
you're wrong for you know,wanting to wipe out all the
Christians in your country.
Well, at least that's just howI see it.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well, and, by the way , the violence and I read the
story a little bit more and Iread the story a little bit more
the violence is actuallybetween those that are backing
the new guy, ahmed al-Assad, andthose that were actually loyal
to Bashar al-Assad.
So that's the newest fighting.
That's not the Christians, butthe Christians are getting
killed.
I think the difference there,when you, when you say that with
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Gaza versus Israel, I do thinkthose are apples and oranges,
because the Christian minorityin Syria are not lobbing bombs
at the government offices,they're not going in and killing
the.
You've had terror attacks goingin from Gaza into Israel.
So I think there are some verydifferent things.
I think now you can argue, youcan say what you want, whether
(18:57):
it's overkill or whatever.
I personally I'm a big fan ofthe of the book Ender's Game and
Ender.
If you don't know the story,ender, when he's about six years
old, he has this monitor takingout where they could see what
Ender was seeing and everythingright.
So as soon as it's out, thesethree bullies and again this is
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like first grade, kindergarten,first grade these three bullies
go to attack Ender becausethey're like oh, now you don't
have your monitor.
Go to attack Ender becausethey're like oh, now you don't
have your monitor, you're notprotected anymore.
And so Ender basically callsout the leader of the group.
He's like hey, oh, you call mea small little third.
And here's you with two of yourfriends.
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I thought I was just nothing,but you're just going to beat me
up, you need your friends totake.
So he uses that on him and thebully's like, okay, fine.
And ender comes in and, full-on,just kicks the kid right
between the balls and you picksomething up and it hits him on
the ground.
And then, or no, he, he hitshim on the head and knocks him
down and the other two back up.
And then he steps back and hefull-on, kicks him, uh, kicks
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him in the head or something.
And so later on, uh, whenthey're trying to figure out, do
we need this kid?
They go to him and the, theadult, says to him Andrew, I
need to know, I know about thefight.
I need to know.
You had him down and he wasdefenseless.
I need to know why you, youkicked him a final time.
And here's the six year old kidand he says and here's the
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six-year-old kid, he says,knocking him down the first time
, stopped that fight, hittinghim while he was down, stopped
all the other fights, becausethe friends he's like, if you
guys ever come after me, I'mgoing to do this to you too,
right?
So that was the mentality.
The entire book and series ishim saying look, do everything
(20:45):
you can to avoid a fight, butwhen you fight, you dominate and
you make it so the other guycan't come back.
And Israel kind of has thatmentality of, look, we can only
take so much.
And there's a point where youguys have been launching these
rockets, you kidnap our guysthis and that.
And finally, now you know theOctober, what did Hamas think
(21:06):
was going to happen with October7th attack?
Did they think Israel was justgoing to come in and you know,
shoot a couple of bullets andleave and remember they still
have hostages.
And at this point they'returning over hostages, dead
babies in coffins, and paradingthem down the street.
I personally don't have a lotof sympathy for Hamas.
(21:28):
I have sympathy for the Gazanand the those that did not want
this and don't support Hamas andwant to have that peace,
because there certainly areArabs that want that, but as far
as the Hamas government, theydon't.
It's in their charter that partof their goal is to destroy
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Israel and that Israel doesn'thave the right.
That's Hamas, israel I'm sorryHamas, hezbollah, iran.
You and I talked about this.
You said you wouldn't talk withIran and give them any
advantages.
We were talking about howHesketh went in and told cyber
(22:13):
to stop doing attacks on cyberoffensive on, yeah, stop doing
offensive attacks against Russia, right.
And you said, well, you know if, if Iran said they were going
to leave Israel alone, you stilldon't do that.
And I was like, yeah, we cansee that.
And I said, yeah, no, you do dothat, because the whole point
(22:34):
of of Israel, their biggestthreat, is Iran itself.
And if it means you don't dooffensive attacks against Israel
, well, or I mean, I'm sorry,against Iran, what offensive
attacks do you need against Iran?
Well, you're worried abouttheir nuclear, you're worried
about their gas production,you're worried about their
Raptors that are sneaking inbehind them.
And I like how he was so sneakyas he went through.
(22:58):
That was great.
But like, if they agree, andthey said you know what, ok, we,
israel, we're done with Israel,israel can be their own thing.
Well, that takes probably 80percent of our reason to be
against Iran away, because Iranis not going to strike the
(23:18):
United States in any significantway.
They'll, they'll pick, andunless they do something like
they did in Beirut and kill 250Marines or whatever the exact
number was, the US is kind ofgoing to go.
Cool if we could get NorthKorea to leave South Korea alone
, if we could get Iran to leaveIsrael alone, and then right now
(23:41):
, kind of the front page one isif we could get Russia to leave
Ukraine alone.
Those are all great, butthere's always stuff like that
Are you going to get the NorthSudanese to leave the South
Sudanese alone?
Are you going to get theMuslims in Syria to leave the
Christians alone?
I'll take the win each timethat you can get it.
And if the only thing the US.
(24:03):
So ultimately and this is what Isaid, because we don't know
what's going on with Russia andsometimes what Russia wants and
what the US wants that they haveto line up the US wants to stop
giving money to Ukraine, russiawants the US to stop giving
money to Ukraine, right,sometimes that lines up and to
(24:25):
me I don't know what this is,because we're not being told
this, nor should we be, but ifpart of the deal, if Putin says
to Trump if you guys are seriousabout us having a ceasefire and
about us ending this war, youkeep attacking us by cyber.
We're now, we know it'sbullshit, but we're not doing
(24:48):
anything to you it's.
It's not us, it's our littleand we will stop our.
We'll try to see what we can doto stop her and I don't know
what's changed on their side.
But if that's the case, maybethat's a piece of the puzzle,
Maybe that's part of how we stopwhat's going on in Ukraine.
But you're not going to, evensomehow.
(25:09):
Even peace in Ukraine isn'tmaking everybody happy.
The prime minister of it wasn'tHolland, it was next door
Belgium.
The prime minister of Belgiumlast week said peace in Ukraine
is potentially more dangerousthan the war continuing.
For who?
(25:30):
Not for the soldiers on theground, not for the people on
both sides getting shot.
You and I, we can disagree withRussia.
We can disagree with Ukraine.
We can disagree with thepolitics.
You and I are both soldiers.
We don't want fellow soldiers,on whichever side, to be killed
(25:53):
if they don't need to be.
That is the respect soldiershave for each other.
The only time I want a soldierdead is if he's pointing a gun
at me and I pull the triggerfirst.
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
And so there's so much going on.
And with Trump, what's toughwith Trump and it's not a
defense thing, it's his ownhubris has gotten in the way,
because and again you know we'vetalked about this a lot
campaign trail versus the realgoverning.
When he says I'm going to stopthe Ukraine war on day one, why?
(26:32):
Why say that Because you'reTrump, I get it.
But if he had just said, saidstopping my first day in office
the first thing I'm gonna do isI'm gonna, I'm gonna focus on
how to stop the ukraine russianwar.
That is, that is day.
That is a day when I have Ihave these things all laid out.
I'm gonna sign executive ordersto wipe out the other executive
(26:53):
order, blah, blah, blah,whatever they are.
But instead of saying I'm gonnastop it on day one, dude,
that's like saying I'm gonna putsomebody on the moon tomorrow.
You can't, you don't have, youdon't have literally the power
to do that.
You could threaten right now.
Trump could threaten literallyright now.
He could call Putin up and sayif you don't sign a peace treaty
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and you don't pull out ofUkraine, the United States will
start bombing you tomorrow.
That's not going to end the warunless Putin decides.
It is Because Putin just aseasily can go.
You know, mr President, I havethis red button here too.
I don't have two keys, I've gotone button.
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So do what you must, but I dowhat I want to do, you know.
So, as much as Trump has thatblather and that's part of it is
why's why people voted for himtoo.
It's also what gets him introuble with people who are not
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MAGA and people who say, okay,well you're, I see this a lot.
Did you vote for this?
Is this what you voted for?
And I say yeah.
A lot of people say, yeah, thisis exactly what I voted for.
The problem is, you can saythis is what I voted for, but
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you can't, at the same time, sayand I saw one of the press
secretaries, I don't rememberwhich Brunette, pretty girl, I
don't know.
She was talking, a pretty womanand I don't know who she was.
She was the spokesman for, butshe's either.
She's one of them, she's one ofthe press secretaries.
And she said that's one thingthat people like about president
(28:44):
Trump he does exactly what hesays.
And it's like yeah, but youcan't pick and choose.
You can't if he says I'm goingto do these and he did.
I'm going to do these 50 thingsand I'm going to do these and
he did.
I'm going to do these 50 thingsand I'm going to do them all on
day one.
And let's say, he did 20 ofthem.
Great, okay, cool, he followedthrough.
He did exactly what he.
I'm going to be moretransparent.
(29:05):
Yep, you have been.
You have more press conferencesin your first 60 days, or six
weeks than Biden had in his fullfour years.
I'm going to cut the prices ofthis or I'm going to do this
Energy, okay, cool.
But you can't say he doeseverything that he says he's
going to do.
When he said 50 things and he'sdone 20 of them, because 30 of
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them haven't been done, and youcan say, well, that's his, it's
out of his power, well then youdon't say it, you don't push for
things that aren't in yourpower.
Shutting down the border Ithink he's done a great job.
There's lots you know.
Again, jackson said you knowwhat has Trump done that you
(29:50):
like?
And I had a whole list on myFacebook.
Shutting the border was one ofthem.
But declaring energy, I thinkyou know.
Right now, gas, for me at least, is down probably 40 to 50
cents, but I mean it flexed, itflexed, it goes up and down.
The ag crisis, I think, is abit ridiculous because of the
bird flu stuff.
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But there are things that Ireally appreciate that he's done
.
But some of the stuff I don'tappreciate is, again, not when
you promise things that youdon't have the power to do and
then you're getting cheers forit.
Now you cut off President Trump.
I give him credit.
(30:30):
He said he wanted to stop themoney flowing to Ukraine Awesome
, I'm with it.
He said he wanted to stop themoney flowing to Ukraine Awesome
, I'm with it.
But part of the problem that wesee is this thinking of if we
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don't spend this is me, this isa fiscal conservative, versus, I
think, the moderate or even theleft.
They say, ok, well, if we don't, if we don't send 50 billion
dollars to Ukraine this year,then where can we spend it?
Where can we put it?
Who are we going to spend it?
On what special project?
And, as a fiscal conservative, Isay no, not sending 50 billion
dollars to Ukraine means notspending 50 billion dollars at
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all.
Don't spend it.
We are so far in debt.
Unless you are going to, likeyou and I have talked about,
unless you're going to basicallyrewrite all of your loan
agreements with the Fed, you'regoing to audit the Fed.
You might as well just startpencil whipping the debt.
You might as well at this point.
Unless you're going to getserious about it and take the
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savings and when, a couple weeksago, they were talking about
all the Doge savings are goingto give checks back to the
American people no, I understand.
You're buying votes at thatpoint, got it, don't, don't.
It's no different.
Look, it's no different thanBiden promising the Cutting the
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student loans, doing this andthis.
And I'll be up front, Ibenefited from that student loan
, that's a little different.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Because the way that differs, just for clarity, the
way that differs is the guysthat were doing the student
loans were charging outrageousinterest, so they had paid back
the principal.
Most of the people who gotreleased had already paid back
the principal, but what was whatwas excused was the enormous
amounts of interest that thecompanies were collecting on
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that debt.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
So Right, but I mean the big part, though, though.
It still was just a matter ofhey, we're, we're giving you
debt, really, right, so it'sfine, yeah yeah, which is, which
is I mean but that, but thatthat part matters, though.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So, like like, there's a difference between I'm
gonna give you fifteen hundreddollars of money that's gonna
die, you know yeah that thatgoing to under the premise of
we're saving money knowing thatit's essentially just a bribe to
make you feel good knowing thatmidterms are coming up, as
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opposed to somebody saying hey,we're not going to allow these
banks to basically railroad youwith these enormous interest
fees.
We're going to forgive theseinterest fees and get you on a
faster track, as long as you payback the principal.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
So at the same time I mean at the same time if you
take out, nobody forced you totake the loans out.
So there you know, there's forme.
I'll tell you this.
For me, the way, the reason Ibenefited from it was what's
supposed to happen is, if youpay for 120 months, which is 10
years, and you're in agovernment service, if you're
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military or firefighter, yourpolice officer, whatever if
you've made 10 years worth ofpayments, whatever's left is
supposed to be written off.
And when I filed for it, theywent well no, you had a
different type of loan.
It's like what do you mean?
I had a different type of loan.
It's a student loan, isn't it?
So they were kind of screwingme over with the technicalities
(34:03):
of it.
So I finally, when this camethrough, I went okay, I'm not
getting bought.
To me it's like that was thepromise you guys made as far as
years ago.
I think Obama was originallyone of the companies that came
out with that deal, butultimately I don't think again.
We should be spending money ina lot of ways Now.
(34:24):
The other thing is this isanother argument that people
don't quite understand on theright Foreign aid.
People look at foreign aid andthey say, oh, it's just a waste.
We shouldn't be spending anymoney to anybody else.
Okay, well, one the left willsay you know, most of our
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foreign aid or the largestdollar sign goes to israel.
So how come they get it?
And to me.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I say well, because they're the only democracy in
the entire middle east and andthey're basically.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
You know they're on their own, they're on an island.
But whether you believe that ornot, I will say as far as
foreign aid goes I don't knowwhat the number is anymore, but
it used to be we gave Pakistanabout $10 billion a year in
foreign aid and people gotreally mad when it turned out
Osama bin Laden was hiding in acompound in Pakistan.
(35:16):
Gosh, that was over 10 yearsago now right, that was like 10,
12 years ago.
People started freaking out.
They said, well, if Pakistanknew that Osama bin Laden was in
our country, why are we sendingthem $10 billion a year when
they didn't tell us?
And I'm sitting there going,you guys.
The reason we send $10 billiona year when they didn't tell us
(35:38):
and I'm sitting there going, youguys.
The reason we said $10 billion ayear to Pakistan is so that
they don't launch nuclearweapons against India.
That's basically it.
You don't blow up India andstart World War III.
We'll give you some money, justdon't do it.
And Pakistan goes.
Okay, we could use $10 billiona year.
That would really help oureconomy.
That'll keep our peoplerelatively happy.
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That keeps our stuff going andIndia is going.
Yeah, ok, you're going to givethem 10 billion dollars to not
fire a nuclear weapon on them?
Cool, we appreciate that.
Don't keep that going, becauseotherwise you know that's a
significant problem, becauseotherwise you know that's a
significant problem.
So there are certain thingsthat we essentially, with our
foreign aid, we are buyingfavors with our foreign aid in
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general, and it's not just we'renot getting something for
nothing.
In most cases there's no, don'tget me wrong, there are.
There's lots of reasons thatforeign aid could be reduced,
lots of places it could bereduced.
(36:50):
You and I have talked aboutUSAID.
A lot of actually appreciate,to some degree, trump pulling in
the reins and saying, all right, we need to stop taking care of
everybody else.
I know people look at theAmerica first statement and say,
well, that's what Hitler said.
He said Germany first.
You guys, I would hope that,honestly, every country,
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especially when it comes toespionage, every country looks
at themselves and says we're themost important country in the
world.
Whatever anybody else does,it's self-defense.
I don't care what anybody elsesays, as long as I'm taken care
of.
Think China cares about anybodyelse.
No, china wants best for China.
(37:33):
North Korea wants best forNorth Korea.
Madagascar wants what's bestfor Madagascar.
You know you could go acrossthe board.
You know you can even go in theUS.
You don't think that Utah wantsbest, what's best for Utah, and
they're like, hey, we don'twant.
That's one of the bigfrustrations in Utah.
(37:54):
So many people have moved fromCalifornia, brought far leaning,
far left politics, especiallyinto Salt Lake and they're going
we don't want this.
Well, how do you do that whenyou have population that
throughout?
Uh, basically take a marker, gofrom from northern California
on the west coast and draw aline straight down and everybody
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on the east is basically aconservative and everybody on
the West Coast and draw a linestraight down and everybody on
the East is basically aconservative and everybody on
the coast is a liberal.
And there's so many people inSan Francisco, la and San Diego
that the people in Fresno don'tget a say on anything.
That's got to piss you off.
But just like I say withanything else, you don't like it
, you can move from California.
(38:35):
You can move to Texas, you canleave.
If you don't like what's goingon, go somewhere else.
You know we like Georgia.
We may end up back in Salt Lake.
There's a lot of things aboutSalt Lake right now politically
that I'm not a big fan of.
But does that?
Where does family and job andwhere does it all balance out?
So you know you haveopportunities.
(38:57):
Like you said, you're in a.
You have soft roots right now.
When is when is your PCSlooking?
You know you're in a situationas a spouse where you're like we
could get PCS this summer ornext winter or the winter after
that and we don't have anycontrol over where we go.
You could end up in Nebraska, inSouth Dakota, in anywhere.
(39:20):
Now you're with Army, right?
No, she's Air Force, she's Army.
She's Army.
Okay, for some reason I wasthinking, because you guys are
on Air Force, but again youcould get stuck somewhere you
just don't want to be and theArmy says needs the Army?
(39:40):
Hold tight, that's where you'regoing.
Yep, so sorry, that was a lotof ramble there.
Ultimately, most people havethe opportunity to move where
they want and all that.
But going all the way back, Ido think, even what we kind of
started with with Syria, I thinkthe Christians in Syria need to
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be protected a little bit morethan they are, a lot more than
they are.
I think, the Ukrainians thebest protection the Ukrainians
could have would be to come tothe peace table.
Canada hey look, canada's havingelections.
It's going to be reallyinteresting to see what happens
with Canada in the next coupleof months.
I don't know.
I'm curious because they didnot like what Trudeau has been
(40:27):
doing, especially, I think, eventhough it's a war of words with
Trump, and I think they, ofcourse, are going to back any
Canadian over Trump.
It doesn't matter If there's aforeign leader that I think is
getting over on Biden.
I'm still going to supportBiden because I want my country
to be the best country.
I'm not going to be backingwhoever over Biden, especially
(40:52):
if I think it's going to hurtthe US.
Yeah, california, I think it'sgoing to hurt the US.
Yeah, california.
I think California is reallyall the way since since Reagan
left, it's is when it kind of,but it's had some Republican,
it's had some Republicansgovernor since then.
But the state and thelegislature have gone pretty far
left and I don't think ArnoldSchwarzenwarzenegger, although a
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republican, was anything near aconservative.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
So I think the, the republican I mean the state
legislature was mostlyrepublican as well too, so it's
kind of back in the day?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
yeah, back in the day .
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It went back and forth, yeah, but now it's kind
of like all right, like yeah,it's cliche to blame one another
.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I'm saying it's biblical.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I'd be curious about the House.
I saw a post the other daywhere Massey I don't know if
you've been following Massey.
I was a fan of Masseybeforehand because he's one of
the few true conservatives leftin Congress who are just, you
know, like he's.
He's a Republican, no doubt,but he is a fiscal conservative,
(42:08):
like traditional fiscalconservative Right, and during
the speech he sent out a sentout a tweet, which was really
fun.
He said Congress is standing upcheering for Doge cuts that
(42:28):
were approved by Congress.
And he's like, and it's just,it's just the irony in it all.
And you know how I feel.
You know how I feel about aboutCongress in general and how it's
just a cesspool of justgrifters who are just in there
to get rich and they can givetwo shits about legislating
(42:51):
anything for the republic,legislating anything for for the
republic, um, and it's just,it's.
It's a breath of fresh air tosee a guy like massey come up
and say, hey look, man, we'reall for this right, and now
you're starting to see morerepublicans kind of do a soft
pushback.
I wish the leadership would bemore honest, um, about what's
going on, um, but I've come torealize that with the blue team
(43:15):
in shambles.
They don't know which way is upright now.
They're just dog and pony showand they're just a big shit show
, to be honest with you and thered team is.
They're so afraid of Elon'smoney they don't know how to
speak on their own that it'sjust going to be a mess, and the
(43:36):
only people that are going tosuffer for it is going to be the
American populace, and thatjust really pisses me off even
more.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well and that's why I go back to the need for a 28th
Amendment that Congress willpass no law from which they are
exempt.
Why is Congress not?
Why are they exempt from SECinsider trading?
Speaker 1 (43:56):
They won't.
That's that's got.
So I figured this out and I'vewargamed this you can get the
28th pass without congressionalapproval, but it's going to take
two thirds of the state.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, congress, yeah, a constitution.
Oh my gosh, what's it called.
Oh my gosh, what's it called.
Once again, my old brain momentconstitutional Congress.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, but the problem is well not the problem, I
guess, in this revolutionaryadministration.
If you will and you have arepublic that is more than two
thirds Republican governorshipright now, it can easily pass,
and I think you'll even haveDemocratic governors who support
the amendment if it were to bepresented.
(44:46):
However, I don't believe thisadministration is genuine about
making change.
I think they're about makingchange, but they're about
changing the way they can fattentheir pocket and soften the
landing spot for their ventures,which is cool.
I mean, every administrationtries to take care of their
(45:07):
people, but this is going to bemore painful.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
One thing I will push back on that.
I think people have made thispoint more eloquently than me.
If Trump really was in thisjust for the money, he didn't
need to run again.
45, 47 doesn't make any moremoney than 45 and 47.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
No 47 ran for president to avoid the 38
felonies he was facing.
We can war game it all day long, but had Trump not won the
presidency, he'd be in jail.
He was facing 38 felonies andthen he had more coming from the
(45:56):
report.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
I think SCOTUS would have thrown him out.
I don't know when you look atwhat they were, they were
basically again paying yourlawyer to do his job.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
There's no way, scotus would be able to clear 30
plus felonies without it havingdamage to the reputation of the
Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
The 30 odd felonies?
Ok, first of all is a?
Was a very purposeful reasondone that way to make it 34
felonies, or I think it wasAbsolutely so.
Here's what I mean by that.
So 34 felonies, okay.
So he basically sent a monthlycheck to his lawyer to Cohen, I
(46:53):
think is who it was sends acheck to his lawyer and then I
think is who it was sends acheck to his lawyer and then he
in his ledger, his accountingledger, says this is what I paid
it for.
So now, every single month hedoes that for, let's say, 11
months.
Sure, so each felony was.
He signed the check, he wrotethe ledger amount in his
(47:18):
bookkeeping and then he handedthe check to his lawyer.
So all three of those wereseparate felonies.
11 months, so 11 times that's33.
The New York state legislaturehad to go back and turn that
into a felony.
(47:39):
They had to vote to turn thatinto a felony because the check
stuff that he was doing, if itwas illegal, first of all was a
misdemeanor, and then they hadto go back and retroactively
make it a felony andretroactively extend the statute
of limitations.
So this whole idea that he wentin to avoid it.
Okay, if you say that.
(47:59):
Well then, new york went in andthey changed the rules on him
to begin with.
Now him paying stormy daniels soeven stormy daniels changed her
story right.
She went from yeah, I was, Iwas a prost prosecutor,
basically all of that.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
All of that sounds great, but you're gonna tell me
a guy facing 88 different courtcases across the nation and 34
felonies for that one incident,for that one incident, 34 for
one incident, 88 overall, andyou're telling me all 88 all 88
were were just some madconspiracy.
No, no, no, no, not no no, nono no, no, that's not what I'm
(48:38):
saying.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
What I'm saying is in that case because here's the
other side of it Did Trumpcreate, did, did?
Did Trump create fraud becauseof Trump University?
Was it Trump or was it peopleunderneath him?
Right now, trump can how much?
How responsible is Trump forand I'm just generalizing
(49:00):
because I don't know the detailsof Trump university, okay, Just
to be real, he may haveabsolutely been in on the whole
thing, right?
So Trump university, yeah, verydifferent.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
I have to country wanted him to be president,
that's that's well, even withwhat it was that's about.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
But set that aside.
Okay, If you remember, therewas a lot of pushback a few
years ago against for-profituniversities.
Sure, that were basicallygiving out degrees.
You know, degree mills, Degreemills those got shut down.
(49:42):
And what Trump did?
Trump?
my understanding is Trumpbasically said hey, come to my
seminars, trump University, youlearn how to sell like a boss,
be a salesman like a boss, right?
And some people liked it, somepeople didn't, some people.
And so they turned around, theysued him and said, hey, this is
bogus, I didn't get what mymoney's worth.
And the court said yep, thatwas not what was promised.
(50:06):
You promised this.
And so there was a fine paidand all that stuff.
Was it criminal?
He wasn't found guilty ofcriminality.
Criminal he was wasn't foundguilty of criminality.
It was fraud, uh, businessfraud, and he had to make
restitution that way.
So for the 88 charges, I don'tknow if those were legitimate
felonies.
I don't know if those werelegitimate misdemeanors I don't
(50:28):
know, because, again, I look ata lot of this and I also see
stuff and read stuff that says,like you say, he ran for 47 to
avoid being prosecuted for thesethings.
Well, the other argument is hewas prosecuted for these things
(50:49):
to keep him from running to be47.
Could be.
Yeah, I agree, could be.
So you've got a chicken and eggsituation, right, yep?
So, and regardless of all that,trump is the president, he's in
there, he's, at the very least,he's stirred the pot and I
(51:18):
think the people yeah, you'llagree with that right.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Anyway, yeah, sure.
Now I think the averageAmerican, if you not average,
the average Trump voter, if yousaid to the up the suit and it's
(51:58):
going to really hurt the swamp,the money that's going to be
saved for the country is goingto be somewhere between 500
billion and a trillion dollars.
Oh my god.
Well, this is this.
That's the argument right thatis.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
That is, that is extremely optimistic all right,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
I'm just kind of making the argument I got to go
ahead, but because and this iswhy I say 500 to a trillion
right, I got, but because of himdoing that at the same time
he's going to turn around andenrich his own bank account by
$10 billion.
I think the average MAGA wouldsay, well, he's earned it, would
(52:39):
say well, he's earned it If hecan save $50 billion but his
personal income goes up by $10billion because of it.
Fair trade.
Now you, knowing you, and Iknow you, you'll say I don't
give a shit what he saves If heincreases by a dollar more than
he's entitled to.
(53:00):
That's graft, grift, grift,grift, grift, grift.
Yes, grift, grift, grift.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Grift, grift, yes.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Grift, grift.
Yes, he's grafted, he's grafted.
Sorry, I messed myself up and Iunderstand that point of it as
well.
Right, I am very much a look.
If there's a law, the law isthe law, and if he's doing
something now, I'm also lost thelaw.
It's not a coulda shoulda,woulda sure.
When the military says stufflike, well, you should have
(53:27):
known, is it in the regulations?
Well, no, but you should haveknown, then you're wrong.
Put it in the regulations, or Idon't give a crap, I can do it
right.
Um, and I think is a pointwhere, let me rephrase I hope, I
(53:48):
hope that what's going on inDoge and in the White House in
terms of trying to make thecountry better through mass
chaos I hope their intent trulyis.
Through mass chaos, let's say,I hope their intent truly is we
(54:09):
are going to come out on theother side a better country.
The analogy I used with you andKJ was that a lot of people look
at this country as it used tobe the greatest piece of
property, with the greatesthouse on it.
And over however many years,the lawn has stopped being taken
(54:33):
care of, the fence has beenblown down, the weeds have come
up, the paint's been peeling,the power line in the back is
hanging, there's cockroaches inthe house and rats all in the
house and it's all but unlivable.
And so when you go in and youstart cleaning it up, and it
sucks that some of the flowersare going to get pulled up with
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the weeds.
And those are the good peoplethat are trying to do the right
thing and that's tough.
And my cousin actually said,yeah, that's all great, you feel
that way, but what if you'reone of the flowers?
I said, yeah, that sucks.
Trust me, I feel for them.
But as a whole, you got tostart somewhere.
And if you're driving by thathouse, you don't look at that
(55:17):
house and go, gosh, look at thathorrible house.
But boy, there's a couple ofpretty flowers down there, right
along the edge.
You know you say what has gotthis house?
What?
Why have they let this house go?
And Trump at this point and Dogeto me, at least they're coming
in with the weed whackers andthey are.
The very first thing is you'vegot to, you've got to be able to
(55:39):
get to the house.
You know, you got to be able toget to the house and they're
whacking their way through allthe weeds and the overgrown
grass and the lawn and, startingto, they're trying to fix the
fence.
That's a great analogy for theborder.
They've come into the house andthrown the windows open and
they've thrown the doors openand the cockroaches and the rats
(56:02):
are scattering.
They're not gone, they'rescattering them.
So now the next step will be OK.
Now, what can we focus on?
Now we focus on the littlethings You've got.
You've got four minutes, so youget the last four minutes.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
That's a great analogy, but let me just leave
you with this.
If your intent is to go cleanthe house up, do you go into a
stranger's house without theirpermission and just start
cleaning their shit up, or doyou follow protocol and get
permission from the people whoown the house first?
Do you?
Speaker 2 (56:36):
follow protocol.
He was invited in.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
No, no he was invited in.
He was invited in, right.
But if we were to take thatanalogy, right, I'm going in,
I'm fixing the fence, I'm doingthe yard and stuff, right,
congress?
Right, congress is thefinancial manager of that house,
right?
So if Congress says, hey, wehave no problem with you doing
that.
You know the people want you toclean the house, the
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neighborhood wants you to fixthe house.
We all agree that the house isin disarray.
We champion you fixing thehouse.
The only thing we ask is hey,man, if you're going to spend
some money here or if you'regoing to cut money here, just
let us know.
That should be a reasonable askif you're going to do that type
(57:21):
of remodeling project.
And I don't see why thereshould be pushback for someone
asking for accountability.
If I am in charge of thecheckbook right given,
regardless of how it works youmay think that I do a horrible
job at managing the account, butif it's my money and I've been
entrusted to manage the financesof this estate, the least you
(57:46):
could do is show me that respectand come in and say hey, man,
look, you're spending way toomuch money here, or I don't
think you're spending enoughmoney here.
We think we can save you moneyif you don't spend money here.
You know what I'm saying.
Why are you paying for agardener who's not coming to
garden the yard?
You've been paying for thisgardener to come fix your yard.
(58:08):
He hasn't shown up in a yearand a half.
We think you can cut thatfunding.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
The pushback there is .
You guys, Congress, you've beeninstrumental in letting this
house get run down For you tocome around and say you don't
like how we're doing is.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
You've been part of the problem for the past 20
years, right, and that's whereguys like Massey come in.
It's not that they're againstwhat they're doing, it's just
saying hey, man, listen, we justwant to see, we're with you,
matter of fact, we're going tosupport you.
Just let us, you know, with you, we, matter of fact, we're
going to support you.
Just let us, you know, we gotyou.
(58:47):
Hey, we understand thatmistakes were made, but show us,
you know what I'm saying and Idon't think that's unreadable.
And before we get up out ofhere yeah, nobody is against
saving money again.
Liberty.
That is a.
That is a media, that is amedia blurb that people take and
run with because it soundsgreat.
Nobody is against.
I've seen, I've seen Democraticand Republican, red and blue
(59:08):
team come out and say andsupport and champion Doge.
Matter of fact, even when theyset up the Doge caucus, they had
both members of both gangs inthere, both red and blue members
.
The only pushback they've everhad was the accountability.
Hey, we okay.
Hey, you're gonna cut 80,000people from this department.
Great, cool.
You're telling me the reasonyou're doing it is because
(59:28):
you're saving this much money.
Great, show us before you do it.
That's all we're asking for andI don't think that is an
unreasonable ask for the peopleor the representatives that we
elected, or else what's thepoint of having them there?
Speaker 2 (59:47):
Liberty.
I agree with you, but that isnot the major money.
Maybe we need to talk aboutthis next week Because we got a
hard time for KJ.
That is it.
The money is not just ingovernment employees, but that
is absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
That is absolutely not when the money is.
Anyway, we have to be out.
We have to be out of liberty.
This is, this was a quick show.
Hope to see you next week.
For everybody that tuned in,thanks for coming by.
We will see you guys.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
We are out of here.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
If I can get it to work jeez man, what do you want
to do tonight?
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
The same thing we do every night.
Pinky, Try to take over theworld.
All right, yo, let's get intoit.
Try to take over the world.
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
You're preaching freedom.
Try to take over the world.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
And greatest chaplain in the world, mr Lance O'Neill,
take over the world and GeorgeChaplin in the world, mr Lansom
Hill, take over the world.
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