June 16, 2025 • 60 mins
Tonight we examine the ICE protests sweeping through Los Angeles and what they reveal about growing tension around immigration enforcement and community resistance. We take a closer look at JD Vance and the growing buzz around his political style. Is he speaking with genuine concern, or is it the smooth delivery of a snake oil salesman? Then we turn to the unraveling relationship between Trump and Musk, a breakup that could reshape political and tech alliances. Join us at 8:30 for fearless commentary and sharp conversation on 2 POGs Save the World.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What do you want to do tonight?
The same thing we do everynight, pinky.
Try to take over the world.
All right, yo, let's get intoit.
Try to take over the world.
You're preaching freedom.
Try to take over the world andbring Chaplin in the world.
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Try to take over the world.
How does KJ do this?
Yo yo yo world.
What's up?
It's Sunday night.
Do you know where your pogs are?
Well, right now I know whereone of the pogs is, and he's
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here.
The other pog, or pogue if youprefer, is in a hotel room
somewhere in America and hispower just went out.
So he is currentlyincommunicado, maybe for the
whole night, I don't know.
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So I've got him on my messengerthat I'm trying to find out
what's going on with him andwe'll see if he's able to come
in and make this two pogsinstead of one pog.
But for now it's just me.
So if you're tuning in to see KJand see his opinions, I don't
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blame you.
He's the reason you should belogging in.
I'm just the soundboard in alot of ways.
So unfortunately, the co-hostthing right now it's just me,
and so I have to kind of justrant, and I could rant about a
lot of different things.
So if there's something youwant to talk about or hear what
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my opinion is on something thatmaybe we wouldn't have talked
about, drop a line.
I believe KJ has it Now.
I don't see Twitch and all that.
All I really see are thecomments.
I believe KJ has it Now.
I don't see Twitch and all that.
All I really see are thecomments.
I believe you.
I think the only place I seethem may be Facebook.
So if you see something and youwant me to comment, somebody's
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watching right now.
I also bought a new microphone.
Oh, they were there for asecond.
They're not there anymore, so Idon't know.
Anyway, but what I wanted totalk to KJ about, well, I mean,
it always centers around Trump,doesn't it?
But the whole thing with theTrump and Musk fight.
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Now I don't know what thereality is on this fight outside
of.
At first I thought it was kindof BS fight outside of.
At first I thought it was kindof BS.
When I first saw the tweet thatsaid, by the way, trump is in
the Epstein files.
I saw the first tweet and itonly had like 2,000 views.
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So I thought it was kind of BS,because if Musk tweets,
something like that, I thought,oh, come on, there's got to be
more than that.
And well, I was wrong.
It was real, because in amatter of hours it became
hundreds of thousands and thenmillions of views, and that made
me think, okay, so this, thisis real, this is a real fight.
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And then I thought, well, maybe,maybe Musk and Trump are having
an issue because the staffdoesn't like trump and what, or,
I'm sorry, the staff doesn'tlike what musk is doing, and
then it's going to be asituation where trump sits down
with his staff and says, hey,back off, we need to fix this,
and whatever's going on.
Then the reports came out thatsaid, no, this is, this is
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personal, this is between, uh,musk and trump, and the staff
was actually trying to calmthings down and make it a I
really between trump and musk.
Outside of these are two uh,very egocentric, driven people
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that are apparently at eachother maybe not, I shouldn't say
at each other's throats, butthey definitely are not happy
with what's going on with eachother.
And I don't know what the, what, the real reason behind that is
, but it seems as is because ofthe big beautiful bill and, from
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what I can understand about thebig beautiful bill is there are
not many cuts in the bigbeautiful bill.
It's more about the tax cutsgoing through to some degree,
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the previous Trump tax cutsbecoming permanent, as well as a
lack of cuts to pretty muchacross the board a lack of cuts,
and so it seems as though maybeMusk was actually really on
purpose doing what he needed todo or wanted to do with Doge and
the whole point was to cutspending.
The big beautiful bill doesn'tcut spending, and so that to me
sounds like an actual problem,because if that's true and
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that's what really led to this,this fight I'm team Musk at that
point, because I think thatyou've got too much spending
going on.
I think, as America goes, we are, we are.
I don't know when is thetipping point?
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$34 trillion, is it $35trillion?
Is it $40 trillion?
Is it $50 trillion?
Does it even matter?
Is there a point where theUnited States government
basically says, well, it doesn'tmatter, we can pay it off, or
we won't pay it off or whatever,because whatever money is owed,
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we can either borrow moreagainst it or we can basically
just ignore it because it reallydoesn't matter, because we are
the most important monetary basein the world at the moment,
because the Chinese are comingand trying to get the UN going
and making that theinternational monetary what the
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word is Item base, because if weswitch to the UN, that's the,
and the chinese, uh, chinese,that's their dollar, the un, so,
and then you've?
Then you're talking about awhole nother issue, because
china, uh, manipulates yourcurrency to a very significant
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degree, or has in the past.
So then, are we ever going togo back to real currency with
gold standard, silver standard?
Probably not.
I find that unlikely.
But what you've got right now isyou've got Trump, who is not
acting like a fiscalconservative.
Speaker of the House, johnson,the Speaker Leader, johnson, who
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is not acting like a fiscalconservative.
You have the Republicans doingwhat Republicans have done again
for the how many-enth time whenthe Democrats are in power, oh,
we need to cut spending, oh,they're spending out of their
minds and it's horrible for theeconomy and horrible for the
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country.
But then, when Republicans getin charge, they turn around and
they spend like drunken sailorsas well.
So it makes you wonder why.
I have a big problem withRepublicans when they do this,
because Republicans can run allday long on being fiscally
conservative and they can say,hey, we're going to cut things
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back, we're going to get controlof this, we're going to try and
make things better for theaverage person, the middle class
person, but then, when they getin power, they don't cut
spending and they don't do thethings that they need to do to
really make that happen.
What they do is they turnaround and they spend all the
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money that they seemingly can.
I think that, with Trump havingDoge, come in and try to say,
hey, we're going to make thesecuts and we're going to save
this money.
I thought that was a step inthe right direction.
Now, these cuts and we're goingto save this money.
I thought that was a step inthe right direction.
Now the question becomes howserious were they?
How much did they actually tryto?
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Or how much is the Trumpadministration willing to
actually cut spending?
Are they serious about deficitspending?
It doesn't seem that they are.
So now you have Musk who'ssaying, okay, I'm out, or Trump
saying you're out, depending onwhich perspective you want to
look at, but not without a shotfired.
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So as Musk is going out thedoor, he drops a bomb and says,
well, trump's in the Epsteinfiles.
This reminds me of the movieAmerican Beauty.
If you haven't seen that, kevinSpacey is the lead.
They don't really say I thinkhe sells ads or he's in
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marketing or something.
And basically he's brought inand told that he's getting fired
.
He's out the door for whateverreason, they're just laying him
off.
And Spacey basically says tothe guy well, okay, fine, I've
been here this long and ifyou're going to fire me, then
what's the severance?
And it's minor.
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And then he says well then, ifyou're not going to give me what
I want, who's to say that?
You didn't just ask me for asexual favor, and that's why
you're now firing me.
And the guy's like well, whatare you talking about?
And so he threatens to go to HR.
He says you can either give mea year of severance or I'm going
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to go to HR.
So he basically blackmails theguy and by doing that he drops
this bomb on him.
And it seems like Musk mighthave kind of done that, but he
did it in public.
He didn't just threaten Trump,he said hey, trump's in the
Epstein files.
The funny part about that is,if you've been following
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anything with the Epstein files,it's not a surprise that Trump
is named in there, it's zerosurprise at all no-transcript
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underage girl who had been hiredat Mar-a-Lago.
She's the daughter of a memberand she's babysitting, doing
babysitting services for themembers.
And Epstein comes in andbasically starts trying to
contact her, groom, her whateverword you want to use and, as
this is going on, she reports it.
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It goes up, hits Trump.
Trump goes ballistic and callsthe authorities and says, hey,
this guy's a dirtbag, you needto investigate him.
And so that's the start of thewhole Epstein drama.
Because then, if you know thestory, epstein drama, because
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then, if you know the story, thepowers that be went in and
investigated quote unquote,investigated Epstein, and then
they basically passed a sentence.
It was a slap on the wrist, itbasically wasn't anything.
And when this all happened,then there was a second
prosecution that came in andsaid whoa, wait a minute, why is
he only getting this?
He's being charged withsomething really serious and you
guys are giving him amisdemeanor charge.
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And then it kind of blew up andwe're now at the Epstein that
we know.
That includes Prince Andrewandrew.
Uh, bill gates didn't want anyof this out.
That's why he was so opposed totrump, because trump was going
to release the epstein files andso he was pushing against trump
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and etc.
Etc.
So what's in the epstein files?
I don't know.
I I think that we have aprobably a pretty good
percentage, but then you againyou have kind of this weird
backtracking, I guess, becausethe second, the guy, number two
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guy in the FBI, thinking on hisname who was in charge of or had
radio host, and he was aconservative radio guy I don't
even know how to say his name,let me look it up.
Who is and I love Grok for this, by the way deputy director of
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the FBI, who was a radio host.
And I've had people say don'tuse Grok because it's biased,
but Grok actually does a reallygood job of it.
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So, bagino, he if you've watchedsome of his old clips, he was
on his radio show saying oh,there's all this stuff in there.
We're being misled.
And if anybody tells you thatthere's not this stuff against
these guys like Gates andClinton and more celebrities,
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they're just full of crap.
We're not being told what weneed to know.
You know, know, it's beinghidden.
Then he gets put in as thedeputy director of the fbi and
last week I think it was he cameout and said no, I've seen it
all, there's nothing extra inthere.
Um, epstein killed himself.
I I've seen the file that saysthey went in and he was checked
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and the guards didn't check himand when they did he was dead
and it's all above board.
So here's a guy who is making acareer of being on the radio,
tv podcasting whatever service.
You watched him who saysanybody who tells you that there
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wasn't more to the Epsteindeath and Epstein files is lying
, is full of it.
He gets into a position ofpower and remember, the Epstein
files have not been released in100%.
We have a pretty good chunk ofit.
We have a lot of data that hasbeen released by him.
It still has stuff that hasbeen censored.
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It's not everything.
And so here's a guy who now iscompletely changing his tune and
saying well, wait a minute,this is not what he was saying
before.
So I don't know what's in theEpstein files.
So I don't know what's in theEpstein files.
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I know that, as my experience asa prison guard is limited.
I was a guard at Guantanamo Bay, if you didn't know, for nine
months, years and years, decadesago, and when we were there, we
had very specific rules.
Now, our facility was verydifferent in that you could look
in every cell.
Uh, because of how, how thecells were, it was actually the
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diamond cut, uh plating, so you,so it was whole.
So it was like a screen, aheavy duty screen, that you
could see everything through theentire thing.
The only place you didn't havethat we had some isolation cells
, that they were individuals,that you could look through the,
the slot, and you could seethem.
But everywhere else you saw you, you could theoretically see
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from one end of the of the tierall the way through to the other
side, and we had uh 48, so 24on each side and we were on.
You were told every half houryou had to walk, somebody had to
walk down and back, down andback, and it was generally more
than that, because if you wentby, the really official and one
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of each person and there werefour on a block, and so while we
were there, you really you onlyneeded to be able to see 12
down and you got bored.
So you were walking back andforth pretty much all the time
and even at nighttime you had tohave somebody.
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You were supposed to havesomebody up on the edge of the
block on each side, but ofcourse you didn't.
But they were supposed to walksomebody up on the edge of the
block on each side, but ofcourse you didn't.
But they were supposed to walkback and forth at least once
every 10, 15 minutes and we didthat consistently.
We never had a.
When I was there we didn't haveanybody suicide.
We had an attempted.
That was not on my shift.
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That ended up at the NavalHospital who had some pretty
significant brain damage, butthat was not on my shift.
That ended up at the Navalhospital who had some pretty
significant brain damage, butthat was not on my shift.
We had another guy on my shiftwho, specifically, he was up on,
he tied, tied himself off, andhe was hooked up on this cell
and he was holding himself up onthe bed where, if he had
dropped, he would have startedchoking.
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If he had done it in a fabriche used.
If I had dropped he would havestarted choking.
If he had done it in fabric heused.
If I remember right, he hadtorn his sheet, but it was not
something.
I don't think the fall wouldhave broken his neck.
So we had the guard come.
We started to have the guardcome down.
We were all there ready to goin.
I'm literally right there wherethe door opens.
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The door opens, I'm one or twonumber one or two inside Inside
the cell would have been liftinghim up.
We had somebody come down, thepsychologist come down, was able
to talk him down, and so he didnot attempt.
That is a far cry from whathappened with Epstein, because
he was in a high security prison.
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He was also on suicide watch,right?
So when you're on suicide watchat least in Guantanamo and I
know from my prison guardfriends when you're on suicide
watch, the garment that theygive you they take away your
clothes, they take away yoursheet.
It is material, it's a smock,it's a suicide smock,
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anti-suicide smock, so you can'trip it, you can't tear it, you
can't do anything to it so thatyou could use it to facilitate
arming yourself.
And I've got to presume thatthat's what Epstein was in was
in a suicide prevention smock.
So now you've got a guy who isin a cell by himself, which not
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really sure why he never shouldhave been in a cell by himself.
Two, the guards weren'twatching.
Three, the cameras go out.
And four, and the biggest oneis the conspiracy.
Now I'm going conspiracy here,tin hat.
The conspiracy is that he hadbroken bones in his neck that
were inconsistent with a hangingand that's where you got to go,
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okay, well, wait a minute.
So what happened here?
Okay, do I think that BillClinton sent assassins?
I don't know.
I'm not claiming that.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that I don't knowwhat happened in that cell
because nobody knows.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that I don't knowwhat happened in that cell
because nobody knows.
But it seems unlikely, fromwhat I know about maximum
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security prisons and fromsuicide prevention in prisons,
that he would have had theability to hang himself on his
own without anybody there.
And the circumstances againcamera goes out, the guards
don't do their job.
Well, look the guards.
Oh no, they didn't do their job.
Well, that's where theconspiracies start to come in.
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So for Musk to say that Trump isin the Epstein files okay, not
a surprise, because he probablyis again, but the reason why
he's there.
So now you have Trump turnaround.
And this is where I think it'skind of funny.
Trump turns around and says,well, maybe we should explore
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canceling the differentgovernment contracts that Musk
has, but not really thinkingwhat that meant.
And I think we all knowPresident Trump likes to shoot
off a tweet without necessarilythinking about all the
consequences that go along withthat tweet.
Or I guess he doesn't tweet, hedoes it on true social, but it
ends up as a tweet.
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So he says maybe we should doall this.
And Musk kind of giggles andlaughs and says, okay, well, I
guess we should decommissionSpace Dragon.
So the Musk corporations thathave been flying the astronauts
back up and down to theInternational Space Station,
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that's Musk, that's a Muskcorporation.
Those are all on federalgovernments through his
corporations.
And so he's like, okay, well, Iguess we can just decommission
that.
And suddenly it's like, oh,wait, wait, that's a bad idea.
We like our astronauts to beable to come back to Earth.
Nasa currently is not very goodat getting anything done, so
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maybe, just maybe, let's holdoff on that.
And that was musk actuallyturned around and said, yeah,
okay, well, we won'tdecommission that, we'll, we'll
keep it going.
But I think that also was thatwas probably, if not trump, that
was probably some uh, very highofficials letting trump or
letting musk know that theywould very much like him to keep
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his contracts and keep theability to go and get astronauts
back and forth from theInternational Space Station, et
cetera, in play.
So now, where are we at?
We're, at the staff now tryingto get Musk to come in, or I'm
not sure they're trying to getMusk to come in.
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They're trying to smoothwhatever is going on between
Trump and Musk.
I think that Trump will likelyI don't want to say swallow his
pride, but I think Trump willlikely come out with something
that mends the fence, towhatever degree, and he'll do it
in his way.
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That seems like he's not reallybacking down or he'll just
ignore what happened.
I think Trump has a way of justsaying well, nope, that didn't
happen, even though we all knowsomething happened and so he'll
do it that way.
I think Musk will just continueon his merry way.
But the thing I think that'sgoing to be really interesting
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is the reaction from the lefttowards Musk.
Now, remember, musk used to bea hero on the left because of
the Tesla movement and the EVsand all the stuff that Musk was
doing for what they believedwere environmental reasons.
I personally think Musk saw amarket and he went for it, which
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I don't blame him.
I think more than anything, helikes the idea of having as much
money as he possibly can, whichso be it.
So it's going to be interestingto see how the left reacts to
Musk now.
Are they going to bring himback into?
If not, his good graces?
Just leave him alone.
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We saw how many acts ofvandalism against Tesla owners
which is, by the way, justabsolutely ridiculous, because
just because you own a cardoesn't mean you're endorsing
the owner.
I just bought a Toyota.
Well, not just Last year, Ibought an old Toyota pickup
truck.
Does that mean I endorse?
I don't know who the CEO ofFord is.
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I believe he actually is one ofthe grandchildren of Ford,
though I think he's one of thefamily members, but the others I
don't know.
Honda, I don't know Nissan, noidea.
Last I saw it, nissan was goingto try to merge with one of
them to become like number four.
I don't remember who Nissan wasthinking of merging with.
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It might have been Honda, butall this stuff just makes me
laugh because it's just soridiculous.
Nobody's representing America atthis point.
You have the Republicans, whoare being stupid with money,
just like Democrats always are.
Democrats have been even morerecklessly.
The Biden bill that wassupposed to control inflation.
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Well, it did something toinflation.
It wasn't controlling it, itmade inflation go 10% and higher
for certain quarters.
And so Trump comes in and yeah,okay, if you like what trump's
been doing.
There are things about trump sofar that I do like.
Love that the border is, if notsecure, legal people coming
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across the border has gone to atrickle.
The people that have overstayedtheir welcome and their visas
are being asked to leave.
Those who came illegal arebeing given a quote, unquote,
humanitarian way to leave.
I believe the offer is we willfly you to your country, back to
your country, and give you athousand dollars.
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Ok, I mean, as far as economicsgo, that that does make sense.
As far as economics go, thatdoes make sense.
So, okay, liberty, I don't knowhow to put your comment.
Oh, there we go.
I have not run this by.
If the Republicans aren't stupidwith money, they'll lose in the
midterms and the nextpresidential election too.
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Yes, I think they will, andthat's part of what's going on.
But at the same time hey, bythe way, liberty, shoot me if my
sound is better.
I got a new microphone.
Sound is better, or I need toadjust.
Let me know because KJ wasn'there where I could do it before
the show.
Yeah, a big part of it is oh,thank you.
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Okay, good, so the mic wasworth it.
So, yeah, that's a big problem.
But here's the Republicans.
Being bad with money is one ofthose things that just ticks me
off, because they run as fiscalconservatives and then when they
get in power, they spend likeDemocrats.
But when Democrats are in power, they spend like drunken
Democrats.
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And so would I rather haveRepublicans who are in and going
to increase the deficitspending to a trillion dollars a
year, more than it is already,or do I want Democrats who are
in, who have spent two trillionmore?
Well, of course, the lesser oftwo evils is the Democrats and
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the Republicans in that case,but what frustrates me is they
don't.
Nobody wants to be real aboutthe situation.
This is a third rail situation,where they're not looking at
the things that have to be spenton.
Okay, you have thesediscretionary funds, things that
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you can choose, and you haveentitlements which have to be
spent, and nobody's being real.
So Republicans have to spend orthey'll get voted out as though
we won't fix spending until wehave a real financial disaster.
I agree.
It's as though we won't fixspending, and you're absolutely
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right.
I think at some point, kj and Ihave talked about this you want
to talk about a civil war inAmerica.
I don't think it's going to beracial.
I don't think it's going to bewhite versus black or white
versus non-white.
It's going to be poor versusnon-poor, because I think what's
going to happen in the next 10to 20 years, if not sooner, so
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within the next 20 years, you'regoing to have austerity.
Somebody's going to come in andpush the government for true
austerity If you don't know whatausterity is.
Austerity is where you have toreally tighten your belt and you
really have to be serious aboutcutting spending.
So you're going to have peoplethat get there.
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Yes, I can see that, kj.
So you're going to have peoplethat are going to come in and
legitimately say, hey, we needto fix this.
And that's when they're goingto say so instead of your
benefits right now, consistentlyincreasing COLA, cost of living
allowance for retirees, formilitary, for Medicare, medicaid
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Now, of course, some of thoseare not directly.
You know, medicaid is not adirect payment, but SNAP.
You've already seen thesedifferent things of entitlement
programs, when they say we haveto go from 100% of what you're
getting right now to 70% or elseit's going to be insolvent.
That's when you're going to havepeople freak out and that's
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when I think you might have somereal violence in this country.
We went through that.
We saw it in Greece, I believe,about 20 years ago.
They had to come in becausethey owed so much money to the
EU and they still do and becausethey they went through
austerity.
There was a lot of violence,and I think that's where you're
going to see a real trigger or areal the fuse that that is
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going to be lit Now.
Until then, liberty isabsolutely right the Republicans
are going to keep spending whenthey're in power and when
they're not in power, they'regoing to complain that the
Democrats are spending and theDemocrats are going to continue
to spend, but they're going tofight, or at least act like
they're fighting, against it,because right now they are
looking at it saying, well, wedon't like these tax cuts,
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because then only the rich getthe tax cuts, which is not true.
There's tax cuts across theboard.
However, if you're going tocontinue to spend, it doesn't
matter if you're a Republican ora Democrat, you're still
spending this country into theabyss and we're going to
eventually go off the cliff andit's going to be a bad situation
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.
Now there's one thing that, inmy opinion, there's one thing
that could happen that wouldkeep that disaster from
occurring, and it's actually outof somewhat dumb luck actually
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out of somewhat dumb luck InAmerica, north America,
specifically in the ColoradoRocky area, which goes from
Arizona well into Canada up intoEdmonton and those regions,
there is more oil shale in NorthAmerica than the rest of the
world combined.
In North America than the restof the world combined.
Now oil shale can be used toproduce petroleum.
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Now petroleum is what you needfor everything.
Oil gets turned to petroleum.
Petroleum gets turned into gas,into plastics, into asphalt,
into pretty much your phone, themicrophone, the headphones
Everything that you use usespetroleum-based products.
Unfortunately, there'spetroleum-based product in food,
in a lot of our food.
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Even so, if we are forced toactually go in and refine oil
shale, that is something that,if we start to get good at it
and we actually make a effort toprogress the technology, then
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oil shale will be our savinggrace because we'll be able to
produce enough petroleum that wewill be significant exporters.
Right now we export a smallamount of petroleum into the
world market.
But the other part is if we areable to go in and we're able to
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start using places like Anwarprovince up in Alaska which I
kind of laugh, because everytime you talk about Anwar
province or the New York Timestalks about Anwar province I saw
this last week.
It's one of the last pristinewilderness areas in America.
Yeah, because you can't getthere.
It's almost impossible to getup there and during half of the
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year it's covered in ice and youcan't get there at all.
So of course it's a pristinewilderness because nobody goes
there, nobody wants to go there,nobody can go there, nobody can
go there.
You might go there during thesummer months and be able to get
up there by plane a six oreight hour flight from Juneau
land, be there for a littlewhile in a few months and come
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back at most.
So of course it's a pristinewilderness, but there's ways to
drill and there's ways to makeit efficient and you wouldn't be
out deep in the shelf like youwere with the Deepwater Horizon,
where, if there's an accident,you're going to have billions of
well, millions, if not billionsof gallons of oil.
You can build the pipeline, youcan do it in a way that you
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could do it through thepermafrost, et cetera.
That would also again lead toUS energy independence and being
a major exporter.
And if we become a majorexporter, look at what Saudi
Arabia, look at what Qatar, lookat what the Middle Eastern
countries.
That is how they have theirpower, that is how they have the
money to do what they're doingbecause of oil.
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If you're old enough to remember, or you've seen reruns, or I
don't even think they have Nickat Night anymore there was a
show, the Beverly Hillbillies.
It's about Jed Clampett, who'sa hillbilly in Southern America
it doesn't really say where theaccent would make you believe
Kentucky, tennessee, louisiana,area and as the opening song
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goes, he's out shooting for somefood, takes a shot and up
through the ground comesbubbling crude.
And in the very first episodehe's talking to his I believe
it's his sister or some familyrelation who is not as backwater
redneck as he is.
I think redneck is whatClampett is.
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He's definitely a redneck.
And so they say, oh, so the oilcompanies come out and they're
going to give you some money.
He says, yeah, but they'regoing to pay me with something
he's like what do you mean?
A new kind of?
There's no new dollars.
He said something like amillion dollar and she's gasping
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.
Now, remember, this is supposedto be in the 60s.
So millions and millions ofdollars, and I believe at one
point I could be wrong, but Ibelieve they offer him somewhere
.
It's around 200 or $250 million, if I remember early on.
I started re-watching it lastyear and so I got through there
like the first season.
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I believe they say it'ssomewhere north of $200 million
that he was given Moves toBeverly Hills.
Well, that is how the MiddleEast has made their money is
because oil production in theMiddle East had had until
recently is dwarfed everywhereelse.
Now America, if you don't know,america has enough oil to be
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energy independent and ourbiggest importers are two
biggest importers we import fromCanada and Mexico and then the
Middle East.
So there is a ton of oil hereand that's the only way I think
we're going to actually avert afinancial disaster and a
collapse economically is ifwe're able to start using those
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resources.
If we start using the liquefiednatural gas, lng, if we start
really using oil shale andproducing oil shale, we can
avert both of those and convertthose into energy and avert a
financial crisis.
They talk about fossil fuels.
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They, of course, hate fossilfuels.
None of them want to talk tochina, which puts out the
majority of fossil fuelpollution in the world.
They more than 50 percent ofthat fossil fuel pollution now
is from china, and I believeindia is a close second well,
not a close second, but becausethey're not a majority also.
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But but India and China put outmore pollution, I believe, than
any other the rest of the worldcombined, right.
So you have theseenvironmentalists who come in
and they're complaining to theUS, but they'll never go to
China.
They'll never go to India andcomplain about there, because
China will.
Hey, you know what if GretaThornburg think, if Greta
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Thornburg showed up and startedprotesting in China about their
pollution, how fast would she bearrested?
Yeah, that's why they don't goprotest, because China is an
authoritarian government.
They don't put up with thiscrap.
And so for anybody who saysAmerica is an authoritarian
government, as soon as you startgetting arrested because you're
calling it an authoritarian,then you might have a bit of an
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argument.
But until then, it's notauthoritarian because you can
complain about it.
Authoritarian governments don'tlet you complain that they're
authoritarian.
So I think that that is onething that is going to be
potentially a lifesaver forAmerica.
Unintentionally or just out ofdumb luck, but we do need
nuclear power.
If the technology advances,where we can start using solar
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to a larger degree, fine.
If we can start usinggeothermic, great.
If we can use hydroelectric,awesome.
Hydroelectric.
Is not going to happen, though,as our dams continue to get
older, because we can't buildnew dams again because of
environmentalists.
Nuclear power all theseenvironmentalists think that
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every power plant is anotherChernobyl.
That's not possible.
Going to happen.
It's going to happen is goingto happen.
While nuclear power isabsolutely the most efficient
and cleanest energy the worldcan produce.
Now, remember efficient andclean, because if you start
talking about just clean, well,there's some different things
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you can use between.
Geothermic is extremely clean,wave power is extremely clean,
but we're not there with thetechnology to be able to do that
.
So until we get the technologyadvances, then nuclear power is
the way to go.
And again, drill, baby drill.
We need to go in and startdoing that.
So to get back to Musk andTrump.
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So to get back to Musk andTrump.
So I think that you're going tohave.
Musk is going to be redeemed onthe left to some degree,
because, especially if he goesfull anti-Trump, if he goes full
Trump derangement syndrome, ifhe goes and full out TDS and
starts not just saying thingslike, well, we disagree, but if
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he goes full on attack mode onTrump, I think the left will
welcome him back with open arms,because it's not about Musk at
that point, it's about beinganti-Trump.
And so we'll see what happenswith Musk and Trump.
I think Musk is in a very uniqueposition, though.
Musk sent out a poll and Ibelieve the response was around
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400, I'm sorry, 150,000 people.
It might have been more, Ididn't, I saw.
When I clicked on it, I sawthat that was the number, maybe
more.
And he said should a newpolitical party be started in
America that would represent the80 percent of voters in the
middle and overwhelmingly yesand and.
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Musk is actually in a veryunique position.
Musk could actually start thatparty.
He can't run in that party forpresident.
He could run as Senate or Houseor whatever, but he actually
has the money that could promotewhat I would call something
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like the whether it'sindependent American party,
whether it's just the Americanparty, the American
constitutional party, the reformAmerican party, the American
Constitutional Party, the ReformAmerican Party, the Reform
Party in England, just crushed.
Whatever you want to call it,let's call it the Independent
American Party.
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Iap has a nice ring to it.
If Trump I'm sorry, not Trump,not Trump if Musk was willing to
pump significant amounts ofmoney into a new party and when
I say significant, I'm talkingabout billions and billions of
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dollars annually, I think to getit off the ground, if he were
to start a party today with theintent of having an independent
American party candidate, aviable, viable person this is
not just hey, the libertarians.
Libertarians have been tryingthis for years.
Libertarians haven't got about3% of the vote, I don't think
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since 2016,.
I think they came close to 3%,but it wasn't significant.
They didn't win a single seat.
They didn't win anything.
So you have to get seats in theHouse, you have to get seats in
the Senate and then you have tohave a president.
So if your plan is to runsomebody for 2028, I'm not even
sure if that's really possible,but you'd have to start
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initially today.
My guess is somewhere around $5billion.
You'd have to invest in peopleand ground and infrastructure
for a party, let alone themarketing.
He has the marketing wingalready on X.
He could probably flood themarket with pro-Independent
American Party.
I don't know what the financiallaws would be for that, because
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there are some fair financiallaws that if you give X amount
of time to this party, you haveto give to that party so he
could promote maybe anIndependent American Party
before it even exists withouthaving to do that.
But once you do that, there aresome finance campaign laws and
such media laws that would makeit difficult.
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But if he invested $5 billionthis year, then next year
probably get away with $2billion and then $2 billion in
27 and then ramp it up.
Well, okay, so we're countingthis year as the election year,
presidential election year.
So let's say $5 billion thisyear, $2.5 billion next year,
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$2.5 billion the year after thatand then another $15 billion of
stock in Tesla, in whatever heowns, and set that aside
specifically for a newindependent party $15 billion.
I think you could actually haveviability in the 2028 election.
Do I think they could win?
I don't know, because reallythe only time we've ever had
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modern history, the only timewe've had a third party, was
Ross Perot got around 20% of thevote in 1992, and he actually
took more from Bush Sr.
I think most analysts agreethat if Perot hadn't run, Bush
Sr actually likely wins.
Now that's all conjecture, sowho knows?
But I don't think that if Muskwanted to start a third party,
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he wouldn't want to do it as aspoiler.
He would want somebody to comein and actually win.
Then you would have the mediafreaking out and the right and
the left I'm sorry, not theright and the left, the
Democrats and the Republicans,not the right and the left the
Democrats and the Republicanswould freak out and the media
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would freak out that now thecountry is run by oligarchs.
Here you have one oligarch, youhave one guy in Musk who's
coming in and basically creatinga party that he is obviously in
charge of.
He's funding it.
So of course anybody who's anindependent American party is is
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in the pocket of Musk, etcetera.
You would absolutely have thatargument because, especially
from the media, because themedia is in the pocket of the
Democrats.
They are the Democrats in inlarge, in a large way.
Yes, of course, for every FoxNews, and I get it.
Fox News is on the right.
Yes, but Fox News is, and I getit.
Fox News is on the right, yes,but Fox News is one outlet.
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Okay, for every one Fox Newsthere's a CNN, a CNBC, an MSNBC,
an NBC, an ABC, a CBS News, hln.
Everybody else is hard left,middle to hard left, and Fox
News, at best, is lean right.
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They are not a hard right.
They are not a conservativenews organization.
They just seem like a hardright compared to everybody else
, but they're really not.
They're lean right.
So if you had Musk come in andfund and I think Musk would
obviously come out with otherI'd like to see other
billionaires come in and do thatOkay, cool, make it a truly
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independent, but dump the moneyin and then step away and let it
go.
Won't happen.
They want something out of it.
Because if you're Bezos, let'ssay, if you're Bezos and what
you've done with the WashingtonPost, which took a hard hard, if
not the most hard leftnewspaper and made it just hard
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left and pissed off a bunch ofyour staff by not endorsing
Harris If he could do that,would he be willing to actually
put some money in and then stepaway?
Would Zuckerberg be willing toput some money in and step away?
Would Soros?
I don't think Soros would.
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I think Soros wants to be thathard left guy and his son.
He's passing that on to his sonand hard left.
But if you had these guys whoare actually willing to come in
Bill Gates, I don't know, heacts like a moderate.
He says he's a moderate.
I don't necessarily believehe's a moderate, but if you
could literally have a middle ofthe road party, even if it was
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initially funded by oligarchs,well, what's different than what
we have right now?
If you don't think theRepublican Party and the
Democratic Party are run byoligarchs, you're insane.
Where do you think the money'scoming from?
And you can say well, theDemocrats.
It's not really oligarchs, it'sjust Soros.
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First of all, soros, hugeoligarch, right.
But take it the next step andyou can argue they are not
oligarchs.
But the unions act likeoligarchs.
Okay, the unions make hundredsof millions of dollars of
donations to only one side ofthe aisle and they have billions
of dollars in their coffers.
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So they're absolutely asoligarchs all right, as
oligarchs, and it's the same.
Don't get me wrong, it's thesame.
On the Republican side.
The Republicans havecorporations that are worth
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billions of dollars that aregoing in and funding everything
the Republicans do thegrassroots stuff.
Yeah, okay, there's grassrootsand there are people that go in
and donate their grandmas, youknow that go in and donate their
$5 to this or $5 to that party,but that's not where the
money's coming from.
The money's coming from massivecorporations, from oligarchs
that have billions of dollarsthat they can use, and on both
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sides, is it the Adelman familythat runs the casinos that was
so pro-Trump?
I believe that's the name.
I could be wrong.
I'm not doing great with namesright now and if KJ is here I
could actually look it up, butKJ is not here.
So you have these differentpeople that come in and they
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could fund absolutely they couldfund an independent American
party, and I would love to seeElon Musk do that.
I think that he could actuallyget some really moderate people
in the middle.
Now, I am not a moderate.
I will tell you right now.
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I am a conservative.
People might label me as farright.
I am a conservative, far rightin terms of I believe in the
Constitution.
I am a constitutional literalist.
I think what's in theConstitution was written into
the Constitution.
That's how it should be.
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I don't think there's a ton ofroom for interpretation of the
Constitution.
I think the Constitution waswritten pretty plainly,
especially the Bill of Rightsand the 27 amendments.
I think they are written in away that, for the most part, you
can read them pretty clearlyand when we get down into the
weeds, that's where the problemis.
I think if we had traditionalliteralists who are on the court
, you wouldn't have a lot of theproblems that we're having as
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far as what's constitutional ornot, and I think that goes all
the way down to the lowest level, federal and state courts.
If they followed what theconstitution actually said, I
think we'd be doing a lot betteras a country.
Okay, so Soros again.
Go back to Soros.
He was pushing that.
He's really smart and he wentin, and he was pushing for a lot
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of people that were at the DAlevel DAs become judges.
He's been trying to influencejudges, judge elections which,
by the way, is insane thatjudges can be elected, like in
Wisconsin.
You're voting for somebody tobe a judge.
How is that not based on merit?
I think it's crazy that youvote on judges, but you could do
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it, and Musk is in a uniqueposition that he could actually
lead the charge for aindependent American party, and
I hope he does it.
I hope he does, I hope he goesout and he gets everybody we
talk about right now.
The far right and the far leftare the only ones that are
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actually listened to, and Idon't know about the far right
because the far right, to me,when you talk about the far
right, the far right getsshunned as they should.
When you're talking aboutpeople that are Nazis, when
you're talking about people thatare white supremacists, when
you talk about people that KJwould say white Christian
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nationalists, yeah, absolutely.
If you are so far right thatyou are okay with any type of
violence against other people,yeah, I'm not okay, I'm not down
with you.
I'm not that far right.
Again, I'm a conservative.
If you're on the far left andyou push for far leftists, you
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push for socialism, evencommunism.
If you think the chas up inseattle was a great idea, they
should block a, have, have blockparties and let what happens in
the chas stays in the chas,which included, by the way, if
you don't know this seattle hadhad that section that was
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blocked off called the chas thatdidn't allow the police in.
They had sexual assaults, rapesthat were going on in the CHAZ
that they were quote-unquote,dealing with it themselves.
They wouldn't even call thepolice when a woman was getting
raped, when women got raped.
That's how out there that was.
So the people on the far leftthat want things like that,
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they're the leaders of theDemocratic Party.
People are talking about AOC asa presidential candidate.
She is about as far cuckoo leftas you can get in this country.
But is she a Maoist?
Yeah, I think she.
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I think you could probably makesome pretty good arguments that
she is a Maoist communist, thatshe is right, in line with what
the Chinese government is.
Now, that is not a personalattack.
I am not attacking AOC.
I'm saying her policies, justto be very clear.
I don't want to run into any ofthe issues that come in with
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being military and talking aboutpeople in Congress.
So there is a significantdifference in America between
the far right and the far left.
The far right gets shunnedrightfully.
The far left gets embracedstrangely, which is crazy to me.
Which is crazy to me Because ifyou want to say what is the
most destructive form of noteven government, just the most
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destructive thing in the last150 years is communism.
It's not even close between youknow.
People will say it's NaziNazism.
It's not the Nazis.
Yeah, the Nazis absolutelykilled 10 million, 15 million
people, maybe 20 million.
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If you include Russian warcasualties and the numbers
involved between everybodyinvolved in World War II, it's
probably somewhere north of 20million no-transcript Because of
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communism in the world in thelast hundred years.
So it's not even close.
And yet communism.
If you had an elected official,somebody who's running to be an
elected official in certainparts of this country, who said,
yeah, I'm a communist, seattle,for example, okay, they're a
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viable candidate.
They may or may not win, butthere have been actual
communists on the ticket thathave run in Seattle, I'm sure in
Portland there's some.
I bet you dollars to donuts inSan Francisco and other parts of
the US that people have run ascommunists that are embraced.
And I'm not talking to you know, 70 years ago the communists
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were getting hunted down andwhat was going on?
There were not hunted down butthey were trying to be exposed
by McCarthy and some of thosethings.
But nowadays they're beingembraced.
If somebody came out and saidI'm going to run as a Nazi,
they'd get nowhere.
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They'd get no votes.
They might not even get theirfamily to vote for them.
So that's the difference On theleft, the idea that communism,
which again is the worst form ofgovernment that the world has
seen, would get votes.
Nazism, which is arguably thesecond worst form, would get no
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votes, which is crazy to me.
How can people in this countryvote and think communism is okay
and somehow think Nazism andI'm not saying Nazism is okay,
I'm saying Nazism is horribleabsolutely the second worst of
any choice of government youcould go with would be Nazi.
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But the number one is communism.
How anybody in this countrythinks communism is okay and
this argument, well, it hasn'tbeen tried.
Real communism hasn't beentried Then you are an absolute
idiot.
Absolute idiot.
And the people that are sayingthat are sitting with communists
with their apple computers,apple laptops, their levi's
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jeans, their birkenstocks,getting in ubers and driving
around in in cars that are arevolkswagen made in germany.
So the idea is just.
It blows me away what the farleft in this country does.
I hope that Trump and Musk areable to at least mend defenses
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to a degree that it doesn'tbecome a distraction and it was
a distraction to me.
I've talked for almost an houron Trump and Musk and I didn't
even talk about what's going onin Los Angeles with the
immigration raids, which is anabsolute fiasco, which I think
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that the National Guard comingin is probably the right move.
I have friends that areconcerned that the National
Guard, including KJ, could turninto a National Guard situation
of Kent State or of the Southfrom the civil rights era.
I don't think so.
Personally, I don't thinkthat's the way it will go.
So I only have about twominutes and I would click the
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loud thoughts button, but Idon't know where it is.
I think KJ might have, maybe.
Oh no, that's not it.
So let's not do that.
I'm not, I am not going tochange anything, but my final
thoughts are this If you aregoing to come in this country
illegally, you need to leave.
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If you are fighting lawenforcement that is trying to
remove people that are hereillegally and you are actively
committing violence againstfederal agencies such as ICE,
department of Homeland Security,local police, the National
Guard, you need to be arrestedand you need to be thrown in
jail.
And if you're illegally heredoing this, you need to be
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arrested and deported on thequickest way out.
You should be dumped inwhatever country you're from.
Gtfo, get the family out, goback to the country that you're
from.
I don't care if you are fromMexico, guatemala, canada,
ireland, sweden, african country.
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Insert African country hereChina.
If you're here illegally andyou are supporting any of these
riots, you should be arrestedand deported.
If you're here legally andyou're supporting it, I think
you should be charged.
I think this is basically aterroristic act If you are
creating a mob against dulylicensed and vetted law
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enforcement agents.
So there you go.
I don't know if KG will be nextweek.
I hope KG is here next week.
If not, if it's going to be mefor another hour.
I don't think any of us wantthat.
For those of you that werewatching tonight, love you, hope
you're here.
Liberty, thanks for the littlebit of input.
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Glad, thank you for letting meknow.
The microphone works a littlebit better too, and with that I
will call it the end of thenight.
You guys all have a good night.
Next week.
Same bat time, same bat channel.
Chief man, what do you want todo tonight?
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The same thing we do everynight.
Pinky, try to take over theworld.
All right, yo, let's get intoit.
Try to take over the world.
Yep, preaching, take over theworld.
Chaplain in the world.
Take over the world.
What do you want to do tonight?
The same thing we do everynight, pinky.
Try to take over the world.
All right, yo, let's get intoit.
Try to take over the world.
You're preaching freedom.
Try to take over the world andbring Chaplin in the world.
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Try to take over the world.
How does KJ do this?
Yo yo yo world.
What's up?
It's Sunday night.
Do you know where your pogs are?
Well, right now I know whereone of the pogs is, and he's
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here.
The other pog, or pogue if youprefer, is in a hotel room
somewhere in America and hispower just went out.
So he is currentlyincommunicado, maybe for the
whole night, I don't know.
(01:09):
So I've got him on my messengerthat I'm trying to find out
what's going on with him andwe'll see if he's able to come
in and make this two pogsinstead of one pog.
But for now it's just me.
So if you're tuning in to see KJand see his opinions, I don't
(01:31):
blame you.
He's the reason you should belogging in.
I'm just the soundboard in alot of ways.
So unfortunately, the co-hostthing right now it's just me,
and so I have to kind of justrant, and I could rant about a
lot of different things.
So if there's something youwant to talk about or hear what
(01:53):
my opinion is on something thatmaybe we wouldn't have talked
about, drop a line.
I believe KJ has it Now.
I don't see Twitch and all that.
All I really see are thecomments.
I believe KJ has it Now.
I don't see Twitch and all that.
All I really see are thecomments.
I believe you.
I think the only place I seethem may be Facebook.
So if you see something and youwant me to comment, somebody's
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watching right now.
I also bought a new microphone.
Oh, they were there for asecond.
They're not there anymore, so Idon't know.
Anyway, but what I wanted totalk to KJ about, well, I mean,
it always centers around Trump,doesn't it?
But the whole thing with theTrump and Musk fight.
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Now I don't know what thereality is on this fight outside
of.
At first I thought it was kindof BS fight outside of.
At first I thought it was kindof BS.
When I first saw the tweet thatsaid, by the way, trump is in
the Epstein files.
I saw the first tweet and itonly had like 2,000 views.
(02:56):
So I thought it was kind of BS,because if Musk tweets,
something like that, I thought,oh, come on, there's got to be
more than that.
And well, I was wrong.
It was real, because in amatter of hours it became
hundreds of thousands and thenmillions of views, and that made
me think, okay, so this, thisis real, this is a real fight.
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And then I thought, well, maybe,maybe Musk and Trump are having
an issue because the staffdoesn't like trump and what, or,
I'm sorry, the staff doesn'tlike what musk is doing, and
then it's going to be asituation where trump sits down
with his staff and says, hey,back off, we need to fix this,
and whatever's going on.
Then the reports came out thatsaid, no, this is, this is
(03:41):
personal, this is between, uh,musk and trump, and the staff
was actually trying to calmthings down and make it a I
really between trump and musk.
Outside of these are two uh,very egocentric, driven people
(04:02):
that are apparently at eachother maybe not, I shouldn't say
at each other's throats, butthey definitely are not happy
with what's going on with eachother.
And I don't know what the, what, the real reason behind that is
, but it seems as is because ofthe big beautiful bill and, from
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what I can understand about thebig beautiful bill is there are
not many cuts in the bigbeautiful bill.
It's more about the tax cutsgoing through to some degree,
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the previous Trump tax cutsbecoming permanent, as well as a
lack of cuts to pretty muchacross the board a lack of cuts,
and so it seems as though maybeMusk was actually really on
purpose doing what he needed todo or wanted to do with Doge and
the whole point was to cutspending.
The big beautiful bill doesn'tcut spending, and so that to me
sounds like an actual problem,because if that's true and
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that's what really led to this,this fight I'm team Musk at that
point, because I think thatyou've got too much spending
going on.
I think, as America goes, we are, we are.
I don't know when is thetipping point?
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$34 trillion, is it $35trillion?
Is it $40 trillion?
Is it $50 trillion?
Does it even matter?
Is there a point where theUnited States government
basically says, well, it doesn'tmatter, we can pay it off, or
we won't pay it off or whatever,because whatever money is owed,
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we can either borrow moreagainst it or we can basically
just ignore it because it reallydoesn't matter, because we are
the most important monetary basein the world at the moment,
because the Chinese are comingand trying to get the UN going
and making that theinternational monetary what the
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word is Item base, because if weswitch to the UN, that's the,
and the chinese, uh, chinese,that's their dollar, the un, so,
and then you've?
Then you're talking about awhole nother issue, because
china, uh, manipulates yourcurrency to a very significant
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degree, or has in the past.
So then, are we ever going togo back to real currency with
gold standard, silver standard?
Probably not.
I find that unlikely.
But what you've got right now isyou've got Trump, who is not
acting like a fiscalconservative.
Speaker of the House, johnson,the Speaker Leader, johnson, who
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is not acting like a fiscalconservative.
You have the Republicans doingwhat Republicans have done again
for the how many-enth time whenthe Democrats are in power, oh,
we need to cut spending, oh,they're spending out of their
minds and it's horrible for theeconomy and horrible for the
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country.
But then, when Republicans getin charge, they turn around and
they spend like drunken sailorsas well.
So it makes you wonder why.
I have a big problem withRepublicans when they do this,
because Republicans can run allday long on being fiscally
conservative and they can say,hey, we're going to cut things
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back, we're going to get controlof this, we're going to try and
make things better for theaverage person, the middle class
person, but then, when they getin power, they don't cut
spending and they don't do thethings that they need to do to
really make that happen.
What they do is they turnaround and they spend all the
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money that they seemingly can.
I think that, with Trump havingDoge, come in and try to say,
hey, we're going to make thesecuts and we're going to save
this money.
I thought that was a step inthe right direction.
Now, these cuts and we're goingto save this money.
I thought that was a step inthe right direction.
Now the question becomes howserious were they?
How much did they actually tryto?
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Or how much is the Trumpadministration willing to
actually cut spending?
Are they serious about deficitspending?
It doesn't seem that they are.
So now you have Musk who'ssaying, okay, I'm out, or Trump
saying you're out, depending onwhich perspective you want to
look at, but not without a shotfired.
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So as Musk is going out thedoor, he drops a bomb and says,
well, trump's in the Epsteinfiles.
This reminds me of the movieAmerican Beauty.
If you haven't seen that, kevinSpacey is the lead.
They don't really say I thinkhe sells ads or he's in
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marketing or something.
And basically he's brought inand told that he's getting fired
.
He's out the door for whateverreason, they're just laying him
off.
And Spacey basically says tothe guy well, okay, fine, I've
been here this long and ifyou're going to fire me, then
what's the severance?
And it's minor.
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And then he says well then, ifyou're not going to give me what
I want, who's to say that?
You didn't just ask me for asexual favor, and that's why
you're now firing me.
And the guy's like well, whatare you talking about?
And so he threatens to go to HR.
He says you can either give mea year of severance or I'm going
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to go to HR.
So he basically blackmails theguy and by doing that he drops
this bomb on him.
And it seems like Musk mighthave kind of done that, but he
did it in public.
He didn't just threaten Trump,he said hey, trump's in the
Epstein files.
The funny part about that is,if you've been following
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anything with the Epstein files,it's not a surprise that Trump
is named in there, it's zerosurprise at all no-transcript
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underage girl who had been hiredat Mar-a-Lago.
She's the daughter of a memberand she's babysitting, doing
babysitting services for themembers.
And Epstein comes in andbasically starts trying to
contact her, groom, her whateverword you want to use and, as
this is going on, she reports it.
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It goes up, hits Trump.
Trump goes ballistic and callsthe authorities and says, hey,
this guy's a dirtbag, you needto investigate him.
And so that's the start of thewhole Epstein drama.
Because then, if you know thestory, epstein drama, because
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then, if you know the story, thepowers that be went in and
investigated quote unquote,investigated Epstein, and then
they basically passed a sentence.
It was a slap on the wrist, itbasically wasn't anything.
And when this all happened,then there was a second
prosecution that came in andsaid whoa, wait a minute, why is
he only getting this?
He's being charged withsomething really serious and you
guys are giving him amisdemeanor charge.
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And then it kind of blew up andwe're now at the Epstein that
we know.
That includes Prince Andrewandrew.
Uh, bill gates didn't want anyof this out.
That's why he was so opposed totrump, because trump was going
to release the epstein files andso he was pushing against trump
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and etc.
Etc.
So what's in the epstein files?
I don't know.
I I think that we have aprobably a pretty good
percentage, but then you againyou have kind of this weird
backtracking, I guess, becausethe second, the guy, number two
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guy in the FBI, thinking on hisname who was in charge of or had
radio host, and he was aconservative radio guy I don't
even know how to say his name,let me look it up.
Who is and I love Grok for this, by the way deputy director of
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the FBI, who was a radio host.
And I've had people say don'tuse Grok because it's biased,
but Grok actually does a reallygood job of it.
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So, bagino, he if you've watchedsome of his old clips, he was
on his radio show saying oh,there's all this stuff in there.
We're being misled.
And if anybody tells you thatthere's not this stuff against
these guys like Gates andClinton and more celebrities,
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they're just full of crap.
We're not being told what weneed to know.
You know, know, it's beinghidden.
Then he gets put in as thedeputy director of the fbi and
last week I think it was he cameout and said no, I've seen it
all, there's nothing extra inthere.
Um, epstein killed himself.
I I've seen the file that saysthey went in and he was checked
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and the guards didn't check himand when they did he was dead
and it's all above board.
So here's a guy who is making acareer of being on the radio,
tv podcasting whatever service.
You watched him who saysanybody who tells you that there
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wasn't more to the Epsteindeath and Epstein files is lying
, is full of it.
He gets into a position ofpower and remember, the Epstein
files have not been released in100%.
We have a pretty good chunk ofit.
We have a lot of data that hasbeen released by him.
It still has stuff that hasbeen censored.
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It's not everything.
And so here's a guy who now iscompletely changing his tune and
saying well, wait a minute,this is not what he was saying
before.
So I don't know what's in theEpstein files.
So I don't know what's in theEpstein files.
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I know that, as my experience asa prison guard is limited.
I was a guard at Guantanamo Bay, if you didn't know, for nine
months, years and years, decadesago, and when we were there, we
had very specific rules.
Now, our facility was verydifferent in that you could look
in every cell.
Uh, because of how, how thecells were, it was actually the
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diamond cut, uh plating, so you,so it was whole.
So it was like a screen, aheavy duty screen, that you
could see everything through theentire thing.
The only place you didn't havethat we had some isolation cells
, that they were individuals,that you could look through the,
the slot, and you could seethem.
But everywhere else you saw you, you could theoretically see
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from one end of the of the tierall the way through to the other
side, and we had uh 48, so 24on each side and we were on.
You were told every half houryou had to walk, somebody had to
walk down and back, down andback, and it was generally more
than that, because if you wentby, the really official and one
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of each person and there werefour on a block, and so while we
were there, you really you onlyneeded to be able to see 12
down and you got bored.
So you were walking back andforth pretty much all the time
and even at nighttime you had tohave somebody.
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You were supposed to havesomebody up on the edge of the
block on each side, but ofcourse you didn't.
But they were supposed to walksomebody up on the edge of the
block on each side, but ofcourse you didn't.
But they were supposed to walkback and forth at least once
every 10, 15 minutes and we didthat consistently.
We never had a.
When I was there we didn't haveanybody suicide.
We had an attempted.
That was not on my shift.
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That ended up at the NavalHospital who had some pretty
significant brain damage, butthat was not on my shift.
That ended up at the Navalhospital who had some pretty
significant brain damage, butthat was not on my shift.
We had another guy on my shiftwho, specifically, he was up on,
he tied, tied himself off, andhe was hooked up on this cell
and he was holding himself up onthe bed where, if he had
dropped, he would have startedchoking.
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If he had done it in a fabriche used.
If I had dropped he would havestarted choking.
If he had done it in fabric heused.
If I remember right, he hadtorn his sheet, but it was not
something.
I don't think the fall wouldhave broken his neck.
So we had the guard come.
We started to have the guardcome down.
We were all there ready to goin.
I'm literally right there wherethe door opens.
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The door opens, I'm one or twonumber one or two inside Inside
the cell would have been liftinghim up.
We had somebody come down, thepsychologist come down, was able
to talk him down, and so he didnot attempt.
That is a far cry from whathappened with Epstein, because
he was in a high security prison.
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He was also on suicide watch,right?
So when you're on suicide watchat least in Guantanamo and I
know from my prison guardfriends when you're on suicide
watch, the garment that theygive you they take away your
clothes, they take away yoursheet.
It is material, it's a smock,it's a suicide smock,
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anti-suicide smock, so you can'trip it, you can't tear it, you
can't do anything to it so thatyou could use it to facilitate
arming yourself.
And I've got to presume thatthat's what Epstein was in was
in a suicide prevention smock.
So now you've got a guy who isin a cell by himself, which not
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really sure why he never shouldhave been in a cell by himself.
Two, the guards weren'twatching.
Three, the cameras go out.
And four, and the biggest oneis the conspiracy.
Now I'm going conspiracy here,tin hat.
The conspiracy is that he hadbroken bones in his neck that
were inconsistent with a hangingand that's where you got to go,
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okay, well, wait a minute.
So what happened here?
Okay, do I think that BillClinton sent assassins?
I don't know.
I'm not claiming that.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that I don't knowwhat happened in that cell
because nobody knows.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that I don't knowwhat happened in that cell
because nobody knows.
But it seems unlikely, fromwhat I know about maximum
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security prisons and fromsuicide prevention in prisons,
that he would have had theability to hang himself on his
own without anybody there.
And the circumstances againcamera goes out, the guards
don't do their job.
Well, look the guards.
Oh no, they didn't do their job.
Well, that's where theconspiracies start to come in.
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So for Musk to say that Trump isin the Epstein files okay, not
a surprise, because he probablyis again, but the reason why
he's there.
So now you have Trump turnaround.
And this is where I think it'skind of funny.
Trump turns around and says,well, maybe we should explore
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canceling the differentgovernment contracts that Musk
has, but not really thinkingwhat that meant.
And I think we all knowPresident Trump likes to shoot
off a tweet without necessarilythinking about all the
consequences that go along withthat tweet.
Or I guess he doesn't tweet, hedoes it on true social, but it
ends up as a tweet.
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So he says maybe we should doall this.
And Musk kind of giggles andlaughs and says, okay, well, I
guess we should decommissionSpace Dragon.
So the Musk corporations thathave been flying the astronauts
back up and down to theInternational Space Station,
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that's Musk, that's a Muskcorporation.
Those are all on federalgovernments through his
corporations.
And so he's like, okay, well, Iguess we can just decommission
that.
And suddenly it's like, oh,wait, wait, that's a bad idea.
We like our astronauts to beable to come back to Earth.
Nasa currently is not very goodat getting anything done, so
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maybe, just maybe, let's holdoff on that.
And that was musk actuallyturned around and said, yeah,
okay, well, we won'tdecommission that, we'll, we'll
keep it going.
But I think that also was thatwas probably, if not trump, that
was probably some uh, very highofficials letting trump or
letting musk know that theywould very much like him to keep
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his contracts and keep theability to go and get astronauts
back and forth from theInternational Space Station, et
cetera, in play.
So now, where are we at?
We're, at the staff now tryingto get Musk to come in, or I'm
not sure they're trying to getMusk to come in.
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They're trying to smoothwhatever is going on between
Trump and Musk.
I think that Trump will likelyI don't want to say swallow his
pride, but I think Trump willlikely come out with something
that mends the fence, towhatever degree, and he'll do it
in his way.
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That seems like he's not reallybacking down or he'll just
ignore what happened.
I think Trump has a way of justsaying well, nope, that didn't
happen, even though we all knowsomething happened and so he'll
do it that way.
I think Musk will just continueon his merry way.
But the thing I think that'sgoing to be really interesting
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is the reaction from the lefttowards Musk.
Now, remember, musk used to bea hero on the left because of
the Tesla movement and the EVsand all the stuff that Musk was
doing for what they believedwere environmental reasons.
I personally think Musk saw amarket and he went for it, which
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I don't blame him.
I think more than anything, helikes the idea of having as much
money as he possibly can, whichso be it.
So it's going to be interestingto see how the left reacts to
Musk now.
Are they going to bring himback into?
If not, his good graces?
Just leave him alone.
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We saw how many acts ofvandalism against Tesla owners
which is, by the way, justabsolutely ridiculous, because
just because you own a cardoesn't mean you're endorsing
the owner.
I just bought a Toyota.
Well, not just Last year, Ibought an old Toyota pickup
truck.
Does that mean I endorse?
I don't know who the CEO ofFord is.
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I believe he actually is one ofthe grandchildren of Ford,
though I think he's one of thefamily members, but the others I
don't know.
Honda, I don't know Nissan, noidea.
Last I saw it, nissan was goingto try to merge with one of
them to become like number four.
I don't remember who Nissan wasthinking of merging with.
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It might have been Honda, butall this stuff just makes me
laugh because it's just soridiculous.
Nobody's representing America atthis point.
You have the Republicans, whoare being stupid with money,
just like Democrats always are.
Democrats have been even morerecklessly.
The Biden bill that wassupposed to control inflation.
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Well, it did something toinflation.
It wasn't controlling it, itmade inflation go 10% and higher
for certain quarters.
And so Trump comes in and yeah,okay, if you like what trump's
been doing.
There are things about trump sofar that I do like.
Love that the border is, if notsecure, legal people coming
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across the border has gone to atrickle.
The people that have overstayedtheir welcome and their visas
are being asked to leave.
Those who came illegal arebeing given a quote, unquote,
humanitarian way to leave.
I believe the offer is we willfly you to your country, back to
your country, and give you athousand dollars.
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Ok, I mean, as far as economicsgo, that that does make sense.
As far as economics go, thatdoes make sense.
So, okay, liberty, I don't knowhow to put your comment.
Oh, there we go.
I have not run this by.
If the Republicans aren't stupidwith money, they'll lose in the
midterms and the nextpresidential election too.
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Yes, I think they will, andthat's part of what's going on.
But at the same time hey, bythe way, liberty, shoot me if my
sound is better.
I got a new microphone.
Sound is better, or I need toadjust.
Let me know because KJ wasn'there where I could do it before
the show.
Yeah, a big part of it is oh,thank you.
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Okay, good, so the mic wasworth it.
So, yeah, that's a big problem.
But here's the Republicans.
Being bad with money is one ofthose things that just ticks me
off, because they run as fiscalconservatives and then when they
get in power, they spend likeDemocrats.
But when Democrats are in power, they spend like drunken
Democrats.
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And so would I rather haveRepublicans who are in and going
to increase the deficitspending to a trillion dollars a
year, more than it is already,or do I want Democrats who are
in, who have spent two trillionmore?
Well, of course, the lesser oftwo evils is the Democrats and
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the Republicans in that case,but what frustrates me is they
don't.
Nobody wants to be real aboutthe situation.
This is a third rail situation,where they're not looking at
the things that have to be spenton.
Okay, you have thesediscretionary funds, things that
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you can choose, and you haveentitlements which have to be
spent, and nobody's being real.
So Republicans have to spend orthey'll get voted out as though
we won't fix spending until wehave a real financial disaster.
I agree.
It's as though we won't fixspending, and you're absolutely
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right.
I think at some point, kj and Ihave talked about this you want
to talk about a civil war inAmerica.
I don't think it's going to beracial.
I don't think it's going to bewhite versus black or white
versus non-white.
It's going to be poor versusnon-poor, because I think what's
going to happen in the next 10to 20 years, if not sooner, so
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within the next 20 years, you'regoing to have austerity.
Somebody's going to come in andpush the government for true
austerity If you don't know whatausterity is.
Austerity is where you have toreally tighten your belt and you
really have to be serious aboutcutting spending.
So you're going to have peoplethat get there.
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Yes, I can see that, kj.
So you're going to have peoplethat are going to come in and
legitimately say, hey, we needto fix this.
And that's when they're goingto say so instead of your
benefits right now, consistentlyincreasing COLA, cost of living
allowance for retirees, formilitary, for Medicare, medicaid
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Now, of course, some of thoseare not directly.
You know, medicaid is not adirect payment, but SNAP.
You've already seen thesedifferent things of entitlement
programs, when they say we haveto go from 100% of what you're
getting right now to 70% or elseit's going to be insolvent.
That's when you're going to havepeople freak out and that's
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when I think you might have somereal violence in this country.
We went through that.
We saw it in Greece, I believe,about 20 years ago.
They had to come in becausethey owed so much money to the
EU and they still do and becausethey they went through
austerity.
There was a lot of violence,and I think that's where you're
going to see a real trigger or areal the fuse that that is
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going to be lit Now.
Until then, liberty isabsolutely right the Republicans
are going to keep spending whenthey're in power and when
they're not in power, they'regoing to complain that the
Democrats are spending and theDemocrats are going to continue
to spend, but they're going tofight, or at least act like
they're fighting, against it,because right now they are
looking at it saying, well, wedon't like these tax cuts,
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because then only the rich getthe tax cuts, which is not true.
There's tax cuts across theboard.
However, if you're going tocontinue to spend, it doesn't
matter if you're a Republican ora Democrat, you're still
spending this country into theabyss and we're going to
eventually go off the cliff andit's going to be a bad situation
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.
Now there's one thing that, inmy opinion, there's one thing
that could happen that wouldkeep that disaster from
occurring, and it's actually outof somewhat dumb luck actually
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out of somewhat dumb luck InAmerica, north America,
specifically in the ColoradoRocky area, which goes from
Arizona well into Canada up intoEdmonton and those regions,
there is more oil shale in NorthAmerica than the rest of the
world combined.
In North America than the restof the world combined.
Now oil shale can be used toproduce petroleum.
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Now petroleum is what you needfor everything.
Oil gets turned to petroleum.
Petroleum gets turned into gas,into plastics, into asphalt,
into pretty much your phone, themicrophone, the headphones
Everything that you use usespetroleum-based products.
Unfortunately, there'spetroleum-based product in food,
in a lot of our food.
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Even so, if we are forced toactually go in and refine oil
shale, that is something that,if we start to get good at it
and we actually make a effort toprogress the technology, then
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oil shale will be our savinggrace because we'll be able to
produce enough petroleum that wewill be significant exporters.
Right now we export a smallamount of petroleum into the
world market.
But the other part is if we areable to go in and we're able to
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start using places like Anwarprovince up in Alaska which I
kind of laugh, because everytime you talk about Anwar
province or the New York Timestalks about Anwar province I saw
this last week.
It's one of the last pristinewilderness areas in America.
Yeah, because you can't getthere.
It's almost impossible to getup there and during half of the
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year it's covered in ice and youcan't get there at all.
So of course it's a pristinewilderness because nobody goes
there, nobody wants to go there,nobody can go there, nobody can
go there.
You might go there during thesummer months and be able to get
up there by plane a six oreight hour flight from Juneau
land, be there for a littlewhile in a few months and come
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back at most.
So of course it's a pristinewilderness, but there's ways to
drill and there's ways to makeit efficient and you wouldn't be
out deep in the shelf like youwere with the Deepwater Horizon,
where, if there's an accident,you're going to have billions of
well, millions, if not billionsof gallons of oil.
You can build the pipeline, youcan do it in a way that you
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could do it through thepermafrost, et cetera.
That would also again lead toUS energy independence and being
a major exporter.
And if we become a majorexporter, look at what Saudi
Arabia, look at what Qatar, lookat what the Middle Eastern
countries.
That is how they have theirpower, that is how they have the
money to do what they're doingbecause of oil.
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If you're old enough to remember, or you've seen reruns, or I
don't even think they have Nickat Night anymore there was a
show, the Beverly Hillbillies.
It's about Jed Clampett, who'sa hillbilly in Southern America
it doesn't really say where theaccent would make you believe
Kentucky, tennessee, louisiana,area and as the opening song
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goes, he's out shooting for somefood, takes a shot and up
through the ground comesbubbling crude.
And in the very first episodehe's talking to his I believe
it's his sister or some familyrelation who is not as backwater
redneck as he is.
I think redneck is whatClampett is.
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He's definitely a redneck.
And so they say, oh, so the oilcompanies come out and they're
going to give you some money.
He says, yeah, but they'regoing to pay me with something
he's like what do you mean?
A new kind of?
There's no new dollars.
He said something like amillion dollar and she's gasping
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.
Now, remember, this is supposedto be in the 60s.
So millions and millions ofdollars, and I believe at one
point I could be wrong, but Ibelieve they offer him somewhere
.
It's around 200 or $250 million, if I remember early on.
I started re-watching it lastyear and so I got through there
like the first season.
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I believe they say it'ssomewhere north of $200 million
that he was given Moves toBeverly Hills.
Well, that is how the MiddleEast has made their money is
because oil production in theMiddle East had had until
recently is dwarfed everywhereelse.
Now America, if you don't know,america has enough oil to be
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energy independent and ourbiggest importers are two
biggest importers we import fromCanada and Mexico and then the
Middle East.
So there is a ton of oil hereand that's the only way I think
we're going to actually avert afinancial disaster and a
collapse economically is ifwe're able to start using those
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resources.
If we start using the liquefiednatural gas, lng, if we start
really using oil shale andproducing oil shale, we can
avert both of those and convertthose into energy and avert a
financial crisis.
They talk about fossil fuels.
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They, of course, hate fossilfuels.
None of them want to talk tochina, which puts out the
majority of fossil fuelpollution in the world.
They more than 50 percent ofthat fossil fuel pollution now
is from china, and I believeindia is a close second well,
not a close second, but becausethey're not a majority also.
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But but India and China put outmore pollution, I believe, than
any other the rest of the worldcombined, right.
So you have theseenvironmentalists who come in
and they're complaining to theUS, but they'll never go to
China.
They'll never go to India andcomplain about there, because
China will.
Hey, you know what if GretaThornburg think, if Greta
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Thornburg showed up and startedprotesting in China about their
pollution, how fast would she bearrested?
Yeah, that's why they don't goprotest, because China is an
authoritarian government.
They don't put up with thiscrap.
And so for anybody who saysAmerica is an authoritarian
government, as soon as you startgetting arrested because you're
calling it an authoritarian,then you might have a bit of an
(37:34):
argument.
But until then, it's notauthoritarian because you can
complain about it.
Authoritarian governments don'tlet you complain that they're
authoritarian.
So I think that that is onething that is going to be
potentially a lifesaver forAmerica.
Unintentionally or just out ofdumb luck, but we do need
nuclear power.
If the technology advances,where we can start using solar
(37:59):
to a larger degree, fine.
If we can start usinggeothermic, great.
If we can use hydroelectric,awesome.
Hydroelectric.
Is not going to happen, though,as our dams continue to get
older, because we can't buildnew dams again because of
environmentalists.
Nuclear power all theseenvironmentalists think that
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every power plant is anotherChernobyl.
That's not possible.
Going to happen.
It's going to happen is goingto happen.
While nuclear power isabsolutely the most efficient
and cleanest energy the worldcan produce.
Now, remember efficient andclean, because if you start
talking about just clean, well,there's some different things
(38:42):
you can use between.
Geothermic is extremely clean,wave power is extremely clean,
but we're not there with thetechnology to be able to do that
.
So until we get the technologyadvances, then nuclear power is
the way to go.
And again, drill, baby drill.
We need to go in and startdoing that.
So to get back to Musk andTrump.
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So to get back to Musk andTrump.
So I think that you're going tohave.
Musk is going to be redeemed onthe left to some degree,
because, especially if he goesfull anti-Trump, if he goes full
Trump derangement syndrome, ifhe goes and full out TDS and
starts not just saying thingslike, well, we disagree, but if
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he goes full on attack mode onTrump, I think the left will
welcome him back with open arms,because it's not about Musk at
that point, it's about beinganti-Trump.
And so we'll see what happenswith Musk and Trump.
I think Musk is in a very uniqueposition, though.
Musk sent out a poll and Ibelieve the response was around
(39:52):
400, I'm sorry, 150,000 people.
It might have been more, Ididn't, I saw.
When I clicked on it, I sawthat that was the number, maybe
more.
And he said should a newpolitical party be started in
America that would represent the80 percent of voters in the
middle and overwhelmingly yesand and.
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Musk is actually in a veryunique position.
Musk could actually start thatparty.
He can't run in that party forpresident.
He could run as Senate or Houseor whatever, but he actually
has the money that could promotewhat I would call something
(40:36):
like the whether it'sindependent American party,
whether it's just the Americanparty, the American
constitutional party, the reformAmerican party, the American
Constitutional Party, the ReformAmerican Party, the Reform
Party in England, just crushed.
Whatever you want to call it,let's call it the Independent
American Party.
(40:56):
Iap has a nice ring to it.
If Trump I'm sorry, not Trump,not Trump if Musk was willing to
pump significant amounts ofmoney into a new party and when
I say significant, I'm talkingabout billions and billions of
(41:18):
dollars annually, I think to getit off the ground, if he were
to start a party today with theintent of having an independent
American party candidate, aviable, viable person this is
not just hey, the libertarians.
Libertarians have been tryingthis for years.
Libertarians haven't got about3% of the vote, I don't think
(41:42):
since 2016,.
I think they came close to 3%,but it wasn't significant.
They didn't win a single seat.
They didn't win anything.
So you have to get seats in theHouse, you have to get seats in
the Senate and then you have tohave a president.
So if your plan is to runsomebody for 2028, I'm not even
sure if that's really possible,but you'd have to start
(42:05):
initially today.
My guess is somewhere around $5billion.
You'd have to invest in peopleand ground and infrastructure
for a party, let alone themarketing.
He has the marketing wingalready on X.
He could probably flood themarket with pro-Independent
American Party.
I don't know what the financiallaws would be for that, because
(42:28):
there are some fair financiallaws that if you give X amount
of time to this party, you haveto give to that party so he
could promote maybe anIndependent American Party
before it even exists withouthaving to do that.
But once you do that, there aresome finance campaign laws and
such media laws that would makeit difficult.
(42:48):
But if he invested $5 billionthis year, then next year
probably get away with $2billion and then $2 billion in
27 and then ramp it up.
Well, okay, so we're countingthis year as the election year,
presidential election year.
So let's say $5 billion thisyear, $2.5 billion next year,
(43:32):
$2.5 billion the year after thatand then another $15 billion of
stock in Tesla, in whatever heowns, and set that aside
specifically for a newindependent party $15 billion.
I think you could actually haveviability in the 2028 election.
Do I think they could win?
I don't know, because reallythe only time we've ever had
(43:57):
modern history, the only timewe've had a third party, was
Ross Perot got around 20% of thevote in 1992, and he actually
took more from Bush Sr.
I think most analysts agreethat if Perot hadn't run, Bush
Sr actually likely wins.
Now that's all conjecture, sowho knows?
But I don't think that if Muskwanted to start a third party,
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he wouldn't want to do it as aspoiler.
He would want somebody to comein and actually win.
Then you would have the mediafreaking out and the right and
the left I'm sorry, not theright and the left, the
Democrats and the Republicans,not the right and the left the
Democrats and the Republicanswould freak out and the media
(44:45):
would freak out that now thecountry is run by oligarchs.
Here you have one oligarch, youhave one guy in Musk who's
coming in and basically creatinga party that he is obviously in
charge of.
He's funding it.
So of course anybody who's anindependent American party is is
(45:06):
in the pocket of Musk, etcetera.
You would absolutely have thatargument because, especially
from the media, because themedia is in the pocket of the
Democrats.
They are the Democrats in inlarge, in a large way.
Yes, of course, for every FoxNews, and I get it.
Fox News is on the right.
Yes, but Fox News is, and I getit.
Fox News is on the right, yes,but Fox News is one outlet.
(45:28):
Okay, for every one Fox Newsthere's a CNN, a CNBC, an MSNBC,
an NBC, an ABC, a CBS News, hln.
Everybody else is hard left,middle to hard left, and Fox
News, at best, is lean right.
(45:51):
They are not a hard right.
They are not a conservativenews organization.
They just seem like a hardright compared to everybody else
, but they're really not.
They're lean right.
So if you had Musk come in andfund and I think Musk would
obviously come out with otherI'd like to see other
billionaires come in and do thatOkay, cool, make it a truly
(46:12):
independent, but dump the moneyin and then step away and let it
go.
Won't happen.
They want something out of it.
Because if you're Bezos, let'ssay, if you're Bezos and what
you've done with the WashingtonPost, which took a hard hard, if
not the most hard leftnewspaper and made it just hard
(46:34):
left and pissed off a bunch ofyour staff by not endorsing
Harris If he could do that,would he be willing to actually
put some money in and then stepaway?
Would Zuckerberg be willing toput some money in and step away?
Would Soros?
I don't think Soros would.
(46:55):
I think Soros wants to be thathard left guy and his son.
He's passing that on to his sonand hard left.
But if you had these guys whoare actually willing to come in
Bill Gates, I don't know, heacts like a moderate.
He says he's a moderate.
I don't necessarily believehe's a moderate, but if you
could literally have a middle ofthe road party, even if it was
(47:20):
initially funded by oligarchs,well, what's different than what
we have right now?
If you don't think theRepublican Party and the
Democratic Party are run byoligarchs, you're insane.
Where do you think the money'scoming from?
And you can say well, theDemocrats.
It's not really oligarchs, it'sjust Soros.
(47:41):
First of all, soros, hugeoligarch, right.
But take it the next step andyou can argue they are not
oligarchs.
But the unions act likeoligarchs.
Okay, the unions make hundredsof millions of dollars of
donations to only one side ofthe aisle and they have billions
of dollars in their coffers.
(48:01):
So they're absolutely asoligarchs all right, as
oligarchs, and it's the same.
Don't get me wrong, it's thesame.
On the Republican side.
The Republicans havecorporations that are worth
(48:21):
billions of dollars that aregoing in and funding everything
the Republicans do thegrassroots stuff.
Yeah, okay, there's grassrootsand there are people that go in
and donate their grandmas, youknow that go in and donate their
$5 to this or $5 to that party,but that's not where the
money's coming from.
The money's coming from massivecorporations, from oligarchs
that have billions of dollarsthat they can use, and on both
(48:44):
sides, is it the Adelman familythat runs the casinos that was
so pro-Trump?
I believe that's the name.
I could be wrong.
I'm not doing great with namesright now and if KJ is here I
could actually look it up, butKJ is not here.
So you have these differentpeople that come in and they
(49:05):
could fund absolutely they couldfund an independent American
party, and I would love to seeElon Musk do that.
I think that he could actuallyget some really moderate people
in the middle.
Now, I am not a moderate.
I will tell you right now.
(49:27):
I am a conservative.
People might label me as farright.
I am a conservative, far rightin terms of I believe in the
Constitution.
I am a constitutional literalist.
I think what's in theConstitution was written into
the Constitution.
That's how it should be.
(49:51):
I don't think there's a ton ofroom for interpretation of the
Constitution.
I think the Constitution waswritten pretty plainly,
especially the Bill of Rightsand the 27 amendments.
I think they are written in away that, for the most part, you
can read them pretty clearlyand when we get down into the
weeds, that's where the problemis.
I think if we had traditionalliteralists who are on the court
, you wouldn't have a lot of theproblems that we're having as
(50:13):
far as what's constitutional ornot, and I think that goes all
the way down to the lowest level, federal and state courts.
If they followed what theconstitution actually said, I
think we'd be doing a lot betteras a country.
Okay, so Soros again.
Go back to Soros.
He was pushing that.
He's really smart and he wentin, and he was pushing for a lot
(50:35):
of people that were at the DAlevel DAs become judges.
He's been trying to influencejudges, judge elections which,
by the way, is insane thatjudges can be elected, like in
Wisconsin.
You're voting for somebody tobe a judge.
How is that not based on merit?
I think it's crazy that youvote on judges, but you could do
(50:58):
it, and Musk is in a uniqueposition that he could actually
lead the charge for aindependent American party, and
I hope he does it.
I hope he does, I hope he goesout and he gets everybody we
talk about right now.
The far right and the far leftare the only ones that are
(51:20):
actually listened to, and Idon't know about the far right
because the far right, to me,when you talk about the far
right, the far right getsshunned as they should.
When you're talking aboutpeople that are Nazis, when
you're talking about people thatare white supremacists, when
you talk about people that KJwould say white Christian
(51:43):
nationalists, yeah, absolutely.
If you are so far right thatyou are okay with any type of
violence against other people,yeah, I'm not okay, I'm not down
with you.
I'm not that far right.
Again, I'm a conservative.
If you're on the far left andyou push for far leftists, you
(52:03):
push for socialism, evencommunism.
If you think the chas up inseattle was a great idea, they
should block a, have, have blockparties and let what happens in
the chas stays in the chas,which included, by the way, if
you don't know this seattle hadhad that section that was
(52:24):
blocked off called the chas thatdidn't allow the police in.
They had sexual assaults, rapesthat were going on in the CHAZ
that they were quote-unquote,dealing with it themselves.
They wouldn't even call thepolice when a woman was getting
raped, when women got raped.
That's how out there that was.
So the people on the far leftthat want things like that,
(52:45):
they're the leaders of theDemocratic Party.
People are talking about AOC asa presidential candidate.
She is about as far cuckoo leftas you can get in this country.
But is she a Maoist?
Yeah, I think she.
(53:06):
I think you could probably makesome pretty good arguments that
she is a Maoist communist, thatshe is right, in line with what
the Chinese government is.
Now, that is not a personalattack.
I am not attacking AOC.
I'm saying her policies, justto be very clear.
I don't want to run into any ofthe issues that come in with
(53:26):
being military and talking aboutpeople in Congress.
So there is a significantdifference in America between
the far right and the far left.
The far right gets shunnedrightfully.
The far left gets embracedstrangely, which is crazy to me.
Which is crazy to me Because ifyou want to say what is the
most destructive form of noteven government, just the most
(53:51):
destructive thing in the last150 years is communism.
It's not even close between youknow.
People will say it's NaziNazism.
It's not the Nazis.
Yeah, the Nazis absolutelykilled 10 million, 15 million
people, maybe 20 million.
(54:11):
If you include Russian warcasualties and the numbers
involved between everybodyinvolved in World War II, it's
probably somewhere north of 20million no-transcript Because of
(54:44):
communism in the world in thelast hundred years.
So it's not even close.
And yet communism.
If you had an elected official,somebody who's running to be an
elected official in certainparts of this country, who said,
yeah, I'm a communist, seattle,for example, okay, they're a
(55:04):
viable candidate.
They may or may not win, butthere have been actual
communists on the ticket thathave run in Seattle, I'm sure in
Portland there's some.
I bet you dollars to donuts inSan Francisco and other parts of
the US that people have run ascommunists that are embraced.
And I'm not talking to you know, 70 years ago the communists
(55:27):
were getting hunted down andwhat was going on?
There were not hunted down butthey were trying to be exposed
by McCarthy and some of thosethings.
But nowadays they're beingembraced.
If somebody came out and saidI'm going to run as a Nazi,
they'd get nowhere.
(55:47):
They'd get no votes.
They might not even get theirfamily to vote for them.
So that's the difference On theleft, the idea that communism,
which again is the worst form ofgovernment that the world has
seen, would get votes.
Nazism, which is arguably thesecond worst form, would get no
(56:07):
votes, which is crazy to me.
How can people in this countryvote and think communism is okay
and somehow think Nazism andI'm not saying Nazism is okay,
I'm saying Nazism is horribleabsolutely the second worst of
any choice of government youcould go with would be Nazi.
(56:29):
But the number one is communism.
How anybody in this countrythinks communism is okay and
this argument, well, it hasn'tbeen tried.
Real communism hasn't beentried Then you are an absolute
idiot.
Absolute idiot.
And the people that are sayingthat are sitting with communists
with their apple computers,apple laptops, their levi's
(56:51):
jeans, their birkenstocks,getting in ubers and driving
around in in cars that are arevolkswagen made in germany.
So the idea is just.
It blows me away what the farleft in this country does.
I hope that Trump and Musk areable to at least mend defenses
(57:12):
to a degree that it doesn'tbecome a distraction and it was
a distraction to me.
I've talked for almost an houron Trump and Musk and I didn't
even talk about what's going onin Los Angeles with the
immigration raids, which is anabsolute fiasco, which I think
(57:33):
that the National Guard comingin is probably the right move.
I have friends that areconcerned that the National
Guard, including KJ, could turninto a National Guard situation
of Kent State or of the Southfrom the civil rights era.
I don't think so.
Personally, I don't thinkthat's the way it will go.
So I only have about twominutes and I would click the
(58:00):
loud thoughts button, but Idon't know where it is.
I think KJ might have, maybe.
Oh no, that's not it.
So let's not do that.
I'm not, I am not going tochange anything, but my final
thoughts are this If you aregoing to come in this country
illegally, you need to leave.
(58:21):
If you are fighting lawenforcement that is trying to
remove people that are hereillegally and you are actively
committing violence againstfederal agencies such as ICE,
department of Homeland Security,local police, the National
Guard, you need to be arrestedand you need to be thrown in
jail.
And if you're illegally heredoing this, you need to be
(58:44):
arrested and deported on thequickest way out.
You should be dumped inwhatever country you're from.
Gtfo, get the family out, goback to the country that you're
from.
I don't care if you are fromMexico, guatemala, canada,
ireland, sweden, african country.
(59:05):
Insert African country hereChina.
If you're here illegally andyou are supporting any of these
riots, you should be arrestedand deported.
If you're here legally andyou're supporting it, I think
you should be charged.
I think this is basically aterroristic act If you are
creating a mob against dulylicensed and vetted law
(59:29):
enforcement agents.
So there you go.
I don't know if KG will be nextweek.
I hope KG is here next week.
If not, if it's going to be mefor another hour.
I don't think any of us wantthat.
For those of you that werewatching tonight, love you, hope
you're here.
Liberty, thanks for the littlebit of input.
(59:51):
Glad, thank you for letting meknow.
The microphone works a littlebit better too, and with that I
will call it the end of thenight.
You guys all have a good night.
Next week.
Same bat time, same bat channel.
Chief man, what do you want todo tonight?
(01:00:16):
The same thing we do everynight.
Pinky, try to take over theworld.
All right, yo, let's get intoit.
Try to take over the world.
Yep, preaching, take over theworld.
Chaplain in the world.
Take over the world.
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