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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What do you want to do tonight?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
The same thing we do every night.
Pinky, Try to take over theworld.
Alright, yo, let's get into it.
Try to take over the world.

Speaker 1 (00:18):

Speaker 2 (00:24):
The hands of the greatest chaplain in the world,
mr Lance O'Neill.
And the greatest chaplain inthe world, mr Lance O'Neal,
what's up?
What's up?
What's up everybody.
It's your boy, kj, and thegreatest chaplain in the world,
mr Lance O'Neal, and we are backfor this very special, very,
very special in the world, mrLance O'Neill, and we are back

(00:46):
for this very special, very,very special Mother's Day
edition of Two Pogues.
Thanks for joining us.
What's up, chappy?
How you doing, how was yourMother's Day?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Pretty good.
It's funny, my wife doesn'tcook very often, but she
actually cooked tonight.
Afterwards I was kind oflaughing like the one.
The one Sunday I don't cookMother's Day, but that's why I
look at it.
Mother's Day is every day.
It should just be one daysaying how much you love your
mother.
But you know, I should probablycall my mom after this.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah you should definitely call it before
midnight.
All right, for those of youguys who have been following
along.
We were expecting to havefuturist Jesse Hurst on board
with us.
He's running a little bit late,having some technical
difficulties over there in thegreat up north, so hopefully
he'll be able to jump on the poda little bit later, but in the
meantime we got more than enoughpolitical chaos to talk about

(01:40):
in our own little space of theworld.
Chaffee, let's say we jump intoit.
My brother, let's get hot andheavy.
I got two words for you.
I got two words for you.
Abias Corbin, let's go.
You already knew, you know, youknow it was coming, you know we
had to talk about it All right.
So you know, you know I've beenready to call this

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administration the F word.
I think they are definitely2025 version of a fascist regime
.
You got Stephen Miller outthere running point and the dude
is literally step by step withthe playbook.
They got the people in place.
I think we just added what?

(02:25):
Janine Pirio for her headattorney in DC.
Are you ready yet?
Are you ready yet?
Oh, we still are we still wait.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Judge Perino, are we talking about an actual judge
who has been a practicing lawyerand a practicing judge on the
bench?
That is a very at least.
That is a very at least she'squalified.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
You can't, she's not qualified he is absolutely
qualified, but that is a verylow standard for and I will give
you that, given the we can getinto, the nomination of which
makes absolutely no sense.
But let's go.
Let's start with habeas corpusfirst.
Let let's talk about it.
What do you?

Speaker 3 (03:03):
think.
Well, first, if you don't knowwhat habeas corpus is, it's
basically that anybody who isarrested or for whatever
necessary reason has the rightto demand habeas corpus, which
is to be physically present infront of a judge.
Okay, so one of the big issuesright now is people getting

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deported and claiming well, nowthey want habeas corpus, they
want to be in front of the judgebefore they are sent out of the
country.
And so then the questionbecomes well, is habeas corpus
protected constitutionally?
The answer is mostly becausethe legislature can, in fact,
suspend habeas corpus under theConstitution.

(03:48):
It has been suspended as wellpreviously.
Now it's been a while.
I know Abraham Lincolnsuspended habeas corpus during
during the Civil War so a littlewhile ago, 60 years ago but he
was using it under the WarPowers Act, which is actually
very similar to what Trump iskind of doing.

(04:09):
He's saying look, this is anassault on American sovereignty
and the people that are here areillegal, are not only here
illegal, but they are a real andpresent danger to citizens of
the United States whether theybe gangbangers, whether they be
murderers, rapists, but thenthey're extending it all the way

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down to.
Well, you are.
It's tough, because all the waydown to are you supporting
Palestine, which is essentiallythe equivalent to supporting
Hamas which is a, the equivalentto supporting Hamas.
It is a terrorist organization.
So it's a nuance for sure.

(04:52):
It is a nuance for sure.
I understand.
I'm trying to argue it from theadministrative side.
I got you and this is why, yeah, you and I have talked about
this.
As far as the law, we like tothink the law is black and white
and this is what the law saysand this is how it is.
But if that was true, wewouldn't have lawyers.
So if the legislature wouldjust do a better job of saying

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this is what the law is andwrite it constitutionally to
begin with, we wouldn't havethese issues as habeas corpus
goes.
I will tell you firsthand myexperience with habeas corpus
was being a guard in Guantanamofrom 02 to 03.
So I was down there for abouteight months, nine months.
I'd like to consider myselfthat I was one of the good

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guards, meaning I just they werea guard.
You know they were detainees.
I was a guard.
I didn't go out of my way toharass them or do anything to
them to make them make theirlives any worse than it was.
I was like, hey, they're stillhuman beings as much, even
though they're the mostdangerous people in the world,
which I think was definitelyexaggeration for many of them,

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considering how many werereleased afterwards.
But one of the guys who wasdown there was funding for
Al-Qaeda.
He was a middleman and so hewas basically money laundering
and providing funds.
And so he the whole time oh no,I'm not, I wasn't that, I'm here

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by mistake.
I was just caught up.
Oh no, no, no, and he was kindof banking and I had a
conversation with this guy.
He had good English, I'm hereby mistake.
I was just caught up.
Oh no, no, no, and he was kindof banking and I had a
conversation with this guy.
I had good English and I had aconversation with him.
No-transcript.

(06:47):
Guantanamo Bay is nottechnically the United States.
And suddenly he started sayingwell, what can I tell you guys
to help my case?
And I said tell us what you know, and suddenly he started
singing like a little songbird,right?
So yeah, so the part of it forme is tough, because I get both

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sides.
You'll have people you included, I believe who say if you are
here illegally and even ifyou're a gang member, you have
to have the right of caviouscorpus, you have to be in front
of a judge and all that.
My problem is for a lot ofthese detainees I'm sorry, not

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detainees a lot of these peoplethat are in the country
illegally.
It's already gone through thejudge.
The judge has already writtenorders that say you're out.
Then ICE comes in and grabsthem.
Well, now, if they've alreadyhad their trial or their hearing
, I should say and the judge hasalready signed off on the
deportation order, but theydidn't appear do they still have

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the right to habeas corpus?
I think that's one of thenuances of this.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
In that case, that's cut and dry.
You had an opportunity to seethe judge.
You chose not to take thatopportunity.
Then, in my opinion, you got togo.
Where I have an issue with iswhere we're literally snatching
and grabbing people off of thestreet, sending them to
Venezuela and then being like,hey, my bad, this administration

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is getting extremely loose withregulations.
Right, they are.
They have found the magicloophole in the government where
it's better to ask forforgiveness than permission.
Call it what you want, butsnatching kids off the street
for protesting Hamas collegekids protest, right, that's what

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they do.
They protest.
You snatch kids off the street,you throw them in cages and
deport excuse me, deportationcenters right.
And then you hold them and say,oh, you don't have any rights
because you were supporting aterrorist group, because they
wrote an opinion piece.
That's sketch right.
Because now you're stretchingthe terrorist group because they
wrote an opinion piece.
That's sketch right.
Because now you're stretchingthe very limits of the
Constitution, right Is it?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
But is it Absolutely Okay?
So let's go.
Let's look at that a little bitdifferently.
Sure, anybody who's in this,let's say foreign national
students Sure, let's go withthem by themselves.
Yeah, a foreign nationalstudent has to's go with them by
themselves.
A foreign national student hasto have a green card I'm sorry,
a visa.
A student needs it to be inthis country.
If, at any point, the federalgovernment who issues the green

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card says we don't want you hereanymore, it can be literally
for any reason.
It can be we have too many kidshere.
We don't like the look of you.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
We don't like that.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
You didn't pay your rent on time.
We didn't like how you'rewalking down the street.
You pissed off the wrongcrossing guard right.
The federal government has aright to revoke the visa and
there's no habeas corpus there.
It's you have no visa.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
No, no no, that was it.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Right Now you need to GTFO, you need to get the
family out, right, okay.
So that's a little bitdifferent issue.
I pretty much have littleproblem on those.
When you're out protestingbecause again I support Israel
and I look at all this stuffthat's going on in Palestine
protesting because again, Isupport Israel and I I look at
all this stuff that's going onin Palestine and I've said, look

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, you didn't want this stuffgoing, you shouldn't have gone
in and done October 17th orOctober 7th.
You go in and kick a guy in theshin and say F you and he
catches you and puts you on theground and starts beating the
living crap out of you.
Well, you probably shouldn'tkick the guy in the shins.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh yeah, but you can't exterminate an entire race
of people for that, though.
That's what we started to getto.
That's what we started to getthe questionable, questionable
actions Right, like I meanIsrael if we were, if we were to
take the names off of thisaggression Right, let's say, we

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removed Israel and Palestine andwe just had country and country
B Right.
There is no international courtthat would not rule, rule this
as intended, intendederadication of a of a population
, and that is absolutely a warcrime.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
So here's why I disagree.
Now, I don't know what thenumbers exactly are right now,
but when you're looking at thepercentage of Israeli citizens
that died on that day, I believeit was close to 1% of the
population, from the terroristsand the hostages.
And all that Wait, no way.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
That was not a mass kill, sorry, 0.1%.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
I was going to say, yeah, no way, that was not a
mess.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Sorry, 0.1%.
I'm going to say, yeah, 1%.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah.
So I look at it like this and Isay, okay, so if you're going
to do that, and I'd be curiouswhat the actual percentage in.
Palestine is.
Palestine is Because the otherpart of it is when the

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terrorists, when October 7thhappened, it was targeting
civilians, purposefullytargeting civilians, families,
old people, young people.
It's as bad as anything you canpossibly see OK, including
babies getting stomped on andlaughed at by these, these
terrorists.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Let's be fair.
Let's, let's be fair.
The Israeli army has had morethan their fair share of the
same.
So there are there, have therehave we, not we?
We cannot say I for not to fortwo.
Then they'd be like oh well,they're bad because they were
kicking babies, like the Israeli, but I do the Israeli army is
known.

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Well, I mean, hold on before yougo, because the Israeli Israeli
army is known for playing bullyball and blending and blurring
the lines.
That's why the US uses them asa hit job.
So we know, we know wheneveryou call in the Israelis, you're
going to get dirty, they'regoing to cut off the body
cameras, they're going to cutoff the body cameras and then

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they're going to throw a pistolunder you and they're going to
tell you stop resisting whilethey beat the shit out of you.
That's just how the?
Israelis get down.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
But go ahead.
So do you dispute thatraeldrops pamphlets and warns
civilians to get out of certainareas, which is well documented?
Sure they do?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
okay, and then?
But two things can be true, twothings can be absolutely they
can, they can absolutely, theycan absolutely.
You know, because they, they dothe pr thing, they, they do the
pr thing.
Hey, we're dropping leases.
Of course, we gave them fairwarning, we gave them fair
warning, we gave them fairwarning.
But there's no way in the hellyou're going to tell me.
There's no way in the hellyou're going to tell me a
four-year-old or athree-year-old or two-year-old

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baby, still wearing diapers,getting shot in the head, is an
enemy combatant because wedropped pamphlets.
Well, we dropped pamphlets aweek ago.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Hold on.
First of all, I agree thatthat's any time.
That that is a situation ishorrible.
I will also say this, though Alot of those videos that came
out from Hamas were able to beshown that Israel was like these
people getting shot, gettingsnipered.
We didn't even have troopsthere.
That was on the southern border, and it was us, and it was

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Hamas shooting their own people.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Wait a minute.
There's been, yeah, there'sbeen propaganda, right, but
propaganda on both sides.
The same way.
Israel has been like oh see,they killed that.
You know they did it.
But what I'm saying is you'vehad more than your fair share,
like when the Israelis destroyedthat aid, that aid convoy on
camera, when they clearly hadtheir sirens flashed, and what
did they do?

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They went on, they went on andthey ran the PR and said, oh, we
didn't know who they were, butthen the video from the people
inside the convoy clearly shownthat they were properly
identified.
So I mean, at a certain point,right, your reputation precedes
you and we know that.
The Israeli army, we know how toget down.
That's why we use Right.

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I've worked beside them, I'vetrained them, I know how to get
down.
They will look at the rules andbe like yeah, ok, ok, if we
don't get caught, we don't getcaught.
If we get caught, we say I'msorry, hey, man, listen, I'm
going to give you the rules andyou do what you want to do from
there.
And that's how they play.
Even in training, even intraining, they were roughing

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dudes up.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
And it was a.
It was a training event, so Ican only imagine what they're
like with no cameras around andthe hinges off and the handcuffs
off, so to speak.
So, yeah, ok, kj, so let's makethis personal.
Let's make this personal.
Then, sure, you are out on thestreet and five or six guys come
up walking up around you andthey start harassing you and
they start throwing stuff at youand kicking you and you're just

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kind of doing everything youcan and they're hitting you and
smacking you and then finallyyou snap and you beat the crap
out of all six of them.
Right, you just turn around andbeat the living crap.
You take the first one, drophim with an you jack reacher
these guys, yeah, you pull thejack reacher, sure then.
And then you're walking down thestreet a couple years later and
the same guys, plus a couplemore, they come up and they do

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the same thing and you snapagain.
The whole time you beat theliving crap out of them.
Now fast forward a month or twolater, maybe a couple more
years later, right Now this time, they come in and they grab one
of your kids and they stab yourmom.
What are you going to do?
There's a point where Israelthere's only so many, and the

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whole time you've been going,hey, you know what?
I know these guys.
I've been watching these guys.
When I can, you know, I makesure to take their guns away.
If I can get a single withoutbeing, I break in their house
and maybe steal their guns,whatever.
But these guys keepantagonizing and that's the
history of Israel, and I can.
I know I already know certainpeople are going to be like oh,

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that's really simplified.
Yeah, it is.
It's very simplified becausewe're talking about a 70 year
history.
I just look at it as there's apoint where you have these
Israel doesn't mess aroundbecause they can't mess around.
When they start messing around,they will be wiped out.
They will not be on this earthanymore.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I've heard that since the inception of Israel and
they have not been wiped out yet.
But you know what they havedone.
You're right, they wiped out ashit ton of Palestinians to the
point to their damn near extinct.
That is that.
That is where we have theblurring of lines, right, we and
I you know call me a pessimist,but I've seen this playbook.

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It's the oh, we got to get tothem before they get to us,
though, right, and every time wesee that in history it turns
out the person that's throwingtheir hands up.
It's like wrestling, right,it's always.
In wrestling, it's always theheel who cries to the referee.
They're picking on me, they'repicking on me, and as soon as
the referee turns their back,they're kicking the damn guy in

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the groin, or something likethat.
So I just, I hear youAbsolutely.
I'm not saying, hey, ali, howyou doing?
Oh man, what's up, girl, howyou doing?
No, we, I don't dispute at allthat they have a right to defend
themselves.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
But what?
Let me ask you a question yeah,go ahead.
How many people now?
Now, I can only go by theestimates here given by Gaza's
health ministry, and my guess isGaza's health ministry is
higher than.
They're probably inflating thereal number, right, ok, but
You're talking about wiping out,okay.
So how many palestinians havebeen killed since, since the uh

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october 7th massacre?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
oh, so I don't know, somewhere between 60 and 100 k
somewhere.
I'll give it a 40,000.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
As of May 12th 2025.
I don't know how they do thatsince today's May 11th, but I'm
going by, you know, Google.
So, maybe their numbers are off, but it says that Gaza's health
ministry has reported 45,000.
Okay, okay, so how many peoplewere in Palestine in 2023?

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I don't know what, maybe a mil, half a mil 5.5 mil.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Okay.
So if you're going from 5.5 miland 50,000 dead, let's see 5
million, 500,000, 5 million,500,000, 50,000.
You're talking about again.
Let's see 500,000 is 10%,50,000 is 1%.
1% versus less than 1%.

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That's a lot of Palestiniansstill left around.
It's not justifying, it's notfor now but I got to hold tight,
though.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Here's the thing right, we say Taliban is a
terrorist organization becausethey vowed to wipe Israel off
the map.
Right, and then we say as Balo,are you talking?

Speaker 3 (20:20):
about Taliban or?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Hamas, well, taliban, for for different reasons.
I'm saying, when you, when youcategorize a terrorist
organization, one of the mainthemes of that terroristic
organization is their intent towipe another population off the
map, to make them extinct, right.
So when you hear the primeminister of Israel say that he

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won't stop until everyPalestinian is dead, that's a
problem on an internationalscale, because if anybody else
says it, it is a cold redterrorist organization.
But because we have to supportIsrael, because Israel must be
defended and all that, so weturn a blind eye to it.

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And I understand the politicsof the game, right, israel knows
where all our bodies are buried, mainly because they're the
ones doing the burying.
So I understand why.
But at the same time, we'd beremiss to sit back and say, oh
well, israel has a right todefend itself.
Ok, so will.
Israel has the right to defenditself.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Okay, I think what you're referring to is this
Netanyahu says Israel's goal isto wipe out all possibility of a
Palestinian state.
That's very different thanwiping out all Palestinians.
Fair, because here's the otherthing.
Or that statement is true.

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Well, and that's the problem iswhen we you know you said that,
hey, whose words.
And right with all that.
Sure, so you're talking aboutIsrael with 10 million people,
Palestine with five and a halfmillion people.
You know that's not really afair fight.
Except Israel is on its own,outside of really being.

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The United States hasdefinitely taken care of Israel,
Got it, but as far as boots onthe ground.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
But as far as boots on the ground, you've got.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Palestine, syria, lebanon, iran, iraq, saudi
Arabia.
Who you said Taliban, whichwould be?
I'm not going to include theTaliban in that, but ISIS, some
of the terrorists, egypt, so soaround Israel, you've got nobody
that's friendly.
Nobody that's friendly likewhen.
That's one of the things thatreally blew me away about
Trump's first 45 is the Abraham.
I think it was the AbrahamAccords is what they were
calling, or is that Carter.
Anyway, the peace deal, thepeace deal that basically Trump

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had in place and one of thethings that happened with
October 7th, if the reporting isaccurate, one of the reasons
that Hamas attacked Israel wasbecause there was going to be a
peace deal where, I believe,saudi Arabia was ready to
actively recognize Israel and sopart of that was to shut down

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that recognition.
So I mean there's a lot ofgeopolitical stuff that's going
on.
I personally look at Israellike Liam Neeson in Taken,
because Israel has a certain setof skills.
You came in and you took itscitizens and they still don't
forget.
There's still dozens ofHostages that that are in

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custody by Palestine and byHamas.
So I just I don't have a lot ofI have.
I have sympathy for anynoncombatant that gets killed in
any situation.
You and I I remember we talkedabout this a while ago and you
said that Hamas was not voted onby you know it was kind of like

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they had to vote for Hamas.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I mean, the rules are the rules.
To be honest with you, hamasand Israel is like low on the
priority poll.
If Hamas didn't want to beattacked, they shouldn't have
left Israel alone.
However, comma, israel cannotjust go around.
Oh, just because I believe thisis mine, I'm just going to be
the bully in the block and thenclaim oh well, we have to take

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them out before they take us out.
That's bullshit.
We know that.
You know that.
Every sensible person knowsthat.
But that's just how the worldworks, man, you got the freedom
and power backing you.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
it's kind of like get down to lay down but at the
same time, israel has done a lotof stuff where they've even
held their own peopleaccountable maybe not as much as
they should have for going insetting up illegal settlements.
And all that too, you'retalking about y'all I'm talking
about over, about the lastdecade.
There have been some effortslike you said not as much as

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they should have.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
I was going to say, yeah, you're going to Netanyahu
is not.
That's like saying that's like.
That's like saying Putin's,putin's trying to trying to
broker a peace deal.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
You know, it's funny that it's funny.
You just said that, though,because I was actually thinking
like Netanyahu is very much likePutin in the sense that he
remembers what it's like tofight on the front lines, and so
that definitely colors hisperception of everybody in the
region.
Speaking of which, let's go tothe next one.
Let's go.
I think that's an interest withPutin.
What do you think about Europeto me finally really stepping up
to the plate and standing up toPutin and basically giving him

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an ultimatum that, by tomorrow,if Putin doesn't agree to an
immediate ceasefire, they'regoing to slap sanctions on them.
I don't know where this hasbeen, but bravo, it's only taken
11 years since the first timeRussia came in and took that
land in Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
When he took Crimea, they should have done it.
I'm sitting back like, I'm likewhat are you waiting for?
But see again too.
It's another thing where that'swhy I say I'm not anti-Trump
and I've said it yes, you are.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Oh, just come on.
Yes, you are, I've said it tillI've turned blue in the face.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I recognize Trump for who he is and what he is, and
he is a product of the union.
Right, I am more concernedabout the people, and I told you
that during the election cycle.
It's not so much Trump, becauseI can deal with one, but when
you feel your administrationfull of people who are people
full of ill intent, that's whenI have a problem and just like

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you know, the sky is blue, it'sbeen.
it's almost prophetic, butthat's a different story.
So what I'm saying is when,when, when Putin annexed Crimea,
right, they had an opportunityto stop it.
When Putin first started liningtroops up on the Ukrainian
border, talking about it's atraining mission, they should
have seen that play, becausethat's the same exact play that
they ran in in 39.

(27:17):
Oh, we're just, we're justtraining, we're just wait.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
But we're leaving.
That would be.
That would be.
That would be the fascist KJ.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
But I mean, it's the same.
It's the same playbook that theAmericans are running.
Oh, absolutely, they're justrunning it and running it on one
of the citizens.
But what I'm saying is, historydoesn't repeat itself, but it
damn sure mimics itself, right?
So when you see the play ofaggression, right, and you have
an opportunity to stop, it samething I say with the United
States.
Now you see the play ofaggression coming, they may not

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be, they may not be intentlysaying hey, we're coming after
the reconstruction amendments,hey, we're going to test the,
we're going to test the limitsof this code, just to see what
we can get away with.
They might not tell you that'swhat they're doing, but their
actions very much so prove thatthat is exactly what they're
doing.
And it's up to it is up tothose of concern to stop it.

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And I think right now, theUnited States is in a similar
situation as Europe, except thepopulation of the United States
is Europe in this case, and thegovernment is Putin in this case
.
They're going to keep pryingand keep trying to get away with
stuff, and unless thepopulation decides that enough

(28:34):
is enough, we don't know wherethis line is going to end at,
because we're certainly in acycle of transformation.
You know how it ends is goingto be up to.
You know what the populationcan stand.
But it's interesting, man, beinga student of history, you know

(28:55):
and I don't want to call myselfan expert because it's so much
you learn one version of historyand then you find something
else that completely validatesand contradicts everything you
learn.
So you got to relearn it again.
That's the cool thing abouthistory You're always learning
about nuances and changes, right?
But one irrefutable fact isthere's always a hero and a

(29:19):
villain, right?
Somebody's fame conqueror issomebody else's you know, evil,
super villain, right?
That's what I'm saying,depending on what story you read
.
So that's what makes it.
That's what makes it.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
And that's why I said I can't.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
I can't be mad, being a student of history, but at
the same time I recognize it forwhat it is and like man.
Hey, they're running the sameplaybook.
You should probably take a lookat that.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah.
And you wonder, you wonder whythey didn't.
But even though they didn't,they continued to, didn't.
They continued to, didn't he?
Yeah, if that's a word, right.
So Trump comes in and Putinkind of lays low for four years.

(30:13):
Now people say, oh, trump andPutin are besties and all that
Okay.
Well, regardless, he didn't doit, putin didn't do anything
else during 45.
And then here comes 46.
And I think putin saw anopportunity and he took it
because again, he also saw thateurope was following kind of the

(30:36):
pacifist chamberlain styleeurope that was going all
through there.
Germany does not want to beinvolved in any wars.
France obviously a very leftgovernment, leaning government.
The British have been goingfurther and further left and

(30:58):
then opening their borders andbeing overrun by, especially
Muslims.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
I find that extremely ironic though, don't you?
You have to appreciate theirony in Britain's dilemma right
now, right.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Are you talking about for centuries, Britain going in
and taking over populationsthat were not British?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, and then just, you know, just to see it, just
to see it being the preeminentissue is like, oh, too many
immigrants.
You're like, well, hell man,you just spent 200 years.
Yeah, you just spent 200 yearsmaking damn near half the world
you know, Five or six, 700 years, you just made half the world

(31:50):
English.
And then you're upset that theydecided to come home.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
No, you're, you're right.
It's probably actually three orfour hundred years age of
expiration.
But yeah, you're right.
But I mean, it's kind ofamazing that if you go in and
you have any real understandingof and this is not a slam on
islam, this is not against islambut if you look at islam, they
are more than happy to play thevery, very long game.

(32:17):
When you're talking about thelong game for islam, we're not
talking about years, months oreven years.
We're talking talking aboutyears, months or even years.
We're talking about decades andcenturies.
And so right now, what you'reseeing in England is a takeover
of many of the large.
London has a mayor who isMuslim and a lot of the other

(32:41):
big cities do too.
So they're taking over englandbit by bit without shooting a
single single weapon.
Right, and don't get me wrong.
Of course there are the, thehere and there, the terrorists,
the stabbings, and those arehorrible, and you know, and the
problem is like in america.
You look at america and you seesome of that going on, very

(33:03):
limited in places likeMinneapolis.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I would say that it's more the Christian nationalists
are taking over.
Right, and I say that with thedistinction that Christian
nationalists are absolutely andobjectively different than
Christians.
Right, so you have a Christiannation in America.
Right, so you have a Christiannation in America.
Right, and you have Christiansin America, but then you have a

(33:30):
subset of Christian nationalistswho I deem as an extremist
group, and they infiltratedevery level of government and
now you're starting to see thesame thing that Britain is
seeing with Muslims, and nowyou're starting to see the same
thing that Britain is seeingwith Muslims we see now with
Christian nationalists inAmerica.
Right, and I'll give you anexample Right In England, I was

(33:51):
just talking to a buddy of mine,over, over and across the pond,
as you will and they're upsetthat the Muslims are trying to
infiltrate the school system andget equitable rights to prayer
and decide what needs to betaught and what books can be in

(34:12):
the school, and it's becomingproblematic, right, and I said,
man, that's interesting becausehere in the state we have a lot
of Christian nationalistorganizations who are doing the
exact same thing.
So to me it's one in the sameright.
I love Christians, I considermyself a Christian.
However, I also understand andrecognize Christian nationalism
is the most prominent issue thatnobody's addressing in the

(34:37):
state right now, I don't want todiscount your concern.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
It's hard, right, right.
But I will say this, and thisgoes the difference of viewpoint
, right, you're coming at itfrom the blue side and I'm
coming at it from the red side.
Sure.
You're looking at it saying asa I'm just going to from the red
side.
Sure.
You're looking at it saying asa I'm just going to say Democrat
, so it's easier.
Sure, let's just say with blueand red right.

(35:11):
You're good.
Blue and red.
Yeah, so as a blue, you'relooking at these Christian
nationalists coming in andtrying to take over government
and do those things.
As a red, I've seen thathappening and has happened and
well-established entrenchment bywhat I would call and what
Trump calls.
I wouldn't call it that untilTrump, but the deep state that's

(35:34):
what it is are more than happyto become part of the New World
Order, who think that we are allpart of the community of the
world, that humanism is moreimportant than any religion, all
the stuff that goes against theJudeo-Christian foundations of

(35:59):
this country.
Now people forget.
One of the things about theJudeo-Christian founding of this
country was that A we don'thave a national religion.
There is no single religionendorsed by the United States
and never will.
That's the first amendment tothe Constitution.
That's how important theythought it was.
It'll never happen because,well, I shouldn't say it'll

(36:21):
never happen.
I think it's more likely.
Honestly, the way things go, Ithink it's more likely that
Islam or Mormonism becomes thenational, because we're the only
two groups that continue tohave babies at a rate that is
well above replacement level,right.
Yeah.
So I'm not overly worried abouteither of those, but I think

(36:43):
most people would probably feela little more comfortable with
LDS versus Islam Because, anyway, without going into the whole
religious side of it but I thinkthat when you're talking about
these things because this goesback to what we were talking
about Islam versus Judaism inIsrael and Palestine it's

(37:05):
strange that you're going tohave this conflict because, like
realistically most Christianswould say, biblically it says
you should be peacekeepers, youshould be peacemakers, you
should turn the other cheek, youshould do those things.
And then you have people on thefar right that are Christian
nationals that say well, yeah,jesus said to turn your cheek

(37:26):
the other time, and if somebodysmacks you on the cheek, turn
you know how many times.
It's seven times 70.
Well, we've been smacked on thecheek more than 70 times, 70
times.
And now it's time to go in,like the temple, and flip over
the table in the temple and gocrazy, like Jesus did.
Okay, meanwhile you have peopleon the left go, jesus was
bisexual, don't you guys know?

(37:47):
Jesus didn't actually havegender.
So it's the ridiculousness oflike you guys, just read what
the Bible.
If you're going to make theargument of what the Bible says
A you should probably know whatthe Bible says.
And B use it in context, andthat's a big problem.
Most people don't use it incontext, and that's a big
problem.
Most people don't use it incontext or they leave things out

(38:07):
.
And they do that with quotestoo, like, not biblical quotes
necessarily, but those as well,like.
I remember one the customer isnever wrong, right.
Well, the full quote is thecustomer is never wrong.
The customer is never wrong interms of taste.
I think is the full quote,which means yeah, they like the

(38:30):
customer's never wrong.
If they say they want a pinkflamingo fluffy outside their
door, they're not wrong becausethat's their taste, right.
Another one was what is it whenyou copy somebody is the
sincerest form of flattery ohyeah, what was it?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Yeah, but there's more to it.
Yeah.
They don't continue to quote.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah imitation is the clearest form of flattery when
it comes to the mediocre yeahreaching for greatness or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
It's like, yeah, you suck, and so you're trying to
copy somebody who's awesome, butyou suck, so you can't read my
favorite one is the constitutionis the founding document, the
principal document of thisnation, and I've read it cover
to cover and I keep it close tomy heart because this is how
much it means to me.
But they don't know anything inthe Constitution.

(39:28):
That is my favorite so far, orat least it's your favorite.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Okay, let's be fair.
The Constitution is not theeasiest read.
A, I'll give you Well B, a, b,well B.
You have lawyers, you havejudges and you have Supreme
Court justices who argue whatthe Constitution says.
So, like, for me, that's kindof when I go back and again,

(39:56):
perception is reality.
So I read certain things and Igo well, of course, alito's
right, that's exactly what itsays.
And somebody else goes,especially when they lose, like
if it's Clarence, thomas andAlito, they're going hey, we're
over here and the other sevenare over there.
I can go well, clearly, yeah, Imean, it's Thomas and Alito,
that's my worldview is, yeah, Iagree with them out of my
worldview.
So of course I'm going to bemore partial to them, but I

(40:19):
can't really argue that theother seven are idiots.
You know, I I think thedissents generally.
To me the dissents are honestlybetter reading than the
majority stuff I have beenpleasantly surprised with scotus
this season, like I am.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
I told you.
But see, I told you before Isaid I am going to be.
I knew going in, I said Trump2.0 is going to test the limits
of SCOTUS and I was especially.
And I told I remember tellingyou specifically, I have to
watch Clarence because he issuch an originalist.
I have to see how much he'sgoing to let POTUS get away with

(41:01):
him and Alito are hilarious.
Have you been?
Have you been reading thejudgments and like the
commentary from from the justice?
Yeah, holy they are.
But I can only imagine in mymind and you got the baby.
You got the baby justices whoare?
They're more moderate than thanI would imagine the reds would

(41:24):
have preferred when they electedthem.
Especially they are nottextualists.
They are not at all at all andthat is pissing this
administration off.
And he's like dude.
I think I love the chaosbecause the scope.
I'm telling you and I don'tknow why I tell people all the
time, like I knew for a while,like I told you, I've been done

(41:44):
with Congress for a long timeLike they are ineffective, they
just we should flush all of themout.
But SCOTUS is like that's why Ithought I didn't when they were
.
I think we were having aconversation about Amy Comey,
barrett and and Kavanaugh whenthey were getting elected Right
and a lot of people on the leftwas, was in an uproar about this

(42:04):
elected right and a lot ofpeople on the left was, was in
an uproar about this, that.
And I was like, hold on.
I was like if you go back andyou look at the way they, they,
they've ruled, this may not beas bad as you think.
And everybody, you know, Iremember I got destroyed.
I remember for like two weeksstraight I got destroyed right,
bootlicker, you know this, thatand the other.
And then I, I, you know I don'twant to toot my own horn and
pat myself on the back, but Igot to tell you, man the baby,

(42:25):
scotuses, even Ketanji the babyScotuses.
I am super impressed with man.
It's just I knew that thoseolder Scotuses were going to
have an aneurysm because they'resuch originalists.
And then when you have guys likeStephen Miller and you have Pam
Bundy, and these guys aresaying, oh well, the

(42:45):
constitution is subjective, Ican just see the vein in
Clarence Thomas's neck bulginglike what.
And so Alito even had to comeout and I think he was doing an
interview.
Was it last week or week beforelast?
He did an interview where he hesat back, said listen, judges
rule, and that's the SupremeCourt.
We rule based on theConstitution, end of story.

(43:09):
He didn't say no names, hedidn't say what it was sent to,
but he let it be known clearlylike yo, this is what we're
judging off of.
Stop the madness, right.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Here's the funny thing.
There's two parts of that.
Remind me that second partabout that, about the judges.
But yeah, in 2019, wheneverybody was freaking out about
Kavanaugh, because when whoeverdied at the end of Obama's and
then the Republicans blocked,that was Ruth Baker.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
They wouldn't, they wouldn't die.
Yeah, they wouldn't, theywouldn.
Uh, that was Ruth Baker.
They wouldn't.
They wouldn't let her.
Yeah, they wouldn't, theywouldn't let her feel Ruth again
.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
I don't remember who, what.
No, she, no, no, no, no, nothat was, that was 2019 because
it was in 20, in 2015, somebodyelse, somebody else passed, and
but our RGB remembered they wereall talking about her.

(44:11):
Oh, you might be right.
They were talking about herretiring, you might be right.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah, you're right, you're right.
So so the Republicans blockedit Right, and then, in 2019, uh,
before Trump was out, somebodydied and the Democrats weren't
able to block it Right.
Okay.
So one of the things for me wasI said, well, look, I'm, I'm
more than happy for trump to getthis and put it in and

(44:36):
everybody's like, oh, they'regonna have a republican and and
majority, blah, blah, blah.
And I said you guys, I don'tthink you understand.
Like if you put, if you puttextualists in there or
conservatives in there, they'regoing to limit trump's power,
like they're going to that'swhat power, like they're going
to, that's what traditionalistsare going to do.
And so that's the funny thingis, how many times now have we

(44:59):
seen where this administrationis pushing the boundaries and I
don't blame, honestly, I don'tblame them for pushing the
boundaries and then SCOTUS isdoing their job of saying, no,
that's too far.
Now here's the other thing thatthis is one of my bigger
problems with what, um, you said.
It was alito that said it yeah,that was alito okay so how?

(45:23):
what did he say?
Because I want to know thequote right I'll see if I can
get it okay, because wordsmatter and and the way you said
that there's a little.
There's something I want to say, but I want to make sure it was
the right quote, because I Iwould hate to have the wrong
quote here cool, give me a sec,I, I think I can get it up no

(45:45):
problem, luckily it's just ally.
So hi, ally, I didn't say hiearlier maybe ally's not even on
anymore.
Who knows, maybe she's just gotin the background.
Oh, where's that in liberty, bythe way?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
they'll be in.
They pop in usually a littlebit later.
A little bit later.
I can't find it um jesus.
Where is he?
I?

Speaker 3 (46:04):
cannot find it right now.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Oh, there he goes, talk about something.
Talk about something, fill theair while I, while I find it,
it's gonna take me so if youfind it, and this is why I say
that, okay, the judicial, let's.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Let's go back to saturday morning cartoons and
the schoolhouse rock.
There are three branches ofgovernment.
There is the legislaturelegislative which makes the laws
.
There's the judicial, whichinterprets the laws, whether
they're constitutional or not.
And then there's the executive,which is supposed to enforce
the laws.

(46:41):
And it was never the intent ofthe framers that I can find that
.
The intent was that thejudicial was the end-all, be-all
and whatever the judicial said,that was just it.
And they trump the other two.
And that's where we're at, Ithink, 206 years later, where

(47:07):
the judicial has especially theSupreme Court has, I think, way
more power than the framersmeant them to have.
I think it was supposed to bemuch more equal.
And you can say well, theydon't really have that much
power.
But when you have a judge, afederal judge in, I don't know,

(47:27):
let's just say randomly, let'ssay New Mexico, right, and New
Mexico judge says I don't likewhat the administration is doing
and we've had this argument,but I'm going to file, I'm going
to sign an injunction thatlimits what the president of the
United States can do when itcomes to border security or when

(47:49):
it comes to ejecting peoplefrom this country or whatever it
is right.
And so, again, this falls backto a large degree to the
legislature not doing their jobs.
It also comes down to what youand I and Greg Easterbrook were
talking about a few weeks ago.
If the executive branchbasically says to the judicial

(48:12):
even the Supreme Court and Iunderstand the constitutional
crisis and all that right.
But if the executive branchsays, okay, we're going to
deport all MS-13, we don't carewhat the court says, you can say
habeas corpus, to take it full.
You know, we, you, the judicialsay hey, if you don't, if you

(48:36):
don't do this, we're going tofile an injunction.
And then the and the white housesays and like, what's going to
happen?
You could impeach, and that'swhere the legislature comes in
and would be doing their job inthat case.
Um, but at the same time,impeachment's a pretty high bar
these days.
And so are Republicans going toturn around and impeach Trump?

(48:57):
I doubt it.
I mean, do you think they woulddo that?

Speaker 2 (49:02):
OK, so that's a, that's a bridge.
That's a bridge very, very far,man, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Right, no, no, no, I don't think that's all honestly
so, ok, so, but let's go.
Let that would have been thecase at all, honestly.
Okay, but let's go down.
What the argument from the leftis Okay, is that Okay?
We're going to take it fullcircle with habeas corpus, the
court's rule, including theSupreme Court, that every and I
don't think this is rightpersonally, but every person in

(49:30):
this country illegally has to bein front of a judge because of
habeas corpus.
Now, that includes those thatthe order has already been
signed by a judge.
It includes those who havemissed their hearing, whatever
the case is.
They have the opportunity, butthey don't care.
So then they call up the lawyerand they say hey, I'm at the

(49:51):
ICE detention center.
They gave me the one call.
The lawyer goes running downhabeas corpus, and there's
enough of these that it goesimmediately up an emergency up
to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court says everysingle person who was arrested,
whether legally in this countryor not, no matter what their
status, whether they are astudent, whether they're an MS

(50:12):
gang member or whether they'rejust somebody that is scheduled
for deportation, has to havehabeas corpus.
They have to personally,physically, appear in front of a
judge.
And Trump says, nah, we're notgoing to.
We're going to take them andthrow them on a plane and we're
going to send them out.
To what country?
He just said that there was acountry that said they were in
negotiations for taking a lot ofthese guys.

(50:33):
I don't remember who it was Idon't know.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
I know we're, I know we're in venezuela now, but I
can't remember libya yeah, therewas gaddafi, whoever it was
okay.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
So let's, let's say guiana, french, french guiana,
let's make it, let's make itinteresting, let's make it
exotic.
They're gonna, they're gonnasend people to French Guiana,
right, and so they keep grabbing.
Well, el Salvador is a few, butthere's another country that
just recently said they're innegotiations.

(51:04):
I think it's Libya.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I think Libya is the hot spot.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Is it Libya?
Yeah, it may have been Hot spot, literally.
Okay, well, whoever it is.
So then the Trumpadministration says, nope, we're
going to keep doing it.
And the Supreme Court says, no,here's what, like, we are
keeping habeas corpus.
And the Trump administrationsays, no, we're not going to, we
are going to keep doing this.
So then, what is the next step,the only way to make any change

(51:36):
in that situation?

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I believe would be impeachment now.
Well, congress would have toclarify before that, congress
will have to clarify which iswhich is.
That's a dual that.
But a lot of that would be alot of that would be
circumvented if congress wouldjust do their damn job in the
first place, which is why, whichis why I loathe congress so
much like hey, dude, make itplain, you had a majority.

(52:03):
If you decide there, there's noway the blue team can block you.
If you decide that this is whatit's going to be, then that's
just what it's going to be, thenthat's just what it's going to
be.
The problem is we have too manyrepresentatives in both
chambers of Congress that areafraid to have a decision on
their record because it'll comeback to bite them.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
That's why I told you oh no they're going to get
primaried.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
The government's full of grifters, man.
They don't want to cut off themoney train, so they're not
going to make a decision.
Like I said, depending on whichway the wind blowing Lindsey
Graham is going to bend and foldLike I'm, I'm so.
I'm so disgusted with ourDemocratic Somebody sent me
something.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
It was so funny.
Somebody sent me something onLindsey Graham.
Some tweet, right, and it wasjust this ridiculous tweet.
It goes Lindsey Graham is themost spineless guy.
This ridiculous tweet.
He goes Lindsey Graham is themost spineless guy.
And I read it.
I went dude.
This is clearly a parody, butthe funny thing is it could have
been real.
Lindsey Graham is the perfectexample of that.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
It's so sickening man to where I don't care what you
stand for, I can stand forsomething.
You know what I'm saying.
It's not that difficult.
I can understand and respectyou saying, hey, this is not how
it's going to be, and untilenough people care enough to
vote me out, this is the wayit's going to be.

(53:22):
I can deal with that all daylong.
But what I don't like is peoplegetting in there and being like
oh well, it depends.
I don't know.
That's why we talked about whatwas that?
Senator McCaskey a week ago.
Mccaskey out of Alaska a coupleof weeks ago.
Well, we're too scared to makea decision because there's a lot
of money involved and we'regoing to get primary.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
We're getting threatened With what You're
getting threatened with beingprimaried Gas.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, you're getting, you're getting threatened with
with somebody exercising thedemocratic right, like so yeah
and so, like you and you have iton both sides.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Honestly, I do think democrats do a better job of,
when a push comes to shove,whipping their, their caucuses
and passing what they want topass.
But they're not perfect by anystretch, because you look at
when they had the house and theSenate from 2020 to 22, when
Biden's first two years, theycould have passed a lot of this

(54:20):
legislation, they could havedone some things and gotten, you
know, the border in line andall that, but you had mansion
and you had seismic from thosethose cinema.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
How do you say cinema , christian cinema?

Speaker 3 (54:33):
cinema, yeah.
Cinema cinema, yeah.
And then she and of course,like cinema she was, it blew me
away.
It's like I expected her to bethis goofy green party lefty out
in the woods type guy andinstead she was was like no,
look I am.
I am a absolute liberal.

(54:54):
That said, there are stillcertain parts of the government
that the government needs to dothings the right way, and I
don't think they're doing theright way.
Now there's also the plus Ineed my pound of flesh, thank
you.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Yeah, I was going to say.
Yeah, I was going to say thatshe was open to the hype.
I think she was trying to runas an independent.
Yeah, she did.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
But at the same time you look at Fetterman, who
legitimately has brain damage,and the Democrats are dragging
him across the line.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yeah, but we knew that beforehand, remember, we
talked about how that was goingto come back to bite him in the
ass.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Of course, Well, there's one issue with Fetterman
.
Fetterman's like look, ifyou're going to come in and
you're a Palestinian lover andyou're supporting Hamas and the
people that are on thesecampuses, you need to GTFO, so F
you guys, I'm with Israel andsuddenly he was like oh,
fetterman doesn't take hismedication.

(55:49):
The reason why is?

Speaker 2 (55:53):
because before Trump got elected, Fetterman was quiet
as a church mouse pissing oncotton.
He's another grifter who's justtrying to kiss the ringer who's
in power.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
I don't think Fetterman has.
I don't think Fetterman hasn't.
I don't think Fetterman had anypull.
Honestly, that's part of it.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
What I'm saying is, if Harris had won the election
right and the country wastrending blue, you would not
hear a word from Fetterman, andthat's what pisses me off about
him.
This isn't an issue that youcare about.
This is an issue that gets youfurther along the line to
protect your pockets.

(56:32):
You're full of shit.
You're a griptok.
Maybe he's going to get primary, and I don't think he survives
the primary.
He should have survived thefirst one, but the Democratic
machine just had to have itTammany.
Hall absolutely won that for him.
Just because you have a blue orred sticker beside your name

(56:53):
does not mean you're true.
That's just, you have found theeasiest path to get to the
money and once you get in there,your true color is coming.
I mean, we've seen that in bothparties.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
And maybe I'm naive and maybe I do try to look at
people's best case scenario andmaybe I look at Betterman and go
, I hope he actually believesthat Israel's in the right and
if he doesn't, no, I just hey, Itry to give benefit of the
doubt to a Democrat.
But again, I mean I look at.
It's so ridiculous.

(57:25):
If you've ever driven throughWest Virginia you should see how
many buildings have SenatorByrd's name on different
buildings the National Guardbuilding up there and all that
stuff.
What's he say about Kevin?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
No, he's talking about I am kind of.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yeah, oh, my favorite part of the whole.
Just a side note, the wholething with Barbie that cracks me
up is when the the uh, feministwomen were freaking out.
It's like oh, of course, ryangosling's the one.
The man who's in the movie isthe one who gets nominated for
an oscar and I'm like he was thefunniest part of the movie.
Are you kidding?
I liked that movie.

(58:05):
I liked uh, I'm blinking on hername that played barbie.
I like the speech that Americawhat's her name gave.
I like the movie.
But Ryan Gosling, he kind ofstole that movie.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
It was probably a lot better, man, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
But it was so funny them freaking out A feminist
movie and here's the man whogets nominated for that.
It's like, well, okay, whatever.
But yeah, I look at and werehash this every week, like we
can talk about the stupidity ofCongress, we can talk about how
bad journalists are, we can talkabout all this stuff, and

(58:42):
that's just kind of how it goes.
There are certain things inAmerica that tell them, hey,
we're not going to put up thiscrap anymore and we're going to.
We're going to to put up thiscrap anymore and we're going to
rid you to say even journalists,what's his face from?
From NBC or no, cnn, the baldguy.

(59:07):
That guy looked like a potato.
That people uh right glasses.
No, the white guy.
Oh the white egg.
Looking he's a potato.
He used to give him a hard timefor deer.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
They would say anytime he would tweet uh, hold
on, you're coming up on our hour.
Yeah, we gotta hit the hourmark yep yeah, so.
So all right, hey, we're comingup on people.
We are still going to stay here, we're going to keep rolling,
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One minute has passed.
Boom, there we go.
All right.
So one hour has passed.
Get back to it.
I'm sorry, lance, I didn't meanto cut you off, brother, go
ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
No, no, that to it.
I'm sorry, Lance, I didn't meanto cut you off, brother, Go
ahead.
No, no, that's fine, I knewwhat it was.
Yeah, so no, I just again.
There are certain things inAmerica that we just it's the
same old, same old.
We've got crappy people who arein Congress that want to be
there to make the money.
They don't want to solve anyproblems because, oh, we were

(01:00:31):
talking about Brian Stelzer,who's now.
He moved from CNN to Substackand doing his brand of
journalism.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yes, now the gloves are off, I can be who I really
am, which is bullshit.
I got a question for what.
I want to switch gears a littlebit for this next segment.
Kristi Noem is running out ofmoney.
Is she?
Yes, the department is runningout.
So they had a congressionalhearing last week.
What?

(01:01:03):
Is she?
Kristi Noem is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
HHS, dhs, yes, dhs, I'm sorry, dhs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
So they went to Congress asking for more money
and they kind of blew throughtheir budget.
And I wish, man, if I didn'tknow we were going to do this,
I'd have had clips aired up.
But that's okay, we'll rollwith the punches.
Going to do this, I'd have hadclips aired up.
But that's okay, we'll, we'llroll with the punches.
So the during the congressionalhearing they was like hey, I'm
not sure if you understand howthis works, but we can't give

(01:01:40):
you more money than you werealready allocated in your budget
this year.
So he's like where did themoney go?
And she was like I don't, Idon't know.
And he was like I don't, Idon't know.
They were like I don't know.
And, uh, congress is like well,there's not really a lot we can
do because you got to make it.
You got to make it to the endof september until we can fund

(01:02:01):
you again.
Um, man, I gotta go find a clue.
That was hilarious, um, but Iwant to come.
What else else?
What else?
What else, christy?

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Well, she testified in the White House's 2026 budget
request five days ago thatmight have been it.
Lawmakers question.
I'll bet it's this.
Lawmakers question.
No, I'm overcuts to no FEMA TSA.
No, no, no Grants testifiesbefore Senate.
Dhs budget.
It's got to be that Fundingpartnership, but it doesn't

(01:02:41):
really break it down.
I got to see Funding two daysago I got to see days ago.
Homeland Security toldlawmakers her office is working
to restore funding to theNational Fire Academy.

(01:03:04):
No, harvard sends energy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
This one Hold on.
I wonder if I can get it tocome up.
I wonder if I can get it tocome up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
So I mean Do you know what DHS's budget is?

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I don't know offhand, I know.
So they went to the hearing andthen I found Chris Murphy's
interview where he wasinterviewing and asking what
happened with the money.
But you're running out of time,yeah let's hear it.
It's six minutes long, but Idon't want to play all of it.
We'll find a way to cut it.

(01:03:44):
Hold on, let me see if I canget it shared.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
You can just stop it when we get tired of it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Yeah, you know what.
We're going to stay live, let'sdo this live.
Where are we at Share screen?
This is called Zoothing on theFly.
Baby, do somebody see to yourpants?

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Here we go.
Thank you very much, madamChair.
Madam Secretary, thank you forbeing here.
I'm sorry that I missed yourcall yesterday.
I look forward to workingclosely with here.
I'm sorry that I missed yourcall yesterday.
I look forward to workingclosely with you.
I say this with seriousness andrespect, but your department is
out of control.
You're spending like you don'thave a budget.
You're on the verge of runningout of money for the fiscal year

(01:04:24):
.
You are illegally refusing tospend funds that have been
authorized by this Congress andappropriated by this committee,
by this Congress andappropriated by this committee.
You are ignoring the immigrationlaws of this nation,
implementing a brand newimmigration system that you have
invented that has littlerelation to the statutes that
you are required, that you arecommanded to follow, as spelled
out in your oath of office.
You are routinely violating therights of immigrants, who may

(01:04:44):
not be citizens, but, whetheryou like it or not, they have
constitutional and statutoryrights when they reside in the
United States.
Your agency acts as if lawsdon't matter, as if the election
gave you some mandate toviolate the Constitution and the
laws passed by this Congress.
It did not give you thatmandate.
You act as if your disagreementwith the law, or even the
public's disagreement with thelaw, is relevant and gives you

(01:05:06):
the ability to create your ownlaw.
It does not give you thatability.
Let's start with your spending.
You are on track to trigger theAnti-Deficiency Act.
That means you are going tospend more money than you've
been allocated by Congress.
This is a rare occurrence andit is wildly illegal.
Your agency will be broke byJuly, over two months before the

(01:05:27):
end of the fiscal year.
You may not think that Congresshas provided enough money to
ICE, but the Constitution andthe federal law does not allow
you to spend more money than youhave been given or to invent
money.
And this obsession withspending at the border, as the
chairwoman mentioned, has leftthe country unprotected
elsewhere.

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The security threats to theUnited States are higher, not
lower, than when before Trumpcame to office.
To fund the border, you haveillegally gutted spending for
cybersecurity.
As we speak, Russian andChinese hackers are having a
field day attacking our nation.
You have withdrawn funds fordisaster prevention.
Storms are going to kill morepeople in the country because of

(01:06:08):
the withholding of these fundsJeez.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Okay, here's my problem with this.
I know they don't, but at whatpoint do they?
Where's the question?
You know what I mean.
If I was no more.
And they both do it, don't getme wrong.
They both do it right, but theyjust go and go and go and go,

(01:06:33):
and that's just what I have tosay.
So how do you answer that?
And they're like you were justtalking for like five minutes
straight.
How much?
Yeah, which?

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
part.
Yeah, which part?

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
yeah, and so, like you're doing this and you're
doing that, and you're and myguess is she, she's going to
turn around and say well,senator, I don't agree with your
assessment.
I, you, we are, we are wellaware of the budget and and
we're doing the things we needto, and one of the reasons our
budget is the way it is isbecause we are oh my gosh, you
went through the whole thing.

(01:07:04):
Look, she didn't even get.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
We don't.
Yeah.
Yeah, he talked the whole thing.
I'm cutting it right there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Yeah, that's fine, and I don't know what she said.
So don't get me wrong.
I'm not defending her in termsof what she said, but my guess
is she's saying things like well, you know when you're part of
the organization that isrounding up people that are here
illegally.
that costs money and that manhours and blah, blah, blah, blah
blah, and so we've had to spendmore and so you know, part of

(01:07:34):
that is, but the funny partabout him saying is, it's wildly
and we don't just give you moremoney.
Really, Is that why you don'thave emergency budget measures
that every single year, all thetime happen?
So you know, I don't know.
I I think we're pushing it outof control.

(01:07:55):
yeah, maybe I I don't know, andif it is okay, there needs to be
something done.
But at the same time, herewould be my question like if I,
if I'm dude, trying to actuallyget to an answer, right, I would
say something if I'm murphy andI act, no, I'm giving him the
benefit of the doubt that if heactually wants an answer, right,
I would say something if I'mMurphy and I act no, I'm giving
him the benefit of the doubtthat if he actually wants an

(01:08:15):
answer, because he doesn'tremember, he said I'm sorry, I
missed your call.
I'll get with you later andwe'll talk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Yeah, a lot of that was just for a lot of that was
just for a lot of that was justfor sure, right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
I want to all bark A senator that was grandstanding
and spotlighting that wasgrandstanding and spotlighting,
but I will.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I will tell you I like murphy.
Murphy is one of the few newdemocrats who I might not always
agree with them, but they givea shit and I can take that
better than blumenthal.
I can take it as a startingpoint, like if you care, that
means we have a starting point.
You're right, liberty.

(01:08:57):
I don't think voters believethat Voters are dumb.
I'm going to be honest.
I don't care if it'scontroversial.
An American a citizen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
They're ignorant for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
An American, a citizen, ignorant for sure.
Yes, an American, a citizen, isa smart, informed individual.
Americans citizens are ignorantand we've proven it time and
time again.
No matter the voting bloc, nomatter the representation, you

(01:09:33):
have citizens voting againsttheir interest in every
political cycle.
Right, and that's irrelevant.
Yeah, that's irrelevant whetheryou're blue or red.
You have this large block ofconstituents who blindly vote
for colors, like they'rerepresenting gang members,

(01:09:56):
instead of voting on issues.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Um, and that that, I think is, is really, really bad
um, yeah, so liberty, I I agreewith you we've talked about this
before that I think one of thenumber one, if not the number
one issue was is the border.
We've talked about how thetrans issue came up.
I think the trans issue wasmore just one of those shiny

(01:10:21):
objects that that was easy tokind of kind of show how out of
touch the Dems were.
The Dems were because if you go, if you're a common sense
person and you say girls, sportsshould be for girls, and you
have the other side say no no,no, no, no no that's an easy win

(01:10:41):
, and so I think that's why thatbecame such a big deal, when
realistically, it's a minorissue that should be fixed
pretty easily for the most partdid.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I show you the one where they said she's a third
gender.
Now, did you see that one yet?
Oh yeah, yeah, I saw that onethat was hilarious, um yeah well
.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
What that was too, though, is she's talking to
somebody else, and then the dudewho is is interviewing that's
not really him interviewing youyeah, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yeah, that was a cut in, but this is listening to her
talk about.
It is just, I think a lot of Ithink, for good or bad, people
like that are have taken overthe voice and the platform of
the blue brain.
Right, those words, that's theimage that pops up.

(01:11:31):
Right, you know, for better orfor worse, that's the image that
pops up, like when you hear BLMor you hear woke or something
like that.
Right, you automatically, youknow, inherently have an image
that pops up right, based off ofportrayals.
Same way with MAGA right, yousit back and you say, oh well,
when you hear MAGA, you think acertain way.

(01:11:53):
But in real, you know, the realpicture is just.
Most of it is just peopletrying to live their lives Right
, and they're just trying to dowhat they believe is right,
based off how they grew up intheir belief system.
Where the media has, they'vemanipulated their responsibility

(01:12:15):
and take advantage of people'sinherent trust or inherent
biases.
Right, and they amplify it.
They amplify it and it'sperverse what they're doing, man
.
That's why I really wish Iguess what it came on this week,
but that I'm sure we'll get himres're doing man.
That's why I really wish Iguess what it came on this week.
I'm sure we'll get himrescheduled, man, he had some

(01:12:36):
issues and he apologized, butwe'll get him rescheduled.
That bothers me to no endbecause I don't like to see
people being manipulated eitherway Good, bad, indifferent.
I am principled in the factthat I can deal with I would
rather deal with an outrightracist right, a devout racist

(01:13:00):
who tells me and a devoutseparatist who says I don't like
you, I don't want you near me,you go left.
I don't have any ill intent.
If you decide to do greatthings, do great things, just do
it over there.
Right, I can deal with that allalong.
Like I told you, the greatestthreat to societal progress is a
fake ally, and we just got.

(01:13:22):
We got too much of that insociety.
We got too much of that, toomuch lip service where people
are so quick to say they supporta cause, whether it's red or
blue, but when it's time toinfluence policy that truly
affects or benefits people,they're silent.
And that's where, I guess,that's where the frustration and
the irritation for me kind ofhit.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
For me, part of the problem is that the best and
brightest don't go into politics, because we've seen how dirty
and gross it is right.
Go back, let's say, 30 yearsand it's 1996.
Instead of Bob Dole on theRepublican ticket, it's Thomas

(01:14:09):
Sowell, an actual conservative,an actual yeah he well, I mean
he would have been the pre-obamabut I would you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
I would have took a, I would have took a power ticket
.
We talked about that before.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Right, oh for sure, yeah, yeah, I would have voted
for colin powell too yeah, themissed opportunity of power.
Sure, so I'm.
I'm just talking about a, thereason I say Thomas Sowell, you
could say Krautheimer.
I'm talking about a talentedconservative intellectual, right

(01:14:45):
, right, and at the same timenow you could say there are some
people on the left that areseen as intellectuals, as well.
Now you could say there are somepeople on the left that are
seen as intellectuals as well.
That I mean, like if Krugman,who wrote for the Economist, who

(01:15:16):
won the Cruz, is a red Ted Cruzis a.
I like Ted Cruz too, but TedCruz is a red meat Republican.
I don't think he's a.
I don't necessarily think he isa conservative, conservative
stalwart, like again, I takeMike Lee over Ted Cruz.
That said, I originally thoughtDan Crenshaw was going to be a

(01:15:38):
really strong standard bearerfor Republicans as a
conservative, and he has notbeen.
That he's turned into a grifterSurprise.
And they all do it.
AOC People who think AOC wasgoing to be this.
You know, leftist a a, somebodywho stands up for the workers

(01:15:58):
because she comes from a commonbackground and she was just a
bartender, so she's going towork for the common person.
No aoc, yeah, she's a cult ofpersonality.
Ted cruz is to a degree, umcrenshaw was trying to be.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
I mean for sure AOC is trying to take over Bernie's
banner, right?
I think Bernie has taken, he'sready to hand it to her and I
think she's going to.
He's going to pass the baton toAOC for this next wave.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
And I just I can't, I can't tell you how many
Republicans I see online and onX say please let her be the her
and Crockett they're like,please let that be the ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
I will tell you, I will tell you be fearful of
Crockett.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
She has so many idiocracy moments.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
You can say she's smart and she might be, but she
has so many soundbites out therethat are just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Here's the problem you got with Crockett, and I
love Jasmine, jasmine is a firestarter.
She's a fire brain, and if youstand in front of the camera
long enough, you're bound tomake a gasp.
See president Trump.
See Margaret Taylor green.
See pick Pick a person rightJasmine Crockett is smart enough
to move the masses and shegives a shit and she's real.

(01:17:24):
You can sit back and say, yeah,well, I don't know, but I'm
telling you Crockett is theanti-Trump.
Telling you Crockett is theanti-Trump, she is to young
Democrats what Trump was tomoderate Republicans.
Looking for a face in amovement, I would be More than
AOC.
Yeah, absolutely, because AOCis Really, because here you have

(01:17:47):
progressive fatigue and that'sthe problem that the Democrats
are going to have to face with.
I believe they got progressivefatigue Right, like, hey, man,
we don't care, we don't care.
Nothing you say right now is isresonating, right, you talk
about.
You talk about prices.
We don't care, you talk about.
What I care about is am I safeat the border or am I perceived

(01:18:11):
to be safe at the border?
Is am I safe at the border oram I perceived to be safe at the
border?
And do I?
You know, can you govern from aposition of strength?
And I don't think the Democratshave picked that up yet, right,
like everything you hear fromthe Democrats is oh, the only
reason you say that is becauseyou hate Trump, no matter who's
the messenger from theDemocratic Party.
The only thing that the onlything the average person on the

(01:18:33):
street is hearing is I hateTrump or we're doing this to
stop Trump?
As long as the perception ofyour platform is you hate Trump,
you're destined to fail.
It doesn't matter what face youput in there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
What are you for about what you're against?
I think the red team will bethere.
What are you for not?

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
what you're against, right and it I would.
I think the red team would beexceptionally happy to have
Jasmine Crockett stay in Texasand attack her from there,
because if she is allowed togain momentum on a national
stage, she could be problematic.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
I don't think.
So that's fine.
Yeah, there's a.
I just don't think, even Now,if you say in 2040 maybe, I'm
not saying for a nationalpresidential contender.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
She's far from that right now.
No, that's what, that's right.
Yeah, no, no, no, no, twenty,if we're talking twenty eight,
I'm looking at, I'm looking atthe boy they passed over in
Pennsylvania, shapiro.
Shapiro Buttigieg is anotherone who has secretly held his
own.
I think he's going to have anissue because of the whole

(01:19:55):
homophobia thing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
I don't think so.
I think he's going to run it.
You remember, in was it 2012,scott Walker for Minnesota, who
originally had a lot of buzzaround him and then his
personality just fizzled becausehe really didn't have one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
That's how I see Buda getting.
We'll see a lot of that's goingto come down into the primary.
He's going to have to be battletested in the primaries you got
.
Even Brashear out of Kentuckyis a name to be looking out for
in 2028.
Who?

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
was it this week that came out and said I like
governors because governors haveoh, you know, it might have
been the former, the formerRepublican speaker of the House.
He was on Bill Maher and hesaid I like governors because
governors have experience inactually running states, they

(01:20:52):
actually have the experience ofdoing some of these things, and
the senators, and that they justthey don't have that type of
experience, right.
So you know, if I do thinkagain, I think you're going to
have, on the Republican side,you're going to have DeSantis
2.0.
You're going to have, of course, jd Vance.
I think Vivek, if he was smart,he actually would have run for

(01:21:14):
governor he's running for.
Is he running for governor orSenate of Ohio?

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I think he was trying to run for.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
Senate seat.
If he's smart, I think he woulddo better as governor and get
that governor time under yourbelt.
I still think Abbott out ofTexas is a great pick.
You know Greg Easterbrook hassaid the governor of Rhode
Island he really likes.
He's brought up GretchenWhitmer from Michigan.

(01:21:43):
I don't see her.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
I don't see her surviving on the national stage.
Man, like she's good.
She's good regionally, but forme she reminds me of what's the
boy out of california?
Um, I don't think newsom standsfor fans like newsom.
Newsom is the democraticversion of ron de sanchez, right
, like he's.
He's pseudo popular, but likeif you put him on the fire he

(01:22:05):
folds like a wet blanket everytime.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
I don't think well, and you and you see newsom
making the rounds of turning andtrying to run to the.
He's going to run because he'srunning to the middle right now.
Yeah, he came out last monthand said, well, obviously boys
shouldn't be playing in girlssports.
It's like, dude, that's notwhat you've been saying for the
last four years.
Like, you know how easy it isto do that.

(01:22:28):
That.
Um, as far as that goes, it'sgoing to be.
I think it's going to be reallyinteresting because the
democrats, uh, they aoc crockettsome of those people.
They're trying to go with theyounger, but then they turn
around and do something to meincredibly stupid and named
david hogg as the vice chair ofthe democratic party.

(01:22:52):
It's like, really, that's,that's who you think should be,
should be the second in chargeof the DNC.
Listen, I mean that kid.
If, if, that kid isn't just ata school shooting and, by the
way, he was not really involvedin the school shooting.
From all reports he was like onthe other end of school.

(01:23:12):
He wasn't where the danger was,his life was never in danger.
Um, he got funded by some, somepeople that that said, here's a
young, good-looking, articulateguy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
I was danger close, it counts.
He could have got it.
He could have got a case amortar might have gone off.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
If I was only because I was 150 yards away, a mortar
might have hit me.
So, yeah, right, I was, I waswithin range of a cruise missile
.
And but you know the DemocratsI think they do stuff like that.
They shoot themselves in thefoot and not to say Republicans
are perfect.
Don't get me wrong, republicansdo stupid things too, but

(01:23:51):
ultimately, you and I are on thesame page.
I don't care who it is, as longas it's somebody that is going
to actually go in and try to dothe job, and try to pass the
budget, and try to pass lawsthat actually have teeth and
meaning, and try to do thethings that make this country a
better place, and I mean thebudget.

(01:24:12):
I don't know, call me crazy.
I think there are certainthings that should be done, like
passing a budget.
We haven't had a budget.
I don't think we've had abudget signed and passed since
Clinton was in office.
So at what point do you go?
I would love, and I would lovefor Democrats to get behind this

(01:24:32):
.
I would love for Republicans toget behind this.
I would love for Republicans toget behind this.
All of the governors gettogether and do a constitutional
Congress, since Congress isn'tgoing to do it and pass some new
, new constitutional amendments.
Federal term limits, the secondbeing Congress shall pass no

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law from which they are exempt,and the third one being any year
that a federal budget is notpassed by the legal date,
whatever date that is, shallmake every member of Congress
ineligible for re-election forfour years.
You pass those three.
What does that do to thiscountry?

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
So before we head out of here, you mentioned term
limits and I got to bring it up.
So the argument for the thirdterm is that because the POTUS
is the only elected official whohas term limits and no other
official has term limits, thenhis term limits is

(01:25:38):
unconstitutional.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
So they should be able to present the constitution
now which is bananas.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
But see again, that goes back to that goes back to
pushing the limits of what I canand can't get away with.
They know it's in theConstitution.
I know they know that's thething that pisses me off.
I know they know, but it's agreat soundbite.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Isn't there a better argument and I don't know, I'd
have to go wrong, what the exactwording is but isn't the better
argument to say well, theConstitution says you can only
be elected for two terms, and Ihaven't been elected for two
terms, I was elected for one andnow I'm elected for a different
one, and so my times are—to meat least that's a more clever

(01:26:21):
argument.
I don't know, maybe theConstitution is pretty clear.
I think it's pretty clear.
Regardless, he's not goingto—he's not going to but,
liberty, I'm going to disagreewith you.
I used to believe the same thing.
I used to think term limits hey, every election is a term limit
.
But I think that the way themedia works, the manipulation

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and the powers that be betweenthe Republicans and the
Democrats, and the uneducation,miseducation, de-education,
non-education of the votingpublic, makes it impossible to
have a well-informed electorate.
And so, unless you're going toput litmus tests in and the

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problem with that, not evenlitmus tests, but general, not
litmus but general knowledgetests in place, and people will
say, well, that'sdisenfranchising for poor people
or whatever, which is kind offunny because it's like I want
to disenfranchise stupid people.
Let's be honest, I don't wantstupid people voting, but
they're going to because that'stheir right and so, whether I

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want it or not like if somebodycan't tell me how many Supreme
Court justices there are nottheir names, just how many Like
I think there's some very basicquestions that should be
involved.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
You would eliminate 60% of voters who are eligible
for voting.
Cool, I mean, we should come upwith our civics test, the most

(01:28:06):
basic how many branches ofgovernment are there?
How many members of the SupremeCourt are there?
Let's see how many states arethere.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Have you seen those man on the street interviews?
Oh, yeah, yeah, they purposelydo the worst ones, you know, you
know they probably interview ahundred people.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
oh, yeah, I'm sure they do.
It's just hilarious though I'mjust.
Oh, they are imagining.
Yeah, I'm just imagining it'syeah, liberty, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
They could not pass that test.
But I'm not even saying passthe citizen test, that's not
even what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about just the barebasic civics question and you
don't have to score 100.
Let's say 10 questions andagain things like how many
branches of government are thereand maybe one of them is you

(01:28:46):
get lucky to name one of themand maybe you even make it
stupid.
Like question one is how manybranches of government are there
and the second one name one ofthe three branches of them and
maybe you even make it stupid.
Like question one is how manybranches of government?
are there and the second onename one of the three branches
of government.
Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
If, right now, you were required to go renew your
driving test after five years,how many people do you believe
will be able to pass the drivingtest renewed on percentage base
?

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
If, if they knew, okay, well, no, no, they didn't
know they had to.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
No, they didn't know.
So you're no study.
And based off of experience,based off of your driving
experience.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
So you've driven five years and then they just
randomly call you up and say,hey, you got three days to come

(01:29:43):
and renew your driver's test, orwe're taking your license from
you.
How many people?
20 to be extremely optimistic.
That's your voting block.
Well, that is your thing, butremember, you're voting well,
and the reason I say that,though, is because you also a
large number of drivers, areover 60 years old and haven't
taken a driver's test, and thedriver's test has changed well,
it's the same thing in congress.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
A large number of our members of congress are over 60
years old and they haven't readthe constitution since they
took a citizen class in in theox but we're, but we're not
talking.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
We're not talking about the people that are in
congress, we're talking aboutthe voters.
I, I, I think you took theaverage.
I believe if you took theaverage senator or congressman
and the questions we're asking,they're going to get up and down
, they're going to get 90percent right, because I'm
talking about like, oh yeah, doyou think the average senator

(01:30:27):
can say how many, how manyjustices of the Supreme Court
there are?

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Senators, yes, representatives.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
You're a congressman.
Representatives In the House,yeah, no, no, no, I'll bet them
I don't think there's any thatwould probably miss that
question.
How many branches of government?
They all get that one right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
I'm not so sure, but I just that is extremely
optimistic for ourRepresentatives.
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Well, yeah, but at the same time, I don't think
they are effectively.
If you, what is the word we use?
I don't know what the word.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Hold on, I'll give you.
We got two candidates right andwe can cut it off here.
So we're going to find out.
So I'll give you to keep going,I don't care.
Well, you got.
So you got Marjorie TaylorGreene representing the red team
, you got Jasmine Crockettrepresenting the blue team,
right, and we're going to do the10 question, civics question.
Who do you think gets the mostright, or do you think either

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one of them packs?

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
what's passing out of 10, we'll call.
We'll call.
7 out of 10, we'll go.
1990, standard the above.
Here's the crazy thing.
I think they both get 9 out of10, at least no way I, I don't
think here's why because we'renot talking about tough
questions, we're not asking whatarticle of the Constitution
guarantees the legislature iswriting the laws.

(01:32:22):
OK, but I'm talking the mostlike do I think they both know
that there are 50 states?
Yeah, do I think they both knowthe capital of the United
States of America is WashingtonD?
Can they name one of the threebranches of government?
Yes, they can.
I'm sure they can Listen, man.
I'm talking about stuff that isso ridiculously.

(01:32:43):
What is the name of the warwhere the United States battled
itself between the Confederacyand the Union?
Do I think they both knowthat's the Civil War?
Yes, what document is used asthe basis of government, now
that one does one of them saythe Declaration of Independence

(01:33:07):
instead of the Constitution,maybe.
Maybe one of the two missesthat two.
Wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Your own president who was asked about the
Constitution.
Well, you know, I'm going to gowith Declaration of
Independence and he said well,it's a declaration, obviously,
and it's a declaration of loveand unity, and he was talking
about when they asked him whatwas the Declaration of
Independence.
So if you got the POTUS sayingthis right, I have to believe

(01:33:37):
that we got just as many not soinformed members of Congress
about our founding documents andthe importance thereof.
Hell, if you asked them whatwas the preamble, I don't think
half of them would know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
I'd have to review the we Enough to remember the we
, the people.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
I'm not even asking you to tell me what it says.
Just what is it?
Oh, just the.
We, the people.
If you ask the averageCongressman, where does the,
where does the preamble go to?
Does it go to the pledge ofallegiance?
Does it go to the USconstitution?
Does it go to the or just somerandom stuff?
Or does it go to the article ofthe federation?
Or Does it go to the or justsome random stuff, right?
Or does it go to the Articlesof Confederation, or does it go

(01:34:22):
to the Bible?
Yeah, Like I guarantee you.
I guarantee you, a significantnumber of our representatives
will fail that question and thatis scary, but the thing is
that's my point.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
I don't want it to be difficult.
That's not difficult though.
I understand that, but for somepeople it is.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
What is the bar?
What are the colors of the flag?
Washington DC God damn right,All right, you're good
Congressman, Go ahead and go.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
So here's the funny thing like that, like if that
could be one of the questions.
What are the three?
What are the three prominentcolors on the flag?
You might have some people likeyellow and green, the gas flag,
that's the only flag I reckon,or is it yellow or black?
So?
But preamble OK, you could tripsome people up with the

(01:35:20):
preamble, sure.
You know what is how many, howmany questions or how many, how
many amendments are in the Billof Rights.
That would get some people theoriginal Bill of Rights.
But again, if you're saying youstill only need to get seven

(01:35:41):
out of ten, I think they allpass.
I do think MTG and Crockett,both again depending on which
question, and then what you haveto do is you actually have to
have about 20 questions.
So when you hand it out they'reall different, just like in
high school, you know.
So you can't look over atsomebody else.

(01:36:02):
What did you get for three?
I don't know, that's adifferent one than you, oh my
God.
Three, the three, the Bible?
No, no, that's not mine.
Mine doesn't say the Bible onthree, mine says the legislature
.
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
number three so I can cut this point clean.
If we were to give the membersof Congress the sitting members
of Congress a 20 question civicstest With the grading criteria
being 70 percent above, what isthe percentage of sitting

(01:36:39):
Congress members do you thinkwill pass?

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
When we're talking about basic level civics.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Basic.
We're talking 9th grade.
What is 9th grade?

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
civics 9th grade civics.
I think there is a 95% passrate at least.
No way, no way.
Now high school civicsics Ithink if you're talking high
school civics it probably dropsdown to around 85 percent so
what do you think about?

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
what do you think?
Members of the administration.
Members of the administrationhow many?
You think okay?
Yeah, we, we're definitelycutting this up and I got to get
the comments.
Matter of fact, this is goingto be the first segment we run
this week, because I have tohear the comments.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
There is no way I never see the comments anyway,
I'm thinking 60% at best andwith that you could put a thing
that says go to the poll andvote and see what happens, but
okay, but hold on.
This goes back to a verysimilar thing in terms of if you

(01:37:49):
ask the average person, if weasked you 20 questions about the
country, about civics first ofall, how many people don't even
know what civics is?
Right country about civics.
First of all, how many peopledon't even know what civics is
Right?
But if you were to say we'regoing to ask you 20 questions,
what would the average personand again, let's go ninth grade

(01:38:10):
civics or high school, becauseyou're going to have a huge drop
, because I don't think evenninth graders.
I think if you had ninth gradecivics questions for ninth
graders, they do better than theaverage American because
hopefully they've been studyingit that year.
But the further you get awayfrom a civics class, it's like

(01:38:31):
anything, you forget about it,unless you're somebody who likes
politics, like you.
Ask our audience anybody who'swatching this and is willing to
pay attention to what we'resaying.
Ask our audience anybody who'swatching this and is willing to
pay attention to what we'resaying.
My guess is their knowledge oncivics is actually probably
pretty high.
Right, but if you talk toSportsbro, who is only worried

(01:38:51):
about NFL or NBA or what's goingon in the playoffs yeah, I mean
civics I don't give a crap.
I don't care about governmentstuff.
What do I care?
I think that's the person who'sstill going out and voting every
four years.
Yeah, I think they have to Noteven that, though, what's our
voting turnout every year ofeligible voters Are we lucky to

(01:39:13):
get.
Have we even broken 50%recently?

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
No, I think the Biden one was the highest turnout
because he was, you know, youliterally could do it from your
couch, literally.
You know what?
I think they have a show.
Are you Smarter Than a FifthGrader?
For a Reason?
Yeah, I am extremelypessimistic, so I'm betting low
when it comes to that sort ofthing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
So, liberty, I get your point.
That said, knowing what theylike by the media or whoever it

(01:40:04):
is, I think that that's wherethe problem becomes.
If you are going to listen toTrump or Biden, or MTG or OAC
and say, oh well, what they sayis just good enough, I'm good,
that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
I'll give you a prime example.
Right, I'll give you a primeexample.
So they did a split poll whenthey were doing testing.
They sent a poll out toRepublican voters and they asked
them two questions Out of thetwo policies, which policy did
you prefer and why?
The first policy was Obamacare.

(01:40:40):
The second policy was theAffordable Care Act.
Right, and astoundingly, theyvoted overwhelmingly that they
could not.
They hated the Obamacare planand they had every reason in the
book about privacy and mylawyers and this, that and the

(01:41:00):
other.
But on that same exact poll,the very next question, they
voted overwhelmingly for theAffordable Care Act because it
was a solid policy.
So that's why Liberty knowsthey need to know more than just
the policy, because people,again, are ignorant and they can
be.
They can be manipulated easily.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Yeah.
And if you did that same pollfor Democrats and said what,
what was your favorite part ofthe inflation reduction act?
Exactly For Democrats, 95%would say what it brought down
inflation.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Yeah, it's, that's what I'm saying.
So either red or blue is thesame thing.
Just, the vast majority ofpeople.
They don't care to go past theheadline, right?
Or you can attach it A primeexample what was the other one?
The uproar about the emails,right?
Or I'll give you a better one.

(01:41:59):
Right, trump and Mar-a-Lagowith the documents?
Right, it was absolutely,absolutely.
And then two weeks later, bidenhad him in a Corvette, in a
garage and everybody's like butit's the same thing, it's the
same thing.
So people are easilymanipulating it and that's a

(01:42:19):
psychology thing, right?
You know, it just depends onwhat your biases are.

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
Oh, liberty, you're now making our argument for us,
the information that they get.
If it's not a, if kids are outof school, I would argue at
least 90% of kids do not read abook after high school.

(01:42:50):
I defend the right of people toremain stupid as well, but I
don't want them voting.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
But they affect the rest of us, though, with their
voting.
But you know what the coolthing about it I found out?
You know what's really coolabout that is that's how America
no, you're good, that's howAmerica always has been right.
So, matter of fact, what wasthe election cycle when David

(01:43:20):
Crockett was getting electedinto the Senate out of Tennessee
?
They did.
They did the exact similarthing, right?
So a lot of this, a lot of thiswas the exact same way, right?
But they use newspapers andpeople were sending in comments
and all this other stuff, theexact same way we're doing

(01:43:40):
digitally.
And it just showed it.
Yeah, it just showed themajority of the country.
If you don't recognize the name, or if you don't don't, you
know, recognize the policy thatthat your favorite politician
has associated the name with you, don't give two shits about it,
right?
So it's not.
It's not unique what we'regoing through.

(01:44:01):
It just.
I guess, with the access, we'reable to see it more abundantly.
Right, like America has alwaysdone.
We've I mean we've always beenmisinformed or easily
manipulated Americans have whenit comes to voting.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
So I think there's a little bit difference here,
because in the 1700s and 1800sthe problem was there weren't
enough schools and there weren'tenough kids going to school and
getting formal educationsbecause of the agrarian style of
America.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Fair enough, because of the agrarian style of America
, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
So those that went to school got a pretty decent
education, more classicaleducation, 20th century rolls
around.
There you go Right, right.
Then you roll around into the20th century and this is when
the public school system startscoming into play and they start

(01:44:59):
making it.
Basically some of the well, Imean it was, it was social
engineering by a lot of the mega, you know the Rockefellers and
I'm not saying Rockefellerhimself, but Rockefeller, chase
Ford, all those guys and theywere basically saying we need
workers, so we're going toeducate them just well enough to

(01:45:20):
be able to read an instructionmanual, so then go work in the
factories.
So until we get to the pointwhere education becomes a
priority and I don't know ifthat will ever happen, I don't
know.
It's amazing to me I talked tomy kids about this that they
don't like to read and theydon't like to read books.
And you know my youngest, shedoes TikTok or whatever.

(01:45:43):
And the amazing thing is like,if you're a boomer or you're a
Gen Xer, you look at this andyou go this is the most
incredible thing in the historyof humanity.
This little device is morerevolutionary than airplanes,
than nuclear power, than fire,like really.

(01:46:03):
This is it.
This is the pinnacle of humanevolution, where we're at, and
human knowledge.
And these kids use it to watchsilly videos about silly things
and lip syncs and whatever else.
And if you say, hey, I'll giveyou $10 if you go on and you
actually read a book, and theygo, man, it's not worth it.

(01:46:26):
You know it's such a disconnect.
And when idiocracy becomes thereality, of whether it's the
United States or whatever, ofwhether it's the United States
or whatever, I don't know ifit'll quite get that bad,
because by then we'll be underthe Japanese overlords who

(01:46:46):
actually are still worried abouteducation.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Yeah, I want to bring this up, so I left it up for a
reason.
So, liberty, when he wastalking about you know in rural
areas with low literacy rates.
Crockett's legend being passedaround like folklore is the
exact same thing that AI isdoing and deep fake manipulation

(01:47:13):
.
It's the same thing, right, itis the same thing.
And I'll give you a primeexample.
Right, people will say, oh well, biden was good for the economy
Eventually sure, there are somethings that could be
manipulated.
Or they'll say, oh, I'll giveyou the immigration issue, right
?
Oh, immigration is that theother.
But then you tell them well,president, 44 deported more

(01:47:35):
people than Trump and Bidencombined.
And they're like oh well, Ididn't know that.
Right, so it's the same thing,it's.
There's a difference.
We have access.
We have access now to moreknowledge than at any other time
in human history, yet we arethe most ignorant.
I think we are.

(01:47:57):
We are at the precipice ofbeing the most ignorant society
in human history, and I don'tthink that's a coincidence, I
think it's by design.
And I said this before with theracist diatribe right, they
used to have this racist tropethat came out in the 90s.
We used to hear it a lot, and Ithink I told you about it

(01:48:17):
before.
If you wanted to hide anythingfrom a nigga, put it in a book,
and I think, just like, yeah,you can't say that I got it, I
got this part.
So I think, just like with that, just like with Pratt, it
spilled over into society'smainstream.
What was once meant for acertain segment our poorest and

(01:48:41):
our uneducated has now spilledover into the mainstream.
And now it is normal to beuneducated, it is normal to be
loud and wrong, or loud andmisinformed than to be quiet and
knowledgeable.
But yeah, I talked a lot, dan,go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
Okay, no, that's fine .
I want to talk about Thad'spoint and then keep going
through and Liberty's last point.
Okay, thad said we place avalue in everything but
education.
We punish people for becomingeducated in this country.
I don't know if punished is theright word.
I think mocked might be theright word, but that's true of.

(01:49:23):
That's been going on for a long, long time, because when you
have the kids going out inpublic schools, those kids who
excelled were called bookworms,they were called eggheads.
They were oh, look at that nerd.
This goes.
Look, this happened to me backin the.
You know, I was growing up inthe 80s and oh, what a nerd.
Oh he's, he's just a total.

(01:49:45):
Yeah, he can go, he'll look athim, he does his test and get
a's on everything.
What a nerd and like.
And then you had and the ironicthing is, then you had a movie
like revenge of the nerds comeout and suddenly it was like,
maybe it's okay to be a nerd,right get out of my head, man.
No, the nerds got the nerds comeout and suddenly it was like
maybe it's OK to be a nerd,right, the nerds you know.
Hey, look at the end of themovie the nerd got the girl out

(01:50:07):
Right.
So there's this wholeturnaround and you start seeing
the jocks kind of as the bigmeathead idiots.
But ironically, you know mostjocks honestly most jocks do
actually pretty well in school.
So it's this kind of this idea,this stereotyping, that happens
.
But Liberty as far as by designor conspiracy, the fact that

(01:50:28):
people or the fact that peopleare lazier, now I do think.
Originally again, I do think itwas by design to some degree,
because those people that werefunding a lot of the education
initiatives in this country werethe very large, powerful men
that ran factories and thingsthat you need.

(01:50:50):
You need to have a certainlevel of I don't want to say
stupidity, because that's notthe right word you have to have
a apathy.
You have to have a certainlevel of apathy to be able to
take, take a uh a a nut and putit onto a post and repeat 5 000

(01:51:18):
times a day, because your job isto put the gears onto the
gearbox and that is your job.
You have to do that 5,000 timesa day.
If you don't have a level ofapathy, you're going.
What am I doing?
This is the dumbest thing ever.
But here's the funny thing I'vebeen making this argument now

(01:51:39):
for almost 20 years.
We are all now George Jetson.
Do you remember what GeorgeJetson's job at Spacely
Sprockets was?
On the Jetsons, he pressed abutton.
That was his job.
Service industry.

(01:52:02):
Now it's pressing a button.
You go online and you arepressing buttons, or you're a
bank teller and you pressbuttons or whatever.
We are a service industrydriven country that has got away
from building things and doingthings ironically, from doing
the sprocket to pressing buttons, but it's the same idea.
So I think that it did come offof that.
But now, now Liberty.

(01:52:23):
Yes, you're absolutely right,and that's a whole nother thing
we've we've talked about, Ithink.
I think some of our upcomingguests.
We've got a guest that's comingup in the next two months.
We're going to be talking aboutschools and how schools are
failing and anti intellectualism.
I've started reading a bookthat she brought up.
We've talked to her and we'regoing to bring it the idea of

(01:52:46):
liberty.
They want to work, lesspart-time work.
They want their ideas respected.
Here's the problem.
That's not even what they want.
They want to be able to becomerich and famous because they
made funny videos yeah, andfamous because they made funny
videos yeah.
And when you have anunrealistic expectation of I'm
going to become an influencerand I'm going to make money

(01:53:08):
because I can create, and yousee it, there are.
There are people who do this, mrBeast.
I think we all know who MrBeast is.
I read a report that Mr Beastwas offered a billion dollars
for his channels and his contentand to continue to a billion
dollars, and he turned it downand that was the right move.

(01:53:32):
Who broke it down and said,with how much he's making, he
shouldn't sell it because thisis what he does.
But for every one, mr Beast,there's a thousand guys like KG
and I who do podcasts thataren't going to go anywhere.
Kg and I really don't do thisbecause it's like, oh, we're
going to get big and we're goingto get a big audience, we're

(01:53:53):
going to start making money,we're going to be able to retire
For us.
Like KG and I, my wife has saidwhy do you do that?
You guys don't make any moneyon it.
Blah, blah, blah.
I say it's not about money.
This guarantees that I can talkto my friend for an hour or two
every week, and so this startedoff as us just BSing over
lunches and it's evolved into usbeing able to talk online the

(01:54:17):
same way as we did in lunchesand we think it's interesting
for us, so maybe other peoplefind it interesting.
So, yeah, ai is going to do alot of this stuff.
Ai is going to Grok.
You can make music on some ofthis AI stuff that sounds.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
Time is kicking our ass in content production anyway
, right Like that sounds.
China's kicking our ass incontent production anyway, right
Like that's.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
Yeah.
We are, ai will never be able tosit down and have a discussion.
That, to me, I don't think,though I don't think AI will be
able to sit down and have anoff-the-cuff discussion in a way
that is interesting enough tokeep it involved.
But I could be wrong, becauseI've had some discussions with
Grok recently and tried to tripup the AI, and I've been able to

(01:55:06):
.
I've been able to get AI tocontradict itself, and then
suddenly it goes oh, you'reright to point out the
contradiction.
It's like yeah, because thealgorithm tells you to do that.
Right, china's not way smarterthan us.
China just has way more people.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
That's what Zillow got in trouble for.
That's what got him kicked outof Doge.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
Yeah.
So here's that.
I agree it will never replacehuman creativity completely, but
it will be able to createmediocre content that people
will watch and ingest enoughthat it will damage the average

(01:55:45):
mediocre.
So if I'm a writer for theHallmark movie, if I'm a writer
of Hallmark movies, I'm scaredcrapless about AI.
Because if I go in and say, hey, ai, write me a tool, write me
a script, go back and read allthe scripts from Hallmark movies

(01:56:08):
over the last 20 years andwrite me a script about a young
girl in a small town that doesthis, this and this and kind of,
just put it in and it'll spitout a very generic and somebody
will produce it.
It because you already seeHallmark making the movies like
that True comedy and trulyinteresting movies.

(01:56:29):
Are you going to have a AI beable to do what Christopher
Nolan does?
No.
Are you going to be able tohave them do what Larry David
does?
No.
Are you going to have an AIlate night host that is
basically Space Ghost?
Yeah, you will, and people willwatch it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
Was that Gene Simmons that talked about?
I think Gene Simmons had anissue with that a while.
He said something to the effectof people are afraid to suck
right, and that's what drives alot of this AI.
Like, back in the day, you hadto, like, get some friends and,
like you know, get booed off oftalent shows in high school and,
you know, get booed out of acouple of bars and play crappy

(01:57:11):
music in your garage for acouple of years before you got
to that point.
But now everything is so instantgratification.
People don't want to go throughthat sucky phase, right, and I
think we're a product of that onour own, because we kind of
steamrolled it as a societywhich shows like American Idol
and this, that and the other.
We give the illusion ofovernight success, but the

(01:57:34):
reality is it takes years ofhard work to become an overnight
success, right, and that'swhere people not only in
entertainment but people arerealizing that in school too,
like, oh, nobody wants to put inthe work to learn, right, they
want a micro loan, they want todo everything in micro doses.
What's the most bang I can putin the least amount of time.

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
Yeah, why do I need to know?
Why do I need to know?
I've got it all right here.

Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
I don't know, man.
I think we're past the tippingpoint of changing.

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
Maybe, I hope not.

Speaker 2 (01:58:12):
You have again, like I said, history with its
indicators.
In the 80s we had a presidentout of California who was a
governor, who had an issue withan educated African-American
populace, right.
So his solution to that was toraise the prices of schools,

(01:58:35):
right, and I think that was thecreation of of our friends
Fannie and Freddie Right whowith the.
That was the creation of of ourfriends Fannie and Freddie
Right who with theprovisionalization of student
loans and that's, when you seethat, that huge boom in tuition.

Speaker 3 (01:58:47):
So we got the, but then you had W come in and do.
No Child Left Behind.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Well, again too.
But that was no Child LeftBehind, with the addition of
cutting out the service, theservice courses which led to
creative thinking andentrepreneurship.
Right, it was no child leftbehind.
But at the same time, we'retaking out your shop, we're
taking out a, we're taking yourmusic class, we're taking out.

Speaker 3 (01:59:15):
Oh for sure, Liberty, it probably didn't even take a
minute.
However long it took you towrite in the prompt, it probably
took AI half a second toactually create music.
But I think that Thad's pointis right in that whatever AI can

(01:59:36):
do, it can't do creativitybetter than a human.
I think that's kind of the bigthing.
Now we dumb ourselves down to alarger degree, because I've
always argued with things likeAmerican Idol.
Okay, who wins American Idol?
For the most part there is sometalent.
They can sing.
For the most part, right.

(01:59:57):
But do you think Bob Dylancould have won American Idol?
No Of course not Tom Petty.
No, of course not.
There are some like does OliviaNewton-John win American Idol
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
Does Bruce Springsteen win American Idol?

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
No, Not a chance.
But then again we also havetransgenders that are winning
women's pageants.
We have we have, shall we say,gravitationally blessed women
that are now in beauty pageantsLook.

Speaker 2 (02:00:33):
Personally, I think a beauty pageant should, should
be about people yeah, you shouldbe natural, like you shouldn't
be able to do.
Pageant should be about beauty.
It's a beauty pageant.
Yeah, it should be natural,like you shouldn't be able to do
.
See, and that's you know what.
Man, I don't know if we gotenough time for that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:47):
And people might get mad at me and say how dare you
say that?
It's about looks, it's a beautypageant, the whole point.
Now, if you want to have a,just a pageant for the most
talented person, Look, I'm goingto.
Okay, so when I went on mymission in Taiwan, there was a

(02:01:08):
sister missionary and if thisgets back to her Sorry, sister
Ramirez, who I did not I thoughtSister Ramirez had a lot of
Sister Ramirez and I did not seeeye to eye on a lot of things.
Okay, after our missions.
Now she went back to Wyoming.
She won the Miss Wyomingpageant.

(02:01:30):
Now, she was very talentedmusically and I think.
But as far as, like,attractiveness, I didn't see it.
Now, I'm not going to win any,any beauty pageants or handsome
pageants either.
So don't get me wrong, I'm veryrealistic about it.
But when I saw that I was justlike, seriously, I thought it
was a beauty pageant.
So I think we get away.

(02:01:56):
We've evolved in ways that aregood and we've evolved, evolved
in ways that are bad, and Ithink there is a way back.
And honestly, I think AI isgoing to either pull us back
from the precipice or push usover with both hands.
Because, again, I look at AI andI say, if AI is done in a way

(02:02:19):
that is for the benefit ofmankind, we are going to turn
the corner and take off in everyfield imaginable, because AI
will be able to train people howto learn and push them in ways
and push them in ways Again.

(02:02:40):
Like I would love to have asituation where my 11-year-old
sat down in front of a computerand, according to what
interactions AI has real AI hadwith my daughter, ai comes back
and says all right, mydaughter's really talented in
this, so we're going to make itharder for her to learn, you
know, challenge her more inEnglish, because she's a good

(02:03:04):
writer or whatever it is Right,and where she's not as strong at
math.
I'm going to slow down a littlebit.
Make sure you understand thebasic more and do all that they
can.
They can Liberty, but not in a.
It's not in a way that I thinkis intuitive enough to hand my
daughter off to the AI.

Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
That was the Chinese.
Remember?
We watched a video a couple ofmonths ago about the Chinese
school system, who hadintegrated that.
So you have your own JapaneseJapanese, your own, your own AI
tutor, specifically tied intoyour lesson plan.
So the teacher would give theinstruction, but, based on your

(02:03:47):
performance in homework andclasswork, the tutor would then
create an individualized plan onyour strengths and weaknesses
to help you.
I think that would bephenomenal.
But here's the problem, though.
That leads to a more educatedsociety and a society of
thinkers is dangerous to thosein power.

(02:04:09):
So do I think it's by design.
Sure, it's easier for me tofill your algorithms up with
mundane dances and you knowtrends and stuff that's going to
keep you distracted, as opposedto give you the information and

(02:04:29):
the tools you need.
To know that I'm stealing fromyou and I'm not working in your
best interest, because theminute you find out that I'm not
working in your best interest,you're going to try to hold me
accountable, and that's the lastthing I want you to do.

Speaker 3 (02:04:42):
My wife spends time online Not a ton, but she does.
My kids do.
My wife didn't know what wasgoing on with India and Pakistan
until I told her a couple daysago we were at the brink of
nuclear war and it never came upin her feed.
And yes, the government isintentionally keeping voters
stupid.
Yes, Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:05:04):
I will tell you that.
What happened with the governorfrom California who won the
presidency?
It started with him.
It started before that.

Speaker 3 (02:05:14):
Well, before that, it started in the 20th century.

Speaker 2 (02:05:17):
No, no, no, I'm talking about the intent of that
.
It started in the 20th century.
No, no, no, I'm talking aboutthe intent.
The intent was to shift thelower income and disenfranchised
from being able to beself-sufficient.
What happened was you saw a bigshift in the age where they

(02:05:41):
took out the classes of.
They took out the skillsclasses, right, both parties.
So they took out the skills andentrepreneurial classes, right,
because I think we kind oftalked about this with Dubois

(02:06:02):
and Washington right, where onesays, hey, man, as long as you
have a skill, you're useful.
And then Dubois was like no, no, no, go to college, get an
education and then you'll bemore useful, right.
So we kind of saw that playingout.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying,that we kind of saw that playing
out.
So what happened is they got ridof the auto shops, they got rid

(02:06:24):
of the home makes, they got ridof all the service-based
classes, right, and they filledit with all this mundane stuff.
That's crazy, right.
And then they allowed thestudents to rack up all this
debt, getting these degrees andstuff that holds no quantifiable
value, right, and over time itjust amplified, right.
So it started in the 80s.

(02:06:45):
You had this kind of resurgentin the 90s, where you had this,
this, this Focus shift frombeing a self-sufficient
individual to go to college, getan education Right.
So society shifted and then inthe 90s everybody got degrees
and they had all kinds of weirddegrees in philosophical arts

(02:07:07):
and I got a degree in 13thcentury painting and all this
other stuff right.
And then, as that became morelucrative, people started to see
it as a business opportunity,right.
So then they realized that hey,if I keep offering you degrees
and I keep raising therequirements, I can keep getting
money, because you're going tohave to keep getting loans to

(02:07:28):
pay for college.
So yeah, I do believe it's allby design.
And if I got to go get my 10-4hat, I will absolutely go get my
10-4 hat, but I am convincedthe government wants to keep us
stupid my 10-4 hat, but I amconvinced the government wants
to keep us stupid.

Speaker 3 (02:07:41):
I will say the pendulum is swinging back to a
degree at least.
Here in Georgia there areopportunities for, and in Texas
too.
Construction is a class you cantake.
You can specialize inconstruction, you can do
cosmetology here.

(02:08:02):
I've seen shop here is actuallyone of the classes had a
firefighter.
They could go in and they werevoluntary firefighters yeah,
some different.
So it's kind of swinging backwhere college degrees now are
not necessarily the end.
All be all Right.
And I've tried to push my sontowards plummet honestly,

(02:08:25):
because I think everybody needsa toilet.
But if that's not what he wantsto do, so be it.
The arts are important, but wealso push the idea that
everybody can be an artist.
There's no such thing as goodor bad art, it's all subjective.
Meanwhile the government wentin and bought all the Truman

(02:08:47):
Capote art just to confuse theRussians.
So there's a lot of stuff thathappens behind the scenes.
And.
I agree that degrees used to be.
I do believe degrees used to beabout you went to school for
four years and you showedemployers that you had the

(02:09:07):
willingness to go in and stickwith something for four years
and then that showed something.
But now I'm with KJ.
It's a moneymaker and you haveprofessors that go in and they
check the box maker.
And you have professors that goin and they check the box, and
as long as they get their reallypretty solid paycheck and
without having to do too much,especially once they get tenure,
then they can do whatever theywant and there is there's some

(02:09:31):
legit, legitimate pushback forthat, and so I think I'll, I'll
go last, I'll go last word forme, yep, and then KJ, you can
wrap it up.
But I think that as parents andgrandparents, it is going to be
imperative that the adults thatcare make sure that the children

(02:09:57):
understand why education isimportant, why critical thinking
is important, and then, if thekids aren't willing to do it,
force their kids to learn how tocritically think, because if
you and I've caught, I've beencaught sometimes if you're not
able to tell the differencebetween a real image and an AI
image and it's only going to getworse.

(02:10:21):
A real image and an AI image,and it's only going to get worse
.
You're going to have to reallyput on your cynical glasses and
go.
It's all fake.
And so I'm going to have tofigure this out on my own, and
maybe that's going to be.
The positive pushback is, Ican't trust anybody, so if I
can't figure this out on my own,then it's on.
You know, I'm not going tobelieve anybody else until I
accept it for myself, and maybethat's the basis of that's the

(02:10:44):
basis of religion too, and maybethat's what it becomes is the
religion of self-education,which is not a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (02:10:55):
That's it.
I like it, man?
Um, I guess I would.
I would just piggyback off ofthat and say you know, no, no
ruling society will give you theinformation to overthrow them.
Right?
I've always been a firmbeliever that I will teach my
kids everything they need toknow and I will allow them to

(02:11:17):
supplement my teaching becauseit's my responsibility.
Nobody's going to teach my kidblack history because it's not
their responsibility.
Nobody's going to teach my kidhistory or math, or it's my
responsibility.
The school system willsupplement, and then they do a
shitty job at doing that.
So, personal responsibility,training your tribe, getting

(02:11:40):
your own people where they needto be I think we've got to get
back to that.
We've supplemented, we'vesupplemented too many, too many
of our responsibilities to thegovernment, and now it's time,
as a society, to to take backour own responsibility.
Right, we can no longer blamethe school systems for our kids
being dumb.
As a parent, you have to takesome some right.

(02:12:03):
Right, and you can't you just,you just can't rely on the
government.
It was never meant to be reliedon, and people have, you know,
perverted and manipulated yourbelief system to making you feel
that way.
So you got to take your powerback.
You know self--sustain, get inthe garden, learn how to feed
yourself, learn how to cook,learn how to educate yourself

(02:12:27):
and get ready.
Parents got to get educated too.
Parents got to get educated tooEverybody.
It's a societal issue.
It's's systemic and the onlyway to break it is to be the
first one.
Somebody got to be the firstone, other than that lance.
You got anything else?
Utah?

Speaker 3 (02:12:46):
hey, man, nba draft, nba draft tomorrow night let's
go jazz hey, let's let the pingpong balls fall, in your favor
may may the nba ping pong balls.
Be forever in the jazz's favor,because if there's something we
need, we need need a whitesuperstar in Salt Lake City, a
white superstar man.

Speaker 2 (02:13:05):
I'm telling y'all we'll see y'all next week man.
Hey, liberty, dad, everybodythanks for coming through.
Allie, I know you're gone, baby, but thank you for stopping by.
We always appreciate y'all.
See y'all next week, we out.

Speaker 1 (02:13:19):
Gee man, what do you want to do tonight?

Speaker 2 (02:13:22):
The same thing we do every night.
Pinky, Try to take over theworld.
All right, yo, let's get intoit.

Speaker 1 (02:13:35):
You're preaching freedom.

Speaker 2 (02:13:40):
The hands of the greatest chaplain in the world,
mr Lance O'Neill, try to takeover the world.
And greatest chaplain in theworld, mr Larson Neal.
Take over the world, yo.

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