21 Hats Podcast
The 21 Hats Podcast is a weekly conversation with entrepreneurs who share their challenges and compare notes on how they’re coping with the pandemic, whether their businesses are as profitable as they should be, how big a price they are willing to pay for growth, and why they hired their brother-in-law. Every week, host Loren Feldman has a conversation with three of the show’s six regulars: Karen Clark Cole, CEO of Blink UX; Paul Downs, CEO of Paul Downs Cabinetmakers; Jay Goltz, CEO of The Goltz Group; William Vanderbloemen, CEO of Vanderbloemen Search Group; Dana White, CEO of Paralee Boyd; and Laura Zander, CEO of Jimmy Beans Wool. Every week, the owners talk about news stories that matter to business owners, and track what’s working and what’s not working on their own entrepreneurial journeys. Visit 21hats.com to read episode transcripts and learn more. The show is produced by Jess Thoubboron of Blank Word Productions.
Episodes
April 23, 2024 • 49 mins
This week, in episode 193, Sarah Segal takes Paul Downs and Jay Goltz through her recent QuickBooks nightmare. Right before tax season, Sarah ran her P&L, and it showed a profit of $250,000—but she knew right away that that couldn’t be right. It then took a bookkeeping SWAT team to figure out what exactly had gone wrong. “I was literally on the verge of tears,” Sarah tells us. “How am I going to do this and not be late on filin...
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April 22, 2024 • 20 mins
This week, Victor Hwang, who is founder and CEO of Right to Start, talks about what he and his organization are doing to bring down the barriers that make it harder than it has to be to start and build a business. Among other things, we discuss the state-by-state progress Right to Start has been making, the drivers behind the recent surge in business starts, and the need for capital sources beyond banks and venture capitalists.
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April 16, 2024 • 56 mins
This week, in episode 192, special guest Jenelle Etzel, who majored in weaving, tells Shawn Busse, who majored in ceramics, why she believes attending art school and managing a punk rock band were perfect preparation for building a thriving real estate business. Her agency, Living Room Realty, has 130 brokers, roughly $5 million in revenue, and a market position that stands out among the big boys. While she once considered business...
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April 15, 2024 • 22 mins
This week, Shawn Busse talks about how much harder marketing keeps getting, especially for do-it-yourselfers. The cost of everything keeps going up, and the likely returns keep going down. As Shawn points out, it’s even getting expensive to advertise on podcasts. Wait! People pay to advertise on podcasts!!!!????
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April 9, 2024 • 53 mins
This week, in episode 191, Liz Picarazzi, Jaci Russo, and Laura Zander talk about what it’s been like building a business in partnership with a spouse, and they all agree on some important things. For one, they all say that, had their husband been just another employee, he probably would have been fired. All three say that in their relationships, they are the gas that drives the business, and their husband is the brake that sometim...
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April 2, 2024 • 50 mins
This week, in episode 190, Jay Goltz tells Shawn Busse and Jaci Russo that, while he’s always been good with numbers, he’s never really enjoyed tracking his finances. It’s not what drove him to start a business, and over time, he stopped paying close attention. But now, after seeing his inventory levels and some big expenses get out of control, he’s diving back into the numbers and pretty much serving as his own chief financial off...
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April 1, 2024 • 21 mins
Gene addresses the big legal settlement in which Visa and MasterCard have agreed to cap the fees they charge merchants for five years. He explains both why many merchants are disappointed in the settlement and why he’s perfectly happy to pay those swipe fees when his big-ticket clients pay with a credit card. Plus: Gene discusses the new IRS tax rules you should know about and how the bankruptcy code has made Chapter 11 less of a d...
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March 26, 2024 • 47 mins
This week, in episode 189, Paul Downs, Jennifer Kerhin, and Liz Picarazzi discuss the challenges couples face when one spouse is building a business. Liz says it was important to let her husband know that she spent years working on a business plan before leaving her corporate job to start her first business. Paul explains why, when times have been tough, he hasn’t always shared the bad news with his wife. And Jennifer says too many...
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March 25, 2024 • 19 mins
Obviously, there’s no one-size-fits all answer to that question, but this week Shawn Busse offers up a slew of smart considerations and guidelines to help business owners come up with an answer that makes sense for them. A couple of Shawn’s points: If you haven’t done so already, spend the money getting to know your customers better. Plus: it’s important to understand why digital marketing works for some but not for others.
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March 19, 2024 • 47 mins
This week, in episode 188, we offer you a taste of the 21 Hats Live event we held in Fort Worth two weeks ago. It’s a different kind of event where there are no speakers, only participants. It’s pretty much a three-day, peer-group session for business owners, where we share challenges and insights and make connections. There were 25 of us, including most of our podcast regulars.
For me, the highlight was an exercise that Chris Hutch...
For me, the highlight was an exercise that Chris Hutch...
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March 18, 2024 • 24 mins
This week, Gene Marks tells us it’s time to update your clunky old technology. There was a time when he understood why owners said they were sticking with the old stuff because it wasn’t broken and they didn’t want to endure the pain of transitioning it. But those days are over, says Gene. If you have any hope of selling your business or passing it on to the next generation, it’s time to act. Plus: Why Gene thinks most owners need ...
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March 12, 2024 • 53 mins
This week, in episode 187, Matt Hoying, president of Choice One Engineering, explains to Shawn Busse and Jay Goltz how he created a DIY employee-ownership plan for his firm. Some 10 years ago, Matt’s predecessor as president tasked him with selecting an ownership structure that would engage employees and help Choice One be as successful as possible. That sent Matt on a mission of discovery in which he researched the pluses and minu...
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March 11, 2024 • 21 mins
This week, the founder and CEO of Small Business Majority talks about whether he heard what he wanted to hear in Joe Biden’s State of the Union address, what he makes of recent court rulings asserting that the Minority Business Development Agency must support owners of all races, and what he makes of the growing demand from businesses for more immigration.
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March 5, 2024 • 46 mins
This week, in episode 186, Shawn Busse and Laura Zander discuss what exactly Laura’s job should be. She’s CEO, of course, and she’s been focused on acquisitions and growing the business, but she’s never really found someone to take over the big role she used to play, which leads to these questions: Should she go back to being her own chief marketing officer? Or does she need to go out and spend real money to hire one? And then, tow...
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March 4, 2024 • 20 mins
This week, Gene Marks offers to boldly go where no business owner has gone before. Few of us need to be convinced that artificial intelligence will be transformational, but even fewer of us have the time, energy, and capability to keep checking on which AI apps and platforms are worth using right now. Which is why Gene Marks has given himself precisely that assignment. This week, Gene reports back on what he found when he explored ...
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February 27, 2024 • 40 mins
This week, in episode 185, Jay Goltz, Jaci Russo, and Sarah Segal talk about whether it’s finally time for Jay to enter the brave new world of task-management software. That’s, in fact, what his two kids in the business are encouraging him to do. As it happens, Jaci and Sarah have tried most of the project-management tools out there—Monday, Basecamp, Asana—and they kind of love them, but with one caveat: They can be a lot of work. ...
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February 26, 2024 • 28 mins
All businesses have ups and downs. This week, Tracy Bech, CEO of Starboard Collectives and co-author of the “60 Minute CFO,” offers some guidance on when to ride out a slow period and when to take action. Plus, she also talks about how she’s building an AI tool to help with financial analysis and when it makes sense to hire a fractional CFO.
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February 20, 2024 • 53 mins
This week, in episode 184, Mel Gravely, Liz Picarazzi, and Jaci Russo talk about how they set prices. Jaci explains why she refuses to respond to requests for proposals. “We have not participated in a single RFP in 15 years,” she says, “and we won’t under my watch.” Mel explains how his construction company manages to get work despite always being among the highest-priced bidders (which is why he never gets government jobs). And Li...
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February 19, 2024 • 22 mins
This week, Gene tells Loren Feldman about a little experiment he ran recently in which he boosted a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, that was designed to send people interested in his book on customer relations software to a landing page on his website. X reported that the post was a big success. But was it? Gene offers a slightly profane rebuttal. Plus: He also talks about three Jeff Bezos quotes that he believes can change h...
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February 13, 2024 • 49 mins
This week, in episode 183, Paul Downs, Jay Goltz, and Sarah Segal talk about sexual harassment and where you draw the line with employees. Is it sexual harassment for one employee to ask another for a date? Is it sexual harassment to ask twice? Does it make sense to have a policy of zero tolerance? Or is it better to leave room for discretion and judgment? The conversation was sparked by a recent situation Jay experienced with an e...
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