August 14, 2025 • 36 mins
Corey Winfield & Cori Smoker talk about 217 Recovery, Change, & Getting it right.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the two seventeen Recovery Podcast. If you don't
make mistakes, you won't learn. With your host Corey Winfield,
you know there was a reason why that didn't work out,
and you can look back at it and go, yep,
I'm glad that didn't work out how I wanted it,
because I would have been horrible. Got your ass. It
is the fourteenth of August twenty twenty five. My name
(00:26):
is Cory Winfield and joined by a very special guest today.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
My name is Corey Smoker.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Corey Smoker, how are you doing, Corey?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm doing pretty good.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Good. We did a podcast earlier and we were trying
something new. We were trying the video podcast that all
the kids are doing. Technical issues with the microphone.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, but you know what, we set it up and
we sure did give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah we did. And that's how you learn, and that
is by doing things, usually by failing, and then you realize, okay, well,
next time, we'll don't move or use different microphone or
I don't know something. We had the little wireless go
microphones and it picked up some movement, so so.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
We just realized that I'm gonna keep using this big
awkward one, but you know it works for me.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, it's well, that's a real microphone. You're using the
same microphone Joe Rogan uses. Oh my god, that's so awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, you know, I probably should investigate because I don't
even think I know who Joe Rogan is.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Wow. He's a very funny guy. He's a good he's
a very funny comedian.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
He's does he do a lot of podcasts?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I think so I.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Feel like maybe I did hear some of his stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I've never listened to a Joe Rogan podcast. I'm sure
it's good. I like Joe Rogan. There's nothing against him.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So you like him.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
You've never listened to one, and I don't really particularly
know who.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
He is, but I think I want to say I
did hear.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
One, but I don't I like his stand up.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, now I got something I get to look up
my free time.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
All right, Well, Corey's busy for a few days or
at least ten minutes. And you were like, oh, yeah,
I know that guy.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Well, you never know, and I might in that could
be one hundred percent of true. I was, I might
already know him. I might have already seen him. I
just I'm not really good at the names and the
faces and all that when it comes to people.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
No, And he actually brought a little bit of legitimacy
to podcasting because I remember when we first started back
in twenty nineteen and I did the podcast Keep Myself Sober,
and people were like, oh, you do a podcast. And
then when I wanted to start helping people, and I
noticed like transportation was an issue, and I went to
NMRI and was like, hey, this is an issue. Open
one's doing it. And they're like, h But first they
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were like, we're not going to give you money for
your podcast. I'm like, well, I'm not even asking. I'm
not even talking about my podcast. I'm talking about transportation.
They're like, oh, but I don't know. It was one
of those things were now if you start talking about
like I've heard someone say like Joe Rogan's podcast got
Trump elected, so now you know, fast forward like six
(03:10):
years or whatever, and it's like, oh, no, podcasting is important,
and if you're talking about something that people are interested
in or want to listen to, then yeah, it is important.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, and I feel like the podcasting has kind of
I mean the last I mean even five years it's
gained a lot of traction. I know, when I come
in here in the morning, it seems you're always listening
to some kind of podcast of someone, and then it's
like I hear you know, and different recovery realms of saying,
(03:40):
you know, oh, well listen to this person on a podcast,
or listen to this one or so I do feel
like it's really taken traction in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, people do listen to them, and you know, there's
like little clips that people can watch and that's way different.
You know, I'm a radio guy, so for me, like
this feels natural for me, and if someone wants to record,
I'm fine with it. But it does add a whole
bunch more work as I'm trying to find it right now,
because there's some clips that I think we can use
from what we did, but I have to find them,
(04:10):
and then like now I got to edit the video
and sinking it, and so it's it's another hour, I
would say, at least of work, which I'm fine doing.
It's just you know, my wife just called and said,
where's my husband. It's like, so it's hard to find
those hours sometimes, you know, it's yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I mean you have you have that information for on
that day that you do want to find that clip
like we've been kind of you know, talking about now
that we're looking at different directions that you even if
there is no voice behind it, it can go on
the website. And here is a you know, just a
short clip of us sitting in our recovery center. We
were out in the lobby, you know, sitting there looking
(04:49):
at each other, talking or looking around. And now you
have them clips if you need to use them for something.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So yeah, absolutely, and sometimes you just have to do it.
And I would give this advice is someone who wants
to start a podcast and it could be something that
keeps you sober. Absolutely, it kept me sober. And this
is what we talked about on the podcast that you
didn't hear that you're hearing now, is I use the
podcast as a way to keep myself sober. Some people
use AA, some people use cooking. Some people one guy
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you guys met uses the birds. He's a falcon ear
or something like that, and I would definitely want to
meet him.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
He has like a wild so it's a rescue so
when someone calls and there's a hurt bird, or he
goes and gets them and rescues them and to his
best ability as he tries to get them back to their.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Habitat and sober living for birds.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Like he was going when we met seen him yesterday,
he was left there early to jet out.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
He was going to Macinaw City to pick up an eagle.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Nice. That's pretty cool job. And and I guess he
had mentioned like, hey, I need to come hang out
and do some more events or like be around us
because you know the I'm not going to call him
out or nothing, but he's in recovery supposedly. I don't
really know. I'm not talking for him, but maybe he is,
maybe he's not. But I think that kind of person
is good to have around people, because you know, there's
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some sober living homes here in Traverse City, and I think,
you know, like when we go golfing next month or
whenever we do that, you know, to have somebody like
him around too, just to be around, you know, so
these newcomers can come in and they can see these
people and they were like, wait, you save birds. That
could keep somebody sober and you never know what it's
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going to be.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, and it's just about making that connection right of
what you know, he turned to birds and in his
recovery and he said, you know that helped him grow
and now he's using that in trying to He does
like different classes and he does different things of bringing
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people out and showing them the awareness of the birds and.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
In their habitat.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And he was saying something to me and Marnie about
you know, maybe that's something one day he could do
with some of us.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Here in recovery.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Is we could go out to where he is where
the birds and we could see, you know, what he
does or he does practice flying with them and so cool.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
That would be cool as long as we can film it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Oh I'm sure he wouldn't love that.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
But that's the thing. And you talk to someone in
AA NA whatever smart recovery dharma. If you talk to
anybody who uses their what do you want to say,
their passway or passion pathway, Yeah, whatever they choose, they're
going to tell you that that is the best one thing.
You should do it. And I do it too with purpose.
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I tell people that you need goals, you need to
have purpose in life, because that's what I feel moved
me past the hump to get me over the the drinking.
So I'm gonna, you know, say that people that go
to AA are going to say, no, you need to
go to AA. That really worked, and I think it's
because it's such a life changing to have life back.
(08:13):
I don't even life changing like that. To live life
again and to be free is just such an amazing feeling.
We want everybody to have that, like I want everybody
who's struggling to have this well.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And I think it's because right we're now, we're advocating.
We want we see the other people that are hurting.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
We see that thought it was never going to happen
to us one time too, and we know what these
people are thinking. And that's why it's like, no, no,
it can happen. It will happen. Just don't give up.
And unfortunately some people it takes. And I don't know
why we're here. It's not up to us to sit
here and go God, why did you save me? We
just know that he did. And now there's a passion
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and it's like a fire that you can't put out
to help other people. That's hard.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Sometimes I want to just shake them to get it.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
So your parents and you're like, oh, I'm shaking my
son right now. Yep, we get it, and I know
and our parents wanted to shake us, and then maybe
they didn't, you know. But to be here on the
side of it, though, seriously, is it's amazing and I
want everybody to feel this. And Corey was the same way.
If she thought it was never gonna happen to her
and only have some other people until that thing happened
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to us that made us get in geared a little bit.
And for me it was fear, fear of being that
person that killed somebody in a drunk driving accident or
being that I don't want to be that. Nobody wants
to be that person, you know. And for me to
have blacked out, oh, drink responsibly, don't drink and drive, well,
I was black, I don't remember, and I thought it
was a setup. I thought the cops had set me up,
that my mom. I thought everybody was in on it.
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They even wanted so far to scrape the side of
my car to make it look like I hit something,
those effing cops. And after I woke up and missed
four days or whatever, and I was like, oh my god,
maybe I and that's what I knew. It wasn't. Maybe
I drove. I was like, I drove and holy hell,
(10:04):
what was I doing? And then that's when that's when
the fear released it Like where was I going? Because
I remember when I got out of jail, I got home,
there's a half gallon sitting on the counter, so I
wasn't going to get alcohol. But I think I hit
the cur or the dumpster at the liquor store. I
don't know, because there was that green That's the only
thing I think of was the dumpster. I just don't
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even know, and that's scary.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But that's the only place we can think that the
green dumpster is. We don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I don't know, and I just know. The guy followed
me home, and I guess I'm using air quotes here
came too with him beating out my window going what
are you doing? And I'm like, what are you doing?
He was like, you almost killed somebody, and I was like,
what are you talking about? Him sitting in my car
and I'm then it's snowing outside, him in pajama pants
and a T shirt. I mean, like, I didn't have
my phone and didn't had my vape. I don't know
(10:53):
what I was doing. That's efing scary. And I'm sorry,
but your TV commercials that tell me to drink responsibly
that went out the window a long effing time ago.
And the whole don't drive drunk. Yeah, I tried not to.
But when I black out and don't remember what I'm doing,
that's that's a huge problem. Huge. You've pretty much same
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thing almost, you know, it's like, oh, exactly, wait to
get the cops. The guys I'm gonna call the cops
are good, I'll wait for them. I could have went inside.
He's very similar.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I didn't intentionally set out and be like, well, I'm
gonna get drunk and I'm going to drive home tonight.
That wasn't ever my plan.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Do we have to tell these people who make alcohol
and the alcohol warnings how alcohol works. Do we have
to tell the federal government? No, they know and they
love it because it brings them money. See, if you
think the government cares about you, I'm sorry, Like if
you get all heated about the Trump stuff and this,
if I'm sorry that I have to break this too.
The government does not give a shit about you. Didn't care, Nope,
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you just you die. In the goal away and they're fine.
That's how the government works. Same thing with the states,
state of They don't care. They'll they'll tell you that
they care about you and that they want to see change,
and then you bring them ideas and you give them
proof of how you've affected change, and they go, nah, like,
but we're saving lives. We saved a thousand lives probably, Nah,
don't care. They're just going to keep giving them money
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to their friends. And I don't care if they don't
give it to us, because there's other means and we'll
figure it out. You know. I'm not going to sit
here and kiss their ass. There's other organizations that do
that already. I don't need to. I'm trying to help people.
That's all I want. I want to help people, and
I want to pay employees. Well, yep, that's it. And
I want to go home play with my kid.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And we're going to keep and so we just have
to keep keep advocating, keep moving to the next moving
on to the next place, whether we gotta you know,
and we got to keep It's just like we never
know who is the right person to talk to, you know,
and then when we do find someone that has a
fire that is lit as big as ours, then maybe
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we need to, you know, get in the arena with
them and see see where.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
That can go.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, because if this is the community I'm going to
be in for twenty years, as I raised my son, like,
something's going to need to change, or I'll pick another
community to live in. You know, this isn't the best
place in the world. I don't know any place is
the best. Well, there's one place that's the best place
in the world. I mean, that's obviously why you call
it the best place in the world. I want to
find that place. Maybe I'll move there. But and I'm
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not saying every place has to be like perfect, because
nobody's perfect and everything's a little jumbled here there. But
for the people in the community, the elderly, the people
that have mental health issues, behavioral health, whatever you want
to call it, you know, sud goes right in there gambling.
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I mean, there's so many people out there that need help,
and there's a lot of people in this area that
could make that happen with nothing. You know, it would
take nothing for them to be like, oh, here you go.
I would like to see my community better. Oh I
think but I don't know how to talk to those people.
And maybe it's the middle class. Maybe we're the ones.
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I have to do it. I don't care who has
to do it, but somebody does have to do it.
And just because there's oh, this organization is doing that,
and it doesn't mean they're doing it right. No, doesn't,
because I've seen way too many times where it's not
and it's just money just keeps funneling through and you're like,
wait a minute, hold on, you know, and I do
have friends that are representatives here in the state, and
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that can affect changes in the laws. So if that's
what I need to do, that's what I need to do.
And then it was even suggesting me that I run
for office, like and I'm like, dude, And people thought
it was a good idea. A couple of people from
here this area thought it was a good idea and
I are you to run? Yes? And I said no,
do you know what would happen? Like I would They
would be on the news like I would probably punch
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somebody in the face the first day. It would be bad,
I know, and.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Where you would have a stroke.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
My friend Ron, he was just excited. He was like
I can't, dude, they would be the best day ever.
The popcorn he would have it already be kicked up.
Here comes Corey watch this shit like because he knew,
he knows, like I would lose my ship. Yeah, he's
just telling me. He's scratching the surface of the stuff
that's going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I say, I'm going to advocate for your best interests,
and I say that.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I would have a heart attack.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I would rather you.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It would be horrible, It would be the worst. I mean,
the people in Michigan would love it, probably especially Trump
supporters will love it. But like I think everybody would
love it. Well yeah, and that in the whole state
of Michigan Senate, all the houses, all of them. They
would hate me.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
And I think that there would be people I would
stand behind.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
You and support far back. They would, yes, But I
just for Corey Winfield himself. I don't think that that
arena is your arena.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
No, I'm I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I guess you could always try.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Let's go. Let me tell you about the book Cherry Concert.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I think we should just President Parker.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, Oh, that was a funny one. I love parenting
with Marnie because it's so fun because I was talking
about drone because I'm I'm very fearful. Well that's a
whole nother podcast. But I'm afraid that he's not gonna
like cameras and doing film and radio and and so
I'm like, man, and what if he doesn't like it? Marty,
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He's like, he's gonna like what he likes no matter what.
What's like, You're not gonna te him what to do
and then how to be. I said, Okay, so you
want to ride your bike in traffic, son, no helmet,
go on, go be your man, Go go go beat
the Parker you want to be. And I was like,
we can take him down to the wherever I go
to get his name changed and get his name changed
to president like it should have been if you listen
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to the podcast before. I said to Marty that I
wanted to name him president, so that way his name
would be President Winfield and that would just be awesome.
And I always think about like first second grade teachers
and then the substitute doing roll call President Winfield, Will
Parker hand.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Here, it's so cute.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, give me two coffees please. I don't know. I
thought it'd be funny but yeah, so it was.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Funny that sweet cream in my coffee.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I started going down the rabbit hole of all these
horrible situations where I'm like, no, Parker, go ahead, Yeah
you want to jump out of the plane with no parachute,
just go You be your own man, Parker. You do
what you want. Your mom said, she just stopped talking
to me, you know, she started watching The Hunters Club
or some show. And I'm like, honey, you know, I'm
way funnier than the show is.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Right now, that's just Cory being funny because he's so scared.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh so you just doing that sit Yeah. I was like,
all right, well, because my mind goes really far places.
It's like when the Sober Living, you know, the guy
was like, we gotta be willing to do anything, and
I'm like, well, there's a lot of things I wouldn't do,
you know, Like what do you mean? I'm like, well,
I'm not going to push my mom off a bridge.
I'm not gonna have sex with you know. Like I
started naming like all kinds of crazy stuff. He's like, yeah,
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I spent Like if you needed a job, I'm like, O, wait,
I'll get a job. What I mean donald's. I'm like, well,
I don't know. I'm thinking McDonald's. Well you too good
for McDonald's. No, I've never worked at McDonald's and that
doesn't make any sense. I'd probably go to the radio
station or maybe a tool and Die plays, then maybe McDonald's.
But I mean, if you're talking about if i'd rather
work at McDonalds or live under a bridge, I definitely
would rather work at McDonald's if that's what you're asking.
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And he's like yeah, I'm like, okay, well I could
tell that point it wasn't going to work out. I
was like, yeah, I don't think that's the one. And
I did not want to go to the other one
because there was eighteen people there and those one dude
that I hated was going to that house too, and
I was like, I don't want to go to that one.
But I ended up going there, and then of course
that dude had the better right next to mine. He's
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dead now, though, But.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But them are just some life lessons.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Right, Yeah, I don't know. It was it was crazy,
but but you did it.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I did, like you saying, you know, like, okay, I
had to be humble enough. I had to clean the toilet.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, And that was the one job. Like everything I
was like praying for, like, please don't let him be
next to me, boom, right next to me, Please don't
look at me. Bathrooms, boom, bathrooms. It was eighteen news
three bathrooms. Yep, that's what I was doing Wednesdays. So
I threw on the gloves and I got really good
at it, and then I changed my mind. And that's
when I realized. I think too, how you go into
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something with your like if you go into something thinking
this is gonna suck, guess what going to suck? If
you can go into it like you know what, I'm
gonna put these clothes on. I'm not gonna get any
pubes on my hands, nothing like that. I'm spraying the
shit out of everything. And when I sat down, I
was the first one to use the toilet afterward, and
I passed that along the story and it really does work.
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I knew it was clean. Man. I took my time
just joining the clean bathroom upstairs in Nathan's house two
six thirty one Boint Avenue.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But I mean there's even.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That feeling of knowing, like when you get in the shower,
like is that you know it's clean every Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, and then I gotta throw people's away because the
rule that Jason the beckcat at Nathan's house, you don't like,
he gave you a shower caddy. He's like, here you go,
put all your stuff in here. Take this in the
bathroom with you when you leave, take it out. And
well people would be like, eh, at my house, I
just leave my shampoo right here in the shower. Much
easier at your house it is, but with an eighteen
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people can you imagine eighteen different bottles or even six
or seven, that's too many. And so Jason would be like,
you don't leave your stuff in there, So I throw
it all away. And then, like one dude was like,
maybe if someone keeps throwing away with a shrimp Poojason's like, wait,
someone's thrown away your saying your shampoo and he's like yeah, Jaysoni,
Well let's get to the bottom of this. So what
room are you And he's like okay, He's like, so
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someone's going in your where do you keep it in
your well? No, I had it in the bedroom. Well
you had it in the in the bathroom, like in
the cup. No, in the shower. Oh, no, no, no,
you're not supposed to do that. So that whoever cleaned
the bathroom threw it away, So that's what they're supposed
to do. Yeah, well that's mossed up.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That's the rule.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
That's how it goes. And then he did it again,
and then you have the balls to bring it up
in guys, and you stopped and were shot and pooh
oh no, I'm leave it in there again. I want
to go clean the bathroom right now to see if
it's in there. I throw it away. But it became
it became something that I didn't mind because I just
changed it as Okay, I'm having fun throwing peoples stuff away.
I know it's clean because the other well, one guy
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for sure half asked it and he never even cleaned it.
And it's like, are you here to half ass things
or are you here to learn how to live sober? It's
doing those things that, Okay, that means you need to
do it. Is it gonna hurt you physically? Meant it? No? Okay,
Well you're gonna mess around and catch some sobriety. Like,
what is the worst that's gonna happen? You just cleaned
the bathroom. You did something for when you get done.
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Guess what dope mean, Spike, go mow your yard. Look
at it. When you're done, you feel good, it looks good.
You have that same reward. It's finishing something that you start,
you know, and that's part of the stuff that it's
teaching you. And then I would carry that over and
Marty and I got to the apartment and I know
she worked hard, and i'd clean her bathroom and I'm
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the first time I did it. It was took me
two minutes, like it was nothing. She's not a nasty,
hairy guy, you know, Like it was it was easy,
and she really appreciated it. And I texted to back
and I was like, dude, cleaning the bathroom for your
beautiful sexy wife, girlfriend, fiance, whatever she was at that time,
is so much better, dude than twenty dudes, you know.
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And it took two minutes, nothing, and she really appreciated it.
And I need to do it more. But I carried
it over, you know, and it feels good to do
things for people, and something is like cleaning the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
And it's just teaching you them things of them, simple
life skills of us.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Right when so then when we leave the Sober Living
and say we even have our own spot. It's probably
a good idea that you clean your bathroom.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Right, yeah, And I mean I cleaned my bathroom before,
But but it's doing it for other people. And when
you know I'm cleaning the bathroom for the Sober Living house, yeah,
I'm cleaning it for me and being selfish and greedy,
but I'm also doing it for everybody else, Like I
don't want someone to come home later that night, and
like who supposed to play the bathroom today? It looks
like shit because I heard that a lot not on
my days, yep, And that's what I wanted to do.
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I didn't. I didn't want to half ass cleaned something
the Jason to beckcom and then he yells at me
because I couldn't even clean a bathroom, Come on, you know,
But it's in me, It was it was in me.
I could have definitely tapped into the just get the
pube off the corner. No one will know.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
But there's also too sometimes where I've I've had to
remember because even just in past like jobs and co
workers of that, not maybe not everybody was fought the same.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Way of cleaning.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
M and that's the thing too.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
That is the thing and and of course, and it's
remembering that when we get sober, we're adults. And so
then we look at this age and this number, that
we're this old, and that we're supposed to know.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
These things, and sometimes we're not.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
We don't get humble enough to add can just say that, hey,
I might need help because this is this is a
skill I lack in or you know, I lived in
a house where cleaning was not a thing, you know,
and that's okay, And so it's like it's just one
of them some areas again of like right, asking for help. Yeah,
(24:19):
especially us people in recovery, most of us understand like
when we're asking for help, it really there's nothing that's
dumb because maybe it's just something we missed along the way.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
In our life.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, you know, nobody ever taught me how to change oil.
M I mean, I could probably take it to a
place to have it done. I mean, if I wanted
to learn, I could do. I could learn how to
change oil, you know, but I'm not going to be like,
oh my god, I'm so stupid, so I don't know
(24:52):
how to change my oil. No, if I wanted to
learn how to change my oil.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I could, yeah, but I just think it's the that's
just some skills of we have to be It's the
willingness right too, of are we going to just sit
there and be like, well, I don't know, I can't
or or you know, like you were saying, can you
go in it with that open mind? And what's the
(25:18):
motivation of why we're doing this? Because I want to
learn it, because you know, I just want to learn it,
or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And in the other podcast that we did that Nobody's
gonna hear, we kind of talked about goals and having
purpose and stuff like that. And then people like their dreams.
Because if you came to me seven years ago, I'm like, hey,
so your dreams to make a movie. And I'm be like, well,
what are you talking about? That's not my dream is
make a movie? What? But my dream is to make
a movie now. And if I say that to somebody,
(25:49):
they probably roll their eyes and be like okay, and
that's fine, that's cool. They don't understand my dream, but
I'm I'm going to do that. And it's the fear
of what other people think sometimes that will keep people'
stuffs and I do fear. We have a project coming
up that we're gonna start here in a couple of weeks,
and I am freaking scared. Man. I think I can
(26:11):
do it. And I was talking to my friend Bob
this morning. We had coffee and we kind of he's
a painter, but he also kind of started doing side
jobs too, because he'd be painting a house and somebody like, hey,
can you fix this trim or can you fix that?
And he had worked on enough job sites with other
people and seeing people do stuff and this and that
(26:31):
where he's like, yeah, yeah, I can do that, and
he's never done it before. But yet now he is
in a position where someone asked him he's like sure,
And I was like, it's kind of the same situation
that I'm in where it's like, I've never done this before.
I've never made a movie before, but like leading up
to making that movie, I've learned a lot along the way,
(26:55):
and I think that's gonna put push me through this fear.
I hope, but I'm going to do it. We have
a date set, you know, and that's the most important thing.
So back to me telling someone who's starting a podcast
some advice, don't give up. Don't do it to be
rich or famous. Do it because it's something that you love.
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Whether it's about recovery, about your recovery. If you can
do that about your recovery and keep yourself sober, then
you win. I don't care if you have one listener,
you win. Every single episode you're winning, and ten years
from now someone might catch that episode. And that's another thing.
You never know who's going to catch that and hear
it and go wow, that's the same thing I'm going
through at this very moment. Because God does work in
(27:40):
mysterious ways. So don't give up on it. But I
wouldn't do it to be rich and famous. I would
do it to just get some stuff off your chest.
Maybe you want to have some fun with your buddies
and you want to do a fantasy football podcast, whatever, man,
whatever it is, you know, like, do it, but don't
give up. And do it for the right reasons, is
what I would say, because when you started doing things
for money, it just doesn't work out, at least in
(28:03):
my experience.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Well, and it's I mean, it's kind of like that
for anything we take. We we're more apt to study
a course because it's something we want to learn, we
want to do. Then when we're forced or just doing
it because oh well I get paid to do this,
well that's no fun, right right, And it's and it's
(28:25):
the recovery piece about it is it's putting our passion.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Into it, showing up.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
We will put one hundred and ten percent into it
because this is what we like to do.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It's what we want to do, and it's you know,
and then oh cool.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Like I'm getting paid to do this too, you know.
And that's it's not always we're getting paid to do something,
but it's just about like finding that spot where you
can just show up to be one hundred percent who
you are and what you're doing that purpose is you know,
(29:00):
what you want.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
To be doing.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, and it changed everything in my life, you know,
and not wanting to go back in radio. And then
the things that God just kind of puts in in
the way and I say in the way they are
and he'll pull the rug and you'll be like what
then you just have to just ride the churuse man
like there it's a test and there's a reason why
(29:23):
things change and things shift shift, and it's kind of
like to open the podcast opened, you know, it's like,
I'm so glad that things didn't work out. And there
was times where I was beating my head against the wall,
going man, we got to do this, we need this,
and then it didn't work out and I'm like no.
And then months or weeks later, I look back and go, wow,
I'm so glad that didn't work out, because that's not
what we need to do. That would have been a
total waste of time, waste of money, waste of everything.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So well, sometimes when we're in it, we can't see that.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
We're just like, no, but I gotta do this. I
gotta do this. They said I have to do this
and a lot of misinformation. But then it doesn't and
then you look back and you're like, wow, I'm so
glad that didn't work out that way, or that I
didn't waste any more time. And as mad as I
was and I looked up, I remember going, God, what
am I supposed to do? He's telling you you just
got to listen. You gotta pay attention.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Sometimes that's right. But I wanted to do this over here. Yeah,
and we can't. We just can't let it go for
a minute, right, Yeah, And then when we can and
we get when we get it's when we get to
the other side and we're like, oh, okay, well all right,
that didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Maybe we brought enough attention to the transportation issue because
it seems like everybody and their brother wants to do it.
Now we're says they're doing it. So maybe I mean,
we didn't get any funding from the state of Michigan,
so maybe they have it all figured out. Maybe every
single person who wants to go to treatments getting there, or.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Maybe it's just like, okay, well, then these other people
are going to try it. But we don't know, we
don't know what the bigger picture of this is going
to be. At least we know that, you know, for
in your heart, I want you to know that. You know,
a lot of people know that Corey Winfield to seventeen,
he was the one that started two seventeen, two seventeen,
(31:08):
two seventeen, and now there is a lot of people
that are bummed that we're not doing it, and so
you know, these other places are going to try to
start doing it, and you know, my biggest thing is
I can just hope that you know, they're going to
get the people to treatment as well, safe and reliable
and if that means for us, now we got to
shift at a different different gear right now. Okay, so
(31:33):
we you know what I mean, you started that, you
showed how it to be done. Now other people are
it's kind of like, you know what, now they're following that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Okay, something that you did.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
So now we're going to go in a different direction
and we're gonna help. Where's the other gaps of where
we can help.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Because there's plenty of them.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
So that's what you have to do. And you can
have an attitude of oh we're gonna pound crame, we're
going to do this, We're going to do or you
can just figured out, you know, and listen to God,
you know, because God's been saying a lot of stuff
to me for a while and it's just a natural like,
oh okay, cool, transportation is covered. I'm glad we took
(32:13):
care of that, you know, because I kind of think
like we did. And I remember when they first released
their transportation grants, Brandon from DG. Chesskin was like, yeah,
we thought of you and we got this transportation going.
We didn't give it to you, but that's all right,
we got to hook up our friends or whatever they do.
But that's cool as long as they're getting people to treatment.
I wanted to see their numbers. I asked them for
(32:34):
them because I was like, hey, how do you Because
they gave them to twenty people, twenty organizations, and if
one who didn't get the funding from them could do
twelve hundred rides in three years, Holy cow, They've probably
got forty thousand people that they've taken to treatment. And
I can't wait to see those numbers.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Maybe one day they'll lo okay, it leaves to us.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Oh, I don't think they were. I think about to
do a Freedom of Information Act, but the numbers aren't
going to be close to ours. Unfortunately, the forty five.
That's because if they were doing something that was that good,
they would be telling people about it and people wouldn't
be calling us asking for rides of treatment, even though
they've called their insurance or whatever they're supposed to do
like that didn't show up what we just we could.
(33:23):
Hopefully at least we put enough. I know I did.
I've talked to enough people at the State of Michigan
that they know.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
But I mean there's still people here that are you know,
they're still advocating. Look at we got gran Trevers County
Jail yesterday, you know, and to put the piece together
with the Maynistee County in Benzie County jail. You know,
I called her up and I'm like, I don't know
if you work with this client he's in Benzie County.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And she's like, yep, we'll pay for it. Good to go,
just like that.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
And so, you know, and then now reaching out and
make we're get in a little bit more connected down
in Benzie County as well.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And so we just got to keep on advocating. They
know we're here.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
They you know, there are certain courts and judge that
they rely on two seventeen to get their people there
because they know what we do, what we're about, and
that we get them there every time.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
There's no fault, there's no guy didn't make it.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
So we just, you know, we just got to keep
advocating in one little sometimes it's it's little baby steps
in it. We want I think we want bigger strides
because that's just we feel, you know, we're we're strong
and knowing what we are doing and what the impact
does make we hear it all the time. We have
(34:44):
we have clients now that are in sober living or
they're living on their own now that we have helped,
and we see the progress in it.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And so it just takes a little time.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And speaking of time I have, I have very little
left on this podcast today obviously because my wife wants
my home.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
She does in that little that little Parker.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Windfield at home is going to be so excited when
his daddy comes through the door.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Well, big smiles on his face. But I do want
to mention to check out restored Voices dot com.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Check that out and exciting new project.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, check that out. Tell me what you think. Got
some ideas, send them to Corey C O. R I
at two seventeen recovery dot com. That's why. Also on
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Speaker 2 (35:34):
Thanks Corey Winfield.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Check out the app if you don't have it yet,
get it's free. Let's go to your app store to
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ever and I had three months, so where all right?
Listen to Corey what he was saying.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Then, oh geez, pretty soon we're going to be starting
a new show called I don't know what day yet,
but we're going to do the Corey and Corey Show.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh I thought that was the name of the show
of like we don't know what day? Yes, name show. Yeah, Okay,
we don't know what day yet, Coming soon, but first
we're gonna do that Restorative Hoists project. Check it out
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or online at two seventeen recovery dot com.
Welcome to the two seventeen Recovery Podcast. If you don't
make mistakes, you won't learn. With your host Corey Winfield,
you know there was a reason why that didn't work out,
and you can look back at it and go, yep,
I'm glad that didn't work out how I wanted it,
because I would have been horrible. Got your ass. It
is the fourteenth of August twenty twenty five. My name
(00:26):
is Cory Winfield and joined by a very special guest today.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
My name is Corey Smoker.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Corey Smoker, how are you doing, Corey?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm doing pretty good.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Good. We did a podcast earlier and we were trying
something new. We were trying the video podcast that all
the kids are doing. Technical issues with the microphone.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, but you know what, we set it up and
we sure did give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah we did. And that's how you learn, and that
is by doing things, usually by failing, and then you realize, okay, well,
next time, we'll don't move or use different microphone or
I don't know something. We had the little wireless go
microphones and it picked up some movement, so so.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
We just realized that I'm gonna keep using this big
awkward one, but you know it works for me.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, it's well, that's a real microphone. You're using the
same microphone Joe Rogan uses. Oh my god, that's so awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, you know, I probably should investigate because I don't
even think I know who Joe Rogan is.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Wow. He's a very funny guy. He's a good he's
a very funny comedian.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
He's does he do a lot of podcasts?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I think so I.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Feel like maybe I did hear some of his stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I've never listened to a Joe Rogan podcast. I'm sure
it's good. I like Joe Rogan. There's nothing against him.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So you like him.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
You've never listened to one, and I don't really particularly
know who.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
He is, but I think I want to say I
did hear.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
One, but I don't I like his stand up.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, now I got something I get to look up
my free time.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
All right, Well, Corey's busy for a few days or
at least ten minutes. And you were like, oh, yeah,
I know that guy.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Well, you never know, and I might in that could
be one hundred percent of true. I was, I might
already know him. I might have already seen him. I
just I'm not really good at the names and the
faces and all that when it comes to people.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
No, And he actually brought a little bit of legitimacy
to podcasting because I remember when we first started back
in twenty nineteen and I did the podcast Keep Myself Sober,
and people were like, oh, you do a podcast. And
then when I wanted to start helping people, and I
noticed like transportation was an issue, and I went to
NMRI and was like, hey, this is an issue. Open
one's doing it. And they're like, h But first they
(02:49):
were like, we're not going to give you money for
your podcast. I'm like, well, I'm not even asking. I'm
not even talking about my podcast. I'm talking about transportation.
They're like, oh, but I don't know. It was one
of those things were now if you start talking about
like I've heard someone say like Joe Rogan's podcast got
Trump elected, so now you know, fast forward like six
(03:10):
years or whatever, and it's like, oh, no, podcasting is important,
and if you're talking about something that people are interested
in or want to listen to, then yeah, it is important.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, and I feel like the podcasting has kind of
I mean the last I mean even five years it's
gained a lot of traction. I know, when I come
in here in the morning, it seems you're always listening
to some kind of podcast of someone, and then it's
like I hear you know, and different recovery realms of saying,
(03:40):
you know, oh, well listen to this person on a podcast,
or listen to this one or so I do feel
like it's really taken traction in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, people do listen to them, and you know, there's
like little clips that people can watch and that's way different.
You know, I'm a radio guy, so for me, like
this feels natural for me, and if someone wants to record,
I'm fine with it. But it does add a whole
bunch more work as I'm trying to find it right now,
because there's some clips that I think we can use
from what we did, but I have to find them,
(04:10):
and then like now I got to edit the video
and sinking it, and so it's it's another hour, I
would say, at least of work, which I'm fine doing.
It's just you know, my wife just called and said,
where's my husband. It's like, so it's hard to find
those hours sometimes, you know, it's yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I mean you have you have that information for on
that day that you do want to find that clip
like we've been kind of you know, talking about now
that we're looking at different directions that you even if
there is no voice behind it, it can go on
the website. And here is a you know, just a
short clip of us sitting in our recovery center. We
were out in the lobby, you know, sitting there looking
(04:49):
at each other, talking or looking around. And now you
have them clips if you need to use them for something.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So yeah, absolutely, and sometimes you just have to do it.
And I would give this advice is someone who wants
to start a podcast and it could be something that
keeps you sober. Absolutely, it kept me sober. And this
is what we talked about on the podcast that you
didn't hear that you're hearing now, is I use the
podcast as a way to keep myself sober. Some people
use AA, some people use cooking. Some people one guy
(05:21):
you guys met uses the birds. He's a falcon ear
or something like that, and I would definitely want to
meet him.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
He has like a wild so it's a rescue so
when someone calls and there's a hurt bird, or he
goes and gets them and rescues them and to his
best ability as he tries to get them back to their.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Habitat and sober living for birds.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Like he was going when we met seen him yesterday,
he was left there early to jet out.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
He was going to Macinaw City to pick up an eagle.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Nice. That's pretty cool job. And and I guess he
had mentioned like, hey, I need to come hang out
and do some more events or like be around us
because you know the I'm not going to call him
out or nothing, but he's in recovery supposedly. I don't
really know. I'm not talking for him, but maybe he is,
maybe he's not. But I think that kind of person
is good to have around people, because you know, there's
(06:19):
some sober living homes here in Traverse City, and I think,
you know, like when we go golfing next month or
whenever we do that, you know, to have somebody like
him around too, just to be around, you know, so
these newcomers can come in and they can see these
people and they were like, wait, you save birds. That
could keep somebody sober and you never know what it's
(06:39):
going to be.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, and it's just about making that connection right of
what you know, he turned to birds and in his
recovery and he said, you know that helped him grow
and now he's using that in trying to He does
like different classes and he does different things of bringing
(07:02):
people out and showing them the awareness of the birds and.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
In their habitat.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And he was saying something to me and Marnie about
you know, maybe that's something one day he could do
with some of us.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Here in recovery.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Is we could go out to where he is where
the birds and we could see, you know, what he
does or he does practice flying with them and so cool.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
That would be cool as long as we can film it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Oh I'm sure he wouldn't love that.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
But that's the thing. And you talk to someone in
AA NA whatever smart recovery dharma. If you talk to
anybody who uses their what do you want to say,
their passway or passion pathway, Yeah, whatever they choose, they're
going to tell you that that is the best one thing.
You should do it. And I do it too with purpose.
(07:52):
I tell people that you need goals, you need to
have purpose in life, because that's what I feel moved
me past the hump to get me over the the drinking.
So I'm gonna, you know, say that people that go
to AA are going to say, no, you need to
go to AA. That really worked, and I think it's
because it's such a life changing to have life back.
(08:13):
I don't even life changing like that. To live life
again and to be free is just such an amazing feeling.
We want everybody to have that, like I want everybody
who's struggling to have this well.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And I think it's because right we're now, we're advocating.
We want we see the other people that are hurting.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
We see that thought it was never going to happen
to us one time too, and we know what these
people are thinking. And that's why it's like, no, no,
it can happen. It will happen. Just don't give up.
And unfortunately some people it takes. And I don't know
why we're here. It's not up to us to sit
here and go God, why did you save me? We
just know that he did. And now there's a passion
(08:50):
and it's like a fire that you can't put out
to help other people. That's hard.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Sometimes I want to just shake them to get it.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
So your parents and you're like, oh, I'm shaking my
son right now. Yep, we get it, and I know
and our parents wanted to shake us, and then maybe
they didn't, you know. But to be here on the
side of it, though, seriously, is it's amazing and I
want everybody to feel this. And Corey was the same way.
If she thought it was never gonna happen to her
and only have some other people until that thing happened
(09:22):
to us that made us get in geared a little bit.
And for me it was fear, fear of being that
person that killed somebody in a drunk driving accident or
being that I don't want to be that. Nobody wants
to be that person, you know. And for me to
have blacked out, oh, drink responsibly, don't drink and drive, well,
I was black, I don't remember, and I thought it
was a setup. I thought the cops had set me up,
that my mom. I thought everybody was in on it.
(09:43):
They even wanted so far to scrape the side of
my car to make it look like I hit something,
those effing cops. And after I woke up and missed
four days or whatever, and I was like, oh my god,
maybe I and that's what I knew. It wasn't. Maybe
I drove. I was like, I drove and holy hell,
(10:04):
what was I doing? And then that's when that's when
the fear released it Like where was I going? Because
I remember when I got out of jail, I got home,
there's a half gallon sitting on the counter, so I
wasn't going to get alcohol. But I think I hit
the cur or the dumpster at the liquor store. I
don't know, because there was that green That's the only
thing I think of was the dumpster. I just don't
(10:25):
even know, and that's scary.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But that's the only place we can think that the
green dumpster is. We don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I don't know, and I just know. The guy followed
me home, and I guess I'm using air quotes here
came too with him beating out my window going what
are you doing? And I'm like, what are you doing?
He was like, you almost killed somebody, and I was like,
what are you talking about? Him sitting in my car
and I'm then it's snowing outside, him in pajama pants
and a T shirt. I mean, like, I didn't have
my phone and didn't had my vape. I don't know
(10:53):
what I was doing. That's efing scary. And I'm sorry,
but your TV commercials that tell me to drink responsibly
that went out the window a long effing time ago.
And the whole don't drive drunk. Yeah, I tried not to.
But when I black out and don't remember what I'm doing,
that's that's a huge problem. Huge. You've pretty much same
(11:15):
thing almost, you know, it's like, oh, exactly, wait to
get the cops. The guys I'm gonna call the cops
are good, I'll wait for them. I could have went inside.
He's very similar.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I didn't intentionally set out and be like, well, I'm
gonna get drunk and I'm going to drive home tonight.
That wasn't ever my plan.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Do we have to tell these people who make alcohol
and the alcohol warnings how alcohol works. Do we have
to tell the federal government? No, they know and they
love it because it brings them money. See, if you
think the government cares about you, I'm sorry, Like if
you get all heated about the Trump stuff and this,
if I'm sorry that I have to break this too.
The government does not give a shit about you. Didn't care, Nope,
(11:54):
you just you die. In the goal away and they're fine.
That's how the government works. Same thing with the states,
state of They don't care. They'll they'll tell you that
they care about you and that they want to see change,
and then you bring them ideas and you give them
proof of how you've affected change, and they go, nah, like,
but we're saving lives. We saved a thousand lives probably, Nah,
don't care. They're just going to keep giving them money
(12:15):
to their friends. And I don't care if they don't
give it to us, because there's other means and we'll
figure it out. You know. I'm not going to sit
here and kiss their ass. There's other organizations that do
that already. I don't need to. I'm trying to help people.
That's all I want. I want to help people, and
I want to pay employees. Well, yep, that's it. And
I want to go home play with my kid.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And we're going to keep and so we just have
to keep keep advocating, keep moving to the next moving
on to the next place, whether we gotta you know,
and we got to keep It's just like we never
know who is the right person to talk to, you know,
and then when we do find someone that has a
fire that is lit as big as ours, then maybe
(12:52):
we need to, you know, get in the arena with
them and see see where.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
That can go.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, because if this is the community I'm going to
be in for twenty years, as I raised my son, like,
something's going to need to change, or I'll pick another
community to live in. You know, this isn't the best
place in the world. I don't know any place is
the best. Well, there's one place that's the best place
in the world. I mean, that's obviously why you call
it the best place in the world. I want to
find that place. Maybe I'll move there. But and I'm
(13:18):
not saying every place has to be like perfect, because
nobody's perfect and everything's a little jumbled here there. But
for the people in the community, the elderly, the people
that have mental health issues, behavioral health, whatever you want
to call it, you know, sud goes right in there gambling.
(13:39):
I mean, there's so many people out there that need help,
and there's a lot of people in this area that
could make that happen with nothing. You know, it would
take nothing for them to be like, oh, here you go.
I would like to see my community better. Oh I
think but I don't know how to talk to those people.
And maybe it's the middle class. Maybe we're the ones.
(13:59):
I have to do it. I don't care who has
to do it, but somebody does have to do it.
And just because there's oh, this organization is doing that,
and it doesn't mean they're doing it right. No, doesn't,
because I've seen way too many times where it's not
and it's just money just keeps funneling through and you're like,
wait a minute, hold on, you know, and I do
have friends that are representatives here in the state, and
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that can affect changes in the laws. So if that's
what I need to do, that's what I need to do.
And then it was even suggesting me that I run
for office, like and I'm like, dude, And people thought
it was a good idea. A couple of people from
here this area thought it was a good idea and
I are you to run? Yes? And I said no,
do you know what would happen? Like I would They
would be on the news like I would probably punch
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somebody in the face the first day. It would be bad,
I know, and.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Where you would have a stroke.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
My friend Ron, he was just excited. He was like
I can't, dude, they would be the best day ever.
The popcorn he would have it already be kicked up.
Here comes Corey watch this shit like because he knew,
he knows, like I would lose my ship. Yeah, he's
just telling me. He's scratching the surface of the stuff
that's going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I say, I'm going to advocate for your best interests,
and I say that.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I would have a heart attack.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I would rather you.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It would be horrible, It would be the worst. I mean,
the people in Michigan would love it, probably especially Trump
supporters will love it. But like I think everybody would
love it. Well yeah, and that in the whole state
of Michigan Senate, all the houses, all of them. They
would hate me.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
And I think that there would be people I would
stand behind.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
You and support far back. They would, yes, But I
just for Corey Winfield himself. I don't think that that
arena is your arena.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
No, I'm I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I guess you could always try.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Let's go. Let me tell you about the book Cherry Concert.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I think we should just President Parker.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, Oh, that was a funny one. I love parenting
with Marnie because it's so fun because I was talking
about drone because I'm I'm very fearful. Well that's a
whole nother podcast. But I'm afraid that he's not gonna
like cameras and doing film and radio and and so
I'm like, man, and what if he doesn't like it? Marty,
(16:23):
He's like, he's gonna like what he likes no matter what.
What's like, You're not gonna te him what to do
and then how to be. I said, Okay, so you
want to ride your bike in traffic, son, no helmet,
go on, go be your man, Go go go beat
the Parker you want to be. And I was like,
we can take him down to the wherever I go
to get his name changed and get his name changed
to president like it should have been if you listen
(16:44):
to the podcast before. I said to Marty that I
wanted to name him president, so that way his name
would be President Winfield and that would just be awesome.
And I always think about like first second grade teachers
and then the substitute doing roll call President Winfield, Will
Parker hand.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Here, it's so cute.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, give me two coffees please. I don't know. I
thought it'd be funny but yeah, so it was.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Funny that sweet cream in my coffee.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I started going down the rabbit hole of all these
horrible situations where I'm like, no, Parker, go ahead, Yeah
you want to jump out of the plane with no parachute,
just go You be your own man, Parker. You do
what you want. Your mom said, she just stopped talking
to me, you know, she started watching The Hunters Club
or some show. And I'm like, honey, you know, I'm
way funnier than the show is.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Right now, that's just Cory being funny because he's so scared.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh so you just doing that sit Yeah. I was like,
all right, well, because my mind goes really far places.
It's like when the Sober Living, you know, the guy
was like, we gotta be willing to do anything, and
I'm like, well, there's a lot of things I wouldn't do,
you know, Like what do you mean? I'm like, well,
I'm not going to push my mom off a bridge.
I'm not gonna have sex with you know. Like I
started naming like all kinds of crazy stuff. He's like, yeah,
(17:55):
I spent Like if you needed a job, I'm like, O, wait,
I'll get a job. What I mean donald's. I'm like, well,
I don't know. I'm thinking McDonald's. Well you too good
for McDonald's. No, I've never worked at McDonald's and that
doesn't make any sense. I'd probably go to the radio
station or maybe a tool and Die plays, then maybe McDonald's.
But I mean, if you're talking about if i'd rather
work at McDonalds or live under a bridge, I definitely
would rather work at McDonald's if that's what you're asking.
(18:16):
And he's like yeah, I'm like, okay, well I could
tell that point it wasn't going to work out. I
was like, yeah, I don't think that's the one. And
I did not want to go to the other one
because there was eighteen people there and those one dude
that I hated was going to that house too, and
I was like, I don't want to go to that one.
But I ended up going there, and then of course
that dude had the better right next to mine. He's
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dead now, though, But.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But them are just some life lessons.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Right, Yeah, I don't know. It was it was crazy,
but but you did it.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I did, like you saying, you know, like, okay, I
had to be humble enough. I had to clean the toilet.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, And that was the one job. Like everything I
was like praying for, like, please don't let him be
next to me, boom, right next to me, Please don't
look at me. Bathrooms, boom, bathrooms. It was eighteen news
three bathrooms. Yep, that's what I was doing Wednesdays. So
I threw on the gloves and I got really good
at it, and then I changed my mind. And that's
when I realized. I think too, how you go into
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something with your like if you go into something thinking
this is gonna suck, guess what going to suck? If
you can go into it like you know what, I'm
gonna put these clothes on. I'm not gonna get any
pubes on my hands, nothing like that. I'm spraying the
shit out of everything. And when I sat down, I
was the first one to use the toilet afterward, and
I passed that along the story and it really does work.
(19:40):
I knew it was clean. Man. I took my time
just joining the clean bathroom upstairs in Nathan's house two
six thirty one Boint Avenue.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But I mean there's even.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That feeling of knowing, like when you get in the shower,
like is that you know it's clean every Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, and then I gotta throw people's away because the
rule that Jason the beckcat at Nathan's house, you don't like,
he gave you a shower caddy. He's like, here you go,
put all your stuff in here. Take this in the
bathroom with you when you leave, take it out. And
well people would be like, eh, at my house, I
just leave my shampoo right here in the shower. Much
easier at your house it is, but with an eighteen
(20:17):
people can you imagine eighteen different bottles or even six
or seven, that's too many. And so Jason would be like,
you don't leave your stuff in there, So I throw
it all away. And then, like one dude was like,
maybe if someone keeps throwing away with a shrimp Poojason's like, wait,
someone's thrown away your saying your shampoo and he's like yeah, Jaysoni,
Well let's get to the bottom of this. So what
room are you And he's like okay, He's like, so
(20:37):
someone's going in your where do you keep it in
your well? No, I had it in the bedroom. Well
you had it in the in the bathroom, like in
the cup. No, in the shower. Oh, no, no, no,
you're not supposed to do that. So that whoever cleaned
the bathroom threw it away, So that's what they're supposed
to do. Yeah, well that's mossed up.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That's the rule.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
That's how it goes. And then he did it again,
and then you have the balls to bring it up
in guys, and you stopped and were shot and pooh
oh no, I'm leave it in there again. I want
to go clean the bathroom right now to see if
it's in there. I throw it away. But it became
it became something that I didn't mind because I just
changed it as Okay, I'm having fun throwing peoples stuff away.
I know it's clean because the other well, one guy
(21:16):
for sure half asked it and he never even cleaned it.
And it's like, are you here to half ass things
or are you here to learn how to live sober? It's
doing those things that, Okay, that means you need to
do it. Is it gonna hurt you physically? Meant it? No? Okay,
Well you're gonna mess around and catch some sobriety. Like,
what is the worst that's gonna happen? You just cleaned
the bathroom. You did something for when you get done.
(21:38):
Guess what dope mean, Spike, go mow your yard. Look
at it. When you're done, you feel good, it looks good.
You have that same reward. It's finishing something that you start,
you know, and that's part of the stuff that it's
teaching you. And then I would carry that over and
Marty and I got to the apartment and I know
she worked hard, and i'd clean her bathroom and I'm
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the first time I did it. It was took me
two minutes, like it was nothing. She's not a nasty,
hairy guy, you know, Like it was it was easy,
and she really appreciated it. And I texted to back
and I was like, dude, cleaning the bathroom for your
beautiful sexy wife, girlfriend, fiance, whatever she was at that time,
is so much better, dude than twenty dudes, you know.
(22:20):
And it took two minutes, nothing, and she really appreciated it.
And I need to do it more. But I carried
it over, you know, and it feels good to do
things for people, and something is like cleaning the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
And it's just teaching you them things of them, simple
life skills of us.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Right when so then when we leave the Sober Living
and say we even have our own spot. It's probably
a good idea that you clean your bathroom.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Right, yeah, And I mean I cleaned my bathroom before,
But but it's doing it for other people. And when
you know I'm cleaning the bathroom for the Sober Living house, yeah,
I'm cleaning it for me and being selfish and greedy,
but I'm also doing it for everybody else, Like I
don't want someone to come home later that night, and
like who supposed to play the bathroom today? It looks
like shit because I heard that a lot not on
my days, yep, And that's what I wanted to do.
(23:07):
I didn't. I didn't want to half ass cleaned something
the Jason to beckcom and then he yells at me
because I couldn't even clean a bathroom, Come on, you know,
But it's in me, It was it was in me.
I could have definitely tapped into the just get the
pube off the corner. No one will know.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
But there's also too sometimes where I've I've had to
remember because even just in past like jobs and co
workers of that, not maybe not everybody was fought the same.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Way of cleaning.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
M and that's the thing too.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
That is the thing and and of course, and it's
remembering that when we get sober, we're adults. And so
then we look at this age and this number, that
we're this old, and that we're supposed to know.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
These things, and sometimes we're not.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
We don't get humble enough to add can just say that, hey,
I might need help because this is this is a
skill I lack in or you know, I lived in
a house where cleaning was not a thing, you know,
and that's okay, And so it's like it's just one
of them some areas again of like right, asking for help. Yeah,
(24:19):
especially us people in recovery, most of us understand like
when we're asking for help, it really there's nothing that's
dumb because maybe it's just something we missed along the way.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
In our life.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, you know, nobody ever taught me how to change oil.
M I mean, I could probably take it to a
place to have it done. I mean, if I wanted
to learn, I could do. I could learn how to
change oil, you know, but I'm not going to be like,
oh my god, I'm so stupid, so I don't know
(24:52):
how to change my oil. No, if I wanted to
learn how to change my oil.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I could, yeah, but I just think it's the that's
just some skills of we have to be It's the
willingness right too, of are we going to just sit
there and be like, well, I don't know, I can't
or or you know, like you were saying, can you
go in it with that open mind? And what's the
(25:18):
motivation of why we're doing this? Because I want to
learn it, because you know, I just want to learn it,
or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
And in the other podcast that we did that Nobody's
gonna hear, we kind of talked about goals and having
purpose and stuff like that. And then people like their dreams.
Because if you came to me seven years ago, I'm like, hey,
so your dreams to make a movie. And I'm be like, well,
what are you talking about? That's not my dream is
make a movie? What? But my dream is to make
a movie now. And if I say that to somebody,
(25:49):
they probably roll their eyes and be like okay, and
that's fine, that's cool. They don't understand my dream, but
I'm I'm going to do that. And it's the fear
of what other people think sometimes that will keep people'
stuffs and I do fear. We have a project coming
up that we're gonna start here in a couple of weeks,
and I am freaking scared. Man. I think I can
(26:11):
do it. And I was talking to my friend Bob
this morning. We had coffee and we kind of he's
a painter, but he also kind of started doing side
jobs too, because he'd be painting a house and somebody like, hey,
can you fix this trim or can you fix that?
And he had worked on enough job sites with other
people and seeing people do stuff and this and that
(26:31):
where he's like, yeah, yeah, I can do that, and
he's never done it before. But yet now he is
in a position where someone asked him he's like sure,
And I was like, it's kind of the same situation
that I'm in where it's like, I've never done this before.
I've never made a movie before, but like leading up
to making that movie, I've learned a lot along the way,
(26:55):
and I think that's gonna put push me through this fear.
I hope, but I'm going to do it. We have
a date set, you know, and that's the most important thing.
So back to me telling someone who's starting a podcast
some advice, don't give up. Don't do it to be
rich or famous. Do it because it's something that you love.
(27:17):
Whether it's about recovery, about your recovery. If you can
do that about your recovery and keep yourself sober, then
you win. I don't care if you have one listener,
you win. Every single episode you're winning, and ten years
from now someone might catch that episode. And that's another thing.
You never know who's going to catch that and hear
it and go wow, that's the same thing I'm going
through at this very moment. Because God does work in
(27:40):
mysterious ways. So don't give up on it. But I
wouldn't do it to be rich and famous. I would
do it to just get some stuff off your chest.
Maybe you want to have some fun with your buddies
and you want to do a fantasy football podcast, whatever, man,
whatever it is, you know, like, do it, but don't
give up. And do it for the right reasons, is
what I would say, because when you started doing things
for money, it just doesn't work out, at least in
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my experience.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Well, and it's I mean, it's kind of like that
for anything we take. We we're more apt to study
a course because it's something we want to learn, we
want to do. Then when we're forced or just doing
it because oh well I get paid to do this,
well that's no fun, right right, And it's and it's
(28:25):
the recovery piece about it is it's putting our passion.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Into it, showing up.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
We will put one hundred and ten percent into it
because this is what we like to do.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It's what we want to do, and it's you know,
and then oh cool.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Like I'm getting paid to do this too, you know.
And that's it's not always we're getting paid to do something,
but it's just about like finding that spot where you
can just show up to be one hundred percent who
you are and what you're doing that purpose is you know,
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what you want.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
To be doing.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, and it changed everything in my life, you know,
and not wanting to go back in radio. And then
the things that God just kind of puts in in
the way and I say in the way they are
and he'll pull the rug and you'll be like what
then you just have to just ride the churuse man
like there it's a test and there's a reason why
(29:23):
things change and things shift shift, and it's kind of
like to open the podcast opened, you know, it's like,
I'm so glad that things didn't work out. And there
was times where I was beating my head against the wall,
going man, we got to do this, we need this,
and then it didn't work out and I'm like no.
And then months or weeks later, I look back and go, wow,
I'm so glad that didn't work out, because that's not
what we need to do. That would have been a
total waste of time, waste of money, waste of everything.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So well, sometimes when we're in it, we can't see that.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
We're just like, no, but I gotta do this. I
gotta do this. They said I have to do this
and a lot of misinformation. But then it doesn't and
then you look back and you're like, wow, I'm so
glad that didn't work out that way, or that I
didn't waste any more time. And as mad as I
was and I looked up, I remember going, God, what
am I supposed to do? He's telling you you just
got to listen. You gotta pay attention.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Sometimes that's right. But I wanted to do this over here. Yeah,
and we can't. We just can't let it go for
a minute, right, Yeah, And then when we can and
we get when we get it's when we get to
the other side and we're like, oh, okay, well all right,
that didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Maybe we brought enough attention to the transportation issue because
it seems like everybody and their brother wants to do it.
Now we're says they're doing it. So maybe I mean,
we didn't get any funding from the state of Michigan,
so maybe they have it all figured out. Maybe every
single person who wants to go to treatments getting there, or.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Maybe it's just like, okay, well, then these other people
are going to try it. But we don't know, we
don't know what the bigger picture of this is going
to be. At least we know that, you know, for
in your heart, I want you to know that. You know,
a lot of people know that Corey Winfield to seventeen,
he was the one that started two seventeen, two seventeen,
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two seventeen, and now there is a lot of people
that are bummed that we're not doing it, and so
you know, these other places are going to try to
start doing it, and you know, my biggest thing is
I can just hope that you know, they're going to
get the people to treatment as well, safe and reliable
and if that means for us, now we got to
shift at a different different gear right now. Okay, so
(31:33):
we you know what I mean, you started that, you
showed how it to be done. Now other people are
it's kind of like, you know what, now they're following that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Okay, something that you did.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
So now we're going to go in a different direction
and we're gonna help. Where's the other gaps of where
we can help.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Because there's plenty of them.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
So that's what you have to do. And you can
have an attitude of oh we're gonna pound crame, we're
going to do this, We're going to do or you
can just figured out, you know, and listen to God,
you know, because God's been saying a lot of stuff
to me for a while and it's just a natural like,
oh okay, cool, transportation is covered. I'm glad we took
(32:13):
care of that, you know, because I kind of think
like we did. And I remember when they first released
their transportation grants, Brandon from DG. Chesskin was like, yeah,
we thought of you and we got this transportation going.
We didn't give it to you, but that's all right,
we got to hook up our friends or whatever they do.
But that's cool as long as they're getting people to treatment.
I wanted to see their numbers. I asked them for
(32:34):
them because I was like, hey, how do you Because
they gave them to twenty people, twenty organizations, and if
one who didn't get the funding from them could do
twelve hundred rides in three years, Holy cow, They've probably
got forty thousand people that they've taken to treatment. And
I can't wait to see those numbers.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Maybe one day they'll lo okay, it leaves to us.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Oh, I don't think they were. I think about to
do a Freedom of Information Act, but the numbers aren't
going to be close to ours. Unfortunately, the forty five.
That's because if they were doing something that was that good,
they would be telling people about it and people wouldn't
be calling us asking for rides of treatment, even though
they've called their insurance or whatever they're supposed to do
like that didn't show up what we just we could.
(33:23):
Hopefully at least we put enough. I know I did.
I've talked to enough people at the State of Michigan
that they know.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
But I mean there's still people here that are you know,
they're still advocating. Look at we got gran Trevers County
Jail yesterday, you know, and to put the piece together
with the Maynistee County in Benzie County jail. You know,
I called her up and I'm like, I don't know
if you work with this client he's in Benzie County.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And she's like, yep, we'll pay for it. Good to go,
just like that.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
And so, you know, and then now reaching out and
make we're get in a little bit more connected down
in Benzie County as well.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And so we just got to keep on advocating. They
know we're here.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
They you know, there are certain courts and judge that
they rely on two seventeen to get their people there
because they know what we do, what we're about, and
that we get them there every time.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
There's no fault, there's no guy didn't make it.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
So we just, you know, we just got to keep
advocating in one little sometimes it's it's little baby steps
in it. We want I think we want bigger strides
because that's just we feel, you know, we're we're strong
and knowing what we are doing and what the impact
does make we hear it all the time. We have
(34:44):
we have clients now that are in sober living or
they're living on their own now that we have helped,
and we see the progress in it.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And so it just takes a little time.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And speaking of time I have, I have very little
left on this podcast today obviously because my wife wants
my home.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
She does in that little that little Parker.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Windfield at home is going to be so excited when
his daddy comes through the door.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Well, big smiles on his face. But I do want
to mention to check out restored Voices dot com.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Check that out and exciting new project.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, check that out. Tell me what you think. Got
some ideas, send them to Corey C O. R I
at two seventeen recovery dot com. That's why. Also on
my junk mail now as to your email.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Thanks Corey Winfield.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Check out the app if you don't have it yet,
get it's free. Let's go to your app store to
seventeen Recovery. You can listen to the very first episode
ever and I had three months, so where all right?
Listen to Corey what he was saying.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Then, oh geez, pretty soon we're going to be starting
a new show called I don't know what day yet,
but we're going to do the Corey and Corey Show.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh I thought that was the name of the show
of like we don't know what day? Yes, name show. Yeah, Okay,
we don't know what day yet, Coming soon, but first
we're gonna do that Restorative Hoists project. Check it out
also resources online two to seventeen recovery dot com. Talk
you later oday. Thanks for listening to the two seventeen
Recovery podcast. Listen to over nine hundred episodes on the
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two seventeen Recovery app that's free in your app store
or online at two seventeen recovery dot com.
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