4.07 My Eurotrip With The President's Daughter

Connor and Jordan go backpacking through the Eurotrip of your dreams, meeting bald misogynists, bohemian bungeejumpers, and one very sexy secret service agent as they discuss Chasing Liberty, starring Mandy Moore.

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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
not the first daughter going to Europe for

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literally 24 hours and likelearning about social
responsibility.
Hello, welcome back.
Jay, what did we tell them thisepisode was going to be about?

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Do you remember?
Doesn't matter because it waswrong.
And this is actually an episodeabout Chasing Liberty.
Yay! This is a Chasing Libertyepisode.
I'm Connor.
I work in television marketingin New York City.
Hi, I'm Jordan.
I'm a writer in New York City.
And you're listening to SecondShowing.
Okay, welcome to the ChasingLiberty episode.

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This movie came out on January9th in 2004.
It's featuring Mandy Moore.
If you've been joining alongwith us, you know that we're
going back and forth for ourMandy Mania season between
Amanda Bynes and Mandy Moore.
I got to say this from the top.
Amanda Bynes is blowing me away.
Mandy Moore is featured in anepisode in between the Manda

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Bynes episodes.
Actually, I will say this.
Every longtime listeners of thepodcast will know that every
season we have a Winning Londonepisode, which is like the movie
that is our favorite movie.
That is the reason we chose theheadliner.
That is the reason we chose topursue this line of questioning.
And this season we have twoheadliners, Manny Moore and

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Manda Bynes.
We just did last episode...
She's the Man, which was 100%our Winning London episode.
But I would venture so far as tosay that because we have two
headliners, we can have twoWinning London episodes because
this is definitely going to bethe best Mandy Moore movie.
Yeah, I think it is.
I love this movie.
A part of it is Matthew Goode.

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If you guys are Matthew Goodeheads.
A huge part of it is MatthewGoode.
Let me put you on right now tohis new TV show, Department Q,
on Netflix.
I just finished it.
That whole thing took me, itblew I probably benched it in a
weekend.
It's so, so good.
He's still so sexy 20 yearslater.
But this is the exact storylineof...

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First Daughter, if you're aKatie Holmes fan out there.
So if you've seen that, you kindof know what you're in for.
Much better.
Much better.
No, no, no.
And also First, I believe.
I'm not trying to dog Jay out.
Like, I too love this movie.
I hope she's good in it.
What I think is Matthew Goode ishot in it.
That's what I think is going tobe true when we watch it.
Jay stays rooting for MandyMoore.

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And movie after movie, shecontinues to really not show up
for her job, in my opinion.
And yet Jay is holding holdingthat torch she's lighting the
way meanwhile I'm looking aheadto the Amanda Bynes flick every
single week and that's just thedifference between us she is an
unrooter for the underdog I willsay I have to commend you okay

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what the fuck was going on inJanuary 2004 I'm gonna take you
guys through the context cornerwhich is where I'm gonna tell
you what was going on in theworld when Chasing Liberty hit
our screens and here's thenumber one thing that I have
noticed is that actually we'veHere are some things that were
going down.

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The L Word premiered onShowtime.
The world's largest ocean linermade its maiden voyage, and
guess who owned that shit?
You're guessing correct.
It was Queen Elizabeth.
We were landing on Mars with theNASA Opportunity Rover, where we
received the first color imagesof another planet, something we
are definitely not doing now.

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That's very cool, but we werenot landing on Mars.
We built something that went toMars, correct?
Yes, NASA Opportunity Rover.
Guess who's not even buildingthings going to Mars in 2025.
It's all of the corporationsthat we have paid to take NASA's
place.
Yeah, was released by Usher.
ushering in an entirely newgeneration of pop fans pop

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culture the song yeah ushered ina new generation of pop fans
connor yeah is america'sfavorite song i'm gonna have to
take your word on it for it ifyou turned on the radio right
now in 2025 there's a stationwith yeah would be playing it is
20 years later and i don't thinka day passes that yeah doesn't

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play the largest culturalphenomenon of our childhood
happened in this month, Connor.
Are you ready?
Okay.
What?
Britney Spears wed and divorcedchildhood pal and future stalker
Jason Allen Alexander.
Married for 55 hours.
I honestly think she was likesprung from jail for those two
days and was like, this is whatI want to do.

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I have to take back my control.
But it was very shortlythereafter that they pointed to
it as like the exact erraticbehavior that like...
Honestly, I feel like in hermemoir, she talks about it and
she was like, I was fully like22 and bored.
And I I thought this will befunny and guess what it was yeah
and I I think she was probablyreally surprised that people
gave a shit it was just like wewere just at the very beginning

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of like we know everywhere yougo all the time and we have
commentary about everything youdo but truly if she'd been any
other 22 year old with a bunchof money it would have been
funny because she was bored butoh Brittany you gave us so much
and we took so much and we gaveyou back so little so little
okay Billboard top 100 numberone with a bang if you told me
right now to guess what thenumber one song was I would

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still say it's this it's heyy'all by outcast oh yeah my god
yeah um number two is the wayyou move by outcast which fuck
yeah this is like right afterthat album yeah I know the love
below yeah um we've gotmilkshake by keyless and number
three my milkshake brings allthe boys to the yard it's giving

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mean girls number seven we knowit's sugar sugar so it's like
sugar sugar how you get so fatthat was a great track for sure
number eight also great trackthree doors down here without
you i'm here without you andyou're still on my lonely mind
honestly creed gets so much shitthat three doors down has

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miraculously dodged i have tosay it is a christian rock band
oh there you go you nailed itthere you go explain um number
nine is slow jams which is offthe uh college dropout kanye
west album It's Twista.
Wow.
We're already in Kanye WestCollege dropout territory.
For sure.
And then this is the weirdestone.

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This is when I was like, Iactually can't explain this.
Number 10 is a Beyonce song thatI'm not kidding you.
I looked up on YouTube anddidn't know.
What is it?
It's called Me, Myself and I.
Wait, I remember this song.
Do you know that song?
Yeah, I do remember this songcoming out.
Me, myself, and I.

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That's the Billboard Top 100.
Should we talk about what washappening in the box office?
Are you ready?
Yeah, let's get into it.
Big Fish is number one.
Hey, McGregor, we love you.
Love that movie.
Lord of the Rings, Return of theKing.
I think it's the second one.
Is this the third one?
I don't know.
Lord of the Rings, Cheaper bythe Dozens, starring Tom

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Welling, Ashton Kutcher, HilaryDuff, Alison Stoner, whatever
that girl's name is, Piper,Parabo, or whatever.
Cold Mountain, I do rememberthat's Renee Zellweger.
Actually, Jack White's in thatmovie.
and i feel like it was like itit was like the blockbuster of
the summer in our house yeahokay number six wait for it it's

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our very own chasing liberty alot of movies we've watched this
season have been on their likerespective box office top yeah
like actually mandy moore was ahuge box office draw she was
yeah she was and i do thinkyou're right that this came out
before first daughter but barelyand we will fact check that just
because it feels like one weshould you know we hate to do it

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but we will um I feel confident.
I feel confident too.
I was at least aware of this onefirst and it is definitely a
much better movie.
There's like truly no argument.
I've recently watched FirstDaughter.
Do y'all know that's a fuckingForrest Whitaker joint?
Did you know literally ForrestWhitaker directed First Daughter

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starting Katie Holmes?
Katie Holmes and our man MarkLucas from the famed Summer
Catch.
Here's the thing that is thecrucial difference between why
this movie is good and ThePresident's Daughter is bad.
Or First Daughter.
What's it called?
First Daughter?
It's called First Daughter,yeah.
Why First Daughter?
Not to be confused with theother movie, My Date with the

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President's Daughter, which isalso good.
No, because this movie, while itdoes have a secret, secret,
secret service love story angle,is actually very crucially about
studying abroad and falling inlove.
Like backpacking through Europeand having that be a cast of

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characters that changes yourlife.
And that changed the brainchemistry of white girls in
America permanently.
For You're still seeing theramifications of that.
I think there's literally noother take.
You're 100% correct.
Also, a main difference betweenthat movie and this movie, I'm
sure we're going to talk aboutit.
I bet we talk about FirstDaughter all up and down this
episode, honestly.

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But, um...
You don't know until she knowsthat Mark Lucas is actually
Secret Service.
In the movie we're going towatch, Chasing Liberty, this
week, you as the audience, youknow the whole time that he's
lying.
And I think I kind of prefer it,but maybe it's just truly a
better movie.
Okay, number seven isSomething's Gotta Give.
That would be Diane Keaton andJack Nicholson on the beach in

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that big-ass Nora Ephron beachhouse with Keanu Reeves and
Amanda Peete.
Number eight is Paycheck, amovie I low-key love, and we do
not talk about it enough.
It's so genius.
Ben Affleck, Uma Thurman.
I'm pretty sure, um, PaulGiamatti, Lambridge, big fat
liar.
Um, number nine, we've got MonaLisa, Mona Lisa, KD.

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The last one's the last samurai.
I've never seen it.
That's the top 10.
Jay, tell me a little bit moreabout what you remember about
chasing Liberty.
Um, I already touched on thenumber one thing, which is truly
the way it made me feel likegoing to Europe was gonna feel.
The second thing I remember isthat the entire like impetus of

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her going to Europe, likestealing away on her backpacking
journey is that she's going tothe love parade.
I didn't remember the paradething.
I know she was like travelingall around.
I remember the Million DollarMan stickers, which was like a
1960s show that I'd never heardof, so I did not know what they
were.
I remember the like payphoneconversation where the audience,

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where she finds out that he'sSecret Service.
I remember they spend the nighton a rooftop in Paris.
I know the whole thing is aboutlike giving her parents like...
Like they install him becausethey can't keep her from like
shaking them.
She keeps trying to give them aslip.

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Whereas like with Katie Holmes,I feel like she knows she's with
Secret Service and they justinstall like an extra layer of
Secret Service in her like dormTA.
But like with Mandy Moore, theylike want her to think that
she's given the Secret Service aslip.
Like they want her to thinkshe's alone, which in some ways
I think is like a little moreeffective, maybe better
parenting.

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I don't know.
Yeah, I think debatable.
I think that it definitely isclear that he isn't supposed to
fall in love with her, which Ido think is essential for movies
like this to flourish.
If there's any hint that theidea was that she would have a
crush on him and that wouldallow her to go on with it, then

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it's like, the romance isruined.
You can't be tricking girls.
You cannot be tricking teenagegirls.
We, yeah, actually...
I think he maintains this ideathat he's kind of annoyed by her
for most of the movie.
He does, yeah.
Which is way better, actually.
Now that you say it, they didn'tinstall him in her life to be a

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romantic interest, where theypaid Mark Lucas in the Katie
Holmes movie to pretend to likeher.
No, it's an essential part ofthe movie that he's constantly
like, Don't do that.
Let's go home.
And she's like, no, I'm going todo it anyways.
And you're following me aroundbecause you're in love with me,
even though you're acting likeyou're upset.
And he's like, is falling inlove with her.

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He has integrity.
But he's also like, I'm not inlove with you.
Like, you're so annoying.
I'm just worried you're going tolike get hurt.
He's like falling in love withher, but he's aware of the HR
violation in a way that theKatie Hames movie is not.
He's like, this is actually myjob.
But actually, if it weren't myjob, it's just so dishonest and
creepy.
So creepy.
But actually, I love it.

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Also, it's before 2010, sofalling in love at work is not
yet taboo.
It's actually completelyexpected.
You saying that just literallythrew a memory into my brain
from the fucking extreme HRviolation of this movie because
there is a B-plot line of theother two Secret Service...
people that are like followingher around on the train and one

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of them is Jeremy Piven I wantto say and he's actually just
harassing his co-worker and he'sharassing the fuck out of his
co-worker about like how hot sheis why she doesn't bang him like
why doesn't she give him a rideand I actually remember this
vividly because there's a partin the movie where she finally
like throws it back to him andis like you're sexually
harassing me at work literallyconstantly and it is like a

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brand new concept to him and hecan't believe he's in trouble
and low-key it was to me too Iremember being like actually
yeah wait I just thought youguys were falling in love yeah
wait like i just have seen thisplay out in narratives and on tv
over and over and over again andit's like he's so aggressive she
he deserves her and likeactually listen does the movie

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still wrap up with the two ofthem in love for sure you guys
it's 2004 get real be fuckingfor real for one second uh it's
a ride though it's a fun timewe're gonna have fun talking
about it i just remember thatmajor that major insane
workplace set sexual harassmentlawsuit they'd have on their
hands at the white house and icannot wait to get into it jay

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do you have anything else youwant to add uh no that's it i
can't wait to watch this movieit's gonna be the perfect summer
movie okay we're gonna get intoit i'm connor this is jordan and
you're listening to secondshowing so Okay, so before we

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Chasing Liberty.
We love this movie so, so much.
You will hear all about it veryshortly.
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chasing liberty all right youguys we have had a really big

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week um since last time werecorded this we have a new
Democratic candidate for mayorin New York City.
For mayor! So exciting.
So, so exciting.
Best city in the world.
Actually, so excited.
It was a really fun week.
It was my first time voting inNew York City.
I actually registered aco-worker today at work who was

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like, I vote in Connecticut.
And I was like, not anymore,girl.
Give me five minutes.
I'm going to make a Zoran voterout of you yet.
For the general election?
Yeah, for the general.
And I was like, wait, is this myentire personality now like
Connor it's very exciting doesthe DSA know about you and the
work that you are doing I knowdo they know about me such a

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good question um a lot of stuffis going on it's also 100
degrees in New York City we knowyou guys are experiencing a heat
wave everywhere there so staysafe out there stay cool it's
definitely a nightmare it'sdefinitely a nightmare I know
I'm like other people areexperiencing a heat wave but I
don't live other places so it'sthe worst it's ever been here
we're having a horrible timeliterally actually what you said

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um jay i mean i have so manythoughts about this movie top
line thought i really need toknow do you love it is it as
good as you remember honestlyyes top line thought honestly
stunning stellar 10 out of 10would watch it again tomorrow
good it's so good jokes in itthat are like grown-up jokes
that they like let her say okaythe absolutely when i knew it

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was gonna be a different moviethan i remembered or that like
perhaps a lot of it had goneover my head mm-hmm is from the
very beginning her date he isdriving in his car and I swear
they did like a nose wipe and Iwas like oh he like does cocaine
like they're saying he doescocaine that seems so odd like I
was like this is a differentmovie and maybe they weren't but

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it was like I've seen enoughmovies that are for grown-ups to
know that I was like huh and Isaid I know a driving fast
Porsche nose wipe scene when Isee one yes yes yes yes no JJ
literally I was like oh they'redoing a thing but I did I
thought this was the best we'veseen her.

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I thought the only part of itthat was good is when she's
visibly upset about to cry,which has been consistent with
all of her performances.
I still find her so annoying.
And maybe I'm just not as big afan as I thought.
It's like whiny voice.
Also, I think she's so rich inthis and spoiled that I find her

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even more irritating the entiretime.
I don't know.
I think you're just a hater.
I don't know what to tell you.
This is objectively the bestthat she's done.
She was cute.
in this she pulled off her linesshe was like giving character in
a way that i don't know she'sever done before which
definitely her character waslike rich but she was yeah no
jay there is no other conclusionto draw you're right i'm a hater

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like i was giving myself creditfor being a bigger mandy more
fan than i am be like i'm justbarely making it through these
this she was good in this shewas cute in this and the
chemistry between the two ofthem were like well it's like
i've got to double down now thatyou've been so negative but i do
think she was good in this ithink this is the best we've
seen her the chemistry betweenthem is the chemistry now the

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chemistry is a different thingthe chemistry is a different
thing it's all him to me he isreally good an anti-feminist i
literally refuse to give manymore as a female lead an ounce
of credit like i will not listenconnor actually actually i'm
gonna hold your hand when i saythis this is you projecting your
jealousy for her study abroadexperience onto her being a bad

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person and it's just notappropriate and actually you
need to look deep inside youryourself for those of us who
aren't first timers on the podand if we reviewed the material
I think you'll find that I saidShane West was incredible which
he was I think it's undeniableeveryone agrees and she was mid
I think I said last week Icouldn't believe how good Trent
Ford is and let's be honest hewas fine and now I'm like nailed

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it undeniably Matthew Good isincredible and like goes on to
have like a really amazingcareer and stuff but it's like
okay on the one hand yes I'mwilling to accept that I'm a
hater that's just it can't bedenied at this point but I also
do think she has they've beensetting her up with 10 out of 10
leading men and we'll call TrentFord a 6 out of 10 you know but
like listen he was good we wereimpressed don't go back on it we

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were impressed but like it isshe is weaker than the male
leads like they are puttingeverything behind her they're
betting on this pony and I kindof feel like she didn't have it
man I hate to say that but youknow what do I hate to say it's
the undeniable truth she'scharming I just think she's not
doing anything too offensive Ido think that we can take a

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second to say that this was thefirst instance of a long career
of Matthew Goode takingabsolutely nothing and spinning
gold oh I mean just taking noprisoners like truly although I
have a lot to say about him toodo you have any top line
thoughts I'm like I'm too readyto get into it because I have a
thought about every moment ofthis movie but yeah I mean my

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top line thoughts were that Iabsolutely loved it it was as
good as I remembered it beingand honestly maybe even better
because I was fully expecting itto be like silly and not that
good yeah but it was juststraight up a good time perfect
summer movie perfect summervacation movie if you're on a
plane this is the movie for youum It got me hyped to go on a

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vacation I'm literally not goingon.
I was like, let's get out of thecity.
I know.
I loved it.
The beats that I rememberhitting absolutely still hit for
sure.
I think I would have toned downthe whiny.
by like half.
It's like, you know how peoplefind it really hard to watch War
of the Worlds because DakotaFanning is screaming the whole
time?
I just like didn't even noticethis.
I think you're just a hater.

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Or like, you know how peoplefind this fifth season of Buffy
really hard to watch because,oh, Michelle Trachtenberg.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Dawn is like not a belovedcharacter.
Yeah, that's so funny.
But you get it.
It's like if I could have dialedthat down, I might have been
having more fun.
But I am absolutely not going toyuck your yum.
You're too right.
This movie is so fun.
Here's my other top line.

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thought and honestly it's beenmy top line thought about this
movie for a long time and I feellike I came down even more on a
specific side this watch than Iever have before in the past
because I'm older and I know alittle bit more about what
happens when you go to Europebut um I thought you were gonna
be like what happens when youfall in love what happens when
you go to bed with the man whenyou're like no no that's part of

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it too that's all the same thingdo they before she finds out.
No, no, no.
We're going to get into it.
No, we're going to...
I'm so glad you brought it atthe top because listeners, keep
an eye on this question.
Do they fuck?
I'm going to tell you where Icome down on it right now
because you deserve it.
It's the top of the episode.
You've already listened to 30minutes of Yap.
I absolutely think they fuck.

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I can't be talked out of it.
I think it is a reasonablestance to not have the opinion
that they fuck.
The opinion that I hold isabsolutely that they do.
Before this would have said...
I don't think so.
I think they get close, youknow, in the words of Dan
Humphrey, everything but.
Yeah, I mean, a little shirtlesshug action.
You know, after this watch, Iwas like, I mean, come on, two
plus two equals four.

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They absolutely fucked.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think we're older and wiserand like, there's just no way.
Yeah.
Did you notice that the mom isthe same mom from The Princess
Diaries?
oh my god no i didn't i knew itjay when i tell you i had to
google for my life to figure outwho she was and it was staring
me right in the face and i waslike i bet jay didn't notice she

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has blonde hair and she's thefirst lady but there was
something motherly and familiarabout her where i was like i
just know she's like she's notjust the mom and something she's
the mom and like a really reallyclassic something you know and i
i was yeah the princess sothere's a huge land bridge yeah
wow a girl really can just So asthis movie proves over and over

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again, if you change the colorof your hair, you are
unrecognizable even to yourclosest loved ones.
I know.
Absolutely.
Your closest loved ones, theaudience of your early autism.
Okay, I say we get into it.
Did you remember that she wasblonde at the beginning of this?
Because when I tell you...
Yes, I did.
Because she has a wig.
Okay, it is a bad wig.
And you know, if me and Jay arenothing else, we are critics of

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a bad wig.
Or some bad extensions.
Yeah, of which there are somereally bad examples in this
movie.
Literally.
Anyway, side rant.
And in case you aren't asubscriber of the Patreon, what
you're missing is we just wenton a second thoughts rant.
And if you want to know what itwas about, you'll have to
subscribe to the Patreon.
Ooh, that's awesome.
a good one I do want to shoutout the one girl where we were

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like you guys need to commentwhat you guys want the upcoming
seasons to because we did get alittle suggestion and it was for
Hilary Duff so be like that girlif you want to hear a season
about someone find us on socialsemail us at us at
suckandjoin.com do your thing dowhatever message us tell us what
you want the next season to beabout we know what the next few
seasons will be about but we arefully willing to change course

(28:36):
if we get it loud enough wecould be fully lying about that
yeah you'll never know you knowhow fickle we are we were
literally wrong about what thisepisode would be about this week
okay tell us what you want thenext season to be out okay for
the first 30 seconds of thismovie I fully was like oh she's
blonde in this movie and I don'tremember which is insane
considering like you know thecover of this movie but I was

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like why did I think she haddark hair in this and then I was
like it's a wig this is a setupit's a wig yeah yeah also she's
already post her like how todeal makeover and it's like
she's already discovered thatlike chocolate brown is what her
color is Yeah.
Like, we're never going back.
So it opens to, like, an Amer...
Yeah, I was an American girl.

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Oh, my gosh.
Oh, my gosh.
The soundtrack to this movie isso fucking good.
It's really good.
There are so many good bangers.
It's killing it in this openingmontage.
We're opening on a getting readyfor the date montage, which is
so Mary-Kate and Ashley of us.
We're like trying on all ourdifferent outfits.
She's dancing.
She's dancing to American Girl,which is like hilarious and so
on the nose.
I had to fall in love with itimmediately.
I was so obsessed.
And she keeps looking in themirror and being like, of course

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you can kiss me.
Of course you can kiss me, whichI'm taking to mean she has never
been kissed at 18 years old.
Jay, I wrote the meanest note atthis part.
Are you ready?
She's dancing.
She's dancing on the bed.
She's throwing the clothesaround.
And I said, they really saidthis is all she can do.
And kind of, yeah.
Girl, why are you even...
The amount of dancing on thebed, getting ready for a date

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montages we have seen in this...
in the four or five seasons,however many seasons, of this
podcast.
And this is the first timeyou're going to be like,
actually, montage is corny.
Like, you actually need to chilland you need to get your head
screwed on right.
I didn't say montage is corny.
How could I possibly feel thatway when I love this movie and
there's no less than 13 in thismovie?

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No, they're all good.
They're all better than thelast.
And like half of them are sad,which we'll get into.
But actually, half of them weresad.
That was actually crazy.
OK, here's my other note.
The White House reveal, becauseof course, during this montage,
They pan out and she's in theWhite House.
She's in her bedroom at theWhite House.
It's kind of giving CGI passportto Paris in that moment.
OK, I was like, I also wrote thedate pulls up and he's like, got

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to go through Secret Service orwhatever.
He's in his Corvette and heseems funny and cute and he's
like down.
He's a good sport.
And he was like, I bet you guysdon't get a lot of dates to the
White House.
And then he goes, maybe notduring the Clinton
administration.
And they're like, get out of thecar.
We have to search the car.
And he's like, that was a joke.
I'm sorry.
And I literally was like, it wasa good joke.
Like, that is a funny ass joke.
They probably wouldn't laugh,but...

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Justice for Monica Lewinsky.
No, absolutely.
We are Monica Lewinsky.
We're on her side a thousandpercent.
But this is when I was like, oh,this movie's got rated R jokes.
No, exactly.
This movie's got real jokes.
And it's aware of the socialconsciousness and popular
culture.
You know who Bill Clinton is.
endorsed and it wasn't our guyZoltan it was yeah I mean I got

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news for you guys the Clintonsare not progressives no a
hundred percent and if that isactually news for you welcome to
2016 like I don't know what totell you for real so here's my
question to you though yeah yeahyeah because they check him and
they send him through and hepulls up and it's kind of a
bummer because he had thisbeautiful bouquet of flowers for
her that then it's all tornapart because it's like oh
social security had to likecheck it or whatever but they

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also do this like zoom out ofhis like hair on messed up and
he's like really like wide-eyedwhen he pulls up and the flowers
are all torn apart and I waslike is this a cavity search
joke yeah that's what I thoughtmaybe I was like is this
supposed to be that seemed likea bridge too far but honestly if
he's doing cocaine I think it'sa grown-up movie like I will say
that I think so too no no nothat's what I'm saying like I

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think so too also Connor I Hepulls up.
He's like, hey.
And she's like, hi, Grant.
And she does a little wave.
And I literally wrote down in mynotes, Connor's going to hate
her little wave when she sayshi.
I hated it so much.
I just hate how she always leansinto like, girly baby it's just

(32:30):
not for me actually I as yourloving co-host on this podcast
if you do the if you Connor dothe baby voice one more time I'm
canceling the episode I knowit's awful it's like you need a
different co-host like youactually need to fire me okay
here's a joke I really lovedthat she said though because
he's super apologetic that theSecret Service fucked up his
flowers and he's like I'm sorrythey would have been nice and

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she said it's okay they died forour country then a Rooney song
kicks in girl an absolute needledrop yes is that what you I was
like okay so land bridge numberfucking two although we haven't
seen mom yet so technically it'sland bridge number one yeah
Rooney is in it Rooney the bandfrom the princess diaries and

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this is where we find out thatfrom like a voiceover from our
first introduction to JeremyPiven who is her like personal
secret security like securitysecret service guy and he says
like liberty has left likeliberty has taken off so her co
name is Liberty and I gotta behonest I don't think I knew that
before this watch but I was likeokay we're like chasing Liberty
while she's like chasing her ownLiberty like cute click click

(33:35):
click click oh my god also youmight have to do some of the
heavy lifting when it comes tothe Weiss and Morales scenes
because I fully was like I can'ttake a single note I can't like
oh every single every singlenote I took is filled with rage
yeah I mean but it won't be kindto Jeremy Piven was I rooting
for them by the end I don't knowI'm sick in the brain she's
sitting on her date her wholeoutfit is kind of whack to be

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honest but he's kind of datedhe's dressed like a Republican
too they are and you can takethat how you will I do think
like she tried on a bunch ofoutfits in the montage and I
think that is supposed to bekind of like I'm gonna say you
guys I'm the most annoying likean overarching theme of the
movie right is like before shehas this life experience she
doesn't like know who she is soshe tries on like a slutty red

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top she tries on like a dumblittle page boy hat she tries on
like all these different thingsand then when she eventually
does leave the house she'swearing the most like Republican
Republican coated pearl cardiganoutfit, but that's not her
heart.
She's truly a brunette at heart,you guys.
Yeah.
Weiss and Morales are the twoagents that have been assigned
to her case.
You're going to get reallyfamiliar with them.

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They like tail her this entiremovie, but they also have their
own subplot happening.
A lot of what it is is sexualharassment, but the movie would
have you believe it's like abeeline rom-com romantic
storyline.
It's criminal.
It's criminal.
It's actually literallycriminal.
Like it is a crime.
The first instance of it in thisscene, he says something about
her her blouse and she's likeit's a sweater and he goes take

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a compliment and i'm like yeahliterally that's a red flag if
anyone tells you to take acompliment just back away slow
he's like watching her on acamera inside a van like um it's
like in the restaurant and he'slike using his job to spy on her
and like zoom in on her you looknice it's so fucked up you guys
it's so gross here's my nextquestion for you where she's on

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this date they're having a goodtime like they're smiling
they're laughing you're supposedto think the date's going well
yeah it is People keep coming upto her like a old divorcee and
her like two kids and stuff keeplike everyone in the restaurant
like recognizes her.
To like take photos and stuffand it's like I bet this is what
it was like for Malia.
Well so I know but that was whatI was going to say.
I do not think you are able tojust walk up on them and

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somebody get Malia and Sasha onthe phone they'll know better
than anybody but it's like Idefinitely don't think people
were running up on Sasha andMalia.
After 9-11 she's not TaylorSwift.
She is like a political entityand I can just imagine she's
like always in a back roomsomewhere with like a layer of
security between her and anydivorcee that's trying to get

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her autograph I have seen MaliaObama out at brunch at a table
and it was not while her dad wasactively the president but it's
like I just I don't know there'snothing crazy about it but it's
like we never got any photos youknow what I mean Yeah, no, no,
no.
That's true.
That is true.
That's true.
I don't know.
It didn't flag to me as weird.
I will say, though, when thatguy comes up to take her photo

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and goes for a reach andeveryone jumps him, I'm like,
yeah, they should have jumpedthat guy.
Of course.
That would have been crazy to doto anyone if you weren't a
famous person to walk up andsay, let's make this night
memorable and reach into yourjacket.
You'd be like, I'm going to getshot.
Like, that's crazy behavior.
Yeah, no, I totally agree.
And it's like, you know she'sthe president's daughter.
Like, you know there's 18 peoplesurrounding her with guns.
And like, it's a camera.
It's okay.
It's like, okay, you're in idiotbefore that guy comes up and

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ruin essentially ruins her dateum we do get the first instance
of her being like i have thistheory about on honestly i don't
even remember what her theorywas about oh i didn't even
notice it the first time but sheshe'll do it a lot where she's
like just a theory i have ithink they're trying to be like
she doesn't have that much lifeexperience exactly that's what i

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think too and then over thecourse of the movie she starts
to kind of be like actually it'snot a theory yeah like actually
i know this to be true andyou're like okay she's coming
into herself she knows what whattop to wear to dinner now I
think it works for me I like herlittle just a theory I love it I
think it's cute so she comeshome I mean they have a little
conversation on the sidewalkwhere the guy's like sorry
you're a great girl but like I'mnot gonna deal with all this
which I'm like what man show methe man that'd be like that

(37:30):
wasn't like thrilling and insaneand like the hot daughter of the
president that looks like MandyMoore doesn't want to go out
with me apparently the guy thatpulls out the camera he says
like they're my friends and thenhe's like I gotta wait for these
guys to get out and I'm like Idon't understand what your plan
was then anyways like maybeyou're not a good dude yeah I
mean maybe his friends were likecrashing his date because they

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knew where he'd be and hisfriends aren't very nice guys
like that to me seems morelikely but no I feel you who
knows I mean here's where Iwrote it's a me thing but I
can't enjoy a movie where a richskinny white girl has it hard
like I just can't and I trytried like but when she's there
she's like dad you ruined mydate and she goes running into

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the meeting and stuff like hearme out because i do have another
side of this where it's like ithink her dad was super
reductive about our emotions andi did not like it i thought he
was super rude to her but it'sjust the like it could have been
anyone it's not many more'sfault but like making her storm
around about like her date andi'm like you're in a fucking
mansion in the most likewhatever and not even a mansion

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you're in the first house you'rein the house of america and I
just can't I can't I can'tsympathize with her we'll get to
a point maybe where I sympathizewith her exactly once and I
wrote a note where I said inthis moment I sympathize with
her I feel like the setup of themovie right is that like she
doesn't have the freedom to likeexplore herself and she needs to

(38:55):
like break away and learn it andI gotta be honest you're just
gonna have to come along yeah Iknow and I will have a like if
you have a deep-seated problemwith like American imperialism
you're just gonna have to set itaside no I will and I will and I
heard like note taken like Iwill like I get you I get where
you're coming from I'm justsaying like yeah we're on the

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train we boarded the bus yeah soshe goes in there and interrupts
his meeting and my favorite oneof my favorite lines from this
movie and I remember it fromwhen I was in a teacher she
screams at her dad I'm gonna dieat this rate I'm gonna die
before I get to third base andhe looks at her and she goes I
mean second base and I literallywas like that is so fucking

(39:36):
funny And then she turns aroundand there's like all these like
other diplomats and reportersand stuff in the room.
And this is what I really don'tlike from him.
He's like, no, no, no, guys, byall means.
I know we were just talkingabout like the war in the Middle
East or whatever the fuck.
You've had a bad day.
My daughter's had a bad day.
And I was like, OK, listen, Iunderstand your job's important.
I understand you were doingsomething and she interrupted.

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You can check her on that.
But like you don't need to puffyour chest out like she's
irrelevant and nothing likeembarrass her in front of all
these people.
She's already embarrassedenough.
No, I totally agree.
Yeah.
I was like, dad, just fuckingchill out.
They're trying to be like, dad'sfunny.
And sometimes I'm like, peoplethink making fun of teenage
girls is funnier than itactually is.
And that is the thesis of ourpodcast.

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Literally cut it, clip it, putit on a t-shirt, tattoo it on
your face.
I couldn't agree more.
Additionally, this scene iswhere I realized that this
entire movie is a odyssey forMandy Moore to have sex.
She's 18 years old.
She's about to go to college.
It's not a crazy odyssey.
And frankly, I'm rooting forher.
she's upset about her dateending sort of she's mostly

(40:39):
upset about the fact she didn'tget to third base she's upset
about that that guy didn't wantto hang out sort of she's mostly
upset he didn't ask her to kissI was like okay we have a woman
on a mission she's horny and Irespect it this whole movie is
about how she's horny andthere's another great line from
dad here where they're likethey're having this fight in the
hallway after the meeting andhe's like sir the vice president
is still waiting and he goes uhthe president is still the

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president and I literally waslike okay dad's a prick but
low-key he's a well-writtenprick like give him more lines
this is this is gonna be my youlive in a mansion Mandy Moore
every single time the dad waslike I'm throwing my weight
around I was like classicAmerican I know president
overstepping the bounds of theconstitution yeah that's

(41:22):
American masculinity for you butlike they're on a jet in the
next scene playing Scrapple Ithought this scene was cute it
was cute Jay it was so cute itwas so cute my only note was not
her bitching on a private jetI'm like anywhere but the PJ
girl She's whining in the OvalOffice.
Now she's whining on a fuckingPJ.
I literally was like, not forme.

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But she's negotiating whileplaying Scrabble with her
parents, Connor.
It's cute.
It's cute.
And her mom, that's also MiaThermopolis' mom, is better at
Scrabble than everyone.
And it's a detail I enjoy.
See, this is something that wasconfusing to me.
On one hand, I do feel likethey're on the PJ.
She's complaining.
But then the mother is like,yeah, how dare he do this to

(42:04):
you?
So the mom is like completely onher side, which in a way is
nice.
Thank you, Mrs.
Thermopolis.
But it's like, I do kind of likenot think it makes sense for the
mom to be coming at the dad somuch like, because isn't there
like a legitimate securityissue?
No, there is.
But let me break it down.
And it's like, I don't eventhink it's that deep.
I think they're doing a genderedthing where it's like the older

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brother, nobody fucks my sisterI'm a I'm a father and he's and
she's going calm down you'rethrowing your masculinity weight
around a little too much she's aperson that's what I think
they're doing girl it's 2025that didn't even occur to me I
was literally like he's thepresident she's in danger
because I hear you but that'swhy she's taking up for her
because it's like she's not yourlittle girl anymore they're just

(42:47):
doing a gender thing becauseit's 2006 she asked if she can
go to the opera with her friendGabrielle who is the like
daughter of the prime ministeror whatever yeah and he's like
like and he's like oh I don'tknow like I don't think that's a
good idea like I think you'regonna need to take like a
thousand secret security peopleand the mom says something like
he's the president and she saysI'm not asking the president I'm

(43:08):
asking my dad which I was likeshe's doing good yeah she says
do you promise and mom saysdon't ask the president to
promise and she said I'm askingmy dad that's a good line that's
like a good it's like a good wayto sort of set up the movie but
you do learn that her friendGabrielle is like so so wacky
the way she talks to thepresident is actually whack in a
way that it's like you wouldn'teven say this to your friend's

(43:29):
dad because they show up inPrague and they're all at this
party she's like allowed todrink because they're in Europe
and they're drinking champagneand you can tell that it's like
these maybe are who her friendsare the other kids of other
diplomats like that's who she'sallowed to hang out with yeah
and she's like oh it's such adrag to be like with my parents
whatever and they're talking alltogether and the president says

(43:50):
what's that in your mouthGabriella and she's like it's a
piercing and she he was like whywould you get that pierced which
I'm like dad mind your ownfucking business like people
make style choices you weirdoalthough I can't see a dad
asking that and she was likesome guys say it makes for
better and Mandy Moore's like ohcuts her off I'm like no chance
even a French person I'm sorryno shade to the French but even

(44:11):
the French would not say that totheir French dad and the French
are catching strays as well Iknow the Clintons and the French
are really taking L's umHonestly, Gabrielle is wild from
the beginning.
I present nothing against her.
I think she seems fun.
But she walks up and the firstthing she says is, for some
reason, the Secret Service hadto take turns searching me.

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Gross.
This is presumably an18-year-old girl.
Ew, I missed that.
I totally, ew, I hate that.
And then I've got to say the dadwas like looking at her the
whole time.
And I know that he was likedisdainful of her like slutty,
wild French ways, which Ialready think is stupid.
But the way he was looking ather, I was like this, the vibes
of this are so bad like he'slike staring at her tongue he's

(44:56):
like hi Gabrielle you've grownup and I was like actually don't
speak to her president Mr.
President like and the wholepoint of it is to be like dad
thought she was gonna be somelike 12 year old girl like she
was the last time he saw her butinstead she's like grown into
this like whore and he doesn'twant me anymore to associate
with her anymore the way yousaid whore really hit me hard

(45:16):
like a ton of bricks and I wantyou to say it softer next time
you say it I'm so sorry I meanit only to say in a like
disparaging way the way I thinkthis man was supposed to be
thinking about this 18 year oldgirl I was like offended at the
way he was like looking at herand like with disapproving eyes
yeah but but like Were they?

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You're saying he was leering.
The president of this UnitedStates was leering at a young
woman.
Now, Jordan, that's just toofar.
Now you've suggested somethingthat's completely out of the
realm of possibility.
No, yeah, it's weird.
I mean, the whole thing isweird.
It was gross.
It was totally gross.
So she's they're talking abouthow they want to go to the love

(45:58):
festival.
She's all into EDM music, Iguess you can assume.
And Mandy Moore's like, yeah,exactly.
Again, strays.
And she's like, not that likeliking EDM music is inherently
an insult.
But to me, I just instinctivelywas like, it is.
So Connor, not a raver, not araver.
So they're like, OK, we got it.

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We should go.
We should totally go.
Blah, blah, blah.
And she's already gottenpermission to go to this like
opera.
This it's not an opera.
It's a it's say um no no it's atthe opera that's how she's
tricked her dad her dad thinksshe's going to the opera but
it's like at the opera house butso before they go she's like I
just am so tired of everyonelooking at me and Gabriella's
like girl I have the meaning tosay that you are brunette at

(46:41):
heart and she takes her upstairsshe chops off all her hair and
she dyes it brown this is thebest thing that Gabriella ever
does this is absolutely yeah andit's like okay in a world where
she's not allowed to go on adate without 50 people you're
telling me they got into abathroom and dyed her hair but
Jordan you know what you've saidyourself get on the bus and
we're we're on and we're on andshe borrows some cool clothes it

(47:02):
was fun yeah and she does feellike she looks more like herself
like I'm like they let meanymore have a hand in the
styling I'm like I've seen herin this music video she looks
cool honestly the the outfits inthis are the y2k people dream of
today yeah the outfits in thisare not bad well so she comes
out and the dad immediately saysoh good Gabrielle found another
trashy friend and the mom's likethat trashy girl is your

(47:23):
daughter and the dad's like andI was like everything thing
about this has been appallingand the mom's like maybe women
aren't types maybe we don'torganize them into categories
for exactly this reason maybedon't talk about 18 year old
girls that way just actually atall like what if at all yeah
just skip it what if actuallyyou close your eyes and your
mouth sir so they go to this bigraver party and everyone's

(47:45):
having fun and the music is goodbut I am left to draw the only
conclusion I possibly can whichis that this is the first time
Mandy Moore's character has everheard music before because I
think you're right Kristendancing and I'm just like oh god
I'm mortified like the way likeshe's so excited I know it's
like she doesn't get let out alot and I need to be nice but
surely she's danced and by thelooks of the scene you wouldn't

(48:08):
be led to believe that let metell you I do think this is her
first concert also yeah that'strue roots concert which sounds
very cool super fun it soundsvery cool at a roots concert in
Prague but they are having funJay until she realizes what what
does she know oh that the dadlied that it's actually there's
hella stacked with there so hepromised her when she went she

(48:29):
would just have to take Weissand Morales and he was like oh
boy that they are buried underyears of paperwork for sexual
harassment I'm gonna need totake a lot of backup the promise
was that it would just be twoagents and in this moment Mandy
Moore looks up and realizesfully like she's Jason ass born
that there's 50 agents plantedyeah there are and it's like

(48:51):
this is an important thing tonote for what's coming but
they're swimming the place isswimming with them they're
everywhere and And they are inplain clothes, which is also an
important thing to know.
And actually, the movie actslike this is kind of a
reasonable response that it'slike unfortunate, but you
understand why dad did it.
But I don't understand why daddid it.
So I'm just going to go ahead,say it one more time.
The reason he swarmed the placewith security is because he took

(49:12):
one look at that 18 year oldGabrielle and he was like
trashy.
And my daughter needs 50 moreSecret Service.
Like, what was she going to do?
Like, It's just the whole thingis gross.
In response to this, Gabrielle,for a second time in an hour,
has a disguise plan.
Yeah, 100%.
Actually, does the CIA knowabout her?
Yeah, exactly.
Master of disguise.

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She goes in the bathroom andthere's a wasted girl in there.
They also kind of take advantageof this wasted girl.
But she has the same haircut asMandy Moore.
And she's like, I have an idea.
You guys are going to swapjackets.
Which at first, I think when Iwas a kid, you couldn't have
told me they didn't completelyswitch outfits.
Now I realize they just swapped

SPEAKER_01 (49:47):
jackets.

SPEAKER_00 (49:49):
They just swapped jackets.
girl and they have like thecooler leather jacket and she
comes out Gabriella comes outwith the wasted girl to like
distract the agents and be likewe're together and Mandy Moore
and Gabriella have made a planto meet up at like a cafe after
so she's completely on the runlike she's on her own and I

(50:11):
don't like the way it's likethis will show my dad because
it's like well now you're aloneyou're not even out with your
friend like why would this be Iguess they hope to loop up like
immediately after or whateverbut it's like I guess She
doesn't think it'll take thatlong for Gabrielle to meet up
with her.
Like we were saying, the placeis swimming with agents.
They're all in plainclothesclothing.
And she runs out of the bar intothe most beautiful English man

(50:33):
you've ever seen in your lifeleaning against his motorcycle
or his moped, I guess it's fairto say.
It is Europe.
And she's like, hey, can youhelp me get out of here?
And it's like, okay, first ofall, Jay, where do I begin?
We don't have– these podcastsare long enough.
We don't have enough time for meto talk about how insanely a bad
idea it is to walk up with aperson– Yeah, don't worry.
With a vehicle and say, can youtake me away on this vehicle?

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I know nothing about you.
I wrote down, don't truststrange men unless they're dead
sexy.
Don't get taken to a secondlocation unless it's on the back
of Matthew Goode's motorcycle.
And I think that those arelessons every girl going to
Europe needs to just write downand have on you at all times.
Unless it's Matthew Goode'smotorcycle.
Unless it's Matthew Goode.
And actually, like, pull up hisface on the internet right now,

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memorize it, commit it tomemory.
And here's the thing.
Morales and Wise come runningout presumably with other agents
and are like, stop right there,stop right there.
What we find out later, ofcourse, we've told do it's been
spoiled Matthew Goode is anagent and she happened to run up
to someone that was an agent andthat's how this like whole plan
sort of hatches but what I don'tunderstand is why Morales and

(51:37):
Weiss wouldn't be shouting hisname it is interesting it's just
convenient that they're not likeagent Coulter or whatever his
last name is yeah it isconvenient but I don't think
it's that big of a stretch he isa European agent that they have
hired out he's not like on theteam he's freelance this is like
his first time working withanybody so it's like so I think
it's not even that weird thatthey're like which one is that

(51:58):
we have to call in to find outhis last name you know what i
mean like they don't know who itis so she's right on the back of
that moped and they're zippingaround town and it's a chase
scene and i have to say thechasing goes on for a long time
and they do kind of a sillything where they stop more than
once like they stop and she'slike thanks for the ride and
then the agents come around thecorner she's like do you mind
and he's like hop back on andit's like they didn't need to do

(52:19):
it sort of like three differenttimes but they do so the first
time they stop yeah they thinkthey've shaken the agents and
then the keep going he keepsgoing the second time she she's
kind of like getting herbearings she says do you have a
last name and she says no it'sjust Anna like pink and I was
like oh my god remember whenpink was a reference literally
any other generation of timethey would have said like

(52:41):
Madonna I know I had that I waslike they're doing like pink
because it's 2006 pink yeah butI'm gonna start saying that it's
like pink but I like that theyget on get off get on get off
because it's like pretty quicklywe're like for some reason they
keep they're like he's willingto go along you know what I mean
it's like establishing this likethat's a big comment I have

(53:02):
because I think that could havealmost been a top line thought
for me I'm not ready to get intoit yet but there well actually
I'm ready to get into it are youready there is a major plot hole
in this movie and I will discussit as it comes up and it is why
he would stick with her if hedoesn't like but I don't think
it's a plot hole I think it's afunction right because it's like
I think a big thing going on inthis movie is like who knows

(53:23):
what win in a sort of likeclassic Shakespeare comedy kind
of way who knows what when rightbut I do think that it's like
that's because the real drivingfactor is that they're both dead
sexy so it's like she is like ohhe's like kind of annoyed with
me but she doesn't think he'sleaving because she thinks he
also has clocked that they'reboth well and that makes sense
that makes sense until they getto the train which is why I was

(53:45):
like we're just gonna have totalk about it as we go and she's
like you have a crush on me andhe's like no I don't once he
starts to actively reject heradvances it would be confusing
for to her and it is they showthat it's confusing to her but
it's like they could they shouldhave done one extra thing or one
extra narrative device orsomething for them to be a
reason that they're stucktogether when he's like I really

(54:06):
wish I wasn't here I hate beinghere I don't have a crush on you
I don't like you but I'm notjust going my own way I've like
been conscious of that beforebut this time I watched it it
really didn't bother me becauseI think that's the tension of
the movie right is like he's notthat insistent that he doesn't
like her he's just not touchingher and And she is not convinced

(54:26):
that he doesn't like her.
She thinks he's being flirty.
And frankly, he is being flirty.
He is, but he does rebuff herabsolutely unequivocally with
his words more than once.
And you would start to go, whatis going on?
And she does.
And she has a fully valid crashout.

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It doesn't, it still doesn'tmake sense.
I mean, he follows her onmultiple trains.
He refuses to, and then he'slike, but I wish I didn't have
to be here it's like then comeup with a better honestly Jay
the whole thing would have mademore sense if he did just
pretend to have a crush on herobviously he does have a reason
for doing all of this stuff andit's that he's literally been
hired it's his job but thetension between them is enough
to convince her that he's justsort of like playing a flirty

(55:11):
game with her and it's like Ithink it works I think it worked
and it happened one night and Ithink it works here it doesn't
work for me it's just notthere's not enough reason for
him to stick around with the wayhe's like god this is so you're
so much work you know it's likework for who we're strangers
well let's get into it because Ithink that's the charm of this
first night is he very much isstarting out they go to the bar

(55:33):
where she's supposed to meet herfriend Gabrielle and he's like
bought her a beer and she'sdrinking it she's getting kind
of drunk and he's sitting thereand he's getting close he's
getting real close to her he isthroughout this night acting
kind of like I'm having to likechase you around you're like
kind of drunk like this is kindof silly he is acting like this
is more of a chore butthroughout the night he starts
to smile more they start to talkmore totally she wants to see

(55:55):
the opera they talk about theopera they they do start to
connect over this night thatit's like by the time he's
following her on the train he'sno longer like upset at the
things she wants to do he's justtrying to keep distance between
them i actually have exactly theopposite opinion i think the
first night it seems likethey're kind of cool they're
close they're flirty it makessense that he would side of like

(56:18):
make sure she gets home right solong as they're in his hometown
where he lives and it's just onefun night we spent the night on
the roof it's fun all of thatmakes total sense to me once
he's following her to the traingetting on the train going to
the wrong place being in thewrong city refuses to leave her
to me he seems increasinglyirritated by the fact that he
has to follow her on the trainshe's skinny dipping in the

(56:39):
water like i mean the skinnydipping in the water is the
first night i agree i think heis annoyed with her in that and
then they put the clothes on andhe makes the joke about like
well i was a lot happier beforei was wet and chafing yeah yeah
she wants to climb up on theroof i think there are two
things going on here right theyThere's what he is presenting to
her in order to get her to likecreate this false sense of
security.
And then there is like actuallythe journey that the Ben

(57:02):
character is going on.
He doesn't he doesn't want to bethere in the beginning.
And then the longer it goes on,he does want to be there and
falls in love with her.
And I think you can tell throughMatthew Good's acting that he is
putting on a sort of like, oh,God, here we go over here.
But it's like still mostlycharmed.
Even though he is verballyrebuffing her because he knows

(57:24):
they can't hook up.
No, I know that I get that it'slike he wishes they could and
they can't.
And that all comes out and hereveals it.
It wasn't enough for me for itto make sense to her.
I feel like they did it scene byscene in a way that was
believable to me.
When he would rebuff her, shewould be like, what the fuck?
And then he would smile at herand she would be like, okay,
you're kidding.
I thought you were kidding.
I'll bring it up every time Imention it.

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But like, it was a plot hole forme.
So he she tells him about thebar that she's trying to meet
Gabrielle at.
He calls somebody he calls afriend for directions.
And I was like, this is so hot,like so early 2000s.
But he's not actually calling afriend.
He's calling the secret agentsto tell them where they're
going.
Oh, I didn't clock that either.
And that's why they meet himoutside.

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But so then he takes her to thebar.
She's having beers.
She's drinking maybe the firstbeer she's ever had.
She's having a great time.
She's basically like, fine, youcaught me like I'm here with my
rich parents.
And I just got to I couldn'thave another like four course
meal.
and he's essentially drags herhe's like yeah it sounds
horrible you're like richparents are taking you all over
like all the sites you knownothing about my life it's like

(58:28):
I don't know man you just toldme enough to know that it's
pretty charmed yeah and I waslike and I like that part of it
too because it's like do dragher like these are pretty white
girl problems.
I feel like at this point whenthey're at the bar and she's
getting drunk on beer, I waslike, I'm going to need somebody
really quickly to tell me howold Matthew Goode is supposed to
be.
23, don't worry.

(58:49):
Yeah, we don't find out untilafter they have sex.
Oh, wait.
No, no, no, no, no.
We find out because the dad, thepresident, asks, like, what's
the deal on this kid before theyeven come up with a plan?
And they're like, 23, youngestguy in the blah, blah, blah.
That's not true because I waslistening so hard and they say
he's the youngest agent inEurope, but they don't mention
his actual age until later.
They don't say his age.
Oh, my God.
When did they say the 23?

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I think it's after they hook up,but I'll keep you posted.
Also, I 18 and 23.
Like, I think I wrote it down toyou.
Right.
We'll see.
It is like five years.
My boyfriend in college.
I was 18 and he was 22.
Freshman senior.
Yeah, but it's at the end of theworld out of college and
freshman in college.
But hey, she's not even afreshman in college.
So I don't love it, but we'regoing to keep it rocking.

(59:30):
You know, we're going to keeppushing.
This is the smoothest.
This is why this movie.
This is why.
First Daughter will never bethis movie.
This is why this movie has somuch more riz and charm.
The way he rolls out of thatbar, she has to go to the
bathroom and pee.
She sees Secret Service and he'slike, why don't you go in the
bathroom and hide?
He walks out of the bar and theway the just like wind changes

(59:54):
when he sees Morales and Weissand is like, what took you two
so long?
It's such a good reveal.
It's so cool and casual andyou're like, oh my God, I'm in
on it.
Like, holy shit.
Because it's like this movie hasbest of both.
You do get a little time whereyou don't know and that's really
fun so that you have the revealtwice but the way he rocks up to
them like they're all co-workersand they're like I was just like

(01:00:16):
oh god I love it so much he's socalm cool and collected the
whole time and I'll also saythis no offense to the
president's daughter and MarkLucas who is a friend of the pod
but here's the problem that youcould so easily fall into with
this storyline is making himlike too much of a cop like
making him too goody two shoestrying to get along with Morales

(01:00:38):
and Weiss but the way that he'slike immediately giving them
attitude the way he'simmediately like what was I
gonna do cause a scene in frontof the photographers like if you
guys were better at your job Iwouldn't even have to be here
like this is a day job for meI'm really a photographer and I
was like hot hot hot it's likehe's the least cop cop I've ever
seen and for that we have toapplaud yeah he doesn't want to

(01:00:59):
have to babysit her to yourpoint I think he probably thinks
she's like kind of like out oftouch or whatever he's like he's
a freelance agent like we said Ifeel convinced he was doing
perimeter he never expected yeahabsolutely oh my god and the way
you said doing perimeter is soconfident I know are you a cop
oh my god no but this wholething starts to take shape

(01:01:20):
because they're updating thepresident and they're like she
thought that this free this likefreelance agent was somebody
else and she ran away from usbut thank god like luckily my
lucky scrunchie luckily he

UNKNOWN (01:01:33):
is one of us and he's got her and the dad's like wait
a second so she doesn't knowthat who it is mom says she at
least needs the illusion ofindependence and he's like wait
wait before we pick her up let'slike roll with this and I do
think the mom expresses someconcern about lying to her like
should we do this and I thinkshe is right I will say at one

(01:01:54):
point he was like this is geniusdiplomacy and I'm like also kind
of right like truly fucked upbut it is a great idea like if
you don't care about

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:03):
your daughter or her emotional fallout which clearly
he does not

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:06):
it is a really

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:07):
really good idea like he also says to him on the
phone when he's telling him theplan that you're gonna like take
my daughter out around

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:13):
Prague he's like

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:14):
it is essential that she never ever ever find out
about this I know and I do thinkthat that comes up several times
like throughout the movie whereit's like the way to get her to
do what you want or the way toexplain this or the way to make
this all better would be to kindof like explain yourself and he
is like unable to at severalpoints in the movie yeah okay
that's a good point I actuallyfeel like that's a good point to
my that he's like it's also soimportant she not know but I do

(01:02:38):
think it would have been a lessit's unethical either way
because it's a lie but it wouldhave been less unethical if it
was a female companion if shehad like made a really good
friend and she was skippingaround but it's like the way
they know she's going to be intothis because it's a hot young
man is really not great it'sreally not cool I think that's
the mom's like immediatehesitation is she's like this
seems like it could get messybut also it's like you know she

(01:03:01):
they come she comes out of therestaurant because even though
he thought his job was over henow realizes okay I'm in it
they're gonna let me stick withher he's wrote back in she has
no guilt about how worried herparents would be I noticed it's
like even if she's not thepresident's daughter they don't
know where she is and she's notcoming home it's like I would
have a little bit of like damndo I need to put them through
this like even if she calledthem and we're like I'm not

(01:03:22):
gonna tell you where I am I'mnot coming home but I am alive
and I'll see you tomorrow I knowyou're right I'm doing too much
huh Anyway.
I love that she comes out andshe's like, finally, I finally
get to experience the realPrague.
And I was like, bitch, you're80.
Yeah.
Like, have you been notexperiencing the real Prague all
this time?
Yeah, I know.
Like, weren't you just at aRoots concert?
Like, holy shit, we should allbe so lucky.

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So they go into like a littlepiazza and there is like a
public projector movie orwhatever.
And she just decides they'regetting on Roots.
Well, first she goes skinnydipping.
Oh my God.
The most annoying.
Here's like, she's drunk and inpublic.
It's like, there's tourists likeeating dinner and shit.
And it's like, this is the stuffwhere it's like, I can't

(01:04:05):
sympathize with her.
This is such like entitlementbehavior to me to be like, I'm
experiencing the real Prague.
And I get that she's drunk anddon't get me wrong people.
I appreciate what it is like tobe like 18 and in Europe, but
like getting naked and skinnydipping in front of a public
venue is just like, you suck.
Like you suck.
Also what city body of watershould you be skinny dipping in?

(01:04:26):
I can tell you right now, nonenot one Morales and Wise have to
buy all the cameras back becausepeople are taking pictures of
her skinny dipping and that willcome up later they're trailing
them the whole time that's partof the plan is they're like his
backup while they're buying themback he's like actually honey
can we get a shot together andhe makes his business partner
stand next to him and pretend tobe his wife while he takes

(01:04:47):
photos with her like they're ona date just another example of
the ways he is behavingcompletely inappropriately with
a woman who literally onlyshowed up to work today he's
pushing things on her that it'slike can i just do my whatever
you guys get it we don't like itum so they go into a piazza and
they're like projecting a movieand she just decides we're
getting on roofs and it's likeokay and it's like but okay

(01:05:11):
here's the here's the tensionfor me and i totally am gonna go
with it but it's like he eitheris excited and he has a crush on
her and he's like we're climbingon roofs or he's going i'm not
gonna get up on a roof that'sdoing too much i'm sorry but
like it was nice to meet yougood but what happens is he has
to do both where it's like hecan't let her out of his sight
but he doesn't want to get up onthe roof so he's just like

(01:05:32):
grumpily following her and itdoes it's just he's having fun
I'm stopping he's having funhe's having fun yeah it's like I
think you're taking grumpy andit's like and I do think at this
point he's kind of like I'mhaving to do all this shit
because I'm getting paid to buthe's playing it more nonchalant
than he is like upset or angryor unwilling he's just being
kind of like an aloof hotmysterious guy it's not that

(01:05:55):
nefarious I'll give it to youI'll give it to you but I do you
think also crucially he's got tobe the one that knows how we got
up on the roof she doesn't knowso he's figuring it out he
absolutely said this way madamI've been up here before he said
I always watch from these seatsthese are my seats um okay
here's the one part of the moviewhere I was like okay empathize
like this is your finallyexplaining yourself you know

(01:06:17):
what I mean and it's becausethey're up there and she's doing
that thing again where I'm likeI cannot listen to a rich white
skinny girl complain um butshe's like he's like how can you
rely be that hard it's like itsounds like you get to get the
opera because he notices like hethinks he's telling her about
the opera they're watching onthe projector screen but she
knows everything about it whichi actually really liked because

(01:06:38):
he was like see that actress shethinks this but actually and
amanda more is like well she'sdoing that because of this and
she knows the whole motivationfor it and i was like fucking i
love that little detail I lovethat too because I feel like it
does an essential thing that somany rom-coms forget to do where
they just throw people intosituations and they're like,
because they're in thissituation, they're in love.
And I feel like so oftenrom-coms forget this essential

(01:07:01):
scene which took like twoseconds and two lines.
They should have something incommon.
Which is give them something incommon.
Oh my God, give them somethingto talk about.
I liked it also because it'sjust like, oh yeah, you would be
cultured.
Why wouldn't you be?
Because you're a teenage girland our brains are assuming the
worst of you.
I loved that it sort of reset.
Remember who she is, where shecomes from.
Yeah, she's going to have thebest education in America.
because she's literally thefirst daughter.
She goes to Harvard later, guys.

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So he says, your life can't bethat bad.
And she says, I never said itwas bad, but it's very lonely.
And I was like, oh, you knowwhat?
And I am going to say, fair.
I bet it is deeply lonely.
And when you come at it fromthat angle, I'm lonely.
I can't have real friends.
I can't have real connections.
I can't have dates.
I can't fall in love.

(01:07:42):
Let's talk about lonely, and I'mlistening.
I think that's the whole point.
And I think it does the samething to him.
right like he's like actuallyI'm listening so yeah oh did you
notice they start to play PaoloNutini when they wake up on the
roof oh my god no I didn't butsimply of course they did I was
like Paolo I recognize himanywhere yeah here's the other

(01:08:05):
thing when she wakes up she'slike I need to call my parents
like I think this is like girlyou are in someone if it was our
parents like you know thefucking police Interpol would be
out there like it's so insane soshe calls them their under
reaction would be so such a bigtip off knowing what she knows
about them and that he sent like50 agents to the bar when he
promised only like all this shitthe way he's like hey you know

(01:08:27):
what I lied to you and Ishouldn't lie and next time you
know what and she's like wowyou're being really cool that is
where I'd start to look aroundat the people around me look
around and see if someone washiding on the bus next to me
it's too weird this is where Irealized that they all like
Matthew Goode the dad Moralesand Weiss they all think this is
a one night plan and it's overnow Oh, yeah.

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And she's going to come home.

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Yeah.

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And I was like, that makes this make like a lot more
sense to me that this was theplan.
Of course, she's never going tofind out.
Of course, she's not going tofall in love.
They did one day.
Why would she?
Yeah, exactly.
She's not going to fall in love.
But basically, while they're onthe phone, the dad receives all
the photos that they bought offthe tourists while she was
skinny dipping.
And he sees these naked picturesof her in public.
And he starts to freak out onthe phone.

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The switch up is immediate.
He's basically like, I knowyou're in the train station.
Do not get on a train.
And she's like, I can't believeyou traced my call and I was
like you can't I know what thefuck do you mean you can't in
all kinds of international lawsthis is my you're just an
annoying rich girl you're justan annoying president of the
United States I'll trace what Iwant to trace is not the take
you think it is sir that's thePatriot Act and it's prime yeah

(01:09:36):
I mean she you didn't come homelast night in a foreign country
like you're using everything atyour disposal girl like get you
need to get for real honestly sohonestly she does immediately
get for real because she hangsup the phone and she gets right
on a train she's like I'mrunning away away again and she
doesn't even think he's gonnacome with her she's like this
has been so nice thank you somuch I've got to go to Berlin
she tries to shake him actuallyto that point she tries to shake

(01:09:58):
him more than once like over andover and over again she's like I
actually have to run he says I'mnot gonna trace you through
Europe and she says okay bye shesays is this the train to Berlin
and someone says yeah and shetakes their word for it honey
she just says he seems like heknows what he's saying she gets
on of course you find out thewrong train but Matthew Good
follows her on the train this iswhere Jay I'm telling you I'd be

(01:10:20):
worried I was being kidnappedthis is where I'd be like okay
and I guess yeah but it's cuteinstead she looks at him and she
goes you got a little thing forme huh yes and I was like that
is of course what you wouldthink that is of course what you
would think the movie makestotal sense to me up until this
moment where he's like no Idon't he says no I don't we're
just traveling in the samedirection and as he does that he

(01:10:42):
scoots closer to her staresdeeply into her eyes and smirks
at her and it's like okay Idon't know this whole time on
the train yes maybe it felt likehe was like holding something
back or he wished he could likeget closer to her than he could
but he seemed irritated to methe whole time I don't know so
basically she is sort of likefine then like get off the train

(01:11:02):
and he's like it's a movingtrain I can't get off the train
and crucially he is literallysmiling at her as he says this
he is flirting with her as hedelivers the lines and she's
essentially like well then finewhen the train stops like we'll
just go our separate ways andhe's like okay and then he very
gentlemanly gives her a littlebit of toothpaste to rub on her
teeth.
Offers a little bit oftoothpaste and her little

(01:11:23):
tantrum where she sticks out herfinger is so stuck with me from
when I was a kid about likeshe's like I'm mad at him but
like I would love to brush myteeth with my little finger.
I would love to brush my teeth.
It's so cute.
And I personally have used thathack several times while on
trains in Europe I canconfidently say.
Because I saw this movie.
We jumped to Weissa Morales whodid get on the train to Berlin

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so they're on the wrong trainand in this moment girl it's
this is the worst and it doesn'tget better but this is the worst
he goes god this is the mostmickey mouse assignment we've
ever been on because he'sirritated they're on the wrong
train and he she says listen ijust do what i'm told and he
goes oh yes strip naked andstops to like look at her and
she lays into him thank god theonly reason i can watch this

(01:12:05):
movie is because she finallyfucking is like what are you
doing stop like it's not coolit's not cute and if only the at
the perspective of it was we areco-workers and this is sexual
harassment it's not it's also agood point but it's not a
complete point that she makeswhere she's like this is just
neanderthal ridiculous annoyingbehavior and it's not attractive

(01:12:29):
and you're not going to attracta person this way and it's just
stop yeah i agree and i do thinkit does get to him in the
literally most annoying way andthen he continues to be like a
little baby about it oh my godit's insane it's actually so
much more annoying than whenhe's sexually harassing her that
he's like you hurt my feelingsbecause i'm not allowed to
sexually harass you but i dolike that she calls his brain uh

(01:12:50):
the construction site lunchbreak that is your brain i was
like your personality yourpersonality i was like thank god
someone had to say it okayhere's what i want to get to i
think this is such a take areyou ready yeah the next scene
where we meet mcgruff they havea little third friend mcguff who
like is following around forcertain on and off for parts of

(01:13:12):
this I think this is my mostromantic part of the movie I
think this is most poetic partof the movie I'm so obsessed
with him he's like a poet thewhole time I said he the million
dollar man guy he's a keeper Iliterally know sorry to spoil
this for you that he does robthem he ultimately is a
pickpocket and it doesn't changemy opinion of him and frankly it
doesn't change Manny Moore'sopinion of him either he gives

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this whole spiel about how he'sjust like running through Europe
and at one point he like leavesand says have you ever made slow
love on a high speed train andI'm like the way that I was just
ranting about the sexualharassment happening on the
other train and this linetickled me pink I was like that
is so fucking I can't handle itI love it he goes just me my

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rucksack in the open road aheadof me and Matthew Goode is like
and your sandals because he hashis like bare feet up on his leg
the whole exchange is so funnybut here's what I want to talk
about he is investing in aglobal community and here's how
he's doing it this stuck with meas a kid so much I like wanted
to do it I wanted to see one Iwanted something like this to be
real he's got a backpack full ofstickers it is totally And

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there's stickers from TheMillion Dollar Man, the 1960s
show, which I think I mentionedin the upfront.
Yeah.
He said, you know, you take somestickers, you take some
stickers, and they're like,okay.
And he was like, they're notjust stickers.
Here's what you do.
You're going to walk around thewhole time you're in Europe.
You're going to post them up.
That's all you have to do.
When you see a spot for one, putit up.
And they were like, okay, andthen what?

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And he was like, and thennothing.
You forget about the sticker.
You go about your life,whatever.
But one day you're going to feeldown.
You're going to feel sad.
You're going to be very far awayin life.
You're going to look up andyou're going to see an sticker
and you're gonna know thatyou're not alone and that like
you're a part of a globalcommunity and I literally was
like I'm crying he's a poet likethe the way it's like everyone
I've ever touched Eventuallywe'll be everyone if we keep

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going.
You know what I mean?
And he doesn't– I don't feellike he explicitly is like, and
then you can give the stickersto your friends or whatever.
It's just the people he givesthem to, which I feel like is
even more insane because then asa person that might see that
sticker again, you know they raninto McGuff.
You know what I mean?
But he does give them– a hugeamount a handful and they do
throughout the movie give themto other people so it's like I

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do think there's supposed to belike a pay it forward element to
it and I do think he says likeand then you realize like we are
all one we're all connected oh Iwas just like wait do I love
McGuff like he can pickpocket metoo actually he's a keeper for
sure but also I was like not thefirst daughter going to Europe
for literally 24 hours and likelearning about social
responsibility global communityno exactly but I will say he's

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very well cast he's extremelytrue even though he's totally
neurotic and annoying it's justlike every line out of his mouth
is poetry and I really love himas a character no I do love him
and I do think he's like a hugeasset because he brings into the
movie this whole kind of likeEuropean Eurotrash backpacker
like culture of like discoveringyourself through travel and he

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represents that like to a T yeahit's also hilarious because it's
like wow the hostels really dobe full of just like oh my god
exactly this guy BritishEurotrash Like they would have
done a disservice to the movienot to have like a character
like this.
This is also the point where wefind out that they aren't going
to Germany.
They're going to Venice.
McGruff is like, when we get toVenice, this will happen.

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And she's sort of like, oh,fuck.
Morales and Wise literally areon the train to Berlin.
So they're in the completeopposite direction.
When the dad finds this out thatthey're on the trip to Venice
and he's been alone, he's pissedand he immediately calls off the
entire operation, which I thinkis important because it's like
from this point on, MatthewGoode thinks he's doing what the
president has asked him to doand is in fact rogue completely

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rogue here's what doesn't makesense to me too though is like
they put Weiss Morales on atrain back to follow them in
Venice which is silly becausethey're just going to end up in
Berlin in a couple days anywayand my thought is wouldn't the
president of the United Stateshave people on site in Venice
that could be there in 20minutes they do bring that up to
the president he's like we canhave people swarming her in 10
minutes yeah but he stilldoesn't want to like reveal that

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she's being tailed that theyknow where she is yeah she's
being tailed so they do a cutelittle montage of the three of
them hanging out there withMcGuff they go shopping she
needs a change of clothes likebad so they all go shopping and
they're hanging out and stuffbut here's another point where
she's like she comes out of thetattoo parlor with McGuff and
she's like pretended to havegotten a tattoo and then she's
like just kidding and he's likegod damn it you had me really

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worried there and again it'slike the movie forgets what she
knows and doesn't know it's likeshe accepts that he's her hold
on hold on she accepts that he'sher caretaker and that he would
be mad if she got a tattoo he'sa stranger It just doesn't make
sense.

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I mean he clearly feelsresponsible for her he says that
he's like you know you're alonein Europe you don't know anybody
and like I caught up with youand now I'm like kind of feel
responsible for you and she'slike okay well don't worry like
I'm a grown-up and he's likeokay like you're clearly not so
it's like they have had aconversation where he's like I
don't want to like leave youalone to the wolves but also
it's like they're having fun Iknow I'm talking now they're

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having fun they're like runningaround the city they're taking
photos they're hugging they'retaking they go to dinner
together like they go shoppingtogether he they make this she
makes this joke with him aboutthe tattoo and he at first is
like oh fuck and then they walkaway laughing like it's just not
a chore for him anymore he'sstill playing it kind of aloof
but it's like they're enjoyingthemselves she feels very close

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to them both at this point to memaybe it's just because i know
too much information it doesn'tmake sense that she'd be like
i'm gonna go freak out my keeperit's like why is he your keeper
this doesn't make any sense ifhe's such a stick in the mud why
are they i know but it's likebecause she thinks he's hot this
just isn't right to me I feellike I'm like he's smiling at
her he's doing everything sheasked him to do he's that cute

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I'm like of course she thinksthey're falling in love um I
kind of like that they give thema third friend during this
because it's like a buffer it'slike they get to have fun and
it's not romantic and it's likenot you saying it's a buffer
when literally that's the likeno homo way he robs I know oh my
god exactly no no no we jumpback to Weiss and Morales and
this is what you're talkingabout earlier where he's being a
little baby bitch and he's madshe called out his misogyny he's

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literally like And she's like,what?
He's like, you said I have thepersonality of a construction
site.
And she's like, I'm sorry.
I didn't mean it.
And then he's like, yeah, youdid.
And she's like, yeah, actually,I did.
And thank God.
Thank God.
She was like, yeah, I did.
And here's where the situationwe're in now is not only is she,
frankly, the only one payingattention to the job.

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I know.
He's just been complaining andhitting on her and falling
asleep under her movie.
And staring at her ass and shit.
Yeah.
She has to be doing all thework, taking all the notes.
And now she's got to bebabysitting his fucking ego on
top of all of that.
Not to mention the harassment.
She's already undergone.
Yeah.
Free this woman.
Yeah.
And here's the gay panic momentback with the three of them
gallivanting around Venice.

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He's like, I'm going to go getice cream for us all.
But like, can I have a hugfirst?
He invites the guy to hug andhe's like, we got a chicky
buffer.
And he's like, what's that mean?
He was like, it means it dispelsany panic of like two men
touching each other becausethere's a girl here too.
For 06, it's kind of funny.
It does make me sad in a 2025way that that's what we had to
do for men to hug.
It's just so silly.
Especially European men.

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I was like, European men behugging exactly I will be to I
do want to divulge this oneanecdote that was when I studied
abroad in Italy in Florence in2012 I was a sophomore in
college and I did have a friendthat met friends out at the bar
we were at and we all went homeand he ended up staying with
them and they spent the wholeevening together it was like

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five people they went to anotherbar after the first bar they all
said he had made friends and atthe end of the night the like
sun is coming up and they'rewalking around and he said they
turned a corner and ran intolike five more of their friends
and they very calmly were likegive us all your stuff and your
wallet and stuff and he was likedamn like i bet at some point in

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the night they were like this isjust like an easy mark and we're
not going to get out of thisnight without getting this guy's
money but like how what a tripto hang out all night and be
like we were friends you know soyeah i mean it's crazier things
have happened for surecompletely i think like I think
everybody like knows of a storywhere something like that has
happened people sort of likeleading you to another location

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under the guise of friendshiplike I do think this is
something that people have to beworried about and as like a
someone who's no longer ateenager watching like this 18
year old girl traveling soloalone being so open with you
know what I mean like being likeand these are my best friends
now when we go everywheretogether it does sort of like
get that getting that panic upyeah it is too bad though
because it does feel like youknow this is what you're there

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for to like meet strangers gohang out with them, go to
parties.
And I have met a lot ofwonderful people.
Me too.
Here's a good rule though.
Make sure there's a woman withthem.
I don't even know that thatwould fully save you.
My rule would be make suresomeone else knows where you
are.
Yeah.
Okay.
Both good rules.
So they have a hug and then hegoes off to like get ice cream
or whatever the fuck he said hewas going to do.
And Mandy Moore and MatthewGoode have a romantic dinner on

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the canal.
Yeah.
But you know what's weird, Jay?
McGuffer, McGruff, he doesn'tcome back right away.
Hmm.
He doesn't come.
Yeah.
actually the sun fully goes downyeah it's so crazy what could be
taking so long mandy morecomments as much where do you
think he got off to he is takingpictures of the canal while
she's having dinner and she'skind of like ragging on him for

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not wanting to like sit and havedinner with her she's like you
are being so silly like sit downwe're having dinner and he is
like trying to keep thisdistance between them because
he's trying to keep itprofessional and right in him a
little bit and then this leadsinto her reaching into her bag
and realizing that not only doesshe not have a wallet, she only

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has like a handful of MillionDollar Man stickers.
And Matthew Goode's like, relax,I have a wallet.
No, he doesn't.
He also has a pocket full ofMillion Dollar Man stickers.
He has the president's daughteron him.
He could send up a flare.
He could call someone on thephone.
Like he could, but before hegets the chance, she panics
because as she's like freakingout about not having her wallet,

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people start to recognize herand say her name.
And she's like, I'm so sorry tolike stiff you.
But I've got to run.
And she literally takes offrunning down the street.
So they're in the most Americantourist place in the world in
Venice.
Jeff Bezos is getting marriedjust down the street.
Yeah.
I did not understand thisbecause why can't she just be
recognized as the president'sdaughter?
She doesn't want Matthew Goodeto know she's the president's

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daughter.
She doesn't want to get swarmed.
She doesn't have any security.
She's alone and she's an 18 yearold girl.
By the way, she has a crush onhim.
You'd think they'd be gettingcloser and she'd be like, well,
now is as good a time to anysince these three people from
Iowa recognize you to tell mewho I really am.
That would have been cute.
They never do do that.
Actually, you know what?
I'm having this thought in realtime in this moment that she

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does not tell him who she is theentire time either.
Um, no, I didn't notice that shedoesn't, but I feel like the
whole point is that she's tryingto run away from that.
Yeah.
She's trying to figure out whoshe is outside of that.
So she takes off running and hetakes off running after her and
And the maitre d' and about 10waiters take off running after
them.
And so it's a whole fuckingscene down the street of Venice.

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All of them running because shecan't afford the bill and she
doesn't want to get seen.
They hide underneath a bridgeand this is where we meet both
the best and the most cartoonishcharacter in the entire movie,
the gondola driver.
The gondola guy is like, oh mygod, my first couple.
And she is like, oh my god, thisis the perfect getaway boat.
It's like the Disney ride thatgoes through the entire city if

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they get on that gondola.
And they have to pay for it.
But I feel like that's why theywant to get on it is this is
like a classic Venice thingthat's so cute.
And also like it's fun.
Oh my God.
Like who doesn't want to get inthe gondola with their hot
boyfriend that is acting like hedoesn't like them.
Before they get on the gondola,they have to sweet talk their
way onto the gondola.
And I think it's so cute.
She has like a real kind of likemaking it up manic energy on the

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fly where she's like, uh, we'rehoneymooners.
Uh, we don't have any money.
And every single time she does,he is like...
backing her up 100% with themost charmed smile on his face
and you can tell she doesn'tthink he's gonna go along with
it until he's the one that'slike fully selling it and he's
like we tried to stay apart butit's just no good we have
nothing but we have everythingand she's like oh my god he acts

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like they're on the lam fromtheir families or something or
like they didn't want them toget married just to like really
elevate the story and I feellike he is like you said he's
very cartoony so it's like ofcourse he would be so into
romance and he would be swayedby romance because he's a
gondola driver or whatever whichyou find out he was like a
accountant the week prior and hejust bought this boat and like

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fucked off the rest of his lifebecause he really wanted to be a
gondola driver I can't imaginethat's a job people want people
that live in Venice or pays

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:11):
very

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:11):
well yeah no kidding and this job pays not at all
because eventually he's like youswayed me they get in the boat
wait I love he says if sweetstories were pasta you would be
very fat already and then he'slike okay you can get in blah
blah blah the boat is veryformative for me this is a
standout memory for me from themovie because it's like again
he's been like grumpy sour pussacting like he doesn't have two

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feet under him and walk can walkaway at any moment all day now
they're in the boat and she'sreally excited he kind of went
along with their little liebecause it like it's a reason
it's a fake dating trope youguys we all love a fake dating
trope even mandy moore and hetells this story that i fucking
love the details details likethis that make the movie good is

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like he tells this story abouthis dad being in being whatever
not an agent but something Ican't remember what he says he's
just like a workaholic we knowthat his dad was also an agent
but he's like you know my momthey got divorced because she
waited around and waited aroundand she wanted him to make the
big gesture and he never did andMandy Moore's like what's the

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big gesture and he says you knowI'll quit for you I'll stay home
for you whatever and he just hedidn't do it And Mandy Moore was
like, oh, that's sad.
And he's like, yeah, I agree.
It is sad.
So they broke up.
He says he says not only did henot do it, he said people don't
really do that, do they?
Which I think sets up kind ofanother like element of their

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relationship where it's likeMandy Moore has been ragging on
Matthew Goode for being likeclosed off to fun, like not
curious about the world.
And it's like we know that he'sat work.
But this sets up another elementof it where it's like he is
burned by his parentsrelationship into not looking at
the world in like a romanticway.
way the way that Mandy Moore islike determined to on this trip

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yeah and she has no experiencewith anything she probably
believes life is more romanticfor regular people you know what
I mean so it's like she's 18 andhe's 23 but they do kiss here it
is mentioned in this momentright before their lips lock
which I was like a choice madeby the movie and I'm glad of it
but so the waiter and the ownerof the restaurant come running

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over one of the bridges they'reabout to go under and so in
order to hide her he leaned overcovers her and they kiss they
kiss and it's a good kiss andshe shook and they go under the
bridge and the waiter and thecafe owner can't find them and
they give up and they walk offthe bridge here's what i don't
love about this they come apartshe knows they ran out on the

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bill and i feel kind of bad hedoesn't let her in on the fact
that like oh we're hiding fromthe bill somehow kissing her and
then not telling her although iknow i mean i know he actually
wanted to kiss her too but partof it was this little plan and I
feel kind of bad that she thinksit's like a genuine a fully
genuine moment I do think it'spartially genuine but he does

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keep that in his back pocket towhip it out at the least
opportune moment later yeah I dohate that honestly like this
gondola scene is the crux of themoment where it's like okay this
is like becoming real like forhim yeah it's been real for her
the whole time yeah but it'slike but this is like the
softest and the sweetest and theclosest they've been are yeah

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like um they talk about howshe's like oh like you know i'm
just like some crazy girl youran into on this trip and he's
like no you didn't need me likeyou would have been fine on your
own which is the first time thathe has kind of admitted that
admitted that he sees her aslike a capable person or a peer
you know what i mean she takesthat to heart that means a lot
to her and i'm like you wouldthink she's just not wrong you

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you would think he was fallingin love with Liu.
Like, you would think it was on,like, Donkey Kong.
I'm standing on business thatwhy the fuck are you following
me around across multiplecountries except that you have a
crush on me?
Finally, you admit it, ifanything.
You know what I mean?
Like, you would have been fineon your own, blah, blah, blah.
I wrote down, like, I know he's,like, kissing her for the, you

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know, to hide her, and he's,like, following her around
because he's being paid to.
But then I was like, but at acertain point, like, you are
solving all of your own issueswith boyfriend solutions.
Yeah, that's so true.
Like, you could have just tuckedyour head.
You could have just pointed someother way and you guys turned
around behind you.
Like, you could have done amillion different things.
Let's hide together.
No, he's looking for a reason tokiss.
Exactly.
And also at this point in themovie, I realized that this is

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the exact plot of another MandyMoore movie called Tangled.
Tangled the cartoon?
Mandy Moore is the voice ofthat?
Yeah, she's the voice of the,like, princess.
Wow, that is a fun fact I trulynever knew.
And it's like she was perfectcasting because she literally
already did every single beat inthis movie.
Wait, no.
to be a bitch but i actuallyloki can't believe mandy moore
was cast in a movie where youcan't see her that shocks me i

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can't she's really good at itshe's a disney princess and she
sings oh but literally it's likea handsome man she like runs
into her but he has ulteriormotives but she convinces him to
like take her to the festivalshe's always wanted to go to and
he's like kind of debatingwhether or not he's doing it for
the right reasons or not.
And then they kiss in a rowboat.
That happens in Tangled.

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That's so fucking funny.
So their ride ends.
I have another question for youabout this kiss.
Sorry to harp on literally thebest scene in the movie.
Do you think this is her firstkiss ever?
Yes.
It must be.
Because she's never been kissedbefore.
at the date we don't knowconclusively she's never been
kissed at the date but i thinkthey want you to think that i

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think they're suggesting thatand i think this is her first
kiss maybe not because latershe's ready to go a haul the way
so maybe she has at least kissedin about five minutes listen the
plot of this movie is that mandymoore's trying to fuck that is
her yeah she is horny this movieit makes me really like her it's
a wholesome goal i mean i don'tmean that ironically so they're

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like let me take you to yourhotel the bride is over you guys
are adorable The little boat guyLoves the kiss As much as we do
And they're like Oh that remindsus We don't have a hotel And he
is so concerned that they don'thave a place to spend their
wedding night.
He's like, but where will you?
But where will you?
And it's like, you have to comehome and sleep in my bed.

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And Manny Moore is like, bed.
They go home to his house wherehe lives with his mother.
Did you recognize who the momwas?
Yeah, it's the nurse from Romeoplus Juliet.
It's the nurse from Romeo plusJuliet.
She's well cast in this too.
She plays kind of the samecharacter.
She does.
They're letting you sleep intheir bed for free.
So, I mean, there's a quick...

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Stop over at the other twoagents where she's like, oh, you
trimmed your hair.
Your bald head looks sexy,whatever.
And it's like, oh, why are werewarding this behavior?
But it's like I think in 2006,this is our like he's growing.
He's changing.
He knows he was wrong.
And it's like he doesn't.
He isn't.
He is just like literally doingthe absolute bare minimum.
He's trying to make himself morefuckable to her.
And that's it.

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Yeah.
so fuck them we're moving awayfrom them they it's like i'm not
gonna be lying to say it doesn'twork on me that them getting
together feels sweet because thepropaganda of the movie is just
working but like it's just not agreat storyline and it like
blows my mind they get so muchof this movie um that you're
supposed to find it all veryendearing and it's just i'm hard

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pressed but we move to thegondola driver's little abode um
and where his mother lives andthey've gone to bed and mandy
moore has taken a shower andshe's She's entered in their
little honeymoon suite.
They've set up for them, whichis actually just like the
gondola driver's room.
He's delegated to the couch andshe is in a towel.
Let me say, I did not rememberthe towel.

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I did not remember the, like hownaked she gets in this, but
she's like, okay, we kissed onthe gondola.
Now I'm in this towel.
Here's what I hated for her.
He's like, okay, I'm going tosleep on the ground and you can
take the bed.
And she's like, I mean, the bedis huge.
Like, You don't need to sleep onthe ground, which even if he's

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like, OK, I don't think weshould hook up like whatever.
That's all fine.
I hate there's nothing I hatemore than when someone sleeps on
the ground.
It is not an overtly sexualthing for two people to share a
bed.
Grow up.
It is a queen size bed.
Build a fucking pillow fortbetween you like that TikTok
sound or whatever if you haveto.

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But like the idea that someonesleep on the ground, the most
uncomfortable sleeping thing aperson can do.
It's just so silly.
It's so dramatic get in the bedwe could just be having a
conversation about the fact thatmandy more needs to put clothes
on like obviously i don't wantto sleep in this bed with you
when you are butt ass naked yeahthat's the thing he could be
like i'm uncomfortable like i'llwait for you to change or
whatever it makes sense to methat he's like you're the

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president's daughter i'm beingpaid to protect you like oh
totally i'll sleep in betweenyou and the door like i'll sleep
on the floor like that is aboundary that makes sense with
the information that he has hehas yeah no i do but obviously
she's not with the informationshe has but here's what killed
me even if he isn't working forher dad, even if he isn't
secretly Secret Service, Do notget on the floor next to him.

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On the ground.
He lays down on the ground whileshe's in the bed and she gets
out of bed and lays down next tohim on the ground in her towel.
I've never been more mortifiedfor anyone.
I've never been more humiliated.
I literally wrote down, girl,stop hitting yourself in the
face.
Laying down on the ground.

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And it's like he's trying to, Ihate to use the word reject her
because we know he likes her,but he's trying to- buffing her
exit yeah we're buffing her asgracefully as possible and she
is just saying what dignitywhere oh my god when she got on
the ground I was like I mean Iguess it is like she's never it
doesn't have a lot of experienceshe's 18 but like and her stated

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goal is she's trying to fuck Iknow but you just don't come
back from that even if he likesyou like getting on the ground I
just was like you're better thanthis is she like reach she lays
down next to him he's kind oflike what the fuck is happening
she reaches over him again sheis just in a towel she reaches
over him to like spoon him andhe literally springs up because

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he's flustered as fuck he'sfreaking out and he's like you
need to just go to bed and shegoes i thought i was trying to
go to bed and it's like no youdidn't girl like no you didn't
well i mean i don't think no youdidn't i think she means i'm
trying to go to bed meaning thesame way that the gondola driver
was where will you sleep likeyeah she is trying to go to bed

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like i understand why she saidthat like i'm trying to this is
what i want you know and then hegives her this spiel about how
they she needs to get on boardwith the fact that they're just
two people traveling in the samedirection and again i write in
all caps dude you're followingher i mean he's not following
her she has invited him to everysingle step of this trip like
she wants him to be there butthis is the point where after

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this morning after this nightthe next morning she's like we
are not like you something is upwith you you are not into me
fuck you and she trieseverything she can to get away
from him at this point she'sleaving him in the dust but
before they go to bed basicallyhe's like letting her down and
she is like but you kissed me onthe gondola and this is where he

(01:37:17):
pulls out like no I didn't likeyou're crazy like obviously I
was just hiding you from thewaiters and she is like oh so
you like didn't feel anythingand he doesn't know this but I
believe it to be her first kissand here she is like naked
finding out that even that islike a lie like it's
heartbreaking and I think sheplays it really heartbreaking

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this is the best she does yeahshe does really well in this
scene at one point she likedrops the towel and he like
picks up a blanket in betweenthem and she's like really hurt
and confused yeah and shecrashes out after this but
personally like as a rom-comlover this is the kind of scene
that I'm watching the movie forthe like she doesn't know that
he knows that she doesn't knowand he has to act like and it's

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everybody's being torturedeverybody's yearning and
everybody wants to make out shereally will deliver if it's let
me be crushed for a moment onscreen yeah she does a great job
and she climbs in the bed andshe says the absolute worst line
in the entire movie which is uhvirgin safely tucked away and I
was like shut up shut up girl hedid not know that I know and

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like stop giving it giving itall your cards away so they wake
up the next morning they comeout of the room she's pissed the
mom is like you guys were soquiet like what happened and
Mandy Moore honestly is likefully crashing out and she's
like well he finds me repulsiveso whatever the mother gives the
best piece of advice she saysyou want a happy marriage you
gotta kiss her every day everyday cause she wants him to like

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kiss performatively in front ofher yeah It's a fake dating
trope.
You have to kiss performatively.
Honestly, it's so funny and itis so Shakespearean because it's
like he has a...
He's got, he's keeping up aruse.
Like he wants to hook up, right?
But he's keeping up a ruse ofnot wanting to hook up to keep
his job.
But now he has to, in his ruseof not wanting to hook up, have

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to keep up the ruse of wantingto hook up in order to secure
themselves a place to stay atnight.
Like he is just weaving like areally tangled web right now.
He is just weaving like a reallytangled web.
And you know what?
You gotta stop.
He needs to just let the chipsfall where they may.
Fall where they may.
They are both lying though.
I stand by this.

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She's not telling him who sheis.
He's not telling her who he is.
She's just not lying about heremotions.
Yeah.
And she isn't lying about heremotions.
Twice.
Doubly over.
He's lying.
Yes.
Truly.
I actually have to say Weiss andMorales catch up to them and
like you know they're long gonebut they show up at the gondola
driver's house and I totallyforgot the whole we think

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they're married misdirect but Ireally like it.
Secret agents Weiss and Moralesshow photos to the nurse from
Romeo and Juliet the gondoladriver's mom and And she's like,
oh, you mean the married couple?
So now they're like, okay, shit,shit, shit, shit, shit.
You can tell they're kind ofstressed.
And I forgot about it, but Ireally like it.
So at this point, the dad thinksthey're married.
They're not married.

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Dad thinks the mission has beencanceled.
Matthew Goode knows they're notmarried.
Thinks the mission is still on.
Oh, I never put this together.
The president thinks that hisagent went rogue and married his
daughter.
Manny Moore doesn't know any ofthis.
Thinks nobody knows anything.
And then she says a crush on aboy that doesn't like her back.
And she's crashing.

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We've reached the crash outportion of this movie because
now the gondola driver drivesthem across the border to
Austria.
But what, I have to ask, whatthe hell kind of shoes is she
wearing in this scene?
They're stomping across Austriaand it's like clack, clack,
clack.
No, because she is wearing apair of ballet flats and real

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Y2K girlies, the girls that werethere will know.
By the end of this scene, she islimping with and you can tell
she just has like the mother ofall blisters like she is
reaching bone and i was like andyes and did and you would and
it's like there's not even ahalf an inch of heel on those no
no no it is just that like tightcurve of the back of those
plastic ass ballet flats andit's like and we've all been

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there and we've all got scarsyeah for sure she's like don't
talk to me we're in a fight orwhatever and this fucking truck
with a group of like burly menin the back in the bed drives by
because the the gondola driverwas just like i can just get you
over the border and like best ofluck to you so they're on foot
and then to get away frommatthew good she hops in the
back of the bed of this truckwith these guys and i'm like

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you're such an idiot even ifyou're a normie ass bitch are
you stupid two burly guys athird one in the truck you don't
have any money you don't knowwhere they're going This is
fucking scary.
Do not do this.
And I was just like, Mandy, I'mtrying to root for you.
And yet you got on the ground inthat towel.

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And now you've gotten in theback of the tread of this.
And it's just it's you're takingL's left and right.
Like, where is your brain?
So they drive away.
And then here's the sad montage.
This is the part of the moviethat's the sad montage.
They're both walking down thestreet alone.
Truck, the cabbage truck evenlike turns back around, like it
drops her off wherever she'sgoing and it turns back around.

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And Matthew Goode is like, oh,she came back for me.
Yeah.
And then as it passes him, she'snot in the back anymore.
And he's like, oh, fuck.
And like takes off runningliterally on foot.
I mean, he's fucked if he losesher.
As a human person, regardless ofmission, she's in a ton of
danger to get in the back ofthat car.

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And he's very hot because he canrun at full speed for a very
long time, which we love to see.
He finally comes across a kidwho he talks into giving him a
bike.
I don't know what he trades thatkid for his bike.
Stickers.
He gives him a bunch of thestickers.
Oh, that's so cute.
That's so cute.
I love the stickers.
So Mandy Moore comes across abridge in her sad limping.
You know what I mean?

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And people are bungee jumping.
I think you call it base jumpingoff of the bridge this is my
worst nightmare I look so fun inthis movie though I was like I
would do it with Matthew Goodelow-key this scene encapsulates
like exactly what I've beentalking about from the beginning
where it's like it paints Europeas this like medieval fairy tale
land where you're just wanderingaround and running into like

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playground kind friendly bandsof magical people doing fun and
adventurous things and they'lltake you in and that'll be like
a little like side quest foryour whole trip there is a world
where this is a condensedversion of like a big long trip
and you can come across a lot offun things, but probably they
won't invite you to go bracejumping with them for free.

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But as she approaches thebridge, she recognizes someone
on the bridge and the group ofpeople.
Who is it, Jordan?
It's McGruff.
He also is going base jumpingfor free.
She starts to run and she'slike, McGruff, what the fuck?
He's all strapped in.
He's about to jump off thebridge and she's like, what the
hell?
You robbed us.
And he says, I needed it forscratch.
Which I think he means drugs,right?

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I don't know.
but I hate that it's like is hea drug user or not do we need to
know I didn't want to know itcan be a mystery yeah but we
know knowing him how he is it'slike he also just met these
people probably he like camedown from Venice and ran into
them that's actually thefunniest part right is like
she's only like a half a milebehind McGruff on like his
travels I know and it's like ohso like this movie would have

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you believe there's one road inand out no exactly but this is
what I'm saying that it's justlike the whole thing is like
like a playground yeah wherepeople just keep running into
each other yeah he jumps overand this is when matthew good
kind of rolls up on the bikehe's finally been able to catch
up with her thank god againapparently there's only one road
so there'd be no other way tolose her she's like jealous and

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it looks cool and she wants todo it so when matthew good
starts pedaling up she's got theharness wrapped in to go over
herself which again i'm likethis guy fucking robbed you you
don't know these people i knowfirst of all let me posit this
you know for sure you cannottrust that guy not even just
take anything out of it on abase level he betrays yes so

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you're gonna let him and a bunchof people who you know even less
than the guy you know for sureyou can't trust yeah strap you
into a harness to throw you offa bridge i mean get a grip and
this is when matthew goodfinally catches up to her and
comes strolling up on the bike ilive for this jump dude it still
hits so much she's like i'mgoing over and he's like yeah

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well I have to go where you goso he and they kind of have a
jump cut to both of them beingstrapped in and they're facing
each other and like a hot hugand I was like this hits this is
so good and she's like clearlyvery nervous and he's like if
you're so scared why do it andshe's like I have this theory
that the things you're mostafraid of are the most

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worthwhile and then she's likeactually that's not a theory my
dad taught me that I know I loveit it's such a good line because
it does two things right this iswhere we have the the flip where
she's like i'm things are nolonger a theory for me like i'm
testing things out and i'mlearning from them and i am like
learning that i do want to be abrave person and alternatively

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it's the theme of him being likeclosed off people don't do big
gestures it's not worth kind oflike putting yourself out there
and her being like no no like itis that's how you like live a
life that is full and meaningfuland he's like huh i didn't think
of that and they go the fuck offthat bridge together they fall
they choose to fall togetherit's so good and they like

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slow-mo it and he like taps thewater on the way up and it looks
so so fun I was like I've neverI'm not a skydive person it
never has made any sense to mewhy people want to do it I'm not
a jump off shit person thislooks so fun with like your
boyfriend a big hug and a jumpand a leap I love it so much
they come they get cut downloose into the water and they're

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celebrating and they're likethat's so fun and romantic yeah
and then it cuts to that nightnow they're just camping with
this like wild band of bohemianbungee jumpers and like it is so
medieval you're right this islike a fucking episode of game
of thrones where it's like andthen it's like they're all
around a campfire that eveninglike they're inviting them to
eat with them like i guessthey're gonna spend the night

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with them so this is the bestpart of the whole movie because
this is when somebody finallygets a little real they don't
get all the way real but theyget kind of good matthew good
finally gets a little real sothey're at the campfire and
she's like so you don't want tomake out with me but you You
like chased me for hours on footdown a back country road.
Fair fucking point.
And she again is at this placewhere it's like, there's no

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other explanation except thatyou like me.
Which again, yeah.
He still is kind of like, nope,just a worried bystander.
And it's like, this is so lame.
And I actually thought this wasreally like realistic.
The first time I saw it, Ithought it was like, this would
never happen.
Who would ever walk up and dothis?
But then I've like been toEurope and there's one of the

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other guys, base jumper guy.
like walks out I guess hisname's Gus Gus and he has like a
van with an awning and like awhole camping set up he's like
in charge of the yeah bohemianbungee jumpers and honestly Gus
Gus is a nice guy he's lettingthem crash with them for the
night whatever and he's likethey don't appear to be a couple
he walks up to her literallygestures towards his hut and

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looks back at her and winks andis like you up for it and she's
like no and he's like okay andhe's like enjoy your evening
away walks away and I think thefirst time I saw this I was like
my jaws on the ground that's soridiculous it's so silly but
like no it's really not he wasperfectly polite he had a
proposition for her and he wasrespectful of the answer to that

(01:48:47):
proposition and he moves on yeahit's very cute I love that
Matthew Goode is like you're notreally attracted to that walking
out and it's just like a reallyfun little interlude of Matthew
Goode being like really jealousbut this is his like last little
thread of like trying to hold onto what he knows he should do no
it is his last threat ofresistance and she's like okay
fine if you're gonna be thisannoying I'm gonna go talk to

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Gus Gus then and he gets up andhe's like don't do that which
like I think this two things Ididn't remember exactly how this
went down so I was reallysurprised that this moves into
his like big confession that hewould be jealous of Gus Gus and
like he can't stop thinkingabout her because it's also true
that if he delivers back thepresident's daughter no longer a
virgin and she lost it to a guynamed Gus Gus in Austria he's

(01:49:30):
also in very serious trouble forthat and maybe the president
would never know that but when Iwas watching watching it just
from everything else that hadhappened in the movie I did
think that was his motivationlike the same way I can't let
you get defiled by the two guysin the back of the truck I can't
let you go off with Gus Gus butActually, Jordan, that's not his
motivation.

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No, Connor, he actually says oneof the most romantic lines.
I just want to like go throughit with you.
Go, go through it.
Basically, he chases her downand he's like, the thought of
you with Gus Gus makes me likewant to lose my mind.
The thought of you with anybodymakes me want to lose my mind.
She's like, oh my God, it'shappening.
And he says, the truth is,before I met you, I was

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determined to live my life as asolitary adventure.
But ever since I met you, thoseterms seem mutually exclusive.
Meaning you can be solitary oryou can treat life as an
adventure.
And I was like, that's soromantic.
And it like aligns perfectlywith her earlier comment of like

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the things that are the most,that scare you the most or the
most worthwhile.
Finally, finally.
And she's like, oh, thank Godthat time I crawled down on the
floor next to you and that toweldidn't turn you off.
Thank God.
But it's like, again, even inthis moment, I know he really
likes her.
I know it's honest, but a smallpart of me was like, is this his
spiel to keep her away fromsomething dangerous?

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And the answer is no, because hekisses her and then the phone
his phone rings which he likefinally got to work while he was
running through Austria andshe's like oh she's honestly not
even impressed she's like oh youneed to like take a phone call
and he throws the phone into thewater and I was like okay now we
know we're breaking the rule nowwe really are a man who has

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taken the president's daughterand fallen in love with her and
I think I'm glad they did it I'mglad they did it because I
needed it because I did like Isaid I had that small thing
where I was like is he justsaying anything it takes and
he's desperate now when he threwthat phone I didn't see it
coming like I just didn'tbecause he's acting to some
degree in this entire movieexcept in the moments when he's
talking to Weiss and Morales soyou're not really sure what he

(01:51:39):
means until he throws the phoneand he still isn't telling her
the full truth he's just beinghonest about his feelings but he
throws the phone to let you theaudience know that he has fully
said go fuck my job it's realyeah and I was like damn he did
that and this is theconversation we need to have
about whether they did it theydid it yeah they did it she's
naked under the sheets she's inhis underwear he's got his

(01:51:59):
boxers on it's the phone nextmorning and I love that he
crawls out in his underwear toactually go find the phone I do
think that there is a factionthat could argue that he always
knew he was going to go find thephone but I like to think the
next day he was like okay shitnow with this in the light of
day like I need to kind of likefigure out the situation and
he's and also it's like he doescare about her and he cares

(01:52:21):
about the people that care abouther and he does not want someone
to think she's unsafe so he doesgo call Weiss and Morales and
he's like listen I've got herit's fine and this is where they
tell him that he actually wasnot supposed to go anywhere with
her since Prague and he's likelike oh I had no idea yeah again
it's like what does that matterif it wasn't communicated to him

(01:52:41):
then like okay you guys didn'ttell me I didn't know that so I
was on the same mission as Iknew it no he got hired for a
job and the job has beencancelled he's not getting paid
he's actually deeply in troublewith the American president like
this has become a shit show andhe thinks all along he's doing
what he's being paid to do butWeiss and Morales are who boffed
it.
Weiss and Morales gotinstructions that they didn't

(01:53:02):
carry out, not Matthew Goode.
They are also followinginstructions.
They've like lost contact withhim.
Right.
They lost contact.
But it is like the first timethat he is learning that he has
been going against thepresident's wishes this whole
time.
And instead of being like, oh,fuck, he's like, well, in for a
penny, in for a pound.
That's my girl now.
And you can find us in Berlin.
Yeah, I'm going to Berlin.

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Deal with it.
But so he walks back to the bedthe sleeping bag she's naked
they did it it's confirmed theyjust want to stare into each
other's eyes a little bit beforethey go to the love parade we
also find out that she's likeMcGruff like you're on the outs
with me like fuck you I can'tbelieve you stole our money and
McGruff tells the story that heneeded the money because he's

(01:53:43):
been searching all over Europefor a girl that he locked eyes
with at a party and like he's inlove like it's a mythical love
and he's gotta find her so heneeded to take their money in um
like pursuit of true love andfrankly this completely works on
Mandy Moore she's like okay Iforgive you for everything and I

(01:54:06):
trust you with my life again Imean Matthew Good makes fun of
her too he's like you would likeyou would hug him right now all
over again wouldn't you andshe's like sorry I can't help it
and I'm like whatever she'snaive she's a kid let her
believe there's good in theworld before she finds out the
truth very soon later today butthen it's like they get to
Berlin quick huh they're goingto the love parade it's an EDM
festival which I love how theyjust don't really mention in

(01:54:27):
this movie because it'sembarrassing to like EDM that's
right I said it but there arepride flags all over the parade
so happy pride you guys happypride yeah it's it's July now
when you're hearing this butyou're reading this but when
we're recording it when we'rerecording it it's pride yeah and
the song like you're free whatyou want to do is playing and
it's so fun it looks like themost fun parade you've ever been

(01:54:50):
in at your life and sheimmediately runs up on her
friend Gabby and it's like inwhat world Are you ever finding
her?
Especially before find myfriends or cell phones or
whatever.
You don't even have a cellphone.
But she's like, oh my God,you're glowing.
Is it sex?
And she shakes her head, nope.
it's love and points to him andthat I think is also when me and

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Jay were like okay so do theynot fuck but we are sticking
with that what she means is it'snot the sex making her glow it's
the love but they did fuck I waswatching it and I was like you
haven't seen your friend in daysshe's like what's going on with
you like give me the update andyour update is you point across
the love parade at Matthew Goodestanding there with his arm up

(01:55:33):
on the phone like the flex ofthat you don't know what's going
on with me girl and what's goingon with me is I found Matthew
Goode and he's in love with me Ibagged Matthew Goode he did like
grump around and stop around for48 hours before he admitted it
and that's inexplicable but wegot him now girl we got him
Gabby meets McGruff who's withthem and he's like starstruck by

(01:55:55):
the beauty of Gabby then he'slike oh my god she's so gorgeous
and Gabby's like who me who getsthis for sure all the time and
of course Mandy Moore does thisbit about like what about the
girl you in love with that youwere following all over Europe
and it's like Mandy Moore he'slying he's lying to you to get
off the hook he's lying to youso that you're not mad at him
he's lying to you so that he'sin another position to steal
from you get with it and whywould you then leave your friend

(01:56:19):
alone with him I would like itbetter if he was like Like this
is her.
Like I met her.
It's like this girl is the girlthat I've been looking for.
I would have liked it too.
That would have been like a cuteand it honestly would have
worked more with the themes ofthe movie.
Missed opportunity.
Definitely missed opportunity.
McGruff introduces himself toGabrielle and she's like, hi,
like I'm Gabrielle.

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And he says to her, I know howto make a woman feel like she's
wearing laundry fresh out thedryer.
Which I love.
He's always like just left oftruly crude.
Like I can't.
can't tell you how much have youever made slow love on a high
speed train doesn't offend mebut so while they're having
their little moment mandymoore's like i'm gonna go find

(01:57:01):
my man he is this is thevisceral memory we all have and
i think it's part of why thismovie is so much more successful
than first daughter because yeahthe way that this happens is
where you don't know she'slearning until she's already
learned is so good he's likeokay here yeah I'm gonna finish

(01:57:21):
up here and in an hour I'll meetyou at a drop point and you can
do you can have her back likewhatever and then he looks up
and she's behind the payphoneand she's like what the fuck let
me tell you something that neveroccurred me until this watch I
think she's realizing in thismoment that he's secret service
that she's had an agent with herthe whole time and that her dad

(01:57:43):
lied to her but that's not clearfrom what he says it never
occurred to me before that shethinks she's being kidnapped
she's literally like what allshe hears is him be like yeah
yeah I've got her I know exactlywhere she is we're gonna enjoy
this I'll meet you at the droppoint yeah she looks terrified
and it changes the whole scenefor me completely she says to

(01:58:05):
him who are you yeah exactlyit's terrifying it's really
effective and scary but I can'tdecide if I would rather he said
something about the the SecretService or the president so that
it was clear that the betrayalis like more clear.
Like the fact that she's justterrified of him for a few
months, I think I enjoyed less.
I think it's really effectiveand it's like I would hear the

(01:58:27):
argument that like it's tooserious for how not that serious
this movie is.
Like I hear that it is a veryheavy thing.
I do think it's heavy and it'sonly for a split second so I
don't think it's too heavy forthe movie.
I think it's effective that it'sscary.
I just think I want the emotionthat we're getting from her as
the audience to know that it'sabout the betrayal of him and

(01:58:50):
not multiple things, which isI'm terrified for my life.
I don't know what's going tohappen to me.
And I'm betrayed by him.
Like, I wish it got its ownmoment.
You know, I like it the way itis.
I feel like it's effective thatshe is scared in this moment and
she doesn't know what's going onbecause there have been several
times in this movie already thatwe've all pointed out where it
was like, bitch, I can't believeyou got in the back of that
cabbage truck.

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Like, this is dangerous.
That's a good point.
And we're Like a reckoning withher for a moment.
While she's on this journey ofdoing things for the first time
and trying to embrace fear inorder to live a worthwhile life,
this is the other side of thatin a way that I do think adds a

(01:59:30):
good amount of gravity to themovie and the message of the
movie where it's like, you couldget hurt.
It is dangerous what you'redoing.
And you should do it, obviouslynot some of the things she does,
but in terms of embracing lifelike you should do it anyways
because it is worth it but therewill be downsides and this is
that moment kind of likeencapsulated and she is

(01:59:53):
ultimately fine you know what Imean like yeah she is just a
secret service member but shedoes knee him in the balls and
run in the opposite directionwhich I think is the only like
response yeah it is the onlyresponse he is like running
after her trying to explain andhe's like I'm not just like a
crazy person like I'm secretservice he is like got kind of
that manic energy of likefreaking out that she's gonna
walk away from him again becauselike now his his heart is on the

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line too.
And she's scared of him now.
She's scared of him.
And that feels terrible.
But she does then immediatelyfind out that he is Secret
Service.
And she runs off.
She's like, I don't care.
I don't believe you.
Like, whatever.
She runs off in the otherdirection.
And then she's swarmed by peoplewho are being aggressive with
her.
They push her to the ground.
They're making very lewdcomments.

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This is something that onlyhappens in movies.
It's like, it's again, themedieval thing.
I do think it's veryShakespearean.
The like leering jesters whocome out of the shadows and like
Circle her.
It's so silly.
And I do think it's effective,though, because it's like this
is the underlying fear of everywoman traveling alone is that
you're going to find yourself ina situation surrounded by people

(02:00:55):
who mean you like a veryspecific kind of harm.
Totally.
From this, he starts punchingpeople out.
He picks her up and he's alreadycalled a helicopter and he
delivers her to safety.
And he yells that as he as ashe's body checking while the
helicopter takes off.
He's literally like, you're safenow, like it's okay it is a sad

(02:01:15):
moment where the other secretservice officers like stop him
from getting to her like he'sgonna follow her on to the
helicopter and they're like noand it's like a realization sort
of for him as he's like beentraveling with her um but so
she's back on the pj she's onair force one and i was like i
just can't it's hard to like iknow it's a sad montage they do
sad montage number two here butit's like she is on her pj being

(02:01:37):
like fed ice chips by her momunder a mink blanket and i'm
just like okay it's all goodthough basically now we're just
in like a sad montage whereshe's like at Harvard oh my god
Jay let's just talk about thewhole back of this movie they
did this so wrong here's whatyou do cut to black and write
one year later like the way thatthere's 30 minutes of this movie

(02:02:00):
of like in the spring she goesto Harvard here's a scene in the
spring in the winter she goeshome for winter break here's a
scene in the it's like there's awhole back half of this movie
that's just her living life fora year that we just didn't need
like it can be like she's sadfor a while and she gets a
letter she's sad for a while andthen she's reminded of a photo
of how happy they were togetheror something it's so it's just

(02:02:22):
wasted time to me I'm with youwe could have skipped time I
like that it takes a certainamount of time for her to get
over it because I do think it'sa like wild amount of betrayal
like you would not immediatelybe over it and I like the thing
that does get her ass movingagain is at Harvard she sees one
of the million dollar manstickers and it's the perfect

(02:02:42):
way back in it's So great.
I know.
And it's like, okay, you'reright.
That was worth it.
Thank God.
If they hadn't done it, likewhat an insane waste of that
whole spiel.
I literally love the spiel hedoes on the train about the
stickers and about community andthe fact that it's full circle
here.
You're right.
It is effective and it is worthit to see her.
I mean, Weiss and Morales arelike a couple now and they're

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assigned to her at Harvard.
I hate all that.
I can't even speak about it.
They have her like readingbridal magazines while she's in
the Harvard library and I waslike, I would rather die than
see this woman subjected tothis.
So then...
the scene during winter break Ido think is a huge waste of time
like the dad being like hey didyou ever think about that Oxford
program and it's like what likeit's just so heavy handed and
clunky the only reason he bringsthat up is because Matthew Goode

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has quit the service and movedto London and he's trying to
figure out if she has anyinterest in knowing that
information and it turns outafter she sees the million
dollar man sticker she does havean interest in knowing that
information because she studiesabroad at Oxford and she goes to
find him in London so when shedoes go to London eventually

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after learning that he's quitthe Secret Service because
obviously this had a huge impacton him as well she shows up
because he's no longer in theSecret Service he is working as
a photographer at the opera thething that they both love so she
walks in and immediately someonerecognizes her and is like
that's the president's daughterthat's the president's daughter
and it makes its way all the wayaround the theater until you see

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him in front of the stage andsomebody whispers oh my god the
president daughter just walkedin and of course that means
something different to him thanit did to everybody else in the
theater and he immediately looksup and turns around and she's
walking up to him she's likehe's like what are you doing and
she says I'm making the biggesture and it's very sweet and

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they kiss Jay I have such atangent here I think they did it
wrong I don't understand andcannot believe that it's not him
saying I'm making the biggesture he's the one she
believes betrayed him he's theone that was lying he's the one
that quit his job for her soit's literally mirrored to the
story he told about his dad he'sthe one that is like that he

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does have some penance sort ofto pay here and the idea that
she's like I thought about itfor a year and I actually got
over it and I came to tell you Igot over it to me isn't as
effective as him going I didn'tthink used to think people made
the big gesture I always thoughtmy parents didn't get together
because my dad wouldn't give uphis job for my mom here i am i
have the choice let me make thisup to you by making the big

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gesture it's an excellent linedon't get me wrong i love
everything about the line whatare you doing i'm making the big
gesture huge excellent cryinglove it i just think it comes
out of the wrong character'smouth i think we needed him
making it up to her to be thebig resolution or at least him
making it clear this is how fari'm willing to go for you this
is how far i wasn't lying thisis how far it wasn't a joke to

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me and at the end for him to donone of that never see her again
and her to go find him to meit's getting on the floor in the
towel again i just disagree ifeel like that's why we have the
conversation with the dad in thewhite house where he tells her
that he's quit the force that hei guess like that's his you know
found something was moreimportant yeah like the dad has

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the conversation with her andshe says you know and all that i
learned on that trip was whatyou were always trying to tell
me which is that people can't betrusted and the dad says i never
wanted you to learn that lessonand then she goes home she goes
back to Harvard and she sees thesticker and all of this is a
like impetus for her to be likewhat happened was real and the
most important thing is that Iwant to be the kind of person

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who lives the brave life that Iwant for myself so I need to
like go find him and I wasscared out of it for a second
but ultimately what I got out ofthis trip is that leading with
that kind of energy does pay offyeah so she goes which it's her
coming of age story you knowwhat I mean I guess I'm
disappointed that she just likethinks about it for a year and
then decides like I know it'sthe information from the dad all

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that shit it would have been socool for him to show up and be
like let me prove to you howmuch I wasn't a lie and it kind
of gets it by quitting his jobit's fine I would have loved I'm
making the big gesture from himI also like maybe this is just
the like millennial girl bossyshit I was like raised in but
it's like I like when the girlme too makes the gesture at the

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end like of a rom-com like thislike we're so used to it being
the the guy's decision that itmakes me like the Matthew Goode
character more that he likereally let it be like she comes
to him decision I'm not mad atthat take like I I see what you
mean but I guess I still feel heowes her a little more than he
gave we ended on a really cutecallback where he is like okay

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sweet and then he goes so uh yougot like a little bit of a thing
for me don't you which is ofcourse what she said to him on
the train yeah and she goes nono I got a big thing for you And
it ends on a kiss.
Oh, actually, it ends on themmopedding into the sunset.
Actually, I did have one thoughthere, which I know is like so
silly and like suspend yourdisbelief.
But like no world where he'sstill single.

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It's a year later.
Connor, he's in love with her.
I know.
But I was just like, oh, girl,you are so lucky you showed up.
And he isn't like, come on, likeon the market.
Like, come on.
OK, so I'm going to give this awatchability of like an A seven
maybe Like a seven Or an eightLike a high Like a high seven
Like not a Not a like bad sevenLike I think it's a seven I

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think she's the she's the bestshe is so i'm gonna give her i
have to say an underrated ashleyscore of seven i'm gonna say
seven oh wow connor look at youwow i'm really proud i don't
think her 10 is ashley's 10 buti think if we're looking at the

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mandy more underrated ashley ido want to root for her you guys
i do love her and i think shedid well in this she did she did
a mandy more well she did good iam I'm going to give it a solid
eight.
I think this movie, I knew Iloved this movie.
I think on this rewatch, Ididn't realize the little things
they were doing that I do thinkmakes it literally a quality

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movie.
I think it's the best MandyMoore movie we've watched so
far.
And I think that that alsotranslates into her underrated
Ashley scoring, which I am alsogoing to give a seven because I
think she's getting better everymovie.
I think she's not...
at Amanda Bynes caliber.
Like it's a different score fora reason, but this is the best

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we've seen her.
And I really do think she'senjoyable in this movie.
She's cute.
She's personable.
I believe everything she's goingthrough.
I think this is the most anindividual character.
that we've seen her play so far.
And I enjoyed the shit out ofit.
So come back next week becausewe have our 50th episode next

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week.
Right, Jay?
Yeah, absolutely, you guys.
50, if you can even believe it.
So it's no movie.
We're going to take a break frommovies, although we will be
coming back with Hairspray afterour special 50th episode.
But we are super excited.
We can't believe we've made itthrough 50 episodes.
We can't believe you guyslistened to us.
Yap, yap, yap, yap, yap.
We would do it whether you werehere or not, but we'd so much
rather do it with you here.

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We'll catch you for the specialepisode next time.
Chasing Liberty was directed byAndy Kadiff and written by Derek

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