3 Guys Before The Game - Ross Hodge Visits (Episode 644) - 3 Guys Before The Game

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Showtime in the Big City. Welcome in everyone. Yes, it's
time for three Guys Before the Game. It's interesting, It
really is interesting how the basketball gods work things outs. Then, well,
here's the deal. Our special guest on this episode of
Three Guys Before the Game is Mountaineer basketball coach Ross Hodge.

(00:29):
Do you know what episode number this is?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
No, No, we have no idea. No I don't. I'm
surprised you do.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Six hundred and forty four. If there ever was a
number associated with Mountaineer basketball more than forty four, well
there isn't.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's pretty that's pretty good. Yeah, that just come to you.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Hey, when I was writing it down. When I've write
down episode, I said, forty four. That's it.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I don't know it's six forty four. It's not forty four,
it's six four.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Just go with it. See Debbie Downer over there.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Why didn't you just go with this? That was one
of his better setups.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Ross in advance will apologize for hoppy. He'll do that
throughout the course of the show. Just tries to stomp
down any fun and frivolity, jocularity, levity.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
And you have some questions for coach, I'm sure you do.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Did you bring you a little legal pado? He's got
his little legal pad. Last time he took that legal
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All right, let's do this thing. Man. We've been waiting patiently,
and we had to wait to get Ross in here

(02:39):
because it's kind of like if we would have gotten
him in earlier, it would kind of be like a
chef that you said, chef, what are you making for
us to eat? And he would go, I don't know,
I don't have any of the ingredients yet. So we
had to wait for Ross and his staff to go
get the ingredients. And now we have a roster. Maybe

(03:03):
one more name by the time it's all done, but
for the most part, we've got the roster. Practice is
going on and a lot of stuff that we're going
to get into. So first off, appreciate your time.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, glad to be here with you guys.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Good to have you.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
You know, when you look at a calendar and it's
July the seventh, I don't think I would have ever
thought i'd say this, but you just had practice this play.
Can you remember, like October fifteen used to be Christmas
Day for basketball it was. And now you guys just
like it's like a convenience. You're like Gomart, You're open
all the time. You just like practice all the time

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and full go real practices.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
I mean even when I first started coaching at the
collegiate level, I guess I joined the Division one ranks
in two thousand and twelve, eleven twelve, And even then
you couldn't you couldn't practice with your team. They could
work out with the strength coach and then they could
play pick up and do things like that on their own.

(04:03):
But but it wasn't And then they went to, well
you could do four man groups, then you could do
you know, you could do a certain amount of.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Stuff with with a ball without a ball.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
And then finally they just kind of ripped the ball
with a.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Ball without a ball out there. You can't have a ball.
That's like the no jam on your bagel.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, some really creative creative you saw you know, t
shirts wadded tightly taped up, but it wasn't a ball,
you know, and and and yeah, now you get your
you get eight hours a week, you get four hours
on the floor and then you get four hours in
the weight room.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
The way that the game has changed, and you're literally
making so many roster movements, I would be afraid if
you didn't have those opportunities that now exist if you
had to start with your new dudes on October fifteenth, Like,
it'd be lucky if you were able to do the
layup line by the time the season started.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Yeah, you'd be spending the first October fifteenth just introducing
everybody to everybody.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
And yeah, it's definitely a benefit.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
And there's been some talk that they talked a little
bit about it at the Big Twelve meetings about even
adding some more time in the summer for that very reason,
you know, because you are getting twofold, you're getting brand
new teams, and then with some of the benefits that
student athletes are able to you know have nowadays with

(05:31):
nil and financial it's like, well, maybe they should be.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Doing more than just four hours a week on the court.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, if you're going to pay them, Yeah sure, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
So you mentioned the Big Twelve meetings, So that's really
the only time all year where the Big twelve coaches
are together and they're actually having time just to talk
about stuff, because if you go to media day, you
guys don't, right. So like for you, when you go
into that big twelve media or big twelve coaches sit
down meeting for the first time, I would imagine it's

(06:02):
kind of a little bit like a kid first day
at school, Like everyone else knows each other, but you're
like the new kid coming in. Like so when you
walked in and self sitting there and Calvin Samson like,
did you look at Samson? Go what's suck?

Speaker 4 (06:17):
I did not do that. I said, what's up, coach?
How are you?

Speaker 5 (06:21):
But no, So, you know, being a junior college head
coach for five years and having uh the you know,
the good fortune of having really good players, a lot
of those guys had recruited our players or had been
in in in you know, my gym before, and so

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I didn't didn't know everybody in there, but I'd say
sixty five seventy percent of of you knew them pretty well.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Uh some more than others.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
But so it wasn't you know, it wasn't like you're
really walking into a room where you don't you've only
seen these people on TV and you've never had conversations
with any of them at right, right.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, So Samson is a guy that I know you
think a lot about because he guards the way that
you like to guard, the way you want to guard,
and in the constant looking at scoring statistics, that's where
you want to be.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
Yeah, we've I think if you look over the last
five years, maybe maybe six five years scoring defense, Houston
you know was number one, and we had been you know,
number two at North Texas two of the year. Two
of those years we led the country in scoring defense,
and I think twenty and twenty two and then in

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twenty three we led that And so yeah, I have
a ton of ton of respect, you know for the
way they do things, the way he runs a program,
the consistency and really all facets of what they've been
able to do retaining their better players, which is a
big deal in today's era. And he has that good

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balance of you know, holds them accountable, coaches them really hard,
but then also you know, loves on them at the
same time where they want to stay in that environment
and they get better.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Let's talk philosophy for a second. How did you land
on this defense?

Speaker 4 (08:19):
First?

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Philosophy, there's a lot of different ways to win basketball games.
How'd you land on the defense side?

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Yeah, I think some of it is just the coaches
that I played for in high school. Leonard Bishop was
a really good high school coach. He was from Missouri
and played at Three Rivers, played for gene Bess and
then so he kind of had that tilt to him

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as well, and he actually ended up leaving. I played
at Segeville High School, which is in Dallas, and he
left Segeville and then went to Dallas Lincoln High School
and won a national championship there.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
He was forty and oh coach Chris.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
Bosh Oh yeah, And so that was also my first,
my first enlightening moment of how important players are, because
because we were running the same offense in the same defense,
and we were going like twenty and twelve, twenty and ten.
And then he went and coached, you know, a Hall
of Famer NBA player and they went forty and oh

(09:22):
and then same way with you know, then went and
played junior college coach for junior college basketball for a
guy named Bill Foy, who I.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Ended up working for as well. And he was an
Indiana guy.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
He was graduated from the University of Indiana, so the
Bob Knight influence was there with him, and you know,
he won a national championship there at Paris Junior College.
And then same way with the guy that I played
for and at Division two level, Sam Walker, who's the
all time winning His coach at the University of was
Texas A and M Commerce at the time, and it

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was a Division two school. Now it's East Texas A
and M, and they're actually a Division I school in
the Southland. So some of it was the background of
the guys that I played for. Some of it was,
you know, not being the most athletically gifted runner, jumper,
vertical athlete, and so if I was gonna get on

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the floor, I had to be able to execute what
coaches wanted to do and with the level of like
toughness and edge to it wasn't just gonna you know,
make up for any sort of mistakes with raw athleticism.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
So you so you guarded personally, yeah, out there occasionally
with slidels, your lateral movements pretty good.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
It'd be very careful nowadays that you don't pop any
hammies or any any achilles. It's you you can you
can You can always spot about four or five people
when you go recruit in the summer and they're on
the scooter and you're like, yeah, y'all were playing noon
basketball and I'm not doing that.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
You're smart.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
You're doing short bursts.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, very that's what it takes. One short burst.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
No, I mean like little he's not he's not trying
to go to the basket on it and just change
the directions.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
A couple of slides.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
As long as you know where you're going, you're good.
It's when you have to change direction that that people.
But and then so yeah, there's just kind of a
little bit of personality, a little bit of of you know,
just what I grew up in, and then figuring out
ways to win basketball games, which I still believe ultimately,

(11:18):
like that's going to give you the best chance to
win night in, night out if you're committed to the
defensive of the floor.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Coach if.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Legal pad now here it starts, this is.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
Not this coach that I am misrepresented by these guys.
Well that's fair, Okay, So what percent of defensive excellence?
What percent is technique and what percent is effort?

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Uh, it's a good, good question.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
You can't Technique is important, Positioning is important, Trusting your
teammates is important. But if you're not going to play
with a certain amount of effort, then it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
You can have the.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Best schemes, you can have the best techniques, you can
have the best fundamentals, but if that isn't syncd up
with you know, just want to and willingness.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
To play really really hard.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Then I don't I think you're always going to be
a little short on that end of the floor.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
So and the guys that you've recruited, the guys you've
brought in, do you know already that they have you've
seen their effort, or do you see guys and say, well,
I can get more out of them.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Yeah, I think you know a couple of things.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
So not to take away from you know, what we've
been good at, which is obviously we've been elite at
the defensive end of the floor. But basketball, unlike a football,
you don't you don't run a defense on the floor
and pull your offense off the floor. So it goes

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hand in hand. And I know sometimes you know, I
would rather recruit a good offensive player banking on the
fact that their care factor is high enough they want
to win at a high enough level, and then you
can convince them that we.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Have to play this way to win.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
It's a lot easier, in my opinion, to get a
really good offensive player to guard than it is to
take a really good defensive player that maybe doesn't have
offensive skill, and now you're trying to inject that into
them at this stage of their career. A little bit
late for that, right, Probably probably not the guys can't
get better and improve on certain things. But if you're
trying to, you know, those guys that they've been playing

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for a long time, and so the guys that the
guys that their ball goes in the basket, that ball
has been going in the basket for a long long time.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
So just one other fun up on that.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
So, so what do you say, you're already coaching these guys,
So what do you do with a player that you
don't think you're getting what you need yet?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Defensively? How do you coach that guy up?

Speaker 5 (13:53):
Well, I think now there's so much learning that's that's
being that's being introduced, and so you know, you kind
of have to ask yourself, you know, is it.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Is it an effort deal or is it a lack
of understanding.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
It's kind of hard to hold somebody accountable to something
that they don't know what's going on, you know. And
so I think once they get a baseline understanding of
what they're supposed to be doing and how they're supposed
to be doing it and how we want it done,
then that's where you kick in the accountability piece. And
that can come in a lot of a lot of
shapes and forms. And you know, sometimes it's just running

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or push ups or you know, when you don't when
you're not as confined from a time standpoint, you know,
maybe it is just like you were going to be
in this specific drill segment for as long as it
takes and you're not getting out of it until you
do what we ask you to do, you know. And
then and then you're reinforcing that with obviously have a

(14:52):
great staff, and you're reinforcing that with film and they're
coming back. You have so much technology at your posal
nowadays that also helps. I mean, we have real time
we have we have, you know, real time ability to
go from the practice floor to a monitor during practice,

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and you get that a lot, you know, like you'll
tell a guy he's not in a stance. He may
think he is in a stance, and then you can
go over there and like, well, let's go look at it,
and then you can show him and then they can
clearly see like, oh, I'm not in a stance.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Stay on that for a second, because I think that's interesting.
I don't know that I've seen that over the over
the last few years. But you do that, You'll pull
a guy off the practice for a walk right over
to the monitor, go through it, back up the tape,
and put it in right on the moment. That's a
huge advantage and a huge advantage. You're doing it in July,
not November.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
Yeah, it's again we you know, we've got great guys.
They want to be coached. They let us coach hard.
But you know it is I mean all of us,
like sometimes you may have thought you did something, or
you maybe thought you were cause you're talking, you know,
a foot positioning, and maybe they're two feet from where
they're supposed to be and in their mind they think

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they're there, and so to be able just to reinforce
it right away helps everybody.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
I'm fascinated by the intangible process of taking a player
to a level that they don't even know that they
can achieve, and that's what you're trying to do. You know.
Mike Crutchfield is the coach at Nova Southeastern down in Florida,
and he's Clarksburg guy and an unbelievable success. But when

(16:28):
we had him on recently after he won his last
title here in March, he said that the whole journey
is to make those guys who think they're playing at
one hundred percent, to show them they aren't, and then
to get them there. So that's when I'm watching you
guys in practice right now, I see that's what you're
trying to do, to take them to a place where
they don't even know exists yet. What's the magic in

(16:51):
doing that? Because obviously you've had success in doing it
because of the stats that you've put together.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
I think I think a big part of that And
it'll probably come back to a lot of any questions
as far as you know that you're you're knocking to
a lot of that out in the recruiting process itself,
and you know you're doing your research, you're finding out
like okay, like will these players allow us to push

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them out of their comfort zone? What is actually in
their in their heart. Do they want to be great?
Do they want to be coached? Do they allow you
to coach them?

Speaker 3 (17:25):
You know?

Speaker 5 (17:26):
And so I think that's kind of one of the
best gifts, you know, that players can give coaches is
like legitimately what you just talked about, like, are you
going to let us push you past the point of
where you're comfortable? And if if there's kind of like
a you know, there's a proverb that says like, you know,
when a when a student is ready, a teacher will appear,

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you know, And and a lot of that is true,
you know, if a players I've always said, I've never
I've never coached a player.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
That didn't get get it, that that wanted to get it.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Now, you've had some guys they didn't really want to
they didn't want to do what you were asking them
to do, you know, and so they were never going
to get it. But the guys that really want to
get it, that want to be great, that want to
be great players, once they realized that you also take
you know, you care about them as a person, and
they'll they'll they'll let you coach them, you know. But

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a lot of that is done in the recruiting process.
You got to recruit guys that let you coach them.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
So as you make your way here, you know that
Brennan Laurient and Jasper Floyd are those guys that will
allow you to do that and say, Okay, you're coming. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
I mean we coached both those guys really really hard,
you know, and and that was part of the growth
I thought you saw in you know, be Low.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Brennan's journey from you.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Know, kind of a reserve player at Florida Atlantic, very
good team, you know, to a to a first team
All League player in the American And that doesn't happen
unless unless a player is going to allow you to
tell them the truth and then coach them to that truth,
you know. And both those guys have that heart and
they've allowed us to do that, and they've continued to

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get better even through this process.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
Okay, I could hear you back there breathing on my
next coach. A couple of quotes from you. You said,
if you're going to win the Big Twelve, you have
to be one of the best defensive teams in the country.
We plan to be one of the best defensive teams
in the country in the Big twelve, which makes you
one of the best in the country. You also said,
if you're going to win on the road, you better

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be tough, you better be physical, you better be.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Able to defense.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
So we're goin along this defensive theme is that on
the road in this league, there are places where you
don't always get a whistle. And I'm not going to
mention any names, Kansas, but so what is your bench
approach to that, because look, there are times when you
just you just don't get the whistle, especially if you're
playing physical.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
On the road.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think you can ever go into.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Go into any sort of hostile environment and think, you
know that if it's a fifty to fifty call, that it's.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Probably gonna go your way.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
You know, that would be kind of foolish to think
that way, honestly. And so you know, because officials are
they're doing the best they can. They're they're human beings too,
so to act like that there may not be some
level of influence when you're in a in an opposing
arena with twenty thousand people, and so you know, you
just kind of have to you have to be mentally

(20:30):
prepared when you're going in those environments, you know, And
like I tell our guys, if you're gonna if you're
on the road and you're gonna go in there and
you're gonna get the ball knocked out of your hands.
Even if you are fouled a little bit and you
you think you're gonna get the foul call, then you're
you're not going in there with the right mindset.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
You know.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
My kind of my humble opinion has been, if you
go in there and you're tough enough to play through
the contact and you hold onto the ball, you get
foul calls. You know, you get the ball knocked out
of your hands. I don't care how much hand they
get or all like you're just and you're flailing and
flopping and like you're not you're not getting those calls
on the road, you know. And so you got to
be able to play play through it, and you got

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to be able to stay together, and you know there's
going to be ebbs and flows in all basketball.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Is what is your what is your go to with
the officials?

Speaker 6 (21:16):
If you don't, if you truly think you're not getting
the whistle you should be getting.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Beyond what you said that yeah, I mean probably just.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Probably just tell them, you know, like you just said,
just like, you know, communicate with him. You know, I'm
not I'm not the type of guy that's just gonna
sit there.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
And badger them for forty minutes.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
You know.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
I'd rather, like anything, I'd rather have some teeth behind
it that if I am saying something to it that
they know and they know, like, man, we've had this
guy a lot. He's not over here just complaining and
crying about every foul call, like we we probably did
miss that one if he's saying we missed it, because
I think that's what you would like to establish.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
You know, what's your average technical files per season?

Speaker 5 (22:01):
I've only I've only gotten two technical fouls and they
were both when I was an assistant.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Oh, I haven't gotten I haven't got a deserved. One
was one.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
Hundred percent not deserved. One was one hundred percent deserved.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
That what's not deserved?

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Somebody it was with, it was it was in, we
were it was in.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
It was during COVID And so you're playing in these
you're playing so yeah, so we're we're we're playing latech
in Denton, and you know there's nobody in there but
the cardboards and maybe five hundred other people, and I
was just yelling for like a three second call, but

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it was it was probably loud, and it was probably
more than you know, twenty times. But uh, Kevin mathis
who I like. He's a good he's a good official.
He gave it to me, And at halftime, I was like,
that's I just want to like, do you gave me
a technical foul for yelling three seconds? And then the
other one? Yeah, the other one I probably deserved, but

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I haven't got one as.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
A head coach yet.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
The okay, the one, the other one that you probably
deserved is that official work in the Big twelve?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
No, okay, No, let's tuck players for a second. A
couple of guys we've had on this podcast on or
Huff Tracey Eagle staff, So they're kind of guys that
you were just talking about, right, Elite scorers have been
elite scorers at their previous stops. You're asking them to
probably play a little more defense than they've had do before.
What have you seen from those two particularly.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
Same just a you know, a super willingness two players
that basketball is really important to them. They want to
be great, and and uh, so they've they've really opened
themselves up to allowing us to push them past their
comfort zones.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
You know.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
And so uh you know, legs may be a little
short on some jump shots at the moment, hitting the
front of room, getting their legs under them, but they've
they've both traded really hard. And they're both tremendous people
and tremendous teammates. You know, they really care about their teammates.
They really have a heart for, you know, other people,
And like I said, if if that's the combination, those

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type of personalities will usually allow you to push them
past the point of what they've been doing.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
So, and those guys can both really shoot it. I
mean you've seen evidence of this. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
they can. They can really they can shoot it with
the best of them.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
You know, have you had I'm sure you have had
a couple of moments because you're recruiting these guys. You
think you know what you're getting. But during these practices,
have you had a moment or two where either you
or someone on your staff you kind of look at
each other and go like, oh, I didn't know they
could do that.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Maybe not to that extent because you know, you know
how it is when you're in that environment, like you're
coaching them, so you're just nitpicking them to death. Yeah right,
it's not till they actually leave. Then then they become immortalized,
you know, like they're terrible.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
And then as soon as the moment the buzzer.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Stops, you're just like, well, man, if we just had man,
we could win the whole thing. And you're telling you're
telling their teammates, man, if you just did it, like
you know, but but so so not really, you know,
we've been pleased with both of their ability to make
plays for themselves and for others. You know, I think
you know, honors play makeup, honors play making ability for

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his teammates.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Maybe you didn't think it was as.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
Yes, you know, but like I said, if you go
back and you looked at his junior year he played,
he his usage rate was higher, he had the ball
a lot more, and then the way they played last year,
the ball just touched everybody's hands a lot more.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
But you know, that's been a pleasant surprise.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
And and uh, Eagle Staff's the same way, you know,
with his size at that position and being able to
pass over the top of defenses, and yeah, they can
both they can both really really.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Shoot the ball.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Fair to say that tracing eagle. Staff is in a
whole new world that he's been in, and that's probably
a great deal of fun for you because you know,
he may be the Brennan Laurient for this season, right
in other words, a guy that's just going to go
like that.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Yeah, yeah, well, you know we're asking him to asking
them to defend at a much higher level. And that's
a good thing about you know, him and Laurent both
went through the NBA draft process. They're getting honest feedback.
You know, a lot of times you don't want to
say that they're not getting honest feedback and recruiting processes,
but you're definitely probably you know, they're probably getting the

(26:28):
most you know, not all, but some coaches put it
like that. We won't even quantify it, but you know,
they're going to paint the rosiest picture possible for their opportunity.
And when those guys go and they take part of
that draft process, they're just getting direct feedback. And a
lot of the times that direct feedback is what you
need them to improve in yep, and improve on so

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Tracy Nosey has to be a better defender because you
can't be a liability and want.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
To play at the highest level.

Speaker 6 (26:55):
This is an incredibly difficult leg. As you will know,
what is what is a in your opinion, what is
a realistic expectation for fans in the short term and
long term with you as the head coach as to
how as to what you can achieve here?

Speaker 5 (27:12):
You know, realistic or fair? Fair combination? Fair like that
a good word?

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah? Fair? I mean I think we would want to
win a national championship. I mean that's the.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Only reason you you do this, you know, ultimately, it's
what we do.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
I think you can do it here. They've they've made
it to.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
Final fours here before with the you know, coach Huggins
in twenty ten, and you know, you just to me,
you have to you have to find a way to
consistently get back to being in the NCAA tournament yearly.
And if you can get in the tournament yearly, then
you have the opportunity somebody else gets upset.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Next thing.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
You know, next year in the sweet sixteen, you're the
lead eight and then you're in the final four and
you're like dang, how did we can you? But I
think a big part of that because everyone remembers the
final fours, right you know. And and you know, if
you're talking about like blue blood programs, the you know whatever, uh,
people that make final four runs, well there's a lot

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of a lot of also one and done years where
they get upset in the first round.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Right you know.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
But they're just in the tournament every year, yeah, you know,
and so they get knocked out, somebody upsets them, and yeah,
you remember it. But then it's like two years later,
you're in the elite eight again. And so I think consistently,
I think consistently being in the Incilly tournament is a
big a big start.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
So are you so you're talking about winning a national championship,
so you take this job, and are are you thinking
to yourself, boy, in my career it would be great,
What a fantasy it would be to be in the
final four. Are you thinking, here's what we need to
do to realistically get to a final four? I mean,
is that your mindset that you can get to a
final four?

Speaker 5 (28:56):
I mean, that's certainly the only way I you know,
kind of the only way I know to think honestly,
you know, especially in time period and the way that
college athletics is. I don't think anybody wants to hear
anybody talk about a three to five year plan, you know.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
And you just you don't. You don't get that anymore.
You know.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
You look back at even some coaches that have been
very successful, like a coach k At Duke.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
I mean, you look at his.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
First couple of years when he went to Last Dude,
not nowadays, you know, So I think you kind of
have to have that type of mindset and you do
have the ability to put a roster together, and.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Are you comfortable with that?

Speaker 6 (29:32):
Are you comfortable with this new world or would you
rather be coaching in the old world.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Well, I don't really have a choice, so I try
not to try not to live in you know, unless
somebody's gonna bring me a DeLorean and bring a doctor
doctor Brown fly back to the future. But no, it's uh,
it's kind of a it's just it's the nature of
the the the business that we're in nowadays, and it's

(29:58):
the it's the it's what we chose.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
But your junior college background actually was doing this anyway,
like you were doing this before this became the norm.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
It was, it was, and it's ironic that it's you know,
we talked about this a little bit before, but just
I think early on when I was or when I
was a junior college coacher, even before them, there's really really,
really good junior college coaches. Names that people doesn't mean
much to people, you know, but it means everything.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
The people that have been in the junior college ranks.
You know Lewis or.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
You know coach Spencer, Coach Gernander or Steve Green. These
are like Hall of Fame, you know, coach Sweban. These
are like tremendous coaches that that easily, given an opportunity
at this level, could have had the same level of success.
But maybe there was like frowned upon a little bit.

(30:57):
There was a stigma associated with junior college. You know,
it's like, yeah, but can you take a player, can
you develop them?

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Can they get four years?

Speaker 5 (31:05):
Can they do that? And now it, like you said,
it's flipped the other way. It's completely flipped back to
really you are bringing a brand new roster together. A
lot of the times you may have a handful of
players back, two or three back, you know, which feels
like a ton you know, and you're trying to assimilate
a group together, bring them together quickly, figure out what

(31:28):
the strengths and the weaknesses are individually collectively, and then
and then trying to go win.

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Speaker 4 (32:39):
Water and diet coke?

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Straight water?

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Water and diet coke?

Speaker 3 (32:42):
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Speaker 2 (32:44):
Anything?

Speaker 4 (32:47):
How many die cokes a day? Yeah? Four?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Okay. First one is when for breakfast you go with
it early?

Speaker 4 (32:57):
No coffee?

Speaker 3 (32:57):
No coffee?

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Got coffee?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
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Speaker 3 (33:00):
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Speaker 4 (33:03):
No, no, no, eight thirty nine breakfast. I don't. I
don't drink diet coke when I'm thirsty, just.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
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Speaker 1 (33:11):
It's a luxury liquid, just with mills.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Basically, it's a luxury not very luxurious. But I like it.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
No, I mean so he basically said he wasn't using
it for hydration, so it was kind of a.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
It's a little bit of a luxury I thought maybe
caffeine delivery system too.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, So eight thirty nine.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
So are you a Wren Baker, Are you like up
late doing stuff and then you sleep in a little
bit or are you an.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Early It kind of depends on the time period because.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
When Baker sleeps till like, you know, ten thirty.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
No, that's not you can't go ahead and say you
don't know. Do you have fact on that?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
No, I don't.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I mean, I don't think the guy's getting up with
the rooster crows, but I don't know if he's ten.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
That depends on a lot of It depends on my
kids school schedule and.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
My wife's so.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Is a pilates instructor, and so in Texas, she would
she taught to two classes a week were five thirty am.
A lot of a lot these clothes, So she's leaving
the house at four forty five. And then so read
my son was playing football and they were practice in
the morning because it's like, I know, people think it's

(34:21):
been hot here.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
It has not been here. This is not it's been hotter,
but this isn't hot.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
And so they would practice, you know, at six fifteen.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
So you take him to practice, and.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
So you can get your you're versatile, you can get
up early. If you need to get up early and
get Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
You ever do the pilates?

Speaker 4 (34:40):
No, I've done, I've done. I have done it before.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
If I get if I get an hour, which an
hour to work out, I'd.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Rather do something else.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
What what's preferred?

Speaker 4 (34:51):
No, uh, when it's not hotter outside, I don't mind running.
I like the elliptical.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
And then coach mar Tenez he'll have something whipped up
for us that we try to knock out.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, thirty forty five minutes. Fair combination of cardio and train.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Fair to say that from a topography perspective, this is
probably gonna be the most challenging place where you live. Hills. Yeah,
you can go up and hill up and down some
hills pretty quick.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Pretty gnarly.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
Speaking of which, you were from Dallas, right from Dallas,
and then you're a Denton, which is basically a suburb
almost of Dallas.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
But that Dallas Fort Worth metroplex is eight million people.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
This whole state is one point eight I mean, has
it been weird for you and your family? I mean
to come here and I mean this is this is country.
You're in the country.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
Yeah, no, no, because we lived so like like you
were saying, like you described Texas, and I try to
explain this to people, like Texas would be what you
would if you combined you know, West Virginia, Ohio, Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
About five states, you know.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
And so if you're in you know, West Texas, you're
going to be in like a desert climate, not a
lot of trees, a lot of old derricks and wind
turbines and flat lands.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
If you're in you've obviously been to Lubbock, yeah, yeah, been.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
To love Yeah, been to lubb lived in Midland for
two years. Yeah, I lived in Midland for two years.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
You know, East Texas is going to be more like
piney woods, green Central Texas is like your hill country,
right like uh, you know, and so you know, and
then like Commerce, a town where I went to school,
to eight thousand people, two lights there, you know.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
So you know, you kind of you've we've lived in
lots of different places. We lived in Jonesworth, Arkansas, Hattiesburg, Mississippi.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
You know, we lived in Fort Collins for four years,
five five years, and Fort Corns, Colorado, which is mountains,
you know, different type of mountains, and so so you
get it.

Speaker 6 (36:55):
So what does it meant to you or have you
experienced the fact that Andrin Baker talk about this them too,
is that you come here and there is this WVU
has this extremely loyal following. You know, people take it
very seriously. So when they see you or meet you
and they're you know, they're big fans. You know, it's
a small state, but there's a lot of devoted fans.

(37:16):
Brad knows that well because he worked now its light
department for years. So does that resonate with you the passion.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Yeah, you can definitely. It doesn't take long to feel
that and experience that. And I said, everybody has been
incredibly welcoming. You know, we we haven't lost a game yet,
so everybody still likes me. Nobody nobody's spent my food
or anything. But no, yeah, you can tell again there
is no there is no pro sport. This is it,

(37:44):
you know. And it's it's cool to hear people's stories
and talk about the lineage of their family and how
they support it and how they've had season tickets and
how we come to this game and how they remember
and remember when they were and where they were and
it means a lot, means a lot to us. What
makes this place special? You know, and that's where ultimately

(38:04):
as a as a coach, you want to be. You
want to coach and be a part of places that
it means something to everyone, not just the university, not
just athletics, but the state and uh, you know one thing,
maybe it's the top of the mind of wearing this thing.
Brad and I were talking about this after practice. I've
I've been amazed at the amount of people that have

(38:24):
West Virginia connections or Morgantown ties, no matter where you are.
Maybe it's something that I just didn't notice for but now,
like everywhere you go you see a hat, you see
a backpack, you see a you know, and then you
talk to them, and or when you tell people, you know,
you live in Morgantown and that my uncle lived, you know,
it's just.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
It's it's amazing how many people are connected to this place.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
Which has been followed by when you meet those people,
and you can be anywhere in the country meets people
didn't it's followed by do you know.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
It's awesome.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
It's crazy. When the West Virginia Gig opened up, it
was a surprise, right surprise to everyone, like what just happened?
Like Mountineers s selection Sunday don't make it in and
then like Monday comes and there's some when it first
popped into your mind or like the conversations began, what

(39:20):
was your initial perception of the West Virginia program.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
I had had a ton of respect for it, and
like like I mentioned, I always felt like it had
a very powerful national brand, even even me not having
spent a ton of time in West Virginia. My wife's,
like I said, from Baltimore, We vacation in the Outer Banks,
you know, every summer she has, and so you you know,

(39:46):
it's always like you realize just how powerful of a brand,
you know, and and the success that like you know,
Coach Catlett and Coach Bline and Coach Huggins and just
you know, really really had just such an immense amount
of respect for the program itself. And then any time

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you talk to anybody about the state of West Virginia,
everyone the first thing that comes out of their mind
is like the people. You know, just how awesome the
people that are nice, the people are, how loyal the
people are. And so when you're considering, you know, jobs,
and you're considering moving a family, you want to make sure,
you're putting them in a position where they can they

(40:30):
can feel comfortable being around good people, you know, and
people that are going to welcome them and look out
for them. And so that was that was the two
things that kind of jumped jumped out. Obviously the basketball part,
the league, the success. And then no matter who you
ask about the people of West Virginia, the man they

(40:51):
are some of the some of the best people you
will ever meet. And hasn't has not, has not been
disappointing to that point, everybody has been incredible.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, it takes a long time, doesn't it. So you
got hired, was it still March by April? Early April?
But now you're just finally getting the family, all the
pieces together at least for a while, right, everyone is together.
So it takes time. And I would imagine this weekend,
fourth of July weekend, you guys were finally all together
in the house and it's like, ah, yes, do you

(41:22):
finally breathe?

Speaker 5 (41:23):
Yeah, yes, yes, And then you know, people ask, you know,
like you know, or how's you know, how how's it been?
And and that's being the only negative is being separated
from your from your family.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
That sucks.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
There's no other way around it. People you can sugarcoat it.
People can be like, oh, it's not that bad. No,
it is that bad. Sure it sucks, you know, coming
home to an empty house is like it sucks.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
But yeah, I had every everybody here and.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
They're going to be here, uh for this month, and
and so yeah, it feels you feel a little more normal,
you feel a little more balanced, you feel a little
more whole, you know, and it's it's been and it's
been fun. Shelley, Shelley and Emmy and the kids, you know,
went and went and did some hiking, and so it's
been it's been fun.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, and it's kind of crazy. We talked about this,
kicked us around a little bit. You bought Darren Devries's house. Yes,
So it was like we were like, you went downstairs
and it was already all West Virginia out, yes, right
that you didn't have to do any of that. Man,
it was like it was walking down.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
The incredible basement. And you know, and again I know
you guys have talked about it before, and you know
they they coach of Reese's wife. Man, they did a
lot to that, to that property. They put a lot
into it. They put a lot of you know, money,
a lot of time, and and so that was it

(42:44):
was nice to be able to you know, move Yeah,
their basement was already I mean as as much as
like a team pro shop for West.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Virginia down there. I mean stuff. I didn't even know
you could get West Virginia emblems on the on there.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
So I know it was disappointing for a lot of fans,
you know, they that he was only here a year,
But I certainly didn't get the feeling.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Like said up, I mean I bought his house.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
I know what they what they did and what they
put into it, and so it was nice to be
able to move into a house that was, you know,
at least had had the basement all there.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah. The only issue I think with that house is
the neighbor across the street.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
Tough neighborhood, man, I mean that one guy gotta watch
out of course.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Was it the baker? I think the last name is well,
he's got that side by beside that side by side,
it makes a lot of noise.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Was never there. He's always driving up into Preston County
find I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
You're gonna get that call way and said Hey, come on,
go take our little ride. He's gonna get you on
that thing.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
And just because he's zoomed past me a few times.

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Speaker 6 (45:27):
Coach you have any You're pretty busy, obviously, got any hobbies.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
Not not a not really not not a huge like
golf golf guy or anything like that. Like I said,
I'm either usually coaching our team or watching watching my
kids play sports. We is a family. We like to
play pickleball.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Okay, you know, so we will. What are the team
what are the teams there? When you play?

Speaker 5 (45:53):
Well, no one wants to be on their mom's team, alright,
but true, there's there. They usually give her a pretty
hard time. So usually usually it has to be me
and her against the kids.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
But who wins?

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (46:07):
We we we we can hold our own. But they
they they probably get the best of us.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
You don't. You don't cut them any slunt? Do you
cut them any slack?

Speaker 4 (46:16):
No?

Speaker 5 (46:16):
No, no, we like to uh so, yeah, do that?
We play Yuker cards a lot, sure, family like ker.
It's a good, good game. So usually yeah, if I'm
not if I'm not coaching our team or doing something
basketball related or you know, recruiting, or I'm usually just
at home with doing doing stuff like that or watching

(46:38):
them play. My son plays baseball and football, my daughter
plays volleyball, runs track. So it's not like you're just
sitting around.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Can you watch your kids play without giving advice or
coaching during the game.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
It's hard. Yeah, it's hard. It's definitely hard.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
So even in baseball and football.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Yeah, football, no, because you're so far away, right, know how,
we're just sitting and watching, you know, but yeah, it's
it's hard.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
It's hard, sure it is.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
So how did they take it? Do you coach them
up and do they respond?

Speaker 5 (47:14):
They they're like teenagers, so you can imagine how they
want to. It depends how bad it gets, you know,
like anything else. If it's if it hadn't bottomed all
the way out, they don't want to hear it. But
if it bottoms all the way out, then they listen. Ironically,
they're all ears.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, got it, Okay, I get it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
We talked defense. Give me your take offensively, because the
game has obviously changed so significantly from when you first
started in this business. Now we're spreading it out and
we're playing sometimes five out. Where's your head offensively? What
do you like?

Speaker 5 (47:50):
Well, you know, I think our defense has gotten a
lot of attention, rightfully, so, but you know one thing
that probably hasn't got talked a ton about when you
talked about us, is like we have been very efficient offensively,
and like we had the second best offensive rating in
our league in the American last year.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
And so.

Speaker 5 (48:13):
You know, you talk about tempo, really you want to
just you're really trying to get the best shot you
can get you know, we're not We're not the type
of team that wants to get shots up just for
the sake of getting shots up. But if we can
get a if tracing or honor, you know, if you're
kicking that ball ahead to them and they're they're open,
you want them shooting the ball, pull it as as

(48:34):
soon as they can see the rem you know. And
we've we've been a very good three point shooting team historically,
top top fifty, you know. And so I think what
you're trying to do offensively, and the goal of any
good offensive coaches, You're trying to put your best players
in there in the best positions, and you know, kind

(48:55):
of figuring out how to how do you play after
the play? There's the play, but then how do you
get to the what's next part of the action and
getting everybody to understand what's going to be a good
shot for us? And I do think that can be
hard for young players. Shot selection, I always say, is
not an equal opportunity. You know, what's a good shot
for Tony isn't going to be a good shot for me.

(49:15):
But maybe that's a good shot for Brad, And what's
a good shot for you hop is not.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
So it's like how to but how do we all
figure out?

Speaker 5 (49:22):
Okay, hey, that's a really good shot for Brad, But
that doesn't mean I get to shoot it, you know,
And so you're just trying to try to be as
efficient as you can, you know, while taking care of
the ball and getting the ball to your better players
and positions they can be successful.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Is it still too early for you to characterize what
your team is going to be able to do? Well?
Do you like, do you think it's a good shooting team? Now?
Do you think.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
It's a it's a it's a little too early because
you know, I've always said it's it's hard to get
better when you're just playing against yourself all the time.
You know, you can you really get better when you
start playing against other teams and other other scrimmages and games.
That's how you evolve and you grow as a team,

(50:10):
and you try to you try to have as much
foresight as you can as a coach to the vision
of what it's going to look like. But until you
really get into that and you start but so you
don't really know. But we do shoot the ball well collectively,
and we can shoot it from multiple positions. I think
we have, you know, several different ways you could play.

(50:31):
We could play bigger, we could play smaller, have some
interchangeable pieces, and so you're just trying to figure out again,
what's going to be the best way for us to play.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Feels like you have multiple guys that can shoot it too.
It's not just one or two that you hope are
on that night. It's a handful of guys that can
step correct correct.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
You know a lot of guys that you're capable shooting it,
and then you know that should create some level of space,
and then you're playing off that space.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
Coach, I ask you this at your introductory press conference.
I think people grown, but it's worth asking again, and
that is what.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Did you have your legal pad when you were at
his press conference? Do you remember, by the way, Ross is.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Oh, yeah, I remember. That's in the end. I remember.
I think Rin Sai. That's why they don't call him
for no reason.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
I forgot about that. That's true.

Speaker 6 (51:15):
It's just it's a fair question. And look, I want
to preface everybody saying I don't expect you. I don't
thinknybody would expect you to say I'm committed to being
here for life. I mean, that's not the way the
world works. But clearly, as Tony and Bradam alluded to,
I mean, West Virginia's were pretty pretty stunned when coach
of Reese left. So can you address that? What would
you say about your commitment here? I'll just leave it

(51:37):
open ended.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
Yeah, I think the best the I guess, what do
they say, the the best predictor of you know, future
behavior as past behavior. And you know, we were we
were in Denton for eight years, loved that place, had
a lot of opportunities to leave there for what I said,
what people would consider, you know, bigger and better, But

(51:59):
that isn't necessarily what's the most important thing to my family.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
And so I'm not somebody just me. I'm kind of
a comfort zone person.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
And so I'm not somebody that just like wants to
change a lot and move a lot and move a
family a lot. And that's just not what I like
to do. So with that being with that being said,
you know, it's not something I want to do. And
so you know, even if it's again, what someone else

(52:34):
may think is, oh, that's a no brainer, you have
to do that. Like I don't necessarily view it that way.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
So is it is it fair to say that the
things you want to do professionally you believe you can
do them here correct and don't need to go somewhere
to accomplish the things you want to accomplish in your
coaching wife, I'm putting words in your mouth when I'm
trying to characterize.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
Yeah, I believe, like I said, I believe in the
you know, I believe I believe in the alignment here.
You know, we started with President Gee and now as
President Benson to Ren and so you have to be
aligned with what everyone's vision is for a program. It
said that before, you know, like coaches win games, but

(53:17):
I really do believe administrations win championships. And so if
you ever felt that you didn't have that alignment, maybe
maybe things would change. But for now, it certainly feels
all that's in alignment. You know, you have We've talked
about the people here already. You have some of the
best people that you can be around, a loyal fan

(53:40):
base that wants to win, that wants to you know,
wants to be in sweet sixteens and final fours, and
you have one of the best home court advantages.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
If not.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
You know, can palm the best home court advantage in
the entire country.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
And you know, I have.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
A son that'll be an eighth grader that's entered into
high school. Said, things change, but you don't. You know,
it's just and I don't. I'm not knocking anybody that
does that. I'm not pointing casting stones. I'm just saying
for me personally, to answer your question, I don't want
to move a lot. You know, it's just not what
I what I like to do. And I feel like

(54:17):
like you don't have to do that. We can do
We can do the things that we want to do professionally.
We can win at the level we want to win at.
It's not going to be easy. We know that nothing's easy.
It's not easy to win a game, let alone twenty games,
let alone championships. That none of it's easy. But I
do feel like we have what you what you need

(54:38):
to have to give yourself a chance.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
One of the big things that we do on this
show is we attempt to give back to West Virginia
in the community. You're big into doing that to make
sure that your players get involved. And Jasper Floyd is
coming with us a week from Saturday, the nineteenth of July,
and this is a shout out to folks that are
three guys listeners. We are going to do a live event,

(55:03):
second year in a row as part of the WVU
Cancer Institute's Golf Classic at Stonewall Resort. It is Saturday,
July the nineteenth, and me and Brad, Brad and Me
whatever that is. Brad and I will be there. Hoppy
is out, but Brad and I will be there. Jasper
Floyd is going to be with us. Nathan Adrian is

(55:24):
going to be with us. So this is what Nate's
going to do. He is going to man up at
one of the par three holes and you will play
the pro. So your group goes in if you're golfing,
and he'll fire, and then you fire. You try to
beat Nate on that whole.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Stephen practicing, do we know? Do we have an update
on that?

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Well, I don't think a golf club and he are
too far away most of the time. So here's the deal.
As we go into today, we're recording on the seventh
of July. There are twelve foursomes that are still left.
You can go to WUVU Cancer goolf Classic Dot com
you don't have to play. What we do is they play,

(56:03):
and then afterward we have a lunch and slash dinner
where we do our little bit of a live show.
So Parkersburg Brewing is going to be there Connection three
o four. We've got our own beer all Connection three
oh four. That'll be on the course and after the event.
Also they've got clay sports shooting as an alternate activity.
You can do that. Just get a dinner ticket and

(56:24):
you can do the clay sports shooting and also auction highlights.
Charles Wesley Godwin has been gracious enough to give us
two tickets to his concert at Red Rocks in October,
and Chuck, that be a great spot. Chuck, just tech
my daughter.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
My daughter's already been wearing me out on that one.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, so Chuck says.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
And now she's already moved in an that works. I know,
same in my household.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
So we're also the chance that you're going to be
able to meet Chuck after the show. Chuck's gonna have
someone walking back there at Red Rocks. Last time he
played there, if you remember Full Snowstorm, it was awesome. Also,
a three day weekend available in our live auction at
a custom cabin built by Mark Bow's dad Hoppy. Oh boy, Yeah,
absolutely know. It'd be nice a private dinner at the

(57:10):
wine bar with the three guys crew and volleyball coach
Jen Greeney. How about that. That was fun.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
We had a great time doing that. Fantastic need that's
when they had that giant bottle of wine that like
wouldn't fit in the.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Very large bottle of camis and WV memorabilia plus uh
final looking. Phil Daniel's gonna be there. They're gonna have
their gears. That little Anthony's there on site selling correct.
All the proceeds benefit the WVU Cancer Institute. We're supporting
doctor Hannah Hazard and the WU Cancer in studio. So
if you'd love to have you there.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
And if you've listened to the show, you're gonna love
Jasper right, we already heard him on the show here.
He's a tremendous personality.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
You can tell ross when you watch you guys practice.
He's been around, Yeah, He's played a lot of basketball.
A lot of those guys you could tell have been around.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
He has some of the some of the highest level
intangibles of any player that I've ever been around. And again,
I still I still have my boyish good looks, but
it's getting gray.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
But how old are you right now?

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Forty four? I'll be forty five on July fifteenth.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Six, Episode six, forty four. He's forty four.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Okay, I take care, sud.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
This was the cards. You become the West Virginia head
coach when you're forty Think about that.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
He became the West Virginia head coach when he was
forty four.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Your numerology is really good today.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I'm hi, I'm gonna hot numerology.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
We do love stats on this show. Do we need
to hit a stinger here? I don't have seats. I'm
gona ask him about stats. You want to hit a
little stinger?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah? Do you have it?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Can you get to it?

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Yeah? One second. It's a good.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Segue since your numbers have been so good today, which
is unusual.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
From a little sting. Here we go through to sting
whether or not.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Go favorite? Because you've mentioned a couple of different statistics
today while we've been talking, give me your top couple,
not just your favorite top couple, statistics that you go
to first to either when you're scouting or team performance.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
What do you look at scouting wise, The first thing
we're probably going to do is look at a player's
offensive rating, which measures that player's efficiency. It's going to
take their shooting percentage from two, shooting percentage from three,
their free throw how how many assists they have, how
often they turn the ball over, and so you know

(59:17):
right away, like if if there's a player that someone
gives us a name that has played at the you know,
university level, that's the first thing I'm going to do
is get on there and look at their offensive offensive
rating team wise. You know, you're gonna we're always going
to look at like points per possession, you know, which
is a good way to measure measure defensive efficiency, sometimes

(59:39):
even better than just flat out raw numbers.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Raw numbers tell us story.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
None of it tells the complete story, but they all
tell little parts.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Of the story.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
So we're going to look at, you know, points for possession,
you know, your effective field goal percentage offensively and defensively.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Forty yours.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
I mean what he says, what do you mean by that? Well,
that's I mean you know that we that's what we
talk about on the show. We do the offensive rating.
We'll go a little deeper. Sometimes we do spots on
the floor people shoot from well, but when you get
down into it, those are the those a couple of
points per possessional. He's a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Yeah, that's a big one.

Speaker 6 (01:00:12):
Coach you have we talked about guys who've played a
lot of basketball. Do you have have you identified guys
yet that when you're coaching or when it comes to
points in a game where you're trying to coach them
up and and and they're completing your sentences, they get, oh, yeah, okay,
we're doing they're doing this, so we need to do this.
You know that they get exactly what's going on and
can even add to that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Do you have guys like that yet? You know what
I'm talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Yeah, not not collectively individually like uh Brad had mentioned.
I mean the guys that have that have been uh
you know with me, you know Jasper and and be
Low and then you know one of one of one
of young men it's gonna be a g a for US.
Matt Stone he played for US at four years at
North Texas. He's going to be a gradual assistant uh

(01:00:57):
with with US here at West Virginia this year and
he was part of more wins than any player in
the history of the program there at North Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
He can, he can, he can, I.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
Can open my mouth and he can be behind me
saying what's about to come out of my mouth? You know,
one of the things that we've mentioned that is condensed
now because you just don't have that many people that
are going to play for you for four years, two years,
three years. But we do try to keep our terminologically
terminology pretty simple.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
You know, one word, one word audibles.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
So you can just say that specifically, and you would
hope as you do it more that you get more
and more people that I always tell the players like,
and I'm not saying that the way that we always
think is right. There's a lot of ways you can
win basketball games, as we know, but there is a
way that we believe is going to win basketball games.

(01:01:53):
And right now there's eleven players in there, a couple
more coming, but there's eleven players, and someone probably Jasper
thinks the closest he's won, right and and we're at
the top the staff, and he's probably one closest to
thinking the way that we think be those probably two

(01:02:15):
and then there's a lot of people spread out amongst that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
Then can those guys when you're practicing, what they can
help talking to.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
What you want to do is you want to get
eleven because someone is sitting in that room and they're
the way they think about the game is nowhere near
the way that we think about the game. But you
got to get those guys closer to the way that
everyone's thinking the same way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Well, i'll give you what. I mentioned this on their
the other day. I was at practicing and saw this
and Jade Forsyth, who looks like he's got a lot
of skills based a true freshman, so his head spinning
a little.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Bit right now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
You got on him the other day and corrected something
stance wise, and almost before you had turned to walk back,
he listened to you said yes sir, and then immediately
turned to Jasper and Jasper started talking to him and
kind of helping to translate. That happened like within a
couple of seconds. And that's probably the example that you're
talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Yeah, yeah, and exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
And you know they always say, like, you know, player
player led teams are going to be better than coach
led teams, you know, and uh, that's where you again,
you you want to get guys that you feel like
have the right hearts, have the right mindsets, and you
put them all in the room together, and then it's
just how quickly can you assimilate everybody together?

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
What's your philosophy on non conference scheduling?

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
We historically we always play like really really challenging schedules.
You know, I like to you, you know, I like
to challenge our team in the non league.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
I think it's the best way that you can figure
out who you really are.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
You don't want to bury yourselves because as we know,
like the Big Twelve present so many challenges, But you
also don't want to be going into you know, conference
play with like a false sense of security. And I
don't think it. You never want tose any games. You know,
you plan on winning every game you play, but you
can point to some some losses early on, and that's

(01:04:08):
that's how you can you can grow.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Do you take losses hard?

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
How long does it take you to get over it?

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Some losses I'm still not over to this day. For
being honest, I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
It's not like, uh, it's not like you know you're
you're you try to It's like you're gonna be a
different person.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Or you know, anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
But when it when I think about certain games, like
it still pisses me off to this day.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
What's your biggest in game coaching mistake that stays with you?
Like a burglar in the night, you roll over, You
roll over in the middle of the night, and you go,
I should have taken the time out.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Yeah, there's there's a there's a couple of those, you know,
junior college or well, you know both.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
Where you just yeah, I mean, hindsight is always twenty
twenty or you just you know, sometimes you like you
can see the car about to get hit by the
train wreck, but for some reason, you just can't get
it out of your mouth to look out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
There's a couple of times I've you know, you see
somebody get trapped in a corner or something and you're
just like, oh, this is going to be really bad.
But before you can even get the time out, he's
knocked the ball out of his hands and they're laying
it up and you were just up one and now
you're down one and you're like, that was really stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
You know, Okay, let's go to the other side of it,
what's your greatest play call ever?

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Greatest play call ever?

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Now you just had a feel in your head go like,
all right, let's run this now, because.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
You've been really a fishing out of timeouts.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
Yeah, I think so so much of that is just
you know, and now I do think there's with what
you're saying is probably I don't know if there's ever
like a play call ever, but I do think probably
trying to decipher do you want to take a time
out or do you not want to take a time out?

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
And what's your mindset normally on those road.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Know who's who's on the floor.

Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
Well, at the end of a game, like if you're
like if you're if you get a rebound and you
have an opportunity to last shot and you I think
some of it depends on who's who's on the floor
for them, who's on the floor for you? You know,
do you know exactly what do you and your team
know exactly what you would like to do in this scenario,

(01:06:31):
because sometimes it's just better to if everybody knows what
they're supposed to do and you have the right guys,
just go play and you don't let.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
The other team.

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
Maybe the other team can can you know, change your
defense or substitute their defensive their best defensive players in
kind of like running a you know, a no huddle
in football or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
You know, do you do the substitutions, all the substitutions.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
No, No.

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
Coach Coach Hurl kind of manages our substitution pattern for
the most part.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
You know, I just complained about our substitution I did.

Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
I did the sou when I worked for coach Mac,
you know what I mean, Like, you know, why is
he in the game?

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
Like who would you like to put in the game?

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Yeah, So there's a whole You can make a television
show on of just end game what goes on on
a basketball staff because you're all close together. Yeah, and
it happens so fast. If you could just have everyone
micd it's mind numbing the things that are going boom
so fast.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Yeah, I don't know if it would be a comedy,
if it'd be a if it would be a drama,
and what it would be it would be It depends.
Some days it'd be funny and some days it was like,
what what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Now, how's our guy speaking of assistance? Our guy Phil
Forte looks good in the Golden Blue now he does, right,
I know that's weird for him. Former great player at
Oklahoma State. Right, he had great games against us. We
used to come on here and kill him on the air.
He was so so good against us.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Well, he played for thirteen years.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
You know, that was fifty. That was Kee, that was
filled and that was keeping page. It wasn't the same guy.
It wasn't the same short, generic white guy shooter. I
felt like forever.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
It is kind of wild.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
How the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Are you the party?

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Okay, okay, just hobby of hobby.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
He's done with his questions. He's right, conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
It is kind of wild. How the basketball world is
so small that like here comes a Forte comes through,
And I mean we have We've had Derek Wittenberg here,
and we've had guys you know, just cycles through over time.
It's a small world, it is.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
It really is.

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Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
And really good? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Could you eat two at a time?

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
I could not? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Really just a one?

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Yeah, says I'm outright.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
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Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
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just like a lot of meat on it, like a heavy,
heavy meat.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
It would be what what what Ross likes?

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Is that true?

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Guys sing?

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Or did you just throw that out on your strip?

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
There's an email that came through that said they're a
game Day special.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Seafood much not a ton salmon salmon, that's it, salmon
and shrimp. But favorite meal, steak, favorite meal spaghetti.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Really really really not a steak.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
I like steak. Okay, so like steak. It's not like
I'm anti anything.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
I mean, I'm not showing I'm not throwing any shots,
not throwing any shots that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
You know, vegans out there or anything. But I do
like steak.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
But this interesting. So how is how is the spaghetti prepared?

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
A little bit of Italian seasoning on it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
So just a red sauce you're going with? Or do
you do fredo or what do you do?

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
No pasta prey go?

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Oh we can do a hell a lot better than that. Yeah,
I mean, with all due respect to Prey Go, we
can do a whole slam.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
You don't have to slam Prey They make me a
sponsor someday you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
Know they won't be. No.

Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
They was just meat sauce, turkey, turkey, turkey meat yeah,
not meatballs, just turkey.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
Yeah, not just ground turkey yeah, ground turkey.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Yeah, that's Andrew. Okay, Yeah, there's nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
Wrong with the jarred sauces these days are pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Okay, sure, you're trying to food stop.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Yeah, foods care these guys, they fine, they go eat there.
Try just try to eat eat good, eat right, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Nobody nobody criticized, and we're not criticizing you. You're the
one that criticizes everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Somebody offensive spaghetti, he likes the playgo sauce.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Leave them alone, right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Okay, fine, that's fine. You have any questions for us?

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
I do not.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
Like that I say that I don't have any questions.
I don't have any questions on air for you guys
right now. I have many questions off air, like the
random Friday Friday Friday text messages to you guys for
pizza recommendations, or did you pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Pretty good?

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
No way?

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
But listen when you texted us and said okay, pizza,
no wayed, I think you would become Noah's ark when
you went to pick it out. That was crazy. How
about that rain that was so he went down to
Dell's Low and it was it wasn't all out like water.
That's a floods up to the tires.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
That flood that was Hey.

Speaker 6 (01:13:33):
Coach, did you are you familiar with those camps where
those terrible floods were in Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Very it's very very sad. It's a sad situation, very sad,
very sad.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Could you see how that happened based on the topography there,
or is it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
Yes, yep, because you imagined, because yeah, or even just
like I said, or even even when you go down
I went down there to get you know, the pizza
that night. If you're down at the river bottoms, or
if you're at a camp and you know think like well,
you know, man, you knew it was rain, and why.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Couldn't you just there? You can't get out of fast fast?

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
I mean it said it swelled twenty six feet in
an hour.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
You know that's terrible, tragic.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Yeah, like we had here and Wheeling several weeks ago. Obviously,
four inches of rain in thirty minutes is just nine people.

Speaker 7 (01:14:21):
And I mean it's yeah, they got twelve inches in
an hour. It's breathtaking. Yes, is horrible, absolutely breathtaking. All right,
So we haven't we haven't done any damage. You'll come
back at some point, I mean absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
This is fun.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Yeah, see that, Brad, he said it was fun despite
the fact that you attacked his pizza, his spaghetti sauce.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Well, I just who was harder on him, Tony or me? Brad.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
I think Tony was. I agree, Well, you went with
a retreaded You did retread the question. I'm surprised you
retreaded the question. I mean, very unlike you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Very unlike. I thought you'd covered a little bit different.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
I mean, asked an answer. That's what he should have
said to you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Asked an answer, believe question next next that would that
would have been a good response. He should have come
out with Wait a second, aren't you that guy from
the press content I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
To answered that next question?

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Or still he's still trying to get along.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
We appreciate it. It's all good.

Speaker 6 (01:15:11):
Hey, coach, welcome to West Virginia. Thanks good to have
you here. Thank you good to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
You're going to enjoy this because I think the key
things that you said, like when people have ownership of
the program, will everyone has ownership of the program. And
I just think like when you're the head coach, like
you become, you become the steward of the program, right,
you're the caretaker of the program for a period of time,
And that's that's what it is.

Speaker 6 (01:15:32):
And you know what Wrenn said, and Ren's not from here,
but he gets it because he's embraced it. And Wren says,
if you love West Virginia, if you love West.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Virginia, they'll love you back.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Correct, it's pretty wise from Wren.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Correct. Yeah. Three guys brought to us by Jan Dill's
attorneys at law. No, they won't take no for an answer.
My Comac's business system keeping West Virginia's business data safe,
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Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Oh and by the way, win a bunch of games.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
Yeah, that that usually helps that. Uh that that that
usually is a pre requsses for people like that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Unfortunately, then you just get the you get the butt
associated with you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
It's a nice gap.

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Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Up and get out there.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
Becau.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Summer is almost over. Basically I'm surprised you didn't say that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
It is almost the way now, Yeah, shorter days kick
off of the first games, that's right around fifteen now,
hurry up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
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(01:17:04):
four with Ross Hodge's complete thanks for being with us
three four sixty four. Yeah, Maddie'll start. That was Jerry West,
just seeing

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
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