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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now let's head across right now because joining me on
the line is the Deputy Opposition leader Jared Maylee. Good
morning to you, Jared.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good morning, Katie, Good morning with move mate.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Lots to cover off on this morning. We know that
the IKAC Commissioner has released a report into the twenty
twenty election and the travel that was undertaken in the
weeks leading into the election. There's been no adverse findings.
Do you think that that travel passes the pub test?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
No, look, it certainly doesn't, Kay. But before you go,
I just want to heard that story about that lady
getting a feel paid for. That is what the charity
is all about. In my view, Having people do that,
it's a show that we've gotten a great community spirit.
And are will donder that bloke who paid that money
and shake your hand.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I agree, what a good man. You know, it's hard,
it's hard out there sometimes and we're all sort of
struggling through with cost of living. And I don't know
what happened in Sonya's case, but you know she was
trying to sort things out. While she was trying to
sort things out, this bloke's paid for her. What a
good fella. And I do hope that they're.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Good and we've got some good people in the territory
and it shows that, it shows that they're still alive
and kicking, and hopefully we can get more of that
as we move forward. Yeah, in this world, I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I totally agree. Now, Jared, let me ask you in
terms of this IKAK report, what did you make of it?
Does it pass the pub test? No?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Look, Katie, it doesn't pass the pub test. It didn't
back into twenty twenty, and it certainly doesn't do that now.
You know, this is a clear example in my view,
of Michael Gunner going out using the public tax payer
money on voting day, remember on voting day in those communities,
and it just clearly doesn't pass the pub test. And
remember the ICIC he didn't make findings either way. He
didn't He couldn't find that he did or did not
(01:39):
engage in proper conduct. So it's not say, oh, it's
all good, is no findings against him. The IKAKS report
says that he made no findings that he did or
did not engage, So we don't know, and clearly it
doesn't pass the pub test in my view.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
So do you think that there needs to be some
serious changes to the rules so we don't have a situation,
no matter which government, no matter what political stripes, that
we do not have a situation where politicians are traveling
out to different electorates, to remote communities on polling day
to meet in adverted commas with those electorates.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah. Look, the Ministerial Code Conduct has already been upgraded
just this year in relation to i'd say in these
findings because you know they probably went out there, but
I'm sure they're on the mind of what's happening. There's
already been upgrade to strengthen those rules about what is
public for political transpaigning and that sort of stuff. So
(02:34):
there's already been upgrade in that because ultimately the government's
there to govern for the territory, not to campaign for
political party.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Well, this is the thing. And like I said, I
don't think it matters which political party you're talking about,
but the independence of the Greens, the opposition, whoever it
is of the day, don't have the ability to go
out there to those communities on the taxpayer's time, as
I understand it. So surely it is an unfair advantage
to ever to whoever is in power on that day.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Certainly an unfair advantage and we need to make sure
the rules are fair the government that governing for Territorians
and parties are about campaigning to get their candidates elected
into parliament, so we need to make sure there is
a clear distinction between that. And ultimately this really doesn't
pass the pup test and even happened in twenty twenty.
Michael Gunn is gone now, but it just doesn't pass
(03:24):
the top test, and it didn't back then, and again
it doesn't right now. Now.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I know that there has been some recommendations made, you know,
they vary, and I'll read all of those out throughout
the morning. But Jared, does the COLP believe that there
needs to actually be stronger rules in place so that
this kind of thing cannot happen again?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, there certainly needs to be some rules in place
because we need to make sure that we haven't open
and transparent government. And remember the Labor government brought out
a little document back in twenty sixteenth saying that we're
going to be open and transparent, and clearly they're not
and they haven't been, and we need to make sure
that we rebuild that trust in the government, because ultimately
the government of the day need to govern for territorians
(04:07):
and not governed for themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
So like, what would you propose that does happen that
you're not allowed to travel on the taxpayer's dime, or
that there's a certain amount of money that's maybe able
to be utilized to go out to different electorates for
all political parties.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, it's all about the timing these Michael Gunner, and
they went out on these three separate occasions on voting
day when that prepolling occurred in those electorates. So ultimately
there still needs to be a care taker mode and
we know that, and people do travel there, but you
can't have people traveling out to a remote community on
polling day and say it's not it's a ministerial travel.
(04:45):
Clearly that doesn't pass the pub dest And we need
to make sure the rules are clear that if there's campaigning,
it needs to be paid for by the party, and
if there's government legitimate government work, well then it can
go through through the taxpayer. But there's a clear life
then that needs to be drawn to make sure it
doesn't get crossed.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, look, I just do not think that it passes
the pub test to be going out to remote communities
or you know, to be using taxpayers doing polling day. Yeah,
that's well, this is the thing. Like to me, it
doesn't pass the pub test. I don't care who is
in power, it does not pass the pub test. But Jared, realistically,
the KA Commissioners, you know, like has said that there's
no adverse findings against Michael Gunner. What do you make
(05:25):
of that?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Well, Helen had there's no adverse findings against him. He
said he didn't make any findings, and it says he did.
He couldn't find he did or did not make, So
there's no he didn't make any findings at all. So
have you thrown the word no adverse findings against him?
That's not what the IK report says. It just says
I have made and I read it out to you,
I have not made findings that he did or did
not engage in proper conduct.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It was a very neutral response.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, look, I thought it said that the report had
found no adverse findings against the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner
or the Labor Party despite that using of the taxpayer funds.
But I'm happy, I'm happy to be corrected.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
No, no, I can read it. There's only short paragraphs
and this is what it says. This is that paragraph
sixty seven. Who wants to read the report before proceeding further,
It is appropriate to note that I have not made
any findings in respect of mister Gunner. That is, I
have not made finding that he did or did not
engage in proper conduct.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So what do you think that means? I mean, like,
you know, without I'm not like not trying to criticize
the K Commissioner, but it sounds like sitting on the fence.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well. Look, ultimately, there's a lot of information in this
KaiC report, and rules have changed since then. But it
seems to be for my reading of the report, and
remember it wasn't handed down to a very late last night,
and certainly people with smarter minds in mine are going
to go through this in word by word and interpret it.
But it seems to be that there may be some
definitions need to be cleared made stronger, so we know
(06:49):
what is political work and what is campaign work.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, look, I agree, and I know that the K
Commissioner has got a second report coming out as well,
is what I understand. So no doubt, will all be
care be an eye in this space. Hey, before we
wrap up this morning, we did actually ask you on
because I know that there was some questions asked yesterday
in Parliament of the Deputy Chief Minister Chancey Paike about
the Darwin Correctional facility that riot back in twenty twenty
(07:15):
and how much the damage cost, like how much needed
to be well, how much it cost to fix and
the insurance reimbursement. Was there any information gleaned?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Well, not really, Katie. Chancey just skirted around and didn't
answer the question like he normally does. But the facts
that there was a riote in back in twenty twenty
and the intimate damage bill was about forty million dollars
that from my understanding is hasn't been repaired yet and
it's still not actually operational that particular building that was burnt.
(07:47):
What we did find out was that there was about
a ten million dollar payment into the budget and we
asked if that was insurance. So what we were trying
to work out was did the insurance get ten million
dollars paid for the repairs and the repairs actually cost
forty million dollars, which means that the tax you know,
the territory mums the dad are going to stump up
(08:07):
thirty million dollars for this labor failure.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And so what no like, no real answers provided.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
No rel aanswers provided. He just skirted around and you
know who wouldn't give us any detail because he knows
what that the taxpayer. We've got to pay for their mistakes.
Data dumped this up. They've spent you know, forty million
and that was this is four years ago and it
still hasn't been repaired and they aren't going to get
an insurance built by the themes of about ten million dollars.
So the taxpayer's got to pay thirty million dollars for
(08:34):
our labour's failure.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And look, I did catch up with the corrections commission
of Matthew Valley a couple of weeks back. My understanding
is that it is very near to completion and being
back operational again and it hasn't sort of impacted their
day to day operations too badly, is my understanding. However,
this again, it is taxpayers money. We've got to make
sure that we are not using taxpayers money like its
(08:57):
monopoly money. At the end of the day, we are
eleven billion dollars in debt, so we've got to get
a bit smarter about the way in which things are
being spent. Hey, before I let you go, though, I
do want to ask about this, this review into our
ambulance services. So basically the Northern Territory government set to
undertake a third review into the ambulance services as cost
(09:18):
blowouts continue to plague the health system. What do you
make of this?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, look, ultimately this is the third review by the
global government. And remember the Labor government cut Saint John's
funding in twenty two to twenty three by about eight
hundred thousand dollars. So and really this goes back to
the Labour's failure in relation to dealing with crime because
the ambulance there, paramedics are completely under the pumping relation
to work. They're getting assaulted at work, they're dealing with
(09:45):
drunken violence, they're dealing with people who are injured from
drunken violence. That dealing with people who injured from crime.
So it goes back even further that this is a
classic example of how the label government failure to deal
with crime has impacted on people who aren't even because
of crime they're impacted on people like ambo. They're out
just trying to do their job and deserve to go
home safely, but they're getting assaulted at work.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Well, Jared Mailie, we are going to have to leave it.
They're good to speak with you this morning. I appreciate
your time.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Hurry, Thank you, Kay, thank you,
Now let's head across right now because joining me on
the line is the Deputy Opposition leader Jared Maylee. Good
morning to you, Jared.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good morning, Katie, Good morning with move mate.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Lots to cover off on this morning. We know that
the IKAC Commissioner has released a report into the twenty
twenty election and the travel that was undertaken in the
weeks leading into the election. There's been no adverse findings.
Do you think that that travel passes the pub test?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
No, look, it certainly doesn't, Kay. But before you go,
I just want to heard that story about that lady
getting a feel paid for. That is what the charity
is all about. In my view, Having people do that,
it's a show that we've gotten a great community spirit.
And are will donder that bloke who paid that money
and shake your hand.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I agree, what a good man. You know, it's hard,
it's hard out there sometimes and we're all sort of
struggling through with cost of living. And I don't know
what happened in Sonya's case, but you know she was
trying to sort things out. While she was trying to
sort things out, this bloke's paid for her. What a
good fella. And I do hope that they're.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Good and we've got some good people in the territory
and it shows that, it shows that they're still alive
and kicking, and hopefully we can get more of that
as we move forward. Yeah, in this world, I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I totally agree. Now, Jared, let me ask you in
terms of this IKAK report, what did you make of it?
Does it pass the pub test? No?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Look, Katie, it doesn't pass the pub test. It didn't
back into twenty twenty, and it certainly doesn't do that now.
You know, this is a clear example in my view,
of Michael Gunner going out using the public tax payer
money on voting day, remember on voting day in those communities,
and it just clearly doesn't pass the pub test. And
remember the ICIC he didn't make findings either way. He
didn't He couldn't find that he did or did not
(01:39):
engage in proper conduct. So it's not say, oh, it's
all good, is no findings against him. The IKAKS report
says that he made no findings that he did or
did not engage, So we don't know, and clearly it
doesn't pass the pub test in my view.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
So do you think that there needs to be some
serious changes to the rules so we don't have a situation,
no matter which government, no matter what political stripes, that
we do not have a situation where politicians are traveling
out to different electorates, to remote communities on polling day
to meet in adverted commas with those electorates.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah. Look, the Ministerial Code Conduct has already been upgraded
just this year in relation to i'd say in these
findings because you know they probably went out there, but
I'm sure they're on the mind of what's happening. There's
already been upgrade to strengthen those rules about what is
public for political transpaigning and that sort of stuff. So
(02:34):
there's already been upgrade in that because ultimately the government's
there to govern for the territory, not to campaign for
political party.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Well, this is the thing. And like I said, I
don't think it matters which political party you're talking about,
but the independence of the Greens, the opposition, whoever it
is of the day, don't have the ability to go
out there to those communities on the taxpayer's time, as
I understand it. So surely it is an unfair advantage
to ever to whoever is in power on that day.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Certainly an unfair advantage and we need to make sure
the rules are fair the government that governing for Territorians
and parties are about campaigning to get their candidates elected
into parliament, so we need to make sure there is
a clear distinction between that. And ultimately this really doesn't
pass the pup test and even happened in twenty twenty.
Michael Gunn is gone now, but it just doesn't pass
(03:24):
the top test, and it didn't back then, and again
it doesn't right now. Now.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I know that there has been some recommendations made, you know,
they vary, and I'll read all of those out throughout
the morning. But Jared, does the COLP believe that there
needs to actually be stronger rules in place so that
this kind of thing cannot happen again?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, there certainly needs to be some rules in place
because we need to make sure that we haven't open
and transparent government. And remember the Labor government brought out
a little document back in twenty sixteenth saying that we're
going to be open and transparent, and clearly they're not
and they haven't been, and we need to make sure
that we rebuild that trust in the government, because ultimately
the government of the day need to govern for territorians
(04:07):
and not governed for themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
So like, what would you propose that does happen that
you're not allowed to travel on the taxpayer's dime, or
that there's a certain amount of money that's maybe able
to be utilized to go out to different electorates for
all political parties.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, it's all about the timing these Michael Gunner, and
they went out on these three separate occasions on voting
day when that prepolling occurred in those electorates. So ultimately
there still needs to be a care taker mode and
we know that, and people do travel there, but you
can't have people traveling out to a remote community on
polling day and say it's not it's a ministerial travel.
(04:45):
Clearly that doesn't pass the pub dest And we need
to make sure the rules are clear that if there's campaigning,
it needs to be paid for by the party, and
if there's government legitimate government work, well then it can
go through through the taxpayer. But there's a clear life
then that needs to be drawn to make sure it
doesn't get crossed.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, look, I just do not think that it passes
the pub test to be going out to remote communities
or you know, to be using taxpayers doing polling day. Yeah,
that's well, this is the thing. Like to me, it
doesn't pass the pub test. I don't care who is
in power, it does not pass the pub test. But Jared, realistically,
the KA Commissioners, you know, like has said that there's
no adverse findings against Michael Gunner. What do you make
(05:25):
of that?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Well, Helen had there's no adverse findings against him. He
said he didn't make any findings, and it says he did.
He couldn't find he did or did not make, So
there's no he didn't make any findings at all. So
have you thrown the word no adverse findings against him?
That's not what the IK report says. It just says
I have made and I read it out to you,
I have not made findings that he did or did
not engage in proper conduct.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It was a very neutral response.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, look, I thought it said that the report had
found no adverse findings against the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner
or the Labor Party despite that using of the taxpayer funds.
But I'm happy, I'm happy to be corrected.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
No, no, I can read it. There's only short paragraphs
and this is what it says. This is that paragraph
sixty seven. Who wants to read the report before proceeding further,
It is appropriate to note that I have not made
any findings in respect of mister Gunner. That is, I
have not made finding that he did or did not
engage in proper conduct.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So what do you think that means? I mean, like,
you know, without I'm not like not trying to criticize
the K Commissioner, but it sounds like sitting on the fence.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well. Look, ultimately, there's a lot of information in this
KaiC report, and rules have changed since then. But it
seems to be for my reading of the report, and
remember it wasn't handed down to a very late last night,
and certainly people with smarter minds in mine are going
to go through this in word by word and interpret it.
But it seems to be that there may be some
definitions need to be cleared made stronger, so we know
(06:49):
what is political work and what is campaign work.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, look, I agree, and I know that the K
Commissioner has got a second report coming out as well,
is what I understand. So no doubt, will all be
care be an eye in this space. Hey, before we
wrap up this morning, we did actually ask you on
because I know that there was some questions asked yesterday
in Parliament of the Deputy Chief Minister Chancey Paike about
the Darwin Correctional facility that riot back in twenty twenty
(07:15):
and how much the damage cost, like how much needed
to be well, how much it cost to fix and
the insurance reimbursement. Was there any information gleaned?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Well, not really, Katie. Chancey just skirted around and didn't
answer the question like he normally does. But the facts
that there was a riote in back in twenty twenty
and the intimate damage bill was about forty million dollars
that from my understanding is hasn't been repaired yet and
it's still not actually operational that particular building that was burnt.
(07:47):
What we did find out was that there was about
a ten million dollar payment into the budget and we
asked if that was insurance. So what we were trying
to work out was did the insurance get ten million
dollars paid for the repairs and the repairs actually cost
forty million dollars, which means that the tax you know,
the territory mums the dad are going to stump up
(08:07):
thirty million dollars for this labor failure.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And so what no like, no real answers provided.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
No rel aanswers provided. He just skirted around and you
know who wouldn't give us any detail because he knows
what that the taxpayer. We've got to pay for their mistakes.
Data dumped this up. They've spent you know, forty million
and that was this is four years ago and it
still hasn't been repaired and they aren't going to get
an insurance built by the themes of about ten million dollars.
So the taxpayer's got to pay thirty million dollars for
(08:34):
our labour's failure.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And look, I did catch up with the corrections commission
of Matthew Valley a couple of weeks back. My understanding
is that it is very near to completion and being
back operational again and it hasn't sort of impacted their
day to day operations too badly, is my understanding. However,
this again, it is taxpayers money. We've got to make
sure that we are not using taxpayers money like its
(08:57):
monopoly money. At the end of the day, we are
eleven billion dollars in debt, so we've got to get
a bit smarter about the way in which things are
being spent. Hey, before I let you go, though, I
do want to ask about this, this review into our
ambulance services. So basically the Northern Territory government set to
undertake a third review into the ambulance services as cost
(09:18):
blowouts continue to plague the health system. What do you
make of this?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, look, ultimately this is the third review by the
global government. And remember the Labor government cut Saint John's
funding in twenty two to twenty three by about eight
hundred thousand dollars. So and really this goes back to
the Labour's failure in relation to dealing with crime because
the ambulance there, paramedics are completely under the pumping relation
to work. They're getting assaulted at work, they're dealing with
(09:45):
drunken violence, they're dealing with people who are injured from
drunken violence. That dealing with people who injured from crime.
So it goes back even further that this is a
classic example of how the label government failure to deal
with crime has impacted on people who aren't even because
of crime they're impacted on people like ambo. They're out
just trying to do their job and deserve to go
home safely, but they're getting assaulted at work.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Well, Jared Mailie, we are going to have to leave it.
They're good to speak with you this morning. I appreciate
your time.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Hurry, Thank you, Kay, thank you,
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