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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now. Earlier this week, Alice Springs are under Elders and
traditional Owners stood side by side with Jacinta Nampa Jumper
Price calling for the Prime Minister to launch an inquiry
into the Central Land Council. Now they stood with the
Senator who said the bullying, the poor governance and the
lack of accountability has reached a breaking point. Senator Namba
(00:22):
Jumper Price joins me on the line. Good morning to
your senator.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Now, Senator, the three are under elders alleged the recent
conduct of the Central Land Council breach the Aboriginal Land
Rights Act of nineteen seventy six. What exactly happened?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So the women that we have been concerned for some time,
and look, I've had traditional owners coming to me during
the whole time that I have sat as a Senator,
Law and Indigenous shown in back prior to But these
women came forward because they were concerned and about the
way in which the current chair has been treated by
(01:04):
the Central Land Council. We're talking about people, often whose
first language is in English, who are seeking change, seeking
better governance within the Land Council. The chair wanted to
move a motion at their last full council meeting dismissing
(01:25):
the CEO. The chair thought he was successful in that
nothing's come about as a result. There's all kinds of
stuff that is going on behind the scenes, and the
problem with land councils is that there is no transparency,
no accountability. There's things like minutes that should have been
taken that don't seem to exist anywhere. According to the Act,
(01:50):
those women, as traditional owners were told to leave that meeting,
and under the Land Rights Act they had every right
to be there. According to the Act, that right to
be there was breached and they were told to leave
that particular meeting. So, you know they're talking about and
(02:10):
I know that there have been groups in the past
who have looked at the idea of having breakaway land
councils because in their view, they want to be able
to have better employment, activity, economic outcomes by using their
own land. You know, they're sitting around going their land
councilors are supposed to be there to act in their interests.
(02:32):
Then why is there still poverty? Why isn't there any
economic development on their country? These are the questions that
they're beginning to ask.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, which I think is fair enough. You know, it's
very fair to ask those questions if they feel that
there haven't been those outcomes justin they're obviously calling now
for the Prime Minister to launch an inquiry into things.
What are they hoping that that inquiry finds?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So what they hope for? What I been I've been
asking for an inquiry Now We've put a motion on
the floor of the Senate twice. The Coalition has to
launch an inquiry into land councils and statugy authorities to
look at the governance issues. But this would offer the
opportunity to give those women and any other traditional owners
(03:19):
across the country the opportunity to come forward and to
be heard so that their concerns can be raised, you know.
And it's so it's so fascical that the Prime Minister
Anthony ALBINIZI, you know, we talk about giving ensuring that
we listen to Aboriginal people. They wanted to establish the
voice in order to do so, and I always argued
(03:41):
we have the capacity, we have already in place, the
mechanisms like inquiries to offer a voice to those that
need to be heard. And yet the Labor government, the Greens,
the likes of Senator Pocock and others in the cross bench,
voted this motion down. Every time. You know, Minister Melandery
(04:02):
has said she wants to work in a bipartisan capacity.
Now's the time to step up and to work in
that capacity for the benefit of traditional owners.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Jacindra, I want to ask you about another situation, one
which has been reported in the Australian newspaper this morning.
I'm sure you've probably seen it, a report by Liam Mendez.
Northern Territory police that's been reported were too busy to
conduct a welfare check on an Aboriginal woman nine hours
before she was found allegedly murdered by her partner, who'd
(04:31):
been banned from contacting her for two decades. So according
to the report last Thursday, he was well. The man,
who was previously known to police for domestic violence, was
charged with murdering his forty three year old partner after
she was found dead at a home in Darwin's Northern Suburbs.
Now sources have told The Australian that the police couldn't
(04:52):
attend that welfare check, which was requested by Territory families
at three PM the day before her death because of
higher priority incidents. I mean, it's a terribly, terribly tragic situation.
What do you I mean, have you read that story
and what do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, Look, it is extremely tragic and there are a
number of issues and a number of concerns taking place here.
You know, absolutely when it comes to domestic and family violence,
especially when there is a dev order against someone for
twenty years, then that alone should be priority enough for
(05:33):
police to well to prioritize that case in the first place,
to avoid I mean, let's face it, her death was avoidable.
There's that concern. There's the concern that you know, we've
always had that the police are very underresourced, but there's
the concern amongst officers with regard to the top brass
(05:57):
and you know, I guess in any other jurisdiction somebody's
head would roll for this occurring. And but there I
do know that there's a concern with amongst the police
that within the top brath there's a sort of attempts
at cover ups that occur. And this needs to be
looked at more broadly because how can the morale of
(06:18):
the police be lifted if there is a sense that
the top braths aren't effectively managing the situation, or supporting
officers or prioritizing making issues of domestic and family violence
and absolute priority that there should that an officer should
attend a welfare check well.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And according to this report, according to this report, it
says officers on the ground say the failure to conduct
the check was a prime example of the dire resourcing
issues police face every day. And I know I've spoken
to the police on so many occasions about the number
of callouts to domestic violence incidents. I mean, is it
(06:59):
time for us to to look at approaching the domestic
violence situation We've got the Northern Territory in some way differently.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Perhaps there is perhaps there needs to be a specific
task force that addresses that issue specifically. I mean, I
know that you know, the DV issue is massive, that
there's you know, the callouts are in the hundreds daily
throughout the Northern Territory when it comes to the DV issue,
and maybe there needs to be a DV specific task
(07:31):
force that addresses DV alone. I mean, it's huge, right,
and we have to take care of our police and
the same token because the PTSD that our officers experience
as a result of dealing with DV incidents and such
(07:52):
is huge, So we have to make sure that we're
taking care of our offices and more broadly as a community.
You know, the active class need to back off and
leave our police alone because we need them when it
comes to circumstances such as this. So we all have
a role in this, a role to play as well,
and I would urge the activist class to back off
(08:15):
our police officers so they can do their job, especially
in the northern territory where we do have the highest
rates of DV.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Senator, I know you very pressed for time, so just
a really quick last question this morning. I haven't spoken
to you obviously since the since the new government was elected,
aside from on Saturday on Sky what are you really
hoping to see? I know that Leo Fanocchiaro hitting the
ground running, but you know it's I guess they've got
(08:43):
to get stuck into work really very quickly, don't they.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, absolutely, and I know there's a level of urgency
that they're certainly feeling, but absolutely they need to figure
out who's going to be taking what in terms of
the ministry absolutely. But the crime issue, I know, is
something that been particularly passionate about and I feel they
will get stuck into and we as we learn, you know,
(09:09):
the crime hasn't stopped at all because there's been an election,
and so it's going to be a huge undertaking going
forward and it'll have to be immediately. But yeah, look,
it's been a great victory and I think just being
around the territory the last few days of just seeing
the sort of there has been a bit of a
lift of morale amongst territorians and a sense of hopes
(09:32):
going forward, which is great to see.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well, Senator j just sent a number Jumper Price. Always
good to catch up with you. Thank you so much
for your time today.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Thanks for having me Katie.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Thank you
Now. Earlier this week, Alice Springs are under Elders and
traditional Owners stood side by side with Jacinta Nampa Jumper
Price calling for the Prime Minister to launch an inquiry
into the Central Land Council. Now they stood with the
Senator who said the bullying, the poor governance and the
lack of accountability has reached a breaking point. Senator Namba
(00:22):
Jumper Price joins me on the line. Good morning to
your senator.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Now, Senator, the three are under elders alleged the recent
conduct of the Central Land Council breach the Aboriginal Land
Rights Act of nineteen seventy six. What exactly happened?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So the women that we have been concerned for some time,
and look, I've had traditional owners coming to me during
the whole time that I have sat as a Senator,
Law and Indigenous shown in back prior to But these
women came forward because they were concerned and about the
way in which the current chair has been treated by
(01:04):
the Central Land Council. We're talking about people, often whose
first language is in English, who are seeking change, seeking
better governance within the Land Council. The chair wanted to
move a motion at their last full council meeting dismissing
(01:25):
the CEO. The chair thought he was successful in that
nothing's come about as a result. There's all kinds of
stuff that is going on behind the scenes, and the
problem with land councils is that there is no transparency,
no accountability. There's things like minutes that should have been
taken that don't seem to exist anywhere. According to the Act,
(01:50):
those women, as traditional owners were told to leave that meeting,
and under the Land Rights Act they had every right
to be there. According to the Act, that right to
be there was breached and they were told to leave
that particular meeting. So, you know they're talking about and
(02:10):
I know that there have been groups in the past
who have looked at the idea of having breakaway land
councils because in their view, they want to be able
to have better employment, activity, economic outcomes by using their
own land. You know, they're sitting around going their land
councilors are supposed to be there to act in their interests.
(02:32):
Then why is there still poverty? Why isn't there any
economic development on their country? These are the questions that
they're beginning to ask.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, which I think is fair enough. You know, it's
very fair to ask those questions if they feel that
there haven't been those outcomes justin they're obviously calling now
for the Prime Minister to launch an inquiry into things.
What are they hoping that that inquiry finds?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So what they hope for? What I been I've been
asking for an inquiry Now We've put a motion on
the floor of the Senate twice. The Coalition has to
launch an inquiry into land councils and statugy authorities to
look at the governance issues. But this would offer the
opportunity to give those women and any other traditional owners
(03:19):
across the country the opportunity to come forward and to
be heard so that their concerns can be raised, you know.
And it's so it's so fascical that the Prime Minister
Anthony ALBINIZI, you know, we talk about giving ensuring that
we listen to Aboriginal people. They wanted to establish the
voice in order to do so, and I always argued
(03:41):
we have the capacity, we have already in place, the
mechanisms like inquiries to offer a voice to those that
need to be heard. And yet the Labor government, the Greens,
the likes of Senator Pocock and others in the cross bench,
voted this motion down. Every time. You know, Minister Melandery
(04:02):
has said she wants to work in a bipartisan capacity.
Now's the time to step up and to work in
that capacity for the benefit of traditional owners.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Jacindra, I want to ask you about another situation, one
which has been reported in the Australian newspaper this morning.
I'm sure you've probably seen it, a report by Liam Mendez.
Northern Territory police that's been reported were too busy to
conduct a welfare check on an Aboriginal woman nine hours
before she was found allegedly murdered by her partner, who'd
(04:31):
been banned from contacting her for two decades. So according
to the report last Thursday, he was well. The man,
who was previously known to police for domestic violence, was
charged with murdering his forty three year old partner after
she was found dead at a home in Darwin's Northern Suburbs.
Now sources have told The Australian that the police couldn't
(04:52):
attend that welfare check, which was requested by Territory families
at three PM the day before her death because of
higher priority incidents. I mean, it's a terribly, terribly tragic situation.
What do you I mean, have you read that story
and what do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, Look, it is extremely tragic and there are a
number of issues and a number of concerns taking place here.
You know, absolutely when it comes to domestic and family violence,
especially when there is a dev order against someone for
twenty years, then that alone should be priority enough for
(05:33):
police to well to prioritize that case in the first place,
to avoid I mean, let's face it, her death was avoidable.
There's that concern. There's the concern that you know, we've
always had that the police are very underresourced, but there's
the concern amongst officers with regard to the top brass
(05:57):
and you know, I guess in any other jurisdiction somebody's
head would roll for this occurring. And but there I
do know that there's a concern with amongst the police
that within the top brath there's a sort of attempts
at cover ups that occur. And this needs to be
looked at more broadly because how can the morale of
(06:18):
the police be lifted if there is a sense that
the top braths aren't effectively managing the situation, or supporting
officers or prioritizing making issues of domestic and family violence
and absolute priority that there should that an officer should
attend a welfare check well.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And according to this report, according to this report, it
says officers on the ground say the failure to conduct
the check was a prime example of the dire resourcing
issues police face every day. And I know I've spoken
to the police on so many occasions about the number
of callouts to domestic violence incidents. I mean, is it
(06:59):
time for us to to look at approaching the domestic
violence situation We've got the Northern Territory in some way differently.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Perhaps there is perhaps there needs to be a specific
task force that addresses that issue specifically. I mean, I
know that you know, the DV issue is massive, that
there's you know, the callouts are in the hundreds daily
throughout the Northern Territory when it comes to the DV issue,
and maybe there needs to be a DV specific task
(07:31):
force that addresses DV alone. I mean, it's huge, right,
and we have to take care of our police and
the same token because the PTSD that our officers experience
as a result of dealing with DV incidents and such
(07:52):
is huge, So we have to make sure that we're
taking care of our offices and more broadly as a community.
You know, the active class need to back off and
leave our police alone because we need them when it
comes to circumstances such as this. So we all have
a role in this, a role to play as well,
and I would urge the activist class to back off
(08:15):
our police officers so they can do their job, especially
in the northern territory where we do have the highest
rates of DV.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Senator, I know you very pressed for time, so just
a really quick last question this morning. I haven't spoken
to you obviously since the since the new government was elected,
aside from on Saturday on Sky what are you really
hoping to see? I know that Leo Fanocchiaro hitting the
ground running, but you know it's I guess they've got
(08:43):
to get stuck into work really very quickly, don't they.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, absolutely, and I know there's a level of urgency
that they're certainly feeling, but absolutely they need to figure
out who's going to be taking what in terms of
the ministry absolutely. But the crime issue, I know, is
something that been particularly passionate about and I feel they
will get stuck into and we as we learn, you know,
(09:09):
the crime hasn't stopped at all because there's been an election,
and so it's going to be a huge undertaking going
forward and it'll have to be immediately. But yeah, look,
it's been a great victory and I think just being
around the territory the last few days of just seeing
the sort of there has been a bit of a
lift of morale amongst territorians and a sense of hopes
(09:32):
going forward, which is great to see.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well, Senator j just sent a number Jumper Price. Always
good to catch up with you. Thank you so much
for your time today.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Thanks for having me Katie.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Thank you
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