September 3, 2024 • 14 mins
It is just over a week since the Lawler led Labor Government was ousted at the NT Election. The CLP currently looking as though they’ll have 17 seats, three Independents and five Labor members.
Territorians have been waiting to see who would take on the role of Opposition Leader.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But as I mentioned, we know that it's just over
a week since the Lawla led Labor government was ousted
at the Northern Territory election. The COLP currently looking as
though they'll have seventeen seats, three independents.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And five Labor members.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
One of those seats though still yet to be declared,
that is Nightcliff. Territorians have been waiting to see who
would take the role of opposition leader, and pleased to
say that the new Opposition leader, Selena Ubo, joins me
on the line.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good morning to you, Selena, Good.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Morning Katy, Good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good to have you on the show. Selena.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Was it a unanimous decision for you to become the
opposition leader?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yes, Katie, I've had the support of the caucus to
be the next Territory Labor Leader and our opposition leader
going into the Northern Territory the next four term, four
year term. So very excited, actually not naive at all
to the huge responsibility of this type of position. So
really looking forward to a challenge because I know it
will be a challenge, but ready to do the hard
(01:01):
work and to really rebuild the party as well.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Katie and Doran Young is the member for Daily and
going to be the deputy.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yes, that's correct, Katie. So he's got the support of
Caucus as well to lead us in that deputy role.
And Duran and I worked together in various roles in
the past. I know he's going to be a great
deputy and very loyal and love territory.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And you know, I've no doubt that a meeting had
to be held to make these decisions earlier in the work.
I mean, what was the tone of the meeting and
what was discussed aside from the leadership when you look
at the horrific results for you guys at the election
just over a week ago.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, Katie, of course the territory election results are a
big part of that meeting and will be continuous focused
for the ALP and T branch over the next coming
months to really dissect those results, but acknowledging of course
that Territorians have voted for that change, So I want
to understand and what that change looks like. Our job
in opposition will be making sure that the COLP government
(02:05):
is held to account on those promises and commitments that
they've made to territories. You want to make sure that
they deliver. We want to be constructive in opposition, Katie.
We don't want to be opposition for opposition's sake. We
want to make sure that Territorians are the winners and
get the best outcomes possible, and we want to continue
to deliver the territories in opposition.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I mean, how are the members, So the five of
you and I know we're still waiting to hear of
Natasha Philes. You know that Nightcliff set is declared, but
it is looking quite likely, isn't it at this point.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yes, that's correct, Katie. So Nightcliff is recounted this morning,
so we'll wait for those final results. Obviously, the declaration
from their Northern Territory Electoral Commission finalizers on Friday, so
any of those other type seats across the Northern Territory
will be formalized and declared by these Friday. So that'll
give everyone a bit of a picture by Friday afternoon
(02:56):
where things sit across the territory. But our team might
be small, Katie, but we're ready to take on that challenge.
We're all hard workers, we've got that experience of parliament
and we just sort of make sure that we continue
to advocate for the territories and the best delivery for
territories as possible.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, look, I think it's incredibly important that we have
a strong opposition no matter who is in power. You
need a strong government a strong opposition because that is
the best for all Territorians. I mean, Selena, how are
the five members feeling though right now following on from
that defeat and were there discussions about where it all
(03:32):
went wrong?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Well, Katie, of course he sort of spends the first
few days digesting those results for the territory election, but
also for us, particularly for Bush members. I mean, any
campaign is exhausting and tiring, but the Bush members, you know,
we're out fir sort of twelve eleven days before the
actual election day and doing the prepolls in very small
and large remote parts of the Northern Territory. So you know,
(03:57):
your physical and emotional exhaustion of just being on that
very very high intense campaign trail and then also then digesting,
as I said, emotionally and practically the results of the
territory election. So there's been a lot of discussion. Obviously,
lots of welfare check ins as well for colleagues, outgoing
colleagues you know our current colleagues who've made it through,
(04:20):
and there's a couple of people who will you know,
be able to support in that rebuild and that idea
of you know what the territory change will look like.
But again, keeping the new government to account is going
to be our main focus. But reconnecting with communities and
making sure that we really understand what that change, the
request of that change has been, and you know where
(04:44):
we may have gone wrong around not meeting community expectations.
How do we reset that and build that faith and
trust back in the Labor Party?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Where do you reckon it happened, Selena? Where did you
go wrong?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Where didn't you meet those expectations?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Well, that's what I'd love to digest and to add
a Katie, and they'll be you know, an internal party review.
The NCLT ALP branch as as the national branch will
really analyze those results. And again I've said this yesterday
when I got the leadership role. We want to digest
and analyze and learn those lessons, but I don't want
to jump to any conclusions until I've got that data
(05:18):
and making sure that we know can move forward. And
I think it's really important for territories, like you said, Katie,
to have a strong opposition. We want to be accountable
and we want to make sure the government's accountable as well.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Look, the big message that we heard very very loudly
and clearly from listeners, but even if you watched any
of the you know, the coverage in the leading to
the election was people were saying that they were really
upset about the.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Issues with crime.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Do you think that the Labor Party could have done
more around crime and the former government could have done more.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well, that's the sort of thing we'll look at, Katie,
and I think not meeting committee expectations, that's probably a
clear mandate of you know, where that big changes happened,
but what the change will look like and can the
colp rise to that challenge. I mean, there's never been
a government in territories history that's been able to stop crime,
So we ever want to see what are the mechanisms
(06:12):
and the policies or the programs that they put in
place so they can deliver on that expectation that territories
have given that really great and honorable responsibility to lead
them through the next four years of the territory's government
and making sure that there are those changes that people
expect and the community expects through the CLP.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Is the current opposition the new opposition going to support
Declan's Law when it is introduced into Parliament.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, Katie, we haven't seen any of the detail. Very
keen to work with the new government around what's best
to the Northern Territory. As I said, we want to
be constructive, we want to be proactive. We don't want
to be opposition for opposition's sake. We want to really
make sure that we dissect anything that happens in the
territory Parliament and really make the best outcomes for territory.
(07:00):
And so if it's changes to bail and what that
looks like through the proposed legislation that the CLP is preparing,
we're very happy to look at that. And you know
the job of opposition is to scrutinize and to make
sure things are accountable, and we're very happy to do that.
That's going to be our role and we're very open
to that, Katie.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Look, some people feel during the last few years that
Labor really lost its way with everyday territorians and went
sort of too far left. You know, lines like jailing
is failing. Race based politics seemed to really upset people
who were being broken into and felt like there was
a sense of lawlessness. Do you think that the party
(07:39):
was trying too hard to appease activists and left leaning
groups rather than listening to everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I think it's interesting, Katie, and I said it a
little bit earlier this morning in a different interview, that
government's role is to collate all of the views and
the expectations of all of the community that we represent.
Sometimes we're considered too far left, sometimes we're considered too
far right, but it's really trying to work in that entoground.
You're never going to please anyone in government, and that's
(08:08):
you know, just always the way of any government. But
you know, we we've also had the questions around you know,
did we ignore the Greens alignment of what would traditionally
then fall to labor because of our environment policy not
being strong enough. So, you know, there's always going to
be a too far pass.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I think if you look at the way people voted,
you can see that there was an absolute swing towards
the CLP, and they were really really clear on what
their you know, what their mandate was. Going to be
when it came to crime, and I've found it really
interesting people sort of saying that there's a huge swing
to the Greens, and look, I can see that there's
definitely been votes picked up in Fanny Bay and well
(08:46):
Fanny Bay for the Greens, but when you look at Nightcliff,
it's not a huge change going to the Greens with
those votes. In fact, it's a CLP who'd picked up
a huge volume of votes even in Nightcliff, which is
very traditionally a labor held seat. So I actually I
find that rhetoric quite interesting and and.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I'm kind of very interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Absolutely, test So that's the sort of thing we'll analyze.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, absolutely, So I guess I go back to, you know,
to the to the former question, do you think that
you guys did go too far left?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, I think what we'll do again, like I said Katie,
is learn those lessons. We really need to get some
experts in to look at those results and be very clear.
Obviously there was a change wanted, but what is that change,
what does it look like? And making sure that that
change is delivered on that's not going to be our
job of opposition. We can't dwell in the past. We're
going to have to move forward, but we will make
(09:42):
sure that we respect the change that territorients have out
you know, very clearly and outright asked for, and make
sure that that change is what they get. Now.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
In some of the more remote areas, the voter turnout
looks like it was quite low. I don't know how
it was in your electricate, Selena, but what do you
attribute that to and how do you think sort of
when we get to I know we're still looking sort
of four years down the track, but how do you
make sure people actually turn up to vote, whether it's
remote or in the city.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, Katie, that's interesting. I had probably about fifty five
percent of voters in the Artamal electorate turnout to vote.
I mean, the early vote centers in all of our
major towns and cities is great because if people are
out of community or homeland or their township, they get
an opportunity to vote. You know, some places literally have
a half hour window, so if you're not in your
(10:32):
homeland or community, you miss out unless you've got a
carb so then get yourself to a major sentence to vote, right.
You know, we've seen a rise in more postal votes
as well. But ultimately, Katie and I've done submissions for
several years now to the Joint Steering Committees parliamentary committees
federally around the resourcing of the Northern Territory, both the
(10:54):
NT Electoral Commission and the Australian Electoral Commission around Northern
Territory resources, Like you can't staff three people in the
territory to run elections and to resource the AAC. That's
just not fair when you're talking about voter equality, so
voter equity of access, and you know, you just can't
expect that there's going to be the right amount of
resources in the Northern Territory to make sure every single
(11:17):
person gets the vote and vote account, voter education and
first language voting resources. If we don't have that, Katie,
then you know there's also a layer of inequity in
the Northern Territory that definitely relies on the Northern Territory
being properly resourced and funded federally to make sure that
we have those clear resources, and we just don't, Katie.
(11:38):
We never have, and you know, I hope that we do,
but it'd be great to see the CLP also advocates
for that to make sure we've got the right resources
to ensure every single person gets an opportunity to vote
in the Northern Territory and that they vote count.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Selena, You've got a big job on your hands as
the new opposition leader. What you know, what are going
to be your first steps now? And you know, how
do you rebuild the Labor Party after the loss that
we saw. I mean, I know the COLP had to
do it eight years ago when they ended up with
just two members in Gary Higgins and Leo Finocchiaro. But
(12:11):
what are your next steps and how do you sort
of regain that momentum?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, Katie, I think first steps obviously that checking of
the chicking in of the around the changes and what
is it that people have clearly articulated through the results
of the territory election. Rebuilding the party, reconnecting across all
of the communities that the Northern Territory has diverse and
very thriving communities across the NT and connecting in that
(12:40):
role I think will be really important as we move forward,
not just as a party but also in opposition so
we can continue to advocate the Territorians. We want to
see that delivery for the territorians, and we want to
be constructive. Like I said, Katie, we don't want to
just sit around and bag out the government and bag
out the territory. We want to actually make sure that
things are better for the territory. Territory in are better off.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Do you feel like that's what the former opposition did,
just bagged out the government.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I feel there was there was negative It'll be interesting
to see what narratives change now in government. Obviously in
government you have more resources, you know, a lot more
You've got a clear agenda and priority to be able
to drive those clear values of the government of the day.
And we'll just keep the very close eye on that, Katie.
But I think, well, you know, with some of the
(13:28):
negative of around the territory, it will be very interesting
particular members who were in the previous term of the
Parliament that have been re elected in the CLP, what
their narrative will change now that they're in government or
will it not. So I'm just very interested to see
what will happen over the next couple of months with
the new CLP government.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Well, Seleia Ubo, congratulations on becoming the Opposition leader.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
No doubt we'll be talking to you a lot more often.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
There is you know, there's no shortage of things to
discuss around the Northern Territory always.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
We really appreciate your time this morning.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Thank you Katie very much, looking forward to more conversations,
and thanks to your listeners.
But as I mentioned, we know that it's just over
a week since the Lawla led Labor government was ousted
at the Northern Territory election. The COLP currently looking as
though they'll have seventeen seats, three independents.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And five Labor members.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
One of those seats though still yet to be declared,
that is Nightcliff. Territorians have been waiting to see who
would take the role of opposition leader, and pleased to
say that the new Opposition leader, Selena Ubo, joins me
on the line.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good morning to you, Selena, Good.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Morning Katy, Good morning to your listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good to have you on the show. Selena.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Was it a unanimous decision for you to become the
opposition leader?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yes, Katie, I've had the support of the caucus to
be the next Territory Labor Leader and our opposition leader
going into the Northern Territory the next four term, four
year term. So very excited, actually not naive at all
to the huge responsibility of this type of position. So
really looking forward to a challenge because I know it
will be a challenge, but ready to do the hard
(01:01):
work and to really rebuild the party as well.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Katie and Doran Young is the member for Daily and
going to be the deputy.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yes, that's correct, Katie. So he's got the support of
Caucus as well to lead us in that deputy role.
And Duran and I worked together in various roles in
the past. I know he's going to be a great
deputy and very loyal and love territory.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And you know, I've no doubt that a meeting had
to be held to make these decisions earlier in the work.
I mean, what was the tone of the meeting and
what was discussed aside from the leadership when you look
at the horrific results for you guys at the election
just over a week ago.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, Katie, of course the territory election results are a
big part of that meeting and will be continuous focused
for the ALP and T branch over the next coming
months to really dissect those results, but acknowledging of course
that Territorians have voted for that change, So I want
to understand and what that change looks like. Our job
in opposition will be making sure that the COLP government
(02:05):
is held to account on those promises and commitments that
they've made to territories. You want to make sure that
they deliver. We want to be constructive in opposition, Katie.
We don't want to be opposition for opposition's sake. We
want to make sure that Territorians are the winners and
get the best outcomes possible, and we want to continue
to deliver the territories in opposition.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I mean, how are the members, So the five of
you and I know we're still waiting to hear of
Natasha Philes. You know that Nightcliff set is declared, but
it is looking quite likely, isn't it at this point.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yes, that's correct, Katie. So Nightcliff is recounted this morning,
so we'll wait for those final results. Obviously, the declaration
from their Northern Territory Electoral Commission finalizers on Friday, so
any of those other type seats across the Northern Territory
will be formalized and declared by these Friday. So that'll
give everyone a bit of a picture by Friday afternoon
(02:56):
where things sit across the territory. But our team might
be small, Katie, but we're ready to take on that challenge.
We're all hard workers, we've got that experience of parliament
and we just sort of make sure that we continue
to advocate for the territories and the best delivery for
territories as possible.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, look, I think it's incredibly important that we have
a strong opposition no matter who is in power. You
need a strong government a strong opposition because that is
the best for all Territorians. I mean, Selena, how are
the five members feeling though right now following on from
that defeat and were there discussions about where it all
(03:32):
went wrong?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Well, Katie, of course he sort of spends the first
few days digesting those results for the territory election, but
also for us, particularly for Bush members. I mean, any
campaign is exhausting and tiring, but the Bush members, you know,
we're out fir sort of twelve eleven days before the
actual election day and doing the prepolls in very small
and large remote parts of the Northern Territory. So you know,
(03:57):
your physical and emotional exhaustion of just being on that
very very high intense campaign trail and then also then digesting,
as I said, emotionally and practically the results of the
territory election. So there's been a lot of discussion. Obviously,
lots of welfare check ins as well for colleagues, outgoing
colleagues you know our current colleagues who've made it through,
(04:20):
and there's a couple of people who will you know,
be able to support in that rebuild and that idea
of you know what the territory change will look like.
But again, keeping the new government to account is going
to be our main focus. But reconnecting with communities and
making sure that we really understand what that change, the
request of that change has been, and you know where
(04:44):
we may have gone wrong around not meeting community expectations.
How do we reset that and build that faith and
trust back in the Labor Party?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Where do you reckon it happened, Selena? Where did you
go wrong?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Where didn't you meet those expectations?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Well, that's what I'd love to digest and to add
a Katie, and they'll be you know, an internal party review.
The NCLT ALP branch as as the national branch will
really analyze those results. And again I've said this yesterday
when I got the leadership role. We want to digest
and analyze and learn those lessons, but I don't want
to jump to any conclusions until I've got that data
(05:18):
and making sure that we know can move forward. And
I think it's really important for territories, like you said, Katie,
to have a strong opposition. We want to be accountable
and we want to make sure the government's accountable as well.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Look, the big message that we heard very very loudly
and clearly from listeners, but even if you watched any
of the you know, the coverage in the leading to
the election was people were saying that they were really
upset about the.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Issues with crime.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Do you think that the Labor Party could have done
more around crime and the former government could have done more.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well, that's the sort of thing we'll look at, Katie,
and I think not meeting committee expectations, that's probably a
clear mandate of you know, where that big changes happened,
but what the change will look like and can the
colp rise to that challenge. I mean, there's never been
a government in territories history that's been able to stop crime,
So we ever want to see what are the mechanisms
(06:12):
and the policies or the programs that they put in
place so they can deliver on that expectation that territories
have given that really great and honorable responsibility to lead
them through the next four years of the territory's government
and making sure that there are those changes that people
expect and the community expects through the CLP.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Is the current opposition the new opposition going to support
Declan's Law when it is introduced into Parliament.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, Katie, we haven't seen any of the detail. Very
keen to work with the new government around what's best
to the Northern Territory. As I said, we want to
be constructive, we want to be proactive. We don't want
to be opposition for opposition's sake. We want to really
make sure that we dissect anything that happens in the
territory Parliament and really make the best outcomes for territory.
(07:00):
And so if it's changes to bail and what that
looks like through the proposed legislation that the CLP is preparing,
we're very happy to look at that. And you know
the job of opposition is to scrutinize and to make
sure things are accountable, and we're very happy to do that.
That's going to be our role and we're very open
to that, Katie.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Look, some people feel during the last few years that
Labor really lost its way with everyday territorians and went
sort of too far left. You know, lines like jailing
is failing. Race based politics seemed to really upset people
who were being broken into and felt like there was
a sense of lawlessness. Do you think that the party
(07:39):
was trying too hard to appease activists and left leaning
groups rather than listening to everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I think it's interesting, Katie, and I said it a
little bit earlier this morning in a different interview, that
government's role is to collate all of the views and
the expectations of all of the community that we represent.
Sometimes we're considered too far left, sometimes we're considered too
far right, but it's really trying to work in that entoground.
You're never going to please anyone in government, and that's
(08:08):
you know, just always the way of any government. But
you know, we we've also had the questions around you know,
did we ignore the Greens alignment of what would traditionally
then fall to labor because of our environment policy not
being strong enough. So, you know, there's always going to
be a too far pass.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I think if you look at the way people voted,
you can see that there was an absolute swing towards
the CLP, and they were really really clear on what
their you know, what their mandate was. Going to be
when it came to crime, and I've found it really
interesting people sort of saying that there's a huge swing
to the Greens, and look, I can see that there's
definitely been votes picked up in Fanny Bay and well
(08:46):
Fanny Bay for the Greens, but when you look at Nightcliff,
it's not a huge change going to the Greens with
those votes. In fact, it's a CLP who'd picked up
a huge volume of votes even in Nightcliff, which is
very traditionally a labor held seat. So I actually I
find that rhetoric quite interesting and and.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I'm kind of very interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Absolutely, test So that's the sort of thing we'll analyze.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, absolutely, So I guess I go back to, you know,
to the to the former question, do you think that
you guys did go too far left?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, I think what we'll do again, like I said Katie,
is learn those lessons. We really need to get some
experts in to look at those results and be very clear.
Obviously there was a change wanted, but what is that change,
what does it look like? And making sure that that
change is delivered on that's not going to be our
job of opposition. We can't dwell in the past. We're
going to have to move forward, but we will make
(09:42):
sure that we respect the change that territorients have out
you know, very clearly and outright asked for, and make
sure that that change is what they get. Now.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
In some of the more remote areas, the voter turnout
looks like it was quite low. I don't know how
it was in your electricate, Selena, but what do you
attribute that to and how do you think sort of
when we get to I know we're still looking sort
of four years down the track, but how do you
make sure people actually turn up to vote, whether it's
remote or in the city.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, Katie, that's interesting. I had probably about fifty five
percent of voters in the Artamal electorate turnout to vote.
I mean, the early vote centers in all of our
major towns and cities is great because if people are
out of community or homeland or their township, they get
an opportunity to vote. You know, some places literally have
a half hour window, so if you're not in your
(10:32):
homeland or community, you miss out unless you've got a
carb so then get yourself to a major sentence to vote, right.
You know, we've seen a rise in more postal votes
as well. But ultimately, Katie and I've done submissions for
several years now to the Joint Steering Committees parliamentary committees
federally around the resourcing of the Northern Territory, both the
(10:54):
NT Electoral Commission and the Australian Electoral Commission around Northern
Territory resources, Like you can't staff three people in the
territory to run elections and to resource the AAC. That's
just not fair when you're talking about voter equality, so
voter equity of access, and you know, you just can't
expect that there's going to be the right amount of
resources in the Northern Territory to make sure every single
(11:17):
person gets the vote and vote account, voter education and
first language voting resources. If we don't have that, Katie,
then you know there's also a layer of inequity in
the Northern Territory that definitely relies on the Northern Territory
being properly resourced and funded federally to make sure that
we have those clear resources, and we just don't, Katie.
(11:38):
We never have, and you know, I hope that we do,
but it'd be great to see the CLP also advocates
for that to make sure we've got the right resources
to ensure every single person gets an opportunity to vote
in the Northern Territory and that they vote count.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Selena, You've got a big job on your hands as
the new opposition leader. What you know, what are going
to be your first steps now? And you know, how
do you rebuild the Labor Party after the loss that
we saw. I mean, I know the COLP had to
do it eight years ago when they ended up with
just two members in Gary Higgins and Leo Finocchiaro. But
(12:11):
what are your next steps and how do you sort
of regain that momentum?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, Katie, I think first steps obviously that checking of
the chicking in of the around the changes and what
is it that people have clearly articulated through the results
of the territory election. Rebuilding the party, reconnecting across all
of the communities that the Northern Territory has diverse and
very thriving communities across the NT and connecting in that
(12:40):
role I think will be really important as we move forward,
not just as a party but also in opposition so
we can continue to advocate the Territorians. We want to
see that delivery for the territorians, and we want to
be constructive. Like I said, Katie, we don't want to
just sit around and bag out the government and bag
out the territory. We want to actually make sure that
things are better for the territory. Territory in are better off.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Do you feel like that's what the former opposition did,
just bagged out the government.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I feel there was there was negative It'll be interesting
to see what narratives change now in government. Obviously in
government you have more resources, you know, a lot more
You've got a clear agenda and priority to be able
to drive those clear values of the government of the day.
And we'll just keep the very close eye on that, Katie.
But I think, well, you know, with some of the
(13:28):
negative of around the territory, it will be very interesting
particular members who were in the previous term of the
Parliament that have been re elected in the CLP, what
their narrative will change now that they're in government or
will it not. So I'm just very interested to see
what will happen over the next couple of months with
the new CLP government.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Well, Seleia Ubo, congratulations on becoming the Opposition leader.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
No doubt we'll be talking to you a lot more often.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
There is you know, there's no shortage of things to
discuss around the Northern Territory always.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
We really appreciate your time this morning.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Thank you Katie very much, looking forward to more conversations,
and thanks to your listeners.
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