Red Wine Shame, Homophobic Blindsiding, and More with Kattie Laur

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Kattie: And my parents came into my room and they're like, we know how bad you feel. (00:00):
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Kattie: We're not going to like, I hope you've learned your lesson kind of thing. (00:04):
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Kattie: They didn't like harp on me too much. They just kind of opened the door and (00:08):
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Kattie: were like, we're very disappointed in you. And we know how bad you feel. (00:12):
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Kattie: So you're going to have to deal with this and see your grandma today. (00:16):
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Danny: Hi, and welcome to Five Random Questions, the show where every question is an adventure. (00:21):
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Danny: I'm your host, Danny Brown, and each week I'll be asking my guests five questions (00:26):
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Danny: created by a random question generator. (00:30):
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Danny: The guest has no idea what the questions are, and neither do I, (00:32):
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Danny: which means this could go either way. (00:35):
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Danny: So sit back, relax, and let's dive into this week's episode. (00:37):
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Danny: Today's guest is Kattie Laur, an award-winning freelance podcast producer and (00:41):
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Danny: writer based in Brantford, Ontario. That's in Canada, by the way. (00:45):
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Danny: She has a lifelong love of public radio and has been clinging to the podcasting space since 2013. (00:48):
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Danny: Kattie (00:53):
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Danny: writes a bi-weekly newsletter for the Canadian podcasting ecosystem, (00:53):
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Danny: Pod the North, whose regular readers include many media executives from the (00:56):
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Danny: likes of CBC Podcasts, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts. (01:00):
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Danny: She's also just wrapped the first season of her debut podcast, (01:04):
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Danny: Canardian, which took Canadian podcasters back to the roots to share gossip about their hometowns. (01:06):
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Danny: So Kattie, welcome to Five Random Questions. (01:11):
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Kattie: Thank you so much for having me, Danny. I'm so excited. (01:14):
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Danny: You're very welcome. And I feel obviously we'll get into our five questions (01:17):
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Danny: shortly, but I feel this may be the most important question of the day and that (01:21):
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Danny: is how many zucchinis have you been given by friends and family? (01:26):
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Kattie: I haven't been given any yet, but I have definitely been doling them out. (01:30):
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Kattie: I have a zucchini plant in my backyard that is producing like crazy. (01:34):
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Kattie: So I am the person sneaking them into everybody's cars and into everybody's (01:38):
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Kattie: purses. You know, zucchinis galore. (01:43):
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Danny: And it's, I mean, you mentioned on Twitter or X, if you want to call it X, (01:45):
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Danny: you want to be proper and, you know, go down that road. (01:48):
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Danny: But you did mention that this is the season. So, you know, you're warning everybody (01:51):
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Danny: to look out for zucchinis. (01:54):
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Kattie: Yeah. Look out for zucchinis in your passenger car seat. People be sneaking them everywhere. (01:55):
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Danny: They be sneaking them. I'm going to use that on a t-shirt. They be sneaking them everywhere. (02:00):
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Kattie: Zucchinis be sneaking. (02:05):
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Danny: I like it. That could be like a little gif or a meme or something. (02:06):
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Danny: And I mentioned there, you've just wrapped the first season of Canardian, (02:09):
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Danny: which funnily enough is your debut podcast. (02:13):
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Danny: Obviously you've been in the podcasting space for a while, but this is your (02:15):
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Danny: own debut podcast. So how do you find that? (02:17):
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Kattie: I am loving it. It's so relaxed. (02:21):
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Kattie: I think making my own podcast for just myself and doing whatever I want on it. It's been really nice. (02:24):
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Kattie: I don't feel that pressure to do anything as a people pleaser for other people. (02:30):
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Kattie: It just comes down to me and what I'm capable of. (02:36):
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Kattie: So I have been having a great time with it and I'm already in the works working (02:40):
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Kattie: on season two. So stay tuned. (02:44):
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Danny: Awesome. And it's a real interesting concept. Like you say, you take your guests (02:46):
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Danny: back to their hometown and their roots and you talk about some of the gossip from there. (02:50):
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Danny: So I'm curious, of all the episodes that you had and all the guests that you (02:55):
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Danny: had on and shared some amazing breaking news, if you like, it was pretty cool to hear. (02:58):
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Danny: What was the most outlandish or (03:04):
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Danny: unexpected fact that came from any of your guests about their hometowns? (03:06):
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Kattie: Oh, man. (03:10):
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Kattie: There is so much wild stuff that came up about it. (03:13):
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Kattie: I think talking to Niko Stratus about her hometown of Whitehorse was really (03:16):
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Kattie: interesting because I really have no context about what goes on in the northern hemisphere of Canada. (03:23):
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Kattie: And talking to her about the Sour Toe cocktail, which I only heard like a little (03:29):
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Kattie: bit about and was more familiar with Screechin, which is a East Coast thing in Canada. (03:34):
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Kattie: But the sour talk, Sour Toe cocktail for anyone who (03:39):
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Kattie: isn't familiar is essentially you go up to Whitehorse, and (03:42):
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Kattie: they have a preserved human toe that they (03:45):
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Kattie: put in a shot glass along with a liquor of your (03:49):
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Kattie: choosing. And you have to drink it, and the toe has (03:51):
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Kattie: to touch your lips and then you've been initiated into coming to Whitehorse, (03:54):
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Kattie: and if you eat the toe you get a massive fine. But there have have been people (03:59):
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Kattie: who come in with the money and slam it on the bar and just eat the toe and there's (04:04):
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Kattie: a variety of different toes like it's so nuts it's so nuts. (04:09):
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Danny: And that's the thing, I mean a, the the whole concept of the toe. I know like, you can (04:14):
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Danny: do that with like um worms or whatever and you know um tequila if you want to (04:18):
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Danny: do it properly you know the the proper way for tequila, but a toe like a physical toe being... (04:22):
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Kattie: A human toe. (04:27):
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Danny: But people willing to put that in their mouth and pay for the experience it just what. (04:28):
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Kattie: No i would never do that i would never that's. (04:32):
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Danny: It i mean if they did so if you i mean if they swallow it what's the process (04:36):
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Danny: there do you wait for this person to come back after nature's taken its course? (04:40):
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Kattie: No that's the thing, there's a variety of toes so people apparently, like I guess (04:44):
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Kattie: locals who pass away will sign a waiver to be like you can have my toe next like. (04:49):
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Danny: I don't know, Canadians (04:56):
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Kattie: They try not to get people to eat the toe that's why the fine is there, because (04:57):
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Kattie: if you eat it then they run out of toes and human toes are hard to come by i guess so. (05:01):
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Danny: There you go listeners if you've got a penchant for seeing what a dead person's (05:05):
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Danny: toe tastes like when mixed with your beverage of choice you know where to go (05:09):
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Danny: and hit Kattie up she can give you some tips on the best recipes i'm sure. (05:14):
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Kattie: Whitehorse, Yukon. (05:17):
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Danny: Awesome. So, so Kattie, as is our want, we are on Five Random Questions. (05:21):
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Danny: We have two there to start with, so that's a bonus. (05:25):
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Danny: So you get seven random questions today, I guess. (05:27):
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Danny: Anywho, let's see what the random question generator brings up. (05:29):
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Danny: Just a reminder to our listeners, as always, these are 100% random questions. (05:32):
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Danny: I've never seen them before. Kattie definitely hasn't seen them before. (05:37):
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Danny: And we'll just see where this takes us. (05:40):
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Danny: All right, Kattie, I like this one. Question one. When you're old or older. (05:43):
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Danny: Old. Now I'm going to go old, because you're not old. You're not even older (05:50):
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Danny: at the moment. Kattie, when you're old, what do you think children will ask you to tell stories about? (05:52):
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Kattie: Oh my God, this is such a deep question. I have to really think about this. (05:58):
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Kattie: I mean, I guess the worst case answer is snow and winter and maybe skiing. (06:04):
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Kattie: Actually, that might be my answer to this because growing up, (06:11):
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Kattie: I did ski racing all throughout my early teens and late teens and traveled around (06:15):
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Kattie: Ontario to different ski races and got to go to different hills. (06:22):
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Kattie: So I don't know. The ski season is already in decline. So I think maybe some (06:27):
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Kattie: kids might be asking me about winter sports about where it was, and I probably (06:31):
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Kattie: would end up telling them about winter sports too just because I can't help it I love winter sports. (06:36):
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Danny: I wonder if kids will even have snow when that's (06:41):
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Kattie: I wonder. (06:44):
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Danny: I mean when I'm older kids will still have snow because I'm old now so older is (06:45):
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Danny: probably like two months away! But yeah I just, I do wonder like you say I know (06:49):
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Danny: that the Canadian snow and skiing scene has been really impacted, (06:53):
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Danny: you know, by the warmer climate that's been, you know, affecting everything. (06:56):
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Danny: So yeah, so you mentioned ski racing. So were you a competitive skier then or (07:00):
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Danny: was it competitions that you entered? (07:05):
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Kattie: Yeah, I was like a semi-competitive racer. So I wasn't like the top of my team by any means. (07:06):
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Kattie: I skied out of a ski club called the Milton Heights Racing Club, (07:14):
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Kattie: just in in Milton, Ontario. (07:19):
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Kattie: And that took place at a hill called Glen Eden. (07:21):
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Kattie: And Glen Eden is a pretty small hill just off of the escarpment here in Ontario. (07:24):
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Kattie: And probably takes you about 30 seconds to ski down and about 15 minutes to (07:30):
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Kattie: go up on the chairlift. It took forever. (07:37):
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Kattie: So yeah, the Milton Heights Racing Club was a part of, I guess, (07:40):
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Kattie: an entire Ontario racing club competition. (07:43):
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Kattie: So I would go to other different clubs around Ontario usually every weekend and go do a race. (07:47):
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Kattie: And races were a variety of either a slalom race course or a Super G race course, (07:53):
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Kattie: which were either just depends on how close the gates are all together. (08:00):
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Kattie: Yeah, and I did that throughout all of my teen years. And it was super fun going (08:04):
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Kattie: to hanging out with my teen friends at different hotels across the province (08:08):
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Kattie: and going to ski races the next day. (08:13):
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Kattie: And I think by grade 12, I really wasn't, I wasn't expecting to continue racing after I graduated. (08:15):
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Kattie: So I was just taking it easy and hanging out with my friends. It was, it was great. (08:21):
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Danny: And you still ski now then? You still get up to any resorts, (08:25):
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Danny: et cetera? Because Ontario's got some amazing ones, right? (08:28):
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Kattie: Yeah, I still ski when I can. It's been a little bit tricky over the last few (08:31):
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Kattie: years, but my partner is a snowboarder. (08:34):
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Kattie: So we've been trying to go up skiing and going to Blue Mountain in Ontario, (08:36):
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Kattie: which is like sort of the biggest one Ontario has to offer. (08:40):
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Kattie: But yeah, the ski season has just been really awful the last couple of years. (08:44):
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Kattie: So we just haven't been able to like the timing just hasn't really worked out (08:48):
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Kattie: for us. So hoping to get back on the snow this year at some point. We'll see. (08:52):
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Danny: And I guess if the worst comes to the worst, if you ever find a severed toe (08:56):
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Danny: because it's been frozen in the snow, you know where to take it. (08:59):
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Kattie: Yep. (09:02):
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Kattie: Just go over to the Yukon and find some snow there. (09:04):
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Danny: Perfect. Perfect. So what would you tell kids, do you think? (09:07):
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Danny: What would you tell them about your time as a teen or just in skiing in general (09:10):
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Danny: and why it's such a cool thing to do? (09:14):
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Kattie: I don't know. I think I would maybe talk to them about, I think I would maybe (09:16):
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Kattie: tell them about my just experience as a teenager and a kid doing competition sports. (09:19):
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Kattie: I think it's such a fun part of life if you have the ability to do it. (09:26):
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Kattie: You make so many more friends outside of school. (09:30):
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Kattie: This was, if I was ending up in basically my exact parents shoes, (09:34):
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Kattie: I would probably be telling children that you don't have to be a copycat of your friends at school. (09:39):
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Kattie: You can make friends in other places and find people that you really get along (09:44):
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Kattie: with in a variety of different places to figure out who you really are. (09:49):
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Kattie: So I think skiing was such a great opportunity for me to be a part of a team (09:52):
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Kattie: and meet people outside of my hometown because people came from kind of across (09:57):
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Kattie: the Halton region to come to my ski place. (10:01):
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Kattie: So, yeah, I think that was a big part of me finding independence, was just making (10:04):
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Kattie: friends in a variety of different places. (10:08):
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Kattie: And I think team sports are a big, big part of doing that as a kid. (10:10):
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Danny: No, definitely. And hopefully kids will still be able to enjoy snow, (10:15):
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Danny: you know, when they're a bit older, and you're telling them and regaling them (10:19):
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Danny: of these tales. So that'd be awesome to hear, for sure. (10:22):
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Kattie: And if they can't, they can do my other winter sport, which was speed skating, (10:24):
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Kattie: which will take place indoors in a ski arena, or a skating arena, (10:29):
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Kattie: which hopefully will be still around in a number of years. (10:34):
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Danny: Yeah, I think they're still popular. Where we live, we have a little outdoor (10:37):
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Danny: skating rink that they put together. (10:41):
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Danny: So the community puts that together every winter. And that's getting used all (10:43):
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Danny: the time by the local kids, etc. So that's good to see. (10:46):
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Kattie: Amazing. (10:49):
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Danny: Definitely. all righty so that was an interesting one to kick the old episode (10:50):
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Danny: off with yeah, let's see where we go from here. Question number two - what's something (10:53):
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Danny: that you've tried that you'll never ever try again? (11:01):
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Kattie: Oh, these are such hard questions! Um, I immediately thought about food items but (11:06):
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Kattie: i'm I'm not a very picky person. (11:15):
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Kattie: You know what? If I can get really, really real about this, I think ecstasy. (11:20):
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Kattie: I've tried ecstasy before a couple of times in my early 20s, (11:27):
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Kattie: and it was an experience, but I don't think I will ever do it again. (11:31):
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Kattie: It is the worst that... People will try and convince you to do these types of (11:35):
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Kattie: drugs and tell you, hey, there's no hangover. (11:41):
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Kattie: It's great. It's the happiest you've ever felt in your life. (11:44):
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Kattie: And while you will feel very happy that night, the next day, (11:48):
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Kattie: I thought I was going to die. (11:51):
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Kattie: Straight up, it was the worst feeling of all time and definitely not worth it. So I would say... (11:53):
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Kattie: I wouldn't do any drugs other than weed, if I'm going to be totally honest. (12:00):
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Danny: No, I hear you. I mean, I was like, and I've never really shared this before (12:05):
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Danny: either. So you're getting on about with me here as well. So kudos there. (12:10):
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Danny: But yeah, I was like, I think 31, 32, I think, back in the UK. (12:13):
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Danny: And I never really tried any hard drugs. The main thing I tried was weed, (12:19):
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Danny: like you say. Seemed fairly popular. (12:23):
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Danny: And a bunch of friends said, so we're going to this rave down in Manchester. (12:26):
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Danny: Do you want to come? so I thought yeah cool I've never been to a rave. (12:29):
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Kattie: Oh, and in the UK that would be highly tempting I'm sure. (12:32):
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Danny: It was crazy it was a really good evening. Like, the the sounds, the visuals, everything - (12:34):
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Danny: great experience um but yeah I'm same as you I (12:39):
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Danny: tried uh some ecstasy and felt really (12:42):
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Danny: euphoric on the evening and that did help with the pulse and (12:45):
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Danny: bass, and all the lights that was going on. But the day after it's the (12:48):
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Danny: the worst like come down I guess, yeah, you know I felt lethargic, didn't want (12:51):
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Danny: to do anything. It has a really interesting side effect for men as well, which (12:56):
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Danny: makes a certain part of their body very very small um so i will leave that i (13:01):
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Danny: will leave that there. (13:06):
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Kattie: I feel, like that tells you everything you need to know though. I feel like your body (13:09):
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Kattie: is just in shock it's just like I am so tense but feel awful. Like, the entire (13:11):
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Kattie: day I don't think I got out of bed until like 5 p.m like it was brutal absolutely (13:18):
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Kattie: brutal i've never felt so awful in my life. (13:24):
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Danny: And I'm curious if you ever have kids of your own for example, um because obviously (13:27):
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Danny: you've had experiences of your your own, if they said they want to experiment (13:30):
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Danny: what would your advice to them be maybe? (13:34):
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Kattie: This is so funny because i was listening to a podcast yesterday that kind of (13:36):
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Kattie: um touched on this a little bit which was this guy was talking about how he (13:40):
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Kattie: had asked his mom about wanting to try weed. (13:45):
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Kattie: And he said, his mom said to him, well, you know, I've tried it before. (13:48):
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Kattie: It just kind of made me really sleepy and eat a lot. And it's not really my thing. (13:54):
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Kattie: And he was like, oh, okay, well, that doesn't sound very exciting to me. (13:58):
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Kattie: So he just never ended up smoking weed. And he didn't end up trying it until he was in his early 30s. (14:02):
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Kattie: Because he just had no interest in it. He didn't really care. (14:08):
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Kattie: And to this day, he's not like a big drinker. He's definitely not a drug user, (14:11):
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Kattie: like he just isn't into that stuff. (14:15):
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Kattie: And not like, I think that's the ideal outcome for everybody that they want for their child. (14:18):
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Kattie: I don't know if it's necessarily realistic. (14:23):
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Kattie: But I think if I had a kid and they asked me about drugs, I'd probably be just (14:25):
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Kattie: as honest as I'm being right now about how it was. (14:30):
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Kattie: Like you feel good the night before, you feel like trash the next day. Like. (14:33):
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Kattie: You can't stop kids from trying something anyway, especially if you say no, (14:38):
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Kattie: they're usually going to say they're usually going to do it, I feel like. (14:42):
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Kattie: So I just try and be honest about it and be like, it's up to you. (14:46):
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Kattie: But I wouldn't recommend going crazy about this. (14:50):
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Kattie: And if you want to try it, try a small amount first kind of thing and go from there. (14:54):
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Kattie: Or if something is definitely extremely dangerous, I'd be like, (14:58):
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Kattie: this is how dangerous this is. maybe send them some articles and just be like (15:01):
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Kattie: read this before you decide to make this decision. (15:06):
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Danny: Well that's it's like you say it's that fine line where you're trying to (15:09):
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Danny: a um not be judgmental because you did the same (15:12):
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Danny: thing you know as a younger person um so they can throw that back you. But as (15:15):
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Danny: you say, you don't want to put them, you don't want to encourage them by trying (15:19):
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Danny: to put them off too much because then it's just going to make them rebel that's (15:22):
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Danny: what kids do, that's what we did as kids, we rebelled against whatever our parents (15:25):
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Danny: told us not to do we would. So I can imagine it being like, thankfully, (15:29):
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Danny: I've not had that discussion yet or had to have it with my kids. (15:32):
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Danny: Not looking forward to that. We'll see how that goes. (15:36):
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Danny: But yeah, I feel like that's almost most things that make you feel great at (15:38):
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Danny: the time when you're enjoying lots of ice cream, for example, (15:45):
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Danny: all the burgers, all the whatever at a food fest. (15:48):
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Danny: But then you know you're going to pay for it the day after you know in not a (15:52):
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Danny: good way and maybe that's the reason they do that you know maybe they're trying (15:55):
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Danny: to give you a lesson say well if you're stupid enough to come back the week (15:59):
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Danny: after after having gone through that more fault you. (16:02):
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Kattie: This is what happened to me as a kid when I was, I think, maybe 15 or 16. (16:06):
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Kattie: I went to a Halloween party and definitely drank way too much red wine. (16:10):
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Kattie: And my mom picked me up from that party. And I just she's like, (16:15):
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Kattie: I remember the door opening and you just falling out of the door. And I was like, oh, no. (16:18):
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Kattie: And my parents were like, Kattie doesn't drink. (16:23):
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Kattie: She doesn't do any of these bad things. (16:25):
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Kattie: And so that was like the shock of their life was seeing me just inebriated coming (16:28):
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Kattie: out of a friend's house. And the next day I had to go visit my grandma and I (16:32):
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Kattie: felt like absolute trash. (16:36):
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Kattie: And my parents came into my room and they're like, we know how bad you feel. (16:38):
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Kattie: We're not going to like, I hope you've learned your lesson kind of thing. (16:43):
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Kattie: They didn't like harp on me too much. They just kind of opened the door and (16:47):
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Kattie: were like, we're very disappointed in you. And we know how bad you feel. (16:51):
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Kattie: So you're going to have to deal with this and see your grandma today. (16:55):
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Kattie: So I was like well I definitely have learned my lesson I think. (16:58):
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Danny: Well and self-punishment is often the best kind of (17:03):
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Danny: punishment because you know I don't want to do that again. Yeah autonomy punishment. (17:06):
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Danny: Autonomy punishment - there you go, that's a great band name you can see like an (17:10):
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Danny: alt rock band from from Brantford popping up there. Awesome. So there you go kids (17:14):
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Danny: just say no. Let's have a look at (17:20):
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Danny: question number three. (17:23):
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Danny: Ooh, now here's an interesting one. Question three, Kattie, what would be harder (17:26):
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Danny: for you (17:31):
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Kattie: Ooh, this is such an interesting question because in one instance, (17:36):
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Kattie: this is really a question around would you rather be rejected or reject someone? (17:41):
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Kattie: And rejection is so hard on both ends. (17:46):
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Kattie: I think I think it would be harder for me to tell someone I don't love them back. (17:50):
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Kattie: I have like pretty high people pleasing tendencies. (17:57):
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Kattie: And I think like when I love something, I really do love something and I'm pretty (18:01):
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Kattie: obvious about it too. So I think it'd be pretty easy for me to tell somebody I love them. (18:04):
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Kattie: I don't think it's easy for me to like fall in love. But I think if I got there, (18:09):
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Kattie: I could definitely tell them. (18:13):
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Kattie: But yeah, to tell them I don't love them back would be extremely difficult. (18:15):
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Danny: Have you ever been in a position where you've been with someone and they're (18:21):
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Danny: clearly more into you than you are into them? (18:24):
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Danny: And if so, maybe not in a love factor, but certainly in a relationship before (18:28):
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Danny: love was involved, for example. (18:33):
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Danny: How did you deal with that? How did you manage that then? (18:34):
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Kattie: Interesting. Honestly, like, no. My dating and romantic history has pretty much (18:37):
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Kattie: always been being dumped and basically just ending up in the friend zone with everybody. (18:45):
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Kattie: But there was one instance that I can think of. I got out of a long-term, (18:50):
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Kattie: like a three and a half year relationship right after university, (18:54):
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Kattie: at the end of university. (18:58):
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Kattie: And that was like basically all of my early 20s (18:59):
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Kattie: and late teens so I was ready to date at (19:02):
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Kattie: that point. Um, so I spent like basically (19:05):
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Kattie: a year dating and that's when I kind of (19:08):
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Kattie: had these instances and there was one specific person (19:11):
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Kattie: that I can tell you the the story about, telling them and rejecting them. Um, and (19:14):
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Kattie: actually we went on a lot of really fun dates and had a lot of fun a lot of (19:19):
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Kattie: fun together, and it was clear that he was really into me and I usually always (19:23):
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Kattie: had to tell him like, hey I'm just sort of out here dating I just got out of (19:26):
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Kattie: a long relationship. I'm not ready to make anything serious. (19:30):
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Kattie: And I think because he kept pestering me a bit, it was easier for me to tell (19:34):
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Kattie: him because it was starting to get a bit annoying. (19:38):
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Kattie: And I wasn't in the headspace where I was taking dating very seriously at that time. (19:40):
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Kattie: And then eventually we went on a date and he made some homophobic remarks, (19:45):
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Kattie: which made rejecting him a lot easier for me. (19:50):
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Kattie: And at the end of that date, I was like, sorry, this is, I don't like you. (19:54):
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Kattie: I I don't like that behavior and we're done here. (19:59):
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Kattie: And he was pretty upset about that. (20:02):
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Kattie: But I was able to be like, no, we're done. That's the biggest instance I have of that. (20:06):
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Danny: It always surprises me. Well, I guess not, because, I mean, obviously people (20:11):
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Danny: are different in what they share openly and what they keep until they feel they (20:14):
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Danny: can share that, because they might have seen something else in that person. (20:20):
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Danny: But it always kind of surprises me when people, because most people that are (20:23):
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Danny: good people, that are open and accepting, make that very clear. (20:28):
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Danny: It comes across when you're talking about people, when you're in environments, etc. (20:32):
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Danny: So it always surprises me when when someone comes out that's been with you a (20:36):
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Danny: while, or around you for a while, comes out with something that's completely opposite (20:40):
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Danny: to what they must know about you as a person and just come up straight out and say something like that. (20:44):
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Kattie: Yeah it is so interesting like you should know me well (20:49):
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Kattie: enough we've gone on like what four or five dates now, (20:52):
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Kattie: and i'm pretty obvious about the things that i value in life and uh yeah it's (20:55):
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Kattie: so interesting when that happens you're like, wait have we been like have we (21:00):
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Kattie: been on the same page this whole time? Clearly not. It's so so wild in that instance (21:05):
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Kattie: too because you're just like what has this been this whole time exactly. (21:10):
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Danny: And that must have come a bit of a surprise for you because you mentioned you've (21:14):
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Danny: been on some amazing dates I guess, up until that point yeah, there'd be no sort (21:16):
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Danny: of red flags or warning signs that this person was homophobic. (21:21):
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Kattie: Totally yeah and it was it was a super surprise. And I think this is a super (21:24):
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Kattie: stereotype, but one of the funniest parts to me was that he was a barista at Starbucks, (21:29):
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Kattie: which is like, there are so many people in the LGBTQ community who are baristas and work at Starbucks. (21:34):
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Kattie: I'm like, what is up with you, man? Like, you work amongst these people all (21:41):
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Kattie: the time. Like, what is wrong? (21:46):
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Danny: That's crazy. I know my friend over in Toronto likes to go to Starbucks for that very reason. (21:48):
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Danny: Who's a cute one that's on barista duty today? So I hear you. (21:54):
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Danny: Yeah, that would be a deal breaker for me, 100%. I think for most people as well. (21:57):
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Kattie: I would hope so. (22:02):
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Danny: Definitely. (22:03):
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Danny: And now back to this week's episode. (22:25):
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Danny: All righty. So we're going through this. This has been some interesting questions. (22:31):
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Danny: Yeah, I have very interesting answers. I'm enjoying this. (22:35):
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Danny: Let's see what we have in store for question number four. (22:38):
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Danny: Hmm. Interesting one. Okay. (22:43):
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Danny: If you could question four, if you could disinvent one thing, what would it be? (22:47):
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Kattie: Patriarchy. If we could go way back in time and really look at leadership roles in communities (22:56):
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Kattie: and start working with the matriarchy i would love to see where the world would be right now. (23:02):
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Danny: And it's crazy because you look at um obviously (23:08):
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Danny: most of the powerful roles since history as (23:11):
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Danny: you mentioned since like politics began, and presidents and all that (23:14):
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Danny: have been men and look where (23:16):
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Danny: it's got us. You know, we're looking, you look at all wars have (23:19):
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Danny: started you look at you know um all the sort (23:22):
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Danny: of right-wing crap that's coming out, and obviously there are right-wing women (23:25):
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Danny: as well as there are men, but if you look at the the political leaders and everything (23:29):
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Danny: like that, it it does seem that we need... well it doesn't seem, it is we need to (23:33):
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Danny: give a fair shot and it's about time (23:38):
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Danny: we give a shot to women leaders. And unfortunately, if you look at uh some (23:40):
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Danny: of the women leaders that's been in place they've been forced out again because (23:45):
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Danny: of you know the old uh the old school tie network unfortunately. (23:48):
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Kattie: It, it's so wild the more you think about how (23:53):
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Kattie: deeply embedded male leadership is in society (23:56):
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Kattie: even like around the world and i've been (23:59):
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Kattie: learning a lot through um some actually some indigenous podcasts (24:02):
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Kattie: that i've been producing uh around matriarchy. And, (24:05):
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Kattie: and just thinking about how embedded in leadership women have been in the past (24:09):
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Kattie: and then sort of pushed out of that is so interesting to know that we really (24:15):
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Kattie: don't have any perception of what a women-led society is or would be at this point. We have no idea. (24:21):
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Kattie: I think we could probably look at New Zealand and their prime minister there, (24:29):
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Kattie: but it's because of the nature of it still being within a democratic society. (24:33):
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Kattie: It's still different right like we it could be a (24:37):
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Kattie: totally different type of political uh leadership (24:40):
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Kattie: style if women had been in charge from the beginning, so like we really have (24:44):
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Kattie: absolutely no perception and that's why sci-fi can be such a great genre, because (24:49):
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Kattie: people imagine these things in a variety of different ways and i think that's (24:53):
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Kattie: what makes you and I Star Wars fans too, so yeah, (24:58):
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Kattie: But it's, yeah, I think it would just be so interesting to see where things (25:02):
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Kattie: would be right now if women had been in charge of all these things. (25:06):
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Kattie: I wonder if colonialism would have even happened. (25:11):
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Danny: That's a good question, because I'm obviously, as you mentioned, (25:13):
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Danny: you work with a lot of indigenous podcasters. (25:16):
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Danny: And you're one of the things I always appreciate about your newsletter is you (25:18):
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Danny: share water advisories for indigenous communities, communities (25:22):
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Danny: and yeah it's again you go (25:25):
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Danny: back to i guess maybe because i mean (25:27):
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Danny: i'm thinking of the the European colonization as well, um (25:30):
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Danny: a lot of that was by decree of Queen (25:33):
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Danny: um Elizabeth i feel the first (25:36):
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Danny: one, is it Queen Victoria maybe. So i mean i i do feel the majority is obviously (25:39):
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Danny: male driven, um because you just have to look at political histories to see what (25:44):
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Danny: what happens there, so it would be curious to see if that would be if it would (25:48):
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Danny: be there and even if it was there to what degree. Would it still be there but (25:52):
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Danny: to a smaller degree or would it not be there whatsoever yeah? (25:56):
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Kattie: So interesting, so interesting. (25:59):
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Danny: What's funny as well, yeah it's not funny, you mentioned the (26:02):
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Danny: New Zealand prime minister and she got forced out if i recall because (26:05):
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Danny: she had the audacity to enjoy herself a nightclub one time, and there was a huge (26:08):
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Danny: like discourse about it and like political opponents were hammering her and (26:15):
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Danny: she was, she just got bombarded. And you flip that to the other side and you look (26:19):
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Danny: at Justin Trudeau was over in the UK and okay, (26:23):
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Danny: he got a bit of a flak for being at, (26:26):
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Danny: I don't know if it was a nightclub or a restaurant or something, (26:29):
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Danny: he was having some fun, relaxing, letting his hair down when he should have been at this big event. (26:32):
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Danny: And you're thinking, come on, even as a politician, there's a time when your (26:36):
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Danny: day job stops and you can just have fun. (26:42):
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Danny: And I feel there's a lot more criticism of women leaders and higher standards to live up to there. (26:43):
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Kattie: Totally. And if you think about Donald Trump, who literally owns party venues (26:51):
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Kattie: and is there all the time, like, what is he doing the majority of the time? (26:55):
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Kattie: I'm sure it's not work. I'm willing to put money on that. (27:00):
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Danny: I think he's probably eating burgers. I don't know if he's got a bowling alley (27:03):
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Danny: at the Mar-a-Lago. He probably has. He golfs a lot, obviously. (27:06):
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Kattie: Yeah. (27:09):
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Danny: Interesting, interesting. So disinvent patriarchy. (27:10):
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Kattie: Yeah. (27:13):
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Danny: Alrighty. (27:14):
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Kattie: Not a simple task, but we're imagining here. (27:15):
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Danny: Yeah, and it's interesting because I was expecting maybe disinvents or something (27:19):
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Danny: that had been invented from a technical point of view or whatever, (27:23):
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Danny: but I like that. I like that a lot. (27:25):
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Danny: Alrighty, so we've reached question number five. We've flown through this and (27:28):
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Danny: it just shows when you're having fun and a great conversation, time does fly. (27:31):
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Danny: So let's see how we can wrap this one up, Kattie. (27:35):
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Danny: Okay. Question number five. And I feel I may have an idea here, (27:38):
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Danny: but I'm not going to put my life on it. (27:42):
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Kattie: Yeah, definitely don't do that. (27:44):
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Danny: I'm not going to put my Toonie or Loonie on it. That's Canadian dollar and two (27:46):
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Danny: dollars for our non-Canadian listeners. Okay, Kattie. (27:49):
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Danny: Question number five. What do people do too much of today? (27:53):
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Kattie: Oh, man. (27:58):
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Kattie: These are such hard questions and there's absolutely no way to prepare for them either. (28:01):
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Danny: That's the beauty of randomnicity. (28:07):
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Kattie: What do people do too much of today. Um, I (28:09):
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Kattie: think people are just (28:13):
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Kattie: like too chronically online, I think (28:16):
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Kattie: that's my answer. They do too much of of trying (28:18):
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Kattie: to find themselves through the internet and maybe just (28:22):
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Kattie: yeah i don't know if that's a very clear answer. (28:25):
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Kattie: But it would be nice if people felt like they (28:28):
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Kattie: could uh turn off their phones and just (28:31):
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Kattie: like exist in the world again. Um, a (28:34):
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Kattie: podcast i was listening to yesterday, Resurrection, which i (28:38):
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Kattie: have to shout out it's a wonderful podcast um and (28:41):
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Kattie: the story kind of follows two lovers (28:44):
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Kattie: sending letters to each other and having phone calls uh living abroad. And i (28:48):
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Kattie: was like oh man i refer, i remember that, being a time when i was a kid going (28:53):
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Kattie: to camp and sending letters to my family and being so disconnected and living (28:57):
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Kattie: in the moment, and still kind of communicating when the time was right. (29:02):
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Kattie: And in those instances of communicating with your friends and loved ones through (29:07):
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Kattie: letters and phone calls that aren't as often and easily accessible, (29:11):
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Kattie: it makes those connections just so much more valuable. (29:15):
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Kattie: And this podcast, Resurrection, there's an entire, the first season includes (29:19):
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Kattie: an entire stack of hundreds of love letters. (29:23):
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Kattie: And it's only the one side of these love letters and seeing kind of how they've (29:26):
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Kattie: interacted and how the breaks between the times are when they were together. (29:30):
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Kattie: So there is no documentation. (29:35):
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Kattie: They were just living in the moment and we'll never know what that was like. (29:36):
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Kattie: But then you get the letters from (29:39):
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Kattie: when they're separated and you kind of understand their love story there. (29:40):
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Kattie: And I don't know, I think, yeah, not being so chronically online would make (29:43):
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Kattie: people less depressed, would make people hate themselves less, (29:48):
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Kattie: I think, and find more joy in the world, I would hope. (29:53):
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Danny: And it's interesting you mention a time of, you know, sending letters, (29:56):
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Danny: exchanging letters, etc. (30:00):
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Danny: When I was a teen, and we're going back years here, mid-80s, (30:01):
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Danny: my first serious girlfriend, we ended up being together for four years. (30:05):
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Danny: But this was way before the internet, obviously. So we would either be on the (30:09):
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Danny: phone, like a landline phone with a big cable, no cell phones, (30:14):
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Danny: no mobile phones or anything, or we'd write each other a letter once a week. (30:16):
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Danny: And now and again we'd put little mixtapes in (30:19):
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Danny: with these letters and we'd have the the track listing (30:22):
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Danny: on the letters, and an explanation of why that song was added. (I love this). It (30:25):
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Danny: was amazing and like i say this was going back, oh my grief 40 years now at least, (30:30):
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Danny: um and yeah now i feel like my kids now they've just started having their own (30:35):
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Danny: phones so they'll text. My son, my 14 year old son has got his first girlfriend. (30:41):
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Danny: Oh, second girlfriend, actually. Oh, yeah. A little bit of a player. (30:45):
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Danny: A little bit of a player on that one. (30:50):
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Danny: But yeah, second girlfriend, but they're texting all the time. (30:51):
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Danny: And I feel that's great, but I feel there's something just missing to your point of, you know, (30:54):
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Danny: I was watching the Glastonbury Festival. BBC kindly streamed it for the first (31:00):
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Danny: time and they streamed a Coldplay concert and I was watching that and at the (31:05):
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Danny: end, they were doing their encore and Chris Martin, (31:09):
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Danny: they were doing Galaxy of Stars, I think it's called, or Universe of Stars, Sky of Stars. (31:12):
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Danny: The song that's got stars in it. And he said before he started, (31:17):
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Danny: okay, this is just going to be me, the band and you guys. (31:20):
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Danny: So put your phones in your pockets, put them all away and we're just going to (31:23):
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Danny: be in the moment and sing this song together and be a 100,000 piece band. And (31:25):
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Danny: everybody did that, you watched it and it was amazing and I was getting goosebumps (31:29):
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Danny: just watching that performance because nobody was on the phone. (31:33):
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Kattie: Yeah I think it's interesting like the novelty of (31:37):
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Kattie: connection is almost gone now because it just feels so accessible, at least in (31:41):
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Kattie: the western world, so it's just so interesting that it almost, you almost take (31:47):
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Kattie: your relationships and the people that you meet for granted at this point because (31:52):
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Kattie: they're just so accessible and easy to reach. (31:56):
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Kattie: Um yeah it's i think that and also (31:59):
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Kattie: i've made a conscious effort too because i love taking photos and videos and (32:02):
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Kattie: everything and with my phone, it's been so easy to do that um and especially (32:06):
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Kattie: like great quality photos and videos too, like phones are so amazing. And i've (32:10):
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Kattie: purposely tried to take a shift, have like a little bit of a mindset shift in (32:15):
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Kattie: that i'm taking photos and videos for (32:19):
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Kattie: myself and not to post online. (32:22):
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Kattie: And one of my, I still like look through all the photos that I've taken over (32:25):
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Kattie: the number of years on like my Facebook albums and all the old photos I've taken. (32:29):
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Kattie: So I love looking at photos and videos. (32:34):
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Kattie: So now I'm just like trying to purposely take my mind out of like, (32:36):
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Kattie: this is something I want to post and share with the world. (32:39):
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Kattie: And this is just something that I want to like look at later and document for another time. (32:42):
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Kattie: This is something I've been thinking about out a lot lately, is just like making (32:46):
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Kattie: sure that I track things in my life for myself future down the line when I can (32:49):
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Kattie: look back at my life and yeah, not feeling the pressure to share with everybody all the time. (32:54):
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Danny: And I wonder if the new, so next year, I think, the new curriculum in Ontario (33:00):
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Danny: for schools, elementary and high school, there's a restriction on phone usage (33:04):
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Danny: and social media usage in class, etc. (33:09):
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Danny: I wonder if that will help maybe encourage more of our kids to be, (33:11):
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Danny: obviously, parents have got the job to encourage and educate the dangers of online. (33:15):
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Danny: But while encouraging, but we don't want to stop you using technology. (33:19):
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Danny: We just want to use it effectively, like you mentioned. So I wonder if that (33:23):
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Danny: curriculum might help, do you feel, for moving forward? (33:26):
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Kattie: I would hope so. I mean, I think if anything, like just living in the moment (33:30):
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Kattie: a little bit more, it will help with that. (33:33):
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Kattie: Help people focus on classroom content rather than things to post and looking online all the time. (33:35):
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Kattie: Yeah, we're just so used to absorbing so much content at the same time now. (33:43):
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Kattie: I feel like it might be a little bit tricky for people to get used to it again. (33:47):
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Kattie: But I have like a bunch of canoe trips planned this summer and cannot wait to (33:50):
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Kattie: just like be, be somewhere where I have absolutely no internet access. (33:56):
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Kattie: Don't feel the pressure of people reaching out to me and people I have to get back to. (34:00):
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Kattie: Don't feel the pressure of needing or wanting to post things. (34:04):
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Kattie: I can just live in the moment, hang out with my family and just enjoy life. Ready for that. (34:07):
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Danny: And canoeing is perfect for that. Getting out on the water just because it's (34:14):
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Danny: just, it's so like going back to basics of humanity, right? (34:18):
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Danny: It's just, I love, we are very fortunate. and we have a lake about 20 minutes walk from our house. (34:21):
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Danny: So I'll take, I've got a lot of, certainly blow up inflatable kayak. (34:28):
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Danny: So I'll take that up, just get it off and then disappear for a couple hours. It's gorgeous. (34:31):
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Kattie: That sounds perfect. (34:35):
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Danny: And I guess it's like, hopefully, I mean, the problem is the genie's at the (34:37):
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Danny: bottom when it comes to tech, but hopefully, like you say, if we can shift mindsets (34:40):
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Danny: and people start to appreciate, you can still use tech, but now just be in this moment for now. (34:43):
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Kattie: Yeah, that's the hardest part. I think, sorry, not to keep ragging on this, (34:48):
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Kattie: But I think people have just gotten so (34:52):
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Kattie: stuck into like everything is content mindset now, where I'm thinking specifically (34:55):
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Kattie: of this woman that I was watching a YouTube video about on TikTok, about she (34:59):
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Kattie: was making a video sitting in her car about how she couldn't reach her son and (35:04):
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Kattie: how he was supposed to be in detention at school, (35:08):
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Kattie: but she couldn't get a hold of anybody at the school. (35:13):
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Kattie: And people like why are you filming this video, go to (35:15):
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Kattie: the school already, like go find your (35:18):
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Kattie: son! It's just everything is content and people just (35:21):
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Kattie: have to make things for for no reason and go on TikTok make a video and ask (35:24):
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Kattie: people for advice, when you should have friends and family close enough to you (35:29):
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Kattie: to give you sound advice with the context and the nuance of who you are as a (35:33):
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Kattie: person. So I don't know it's just so weird that people just go online for everything now Well. (35:37):
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Danny: It's like the people, just to elaborate on your point there as well, (35:43):
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Danny: it's like people, they're filming a fight or they're filming a car crash and (35:46):
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Danny: the person's still in the car. You're filming it and you're thinking, (35:51):
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Danny: Why aren't you calling 911? Why aren't you helping? (35:55):
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Danny: It's like clicks and views seem to be pervasive in our society, unfortunately. (35:58):
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Danny: Again, hopefully, as more people realize the dangers of online and too much (36:03):
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Danny: connectivity, hopefully we'll start to peel some of that back for us. (36:09):
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Kattie: Yeah, I hope our relationships have value again sometime soon. (36:12):
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Danny: Unless they're homophobic, obviously. Exactly. Get rid of these ones. (36:16):
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Kattie: Toss them in the trash. (36:21):
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Danny: So Kattie as I mentioned, I really enjoyed these five question and answers. In (36:23):
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Danny: all 100% fairness, I always do this every week, I feel it's only fair that you (36:29):
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Danny: get to ask your own random question of me because I have put you through the (36:33):
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Danny: ringer for the last 30 minutes or so okay. (36:37):
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Kattie: Um what is the worst food combination you've ever tried? (36:39):
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Danny: Oh that is like... I mean I'm Scottish so there's probably with some really bad (36:43):
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Danny: food combinations anyway. Ah, food combinations. (36:48):
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Danny: I feel there's something to do with a breakfast I had in the US because the (36:52):
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Danny: US has got some interesting breakfast choices, if that's the right word. (36:58):
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Danny: And I feel there was something where it was a, oh, you know what it is? (37:02):
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Danny: It is breakfast, but you can also have it for lunch, etc. (37:06):
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Danny: And I was trying to think what the food was and I still don't understand. (37:08):
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Danny: I'm sure, oh, you know, a lot of people do like it. (37:11):
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Danny: What's the fascination with fried chicken on waffles and sometimes with some ice cream at the side? (37:13):
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Kattie: Oh with the ice cream on the. (37:20):
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Danny: Side the ice cream at the side (37:22):
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Kattie: Oh listen i think it's just like (37:23):
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Kattie: the sweet and savory combo sometimes, and this (37:26):
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Kattie: is the thing with sweet and savory, and i'll go out and say it - sometimes it hits (37:29):
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Kattie: and sometimes it doesn't. And i think chicken and waffles is one of those things (37:32):
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Kattie: where you have to have, like, it has to be perfect. The chicken can't be dry it (37:37):
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Kattie: has to be juicy because it has It has to kind of go along with the waffle, (37:42):
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Kattie: which is also often a dry food. (37:45):
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Kattie: So you have to cook it perfectly for a chicken and waffles to hit. (37:48):
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Kattie: Otherwise, it's just kind of nasty and you'd prefer to eat them separately. (37:52):
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Kattie: But otherwise, savory and sweet. They do go together sometimes. (37:57):
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Danny: Sometimes. I will have to take your word for it. I just, I always think of waffles. (38:02):
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Kattie: There's no scientific evidence to that. (38:08):
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Danny: I just think of waffles as a dedicated breakfast thing. (38:10):
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Danny: So maybe you have waffles and my daughter has waffles with strawberries on it, (38:15):
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Danny: sometimes bananas, some little bit of syrup, whatever. And that's her breakfast. She likes that. (38:18):
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Danny: Whereas other times, I don't know, maybe you do put ice cream on top of a warm (38:22):
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Danny: waffle. But to take like a greasy, I guess it depends on how greasy the chicken is as well. (38:26):
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Kattie: I don't think I would combine fried chicken and ice cream. (38:30):
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Danny: Well, no. I mean, Scottish people have some weird things like fried Mars bars. (38:34):
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Danny: Never had one. Have no interest in having one ever. (38:39):
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Danny: So I can't really speak as a cultural, you know, example. (38:44):
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Danny: But yeah, I just can't. Like chicken, waffle, ice cream all on the same plate. That was bizarre to see. (38:47):
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Kattie: Interesting answer. (38:53):
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Danny: Interesting question. Thank you for that. So Kattie, as I mentioned, I really enjoyed this. (38:54):
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Danny: For people that want to learn more about you and your role, what you do as a (39:00):
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Danny: podcast producer, your newsletter, your Canardian podcast, and getting ready (39:04):
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Danny: for season two, et cetera, where's the best places for them to connect with (39:08):
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Danny: you online and check all that stuff out? (39:11):
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Kattie: Yeah, the best places to connect with me online are through my newsletter, of course. (39:13):
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Kattie: So you can go to podthenorth.com and subscribe to it. (39:17):
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Kattie: And then whatever email newsletter you get from me, you can reply right back (39:21):
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Kattie: to it and it goes directly to me. (39:25):
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Kattie: Or you can follow me on Instagram at PodTheNorth and just DM me there and send (39:26):
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Kattie: me all of your cool Canadian podcasting news. (39:31):
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Danny: Awesome. And as always, I'll be sure to leave those links in the show notes. (39:34):
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Danny: So whatever podcast app you're listening on, be sure to check them out. (39:37):
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Danny: They'll link all out to these resources. (39:39):
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Danny: So again, Kattie, thanks for appearing on 5 Random Questions. (39:41):
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Kattie: My pleasure. Thank you for having me, Danny. (39:44):
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Danny: Thanks for listening to 5 Random Questions. If you enjoyed this week's episode, (39:47):
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Danny: be sure to follow for free on the app you're currently listening on, (39:51):
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Danny: or online at fiverandomquestions.com. (39:54):
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Danny: And if you feel like leaving a review, well, that would make me happier than (39:56):
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Danny: boy, because yes, Darth Vader appears at Scottish supermarkets in full garb, (40:04):
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Danny: signing autographs for 13-year-old boys, you know it's true. (40:08):
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Danny: But seriously, leaving a review or recommending it to your friends would make my day. (40:12):
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Danny: Until the next time, keep asking those questions. (40:16):
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