Animal Facts with Coryelle Rogers

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Ever start a sentence with “Did you know that…?” Well my friend, this episode is for you. Five years in the making, set down with my dear friend Corryelle to talk about random animal facts. Nothing but a good time with lots of laughs. 

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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Welcome back to the show,coriel Rogers.

(01:34):
Coriel, you were on the secondever Six Ranch podcast and in my
infancy of this game I managedto not record your sweet voice,
and I'm so sorry about that.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
That's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
We also had a windstorm come through, so now
we're in this recording studio.
That's quiet, not in Hell'sCanyon.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Windstorms have kind of been a hallmark of this
podcast.
I've done a lot of them inweather events.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I feel like it's fitting.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, it kind of is.
And these, these microphones,you know they, they try hard.
They try hard, but uh, yeah, Imean that's just the nature of
recording these shows, kind ofwherever I'm at, and a lot of
times that means gnarly weatherand we're just going to do it.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, that's, very true.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Are these the same headsets?
They are Really yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
The whole time.
Yeah, that was at least fiveyears ago.
Five years ago, yeah, crazy,that is crazy.
I can't believe your podcasthas been going that long.
That I've owed you this podcastfor five years.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Because that's how long we've been talking about
this one that we're about tostep off into.
Tell me a little bit about youreducational background.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah.
So I went to Washington stateand I studied animal science
there, like most girls who thinkthey want to be a veterinarian.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Um, is that a good bachelor's degree to become a
vet?
Animal science.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
I think it's an okay one to become a veterinarian
animal science.
I think it's an okay one tobecome a veterinarian.
Um, I think, a lot more science.
You could do a lot more sciencefocus whereas animal science is
more production focused.
Um, I learned how to preg checkcows, I learned animal behavior,
feeding and so like.

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A lot of that is valuable tobeing a veterinarian.
But really when you're applyingto vet school, they judge you
on are you good at biochem, areyou good at organic chemistry?
So I think you could take thatsort of focus if you actually
want to become a veterinarian,which?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I did not, so that was your undergrad.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
And then you went to grad school.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Grad school for healthcare policy and
administration.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Bit of a turn.
I don't know if that's a leftturn or right turn, but it's a
turn.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
It was a turn.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
A good one.
I'm thankful now for sure.
I love my job and I'm infinance and get to be in human
medicine and try to make adifference in our health care.
We talked a lot about thismorning.
There's a lot of problems andwe do a lot of good too.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, a lot of good.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
A lot of good and it's hard to see the good
sometimes.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Completely yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
It's largely invisible, which is the idea of
it right.
Yep, yeah, but the theme oftoday's show is animal facts.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
And I don't know if I'm overly qualified.
I think you know a ton aboutanimals too, but we'll have some
good conversations.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, let's start it off.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Okay, I got one special for you to start off.
Have you ever heard of berserkllama syndrome?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Berserk llama syndrome.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, real thing.
I know how much you love llamasand alpacas, so I just wanted
to kick it off with that one,because it's a behavioral
condition If you bottle feedllamas, they become very
aggressive and homicidal towardstheir owners.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Homicidal, like they want to kill them.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yes, and that's what I thought of this morning when
you talked to us about the manwho butchered his llama and ate
it yeah.
Might have been a berserk llama.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Could have been.
Yeah, I mean, that might havebeen a contest and the llama
lost Interesting.
So if they're bottle fed, itdoesn't end up well for them.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, and I think we see that in um horses sometimes
too.
You know orphan foals, I'm sureyou know from growing up on a
ranch.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Sometimes they have big behavioral problems they
definitely have like boundaryissues exactly like they don't
understand personal space andyeah, there's usually some
entitlement that that comes withwith those horses that get
bottle fed, and it's agargantuan task as well to
bottle raise a horse.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, yeah, it's like a newborn and they're young,
for they nurse for a long time,so yeah, but the boundary issues
, and they're big animals andthey become pushy and they kind
of always have, I think, whatyou would call homeschooler
syndrome if they were bottle fedfull.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
BLS berserk llama syndrome.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, there you have.
That's my only llama fact,because I wanted you to know
that they maybe are evil.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Okay.
So what I'm gathering here isif you have an orphaned llama,
you might just need to let it go.
Yeah.
Right, because if you try andsave it, it's going to end up
potentially trying to killpeople.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, Part of nature.
I mean they're a little bitaggressive anyway.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, they've got an attitude.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
At least from my experience, and I don't know.
I have no desire to own llamasin the future, but I think
people also really like theirllamas sometimes.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, llamas in the future, but I think people also
really like their llamassometimes.
Yeah, that might be some kindof like toxoplasmosis stockholm
syndrome type thing.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
But well, should we talk about toxoplasmosis?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
why don't we?

Speaker 3 (07:15):
that's an animal fact , yeah, yeah that's a scary one
it is fascinating yeah, and youknow I'm newly pregnant and one
of the first things the doctorsask is do you have cats?
Because toxoplasmosis is a bigdeal but many cats owners have
it and it makes it causes themto become obsessed with their

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cats, from my understanding.
But you can also get it fromred meat, which is why you can't
cook, eat undercooked red meat.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Really.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
So you can't eat it when you're pregnant, when
you're pregnant.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, I mean, and you could get it on a normal day
too, but it's important whileyou're pregnant.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
It also affects fear.
Receptors right.
Yes, yeah.
So this is an interesting thingbetween, like the cat and mouse
dynamic is that if mice in thearea get toxoplasmosis, they'll
lose their fear of the cats inthe area.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh, interesting.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
I didn't actually know that.
And then the cats are morelikely to contract it because
they'll catch those mice.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Right.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Interesting, yeah Right.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Interesting, but then it's.
It can be a good thing for thecat because it's going to
decrease the fear receptors intheir prey base in that area,
and this also happened.
This isn't just a domesticthing, this happens out in the
wild too.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Interesting.
Yeah, yeah, parasites are crazy.
Yeah.
Fascinating.
They can do a lot of, have alot of effects on no-transcript.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Like this collective intelligence of mushrooms.
Yep.
Like are we no longer going toeat?
To eat mushrooms, um, and thenlook at community intelligence
with something like ants.
Yeah, yeah.
Very fascinating, uh, theintelligence of something like
wheat, which might be the mostsuccessful species in the world

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today.
Yeah Right, and there's a realargument to be made about
whether we domesticated wheat orwhether wheat domesticated
human beings.
Yeah, yeah.
So where, how are we going todefine intelligence?
And then, where are we going todraw the line?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
What's too smart to eat.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
If, ethically, it's like oh, you're not supposed to
eat smart stuff, and yeah, yeah,octopuses are smart and I'm for
sure going to keep hunting andeating them.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, and so are swine.
Swine are incredibly smart,yeah, and to me there, I've
always had some beliefs aboutsome boundaries around that
right, because they areintelligent, would I rather eat
a pig that's been raised by Amyand Jeremiah at Square Mile on
pasture, happy lived a reallygood life, rather than one

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that's been in a huge factoryand maybe trapped in a cage
while it fed its piglets andI've been in those huge swine
centers and they're gross.
Yeah so.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
It's not a pleasant environment.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
No.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
But we've got a lot of folks to feed too.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, yeah, we do, and so it's always there is some
ethical.
I see the ethical boundarieswhere we can have good practice,
especially for intelligentanimals, but really all animals
should be treated well, yeah,intelligent or not.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I mean, obviously I'm team square mile too, right?
We had square mile bacon andsausage like 20 minutes ago.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
And bacon.
Yeah, yeah, it's lovely.
We fill our freezer with theirmeats once for twice a year.
Animal facts yeah that's thenext one well, I was thinking,
speaking of intelligence, Iguess um did you know mice can
be tickled that they discoveredthat at wsu and we at wsu yeah,

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at wsu they discovered theyrecorded mice giggling when they
were tickled they giggle theygiggle.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Wow, I know, isn't that interesting huh, so they
they're an interesting critterto use for experimentation
because of stuff like thatexactly, yeah, yeah, um, they
have.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
And I would even go maybe say every animal is
intelligent in its own way,right, and so again we go back
to ethical issues with how anyanimal is treated, no matter
their iq or no matter how smartthey are.
And when you think, I mean whatphilosopher literally defined
human, the spark in humans, bybeing able to laugh who was that

(12:10):
?
Weston's here to fact check?
But then you find out mice cangiggle.
And you're like, oh, like.
Animals experience a lot ofemotions.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, and since we're talking about this, I feel like
the ultimate goal ofintelligence is survival of a
species.
Yeah, and since we're talkingabout this, I feel like the
ultimate goal of intelligence issurvival of a species.
Yeah, so any species that youhave today has adequate
intelligence to survive in achanging environment.
Yep.
Which is impressive.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yes, yeah, yeah.
And also something we've talkedabout a little bit this weekend
is female dogs judging you byyour competence, and I love that
.
I mean, we know dogs are smart.
Humans are so connected withtheir canines I would say
specifically as pets and thenyou find out your dog's judging

(13:01):
you.
I've been self-conscious eversince, so give me an example of
that.
Okay, I think it was a study inKyoto where they found that
female dogs were more likely toapproach the owner if they were
able to open a jar, versus theone who was not able to open the
jar.
And so now I'm in the kitchencooking and Luna's sitting there

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watching me and I'm likeopening a jar.
I'm like, oh, I definitelycan't ask Weston to help me with
this, because if she sees thatI'm incompetent, she won't love
me anymore.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Oh, that's so funny and and makes sense right.
Like you know, this one isgoing to be like my teammate in
the zombie apocalypse, myprotector and I will not be a
teammate in a zombie apocalypse.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Just to be clear, I'm opting out of any apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I know this is a little bit of an aside, but can
you talk about the club that youfounded?

Speaker 3 (14:06):
club that you founded .
Oh yes, this is a bit of anaside.
There's probably not a ton ofliberals on your podcast, but my
club is called Liberals forSilencers.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
And what does that mean?

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Well, that means any human that doesn't use a
silencer is probably a littlebit maladapted maladapted, in my
opinion.
I spent um quite a few yearswhile my husband weston was
shooting competitions roing,which is range officer ing,

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which just means I'm trying tokeep score for the guys while
they shoot at these metaltargets.
Sometimes they're moving,sometimes they're small,
sometimes they're shootingthrough, sometimes they're small
, sometimes they're shootingthrough crazy things.
But anyway, that's not thepoint.
These guys would come throughwith their unsilenced guns and
they'll blow your eardrums out.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, completely unnecessary.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
So unnecessary.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Savages.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
What'd I say last night?
Thread your guns.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Thread your barrels.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Thread your barrels, boys, boys thread that thing
yeah I'm not for it like pleaseput some silencers on your guns
okay, shout out to silencers andmaybe, maybe the animal fact
that goes with that is, I'mpretty sure luna has some
hearing damage from being atthose shooting competitions with

(15:24):
me my little sidekick yeah,duck dogs and and pointing dogs,
yeah, oftentimes get hearingloss from having gunshots next
to them.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, and I haven't seen a good solution for that
yet no, I haven't.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
We even looked it up like some dog ear pro, because
she came to these so often andsat there all day with me and
the best I would do is put herin the truck.
But even in the truck sometimesthose guns, especially those
long range, and I could nevertell you what kind of guns or
what ammo those people shoot,but it shakes the whole truck If

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they've got a muscle break onit's brutal.
Yeah, those things, those arethe devil.
So there you have it from yournon-shooting liberal, I love it.
Wife of a gun owner.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Okay, let's get back on track here.
Sorry about that.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
No, that's okay.
I wanted to talk aboutmustelids with you because I
know you love them.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I do love mustelids so much.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
And you're pretty sure they're going to take over
the world.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, my concern, and let's talk about what mustelids
are first of all.
So this is the weasel family,which includes wolverines,
badgers, otters, skunks, weasels, etc.
Etc.
Yep Right, otters, skunks,weasels, et cetera, et cetera.
Yep.
Right.
We've observed honey badgers,for example, doing things like

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picking locks using tools.
Lots of complex problem solvingthat has multiple steps and
requires tools.
We see sea otters using rocksto open shells and we think that
all this stuff is really cute.
My perspective on it is thatthey are in their stone age

(17:13):
right now yeah right.
If we look at human history anddevelopment, when humans
started doing this kind of stuffand using stone tools to solve
problems, we're like oh, we callthat the stone age yeah if, if
mustelids advance like we do,eventually they become a nuclear
superpower yeah and we do notwant an animal with these

(17:36):
attributes to have that yeah,let's talk about those, okay.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, what are they?
Kind of psychopaths, aren'tthey?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
They are?

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, my favorite one is ferrets.
Often revisit the site of akill.
That's like a human murdereryeah.
Right, like the police arewatching for the person that's
like hanging around, comes back,yeah ferrets.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Do we think that they're coming back because they
had success hunting there, oris it like a nostalgia thing?

Speaker 3 (18:07):
hunting there, or is it like a nostalgia thing?
I'm sure it's um, like if you,if you went to straight like,
okay, why, why do animals dowhat they?
Do probably it's because it wasa successful hunting site,
right, but why wouldn't otheranimals then?
Yeah, do the same thing it'screepy, so creepy ferrets.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
people have those as pets too.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Ew I know we talk about often the list of no's for
our kids, what animals we willnot have in the house.
Ferrets number one.
They're disgusting.
Yeah, no mustelids no primatesand probably no rodents, like do
you need rabbits or hamsters?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I guess, hamsters are kind of cute.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Rabbits are poultry.
Rabbits are poultry.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Really.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Wow, you caught me out on that one.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Can we fact?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
check that People like to fight me on this one.
I've won money on it multipletimes.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
You have, but for whatever reason, rabbits are
considered poultry.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Wow yeah.
Okay, here's another mustelid,let's get back in it.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Stoats hunt for fun and live in the dens of the
things they kill.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
And what's a stoat?

Speaker 3 (19:20):
I don't.
Can you tell me what a stoat is?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Are they like a little weasel?
Yeah, they are.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, they're also part of the mustelid family.
I just didn't know if you hadmore information.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
They hunt for fun and they live in the dens of the
things they kill.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
That's gnarly.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
So imagine these guys taking over the world.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
We don't want that.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
No.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
They're scary, do you ?

Speaker 2 (19:48):
yeah, they're scary.
Do you think cavemen did that?
They might have?
Yeah, they might have, probably, especially as homo sapiens uh,
encountered neanderthals.
You know, we know that now thatthere's some neanderthal dna
and a lot of asians andeuropeans, but these were two
different species yep and uh,neanderthals didn't make it like

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you know.
There's there's someinterbreeding there, but homo
sapiens probably killed them,yeah, and then moved into their
houses, yeah, took their stuff.
And neanderthals were bigger,they had bigger brains, they
were stronger yeah, they werecompassionate, like they took
care of disabled and and elderlyoh interesting I think they
were probably bet like the onesthat I would want to hang out

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with yeah right yep and thenhomo sapiens just come along and
like rape and pillage, likethat's survival of the fittest.
But yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Do you think the homo sapiens are smarter or just
less empathetic?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
maybe more, just more aggressive yeah I mean it.
It's going to depend on howwe're going to define
intelligence, and if we're goingto go with, you know, survival
of the species, then you got togive the nod to homo sapiens
yeah, yeah, no, that's yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
I think Weston has some Neanderthal in his gene
pool.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I mean probably, I think, most Europeans and Asians
do.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, no, I think it was like on his, maybe I'm wrong
about it?
Maybe I thought it was on yourdad's genetic testing.
I always blame his flat feet.
He has the flattest feet Ifanyone you've ever seen.
I would think that's aneanderthal treat, but that's
not a fact.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, I don't know yeah, usda classifies rabbits as
poultry, so now, I'm now I'mback on top okay okay, thank you
okay, what else do we have here?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
did you know weasels have a weasel war dance when
they hunt no way yeah, I don't.
We'll have to look up youtubevideos of it later.
But weasel war dance yeah, somemore creepy things about
mustelids killing dude, they'rein, they're in a phase.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
right now, I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Okay, should we move on from mustelids.
Anything else you want to talkabout.
They have well-developed analscent glands, which is gross.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Okay, that is gross.
They have massive brains.
Yeah.
Like their brain to body ratiois absolutely incredible.
So I would encourage folks tolook up an image or I'll post
one on Instagram of a like anotter skull and it looks like.

(22:34):
It looks like the crystal alienskulls where the it has this
wonderfully elongated likemassive brain.
It's like what are you doingwith all that?

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, completely.
I was amazed by that when wewere looking just at the skulls
here in your studio and they dolike very large brain boxes.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
And to put it into comparison for people who can't
see, I have an otter skull inhere.
That's from an animal thatmight have weighed 40 pounds,
which was a really big otter 40,45 pounds.
I also have a hippo skull inhere, from a hippo that might've
been over 3000 pounds and thebrains are almost the same size.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Insane.
Or you think of a horse whohave walnut size brains?
That's a big animal with prettysmall.
I think cattle are right on parwith that.
So yeah, probably musselids arelike right up there in brain
size right which I don't.
There is some correlation withbrain size and intelligence.

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Um and again, going back to theintelligence, but all of these
animals have survived, for a lotof years.
So, um, oh, you know I'm a horsegirl, but I don't think horses
are the smartest being out thereyeah they, they're flighty, but
they're, they're prey yeah, notpredators right yeah yeah so,

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oh, here's one I really lovebecause of personal experience
with it goats have to have theirc-section incision on the left
side really yeah, if you cutopen the right, all their guts
spill out huh yeah and I'llnever forget.
Like going into a goatc-section and we're shaving and
the vet just cuts down the rightside and immediately knew no,

(24:19):
there it was no issue, I meanyou just shove them back in and
sew it up, but guts justspilling out.
because everything's when you'repregnant.
All your guts are shovedwhichever way they fit, and so
all that pressure on them justcauses them to spill out the
side.
So in order to access theplacenta you have to go through

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the left.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Interesting.
Yeah, I was getting like bodywork massage done uh last year.
Yeah.
And there's, you know, some,some symmetry issues and like
muscles and like injuries thatare causing, you know stuff to
be different from one side tothe other.
And, uh, this, this incrediblegal, uh named, uh named, kat

(25:06):
Kurtz, that works on me.
She's, like you know, I neverknow quite when to stop working
on symmetry, because inside thebody we're not symmetrical at
all yeah.
The exterior gives the illusionof it, but once we get to the
inside it's like oh, the liver'sgot to go over here and the
small intestine goes over here,and your heart's over here.
It becomes pretty chaotic, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Completely.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Organs are very interesting.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Okay, good to know for everybody who might have to
give a C-section to a goat.
If you ever have to cut a goatopen.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah yeah, I've witnessed many animal C-sections
Go animal c-sections Goats aresome of my favorite.
They have multiples Goats arejust, I think cool animals.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
We would love to own some goats.
I mean.
Yeah, they're.
I mean they're very popularright now.
Yeah, they will get on top ofyour vehicle.
Yeah, they will eat stuff thatyou think is precious.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Okay, we had.
We had a barn out at SpokanePolo Club for many years and our
neighbors owned mini goats ourbarn neighbors and they would
Just.
The best story of goatdestruction is we're vaccinating

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all the horses.
Weston's dad's a vet, so wehave racks of vaccines set out
on a picnic table and we'redoing it ourselves and someone
releases the goat herd.
I don't know who thought thatwas a good idea and they all
come charging through and allover the picnic table.
Vaccines everywhere.
I mean they're destructive,they'll jump on anything, mess

(26:43):
with anything, and they're sofunny.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, they're hard to predict what their next move is
going to be.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, we got married out there at the polo club and
it was one of my biggest fearsfor a wedding.
I was like what if someonereleases these?
Goats onto our wedding.
Like cake everywhere guesttables.
It would have been funny.
It would have been a story.
I don't know if I would havethought it was funny that day.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I distinctively remember the first animal
C-section that I saw, which wasa cow in Montana.
Yeah.
And I was so impressed becauseshe stood up through the whole
thing.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Oh yeah, they do.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, and I was.
You know, obviously you've gotsome local anesthesia and things
like that going on there, but Iwas imagining what it would
take for me to be able to gothrough something like that.
Yeah.
Like no way.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
No way.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, and for your listeners, when many farm
animals get C-sections, we cutthrough the flank.
It's not like a human whereyou're laying on your back and
cut straight down the middle.
We're cutting kind of betweenthe ribs and the hip bone and
pulling them from there, sothat's why they remain standing.

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Cattle are tough, tough they'rewicked tough I mean you can't do
a ton of medication if they'rebeef animals.
I mean local anesthetic, um.
But generally you're prettycareful, you want to be careful
about what you're consuming,right, so we make them
comfortable, but they tolerate alot, and a lot of what?

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Injuries or C-sections, or evendelivery.
Yeah.
They, they're pretty tough.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think fistulated cows are also.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Oh, that is a wild thing, huh.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Crazy.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Talk about that real quick.
I know it's not part of yourlist, but no, that's totally
fine.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
I love talking farm animals.
Um, they are fistulated inorder to kind of see.
Cows have four chambers intheir stomach, right?
Um, I couldn't list them all.
Doodad, doodadium, I don't know,yeah, have a mason yeah, but um
, it's three different or fourdifferent processes food go

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through.
So when you put a chamber,essentially into them, you're
able to see that digestionprocess and do some research.
So if you're feeding them, Idon't know I would have known so
much more about this 10 yearsago but if you feed them
different kinds of feeds, howit's digesting?

Speaker 2 (29:20):
And if they're on the range, you can see what they've
been eating Exactly.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Like what they've been selecting for.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
So to bring this into focus for you guys a little bit
, this is a tube that goes fromthe outside of the animal, like
there's a tube sticking out theside of the animal that goes
through the ribs down into theirstomach, and it has like a
plexiglass window and you canreach in there and grab out with
your hand what they theirstomach contents?

(29:48):
yeah, yeah, um, I learned alittle bit more about like how
these, these different chambersof the stomach work and recently
kind of put it together withelk that they're getting their
protein from the bacteria andprotozoa and fungi that are

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living in their stomach.
So they're eating these grassesand and really fibrous
materials that don't necessarilyhave very much protein in it
and they're not actually evengetting much in the way of
nutrition out of that.
But all of this microbiomestuff gets to replicate so much

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in the consumption of that andwhen they, you know, regurgitate
their food and chew it up again, that is increasing the surface
area of that fibrous matter sothat the bacteria can get out
after it even more, and then allthese excess bacteria go down
into the rest of their digestivetract and that's what they're
getting their freaking proteinfrom.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, fermentation, it's basically fermentation.
So wild, yeah, so fermentation.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
It's basically fermentation.
So wild, yeah, so wild, likethey're just feeding bacteria so
that they can eat the bacteriaand that's why they're eating
the grass.
They're not doing it for.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Oh, I know, yeah, crazy, I think.
I think cattle are so cool andum, maybe overlooked sometimes,
but they're interesting animals.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
They're performing a miracle for us.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
They are.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
By taking grass that we cannot digest.
Yep.
And they're turning it intoprotein that we can eat.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yep, and actually one of my favorite conversations is
, for example, when someoneproposes maybe we should all eat
vegetarian or vegan.
Um, sometimes you drive throughcattle ranges and those.
Those are not places that wecould make into crops right like

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it's rocky it's terriblelandscape and too steep for
equipment too steep down heretoo steep lewiston, like those.
Grades are huge and you can putcattle out on them and they
make us protein.
Yeah, and that's pretty amazing, um, so do I think there's a
balance?
Do I think probably we overconsume and throw out too much

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in this country?
Absolutely, um, but alsothere's such a balance between
what can actually be made intofarmland versus what cattle can
do with land.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
That is uninhabitable , sure, and I think that's a
really cool part of what they dofor us and providing for us,
and a lot of our farmland isjust raising corn and soybeans
that we can't eat anyways.
Yeah, yeah, exactly what are wedoing here?

Speaker 3 (32:43):
all right, animal facts okay, um, speaking of
giving birth, um, maybe peopleknow, but giraffes give birth
standing up as well that's along drop it's a long drop, so
their calves drop and kind ofdrop on their heads and wakes
them up and then they can standand start moving pretty quickly

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to get away from predators.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Do giraffes have a hard time going from like laying
down to standing up?
Because aren't they likemissing a joint or like there's
something gangly about them?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
They are so gangly?
I'm not sure about that.
I do know a lot of animals thatare prey animals like giraffes
like cattle, those babies get upand they're walking quick.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, very quick.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
They're up nursing and moving.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Do you know about the difference between animals that
eat their placenta versus not?

Speaker 3 (33:39):
No, do you.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Okay, tell me about it.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Okay, so if the mother has to remain in the
birth site area for a period oftime after giving birth, then
they're likely to eat theplacenta.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Oh, so to get rid of the smells, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Because a lot of these newborns don't produce a
smell that predators can pick upon Interesting.
So, like fawns, deer fawnsdon't produce a scent that
coyotes can smell for a while.
Okay.
Which is totally fascinating.
Yep.
They've kind of stayed ahead ofthat evolutionary curve.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
So do, does eat their placenta.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
They do Okay, yep.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I didn't actually know that.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, so it's.
It's really common with a lotof the cloven, cloven hoved
animals that, even thoughthey're they're not meat eaters
at all they're going to consumetheir own placenta, which which
does have a nutritional benefitas well.
Um, but yeah, and then if theycan get up and just move off and

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either bring their offspringwith them or if it's the type of
offspring that doesn't requirerearing, then they're not going
to consume that placenta.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Interesting Cattle don't consume their placentas.
Some do, some do, many doReally.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, and I don't think that they'll eat the whole
thing, but I've seen a lot ofcattle chewing on them.
Really.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, part of what we did.
I lived at the WSU Beef Centerfor a year during college and
often we'd go find the placentasto check that everything was
normal and healthy.
So that's interesting.
I wonder if it's alsopressure-based, like those, wsu

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beef cattle have almost zeropressure.
I mean you can many cattle onthe ranches of America you could
not just go up to and touch.
These cattle are pretty closeto pets.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
And domestic livestock isn't necessarily a
good case study on what crittersare going to do in the wild
Completely.
Yeah, yeah, no, isn'tnecessarily a good case study on
what critters are going to doin the wild Completely.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, yeah.
No, that's a good point.
That is a super interestingfact.
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Animal fact.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Animal fact.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
What's the next one?

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Let's look.
Oh, the American bison is theonly animal in which both lungs
share a common cavity.
I thought that was aninteresting fact.
I came across.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Okay, so they don't have mediastinum.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, wow.
And so if you get a lung shoton them, they're pretty easy to
kill.
They'll go down really quicklybecause both lungs will collapse
.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Interesting.
Yeah will collapse.
Interesting, yeah, that makessense why the Plains Indians
were able to be so effective onthem with these little tiny
arrows, didn't you always wonderabout that In short, horse,
bows and stuff like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
And I've heard about lots of archery shots on bison,
where they just collapse andpeople are mystified by it.
Yeah, but if they don't have amediastinum and you can create
tension, pneumothoraximmediately by introducing an
arrow and air into that pleuralspace fascinating yeah, I
thought you'd like.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Have you been on a bison hunt?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I have not, yeah, I don't?

Speaker 3 (36:55):
I think I know it's on my husband's list.
We would love to have freezerof bison meat, but I think
they're pretty rare to get to goon.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I love to eat bison meat and I want a coat.
You want a bison coat?
I want a bison coat.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Like a big fur coat.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah, oh, my gosh yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
You could sport that around town.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Some ridiculously heavy warm.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Just a big jeremiah johnson jacket yeah, not a
mustelid coat no, that's for theladies for the ladies, yeah,
softer, they can kill their 172ermines oh my gosh, wear a fur
jacket oh, weston's um.
This is kind of an offshoot,but has so many fur coats from
like her grandmother's era andthey really hold up.

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I mean, they're beautiful.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
It's infinitely sustainable, like all these
species are still around, and alot of the people that will
criticize fur will wear asynthetic that's made out of
plastic that's a petroleumderivative.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, it's like well way harder on our environment
what are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (38:05):
when this thing's done?

Speaker 3 (38:06):
after it lasts for many, many generations, it's
just gonna dissolve back intothe soil yeah, yeah, yeah,
completely, um, and I am abeliever in in good stewardship
and harvesting animalsappropriately, and I think
there's a lot of really goodways to harvest animals and do

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it appropriately and maintainpopulations better that way.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, yeah, if somebody can name an animal
that's been trapped toextinction in North America, say
, in the last 130 years, I'd befascinated to know about it.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, that is true.
Trapping is an interesting onefor me.
There's a lot of value to itand also I have a hard time
imagining an animal sitting in atrap stuck for a period of time
.
Before you come back to yeah,um, and I think all animals,
humans included, suffer theysuffered towards the end.

(39:10):
Um, or many times, yeah, um.
And so there's a little bit inmy mind, right, I'm like, hey,
when we harvest animals, we wantthem to suffer the least amount
possible.
And it goes back to we shouldtreat animals well.
And then also, suffering isinnate to all living beings, and

(39:34):
so how do you balance thatappropriately?
And I think trapping catches meon that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, I never saw a wild thing, sorry for itself.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, and that's very true, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, A lot of people who and I'm not I'm saying that
, this is you, but a lot ofpeople who are critical of
trapping fur bearers have noproblem trapping mice or
trapping rats.
Yep.
Because that's something thatcan affect them personally.
Yeah, right, yep.
But if it's not something thataffects them personally, say

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it's trapping coyotes orsomething along those lines,
you're like.
No, I don't like that.
Yeah.
Well, what if the coyotes wereaffecting you?
And that was the best method tocontrol that population.
Yeah.
Like you would probably feeldifferently.
Yeah.
Yeah, washington State kind ofgot themselves in a pickle with
trapping regulations a coupleyears back because they wrote

(40:33):
the regulations so strictly thatthey weren't able to use
squeeze shoots on cattle.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Oh that's wild.
That was a metal device.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
It was restraining an animal.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
And then they're like oh crap, I guess we need traps.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, I guess we need to do that sometimes.
That's pretty funny yeah.
Yeah that's pretty funny.
Yeah, yeah, and I think maybebroadly in the world, in all
things it comes to like what'sthe best balance, and I think
politically I don't knowsocially everything has to do

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with just a balance I think toofar.
Any direction is never theright answer and balance is a
verb.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah, yeah Something that we're always striving for
but never achieve.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Exactly yeah, but you know you should silence your
guns, yeah.
No way around that.
Yeah, okay, speaking of bears,I love bears.
I think bear is my spiritanimal.
I think they're great.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Fantastic animal.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
They're fantastic.
I could go in to a long sleepevery winter.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I wish that I could.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
It sounds so nice I love packing on some winter
pounds and then in the summer,you know, going back to normal.
Yeah.
Better balance, eating lightermeals.
I love bears that they'reomnivorous.
I think I could live offhuckleberries and salmon from a

(42:07):
stream and sometimes trash, butI think this is maybe a fact a
lot of people know, but maybe alot of people don't, as bears
don't actually hibernate.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Let's talk about torpor.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yeah, and I really like that fact.
They go into torpor, which isjust their bodies going into a
deeply relaxed state.
Right, they become immobile,they're essentially sleeping,
but they have some awareness andthey give birth while they're
in torpor over the winter and,like muscly lids also have

(42:44):
delayed implantation, but bearsdelayed implantation.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I can't talk about it enough because I only learned
about it about this time lastyear.
Really About 11 months ago Ilearned about delayed
implantation.
So let me take a stab at it andyou can correct me.
For the months ago I learnedabout delayed implantation, so
let me take a stab at it and youcan correct me for the ways
that I get it wrong.
Yeah.
In the case of bears, bears rutin May and June and most of the
breeding is going to occur inJune, and it's always confused

(43:12):
me why, for such a big animaland this long gestation period
that the bear cubs were so smallyeah this didn't make any sense
to me.
So the bear cubs are going tobe born in february, right, and
they're going to be about thesize of a pop can yeah, they're
pretty small eight to 12 ounces.

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Little little, tiny, nakedlittle guys.
Cubs.
Yeah, and I was like how couldthis be?
How could it take so long for abear to produce something the
size of a rat?
Like how is this happening?
Well, here's how it's happening.
They get bred in the spring,probably by multiple boars.

(43:55):
Yep.
And then if that sow is gettingenough calories in October and
she's like yeah, I'm in goodphysical condition, I'm living
right, like spiritually,financially, emotionally, Ready
to have kids.
Ready to go.
Then she allows that blastocystto contact the uterine lining

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and then the gestation begins,and then she has this little
tiny offspring inside the denwhile she's in torpor, so that
she can.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
She eats them that entire time.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Like off this body fat.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
She's Right, so she's not eating, she's not drinking,
she's not urinating ordefecating, but she's producing
milk off of her own body fat tonurse these cubs in a protected
environment.
Yeah.
It's so smart.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
It's so cool.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
I think bears are so cool, and then you compare that
with elk who are rutting.
In September and October, abull elk will lose a couple
hundred pounds sometimes, whichmight be 30 or more percent of
his body weight.
The cows get run down, theyfight, they get injured.
So they go from like being atthe worst physical condition

(45:08):
that they could possibly be into the time of year where they
can't get any food to recover.
And then that's when the cowsare going to try to, you know,
grow this calf inside of herwithout any type of real
nutrition to do so, other thanwhat she was able to store
throughout the summer.
It's dumber, it's way dumber.

(45:29):
Bears are way smarter.
Delayed implantation isfreaking crazy.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
It is so cool.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
And the fact that that's not like a staple thing
that is taught in biology, likehey, like, because I think there
should be stuff like that, likelook how cool animals are.
Like delayed implantationshould be at the top of that
list.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
And actually I'm interested in and need to look
up like what sort of hormonalmechanisms make that happen
right.
Like how this fertilized egggets stored and is just sitting
there, I don't even know whereit's sitting in the uterus and
the fallopian tubes.
It's hanging out there until thebody signals to implant it.

(46:10):
So some sort of hormonalmechanism is happening there and
, like you said, these bearshave to be healthy and in good
shape and ready to like go intothis period of their lives where
there'll be gestating.
And it's an amazing thing, liketheir hormones, the body

(46:32):
signaling that sort of mechanism.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
My understanding is that it's something around the
line of 25,000 calories per daysustained.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Really, that's a lot of calories.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
That's a lot of calories 10 times what humans
are eating at least.
So that's what they're needingto consume on a sustained daily
basis during that time period,and that is the trigger for.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Implantation.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Good grief.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Do you love following the fat bears in the fall?

Speaker 2 (47:08):
No, not really.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Like the social media , fat bears.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Yeah, yeah, isn't it the National forest service that
does it?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Uh yeah, I think it's actually uh us fish and
wildlife, or national parks orsomething like that Fat bear
week.
Yeah.
Um, a lot of those are trashbears and it actually it really
saddens me.
You know we did uh, we did theshow last year about the Tahoe
bears and how they've becomedependent upon people in the

(47:42):
Lake Tahoe area for food and forhabitat right.
They're denning under homes.
They're exclusively eatingtrash dog food, things like that
.
The bears that they'vetransplanted have starved to
death, have starved to death.
Some of them have died fromhardware disease, basically just
having too much like plasticand junk inside their stomachs,

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and I think that that type ofdependency is one Like the last
stage between like wild anddomestic.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yeah, we were talking about that with sheep, right,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
So I'm looking at these bears and saying all right
, if they're dependent uponpeople, then the next step is
them becoming a domestic animal.
Yeah.
And I said but it's still abear, so there's going to be
conflict and it's.
They're probably going to killsomebody at some point.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yeah, because they're too close, too comfortable,
right and it hadn't happened yet.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Well, like two months after we recorded that show.
Yeah.
Bear broke into a woman's houseand killed her.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
It's wild.
Are these grizzlies.
Black bears, black bears, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Okay, I can get behind that,even though I do love to laugh
at those.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
A fat bear looks ridiculous.
I love to see a bear scratchesback on a tree.
Yeah, all the things that bearsdo, I think are great.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
They're just fun to watch.
I mean, they're super goofy.
I would love to go up to Alaskasometime and just watch the
bears.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
They're also another very intelligent animal.
Yeah, even besides this type ofintelligence that we're talking
about, with like delayedimplantation as far as problem
solving and things like that.
Yep.
One of my favorite favoritelines is about bear proof trash
containers.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, Did I share that with you, or did you share
that with me first, because thatis my favorite quote.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I don't know, but I yeah, it's so good.
So somebody was asking a parkranger why they couldn't come up
with a bear-proof trash canLike it seems doable, and the
answer this elegant answer wasthat there's significant overlap
between the most intelligentbears and the dumbest humans.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
And I think about that all the time.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
So if you can make it bear-proof, it be people proof
for far too many, for a lot ofpeople.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Well, and the prime example of that is, I think I
mean videos come out all thetime of people going through the
parks and feeding, takingpictures next to bears I don't
know, yeah, and bison, and I'mlike what are you doing?
Are you trying to die?
Yeah, well, they don'tunderstand.
Yeah, they don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, and bison, and I'm like what are you doing?
Are you trying to die?
Yeah, well, they don'tunderstand.
Yeah, they don't understand yepuh, that this is, uh, that this
is a wild animal, and and it'sin this impossibly crazy
situation that that animal hasno chance to adapt to, which is
a highway running through itshabitat, with people hanging out
the window completely yeah yeah, and I think it's just maybe

(50:37):
lack of respect for the animals,maybe just due to exposure,
like having not being exposed.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
anyone who grew up on a ranch or has been on a ranch
knows how quickly things canturn on you.
Yeah, and it hurts.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Another good example of animals not adapting to
modern stuff is deer strikeswith vehicles.
Yep.
Deer didn't evolve with anytype of predator that can move
that fast.
Yep.
So it doesn't enter into theircognitive process that this type
of thing could even beoccurring.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Yeah, yeah, quickly enough occurring.
Yeah, yeah, quickly enough.
Yeah, yeah yeah.
It'll continue to beinteresting as humans continue
to expand and put pressure onwildlife right and, like you're
saying, as wildlife essentiallybecomes, domesticated is relying
on humans, then, and where doesthat leave us especially?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
if they're dangerous.
Yeah, I've been told that everyfifth mammal on the planet is a
bat really that there are somany bats so many species well,
and individuals, yeah, yeahinteresting.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
I thought, yeah, because we, when you're in the
Virgin Islands now, there'sobviously birds, not a ton of
birds, but wild donkeys which Ithought feral donkeys feral
donkeys.
Yeah, I guess they're notreally wild, they are feral.
They're kind of cool, thoughthey hang out on the side of the
road, but obviously justbrought over by people.
There's some little tiny deerthere.

(52:18):
Are there.
Very, yeah, almost like when wepassed one on a road, like it
was almost like that's a deer.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
They're so small, are they whitetail?
Did you see any bats we?

Speaker 3 (52:34):
did.
We saw one bat kind of flyingover us when we were on a night
kayak trip where you get to seethe fish.
They love the lights, you know,so you're in these kayaks with
lights below them.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
They are a white tail .
They were brought to the VirginIslands in 1792.
That's a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah, they're tiny.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I saw the giant bats when I was in Australia.
The flying foxes, oh, and theymake a racket.
Lots and lots of vocalizations.
Yeah.
Man, they're huge.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, I've always kind of liked bats.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
They're a critical species.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
And I mean you think of the bugs they eat and places
they live.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I don't know, they're just I shouldn't say species,
but bats are critical yeah, lotsof species.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Um also found out coral is an animal related to
jellyfish.
That was new to me corals wild,yeah, coral.
Coral being underwater, and Iknow you've been doing a lot of
spearfishing, we did a lot ofsnorkeling while we were in the
Virgin Islands and lookingunderwater, just surfing over

(53:51):
the turtles, we saw an octopusthat was really big and he
blended in so well to hisenvironment you could hardly see
him.
Yeah, like I brought weston overto see him and it took me like
diving down and pointing atwhere it was for him to like
catch, because they, they blendso well they can change their

(54:12):
shape, their color and yeah.
Yeah, and a guy kind of tippedus off on the beach that you can
find them because they haveempty shells surrounding
wherever they are.
So I'd been snorkeling andbeautiful coral, so many
beautiful fish, I mean it's justreally cool.
And then I saw just a hugegrouping of empty shells.
I was like, oh, and then I sawjust a huge grouping of empty

(54:33):
shells.
I was like, oh, it must besomewhere.
And I just sat there.
It took me maybe 10 minutes tospot it.
Wow.
And it was just right there infront of me.
The whole time I was like itmust be here.
It must be here, yeah.
Way to stick it out.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
It was cool, I mean yeah, when I was diving with
Kylie one time she found onebecause this goatfish was
swimming around and she saidthis goatfish looks pissed.
She said I think there's anoctopus right there.
You can tell that a fish looksangry just by how it's swimming
around, but that's just likebeing clicked into an

(55:10):
environment.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Yeah, completely.
An environment yeah, completely.
And I think if you spent enoughtime even you know snorkeling
every day, you'd get really usedto what was normal and then
what would be out of the norm?
But so many cool things, hugestarfish.
I love turtles.
I don't even I should havegotten some fun facts about them
.
I just think they're so cool.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Yeah, about turtles.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
I'm I'm not the turtle guy, so I don't have any
of those in my hip pocket theonly fun fact I heard recently
was not that fun when westonsaid on the old whale ships they
used to take the turtles.
They don't have to eat or drinkfor a year so they'd catch them
and put them on the boat andjust kind of store them until

(55:55):
they ate them.
Yeah, yeah, that's.
That wasn't my favorite.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
There were desert tortoises in the 29 Palms
training area occasionally andif you saw one it shut down
training.
Yeah.
If one was in the road, you hadto wait for it to cross.
To cross the road Because ifyou pick them up they would
evacuate their bowels and thatlittle bit of moisture might be
enough to kill them before theycan get back to water.

(56:21):
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
And 29 Palms is a hot placeright.
Yeah.
It's so hot that it wasoriginally an army base and they
tried to just give it back tothe US government because they
said it was inhospitable forhumans.
Like humans can't live here.
Yeah.
And the Marines are like, soit's a good deal.

(56:42):
We'll take it.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
And to think there's turtles just crawling across
that environment.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, so we can afford this yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah, and there's the Mojave green rattlesnake there,
which I believe is the onlyrattlesnake that has neurotoxin
and hemotoxin.
Oh.
And they're also insanelyaggressive.
Yeah.
Just a fantastic combination tohave around Marines.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
You know, I think snakes are the one thing.
One animal, not one animal.
But I do fear snakes.
I think I just, I definitelydon't want to see them in the
water.
I love swimming, I love beingin the water and I cannot
imagine some like water moccasinslithering towards me while I'm
swimming.
Yeah.
I just I think they're creepy.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, lonesome dove affected all of us in one way or
another.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
about water monsters yeah oh, is that what it is?
It's lonesome dove.
I think that's probably Ididn't even know.
That's why that's why youpicked that yeah that, and um,
I'm a big hiker.
Um, I hike a ton and cats arethe other thing.
I don't want to be stalked by abig cat.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
I have a phobic response to snakes.
Yeah.
Yeah, which was great fun forthe Australians.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Oh, the Australians think it's like funny.
Yeah.
We were down in Australia goingto Weston's cousin's beach
house and they're like oh no,worries, there's a python that
lives in the rafters in thebeach house.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Very common.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Yeah, he's cool though.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Keeps the rats away.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Yeah, his name's Monty.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Helps with the rodents yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
And yeah, just normal day-to-day living for them.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Yeah, I talked to somebody who had, and it is very
common for people to have apython in their attic.
Yep.
And I talked to somebody whohad like a you know five meter
you know 16 foot long Pythonthat had gotten so big that it
broke the ceiling and it fellinto their house.
Like I would move to Bulgaria,yeah.

(58:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Nothing could could keep me there well, and you
think they must snatch babiesevery once in a while I don't
know.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
I think that's mostly dingoes right oh yeah yeah I
don't know if I'm half of a jokehere, but I loved australia.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
We had so much fun.
I don't know if I'm down forthe creepy crawlies there.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah, I mean it, it didn't seem like much of a drama
, like it didn't affect thedaily lives of the people that I
was around at all.
You know everybody's stillgoing to walk, walk and hunt
barefoot and it's no big deal.
Yeah.
Um, you know, like Brad Smithwas doing this, this
demonstration of shot placementon an archery target, that was a
pig and there's this like graylooking tarantula, looking
spider that looked like ahuntsman to me, I didn't know.

(59:43):
And he's like poking around allover this target and
everybody's just sitting in thisliving room watching and
finally I was like hey, man,like big spider right there and
he looks at it and he goes.
I don't worry about that.
And like flops it with hisfingers.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
No worries.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Well, that's cool, that's fine, but you know, I
just thought I should bring itup in case it was one of those
like it's going to kill youinstantly kind of spiders.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Yeah, yeah, but not a big deal for them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
But they're afraid to come here because of bears.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Yeah, so I guess everyone has their own enemy.
Yeah.
But I mean, bears are scary.
Getting mauled by a bear isscary, but they're also so cool.
Also, like me on an angry day.
You don't want to get mauled byme on an angry day either?
No, not on a good day, not on agood day.

(01:00:35):
Well, do you want more animalfacts?
What do you think?
I want one more.
One more.
Okay, oh, this is a good one toend on.
So there's an inverserelationship between heartbeat

(01:00:57):
speed to life length for animals.
Say that one more time observedlike you try to take a heart
rate on a ferret that comes intoa vet clinic and it's beating

(01:01:18):
so fast or rabbit that you canhardly catch it Right, and then
compared to a horse heartbeatwhich is very slow.
Um, but then there's an inverserelationship between heartbeat
speed to life length.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Okay, so the faster their heart beats, the less time
they're going to live.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Exactly yeah, so generally we know smaller
rodents animals live a shorteramount of time than generally
larger animals.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Humminbird versus blue whale.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Exactly.
Wow, yeah, but kind ofinteresting that heartbeat speed
and, as humans were kind of inthe middle, resting heart rates
around 60, 70, yeah, beats perminute and, um, you can imagine
a tiny rodent, I think.
They're up in the 200s, likejust crazy fast, can hardly hear
them and what made me thinkabout it is you're getting your

(01:02:09):
first ultrasounds and you'repregnant and they're like, yeah,
baby's heartbeat is heartbeatis like 170.
And that's insane.
That's higher than your heartrate ever is as a adult human.
Maybe not ever, but definitelymore than resting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
After the last year of a lot of focus on diving, my
resting heart rate went from theseventies to the forties.
Really yeah, I think average isright around 60 I've had, I've
had, I've had nights where I'vehit 42 beats per minute really
which is crazy low for me isthat normal, healthy, fine?

(01:02:45):
Yeah yeah, I know, variabilityis really good yeah so like if
you're my heart rate variabilityhas gotten better too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, which is a fantasticfeature on Garmin watches.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Yeah, yeah, and a really great indicator of
cardiac health, right, so that'sgood.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Yeah, pretty awesome.
I guess I just wanted to end myfavorite animal fact, which is
Colonel Mustard is the best boy.
Is the goodest boy.
He's the goodest boy I got tospend all weekend with him and,

(01:03:19):
wow, what a good boy he is avery good boy that big lab head.
Yeah, oh, I'm obsessed with ityeah you neutered him late,
right at a year those big malefutures.
Oh, he's so cool.
Yeah.
Big paws yeah, he's a good boy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yeah, three big paws.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Three big paws.
Always talking to you.
Yeah, and that big, I just Ilove a big blocky head.
I think male animals and you'llsee it in most male animals, If
you, if you wait to castrate ahorse a little longer, they'll
get the big jaw, big heads.
And.
I love that feature.
Yeah.
Big male animal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, that was advice that I got from
a local veterinarian.
Look, you know, any dog in yourlife is going to have a rough
and tumble life and if you justwait until a year before you
neuter them, then they're goingto really be able to develop a
lot of skeletal and muscularfeatures that they'll carry
their whole lives.

(01:04:19):
It'll be very healthy for thatanimal.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Yeah, yeah, and I think more and more vets are
recommending that, which I'msupportive of.
I think it's a good idea and Imean we used to neuter in space
so young.
But yeah, a lot of good thingscan happen if you let them
develop a little bit more, butstill get your dog spayed and
neutered.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
I mean, yeah, also important yeah and, but very
good to get some of thosefeatures too a piece of feedback
that I commonly hear from fromfans of the show is that they're
always learning stuff yeah fromit, and I think just about
everybody is going to learnsomething from this one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
You do.
Yeah, that's good For thoselisteners.
I was nervous.
I didn't know if I was the mostqualified for this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
You did great, you did so good and it's such a
pleasure to have you back on theshow.
And so fun to get to spend aweekend with you and Weston and
have some snow days and eat somefood.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Such a good weekend, thank, you.
James, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Thank you very much.
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