#128 - "Say Anything..." (1989) with Bethany Wells - 80s Flick Flashback

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I'm going to take out Diane Court.
Diane Court doesn't go out. She's a brain trapped in the
body of a game show Hostess. So it's Lloyd and let's go.
Out. Oh thanks, but I'm busy.
Busy on Friday? Yeah.
Are you busy on Saturday? Well, monumentally busy.
Not monumentally. What about tonight then I'll.
Go. Excellent.
It's a date, it's a scale. Quick question, do do you know

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who I am say? Anything rated PG13.
In 1989, Cameron Crowe made his directorial debut with this 80s
flick that would go on to definea generation of romantics and
misfits. The story centers on Lloyd
Doppler, an awkward yet irresistibly charming high

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school grad who's unsure of his future but knows exactly what he
wants. Diane Court, the smart,
enigmatic valedictorian who seems to have everything figured
out. Except when it comes to love,
Lloyd isn't the typical leading man.
He's not a jock or a brooding bad boy, but rather a sweet,
relatable figure who stands out by being refreshingly ordinary.

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Diane, on the other hand, is a mystery, more comfortable with
the elderly residents at her father's nursing home than with
her classmates. She's the object of desire, yet
not in the typical trope filled way.
This isn't your average popular guy falls for the nerdy girl or
good girl saves the bad boy narrative.
Instead, Crow and his talented cast subverted those
expectations, crafting a romancethat was both unconventional and

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unforgettable, capturing the awkwardness, sweetness, and
complexity of young love in a way that still resonates today.
So throw that Peter Gabriel cassette in the boom box, crank
it up, and hold it over your head as Bethany Wells and I
discuss say anything from 1989 on this episode of the 80s Flit
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Today's guest Co host is someonewho, much like Lloyd Dobler,

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marches to the beat of her own drum.
Please welcome the awesome Bethany Wells.
Everyone thinks I'm a press is the problem.
No one would ever think of you as a press.
Welcome to Bethany, how you doing?
I'm good. How are you?
I am good, glad to have you backon the show and let's we covered

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When Harry Met Sally which was highly popular romantic comedy
from the 80s. One of my.
Favorites yes, absolutely. And neck and neck with that
movie is this one say Anything? So glad to have you back on this
one as well. All right, well, let's jump
right in. When did you see say Anything

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for the very first time? So the first time I I don't have
a very long history with this movie, Laramie and I had already
started dating and it was just one of those movies that I knew
existed, but it's not something I grew up watching.
And so I had never seen it. And he was like, you've never
seen say anything. And I was like, well, I know the

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thing with the boom box, but that's all I know about the
movie. And so we watched it together
not long after, maybe like a year into US dating, which was
so, but yeah, so it's it's been fairly recent the first time I
saw it. OK, yeah, This is not one that I

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saw in the theater. This is one that I'm sure I
caught on video. You know, a year or two maybe I
might have seen an OK. I really don't remember the
first time I saw it. I just know once I saw it I had
to watch it over and over and ohjust became like my movie.
Cute. Yeah, and I related to Lloyd in
a lot of ways, you know, becausethis coming out in 89, you know,

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I was in Ardian High School, so,you know, a couple years older
than me. But just that, you know, kind of
what you aspire to be like to take that shot, to call that
girl that you've been watching all year that, you know,
everybody says it's out of your league.
Never did that. But I, you know, I aspire to be.
But you know, one of my favoritelines is it starts off the movie
is when they're like, you know, friends, like, come on, Lloyd,

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you don't do that. We don't want to see you get
hurt. I want.
To get hurt. Yeah.
Good for you, Lloyd. Yeah, and, and the two, like,
another thing that that appealedto me was that he hung out with
girls like that. His friends were, you know, and
that's, that's who all my friends were in high school.
Like, I mean, I had some guy friends too, but most of the
time I hung out with, with girlsjust because.

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And I don't, you know, I, I guess I was, you know, always in
the friend zone, but I just, I guess because I had sister and
my mom was very, you know, I hung up with my mom a little bit
more than my dad, probably. So my mom was more the
conversationalist than my dad, let's just put it that way.
And so, so I was more, I guess Iwas more comfortable talking to
girls in that friend, you know, kind of zone.

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But but but yeah, so enough, enough about my, my high school
years. But but when was the last time
you saw it before we were watching it for the podcast?
It was probably, I don't know ifI've watched it again since that
first time I saw it. Like I remembered watching it
and enjoying it. I just don't know if I've ever

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like gone, well, I'm going to watch that again.
And then when you said like, hey, I need somebody to record
this episode, I was like, I liked that movie.
I'll watch it again. Yeah, it had been a while.
I think I've watched it in the last couple of years because I
knew I was going to do it on thepodcast eventually.
And so sometimes I know I'm going to do it.
I try not to watch it because I wanted to be fresh before the

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episode, but I was just like, I just it was I was in the mood
for that type of movie. I needed something that was
going to be enjoyable and romantic and just, you know,
inspiring in some ways and just,you know, just a good, a feel
good movie where I knew when I when the movie was over, I was
going to feel good and feel inspired.
So so I watched it. It's probably, I don't know if
it was last year, maybe within the last two years, but before

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then it was probably college when I watched it.
And I remember because it was one I definitely had on VHS.
And you know, as I spoke on previous episodes, when I was in
college, I had like much like Laramie had the collection that
everybody came to borrow from. But I remember like a funny
enough story. I remember talking to one of my

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friends at college who would always come in and borrow
movies, and we got talking aboutmovies and types of movies we
liked. And I was like, man, I really
love saying anything We were talking about, man, yeah.
I was like, man, Cameron Code, That guy was great.
Like, whatever happened to him? When is he going to make
something else? And literally like two days
later, like within a month, the trailer for Jerry Maguire came
out. We're like, he's back.

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He's back. We've got another Cameron Crowe
movie. So, you know, so I'm a big fan
of Jerry Maguire, too. So.
Yeah. So, yeah.
So that that that memory sticks with me.
Like I'm he might have borrowed it and that's where we're
talking about it. But I remember us like, you
know, knowing who Cameron Crowe was, knowing that was his movie,
Like I'd seen it so much that like I knew that was him.
So. And then when Jerry Maguire came

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out, I was like, you know, the guy's back.
Yeah. Yeah, Exactly.
Exactly. So yeah, All right, well, let's
jump into story origin and pre production.
As I was telling Bethany before we started recording, I was
surprised there wasn't a whole lot of information out there
about how this movie got made. And I was like, as popular as
this movie is, I would think there would be more out there.
But I was able to kind of pull some things together.

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Watching interviews with CameronCrowe on the Blu-ray special
features. I think I got the 20th
anniversary which I know is now like almost 20 years old now
which is crazy to think about. Hey, hey, hey, slow down 'cause
this movie came out the year after I was born, so.
We won't talk about that. Quite that long.
Right, right. But but, you know, Cameron Crowe

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talked a little bit about how itgot made.
So this is kind of a hog, a hodgepodge.
This is kind of a a way of me piercing those those puzzle
pieces together. So as personal as a film clearly
is, Say Anything was actually a gig for hire for Cameron Crowe.
James L Brooks had met the youngwriter while interviewing him
about his time at Rolling Stone during the recent research

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process for the movie. He was producing broadcast News
and had been impressed by the voice displayed in his script
for 1984's Wildlife, his mostly forgotten follow up to Fast
Times Ridgemont High. Which Cameron Crowe was the
writer. He wrote the book that was based
on and wrote the screenplay. Brooks hired Crow to write a
screenplay around the idea he'd involved he had involving a girl

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who discovers her father's a criminal.
So there you go. Father's a criminal.
Love story makes perfect. Sense Yeah, absolutely.
I I was going to say this is themost feel good movie about
stealing from the elderly. Yeah.
Tax. Tax fraud, you know.
Right, right. Yeah, We'll get there.
Yeah. The script evolved slowly over a
four year period, with Crow adding Lloyd Dobler, who would

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eventually become the main character.
Lawrence Kasdan, writer of Empire Strikes Back in Raiders
of the Lost Ark and the directorof The Big Chill and Body Heat,
had been circling the project, but told Crow, according to an
interview at the time. He said you are that main
character, you should direct it.And so he did.
Until Say Anything, Crow hadn't written a love story.
He told the San Diego Union Tribune that the movie's a love

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story for people who don't say Ilove you, and in 2009 told the
Los Angeles Times that it's a very personal movie.
And it reminds me of falling in love, falling out of love and
falling back in love with life and all the unexpected glories
and pain that happened along theway.
The personal part references hisfirst love and heartbreak, he
said. She fell for me.
I felt for her, but not at the same time.

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And yes, I used to drive by her house late at night, listening
to music, feeling like ASAP and somehow heroic at the same time.
She was already with someone new, but I was going to wave the
flag of our great love, even if I was the only one of the
ceremony, which I thought was a great quote.
It's a great quote. That is such a teenager thing to
and, and I love how in this movie you see it, not just

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Lloyd's not the only one that does it because you've also got
his friend who like she's like, I wrote 65 songs about him and
I'm going to sing them all tonight.
I'm just like, you know what most 1918 year old thing I've
ever seen? And then Lloyd Doppler does the

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thing where he's basically like an 80s voice memo to his friend
where he's recording. Just.
Random thought, which I do stillto this day, like they're just
certain friends where instead oflike typing out what I'm going
to say is a text, I'll just do avoice memo.
And it's this long rambling thing.
And then after I've sent it, I'mjust like, I don't even know
what that was. I don't even know what that was

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anymore. It's probably my favorite scene
in the movie honestly. Yeah, it's funny because like
watching it again, this time I was like, oh man.
Because I know I did. I had a handheld recorder.
I've had a few over the years, but I was like, did I do that
because of watch? Like, did that become like
watching the movie maybe want toget one and do that?

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I I toured with a singer for a couple years between high school
and college and that way because, you know, back then CDs
were out, but you could record on them at that point.
Not as easy. And so, yeah, we all had like
the handheld recorders for like rehearsals and stuff, but then
somebody had their grades. Like we should document our tour
on cassette. So like, I have like a sense of
like life on the road of like interviews with other people and

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like talking about what happenedthat day.
So it's it's a cool like a like an audio diary that's just of,
of like a trip, which was a really cool idea.
So one day I'll get it transferred over to digital
before it like it, you know, disintegrates.
Yeah. And the best like like Infinity
War. But yes, but this was this was
Cameron Crowe's directorial debut.

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And if you watch any interviews with him, he talks about how
inexperienced he was. He didn't really know how to
talk to actor or like, you know,he talked to actors, but like, I
think John Maloney was Mahoney was talking about how he wasn't
used to a director that let him kind of make his own choices.
It was like, he's like, how do you want me to play this?
He's like, well, just however you feel it, He's like he wasn't

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used to being directed so free. But Cameron Crowe was like, it's
on the page, you know, however you express it.
I'm sure we'll be fine. And he's so.
But he also had a very good cinematographer, which we'll
talk about him a little bit later too.
That really helped him frame theshots.
Like he had a really good team around him, which was good for
to be his first, his first film.But but yeah, it's it's still so

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good. I mean, there's there's it
doesn't feel like a first film to me.
Like it feels like he was well established at that point.
It it feels like an maybe not well established, but like, but
not the first. Like he maybe had a couple under
his belt, but he was still doingthat.
Like I'm going to play with format and I'm playing with you.

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Like the ending in particular reads of like a young director.
Just like we're going to make sure you understand this is a
metaphor. It does have some uneven parts
too. Like there's some things that
especially in the beginning, like it's funny, like the scene
when they're at their graduationand all of a sudden it goes the
scene of all the people with thewith the video cameras in there,

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they're watching. And of course that was a great
hilarious moment. But it's it almost doesn't fit.
Like this isn't a parody movie. You don't you didn't need that
for it to be funny. But it's like he, like I said,
he's just trying different things, like let's just see what
sticks or whatever. So Lloyd Dobler was actually
based on a neighbor of Cameron Crows, his name was Lowell
Merchant. He said he came to his door one

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day and introduced himself saying he was a kickboxer and
that kickboxing was the sport ofthe future.
Lowell had this stoic, noble thing.
He said he was very polite and would wipe his hands off on his
pants before he shook your hand.James Brooks told crew to write
that guy and from that moment onLloyd took life.
Basically created from the mannerisms and spirit of Lowell.

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Crowe had John Cusack in mind when he wrote the part, but felt
that Cusack probably wouldn't take it.
In fact, Cusack hadn't originally planned to take the
role because he wanted to stop making high school movies, but
he saw a harbinger of soul underneath the standard outward
appearance, as well as Crow's passion for the project.
Once they started riffing together was kind of inevitable.

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So in the behind the scenes, they really, the both of them
really talk about a lot how Cusack really brought a lot to
the character. He said when the script was
there, it was there, but there was a lot of depth to the
character. And so like he gave Cameron a
lot, like, should we try this? Let's try that.
And so they really kind of helped to kind of form his
character a lot more while they were filming.
So which that seems to be John Cusack style.

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He wants to be very involved with what's going on.
So but yeah, so that's that's pre production and story origin.
So kind of I guess there's not awhole lot to say.
That's why they can't find much out there.
But it's still interesting that it started as like a script to
for images, right? And then became much more
personal as they were going. It feels personal, like it feels

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like you're you're stepping intoalmost like a diary.
Yeah, yeah. And you know, that's kind of how
I mean, that's just kind of writing style because you go
back to fast times of Ridgemont High.
That's why that movie stands outso much, because it felt like it
was real teenagers and real conversations.
It was it was it wasn't the Hollywood Sheen over.

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And and it was one article I wasreading, like doing research and
it was said, say anything is a teenage love story for adults.
Like it's not written or it's not presented as like this what
would typically be called a teenmovie at that time.
Even coming to the end of the 80s, you know, people are used
to the John Hughes style of being kind of silly but still

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being heartfelt. And he was bringing like, this
is, you know, yeah, this girl's dad is, you know, robbing old
people. Spoiler alert, you know, is
robbing old people. But there's this love story
intertwined in it, which wants to meet me made it feel more
grounded. It made it feel more like a real
story than just your typical ROMcom, typical romantic movie.

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That's all, you know, fantasies and and misunderstandings and
all that kind of stuff that you get.
But I also love how awkwardly they talk to each other, which
is so real. Like they don't know each other.
They wouldn't have like a quirkyquick banter over the phone.
It was more just like, oh, oh, you know what?
Fine, I'll come. That's fine.

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Sounds good. OK.
Yeah, and there's like. Yeah, it there's it happens a
couple of times of just they they can't quite communicate
well. It comes across as funny and
it's enjoyable to watch, but it's also realistic of just two
people aren't going to be able it.
Life isn't scripted and so you're not going to have cute,

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funny writers writing a meet cute over the phone.
Yeah, so say there there wasn't this meet cute moment like he
references like we set each other from an 8 at a mall.
We don't even see that scene. So really, you don't know how
they met, and it's kind of you. Don't even know if she
remembers. Yeah, exactly.
She's like, you know, he's like,oh, you remember, She's like,
no, that's what was written on the note.
You know, it's like, and like the dad, this is the guy with

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on the other side of the page. Let's jump in the casting.
Do this quick overview. John Cusack and The Only Sky
make one of the great screen couples in the film, but as
ever, it could have been very different.
Crow wrote the part for Cusack, as I mentioned, but was
concerned he wouldn't want to play a high school character

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again, so he started to look elsewhere.
Those who auditioned for the part include Lauren Dean, who
ended up playing the infamous Joe in the movie, as well as
future directors Todd Field, whodirected Little Children, and
Peter Berg, who directed Battleship.
That's not his best film, but that's what's listed there.
While Christian Slater and Kirk Cameron also came close to

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landing the role. Robert Downey Junior was
actually offered the part but turned it down, leading Crowe to
finally approach Cusack, who ended up liking the part and
signed on. Meanwhile, Elizabeth Shue
apparently nailed her audition to play Diane, but Ione Skye
narrowly beat out Shue and future Oscar winner Jennifer
Connelly to land the role instead.
Lastly, while Julia Roberts hot off Mystic Pizza, was up to play

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the role of DC, it was Amy Brooks who took the role.
Now I will say, we'll get in this.
There is DC and there is oh man,forget her name.
The three friends. Yeah, there's, there's DC,
there's Corey and there's Rebecca.
And I knew who Corey was. That's the one obsessed with

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Joe. But I kept seeing and even when
he's in the in the tape recorder, he's talking, he's
talking to DC. And even during that scene, I
was like. Which one was?
DC, yeah, which one was DC? And so so, yeah, so we'll get
into so, yeah. So DC has a very, very small
role or no, Rebecca has a very, very small role.
So DC is like the one that's in most of the scenes together.

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Rebecca out I always thought wasexcuse me, I always thought
Rebecca was DC's younger sister because they both have the dark
hair and they somewhat look kindof a light, but one's definitely
younger. But she's only in like 1 of the
bedroom scenes where they're talking, they're all talking to
him and then she's sitting next to, she's sitting next to Corey

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when she's singing her songs about Joe on the couch.
So, so we'll get into, we'll getinto who played those roles here
in a minute. But I just thought, I just
thought, you know, it's like DC,like who is DC?
That was my, that was my biggestchallenge with the research.
I was like, I just watched this movie.
I couldn't tell you who DC was. All right, so we got John Cusack
as Lloyd Dobler. Of course, I've covered several
of his movies already. We've done Better Off Dead.

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We've done Stand By Me. We've done One Crazy Summer.
It's like, it's not on my list, but yeah, so.
But he's also made movies such as Bullets Over Broadway,
Conair, Grosse Pointe Blank, Being John Malkovich, America's
Sweethearts, and Runaway Jury. So you know who John Cusack is.

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I. Love John Cusack, I think that
plays a big part into why I do enjoy this movie as I've always
had like a little crush on John Cusack a little bit.
It's just that he's just got a cute little face.
Yeah, I mean, yeah. And I would say like, even by
the time I'd seen this, I had probably seen all of his other

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teen movies he had done maybe not better off Dead if I did.
I'm. I've talked about this on that
episode. That was what I really didn't
find out about until later. But I've seen one Crazy Summer.
I'd seen the sure thing he did another one called Hot Pursuit,
which was not not as not as wellknown and for good reason.
That's another word like he's, you know, he's supposed to.
It was like, it's somewhat, yeah, I remember like he was

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supposed to go with his girlfriend and her family on a
vacation and somehow he gets stuck and can't and misses the
boat because they were going offto some private island.
So the whole movie is him tryingto catch up with her and her
family and just the zany things that happened.
But so I was well aware of who John Cusack was before seeing
this movie. And probably one of the reasons
why I wanted to see it because Idid like him and everything, the

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even his small cameo in Stand ByMe is memorable to me.
So yeah. So he's he's still by far, I
think the best like leading man of teenage movies of the 80s.
I mean, I put him at the top of that list.
I'll have to go in and watch some of his teen movies because
I'm not super familiar with really any of them but this one.

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And so no, I'm I'm more just like middle-aged John Kesach.
I'm just like. I mean, he was still good.
Yeah. And he still, I mean, even in
the 90s, he still was, still wasgood.
I would say if you want to go back and watch, oh, he's in 16
Candles, but once again, a very small part.
Yeah, you remember that? Yeah.
I would say for me and I'm you know, flak if I get any flak for

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if you want to test me, then, you know, send me send us, you
know, e-mail us reach out to us on social media.
I would this is probably my favorite next behind this would
be the sure thing. If you wanted another very well
Rob Reiner directed very well made great.
Yeah, it's it's almost a kind ofa pre when Harry met Sally, but

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with teenagers. So it's got it still has some of
that kind of it got some of thatto it.
So and so that's really good. And then it would be like, you
know, better off That is fun. It's more satirical, more goofy,
same with one Crazy summer. But yeah, those would be the if
you want to go back to the 80s, those would be my, my, my top.

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The sure thing would be your your next one.
I would think you would that youwould enjoy.
So hopefully we'll get we'll getto that one on the podcast as
well. That one's hard to find.
I do. I was able to get the get the
Blu-ray. Your husband probably has a DVD
copy. Of it, I'll ask him if he has it
somewhere. All right, so throughout the DVD
commentary, both Cameron Crowe and John Cusack kept returning

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to a phrase that summed up the philosophy of Lloyd Doppler and
the movie as a whole. And that quote was optimism is a
revolutionary act. I thought that was a good good
quote. That is such a good.
Yeah, that's such a good description of him as he's just
like unfailingly optimistic evenafter he's been broken up with.

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Like he's got this like, bit of hopelessness, but he's still
like actively searching and it'sit's just very cute.
And then like he tries to hold out when she comes back to him
and and it's like, you know what, who cares?
You're good. We we want to be together.
Another great line are you, are you here because you want you

(26:53):
need somebody or because you need me?
Forget, I don't even care. Just, you know, and as a as a
18-9 year old kid, that is 100% logical.
Absolutely, absolutely. It's it is just very cute and I
love. So one of the things I really
love is when he writes the letter and the letter because

(27:16):
he's got these friends that I love that they're just his ride
or die like that They think he is, He walks on water.
And I feel the same way about myfriends.
Like if they need to be pumped up, I think they, they're the
best. They're doing it, they're
killing it. And I'm and that letter was
fine. Like it was sweet.

(27:38):
But like, no one has ever written me a letter like this.
It just says like, I'm here for you if you need me, like, but
and and it just built him up so much to the point where I just
overdid it with the letter. And I'm just like, yeah, I mean,
you overthought the letter quitea bit.
But that's, that's who he is. I mean, that's, you know.
That's an 18 year old, Yeah. Nice guy.

(27:59):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
And I think that optimism, another great scene is him and
his sister when, you know, he's been out.
I mean, she comes in with the with, you know, his nephew,
which cute cutest kid ever, likeone of the cutest kids ever.
And she's like, why can't you behis uncle instead of his
playmate? And then he has a conversation.
He's like, look, I'm, you know, I'm sorry mom and dad told you I

(28:21):
had to, you had to take me in. And I'm sorry that Tim left you,
but I am not Tim. Of course.
I didn't mean I was like, it wasn't me, man.
But but yeah, just once again, he's like, look, I know life is
tough, but, you know, find some good in your life.
He's like, it used to be fun once.
Yeah. And she's like, I was, I was
hilarious. He's like, you were great.

(28:42):
You know, it's like he kind of helps to bring her out of her,
like frustration and depression or whatever.
And so. But yeah.
And like, how heartbreaking is it at the very beginning?
Like I think that's when he hooked me is when he is taking a
picture of himself in his slap and gown in front of his.
Like there's nobody there to take his.

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Picture. And he's still like, this is the
best day ever and he has no one there to celebrate with him and
I'm. Just like mom and dad called me
from Germany. It was like they were there.
Yeah. You know, so.
Yeah, so good. All right, moving along, we'll
get we'll get stuck here for 20 minutes.

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Sorry. My bad.
No, you're good. This is why I have you on the
podcast ione. Skye is Diane Court.
She made her film debut in the thriller River's Edge in 1986
before gaining mainstream exposure for her starring role
in Say Anything. She continued to appear in films
throughout the 90s, with notableroles and Gas, Food, Lodging in
92. She also has the very beginning
of Wayne's World in 92 and One Night Stand in 97.

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Never heard of that one? Other film credits include the
comedy Fever Pitch in 2005 and an uncredited role in Zodiac in
2007. She also guest starred on
several TV series, including TheTwilight Zone in 2002, Private
Practice, and a recurring role on Arrested Development.
Yeah, she's awesome. You forgot about it, didn't you?

(30:06):
I did. Yeah, look, I I barely
recognized I for not realizing, but I rewatched the Wayne's
World the other day just becauseI wanted something goofy on
while I was working. And she's in the she's in the
like one of the opening scenes with Rob Lowe where like I guess
she's playing his girlfriend. And I was like, she looks so
familiar. Who is that?

(30:27):
Because she's got like red, likelong red curly hair.
But I was like that face, I knowthat face.
It's like, Oh my gosh, it's Ionesky.
So like it took me a second to recognize her.
So yeah, she's definitely that was, but she's only in that one
scene and that's it. But it was mentioned that she
talked about this, she had trouble identifying with the a
student Diane Court because she wasn't like that at all.

(30:47):
She said I wasn't a good student.
I grew up with my mother, not myfather.
I kind of had a wild childhood. Even the father stealing money
from old people. I kept saying to Cameron, I
can't access why this is that why this would upset me.
That didn't seem bad to me at the time.
Her real life. Her heart.
Yeah. Her real life father is famed
Scottish musician Donovan. Two years after the movie came

(31:09):
out, she married Beastie boy Adam Horovitz, but they divorced
in 1999. So.
So yeah, she was. She was not like her character
at all, which I thought was interesting because she played
it so well. Yeah.
She does I I really enjoy her character a lot.
I think she's, she plays it so earnestly and just that that
scene at the beginning where she's going through her speech

(31:31):
and like running it by her dad and like she, you could tell
she's very self-conscious about it and he's like building her.
I was like, no, no, that's hilarious.
You're so funny. And it dies.
Like it just does not go over well.
But like she plays like she's very confident in her skills and
abilities, but she does also have this self consciousness

(31:53):
about her social skills and justshe does such a good job of
playing that of like she we all knew that kid who was like much
better at communicating with theteachers than than the other.
Students. Yep, Yep.
And like I'm, I'm thinking of her right now and she was our
valedictorian and she was wonderful.

(32:15):
She was a. Wonderful person, but yeah, it's
it. She was it.
It would be nice to see that person kind of get their moment
of like getting to be a teenager, which is what this
movie was about, was her gettingto be a teenager while while her
dad's kind of forcing her to become an adult.

(32:36):
Right, right. Yeah, That's well established
there at the beginning where she's talking at least.
Like, you know, you sacrificed all the parties, all the
vacations, you know, all the things that other teenagers are
doing, you were in their books or whatever.
And so it's like, that sounds good, like you and now me as a
dad, I'm like, yes. Then I want to send them like,
no, I want my daughter to have alife.
I want her to have friends and, and, and, and enjoy being with

(32:57):
her friends. Yes, school is important and I
want her grades to be good, but I don't want her to miss out on
these years of her life to make those kind of friendships that I
had when I was in in high school.
So, so yeah, it's it, It was interesting.
I'll say, you know, say early onit was interesting watching it
again at my age and try to understand the father's
perspective, which he's still not likable or like, you know,

(33:19):
by the end of the movie, you really don't like him.
But at the same time, like I, I I.
Understand his intentions I. Understand his intentions as
good as they may have been, you crossed a line that you knew you
shouldn't have crossed. Yeah.
So so it's it is interesting to kind of because back then I was
just like, he's a jerk. Why would he even do you know,
you just you know, I call all adults were when you were that
age. But you know, kind of seeing it

(33:40):
once again, such a well layered movie, such a well layered
script to kind of give you those, you know, watching it
from different perspectives and seeing it from different
perspectives for sure. And I will say too, like he, I
get the impression that he also wanted her to get to have a
relationship and get to have that time.

(34:02):
Like, he respected her choice to, you know, focus on her
studies because when Lloyd firstshows up, he's supportive of her
being with Lloyd. It's when he finds out that
Lloyd, like, wants to be a kickboxer for a living.
And he's just kind of like, OK, well, my daughter wants to go to
England and become a doctor and you want to be a kickboxer and

(34:26):
be her boyfriend. And those are your goals in.
Life Yeah, yeah, I think in thatespecially like at the
beginning, like you said with that that scene when you first
meets Lloyd and even when the whole thing about, you know no
one ever call you a priest. Like he's saying like, I don't
even know what that means but I'm gonna use the word you just
said. I think the dad, even though
it's it's it's becomes evident towards the end is that he's

(34:47):
basically driven her life and made the decisions for her.
He still kind of teeters on that.
I want to be your father but also want to be your friend.
But you know, you kind of say like almost in a controlling way
where I wanted. I want you to tell me everything
so I know, which is the big kindof like the twist at the end,
but like the whole thing where like she's like, I can tell you

(35:09):
everything. I've never told you a lie.
I've told you everything. And then you've kept this huge
secret, this huge lie. You lied to me my whole life and
you kept this from me. Like that is the ultimate
betrayal that he did to her. And that's why it it lands so
well in the movie. And her reaction is so genuine
in that moment. It does make sense because you

(35:30):
she's clearly been manipulated by him for so long and it makes
you wonder, like when she was a teen and she had to go before
the courts and say she wanted tobe with her dad.
Like, what did that look like? Because there's a lots of times
throughout the movie where she says, no, I'm not going to do

(35:51):
that. And he just talks to her in a
way where and and even if she's like adamantly opposed to what
he's saying, he knows the screw to turn to make her do what he
wants. Right, right.
It's, it's an interesting dynamic.

(36:11):
And then just kind of seeing herwhole world come crumbling down
and realizing like this person that she has trusted her entire
life has lied to her and and isolated her from the person who
actually has been honest with her since they met.
And yeah, it's an interesting, it's interesting dynamic there,

(36:36):
there. It's just that moment of when
you go like, oh, my parents are flawed.
I feel like every every kid has that moment of just like, oh,
now, granted her moment was muchbigger than a lot, most
people's, but just just that moment of like, oh, my parents
don't know everything. My parents are flogged.

(36:57):
They they make mistakes and theylie even.
Yeah, as we find out once we became parents, like, oh, that's
why you did that. Oh.
I get it. I.
Get it? Yeah, I've.
I have no ill will towards you now because I know why you.
Yeah, I must have drove you crazy.
And they would say, yes, you did.
Yeah. All right, well, Speaking of the

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liar, let's talk about Jim Court, played by John Mahoney.
After moving from England to theUS, he began his career in
Chicago as a member of the Steffen Wolf Theatre Company.
He earned a Tony Award for Best Featured Actor in a Play for his
performance in the 1986 Broadwayrevival of The House of Blue
Leaves, and went on to achieve wider recognition for his roles
in films like Suspect and Moonstruck in 87.

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His other credits include Ten Men in 87, Frantic 8 Men Out in
1988, Barton Fink in 91, Striking Distance in the Line of
Fire in 93, Reality Bites in 94,The American President in 95 and
the list goes on and on. Of course, he was also famous
for being Fraser Crane's dad in the TV show Fraser Spin off a

(38:02):
Cheer. So on April 30th, 2019, the film
had a 30th anniversary screeningat the Tribeca Film Festival
with Cameron Crowe, James O Brooks and The Only Sky in
attendance. During the panel, Crowe revealed
that before casting John Mahoney, Dick Van Dyke expressed
interest in the role to the point where he met with Crowe
and Brooks to discuss the screenplay.

(38:23):
Mr. Crowe also stated that earlyon in the casting process for
the part, the production sent the screenplay to Richard
Dreyfuss, who, after reading it,sent back a note to Mr. Crowe
that read as follows. Great script.
I want to play Lloyd. Oh no.

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But yeah, but they they talked about John Mahoney being kind of
like the anchor of the cast, like he was the one kind of well
known serious actor that was going to bring some, let you
know, not levity, but kind of bring some.
Gravitas. Gravitas.
Yeah, yeah, Bring some, you know, oh, this is a real movie.
This isn't just another teen teen comedy or teen romantic

(39:07):
movie like bringing him on as anactor and, you know, he's from
Chicago. Him and Cusack were working on
Eight men out at the time when they both got the script.
And so they talked, they actually talked about it
together about the possibility of doing the movie.
And so he was a big reason why Cusack actually agreed because

(39:27):
he wanted to work with Mahoney again.
So that that was a big that was a big part of why the movie got
got as got as far along as it did.
So but he was great. I mean just.
Oh good. I mean, even watching it again,
you know that. Scene in the bathtub, the scene
where he's in the bathtub and just like, obviously I've never

(39:47):
screwed up to that extent. But like that moment of just
when you know that every like you've done something wrong and
it is all coming crashing down around you and there's no way
out. And just that.
Like frozen in fear. Like what?
Just that that you read every like he didn't say a word.

(40:11):
He barely did anything. It was all in his eyes.
It's not like he was running around making big boot.
He wasn't crying or anything. No, he was just, and I knew
exactly what he felt. That was a scene that could have
easily have gone in the wrong direction of going over the top
for an emotion instead of just what would a father really do in

(40:35):
that moment? I you know, I don't understand
why you want to get in the bathtub like that.
That's still like even watching.I was like, I see that like cry
in the shower. They get in the bathtub.
I don't understand why. I mean, maybe I just never I've
never got to the point where like that's the go to place.
I don't know if it's like you feel the safest there or you
just because it's in the bathroom and you're kind of
surrounded. I don't know.

(40:57):
But anyway, yeah, not taking anything away from the scene was
just like when it started, I waslike, why is it?
Why is it always the bathtub? But but yeah, it's all in.
It's all in his facial expression, like you're his eyes
of like, it's almost like I got to read his thoughts.
It's like I've been found out. What am I going to do?
What do I do? What's the next step?
Where do I go? I've been.

(41:17):
I've been so cautious up to thispoint to make sure this doesn't
happen and yet it's happened andI don't have, I don't have a
backup plan. I don't have an escape route.
Like there's there's nothing I can do.
Yeah, it's definitely like I felt like he was sitting there
thinking like, what can I do? What can I do?
What can I do? How can I get out of this?

(41:38):
What, how can I fix this? How could?
And nothing is coming. Like he has exhausted every
outlet at that point. And there's no way to save
himself at this point. And he knows it, but he just
doesn't want to accept it yet. Right, right.
Yeah, it's great scene. Like if it's like a minute long,

(41:59):
nothing is said. Not too short, and it is.
Not too long. Yeah, yeah.
Beautiful. All right, Moving right along,
Lily Taylor as Corey Flood, who was obsessed with Joe.
She encountered, she encounteredmainstream success with parts
and films such as Born on the 4th of July, Rudy Ransom, The
Haunting, High Fidelity, Brooklyn's Finest Public

(42:20):
Enemies, The Conjuring, and the list goes on and on.
Of course, I knew her from Mystic Pizza, which came out the
same year she was in it with Julie Roberts.
That was my first movie with herin it.
And then seeing this shortly thereafter.
She's a great actress. She's great in this role for
sure. Yeah, Cusack knew her from
before the film because she usedto go out with his friend DV

(42:44):
Devinticus. I don't know who would later
write High, High Fidelity and Gross Point Blank, which he was
a part of. So Crow told Entertainment Movie
that Lloyd's bestie Corey was named after a Corey from
Philadelphia who had a relationship with a guy named
Joe. He said she was always talking
about this guy and she sent me atape that had a whole bunch of

(43:06):
songs and she said a lot of themare about Joe.
Four years after the movie wrapped, Lily Taylor met the
real Corey, and she said she wasstill talking about Joe Taylor.
Also mentioned. How strangers on the street will
run into her and ask her to singJoe lies.
She said I really don't want to do that you know on the street.
But it struck a chord of people and I appreciate it.

(43:26):
So yeah. And if you don't know Cameron
Crowe is married to Nancy Wilsonfrom heart the the group heart.
And so they were dating. I think they are they're married
at that point. But some of the he he say he
took a lot of things from their dating relationship to and put
in the movie. But one of the things they did
is because she and a lot like you'll notice in the opening

(43:48):
credits, it says like additionalmusic, Nancy Wilson.
So like any time someone's playing the guitar, there's like
little guitar riffs in the background.
That's her like she added those.Things in there.
But he said they had like they just were having fun one weekend
like pre production and they're like we're going to write all 65
songs because they literally wrote 65 songs about Joe that no

(44:10):
one will ever hear and which one?
I think it's Joe Lies. He said has like 64 verses.
He's like, it's so long. But he said they had so much fun
just creating these, you know, these songs that I'm sure that
they gave that to her for her tolike develop my character.
But I just yeah, Cho Cho lies when they cry.

(44:35):
It's so good. I she's so it's just earnest.
Yes. She's so earnest in the in the
part. And it's so like I, I was not to
that extent, but like very serious.
About it. Like she definitely thinks she's

(44:55):
that teenager that thinks she isacting very mature and much
older. But like when she's 30, she's
going to look back and be like, Oh my gosh, what was?
I doing. Yeah, but Like, takes herself so
seriously and it's just so funny, but like, in a sweet way,

(45:17):
like not in a cruel making fun of way, but in a like, honest
description that makes you look back and think back.
And it's timeless because like Isaid, this movie came out the
year after I was born. I was not in high school until,
you know, 15-16 years later and I still like relate to a lot of

(45:42):
the things that are said and done in that time.
Just the vibe of it. It's very relatable.
That character is so funny. And I also love how his female
friends are just ride or die forLloyd.
Like they tell him, like, I don't know, I don't know if
that's good. And then they're like, you know

(46:02):
what, you're the best. We love you, Lloyd.
You're you're doing the best. And, and I'm sorry, but Diane
was right. He's basic, there's, he's really
not special. He's a nice guy, but there's
nothing spectacular about him. Yeah, yeah.
But he's nice and you can't discount that at I just love his

(46:25):
friends are like, no, you're great.
We love you because I'd say thatto my friends, like my friends,
I'm like, you're the best and I love you and I think you you got
this. That's incredible, what you just
did. Which I love the scene where
like, I think it's after the letter and they're talking and
they're like, like, man, would you ever do date Lloyd?

(46:47):
And she's like, yeah. And like, yeah, I would like
they they. But because they're such good
friends, like they had never seen him in that light.
But they're, they're supportive and they're all for him.
And they're like, well, Dang, ifI would have known he was going
to treat me like he's treating her like he would love somebody
like that. Like, shoot, what am I doing?
You know, yeah, My favorite scene of hers, though, is the

(47:10):
scene where her and Joe see eachother and she's at the
refrigerator in the garage or whatever.
Hi, Joe. How?
Are you? Hi, Joe.
However, I love you. Yeah.
It's like, yes, like all you know, all this.
So close. You were so close.
All this defense of like, I'll never, you know, don't talk to
Joe. Don't talk to Joe.
I'm not going to talk to Joe. I love you.

(47:30):
I love you too. I want to get back together.
Mimi's going away to college. I'm going to break up where she
leaves, have sex with me. Yeah.
It's like Joe, you know, like, yeah, it's like, it's like.
And you are the reason why she doesn't really like, I mean you.
You had her until you had that last time.
Justice for her, like she she really did the original who

(47:51):
she's based off Corey like Glad to see that she did overcome her
love of Joe, at least if it was only in the movie.
There's always that one that gotaway though, right?
Yeah, and I will say if we're going to talk about his like
female friendships, another thing, like I legitimately the

(48:12):
funniest thing in the whole movie is when he's doing the the
voice recorder, he's leaving thevoice memo for his friends.
And he makes the comment of like, I need more guy friends.
I and I'm I'm going to go hang out with the guys at the and and
they say all of this like toxic masculinity stuff and all this
crap. And his response is just to kind

(48:33):
of push back, and he pushes backa little bit and it all falls
apart and he gets in the car. Well, that was a mistake.
Yeah, yeah, one of my favorite scenes for sure.
Like you guys know such about this?
Why are you sending a sibling pup on a Friday night?
By by choice, man. By choice.
Like dude. Like it and it all.
Just. Immediately falls.

(48:54):
Right. And looking back, it came from
Joe. Joe is the one that said by
choice. And like Joe, you have a
girlfriend who obviously doesn'twant to, doesn't even want to be
with you right now. Oh, my gosh.
Yeah. All right, let's move, Move it.
We're we're moving along. All right.
So we mentioned before DC is played by Amy Brooks.
Her supporting role and Say Anything was only the second
acting gig for her, but it was also one of her last.

(49:16):
She is the daughter of successful screenwriter,
producer James L Brooks, who's the producer of this movie.
She later had a supporting role,and I'll Do Anything, which was
another movie written and directed by her father.
This was her final role as an actor.
She has since worked in multipledepartments of film production,
including service and assistant editor on ATV movie in 2001.
In more recent years, she's moved into producing and she Co

(49:39):
produced the coming of age film The Edge of 17 with her father.
And she also just produced the Junie Bloom adaptation.
Are you there God? It's me, Margaret that came out
in 2023. So she's still still around.
Yeah. She was like, that was one of
those people. Like her face was is instantly
recognizable. But I was surprised.
She really didn't do anything pretty much after that.
But she made a decent role. And then Rebecca, as I

(50:03):
mentioned, really was like the younger, younger girl, dark
hair. She's played by Pamela Adlaw.
Now that name may not seem like I wouldn't know that name, but
she's been in a ton of stuff. Then she was known as Pamela
Segal. Her acting debut was in Grease 2
in 1982. Her other notable films included

(50:23):
Bed of Roses in 96, Lucky Thirteen 2005, Conception in
2011, All Square in 2018. She was in Bumblebee in 2018,
and she made her feature film directory debut with the comedy
Babes that came out last year in2024.
But if you see her now, like she's been in like a ton of
stuff. So she's looks very familiar.

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And then moving along, we got Lauren Dean, as we mentioned, as
Joe. He appeared on stage in the
feature films including the the title character and Billy
Bathgate, as well as Apollo 13, Space Cowboys and Ed Astra.
I recognize his face. I knew he'd been in other stuff.
Somebody else from Frazier, BB, New Earth, New Earth as well as
Evans. This was her.
This was her film debut. If you didn't know on TV.

(51:08):
Her breakthrough role was DoctorLilith on Frasier at Frasier
Crane's wife on the sitcom Cheers and also on Frasier and
the Frasier revival. She's also been in Jumanji,
Jumanji, the Next level, Green Card, Bugsy, Summer of Sand, How
to Lose a guy in 10 days. Of course, she's got a huge
Broadway background as well as well.
We won't get into that, but justa great little cameo there of

(51:29):
her would like before people really knew she was and then
almost unrecognizable. Eric Stoltz as Valaire, the guy
who's hosting the party. I won't go into his filmography,
but fun fact, in addition to thebeing the character who to the
graduation party, he was also the celebrity PA on set.
He literally fetched coffee for Cusack because he wanted to

(51:53):
experience all facets of filmmaking.
Well, I guess when you get firedfrom Back to the Future, you'll
do anything. Yeah.
But yeah, I always forget that'shim because it doesn't even look
like him in the movie. So I'm going to mention these.
They're very quick. You know, most people, they're
very small roles, but worth mentioning.
Kim Walker as Sheila. She was one of the girls that

(52:17):
Diane talks to at the party she owned for a role as Heather
Chandler in 1988 black comedy Heathers.
So they're the only thing she was in.
Jason Dobler, the nephew of Lloyd, was played by Glenn
Walker Harris Junior. He did a few things as a kid
actor, but didn't do anything else.
But I just want to mention his name because he's just so.
The cutest kid ever. And then, of course, Joan Cusack

(52:40):
was uncredited for a small role as Lloyd's sister and say
anything, but she's been in a couple other movies with him as
well. Philip Baker Hall as the IRS
boss who tells basically tells Diane that her father's guilty
character actor's been in a ton of stuff.
I won't go through his filmography, but want to mention
his name. Richard Port now is the one of
the IRS agents been in a ton of movies as well.

(53:02):
One of those that guys among theextras in the movie are Barbra
Streisand's son who played the drunk guy who had to be driven
home, David Lee Roth's daughter,Chyna Phillips, who played Joe's
girlfriend and of course Jeremy Piven who Cusack called Gerald,
which I believe was Piven's nickname.
But they they've been friends. They were roommates.
Yeah, he does show up in a couple of of his movies, but

(53:24):
he's hilarious in the movie. And John Cusack's kickboxing
scenes in the ring, including the one where his nose is
broken, are done with Don Wilson, who is a real life
kickboxing champion. Nice.
So. Also this is a like complete
side. You wouldn't know her just by
looking at her. OK, but Polly Platt was one of

(53:45):
the women and she's very famous producer, so she produced this
movie. She produced like Terms of
Endearment, tons of movies throughout the years like iconic
film producer. Yeah, there's a lot of like,
cameos of like other like musician with Nancy Wilson being
in the rock scene, and of coursewith Cameron Crowe writing for

(54:07):
Rolling Stone for all those years.
I had a lot of people, you know,even some deleted scenes or
scenes that didn't make the final cut.
There were other cameos that we didn't see, so yeah.
All right. Anybody else in the cast you
want to mention that was it? No.
That's really it. I just, I was just like, hey,
Polly Platt was there. Yeah, that's really cool.
All right, I always say this forthis movie, but I think we

(54:28):
already know, we've already referenced this already iconic
scene. We all know what it is holding
the holding the boom box over his head is the most iconic
scene. It is when anybody says say
anything, that's always the first thing.
That's the only thing you think of?
It's on every poster in any kindof marketing for this movie
since the movie came out has gotthat on it because it is.

(54:48):
It is the most iconic. But what's interesting to know,
and some people may know this already, but I found it
fascinating. Both actors in the famous
boombox scene were filmed separately.
John Cusack held the boombox in the middle of a park in North
Hollywood across from 7:11. It was the very last scene shot
on the last day of shooting. Ione Sky's bedroom was actually

(55:09):
a set, so they weren't even close to each other.
It was. Weird because it doesn't look
anything like her front yard, soit doesn't like I I'd read
something like that and then watched it today and I was like,
yeah, that's not her front yard.Yeah, at all.
I watched it again. When I watched it again before I

(55:30):
I knew that they were done separately.
I didn't know all the details about it until after, but the
music isn't that loud. So I kind of got the the way I
interpreted this time was like, he's not directly across from
her house. He might be like a block away,
like at a park and just playing it really loud and she just kind
of barely hear. I know it's it's I'm stretch.

(55:50):
It's a stretch. That's a stretch.
But so they did film it in the neighborhood across from her
house several times. Cusack did not want to hold the
boom box over his head. That was he was not for it at
all. There's a lot of, if you watch
the deleted scenes and there's even some like photos out there
where he wanted to like sit on the car and have the boom box on

(56:12):
the car next to him. He holds it up like long ways,
like holding one speaker with itup, you know, And you know, he
tried all these different ways. And then they were also what
they just couldn't find the right.
It just wasn't working. And so they were watching, they
were going back and watching thedailies and the scene where
they're coming out of the 711 and he kicks the glass after the

(56:35):
first date, he kicks the glass out of the way.
He said they were thinking aboutthat, that scene and they
remember there was a park acrossthe street.
So that was actually filmed at the park across from 7:11 and
they were wrapping up on the last day.
And the film, the cinematographer and I didn't
write his name down, but his award-winning, he was like, you
know what? I was in that park the other
night. It has a great sunset.

(56:56):
If we get over there right now, we might be able to get a decent
scene. And literally that was what they
did. They got there just in time to
set it up and they caught it as the sun was going down.
And if you watch the behind the scenes, like they camera crows
talking like he's like you can hear the we're losing the light.
We're losing the light because they were having to film it as
the sun was going down. But they finally, he finally
convinced him to hold the the boom box up over his head.

(57:20):
But yeah, it was. Lloyd's not cool enough to just
like sitting on the car like that would look like he was too
cool. Yeah, like the holding it above
his head is so. Yeah.
More Lloyd, I think. And that goes into this.
So there are a lot of stories about what the song was supposed
to be during the boom boxing, asit was originally written, it
was going to be Billy Idol's To Be a Lover.

(57:40):
The actual song playing during filming was Fish Bones Turn the
Other Way. A few songwriters were
commissioned to come up with a song, including The Smithereens,
but none of them worked. Eventually, Crow found In Your
Eyes on a wedding tape that he had made for his own wedding to
Nancy Wilson, but he had to get permission from Gabriel to use a
song, and Gabriel asked to see the movie.
Crow had the production company send him an unfinished cut.

(58:03):
Gabriel initially declined permission to use a song, saying
he liked the film but not the lead character.
Overdosing at the end. And Crow was like, what?
And he realized that Gabriel hadactually seen a copy of Wired, a
biopic about John Belushi, by accident.
Oh. No, once he saw the rough cut of
Say Anthem. Yeah, one.
Well, when the guy was saying like he was Peter Gabriel was

(58:24):
getting bombarded by all these studios wanting to use his music
for different movies. And so when he called, well,
actually when he called and talked to Cameron Crowe, he
didn't know. He thought that was who.
He thought that was the movie they were talking about, and it
wasn't. So he said he hadn't even seen
the Say Anything clip they had sent yet.
So they made sure he watched it.He quickly called back and gave
his approval. So but one of the things that
Cameron cross in that scene was he had to get Cusack get to the

(58:48):
point where he wasn't giving himlike the facial, like he just
looked irritated, like he lookedfrustrated.
He's like, that's not he's like you're going to have to fall on
your sword and like, say like this is I'm I'm I'm showing my
love, like I'm, I'm letting my defenses down.
He said he he would because he was frustrated about having to
hold the boombox up. He was like, you got to get past

(59:09):
it. And so but what's funny is like
one of the scenes when it was across the street and they
filmed and he was holding the boom box like on the on the car,
you could hear the original songthat was being played.
And it's like an upbeat, weird type of song.
But Cusack was a huge fan of theband.
That's why he wanted it in there.
And Cameron basically said it's like, this is like, it doesn't
make sense. It sounds like a guy who really

(59:31):
wants his ex-girlfriend to like the music he likes.
He's that's how the scene is reading.
It doesn't read like I'm trying to win you back.
And so, you know, it finally worked.
So yeah, so the iconic scene took some, took some doing to
become iconic, which I thought was kind of cool.
So. I just love that the IT it's it
is what I think of even even before I had seen the movie.

(59:54):
It is what you of when you thinkof John Cusack is him holding
that boom box above his head. And so just to think that he.
Doesn't didn't even want to filmit that way.
And that's that is so iconic. Just As for him as an actor.

(01:00:15):
Yeah, and I think it was like Cameron was like you, you have
to trust me. He's like, it's going to work.
Trust me. You don't see it, he said, but
I'm I'm seeing it. You just got to trust me.
And he he relents it and said, Itrust you in that, you know, and
it it's become the most most famous scene for sure.
All right, let's jump into favorite scenes the whole movie
or it stands out for you as likea top, top favorite scene.

(01:00:41):
I, I will say I've, I've said ita couple of times, the scene of
him doing the voice memo to his friends.
It's, it's just really good. And it's just, it's so it's so
young person's just been dumped and just kind of like just word
vomit, just speaking stream of consciousness.

(01:01:02):
And it's he's heartbroken and he's mad at her.
But at the same time, like it's not the anger's not directed to
her. It's more just like he's still,
he thinks he's not good enough and maybe he's mad at her dad,
but he's it. He still cares about her.

(01:01:22):
What's interesting, like going back and watching is like, I
don't think she she knew it was her dad that was forcing her to
kind of break up with him. I don't think he really
understood that. Like he knew he she was close to
him, but especially because the way the scene plays out, like
he's telling her he loves her, which is like a big step, and
then all of a sudden she breaks up.

(01:01:43):
So I think for him it's like I did I.
I I this is my fault? Yeah, I, I pushed her away.
I shouldn't have said it. Yeah, once again, once again is
just self doubting. It's like I, I, you know, so
that's, that's the way I kind ofread the scene, which makes
sense, like, and it's hard because I think I'd forgotten
that her dad gave her the pen. Yeah, it.

(01:02:03):
Was her dad's idea to give him the pen?
Yeah. And so when she gives.
Response was I would never do that.
To him, yes. And then that's what she ends up
doing, which I love to come up. Come up.
It's at the end where when I leave to go to Europe, she gives
the dad the same pen. Like, you know, she wanted to
give you a pen. She's writer.
Yeah, which is great. I would, I would get in trouble

(01:02:23):
if I didn't tell you my husband's favorite line of the
movie, which is I gave her my heart.
She gave me a pen. Yeah.
By far one of the best lines forsure.
Yeah, yeah. No, I think the best line is
you've got to chill. Yes, I have you, your keys, you.
Must chill. Yeah, You must chill.
Yeah, that's, yeah. One of the one of the most

(01:02:46):
quoted for sure. After this movie.
We've used that a lot. I love all the scenes with him
and the nephew with the punchingbag.
Yeah. It's just so it really shows
like he's just a good guy. Like at the end of the day,
that's what you glean from it islike he's, he's just a good guy.
Like most teen boys would not play with their nephew like

(01:03:10):
that. They just wouldn't.
And it's, it's just endearing. I, I honestly, I love the party.
The party scene is so funny. There's like multiple like beats
in it that just really I love when Diane is talking to the
girl who is just like, I know that this year was super

(01:03:31):
competitive, but and and like talking about how and Diane, you
could tell like this girl was not on her radar.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Yeah. But she picked up on the social
queue enough to be like, Oh yeah, no, you 2 for that for me.
Yeah, yeah. And it's just.
That's funny. And then, like I said, the
Jeremy Piven just being so much.And then you said it was Barbra

(01:03:56):
Streisand's son. And Elliot Gould, Barbra
Streisand and Elliot Gould, I didn't even know they were they
were a couple, but yeah. Him in the it's so funny to me,
him in the bathroom, because as it as an adult person who has
drunk alcohol and you hit that point where you've had too much
and you stand in the bathroom and you just go.

(01:04:20):
Right, right. That moment cracks me up because
it's a real moment that you don't often get to see
represented. Yeah, and I love when they I got
to go home. I got to get home.
And he doesn't know where he lives.
I don't know where I live. Yeah, we're about to play three
hours of non-stop music and thenthe sun comes up.

(01:04:40):
Lord have mercy 3 AO what a great way to like show how long
they've been driving. It's like anything look familiar
yet? And and Cameron Crowe talked
about that character. He was like, that was just that
guy that everybody knew in high school that like had that hair
and wanted to be like as popularas everybody else and thought
that his hair, like his hair washis identity and like how he

(01:05:01):
dread like that was it. And it was just like, what a way
to just put that guy in the movie and just give him that
little bit, that little bit of amoment.
Yeah. But one of my all time favorite
scenes is the dinner and his speech.
I don't want to sell anything, buy anything or process anything
as a career. I don't want to sell anything
bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or

(01:05:22):
process anything sold, bought orprocessed, or repair anything
sold, bought or processed. You know, as a career.
I don't want to do that. It's fair.
You know what? That's fair.
You got to go in there knowing what you do and do not want to
do. Right.
And I can't tell you how many times that not that because I
couldn't memorize it, but like that would play in my head if I
was ever like meeting an adult. So what do you want to do with

(01:05:45):
the rest of your life? Well, I don't want to sell
anything, buy anything or process anything.
You know, just you like you wanted to be able to say that
speech as well as he did. And so The funny thing about
that scene is Cusack wanted he wanted Doppler to be like more
like political, like he wouldn'thave this manifesto.
Like, what do you really believed in?
And that's what that kind of came from, like the the little
bits and parts. So they were trying to work it

(01:06:06):
into that scene at the dinner party.
So a lot of what you see in the film is him trying to remember
the lines and the way they kind of edited it came across as
like, he's nervous. That's why he's kind of what
he's frantically writing, reading or saying it.
And he said it just worked. Like we cut a lot of stuff of
what he actually said and just put those pieces together where
he just looked the most uncomfortable because it read as

(01:06:29):
I'm nervous. I don't know what to say.
I'm just going to ramble about something that I think I may
know or understand. And so I thought that was that
was great. How they they, they kind of,
that was kind of pieced togetherin editing, which that was
pretty cool. And I it's so real, it's
realistic of just like he's 18, he doesn't know what he wants to
do with his life. But also if my child who was

(01:06:51):
about to go to another. Country.
To pursue something that she hasbeen actively pursuing for most
of her life, has sacrificed her whole high school career just so
that she can get to this moment.And then she's at the finish
line and she starts dating a guywho just says, like, yeah, no, I

(01:07:13):
just want to be your daughter's boyfriend.
That's what I want to be. I'm really good at being your
daughter's. I would be like, I'm sorry, I'm
going to need you to have your own thing because.
Right. And it, it falls into, you know,
obviously the dad leaves the, you know, understandable

(01:07:37):
reaction pretty quickly. But in that moment, I'm just
like, no, because very often a young woman who has those kinds
of dreams and aspirations has tosacrifice those for a male
partner. And if the male partner has no
aspirations, he's just going to what like follow her around.

(01:07:59):
And at what point is she going to have to, she's either going
to have to dump him or she's going to, you know, be have to
choose between him and what she's worked so hard for.
And I get it. Like, like I would look at that
moment in horror. I'd be like, Oh no, what's what

(01:08:21):
do I do? How do I make this not happen
anymore? Right.
Yeah, but also don't steal from the elderly and don't don't
commit tax fraud. You'll have a lot more leg to
stand on. I'm just saying with your teen
daughter, if you don't do those two things.
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Another one of my favorite exchanges between Lloyd and his
nephew was the reference to the Hey Soul Classics TV commercial

(01:10:09):
that aired frequently in the 80s.
Hey Love was a compilation of 1970s R&B songs that was sold on
TV. The line from the commercial.
No, my brother, you got to buy your own became a catch phrase
of the time. And I do love, like, Hey, my
brother, can I borrow a copy of your Hey Soul Classics?
No, my brother, you have to go buy your own.
Hook up the jab. Hook up hook.
Yeah, like the like the fightinghere.

(01:10:30):
So cute. You know this this became a big
thing in in the behind the scenes.
Ione. Skye was quite turned on by
Cusack during the car driving scene, saying that if she didn't
have a boyfriend and he didn't have a girlfriend in real life
at the time, that's it, that they probably would have gone
home together. Apparently, however, Ione's real
life boyfriend waited around hertrailer all day, but she said it

(01:10:51):
was really annoying. She says that in another life
she and John would have been a great love.
And several points during the commentary for the DVD, Sky and
Cusack confessed romantic attraction toward another during
filming. So and.
And Crow, yeah, Crow talks abouta lot, he said.
He said there's those scenes like, we're in there in the car
and the scene within the diner. He's like, he said, I really

(01:11:12):
felt like I was watching two people fall in love.
He said it wasn't. You could say they were acting,
he said. But I really felt like I was.
I was kind of peeking in on thisrelationship blooming.
He said it was beautiful to watch them really kind of fall
for each other in those moments.So.
Yeah, so the scene we went to the scene after the break up
where Cusack is bummed out and talking to his his friends again
up against the fence, including Piven.

(01:11:34):
Except for Dagaple and Joe, those were all Cusack's real
life friends. And because the studio wouldn't
do it, Crow and Cusack paid to fly them out from Chicago for
that scene. So once again, Chicago actors
for a movie set in Seattle that was filmed entirely in LA.
Yes, I see no problems. That's that's the magic of movie

(01:11:58):
making, ladies and gentlemen. I don't understand why it had to
be set in Seattle. Like Seattle's supposed to be so
rainy, and it really isn't. Super rainy.
It only rains when it when it's appropriate.
It rains when they break up because it's got to be sad.
It rains when they kiss in the rain because that's a romantic.
You got to have the kissing in the rain soon.
Yeah, so. But other than that, yeah, it

(01:12:19):
really doesn't. The roads are wet a few times,
but that's just magic. Yeah.
So you can Seattle. This was sort of the beginning
of a trend where Seattle was used as a backdrop for many
films made in the late 80s and early 90s, which we believe was
coincided with the burgeoning Seattle rock music scene during
the time period. So I think that's probably why
was Seattle, because that was the music like, Like watching it

(01:12:42):
now after doing so many 80s movies, Like it really feels
more like a 90s soundtrack than an 80s soundtrack because of the
Seattle sound. Like that was so much more
prominent. And like, not for us on the East
Coast, that was much more prominent, like the late 90s.
I mean, you don't know that because you weren't old enough.
But like, for me it was like 9293 where like Nirvana became

(01:13:03):
big and like, that's when we gotall those kind of those groups
or whatever. I want to mention this deleted
scene. I, I, I want to mention it and I
don't want to mention. You'll understand why.
Have you watched any of the deleted scenes?
I have not, no. So you'll appreciate this one
knowing you were going to be on the podcast.
I knew I had to ring those up. So there are a few deleted
scenes and most of them you can understand why they're deleted.
You know, they and they were, they weren't like full on scenes

(01:13:25):
and were like little like extensions or whatever.
This was a full deleted scene from the film where Mr. Deegan,
one of Diane Court's teacher is at the party because we already
saw the the guidance counselor was there.
So they're in this room and they're talking, and he casually
tells Diane, I'd like to see yousometime.

(01:13:45):
And I was always smiling at you.And she responded, I just
thought you were a nice, happy guy.
He then attempts to kiss her. After she steps away, he says to
her, I wish you were older. It seems pretty obvious why the
scene was cut. I will say it gives a good
glimpse of who Diane is because she stands up for herself.
Like, she doesn't, you know, take any crap from anybody.

(01:14:06):
But he's so creepy. And it's played by Dan Costello,
who was the one of, you know, who's the voice of Homer
Simpson. Homer Simpson, which James L
Brooks is a it was the producer of The Simpsons.
And for you know, I didn't put this in the notes, but like when
it came out in the theaters, there was a Simpson short before
the movie started. And on the UKVHS releases, they

(01:14:28):
put the same short on the on thethe VHS.
But anyway. But yeah, so it's a really it's
a very cringe worthy scene. And I was like, I'm glad they
cut it out. I was like, if this was in the
movie, Bethany would spend 45 minutes talking about how it's
horrible. It's awful.
I already think it's weird that the guidance counselor was
there. Like, teachers don't need to be

(01:14:50):
at a high school party. Like if you're there, that's a
problem. There's something wrong with
you. Like there's a bunch of teen
drinking and like you don't needto be there.
That's not that party's not for you.
If you're there, it's for nefarious reasons.
And so I'm glad it's not in the movie because that would make

(01:15:12):
me, that would make me honestly not like the movie.
Yeah, it it would have. It would have definitely have
tarnished it for sure. Like I said, you could.
There's no point in it. Like I said it it it prized like
I can see how I was trying to give another like side of Diane
that you hadn't seen yet. But we see that later.
But we see it later. Yeah, we didn't need it so that

(01:15:34):
I got cut. There was another pretty decent
scene. I understand why it was cut,
too. And it's a scene of the dad
while Diane's watching him and he's given a presentation.
And I'm not really sure where it's supposed to be in the
movie, if it's like during the investigation or before, where
he's answering questions about money that needs to be spent.
I think it's like, I think he's going to a board to like ask for

(01:15:55):
more money for some things. And I think it was there to kind
of give more like make us a little bit more sympathetic
towards him of why? Because he talks a little bit
more about like how he's taking care of the the people and, you
know, he's the only one that cares for them.
And he tells stories about, you know, family members that
abandoned their, their, their, their, their aging parents,

(01:16:18):
their, which once again, is verytrue.
I mean, you know, some things hesays is very true.
Does it justify what he does? Absolutely not.
But he's pleading his case. And so I'm glad they cut it
because you don't want to, you don't want to sympathize with
him. You don't want to make him, you
know, because yeah, it was, it was an interesting scene.
It was too long too. They had they had to cut it
down. But I.

(01:16:39):
Think they also they they portrayed enough like when when
Diane finally confronts him about it and he just basically
says like, well put me in a home, but make sure it's
somebody with somebody like. Me.
Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, That scene.
That's another great scene too. Yeah, that scene where she
confronts him. Yeah, it's so heartbreaking, but

(01:17:00):
that's that's another example ofher standing.
That's hard. That's hard.
It's hard to like, confront anybody that you know has been
lying to confront your dad. And she gave him every option to
fess up. Like he says, tell me the truth,
tell me the truth, tell me the truth.
Swear to God, I swear to God I found the money.

(01:17:21):
And then it was like, his face, like, completely goes white.
And he's like, oh, man, yeah. But then he then he tries to
defend himself. Like, you know, I take care of
these people better than than their own family.
You know, I care about them morethan their own families.
But. Yeah, and it's it's
heartbreaking because also like she's so honest, like so

(01:17:41):
painfully honest with him the whole movie to the point where
it is cringy. Like there are things she tells
him. I I'm a married woman with two
kids. I would not tell my dad about
it. Like.
And it's. Just it's I, I wouldn't do that
and I she did. And like, if that's the

(01:18:03):
relationship you have with your parent, that's great, but it is
heartbreaking to know for her that that's not a two way St.
Exactly. All right, let's jump in the box
office, a critical reception so we can wrap this puppy up.
All right, so say anything. Open on April 14th, 1989.
And the United States had landedat #3 at the box office that

(01:18:25):
weekend, beating out several other new releases such as Tony
Danza's comedy She's Out of Control.
It's not at #4 as well as Disney's live action family
flick Disorganized Crime at #6 The Holdovers, Major League and
the Dream Team held onto the first and second slot for the
second week in a row. So it, it, it was, it was a

(01:18:45):
profitable movie, but it was nota hit necessarily.
But it's still did really well. So we now come in a new segment
where we take a look at how wellthe 80s flick holds up today.
The All new Rewatch Ability Nostalgia Meter is our way of
measuring how enjoyable a movie is for repeat viewings, along
with the ways of nostalgia it brings.
Here's how it works. It's a one to 10 scale.

(01:19:07):
Any number between 1:00 and 10:00 will do, but here are a
few parameters to help you decide.
If you choose number around #1 it means I saw it once and that
was enough. Right in the middle at 5 pretty
much says a good rewatch every couple of years, and if you want
to go as high as 10, it means it's highly rewatchable and full
of nostalgia. So Bethany Wells, where does Say

(01:19:28):
Anything land on your rewatch ability and nostalgia meter?
I do really enjoy this movie. It's fun.
I I will rewatch it. It's something I think once my
kids are older. It's even, I, I feel like it
still holds up because a lot of a lot of like cringy 80s things
that make you go like, I don't know if I want to show this to

(01:19:50):
my kids. It's, it might mention them, but
it subverts the, the stereotype a little bit.
Like the scene where he's talking to the guys and they say
all that toxic stuff where it's like, you know, in most 80s
movies, you hear that and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he pushes back. And it all falls.
Apart and and so for that reasonI think I'm going to go with an

(01:20:15):
8.4. OK, OK.
I respect it. I respect it.
Yeah. I really want to give this A10
because it is one of my, like, favorite, favorite 80s movies,
but because it's not one that I would watch.
Like, I couldn't watch this likeevery week or I couldn't, you
know? And it's not one that I can
watch all the time. But it is full of nostalgia.

(01:20:37):
It's like I said it and When Harry Met Sally, kind of back
and forth, my number one and #2 favorite romantic movies of the
80s of like, you know, I think movies that kind of helped shape
my idea of what relationships were going to be like.
That aren't, you know, the ROM com, like perfect ROM com or,

(01:20:59):
you know, the fantasy of ROM comof yeah, the meet cute and the,
you know, misunderstanding and then get back together that we
see on Hallmark every Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, anyway
that there's anything wrong withthat.
It's fun to watch. But yeah, but so this one I I'm
going to go a little higher. I'm I'm probably going to give
this one A9 just because it it's, it's just because it's one

(01:21:22):
of my favorites. It it's going to it's I haven't
watched it that much, but it's probably now that I own it, I'll
probably will watch it more often.
Like I said, when I'm in that mood for like, I just want a
good feel good, a good movie, not just something just to have
on, but something I can really enjoy and kind of, you know,
have some good lines and brings back some good nostalgia.
So yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm going with 9.

(01:21:44):
So which which is which is good and.
High. Very fair.
Yeah, that's very fair. I I do have a question for you
really quick. Now that we're at the end, do
you think that Lloyd Dobler and Diane last?
Do you think they stay together forever?
I don't want to think about that.
Bethany was good. I I had that same thought really

(01:22:06):
kind of when you were talking about it again in the movie.
You kind of just like I like howit ends where they're on the
plane and he's kind of you know,and I still think that when I
when I fly now, like once the nosmoking sign goes out, we're
safe. I don't know.
I I have what I hope happens is I hope that they get to England.

(01:22:32):
She does really well in school and but I think if I was to
write the story, I don't think he found what he like.
It wasn't right for him and I think they would have split up.
But I think like later down the line they might have re got
reacquainted and when they when it was better time for but when
he had more of a plan and more established and she had

(01:22:54):
accomplished some things in her life, I think they end up
together. I just don't think it happens in
England. Yeah, I, I will say I don't
think they end up together, I think.
No, don't say that. Sorry, but I do think like he is
a good boyfriend for the trauma she is going through in that
moment. And I think he is very

(01:23:15):
supportive and kind. But at the same time, I think
for his sake, he needs to figureout what it is he wants to do
with his life. Because that gets kind of
brushed over and pushed under the rug a lot in the movie.
But at the end of the day, like,yeah, maybe you open a
kickboxing studio. That's great if that's what you

(01:23:36):
want to do. And it kind of seemed like maybe
they were going to lean towards that.
But like, it's not a, it's not alasting relationship for your
life's goal to just be with thatperson like you, especially
somebody as driven as Diane is. And so I'm, I'm going to say
they don't end up together, but I think he is a very supportive

(01:23:58):
person during a very traumatic time in her life.
I agree with that. I I mean, that's, you know, I
want to be the optimist. It's always, it's a
revolutionary act. But yeah, but I mean, that makes
yeah, I think it's, it's one of those kind of, it's a good first
love movie. Like the person they loved at
first, but wasn't the right time, you know, just, you know,
they, their paths didn't, didn'tstay together after college or

(01:24:21):
whatever. So cuz yeah, her, her life path
and his don't really seem like they're going to go in the same
direction. So but they needed each other
for that moment. Like she helped, she helped him,
you know, discover that he was, you know, kind of he, he could
find love and he could love someone with his whole heart.
And then he helped her kind of become, you know, who she didn't

(01:24:42):
think she could be like, enjoy, but make some new friends and
build relationships with people,but instead of just being stuck
with school. So yeah, that was good.
And also like being like imagineif because would she have gone
to England? He her, her dad was going to
jail anyways. If she didn't have Lloyd with
her, she wouldn't have gone. No, no.
Because he was in prison. Like if her dad had gone to

(01:25:05):
prison and that was the only person she had in her life, she
wouldn't have gone. But because she had Lloyd and
she had a person with her, she she had, she felt she could go.
Yeah, you know, he had all the tips.
Lots of tips, Lots of. Tips.

(01:25:25):
No tips. Ovarian principles.
So I and I didn't mention it earlier, but I will say like one
of my favorite lines from the movie that that isn't going to
fit for my final line before we close out.
I love the conversation he's having with DC and and Corey and
DC is like, why do you have to be like this?

(01:25:46):
He said, because I'm a guy, I have pride.
And Corey says you're not a guy.The world is full of guys, be a
man, don't be a guy. And I always liked that line.
And I will say that's why when things like I took that to
heart, like even as a, you know,1415 year old kid, I was like,
that's something you hold on to.Don't be the world is full of
guys. Don't be a guy, be a man.

(01:26:07):
And so I just that I had, I wantto make sure I mentioned that in
in the episode because I thoughtthat's such a such a great line.
Good, good work. Cameron Crowe writing some good,
good lines there. So all right, well, I think
we've exhausted this one as muchas we can.
I'm sure we could exhaust it even more, but we've we've
covered a lot. So but thank you so much,

(01:26:28):
Bethany, for being a part. Always a pleasure to have you on
the podcast. Thank you so much for having me.
Yes, yes. So all right everybody, thanks
again for tuning in. It's always a pleasure to have
you guys listen. Always a pleasure to have
Bethany on the on the podcast. Happy Valentine's Day.
It is February. Be with the one you love and
enjoy that time together, even if you don't make it after you

(01:26:51):
go to London. But it's OK.
I'm rooting for you, even. If I don't think it's going to
work, yeah, But send us your love story.
Send us your your, you know, howyou met your significant other.
And if it's as romantic as Lloydand Diane, or tell us what your
favorite romantic movie is from the 80s.
So thanks again, everybody, for tuning in.

(01:27:12):
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