#130 - "Hoosiers" (1986) with JB Huffman & Chris McMichen

In the '80s and '90s, emotional sports dramas hit their peak with films like The Natural, Field of Dreams, and Rudy. One standout from the '80s is Hoosiers (1986), which follows Norman Dale, a disgraced middle-aged coach given a second chance at redemption in the small town of Hickory, Indiana. Set in 1951, the film explores how the tight-knit community and its strong opinions about basketball strategy shape Dale's journey. Join Tim Williams and guest co-hosts JB Huffman & Chris McMichen, as they lace up their Chuck Taylors and dive into Hoosiers on this episode of the 80s Flick Flashback Podcast.

Here are some additional behind-the-scenes trivia we were unable to cover in this episode:

• The filmmakers had trouble filling Hinkle Fieldhouse with extras for the final game and needed to move people around when shooting different angles. Extras were given 1950s hairstyles, and their clothing was checked for anachronisms.
• The actor who played Ollie once left the set to watch his high school basketball team play. At the time, he was a senior on the team and was feeling homesick, so he decided to attend the game. The crew had to contact his mother to persuade him to return to the set.

Sources:

Wikipedia, IMDB, Box Office Mojo

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a34673344/hoosiers-anniversary-essay-story-making-of-analysis/

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/88389/10-winning-facts-about-hoosiers

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Episode Transcript

(00:04):
We're going to be a tough team to beat.
Now you come along for the. Ride a tough coach.
He turned losers into fighting enemies into plans.
I play coach. Days he goes, I go.
Challenges into times if. You put your effort and
concentration into play, into your potential in my book.
We're going to be. Winners.

(00:24):
Hoosiers, it'll go straight to your heart.
Traded PG starts Friday, February 27th at a theater near
you. Following the impactful releases
of Brian Song and Rocky in the 1970's, the golden age of
emotional sports dramas truly took off in the 80s and 90s.

(00:45):
During this time, films like TheNatural, Field of Dreams, and
Rudy had a profound ability to move even the most stoic of
viewers. This notable flick from the 80s
tells the story of Norman Dale, a gruff and once disgraced
middle-aged basketball coach. He gets a second chance at
success when he takes on the role of the new high school
basketball coach in Hickory, Indiana.

(01:07):
Set in 1951, Hickory is a small rural farming town with more
corn fields than people. The community is very tight knit
with everyone knowing each other's business and having
strong opinions about the team'sstrategy, where the coach should
utilize man to Manor's own defense.
Whether Dale likes it or not, this tiny town may be his last
opportunity for redemption. So meet us at the Hickory High

(01:28):
School gymnasium, lace up your tuck tailors and be sure to pass
the ball four times before you shoot as JB Huffman, Chris
Mcmichin and I discuss Hoosiers from 1986 on this episode of the
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Let's keep the magic of the 80s alive and well.
Today we've got 2 incredible guest Co host joining us.
First up back again we have Chris Mcmichin and Ultimate Game
Changer who knows how to hit that last second shot just like
Jimmy Chitwood. How you doing Chris?
Doing great Tim, glad to be backas always.
Yes, yes. And then we have back again from

(03:35):
Manly movies. It's JB Huffman, a true coach at
heart, ready to lead us through the highs and lows.
And just like Coach Dale, he'll let me know if I make a bad
call. How you doing JBI?
Will definitely let you know that for sure.
I won't, I won't throw you out of the game.
We'll keep you in the game for sure.
But. I might get kicked out on
purpose, you know, let somebody else take over.

(03:57):
There you go. There you go, teaching a lesson.
Teaching. A good to be here though.
Good to be here. Yes, so this I will let
everybody know this was kind of a last minute change at the time
of this recording. Of course, the great Gene
Hackman has passed away at this point.
They're still kind of investigating.
They thought it was not suspicious, but then maybe
suspicious. And who knows, by the time this

(04:17):
drops we may have a more clear answer.
But very saddened to hear of hispassing.
We know he'd retired from actingseveral years ago, but still sad
to hear that he had he had left or you know, he had passed away
and so been wanting to do Hoosiers for a while and already
had JB kind of lined up and knowing he was a basketball fan
and it just had Chris in the last episode, I got us back

(04:40):
together to talk about this gem of an 80s movie with one of his
best performances. And there's so many of great
performances by Gene Hackman. Of course, we'll we'll talk
about him as we go. But that's kind of the reason
behind this episode. Of course, it's March, so it's
March Madness, so it couldn't bea more perfect time.
So let's jump right in. So I'll start with JB.

(05:01):
When did you see Hoosiers for the very first time?
Oh man, that's hard to even think.
I I just don't remember not seeing this movie, but it was
just like, it's one of those though that I remember watching
like bits and pieces of when I was a kid, but like it was just
a few years ago when I was like,I don't know.
I don't know if I've ever seen it front to back or if I, if I

(05:25):
have, it's just been a really long time when I was young.
So like the first time that I can really remember watching it
front to back was probably 5 or 6 years ago and I've watched it
a couple times since then. So.
But yeah, I I kind of grew up with this movie so and, and big
basketball fan too, so. Oh yeah?
What about you Chris? First time watch.

(05:45):
Well, it's interesting because, you know, normally I'll say at
this point in time in these podcasts that I saw in the
theater, but this is one I'm sure that I didn't see in the
theater, one that I saw I'm sureon television.
And it had to have been around March Madness time or NBA Finals
time. You know, whenever basketball is
in the limelight of the public eye, they tend to, you know,

(06:07):
show this on Atbs or TNT or, youknow, it's one of those size FX
or something. And I'm sure that's where I
caught it for the first time andI, I was kind of instantly
hooked. And I thought to myself, man,
this would have been good to have seen on a big screen, but
it didn't work out that way for me this time, so.
Right, Yeah, I didn't see this from the theater either, I want

(06:29):
to say. I know I watched it like in
college with some friends because I I was good friends
with some guys at Georgia Tech. And of course, during the late
90s, early 2000s, Georgia Tech basketball was decent, I guess.
I mean, they weren't, you know, breaking any, you know, making
any championships. But they were they were in the
hunt most of the time, at least in like the top 32 or Sweet 16.

(06:52):
And so they would watch Hoosiersand Pistol Pete.
I don't know if you all know what that movie is, but yeah,
that was the two. Like they would, they would
watch like every weekend. And so I remember watching it
then, like, all the way through.But I remembered like seeing it
on cable or like seeing it on TVas a kid, but it wasn't one that
I really like gravitated towardsnecessarily.

(07:13):
I was, I mean, I was, I've neverbeen a huge basketball fan.
I mean, I like basketball, but Idon't follow it like I follow
other sports. But so, so, yeah.
So this is one that I don't really remember seeing the first
time, but I know I watched it again in college.
But but it's it's a good movie. I mean, it doesn't it's it's
kind of a slow starter and it's kind of the one of those simple
stories that doesn't need a whole lot to to keep you

(07:37):
involved. But it it definitely, it
definitely resonates even today.So how long has it been since
you watched it before rewatchingit for the podcast?
Probably just like two or three years.
I remember watching it, you know, back probably during
COVID. I watched a lot of movies at

(07:57):
home back then. Yeah, then we all.
Yeah. What about you, Chris?
Yeah, about the same. About two years ago I think is
the last time I'd seen it beforeI rewatched it this week.
Yeah, well, like I said, I thinkthe last to watch was in
college. And so I've probably seen bits
and pieces of it because there were there were scenes that I
remembered or like I was waitingfor certain scenes to come up.

(08:20):
But yeah, it's it's been a it's been a long time since I watched
it, but it it was a good it was a good rewatch.
Some of those are good to watch,like as you know, kind of like a
with fresh eyes again when you haven't seen something in a
while. So all right, well, let's jump
into story origin and pre production.
But I think when I saw it as a kid, I was confused of why it
was called Hoosiers when the basketball team was not the

(08:44):
Hoosiers. Like they were like, I don't
even know what was their, what was their.
I know that they were, I know Hickory, but I like, did we know
what their mascot was? I don't remember being very
prominent anywhere so. Yeah, it said it in in the movie
I'm trying to think of. I was thinking it was like the
Huskies or the something like that.

(09:05):
Yeah, I seem to remember that too.
I think somebody painted on a barn or something on one of
their roads. Very.
Possible. Well, for those that don't know,
like me before this movie, a Hoosier is defined as someone
who was born in Indiana or who lives there.
So this is the love of Indiana movie.
So set in Indiana, but anyway. But the film is inspired in part

(09:26):
by the story of the 1954 IndianaState champions Milan High
School. The phrase inspired by true
story is more appropriate than based on a true story because
the two teams have very little in common.
In most U.S. states, high schoolathletic teams are divided into
different classes, usually basedon the number of enrolled
students, with separate state championship tournaments held

(09:48):
for each classification. In 1954, Indiana conducted a
single state basketball tournament for all its high
schools. This practice continued until
1997. Some plot points are similar to
Milan's real story, like the film's fictional Hickory High
School. Milan was a very small high
school in rural southern Indianatown.

(10:09):
Both schools had undersized teams, both Hickory.
Milan won the state finals by two points.
Hickory won 42 to 40. Milan won 32 to 30.
The last seconds of the Hoosier state final are fairly close to
the details of Milan's 1954 final.
The last basket in the film was made from virtually the same
spot on the floor as Bobby Plump's actual game winner.

(10:33):
The movie's final game was filmed in the same gymnasium
that hosted the 1954 Indiana State championship game.
Butler University's Hinkle Fieldhouse called Butler
Fieldhouse in 1954 in Indianapolis.
But unlike the film's plot, the 1954 Milan Indians came into the
season as heavy favorites and finished the 5354 regular season

(10:55):
at 19 and two. In addition, the 1952 to 53 team
went to the state semifinals, and they were considered a
powerhouse going into the championship championship season
despite the school's small enrollment.
So that's the true story behind Hoosiers.
But it was written by Angelo Pizzo and directed by David and

(11:18):
Spa. It would become the first film
for both of them if they can, and it began as much of A
Cinderella story as the kids in the Crimson and Gold playing for
Hickory Pizzo. I would say I think it's Pizzo
Pizzo Piezo. I don't know.
And and Spa both grew up in Indiana and were roommates at
Indiana University, so naturallythey wanted to make a movie

(11:38):
about the state and its love of basketball.
But while they had heard and been inspired throughout their
lives by the story of the Milan High High School team that
shocked everybody, Paiso discovered they were too nice
and had quote UN quote, no real conflict.
So instead, he made the team outof five of his friends from high
school, created an assistant coach from scratch and made the

(12:01):
head coach Dale with Bobby Knight, Indiana University's
long time and legendarily volatile head coach, in mind.
Pizzo said. I wondered what would happen if
Knight punched a player. I utilized Knight's offensive
philosophy, 4 passes before a shot.
I also created an arc for him where he actually listened to a
player. The pair shot their script for

(12:22):
two years before finally gettingtheir first nibble, which would
come from Hemdale Entertainment and Orion Pictures.
During the mid 70's. The team that would go on to run
Orion had a miraculous run at United Artist, releasing the
winner of the Best Picture O3 years in a row with One Flew
Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Rocky and Annie Hall.
But by 1985 those hot hands had turned ice cold.

(12:45):
Orion was coming off a disastrous year at the box
office, highlighted by the embarrassing flame out of its
high profile Indiana Jones JamesBond wannabe Remo Williams.
The adventure begins. Still one of my favorites.
Needless to say, the adventure did not go on any further
because it was a big bomb. When Orion signed on to

(13:05):
distribute Hoosiers, it didn't fool itself in expecting too
much from the little $6 million slice of feel good heartland
nostalgia. After all, it was a sports
movie, and sports movies rarely performed commercially well.
Even Hackman, who only got the role of Coach Dale after Jack
Nicholson and Robert Duvall bothturned down the role, told
reporters that he thought the film would be a career killer

(13:27):
and go straight to video. But at the time, Orion
desperately needed to fill out its 1986 slate, a slate that
would wind up including Hannah and Her Sisters, Back to School,
Something Wild, The Three Amigos, and Platoon.
Next to the big ticket movies, Hoosiers was little more than an
afterthought. What few inside or outside the
studio knew was how deeply Piezoand Anspaugh got small Midwest

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towns like Hickory. They had attended the University
of Indiana and grown up in the state not very far from where
Milan played varsity high school.
They said every coach in every small town would drag out the
1954 Milan story to try to inspire you.
These two men understood not only who the characters in their
film were, the way they spoke toone another at the barbershop
and farm supply store, but how much basketball meant to them.

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And they knew it in their mirror.
So all that to say, their original cut of the movie. 2
hours and 48 minutes. Goodness.
The studio insisted they cut it down to 114 minutes.
Among the many scenes cut was Buddy asking to return to the
team and scenes that developed Norman and Mira's budding

(14:36):
romance more. And Spa said the audience really
got cheated and robbed after thecuts were taken.
So kind of sad, but I feel like there's things that are missing,
like I feel like things kind of accelerate in some spots that
could have been a little bit more presented a little bit
more, but you know, it, it, it still works.

(14:58):
But I think we're I think we're used to those type of Movies Now
where that digs much deeper intothe characters, but.
Seems like there's got to be a director's cut out there
somewhere. I was guessing.
You're not a Snyder's Cut of. Of I wish, I wish.
Oh, that. 'D be beautiful.
And I it was down on my notes later, but I wouldn't say it
now, but and Spa has disowned the TV edit.

(15:22):
Like how do you edit this movie?Like what are they editing out
of this movie? It's very it's PG, one of the
most PG movies I've seen, but ithas somebody else has like a, a
fake director name on the TV cut.
So I don't know if they cut evenmore for time.
Maybe they cut even more out so it would run closer to two hours
with commercials. I don't know, thought that was

(15:43):
interesting. But but you know, there's not we
we get to the cast. There's not a whole lot there
because just about all, I think all of the basketball players
were actual players in from around the town.
Like they, they didn't have the money to hire actors.
They said they wanted to hire basketball players who could
act, not actors who could play basketball.

(16:05):
But a lot of the basketball players said they had to.
They've been playing, you know, 10 years or so and had to go
back and learn how they played basketball in the 50s.
So they all the contemporary things that they did, they
couldn't, they had to. It's like all the stuff we
learned we had to unlearn for, for this.
But shortly after the film's release, 5 of the actors who

(16:26):
portrayed basketball players in the film were suspended by the
NCAA from their real life college football.
I mean, sorry, their real life college basketball teams for
three games. The NCAA determined they had
been paid to play basketball, making them ineligible.
Oh my gosh. Terrible.

(16:46):
Yeah. Yeah.
This is 86, remember. Yeah, I know.
Yeah, Like, yeah, that's. Yeah, I was playing basketball.
I was playing basketball with somebody else.
Like I was. It was a movie.
I wasn't. It didn't matter.
Yeah, I wasn't getting played toplay competitively.
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going to talk about the star of the movie, Gene Hackman, as
Coach Norman Dale. I'm going to go ahead and do his
full thing because he's the reason we just had to do this
episode right now. In a career that spanned over 4
decades, he received 2 Academy Awards, 2 British Academy Film
Awards, and four Golden Globe Awards.

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Hackman's 2 Academy Award wins for Best Actor for his role as
Jimmy Popeye Doyle in The ActionThrough The French Connection in
1971 and for Best Supporting Actor for his role in Clint
Eastwood's western Unforgiven from 1992.
He was also Oscar nominated for three roles, that of Buck Barrow
in the crime drama Bonnie and Clyde in 1967, a college

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professor in the drama I Never Sang from My Father 1970 and as
FBI agent in the historical drama Mississippi Burning in
1988. Adman gained further fame for
portrayal of Lex Luthor in threeof the Superman films from 78 to
87. He also acted in The Poseidon
Adventure in 72, Scarecrow in 73, The Conversation in 74,

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Night Moves in 75A, Bridge Too Far in 77, Under Fire 83, Power
in 86, The Firm in 93, The Quickand the Dead 95, Get Shorty in
95, Enemy of the State 98, The Royal Tenenbaums in 2001, and
Runaway Jury in 2003. He mostly retired from acting
after his final film role and Welcome to Mooseport in 2004,

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occasionally providing narrationfor television documentaries
until 2017. So Yep, the great Gene Hackman.
So we'll talk a little bit trivia about him here.
It's in regard to the movie, butwe usually do this for these
kind of movies. But all time favorite Hackman
role of any decade. It is unforgiven and it's not

(21:04):
even close. But I had a feeling that was
going to be your choice, so. Clint Eastwood's one of my all
time favorite actors, but for the man to completely upstage
Clint in his own movie that justtotally like, yeah, I think.
I think he upstages just about anybody he's in a movie with to
be. Honest.
Oh, I know, right. I mean, and I could say like,

(21:26):
you know, Mississippi Bernie is a great film.
He's he's he's really good in that movie.
French Connection. I mean, that's that gets all the
AFI praise. My my first experience with him
was the Superman movie. Of course, Yeah, yeah.
Obviously when I'm a kid, right,but but for me it's it's his
role in unforgiving and nothing else touches it man like and he

(21:47):
won best supporting actor for that.
Yeah, what about you, Chris? Well, I agree that he's the
first Lex Luthor I ever knew other than comic books in
reality, you know, seeing somebody inherit that role and
have it that role, it was reallyhim first.
But my favorite role of his was actually not on your list from

(22:08):
just now, but it's Crimson Tide.I love him and Crimson Tide.
And I think that Denzel Washington may be the greatest
actress ever lived in my opinion.
He's he's just phenomenal. Everything and those two going
head to head old school new school, both of them trying to
do their best to play by the military rules that they know

(22:29):
and enter are part of and just in the small space of a
submarine with all that action. I mean it's just a phenomenal
move. Is is well, well written and
those two guys just take the conflict level up to level 99.
You know, it's, it's really, really just super.
Both of them were. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's tough.

(22:53):
I mean, there's, there's so manythat that I, I mean, I, there's
not a movie with Gene Hackman and that I think I haven't
liked. So it's hard to pick 1.
So I'll decline. No, I'm just kidding.
No, I, you know, in addition to the ones you both mentioned,
because I agree, Unforgiven is fantastic.
I love Crimson Tide, one of my favorites for sure.

(23:15):
I really liked him. And Enemy of the state, that's
like one of my favorite, you know another.
I think there's both Tony Scott,Crimson Tide and Enemy of the
State. But but yeah, I knew him mainly
knew him as a kid from the Superman movies for sure.
And probably this one in the 80sbecause I think most of the
other ones he did in the 80s were not like kid friendly

(23:37):
movies. But but yeah, I mean, he was
good in the firm. He's good and Get Shorty.
The Quick and the Dead is another underrated western that
he's phenomenal in as well. So yeah, I mean.
The replacements is another. One the replacements, yes, and
he. Was a coach.
He was a coach. Exactly.
Yeah, he, yeah, he plays the coach.

(23:58):
Well, that's for sure. So as I mentioned the guys
before we started recording, Gene Hackman caused a lot of
problems during filming in this movie.
So like, well, we're going to praise Gene Hackman for this
episode and then talk about how terrible he was on on set.
No, he was. He thought the movie was going
to bomb. And so he kind of didn't come in
with such a great attitude. But anyway, the writer, producer

(24:22):
Angelo Pizzo, said when he arrived he was a general.
It was in a generally foul mood.We called him.
We called him the Black Cloud. He started complaining about
everything. There were some blow UPS on the
set, some throwing of jackets and near fistfights.
There were all sorts of drama onthe set.
Then Dennis Hopper arrived threeweeks in a shooting and he
seemed to settle Jean down. I think Jean decided just suck

(24:44):
it up and finish it and get out of there on the last day of of
filming, Hackman said. I just want you to be prepared
for the fact this movie might get on a few screens here in
Indiana, but then I'll end up inthe dustbin of films that never
made it and the only people who remember it are you.
Are you 2? And I hope I forget it when a
plane lands in Los Angeles, he said.

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Gene had a lot more experience in filmmaking than we did, so we
thought his assessment was probably accurate.
So after that, he insisted on viewing a rough cut of the film
before going into re record someof his audio director David
Anspot said Angela, I knew that if he didn't like it, he
wouldn't show up at the studio to re record the dialogue.
But he showed up, walked in the room, took his glasses off,

(25:27):
looked him in the eyes and said,how the blank did you do that?
Like how did you make we filmed into a great movie?
Like I guess he actually liked it.
So, so he did the he did the overdubs and and I think he
became a fan of it as it, you know, but you're with a new
director and a new writer and producer.
So I'm sure of all the things he'd been a part of, the other

(25:49):
directors he had been been with,it probably felt like a somewhat
of a step down for him. But you don't, you don't get
that from his performance. I mean, he's already kind of
rough and tough anyway. So I mean, gruff, the character
is kind of gruff. So it kind of fits, fits anyway.
So. But yeah, I just thought that
was that was hilarious. He was just method acting during

(26:09):
the whole process. As well.
And then I, I read a few accounts where like Gene
Hackman's agent kept trying to get as and spa fired as the
director, like Hackman wanted somebody come somebody else to
come in and direct so that. Sounds like some Sylvester
Stallone stuff man. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to.
I'm going to still have keep good thoughts of Gene Hackman in

(26:31):
my mind. Oh yeah, for sure.
All right, so next on the list is Barbara Hershey as Maya
Fleener. We talked about Barbara Hershey
on two of our previous episodes,Beaches from a couple of seasons
ago and then The Natural, which we did I think last year.
But let's see. She's an multi award-winning

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actress and has been in some of Hollywood's most memorable
films. She began working in television
and then quickly advance to starring roles in the 80s
Captain Sorry. The 80s catapulted Hershey's
film career when she starred in The Stuntman 1980 with Peter
O'Toole, The Right Stuff in 83. She was also in that.
We covered The Natural in 84. Han and her Sisters in 8610.

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Minute 87 and Beaches in 88. She returned to television in
1990 with her highly lauded performance in A Killing in a
Small Town, and she was also in the last season of Chicago Hope.
So I'm not a huge Barbara Hershey fan, but you know, she's
pretty good in this. So she has her moments.

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Yeah, and I'm not a fan of WoodyAllen's at all.
No, but but she was good in having her sisters, even though
I didn't really care for that movie.
Right, but The Right Stuff is one of my favorite movies.
Like I love it so much. She doesn't have a huge role in
that, no. Yeah, so I kind of I kind of
forgot she was in it till it popped up on there.
But yeah. Yeah.

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And even her role in The Naturalis pretty short.
She's in the beginning and that's really about it.
But it's at least it's a memorable role.
I mean, I knew her more from beaches.
That was a move that I watched alot as a kid.
So go back to that episode to hear that story.
But you know, she's OK in this. That's what that's one of the
that's one of the things I wish the movie had had more of their

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relationship because of course you do it from the beginning.
OK, that's who he's going to endup.
You know, that's going to be thelove story aspect.
But it really doesn't play out. They just kind of they have a
few, you know, conversations andthen they're kissing after the
big game and it's like, OK, well, I kind of knew that was
coming anyway. But I would have liked more of
that story to see kind of how they, you know, really kind of

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came together. But.
It really was a pretty big jump.I mean, she's rude to him from
the beginning, just like, man. And that's what you find
yourself saying as you're watching it.
And she's really rude. She's really rude.
She's really rude. Well, now they're kissing.
You know, we must have missed something in there.
That's why I said when I when I saw there was a longer version
of like, I could see that being a a big part of what was cut

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because when it got to that scene and I was like, I was
like, I feel like there were some scenes that either I just
did, I did I forget about that happened 10 minutes ago or they
just weren't there. They just weren't there.
So, but all right, then we'll move on to Dennis Hopper as
Wilbur Shooter Flatch. He made his first television
appearance in 1954 and soon after appeared in two of the

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films that made James Dean famous.
He was in Rebel Without a Cause in 55 and Giant in 56.
He then acted in Gunfight at theOK Corral in 57, in 67, Hang Em
High in 68 and True Grit in 1969.
He made his directorial film debut with Easy Rider in 69.
He became frequently typecast asmentally disturbed outsiders in

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films such as Mad Dog Morgan in 76, Apocalypse Now in 79,
Rumblefish in 83, and Blue Velvet in 86.
He His later film roles includedTrue Romance in 93, Speed in 94,
Waterworld in 95 and The Other Side of the Wind in 2018.

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So it's kind of interesting that.
He was in Easy Rider and True Grit in the same year because
completely different type. Films.
Well, what I mean. Completely different, like eras
in in in film history, like DrewGrit basically represents old
Hollywood. It's like the last of a dying

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greed and Easy Rider is like, you know, welcome to what's
going on now. Like, so it's it's kind of kind
of crazy and I, I liked it. Not to get on tangent, but I
like that John Wayne got that Oscar that year because that was
like representative of of the past.
And so yeah, yeah. I don't know.
It's just I, I didn't even thinkabout the fact that he was in
True Grit until you mentioned that I was.

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Oh crap, he wasn't your grit. Dang, both of those movies in
the same year, which he directedEasy Rider.
So pretty cool, but cool hand. Luke's one of my all time
favorites. So man, I just, I love that
movie so much. Yeah.
Chris, are you span of Dennis Hopper or any any movies you

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remember him from enjoying him? Yeah, I of.
Course, remember him as the big Batty and speed, of course, you
know, that's a that's a pretty pivotal role there.
And I didn't know he had directorial credits on his, his
resume too. That's how, yeah, that's good.
Yep, so. Harry Dean Stanton turned down

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the role. Oh man.
Yeah, 2013. He expressed regret over saying
no to the film and actually couldn't remember his reasons
for declining it. That would have been amazing.
Obviously, Yeah, yeah, they they're, they're they're.
Kind of interchangeable in the kind of roles that they play as
well. So let's do that.

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This was all those fascinating in the original script.
Shooter leaves rehab to attend the state championship game.
Dennis Hopper, who had just gotten sober, thought this plot
point was detrimental to the story, David and Spa said.
We sat down over coffee and Hopper and Hopper said, Guys, I
wish I'd brought this up earlier.
I know there was something that bothered me about the scene.

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It doesn't work. It can't happen.
It would suggest that Shooter didn't take a sobriety
seriously. And I know from experience that
Shooter made a real commitment, and there's no way he would
leave that hospital. Angelo and I had been living
with that scene in our heads foryears, and we really argued
against cutting it. And Dennis said, trust me.
And we trusted him. And he was absolutely right,

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which I think is is a good, you know, a good change to make.
I mean, that that's what you would expect to see to see his
dad at the championship game. But it's almost better with him
listening to it at the hospital,you know, and having that scene
with a son, coming to see him before the game and, you know,
seeing that his dad's doing better and kind of like, it's

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almost kind of unspoken. They're like, you need to stay
in here and finish what you started.
You know, it's it's it's a very pivotal scene.
So, yeah, to have him show up atthe last game, I think would
have kind of lessened that impact, I think.
And to me, that's more of a. Testament to like how much he
loves his son is he's like, he'she's just going to listen to him

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on the radio. Like what?
I mean, what kind of enjoyment can you get from that?
But I mean, it's his son playing.
So it's like, yeah. It's pretty cool.
Like you could, you could be cheap and make him break out and
and go watch the game in person,but like to to show that he's
dedicated enough to actually just listen to him on the radio
and and but still want to try toget better.

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So it's pretty cool. I also think it plays.
Out that, you know, if if you remember the championship scene,
there was a lot more focus in that one on the actual game than
it was on the crowd anyway. Yeah, he probably detracted from
all that if he had been there, that character being such a big
part of the story. And you know, they didn't focus
in on a lot of the main people they've been seeing at the

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Hickory games and even the away games and such.
You know, some of the guys from the barbershop and that whole,
you know, the town hall meeting and those guys, you didn't see a
lot of them in that last scene like you did in some of the
others. I think that was, I don't know
what it was about, but in my mind, if I was a director, I'd
say, you know what? The crowd is so large here,
we're going to play to that idea, right?

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That nobody's the individual here.
It's just a big, huge group of people.
And I I do think he was exactly right to make that call.
Oh yeah. All right, so the only.
Other cast member I have is not a name that I would recognize,
but if he would consider him oneof those that guys and that's
Chelsea Ross as George Walker. He's an American character actor

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most known for his movies Above the Law, Major League Basic
Instinct, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, Rudy Trouble with the
Curb Curve and Ballad of Buster Scrubs.
But yeah, I definitely remember him as the the veteran pitcher
from Major League. That's the that's what I always
remember him from. But yeah, so he popped up at the

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beginning of the movie. I was like, I know that guy.
But yeah, Chelsea Ross, I would not.
I would lose that at trivia every single time.
But Yep. Yeah, when when you.
Said that guy, I knew exactly who you're about to talk about.
I was like Chelsea Ross for sure.
Yeah, yeah, I definitely remember him from Major League.
But I think his role in Richie Rich is one that I remember from

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my childhood, like, vividly. Like, because I watch that movie
all the time when I'm so. Yeah.
Anybody. Else from the cast that you
wanted to mention, whether they had any kind of history, any any
of the guys stand out to you as a, you know, as a stand out.
I I didn't think any of the guyswere, you know, they weren't
terrible actors, but nobody who had that, you know, extra star

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quality that would say like, I wonder why they didn't go into
more acting. But I thought they did a decent
job. Yeah.
And I think the was it like the principal or whatever that kind
of helped him coach? Like the I think.
He got had a heart attack or something during that.

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Like he was actually apparently in a lot of old Westerns.
Like, yeah, I did see that. I was looking and.
Stuff I was like, oh, so I I knew that I'd seen his face
before. And so like I started looking
back, oh, he was in high nude. And Josie Wells and all these
are like, yeah, he he's he was adid a lot of Westerns.
So that's the only one that really kind of stood out to me.

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Yeah, I didn't know. Till you'd sit till you
mentioned it in the pre notes here tonight, but that they got
basketball players. I mean it makes sense.
Those guys could play, but you know that they went that route.
They weren't actors, they were basketball players and you would
expect that, you know, high school kids anyway, would be
awkward around the camera and those kind of things.
So I think that played to their strengths.
But I mean, you had to know thatthe guy that played Jimmy was a

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basketball player out in the yard.
And and, you know, and Hackman'sfirst out there talking to him
one-on-one. And he's he just makes shot
after shot after shot. And, you know, there's no CGI
involved in these shows back then.
And so the dude could flat out shoot the basketball.
I mean, there was no denying it.So yeah, that guy.

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'S name was. Maris Vilanes, That's what was
saying it right? But yeah, the scene where
they're talking and Jimmy's taking his shots was filmed in
one take. Maris said he wasn't even
listening to Gene Hackman. I was just concentrating on
making the shots and I made one and kept going.
And so I think I read somewhere like in the whole movie that he

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only misses three shots the whole movie.
He misses the last shot in that scene.
He misses one in one of the like, but not the last
championship game, but I think 1before that.
And then he misses one in the very last game.
And that's those are only three shots.
He misses the whole game. I mean the whole movie.
So. But yeah, they.

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I gotta say this man, like the one scene that, and I'd
forgotten that this was in the movie.
But, and I know they did it for historical accuracy because I
know they did it a lot in the 50s.
But the the the little guy that was shooting the free throws, he
was shooting the granny style. Yes, yeah, yeah.
It just, it really bothered me as a coach watching it because

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it's not as good as it's crackedup to because you have two hands
versus just one. And it was more margin for error
that way. But they used to do that a lot
back then. But it's just watching it just
like drove me nuts. But but good, good on them for
for being historically accurate in the the Rick Berry style.
Yep, Yep, I have. That note here, the underhand

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style was not uncommon in 1950s.Several NBA players used it
either occasionally or on a regular basis.
As of 2022, the last professional player to use it
almost exclusively was, as you said, Rick Berry, who retired in
1980. Berry hit 90% of his free throws
during his career, the best percentage of made free throws

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in NBA history. So.
It. Works his son.
Played college ball and he did it the exact same way.
Cannon Gary. Yeah, I remember watching, I
think it was a Vanderbilt or somewhere.
It was just a few years ago and I saw this dude shooting granny
shots. I was like, who is this kid?
And then I saw his name. I was like, oh, that's why.

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Oh man, love it. All right, well, let's jump into
a iconic scene. So the iconic scene for you.
If someone says Hoosiers, what'sthe scene that you think of?
First? I'll start with Chris on this
one. For me.
It's the measuring of the backboard.

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It's that, you know, that idea that this, this is the same
goal, the size of the goal as itwas back home.
It's big. And I've even used that before
in my own life. And I, I come from a world of
music. You know, I will will say, look,
this piano, the scales the same in this room as it is back where

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we are in our own building, right?
And and so you can transfer. All the things we've learned in
the classroom into this hall, you know, and even though it's
huge and you have a lot of people, it's the same thing.
And so I've actually used that before.
I guess the secondary one for meis at the end with Dennis Hopper
jumping up and down in his hospital outfit and just, I

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mean, out of all the people, youknow, because there's there's
certainly a lot of underdog stories in this move.
It's not just the team that's the underdog.
You know, Coach coming back fromwhat he's coming back from,
Shooter coming back from all hisalcoholism and abuse.
I mean, there's a lot of people you're pulling for.
And to see him celebrating like that and jumping up and down in

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the hospital for me is is an iconic moment, too.
Yeah, I agree. With that, what about you JBI
mean? The basketball coach in me, I've
I've got, I've got to go with the locker room scene with Gene
Hackman and he's firing them. But this is like not even

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halfway through the movie out ofright?
And so. But the the one line in that and
and that's the most memorable one, I mean, or he and I had to
write it down, which I wouldn't look it up afterwards, but it's
just it's my entire style of coaching as well.
So it's like he says, if you putyour effort and concentration

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into playing to your potential to be the best that you can be,
I don't care what the scoreboardsays at the end of the game in
my book, you're going to be winners.
And like in, in, in society, it's like everyone demands the
instant gratification. They want wins right now.
But like winning is a byproduct of doing things the right way.

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And so like put your energy and focus not on winning, but just
like do taking everything that I've taught you and.
Applying it. And doing your absolute best and
giving 100%. And you know what, you're
probably going to win a lot of games doing that.
And at the very least you're going to get better and better

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and better. But I mean, it's like that in
life, like people expect to not get on a tangent.
People just kind of expect way too much and the, the people
feel like they deserve way too way too much.
And so, but, but to me, it's allabout just working hard and do

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doing your best and like just letting that be the, the
testimony to your, to your, yourwork ethic and being able to
say, you know what, I gave it mybest shot no matter what you're
doing in life. So, yeah.
And then right after that, of course.
They invented the slow clap, yes?

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Oh yeah. For sure.
Yep, Yep. The motivation scene, that's
definitely the top, top of my list.
I don't really have like an iconic scene because the whole
like last kind of 20-30 minutes of the movie is so much
basketball, but it's good. Like it's like that's where it
gets exciting. Like everything leads up to
that. It's kind of like, you know,

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they're just kind of it's that'stelling the story.
But but yeah, I think the, the, the final, the final two games
are the most exciting for me. And, and that's what I kind of
think of as those the the scene that I remembered.
I can't say it's iconic, but themost memorable scene.
And when I started watching, I was like, I know this is coming
up. And that's when Shooter comes in

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intoxicated, you know, and he's like, where's your dad?
Like he had to be alone. It's too much pressure.
I remembered that scene of him coming back in and and, you
know, being drunk. And I'm just, I don't know why
that seemed to have an impact onme like as younger.
But that's just the scene that Iremembered.
And so that's, you know, which is why Hopper was nominated, I'm

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sure, and, you know, nominated for the Oscar.
But, and, man, I just thought I had this written down for that
scene. Hopper wanted a 10 second notice
before the director called action.
He would spin around for 10 seconds, allowing him to stagger
onto the court and appear drunk.He remembered James Dean and
Giant asking George Stevens for 30 seconds so he could spend

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around to better feel the inebriation.
So wasn't that was a trick he learned from James Dean?
But yeah, but you know, but yeah, that scene was very.
It's one of the most impactful scenes for sure of the movie.
All right. Any favorite scenes besides the
iconic scenes to piggyback on what you're talking about?
With shooter like this movie, Dennis Hopper just completely

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knocks it out of the park. And I really, really love the
scene where Hackman goes to the ref and says, I need, I need you
to throw me out of this game. And he he gets thrown out and
you see the look on shooter's face when this happens, like, Oh
my gosh, what is happening? Am I about to have to coach this

(45:14):
thing? And, and just that whole scene
with him, like the, the time that it takes for him to kind of
catch his breath and, and get his composure back and, and
actually just start to coach andtalk to the guys.
And I think that I think the kids actually had to kind of
interact with him to get him going too.

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So it was just a really cool scene to see him.
And I love a good underdog story.
And that's what this like, yeah,I've, I've told you my one of my
all time favorites is Rocky, like the iconic underdog story
of all time. But so like, yeah, I'm, I'm a
huge fan of of stories like that.
And and his, his role in this and that scene in particular
just really stuck out to me is just like this this guy who

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hadn't been given a whole lot ofchances, not even by his own son
or or wife. Either so.
Like he's just Gene Hackman, hishis role coach Dale passes the
baton, gives it to him and and he to see him come into that
situation was just really cool. So I also think that the.

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The opening credits for me, which are long in this movie
too, they're they last a good long time.
They set up this idea of how important basketball is before
anybody even says a word in the film.
I think that's a really good creative choice with all of the
just vast amount of nothingness that he's driving by trying to

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find this school where it's going to work, you know, and,
and looking, you know, looking at this little tiny piece of
paper that's probably got an address or a map or something on
it. They show at one point, but you
see all these kids out playing basketball and they're just and
they're not playing basketballs on hoops like we have outside
our houses, you know, that are nice with the blocks and the

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boxes and all. I mean, you know, sandbags,
whatever. It's none of that is up on the
side of a barn is a is a rim. That's it.
You know, and some are are shooting into that.
And then there's like legit somebody has cut, you can tell
themselves a backboard and just stuck it up on a tree, you know,
and makeshift one with a rim on it.

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And it just goes to show you that everybody in that area
plays or is impacted by basketball and before they even
have to talk about it. And I think that's a that's a
big influence on the show from the jump.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, one of my.
Favorite scenes is early. On and it's when I think it's

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the first game where he's, you know, he's been teaching them
about, you know, the four passesbefore you shoot it and you
know, the the guys come and try to come into his practice and
he's like, no, my practices are closed, but they need to be
dribbling the ball. Well, how you practice about the
ball? He's like, I there's other
things that's more fundamental. And so then I love the scene of
like every, all the crowd, shootthe ball, shoot the what are you

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doing? Shoot the ball.
Like, like he's totally changingtheir style.
Like they, but he told him the beginning is like, you guys are
great shooters. That doesn't mean that you know
how to play the game. I'm going to teach you how to
play the game. And so just that fundamental
like framework from the beginning of like he's coming
in, he's doing something different.
People aren't going to understand until they make that
first shot. And everybody's like, he's the

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best coach ever. You know, like he does how how
fickle fans can be. So that that's that's a scene
that I really always liked just seeing that, you know, you like,
you know, it's coming. You know, they're he's going to
they're going to fail a little bit at the beginning, but then
it's going to kind of come together.
But it takes that time and that trust they had to trust him too.
Just like you talk about the with shooter when he hands over

(48:54):
the game to shooter. So for the players to get
engaged is like shooter didn't trust himself, but the but the
players trusted him. He'd been there with them.
He's been at the practices. They know the knowledge that he
has, even if sometimes he's, youknow, not always 100% sober, but
they know he has the knowledge. So they trust his knowledge of

(49:15):
the game and his wisdom to play the game, even if he has these
outside struggles that affect his his, his judgment sometimes.
So, yeah, good stuff. Yeah, I just thought of that.
The first scene with him when hewas in the bar and he was
talking about a game that he wasin and I took that last shot in

(49:36):
and out, but you know, I was fouled.
So I'm just like, it's every like old man story of when he
played ball. It's like, you know, but I was
fouled or if he would coach would have put me in.
It stayed brutal. I got stuck on my.
Foot. If he had stuck on my foot, I
would have. It would have been the game
winner. Yeah.

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Oh, man. All right.
Well, let's let's talk about a few a few trivia scenes, and
then we'll start to wrap this one up.
But the Travelers is the quartetwho sings the national anthem at
the state finals, never auditioned for it because the
screenplay didn't include the singing of the anthem.
They had been there. They've been hired to entertain
the fans during the many breaks in filming.

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The group suggested shooting a national anthem scene, and the
film makers agreed. Even though no one had heard the
group sing in the anthem until cameras rolled.
The scene was captured and only one take.
Well, can I just say that we need?
More national anthems sung by men's quartets.
Teeth. Yeah, that would be so amazing.
Like and it was funny because when I first.

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Thought I was like, OK, are these actors?
I was like, no, they thought they're really singing.
Like that was cool to find out that was an actual singing group
that just, you know, they were there to entertain the crowd.
And hey, they usually do a national anthem with these
games. You want to get get a shot of
that. And so it worked and it built up
some of the. Speciality of that finals, you
know, I mean, they had a specialguest.

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Wow, 4 special guests actually coming in to do the anthem.
It's got to be a big night. And then so I'm I only?
Got a few here. I'll save some for the show
notes. But Maris, who we talked about
earlier, is the one they wanted to play and he wouldn't play
unless they kept the coach. He was told that if he missed

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the movie's last basket on his first attempt, the fans would
still rush the floor in celebration.
They would get another try later.
Luckily, when the cameras rolled, he made the shot on his
first attempt, even though he had missed it repeatedly during
rehearsals. So.
It only matters when the camerasrolling.
Right so well, he looked right at him and said, I'll.

(51:43):
Make it. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah. That's what he was going.
In all right then my last. Little trivia thing.
So as I was confused about why the movie was called Hoosiers,
the movie was renamed best shot in some international markets
because most people outside of the US wouldn't know what a
Hoosier was. So I was like best shot.

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Still not a great title but you know, makes more sense than
Hoosiers if you don't know what a Hoosier is.
So I think a lot of people inside.
The United States don't know what Hoosiers are exactly.
Exactly. I just know it's the Indiana's
basketball. Team yeah I I I didn't know what
it was yeah right right that's why I was like when I.
Was a kid. I was like why is this movie
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All right, box office Hoosiers. Open as a limited to release in

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30 N American theaters on November 14th, 1986.
And it landed at #17 at the box office, but you know, in 30
theaters. Even though there was no real
real new release competition that week, it did not get a wide
release until February 27th of 87 where it finally cracked the

(53:49):
top 10 landing at #5 It never went higher than 5, but it did
stay in the top 10 for a couple of weeks.
Despite the small budget, dire predictions and little help from
distributor Orion Pictures, Hoosiers grossed over $28
million and received 2O nominations.
Dennis Hopper for best supporting actor and Jerry
Goldsmith for best original score.

(54:10):
So, so it was a critical success.
I like the critics really, you know, really liked it.
And I'm sure word of mouth probably helped it by the time
it, it, it made wide release, but kind of a tough one.
You, you drop it in November, soyou kind of got to get through
the Christmas season. There were some big releases
around Christmas of that year, so waiting until February

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probably wasn't a bad idea. Getting closer to basketball
season 2. So it did much better when it
went, when it went wide. So all right, now we come to the
new segment where we take a lookat how well this 80s flick holds
up today. The All new Rewatchability
Nostalgia Meter is our way of measuring how enjoyable a movie
is for repeat viewings along with waves and nostalgia brings.

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Here's how it works. It's a one to 10 scale.
Any number between 1:00 and 10:00 will do, but here are a
few parameters to help you decide at the bottom.
Number one just means I saw it once and that was enough.
Right in the middle at 5:00 is agood rewatch every couple of
years, and a perfect 10 means it's highly rewatchable and full
of nostalgia. So we'll start with you, JB.

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Where does Hoosiers land on yourrewatch ability and nostalgia
meter? It's going to be between 5:00
and. 10 like because I it's it'sone that I could go back to and
and put on every few years and it's just, it's really just
enjoyable and just kind of brings you back to a simpler
time. So yeah, yeah, I wouldn't say

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it's a 10, but it's somewhere probably around A7.
So all right. Seven, yeah.
So you can give us. A number between 5:00 and 10:00.
So I thought I did at first, butI'm.
Bad. So yeah, I know.
You know, you just said between 5:00.
And ten, Yeah. So.
Yeah, so seven. OK What about you, Chris?
I think for me, I would probably.
Land it at A5. A good solid 5.
But I think that if I watch it during March Madness time, which

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I kind of associated with that kind of time of year, when it
jumps to A7 or an 8, you know, I, I think the time of year that
you see it makes a huge difference.
You know, if I'm watching it in August, it's a 5, right?
Does that make sense? Right in the midst of.
NFL and college football's kicking off it.
It's good every couple of years,but like I said, the time of

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year makes a huge difference forme because that's what I
associate it with. Yeah, I agree.
I. Think it I think it is one of
kind of one of those seasonal movies.
Like I like watching Major League Field of Dreams, you
know, the natural during baseball season.
So yeah, this, you know, this would be one that I think I may
not watch it every year in around March, but probably like
every couple of years. I think it's good to to go back

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and watch. So yeah, I'm I'm kind of in that
six to seven range probably, youknow, which is still good.
I mean, it's not you know, there's nothing wrong with that.
So but there are other other movies that are going to rank
higher for rewatch ability nostalgia, but it's still it's
still a great movie And and especially I'm going to say, if
you haven't seen it, even thoughwe've kind of spoiled everything

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about it, definitely go in and watch it.
And or if you haven't seen in a long time and need to rewatch
it, it's a good time to put it on here while we're, you know,
talk about the life of Dean Hackman and then March Madness
is like this is the sweet spot to do it.
So yeah, I'm I'm probably going to show it to my.
Kids here pretty soon because I I I I had to watch it again just

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to make sure there wasn't anything like whatever.
So I hadn't, couldn't remember. It's still the 80s.
Yeah, it's still the. 80s and PGwith PG was very.
Different in the 80s, yeah. And Gene Hackman had a lot.
Of rough roles too. Yeah, he did yeah.
So I was just. Thinking I got to watch.
This, but man this is a good oneto watch with your kids.
Like good Americana you. Know family film for sure for

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sure all. Right.
Well, thank you guys so much. For being a part So JB any any
updates on Manly movies? Any coming back anytime soon
man? I really want to.
It's just like I've got so much going on and I and I was just
asked to be the the chairman of the local parks and recs

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committee. Oh yeah, we talked about that
your last. One yeah, add that to my other.
Hats that I'm already wearing soyou know, coaching 2 sports year
round and or two teams in multiple sports year round cause
two kids plus being the softballRep and now I'm over all of this
too. So it's just like, man, this
thing just start all sports related because we're, you know,

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we're doing sports movies, but Ireally, really want to at some
point I got a new computer. That's my first step.
So gotcha. But that's good, at least.
You're I mean, you're still doing something that you love.
So that doesn't that's that's, that's the joy of it, right?
You know, you still get to do dowhat you love.
So that's good. But yeah, yeah, I was, I was
watching, I was like, man, this would be a perfect manly movies
movie for sure. And I that's right in your

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wheelhouse. So even though there's nothing
new to to listen to, you can go back and listen to his previous
episodes. Unforgiven is definitely with
Gene Hackman is one that I know he's done.
You could take take a listen to that and one that I was on
Remember the Titans, another great sports movie and just find
some other good manly movies on the manly movies podcast.

(59:15):
So and Unforgiven is my. Most listened to episode and
it's not even close. It's like it's, I don't know,
something it hit during like some kind of anniversary or
something and it just kind of took off from there like, but so
yeah, Unforgivens one to check out right now, which Gene
Hackman just passed away, so. Yeah, just.

(59:39):
Just re release that one and seeif it does it again.
I could. I could, yeah.
All right. And you can definitely go back.
And check out our previous episodes.
I've know we've done No Way Out,which JB was on that one with
Gene Hackman. We've done that one on the
podcast as well. So, but Chris does not have a
podcast. We can go back and listen to the
episodes he's done with me. So we did the natural.

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We did. Big with Tom Hanks, we did
Empire Strikes Back and we just did Beverly Hills Cop a few
weeks ago. So definitely going to check
those out as well. So but thank you guys so much
for being apart. Appreciate you jumping in on
this one. Kind of somewhat last minute,
but a great film to rewatch. A great discussion.
Always great to have you guys onthe podcast.

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Well, thanks everybody for listening.
Thank you so much to my guest Cohost.
I'm Tim Williams from the 80s flick flashback podcast.
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