#132 - "Caddyshack" (1980) with Chris McMichen & Nicholas Pepin

In 1978, after Harold Ramis wrapped "Animal House", the director teamed up with pals Brian Doyle-Murray and Douglas Kenney, along with Chevy Chase, Bill Murray, Ted Knight, and the one and only, Rodney Dangerfield, to bring similar frathouse shenanigans to the clubhouse. Featuring legendary performances (many of which were completely improvised) plus an equally memorable soundtrack, this 80s flick came barreling into theaters the summer of 1980, and went on to become one of the most cherished comedies of all time. 

Widely considered to be one of the all-time funniest comedies ever assembled, the film about a young golf caddy (Michael O'Keefe) desperate to win a scholarship and turn his life around has been listed #71 on AFI's 100 Years...100 Laughs and #7 on AFI's Top 10 Sports Films. So grab your golf clubs, watch out for gopher holes, and remember to be the ball as Tim Williams and guest co-hosts, Nicolas Pepin and Chris McMichen discuss “Caddyshack” from 1980 on this episode of the 80s Flick Flashback Podcast.

Here are some additional behind-the-scenes trivia we were unable to cover in this episode:

• Cindy Morgan revealed that the oil massage scene with Chevy Chase was entirely improvised. When Lacy exclaims, "You're crazy!" that was Morgan's authentic reaction to Chase dousing her with oil, which was also the case with Chase's reply, "That's what they said about the Son Of Sam.”
• Writer and producer Douglas Kenney died after the film was released. He fell off a cliff while vacationing in Hawaii. Kenney had experienced deep depression after the film's post-production, as much of the original story had been significantly altered in the editing room, and he was strongly opposed to the final addition of the gopher to the film.

Sources:

Wikipedia, IMDB, Box Office Mojo

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/56693/15-things-you-might-not-know-about-caddyshack

https://screenrant.com/caddyshack-movie-behind-scenes-making-of-trivia/

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Episode Transcript

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Some people belong to the Bushwood Country Club for the
fine cuisine. This Stakes, too, has marks when
a jockey was hitting it. Some belong to the stimulating
conversation I was AI might think I will, and some just
don't belong. You think I'd join this crummy
snobbitorium Caddyshack starringChevy Chase, Rodney Dangerfield,
Ted Knight and Bill Murray as Carl?

(00:24):
It's the snobs against the slobsin Caddyshack.
Later on in 1978, after Harold Ramos wrapped Animal House, the
director teamed up with his palsBrian Doyle Murphy and Douglas
Kinney, along with Chevy Chase, Bill Murray, Ted Knight and the
one and only Rodney Dangerfield to bring similar frat house

(00:45):
shenanigans to the clubhouse. Featuring legendary
performances, many of which werecompletely improvised, plus an
equally memorable soundtrack, this 80s flick came barreling
into theaters the summer of 1980and went on to become one of the
most cherished comedies of all time.
Widely considered to be one of the all time funniest sports
comedies ever assembled, the film about a young golf caddy

(01:08):
desperate to win a scholarship and turn his life around has
been listed #71 on AF is 100 years, 100 laps and #7 on AF is
Top 10 sports films. So grab your golf clubs, watch
out for Gopher holes, and remember to feed the ball as
Nicholas Pepin, Chris Mcmichan and I discuss Caddyshack from
1980 on this episode of the 80s Flick Flashback Podcast.

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John Hughes. And all his teen dreams,
montages and simply themes in Fairy's hands, the city fence,
living life like it never ends. It's teen bikes to the sky.

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But this club just getting by. Radical dreams and daring
quests. Back then we were all very bad.

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folks. We got a real treat for you as
we dive into the classic sports comedy Caddyshack.
And joining me this week to tee off on this conversation are two

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fantastic returning guest Co host.
First up, a man who can only be described as the Gopher of the
show, always out of sight, but bringing the fun and chaos.
Welcome back to the show. Nicholas Pepin from pop culture
roulette podcast. How you doing Nicholas?
And back again making a making asteady run here these days on

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the podcast. But the man who would probably
give Judge Smells a run for his money with his drive for
perfection, it's Chris Mitchen. How you doing Chris?
I'm in the zone, Tim. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no. Very good, very good.
Glad to be back. Yes, glad to have both of you
here. So this is another one of those

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movies that I've been meaning todo for several years.
It's one that I get asked about a lot when we're going to do
Caddyshack. And so we've made it here and
glad to have Nicholas and Chris here to talk about it.
So let's jump right in. I'll start with Chris.
When did you see Caddyshack for the very first time?
So this was a little bit different for me.

(04:04):
Almost every time we've met, I've seen the movie in the
theater 1st and this one was notthat way for me.
I saw this later on and it more of like a Sunday night kind of,
you know, film of the week kind of thing.
And and it was definitely ATV performance movie that I saw
first. And of course I've seen reruns
since all over the place, but that was my first experience and

(04:28):
and strangely, not in the theater this time.
Yeah, what about you, Nicholas? Well, since I was 2 when the
movie came out, I definitely didn't see it in the theaters.
I'm pretty sure I saw it like ona Saturday afternoon, like on
on, you know, some local station, you know.
So I definitely saw the the TV edit first as well.

(04:51):
But yeah, it was one of those movies.
Like I saw it and I was like this.
I don't, I don't care about golfat all, but I love this movie.
Like right, Right. Yeah, the same.
I'm just, I'm with you guys too.Like I was too young to see it
in the theaters when it came out, probably too young to see
it on video when it was out on video.
But I saw ATV version as well. But I didn't get exposed to this
until much later. Like I was probably like junior,

(05:15):
like late junior high, early high school, like what you say
one of those like Saturday afternoon on TBS, probably your
USA or one of those where they would play it constantly, but
heavily edited as well. So it was still funny.
Even with the edits. It's still it's still had it's
it's funny moments. But yeah, different.
Definitely a different watch in the theatrical version.

(05:38):
Yes. But I do have memories of and
Chris knows who this is, but Gabe Walker, I may change his
name. No, no, but Gabe, Gabe's dad,
when I stayed with Gabe for a few for a few years between high
school and college, that was like his dad's like favorite
movie. And so he would watch that
probably every month if it was on TV, he would sit down and

(06:01):
watch it. I think he might have had the
VHS of it and would would have it on and we walk in the living
room. So I remember him being a big
fan of it. I think around that time was
when I watched it again, like after several years to see what
all the all the fuss was about because I kind of forgotten
about it. But how long had it been since
you rewatched it before we watching it for the podcast

(06:22):
Nicholas? It's not a movie that I watched
as often as I probably should. I went to, I went to go, you
know, a couple weeks ago. I was like, oh, I need to watch
that because we got that episodecoming up and I couldn't find it
streaming anywhere. So I was like, well, guess I got
to go down to the basement and get it out and get my DVD copy
because I bought it a long time ago.
So it's one of those that like every few years I'll probably

(06:44):
pull it out and watch it, you know, or like if I am in the
right mood when I come across itstreaming or, or you know, one
of those free channels like Pluto or something, you know,
But you know, it's, it's been a while since I've, I've sat down
and watched the thing from beginning to end.
What about you, Chris? Yeah, very, very similar.
You know, the IT by today's standards, a lot of the dress

(07:07):
and the stuff like that is very dated.
So they don't show it, you know,very often now you can't find
it. And I was in the same boat
trying to find it in the stream to, you know, watch for the for
this episode. And it was rental only.
I I couldn't believe it. I was like, what?
OK, so but it has been a very good long time.
It's been several years, I know,since I've seen it the last

(07:31):
time. Yeah, I know.
I've watched it in the last fiveyears because of course for the
podcast, I remember people talking about when you can do
Caddyshack, I do Caddyshack. And so I think it might have
been on one of the streamers at that point.
And I was able to watch it. And then I purchased a copy
since then, just a digital copy to have knowing I was going to
do it for the podcast. So I think I watched it like

(07:53):
Tyra came in, I was watching it last night and she was like, do
you watch that every year? And I'm like, no, I really
don't. I said it's not one that I
watched that often. She's like, didn't you watch it
last year? I said, well, I probably did
because I think I think I was going to record it last year and
then something happened and we didn't do it.
So I've probably seen it a couple of times thinking I was
going to do it for the podcast and I got bumped for something
else. So it is dated.

(08:13):
It has some very dated and cringy moments for sure, but
there's still some really fun, fun parts and we'll we'll get
into that as well. So let's jump in the story,
origin and pre production. I'm trying to keep these a
little shorter than we used to do, so we'll see how this goes.
The film was actually inspired by writer and Co star Brian
Doyle Murray's memories of working as a caddy at Indian

(08:35):
Hill Club in Winnetka, IL. Did I say that right, Nicholas?
Yeah, it sounds pretty close. OK.
His brothers Bill and John Murray and director Harold Ramis
had also worked as caddies when they were teenagers.
Many of the characters in the film were based on characters
they'd encountered through theirvarious experiences at the club,
including a young woman upon whom the character of Maggie is

(08:56):
based, and the Haverkamp's doddering old couple, John and
Elma, longtime members of the club who can barely hit the ball
out of their shadows. The scene in which Al hits judge
smells in his nether regions wasa struck golf ball happened to
Ramos on what he said was the second of his two rounds of golf
on a 9 hole public golf course. So a lot of things came directly

(09:21):
out of their memories. And So what was filmed and what
I mean what was scripted and what was filmed, we come to find
out we're very different. So the script was mainly about
Danny and the caddies running wild of the Country Club but
believing that the scenes with Tony and Maggie would form the
main core of the story. But after seeing the dailies

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after a few days of shooting, Ramos realized that the scenes
featuring the golfers were too essential to let go.
This form forced Ramos and his Co screenwriters to reconfigure
their narrative focus of the coming of age story about Danny
into a broader comedic view of the Country Club itself.
Based around the hilarious vignettes involving Murray,
Dangerfield and Chase. Ramos would now conduct

(10:03):
Caddyshack as if it were a Mark Brothers film.
According to Ramos, he thought of Dangerfield as Groucho,
Murray as Harpo and Chase as Chico.
This was much to the chagrin of Scott, Columbia and some of the
other cast members whose roles were reduced as a result.
It is interesting to think that it it kind of became two
different movies at the end because the teenagers seem to be

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the focus at the beginning and then they kind of get put on the
back burner for, you know, much of the OR they're kind of
sparsely put in in the middle and then kind of come back to
the forefront at the end. But you can see how the the
hijinks of Dangerfield, Ted Knight and Chevy Chase and Bill
Murray became what everybody wanted to see so.

(10:46):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I, I, I was reading
something and I'm sure I'm jumping the gun a little bit
here. Apparently there's like a four
hour cut at 1:00. Point.
Yes, yes there was. I'm like as much as I'd want to
see that like. I don't.
I don't like part of me wants tosee it just because like, I
can't imagine like all of the comedic genius that got cut from

(11:08):
the guys that you've talked about at the same time, like
cutting it down to what, the hour and a half.
Like that's a nice tight hour and a half.
And like there's not a lot of wasted scene.
There's not a lot of, there's not a lot of just, you know,
filler where like I imagine a four hour cut would be a real
test of patience. Yeah, I think I've, I read that
the the Bill Murray, the scene about where he's hitting the

(11:33):
flowers, like that whole ad Lib scene was like 30 minutes total.
Like that by itself was a 30 minute scene.
And the final cut, it's like, yeah, you can't, you know, even
though it should be hilarious towatch Bill Murray completely ad
Lib for 30 minutes, but at the same time it's like, I couldn't
sit there 4 hours of that. But that'd.
Be one of those things you watchonce and then you never watch

(11:53):
again. Yeah, exactly.
It's like, you know? Where where this version, you
know, you every couple years youpull it out and watch it.
Right. I mean, Zack Snyder's Justice
League is a much superior movie,but I've yet to watch it again.
Just because I don't want to sit, I don't want to have to sit
through it all. So but different decade.
Be remiss not to mention that the production also became

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infamous for the amount of drug usage which occurred on set.
Supporting actor Peter Burkhart described cocaine as quote UN
quote the fuel that kept the film running, which is not great
as it was his first directing job and he wanted to make sure
the production was successful. Harold Ramos avoided attending
the cast and crews late night parties to focus on the next day

(12:35):
shoot. However, when filming wrapped,
Ramos went to the wrap party andpartied so heavily and early
into the party he had to be carried back to his hotel room.
It was the late 70s, early 80s. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah.
And it's there are parts of the movie where I can feel like,
yeah, I can see how drugs were involved in the making of this

(12:55):
movie. Like there's certain scenes are
like it's just there and you're like it like who thought this
was going to be like it doesn't really fit the rest of the
movie, but like if you were probably under the influence of
other substances, probably was pretty funny.
Yeah. The nodding of the heads.

(13:15):
Thank you because they can't, they can't see that on the
podcast. Thanks for let me know.
I'm not crazy here. The scene in particular I think
about is the in the pool scene where they're doing like the
synchronized swimming part. I'm like, it's funny.
I have that on my list. So yeah, it's funny, but it's
like, it does like it. It doesn't really make sense in
the full picture of the movie. But anyway, moving on.

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I will just jump into casting. We've got I I didn't of course I
can't talk about everybody, but we'll talk about the main ones,
the ones you're going to remember.
But of course we'll start with who's top building.
That's Chevy Chase. It's Ty Webb.

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Of course we've talked about Chevy Chase on previous
episodes. All three of the vacation films.
Fletch 3 Amigos, I'm not going to go into his filmography, but
you can go back and listen to those episodes.
But he was well known in the 80s.
This is one of his most, anotherone of his most well known
movies. So did you like Chevy Chase in
this? Yes.

(16:11):
Yeah, I mean he's, he's, it's like this one in Fletch's, isn't
he? Him and his most cheviness like
just the 1 liners and the deadpan delivery is just so on
point in this so I. Don't want to jump ahead, but
it's it's like that, you know, alot of the characters as you sit
there and watch the movie, they play versions of themselves that

(16:33):
you can see in it, like Dangerfield's play in
Dangerfield, even though it's someone else.
And that's what he is and what he does.
And, you know, you kind of thinkof Ted Knight as the angry, over
the top old. Dude, you know.
And he's that in this, too. So there's a lot of those kind
of elements in it, yeah. For sure.
All right, so next in line we got Rodney Dangerfield.

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He began his career working as astand up comic at the Fantasy
Lounge in New York City. His act grew in popularity as he
became a mainstay on light late night talk shows throughout the
60s and 70s, eventually developing into a headlining act
on the Las Vegas casino circuit.His breakout film role came in
this movie Caddyshack. He followed it up with movies
such as Easy Money in 83, Back to School in 86, Rover

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Dangerfield in 91, Ladybugs in 92 and Meet Wally Sparks in 97.
He took a rare dramatic role as an abusive father in Oliver
Stone's satirical crime film Natural Born Killers in 1994.
So, But yeah, he's pretty much playing himself.
Of course, with all the ad libs,it's what, you know, makes
sense. It's his kind of humor.

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But amazingly, Don Rickles was originally considered for the
part. I can see it.
Yeah. I mean those those two guys are
relatively similar comic style anyway so.
That would have worked. Certainly the, I think the
Dangerfield toll personality of no respect, you know, I don't
get no respect kind of works in this, in this role pretty well

(18:00):
too. Yeah, I think they were saying
for the like, they got the greenlight to make the movie from
after the success of Animal House, but one of the conditions
was they had to have a real star.
Like I had to have someone that people are going to want to come
to a movie to see. And so Don Rickles was
considered, but he didn't want to do it.
But really Chevy Chase became the one that they kind of got.

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They wrote the part for him but didn't know if he would do it
because they already had Bill Murray slotted for a cameo and
because there was friction between them because of what
happened on Saturday Night Live,which that's its own separate
story. We won't get too much into here.
But they didn't think he would actually take it and ended up he
ended up taking the role if theypromised he would not have to do

(18:42):
any scenes with with Murray. Because originally Murray's role
was supposed to be just a cameo and he really wasn't supposed to
speak very much. But then once he got there and
got into character, everybody loved it.
And so they kept having him stayfor more days.
So then towards the end, I'm I'mtotally skipping stuff at Linn,
but I'm here now, so I'm just going to do it by memory.
But so once they got like halfway through, almost all the

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way through filming the movie, the studio was like, you've got
Chevy Chase and Bill Murray in this movie.
You have to have them do a scenetogether.
And Harold was like Harold Remuswas like, I don't think that's
possible, but we'll see what we can do.
So the three of them met for lunch, discussed the scene,
wrote the screen, wrote the scene together and filmed it the
next day. And he said there was no
animosity between the two of them during the conversation or

(19:26):
during the scene. And most people think it's the
what's one of the best scenes ofthe movie.
And it's also the only it's onlyit's the only filmed scene of
them together then or since. Yeah, I, yeah, I was reading
that and I read that like with Bill Murray, like most of his
stuff was filmed almost after the movie was done.
And they just, like, edited a lot of it in because he was

(19:48):
just, you know, improving up a storm that they were like, yeah,
this is this is too good to let go.
Yeah, even the whole Gopher storyline was added at the last
minute by the studio. So.
Let's be honest, the real star of the show is the Gopher.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I would say like at watching

(20:10):
it at like when I saw it for first time, those are my
favorite parts were the Gopher scenes like the Gopher versus
Murray part of the movie was what I was drawn to more than
anything else. But you know, being younger, I
could see that being being why Iwas.
I enjoyed that part, so, and it was a little more TV friendly as

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well than some of the other stuff.
But I'm back to Rodney Dangerfield and we had on the
tangent there, but according to the book by Chris Nashawati,
Rodney Dangerfield was so unaccustomed to how films were
made, Harold Ramis had to gentlyguide him to make sure he was
comfortable. The first scene Dangerfield was
in the pro shop scene was ready to go and Ramis called action.

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Nothing happened. Dangerfield just stood there.
Ramos asked him if he if there was a problem.
He said was he ready. He said sure.
So Ramos called action again. Again nothing.
Ramos walked over to him and said Rodney when I call action
that's your cue to come in and do the scene.
He said you mean do my bit. He said yes do your bit.
Ramos called action for 1/3 timesilence.

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Then he said, OK Rodney, now do your bit.
Dangerfield pounced in the room and delivered a perfect take,
even improvising the line about getting a free bowl of soup.
From then on, whenever Dangerfield was in a scene,
Ramos never said action. He just said, OK, Rodney, do
your bit. Whatever it takes.
Yeah, and then the other story was actor Scott Columbi, who

(21:35):
played the slick caddy antagonist.
Tony saw that Dangerfield seemedlike he wasn't.
He was having, he was having trouble with the scenes and he
asked him why I was having trouble and Rodney said he was
bombing because nobody was laughing at his jokes.
Columbia had to tell him, well, if they did laugh, then we'd
ruin the take. So you have to, you know, you
can't expect the, the, the cast to laugh at your jokes.

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So I don't know how much that's like 100% true if that's just
him being, I'll say method in The Who Rodney Dangerfield
character is or if that's just what he did so but still funny
nonetheless. Any favorite Dangerfield scenes
or movies? No, I I've never really
understood Dangerfield as as a like AI mean I, I mean,

(22:20):
obviously I've grown. I mean, he's been, well, he was
part of my existence for a long time.
Like, right, Maddie Shack and those other movies that you
talked about my life. Like I've just like, I've never
been like, oh, man, Rodney Dangerfield.
I need to go see him, you know, back, you know, when he was, if
he's still toured or like, you know, the one time I went to
Vegas, you know, like I don't, Idon't.

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I mean, he would. I didn't.
I wasn't like, oh, stupid Dangerfield.
But like, yeah, he wasn't my favorite parts of the movie.
He's definitely over the top, like almost 2 over the top in
some scenes. But but yeah, I mean, I knew him
from by that point I'd seen Backto School.
That's probably the one movie ofhis that I'd seen and he kind of
knew about him. I think even like some of the

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stand up stuff, I wasn't really allowed to watch of his because
it was pretty pretty, pretty adult.
But some of the stuff I'd like, the TV friendly bits that I'd
seen. I thought he was really funny,
but that's kind of all I really knew about him.
I liked Back to School as well. I thought the concept of it was
interesting and he was an interesting guy.
They chose to play it. You know, you could have gone
any way with an adult, but to get this over the top comedian,

(23:24):
you know, to play the part was pretty good in this film.
I like the part where he's captaining the ship where he
just jumps up there, driving theboat all over the place, right?
That, that seems hilarious. And, and I think he plays it
really well. Just talking about not
understanding what he's doing and making, you know, making up
excuses for why he's rolling thepeople in the water and, you

(23:46):
know, putting his anchor throughthe gas boat and all those kinds
of things. Pretty good.
You scratched my anchor. That's one of my.
That was one of the good lines. All right, moving right along,
we got Ted Knight as Judge Smalls smells.
I don't know which way we're supposed to say it.
Actor Ted Knight paid his dues with nearly two decades of
relatively obscure, dramatic, often villainous television work

(24:08):
before finding enduring fame anda scene stealing supportive turn
in the classic 1970s sitcom. Hilariously overplaying a silver
haired, self important imbecile.His well modulated voice was his
money maker during the lean years where there's an
announcer, narrator or cartoon voice character.
However, he ended that anonymitywhen he copped the role of inept

(24:28):
Pearly Tooth Anchorman Ted Baxter on The Mary Tyler Moore
Show in the 70s. He eventually starred opposite
Nancy Dassault in his own television series Too close for
Comfort in 1980, which had a heavily run which Sorry, which
had a healthy run despite the fact that Knight as the lead was
more subdued than on The Mary Tyler Moore Classic.
It was renamed The Ted Knight Show after it became a

(24:49):
syndicated series in. The series finally ended in
1986, only due tonight's second bout with colon cancer, which he
was unable to overcome. But yeah, I was a big fan of Too
close for Comfort. I think it used to come on TBS.
I'm pretty sure it was TBS. It would come on and it would
come on in the afternoon becauseI'd come home from school and
usually it was coming on or was about to come on when I came

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home. Came home.
And they play like two or three episodes back-to-back.
And I became like a huge fan of that show.
So I don't really know as much about Mary Tyler Moore Show
because I didn't see those reruns as much, but that's what
I really knew Ted Knight from. What about you guys?
I leave the TV on for the bird during the day because birds get

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real sensitive and they they need to have constant noise or,
you know, voices. And it seems that that show is
on the channel that I've chosen because it's just like the old
sitcom that shows a lot. So I'm sure my bird is a huge
fan. Love it.
But yeah, no, I have been reading that that Ted Knight,

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because he was such a more like a clean cut comedian and and
more family friendly that he kind of struggled with
Dangerfield and some of the other stuff.
They were all worried about the Bill Murray Chevy Chase thing
because of what had happened. And that those two guys were
like, no, we're professionals. We were hired to do a job.
We can do a job and we can get along for a couple minutes.

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But I guess the the real problemwas Ted Knight not really
getting along with Dangerfield and some of the other the
rowdiness that was going on. Yeah, he wasn't used to improv
like he, he was a serious actor that came in with his lines was
was prepared. And so having to deal with the
which kind of added to the animosity, I'm sure of him
towards them and probably amped up his reactions a little bit

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more. But yeah, yeah, I read a lot of
that too, so. It's like I was saying, they're,
they're kind of playing their characters.
You know, he he has that straight lace kind of personal
life in in reality and he's playing that out, you know,
although it's of course obviously exaggerated and and
super pompous in this movie, buthis vocal variety though is
really unmatched. I mean, he does so many things

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with his voice that are just incredible high, low, loud,
soft. I mean, he does the gambit in
this in this movie and it's it'sreally, really shows a lot of
talent. So.
Yeah, I meant to look at what all he's done voice actor wise,
because when I when I saw that note, I remembered like even as
a fan of too close for Comfort back in when I was younger, I

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think I've I there was some cartoons are on and I was like,
I think that's his voice. Then come to find out that was
his him doing the voices. So I could see him being a very
successful, you know, voice actor as well.
All right, so move right along. We got Michael O'Keefe as Danny,
not one of the more popular actors of the of the bunch, but
one of the main characters. His only other notable roles

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included Ben Meacham and The Great Santini, for which he
received a nomination for the Academy Award for Best
Supporting Actor. He was also the Neil Simon movie
The Slugger's Wife. He also appeared as Fred on the
television sitcom Roseanne from 1993 to 95.
Michael O'Keefe stayed away fromgolf for 25 years after the
film. He said he wasn't into the

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pressure of having everyone comeout of the pro shop to watch him
swing a Golf Club, which I couldsee that being a reason why you
wouldn't want to go play golf after being in the movie.
But but yeah, he was a good, I think he was a good fit for the
role. He seemed to play that play the
role really well. Shocking that they almost had
Mickey Rourke cast as Danny. He backed out at the last

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minute. But Ramos said he never really
thought he would be able to pulloff the nerdy kid that he had
envisioned the character to be. I don't know him much like I
read through his IMDb and he's done a lot, but like I've
probably seen because I've seen a lot of this, but he didn't
he's not unfortunately. I mean, he's really good in this
role, but like. Right.

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His face isn't apparently memorable enough for me to be
like, oh hey, that's the guy from Caddyshack.
Or. He must have grown up enough
that like, you know. Yeah, I would say if you looked
at his pictures, an adult, you mean he doesn't have any like
specific features that would like make him stand out
necessarily. So he he kind of, as he got
older, just like a regular old middle-aged guy from the

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Midwest. I would probably think so.
That happens a lot, I think, youknow, with child actors or
teenage actors, they have a goodrun of a couple things and then
you don't hear from them again. And that's kind of the way there
are girls, so. Yeah, I was watching, I watched
the documentary getting off the subject as we as we do on the
podcast. I was watching a documentary

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about child stars, kid stars. And Wil Wheaton was one of the
people they interviewed. And he talked about when he was
in his 20s, he would go to theseauditions and he said the he
would he wouldn't get in the room, but he's like one at a
time. The producers would come out and
walk by like, pretend like they were getting some water, getting
some papers, whatever. And they're kind of looking at

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him. And then he was like, he knew
what was happening. They're like, is that really
Will Wheaton? And so then he got a call from
the secretary's like, yeah, theydecided they're not going to,
you know, they don't, they don'tneed you today.
They're we'll try to reschedule for another time.
And he said he realized, oh, they don't want 20 Wil Wheaton.
They are looking for 13 year oldWil Wheaton that they remember

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in their mind. So that's, that's that kind of
the struggle of growing up from being a kid actor to being an
adult where we're looking for this Wil Wheaton type, but not
20 year old Wil Wheaton. We want the 13 year old Wil
Wheaton we saw on Stand by Me, you know, 10 years ago.
So anyway, moving right along, Bill Murray as Carl Spackler.
So of course we've talked about Bill Murray on a several

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episodes as well. Scrooged, A Little Shop of
Horrors, and of course, Ghostbusters. 1:00 and 2:00.
So we won't cover his filmography.
But if you don't know who Bill Murray is, where have you been
for the last 40 years or 50 years at least We'll make
mention of him and move on because I already mentioned
about how his original part was supposed to be smaller, then
I'll mention this. I hate to be a sad story, but
this is this one's kind of sad, but Sarah Holcomb played Maggie.

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Her first role was in National Lampoon's Animal House, so
that's where she was got her first film and then of course
she had come continued with the crew for this one.
She was also cast in Jaws 2 in 78 was one of several teenage
actors let go as the film went through many script revisions
early in production. Unfortunately, because Animal

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House and Caddyshack were fuelled with alcohol and drugs,
she succumbed to mental illness and drug abuse, which I'm sure
these two movies didn't help with that She was actually
institutionalized for a period before stabilizing, retiring
from the entertainment industry and avoiding publicity.
So a little bit of a sad story there because I liked your

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character. I liked Maggie as a character.
And then I do it does kind of I am kind of disappointed that we
didn't get to see more of their story because it does seem very
choppy in the movie. But I would have liked to
understood more of her relationship with Danny because
it does seem to be kind of kind of brief.
Or, you know, they they're they are, they're together.

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Then they're not together. They're together again.
There's not a whole lot in between.
So it's just kind of a weird, weird part there.
So but and then we've got Cindy Morgan as Lacey under all after
a Caddyshack. She appeared in the 1982 hit
Tron, the first computer generated film.
She played two characters, Laura, a computer generator, I'm

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Sorry, a computer programmer in the real world, and Yori, her
alter ego in the film's computergenerated flights of
imagination. She had multiple television and
film credits, including portraying 2 roles on the
primetime soap opera Falcon Crest.
She also played two characters in two episodes of Matlock.
Her other credits include guestsand minor appearances on The
Love Boat, The Fall Guy, Hunter,Amazing Stories, and Chips, and

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believe it or not, she was actually a Chicago DJ before she
went into modeling and eventually acting.
So another person using her voice as a profession.
Any thoughts on those charactersso far?
I feel like I'm doing a lot of talking here guys.
I mean, Cindy Morgan, I mean, she was clearly a stand out in
this movie. Yeah, I'm sure she was the

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poster on a lot of walls after 1980.
I don't, I mean, I don't know where.
I know. I had read that about she had
done the DJ and then she was in Tron.
She was in a few other things here, there.
I feel like she had done some TVwork in the 80s as well.
But yeah, she did, yeah. But yeah, I'm I'm sure after
Caddyshack came out, she was, they made some posters and she

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was hanging on some walls for a while.
Yeah, it's like when I remember a couple of years ago when I
rewatched and I saw her, I was like, she didn't necessarily
seem that familiar, but she was that kind of type of the blonde
bombshell of the late 70s, early80s.
And I was like, I kind of thought that she would have been
in more things, but I guess there were so many already at

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the time. She just really didn't didn't do
much beyond the few films she did.
So. And Chris will abstain from
commenting. Nothing bad or good.
All right, we're wrapping. We're wrapping it up on the
cast. We got Brian Doyle Murray.
Yeah, Brian Doyle Murray as Lou,leader of the caddies, I guess

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the the Caddyshack manager. Of course, we talked about him
briefly. He's Bill Murray's brother.
We talked about him and Scrooged.
He was in Ghostbusters 2. He's also been other Bill Murray
movies, including the Razor's Edge, Groundhog Day.
He also appeared in Modern Problems, which is one of my
favorite Chevy Chase forgotten movies he was also in.

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He played two different characters in the Vacation saga.
He was in the first Vacation as the camp clerk and then returned
as Clark's uptight boss, Frank Shirley in Christmas Vacation.
So I think we talked about that on one of the Vacation episodes.
But he's been in a ton of movies.
He's always funny and whatever he does, of course he's not as
popular as his brother, but I think he is much more of the

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character actor where he plays such a different character and
just about all the movies, like he's not playing the same
character every time. He's probably done more work
than Bill. Yeah, yeah, he probably.
Has like, I mean, I see like he's on every other sitcom I
watch. Like he'll come in for an
episode here there. Yeah, yeah, he's one of.
Those that I I don't, I didn't know his name when I first saw

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him, but you know, you've seen him in a whole bunch of things,
right? He's a very, very popular
character type actor. And it it's funny because one of
the names he calls Clark is Carlin the in the Christmas vacation
and that's it. That's Bill's, you know, name in
this, in this film. So.
I know I didn't realize that That's funny.
I didn't put that together. So yeah, just to kind of go

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through his filmography. 16 Candles that he for Club
Paradise that he 86 legal eaglesin 86 jury duty in 95
multiplicity in 96 as good as itgets in 97 Doctor Doolittle 98
Stuart Little in 99 Daddy Day camp in 22,007 I can talk Daddy
Day camp in 2007 and 17 again in2009, just to name a few.

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So always funny. And then I wasn't going to put
him on here, but this I had to Iread this, I had to put it in
here. So actor Henry Wilcoxon plays
the unassuming but hilarious role of Bishop Pickering, and it
was the last film he made beforehe passed away in 1984.
Historically, he was best known for his collaborations with

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legendary director Cecil B DeMille.
He played Marc Anthony and Cleopatra in 1934, Richard the
Lionhearted and the Crusades in 1935, and was in The Greatest
Show on Earth, another Best Picture winner, in 1952.
In his Caddyshack scene, he is struck by lightning when he
missed a putt to end. Would have been the best golf
game of his life, Ramos knowingly added in a music cue

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from the Mills film The 10 Commandments.
Because in that movie he appeared as well playing Pintar.
I just thought that was now it'spretty interesting, but yeah.
It seems like such a weird guy to get in this movie, like
somebody who was in all of thosemovies then like all time
classics that you know you're supposed to watch but nobody's

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actually watched. Oh yeah, no, I saw 10
Commandments. Yeah, definitely.
Oh yeah. I have seen that one, I haven't
seen the other ones. But yeah, you know, it's, but
yeah, see, it seems like such a strange role to have that guy
come in and be like the the golfer and, and this movie like,
like, you know, like what what acareer he had.

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And this is, you know, I'm, I'm going to say I love Caddyshack.
It's one of my, you know, my topgolf movies or top sports
movies. But yeah, it just seems like
such a weird like way to go out,like considering what else you
had done before that. And the other weird thing is it
doesn't advance the plot of the movie at all in any way.

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It's like a every both times he's on, he's like total side
stories. What's going on?
I just almost like to feature him because hey, we've got this
outstanding, you know, actor from the past we need to feature
so. Yeah.
Did you? I had to look it up because I it
had been so long since I've watched this movie.
I was like, wait, is that Charlton Heston?

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He does kind of look like him a little bit.
And like, I was like, no, that no, that can't look like, oh,
it's this other guy. Oh, OK.
I mean, yeah, but he he looked alittle bit like Charlton is
enough that I had to look it up.There you go, There you go.
Especially in the scene after hegets struck by license.
He's in the bar and he's talkingabout my name's Ed or whatever.

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He's like, I guess he forgot whohe was.
So he's got these all got stubble or whatever.
He's like, you're a Bishop, you're a man of God.
So, yeah, funny. Funny.
All right. Anybody else from the cast that
I that I skipped over that was worth mentioning?
The Gopher. The Gopher, yeah.

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I didn't put much about the Gopher, unfortunately, just
because I feel like I got a lot of stuff in there.
But it was puppeteer done and itwas done at the very last
minute. A great character for the movie,
I said. Kind of stole the show.
One of those last minute additions that becomes what most
people remember about the movie.And well, I mean, it was 1980,

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so it almost had to be practical, you know?
Yeah. CGI not really existing in 1980
so. God forbid they ever remake this
movie. I don't want to see a CGI.
Don't even CGI go for speak thatnonsense into existence.
Oh my goodness, I don't. Yeah, there's not even talk.

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Moving on. Moving on.
All right, so iconic scene. So when somebody says
Caddyshack, what's the first scene that you think of
Nicholas? I'll let you go for you like
you're ready. I'll let you go for.
It oh man, it it's pretty much just about any scene with Chevy
Chase or Bill Murray, but the the scene that when Bill

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Murray's got the pitchfork to the kid and he's like, so I was
in in Tibet, you know, caddying for the Dalai Lama like that
whole. Like.
So I got that going for me. Which?
Is nice. Yeah, right, right.
That was are the swing in the clubs of the flowers that you
talked about the you know, that one.
I like the pool scene because it's so ridiculous and over the

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top. And then just like a random
synchronized like you talked about, like a random
synchronized swimming like with a bunch of guys who are clearly
not synchronized swimmers. Right.
Right. Like breaks out like in it.
And obviously the Baby Ruth is abig standout scene that people
think of. Yeah, but you know.
Yeah, I'm going to talk about that one next, but I'll let you

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guys go. What do you got, Chris?
What's the scene that you think of first?
For me, you know, it's a golf movie.
So I think about the first of all, the the scene where Chevy
Chase is out there as Ty and he's put all these balls out on
the putting green. He just starts making them in
all different manners of making them right underneath through

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his legs. He's making one like a, you
know, shot on a pool table. And I mean he's doing this.
No, no, no, no thing talking about being the ball.
And you know, he's trying to trying just to be one with the
universe like his character is. And it's really very, very fun
and kind of light hearted. And I like that about this.
And and of course, the very end with of course, the I, I really

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did enjoy the the the protagonist antagonist stuff
between Bill Murray and the Gopher.
And to have the the big huge explosions at the end where, you
know, the whole time in his scene, he's talking about
wanting to be a the head groundskeeper.
You know, it was a work up the heads ground keeper.
And of course, in his major moment in the film, he blows 50

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foot holes in the golf course around every, you know, 30
yards. Mm hmm.
Not not very good for your groundskeeping life resume
resume yeah, this is some good stuff though.
I like the pool scene too, man. That you know, it's, it's from
the moment you know that's goingto be a good scene from the

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moment they show the sign and itsays it's a caddy day, 1:00 to
1:15 PM. That's a good gag.
Yeah, Yeah, that's a good. Gag I I will say something I I
noticed this time around that I I probably it it has more to do
with age now or watching it on on DVD.

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How much of this movie doesn't make a lot of sense?
Yeah. I mean, it's more just a
vignette, like pieces here and there that are kind of loosely
stitched together. Yeah, very much so.
And you like you said, the more I think the more you watch it,
the more you see it that way. Like I definitely noticed it
more the second like watching ittoday than I did like a year

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ago. But yeah, it and then when you
go back and try it, you're crying.
It's one of those great, it's, it's like junk food.
I mean, if that's what it is, I mean, this is one of those junk
food movies where it's enjoyablewhile you're eating it, but like
30 minutes later you're hungry again because you didn't have
anything that was going to sustain you.
It almost becomes forgettable inthe sense of I don't really know
what the real plot was. I know I had a good time and

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there's parts of it I remember, but I can't really tell you what
the tell me what Caddyshack is about.
You'd be like, well, it's kind of about these old golfers that
have this grudge. Then you've got these young kids
that are like, I think they're there for a reason, but I don't
know why, you know, So it it, itbecause it is like a bunch of
vignettes, which there's so manymovies we've done like that from

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the 80s that that's kind of whatthey that's kind of what we were
then. They were just funny scenes
pieced together enough to put a story together to keep you in
the seats for an hour and a half.
And the other thing is that you,like you mentioned before the
the cutting may, you know, 'cause some of that plot stuff
to suffer and it'd be interesting to see if they
weren't tied to that, you know, one hour, 38 minute running

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time. Could they?
And, and I know that was real standard at the time.
So you're trying to keep it in that, you know, people's, you
know, sweet spot of trying to enjoy a movie.
But obviously we're way past that.
In modern. Film, now you know it.
We we sit down for an Avengers movie and sometimes they're
three hours long. So you know, twice what we see
in Caddyshack. And would it help to have built

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those plot things along if we can see a little bit longer
version of it? That's what I will question at
the end. Of I also I also think in a case
of like this movie, not having aplot helps it like I.
Think if, if if. You had developed a lot of the
plot stuff like you would have gotten dragged down on the
details. Like it would have been nice to
know more about Maggie but like I feel like had we been spent

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more time with her or the one chain smoking caddy whose name
gave me. Who?
Who? Yeah, Tony, who had the most,
who probably had the most cut from him.
Yeah, he was. He was originally supposed to be
like the star of the movie. Kind of, yeah.
He was supposed to be the main protagonist or antagonist to, to

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to Danny. Yeah.
But yeah, I mean, I, I feel likehad they left a lot of that in,
it might not have been as funny or it might not have hit as
hard. Like it just, you know, get in,
get out, you know? Yeah, it's like they're the the
caddy stuff was much more of thedrama.
Like I felt like it would have it would have teetered more in

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the drama side. Whereas the adult golfers was
the all the hijinks and the comedy.
Like the kids had their hijinks at the pool.
But they're like, what at least what they kept in the movie of
the teenagers is all the seriousstuff, like, you know, thinking
that Maggie was pregnant and what was he going to do with him
trying to get the scholarship and trying to, you know, impress

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different people or whatever. But you know, one of those
things you're talking about likeit, it seems so choppy, that
scene of her love, Maggie dancing in her nightgown on the
course and then Danny just standing there like, what are
you doing here? And I'm like, what is she?
What are you doing here? Why are you standing in the
middle of the golf course in themiddle of the night?
You know, like, I feel like there was a scene before that
that would have set that up and it's not there.

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So it's one of those things, like I understand why it's there
because it closes a, a story that we're part of the story
that we saw 15 minutes ago, but it's so awkwardly placed in
there. It just feels, it feels so out
of out of out of place. But all right, we'll talk about
favorite scenes. And of course, mine, you've both
already mentioned it, but the pool scene with the Baby Ruth,

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that that is the most memorable scene for me.
That that is a scene that anytime I go to the pool, a
public pool, I automatically think of this scene.
It was based on a real life incident at Bryan Doyle Murray's
high school. So of course, the craziest
things that happen in a movie, of course come from real things.
Unfortunately, like many great movie moments, science has now

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ruined this scene. An experience experiment
conducted by two children on YouTube concluded that the
chocolate bar in question could not actually float.
But stop ruining fun, right? But my only caveat to that is I
don't think they make Baby Ruthsnow like they made in 1980.

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So whatever chemicals or naturalthings they put them in the 80s,
they would float. But now it's all you know,
there's nothing real in it now. So it's of course it's.
Going to sink, OK. Maybe they were hollow in the
80s. Yeah, that's my story.
I'm sticking to it. But yeah, that even watching it
yesterday, last night, that whenthat scene came on, it still

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makes me laugh. Duty, duty and then.
The fact that that the little kid and the the older kid both
called. It right, right.
And the older kid, like I didn'tyeah.
The older kid, I forget his name, the nephew or whatever
grandson, he hasn't done anything like he's now he's like
does real estate somewhere now. Like he he only did like a one

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or two things after this, but then he retired from acting.
His role is one of my favorites.Yeah, you can't come back.
It's hard to come back in the industry from picking your nose
and eating it. Yeah, they're betting on what
he's going to do. That one and him puking in the
limo was my other favorite favorite scene.
He kept saying farts, double farts and then smells would yell
at him. Language.

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Yeah, the pool scene. And then of course at the end
when they're like they've scrubbed the whole pool and Bill
Murray's like it's OK, and they takes a bite and the old lady
like, passes out. I mean, that's comedy goal, old
man. I mean, you just can't can't top
that. You cannot stop that.
So a few favorite lines of dialogue, you guys, I, I didn't

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really prep you for this, but were there any?
There's a lot of great lines. But I know, I know you didn't
prep me for it, but I prep myself for it.
Good job, Nicholas. Two in particular, one of them
it's it's early in the movie, it's the opening Chevy Chase
scene. And they're talking about, well,
why do you want to go to college?
And they're just having that kind of set up for the movie,
right? And he, he goes, I don't want to

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work at the lumberyard. And Chevy's like, what's wrong
with the lumberyard? I own two of them.
And he goes, I noticed you don'tspend a lot of time at them.
I don't really know where they are.
Yeah. Yeah, one of my favorite and of
course it's become like a huge meme now, but the judge smells
at the end. Well, we're waiting like I just
that's, you know, I'm blazing inmy in my mind.

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And of course, like all my otherBrit lines are from Ty.
But when he's singing I was bornto love you, I was born to lick
your face. Like that whole song is just so
stupid and hilarious at the sametime.
But another one at the beginningof Ty's.
This is a convert the dialogue with him and smiles smalls in
the I think they're in the shower room or whatever at the
Country Club and the judge says,Ty, what did you shoot today?

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He's an old judge. I don't keep score.
And how do you measure yourself with the golfers by height?
And I just thought that's, you know, just just those great,
great one liners that he has areso fun.
So. One of my favorite lines and the
guy's only in the movie at the very beginning so I don't even
know if he was on set for any ofthe rest of it but the Irish
grounds. Yes, yes, yes.

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And the. Gophers kill all the Gophers
kill all the Gophers. Won't they lock me up for that?
Right. Yeah, yeah.
It's not my fault no one can understand you.
That was that was another reallygood bit.
Yeah, I remember that one. That was good.
So yeah, I wanted to see more ofhim too.
I don't know why he disappeared you after all that, but.
You know, and now I think about it, I'm like, is he the same

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guy? If you've ever seen summer
rental with John Candy, you don't remember that one.
It's where he he takes his, he takes his kids on a vacation to
Florida and they end up in the wrong condo.
But then I'll go to another condo and like, he breaks, he
hurts his leg in a boating incident.
Yes, I've seen it, but it's been.
A long time I watch it. I, I watch that one probably

(50:52):
every summer. Haven't covered on the podcast
yet, but there's like there's a guy called the Swede that's they
that works with the, the guy that's teaching him how to sail.
And so he has a big role, but maybe it's not the same guy
'cause he's probably not Swedish, he's Scottish.
But anyway, they have a similar mustache.
But that's why I thought they were the same person.
But I don't know small tangent. I like the lines where Rodney

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Dangerfield's going person by person down that table of people
and he gets to that, you know, the, the grandson and he's and
he's like, oh, that's why tigerseat their young right now.
There's one that he says I didn't write to put it in there,
but it was like this. Your wife.
Oh, I bet you were amazing before electricity.

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I think you're beautiful before electricity or something like
that. That.
Oh, gosh, that was funny. He had some good lines.
Yeah. Do you know how much of this
movie was ad libbed? I, I feel, I feel like a lot of
these. I, I think all of, I think what
I read was all of Bill Murray's stuff was ad libbed except for
the scene with him and Chevy Chase, because they scripted a

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lot of that out for that scene. But.
Some of the Dangerfield stuff had to have been.
Yeah, Dangerfield was like, all improvised, I'm sure.
Yes, here it is. Bill Murray improvised the
Cinderella story sequence from 2lines of stage direction.
Director Harold Ramis simply asked Murray to imagine himself
announcing his own fantasy sports moment.

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Murray simply asked for four rows of chrysanthemums and did
the scene. So that was that was all ad
libbed. Genius.
Cinderella story. Yeah, and why is he fantasizing
about the old ladies playing golf?
Like why is he always watching the old?
Ladies. Yeah.
I mean, Bill Murray's character was very strange throughout the
whole movie. Yeah, like I said, there's a lot

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Right, let's open the trivia. We'll maybe we'll think of some
other scenes as we're going along.
Well, there, there's one, one, OK, I didn't list it in my
favorite scenes, but there's onescene, it's early in the movie
and it confuses me. And so maybe you guys can help
me out Here we are. We are introduced to Danny for
the first time. He what is going on in that

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house because it's never talked about again.
It's not explained at the time. Like he just like you, he leaves
the house and then never like there's just.
You never see the mom or dad again or the sister, any of
them. I.
Think, I think you see the dad like one time like at the like
at the golfer tournament. But yeah.
Pretty much. Yeah, yeah.
The caddy tournament. But yeah, like, there's like 100

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kids that live in that house andthey're all 'cause she the mom's
waking them all up and like. Yeah, what?
Is what is happening there. I think that the only thing I
could think of, because I was with you, kind of lost and they
never went back there to that location again.
And again, that could have been some stuff that was left on the
cutting room floor, you know, eventually.
But I think they were trying to set up the fact that there were

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so many kids in that family thatthere was no way that he was
going to be able to afford college through the family.
Right. Yeah.
And that that set up the the idea that he had to have a
scholarship of some kind to be able to get to college if he was
going to make it that far. Yeah, and it's also part of the
autobiographical part because the Murray family is big.

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There's like 7 seven of them, I think.
And so he wrote the story of Danny is the character of Danny
is kind of based on Brian Doyle Murphy's, you know, childhood,
but having that many siblings inthe house.
But it was actually like him trying to get the golf, trying
to get the scholarship was basedon one of his other brothers.
That was actually a that was actually good at playing golf.

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So it was kind of like a so thatwas somewhat, you know,
autobiographical. Let me show a kid with a big
family was what he grew up with.But I'm sure there are more
scenes that were cut. But I agree with you.
I think Chris nailed it and saying that's a way of saying
there's no way he's going to getinto college unless he gets some
kind of scholarship because theycan't pay for him and all those
kids. And I love the scene, like, is

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this one of ours? That's your nephew or whatever?
And the little kids sit at the at The Who.
Are you who is? This Who is this?
Who is wife? Who is this?
Yeah, Who is this? Like, how many kids live here?
When did we have this one? All right, we're ready for
scenes and trivia or trivia scenes.
All right, here we go. The reason the scenes of the
Gophers underground world look better than the rest of the film

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is because they were filmed on asoundstage with better quality
film stock and cameras rather than on location like the
majority of the film. Also, the noises that the Gopher
makes are actually vocalized by a dolphin, and where the dolphin
sound effects used are the same ones that were used for the TV
show Flipper in the 1960s. Interesting.

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Harold Ramos was very dissatisfied with this movie
being his directorial debut, he said.
All I see are compromises and things we could have done
better, he told GQ magazine in the late 2000s.
His greatest complaint was that no one in the film other than
Michael O'Keefe was able to swing his or her golf clubs
properly. Yeah, he made a whole movie

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about golf and didn't have anybody that could actually play
play golf very well. I don't care about G1 lick, I
would rather just watch a blank TV than watch real golf.
But this Caddyshack and Happy Gilmore are two of my all time
favorite like comedy movies and you can see a Direct Line from

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Caddyshack to Happy Gilmore for.Sure.
For sure a. Lot of similarities there.
Like I'm pretty sure there's a few lines that we've talked
about that are stolen directly. Yeah, I mean it.
It's Yeah. Give me, give me a movie about,
you know, a comedy movie about golf.
Apparently I'm in but try to make me watch real golf and I'm
just. Go to.
Sleep, you know. Because I've played golf, I

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played golf for a couple of years, so I I can appreciate
watching golf, but it's not something I'd like.
I'm seeking out on a Sunday afternoon who's playing golf
today? Like I'm not searching for it,
but if it's on, I can probably watch maybe an hour of it before
if there's not somebody playing that I that I really know.
Like back when I was in the golfand knew the players a lot

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better. Another great golf movie you
haven't seen is Tin Cup with Kevin Costner.
That's a good one. That's a good one.
That's a good. One same screenwriter as a Bull
Durham. So if you like, if you like Bull
Durham. You'll like Bull Durham.
Yeah, so check out Tin Cup. But I would agree, Happy Gilmore
and and Caddyshack are easily the two funniest golf movies.

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Yeah, it might be the only two golf comedy movies.
No, there's probably other ones that are not as good.
And I'll watch the Masters because it's here in Georgia,
you know, and Augusta is probably one of the most famous
courses, by the way, Speaking ofwhich, I don't know if you guys
noticed this, but they, you know, the most of that course
looks very, very nice and it youcan believe it's a nice upscale

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golf course. What's totally unbelievable is
in the very last scene, if you guys noticed it, where they make
the last shot, all four golfers are so close to the last, but
there's like divot marks on whatwould be that green and it's
totally not green in all the spots.
I mean it really it just I mean,having been on some golf

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courses, I'm no, you know, high class golfer myself, but the
greens are very nice pretty mucheverywhere you go.
And that was, that was certainlysomething I wish that they had
done a little better to maintainthe, the authority of that
place, you know. They did film on a golf course
in Florida because they didn't want to film in LA.

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They didn't want palm trees, butthere were palm trees in
Florida, but it's not quite as California.
But they did have to build. They built the hills for the
ports to blow up at the end, butthey actually still ended up
destroying part of the golf course with the golf course was
not happy about it. And actually people called the

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police thinking that a plane hadcrashed when all the explosions
went off from around the area. So a little extra trivia there
for you. There you go.
All right, last little bit of trivia if you haven't been, I've
been where this is, but not actually been to the place.
But on June 7th, 2001, all six of the Murray brothers, Ed,
Brian, Bill, Andy, John and Joelopened a Caddyshack themed

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restaurant at the World Golf Village in St.
Augustine, FL, designed to look and feel like a Country Club
gone awry, the restaurant's menuincludes a double bogey
cheeseburger, pulled pork sandwich, and the caddy shake.
Wall displays provide pictures and quotes from the film, and
hidden Gophers litter the decor.It's said that Bill Murray even
stops in from time to time to sing a little karaoke.

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But yeah. But it is actually called, I
think it's called Caddy Shacks, like apostrophe S.
And so I've, I know where it is and I've been like around it
because I've been on the World Golf Village.
They had it that when I lived inJacksonville, that was the
closest IMAX theater that we could go to.
So I saw a couple of IMAX moviesthere, but I never actually went
into the Caddy Shacks restaurant.

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But it was, I know some people that were there like that were
at the the day it opened and hadpictures with Bill Murray and
some of the guys there. So, but it was known that he
would show up down there from time to time if he was in the
area. So if you're ever in St.
Augustine, FL, go check out Caddyshacks.
I had no idea. All right, field trip in a
couple weeks, we'll all go down.All right, meet up.
Yeah, sounds. Good.

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All right. I want AI want a caddy shake.
So all right, let's hop in the box office.
Caddy Shack opened on July 25th,1980.
It landed at #2 for the weekend box office behind The Empire
Strikes Back, which was still holding strong after 11 weeks.
But Caddyshack still went on to make over $39,000,000 in North
America and $60 million worldwide, becoming the 17th

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highest grossing movie of 1980. So it was still a massive hit,
even if it couldn't beat Empire Strikes Back.
But who's going to? You have to say what's what's
really going to beat Empire Strikes Back?
No. All right, well let's go into
our newest section, the Rewatch Ability Nostalgia Meter.
If we take a look at how well this 80s flick holds up today,

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they all new rewatch ability nostalgia meters our way of
measuring how enjoyable a film is for repeat viewings along
with the waves of nostalgia it brings.
Here's how it works. It's a one to two scale.
Any number between 1:00 and 10:00 will do, but here are a
few parameters to help you decide.
Number one at the bottom is I saw it once and that was enough.
Right in the middle around #5 would be a good rewatch every

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couple of years, and the highly rewatchable and full nostalgia
is number 10 at the top of the meter.
So, Chris, you're well accustomed to the Nostalgia,
rewatchability, nostalgia meter.Where does Caddyshack land for
you? For me, probably it, in this
case, right in the center. I would for me, I would give it

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a good five. It is really comedy gold in a
lot of places. And it's it's a fantastic movie
if you really want a couple of, you know, an hour and a half of
good laughs. I mean, they're there and, you
know, a lot of the jokes I had forgotten since the last time
I'd seen it. I think it would if, if I'd seen
it often, I think it would decrease that amount of hilarity

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for me, if that makes sense. It would become a little more
common, I guess, to know what's coming.
And you know, I, I just, and we talked tonight a little bit
tonight about the plot, you know, being a little bit
disjointed and things like that.And for me, I, I like plot.
I like comedy too, of course, but I like plot.
And so for me, I think it's right in the center at A5.

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I'll watch it every couple yearsand have a good time with.
Part of me wanted to immediatelyjust shoot it right to 10.
It's inside you. Love it so much.
But I've already, since I admitted it had been a few years
since I watched it, I kind of have to knock it down.
So I, I think a good eight because I mean, it is it's, it

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is highly rewatchable. It is I.
Mean, I know you, you know, I know that, you know, maybe some
younger viewers might cringe a little bit more than than, you
know, people who are getting waytoo close to 50.
Or past. Or yeah, but yeah, I don't know,
I enjoy it. I mean, I the only problem is

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like I have to pull out the DVD to get it.
So like it takes a little bit more thought than just popping
something on the streamer. So maybe next time it shows up
on Max, you know, or wherever it's going to show up, you know,
you know, but I'm, I'm, I'm still going to give it a, a
pretty high rewatch ability, youknow, Yeah, So I'm, I'm going
to, I'm going to stick with an 8.

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OK, all right, both respectable,both respectable.
I'm somewhere in the middle. I'm about a 6.5 for me.
And I think it's just because the the nostalgia factor takes
it down for me because it wasn'tone that I've watched a lot as a
kid, but it is one that I do remember.
But it's not one that I remembered, you know, as
strongly as some others. But it is rewatchable.

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Like I said, I've watched it and, you know, a few times the
last couple years and I didn't mind watching it again, you
know, last night getting ready for the podcast.
So it was still fun to watch again.
I still laughed at some of the scenes and, and we were still
funny even though I knew what was going to happen.
So, so yeah, I'm, I'm, you know,6.5, I think is, is where it's
going to land for me. All right.

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Anything else you want to add about the the movie before we
wrap this one all the way up? Part of me as a percussionist in
my other life, you know, part ofme died when that nice drum set
fell into the water with all those people.
After he hit the dock, he hit the dock with, you know,
Danderfield hit the dock with his boat and that huge drum set
went into the water. I feel that way in all the new

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action movies and somebody gets thrown into like a big screen,
flat screen TV that's mounted onthe wall.
I'm like, do you know how much that cost and how much that time
that takes to do that? Why would you do that anyway?
So yeah. No, my notes have been covered.
So there's nothing really I wantto add.
I think I've I've hit it all. I mean, it's I mean, if if you

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made it this far and you haven'twatched this movie, what are
you? First off, what are you doing?
Secondly, like if you haven't watched it in a while, man, go
go. Go back and rewatch it.
Yeah, I'm sure you can find it. I'm sure you can find it
somewhere. Yeah, like Chris said, you may
have to pay a few bucks to to rent it, but I think it's I
think it's worth a few bucks fora rental.

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So. Hi.
Well, thanks everybody for tuning into this episode.
Thank you. Nicholas, What's going on with
pop culture roulette? Anything happening exciting in
the month of April with you guys?
No, we just have our our just a couple of regular episodes
planned. Nothing, nothing really big on
the on the horizon, just doing our normal pop culture roulette

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stuff. Cool, definitely check it out on
the podcast platform as well. So always a fun listen there.
And Chris, you don't have a podcast to promote, but glad to
have you on the on the show again, becoming one of our our
regulars these days, which is always good.
Always good to have a regular SO.
I do have spring break coming upthough, that's good.

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Every, every teacher's dream, more so than the students, the
teacher, they, you know, they'remore, they're more excited for
spring break and summer vacationthan the kids are.
I think so. In a lot of ways, you're
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