1989 was what some might call a good year for movies. The top-grossing films could easily be mistaken for anyone's favorite 80s movies list: Batman, Lethal Weapon 2, Rain Man, Ghostbusters II. You might even consider including Tango & Cash. But only one 1989 release brought back the iconic bullwhip and fedora.
Indiana Jones returned to the big screen in a blockbuster adventure full of humor, heart, and incredible stunts. Set in 1938, our hero embarks on a mission to rescue his father, a medievalist who has disappeared while searching for the Holy Grail. Following clues in Henry Sr.’s cherished notebook, Indy travels to Europe, reuniting with old allies while battling new Nazi enemies.
So, dust off your fedora, crack the bullwhip, and take a leap of faith with Tim Williams and guest co-hosts, Gerry D, Nicholas Pepin, and Chad Sheppard as they discuss “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade” on this episode of the 80s Flick Flashback Podcast!
Here are some additional behind-the-scenes trivia we were unable to cover in this episode:
When Henry expresses surprise that Indy can fly a plane, Indiana responds with "Fly, yes. Land, no." This references his crashing a plane in "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" (1984).
Henry Sr. and Jr. point out that in Latin, Jehovah starts with an I, not a J. This is accurate, especially considering that the knight who recovered the Grail did so during the First Crusade. The First Crusade ended in 1099. During the Roman Empire, J was just a variation of an I, which is why their lowercase forms, i and j, look similar. The original pronunciation was very much like an I or Y. Its use as a soft 'g' sound did not appear before the 15th century.
Sources:
Wikipedia, IMDB, BoxOfficeMojo
https://www.shortlist.com/news/15-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-indiana-jones-and-the-last-crusade
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1989 was what some might call a good year for movies.
The top grossing flicks could read like anyone's favorite 80s
movie list. Batman, Lethal Weapon 2, Rain
Man, Ghostbusters 2. You could even include Tango and
Cash on my list. But only one 1989 release
brought back the iconic bullwhipand fedora.
(00:21):
Indiana Jones returned to the big screen in a blockbuster
adventure full of humor, heart, and amazing stunts.
Set in 1938, our hero sets out to rescue his father, a
medievalist who has vanished while searching for the Holy
Grail. Following the clues in Henry
Seniors Cherished Notebook, Indytravels to Europe, reuniting
with old allies while fighting off new Nazi foes.
(00:43):
So dust off your fedora, crack the bullwhip, and take a leap of
faith with Jerry D, Nicholas Pepin, Chad Shepard, and I as we
discuss Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade on this episode of
the 80s Flick Flashback Podcast.Welcome and everybody to the 80s
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flick Flashback podcast. I'm your host Tim Williams.
It's time to choose wisely and I've chosen three of my favorite
Co host to join us for a quest to discuss one of the greatest
adventures of all time. First up, he's a man who has
studied the history of 80s cinema with more passion than
Indy's father studied the grail diary.
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He knows that X never ever marksthe spot when it comes to a bad
movie takes. It's the wise and knowledgeable
host of Totally Rad Christmas. It's Jerry D How you doing,
Jerry? Well, I think I've been pretty
good so far. That's terrible.
That was a terrible Connery. I'm good.
How are you? That was all right.
That was all right. Next, joining our fellowship is
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a podcaster who can navigate thebooby traps of bad movie tropes
and inconsistencies without misplacing a single step.
Please welcome from pop culture roulette, Mr. Nicholas Pepin.
How you doing Nicholas? It's all right, but you know,
sometimes X does mark the spot. It does, does and finally
completing our team. This man is the Sala of many
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podcasting adventures, always ready to jump into action, even
if it means dealing with a few rats in the catacombs.
It's local DJ and 80s flick enthusiasts Chad Shepherd.
How you doing Chad? You were named after the dog.
My name is We named the dog in Deanna.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was trying to do Sala
that was. There you go, a bad impression
of Sala it. Works.
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So I am thrilled to cruise crusade into this, one of my all
time favorite movies. OK, cool, cool.
So good I mess up that joke. That's all right, Going to mess
up plenty of times. Yeah, it's going to be fun.
It's. Going to be fun yes.
So thanks everybody for listening.
We're so glad that you're here as we talk about which I will
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probably say is my favorite of the Indiana Jones.
I know that's probably a hot topic this a lot there's a lot
of debate whether which one is better Raiders or last Crusade.
I think Last Crusade just barelyedges it out for me, but.
You're not taking Kingdom of theCrystal Skull.
Definitely not there's. Blast.
There's only three. There's only three indie.
Movies, there's only three that matter.
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The last one that was at the Dial of Destiny.
It wasn't terrible, but it just it it.
I liked it when I saw it in the theatre and then when I tried to
watch it again I got so bored I had to turn it off It just.
More boring than anything else, so just worse.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't like the actress.
I did not like her. Yeah, she.
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Was not appealing to me, no. Sometimes the cast can hurt you.
Yeah. All right, well, let's jump
right in. We got lots to talk about, and I
got a lot of people to ask theiropinions.
So it's a full episode with three Co hoes.
So here we go. We will start with Jerry since
he introduced first. When did you see Indiana Jones
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and Last Crusade for the first time?
I saw it in the theater in 1989.It was awesome.
I remember because the the mall,it was LA Plaza Mall.
It used to have a movie theater.And then somewhere in like the
early 90s they got rid of it andyou know, they built more stores
or whatever. But I remember we went to the
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mall to see this movie and I remember there was posters for
Back to the Future, like two or three.
I think it might have been threemight have been coming.
Yeah. 2 was out or. Yeah, Yeah.
So there was like standees for two and then like a poster for
like 3 coming soon. Oh, wow.
And I remember being very excited.
It was like, this is awesome. And seeing it in the theater and
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I loved it. Man, This is great.
It it didn't have anyone rippingout people's hearts.
It felt like, it felt like Raiders.
It was just really cool. And then, you know, and that,
like, James Bond was Indiana Jones's dad.
I mean, yeah, yes, please. So yeah, I saw this back in the
theater in 1989. Very cool.
What about you, Nicholas? Somehow I did not see this one
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until a rental. OK.
Now, like you pointed out with the 8989 was a packed year in
the theater. Yes, yeah, and I know.
That a lot of the movies you talked about I did see so it
must have been just a decision on my parents part to be like
we've already seen too many. I don't, I don't know, but I
just, I saw it and I, we rented it and I mean, I, it's not hard
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to say this one's my favorite ofall five of them, but.
Yeah, good choice. All right, Chad, you're up.
When did you see it for the first time?
I unfortunately did not see it in the theater on in 89 I I
vividly remember my parents telling me we're going to go see
the new Indiana Jones movie. But not you.
It's it's rated PG13. I was 10.
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So they're like, you're not, you're not 13, right?
We have to see this. So I don't, I don't, I don't
think we, I went to the theater.We know we rented it and watched
it from, you know, local video rentals and whatnot.
And. Little did they know that it was
less terrifying than two, which was.
Rated PG Yeah, and I saw that one right.
Right. Right.
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Not in the theater, but we we saw that a lot.
We rented that one or borrowed it from a friend or whatever it
is. Yeah, I saw this one in the
theater. I don't like, I don't think I
saw it when it first came out. I think I saw it later, and I'm
not sure why because this one came out fairly early.
This came out a Memorial Day weekend, so maybe I was too
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jazzed about getting ready to gosee Batman, like maybe that was
coming out like the following week or whatever.
But but I do remember seeing thetheater and just from the
opening sequence was like I was in.
I was locked in from the opening.
Like it just it had me from fromthe get go.
So but yeah, I've seen it so many times.
So we when was the last time youwatched it before we watching it
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for the podcast? We'll go the opposite order this
time. So Chad, you can go first.
It was a few months ago we did at Indiana Jones.
It was right before the Dial Destiny came out.
We said we skipped, of course, the Crystal Skull, but we
watched all three of the good original movies in preparation
for Dial Destiny, which like, yeah, like we talked about it
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was not the best. Right.
And then we watched it a couple weeks ago as well, so yeah.
Gotcha. Yeah, I used to watch it like
it's it's probably my, I want tosay my third favorite movie of
all time legit. Back to the Future being number
one. We already know, of course.
Of course. Yeah, dude, of course.
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All right, Nicholas, what about you?
How long has it been? It's been a few years, but I
mean, it's one of those like I, I've seen it more than once, you
know, like it is every so often I'll pull like I think when we
did Temple of Doom a couple years ago.
Yeah, yeah, I. Probably watched it then because
I was like, I already watched that one, I might as well finish
it off. But the Lego Indiana Jones, I've
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played through the movie a lot of times.
Yeah, on on the Lego. That sounds like fun.
The the Lego video game version of it but.
Yeah, what about you, Jerry? So I saw this movie about a
month ago. I usually watch this one about
once every, like one to two years.
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So yeah, I saw it again about a month ago and it was great.
My son came and watched it with me and yeah, good times.
He was a little scared of when the guy gets his head cut off,
you know? Spoiler alert, if you haven't
seen it, when you know with the big blade he was, he got a
little nervous there and then when the guy disintegrates as
well. But other than that, yeah, it
was about a month ago. Well, at least that's toward the
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end, right? Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, most of it was. Yeah, it's it's been a couple
like since I've watched it from beginning to end.
It's probably been a good coupleof years I would say.
I don't think I, yes, I did rewatch them before seeing
dialogue Destiny, now that I think about it, but before that,
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it was probably before Crystal Skull came out that actually sat
down and watched it all the way through.
But you know, every once in a while they'll run the marathon
on Paramount TV or the Paramountchannel or whatever.
And if I catch it on, I'll watch, you know, as much until
the next commercial. I just, I don't, I hate watching
movies with commercials now. It's just, it just it irritates
me, especially if I own it. I'm like, why am I going to sit
(09:55):
and watch commercials? Why am I going to watch a 2 hour
movie for three and a half, 3 1/2 hours?
Well, with the commercials like it just it totally takes you out
of the experience and I get I get real bored.
So all right, well let's jump into story origin and pre
production. I had to kind of how should I
say paraphrase a lot of this because there was a lot, I did
not realize how many different story revisions this movie had.
(10:18):
There were some very different ideas and what it evolved into.
So, so here we go. The path to Indiana Jones third
adventure was a was as winding and treacherous as any ancient
temple. Following the mixed reactions to
Temple of Doom, director Steven Spielberg and creator George
Lucas knew they needed to recapture the spirit of Raiders
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of Lost Ark. Their initial concepts, however,
wandered far from the familiar desert landscapes.
Lucas first pitched a Haunted Mansion idea Spielberg quickly
dismissed as too similar to their previous collaboration,
Poltergeist. The journey then took a truly
bizarre turn with a concept titled Indiana Jones and the
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Monkey King, which saw Indy battling a ghost in Scotland
before venturing to Africa in search of the Fountain of Youth.
Which didn't they just do a Fountain of Youth movie on Apple
Plus anyway? Yeah, that's not good.
Yeah, another movie that I didn't finish because.
John Krasinski and I was bored. Natalie Portman What it Yes.
Yeah, great cast, terrible movie.
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Moving on. Why?
Sorry. A script was even pinned by
Chris Columbus, featuring a cannibalistic tribe, a Nazi
Sergeant with a mechanical arm, and Indy himself being killed
and then resurrected by the mystical Monkey King.
But the scripts, outlandish plotand problematic depictions LED
Spielberg and Lucas to abandon it, feeling it was just a little
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bit too unbelievable. Why don't Chris?
Columbus. Yeah, I mean, you know, Gremlins
is believable. Come on.
Because, you know, the rest of the Last Crusade is very
believable. For sure.
Yeah, we'll get into so, yeah. So feeling lost, Spielberg
proposed a new direction, introducing Indiana estranged
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Father Henry Jones. Senior Lucas was hesitant,
wanting the mystical Holy Grail to be the focus, but Spielberg
saw the potential for a powerfulstory.
The search for the grill could mirror Indie's search for his
father's approval and a deeper connection.
This breakthrough led to a series of new scripts.
Early drafts saw Indie searchingfor for his father in exotic
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locations, battling demons and afemale Nazi leader.
Yet the story still hadn't foundits heart.
It was writer Jeffrey Boehm who who wrote Innerspace, who
insisted that finding Henry shouldn't be the climax but the
midpoint of the movie. This shifted the focus from a
simple quest for an artifact to a profound journey of
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reconciliation and understandingbetween father and son.
With the father son dynamic firmly in place, the final
pieces of the puzzle began to fall, many inspired by the
actors themselves. The legendary Sean Connery cast
as Henry Senior and fused the character with a comic charm
that reshaped the script. The film's iconic prologue
showing a young Indiana Jones was a nod to the creator's own
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lives from Indy getting his chinscar just as Harrison Ford had
to. Naming the hero after Lucas,
beloved dog Spielberg, a former Boy Scout, even gave young Indy
his own scouting history. Through numerous rewrites,
characters are refined, villainswere swapped, and the
treacherous Grail Grail trials were expanded.
What emerge from this long and winding creative process was not
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just another adventure, but a story with immense heart.
A tale that proved the greatest treasure of all wasn't a cup,
but the bond between a father and a son.
And sing that. Was almost I should have tear
there. That was nice.
That'll be my next monologue formy next part and rolled it down.
That's why I wouldn't have to remember.
Yeah, yeah. That was a great line.
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That's such a great line. You don't remember.
I wrote it in my book so I wouldn't have to remember.
Yeah, man, so much fun. So much fun.
Yes. So.
Yeah. So there was.
Yeah. The Monkey King.
I mean, that would have been so outrageous.
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean it.
What? It was funny because reading
some of the stuff, I'm like the stuff that you abandoned, it
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seemed like you kind of brought back for Crystal Skull.
Like all the really weird, kind of totally unbelievable stuff is
like Lucas is like, I'm going for it, Spielberg wouldn't do it
last time, I'm going for it. So I don't know, it's kind of
weird. I mean at that point like might
as well I guess. Yeah, they knew.
(14:34):
We waited so long to see a sequel.
We were going to come watch it anyway.
Didn't. Matter.
Who cares? Attempting to defend the Crystal
Skull, but like, you know, like the Fred scene and some of the
more unrealistic stuff. Like, this movie's got some
pretty unrealistic stuff in it. Yeah.
And I mean, Temple of Doom had some really unrealistic stuff
in. It true.
(14:55):
True. It's not like the world of being
them, like reading through all of the stuff yesterday after I
was done watching the movie and I'm talking about trying to kind
of trying to keep it grounded. You're like, did you though?
Because I mean. You know, I guess it's grounded
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within that world, but I mean, there's still, like, some stuff
that happens where you're just like, OK, I have to completely
suspend my disbelief. How is this any different than
Indie surviving a nuclear blast in a refrigerator?
True, true. But see, they did that at the
beginning of that movie. All the weird stuff happens at
the end of this one. So it got, yeah, it kind of kind
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of helped a little bit maybe. I don't know.
All right, well, you guys want to jump into casting?
Yeah. Let's keep this, keep this train
rolling. So of course, some of these
we've talked about in the previous episodes.
So. But we'll talk about Harrison
Ford, of course, as Henry Indiana Jones Junior Ford said
he loved the idea of introducingIndiana's father because it
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allowed him to explore another side to Indiana's personality.
And I also talked about, it wasn't in my notes, but Harrison
Ford, a lot of people are a lot of the people that were involved
in the 1st 2:00 felt like there wasn't enough character
development that had happened inthe previous movie.
So they really wanted more character development in this
one, which they which helped with the father and son stuff.
Of course, River Phoenix played the younger Indiana Jones.
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Phoenix had portrayed the son ofFord's character in The Mosquito
Coast in 1986. Ford recommended Phoenix for the
part. He said that of of the of the
young actors working at the time, Phoenix looked the most
like him when he was around thatage.
And then Phoenix said that whilehe preparing for the role, he
didn't really base his portrayalon Indiana Jones character, but
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on Harrison Ford himself. So he observed Ford out of
character before acting his part, which I thought was
hilarious because he's got it down.
I mean, from the beginning, you're like, I mean, he's got
the mannerisms and like the the cadence of his voice like he
did, he did a really good job ofthat.
So he was very believable, very believable as a young Indiana
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Jones. So.
And what I did not know is that he was offered the part in the
TV series but didn't want to return to television.
So that's why it was recast. But.
Man, I would have liked, I likedthat kind of continuity.
I would have liked to have seen him as as indie.
But I I get it, you know? Yeah, I think I've tried to go
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back and watch the Young IndianaJones series.
I know I watched it like when itcame out, but I haven't been
able to get into it again since I've gotten older.
I don't know. Let's say I haven't been able to
find it like I've been trying tofind the strain.
Like it's not streaming anywhere.
I'm sure YouTube probably has it.
But yeah, it was on Disney for aminute.
Yeah. So Disney Plus.
(17:43):
So maybe they took it off. Yeah, because when?
Because when they got all the Indiana Jones, like when Disney
bought Fox or whatever and they were able to go to bring it over
to Disney Plus, they had all of it on there.
That's when I tried to watch it then.
So maybe they'll bring it back again.
I don't know. So.
Didn't Harrison Ford actually cameo in it?
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I want to say he I think he did or he did like a voice over or
something in like the first episode or something.
So. And like he had a.
Beer. There was something like that.
Trying to remember. Though the guy who played him
was was a different actor. I think he's like supposed to be
the one the 100 hundred year oldIndiana was telling the story of
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him as a kid. I think that was a a different
actor though. I.
Don't remember, it's been too. Long either OK, it could be.
Sidebar. All right, so moving on.
So we got Sean Connery, who we talked about in previous
episodes like The Untouchables. But Spielberg had Connery in
mind when he suggested introducing Indiana's father,
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though he did not tell Lucas at first.
Consequently, Lucas wrote the role as a crazy, eccentric
professor resembling Lawrence Olivier, whose relationship with
Indiana was more of a strict schoolmaster and student rather
than a father and a son. Spielberg had been a fan of
Connery's work as James Bond andfelt that no one else could
perform the role as well, Spielberg's biographer Joseph
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McBride wrote. Connery was already the father
of Indiana Jones since the series that sprung from the
desire of Lucas and Spielberg torival and outdo Connery's James
Bond films. Connery, who had not wanted to
do major franchise films since working on James Bond, found
those roles dulled and wanted toavoid paparazzi attention.
He initially turned down the role, and also, he was only 12
(19:35):
years older than Harrison Ford, but eventually relented.
Con Yeah. Connery, a student of history,
began to reshape the character, and revisions were made to the
script to address his concerns. He said he wanted to play Henry
Jones as kind of a Richard Burton.
I was found it was, oh, he said.I was bound to have fun with the
role of a gruff Victorian Scottish father.
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Connery believed Henry should bea match for his son, telling
Spielberg that whatever Indy haddone, his character had done and
had done it much better. But did you, did you get that
out of the out of his performance that he had that
character had done stuff like that?
Some of it because he wasn't some of it on like the Grail and
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and ancient languages. And so in like that respect for
sure also in the Elsa respect I suppose as well.
But you know but. Well, she talks in her sleep.
She talks in. Her sleep.
That's right. But like some of the actiony
stuff, not really, although he does come up I guess with the
the solution to the plane, you know, with the birds.
But yeah, some of the other stuff, it felt like he was out
(20:39):
of his depth, you know, so. I don't know.
Yeah. Speaking of that line, she talks
in her sleep. That was improvised by her, by
Sean Connery. And they actually had to like do
a different take because when head libbed it, everyone busted
out laughing. And Spielberg said the we're
keeping that in. In the original script, that was
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supposed to he was supposed to find out that he had slept with
her much later in the story, butit was too good.
They were like, we're keeping that in.
So they had to shoot it again with him doing the line so.
I didn't trust her. Why did you?
Yeah. Why did you it's?
Going to be all night, I'm sorry.
That's all right, right? That's OK.
What can I say were two ships passing in the night or whatever
(21:23):
it was. I just think it's funny.
He he slaps Indiana Jones. The Jones were saying Jesus
Christ as being blasphemous, buthe's slept with a woman half his
age out of wedlock. So, you know, pick.
Pick even more so, which I'm oh,Buddy's nerfing to her.
I thought this was interesting. Harrison Ford and Sean Connery
passed up 3 subsequent opportunities to work together
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again after this movie. Connery accepted the role of The
Hunt for Red October 90, but Ford declined the role of Jack
Ryan, which went to Alec Baldwininstead.
Later, Ford took over the role in Patriot Games.
Ford and Connery declined the role of Alan Grant and John
Hammond, respectively, in Jurassic Park.
In 93. And Connery declined to come
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back from retirement to reprise the role of Henry Jones senior
in Indiana Jones in the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull in 2008.
Which was probably a good, probably a good thing.
After League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I don't blame him.
Poor guy. I like that movie.
I did, I mean. It's it's, it's one of those
good, bad movies. I understand.
Yeah. I, I just feel like he's
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notorious for picking these terrible movies, right?
Like, like he did James Bond andthen though he did James Bond,
right? And then like, what did he
really do? He did like Zardoz and like
Outland and like all this, like random stuff until like this.
And that kind of revitalized hiscareer, you know, this and then
Red October and things like that.
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But it's just funny to me that he's like, yeah, no, I'm not
going to do the Matrix. I'm not going to do Lord of the
Rings, but I will do League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
No to Jurassic Park, but yes to.Yeah, and that was Spielberg,
too. Yeah, yeah.
All right, so moving on, Dell home Elliot or Den?
(23:11):
Home Elliot as Marcus Brody, oneof my favorite characters.
He returned after Spielberg sought to recapture the tone of
Raiders of Lost Ark. Of course, they also made him a
little Dumber in this movie thanhe was in the previous movies.
That's right. Yeah, he did.
But he's so funny. Yeah.
And then sorry, get the giggles in while you can Allison Duty as
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Doctor Elsa Schneider. That is her last name DODDY.
We all turn into Beavis and ButtHead when we hear the word duty.
While the character of Elsa is in her 30s during the film,
Allison was 21 when she auditioned and one of the first
actresses who met for the part. German actress Gudrin Landgrebi
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was invited for the casting of Elsa but was rejected by Steven
Spielberg for looking too much like Amy Irving, whom he was
divorcing at the time. That's.
Rough. That's rough, yeah.
You look like my person to be ex-wife.
You're perfect for the part, butI can't hire you because I'm not
going to look at someone looks at my ex-wife for the Yeah.
(24:15):
So there was also another actress that was, like, in the
running, but I didn't remember her name and she didn't come up.
She did a stuff much later, but oh, yeah.
She didn't get it. But she was interesting.
Like I thought she would have done more after this movie, but
she really didn't. She was in a few other small
things, but nothing big. Then you got John Rise Davies as
Sala like Elliot's he was returned was also an attempt to
(24:38):
recapture the spirit of Raiders lost Ark Julian Glover as Walter
Donovan. Of course, if you were keen eye,
you know he previously appeared as General Veers and Lucas as
the Empire Strikes Back. He originally auditioned for the
role of Vogel Glover, who is I'msorry, Glover who is English
adopted an American accent for the film but said was
dissatisfied with the results. So he actually doesn't like his
(25:00):
performance in this movie. But yeah.
I like it. It was.
Great. It was.
Yeah, I thought it was good. I honestly didn't even catch the
the accent wasn't American. Yeah, yeah, it has a little bit
of a hint every once in a while.But because he's working with
the Germans, I, I just kind of let it slide, I guess.
But yeah. And then we've got Michael Byrne
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as Ernst Fogel, the brutal S S officer.
I put him down because Byrne andFord had previously starred in
Force 10 from Navarone in 1978, when which they also
respectively played a German andan American.
So they're used to fighting evenbefore this.
And then the character named Fedora in the credits, played by
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Richard Young, was in the scriptoriginally named Abner Ravenwood
because he was supposed to be Marion Ravenwood's father in
Indiana's Mentor, who was mentioned in Raiders of Lost Ark
and later in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
That would have been cool, yeah.I like that idea.
I thought that would have been anice little nod.
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And then Sir Laurence Olivier, widely considered to be the
greatest British actor of the 20th century, was briefly
considered to play the Grail Knight, but he was too I'll to
commit to the role and died shortly after the movie's
release in 1989. I forgot to go back and look at
it, but I'm almost 100% sure. And if I'm wrong then our
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listeners or viewers can let me know.
Send us an e-mail info@86flashback.com.
I think the same actor that played the Holy the Grail Knight
is the same guy that plays the waiter and Scrooged that says
when Bill Murray's having a little breakdown, he thinks he
sees the eyeball in the glass. They're talking about yes, this,
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thinks the waiter. Other waiter catches on fire.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think it's because he's
like, no, no, I think he's he says a lot like are you he not
the way that's on flight. Yeah, the he.
Yeah, no, who is he or yeah, there's that guy.
Am I right? Jerry's looking it up.
It's not in. It's not on his Wikipedia page.
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I mean it could be on IMDb but Idon't see it.
I meant to look it up and I forgot but.
I don't think that's it doesn't ring a bell.
It was the IT was the voice thatgot me though.
And then I was like, oh, he doeskind of look like him, just with
the, they made him look older with the beard and stuff.
But I was like that voice. I wasn't going to say, yeah,
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whatever that line is, who is he?
Or is it he? I can't think of the line.
No, it's not. It's Oh, no.
OK, well, that's his doppelganger.
Way to burst my bubble, Jerry. Jerry's last appearance on the
podcast. I'm kidding.
Never. Disagree with your host?
Never. I'm just kidding.
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He did play Jacob Marley's Ghostin a 1990 TVA Christmas Carol.
That's what it was. I'm just kidding.
And. He also played Santa Claus
episode of the Charmings the. Charmings, I remember that show.
The Snow White? Yeah, the second one, yes.
Fiddlesticks, Mommy Daddy said the F word.
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That's the only joke I remember from that show.
It was like the very first episode.
And I remember like Fiddlesticks, she said the F
word and I just thought that washilarious.
Anyway, so moving on. All right.
So anybody else from the cast that you want to mention?
Or did I cover the? I think that's pretty much
everybody. Those are all the important
parts, right? I have nobody I was going to add
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so. All right, all right.
This is my this. This one's going to be tough.
Iconic scene. I hope you got 1 written down
already. Let's start with Jerry.
If someone says Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, what's the
first scene that comes to mind? He chose poorly when when
Donovan picks the the wrong grail and Withers and ages and
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turns to dust and ash and skeletons, it's.
But yeah, but technically he didnot pick it.
Well, that's true, Allison. Duty.
Yeah, Elsa picked it. But but yeah, duty, sorry, but
yeah. I mean, that's like the he chose
just the night looking up at India just be like he chose.
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I mean, that's yeah, we've said that like my family and I've
said that for everything like since then, like we say all the
time. So for sure, most iconic for
sure. All right, Chad, what do you
got? Iconic scene.
Well, Jerry stole mine, yeah. I think.
Sorry, I think. That's all of ours.
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Yeah, I think that would put them in all of ours just.
The whole, the whole, that wholeending where you know, they're
going, he's going through the the three challenges.
And but I guess, I guess my favorite would be just that
little short. When Indy and and, and Sean
Connery are in the blimp, they're having a discussion and
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he's like, you know, by being a,you know, by being a father.
And he's like, you know, I, I let you do whatever you wanted,
you know, Did I tell you to go to bed?
Did I tell you to do all these things?
No Did. I tell you to wash.
Up that was. Do your homework.
Yeah, brush your teeth. Yeah, that was that was really
good. And you saw like you saw him be
like, you know, he wasn't the action hero.
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That's that's what made this this work as as you were talking
about in the beginning, that this made it more human, like he
was having a conversation with his dad.
Yeah. And like, you know, and if you,
you know, if your dad was the same situation, you would have a
similar conversation with your dad like this.
So. So, yeah, I like that one a lot.
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When the the beach umbrella. I do that all the if I have an
umbrella and I'm on the beach, I'm chasing birds.
That's. Chop, chop, chop, chop, chop,
chop. All right, I remember my
Charlemagne. Sorry.
OK, go ahead. All right, Nicholas, what about
you? Iconic scene aside from what's
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been mentioned. Yeah, aside from, I mean,
because I hadn't written down like all three trials, not just
the one, but my I think the other iconic scene for me is
that like when they meet, when he meets, when Henry meets
Henry, when Indiana meets up with Henry for the first time,
like halfway through the movie. Like just like the the castle,
like breaking in with a fake Scottish accent, then, you know,
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breaking the fake Ming Bays barsand then being tied up and like
getting in the fireplace. Like, yeah, yeah, just that
whole, like, I mean, it's just like it once that once they meet
up, it's like the ball just getsrolling.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it definitely, it definitely jumps
to it. Like everything accelerates at
that point. Like it's moving at a good
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point, a good pace at that point.
But once Henry Senior is on the scene, it's it's, it becomes
it's own. It's a different type of
adventure that kind of separatesit because the first part feels
like your typical Indiana Jones movie.
And then when he comes in, he kind of like flips a script
where it's like this banter and the comedy and stuff.
So and the heart with him. You can tell he really wants to
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impress his dad. Like when he's doing all the
stuff in the in the motorcycle chase and he's like looking at
his dad like it is. And Henry Senior's giving him
no, kind of like his just deadpan face.
And it's like, what can I do to,like, you know, impress you?
So yeah, for me, iconic. Of course, the, you know, you
chose poorly or you chose wisely.
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We've said it a million times. The other one for me is the
scene where he's about to go, where he's on the tank and
Indies about the tank is about to go over.
And for the first time his hat blows off, even though it was
stuck to his head while it was being pressed up against the
tank rotors or whatever. So but yeah, just I remember
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that the the first time, like, Oh my gosh, his hat fell off.
It finally happened. No, didn't they?
Staple it to his head or something.
No, there's, I had that in my notes there like they were
having, he was having a hard time keeping it on during some
of those scenes. They had tried different types
of glue and tape and there's a there's a shot of him like
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jokingly using a staple gun liketrying to staple it on, but it
wasn't. Real sad.
Yeah, so urban myth, but that's a all right.
So now the really hard part. Favorite scenes which I know we
have many all. Right.
Yeah, I'm sure. And Jerry?
We all have the same. Yeah, yeah, I got to say this.
When he's X marks the spot and he's trying, he grabs the
stanchion and tries to make it, and the librarian is stamping
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the books at the same time, and the sound just, like perfectly
coincide. It's amazing.
Yeah, the librarian looks like Albert Einstein.
It's OK. There's been, there's plenty to
choose from. Yeah, yes.
Who else? I got my SO one of my favorite
scenes is they're on the blimp. It's not the conversation that
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Chad spoke of, but the guys coming up and looking for
tickets and him and him and Harrison Ford get in a fight and
they started. And then he like punches him and
like shoves him out the window and he turns around and goes he
didn't have a ticket. And everybody whips out their
tickets. That's a great one.
Yeah, yeah, I really enjoy all the action scenes, like the the
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boat scene. The boat chase scene is probably
one of my favorites. The motorcycle chase scene.
The tank scene to me feels a little overdone like it just
without in you on the notes likethat was supposed to be a much
shorter scene, but Spielberg kept adding like everything come
up with different ideas. They kept adding to it.
So it goes a little long for me.And it's also kind of similar
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because he's also there's also atank scene in the 1st and rage
of the lost ark too. So it kind of, I kind of get
those two mixed up sometimes. But I love the motorcycle scene.
I love the boat scene. I love the opening sequence with
the young indie. You know, it comes out of the
comes out of the caves like everybody's lost but me.
Like that is Indiana Jones. Like he was just, that was a
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perfect line. Yeah.
And of course, you know, the himgoing through him, going through
the the three trials to get to the Grail are so good.
You know, the penitent man will pass.
You know, the word of God, Jehovah starts with an I in
Greek. And then of course, the the leap
of faith. So which I just thought was it
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it, it was so cool back then. It looks a little cartoonish
now, like going back and lookingat the effects.
But but yeah, but for 1989 it's not bad.
And that was some impressive technology from like.
Yes. Pre you know what prehistory or
whatever you know building in invisible bridges back in you
know. Yeah.
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Single digits or whatever year it was they built.
Right, right. And then do they like when he
breaks the letters that are wrong, does somebody come back
and like put new letters there so that the next person knows
that they're not supposed to anyway?
But also I'm trying. To what is stabilizing?
What is stabilizing those letters?
You know, like, is it just thesereally tall pillars that real?
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I like so. Yeah, and I did read like the
leap of faith, like the bridge in the original script of one of
the scripts. It wasn't like hidden, like it
wasn't already there. It was supposed to be a lever
that laid that let the bridge down the part of the lion, But
they ended up changing it. Like I think Lucas's group, the
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industrial Light and magic, theyended up ILM.
They ended up doing the the the special effects for that
portion. So which is kind of rough
because there's one, there's oneshot when it's moving and he's
walking across, he's actually walking like on the very edge,
like he's not in the middle of the bridge.
He's like right on the his left foot like is like hitting the
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very edge of the bridge. Anyway, that little piece always
bothers me when I see that. But anyway, the other scene,
which, you know, I didn't reallywant to talk about it, but I'm
going to talk about it. The only like really big scene
where I'm like it, you know how like make it make sense is the.
Meeting. Hitler No, even though that's
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that Part 2 was like watching itagain.
It's like I know he had to go there to get the get the book
back from Elsa, but like him coming face to face with Hill
there was kind of like, OK, let's I mean, it's the third
one. You're always fighting, you
know, Well, that's not the thirdtime fighting the Nazis, but,
you know, it's like one of his biggest enemies.
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But up the state was like, yeah,OK, here we go.
When Indiana's bag is caught on the tank's gun and is being
dragged along the wall, no stuntman was used.
Harrison Ford did it himself. The crew just went along with
shovels, tipping dirt and clay on him from above.
That's on the part during the fight on the tank, when Indy
falls and is hooked on the gun, it never shows how a strap
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actually became wrapped around the gun.
And also when he comes back aboard the tank, it doesn't show
how it got loose either. And that scene always bothers
me, Like how did it get around? Like because that's the one that
the gun that's like a spread outbecause Indy put the rock in it.
So like how did he even get on there?
And then how did he get it off? So anyway, that's my continuity
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issue but. He's Indiana Jones.
I don't know if I ever paid attention to that.
Yeah. Yeah, that's the problem
watching these movies 100 times,because you pick up on stuff
like the first time I watched it, I didn't care.
But when you've seen it, you've seen it 50 or 100 times, it's
like, wait a minute, how did he even get stuck like that?
I tell you, it was really nice seeing Sala again.
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Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
He's such a good character. I love the scene with him and
Marcus. Run.
What's that? Yeah.
You want to see my papers? My papers right here.
Run. You know, it's like how many
times you have to say run beforeMarcus is actually going to run.
And then, of course, him runninginto the.
Well, looks like a mark and is the back of the Nazi truck,
which was a nod to the scene with Marian and the original
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Raiders. When she gets she moves into
something that's also a a facadeas well, so.
Yeah, I love John Rhys Davies. He's he's fantastic.
Oh yeah, I was a huge fan of sliders, so yes, yeah, he's a
good on. The iconic character, yeah.
Yes I do. I think, and I could be wrong,
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but I, I feel like the beginningwith the young Indiana Jones was
a lead up to the, the three trials that he had on the train.
He would face later because you know, he had the the thing with
the snakes, the one with the therhino and then he did the one
with the lion before. Yeah, Yeah, I didn't even think
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about that. That's true.
So like he did three things on the train kind of foreshadowing
he would do the three things later in the at the, I mean at
the Petra. Being that this is still the the
era where most of the movie is done practical.
Yes. Most of the special effects for
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the most part hold up. There's some there a little, but
that a lot of the, the circus train special effects kind of
didn't hold up as well. But I, I mean, I can easily see
why that part of the movie was so well done, even though it
doesn't really hold up that they're like, let's do a whole
TV series of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, even though we had to go with Sean Patrick Flannery over
River Phoenix. But yeah, I don't.
I mean, you know, like we said earlier, like, you know, I don't
know how well that series holds up, but I definitely get like
watching that going. We need to do more of that.
Yeah, do you remember being? His versions better the ones
with the little kids. The little kids.
The little kid one, there was like 2 of them, one with Patrick
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Flannery, whatever his name is and then there was one with like
a. Little kid, a little kid.
Yeah, I do remember that. Sorry, Jerry, go ahead.
No, I was just going to say, I remember when the the show was
announced and I was a little bummed that it wasn't actually
like Harrison Ford's Indiana Jones.
I was like, oh, he's a kid. Come on.
Like, I just wanted more content.
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Of course. Yeah, of course, of course.
All right, let's jump into some other scene and trivia.
I have a lot. I'm probably going to put more
in the show notes. In the beginning of the movie,
when Professor Henry, Indiana Jones Junior is teaching his
class, he says if it's truth you're interested in, Doctor
Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall.
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This is a reference to Ford's own Professor Ford was a
philosophy major. Doctor William E Tyree at Ripon
College in Ripon is a Ripon. Ripon, WI.
Help me out. Nicholas Ripon.
Ripon. It is Ripon, Yeah, OK, no
disrespect to Riponites in Wisconsin Republic, that's what
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they're called. I don't, I don't know.
It's all they have, a Culver's. Guaranteed they got a Culver's
but. Yeah.
So this movie has the most chasesequences of Indiana Jones movie
with six different types of chases, foot chase, train, boat,
motorcycle, plane and car. This is also the only movie in
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the franchise to have a boat chase or a train chase.
That is until the 5th installment, the Dial of
Destiny. I did like this.
The temple at the end of the movie does exist, but it's not
in Alexandretta, it is in Petra,Jordan.
However, there is no inside to it.
The doorway scene on screen is huge.
Eight or nine people shoulder toshoulder can easily walk through
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it, but it only leads to a huge empty square room carved from
the top down over 2 stories high.
Similarly, they wouldn't be ableto get lost down the valley as
it stretches for about a mile orso, and there's no other no
other route but out. Steven Spielberg and his crew
were guests at the Royal Palace of King Hussein and Queen Noor
during their shoot in Jordan, and Spielberg was even brought
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to the temple by Queen Noor and her children.
Wow, I found this to be very interesting.
There is actually a reason for having two separate blades for
decapitating grail seekers at the climax.
The first one would behead someone who didn't kneel, while
the second would behead someone who pressed his head to the
ground. A Christian would kneel while a
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Muslim would press his head to the ground.
This ensured only a Christian could make it to the Grail and
not a Muslim. I was like, that was
interesting. I I never would have thought of
that. Yeah.
I always wondered what that second was for.
Yeah. And that's how I read it.
I was like, wow, I never would have thought that.
But like, they thought that out.And I was like, wow, yeah,
that's kind of actually impressive.
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Like, yeah, they, they put some real time and effort into their,
you know. Research.
But but but then he did like a flip over it too.
Right when? They Yeah, yeah.
It's like Harrison, you didn't have to do that, right?
And somebody, I mean, am I the only one?
The blades were cartoons, right?Like they did look like cartoon
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blades. Like something was off with
them. Yeah, for.
Sure. It's like whenever when I watch
it now, I'm like, how did this become Roger Rabbit all of a
sudden anyway? That's why the coyote they're
going to block the Acme Blade Company.
Talking, speaking about practical effects.
The shot of Donovan's death was created over three months by
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morphing together 3 puppets of Donovan in separate stages of
decay, a technique that ILM mastered on Willow in 1988.
A fourth puppet was used for thedecaying clothes because the
puppets torso mechanics had beenexposed.
Complications arose when Alice and Duty's double had not been
filmed for the scenes latter 2 elements, so the background and
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hair from the first shot had to be used throughout, with the
other faces mapped over it. Donovan's skeleton was hung on
wires like a marionette. It required several takes to
film it crashing against the wall because not all the pieces
released upon impact. So that like what, 45 seconds?
See, maybe, maybe a minute, minute and a half scene took
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three months to put together. And I do like this because I
always thought this was a cool thing.
Baking soda was applied to Sean Connery to create Henry's bullet
wound. Vinegar was applied to create
the foaming effect as the water from the grail washes over it.
I always thought that was a cooleffect for the little bubbles
and stuff. So that's baking soda and
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vinegar. So next time you want to freak
out your parents or, you know, freak out maybe, yeah.
Or freak out, you know, you're have some friends come over
Halloween. I've been shot.
Pour some water on me and it's vinegar and watch it go anyway.
And this will be my last little trivia thing.
I just thought this was cool. Cool way to to bring.
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I didn't, I did not realize thisuntil I read this.
Indiana's father is sketching inhis grail diary and asks, may he
who eliminated this illuminate me?
At the end of the movie, Indianaasks him, what did you find?
Dad? And his father replies,
Illumination. And I'd never put those two
lines together from the beginning and the end.
So I just thought that was a cool, very cool line to to end,
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end ONS. All right, box office.
The film was released in United States and Canada on Wednesday,
May 24th, 1989, earning a record$37 million over the four day
Memorial Day weekend and of course owning the number one
spot at the box office. There were no other new releases
that weekend. And why would you?
If you're going up against Indiana Jones, that's just like
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suicide, like, you know, suicidethere, you know, but it, it came
out before, like the other big ones for that year had not come
out yet. So Batman hadn't come out yet.
Lethal Weapon 2 hadn't come out,Ghostbusters 2 hadn't come out.
So I think Rain Man was already out.
And I can't remember who else was like I looked at the top ten
list that wasn't like really bigmovies like those are like the
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the, the spring movies that weretrying to get out before the
blockbuster season of the summer.
So but yeah, that was the official first blockbuster of 89
and became the highest grossing movie.
I think Batman won in the US butfor International Indiana Jones
Last Crusade beat out Batman so.Which makes sense.
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It's a more international movie.There's, you know, exotic
locales. I mean, all over.
You go to Venice, there's Germanor Austria, you know, all sorts
of other. So it makes sense.
All right, it's time to take a look at how well this 80s flick
holds up today. The all new rewatch ability and
nostalgia meters, our way of measuring how enjoyable movie is
for repeat viewings along with the waves nostalgia brings.
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Here's how it works. It's a one to 10 scale.
Any number between 1:00 and 10:00 will do.
Here a few few parameters to help you decide.
At the bottom of the meter is a #1, which means I saw it once
and that was all I could handle.Right in the middle of the five
is a good rewatch every couple of years.
And the highly coveted top of the meter at 10 is highly
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rewatchable and full of nostalgia.
So let's start with Jerry. Where does Indiana Jones and
Last Crusade rank for you on theNostalgia Watchability meter?
Definitely huge. So I can't quite decide between
A9 or A10. I love this movie.
I I watch it, like I said, at least once every one year or or
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two years for sure, but sometimes once a year.
So it's somewhere around 9 or 10.
I'll say 9 1/2. Just just, yeah, just 'cause I
can't decide. So I'll split the difference.
Yeah, I like that. What about you, Nicholas?
I'm going to give it a good solid 8.
OK. I mean, it's really good.
I really enjoy it. I mean, I enjoy Indiana Jones as
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a whole, but like, I don't, you know, it's just, I've got so
many other movies I watch and then I want to watch new stuff
like, you know, I mean it. So I will watch it, you know,
more often than other movies. So you know, a good solid 8.
OK, I like it. 8's a good one. All right, Chad, what you got?
I'm right there with Jerry. It's a 9.5 for me.
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I will watch this. I'll watch this anytime.
If you put it on. I'm going to sit there and watch
this movie. I love this movie.
I've loved it since I first watched it.
I really wish my parents would have let me go on see in the
theater. That's so wild.
Yeah, well, there were there were sticklers for that for some
reason, like like rated PG13 movies like had just started
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too. Right, right.
That wasn't like a thing like a couple of years before that.
Yeah, but I will say like when it first started, they it got
real, they didn't really know where the parameters were.
So there was a lot of that's thePG13 that was like borderline,
you know, so I could, I could see them being a little
skeptical. But, and you're right, Temple
will do. Yeah, it was scarier.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, well, and Temple of Doom was one of the movies that
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created. The exactly.
Yep, Yep. So yeah, definitely, definitely
not an 1/2 for me. Yeah, I was all ready to get.
I was ready to give it a 10. I mean, this was going to be
like the first one that I've given a tint on the podcast.
And then I heard myself say, youknow, it's been a couple of
years since I watched this all the way through.
So it's not one that I watch allthe time.
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So I'm going to give it a very strong nine, probably close to
like a 9 1/2 like you guys have said.
But as I said before, it's my favorite of the Indiana Jones
movies. I like Raiders.
Raiders gets a is a little slow to get started.
It takes a little while. I mean, as a great beginning,
but it just it kind of lulls a little bit in the middle.
But re watching this one, it gives me all of those summer
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blockbuster is like a true popcorn flick, like something
you just go to the you know, youjust want to escape and have a
good time. And I will say this is the first
movie that I watched. We my wife got me a video
projector and screen like for outdoors for Christmas and I had
I had it hanging up on our back balcony for a little while, but
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it's summer and the bugs and mosquitoes, even with like the
little anti bug things around, Ijust couldn't, I was never able
to finish a movie out there. So we have kind of an unfinished
basement downstairs. So I decided to like I'm, I
think it'll fit. So I put the screen on the wall.
I set up everything. We had an old couch.
So I'm kind of my man cave is becoming a reality and this was
the first movie I watched from beginning to end on my big
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screen. And it was kind of goes like,
hey, this is almost like going to the theater.
This is kind of nice. So so it was good to it was fun
to watch like on a really big screen.
Again, It's that it's that type of movie that you want to see on
like the biggest screen possiblefor sure.
So, so yeah, so yeah, I'll go with 9 if you twist some arm at
9 1/2, but I think I think everybody's pretty, pretty
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accurate there. So.
I will say of all the Indiana Jones movies, this is the one I
have seen the most often. Yes, same.
I would agree with that same. Yeah.
Like, you're right, Raiders is great, but this one has just
really gets into the characters more, especially it's because of
that relationship between Indy and his dad.
And so I think for me that because of that, like you said,
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it kind of just brings it up, just just edges it out slightly.
Yeah. But I do like how all the films
kind of start off with like thiscold open, like from a previous
adventure, just. Yeah, it's really interesting.
It's like I like that it's consistent and it's just, it
makes you like realize indie gets around.
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This guy is just he. He does a lot of stuff.
Yeah. I mean, it was like they were,
they were pulling from like the old serials at the time, like
making it like those. And you see that especially I
like there are a couple of scenes and this one at the
beginning with them pulling where they were pulling the
river Phoenix up out of the the last, the lion, the lion one or
(53:02):
whatever. And like how that, yeah, how
they pull them out really fast. Like that reminds me like an old
kind of a like serial kind of old, old movie kind of the way
it was filmed. So.
But yeah. All right.
Well, thanks, Jerry D Thanks, Nicholas.
Thanks, Chad, for joining this episode.
Jerry D Totally rad. Christmas.
It's Christmas in July. What do you guys got going on?
(53:25):
So for Christmas in July, we talked Let's see Better Homes
and Gardens. We talked Lupin the third Part 2
Beverly Hills teens. I don't know if you remember
that cartoon there was a let's see one that's coming up is Mt
VS Headbangers Ball. Like they had a Christmas all
right. A.
Headbangers Christmas from 1988 and Mr. Dress Up, which was like
(53:48):
a Canadian Mr. Rogers and so fewthings.
Yeah, pretty excited. Got some fun stuff coming up.
Very cool, Nicholas, what's going over it?
I'm going going on over at pop culture roulette for July.
I'll just. I just doing.
It out week by week. Figuring out week by week,
anything and everything we want to talk about, we talk about it
(54:08):
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We just try to we try to amuse ourselves and hopefully we're
amusing everybody along with it.So if you want to find us pop
culture roulette on Facebook or Instagram or any anywhere you
can get your podcast. Definitely check out Totally
Right Christmas and Pop Culture roulette for sure.
And then Chad Still, the afternoon DJ at the radio
(54:31):
station. I sure am Yep still there and if
if any of your your viewers listeners are in the McDonough
area, I do want to give a shout out.
We mentioned Culver's. My wife and I host a game group
that meets the 2nd and 4th Monday of so tomorrow from our
recording, not when it's released, but second and 4th
(54:54):
Monday of the month. We have a game night.
It's called game night bites andgo to game night bites to check
it out. My wife did a great job with the
website and we're excited. We're trying to expand it and
it's in cold. It's the culverts in McDonough,
GA. So if anybody using the area,
come on by, play a game, have some food and yeah, that's one
(55:14):
of the acts shout out. So that's good.
I love Culver's. Give me the give me the cheese
dipping sauce from my fries and I'm a happy man.
It's tomorrow. Well, again, I know this will
come out later, but from this recording it is tomorrow, so all
right. Cool.
Yeah. Well, thank you guys so much for
joining. Always a pleasure to have all
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I'm Tim Williams for the 80s flick flashback podcast Venice.
You call this hockey ology?
1989 was what some might call a good year for movies.
The top grossing flicks could read like anyone's favorite 80s
movie list. Batman, Lethal Weapon 2, Rain
Man, Ghostbusters 2. You could even include Tango and
Cash on my list. But only one 1989 release
brought back the iconic bullwhipand fedora.
(00:21):
Indiana Jones returned to the big screen in a blockbuster
adventure full of humor, heart, and amazing stunts.
Set in 1938, our hero sets out to rescue his father, a
medievalist who has vanished while searching for the Holy
Grail. Following the clues in Henry
Seniors Cherished Notebook, Indytravels to Europe, reuniting
with old allies while fighting off new Nazi foes.
(00:43):
So dust off your fedora, crack the bullwhip, and take a leap of
faith with Jerry D, Nicholas Pepin, Chad Shepard, and I as we
discuss Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade on this episode of
the 80s Flick Flashback Podcast.Welcome and everybody to the 80s
(01:41):
flick Flashback podcast. I'm your host Tim Williams.
It's time to choose wisely and I've chosen three of my favorite
Co host to join us for a quest to discuss one of the greatest
adventures of all time. First up, he's a man who has
studied the history of 80s cinema with more passion than
Indy's father studied the grail diary.
(02:02):
He knows that X never ever marksthe spot when it comes to a bad
movie takes. It's the wise and knowledgeable
host of Totally Rad Christmas. It's Jerry D How you doing,
Jerry? Well, I think I've been pretty
good so far. That's terrible.
That was a terrible Connery. I'm good.
How are you? That was all right.
That was all right. Next, joining our fellowship is
(02:22):
a podcaster who can navigate thebooby traps of bad movie tropes
and inconsistencies without misplacing a single step.
Please welcome from pop culture roulette, Mr. Nicholas Pepin.
How you doing Nicholas? It's all right, but you know,
sometimes X does mark the spot. It does, does and finally
completing our team. This man is the Sala of many
(02:43):
podcasting adventures, always ready to jump into action, even
if it means dealing with a few rats in the catacombs.
It's local DJ and 80s flick enthusiasts Chad Shepherd.
How you doing Chad? You were named after the dog.
My name is We named the dog in Deanna.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was trying to do Sala
that was. There you go, a bad impression
of Sala it. Works.
(03:04):
So I am thrilled to cruise crusade into this, one of my all
time favorite movies. OK, cool, cool.
So good I mess up that joke. That's all right, Going to mess
up plenty of times. Yeah, it's going to be fun.
It's. Going to be fun yes.
So thanks everybody for listening.
We're so glad that you're here as we talk about which I will
(03:24):
probably say is my favorite of the Indiana Jones.
I know that's probably a hot topic this a lot there's a lot
of debate whether which one is better Raiders or last Crusade.
I think Last Crusade just barelyedges it out for me, but.
You're not taking Kingdom of theCrystal Skull.
Definitely not there's. Blast.
There's only three. There's only three indie.
Movies, there's only three that matter.
(03:46):
The last one that was at the Dial of Destiny.
It wasn't terrible, but it just it it.
I liked it when I saw it in the theatre and then when I tried to
watch it again I got so bored I had to turn it off It just.
More boring than anything else, so just worse.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't like the actress.
I did not like her. Yeah, she.
(04:06):
Was not appealing to me, no. Sometimes the cast can hurt you.
Yeah. All right, well, let's jump
right in. We got lots to talk about, and I
got a lot of people to ask theiropinions.
So it's a full episode with three Co hoes.
So here we go. We will start with Jerry since
he introduced first. When did you see Indiana Jones
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and Last Crusade for the first time?
I saw it in the theater in 1989.It was awesome.
I remember because the the mall,it was LA Plaza Mall.
It used to have a movie theater.And then somewhere in like the
early 90s they got rid of it andyou know, they built more stores
or whatever. But I remember we went to the
(04:49):
mall to see this movie and I remember there was posters for
Back to the Future, like two or three.
I think it might have been threemight have been coming.
Yeah. 2 was out or. Yeah, Yeah.
So there was like standees for two and then like a poster for
like 3 coming soon. Oh, wow.
And I remember being very excited.
It was like, this is awesome. And seeing it in the theater and
(05:11):
I loved it. Man, This is great.
It it didn't have anyone rippingout people's hearts.
It felt like, it felt like Raiders.
It was just really cool. And then, you know, and that,
like, James Bond was Indiana Jones's dad.
I mean, yeah, yes, please. So yeah, I saw this back in the
theater in 1989. Very cool.
What about you, Nicholas? Somehow I did not see this one
(05:34):
until a rental. OK.
Now, like you pointed out with the 8989 was a packed year in
the theater. Yes, yeah, and I know.
That a lot of the movies you talked about I did see so it
must have been just a decision on my parents part to be like
we've already seen too many. I don't, I don't know, but I
just, I saw it and I, we rented it and I mean, I, it's not hard
(05:58):
to say this one's my favorite ofall five of them, but.
Yeah, good choice. All right, Chad, you're up.
When did you see it for the first time?
I unfortunately did not see it in the theater on in 89 I I
vividly remember my parents telling me we're going to go see
the new Indiana Jones movie. But not you.
It's it's rated PG13. I was 10.
(06:21):
So they're like, you're not, you're not 13, right?
We have to see this. So I don't, I don't, I don't
think we, I went to the theater.We know we rented it and watched
it from, you know, local video rentals and whatnot.
And. Little did they know that it was
less terrifying than two, which was.
Rated PG Yeah, and I saw that one right.
Right. Right.
(06:42):
Not in the theater, but we we saw that a lot.
We rented that one or borrowed it from a friend or whatever it
is. Yeah, I saw this one in the
theater. I don't like, I don't think I
saw it when it first came out. I think I saw it later, and I'm
not sure why because this one came out fairly early.
This came out a Memorial Day weekend, so maybe I was too
(07:02):
jazzed about getting ready to gosee Batman, like maybe that was
coming out like the following week or whatever.
But but I do remember seeing thetheater and just from the
opening sequence was like I was in.
I was locked in from the opening.
Like it just it had me from fromthe get go.
So but yeah, I've seen it so many times.
So we when was the last time youwatched it before we watching it
(07:24):
for the podcast? We'll go the opposite order this
time. So Chad, you can go first.
It was a few months ago we did at Indiana Jones.
It was right before the Dial Destiny came out.
We said we skipped, of course, the Crystal Skull, but we
watched all three of the good original movies in preparation
for Dial Destiny, which like, yeah, like we talked about it
(07:44):
was not the best. Right.
And then we watched it a couple weeks ago as well, so yeah.
Gotcha. Yeah, I used to watch it like
it's it's probably my, I want tosay my third favorite movie of
all time legit. Back to the Future being number
one. We already know, of course.
Of course. Yeah, dude, of course.
(08:08):
All right, Nicholas, what about you?
How long has it been? It's been a few years, but I
mean, it's one of those like I, I've seen it more than once, you
know, like it is every so often I'll pull like I think when we
did Temple of Doom a couple years ago.
Yeah, yeah, I. Probably watched it then because
I was like, I already watched that one, I might as well finish
it off. But the Lego Indiana Jones, I've
(08:31):
played through the movie a lot of times.
Yeah, on on the Lego. That sounds like fun.
The the Lego video game version of it but.
Yeah, what about you, Jerry? So I saw this movie about a
month ago. I usually watch this one about
once every, like one to two years.
(08:53):
So yeah, I saw it again about a month ago and it was great.
My son came and watched it with me and yeah, good times.
He was a little scared of when the guy gets his head cut off,
you know? Spoiler alert, if you haven't
seen it, when you know with the big blade he was, he got a
little nervous there and then when the guy disintegrates as
well. But other than that, yeah, it
was about a month ago. Well, at least that's toward the
(09:14):
end, right? Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, most of it was. Yeah, it's it's been a couple
like since I've watched it from beginning to end.
It's probably been a good coupleof years I would say.
I don't think I, yes, I did rewatch them before seeing
dialogue Destiny, now that I think about it, but before that,
(09:34):
it was probably before Crystal Skull came out that actually sat
down and watched it all the way through.
But you know, every once in a while they'll run the marathon
on Paramount TV or the Paramountchannel or whatever.
And if I catch it on, I'll watch, you know, as much until
the next commercial. I just, I don't, I hate watching
movies with commercials now. It's just, it just it irritates
me, especially if I own it. I'm like, why am I going to sit
(09:55):
and watch commercials? Why am I going to watch a 2 hour
movie for three and a half, 3 1/2 hours?
Well, with the commercials like it just it totally takes you out
of the experience and I get I get real bored.
So all right, well let's jump into story origin and pre
production. I had to kind of how should I
say paraphrase a lot of this because there was a lot, I did
not realize how many different story revisions this movie had.
(10:18):
There were some very different ideas and what it evolved into.
So, so here we go. The path to Indiana Jones third
adventure was a was as winding and treacherous as any ancient
temple. Following the mixed reactions to
Temple of Doom, director Steven Spielberg and creator George
Lucas knew they needed to recapture the spirit of Raiders
(10:39):
of Lost Ark. Their initial concepts, however,
wandered far from the familiar desert landscapes.
Lucas first pitched a Haunted Mansion idea Spielberg quickly
dismissed as too similar to their previous collaboration,
Poltergeist. The journey then took a truly
bizarre turn with a concept titled Indiana Jones and the
(10:59):
Monkey King, which saw Indy battling a ghost in Scotland
before venturing to Africa in search of the Fountain of Youth.
Which didn't they just do a Fountain of Youth movie on Apple
Plus anyway? Yeah, that's not good.
Yeah, another movie that I didn't finish because.
John Krasinski and I was bored. Natalie Portman What it Yes.
Yeah, great cast, terrible movie.
(11:22):
Moving on. Why?
Sorry. A script was even pinned by
Chris Columbus, featuring a cannibalistic tribe, a Nazi
Sergeant with a mechanical arm, and Indy himself being killed
and then resurrected by the mystical Monkey King.
But the scripts, outlandish plotand problematic depictions LED
Spielberg and Lucas to abandon it, feeling it was just a little
(11:44):
bit too unbelievable. Why don't Chris?
Columbus. Yeah, I mean, you know, Gremlins
is believable. Come on.
Because, you know, the rest of the Last Crusade is very
believable. For sure.
Yeah, we'll get into so, yeah. So feeling lost, Spielberg
proposed a new direction, introducing Indiana estranged
(12:04):
Father Henry Jones. Senior Lucas was hesitant,
wanting the mystical Holy Grail to be the focus, but Spielberg
saw the potential for a powerfulstory.
The search for the grill could mirror Indie's search for his
father's approval and a deeper connection.
This breakthrough led to a series of new scripts.
Early drafts saw Indie searchingfor for his father in exotic
(12:26):
locations, battling demons and afemale Nazi leader.
Yet the story still hadn't foundits heart.
It was writer Jeffrey Boehm who who wrote Innerspace, who
insisted that finding Henry shouldn't be the climax but the
midpoint of the movie. This shifted the focus from a
simple quest for an artifact to a profound journey of
(12:47):
reconciliation and understandingbetween father and son.
With the father son dynamic firmly in place, the final
pieces of the puzzle began to fall, many inspired by the
actors themselves. The legendary Sean Connery cast
as Henry Senior and fused the character with a comic charm
that reshaped the script. The film's iconic prologue
showing a young Indiana Jones was a nod to the creator's own
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lives from Indy getting his chinscar just as Harrison Ford had
to. Naming the hero after Lucas,
beloved dog Spielberg, a former Boy Scout, even gave young Indy
his own scouting history. Through numerous rewrites,
characters are refined, villainswere swapped, and the
treacherous Grail Grail trials were expanded.
What emerge from this long and winding creative process was not
(13:32):
just another adventure, but a story with immense heart.
A tale that proved the greatest treasure of all wasn't a cup,
but the bond between a father and a son.
And sing that. Was almost I should have tear
there. That was nice.
That'll be my next monologue formy next part and rolled it down.
That's why I wouldn't have to remember.
Yeah, yeah. That was a great line.
(13:52):
That's such a great line. You don't remember.
I wrote it in my book so I wouldn't have to remember.
Yeah, man, so much fun. So much fun.
Yes. So.
Yeah. So there was.
Yeah. The Monkey King.
I mean, that would have been so outrageous.
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean it.
What? It was funny because reading
some of the stuff, I'm like the stuff that you abandoned, it
(14:13):
seemed like you kind of brought back for Crystal Skull.
Like all the really weird, kind of totally unbelievable stuff is
like Lucas is like, I'm going for it, Spielberg wouldn't do it
last time, I'm going for it. So I don't know, it's kind of
weird. I mean at that point like might
as well I guess. Yeah, they knew.
(14:34):
We waited so long to see a sequel.
We were going to come watch it anyway.
Didn't. Matter.
Who cares? Attempting to defend the Crystal
Skull, but like, you know, like the Fred scene and some of the
more unrealistic stuff. Like, this movie's got some
pretty unrealistic stuff in it. Yeah.
And I mean, Temple of Doom had some really unrealistic stuff
in. It true.
(14:55):
True. It's not like the world of being
them, like reading through all of the stuff yesterday after I
was done watching the movie and I'm talking about trying to kind
of trying to keep it grounded. You're like, did you though?
Because I mean. You know, I guess it's grounded
(15:15):
within that world, but I mean, there's still, like, some stuff
that happens where you're just like, OK, I have to completely
suspend my disbelief. How is this any different than
Indie surviving a nuclear blast in a refrigerator?
True, true. But see, they did that at the
beginning of that movie. All the weird stuff happens at
the end of this one. So it got, yeah, it kind of kind
(15:36):
of helped a little bit maybe. I don't know.
All right, well, you guys want to jump into casting?
Yeah. Let's keep this, keep this train
rolling. So of course, some of these
we've talked about in the previous episodes.
So. But we'll talk about Harrison
Ford, of course, as Henry Indiana Jones Junior Ford said
he loved the idea of introducingIndiana's father because it
(15:57):
allowed him to explore another side to Indiana's personality.
And I also talked about, it wasn't in my notes, but Harrison
Ford, a lot of people are a lot of the people that were involved
in the 1st 2:00 felt like there wasn't enough character
development that had happened inthe previous movie.
So they really wanted more character development in this
one, which they which helped with the father and son stuff.
Of course, River Phoenix played the younger Indiana Jones.
(16:19):
Phoenix had portrayed the son ofFord's character in The Mosquito
Coast in 1986. Ford recommended Phoenix for the
part. He said that of of the of the
young actors working at the time, Phoenix looked the most
like him when he was around thatage.
And then Phoenix said that whilehe preparing for the role, he
didn't really base his portrayalon Indiana Jones character, but
(16:40):
on Harrison Ford himself. So he observed Ford out of
character before acting his part, which I thought was
hilarious because he's got it down.
I mean, from the beginning, you're like, I mean, he's got
the mannerisms and like the the cadence of his voice like he
did, he did a really good job ofthat.
So he was very believable, very believable as a young Indiana
(17:01):
Jones. So.
And what I did not know is that he was offered the part in the
TV series but didn't want to return to television.
So that's why it was recast. But.
Man, I would have liked, I likedthat kind of continuity.
I would have liked to have seen him as as indie.
But I I get it, you know? Yeah, I think I've tried to go
(17:21):
back and watch the Young IndianaJones series.
I know I watched it like when itcame out, but I haven't been
able to get into it again since I've gotten older.
I don't know. Let's say I haven't been able to
find it like I've been trying tofind the strain.
Like it's not streaming anywhere.
I'm sure YouTube probably has it.
But yeah, it was on Disney for aminute.
Yeah. So Disney Plus.
(17:43):
So maybe they took it off. Yeah, because when?
Because when they got all the Indiana Jones, like when Disney
bought Fox or whatever and they were able to go to bring it over
to Disney Plus, they had all of it on there.
That's when I tried to watch it then.
So maybe they'll bring it back again.
I don't know. So.
Didn't Harrison Ford actually cameo in it?
(18:07):
I want to say he I think he did or he did like a voice over or
something in like the first episode or something.
So. And like he had a.
Beer. There was something like that.
Trying to remember. Though the guy who played him
was was a different actor. I think he's like supposed to be
the one the 100 hundred year oldIndiana was telling the story of
(18:28):
him as a kid. I think that was a a different
actor though. I.
Don't remember, it's been too. Long either OK, it could be.
Sidebar. All right, so moving on.
So we got Sean Connery, who we talked about in previous
episodes like The Untouchables. But Spielberg had Connery in
mind when he suggested introducing Indiana's father,
(18:49):
though he did not tell Lucas at first.
Consequently, Lucas wrote the role as a crazy, eccentric
professor resembling Lawrence Olivier, whose relationship with
Indiana was more of a strict schoolmaster and student rather
than a father and a son. Spielberg had been a fan of
Connery's work as James Bond andfelt that no one else could
perform the role as well, Spielberg's biographer Joseph
(19:12):
McBride wrote. Connery was already the father
of Indiana Jones since the series that sprung from the
desire of Lucas and Spielberg torival and outdo Connery's James
Bond films. Connery, who had not wanted to
do major franchise films since working on James Bond, found
those roles dulled and wanted toavoid paparazzi attention.
He initially turned down the role, and also, he was only 12
(19:35):
years older than Harrison Ford, but eventually relented.
Con Yeah. Connery, a student of history,
began to reshape the character, and revisions were made to the
script to address his concerns. He said he wanted to play Henry
Jones as kind of a Richard Burton.
I was found it was, oh, he said.I was bound to have fun with the
role of a gruff Victorian Scottish father.
(19:56):
Connery believed Henry should bea match for his son, telling
Spielberg that whatever Indy haddone, his character had done and
had done it much better. But did you, did you get that
out of the out of his performance that he had that
character had done stuff like that?
Some of it because he wasn't some of it on like the Grail and
(20:17):
and ancient languages. And so in like that respect for
sure also in the Elsa respect I suppose as well.
But you know but. Well, she talks in her sleep.
She talks in. Her sleep.
That's right. But like some of the actiony
stuff, not really, although he does come up I guess with the
the solution to the plane, you know, with the birds.
But yeah, some of the other stuff, it felt like he was out
(20:39):
of his depth, you know, so. I don't know.
Yeah. Speaking of that line, she talks
in her sleep. That was improvised by her, by
Sean Connery. And they actually had to like do
a different take because when head libbed it, everyone busted
out laughing. And Spielberg said the we're
keeping that in. In the original script, that was
(21:00):
supposed to he was supposed to find out that he had slept with
her much later in the story, butit was too good.
They were like, we're keeping that in.
So they had to shoot it again with him doing the line so.
I didn't trust her. Why did you?
Yeah. Why did you it's?
Going to be all night, I'm sorry.
That's all right, right? That's OK.
What can I say were two ships passing in the night or whatever
(21:23):
it was. I just think it's funny.
He he slaps Indiana Jones. The Jones were saying Jesus
Christ as being blasphemous, buthe's slept with a woman half his
age out of wedlock. So, you know, pick.
Pick even more so, which I'm oh,Buddy's nerfing to her.
I thought this was interesting. Harrison Ford and Sean Connery
passed up 3 subsequent opportunities to work together
(21:47):
again after this movie. Connery accepted the role of The
Hunt for Red October 90, but Ford declined the role of Jack
Ryan, which went to Alec Baldwininstead.
Later, Ford took over the role in Patriot Games.
Ford and Connery declined the role of Alan Grant and John
Hammond, respectively, in Jurassic Park.
In 93. And Connery declined to come
(22:08):
back from retirement to reprise the role of Henry Jones senior
in Indiana Jones in the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull in 2008.
Which was probably a good, probably a good thing.
After League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I don't blame him.
Poor guy. I like that movie.
I did, I mean. It's it's, it's one of those
good, bad movies. I understand.
Yeah. I, I just feel like he's
(22:29):
notorious for picking these terrible movies, right?
Like, like he did James Bond andthen though he did James Bond,
right? And then like, what did he
really do? He did like Zardoz and like
Outland and like all this, like random stuff until like this.
And that kind of revitalized hiscareer, you know, this and then
Red October and things like that.
(22:50):
But it's just funny to me that he's like, yeah, no, I'm not
going to do the Matrix. I'm not going to do Lord of the
Rings, but I will do League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
No to Jurassic Park, but yes to.Yeah, and that was Spielberg,
too. Yeah, yeah.
All right, so moving on, Dell home Elliot or Den?
(23:11):
Home Elliot as Marcus Brody, oneof my favorite characters.
He returned after Spielberg sought to recapture the tone of
Raiders of Lost Ark. Of course, they also made him a
little Dumber in this movie thanhe was in the previous movies.
That's right. Yeah, he did.
But he's so funny. Yeah.
And then sorry, get the giggles in while you can Allison Duty as
(23:34):
Doctor Elsa Schneider. That is her last name DODDY.
We all turn into Beavis and ButtHead when we hear the word duty.
While the character of Elsa is in her 30s during the film,
Allison was 21 when she auditioned and one of the first
actresses who met for the part. German actress Gudrin Landgrebi
(23:55):
was invited for the casting of Elsa but was rejected by Steven
Spielberg for looking too much like Amy Irving, whom he was
divorcing at the time. That's.
Rough. That's rough, yeah.
You look like my person to be ex-wife.
You're perfect for the part, butI can't hire you because I'm not
going to look at someone looks at my ex-wife for the Yeah.
(24:15):
So there was also another actress that was, like, in the
running, but I didn't remember her name and she didn't come up.
She did a stuff much later, but oh, yeah.
She didn't get it. But she was interesting.
Like I thought she would have done more after this movie, but
she really didn't. She was in a few other small
things, but nothing big. Then you got John Rise Davies as
Sala like Elliot's he was returned was also an attempt to
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recapture the spirit of Raiders lost Ark Julian Glover as Walter
Donovan. Of course, if you were keen eye,
you know he previously appeared as General Veers and Lucas as
the Empire Strikes Back. He originally auditioned for the
role of Vogel Glover, who is I'msorry, Glover who is English
adopted an American accent for the film but said was
dissatisfied with the results. So he actually doesn't like his
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performance in this movie. But yeah.
I like it. It was.
Great. It was.
Yeah, I thought it was good. I honestly didn't even catch the
the accent wasn't American. Yeah, yeah, it has a little bit
of a hint every once in a while.But because he's working with
the Germans, I, I just kind of let it slide, I guess.
But yeah. And then we've got Michael Byrne
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as Ernst Fogel, the brutal S S officer.
I put him down because Byrne andFord had previously starred in
Force 10 from Navarone in 1978, when which they also
respectively played a German andan American.
So they're used to fighting evenbefore this.
And then the character named Fedora in the credits, played by
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Richard Young, was in the scriptoriginally named Abner Ravenwood
because he was supposed to be Marion Ravenwood's father in
Indiana's Mentor, who was mentioned in Raiders of Lost Ark
and later in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
That would have been cool, yeah.I like that idea.
I thought that would have been anice little nod.
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And then Sir Laurence Olivier, widely considered to be the
greatest British actor of the 20th century, was briefly
considered to play the Grail Knight, but he was too I'll to
commit to the role and died shortly after the movie's
release in 1989. I forgot to go back and look at
it, but I'm almost 100% sure. And if I'm wrong then our
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listeners or viewers can let me know.
Send us an e-mail info@86flashback.com.
I think the same actor that played the Holy the Grail Knight
is the same guy that plays the waiter and Scrooged that says
when Bill Murray's having a little breakdown, he thinks he
sees the eyeball in the glass. They're talking about yes, this,
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thinks the waiter. Other waiter catches on fire.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think it's because he's
like, no, no, I think he's he says a lot like are you he not
the way that's on flight. Yeah, the he.
Yeah, no, who is he or yeah, there's that guy.
Am I right? Jerry's looking it up.
It's not in. It's not on his Wikipedia page.
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I mean it could be on IMDb but Idon't see it.
I meant to look it up and I forgot but.
I don't think that's it doesn't ring a bell.
It was the IT was the voice thatgot me though.
And then I was like, oh, he doeskind of look like him, just with
the, they made him look older with the beard and stuff.
But I was like that voice. I wasn't going to say, yeah,
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whatever that line is, who is he?
Or is it he? I can't think of the line.
No, it's not. It's Oh, no.
OK, well, that's his doppelganger.
Way to burst my bubble, Jerry. Jerry's last appearance on the
podcast. I'm kidding.
Never. Disagree with your host?
Never. I'm just kidding.
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He did play Jacob Marley's Ghostin a 1990 TVA Christmas Carol.
That's what it was. I'm just kidding.
And. He also played Santa Claus
episode of the Charmings the. Charmings, I remember that show.
The Snow White? Yeah, the second one, yes.
Fiddlesticks, Mommy Daddy said the F word.
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That's the only joke I remember from that show.
It was like the very first episode.
And I remember like Fiddlesticks, she said the F
word and I just thought that washilarious.
Anyway, so moving on. All right.
So anybody else from the cast that you want to mention?
Or did I cover the? I think that's pretty much
everybody. Those are all the important
parts, right? I have nobody I was going to add
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so. All right, all right.
This is my this. This one's going to be tough.
Iconic scene. I hope you got 1 written down
already. Let's start with Jerry.
If someone says Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, what's the
first scene that comes to mind? He chose poorly when when
Donovan picks the the wrong grail and Withers and ages and
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turns to dust and ash and skeletons, it's.
But yeah, but technically he didnot pick it.
Well, that's true, Allison. Duty.
Yeah, Elsa picked it. But but yeah, duty, sorry, but
yeah. I mean, that's like the he chose
just the night looking up at India just be like he chose.
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I mean, that's yeah, we've said that like my family and I've
said that for everything like since then, like we say all the
time. So for sure, most iconic for
sure. All right, Chad, what do you
got? Iconic scene.
Well, Jerry stole mine, yeah. I think.
Sorry, I think. That's all of ours.
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Yeah, I think that would put them in all of ours just.
The whole, the whole, that wholeending where you know, they're
going, he's going through the the three challenges.
And but I guess, I guess my favorite would be just that
little short. When Indy and and, and Sean
Connery are in the blimp, they're having a discussion and
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he's like, you know, by being a,you know, by being a father.
And he's like, you know, I, I let you do whatever you wanted,
you know, Did I tell you to go to bed?
Did I tell you to do all these things?
No Did. I tell you to wash.
Up that was. Do your homework.
Yeah, brush your teeth. Yeah, that was that was really
good. And you saw like you saw him be
like, you know, he wasn't the action hero.
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That's that's what made this this work as as you were talking
about in the beginning, that this made it more human, like he
was having a conversation with his dad.
Yeah. And like, you know, and if you,
you know, if your dad was the same situation, you would have a
similar conversation with your dad like this.
So. So, yeah, I like that one a lot.
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When the the beach umbrella. I do that all the if I have an
umbrella and I'm on the beach, I'm chasing birds.
That's. Chop, chop, chop, chop, chop,
chop. All right, I remember my
Charlemagne. Sorry.
OK, go ahead. All right, Nicholas, what about
you? Iconic scene aside from what's
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been mentioned. Yeah, aside from, I mean,
because I hadn't written down like all three trials, not just
the one, but my I think the other iconic scene for me is
that like when they meet, when he meets, when Henry meets
Henry, when Indiana meets up with Henry for the first time,
like halfway through the movie. Like just like the the castle,
like breaking in with a fake Scottish accent, then, you know,
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breaking the fake Ming Bays barsand then being tied up and like
getting in the fireplace. Like, yeah, yeah, just that
whole, like, I mean, it's just like it once that once they meet
up, it's like the ball just getsrolling.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it definitely, it definitely jumps
to it. Like everything accelerates at
that point. Like it's moving at a good
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point, a good pace at that point.
But once Henry Senior is on the scene, it's it's, it becomes
it's own. It's a different type of
adventure that kind of separatesit because the first part feels
like your typical Indiana Jones movie.
And then when he comes in, he kind of like flips a script
where it's like this banter and the comedy and stuff.
So and the heart with him. You can tell he really wants to
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impress his dad. Like when he's doing all the
stuff in the in the motorcycle chase and he's like looking at
his dad like it is. And Henry Senior's giving him
no, kind of like his just deadpan face.
And it's like, what can I do to,like, you know, impress you?
So yeah, for me, iconic. Of course, the, you know, you
chose poorly or you chose wisely.
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We've said it a million times. The other one for me is the
scene where he's about to go, where he's on the tank and
Indies about the tank is about to go over.
And for the first time his hat blows off, even though it was
stuck to his head while it was being pressed up against the
tank rotors or whatever. So but yeah, just I remember
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that the the first time, like, Oh my gosh, his hat fell off.
It finally happened. No, didn't they?
Staple it to his head or something.
No, there's, I had that in my notes there like they were
having, he was having a hard time keeping it on during some
of those scenes. They had tried different types
of glue and tape and there's a there's a shot of him like
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jokingly using a staple gun liketrying to staple it on, but it
wasn't. Real sad.
Yeah, so urban myth, but that's a all right.
So now the really hard part. Favorite scenes which I know we
have many all. Right.
Yeah, I'm sure. And Jerry?
We all have the same. Yeah, yeah, I got to say this.
When he's X marks the spot and he's trying, he grabs the
stanchion and tries to make it, and the librarian is stamping
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the books at the same time, and the sound just, like perfectly
coincide. It's amazing.
Yeah, the librarian looks like Albert Einstein.
It's OK. There's been, there's plenty to
choose from. Yeah, yes.
Who else? I got my SO one of my favorite
scenes is they're on the blimp. It's not the conversation that
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Chad spoke of, but the guys coming up and looking for
tickets and him and him and Harrison Ford get in a fight and
they started. And then he like punches him and
like shoves him out the window and he turns around and goes he
didn't have a ticket. And everybody whips out their
tickets. That's a great one.
Yeah, yeah, I really enjoy all the action scenes, like the the
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boat scene. The boat chase scene is probably
one of my favorites. The motorcycle chase scene.
The tank scene to me feels a little overdone like it just
without in you on the notes likethat was supposed to be a much
shorter scene, but Spielberg kept adding like everything come
up with different ideas. They kept adding to it.
So it goes a little long for me.And it's also kind of similar
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because he's also there's also atank scene in the 1st and rage
of the lost ark too. So it kind of, I kind of get
those two mixed up sometimes. But I love the motorcycle scene.
I love the boat scene. I love the opening sequence with
the young indie. You know, it comes out of the
comes out of the caves like everybody's lost but me.
Like that is Indiana Jones. Like he was just, that was a
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perfect line. Yeah.
And of course, you know, the himgoing through him, going through
the the three trials to get to the Grail are so good.
You know, the penitent man will pass.
You know, the word of God, Jehovah starts with an I in
Greek. And then of course, the the leap
of faith. So which I just thought was it
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it, it was so cool back then. It looks a little cartoonish
now, like going back and lookingat the effects.
But but yeah, but for 1989 it's not bad.
And that was some impressive technology from like.
Yes. Pre you know what prehistory or
whatever you know building in invisible bridges back in you
know. Yeah.
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Single digits or whatever year it was they built.
Right, right. And then do they like when he
breaks the letters that are wrong, does somebody come back
and like put new letters there so that the next person knows
that they're not supposed to anyway?
But also I'm trying. To what is stabilizing?
What is stabilizing those letters?
You know, like, is it just thesereally tall pillars that real?
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I like so. Yeah, and I did read like the
leap of faith, like the bridge in the original script of one of
the scripts. It wasn't like hidden, like it
wasn't already there. It was supposed to be a lever
that laid that let the bridge down the part of the lion, But
they ended up changing it. Like I think Lucas's group, the
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industrial Light and magic, theyended up ILM.
They ended up doing the the the special effects for that
portion. So which is kind of rough
because there's one, there's oneshot when it's moving and he's
walking across, he's actually walking like on the very edge,
like he's not in the middle of the bridge.
He's like right on the his left foot like is like hitting the
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very edge of the bridge. Anyway, that little piece always
bothers me when I see that. But anyway, the other scene,
which, you know, I didn't reallywant to talk about it, but I'm
going to talk about it. The only like really big scene
where I'm like it, you know how like make it make sense is the.
Meeting. Hitler No, even though that's
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that Part 2 was like watching itagain.
It's like I know he had to go there to get the get the book
back from Elsa, but like him coming face to face with Hill
there was kind of like, OK, let's I mean, it's the third
one. You're always fighting, you
know, Well, that's not the thirdtime fighting the Nazis, but,
you know, it's like one of his biggest enemies.
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But up the state was like, yeah,OK, here we go.
When Indiana's bag is caught on the tank's gun and is being
dragged along the wall, no stuntman was used.
Harrison Ford did it himself. The crew just went along with
shovels, tipping dirt and clay on him from above.
That's on the part during the fight on the tank, when Indy
falls and is hooked on the gun, it never shows how a strap
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actually became wrapped around the gun.
And also when he comes back aboard the tank, it doesn't show
how it got loose either. And that scene always bothers
me, Like how did it get around? Like because that's the one that
the gun that's like a spread outbecause Indy put the rock in it.
So like how did he even get on there?
And then how did he get it off? So anyway, that's my continuity
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issue but. He's Indiana Jones.
I don't know if I ever paid attention to that.
Yeah. Yeah, that's the problem
watching these movies 100 times,because you pick up on stuff
like the first time I watched it, I didn't care.
But when you've seen it, you've seen it 50 or 100 times, it's
like, wait a minute, how did he even get stuck like that?
I tell you, it was really nice seeing Sala again.
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Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
He's such a good character. I love the scene with him and
Marcus. Run.
What's that? Yeah.
You want to see my papers? My papers right here.
Run. You know, it's like how many
times you have to say run beforeMarcus is actually going to run.
And then, of course, him runninginto the.
Well, looks like a mark and is the back of the Nazi truck,
which was a nod to the scene with Marian and the original
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Raiders. When she gets she moves into
something that's also a a facadeas well, so.
Yeah, I love John Rhys Davies. He's he's fantastic.
Oh yeah, I was a huge fan of sliders, so yes, yeah, he's a
good on. The iconic character, yeah.
Yes I do. I think, and I could be wrong,
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but I, I feel like the beginningwith the young Indiana Jones was
a lead up to the, the three trials that he had on the train.
He would face later because you know, he had the the thing with
the snakes, the one with the therhino and then he did the one
with the lion before. Yeah, Yeah, I didn't even think
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about that. That's true.
So like he did three things on the train kind of foreshadowing
he would do the three things later in the at the, I mean at
the Petra. Being that this is still the the
era where most of the movie is done practical.
Yes. Most of the special effects for
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the most part hold up. There's some there a little, but
that a lot of the, the circus train special effects kind of
didn't hold up as well. But I, I mean, I can easily see
why that part of the movie was so well done, even though it
doesn't really hold up that they're like, let's do a whole
TV series of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, even though we had to go with Sean Patrick Flannery over
River Phoenix. But yeah, I don't.
I mean, you know, like we said earlier, like, you know, I don't
know how well that series holds up, but I definitely get like
watching that going. We need to do more of that.
Yeah, do you remember being? His versions better the ones
with the little kids. The little kids.
The little kid one, there was like 2 of them, one with Patrick
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Flannery, whatever his name is and then there was one with like
a. Little kid, a little kid.
Yeah, I do remember that. Sorry, Jerry, go ahead.
No, I was just going to say, I remember when the the show was
announced and I was a little bummed that it wasn't actually
like Harrison Ford's Indiana Jones.
I was like, oh, he's a kid. Come on.
Like, I just wanted more content.
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Of course. Yeah, of course, of course.
All right, let's jump into some other scene and trivia.
I have a lot. I'm probably going to put more
in the show notes. In the beginning of the movie,
when Professor Henry, Indiana Jones Junior is teaching his
class, he says if it's truth you're interested in, Doctor
Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall.
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This is a reference to Ford's own Professor Ford was a
philosophy major. Doctor William E Tyree at Ripon
College in Ripon is a Ripon. Ripon, WI.
Help me out. Nicholas Ripon.
Ripon. It is Ripon, Yeah, OK, no
disrespect to Riponites in Wisconsin Republic, that's what
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they're called. I don't, I don't know.
It's all they have, a Culver's. Guaranteed they got a Culver's
but. Yeah.
So this movie has the most chasesequences of Indiana Jones movie
with six different types of chases, foot chase, train, boat,
motorcycle, plane and car. This is also the only movie in
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the franchise to have a boat chase or a train chase.
That is until the 5th installment, the Dial of
Destiny. I did like this.
The temple at the end of the movie does exist, but it's not
in Alexandretta, it is in Petra,Jordan.
However, there is no inside to it.
The doorway scene on screen is huge.
Eight or nine people shoulder toshoulder can easily walk through
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it, but it only leads to a huge empty square room carved from
the top down over 2 stories high.
Similarly, they wouldn't be ableto get lost down the valley as
it stretches for about a mile orso, and there's no other no
other route but out. Steven Spielberg and his crew
were guests at the Royal Palace of King Hussein and Queen Noor
during their shoot in Jordan, and Spielberg was even brought
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to the temple by Queen Noor and her children.
Wow, I found this to be very interesting.
There is actually a reason for having two separate blades for
decapitating grail seekers at the climax.
The first one would behead someone who didn't kneel, while
the second would behead someone who pressed his head to the
ground. A Christian would kneel while a
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Muslim would press his head to the ground.
This ensured only a Christian could make it to the Grail and
not a Muslim. I was like, that was
interesting. I I never would have thought of
that. Yeah.
I always wondered what that second was for.
Yeah. And that's how I read it.
I was like, wow, I never would have thought that.
But like, they thought that out.And I was like, wow, yeah,
that's kind of actually impressive.
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Like, yeah, they, they put some real time and effort into their,
you know. Research.
But but but then he did like a flip over it too.
Right when? They Yeah, yeah.
It's like Harrison, you didn't have to do that, right?
And somebody, I mean, am I the only one?
The blades were cartoons, right?Like they did look like cartoon
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blades. Like something was off with
them. Yeah, for.
Sure. It's like whenever when I watch
it now, I'm like, how did this become Roger Rabbit all of a
sudden anyway? That's why the coyote they're
going to block the Acme Blade Company.
Talking, speaking about practical effects.
The shot of Donovan's death was created over three months by
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morphing together 3 puppets of Donovan in separate stages of
decay, a technique that ILM mastered on Willow in 1988.
A fourth puppet was used for thedecaying clothes because the
puppets torso mechanics had beenexposed.
Complications arose when Alice and Duty's double had not been
filmed for the scenes latter 2 elements, so the background and
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hair from the first shot had to be used throughout, with the
other faces mapped over it. Donovan's skeleton was hung on
wires like a marionette. It required several takes to
film it crashing against the wall because not all the pieces
released upon impact. So that like what, 45 seconds?
See, maybe, maybe a minute, minute and a half scene took
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three months to put together. And I do like this because I
always thought this was a cool thing.
Baking soda was applied to Sean Connery to create Henry's bullet
wound. Vinegar was applied to create
the foaming effect as the water from the grail washes over it.
I always thought that was a cooleffect for the little bubbles
and stuff. So that's baking soda and
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vinegar. So next time you want to freak
out your parents or, you know, freak out maybe, yeah.
Or freak out, you know, you're have some friends come over
Halloween. I've been shot.
Pour some water on me and it's vinegar and watch it go anyway.
And this will be my last little trivia thing.
I just thought this was cool. Cool way to to bring.
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I didn't, I did not realize thisuntil I read this.
Indiana's father is sketching inhis grail diary and asks, may he
who eliminated this illuminate me?
At the end of the movie, Indianaasks him, what did you find?
Dad? And his father replies,
Illumination. And I'd never put those two
lines together from the beginning and the end.
So I just thought that was a cool, very cool line to to end,
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end ONS. All right, box office.
The film was released in United States and Canada on Wednesday,
May 24th, 1989, earning a record$37 million over the four day
Memorial Day weekend and of course owning the number one
spot at the box office. There were no other new releases
that weekend. And why would you?
If you're going up against Indiana Jones, that's just like
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suicide, like, you know, suicidethere, you know, but it, it came
out before, like the other big ones for that year had not come
out yet. So Batman hadn't come out yet.
Lethal Weapon 2 hadn't come out,Ghostbusters 2 hadn't come out.
So I think Rain Man was already out.
And I can't remember who else was like I looked at the top ten
list that wasn't like really bigmovies like those are like the
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the, the spring movies that weretrying to get out before the
blockbuster season of the summer.
So but yeah, that was the official first blockbuster of 89
and became the highest grossing movie.
I think Batman won in the US butfor International Indiana Jones
Last Crusade beat out Batman so.Which makes sense.
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It's a more international movie.There's, you know, exotic
locales. I mean, all over.
You go to Venice, there's Germanor Austria, you know, all sorts
of other. So it makes sense.
All right, it's time to take a look at how well this 80s flick
holds up today. The all new rewatch ability and
nostalgia meters, our way of measuring how enjoyable movie is
for repeat viewings along with the waves nostalgia brings.
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Here's how it works. It's a one to 10 scale.
Any number between 1:00 and 10:00 will do.
Here a few few parameters to help you decide.
At the bottom of the meter is a #1, which means I saw it once
and that was all I could handle.Right in the middle of the five
is a good rewatch every couple of years.
And the highly coveted top of the meter at 10 is highly
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rewatchable and full of nostalgia.
So let's start with Jerry. Where does Indiana Jones and
Last Crusade rank for you on theNostalgia Watchability meter?
Definitely huge. So I can't quite decide between
A9 or A10. I love this movie.
I I watch it, like I said, at least once every one year or or
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two years for sure, but sometimes once a year.
So it's somewhere around 9 or 10.
I'll say 9 1/2. Just just, yeah, just 'cause I
can't decide. So I'll split the difference.
Yeah, I like that. What about you, Nicholas?
I'm going to give it a good solid 8.
OK. I mean, it's really good.
I really enjoy it. I mean, I enjoy Indiana Jones as
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a whole, but like, I don't, you know, it's just, I've got so
many other movies I watch and then I want to watch new stuff
like, you know, I mean it. So I will watch it, you know,
more often than other movies. So you know, a good solid 8.
OK, I like it. 8's a good one. All right, Chad, what you got?
I'm right there with Jerry. It's a 9.5 for me.
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I will watch this. I'll watch this anytime.
If you put it on. I'm going to sit there and watch
this movie. I love this movie.
I've loved it since I first watched it.
I really wish my parents would have let me go on see in the
theater. That's so wild.
Yeah, well, there were there were sticklers for that for some
reason, like like rated PG13 movies like had just started
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too. Right, right.
That wasn't like a thing like a couple of years before that.
Yeah, but I will say like when it first started, they it got
real, they didn't really know where the parameters were.
So there was a lot of that's thePG13 that was like borderline,
you know, so I could, I could see them being a little
skeptical. But, and you're right, Temple
will do. Yeah, it was scarier.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, well, and Temple of Doom was one of the movies that
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created. The exactly.
Yep, Yep. So yeah, definitely, definitely
not an 1/2 for me. Yeah, I was all ready to get.
I was ready to give it a 10. I mean, this was going to be
like the first one that I've given a tint on the podcast.
And then I heard myself say, youknow, it's been a couple of
years since I watched this all the way through.
So it's not one that I watch allthe time.
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So I'm going to give it a very strong nine, probably close to
like a 9 1/2 like you guys have said.
But as I said before, it's my favorite of the Indiana Jones
movies. I like Raiders.
Raiders gets a is a little slow to get started.
It takes a little while. I mean, as a great beginning,
but it just it kind of lulls a little bit in the middle.
But re watching this one, it gives me all of those summer
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blockbuster is like a true popcorn flick, like something
you just go to the you know, youjust want to escape and have a
good time. And I will say this is the first
movie that I watched. We my wife got me a video
projector and screen like for outdoors for Christmas and I had
I had it hanging up on our back balcony for a little while, but
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it's summer and the bugs and mosquitoes, even with like the
little anti bug things around, Ijust couldn't, I was never able
to finish a movie out there. So we have kind of an unfinished
basement downstairs. So I decided to like I'm, I
think it'll fit. So I put the screen on the wall.
I set up everything. We had an old couch.
So I'm kind of my man cave is becoming a reality and this was
the first movie I watched from beginning to end on my big
(51:34):
screen. And it was kind of goes like,
hey, this is almost like going to the theater.
This is kind of nice. So so it was good to it was fun
to watch like on a really big screen.
Again, It's that it's that type of movie that you want to see on
like the biggest screen possiblefor sure.
So, so yeah, so yeah, I'll go with 9 if you twist some arm at
9 1/2, but I think I think everybody's pretty, pretty
(51:57):
accurate there. So.
I will say of all the Indiana Jones movies, this is the one I
have seen the most often. Yes, same.
I would agree with that same. Yeah.
Like, you're right, Raiders is great, but this one has just
really gets into the characters more, especially it's because of
that relationship between Indy and his dad.
And so I think for me that because of that, like you said,
(52:20):
it kind of just brings it up, just just edges it out slightly.
Yeah. But I do like how all the films
kind of start off with like thiscold open, like from a previous
adventure, just. Yeah, it's really interesting.
It's like I like that it's consistent and it's just, it
makes you like realize indie gets around.
(52:41):
This guy is just he. He does a lot of stuff.
Yeah. I mean, it was like they were,
they were pulling from like the old serials at the time, like
making it like those. And you see that especially I
like there are a couple of scenes and this one at the
beginning with them pulling where they were pulling the
river Phoenix up out of the the last, the lion, the lion one or
(53:02):
whatever. And like how that, yeah, how
they pull them out really fast. Like that reminds me like an old
kind of a like serial kind of old, old movie kind of the way
it was filmed. So.
But yeah. All right.
Well, thanks, Jerry D Thanks, Nicholas.
Thanks, Chad, for joining this episode.
Jerry D Totally rad. Christmas.
It's Christmas in July. What do you guys got going on?
(53:25):
So for Christmas in July, we talked Let's see Better Homes
and Gardens. We talked Lupin the third Part 2
Beverly Hills teens. I don't know if you remember
that cartoon there was a let's see one that's coming up is Mt
VS Headbangers Ball. Like they had a Christmas all
right. A.
Headbangers Christmas from 1988 and Mr. Dress Up, which was like
(53:48):
a Canadian Mr. Rogers and so fewthings.
Yeah, pretty excited. Got some fun stuff coming up.
Very cool, Nicholas, what's going over it?
I'm going going on over at pop culture roulette for July.
I'll just. I just doing.
It out week by week. Figuring out week by week,
anything and everything we want to talk about, we talk about it
(54:08):
and just have lot of brackets games.
We just try to we try to amuse ourselves and hopefully we're
amusing everybody along with it.So if you want to find us pop
culture roulette on Facebook or Instagram or any anywhere you
can get your podcast. Definitely check out Totally
Right Christmas and Pop Culture roulette for sure.
And then Chad Still, the afternoon DJ at the radio
(54:31):
station. I sure am Yep still there and if
if any of your your viewers listeners are in the McDonough
area, I do want to give a shout out.
We mentioned Culver's. My wife and I host a game group
that meets the 2nd and 4th Monday of so tomorrow from our
recording, not when it's released, but second and 4th
(54:54):
Monday of the month. We have a game night.
It's called game night bites andgo to game night bites to check
it out. My wife did a great job with the
website and we're excited. We're trying to expand it and
it's in cold. It's the culverts in McDonough,
GA. So if anybody using the area,
come on by, play a game, have some food and yeah, that's one
(55:14):
of the acts shout out. So that's good.
I love Culver's. Give me the give me the cheese
dipping sauce from my fries and I'm a happy man.
It's tomorrow. Well, again, I know this will
come out later, but from this recording it is tomorrow, so all
right. Cool.
Yeah. Well, thank you guys so much for
joining. Always a pleasure to have all
three of you guys on the show. If you enjoyed this episode or
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