August 1, 2025 • 46 mins
For years, the absence of Michael Myers, Laurie Strode, and Dr. Loomis caused many fans of the Halloween movies to feel confused, reject the film, or even become angry. However, as time has passed, those feelings have softened, and the film has been reevaluated on its own merits. While John Carpenter’s original masterpiece is widely regarded as the peak of the franchise, this 80s sequel is, for some, the film that best captures the spirit of the Halloween season. By blending elements of the ancient past with modern American celebrations and cultural rituals, it creates a tapestry that depicts the “Spooky Season” in a way few horror movies have achieved. The clock is ticking. Be in front of your TV for the Horrorthon, followed by the Big Giveaway. Don't miss it. And don't forget to wear your masks. The clock is ticking. It's almost time…for Tim Williams and guest co-host, Nicholas Pepin, to discuss “Halloween III: The Season of the Witch” from 1982 on this episode of the 80s Flick Flashback Podcast!
Here are some additional behind-the-scenes trivia we were unable to cover in this episode:
- Using the original molds, the skull, witch, and jack-o'-lantern masks seen in the movie were mass-produced by Don Post Studios and sold in retail stores to promote the movie's release.
- In a retrospective video about the film, Tommy Lee Wallace said that one reason he was excited to be asked to direct was because of his own liberal, anti-corporate political beliefs. He viewed the Silver Shamrock company as a heightened horror film version of the lies and harmful evil that big businesses have (and continue to) get away with constantly in the real world.
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Wikipedia, IMDB, BoxOfficeMojo
https://bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3736530/must-be-the-season-of-the-witch-halloween-iii-turns-40/
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(00:00):
For years, the absence of Michael Myers, Lori Strode, and
Dr. Loomis caused many fans of the Halloween movies to feel
confused, reject the film, or even become angry.
However, as time has passed, those emotions have eased and
the film has been re evaluated on its own merits.
While John Carpenter's original masterpiece is widely seen as
(00:21):
the peak of the franchise, this 80s sequel is for some, not us,
but for some, the film that bestcaptures the spirit of the
Halloween season. By blending elements of the
ancient past with the modern American celebrations and
cultural rituals, it creates A tapestry that depicts the spooky
season in a way few horror movies have even achieved.
(00:44):
The clock is ticking. Being in front of your TV sets
for the horrathon, followed by the big giveaway.
Don't miss it. And don't forget to wear your
masks. The clock is ticking, It's
almost time for Nicholas Pepin and I discuss Halloween 3, the
season of the Witch from 1982, on this episode of the 80s Flick
Flashback Podcast. Welcome in everybody.
(01:45):
Thanks so much for joining us for the 80s Flick Flashback
podcast. I am your host Tim Williams.
I am so happy, happy, happy to have a returning guest coast for
tonight's very strange investigation to unravel the
secrets of the Silver Shamrock Novelties company.
I needed a partner with a mind sharp enough to resist the
hypnotic final commercial. He's no automaton spouting the
(02:09):
same old opinions. He's the real deal, a man who
can spot a conspiracy a mile away.
And he's here to help me figure out if this movie was a
brilliant, deadly trick or a misunderstood holiday treat.
Please welcome back to the show from Pop Culture Roulette with
his mask Ready, Nicholas Pepin. How you doing Nicholas?
You know, I was trying to come up with something quickly, but I
(02:29):
got nothing. I'm just going to go with.
It's somewhere in between. Yeah, yeah, I will say so
little, little Fact Check here if you, if you're not a long
standing listener of the podcast, Ron West and I covered
Halloween 2 very early in the podcast, probably like season
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one or two. And we had planned to do season,
you know, part three, season of the witch the next year and he
was not a fan. This is before Nicholas came on.
I think he was not a fan of it. And I watched and it was like, I
don't even want to talk about this movie.
I'm just going to skip it all together.
And I was like, I'll never do itfor the podcast.
(03:13):
But here we are three or four years later and the summer of
sequels, we're doing part threesof sequels released in the 80s.
We've done every other Halloweenmovie except for this one.
So I was like, I'm just going toI'm going to put on the
calendar. I'm going to suck it up and I'm
going to do it. I will say watching it this
time, it wasn't as terrible as Iremembered it Still not great,
(03:38):
but it wasn't as terrible. There's still a lot of things
that don't make any sense and are like which we'll talk about.
But it yeah, I think going in knowing that that Michael Myers
isn't going to be in it helps tokind of like, you know, ease
some of the the disappointment in it.
(04:01):
But it's still not a great movie.
I mean, I'm going to jump throughout a little bit here.
Go for it. Had this movie had any other
title? Literally any other title.
Yeah, yeah. It's not the I mean, it's not
the worst movie. Like it's not it's but it it's
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putting the word Halloween in front of it after having done
two really successful Michael Meyer movies.
Right, right. And then a really confusing
subtitle. Yeah, that really doesn't make
any sense. It I think you just, you kind of
shot yourself in the foot and then and you've already covered
the Halloween movies. So we know where four goes back
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to, right? Right.
Yeah. And I think, you know, and I
think there's a reason why the anthology idea that John
Carpenter had died immediately. Yeah, yeah.
Seemed like a good idea at the time.
So all right, well before we getinto storage and pre production,
let's let's let's stick with thethe format.
So Nicholas, when did you see Halloween 3 for the very first
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time? A couple of years ago.
Yeah. I think we, I don't know.
I know we I think I've talked about a horror, a couple horror
movies. Yeah.
Because I've done at least one Friday the 13th of year.
Yeah. Yeah.
So growing up, I wasn't really allowed to watch horror movies.
Right, right. So a lot of this stuff is new to
me just because of that. And I, I had done Halloween on
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my own show through horror through the decades.
And so I was like, oh, and then you, you were talking about
Halloween and some, one of the other podcasts I listened to was
talking about Halloween. So I was like, I'm going to
watch 3. Knowing what it was ahead of
time helped. Right, right.
But you know, like, I'm glad I didn't watch it without prior
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knowledge because I think that I'd gone into it going this is a
Halloween movie. I would have been really angry.
Like everybody that went to the theater in 1982.
Yeah, exactly. So I you know it, Yeah.
So a couple years ago I watched it for the first time and then
watched it again on Saturday night through definite legal
(06:13):
streaming ways. Sure, same here.
It was on a website that set free.
Yes, it was. And archive.
So yes, anyway, moving on. Yeah, I I had not seen it until,
like I said, a couple years ago when I watched it to originally
do it for the podcast. I had never seen it before then.
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I don't think I'd even seen bitsand pieces.
It's not when they're going to run, you know, on AMC every
hollow like I think they run every other Halloween movie on
AMC every Halloween, but not this one.
So this isn't one that I remember like being on TV as a
kid or any of that. Like I I remember nothing of
this movie from my childhood. All I knew was like the cover,
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the the poster on the cover and the masks.
But so I guess we're kind of both the same with this.
How long has it been since you watched it before you watch it
for the podcast? That was my last time for me,
you know. I think I've seen it two times
total now. Yeah, same.
So yeah, we're right there in the same boat.
So yeah, I can see where this one's going to land on the
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rewatch ability nostalgia meter already.
But we'll we'll we'll we'll savethat for the end like we
normally do. So story origin of pre
production. I, you know, made this much
shorter than instead of talking about way too much stuff.
So nice brief history. The behind the scenes story of
the first anthology attempt is just as wild as the film itself.
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Carpenter and Hill initially tapped Joe Dante, fresh off the
Howling, to direct. Dante, in turn, suggested
legendary British sci-fi writer Nigel Neil for the script.
In a fun twist, Neil accepted the job despite openly disliking
the first two Halloween films. However, the creative team was a
revolving door. Dante soon departed to film a
(08:05):
segment for Twilight Zone The Movie, and Tommy Lee Wallace
stepped in to direct. Wallace was an old hand, having
served as production designer onthe original Halloween, and it
famously turned down directing Halloween too, because he hated
the script. Didn't learn his lesson that
time, huh? Apparently not.
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The writing process was even more chaotic.
Neil delivered a script focused on psychological shocks, but the
studio producers wanted more gore.
After clashing with Carpenter and Wallace over revisions, Neil
walked, demanding his name be removed entirely from the
project. Carpenter and Wallace both
performed rewrites, leading Wallace to later joke that his
(08:46):
sole writing credit on the film is quote just about the most
inaccurate credit you could everconceive of.
End quotes. Yeah.
I didn't notice that. Like, you know, his name was,
you know, written and directed by Tommy Lee Wallace.
But from what I understand, it'svery much most, like 75 to 80%
(09:07):
of the movie is what Neil wrote.And he just added a few things
to it, but it's basically the same story.
OK, yeah, I mean it, it's it's amess.
So. You can blame them all, you can
blame one. It doesn't matter.
I think you know, they all get they all get equal credit for
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you know what it became. So anything else that you had
read about pre production that you feel is worth?
Other other than the fact that Imean, John Carpenter, and I'm
sure you covered this on the second one, but it does bear
repeating, is that he originallyeven from the get go, wanted to
do Halloween as an anthology series, but the studio kind of
(09:48):
forced him into doing Michael Myers to the second one, Part 2.
But he had always conceived thisto be just a series of scary
movies under one title, which sounds like a really cool idea.
But I guess when you do so well,when the first one, people kind
of want to see more of that. Right, right.
(10:10):
Yeah, exactly. Because, you know, as we've
talked about before, Michael Myers kind of started that trend
of the slasher. You know, we wouldn't have Jason
Voorhees if we didn't have Michael Myers, wouldn't have
Freddy Krueger. If we didn't have Michael, we
wouldn't have Chucky. Like all of these, you know, the
slasher icons that we now know would not have, you know, Friday
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the 13th was basically, you know, Sean S Cunningham wanting
to get in on the money that Halloween made.
So he basically made the same type, like use the same template
of a movie of a crazy killer psycho killer killing teenagers
and just put it at a camp instead of a neighborhood.
(10:52):
So yeah. But this was not that at all.
This is this does feel like watching it again.
It's like it is not a slasher movie at all.
It's completely outside of what you expect.
It's more, you know, like that sci-fi.
And what what struck me is how gore less it really was.
(11:14):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you could almost show
this movie unedited on TV. Well, for sure there's like.
It gets a little. Creepy, but it's not there's.
Like one or two scenes you mighthave to cut or do a little fancy
editing. Yeah, but for the most part,
like you could get away with showing this one on TV unedited.
Yeah, yeah, wait, I'm I'm sure yeah 'cause there's really,
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there's really not, you know, the, the Android spoiler alert
there and Androids and you know,can you say Android?
I've done this before Lucas copyright or trademarked
androids that makes money anytime you use the term.
But if you didn't know that I'd anyway that's I won't, I won't I
won't go to. That I think they only refer to
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them as automatons in this movie.
There you go. That was the that was the term I
was looking for. But yeah, so they don't even
bleed. It's like concentrated orange
juice is actually what they use for like the the orange goo that
comes out of their mouths and their bodies.
But yeah, it's and, and even like that first kill at the
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beginning when the guys running with the mask and the robot
person like crushes his like nasal cavity.
Like I like, I don't even reallyknow what he did.
He just like, pushed his hand onthe guy's face until it kind of.
Like crushed away. At least the copy I watched,
they kind of cut. Like they kind of cut up and you
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hear the noise, yes, you don't really see it.
No, no, so and it's and it's funny because even some of those
scenes where like it, it went for the goal, like the quote UN
quote gore felt out of place, like it didn't fit the rest of
the movie. You know what I'm saying?
Like I could understand, like I never understood why.
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And we're, we're way ahead, but we're just, we're just, we're,
we're there now. So why like the kid that they
tested? What like first of all, why are
you waiting to test this like 2 days before Halloween when
you've done this like four months earlier?
But anyway, I digress. But like the family gets in the
little room and they put the mask on the kid and then it's
like, you know, all these crickets and like, you know,
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insects that are coming out of him and then the snake comes out
and snake bites the mom. It's like it just there's no
connection of why that's happening at all.
I mean, I though supposed to come from Stonehenge, but even
that is fuzzy as to how that allworks.
If the logic of the ultimate like end goal of the Callahan or
(13:47):
Carnahan whatever his name was. Yeah.
Made didn't really make a lot ofsense.
Yeah, we'll get into it. All right, let's jump in the
casting once again. This one, unlike all the other
ones we've done for the summer sequels, no one returns in this
movie from a previous, the previous Part 1 or Part 2.
(14:08):
So all new cast, but there's really only like 3 main
characters that I think are really worth mentioning.
But I'll, we'll, we'll cover them kind of quickly here.
The cast of Halloween 3 mostly consisted of character actors
whose previous credits included cameo appearances on various TV
series. The exceptions were Tom Atkins
and veteran actor Dan O'harley. Atkins, who was cast as surgeon
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Dan Chalice, had appeared in several John Carpenter films
before Halloween Three. He played Nick Castle in The Fog
in 1980 and Remy and escaped from New York in 1981, which
Nicholas Not covered this year. Yeah, earlier this year, yeah.
Atkins guest star on TV shows like The Rockford Files and Lou
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Grant. He told Fangoria that he enjoyed
playing the hero as a seasoned actor.
I'm sorry, as a seasoned horror actor, he said.
I wouldn't mind making a whole career out of being in just
horror movies. After Halloween 3, Atkins
continues supporting roles in numerous films and TV series.
So just a little bit about Tom Atkins.
(15:14):
Yes, he is in the fog. I've seen that when he of
course, he was in Escape from New York, probably his most
famous role. He was also a Night of the
Creeps, which I watched last year.
Another 80s kind of more of AB movie horror movie, but the most
iconic role is he is Hunsacker in the first lethal Weapon that
gets shot with the sniper while he's holding the eggnog, like
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the famous bullet for the eggnogscene.
So that's that's, that's him. I feel like you and I covered a
lot of Tom Atkins 80s movies. Yeah, right, because we did
Lethal Weapon and Escape from New York.
This is at least the third one, if not 4.
Who knew Tom Adkins would have such a, you know, such a vast
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career of the 80s that we, you know, he was a definitely a that
guy. Like I would not have known his,
I mean, maybe two weeks from now, if you say what's that
guy's name? I'm may be able to pull it out
of thin air, but I'm not sure. So he's not, he's not a, you
know. Yeah, you're right.
I mean, top tier actor. No, he's he's a cult.
I mean, he's a he's a cult actor.
(16:20):
I mean, he for sure. I mean you, you already named a
lot of the movies that he's in. I've covered a couple of them
with you or over on whore through the decades over with
the, you know, on the PCR stuff.So.
So then we've got Stacey Nelkin as Ellie Grimberg, a young woman
whose father Harry is murdered by Silver Shamrock.
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She got the role after a makeup artist working on the film told
her about the auditions. Nelkin considered it an honor to
play Jamie Lee Curtis's successor, According to Rodger
Ebert, Nelkin's performance was the one saving grace of the
film, he explained. Quote, she has one of those rich
voices that makes you wish she had more to say and in a better
role. Too bad she plays her last scene
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without a head. End Quote, which I love.
Before her role, she was one of the main characters in the 1980
Mad magazine movie Up the Academy, which also starred
Ralph Macchio. After Halloween 3, she continued
working as a character actress on television.
So she wasn't terrible. I don't think she was a saving
grace of the movie at all. Like she's OK, but yeah.
(17:28):
I think saving grace is a strongword for this movie so.
Yeah, I think the best of best of the ones we're going to cover
is veteran Irish actor Dan O'harelly, who is cast as
Colonel Connell Cochran. I think it's Connell Connell
Cochran, the owner of Silver Shamrock and the witch, quote UN
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quote, which is more really moreof a warlock from the film's
title. He was a 3000 year old demon in
Neil's original script. He's played close.
He had played close to 150 rolesbefore this one and was
nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor, First
Performance in Robinson Crusoe in 1954.
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He appeared in another 20 films and television series before his
death in 2005. In this move, of course, he
plays the corrupt corporate executive, something that he
would be well known portraying in the first two RoboCop movies
as the old man. So I thought that was
interesting. And then of course, the name
stood out to me because he's also in The Last Starfighter.
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He plays Grigg. Of course, you don't know that's
him because he's wearing an alien mask.
But I knew the voice immediately.
That the same actor. So anybody you want to, anything
you want to add or anybody you want to you want to add,
Nicholas, let's get through thisas fast as possible.
No, I I mean legit like there's,there's so few people in this
movie. Yeah.
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I mean, everybody else is there for like maybe 5 minutes and
that's it. Like, there's not a whole lot
of. Characters The woman who played
his ex-wife was in one of the other or two of the other
Halloween movies as a different character.
Yeah, I don't. Remember her name and like if I
hadn't read the credits I wouldn't have even known that
she didn't. Unfortunately just, and not
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through any fault of her own, just the lack of script, like
she didn't really stand out so. Yeah, the only other, the only
other person I thought about mentioning as like a, you know,
a part of the cast is the other doctor that was doing like the
lab work for and that was going through all the robot parts.
But, you know, I don't. She didn't populate much on her
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IMDb page, so wasn't worth mentioning.
But she was actually, she was actually decent.
Of course, she didn't have to bein much of the movie, so, but I
kind of liked her character. Yeah.
So you mentioned Nancy Kaiz is the one that played Chalice's
ex-wife Linda. She appeared in the first two
Halloween films as Lori Strode'spromiscuous friend Annie
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Brackett. Stunt performer Dick Warlock,
who played Michael Myers in Halloween 2, played the lead
Android assassin. Jamie Lee Curtis provided
uncredited voice work as the Santa Mira curfew announcer and
the telephone operator, which I did recognize your voice as
telephone operator. And then director Tommy Lee
Wallace provided uncredited voice work as the Silver
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Shamrock commercial announcer. So he's the one that did all the
commercials and that's what I got for cast.
All right. Yeah.
Moving right along. Moving right along.
All right, let's talk iconic scenes.
If someone says Halloween, threeseason of the witch, what's the
first thing that pops in your head, Nicholas?
The only thing that would come to my mind is that commercial
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and they air it like I think they said 14 times.
Yeah, Yeah, I think so. That that that 1-6 more days to
Halloween. Halloween, yeah, that that's
your iconic. Because I mean, I'm honestly
shocked now that this movie has kind of come back around and hit
cold status that they don't makemore of a deal of the I know
(21:02):
that somebody sold some versionsof the mask not too long.
Ago. Yeah, yeah.
But I mean, like, they're just, you know, like, I mean, those
masks are probably 90% of the budget, but.
Right, right. Yes.
So for the song they used the tune London Bridge is Falling
Down because it was in public domain, so they had to pay any
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money for it. But it's also catchy.
Like I, I didn't realize that was the same tune until I read
that. The theme, as you said, was
played a total of 14 times the movie 4 times at the gas
station, once at Linda Chalice'shome, once at the hospital, once
in the bar, twice on the television, screams in the shop
window, twice on the radio, oncein the motel office, once in
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test room A, and once in the final scene.
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's also the, I
mean, like you said, I mean, if you have to come up with
something from this movie, that's what you think of is that
commercial with that song. Yeah, I think that.
And then I think the masks are probably what I remember, like
the pumpkin mask, probably because that's the one they use.
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You know, the boy kind of dies with the pumpkin mask on.
But I will say, like, I think for me now, I think the iconic
scene for me would be the very the ending with him, like, you
know, screaming stop, stop, you know, stop it.
And then and I'll say I wouldn'tsay it up front.
I like the ending. I like the ambig, ambiguousness.
Is that the right word? And.
(22:31):
It's close enough. Yeah, big words, big words, hard
to say, ambiguous ending that you don't know if you really
stopped it or not, which I actually thought it was.
You know, the first time I was kind of like, that's kind of
weird. But watching it the second time,
I think I appreciated it more. I like that better than, you
know, it was different. You know, there was no last jump
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scare like we would expect from the things, you know, the what's
his name? Cochran didn't come back, you
know, didn't pop up at the gas station, you know, surviving his
electrocution or whatever that was that happened in the in the
factory or whatever. So but I will say after he
shouts stop it on the phone at the movie's very ending, the
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screen cuts to black and ending credits.
Originally, the ending theme wasn't going to be played during
the credits. Instead, it was supposed to be
the screams of millions of children being murdered.
Director Tommy Lee Wallace decided not to add this so the
ending would be ambiguous and ata possibility they were saved.
When lead actor Tom Atkins saw the new ending, he was much more
satisfied with the movie in spite of critical reception and
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likes to imagine his characters struggles weren't in vain.
Or at least his own children were.
Or at least his own children survived.
Yeah, I mean, I I would say thatthe ambiguous ending is better
than the screams of millions of showing.
Yeah, yeah, that definitely would have been a happy ending.
(24:02):
Not that we get really happy endings in these type of horror
movies, but yeah. Well, So what about favorite
scenes? I I've got the the homeless guy.
OK. Yeah, when he gets his head
ripped off, that's kind of a cool special effect.
Yeah, yeah. It's 1 and again, like it's it's
(24:25):
oddly kind of without gore considering his head is getting
ripped off. And then that fight scene at the
end after she becomes an automaton.
Is so. Over the top, but funny.
Yeah, it's and I did see that there was some argument online
(24:46):
and I don't know if you have this in your notes, but like
people are like, well, maybe sheshe was in automaton the whole
time. No, she wasn't.
Stop it. No, like, you can tell, like the
way she was portraying herself after he saved her, like, right.
Yeah, You kind of fit. Like, the second time I'm
watching, I'm like, well, how? Yeah, of course.
How did I not know that she was a robot, you know?
(25:06):
But like, you know, she she clearly wasn't a robot until the
they kidnapped her and turned her into one.
Right, right. Yeah.
Or at least made made a copy of her.
Maybe she's still actually locked up in the factory
somewhere. Yeah, exactly, Exactly.
So, yeah, I did like that fight scene.
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Like I said, it was more comical.
Like I was like, she's not goingto pop up again.
Like I'm, you know, he was, he battled the arm and then like a
second or two later, then here she comes without the arm.
And then, you know, it's just like, yeah, but that was.
Kind of. It kind of had an evil dead feel
or an evil. Dead.
Feel. Yes, it was.
It was comical, it was funny, itwas well done.
(25:50):
It kind of gave a needed relief break to an otherwise kind of
movie. Yeah, yeah, I, I don't really
have any favorite scenes, but going back to the drunk, I will
like interesting scenes or things that make you hmm is when
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he's like, can I have a sip? I don't have any diseases or
anything. And he just gives the guy the
bottle and then like 5 seconds later takes a sip from the
bottle after the drunk guy drankfrom it.
I was like, he didn't have. Any diseases?
Trust him. You know you're in this, you're
in this unknown town where people looking looking at you
(26:35):
weird when you come in and drivein.
But this homeless guy, Sure man.Have a swig of my of my juice.
If you can't trust a random homeless stranger in a nun in a
backwards town, who can you trust?
Exactly, exactly. PSA kids, if he says he doesn't
have diseases, he's probably right.
Oh, man. All right, so I got to talk
(26:56):
about these while they're on. While I'm thinking about it,
let's talk about these like the weirdest, the weirdest parts of
the movie. So maybe not favorite scenes,
just go to like weird scenes. OK, I've got one of those.
Yeah, as Laramie calls it, his weird science.
Like where does the logic not add up?
So go ahead and see if I've got.I've got 2.
I'll see what? What?
(27:16):
You got this one's not so much weird sciences, it's just a
super questionable scene. Oh yeah, there's plenty of those
we have so. So they've just slept together
for the first time, right. And I don't, I can't remember if
they're about to do it again or or if there's if it's a he goes,
wait, how old are you? Yeah, you should have a little.
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Little before too late for that buddy, Right, right, right.
That whole relationship is we'relike, that's one of mine is
like, you've just met this girl,you're driving to this town and
like there's no chemistry between them at all.
And all of a sudden it's like, I'll stay here.
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Whatever. And he kisses her and then you
have this, you know, love scene or whatever.
And it's like, it's just creepy,man.
I mean, he's clearly, you know, way older than she is.
And the bad thing is in the fog,it's almost the exact same
thing. Like he's an older guy and, you
know, said, quote, UN quote, seduced by the young woman.
Whatever. But yeah.
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So I will say the creepiest I will doesn't go to record the
creepiest part of this movie wasnot the insects and the snake
coming out of the the kids pumpkinhead.
It wasn't, you know, androids orwhatever, robot people pulling
off heads of, you know, homelessguys or whatever.
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The weirdest, the creepiest partof this movie is an ER that has
no patients that the doctor takes a nap.
Like I have never in the historyof my life ever seen an ER with
nobody in it. Or, or where the doctor feels
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the need to drive to three townsover, or wherever it is.
Right. Right to research the death of
his patient. Right, right.
Not. Just go.
Hey Mr. Detective, you should look into this.
Yeah, and why? Why is the guy still holding the
mask? I mean, he's been holding that
mask for like how long? Like it's just they've already
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brought him in, they've examinedhim, he's in the room and he's
still holding the mask for them.And then, oh, and then I love
that the Android guy just comes in, kills him and then just
walks out. Like don't nobody's going to see
my face. No one's going to recognize me.
But I guess as a robot, he can just change faces or train
change heads. Maybe so.
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And then he blows himself up. For whatever reason, they never
bothered to explain. Yeah, I love the pouring of
gasoline on him. I was like, OK, this is not
going to end good. Yeah.
There's a lot of weird that scenes that don't make sense.
Those those are the ones that stood out to me the most.
Like when he, you know, he's like, well, it's pretty quiet
and I'm going to take a nap and like, this is the ER, right.
Like, I know it's a small town, I guess, but still.
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Yeah. Just just weird.
There was something else I was going to mention.
Can't remember? All right, well then, you ready
to jump into some trivia and scenes in trivia?
Sure, All right. Although the third film departed
from the plot of the first two films, Wallace attempted to
connect all three films togetherthrough certain stylistic
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themes. The film's opening title feature
features a digitally animated Jack O Lantern, an obvious
reference to the Jack O Lanternsthat appear in the opening
titles of Halloween and Halloween 2.
Wallace's Jack O Lantern is alsothe catalyst in the Silver
Shamrock commercials that activates the masks.
Another stylistic reference to the original film is found in
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the scene where Doctor Challis tosses a mask over a security
camera, making the image on the monitor seem to be peering
through the eye holes. This is the nod of the scene in
which young Michael Myers murders his sister while wearing
the clown mask in the first Halloween.
Finally, the film contains A brief reference to its
predecessors by including a few short scenes from Halloween in a
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television commercial that advertises the airing of the
film for the upcoming holiday asa minor story within a story,
which that part once again makesno sense.
Like if this is supposed to takeplace in the same world as
Halloween. Once again, if Halloween was not
in the title, as you said earlier, it would be fine, but
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it's a sequel to that movie. Why would you be like I?
I would have rather them had a newscast about, you know, three
years ago this Halloween, you know, we captured Michael Myers.
We know something about like a, you know, bring him in that way.
Don't be like a straight up commercial of the movie.
Yeah, it may. Yeah.
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I mean, it definitely made it where it's like it's not in the
same universe. Like, you can try to say it is,
but like, if you're watching themovie in the movie, like, that's
it, yeah. I did want to mention because I
I remember this when, when I watched Halloween Kills in 2021,
three of Michael Myers victims are displaying are displayed
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wearing the silver Shamrock masks on the merry go round.
I do remember that that did jumpout of me and I watched that.
So I thought that was a cool, a cool nod in that movie.
Back to this one, the tagline. The tagline for this movie was
The Night No One Comes Home was a play on the original Hollywood
tagline The Night He Came Home. Once again trying to tie it
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together, but not really. All right, this is my last one.
The movie takes place around Halloween 1982.
The children in the movie are told to wear their masks and
watch television at 9:00 PM on Halloween night, at which time
the chip in the mask would be activated in reality.
The movie Halloween from 1978 was broadcast on NBC at 9:00 PM
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on Sunday, October 31st, 1982. As you're saying that, and, and
I don't know why it didn't clue me until just right now,
something that I thought of maybe the younger kids would be
at home, but the younger kids would not be watching Halloween
on TV. When I got to a certain age, I
don't think on Halloween night Iwould have been at home.
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Yeah. Watching TVI would have been out
finishing trick or treating for the night.
Yeah, yeah, the funny and it's funny to go about like, I'm glad
you're bringing that up because I'm, I've been very irritated.
I'm going to go on a rant for a second.
So everybody just bear with me. We've got time.
We're way ahead of schedule right now.
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It's been within the last 20 years, I think.
But if you've lived long enough,you know that daylight savings
time, like falling back, used tohappen before Halloween.
But like 20 years ago, maybe like somewhere in the last 20 to
25 years, they moved it. As you notice, every year it's
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always the Sunday after Halloween.
Do you know why they did this? So people could have more trick
or treating time. No, it's all about money.
Well, it always is. That's the whole daylight
savings time. Yeah, they noticed.
The candy companies noticed thatthey were selling less candy for
Halloween because parents didn'tlike the idea of their kids
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being out after dark. They felt safer with their kids
trick or treating while the sun was still out, which I will say
has ruined trick or treating since then.
Because as a kid we didn't go out until it was dark.
Like if you went out before, if anybody came to my door before
it was dark outside, we wouldn'topen the door.
Like you've got to wait for it to be dark before we hand out
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candy. That was just roll.
Growing up or or you knew if it was before dark, it was the
little kids. Yeah, yeah, they're really,
really little kids, right. But as you got older, like we
were out till like 11:00. I mean, most, you know, most you
know, houses would stop running out of candy by like 930, 10:00
maybe at the latest. But we were always like roaming
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around doing stupid stuff. But well, and you knew the
rules. If the T if the house had turned
the lights off on the porch, youdidn't go.
Right, exactly, exactly so so that was so the candy company
was one reason you and this is this is going to blow your mind.
This is factual if you go back and and research it because I
remember reading about it when it happened.
The other institution that made the change, golf course golf
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courses. Golf courses knew they could
make more money with extra time for people that played the
twilight golf courses, so getting an extra hour during the
day would boost their sales in the slower months.
Well, I mean, if I had my druthers, if it was up to me, I
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would turn Halloween into a floating holiday, not a static
holiday, right? Right.
It would be like Thanksgiving isalways the third Thursday or the
last Thursday. Of the month of November, Yeah.
Of November, Halloween would be the last Saturday in November.
Yeah, yeah. And that that way, you know, you
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never had to worry about, you know, the kids have to go to
school the next day. The trick or treating needs to
start a little earlier. I mean, it never happened for
me. It seems to be more of a
Midwestern thing because I grew up down South where, you know,
where you you're at. Halloween was always Halloween
up here in the Wisconsin, the Midwest area towns will change
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trick or treat Halloween to whatever night they feel like.
Some of them will change it to Saturday.
Some of them will change it to Sunday, Right.
Some of them will set specific times we're going to only do it
from 5:00 to 7:00 or 6:00 to 8:00 or, you know, and that's
something that as a kid that never happened.
Like it was always Halloween night.
Yeah, and you started with as soon as the sun started going
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down, you went out. And as long as people had their
porch lights on, you could go. Yeah, and we've seen, I mean,
that's because that's becoming more normal.
Like even down South, like now you'll see like churches with
for their fall festivals and whatever.
And even like neighborhoods likeyou'll see the signs like, Hey,
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we're doing our hollow, you know, trick or treating trunk
and treat, whatever. They've kind of changed it to
it's usually going to be on a Saturday or a Sunday that's
closest to the 31st. So really there's not that much,
you know, like I think last yearwe went around the neighborhood
here on on Halloween, October 31st and it was let you know,
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probably less than half of the neighborhood had anybody out
giving candy or had their lightson.
So I think people are just accustomed to like going to the
bigger like, and they this mighthave been just where I was.
I think I was in Maryland when this was, but I remember one or
two Halloweens where the malls would have Halloween night where
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all the stores would have candy.So that that was becoming like
the quote UN quote alternative for going house to house.
But that was really more for theteenagers because you didn't see
many kids there. But like all the teenage like as
we got a certain age, like I don't want to go around with all
the little kids getting candy. We'd go walk around the mall,
dressed up or not, and just get,you know, candy from the stores
or whatever and. And because trick or treat,
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because Halloween doesn't reallyhave any historic connotations
or any sort of religious, you know, despite despite what this
movie tried to randomly shoe worn in, it doesn't really have
any. It's not like there's a a person
who would like if I tried to change July 4th to like
Saturday. Like, OK, there's a real reason
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why July 4th is on July 4th. It's not fireworks and.
And and, you know, beer. And and grill it out.
Halloween is just kind of a made-up holiday.
I know there's some Pagan traditions that are built into
it, but it's not like it's not ait's not as important to the
holiday as the fun that we have with it.
Yeah, exactly. So changing it to a Saturday
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wouldn't be a problem. Yeah, I mean, and you know, as
long as some guy doesn't steal Stonehenge, you know, we're
good. Right, right.
Or a piece of was it? He just took one stone, right?
Right, he took one stone from Stonehenge.
Yeah, he managed to steal A5 tonrock and nobody noticed him
doing it. Nope.
Amazing. All right, Well, yeah, so good,
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good little discussion about Halloween traditions.
So that's, that's true. I agree with you.
Just like I think that they've been talking about the last
couple years about moving the Super Bowl to like 2 weeks
later, a week later to like Presidents Day weekend because
most people have that Monday off.
So move it or just move it to a Saturday.
It's already 2 weeks after the regular.
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After the season ends, anyway. Does it have to be on a Sunday?
I mean, we are so used to not having football on Sundays
anymore. Just put it on a Saturday,
right? Yeah, exactly.
So, all right, well, let's jump into box office.
Halloween Three Season of the Witch open in theaters in the
United States on October 22nd, 1982, and it landed at #2 on the
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weekend box office behind another new new release for that
week, First Blood with SylvesterStallone.
It was the worst performing Halloween film at the time.
Several other horror films that premiered in 1982 performed far
better, including Poltergeist, Fight of the 13th, Part 3, and
Creepshow. All of those we've already
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covered on the podcast. I'm guessing the Week 2 drop off
was a massive compared to what most films get.
You know what? I didn't even look at that, but
yeah, I think. It's not working bad enough.
I mean, it's still made money. People went to go see.
I think the opening weekend probably had the most because
after that they're like, don't go see it.
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So yeah, huge drop off. All right, now it's time to take
a look at how well this 80s flick holds up.
Today, the all new rewatchable and nostalgia meters our way of
measuring how enjoyable a movie is for repeat viewings, along
with the waves and nostalgia it brings.
Here's how it works. It's a one to 10 scale.
Any number between 1:00 and 10:00 will do, but here are a
few parameters to help you decide.
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At the bottom of the meter is the number one, meaning I saw it
once and that was enough. Right in the middle is a out of
five is a good rewatch every couple of years, and the highly
coveted Top spot #10 is highly rewatchable and full of
nostalgia. So here we go, Nicholas.
Where does Halloween 3, the Season of the Witch rank on the
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rewatch ability nostalgia meter for you?
I have been debating this in my head all day today.
I. I think I've, I think I've come
down on A4. OK.
It's it's not terrible. And if you go into it knowing
there's no Michael Myers, yeah, And it's just a mess of a movie.
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There's enough enjoyable things in it and enough, you know, just
over the top acting that it's atleast worth watching.
It's not. If you're going to do a
Halloween marathon, skip it. You know it is.
It is. You know it, but if you're just
if you're just looking to watch a silly movie that is
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tangentially, you know, maybe a little scary, right?
It it's, it's not, it's not great, but it's, it's definitely
not the worst movie. No, But yeah.
So I think, I think 4/4 is probably a little more generous
than it deserves, but 4 is I think where I've landed on.
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Yeah, and that's exactly where Iwas going to put it.
I mean, it's it's not a it's notgood enough to be alive.
You know, there's no nostalgia for me.
So that's automatically going tobring it down.
But I had to say, is it rewatchable?
And I can say like I watched it what I said, you know, four
years ago, maybe watching it again four years later, it I was
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able to sit through it like I didn't, I wasn't like, you know,
reaching for my phone every 5 minutes.
I mean it, like I said, it has some, you know, scratch your
head moments like that doesn't make any sense.
But it's still it moves along pretty well.
And if you go into annoying thinking more sci-fi
psychological Invasion of the Body Snatchers was a big
influence on it. I didn't really talk to mention
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that earlier, but you know, kindof thinking of that type of
movie, more sci-fi horror than just, you know, slasher horror.
And it's worth, I think it's worth, you know, pulling out
every couple of years and, and, and rewatching.
And I, I think we started this for like if somebody said I've
never seen them before, I would be willing to watch it again
with somebody who hadn't just asget their reaction on, you know,
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some of the some of the things in it.
So I think that's that's where I'm I'm landing on it.
So all right, well, let us know where you think Halloween 3
should be ranked on the rewatch building install Jamita for you.
You can send us an e-mail at info@eightiesflickflashback.com
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leave a comment right here in YouTube if you're watching the
podcast on YouTube. So thanks Nicholas, so much for
joining us for this episode. We've got the summer is almost
over. It's crazy, man.
We're at the end of well, the time of this recording, we're
ending July. This is going to drop on August
1st, but so we've got two more sequels to cover in the summer
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of sequels, a better horror movie.
Next time we're going to do Nightmare on Elm Street 3, the
Dream Warriors and then for a special add on, we're going to
cover Rocky three at the end of August because I realized that I
had I had an extra spot in August and didn't realize that
when originally made my my my calendar.
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But anything exciting happening with pop culture roulette?
No, no, we're just, we're, we'rekind of in an inconsistent
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and I think they're fun. Yeah.
We, we, we enjoy it, You know, Iguess as long as we're making
each other laugh and having fun and hopefully, hopefully that
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It's time. It's time time for the big
giveaway. Halloween has come.
All you lucky kids with silver Shamrock masks gather around
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your TV set, put on your masks and watch all witches, all
skeletons, all Jack O lanterns gather around and watch.
Watch the Magic pumpkin watch.
For years, the absence of Michael Myers, Lori Strode, and
Dr. Loomis caused many fans of the Halloween movies to feel
confused, reject the film, or even become angry.
However, as time has passed, those emotions have eased and
the film has been re evaluated on its own merits.
While John Carpenter's original masterpiece is widely seen as
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the peak of the franchise, this 80s sequel is for some, not us,
but for some, the film that bestcaptures the spirit of the
Halloween season. By blending elements of the
ancient past with the modern American celebrations and
cultural rituals, it creates A tapestry that depicts the spooky
season in a way few horror movies have even achieved.
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The clock is ticking. Being in front of your TV sets
for the horrathon, followed by the big giveaway.
Don't miss it. And don't forget to wear your
masks. The clock is ticking, It's
almost time for Nicholas Pepin and I discuss Halloween 3, the
season of the Witch from 1982, on this episode of the 80s Flick
Flashback Podcast. Welcome in everybody.
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Thanks so much for joining us for the 80s Flick Flashback
podcast. I am your host Tim Williams.
I am so happy, happy, happy to have a returning guest coast for
tonight's very strange investigation to unravel the
secrets of the Silver Shamrock Novelties company.
I needed a partner with a mind sharp enough to resist the
hypnotic final commercial. He's no automaton spouting the
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same old opinions. He's the real deal, a man who
can spot a conspiracy a mile away.
And he's here to help me figure out if this movie was a
brilliant, deadly trick or a misunderstood holiday treat.
Please welcome back to the show from Pop Culture Roulette with
his mask Ready, Nicholas Pepin. How you doing Nicholas?
You know, I was trying to come up with something quickly, but I
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got nothing. I'm just going to go with.
It's somewhere in between. Yeah, yeah, I will say so
little, little Fact Check here if you, if you're not a long
standing listener of the podcast, Ron West and I covered
Halloween 2 very early in the podcast, probably like season
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one or two. And we had planned to do season,
you know, part three, season of the witch the next year and he
was not a fan. This is before Nicholas came on.
I think he was not a fan of it. And I watched and it was like, I
don't even want to talk about this movie.
I'm just going to skip it all together.
And I was like, I'll never do itfor the podcast.
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But here we are three or four years later and the summer of
sequels, we're doing part threesof sequels released in the 80s.
We've done every other Halloweenmovie except for this one.
So I was like, I'm just going toI'm going to put on the
calendar. I'm going to suck it up and I'm
going to do it. I will say watching it this
time, it wasn't as terrible as Iremembered it Still not great,
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but it wasn't as terrible. There's still a lot of things
that don't make any sense and are like which we'll talk about.
But it yeah, I think going in knowing that that Michael Myers
isn't going to be in it helps tokind of like, you know, ease
some of the the disappointment in it.
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But it's still not a great movie.
I mean, I'm going to jump throughout a little bit here.
Go for it. Had this movie had any other
title? Literally any other title.
Yeah, yeah. It's not the I mean, it's not
the worst movie. Like it's not it's but it it's
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putting the word Halloween in front of it after having done
two really successful Michael Meyer movies.
Right, right. And then a really confusing
subtitle. Yeah, that really doesn't make
any sense. It I think you just, you kind of
shot yourself in the foot and then and you've already covered
the Halloween movies. So we know where four goes back
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to, right? Right.
Yeah. And I think, you know, and I
think there's a reason why the anthology idea that John
Carpenter had died immediately. Yeah, yeah.
Seemed like a good idea at the time.
So all right, well before we getinto storage and pre production,
let's let's let's stick with thethe format.
So Nicholas, when did you see Halloween 3 for the very first
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time? A couple of years ago.
Yeah. I think we, I don't know.
I know we I think I've talked about a horror, a couple horror
movies. Yeah.
Because I've done at least one Friday the 13th of year.
Yeah. Yeah.
So growing up, I wasn't really allowed to watch horror movies.
Right, right. So a lot of this stuff is new to
me just because of that. And I, I had done Halloween on
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my own show through horror through the decades.
And so I was like, oh, and then you, you were talking about
Halloween and some, one of the other podcasts I listened to was
talking about Halloween. So I was like, I'm going to
watch 3. Knowing what it was ahead of
time helped. Right, right.
But you know, like, I'm glad I didn't watch it without prior
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knowledge because I think that I'd gone into it going this is a
Halloween movie. I would have been really angry.
Like everybody that went to the theater in 1982.
Yeah, exactly. So I you know it, Yeah.
So a couple years ago I watched it for the first time and then
watched it again on Saturday night through definite legal
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streaming ways. Sure, same here.
It was on a website that set free.
Yes, it was. And archive.
So yes, anyway, moving on. Yeah, I I had not seen it until,
like I said, a couple years ago when I watched it to originally
do it for the podcast. I had never seen it before then.
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I don't think I'd even seen bitsand pieces.
It's not when they're going to run, you know, on AMC every
hollow like I think they run every other Halloween movie on
AMC every Halloween, but not this one.
So this isn't one that I remember like being on TV as a
kid or any of that. Like I I remember nothing of
this movie from my childhood. All I knew was like the cover,
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the the poster on the cover and the masks.
But so I guess we're kind of both the same with this.
How long has it been since you watched it before you watch it
for the podcast? That was my last time for me,
you know. I think I've seen it two times
total now. Yeah, same.
So yeah, we're right there in the same boat.
So yeah, I can see where this one's going to land on the
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rewatch ability nostalgia meter already.
But we'll we'll we'll we'll savethat for the end like we
normally do. So story origin of pre
production. I, you know, made this much
shorter than instead of talking about way too much stuff.
So nice brief history. The behind the scenes story of
the first anthology attempt is just as wild as the film itself.
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Carpenter and Hill initially tapped Joe Dante, fresh off the
Howling, to direct. Dante, in turn, suggested
legendary British sci-fi writer Nigel Neil for the script.
In a fun twist, Neil accepted the job despite openly disliking
the first two Halloween films. However, the creative team was a
revolving door. Dante soon departed to film a
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segment for Twilight Zone The Movie, and Tommy Lee Wallace
stepped in to direct. Wallace was an old hand, having
served as production designer onthe original Halloween, and it
famously turned down directing Halloween too, because he hated
the script. Didn't learn his lesson that
time, huh? Apparently not.
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The writing process was even more chaotic.
Neil delivered a script focused on psychological shocks, but the
studio producers wanted more gore.
After clashing with Carpenter and Wallace over revisions, Neil
walked, demanding his name be removed entirely from the
project. Carpenter and Wallace both
performed rewrites, leading Wallace to later joke that his
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sole writing credit on the film is quote just about the most
inaccurate credit you could everconceive of.
End quotes. Yeah.
I didn't notice that. Like, you know, his name was,
you know, written and directed by Tommy Lee Wallace.
But from what I understand, it'svery much most, like 75 to 80%
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of the movie is what Neil wrote.And he just added a few things
to it, but it's basically the same story.
OK, yeah, I mean it, it's it's amess.
So. You can blame them all, you can
blame one. It doesn't matter.
I think you know, they all get they all get equal credit for
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you know what it became. So anything else that you had
read about pre production that you feel is worth?
Other other than the fact that Imean, John Carpenter, and I'm
sure you covered this on the second one, but it does bear
repeating, is that he originallyeven from the get go, wanted to
do Halloween as an anthology series, but the studio kind of
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forced him into doing Michael Myers to the second one, Part 2.
But he had always conceived thisto be just a series of scary
movies under one title, which sounds like a really cool idea.
But I guess when you do so well,when the first one, people kind
of want to see more of that. Right, right.
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Yeah, exactly. Because, you know, as we've
talked about before, Michael Myers kind of started that trend
of the slasher. You know, we wouldn't have Jason
Voorhees if we didn't have Michael Myers, wouldn't have
Freddy Krueger. If we didn't have Michael, we
wouldn't have Chucky. Like all of these, you know, the
slasher icons that we now know would not have, you know, Friday
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the 13th was basically, you know, Sean S Cunningham wanting
to get in on the money that Halloween made.
So he basically made the same type, like use the same template
of a movie of a crazy killer psycho killer killing teenagers
and just put it at a camp instead of a neighborhood.
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So yeah. But this was not that at all.
This is this does feel like watching it again.
It's like it is not a slasher movie at all.
It's completely outside of what you expect.
It's more, you know, like that sci-fi.
And what what struck me is how gore less it really was.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, you could almost show
this movie unedited on TV. Well, for sure there's like.
It gets a little. Creepy, but it's not there's.
Like one or two scenes you mighthave to cut or do a little fancy
editing. Yeah, but for the most part,
like you could get away with showing this one on TV unedited.
Yeah, yeah, wait, I'm I'm sure yeah 'cause there's really,
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there's really not, you know, the, the Android spoiler alert
there and Androids and you know,can you say Android?
I've done this before Lucas copyright or trademarked
androids that makes money anytime you use the term.
But if you didn't know that I'd anyway that's I won't, I won't I
won't go to. That I think they only refer to
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them as automatons in this movie.
There you go. That was the that was the term I
was looking for. But yeah, so they don't even
bleed. It's like concentrated orange
juice is actually what they use for like the the orange goo that
comes out of their mouths and their bodies.
But yeah, it's and, and even like that first kill at the
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beginning when the guys running with the mask and the robot
person like crushes his like nasal cavity.
Like I like, I don't even reallyknow what he did.
He just like, pushed his hand onthe guy's face until it kind of.
Like crushed away. At least the copy I watched,
they kind of cut. Like they kind of cut up and you
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hear the noise, yes, you don't really see it.
No, no, so and it's and it's funny because even some of those
scenes where like it, it went for the goal, like the quote UN
quote gore felt out of place, like it didn't fit the rest of
the movie. You know what I'm saying?
Like I could understand, like I never understood why.
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And we're, we're way ahead, but we're just, we're just, we're,
we're there now. So why like the kid that they
tested? What like first of all, why are
you waiting to test this like 2 days before Halloween when
you've done this like four months earlier?
But anyway, I digress. But like the family gets in the
little room and they put the mask on the kid and then it's
like, you know, all these crickets and like, you know,
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insects that are coming out of him and then the snake comes out
and snake bites the mom. It's like it just there's no
connection of why that's happening at all.
I mean, I though supposed to come from Stonehenge, but even
that is fuzzy as to how that allworks.
If the logic of the ultimate like end goal of the Callahan or
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Carnahan whatever his name was. Yeah.
Made didn't really make a lot ofsense.
Yeah, we'll get into it. All right, let's jump in the
casting once again. This one, unlike all the other
ones we've done for the summer sequels, no one returns in this
movie from a previous, the previous Part 1 or Part 2.
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So all new cast, but there's really only like 3 main
characters that I think are really worth mentioning.
But I'll, we'll, we'll cover them kind of quickly here.
The cast of Halloween 3 mostly consisted of character actors
whose previous credits included cameo appearances on various TV
series. The exceptions were Tom Atkins
and veteran actor Dan O'harley. Atkins, who was cast as surgeon
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Dan Chalice, had appeared in several John Carpenter films
before Halloween Three. He played Nick Castle in The Fog
in 1980 and Remy and escaped from New York in 1981, which
Nicholas Not covered this year. Yeah, earlier this year, yeah.
Atkins guest star on TV shows like The Rockford Files and Lou
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Grant. He told Fangoria that he enjoyed
playing the hero as a seasoned actor.
I'm sorry, as a seasoned horror actor, he said.
I wouldn't mind making a whole career out of being in just
horror movies. After Halloween 3, Atkins
continues supporting roles in numerous films and TV series.
So just a little bit about Tom Atkins.
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Yes, he is in the fog. I've seen that when he of
course, he was in Escape from New York, probably his most
famous role. He was also a Night of the
Creeps, which I watched last year.
Another 80s kind of more of AB movie horror movie, but the most
iconic role is he is Hunsacker in the first lethal Weapon that
gets shot with the sniper while he's holding the eggnog, like
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the famous bullet for the eggnogscene.
So that's that's, that's him. I feel like you and I covered a
lot of Tom Atkins 80s movies. Yeah, right, because we did
Lethal Weapon and Escape from New York.
This is at least the third one, if not 4.
Who knew Tom Adkins would have such a, you know, such a vast
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career of the 80s that we, you know, he was a definitely a that
guy. Like I would not have known his,
I mean, maybe two weeks from now, if you say what's that
guy's name? I'm may be able to pull it out
of thin air, but I'm not sure. So he's not, he's not a, you
know. Yeah, you're right.
I mean, top tier actor. No, he's he's a cult.
I mean, he's a he's a cult actor.
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I mean, he for sure. I mean you, you already named a
lot of the movies that he's in. I've covered a couple of them
with you or over on whore through the decades over with
the, you know, on the PCR stuff.So.
So then we've got Stacey Nelkin as Ellie Grimberg, a young woman
whose father Harry is murdered by Silver Shamrock.
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She got the role after a makeup artist working on the film told
her about the auditions. Nelkin considered it an honor to
play Jamie Lee Curtis's successor, According to Rodger
Ebert, Nelkin's performance was the one saving grace of the
film, he explained. Quote, she has one of those rich
voices that makes you wish she had more to say and in a better
role. Too bad she plays her last scene
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without a head. End Quote, which I love.
Before her role, she was one of the main characters in the 1980
Mad magazine movie Up the Academy, which also starred
Ralph Macchio. After Halloween 3, she continued
working as a character actress on television.
So she wasn't terrible. I don't think she was a saving
grace of the movie at all. Like she's OK, but yeah.
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I think saving grace is a strongword for this movie so.
Yeah, I think the best of best of the ones we're going to cover
is veteran Irish actor Dan O'harelly, who is cast as
Colonel Connell Cochran. I think it's Connell Connell
Cochran, the owner of Silver Shamrock and the witch, quote UN
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quote, which is more really moreof a warlock from the film's
title. He was a 3000 year old demon in
Neil's original script. He's played close.
He had played close to 150 rolesbefore this one and was
nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor, First
Performance in Robinson Crusoe in 1954.
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He appeared in another 20 films and television series before his
death in 2005. In this move, of course, he
plays the corrupt corporate executive, something that he
would be well known portraying in the first two RoboCop movies
as the old man. So I thought that was
interesting. And then of course, the name
stood out to me because he's also in The Last Starfighter.
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He plays Grigg. Of course, you don't know that's
him because he's wearing an alien mask.
But I knew the voice immediately.
That the same actor. So anybody you want to, anything
you want to add or anybody you want to you want to add,
Nicholas, let's get through thisas fast as possible.
No, I I mean legit like there's,there's so few people in this
movie. Yeah.
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I mean, everybody else is there for like maybe 5 minutes and
that's it. Like, there's not a whole lot
of. Characters The woman who played
his ex-wife was in one of the other or two of the other
Halloween movies as a different character.
Yeah, I don't. Remember her name and like if I
hadn't read the credits I wouldn't have even known that
she didn't. Unfortunately just, and not
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through any fault of her own, just the lack of script, like
she didn't really stand out so. Yeah, the only other, the only
other person I thought about mentioning as like a, you know,
a part of the cast is the other doctor that was doing like the
lab work for and that was going through all the robot parts.
But, you know, I don't. She didn't populate much on her
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IMDb page, so wasn't worth mentioning.
But she was actually, she was actually decent.
Of course, she didn't have to bein much of the movie, so, but I
kind of liked her character. Yeah.
So you mentioned Nancy Kaiz is the one that played Chalice's
ex-wife Linda. She appeared in the first two
Halloween films as Lori Strode'spromiscuous friend Annie
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Brackett. Stunt performer Dick Warlock,
who played Michael Myers in Halloween 2, played the lead
Android assassin. Jamie Lee Curtis provided
uncredited voice work as the Santa Mira curfew announcer and
the telephone operator, which I did recognize your voice as
telephone operator. And then director Tommy Lee
Wallace provided uncredited voice work as the Silver
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Shamrock commercial announcer. So he's the one that did all the
commercials and that's what I got for cast.
All right. Yeah.
Moving right along. Moving right along.
All right, let's talk iconic scenes.
If someone says Halloween, threeseason of the witch, what's the
first thing that pops in your head, Nicholas?
The only thing that would come to my mind is that commercial
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and they air it like I think they said 14 times.
Yeah, Yeah, I think so. That that that 1-6 more days to
Halloween. Halloween, yeah, that that's
your iconic. Because I mean, I'm honestly
shocked now that this movie has kind of come back around and hit
cold status that they don't makemore of a deal of the I know
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that somebody sold some versionsof the mask not too long.
Ago. Yeah, yeah.
But I mean, like, they're just, you know, like, I mean, those
masks are probably 90% of the budget, but.
Right, right. Yes.
So for the song they used the tune London Bridge is Falling
Down because it was in public domain, so they had to pay any
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money for it. But it's also catchy.
Like I, I didn't realize that was the same tune until I read
that. The theme, as you said, was
played a total of 14 times the movie 4 times at the gas
station, once at Linda Chalice'shome, once at the hospital, once
in the bar, twice on the television, screams in the shop
window, twice on the radio, oncein the motel office, once in
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test room A, and once in the final scene.
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's also the, I
mean, like you said, I mean, if you have to come up with
something from this movie, that's what you think of is that
commercial with that song. Yeah, I think that.
And then I think the masks are probably what I remember, like
the pumpkin mask, probably because that's the one they use.
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You know, the boy kind of dies with the pumpkin mask on.
But I will say, like, I think for me now, I think the iconic
scene for me would be the very the ending with him, like, you
know, screaming stop, stop, you know, stop it.
And then and I'll say I wouldn'tsay it up front.
I like the ending. I like the ambig, ambiguousness.
Is that the right word? And.
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It's close enough. Yeah, big words, big words, hard
to say, ambiguous ending that you don't know if you really
stopped it or not, which I actually thought it was.
You know, the first time I was kind of like, that's kind of
weird. But watching it the second time,
I think I appreciated it more. I like that better than, you
know, it was different. You know, there was no last jump
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scare like we would expect from the things, you know, the what's
his name? Cochran didn't come back, you
know, didn't pop up at the gas station, you know, surviving his
electrocution or whatever that was that happened in the in the
factory or whatever. So but I will say after he
shouts stop it on the phone at the movie's very ending, the
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screen cuts to black and ending credits.
Originally, the ending theme wasn't going to be played during
the credits. Instead, it was supposed to be
the screams of millions of children being murdered.
Director Tommy Lee Wallace decided not to add this so the
ending would be ambiguous and ata possibility they were saved.
When lead actor Tom Atkins saw the new ending, he was much more
satisfied with the movie in spite of critical reception and
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likes to imagine his characters struggles weren't in vain.
Or at least his own children were.
Or at least his own children survived.
Yeah, I mean, I I would say thatthe ambiguous ending is better
than the screams of millions of showing.
Yeah, yeah, that definitely would have been a happy ending.
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Not that we get really happy endings in these type of horror
movies, but yeah. Well, So what about favorite
scenes? I I've got the the homeless guy.
OK. Yeah, when he gets his head
ripped off, that's kind of a cool special effect.
Yeah, yeah. It's 1 and again, like it's it's
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oddly kind of without gore considering his head is getting
ripped off. And then that fight scene at the
end after she becomes an automaton.
Is so. Over the top, but funny.
Yeah, it's and I did see that there was some argument online
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and I don't know if you have this in your notes, but like
people are like, well, maybe sheshe was in automaton the whole
time. No, she wasn't.
Stop it. No, like, you can tell, like the
way she was portraying herself after he saved her, like, right.
Yeah, You kind of fit. Like, the second time I'm
watching, I'm like, well, how? Yeah, of course.
How did I not know that she was a robot, you know?
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But like, you know, she she clearly wasn't a robot until the
they kidnapped her and turned her into one.
Right, right. Yeah.
Or at least made made a copy of her.
Maybe she's still actually locked up in the factory
somewhere. Yeah, exactly, Exactly.
So, yeah, I did like that fight scene.
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Like I said, it was more comical.
Like I was like, she's not goingto pop up again.
Like I'm, you know, he was, he battled the arm and then like a
second or two later, then here she comes without the arm.
And then, you know, it's just like, yeah, but that was.
Kind of. It kind of had an evil dead feel
or an evil. Dead.
Feel. Yes, it was.
It was comical, it was funny, itwas well done.
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It kind of gave a needed relief break to an otherwise kind of
movie. Yeah, yeah, I, I don't really
have any favorite scenes, but going back to the drunk, I will
like interesting scenes or things that make you hmm is when
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he's like, can I have a sip? I don't have any diseases or
anything. And he just gives the guy the
bottle and then like 5 seconds later takes a sip from the
bottle after the drunk guy drankfrom it.
I was like, he didn't have. Any diseases?
Trust him. You know you're in this, you're
in this unknown town where people looking looking at you
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weird when you come in and drivein.
But this homeless guy, Sure man.Have a swig of my of my juice.
If you can't trust a random homeless stranger in a nun in a
backwards town, who can you trust?
Exactly, exactly. PSA kids, if he says he doesn't
have diseases, he's probably right.
Oh, man. All right, so I got to talk
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about these while they're on. While I'm thinking about it,
let's talk about these like the weirdest, the weirdest parts of
the movie. So maybe not favorite scenes,
just go to like weird scenes. OK, I've got one of those.
Yeah, as Laramie calls it, his weird science.
Like where does the logic not add up?
So go ahead and see if I've got.I've got 2.
I'll see what? What?
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You got this one's not so much weird sciences, it's just a
super questionable scene. Oh yeah, there's plenty of those
we have so. So they've just slept together
for the first time, right. And I don't, I can't remember if
they're about to do it again or or if there's if it's a he goes,
wait, how old are you? Yeah, you should have a little.
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Little before too late for that buddy, Right, right, right.
That whole relationship is we'relike, that's one of mine is
like, you've just met this girl,you're driving to this town and
like there's no chemistry between them at all.
And all of a sudden it's like, I'll stay here.
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Whatever. And he kisses her and then you
have this, you know, love scene or whatever.
And it's like, it's just creepy,man.
I mean, he's clearly, you know, way older than she is.
And the bad thing is in the fog,it's almost the exact same
thing. Like he's an older guy and, you
know, said, quote, UN quote, seduced by the young woman.
Whatever. But yeah.
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So I will say the creepiest I will doesn't go to record the
creepiest part of this movie wasnot the insects and the snake
coming out of the the kids pumpkinhead.
It wasn't, you know, androids orwhatever, robot people pulling
off heads of, you know, homelessguys or whatever.
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The weirdest, the creepiest partof this movie is an ER that has
no patients that the doctor takes a nap.
Like I have never in the historyof my life ever seen an ER with
nobody in it. Or, or where the doctor feels
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the need to drive to three townsover, or wherever it is.
Right. Right to research the death of
his patient. Right, right.
Not. Just go.
Hey Mr. Detective, you should look into this.
Yeah, and why? Why is the guy still holding the
mask? I mean, he's been holding that
mask for like how long? Like it's just they've already
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brought him in, they've examinedhim, he's in the room and he's
still holding the mask for them.And then, oh, and then I love
that the Android guy just comes in, kills him and then just
walks out. Like don't nobody's going to see
my face. No one's going to recognize me.
But I guess as a robot, he can just change faces or train
change heads. Maybe so.
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And then he blows himself up. For whatever reason, they never
bothered to explain. Yeah, I love the pouring of
gasoline on him. I was like, OK, this is not
going to end good. Yeah.
There's a lot of weird that scenes that don't make sense.
Those those are the ones that stood out to me the most.
Like when he, you know, he's like, well, it's pretty quiet
and I'm going to take a nap and like, this is the ER, right.
Like, I know it's a small town, I guess, but still.
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Yeah. Just just weird.
There was something else I was going to mention.
Can't remember? All right, well then, you ready
to jump into some trivia and scenes in trivia?
Sure, All right. Although the third film departed
from the plot of the first two films, Wallace attempted to
connect all three films togetherthrough certain stylistic
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themes. The film's opening title feature
features a digitally animated Jack O Lantern, an obvious
reference to the Jack O Lanternsthat appear in the opening
titles of Halloween and Halloween 2.
Wallace's Jack O Lantern is alsothe catalyst in the Silver
Shamrock commercials that activates the masks.
Another stylistic reference to the original film is found in
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the scene where Doctor Challis tosses a mask over a security
camera, making the image on the monitor seem to be peering
through the eye holes. This is the nod of the scene in
which young Michael Myers murders his sister while wearing
the clown mask in the first Halloween.
Finally, the film contains A brief reference to its
predecessors by including a few short scenes from Halloween in a
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television commercial that advertises the airing of the
film for the upcoming holiday asa minor story within a story,
which that part once again makesno sense.
Like if this is supposed to takeplace in the same world as
Halloween. Once again, if Halloween was not
in the title, as you said earlier, it would be fine, but
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it's a sequel to that movie. Why would you be like I?
I would have rather them had a newscast about, you know, three
years ago this Halloween, you know, we captured Michael Myers.
We know something about like a, you know, bring him in that way.
Don't be like a straight up commercial of the movie.
Yeah, it may. Yeah.
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I mean, it definitely made it where it's like it's not in the
same universe. Like, you can try to say it is,
but like, if you're watching themovie in the movie, like, that's
it, yeah. I did want to mention because I
I remember this when, when I watched Halloween Kills in 2021,
three of Michael Myers victims are displaying are displayed
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wearing the silver Shamrock masks on the merry go round.
I do remember that that did jumpout of me and I watched that.
So I thought that was a cool, a cool nod in that movie.
Back to this one, the tagline. The tagline for this movie was
The Night No One Comes Home was a play on the original Hollywood
tagline The Night He Came Home. Once again trying to tie it
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together, but not really. All right, this is my last one.
The movie takes place around Halloween 1982.
The children in the movie are told to wear their masks and
watch television at 9:00 PM on Halloween night, at which time
the chip in the mask would be activated in reality.
The movie Halloween from 1978 was broadcast on NBC at 9:00 PM
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on Sunday, October 31st, 1982. As you're saying that, and, and
I don't know why it didn't clue me until just right now,
something that I thought of maybe the younger kids would be
at home, but the younger kids would not be watching Halloween
on TV. When I got to a certain age, I
don't think on Halloween night Iwould have been at home.
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Yeah. Watching TVI would have been out
finishing trick or treating for the night.
Yeah, yeah, the funny and it's funny to go about like, I'm glad
you're bringing that up because I'm, I've been very irritated.
I'm going to go on a rant for a second.
So everybody just bear with me. We've got time.
We're way ahead of schedule right now.
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It's been within the last 20 years, I think.
But if you've lived long enough,you know that daylight savings
time, like falling back, used tohappen before Halloween.
But like 20 years ago, maybe like somewhere in the last 20 to
25 years, they moved it. As you notice, every year it's
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always the Sunday after Halloween.
Do you know why they did this? So people could have more trick
or treating time. No, it's all about money.
Well, it always is. That's the whole daylight
savings time. Yeah, they noticed.
The candy companies noticed thatthey were selling less candy for
Halloween because parents didn'tlike the idea of their kids
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being out after dark. They felt safer with their kids
trick or treating while the sun was still out, which I will say
has ruined trick or treating since then.
Because as a kid we didn't go out until it was dark.
Like if you went out before, if anybody came to my door before
it was dark outside, we wouldn'topen the door.
Like you've got to wait for it to be dark before we hand out
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candy. That was just roll.
Growing up or or you knew if it was before dark, it was the
little kids. Yeah, yeah, they're really,
really little kids, right. But as you got older, like we
were out till like 11:00. I mean, most, you know, most you
know, houses would stop running out of candy by like 930, 10:00
maybe at the latest. But we were always like roaming
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around doing stupid stuff. But well, and you knew the
rules. If the T if the house had turned
the lights off on the porch, youdidn't go.
Right, exactly, exactly so so that was so the candy company
was one reason you and this is this is going to blow your mind.
This is factual if you go back and and research it because I
remember reading about it when it happened.
The other institution that made the change, golf course golf
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courses. Golf courses knew they could
make more money with extra time for people that played the
twilight golf courses, so getting an extra hour during the
day would boost their sales in the slower months.
Well, I mean, if I had my druthers, if it was up to me, I
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would turn Halloween into a floating holiday, not a static
holiday, right? Right.
It would be like Thanksgiving isalways the third Thursday or the
last Thursday. Of the month of November, Yeah.
Of November, Halloween would be the last Saturday in November.
Yeah, yeah. And that that way, you know, you
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never had to worry about, you know, the kids have to go to
school the next day. The trick or treating needs to
start a little earlier. I mean, it never happened for
me. It seems to be more of a
Midwestern thing because I grew up down South where, you know,
where you you're at. Halloween was always Halloween
up here in the Wisconsin, the Midwest area towns will change
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trick or treat Halloween to whatever night they feel like.
Some of them will change it to Saturday.
Some of them will change it to Sunday, Right.
Some of them will set specific times we're going to only do it
from 5:00 to 7:00 or 6:00 to 8:00 or, you know, and that's
something that as a kid that never happened.
Like it was always Halloween night.
Yeah, and you started with as soon as the sun started going
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down, you went out. And as long as people had their
porch lights on, you could go. Yeah, and we've seen, I mean,
that's because that's becoming more normal.
Like even down South, like now you'll see like churches with
for their fall festivals and whatever.
And even like neighborhoods likeyou'll see the signs like, Hey,
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we're doing our hollow, you know, trick or treating trunk
and treat, whatever. They've kind of changed it to
it's usually going to be on a Saturday or a Sunday that's
closest to the 31st. So really there's not that much,
you know, like I think last yearwe went around the neighborhood
here on on Halloween, October 31st and it was let you know,
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probably less than half of the neighborhood had anybody out
giving candy or had their lightson.
So I think people are just accustomed to like going to the
bigger like, and they this mighthave been just where I was.
I think I was in Maryland when this was, but I remember one or
two Halloweens where the malls would have Halloween night where
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all the stores would have candy.So that that was becoming like
the quote UN quote alternative for going house to house.
But that was really more for theteenagers because you didn't see
many kids there. But like all the teenage like as
we got a certain age, like I don't want to go around with all
the little kids getting candy. We'd go walk around the mall,
dressed up or not, and just get,you know, candy from the stores
or whatever and. And because trick or treat,
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because Halloween doesn't reallyhave any historic connotations
or any sort of religious, you know, despite despite what this
movie tried to randomly shoe worn in, it doesn't really have
any. It's not like there's a a person
who would like if I tried to change July 4th to like
Saturday. Like, OK, there's a real reason
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why July 4th is on July 4th. It's not fireworks and.
And and, you know, beer. And and grill it out.
Halloween is just kind of a made-up holiday.
I know there's some Pagan traditions that are built into
it, but it's not like it's not ait's not as important to the
holiday as the fun that we have with it.
Yeah, exactly. So changing it to a Saturday
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wouldn't be a problem. Yeah, I mean, and you know, as
long as some guy doesn't steal Stonehenge, you know, we're
good. Right, right.
Or a piece of was it? He just took one stone, right?
Right, he took one stone from Stonehenge.
Yeah, he managed to steal A5 tonrock and nobody noticed him
doing it. Nope.
Amazing. All right, Well, yeah, so good,
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good little discussion about Halloween traditions.
So that's, that's true. I agree with you.
Just like I think that they've been talking about the last
couple years about moving the Super Bowl to like 2 weeks
later, a week later to like Presidents Day weekend because
most people have that Monday off.
So move it or just move it to a Saturday.
It's already 2 weeks after the regular.
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After the season ends, anyway. Does it have to be on a Sunday?
I mean, we are so used to not having football on Sundays
anymore. Just put it on a Saturday,
right? Yeah, exactly.
So, all right, well, let's jump into box office.
Halloween Three Season of the Witch open in theaters in the
United States on October 22nd, 1982, and it landed at #2 on the
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weekend box office behind another new new release for that
week, First Blood with SylvesterStallone.
It was the worst performing Halloween film at the time.
Several other horror films that premiered in 1982 performed far
better, including Poltergeist, Fight of the 13th, Part 3, and
Creepshow. All of those we've already
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covered on the podcast. I'm guessing the Week 2 drop off
was a massive compared to what most films get.
You know what? I didn't even look at that, but
yeah, I think. It's not working bad enough.
I mean, it's still made money. People went to go see.
I think the opening weekend probably had the most because
after that they're like, don't go see it.
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So yeah, huge drop off. All right, now it's time to take
a look at how well this 80s flick holds up.
Today, the all new rewatchable and nostalgia meters our way of
measuring how enjoyable a movie is for repeat viewings, along
with the waves and nostalgia it brings.
Here's how it works. It's a one to 10 scale.
Any number between 1:00 and 10:00 will do, but here are a
few parameters to help you decide.
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At the bottom of the meter is the number one, meaning I saw it
once and that was enough. Right in the middle is a out of
five is a good rewatch every couple of years, and the highly
coveted Top spot #10 is highly rewatchable and full of
nostalgia. So here we go, Nicholas.
Where does Halloween 3, the Season of the Witch rank on the
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rewatch ability nostalgia meter for you?
I have been debating this in my head all day today.
I. I think I've, I think I've come
down on A4. OK.
It's it's not terrible. And if you go into it knowing
there's no Michael Myers, yeah, And it's just a mess of a movie.
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There's enough enjoyable things in it and enough, you know, just
over the top acting that it's atleast worth watching.
It's not. If you're going to do a
Halloween marathon, skip it. You know it is.
It is. You know it, but if you're just
if you're just looking to watch a silly movie that is
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tangentially, you know, maybe a little scary, right?
It it's, it's not, it's not great, but it's, it's definitely
not the worst movie. No, But yeah.
So I think, I think 4/4 is probably a little more generous
than it deserves, but 4 is I think where I've landed on.
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Yeah, and that's exactly where Iwas going to put it.
I mean, it's it's not a it's notgood enough to be alive.
You know, there's no nostalgia for me.
So that's automatically going tobring it down.
But I had to say, is it rewatchable?
And I can say like I watched it what I said, you know, four
years ago, maybe watching it again four years later, it I was
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able to sit through it like I didn't, I wasn't like, you know,
reaching for my phone every 5 minutes.
I mean it, like I said, it has some, you know, scratch your
head moments like that doesn't make any sense.
But it's still it moves along pretty well.
And if you go into annoying thinking more sci-fi
psychological Invasion of the Body Snatchers was a big
influence on it. I didn't really talk to mention
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that earlier, but you know, kindof thinking of that type of
movie, more sci-fi horror than just, you know, slasher horror.
And it's worth, I think it's worth, you know, pulling out
every couple of years and, and, and rewatching.
And I, I think we started this for like if somebody said I've
never seen them before, I would be willing to watch it again
with somebody who hadn't just asget their reaction on, you know,
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some of the some of the things in it.
So I think that's that's where I'm I'm landing on it.
So all right, well, let us know where you think Halloween 3
should be ranked on the rewatch building install Jamita for you.
You can send us an e-mail at info@eightiesflickflashback.com
or social media, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, or you can
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leave a comment right here in YouTube if you're watching the
podcast on YouTube. So thanks Nicholas, so much for
joining us for this episode. We've got the summer is almost
over. It's crazy, man.
We're at the end of well, the time of this recording, we're
ending July. This is going to drop on August
1st, but so we've got two more sequels to cover in the summer
(44:44):
of sequels, a better horror movie.
Next time we're going to do Nightmare on Elm Street 3, the
Dream Warriors and then for a special add on, we're going to
cover Rocky three at the end of August because I realized that I
had I had an extra spot in August and didn't realize that
when originally made my my my calendar.
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But anything exciting happening with pop culture roulette?
No, no, we're just, we're, we'rekind of in an inconsistent
schedule right now, but we're, we're still pumping out episodes
and I think they're fun. Yeah.
We, we, we enjoy it, You know, Iguess as long as we're making
each other laugh and having fun and hopefully, hopefully that
(45:29):
comes through and people enjoy listening.
You can find me wherever. Pop culture roulette, we're on
all the all the streamers that I'm aware of are the podcast
directories. Yeah.
If you want to get in touch withme, it's over at the Pop culture
Roulette on Facebook or Pop CultRoulette on Instagram.
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Very. Cool, definitely check it out.
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I'm sorry, 80s flick flashback merch and original designs.
I think I'm going to try to put together some silver Shamrock
designs here pretty soon after watching the movie.
Thanks again for tuning in, everybody.
I'm Tim Williams for the 80s flick flashback podcast.
It's time. It's time time for the big
giveaway. Halloween has come.
All you lucky kids with silver Shamrock masks gather around
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your TV set, put on your masks and watch all witches, all
skeletons, all Jack O lanterns gather around and watch.
Watch the Magic pumpkin watch.
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