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The Friday the 13th films are always pure and simple exercises
in commerce, made for dirt cheapand delivering reliably huge
returns on investment. It didn't much matter if a
particular installment was dreadful or the best one they'd
ever done because they always turn to profit.
However, those profit margins were starting to get thinner as
the box office grosses continuedtheir decline from sequel to
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sequel. So by 1987, Paramount wasn't
ready to walk away from Jason Voorhees, but they were looking
for a way to make one last big splash.
Unfortunately, their dreams weredashed and we got this instead.
So meet us once again at CrystalLake as Charlie Cotter, Laramie
Wells and I discuss Friday the 13th Part 7, The new blood from
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1988 on this episode of the 80s Flick Flashback Podcast.
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original designs. My 2 Co hosts today are no
strangers to the Friday the 13thfranchise.
First up, he may be the youngster of the group, but he
knows a good 80 slasher when he sees one.
It's Charlie Carter. How you doing, Charlie?
I'm all right. I'm doing well.
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I'm definitely the youngster of the group, but I've I've
definitely, like you said, I've seen my fair share.
Yes, yes. And of course, we couldn't talk
about Jason Voorhees without this guy.
For Moving Panels podcast, it's Laramie Wells.
How you doing Laramie? Great, this is my favorite
carry. Sequel, pretty much, Pretty
much. So we're talking, of course,
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it's Friday the 13th. We're doing our bonus episode
because we have a Friday in the month of June.
That's the 13th. So we're almost out of.
Yeah, almost. There's typically 4 Fridays in
June. But only one.
That's the 13th and only comes around every so often.
But, but we're about to run out.We're an 88.
We've got one more after this one.
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So, but we have, I think I've had both of you.
I don't think on all of them, but on most of them.
I think Laramie's been on all ofthem.
I think Charlie's been on most of them.
Maybe. But anyway, go back and listen
to we've done one through 6 so far, so here we are with #7 So
let's jump right in. Laramie, when did you see Friday
the 13th Part 7 for the very first time?
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When it aired, Yeah. When it aired, when it aired on
Channel 36 in Atlanta, whenever I was a kid.
Yeah. I honestly, I can't tell you
exactly when, but it definitely,definitely was, again, all of
the Friday 13th, all of the Nightmare on Elm streets.
Yeah, they were all on television in the probably early
90s when I was when I was a child.
Although honestly, other than like the nudity in the language
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this isn't. This didn't have to be cut all
that much I wouldn't think. Not for TV but they they cut a
lot because sorry we'll get intoit.
They had to cut it 9 times to keep it from getting an X
rating. And the director?
Was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm just talking about with
the finished product. Like we editing it for
television could hadn't have been that drastic.
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Yeah, much like one of the previous ones we talked about
where it's like it was the most goreless and, you know, the
cleanest of the Friday the 13th movie so far.
So Charlie, what about you? I thought I know you bought the
compilation, and that's usually what you tell us.
You watched it for the. First time I was about to say,
if you heard, if you've listenedto any of the other episodes, I
bought the box set maybe, you know, seven or eight years ago
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and I sat down in a week or two and watched all of them.
So, so yeah, this is and then I watched it again not too long
ago. So it's it's pretty fresh on the
fresh on the brain. Yeah, I can honestly say this
was my first time watching this one.
I had never seen this one before.
I know we talked previously, like, you know, it wasn't a huge
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horror movie horror of 80s fan. I got I got into the right
Nightmare on Elm Street, but Friday the 13th I definitely got
into later. But I know I'd seen like I
remembered seeing 4I remembered seeing three, but the later ones
I didn't. And so, yeah, this was a first
time watch for me, but I I kind of knew that it wasn't one of
the better ones. So my expectations were not very
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high. And I'm glad because he would
low expectations. It still wasn't good, but we'll
we'll get into it. So how long has it been since
you rewatched it before you watching it for the podcast?
So Charlie said he just watched a little while ago, right?
Yeah, just watched it and then watch that the the recap that
goes through all the highlights and low lights of this movie.
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So yeah, I just just finished that not too long ago.
Gotcha. What about you, Laramie?
Probably other than watching it to prep for this show, it's
probably been two or three yearsOK since I've watched it again.
I am a fan of all of these, so Ido watch them on a fairly
regular basis. Not necessarily yearly, but
fairly consistently. Do you watch them in order or
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you just pick one to watch everyso often?
If I'm. If I'm going to watch them, I
usually it's kind of the way Charlie just talked about, like
I usually try to sit and watch as many of them as I can from
the beginning to the end. Yeah, watch.
Watch the decline from movie to movie like in real time.
Gotcha. All right, well let's jump into
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pre production and story origin after the previous installment
Friday the 13th Part 6 Jason Lives, which reintroduced the
Jason Voorhees character. Part 7 was originally intended
to be a crossover film between Jason and Freddie.
With each Friday the 13th sequel, the box office prophets
were diminishing, with the filmsin the Nightmare on Elm Street
series grossing nearly twice theamount of the Friday the 13th
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films. Paramount Pictures proposed the
crossover idea to New Line Cinema, the rival company who
held the rights to the Elm Street films, with Paramount
controlling domestic distribution and New Line
controlling international distribution.
The idea was abandoned after thetwo companies failed to come to
an agreement, with the concept only coming to fruition after
New Line purchased the rights tothe Friday the 13th franchise,
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releasing Freddy VS Jason in 2003.
But one of the concepts for Part7 was conceived by associate
producer Barbara Saxe and was noted as being similar to the
plot of Jaws, where a corporate land developer covers up the
previous Jason Voorhees massacres in order to profitably
build condos on Crystal Lake. Executive producer Frank Mancuso
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Junior resisted the idea, and screenwriter Daryl Haney stated,
quote, UN quote, there's always a teenage girl who's left to
battle Jason by herself. What if the girl had telekinetic
powers? Sacks, who consider the Jason
versus Kerry concept to be an interesting idea, wanted the
installment to be more respectable than the previous
entries in the series. Haney stated that she wanted to
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be unlike any other Friday the 13th.
She wanted it to win an Academy Award.
Several high profile directors were considered for the job,
including Italian filmmaker Federico Fellini.
Instead, they got John Carl Buckler, an American special
special. I'm sorry, American special
makeup effects artist, screenwriter and actor.
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He was best known for his work on horror and science fiction
films, mostly as part of CharlesBand, Empires Charles and
directed films such as Troll Cellar, Dweller, Ghoulies 3,
Ghoulies, Go to College, and Curse of the 49er.
His makeup work included Ghoulies Troll Television, Dolls
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on Nightmare, Elm Street for TheDream Master, and Halloween for
The Return of Michael Myers. So not Academy Award-winning
stuff. No, but I have AI have a problem
with one thing that was said. OK, what's that?
He said that Jason, there's always a final girl with Jason.
Had he forgotten the last three movies?
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I think Tommy Jarvis trilogy. Right, right, right.
Well, I think like what I read adifferent account where he was
basically on the payphone with the producer and every idea he
gave them they wouldn't take. And so he's like, well, let me
just throw this out at you. So it was kind of a bottom of
the barrel pitch idea. So he probably wasn't thinking
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of it clearly all the way through.
But yeah. And the director now calls it
Carrie versus the Terminator. He doesn't even think of it as a
Jason Voorhees Friday this type.Movie Look if the best thing to
come out of this movie and then the next three is Kane hotter.
Absolutely. Absolutely the best Jason, hands
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down. Absolutely.
Yeah, one thing you said in there actually makes a lot of
sense about the whole they wanted to get, well, Jason kept
getting stronger and stronger, and so they needed a new idea.
So they came up with Carrie instead of just a regular final
girl. If you have just a regular
human, well, then this zombie teleporting Jason could just
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make short work of it. So I guess, I guess it makes
sense, You know, with movie #7 Yeah, let's get.
Crazy going back to Kane Hotter,though.
If your worry is that Kane's getting stronger, why do you
hire a guy who's built like a house?
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He's got to be the thickest Jason.
Yeah, maybe not the tallest, butthe thickest Jason we've had
yet. Yeah, and the way he moves
around, especially in the later scenes, he's.
Kane hotter. So good at that.
Yeah, he's not necessarily smart, but you know, like,
quote, UN quote, he's the smarter Jason.
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Like he, he has a door and he like, is trying to scare them
and it's just, it's working. Yeah, he's terrifying.
All right, well, let's jump intocasting since we're right there
talking about Kane hotter because he's at the top of the
cast list. As he should be.
Sorry, my notes take it takes you back to the top.
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OK, so Kane hotter is Jason Voorhees Hotter is best known
for his portrayal of Jason Voorhees with four appearances
in the film series, this being the first one.
Then he returns for part 8, Jason takes Manhattan.
Then Jason goes to hell the final Friday in which he also
played Freddy Krueger's Claude glove hand and he was Jason and
Jason X and one in the video game Friday the 13th the game.
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He is also known for his role asVictor Crowley in the Hatchet
series. He also played Leatherface
during the stunts of Leatherface, The Texas Chainsaw
Massacre 3 and the motion capture in the video game The
Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Correct me if I'm wrong, did the
same guy who directed this one direct the hatchet movies?
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Yes, I think so. OK.
Yeah, I think that was on there,yeah.
And then Kane hotter also plays like a guard, security guard or
something. And and one of them, and it's
Jason, goes to Hell. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK, Yeah, which is common. We see that a lot in you know
what. We've seen it more often where
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the person like the Pred, the guy who played the Predator and
Predator, he was the helicopter pilot at the end.
So you get to see them out out of outside of the makeups.
And then a Wes Craven's new nightmare.
Robert Englund played Robert England, Yeah.
So in Kane Hotter's book Unmask,the true story of the world's
most prolific cinematic killer, he notes that one of the fondest
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memories of the Part seven shootwas the film's costume
department, making his mother a custom Jason's Mom crew members
jacket, which he found very amusing.
He says that she would wear it during the whole final two
decades up until her passing. He noted that it would be over
90° in his hometown of Sparks, NV, but she would still proudly
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wear it to the grocery store hoping someone would say
something in case they inquired.Her purse was loaded with signed
autographs that he would send toher that were leftovers from his
convention appearances. He noted that at times it got
playfully embarrassing, but because it made her beam with
pride, he also oddly loved it and holds on to it as a positive
memory, so had to share that. That was a good, good little
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story there. I wonder if it had a hockey mask
on it or if it or if people walkin in the store were just like
oh cool, Jason's mom. Well, I think it was like, you
know, on the back it probably had the film load, you know, the
film title and then the the front.
Yeah, Jason's mom instead of hername.
But yeah, that, yeah, it would be funny.
So. But I wonder if the autographed
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pictures are just Jason, like him in costume.
It's not his face. Like, yeah, Are you sure this is
your son who's behind the mask? But, yeah, very, very good.
So next we got Laura Park Lincoln, one of the most
interesting actress names I've done, as Tina Shepherd.
She also appeared in the 1987 film House 2, the second story
as Kate, and the 1988 episode ofthe anthology horror series
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Freddy's Nightmares. She also appeared in the
television series Knots Landing from 87 to 91.
Yeah. So yeah, The producers, after
turning down Marta Cober, who appeared in Friday the 13th Part
2, and Carrie Noonan, who playedin Friday the 13th Part 6.
John Carl Buckler, the director,originally wanted Paula Irvine
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to play the role of Tina Shepherd because she was 19
years old at the time and had the perfect teenage look and the
personality he was looking for. Unfortunately, she was already
committed to * as Liz and Phantasm 2 that also came out in
88, so he was unable to cast herfor the role.
As John was running out of time,he was not able to find a real
teenager between 18 and 19 yearsold to play the role of Tina
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Shepherd. He had no choice but to cast
Laura Park Lincoln, who was 26 years old at the time.
She had to wear a lot of makeup to look approximately 8 years
younger than she looks, so the audience would think she's a
teenager. Did they really though?
Yeah, you also, you also got a love for an actor to hear he had
no choice but to hireright, right?
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Yeah. And so the producers also like
that. They said she resembled Sissy
Spacek, who played Carrie in thefilm.
Carrie. I didn't really see that.
I don't see that. Yeah, I didn't see that at all,
but can't believe everything youread on the Internet.
But what did you guys think of her as the main protagonist of
this for this this episode or this entry in the franchise?
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I thought she was great. No, I thought she was great.
She played the scared unknowing coming into her powers well, I
thought, Especially considering the other casting and the other
acting that you see in the movie.
Or like thereof. Yeah, right.
Other than other than Kane hotter being amazing, I thought
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she was the the second best. Obviously being the main
character we see the most of her, but right, I thought she
did a great job. Yeah, no, I I didn't mind her.
I like that she didn't go over the top with her psychic
ability. Yeah, kept it very, kept it very
subtle. You know, that's one thing that
probably is my biggest critique about Carrie and Sissy Spacek is
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the way she does her eyes and just the the snapping back and
forth. Yeah, I at least appreciated
that Tina Moore made it a constant, like she's
concentrating the type thing anddidn't make it, you know,
obvious of what she was. It has a couple of times where
she moves her head in the direction she's wanting
something to go, but I didn't mind it.
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I think she did a good job. Yeah, I I don't have any.
I don't have anything negative to say.
I don't think she was a standoutnecessarily.
Like, well, I'm not shocked thatI didn't see you're in a lot of
other movies. Like she's not my favorite final
girl of the series. I think there's been others that
were stronger than her. But once again, I don't really
have much to complain about. I think she did well with what
she had. You'll see as we go, there's
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not, I don't have much to talk about cast wise.
And I could even tell you right now, even going through the
cast, like I don't remember who anybody was.
There's so many. I mean, I'm used to there just
being people there for him to kill.
That just kind of happened to, you know, come into frame at the
wrong time, you know, coming to the scene at the wrong time.
But there was no real relationship between the people
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for that. Like, they weren't, they didn't
seem like a good group of friends that you got to know.
Like it seems like in the other movies there was maybe a little
bit more time showing them as friends.
Here. You knew they, you know, she was
the outsider. Of course, Tina was the outsider
and but the one psycho girl thatwas obsessed with Nick.
Nick, where's Nick? But everybody else were just
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like, I'm, I'm just like, oh, these are just bodies for him
to, you know, for him to kill. But I couldn't tell you anyone's
name. And even I struggled to remember
Tina and Nick for the most part.But yeah.
So let's talk about Nick. Or the one that played Nick
Rogers, Kevin Blair, probably best known for his roles as
Doctor Craig Wesley on the soap opera Days of Our Lives and
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Jonas Chamberlain on the ABC soap opera One Life Live.
Those are the two most soap opera names, Craig Wesley and
Jonas Chamberlain. So yeah.
So it's well known that Alar Park and Kevin did not get along
while making Friday the 13th TheNew Blood, despite playing on
love interest so much that Spurtis wrote his own script
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with a Friday the 3rd 8 where the Nude Blood was only a dream
and his character Nick killed Tina.
On the deluxe edition Blu-ray commentary, Laura's notes that
while she and Co star Kevin did not initially get along on set,
a mid 2000s convention appearance brought them together
under much calmer non film related circumstances.
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They soon began having dinner after an appearance regularly
and soon after became very closefriends.
She even noted that she that he sang to her daughter as she was
as she took the crown from Miss Texas just some years before the
commentary. The two now chuckle that they
initially didn't get along, yet now are very close knit friends.
So good to know they they workedit out but I didn't really see
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the chemistry between them. No.
Well, there's a good reason for that.
I don't know if you're aware. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, we, I
wasn't going to get that part ofit, but yeah.
But he, yeah, he he played for the other team.
We'll just put it that way. So did pretty much every other
male actor that is in this movie.
Yes, yeah, that's I read that that as well.
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So. So there was, there wasn't a lot
of chemistry with any of them, right?
Right, Which which I think whichonce again makes it even more
awkward that there's not real chemistry with anybody like it
just nobody seems like a real couple at all.
They're just like, they're just making very.
Forgettable. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, Yeah. OK, we'll get into it.
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So Susan Blue, who played AmandaShepherd, Tina's mother, All I
had to. I didn't think there was much
here, but she's a very well known voice actress.
She voiced RC in Transformers the Movie in seasons three and
four of Transformers. She's also known for playing the
roles of Stormy, Mary Phillips and Lindsay Pierce, and the 80s
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animated series Jim. She also served as a casting and
voice director for A Handy Manny, for which she also guest
starred as Marian. So there you go.
She was a well known voice actress and then the only name
on this cast list that I recognized Terry Kaiser is
Doctor Chris Cruz. Who's best known for name?
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The deceased title character Bernie Lum X and the comedy
Weekend at Bernie's and its sequel Weekend at Bernie's 2
Yep, good old Bernie, which is crazy go ahead, I.
Was going to say for for the people out there of the younger
generation, as you point out, the guy who played Eddie, I
don't remember his real name, but he was a voice actor.
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He did some of the voices on Dexter's lab and he was voice of
Johnny Bravo. He was, Yep, Johnny Bravo.
OK. So that's that's pretty cool.
That's like I said, that resonates with me more.
But I had no and he doesn't looklike he would voice Johnny
Bravo. But I mean, I believe it.
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Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I don't think, I don't
think I had him down. And going back to Terry Kaiser,
yes, Mia's, Mia's the Superman guy.
He played and and bearing my last name.
He played HG Wells on The New Adventures of Lois and Clark in
the 90s. Very cool.
Yep. But it was crazy for me because
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I did when I started watching it, I didn't look at like what
year it came out and I was kind of confused because I was like
it feels more like a mid 80s like 8586 like even.
I mean Weekend to Bernie's came out a year later and he looks so
much older and weekend at Bernie's.
So maybe they made him wanted tobe younger and look older or
whatever, but it just seemed like it was hard for me to
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believe this was made in 88. It just didn't seem to have the
same kind of the quality or it just looked older.
The only other cast mate that I'll really kind of talk about
only because she had, she did some things.
Elizabeth Keiten as Robin Peterson, she was the redhead.
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She made her. If that's the only reason I had
to put that there. So I remember who she was.
She made her film debut in the raucous comedy Waitress in 1981.
She had a one line mid part as aGerman girl in Woody Allen
Zelig. She moved to Los Angeles in
1984. She alternated between lead and
supporting roles in a bunch of entertainingly trashy low budget
exploitation features in the horror, action, comedy and
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science fiction genres. She appeared as Candy in the
Vice Academy film series. Her other memorable parts
include Jennifer Staten in Silent Night, Deadly Night Part
2 in 87. She was the She was in Slave
Girls from Beyond Infinity in 87, Assault of the Killer Bimbos
in 88 there. You go.
The Gretchen Hope and Rollerblade warriors taken by
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force and 89 Yeah, so. Love those titles.
Yeah, figured they were so fun Ihad to share them.
So her death scene had to be reshot after principal shooting
on the movie had wrapped in Alabama.
She was originally killed by Jason by having her stomach cut
open with a machete, but the makeup appliance underneath her
shirt was noticeable, so the scene had to be reshot in Los
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Angeles with her being thrown out of a window by Jason
instead. And of course we know this was
just like the similar kill from Was It The One wasn't the one
before this one? It was it was was that 5I?
Don't know there's so many throwing.
Out the. Windows and.
Yeah, somebody rolling. Yeah, although I will say no one
has ever been thrown out a window and landed so soft.
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Yeah, yeah, I think I read they were like the other girl that
got thrown out, landed on the car, which is probably what
killed her. And they said with her only
coming falling out of the secondstory window, she probably would
have been hurt but probably didn't die.
Yeah, wouldn't have died. Yeah, but we don't see her
again. So you assume that's what
happened. So did you recognize the voice
at the beginning as the narrator?
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So there there are two theory orthose two?
There are not 2 theories, there's 2 reports. 1 is that
it's Walt Gordy who played CrazyRalph in the 1st 2 entries.
Returning from the dead. Exactly.
And there's another one that said it was Stacy Keach senior
who did the voice over. But I want to go with Walt
Gordy. And I like to know that he came
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back. It was his final role before he
passed away. Thought that was worth
mentioning. And then the director, John Carl
Buckler, made a cameo. He was the firefighter who picks
up Jason's broken mask at the end.
Good for him. Yeah.
Had to be seen. All right.
Anybody else on the cast that I I know we you mentioned the one
that I didn't mention that was Johnny Bravo's voice.
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But anybody else that you thought was worth mentioning?
Nope. Other than other than maybe just
to throw her out the I don't know her name, but the young
Tina. Yeah.
Yeah. Am I the only one who when I was
younger before I knew better, who thought she was the girl
from Poltergeist? As soon as it started, I was
like, is that the same? Yeah, I thought.
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I thought the. Same.
Am I watching the wrong horror movie?
I. Was like, I don't remember, you
know, when I did poultry, I justremember saying that she was in
this movie. Yeah, she gets just like her,
but I know she's in is in one ofthe Leatherface movies.
Really. Yeah, she she plays
Leatherface's daughter or something.
I'm not. It's in the one that's called
Leatherface. OK, when you said the daughter,
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I at least know which movie it is.
Still couldn't tell you her namebut.
Right. But it's the one that it's Texas
Chainsaw Massacre. Three.
Yeah, it's called Leatherface. OK.
Yeah, because Kane Hotter was one of the stuntmen in that one.
So, yeah, this is going to be a tough one for me.
Iconic scenes. Is there a scene in this movie
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like someone had said? Yes, the new yes, there is.
OK. All right.
What's What's the scene? The sleeping bag to the tree.
OK, OK, that is an iconic Jason kill.
Yeah, I agree with that. So yes.
Now, if you were, if you were tosay which movie was it from, I
probably wouldn't have been ableto tell you that it was from
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this particular movie. But if you're just asking what
is an iconic scene from this movie, Yeah, that's it.
OK. For sure, I agree with that
statement. Yeah.
And there's not really a scene, but just another iconic, I guess
moment is a lot of the stunts that Jason takes.
Obviously we've we've praised Kane hotter.
Kane hotter, yeah, that's all him.
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But like, some of the stunts that he takes in this are just
absolutely memorable and slightly psychotic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the walk, the walk, Yeah.
He he he gets whatever everybodypictures of Jason is Kane
hotter. I would bet money the way that
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Kane the way that he walks the way that he like sometimes
before a kill, you'll see him take a breath in and he moved
his shoulders come up. You know, it's like here we go
and, you know, kill somebody. The turn he makes with his head
before he moves his body. That's great.
I did get a kick out of there was 1 scene.
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I think he's behind a tree and he kind of does a peekaboo or
yeah, yeah, kind of humorous, but still, yeah, no Kane, the
Kane hotter and the way as Charlie saying that just this
Jason, this Jason is is iconic. And he also kind of pulls like a
Michael Myers and he'll admire some of his kills.
He doesn't do it every single one of them, but a lot of them,
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he just has that extra one or two seconds or he just looks at
him or is like, yeah, I did that.
But we talked about Charlie mentioned earlier about the, you
know, the teleporting Jason, which people always talk about,
like, how did he get there? How did he get in this movie?
I'm going, where did he get thatweapon?
Yeah, yeah. Especially after he kills Tina's
mom, which he he just does with whatever that thing is.
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But it's just, you know, a standard little weapon.
And then all of a sudden he's going after Doctor Cruz with a
weed eater with a, with a, a sawblade attached to it.
Where did he get that? Where was that?
Just laying in the woods. He's just placed things around.
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Yeah, I did see somewhere a little fun.
Fact is, that's the only motorized weapon in the entire
Friday franchise that Jason getsa kill with.
That is the only one. Everything else is a, you know,
standard. Blunt object.
Shetty Axe. Yeah, yeah.
His hands squeezing someone's head.
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Yeah, yeah. Which that one he does several
times, yeah. He's good at that one.
I will say, like one of my otherfavorite ones when you're
talking about the walk is whoever the party was for that,
the cousin that was running latewhere he was using the bathroom.
He kills the girlfriend and thenhe starts to run and Jason does
the walk and I'm like, oh, here we go.
He's going to catch up with him.Like Nope, He just takes the
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knife out and just throws it andhits him in the back.
I was like, that's cool. Like I'm not I'm not even going
to chase you. I'm just going to kill you from
here. So that was that was one of my
that's probably, you know, second definitely to the
sleeping bag. But that was that was one that
was probably one of my favorite kills as well.
So any other favorite scenes? No.
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I mean, just the fight scene, the where you actually get
Carrie versus Jason, That's that's yeah.
Yeah, talking about the stunts, like, you know, he was the
stuntman for when the the front of the house falls in on him.
He was a stuntman when the he falls through the Yeah.
So talking, talking about when the roof falls down on him, do
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you know that that actually injured him?
Yeah. And he says the only reason he
did not sustain a serious injuryis because of the mask.
Wow, OK. And if you look very closely,
the stunt woman that's playing Tina, you know, you see her from
behind right before it cuts, Yousee her flinch because she
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realizes what just happened to. Kane Yeah, I think I read too.
Like when you fell through the floor.
Like he barely missed one. Like more of the floor broke
than they thought, and he barelymissed getting the back of his
head on one of the open. It wasn't so much that, more of
it. It's just he almost went too
far. Well, gotcha, yeah.
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And his head, if he had been just a couple of inches farther,
his head would have hit a stationary step that wasn't
designed to to break, Right. Yeah, yeah.
And then of course, y'all mention the fire.
And I think at the time, the time of this movie, that was the
longest. Recorded.
Yep. It was the first time that it
was. You saw it lit on film.
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Like typically they do it separate, but he actually had an
igniter on him that caused him to catch fire.
You see it on camera and then hewent 40 seconds, which at that
time was the record for the longest.
Longest burn? Yep, Kane hotter is awesome.
And the other crazy thing is he had already done a fire stunt
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and got burned. Seriously.
Yeah. He's got he's got a score.
Yeah, world record burn. So he might actually be crazy.
Well, you know he has the word kill tattooed on the inside.
Of his bottom, yeah. Yeah, not where I'd want to put
a tattoo. No, I I don't have any tattoos.
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I don't either. I could.
I can't even imagine what that would feel like.
I don't like needles anyway, That's why I don't have a
tattoo. But I can't even imagine, you
know, it's hard enough. Thing is going to be on my arm
or something that's not that sensitive.
I don't even like getting my teeth cleaned.
Come on, you. All right, Well, let's jump into
some scenes and trivia. Mentioning the sleeping bag
scene, a cane Hotter said he haddifficulty with the scene
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because a bashing in the tree because the dummy and the fake
blood inside was heavier than hethought it would be.
The scene required a number of retakes because he kept swinging
as hard as he could. But no matter how hard he swung
the sleeping bag, he couldn't get it to look right.
By the final take, he was so fedup with the situation that after
he dropped the bag, he kicked itangrily.
This is the shot that appears inthe final film.
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In retrospect, he says that is one of his favorite kills and he
later recreates and Jason X. But yeah, but also they said
that in the in the version we have, he only hit, she only hits
the tree once. But in the uncut scene he
actually like 6 or 7 times, likeit was multiple times and every
time he would hit, it would hit the tree.
You would see more blood come through the sleeping bag.
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So, but they had him cut it. Stupid MPA, right?
And they said there's it there you can find like fan made
directors cuts or like an unedited, but the film quality
is very poor because they said they didn't they were, you know,
back then they weren't thinking about director's cuts.
They were getting rid of the extra film.
So so they've talked about that.Just don't, you know, you're not
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going to find a director's cut that's going to be of good
quality. But they say there's some out
there on the Internet if you want to search.
I said another, another trivia. Director John Karl Buckler
stated that he clashed with associate producer Barbara Sax
continuously over many ideas that he had for the film.
This included showing Jason unmasked for quite a bit of the
movie, which we saw that at the end she vetoed the idea but he
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ended up filming it behind her back.
He also stated the final sequence of Tina's father coming
out of the water was to be more elaborate and feature a full
prosthetics and a life-size dummy.
That sequence was completely overruled.
End up filming what he considersan inferior version of the idea.
We what we've said before we start recording.
Worst ending ever. Like even when I watched his
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day, I said I hadn't seen it before.
But when she would like when Jason was coming at her and the
boyfriend Nick was in the boat and I was like, please no, do
not tell me the dad is coming out of the water.
And as soon as he popped up, I was like, you have got to be
kidding me. Like there is no way.
How did this? How did this get approved?
Yeah, and and two things. One is he looks great.
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Yeah, for for the fact that he'sbeen under the water for 10
years. But second, why has he been
under the water for 10 years, right?
Why was his body never recovered?
It's not like they didn't know where it was.
There's just, I guess something about getting bodies out of
Crystal Lake. They just don't do it.
Yeah, Yeah, they. Don't know what they're going to
find down there. No, I, I actually.
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So that's my next point. Writer Daryl Haney admits the
conclusion of Tina's dead fathercoming to Lake to save her was a
stupid mistake. Rector thought if they could, if
they were going to do it, then Tina's dad needed to come up
looking almost as decayed as Jason, since he was supposed to
have been dead at the bottom of the lake for just as long.
Scenes were shot with actor JohnAutryn in full makeup, but
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Buckler was overruled by Co producer Barbara Sachs, who
thought this effect looked equalparts disgusting and silly.
So instead, they threw some traces of mud on his face and
called it good. Fans have since theorized that
the father is not his revived corpse, but only a manifestation
of Tina's powers due to his lackof decomposition, the
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unexplained appearance of the chain that he carries, and
because his body would have undoubtedly have been recovered
from the lake after the death. Which it isn't that large.
Yeah, which isn't that large or deep.
So yeah, fan theories can try tohelp you, but it's still
terrible ending. Yeah, I mean, it would be
different if there was proof that she could actually manifest
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something. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Maybe, you know, I don't know.
Then again, then it kind of getsinto Nightmare on Elm Street of
where she I'm going to imagine that I'm holding a sword and
then she's holding a sword, right.
Yeah, that gets that gets into Freddy territory there if you
ask me. But I also liked when they they
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kind of first encounter and I know it's it's Tina doing it,
but it's like all of a sudden Tina and Jason are standing in
the woods from Evil dead when you have the the tree come up
and attack just again, Evil Deadfan.
So I could help but make that connection.
I, I I had the same, I thought the same connection too.
One thing I wish they would theywould have done more because she
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has the vision of the cousin getting murdered.
Like I was expecting to see thatmore like her having visions of
the kills before they happened. But if she saw her mom, but
that, you know, but I just felt like there I thought there would
have been more of that. Like they could have played that
up a little bit more. But for an hour and 28 minutes,
there's only so, you know, and so many people to kill because
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there was a lot of teenagers at that party.
They they needed about 3 less. I think it would have been OK.
So when you bring that up her her seeing the original guy
again, we don't know any of these people's names.
They're so forget important whenshe sees his death and then
she's running back to her house and she sees the whatever it is
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metal rod, the metal thing sticking in the back door.
She tells doctor Cruz and her mom about Doctor goes out.
It's not there. Was it there?
Now that you're saying all this,she manifests.
Stuff and sees stuff. Was it there?
Well, he has it in his desk drawer, so I'm assuming he got,
he took it out, he took it hit it because we don't see him.
We don't see him look at it. He just go.
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He just comes back in and calls them out to come look at it.
So you don't actually. See, they look out there, they
have the there's the hole that it Yeah, the.
Hole is there, yeah. OK, yeah, so it I guess I was
just trying to to think maybe they thought that was a
manifestation. I don't know her, her powers are
so inconsistent. Yeah, exactly what they are and
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how they work and and all make no sense.
Another one of my favorite like stupid things, which there's
always been a stupid thing in a horror movie, is Nick, the
boyfriend has seen her do all these things to him to try to
kill him. When he gets back up, he pulls
out the gun and starts shooting.Like, dude, you think the
bullets are going to? He's hit him with nails already.
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She's hitting with, you know, the house has fallen on top of
him. The guns really going to work,
you know, I just like why it wasjust so useless.
I have nothing good to say aboutthis ending because if you just,
if you just take out the dad, Mmhmm.
Take it like, make it like vinesor something.
She controlled that. She's been controlling the
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matchbox and the other thing. Make it vines that she pulls
them down there or the chain that he was stuck down there
with before. Yeah.
Just like wrap around them. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's then it then you go back and you think, OK, well,
they only put that very beginning scene in there just so
you could recall it back in the end of the movie.
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And it's just like, what are we doing?
And like you said, with the likegrowing in her powers, Tim, like
to bet you weren't a story writer in 1988 because that is
10 times better than what we sawon film.
And the ending is just like, of course it's not a good movie,
but it has certain expectations,I guess.
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The. 7th And you just it's got to be better than that.
But it wasn't. That's that's why they fell
apart. Yeah, yeah.
I don't understand why she didn't use her telekinesis
powers to like, RIP his arm off or like, you know, hold him down
or something. It was just yeah, throwing.
TV at him. Yeah, yeah.
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Just like she squeezed the mask and like he started oozing
whatever. Yeah, that again it it kind of
worked. Right, Right.
Yeah. But I agree her powers are
inconsistent, but she's also just starting to learn them.
But of course, at that moment, at the end, she has enough power
to bring her father out of the water.
So. Yeah, I don't know.
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You make go back to the Carrie reference.
I mean, you go back to Carrie. Like Carrie, once she realizes
she has those abilities, like she figures out how to use them.
Yeah, yeah. You know, that that's one of the
things that works so well in Carrie is that she has full
control over what she's doing. By the time you reach that prom
scene, it's not just, you know, her going crazy, it's her going
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crazy and then using her powers the way she has learned how to
use them. So yeah.
But I also going back to the beginning, I I love that what
the first 3 minutes of this movie is just saying, you know,
just in case you didn't see the 1st 6 movies.
Right, right. And most of that footage of them
showing the the tombstone is just reused.
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Not even movie footage. But the trailer for Jason Lives.
Like it wasn't even in the movie.
That was from the trailer, Yeah.Yeah, good stuff.
Yeah, when it started, I was like, wait a minute, this is the
next movie, right? Like when he, when I saw him,
when they like him coming back to life in the grave, I was
like, wait a minute, I've seen this one already.
Are we not redoing this one again?
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Are we? So yeah.
Yeah, and and not, but not to jump ahead because I'm sure the
three of us will cover Part 8 aswell, but in my personal
opinion, Part 8 is worse than this one.
I'm just going to go ahead and. CC agrees with that.
Yeah, I know Part 7 is usually on the bottom when you you see
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rankings. Yeah, I know this one's usually
on the bottom, but it's not. It's second to last for me.
Jason Take Manhattan is at the bottom.
Another one I have not seen yet.So.
So when we get to get to that one, it'll be it'll be fresh
eyes for me. Just skip it them.
You can't. It's an 80s.
Movie. We have to do it.
Without it, yeah, you you can just you can just get all your
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information and Charlie and I will fill in the.
Blanks and everything else. I'll, I'll give it to you guys.
You save me the trouble. Save me the trouble.
All right, Well, our my last little trivia.
Do you know why they called thismovie New Blood?
Is it a carry reference? Nope, I'll tell you this, the
director doesn't know either. Good job.
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It seems it seems like a fairly obvious reference to Tina
Shepherd stepping into Jason's new chief adversary after he's
battled Tommy Jarvis for three straight movies.
However, neither Daryl Haney, the scriptwriter, nor John Carl
Buckler had anything to do with attaching that particular
subtitle to the film. Butler simply want to call it
Friday the 13th, Part 7. The geese thought 7 was sort of
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a magical number, and to this day he doesn't fully understand
what new blood is supposed to mean.
I guess for a variety of reasons, Paramount couldn't be
honest and just call it Friday the 13th, Part 7.
Jason versus telekinetic teenagegirl who are not legally allowed
to refer as Carrie, or Friday the 13th, part 7.
Don't worry, we've only got two or three more of these left in
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US. Yeah.
Don't worry, we're almost done. Yeah.
Exactly. We've almost we've almost maxed
out. But also 1988 was the first year
which all three of the then top top horror series.
Halloween, Friday the 13th and I'm and Elm Street all released
new films in the same year. You had Friday, you had This
one, New Blood Nightmare, Elm Street, The Dream Master, and
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Halloween for the return of Michael Myers.
Additionally, the first Child's Play was also released in 88, as
were Hell Bound, Hellraiser 2 and Phantasm 2, all of which
would also become major horror series in their own.
So 88 was a good year for horror.
Well, maybe had a good year, butit was.
But it was a full. Year quantity.
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Quantity. That's not the quality.
Exactly. Exactly.
I mean, at least it wasn't Halloween five.
Yeah, so it was Halloween. Nightmare on Elm Street Part 4
is one of my favorites, so I'll get that.
Child's play. I've never been a huge I'm.
I love the Chucky movies but yeah the first one just is what
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it is if you ask me. I think I like the second one
and some and when he gets more comedic a little.
Bit later that's kind of how youknow, Friday the 13th.
I mean that nightmare Elm Streetlike they get more fun the more
zany or the more. Yeah, but then they got but
Yeah, but then they got bad withYeah child and yeah.
Did you say which hellraiser wasit 2 Two.
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Yeah. OK.
And to to me that one's better than the original.
What else? What else did you say?
Phantasm. Phantasm 2.
OK, yeah, I don't remember Phantasm 2, I remember Phantasm
one, but I don't remember Phantasm 2, so can't say much
about that one, but yeah. So yeah, quantity over quality,
but there were some good ones inthere.
All right, box office New Blood debuted at #1 at the box office.
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That was nothing else to watch. Yeah, there was no other new
releases. It opened on May 13th, Friday,
of course, an encouraging sign since Jason Lives had been the
1st Friday the 13th and not to debut at #1 Unfortunately, new
blood faded fast, ending with 19.1 million domestic, which was
slightly off of Jason Lives 19 point.
They were going down while Nightmare Elm Street was going
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up. Nightmare Elm Street 4 open
later that year, grossing $49.3 million.
So yeah, they're little. 19 wasn't even close to what?
Freddy was doing, but that stillmade it successful because it
wasn't only like a $2 million budget.
I mean, it made money, but it didn't make the kind of money
that they we're expecting. But I think that goes back to
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like, even though the previous movies made money, they never
put more money into the sequels.Like the sequels all looked
cheap because they wanted to make them cheap to get more
money on the back end. So yeah, The thing is why it
doesn't, it doesn't seem to looklike an 88 movie.
It looks more like a 8586 movie.Which Speaking of, go back a
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couple of weeks to my podcast, The Moving Panels, and check out
Tim and I talking about Superman4, talking about yeah, taking
money away from a sequel, and yeah, and it looking like crap.
Yeah, we're going to give you $50,000,000 to make this movie.
Oh sorry, make that 17,000,000. No, it's like make it
36,000,000. No, make it 17.
Million. Oh, sorry, we're out of money.
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Whatever. Whatever you have left to shoot,
you got to do it now. Yeah.
All right. Let's get into the rewatch
ability Nostalgia meter. This is our new segment.
We take a look at how well this 80s flick holds up today.
It is our way of measuring how enjoyable a movie is for repeat
viewings, along with the waves of nostalgia brings.
Here's how it works. Thinks is Charlie's first time
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using them, telling us his ranking.
Any number between 1:00 and 10:00 will do.
But here's some parameters for you to help you decide.
One at the bottom says, I saw itonce, and that was enough.
Right in the middle at the five is a good rewatch every couple
of years, maybe longer, and the much coveted #10 at the top is
highly rewatchable and full of nostalgia.
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I'm pretty sure I know where this is going to land for
everybody but Charlie. To give you a second to think
about it, I'll let Laramie go first.
Where does Nightmare switch to horror movies?
Where does Friday the 13th Part 7 land for you on the rewatch
ability nostalgia meter? OK, so I'm going to, I'm going
to give this two different aspects.
So if I am putting it like I talked about at the beginning
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where I am watching it because Iam watching all of the Friday
the 13th, that puts it puts it probably about like a six maybe.
If I include it as part of the series.
If I take it out all by itself, then I'm probably hitting the
2-3. It's still going to have the
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nostalgia factor for me, but therewatch ability, it's way down.
Yeah, the nostalgia factor keepsit from being a one, but yeah.
So yeah, two or three all by itself with the series, I'd say
probably a six. OK.
I don't have anything to counterthat.
What do you say, Charlie? I too, I'm going to give it 2
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grades. If you could give me a version
of just Kane Hotter, it's a solid 8, but you can't and so
adding in all the other garbage,it's a high 2.
Maybe low three. If it's Halloween, low 3.
Right, right. Oh gosh, yeah.
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This one doesn't have any nostalgia for me because like I
said, this is my first time watching it, so it's all about
rewatchability for me. And it's not very high.
So yeah, I was, I was kind of like Charlie.
I was like 2, maybe a three. Yeah.
So it's it's way, way at the bottom.
But I agree with you, Laramie. Like I would watch it again
because it's part of the series,but it's not if I'm picking one.
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If I'm picking one or two to watch out of the series, it's
not going to be my first, second, third, or even 4th.
Choice, yeah. All right, well, now it's your
turn, audience to let us know where you think it lands on your
rewatch ability nostalgia meter.So please let us know.
Reach out to us on the social media or you can send us an
e-mail at info@eightiesflickflashback.com.
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Well, gentlemen, I appreciate you talking about Friday the
13th. Once again.
It's been a fun ride. Anything to add before we wrap
it up? I'm a big fan of Carrie.
One thing I found interesting was that from pre production to
release date was only six months.
Yeah, I did see that. That's ridiculous, and no wonder
it's awful. Yeah, they were rushed because
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with the problems with getting a, when the the deal with
getting Freddie versus Jason fell through and then trying to
come up with a script casting and everything, Yeah, they they
were, they were, they didn't have much time to get it ready
for a Friday the 13th release. So for sure.
So, and I will say to anyone whomight check out the documentary,
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I think it's called Behind the Mask, they are going to tell you
that Jennifer Sullivan, who played Melissa.
Right, right. Passed away.
She did not. She did not.
She is still alive and well. She just escaped Hollywood and
is is just living her life. Yeah, I think they said they
that they were asking different people and they thought they
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were talking about a different Jennifer Sullivan that had
passed away. And so just it was a mix up with
the names. But yeah, I did read that as
well. Oh man, yeah.
I almost want to ask like Jeremyhas on his podcast, you're
pairing like if this is this might be a good one.
We didn't we didn't like this one.
So if you could refer something else that if they didn't want,
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if they watched this and needed something to kind of cleanse
their palate, what would you recommend after this one putting
you on? The I mean, are we going to
stick with a horror movie? Sure doesn't have to be.
OK, Carrie, let's go with Carrie.
Go see Carrie. Yeah, I was going to say,
sticking with the same cast and crew, you could go watch some
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Johnny Bravo. Yeah, I mean.
Look, you want, but you want a low budget Kane hotter killing a
bunch of kids hatchet like again, you stick with the same
director who said that this is the same director.
Yeah, I think so. But yeah, yeah, go, go see
Hatchet. Hatchet's fun and a lot.
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You get to see a lot more blood.And you don't just have to
imagine what Jason just did. So just seeing blood on their
shirts. Yeah, I'm sorry you called.
These are called slasher films. Yeah.
Yeah. I want, no offense, I want to
see the death. I want to see it happen, right?
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That's what this one should havebeen called.
The subheading should have been Jason or Friday the 13th 5.
Use your imagination. Yeah, that's a double meaning
there. Yeah, yeah, I think there was.
Yeah, I think the fans have given it.
I got to go back to my notes. The fans had renamed it after
all the cuts and they called it.The new cut.
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It's Friday the 13th. The new cut.
Instead of the new blood Friday the 13th and the no blood is
what the fans. Called it.
It's a good one. That's not bad.
Yeah. All right.
Thank you, gentlemen for being apart of the podcast.
We'll see you guys again next Friday, the 13th.
Of course, I'll probably have you guys on for other things as
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well, but thanks everybody for tuning in.
Thanks guys for joining. I'm Tim Williams for the 80s
flick flashback podcast. There's a legend around here, a
killer buried but not dead. A curse.
Jason Voorhees curse. They say he died as a boy but he
keeps coming back. Few have seen him and lived.
Some of you and tried to stop him.
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No one can.