A Nightmare on Elm Street

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SPEAKER_04 (00:09):
You've acting all this time.
And you've been acting like itwas something I made up.
Something wrong with you, you'reimagining things.
You'll feel better when yousleep.
It's just as simple as that.

SPEAKER_02 (00:30):
Hello and welcome to 80s movie montage.
This is Derek.

SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
And this is Anna.

SPEAKER_02 (00:34):
And that was Heather Langenkamp as Nancy Thompson
talking to Ronnie Blakely as hermom Marge Thompson in 1984's A
Nightmare on Elm Street.

SPEAKER_01 (00:44):
Marge.

SPEAKER_02 (00:44):
Marge.
I didn't know that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (00:47):
Also, you should know this.

SPEAKER_02 (00:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (00:50):
Welcome to our 150th episode.
That's right.
Yeah.
We can't afford the real, realnoise.
But yeah, it's our 150thepisode, and we get to celebrate
with a nightmare on Elm Street.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10):
It only took us 150 episodes to get to a nightmare
on Elm Street.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
Well, to be fair, we try, I break my own rule, but we
try not to do horror outside ofour Halloween series.
Yeah.
So that's look, that just showsyou how many awesome, I mean,
some maybe not so awesome, butmostly super awesome horror
movies there are from the 80s.
It's my favorite.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33):
There are a lot.
And this is one of them.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36):
Are you saying it's a horror movie from the 80s or
are you saying it's one of yourfavorites?

SPEAKER_02 (01:40):
I'm saying it's two of those three things.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42):
Two of those three things?

SPEAKER_02 (01:44):
It is a horror movie from the 80s, but it is not one
of my favorites.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47):
Okay, okay, okay.
Ooh, controversy.
Yeah, let's let's dive in.
There's obviously so much totalk about with this movie
because it's not just a horrorfilm from the 80s.
It kicked off one of the mostpopular horror franchises of all

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time.
It introduced one of the mostinfamous horror villains of all
time.

SPEAKER_02 (02:16):
It did.

SPEAKER_01 (02:17):
And, you know, made by an amazing filmmaker.
There's there's a lot, so let'sget into it.
And we're gonna start with thatamazing filmmaker, Wes Craven.

SPEAKER_02 (02:28):
He's he's uh he's big in this horror thing, isn't
he?

SPEAKER_01 (02:30):
He was, he's no longer with us.
He passed in 2015, um, which Iremember when he passed being
really sad about that.
I mean, he wasn't like I don'tknow, in his like 30s or 40s,
but it felt really young for himto pass away at that time.
But we are so lucky for what heleft to us in terms of the rich

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like cinema history that he'scontributed to.
And yes, you're absolutelyright.
Like he really I would say rightthere with John Carpenter, as
far as being known as one of themost maybe not prolific, but one
of the most well-known,well-respected horror filmmakers
of all time.

SPEAKER_02 (03:16):
Yeah.
No, I I I think that's that's Idon't I don't know why his films
didn't grab me the way thatCarpenter's or other horror
movies did.
Um last night was the first timethat I had ever watched the
movie from start to finish.
And I think we both noticedsomething at the very start that
like I didn't.

SPEAKER_01 (03:36):
I yes, I mean, I thought I had seen this movie in
its entirety more than once.
Yeah.
It had been a very long time,but I don't think I ever saw the
intro where he's making hisfingers.

SPEAKER_02 (03:50):
Yeah, he's like making the glove.
He's he he's a big fan of theX-Men of Wolverine.

SPEAKER_01 (03:56):
I when we were watching it, I was like, is this
actually part of the movie?
Like, I I was like so stunnedthat I had never caught that
before.

SPEAKER_02 (04:06):
So fun fact, when he first put the glove on, uh
Robert England actually cuthimself.

SPEAKER_01 (04:12):
Oh, that is actually a very fun fact.

SPEAKER_02 (04:14):
Yeah.
Because as as we were watchingit get made, I'm like, how do
you fucking even wear thatwithout cutting yourself?
That's the neat part.

SPEAKER_01 (04:21):
You don't see the funny thing is, is like
obviously they used somethingthat was very akin to real
blades for him to cut himself.
Which is like, you didn'texactly have to do that.

SPEAKER_02 (04:31):
You didn't have to make it a real thing.

SPEAKER_01 (04:32):
However, I'll say this.
This kind that kind of tracksbecause when we were watching it
for the first time, and I'm I'mreally like not this is not
gonna be an episode where I'mlike bagging on this film, I
promise.
But I was like, oh, this movie'sa little bit more rough around
the edges than I remembered.
Like in terms of productionvalue.

SPEAKER_02 (04:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (04:52):
And so I'm not surprised that they probably
just like it probably was likecheaper to just like go with
something that was like realreal blades instead of trying to
do something fancier that mighthave protected the actor.

SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
But when you when you use about 500 gallons of
fake blood, you know, that eatsinto the budget.

SPEAKER_01 (05:07):
There's a lot of blood.
There's a lot of blood.
But let's uh let's dive intoKraven's filmography.
So just to put it out there, heboth wrote and directed this
film.
So there's gonna be a lot ofoverlap between the two
categories because I do like toseparate them out.
We're gonna start with hiswriting credits.
Okay.
And so preceding this film, hehad a couple horror films on uh

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on the docket.
That's not exactly right, butstarting with The Last House on
the Left.
I mean, very well-known horrorfilms.
The Hillsheav Eyes, uh part two,I think, came after Nightmare on
Elm Street, but I always justkind of put the sequels
together.
Swamp Thing.
And then so we get to Nightmareon Elm Street, and I guess this

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is maybe as good a place as anyto talk about why this and New
Nightmare were the onlyNightmare and Elm Street films
that he directed.
He's gonna get writing creditsfor everything because he
originated the material, butit's clear that like first of

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all, he didn't he didn't reallyeven want there.
He it was kind of a carpenterthing.
He didn't really want there tobe a sequel.
He was like kind of upset withthe way that ending, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (06:25):
He just wanted he wanted her, Nancy's character to
have the ending that itdeserved.
Right.
You know, and the studio verymuch wanted a setup for a
franchise.
Yeah, and and Craven hated that.
Yes, the ending that you see.

SPEAKER_01 (06:38):
And that is why he is not directing most of the
films until we get back to NewNightmare because of the fallout
between him and the studio.

SPEAKER_02 (06:48):
Um, so creatively, I'm on the side of Kraven, but
it's it's literally called likethe studio the film house that
that Freddie puts.
Right, right.
Like so financially,commercially, they probably made
the right call.
Although you can end it howeveryou want, and you can just
figure out a way to start thenext one.

SPEAKER_01 (07:08):
Yeah, and I mean I'm sure that they're well, I'm not
gonna speak on his behalf.
I don't know how he felt aboutthe whole situation, but I would
like to think that even if hewas unhappy with like
story-wise, maybe where theywent with the franchise in a lot
of regards, hopefully it broughthim some pride that he created a

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character that was so belovedeven as a horror villain that
people kept wanting to see moreFreddy Krueger.
So I I would be proud of thatthat I created something like
that.

SPEAKER_02 (07:41):
So he the Freddy Krueger character is this like
beloved, I guess, like uh horrorcharacter because of how like
snarky and like the personalitybegin to really amp up in the
subsequent films.
Yeah, because you I was gonnasay you don't get really much of
that in the first one.

(08:01):
Like his his uh his lines arelike weak in some areas where
like the most menacing thing hesays is like, gonna get you.

SPEAKER_01 (08:09):
Yeah, he doesn't have a lot to say.

SPEAKER_02 (08:11):
Um they really like build on that in in all the
subsequent movies, right?

SPEAKER_01 (08:16):
What I appreciate even with this first film is
that I think as a villain, theydo differentiate him from what
we've already seen in terms ofMichael Myers and Jason
Voorhees.
Yeah, for sure.
Like, first of all, he speaks.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (08:31):
So there's that.
Him saying anything.
Like, imagine if Jason was like,gonna get you.

SPEAKER_01 (08:38):
So, first of all, here he he talks to his victims.

SPEAKER_03 (08:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (08:43):
And while I do think that there is an element of cat
and mouse with both Jason andMichael as well, it's to me much
more overt with Freddy Kruegerin that he's he's toying with
his victims, he's playing withthem.

SPEAKER_02 (08:58):
He enjoys tormenting them, like he enjoys the
torment.
The first time you really seethe full like character is in
one of Tina's nightmares.
And it's the scene where hisarms are like hilariously
extended.

SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (09:13):
So just right off the bat, you get the sense like,
oh, this is gonna be this isgonna be bizarre.

SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
Yeah.
So I I really do appreciate thatabout this new character that
was created.
So I did feel like Craven did anamazing job of like, especially
when it has to be in his head ashe's writing this, like, okay,
look, we already have a MichaelMyers, we already have a Jason
Voorhees.
How do I create a villain thatdoesn't look like I'm just like
spoofing them and and likemaking it my own?

SPEAKER_02 (09:42):
And also, like um Myers and Voorhees are like like
you you cannot kill them.
They are immortal for no realreason.
But to say that Freddie is likethis like quasi-ghost, undead,
evil spirit that that exists indreams, well, okay, cool.

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So like you can't you can't nowhe's unstoppable for a good
reason.

SPEAKER_01 (10:05):
That's an excellent point.
I didn't even that even occur tome in this conversation is that
like a huge differentiator isthat like obstensibly Michael
Myers and Jason Voorhees areliving beings, even though, like
you just said, they've shownthat like they're more than
mortal because they should havedied in a lot of especially like

(10:25):
Jason Voorhees, there's a lot ofconfusion around like how did
this guy like I thought hedrowned, what is he?

SPEAKER_02 (10:32):
No, he's on a spaceship, what's happening?

SPEAKER_01 (10:35):
So there's there's a lot of question marks around
that as well.
But you're absolutely right thatlike uh a huge difference is
that Credit uh Freddie Krueger'sdead.
I was trying to say CreddyCreddy Kruger.
He's dead.
So, and I asked you that lastnight when we were watching this
for the podcast.
Like, what would you considerhim?
Is he a ghost?
Like, is like what what kind oflike entity is he?

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And I don't think that's quitedefined.
I think there is a ghost elementbecause he's a he was human, he
died, but he is still in somerealm.

SPEAKER_02 (11:06):
He was a uh he was someone's sleep demon before
people started using the phrasesleep demon.

SPEAKER_01 (11:11):
Yeah, yeah.
So, and another thing too that'sI think really interesting is
the fact that like with bothMichael Myers and Jason
Voorhees, you can tie back theirstories to something traumatic
that either happened to them orthat they did as a child.
Whereas Freddie Kruger, at leastlike in the in the subsequent

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stories, you learn about likehow his mother conceived him and
all of that kind of stuff.
But in this first movie, he'sjust an adult, he was an adult
guy who killed children.

SPEAKER_02 (11:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:45):
So a very different kind of like a uh origin story.

SPEAKER_02 (11:49):
It yeah, it it almost um it was very light on
the or like it gets right intoit.
Like this movie Right into it.
This just yeah and in spite ofthat, there's only three people
I think that are killed in theentire movie.

SPEAKER_01 (12:03):
Yeah, it it is a really contained film um that
gets like right right to itimmediately.
And I I suppose I'm a littlespoiled by like I I don't know.
There's something that I doreally like about knowing more
about origin stories andunderstanding more of the
context around what's happening.

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That felt a little lacking tome, but it's not really much
different than like, say, thefirst Friday the 13th, where
just all of a sudden we get aton of exposition at the very
end.

SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
Yeah, they didn't even really like Jason Voorhees
isn't even right.

SPEAKER_01 (12:39):
He's he's obstenbly dead in the first movie.
Like, yeah.
But like his mom goes on thewhole tangent about like why
she's doing what she's doing.
But I would have liked to,especially once March starts
revealing to uh to Nancy whythis is happening or what they
did.
I was like, can we learn alittle bit more about what the

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hell is going on?

SPEAKER_02 (13:02):
And I almost put that in for the uh intro clip,
but it was just she really goeson for quite a long time talking
about Fred Krueger and all thekids he killed and how he got
off on a technicality in termsof like serving any prison time.
And and then she like revealsthat she she has kept the uh

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nightmarish glove with theblades.

SPEAKER_01 (13:24):
Why would you keep that?

SPEAKER_02 (13:25):
In like well, I I don't know what that was in, not
in their boiler or something,but somewhere in their basement.

SPEAKER_01 (13:30):
Yeah, yeah.
No, it was yeah, I don't knowwhat the the thing was that she
was keeping it in.
Like some kind of like oven.

SPEAKER_02 (13:39):
Marge, huge alcoholic.
I wonder if it has anything todo with like her and the other
parents murdering the personthat was killing a bunch of
kids.

SPEAKER_01 (13:47):
Yes.
It it's fascinating to me.
I also, you know, this is notthe first time this come up.
Other people, I've seen thislike online with people asking,
like, how did none of theseteenagers ever hear of Freddie
Krueger?
Yeah.
You know, I mean, that's apretty big story.
I know you made the point.
Well, like, if we're talkingabout the 80s, there's not the
internet, it was like a loteasier to keep information

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contained.
But I feel like there would havebeen stories about this guy.
Because the thing is, is thatwhen the parents, like she says,
I'm a parent, I was a parent.

SPEAKER_03 (14:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (14:15):
Well, Nancy appears to be an only child.
So Nancy was already born whenall this went down with them
killing Fred Krueger.

SPEAKER_02 (14:23):
So it's like it in in the But then Glenn's parents
don't seem to give any sensethat they knew about it.

SPEAKER_01 (14:29):
I don't know.
Like it's hard to say becauselike we don't we don't get a lot
about them.
But like Tina's only 15.
So my my sense is that Nancy andGlenn and Rod, Rod looks a
little older, but like thatthey're around the same age.
So let's say Nancy was like two,two or three, maybe when this
happened.
That's only that's only a barelya decade removed.

SPEAKER_02 (14:49):
We never find out how old Rod is, do we?

SPEAKER_01 (14:51):
No, we don't.

SPEAKER_02 (14:52):
Which which I feel is kind of important given that
we don't find out that Tina is15 until after her and Rod have
sex.
Correct.
Which which makes the questionof his age a little bit more
relevant.

SPEAKER_01 (15:04):
But okay.
So let's we have not even gottenthrough the writing credits yet.
What's craven?
So what's craven?
So here we go.
Like again, even though therewas kind of a falling out, he
wasn't really on board with manyof the films until New
Nightmare.
He does have writing credits forA Nightmare on Elm Street 2,
Freddy's Revenge, 3, DreamWarriors, 4, The Dream Master.

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It's not called Five, but it'sjust called, I think, The Dream
Child, The Final Nightmare.
And then he does come back, andI'll get into all his directing
credits, but he does come backfor New Nightmare, which he
writes.
Uh, outside of that, I mean,this is a franchise that has had
legs even outside of like film.
So there was a TV series calledFreddy's Nightmares.

(15:48):
Really?
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
And then there was the film,which it's fun, it's stupid.
Freddy versus Jason.
He has writing credit for that,of course.

SPEAKER_02 (15:57):
I'm gonna have to give that another shot.

SPEAKER_01 (16:00):
It's dumb.

SPEAKER_02 (16:01):
I I had it on the other day, but my my capacity
for dumb is so fucking highbecause I just watched Jason X.
Right.
It doesn't even get dumber thanthat.

SPEAKER_01 (16:11):
But it can it?
I will say I am totally a suckerfor when they do these like
franchise matches.

SPEAKER_02 (16:17):
Oh, yeah, no.
I'm gonna watch Freddy versusJason, then I'm gonna watch
Alien vs.
Freddy.

SPEAKER_01 (16:21):
Exactly, exactly.
So I do love them.
And then he is writing creditsfor the remakes of um There was
The Hills Have Eyes in 2006, andthen it's followed up right away
with The Hills Have Eyes uh twoin 2007, and then one of his
last credits is the remakethat's like completely
independent of like um any ofthe actors who are part of the

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original franchise, a Nightmarein Alm Street from 2010.

SPEAKER_02 (16:46):
Oh, okay.
I I did think it was interestingin this one.
He was just a guy that killedkids, and then in the 2010, he's
a child molester, and the reasonthey didn't make him that in the
original was because there werelike recent cases in California,
they didn't want it to seem likeit was connected.

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Connected.

SPEAKER_01 (17:08):
Yeah.
I mean, I think being a kidkiller is bad enough as it is.

SPEAKER_02 (17:13):
I think so.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (17:14):
Um it's an interesting choice that they
made.
I I don't know.
I'm not gonna go down, I don'twant to really go down a rabbit
hole of like child molaster,child killer.

SPEAKER_02 (17:23):
I don't know how they make those decisions.
I just know that they made itand that was the reason they
made it back then.

SPEAKER_01 (17:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (17:28):
So I don't know if 2010 they're like, yeah, we
finally get to do it.
Yeah I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (17:33):
So Wes Craven, the director.
Oh.
So a lot of what he wrote, hedid direct, but not everything.
So he did direct The Last Houseon the Left, he did direct The
Hills Have Eyes and part two,like the original films.
He did direct Swamp Thing, butuh even outside of things that

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he had written, like he uhdirected on the TV series of The
Twilight Zone for a minute.
The Rod Sterling ones or the NoThe New ones that but but when
we say new, we're still talkinglike 80s, I think.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (18:08):
That's fair.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (18:10):
He directed The Serpent and the Rainbow, The
People Under the Stairs.
As I've mentioned a couple timesat this point, he did come back
finally, and he and I I like NewNightmare.
I think it was a reallyinteresting concept.
It's very meta, is it?
The definition of, yeah.
Like if you're gonna talk abouta meta film, I think you would
just point to New Nightmare.

SPEAKER_02 (18:31):
I mean, I'll I'll give uh uh honorable mention to
the return of the living dead.

SPEAKER_01 (18:36):
Sure.

SPEAKER_02 (18:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (18:37):
But but I mean, New Nightmare, you've seen it,
right?
Like, I mean, they are talkingabout them, like they are the
actors and direct like they areall themselves in the film
talking about their characters,and that's more meta.
It it is like it it gets intolike multiple levels of meta.
It's it was a really fascinatingconcept.

(19:00):
Uh he directed, I thought thiswas funny, he did direct Vampire
Brooklyn.

SPEAKER_02 (19:04):
Oh, okay.
The one with uh Eddie Murphy.
Correct.

SPEAKER_01 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah.
And so here, here's what I findreally interesting about his
career is that you know, heoriginated a nightmare on Elm
Street.
He he was the original storymaker and storyteller of that
franchise.
However, he had a much longerstint as the director of an
entirely different franchise,which we all know as Scream.

SPEAKER_02 (19:31):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
So even though he did not, I mean, I'm sure he had
some maybe influence on, butlike Kevin Williamson is like
the the writer of the originalScream, and he was with it for a
while.
But it was Wes Craven whodirected the first Scream and
then two, three, and four.
I think he I think he might havedid he um was he still living

(19:53):
when one was directed uh withouthim being being at the helm of
the film?
I don't remember, but he hemight have passed the torch
before he passed away.
I don't I don't quite remember.
Uh, but he did direct the firstfour films.
And I wish, I I really don'twant to go down the rabbit hole,
although I'd love to in a lot ofways to go down the the scream

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rabbit hole because it's afascinating franchise and has
its own meta influences.
It very much does, yeah.
Meta, like as in, you know, likeum what's her name?
Uh Rose McGowan, the character.
She's wearing a shirt for someof the scenes in the film with
the 10 that is a direct nod toJohnny Depp in A Nightmare on

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Street because she's wearingthat 10 shirt.
Yeah.
So there's like it's so it's itis a very fun franchise,
especially that first film isjust Chef's Kiss.
It's perfection.
So I mean, I I have like my ownlittle hang-up about there being
the loophole of two killers, butI I liked it.

SPEAKER_02 (21:00):
I mean, it seemed it seems obvious in retrospect
because it's like how could theybut I I liked it as a way of
getting around it being likesome supernatural killer.
Sure.
It's just like two regularidiots.

SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
I'm just a little bit of a purist.
I like there to just be oneserial killer for a movie, but
anyway.
Um, this to me was so funnybecause it's like record
scratch.
So I'm listing horror afterhorror after horror film.
He also directed Music of theHeart.
Oh.
With um Meryl Streep and Red Eyewas one of his last directing

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credits.
So well, I'm sure he's gonna becoming up all throughout this
conversation.
But let's move on tocinematography.
Jacques Hakin.
What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 (21:48):
Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 (21:49):
He passed away very recently.
He passed away in 2023, and hehad he's he had some interesting
credits um over the course ofhis career.
I love this title.
I had to put it in.
I don't know what this movie is,but it's called They Went That
Away and That Away.

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So he shot that.
So obviously, because we'retalking about him, he shot the
original Nightmare and ElmStreet.
He does come back for aNightmare in Elm Street 2,
Freddy's Revenge.
He shoots that one as well.

SPEAKER_02 (22:22):
That's all he does is get revenge, really.

SPEAKER_01 (22:24):
I mean, yeah, and you made actually a very
excellent point when we werewatching it.

SPEAKER_02 (22:30):
They got revenge on you, man.
You're the one who killed allthe kids.
Yeah.
So now you're gonna go like,come on.

SPEAKER_01 (22:34):
You kind of deserve to die.
Just let it go, dude.
Yeah, you deserved all that.
He shot we're talking seriousmoney.
Okay.
Apparently, that's the film.
I do remember when this cameout, The Silence of the Hams.

SPEAKER_02 (22:47):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
The silence of the hams.
Like on every like, yeah, theparodies.
Correct.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:54):
He shot Bloodsport 2.

SPEAKER_02 (22:58):
I don't know.
I don't know about Bloodsport 2.
I have not seen that.
I I admire the purity ofBloodsport, the original.

SPEAKER_01 (23:06):
The purity?

SPEAKER_02 (23:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:07):
He shot some of the episodes of Team Knight Rider,
the TV show.
He shot the film Face of Terror,and then his final credit was a
film called Forgotten.
Okay, moving on to music, whichit's extremely subtle, I would
say, in this film, but it doesbecome, I would think, one of
the more well-known horrorscores.

(23:30):
You know, you know whatfranchise we're talking about
when you hear that, like thosepiano keys.
I can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 (23:38):
Uh I guess, I guess I do.
Yeah.
It it is um like it stands out.
Like you're gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01 (23:45):
Yeah.
So originated by CharlesBernstein, and he has come up
before, actually, and couldwell, I don't want I don't know
if I want to do this movie.
It's gonna be very, very, verylong.
He also, I'm getting out oforder, but he scored Cujo.

SPEAKER_02 (24:01):
Oh, no, I'm not.

SPEAKER_01 (24:02):
Yeah, I can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
I I have seen it and I've read the book, and I cannot
same, same.

SPEAKER_01 (24:08):
I saw it way too young.
But he has come up before.
It's been a minute, so let's goover some of his credits.
I have actually kind of you knowwhat's interesting?
I've said it a bazillion timesat this point.
I very rarely put down TVmovies.
However, maybe I said this thelast time we talked about him.
He had a really interestingcareer in that he has like

(24:30):
several very well-known TVmovies that I was like, okay,
well, let's let's include those.
Yeah.
Let's start with a couplemovies.
The man from Orgy.

SPEAKER_02 (24:41):
I didn't know if you're gonna To be fair, it is
the man from O-R-G-Y.

SPEAKER_01 (24:46):
Correct.

SPEAKER_02 (24:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (24:47):
It's an acronym.
A film that's called This Is aHijack.

SPEAKER_02 (24:52):
Okay.
I don't think you would announceit that way, but maybe sound it
sounds like uh it could happenin Pulp Fiction, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 (24:59):
Maybe.
He directed or I'm sorry, hescored a film called That Man
Bolt.
So he did the TV movie LookWhat's Happened to Rosemary's
Baby.
I have heard of that before.
As well as the TV movie Are Youin the House Alone?
Which sounds like kind of aripoff of When a Stranger Calls,

(25:19):
but Yeah, it very much does.
He uh scored the 1983 movieIndependence Day, has nothing to
do with aliens taking over theearth.
What?
Really?
Yeah, I did a quick look.
It's like a woman who I think islike trying to like find herself
and find so it's like herindependence day.

SPEAKER_02 (25:38):
That's a very different independence day.
Correct.

SPEAKER_01 (25:41):
Like I said, he scored Cujo.
So we brought him up for AprilFool's Day.

SPEAKER_02 (25:46):
Oh, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 (25:47):
Yeah.
So he did that.
And then some more TV movies.
He did Too Young to Die questionmark, which the only reason why
I remember is because it's likeuh a very, very, very young Brad
Pitt.
Oh, okay.
Who's in it?
And then he also scored the TVmovie Miss Ever's Boys, a TV

(26:08):
series called, and I I includedthis one just because he was
part of it for like I think along duration.
Uh a Lehole and Valentina, Ithink is how you say that.
And then lastly, the TV movieSharktopus versus Whale, I can't
say it.
Where wolf.
Whale wolf?
Whale wolf.

(26:29):
And I do remember bringing thatup the last time we talked about
him.

SPEAKER_02 (26:31):
Um the only thing I was gonna add, and it's
unfortunate that it's one yeartoo early, but 1979's Love at
First Bite with George Hamiltonas the uh vampire who believes
that this woman is thereincarnation of, you know,
that's kind of like Dracula'sstory, you know.
But I remember that being kindof like a cheesy, funny, like

(26:51):
vampire comedy.

SPEAKER_01 (26:53):
Okay, moving on to film editing.
So here is a little interestingtidbit.
In IMDB, we have two peoplecredited, although one is called
co-editor.
However, in the movie, if you'relooking at the opening credits,
there's just one person who'scalled out as the film editor.
That is Rick Shane.
So we're gonna start with him.

(27:15):
And I have all films for him.
He's kind of all over the placein terms of I think he might, I
don't know, he might be retitledat this point.
His last credit was in 2020, butdefinitely not uh strictly loyal
to just horror, although he didEyes of a Stranger, Easy Money,

(27:35):
so comedy, yeah, CrossingDelancy, I would say that's
straight up drama.

SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
Looks like it.

SPEAKER_01 (27:41):
Dutch, which I've said many times.
I think it's fun.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would say more comedy,family comedy.
A film called Enough.
That's the one I think JenniferLopez.
Yes, definitely not, it's like athriller, probably.

SPEAKER_02 (27:55):
She has had enough.

SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
She has had enough.

SPEAKER_02 (27:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:58):
He also I thought this was really interesting.
He uh cut The Incredible Hulk.

SPEAKER_02 (28:03):
Which one?
The Ed Norton one, probably, orthe I think so.
Eric Banna one.

SPEAKER_01 (28:09):
I think that's Ed Norton.
Not positive.
I always get the No, maybe thatis Eric Banna.
I don't know.
Anyway, he also cut the first,or no, this wasn't the first
one, but one of the ChronicleNarnia's films.
He did uh The Voyage of the DonTreader.
And then, like I mentioned, hislast credit, as of night right
now, is in 2020, and it was afilm called Chasing the Rain.

SPEAKER_02 (28:32):
Okay.
As far as the Hulk one, it wasprobably the Ed Norton one
because I think the Eric Bannerone was just called Hulk.
Hulk.

SPEAKER_01 (28:38):
Is that the Aang Lee one?

SPEAKER_02 (28:40):
Yeah, I think so.
And then he also did this likeweird um Vin Diesel movie.
It's not it's not a weird movie.
Pitch Black, he uh was editor onwas had like a interesting
concept to it, but uh which waswhat?
They're it's like a sci-fihorror, they're on this planet
where they're kind of likerunning from the sun.

SPEAKER_01 (29:03):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (29:03):
But when they get into the area where there's no
light, there are these likealiens that come out of monster.

SPEAKER_01 (29:09):
Interesting.
So the co-editor who maybe Ididn't I didn't look at the
closing credits too closely, butagain, in opening credits, it's
only Rick that's credited.
However, Patrick McMahon in IMDBis credited as co-editor, and we
have brought him up.

(29:29):
Oh my god.
Not that long ago, in fact.
So let's go through some of hiscredits.
He cut on the TV series Kojakfor a while.
We brought him up just earlierthis year for Strange Brew.
Oh, nice.
Yeah, he did that.
He also did Little Monsters,which we could do at some point.
Maybe one day.
I remember talking about himbecause I remember bringing up

(29:51):
all of the Stephen Kingminiseries.
Yeah.
So he cut the stand, he also cutthe TV mini series of The Shiny.

SPEAKER_02 (30:00):
Oh, with the guy from Wings.

SPEAKER_01 (30:02):
I guess so.
You you know all that way betterthan I do.

SPEAKER_02 (30:06):
I just remember seeing that they made a
miniseries with that guy, butbecause at the time, and even
really now, it's like I I somuch more prefer the book to the
movie that I never even watchedthe series.
Got it.
Maybe one day.

SPEAKER_01 (30:20):
He also cut on the TV series Roswell, as well as
the TV series Masters of Horror.
He cut the movie AmityvilleColon The Awakening.

SPEAKER_02 (30:31):
God, there are so many.
There's so many goddamnAmityville.

SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
So many Amityville films.

SPEAKER_02 (30:38):
There are like more Amityville.
I'd have to go like down like aresearch project of just like
copyright on the name orsomething?

SPEAKER_01 (30:47):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (30:47):
Because there's so many Amityville colon the
something.

SPEAKER_01 (30:50):
Correct.
Yes.
Which we stumbled upon one onceupon a time, and then one of our
really good friends was in it,and we never knew, and he never
told us.

SPEAKER_02 (30:59):
He was great in it.

SPEAKER_01 (31:01):
He was great.

SPEAKER_02 (31:02):
There's a lot of was that the one with like the uh no
the the vampire?

SPEAKER_01 (31:09):
The vampire.
No, there was like foundfootage.
It was like is that okay?
These kids were messing aroundin the house, they were taping
themselves, they all die, andthen a family moves in, they
find the found footage.
Yeah.
Or the footage.

SPEAKER_02 (31:21):
But that's yeah, I was thinking of something
totally different.

SPEAKER_01 (31:23):
And then yeah, and weird things start happening,
and he's amazing in it.
He also was a three-time gueston this podcast.
That's right.
So that really narrows it downif you want to go figure out who
that is.
Uh okay, and then I don't knowif I said this.
Patrick McMahon's uh one of hismore recent credits is The Lost
Twins.
So, all right, we're finally atthe stars of this film.

(31:45):
Starting Okay, so he, I amcompletely reorganizing the way
that they did this on the waythat IMDB sets this up is I was
shocked and appalled by the waythat they were I know why they
did, but I'm I'm gonna, in myown estimation, give credit
where credit is due first.
I'm starting with HeatherLingingcamp.
Yeah.

(32:05):
She is, in all regards, thefinal girl of this film, and
she's a fucking badass in thismovie.
She literally throws herself atFreddy Krueger at one point.

SPEAKER_02 (32:16):
Grabs him to pull him out of the dream into a
reality, right?

SPEAKER_01 (32:19):
Like that's what she really is a tough cookie, and
it's very fun to see her.
I mean, she really gives me likeRipley and Sarah Connor vibes.
I love Lori Strode.
I know in a lot of regardspeople consider her like the
original final girl.
I'm not saying anythingcontrary, but they they did a

(32:40):
little reworking of hercharacter later on in the
franchise.

SPEAKER_02 (32:43):
Big time because at the beginning she was just like
kind of surviving.

SPEAKER_01 (32:47):
Correct.

SPEAKER_02 (32:47):
But she didn't take control of it in the way that
some of these other charactersdo, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:52):
Exactly.
So I think Nancy's amazing.
She's really, in all senses, avery strong character.
And yeah, she's Heather Lingkampis is great in this movie.
I don't know if she's just madechoices to be particular about
what she wants to doacting-wise.

(33:15):
I don't know if she has, youknow, sometimes it happens where
you become so identified with aparticular character that it can
prove difficult to move on fromthat character and do other
things.
So I don't know.
I don't know.
She she is definitely stillworking, like up to this very
day, but let's go through someof her credits.
So she she doesn't come back fora nightmare in Elm Street 2, but

(33:37):
she does come back for Nightmarein Elm Street 3, Dream Warriors,
which I think a lot of peoplewould say is the second
strongest film in the franchise.

SPEAKER_02 (33:45):
It's a much beloved film.
What's the strongest?
The first one.
Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (33:50):
Well, it's the one that kicks everything off.

SPEAKER_02 (33:52):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:53):
So, but I know a lot of people love Dream Warriors,
so she comes back for that.

SPEAKER_02 (33:57):
I just like the concept of it that, like, we're
gonna fight back in the dreams.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:01):
Yeah.
So then she also she's done TVwork.
She was on the a TV seriescalled Just the Ten of Us for
quite a long time.
I think she's one of the kids inthat.
Okay.
She also comes back, like wementioned, for New Nightmare.
So she is Heather Linging Campin the film and talks about her

(34:22):
character as Nancy Thompson.
Yeah.
So it's fun.
She was also in the film StarTrek into Darkness.
Which I liked.

SPEAKER_02 (34:30):
People, you know, they don't they don't like the
fact that it's essentially aWrath of Khan remake where
things are changed and they invery much change the ending
where instead of Spock having tosacrifice, it's Kirk who does
that and Spock has to save him.
But I thought it was reallygood.
I don't know who character, Idon't know who Moto was, but
that was that was her.

SPEAKER_01 (34:52):
Yes, and you if you if you don't know, I certainly
don't know.
Fair enough.
I'm sorry, I'm not a Trekkie.

SPEAKER_02 (34:58):
I I I think that's not I'm not either.
I like a few of the movies alot, but um yeah, I I wouldn't
consider myself.

SPEAKER_01 (35:07):
No shade.
No shade to trekes.
I'm just not one of them.

SPEAKER_02 (35:10):
I feel like it would be disingenuous for me to
consider myself a trekie.

SPEAKER_01 (35:14):
But you do know more about the franchise than I do.

SPEAKER_02 (35:17):
I have yeah, but there's like Deep Space Nine and
Voyager and all this other I Ihaven't seen any of that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
So she also uh was on the TV series The Midnight
Club, the film The Life ofChuck, and then very recently, I
think just in the last like yearor two, she was in the films
Little Bites and Plea.
So the next person that I havelisted is Robert uh will you say
his last name for me?

SPEAKER_02 (35:45):
Who?
Robert England?

SPEAKER_01 (35:46):
England.
Is it just like England?
I did why am I tripping on it?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (35:51):
England.

SPEAKER_01 (35:52):
Robert England.
So in the film they have himcredited as Fred Kruger, but I
think past this film everybodyjust calls him Freddy Krueger.

SPEAKER_02 (36:01):
It's uh more, you know, less less formal.

SPEAKER_01 (36:03):
Rose off the tongue.

SPEAKER_02 (36:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (36:05):
And talk about somebody who has become
identified with a particularcharacter.
Uh he is Freddy Krueger.
I think I don't I hope I'm notmaking this up.
I think I recently saw that heis going to like, he's he does
want to pass the torch, likeofficially.
I think if there's anything elsethat comes up in the future, I
mean, like, look, he originatedthis like over 40 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 (36:25):
It's just gonna be that Skarsgard guide, isn't it?
He's just gonna take overeverything.
Yeah, can you imagine the voicethat he would create for
Freddie?
Probably pretty good.
Based on what he did forNosferatu, that would be
incredible.

SPEAKER_01 (36:38):
Probably pretty good.
And also, I did also read thatEngland is going to get his star
on the Walk of Fame onHalloween.

SPEAKER_02 (36:45):
That's fun.

SPEAKER_01 (36:45):
Isn't that fun?
Much deserved.
So he, I mean, look, he's had ahuge career.
Go to his filmography.
It goes far beyond a nightmareon Elm Street.
I think he is pretty solidly inthe horror world for the most
part.
Yeah.
So that is that is like kind ofhis little niche.
But let's let's go through hiscredits.

(37:07):
So, well before a nightmare onElm Street, he was in the films
Eaten Alive, Dead and Buried.

SPEAKER_02 (37:14):
Sounds bad.

SPEAKER_01 (37:15):
Galaxy of Terror.
Oh.
So horror.
Horror, horror.
He I know that this was a show,and then it was like, I think,
rebooted, I don't know, what, 10years ago, but it's it stopped
V.
The TV isn't about aliens.

SPEAKER_02 (37:32):
Oh my god.
That was so V was basically thenerd drama type version of like
um the Thornbirds.
Or like, you know, it was likethe TV is like.
Is it not about aliens?
No, it is.
But it was like in terms of likethe the scope of it, like people

(37:52):
being interested in it.
A super popular like thing aboutaliens, but then it got into
like being like a drama, andit's like, oh, this person is
having a kid with this alien.
What's that gonna be like?

SPEAKER_01 (38:04):
Like it got it did get rebooted like 10 years ago
or something, right?

SPEAKER_02 (38:07):
I guess so, yeah.
They were a couple seasons.
The aliens were all lizardpeople, and I'm pretty sure
that's where like that's whypeople will say like Mark
Zuckerberg is basically an alienperson.
They're making comments about V.

SPEAKER_01 (38:20):
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (38:20):
Oh god.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (38:21):
So Lizard Man.
Lizard Man.
So he does that, and then nowI'm just like listing out all
the Nightmare on Elm Streetfilms.
So we get the original, which weare talking about at this very
moment.
He comes back for everything.
He comes back for Freddy'sRevenge, Dream Warriors, The
Dream Master, The Dream Child,Freddy's Dead, The Final

(38:44):
Nightmare.
He comes back for New Nightmareas himself.

SPEAKER_02 (38:48):
Yeah.
Why not?

SPEAKER_01 (38:49):
Robert Englund and Freddy Krueger.
And he also is Krueger in Freddyversus Jason.
So he does all the films.
He does the TV series.
He so he does Freddy'sNightmares.
Uh, other films.
He has done Wishmaster, Meet theDeatles.
I remember him in Urban Legend.

(39:11):
I think he's like one of theprofessors.
He's interesting in that.
You watched this with me, right?
You watched Behind the Mask, TheRise of Leslie Vernon.
Yes.
Which was a fun, a fun idea.
I don't know if it was reallyexecuted as well as it could
have been, but it was a very funidea.

SPEAKER_02 (39:27):
It was this guy trying to become a serial
killer.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (39:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:31):
Talking about like the cardio and that stuff is
fun.

SPEAKER_01 (39:36):
And I think there's like a whole, if I remembering
correctly, there's like a wholeconversation about like uh like
the cadence of your walk and howyou go after somebody.
You can't look like you'retrying to go fast.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:48):
It's you gotta look smooth, and then they turn
around and you're right there.

SPEAKER_01 (39:51):
It's really good.
I mean, it was there are somereally funny parts to it.
I put this in for you.
He was on one episode ofSupernatural.

SPEAKER_02 (39:59):
Yeah, yeah.
I think I remember that episode.
He was a doctor or something.
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (40:04):
Uh did we watch this strippers versus werewolves?

SPEAKER_02 (40:08):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (40:08):
I think we watched something.
I don't remember.
Maybe it was like with zombiesor vampires or something.
I swear that we watch somethingwhere it's like strippers versus
vampires.
Like they're trying to get intothis like strip club or
something.

SPEAKER_02 (40:24):
I Are you thinking of From Dust Till Dawn, maybe?

SPEAKER_01 (40:27):
No, I'm not.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (40:28):
I'm not.
Then I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 (40:31):
We watched something like that.
I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 (40:34):
You can add it to the queue.

SPEAKER_01 (40:35):
I put this in because we literally are doing a
rewatch of it right now.
He is Victor Creole in StrangerThings.

SPEAKER_03 (40:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (40:43):
So, which I think it's just the one episode that
he's actually president.
They talk about Victor Creel.

SPEAKER_02 (40:49):
You know, I was only 15 years old when Stranger
Things first came out.

SPEAKER_01 (40:53):
You know what?
Because we're doing a rewatch,I've been going deep into like
Reddit threads about whatever.
And there was this really funnycomment where somebody's like, I
remember when Stranger Thingsfirst came out in the 1950s.
It was so groundbreaking.
It was such an interestingchoice they made to have one
season per decade.
Like it was a really, reallyfunny comment.

(41:18):
And that's kind of how it feels.
Yeah.
And uh and beyond everythingthat I've already listed, uh,
multiple TV appearances ondifferent shows, both sometimes
as himself.

SPEAKER_02 (41:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (41:28):
Because now he is like because now everyone knows.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And sometimes, you know, othercharacters.
Okay, so the next person I amlisting is Amanda, is it would
you say Weiss?
Yeah.
So she is Nancy's, I'm justgonna say like best friend, Tina
Gray.
And she's the first victim inthis film, and it opens with

(41:51):
like her nightmare.

SPEAKER_02 (41:52):
Yeah, like I said, it opens strong.

SPEAKER_01 (41:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (41:56):
So she The running, not strong.

SPEAKER_01 (41:59):
No, they do have that, like, she's like almost
running in place.
Like, I don't know if it's likethe camera work they needed to
do.
I don't know what was going on,but I was like, you're obviously
running in place.
The chase sequences were likechase sequences were a little
dodgy, a little dodgy, but yeah,so she is uh I got I guess 15
years old in this movie.
And so they're very young highschool students, and she has

(42:23):
this nightmare of this likesuper creepy guy.
She doesn't know who he is, andthe next morning she's very
concerned about it.
It's on her mind, it feels veryreal.
He even ripped through hernightgown, and she tries to talk
to Nancy about Nancy.
You know, I guess I can't blameher for the way she responds,
although she also had a dreamwith Freddie Kruger.

(42:45):
She doesn't seem nearly asdisturbed by it.

SPEAKER_02 (42:47):
They're not upset at all.
They're like, Yeah, I had adream with Freddie Kruger.

SPEAKER_01 (42:52):
Well, they don't, she doesn't know, she just
thinks she had a nightmare.

SPEAKER_02 (42:56):
That's that they didn't know the name, yeah,
yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (42:58):
I don't know if I mean it's kind of interesting to
me that he's jumping intomultiple nightmares in one
night.

SPEAKER_02 (43:04):
Yeah, because I think Rod at some point was
like, guys can have nightmarestoo.

SPEAKER_01 (43:09):
Yeah, so it's like they all dreamt about him in the
same night.

SPEAKER_02 (43:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:12):
Which I think is really interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (43:13):
So did all of their parents participate in like the
hunting down and killing ofKruger?

SPEAKER_01 (43:19):
That's what that's how I interpret it.

SPEAKER_02 (43:21):
Because then I just gets back to me like, well, why
did Glenn's parents act the waythat they did?

SPEAKER_01 (43:27):
I mean, it's uh I think it's left a little
ambiguous.
Like his dad, when he's staringacross the street at Nancy, I
get the sense that he kind ofkind of has awareness maybe of
to some degree.
I mean, he's he, you know, stillcalls her a lunatic.

SPEAKER_02 (43:44):
Yeah, he's like, that girl is a lunatic.

SPEAKER_01 (43:46):
Yeah, so there's that, but I don't know.
I mean, I got the sense thathe's targeting the children of
the parents who killed him.
I think a big question, which Iwould maybe I don't know the
subsequent films nearly as well.
So I don't know if this isbrought up at some point, but
like why now?

SPEAKER_02 (44:06):
Yeah.
That was that was gonna be thenext question is like what what
uh was the catalyst for allthose?

SPEAKER_01 (44:12):
Like it goes from zero to sixty.
Like they all of a sudden I'llhave a nightmare about this guy,
and within three days, threepeople are dead.
So it's or actually more thanthat, because she's already up,
she claims for seven days by thetime Glenn is killed.
So Tina and Rod are killed backto back, yeah, and then it's

(44:34):
several days before Glenn iskilled, but it all happens very
fast.
So I don't know if it's likesome kind of anniversary of when
he was killed.
It's not brought up in thismovie, so there is kind of a
question around that.
But as far as Amanda, not thefirst time we have brought her
up.
We have brought her up a coupletimes at this point, although we

(44:54):
probably didn't do a dive on oneof them.
I brought this up just becausesomebody that we covered a
couple episodes ago was on thisshow, and I thought it was such
a funny title, The RighteousApples.
Because it's not the righteousgemstones.
No relation, no relation.
She probably was mentioned, butI doubt we did a dive on her
when we covered Fast Times atRidgemont High earlier this

(45:15):
year.

SPEAKER_02 (45:15):
I think she comes up a little bit, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:19):
Only because that is such a ginormous ensemble cast.
Unfortunately, we had to makesome cuts to who we covered, and
she probably was one of them.
But she's in that.
She's um Judge Reinhold'sgirlfriend.
Yes, yeah, girlfriend slashex-girlfriend, say breakup.
But that's who she's in that.
Go check out that episode.

(45:40):
She we talk about this all thetime about doing this at some
point.
Silverado, she's in that.
I am certain she did come up inBetter Off Dead.

SPEAKER_02 (45:49):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (45:49):
So that was several seasons ago.
That was with Megan, and gocheck that one out.
So she is in that film.
Uh, the TV series Highlander,she was on for a minute.

SPEAKER_02 (46:01):
Honestly, the TV series, if you just take the
original movie and the TVseries, pretty good.
The sequel, the movie sequels,pretty much not good.

SPEAKER_01 (46:12):
But they are doing a remake of you and Josh discussed
that when we brought up when wedid Highlander.

SPEAKER_02 (46:18):
It's possible.

SPEAKER_01 (46:18):
Yeah, I think you guys had that conversation.

SPEAKER_02 (46:21):
Yeah.
But they are making a new onewith uh Henry Cavill.
Oh, are they?
Interesting.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (46:27):
Okay.
He's such a nerd.

SPEAKER_02 (46:30):
I love it.

unknown (46:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (46:32):
It's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 (46:32):
Kind of a nerd.
Yeah.
Uh yeah, go check out our ourHighlander episode.
So she's also in Marry Me orDie.
I think that's how you proposedme.

SPEAKER_03 (46:42):
That that is the ultimatum, of course.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (46:47):
Just kidding.
It was an amazing proposal.
She was in Assassin's Fury.
And I mean, she's still verymuch working.
Uh, she's been like a lot ofone-offs, two-offs on different
TV shows.
And that is uh Amanda Weiss.
Okay.
Crazy that we have not broughthim up before on this show, at

(47:07):
least for uh strictly speaking,a film.
He probably will come up atleast one more time.
I am talking about Johnny Depp.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (47:18):
You have heard of him, though.

SPEAKER_01 (47:19):
For first acting credit was this film.

SPEAKER_02 (47:24):
Introducing Johnny Depp.
I have that question.
Like, how do they determine whento when to start?
No, that was a good question.
Did like someone come from thefuture and they're like, look,
this kid's gonna be fuckinghuge.

SPEAKER_01 (47:32):
Right, because isn't it kind of interesting, like you
knew he was gonna be huge oneday?

SPEAKER_02 (47:38):
I mean he kind of stands out.
He the the the intro and thecredit stands out.

SPEAKER_01 (47:43):
The intro stands out.
I don't know if he stands out somuch.
He's kind of just a kid in amovie.
He's like kind of he's to me onpar with anybody we've seen in
any of the Friday the 13thfilms.

SPEAKER_02 (47:55):
Which is fine because you know, we got Kevin
Bacon.
Sure.
There's no shortage of actorswho like got their start.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:03):
Yeah.
So apparently I have heard thestory that when they were doing
casting, somebody's daughter wasjust like, oh, he's cute.
And so that's why they put himin the movie.
Because they were like, oh,young girls will actually think
he's cute.
That's what I read somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 (48:19):
No, I I I could see that.
And he's like, he's cute, givehim half a t-shirt.

SPEAKER_01 (48:24):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (48:25):
Give him half a shirt.

SPEAKER_01 (48:26):
He's, you know, an interesting character in this
film because he and Nancy aredating, but they have a very
different relationship than Tinaand Rod.

SPEAKER_02 (48:36):
For sure.

SPEAKER_01 (48:38):
For sure.
And you know, he wants to bemore physical with her.

SPEAKER_02 (48:42):
It's like uh it's like the character's
relationship in Scream a littlebit.
I mean, it reminds me of that.
God, you're so right.

SPEAKER_01 (48:49):
Holy shit.
I bet you that's completelyintentional.

SPEAKER_02 (48:52):
Yeah, it's gonna be craven, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:55):
But he is very respectful of her boundaries.
I mean, they also completelymimic that scene in Scream.
Well, Scream mimics the scenewhere he pokes his head in the
window.
Very much so, yeah.
Straight up happens in theopening scene of Scream.
Well, not the opening, not theDrew Barrymore, when they when
they introduced um what's hername?

SPEAKER_02 (49:16):
Oh, Nev Campbell.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:18):
So that is completely based off this film,
that scene between her and theboyfriend.
But Johnny Depp has had a crazy,crazy successful career.

SPEAKER_02 (49:31):
Um you might recognize him from his Sossage
fragrance commercials.
Is that what it's called?
Sossage?
I don't think it is.

SPEAKER_01 (49:38):
Like sausage?

SPEAKER_02 (49:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:39):
I don't think it's called Sausage.

SPEAKER_02 (49:41):
That's what it looks like, though.

SPEAKER_01 (49:42):
Isn't it like a werewolf kind of play in those
commercials?
Isn't it like a it's like a wolfhowling or something?

SPEAKER_02 (49:48):
It's him with like a guitar and then he digs
something in the ground.

SPEAKER_01 (49:52):
I don't know.
But he's had an amazing career.
I I don't know where the careeris headed.
I'm not gonna go down too muchof this path today.
But, you know, a few years back,there was a lot of coverage of a
very acrimonious split he hadwith Amanda Heard.
Yeah.

(50:13):
And I don't think anybody knowsfor sure what happened.
I think they both didn't treateach other very well, is as much
as I'll say about it.

SPEAKER_02 (50:22):
But I mean, people have created entire podcasts
just to talk about that.
And from like the snippets thatI've heard from people that have
done that, it's very likeexploitive and just trying to
like get clicks.
And I'm just here to talk about80s movies.

SPEAKER_01 (50:38):
I love talking about 80s movies, and look, I'm not
saying we are above havingmentioned personal tidbits about
some of the actors that we bringup.

SPEAKER_03 (50:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (50:47):
But I guess go you do you if you want to do an
entire podcast about thepersonal lives of celebrities
that you don't know and don'tcare about you, but okay.
I mean, that for sure happens,yeah.
So, in any case, as far as hisacting career goes, and I didn't
I didn't actually quite realize.
Do you realize that he is athree-time Oscar nominated

(51:10):
actor?

SPEAKER_02 (51:12):
No, I did not.

SPEAKER_01 (51:14):
Do you want to take a guess of what films it was
for?
Don't cheat.
Don't you cheat.
Well, can I I can't even look atthe titles because I have to
think of the How about I'llstart naming movies and then you
can stop me if you think one ofthose movies is one of them, and
is he in What's Eating GilbertGrape?
He is, and actually I'm kind ofshocked that's not one of them.
Okay, well then There's actuallythe ones that he's nominated

(51:35):
for, I was like, oh, really?
And then the ones he's not, Iwas like, oh, he totally should
have been.

SPEAKER_02 (51:38):
Blow?
No.
Slow to blow?
He's not in that.

SPEAKER_01 (51:41):
Don't do it! Don't do it! Don't do it.
Okay.
So as far as his credits go, uh,chronological order.
So he's still a young'in whenhe's in Platoon.
That's probably the other movieat some point we will cover, and
another huge ensemble cast.
So he's in that.
He definitely gets his like cuteboy teen beat, you know,

(52:06):
headlines from 21 Drum Street.
Yeah.
The original TV series.
We're not talking about themovies uh with what's his face
and what's his face.
But Jonah Hill.

SPEAKER_00 (52:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (52:19):
And um, I always get his name.

SPEAKER_00 (52:20):
What's his name?
I always get it mixed up.
Say it.
What do you got?
Channel Tating?
Tatum Tating.
What is it?
Tatum Channing?

SPEAKER_02 (52:28):
Maybe Channing Tatum?

SPEAKER_00 (52:31):
Yeah, that's what I said the first time, right?
You was kind of like uh.

SPEAKER_01 (52:36):
Anyway, there was an original TV series, and Johnny
Depp was in it.
So he he does this work whenhe's still very young, and then
he starts doing really, reallyinteresting stuff.
He is Edward Scissorhands inEdward Scissorhands.
I think he should have gottensome kind of nomination for
that.
It is an amazing film.

(52:58):
I feel bad because Tim Burtonjust is just never, I think,
gonna get recognized by theAcademy in the way that I think
he should have for a number ofdifferent films, to be honest.
Yeah.
That's one of them.
To your point, he is in what'seating Gilbert Grape.
So he didn't get nominated.
However, Leonardo DiCaprio did.

SPEAKER_02 (53:17):
I yeah, I I thought about it.
I'm like, oh well, if he did,there's probably not like that
was Leo's first nomination.

SPEAKER_01 (53:25):
I mean, look, I I think we own that film.
They're both incredible in thatmovie, but Leonardo DiCaprio, I
think brings as much respect tothe role of somebody who has
cognitive challenges as somebodywho doesn't have co cognitive
challenges and portrays someonewho does, yeah, could bring to
that role.
He was amazing for like the agethat he was at when that was

(53:49):
filmed.
Like it's an incredible role.
Uh, not to get too far away fromJohnny Depp, but it's it's a
really good movie.
And actually, when I was writingdown my notes for this episode,
I was like, man, I'd kind oflove to see Johnny Depp and
Leonardo DiCaprio reteam onsomething.

unknown (54:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:07):
I don't know what that would look like.
Yeah.
But so he does Ed Wood, DeadMan, Danny Brasco, Fear and
Loathing in Las Vegas, SleepyHollow, which I was like, you
know what?
It's been a minute since I'vewatched Sleepy Hollow.
I'd watch that again.
So he obviously he has this likelong and he's not exclusive to
Tim Burton movies, but they havea long-standing collaboration

(54:27):
together.
Yeah.
I mean, very much like Scorseseand like originally like Robert
De Niro, still Robert De Niro,and Leonardo Leonardo DiCaprio.
So some of these directors, theyjust find these actors that they
really like drive with, andthat's largely been the case
with Depp and Burton.
He's also in Chocolat.
He does that.
To your point, he does blow.

(54:48):
So he gets his first best actoroscronom for, and I'm actually
super bummed he didn't win,Pirates of the Caribbean, the
curse of the black pearl.

SPEAKER_02 (55:00):
That's crazy.
I mean, he it was an amazingperformance.

SPEAKER_01 (55:03):
Fucking amazing performance.

SPEAKER_02 (55:05):
And it I feel like it's diluted or watered down a
little bit with all of the tonsof sequels and stuff.
But the first the first moviewas was amazing.
Like it was so much fun.

SPEAKER_01 (55:20):
It was so fucking good.
I remember walking to thetheater.
You know, this happened to me ahandful of times at this point,
where I walked in really notknowing what the movie was
supposed to be about.
I was like, oh, it's about aDisney ride.
Like I didn't know what thismovie could possibly be.
It was so good.
I remember literally from themoment that movie starts, I was
so invested in it.

(55:41):
I was so carried along.
It was so fun.
It was such, such, such a funtheater experience.

SPEAKER_02 (55:48):
The intro to his character when he's like up on
top of that like sinking shipand just steps off onto the
pier.
It's like so memorable.

SPEAKER_01 (55:56):
Miss those types of experiences.
I don't know.
I don't know if I'm gonna havean experience like that again in
a theater.
Like it's been so long sinceI've like just talking about it
the way that I was.
Like, I have not seen a movie inlike the last 10 years, I would
say, that gave me that feeling.

SPEAKER_02 (56:14):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (56:15):
Yeah.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 (56:17):
The first step is we have to find more time to
actually go.

SPEAKER_01 (56:19):
I know.
There's that too.
But it's the types of moviesthat are being made.
Uh, and he's he is uh what's hisname?
Oh my god, what's thecharacter's name?
Jack Sparrow.

SPEAKER_02 (56:32):
Yeah, Captain Jack Sparrow.

SPEAKER_01 (56:33):
Captain Jack Sparrow.

SPEAKER_02 (56:35):
Come on.

SPEAKER_01 (56:36):
For all of the films.
I mean, this was like I mean, itwas a gimme that they were gonna
make a franchise out of it afterthe first one did so well, but
they got, I think, a littlereckless with it.

SPEAKER_02 (56:47):
Like I remember um Disney and getting reckless with
a franchise.

SPEAKER_01 (56:51):
I know.
I think it was at World's End,maybe, which isn't even at the
tail end of the franchise as ofright now.
That's a third one, I think,right?
Yeah, where I was watching kindof behind the scenes.
They just fucking startedfilming that movie before they
had a script.
And I was like, no, you can't dothat.
You can't do that.
They just had ideas in theirhead of certain pieces that they

(57:14):
wanted, certain set pieces.
Like, like, is I think that'sthe one with like that huge like
um wheel or something thatthey're like anyway.
I was just like, oh, that'sterrible, and I can't believe
you're admitting to that.

SPEAKER_02 (57:28):
But it feels better hearing that because it very
much watches like a movie thatwas made in that way.

SPEAKER_01 (57:34):
Yeah, so but he's uh Jack for Jack Sparrow for the
first one, of course, Dead Man'sChest at World's End on Stranger
Tides.
I'm surprised that this is thelast one so far because it's the
best title outside of the firstone.
Dead Men Tale No Tales.

SPEAKER_02 (57:48):
That is a solid title.

SPEAKER_01 (57:49):
Solid title.
Yeah.
So he gets his next, so all ofhis nominations are for like
leading best actor.
He gets his next nom for findingNeverland.
This is a very understated rolein comparison.
Uh, not my favorite.
He takes on the role of umwhat's his name in Charlie in

(58:10):
the Chocolate Factory.

SPEAKER_02 (58:11):
Oh, he's Willy Wonka, though.
That movie, um yeah.
No, the the Gene Wilder originalis for sure the better
experience.

SPEAKER_01 (58:23):
1000%.

SPEAKER_02 (58:24):
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (58:27):
But I appreciate that he did something different,
I guess.
He goes for it, he completelycommits to the way he portrays
that character.

SPEAKER_02 (58:36):
But but yeah, I mean, and that was one of the
things that made Wilder'scharacter, in my in my mind, a
more compelling version of Wonkabecause there was more like the
character was more reserved, sothere would be these like kind
of wild manic moments, but itwas pulled together a lot
tighter instead of just beinglike kind of slapsticky, wild,

(58:56):
weird the whole time.
Correct.

SPEAKER_01 (58:59):
He voices in Corpse Bride, which is another Burton
film.
He does Sweeney Todd, the demon,Barber of Fleet Street.
As of right now, that is histhird and last Oscar nomination.
Okay.
He's nominated for that.
He does Public Enemies, uh, hedoes some more Burton work.
He is an Alice in Wonderland aswell as Alice through the

(59:19):
looking glass.
He does Dark Shadows.
I mean, he's done so many reallylike love or hate the the movie
or the character, he reallyswings for the fences.

SPEAKER_02 (59:30):
Oh, yeah.
No, I mean I've no doubt that hewas exactly the Willy Wonka that
they were trying to get in thatmovie.

SPEAKER_01 (59:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:36):
Because he he he like you said, he goes for it
and he's like really smart aboutlike understanding how it's
going to translate, like whatthey're like filming and how
that's gonna look.
I've like heard stories of himworking with like a newer
director where he's like, I cando it like that, but it's not
gonna work.
And they do it, it doesn't work,and then they just do it the

(59:57):
It's fascinating to me thatsomebody who very much started
as

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:00):
Like a heartthrob has really kind of shed that.
I mean, it's been decades now atthis point, but like has shed
that kind of like image and haschosen really interesting,
unique things that oftentimes donot portray him at all in like a
conventionally like sexy orhandsome or whatever kind of

(01:00:21):
way.
Um so it is I I just reallyappreciate the choices that he's
made in his career.
He obviously is somebody wholike is creative, wants to do
different roles, wants toexplore different types of
stories.
Um, so I think I mentioned hedoes Dark Shadows, and then he
does Fantastic Beasts and Whereto Find Them, as well as

(01:00:42):
Fantastic Beasts, The Crimes ofGrindelwald.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:45):
That's right, yeah.
And also, I can't believe thisis actually on his IMDB.
It's uh Dior Sauvage.
Oh Sauvage, not Sosage.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:55):
Yeah, now they put some of those on IMDb, it's
weird.
He does Murder on the OrientExpress, like the remake.
I know there's an older one.
Um, more recently, he's justdone some voice work, and I
think it's for some children'sshows, interestingly enough.
Puffins and Puffins Impossible.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:13):
Okay.
All right.
So he does both.
Sounds like kid stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:16):
So we're moving on to Rod Lane, uh, the character
who is Tina's boyfriend who isaccused of murdering her.
So at the time that this wasfilmed, the actor's name was
Nick Corey.
Yeah.
He has hence since, hence, uhchanged his name.
I don't know if this is hisoriginal name, and Nick Corey

(01:01:36):
was just like his stage name,but he is I would say Sue.
Sue?
I don't Sue Garcia.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:43):
It's J-S-U.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:44):
Yeah.
Hisu?
Maybe?
Or just Sue?
Hisu Garcia?
Sure.
Okay.
So he is still very muchworking.
He has a very interesting bio.
I'm not gonna go down it, butyou can check it out on IMDB.
He is a uh, I guess I will sayseeker, spiritual seeker.
He has done other stuff besidesacting.

(01:02:06):
Um but as far as credits go,almost entirely films for him.
He was in Predator 2.
Nice.
He does come back for NewNightmare.
He was in Vampire in Brooklyn.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:16):
I mean, he does die in the first one.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:19):
But New Nightmare is the meta one.
So he's alive, yeah.
He's like himself, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:25):
Fair enough.
Got it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:26):
Um, he is in the film Traffic, Collateral Damage,
Along Came Polly.
The one TV series I have for himthat he was like on first int
was Without a Trace.
And more recently, a film calledThis Is Christmas.
This is Christmas, uh, andmultiple TV appearances as well.
So, okay, finally, we aregetting to the person where no,

(01:02:49):
no shade.
I hope um there's no no hardfeelings.
No hard feelings.
Uh John Saxon was first creditedat IMDB.
I am only getting to him rightnow.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Uh so he is Lieutenant DonaldThompson, Nancy's dad.
He's a cop.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:10):
Was did we see him in their home for one single
scene?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:16):
Yeah, I think he, I mean, okay, so Right after it
happened, right after Tina died,maybe?
Maybe.
That's the other thing aboutthis film is that like clearly
Nancy's parents are divorced.
It feels recently divorced,because there's still a lot of
like.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:33):
It is a messy divorce.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:35):
Yeah, they they don't get on very well.
Um, and they kind of are blamingeach other for what's going on
with their daughter.
And and so he does not live inthe family home, it appears.
But uh and also the actor JohnSaxon, he did pass away a couple
years ago.
He passed away in 2020.

(01:03:55):
He had a very, very long careerbefore this film came out came
along.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:00):
And there's always there's always a couple, right?
In these movies.
Like we've talked about thatbefore, where it's like a bunch
of kids or people who are juststarting their career, and then
you bring someone in who's beendoing this for decades.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:12):
Yeah.
I mean, he wasn't elderly inthis film.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:15):
He was like, he was 95 years old in this film.
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:20):
Um, when this when he shot this film, but he just
he started early.
Like, I think I saw that like hehad credits from like the 50s.
Yeah.
Um, so and as I was goingthrough his credits, I was like,
huh, he really embraced horrorearly on.
I mean, he was in films calledPosse from Hell.
I'd watch that.
The Evil Eye, Blood Beast fromOuter Space, holy shit.

(01:04:43):
Queen of Blood.
Like, he does some fun films.
Uh, he was on a TV series.
He did have extended stints onmultiple TV series.
One of them was called The BoldOnes, Colonel The New Doctors.
Hmm.
I didn't know this.
Uh, he had a role in the filmEnter the Dragon.
Interesting.

(01:05:03):
Yeah.
He also, I don't remember this,was in the film Black Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:08):
I don't remember that either, although it looks
like he was another lieutenant.
Yeah.
So that that's good.
Um, Black Christmas was I Idon't really know what it was
trying to be.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:21):
So it autoplayed the other day.
I had something else on, and itjust like started up afterwards.
So I was kind of periodicallylooking at it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:32):
I almost like the remade version of it more just
because it's Yeah, I um Iunderstand why it's so important
in horror history.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:42):
It just doesn't do it for me.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:44):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:45):
That's all I have to say.
It's it it's not for me a funfilm to watch at all.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:51):
And I'm I'm fine watching like uh I can watch a
horror movie that's not justlike corny and fun.
Like, that's fine.
But it just felt like it likewhat um what is this, what kind
of film is this supposed to be?
And it kind of like went in likeI don't know, different
directions.
Another one of them.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:10):
There are some really interesting, horrific
elements.
The fact that there's a fuckingdead girl in the attic the
entire film, essentially.
Yeah, that's it.
And they just keep not findingher is keep on like showing us
like the image of it's horrificimaging of her.
Like it, there's some reallyinteresting things about the
film.
But like, look, I know this isgonna sound weird to some
people.
Obviously, there's nothing funabout the exorcist, but it's

(01:06:31):
really entertaining and fun towatch, and I just don't feel
that way about this film.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:34):
It's it's a very different kind, and there's like
a different type of resolutionat the end of that that you get.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:40):
So, in any case, he's in it.
He was also in Battle Beyond theStars.
I think it's so funny to me thatlike he does like kind of these
different horror projects, buthe also was on Dynasty for a
while.
Nice, another world, so that'sdaytime television, or was I
don't think it's on the airanymore.

(01:07:01):
He also comes back for ANightmare on Elm Street 3, Dream
Warriors, and New Nightmare.
So he presumably plays himself.
I I have watched New Nightmare,it's just been a minute, but I'm
guessing they all come back aslike air quotes themselves.
He was on Falcon Crust.
Amazing.
Another, like, I think that wasPrimetime, like that was like a

(01:07:22):
primetime soap opera.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:24):
I think so, yeah.
And then more did not watch it,so I have no idea, actually.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:29):
Hellmaster, he has a part in Beverly Hills Cop 2.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:34):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:34):
You just mentioned this for totally separate
reasons earlier, but he is inFrom Dust Till Dawn.
Oh, he is?
Yeah.
Okay.
And then his final credit was afilm called The Extra.
What I have listed is just afraction.
He had a very robustfilmography.
Yeah.
And a lot of it also includedlike one-offs and two offs for
like TV shows.

(01:07:55):
So, okay, finally, RonnieBlakely.
So she is Marge Thompson.
I don't know why I have to sayMarge that way, but it lends
itself to that, right?
It just lends itself to that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:09):
So she is Nancy's apparently alcoholic mother.
Yes.
That is definitely a throughline in this film.
She hides alcohol everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:18):
When uh Nancy's like peeking out the door and her mom
is just opening up the linencloset and pulls out a giant
fucking jug of vodka.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:27):
So understandable, I guess.
Like she seems like maybe she'sweighing with the guilt still of
having killed somebody.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:34):
Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:34):
Even if that killer was a kid killer.
Or that person was a kid killer.
But it's a really interestingportrayal.
She is arguably a helicopterparent with Nancy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:51):
Yeah, but everything she did was kind of like it felt
like she was intentionallysupposed to like be this like
numbed kind of.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:59):
It was a really that's why it was a really
interesting depiction of thischaracter because like she does
you can tell something's goingon with her.
She's not right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:08):
Like she's kind of like you said, kind of dulled,
but she's also incrediblyconcerned for Nancy.
You know, she does these reallyoutrageous things that she
thinks is to help her, you know,like bringing her, which she
gets an appointment for thatsleep center ASAP.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:24):
Like I love that.
They had this like long hold onthe sign to let us know that it
was a sleep center, and then itjust kept zooming in.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:34):
I mean, Tina dies the next day, she's like at a
sleep center.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:36):
Yeah.
Um, no, hey, that's that'sthat's amazing.
It would take us like probably amonth to get that appointment.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:42):
She's got some contacts or something.
So she gets her in there, sheputs fucking uh the bars on
every fucking window of thathouse, of which there are many
to keep Nancy from getting out.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:57):
In like a day she did that.
In like a day.
Well done.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:00):
Yeah, and I think Nancy even came home early from
school that day because she hadlike the daytime nightmare.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:05):
That's right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:06):
So she got that done in like halftime.
Um, so she does that.
She apparently puts a lock onthe door that Nancy can't figure
out how to unlock.
Um, she she thinks she's doingwhat she should do for her
daughter.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:20):
She sure does.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:21):
Warms up her milk.
She does.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:24):
She um takes one pot of coffee out of Nancy's room so
that Nancy can uncover the otherpot of coffee hidden by her bed.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:32):
She turns down her bed.
Who turns down a bed?
Anyway.
So she does a lot.
But it's a really interestingportrayal.
Now, Ronnie Blakely, she doeshave some acting credits, but
actually, she's she's really asinger.
She's like a singer-songwriter.
Oh, wow.
Um, and she is anOscar-nominated actress.

(01:10:54):
Makes total sense when you saywhy she was in Nashville.
The Robert Altman filmNashville.
She gets a best supportingactress Oscar nom, so incredibly
early in her career.
And she does not have anextended film career.
Because again, she is more solike in real life, a singer
song.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:10):
Singer, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:11):
Yeah.
So that is where I think most ofher time and attention has been
put, which also makes it reallyinteresting that she's even in
this film.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:18):
Yeah.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:20):
Like random.
Why?
But anyway, she is.
Uh, I only have a handful ofother credits for her.
So besides Nashville, she was inthe film A Return to Salem's
Lot.
Oh, interesting.
And then I I did thisintentionally.
So she's in a film called Murderby Numbers that was in 1989.
Her next credit is 30 yearslater.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:41):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:41):
Her next credit, she doesn't have another acting
credit until 2019 for a filmcalled Rolling Thunder Review.
Wow.
So it's quite the hiatus.
Yeah, from acting.
Yeah, yeah.
But she's been performingotherwise.
She has continued existing.
Exactly.
So I just wanted to like makeclear it's not like she's, you

(01:12:03):
know, just like not doing thething that is her first love
that does happen for a lot ofpeople.
She's acting as a sort of thingis not yeah.
Acting is just like a sidething.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:12):
So it's a good side gig if you can get it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:14):
Side gig.
Film synopsis.
Teenager Nancy Thompson mustuncover the dark truth concealed
by her parents after she and herfriends become targets of the
spirit of a serial killer with abladed glove in their dreams, in
which, if they die, it killsthem in real life.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:33):
That that is a pretty complex synopsis for
IMDB, but but it's not bad.
It's it's uh No, it's on themoney.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:43):
Now we know we have our answer.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:45):
He's uh he's a spirit of a serial killer.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:48):
But would you say like if you say spirits are in
the house, I think that often issynonymous with ghosts.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:54):
Yeah, I'm fine calling him a ghost.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:55):
So I'm really drilling down on this.
Is he a ghost?
Because this month our socialmedia theme is the best ghosts
in 80s cinema, and I do includehim.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:08):
So I'm making the argument that he is a ghost.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:10):
He's dead, so he's dead.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:12):
So he was once human.
That's always a reallyinteresting conversation because
uh ghosts are supposed to beobstensibly former humans who
have died.
Whereas like a demon was never ahuman.
True.
So take from that what you will.

(01:13:35):
But I mean, I'm really glad thatwe finally covered this film.
It's so interesting to me thatit it and like because I'm not
saying that it shouldn't have,but it's interesting to me that
some some of these like random80s um actually a lot of these
films do have end up havingfranchises.

(01:13:56):
It's just that they don't becomeas popular.
Like Sleepaway Camp is afranchise.
The Slumber Party Massacre is afranchise.
Like all these films go on tohave all these sequels.
However, Nightmare on Elm Streetis, I would say, you know,
again, in the top, top five,hands down.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:13):
Because of Freddie.
Because of Freddie.
Yeah, because the the killer hasthis like attitude and and kind
of like interesting look and thecool thing with the glove.
I guess it's cool.
I don't know.
Um, so there's just like likethe the thought or the the um I
don't know what I would call it,the idea of Freddy Krueger for

(01:14:35):
me is more interesting than themovie.
But yeah, it has I'm probablygonna check out the others now
just to get because I like Isaid, the first time I watched
the first one from start tofinish, and so I'm probably
gonna check out the other onesjust to like people really bag
on the second one, I know.
Oh, I can't wait.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:55):
Um, I think that there's some interesting things
at the second film because Ithink there are some like
subtle, um, or maybe some peoplewould say not so subtle, um
overtones of like a gayrelationship, like a gay, gay
like love or romance orconnection between two of the
characters.
I don't know if that wasintentional or not, but that is

(01:15:16):
like largely a takeaway from thesecond film.
And like we were saying earlier,you know, once this franchise
gets some traction and peopleare interested in seeing more
Freddie Krueger, which you gottahave a great name, and Freddie
Kruger is a great name.
Better than Fred.
Better than Fred Krueger, yeah.
Uh, you know, they really playup his part in in these films.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:39):
That's what, yeah, because like just from the first
movie, you can see the potentialthere for that for that villain
to turn into something.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:45):
They lay seeds that make sense.
Yeah.
So for future films.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:50):
And I think that if anything, though, you know, you
saying you wanna, you're moreinterested now in watching their
films.
I'd like to do a rewatch of NewNightmare just for ourselves.
Because uh I would I am a suckerfor like the meta films.
I think they're always reallyinteresting in how they do that.
Yeah.
But yeah, so that's that's itfor now on a nightmare on Elm
Street.

(01:16:10):
That's it.
I mean, there are there areother films in the franchise
that we can cover that are inthe 80s.
Two and three, right?
Cracks.
Yeah, yeah.
So, and I would I would say we'dwe would do chronological order.
We don't always do that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:21):
When we get to uh episode 200, we will cover one
more nightmare movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:26):
We'll see if that falls on our Halloween series.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:28):
We'll have to see.
We'll have to do the math.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:30):
Which I'm sad because we got one more?
One more.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:37):
What do we got?

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:39):
We are ending this season's Halloween series with
Talk about Crown Lynch Corridor.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:48):
We have already covered a film in this
franchise, although a lot ofpeople would argue it has
nothing to do with thefranchise.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:55):
Oh my god.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:58):
We brought up the filmmaker who originated the
franchise earlier in thisepisode.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:04):
Oh my god, we're doing Halloween 3 Season of the
Witch.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:07):
Yes, we are.
I love it.
I love this movie.
It is incredibly divisive.
People seem to either love it orhate it.
I love it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:16):
You do.
I hated it when I first saw it,and now I now I just try to
appreciate and enjoy it for whatit is.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:23):
We have friends, one friend in particular who is like
a huge, huge, huge Halloweenfan.
Yeah.
Doesn't seem to acknowledge thisfilm, and that's fair.
That's fair, but I love it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:33):
I'll say this much.
There are certainly worseHalloween movies in the
Halloween franchise.
1000%.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:40):
So I'm so excited.
To me, the perfect film to endthis year's Halloween series
doesn't get much better than afilm that's called Halloween.
So it's right there in thefucking name.
Right there in the name.
So thank you to everybody outthere for hanging with us,
whether or not you have beenwith us for all 150 episodes,
which please let us know ifthat's the case, because that'd

(01:18:02):
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Send you a gift.

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Breakfast Club and keeplistening?
Because if so, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:12):
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listening to.
Either way, thank you so muchfor taking the time with all the
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We really appreciate that youare listening to ours.
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