Annie

In this episode, Anna and Derek chat about extraordinary child performances, Daddy Warbucks being more of a pushover than remembered, and much more during their discussion of the unappreciated (?) musical Annie (1982).

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SPEAKER_02 (04:20):
Punjab, buy out the 8 o'clock show.
Let's all go to the movie.
Hello and welcome to 80s MovieMontage.
This is Derek.

SPEAKER_04 (04:30):
And this is Anna.

SPEAKER_02 (04:31):
And that was Aline Quinn as Annie talking to Albert
Finney as Daddy Warbucks in1982's Annie.

SPEAKER_04 (04:38):
Annie!

SPEAKER_02 (04:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (04:41):
I'm actually really excited to talk about this one.

SPEAKER_02 (04:44):
I had seen it a couple times when I was a kid.
I mean, we both talked aboutthis last night when we watched
it, but I for sure did not havethe appreciation for what must
have gone into this.

SPEAKER_04 (04:56):
Like

SPEAKER_02 (04:57):
when I was watching it as a kid versus watching it
now, I'm like, wow.
Oh, I was really impressed.

SPEAKER_04 (05:04):
Very much so.
It's not a perfect film.
No.
It's, in fact, kind of uneven ina lot of places, but...

SPEAKER_02 (05:10):
It very much is.
But what they got out of thekids and...
Oh, my gosh.
I mean, it's crazy.
To the

SPEAKER_04 (05:14):
point where I was like, uh...
Yeah.
That's a lot to ask of a childactor,

SPEAKER_02 (05:20):
but...
Yeah, it really is.

SPEAKER_04 (05:21):
Let's dive in.
I'm sure we'll cover all of it.
So, like you said, Annie, 1982.
And real quick, before we jumpinto our usual...
cast of crew and characters,wanted to point out that it is
an Oscar-nominated film.
I mean, I guess I'm kind ofsurprised.
I mean, we'll talk about Annieherself.

(05:42):
We'll talk about Aline Quinn andour thoughts on her performance.
But, I mean, personally, realquick, I thought she was
phenomenal.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
Yeah, she was great.

SPEAKER_04 (05:54):
Not a ton of love for that performance in some
ways.
But as far as the Oscars areconcerned, these make sense.
for what it was nominated for.
The first is Best Art DirectionSet Decoration.
And the second is Best MusicOriginal Song Score.
And listen to this whole title.
So, okay.
Best Music, original song scoreand its adaptation or best

(06:17):
adaptation score.

SPEAKER_02 (06:19):
Well, because this movie was based on a musical
that was based on a comic.
Correct.
Right?
So it's interesting to me thatit would win for an original
score.
score, but that's maybe why thetitle was so long, because it
was Best Original Adapted...
Yeah,

SPEAKER_04 (06:33):
it was like Song Score.
I don't know.
The way that they have changedcategory names over the years,
it's hard to...
I mean...

SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
Best Original when we first heard it in another
format, which is why it wasadapted to this score.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_04 (06:50):
exactly.
And one thing that I also wantedto point out, because I kind of
saw this when I was goingthrough some I don't know.
I guess you'd call it trivia,but it's kind of sad.
So the person who was in chargeof production design, Dale
Hennessy, yeah, I think that'scorrect, actually passed away

(07:13):
during production.
And they brought someone elsein, but that person refused to
take credit because of thecircumstances.

SPEAKER_03 (07:24):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (07:25):
And so Dale is still credited.
Yeah.
Wow.
Wow.

(07:47):
The production design of thisfilm was amazing.
And we're talking 1982, so I'mnot trying to throw shade here,
but like everybody else, veryrecently we watched Wicked.
And it is an amazing film.
It's a gorgeous film.
But obviously they have at theirdisposal CGI.

SPEAKER_02 (08:06):
Well, they were, as opposed to trying to make
Depression-era New York, theywere making Oz movies.
Okay,

SPEAKER_04 (08:13):
fair.
However, there is a film calledThe Wizard of Oz that never had
CGI and they managed to do justfine.

SPEAKER_02 (08:22):
Well, they did okay.

SPEAKER_04 (08:23):
They did okay.
Also,

SPEAKER_02 (08:25):
just a quick update, correction and retraction.
Oh,

SPEAKER_04 (08:28):
what did I, did I say

SPEAKER_02 (08:29):
something?
No, it was me.
I'm the one that brought up theissue of the music when it was
based on a musical.
But in fact, Dumb Dog, Sandy,Let's Go to the Movies, We Got
Annie and Son.
They were all new songs.
They were all made expressly forthe movie.

SPEAKER_04 (08:44):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (08:45):
Yeah.
So there you go.

SPEAKER_04 (08:46):
And just to really quickly give a shout out, the
person who stepped in for DaleHennessy was Gene Callahan.
Okay.
All right.
So let's get into it.
Writers.
So as you mentioned, first wehave a comic strip, then we have
a Broadway show, and actually wealso have a play, and then we
have a movie.

SPEAKER_02 (09:06):
Okay.
You got a few things.

SPEAKER_04 (09:07):
The comic strip was originated by Harold Gray.
Okay.
Interestingly enough for thisfilm, didn't get a credit for
actually being the originator ofthe character, which at one
point was supposed to be a boy.
I think it was supposed to beLittle Orphan Otto, but it was
changed to a girl.

SPEAKER_02 (09:26):
Little Orphan Annie rolls off the tongue a little
bit better than Little OrphanOtto.

SPEAKER_04 (09:30):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Otto.
Yeah, I don't know.
From

SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
what I read.
Sounds like a little orphanedrobot, but.

SPEAKER_04 (09:36):
Shout out to Kinkakee, Illinois, which is
where Harold Gray is from.
That's not where I'm from, butit's like in the general area
where I grew up.
He already had passed in 1968,so maybe never realized the type
of fame that this comic stripwould gain one day.

(09:58):
Although I think it was a prettyfamous comic strip for its

SPEAKER_02 (10:01):
time.
It was featured in, well, theradio show based on the comic
was in Christmas Story.
Yeah, so many different waysthat

SPEAKER_04 (10:06):
this character was, yeah.
So...
As far as IMDb is concerned,Grey has seven writing credits.
They're all connected to Anniebecause he was the originator of
the character.
That's what he did.
So that's what he did.
All right.
Moving on to the person whowrote the Broadway book, which–
okay.
So I– we should have pulled ourfriend Goodfill– Yeah, what is a

(10:30):
Broadway book?
Okay.
Interesting.
Mm-hmm.
So they are credited for thisfilm.
He already passed away in 2017.
Unfortunately, because this waslike early 80s, a lot of people

(10:53):
connected with this movie are nolonger with us.
But as far as other credits, hehad some interesting credits.
So Meehan, some of his creditsinclude The Dick Cavett Show.
Okay.
TV series.
A couple films.
One of them is going to blowyour mind, I think.
One is To Be or Not to Be.
The other...
Spaceballs.

SPEAKER_02 (11:11):
What the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 (11:13):
So at some point

SPEAKER_02 (11:14):
he's going to- He wrote Spaceballs?
Yeah,

SPEAKER_04 (11:15):
he's going to come up again.

SPEAKER_02 (11:16):
Why did I just think that Mel Brooks wrote that?

SPEAKER_04 (11:19):
He probably had-

SPEAKER_02 (11:21):
Probably worked with him?

SPEAKER_04 (11:22):
Yeah, and I'm sure that, and it's possible that
Brooks has like a co-credit forit.
If anything, Brooks, I mean, Idon't think you like tell Mel
Brooks what to say.
He just says whatever he's goingto say, and it's probably going
to be better than whatever youthought.

SPEAKER_02 (11:36):
Probably.

SPEAKER_04 (11:36):
So- Anyway.
Okay.
And then he's also credited withSpaceballs colon animated
series.
No,

SPEAKER_02 (11:44):
no idea.
Didn't know that

SPEAKER_04 (11:45):
was a thing.

SPEAKER_02 (11:46):
Had no idea.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (11:47):
As well as, and this kind of makes sense in a weird
way.
He also has a credit for the TVspecial Elf, Buddy's Musical
Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 (11:56):
I didn't know that existed.
I'm willing to give it a shot,but I got to be honest.
I am very dubious of- TVChristmas specials.

SPEAKER_04 (12:03):
I know.
We've been burned.

SPEAKER_02 (12:05):
So many times.
Every

SPEAKER_04 (12:06):
time.

SPEAKER_02 (12:07):
A couple times.
All of the times.

SPEAKER_04 (12:09):
He also wrote on several Tony Awards, in fact,
eight of them.
So very much part of, like, hadhis foot in a lot of the
different entertainment realms,like live performance and
Broadway and TV and all of it,film, and just in general, a lot
of TV work.
Okay.
All right.
Moving on to, sorry, we havefour people credited here.
Martin...
Sharnan, I think, like thetoilet paper?

(12:31):
That's Sharman.
That's Sharman.
That's Sharman.
My

SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
apologies.
This guy, no one's ever accusedMartin of being squeezably soft.

SPEAKER_04 (12:40):
Oh, I'm sorry.
I apologize, Marvin.
So he's credited with the play.
He passed in 2019 a couple ofhis credits.
I think one of them has the mostamazing title.
Wonderful, Smarvelous, Gershwin.
Gershwin.
It is.

(13:00):
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (13:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (13:19):
The former...
She's, I think, has long sinceretired from acting.
She's now like an artist.
But Carol, so she was ascreenwriter.
Unfortunately, she's alsopassed, and she passed rather
early.
She passed in 1990 from liverdisease.
Oh.
So she had an amazing career.
For the time that she was withus, I feel pretty confident she
would have an even longerfilmography.

(13:40):
But some of her creditsinclude...
The TV series Peyton Plays.
And then, and lots of TV moviesas well.
The films I have for her, TheToy, Sylvester, Fried Green
Tomatoes.
Okay.
90s film, but a good film.
And Money for Nothing.
Nice.
Okay.

(14:00):
So moving on to a director whereI feel fairly confident that
this is going to be, well, maybenot.
I don't know, though.
This other, the other 80s filmof his...
I don't think we'll be coveringanytime soon.
John Huston.
Here's the thing, though.
There is a thing about him.
There is a thing about him.

(14:20):
The thing is that while I don'twant to throw out out-of-turn
rumors about somebody who can'tdefend themselves anymore
because he has passed away.
Actually, only five years afterthis film.

SPEAKER_03 (14:38):
He

SPEAKER_04 (14:38):
passed away in 1987.
So he was already 76 years oldwhen this film came out.
I mean, storied director.
I mean, I'll go through all theOscar love that he got over the
course of his career.
And some of his films, you'relike, oh, my goodness, it's the
same guy.
But from what we read, he wasn'tsuper interested in directing

(15:03):
this film.

SPEAKER_02 (15:03):
I don't totally remember.
That's not super good forsomeone who's supposed to direct
a film.

SPEAKER_04 (15:09):
Correct.
I don't know if he thought itwas like, I don't know, below
him.
I don't really know.
I don't know what the situationwas if he was just kind of an
older guy and was kind of...
I don't know.
It's hard to say.
But it was apparently, like, thefirst AD who really was the

(15:32):
person who directed this film.
Oh, okay.
And Houston, for the most part,had kind of, like, tapped out.
So take this for what you willas we go through his
filmography.
Will you do me a favor, though?
I know the first name of thefirst AD is Jeffrey.
Will you take a look while I'mgoing over Houston's
filmography?
I think last name is, like...

(15:54):
Zeismer, something close tothat.
I want to make sure we give hima shout out.

SPEAKER_01 (15:57):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (15:58):
So Houston, probably for anyone who has like a
passing interest in film, veryfamiliar with this director and
possibly even familiar with someof his earlier works.
His first directing credit wasin 1941.
Wow.
So more than 40 years prior forThe Maltese Falcon.
I've heard of that.

(16:19):
So that's...
The director we're talking abouthere.

SPEAKER_02 (16:22):
The director of the Maltese Falcon.

SPEAKER_04 (16:24):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (16:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (16:25):
Also to Danny.
Did he though?
Supposedly.
Yeah.
He was there.
Exactly.
And that kind of tells you alittle bit because we've already
talked about the productiondesigner and how they passed
away.
I mean, there's...
A lot of, I think, interestingstories in terms of, I mean,
even when you talk about, like,Gone with the Wind had a

(16:45):
director change.
Like, a lot of these films,there's a lot happening behind
the scenes.
Actually, in the prior episode,we talked about how Ron Howard
came in for other directors onSolo.
Yeah.
Like, it doesn't happen all thetime, but it happens.
It happens with directors.
It happens with other directors.

(17:05):
You know, crew members, thatsort of thing.
In any case, he starts strongbecause he gets...
So Houston, really a man who hada lot of different balls in the
air.
I think he was probably mostwell-known as a director.
He also did some acting.

SPEAKER_02 (17:23):
He did.

SPEAKER_04 (17:23):
He did some writing.
I'm going to kind of throw in alot of things that don't relate
directly to his...
directing work because thismight be the only time we talk
about him.
So for The Maltese Falcon, hedid get a Best Screenplay Oscar
nomination.
He goes on to get a nominationagain for Best Original
Screenplay.
He did not direct this film, butit was for Dr.

(17:44):
Ehrlich's Magic Bullet.
Never heard of that film.
That doesn't say much.
But also got a Best OriginalScreenplay Nomination for
Sergeant York.
Oh, okay.
Did not direct that one, though.
He wrote it, did not direct it.
He gets, now finally gets acouple wins.
He wins for Best Screenplay, andhe wins for Best Director for

(18:07):
The Treasure of Sierra Madre.
Oh, yeah.
He directs Key Largo.
I mean, it's just some hugefilms, huge films.
He gets more nominations.
He gets another Best Screenplayand Best Director nomination for
The Asphalt Jungle.
He directs The Red Badge ofCourage.
This is a great one and hasBogie and Katharine Hepburn.

(18:30):
He directs The African Queen,for which he gets, again, a Best
Director nomination as well asBest Screenplay.
I mean, these are

SPEAKER_02 (18:37):
all,

SPEAKER_04 (18:37):
like,

SPEAKER_02 (18:38):
classic.

SPEAKER_04 (18:39):
Classic films.
I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
He gets another Best Directornomination for an earlier
interview.
Gregory Peck.
Gregory Peck.

SPEAKER_02 (19:03):
Is that

SPEAKER_04 (19:03):
how he does?
Is that Gregory Peck?

SPEAKER_02 (19:06):
So I do it.

UNKNOWN (19:07):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (19:08):
He gets a Best Adapted Screenplay nomination
for Heaven Knows Mr.
Allison.
He directs The Misfits.
So that, I believe, was the lastfilm of both Marilyn Monroe as
well as Clark Gable.
Oh, okay.
Interesting.
So he does that one.
He gets a Best Supporting Actornomination.
nomination for a film.

(19:29):
He didn't direct this one, butit's for a film called The
Cardinal.
He does The Night of the Iguana.
The

SPEAKER_02 (19:35):
Night of the what now?

SPEAKER_04 (19:36):
Iguana.

SPEAKER_02 (19:37):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (19:37):
What did I say?
No,

SPEAKER_02 (19:38):
you said it.
Oh, okay.
I'm just not familiar with TheNight of the Iguana.

SPEAKER_04 (19:41):
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
He also didn't direct this, buthe gets a Best Adapted
Screenplay nomination for TheMan Who Would Be King.
And then here we go.
So one of his– if not the lastfilm he did– He directed, I
think, his own daughter becausehis daughter is Angelica
Houston.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, that's his kid.

(20:02):
Wow.
Okay.
So she gets an Oscar forPritzy's Honor.

SPEAKER_01 (20:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (20:07):
And he also got a Best Director Oscar now for
that.
So, okay, when you look at–those are like the biggest hits
from his filmography.
As

SPEAKER_02 (20:16):
a director.

SPEAKER_04 (20:17):
As a director.
Yeah.
For most of them.
It does seem a little out ofleft field for him to have
directed a film like Annie–

SPEAKER_02 (20:27):
Yeah, look, and I think it's obviously well known
at this point that one of thechallenges with the film was how
much money went into theproduction.
So I wonder how much they couldhave saved by not spending it on
a director that wasn'tinterested in actually directing
the movie.
Who knows?

SPEAKER_04 (20:44):
Yeah, I don't know what his paycheck was for the
film.
But, I mean, regardless ofhow...
involved he was with the actualdirection of it.
Again, an uneven film, but stillquite impressive.
Yeah.
And we'll get into that, I'msure, as well.

(21:06):
Were you able to find the nameof the first AD?

SPEAKER_02 (21:08):
Oh, yeah.
It was Jerry Zeismer.
Thank

SPEAKER_04 (21:10):
you.
Okay.
But

SPEAKER_02 (21:11):
before we move to him, I know that there are a
fair number of acting creditsfor Mr.
Houston as well.

SPEAKER_04 (21:18):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (21:18):
And I just wanted to bring up two.
Yeah, yeah.
He was in the early, early,like, not the Casino Royale with
Daniel Craig, the Peter Sellers.
Old, old Casino Royale movie.
And then he was also the voiceof Gandalf in the old, like,
animated

SPEAKER_04 (21:34):
Hobbit.
Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (21:36):
Animated series.
Not series, but there were,like, some TV movies.

SPEAKER_04 (21:39):
Yeah, he was a really interesting figure.

SPEAKER_02 (21:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (21:42):
I don't really know much about him.
I never really...
went down a rabbit hole of him,but he reminds me a lot.
And I swear it's not justbecause of the name, but he
reminds me a lot of John Ford,kind of these like kind of gruff
old school type directors.

SPEAKER_02 (21:57):
He has an old gruff voice.
If you've heard Gandalf thegray.
Yeah.
Performances.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (22:02):
I mean, for, for whatever he did or didn't do for
this film, he did legitimatelytracked.
Oh yeah.
Incredible movies.
So, all right, moving on tocinematography.
Yeah.
Richard Moore.
So Annie was his final credit.
So usually we talk a lot about–but he didn't– he's no longer

(22:23):
with us as well.
But he passed in 2009.
So, you know, 25 years, a littlebit more, went by between this
being his final credit as acinematographer and him passing
away.

SPEAKER_03 (22:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (22:38):
I don't know if it has something– so he– something
that's really interesting abouthis career, he co-founded
Panavision.

SPEAKER_02 (22:43):
Oh.
Well, maybe you don't have to do– maybe you're just doing
different things.
Yeah.
I mean, I

SPEAKER_04 (22:49):
think that's definitely what it was.
He was doing different things, Ithink.
Some of his credits, though, wehave his first credit, which was
in 1965.
That was for Operation CIA.
I have all films.
Young Americans, Wild in theStreets.
Winning! There's no exclamationthere, but I had to do it that

(23:10):
way.
I had to.
Winning! And the film that Iknew the best of all of these,
Maya Breckenridge.
Oh, cool.
Richard Moore.
All right.
Music.
Charles Strauss.
He is still with us.
96 years old.
Nice.
Well done, Mr.

(23:31):
Strauss.
Well done.
Not a ton less.
Well,

SPEAKER_02 (23:37):
got to pace yourself.
That's how you make it in your90s.

SPEAKER_04 (23:38):
To make it to 96.
Yeah.
It could very well be that hehas been very busy, just not
necessarily in the realm of liketelevision and film.
Maybe

SPEAKER_02 (23:49):
he works at

SPEAKER_04 (23:49):
Panavision.
Well, he's a composer.

SPEAKER_02 (23:52):
I know, but I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_04 (23:53):
Maybe.
I guess that doesn't fullyexclude him from working at
Panavision.
So a couple of his credits, filmcalled There Was a Crooked Man,
dot, dot, dot.

UNKNOWN (24:04):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 (24:05):
I like– that's a good ellipsis.

SPEAKER_04 (24:07):
There's not enough of those in– and you know what?
It's funny because sometimesthey change them around.
I believe When Harry Met Sallystill has an ellipsis.
Yeah.
But Better Off Dead used to haveone, and I think they got rid of
it.

SPEAKER_02 (24:19):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 (24:21):
Yeah.
So sometimes they keep them.
Sometimes they don't.
Dot, dot, dot.
Dot, dot, dot.
Another film, Just Tell Me WhatYou Want.
I

SPEAKER_02 (24:29):
kind of like that title.
I heard that was like analternate title to The Notebook.

UNKNOWN (24:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (24:36):
Tell me what you want.
He did the TV movie Annie Liveand then just like a handful of
TV movies and videos and shorts,kind of a little bit of this, a
little bit of that.
Okay.
Okay.
Moving on to film editing,Michael A.
Stevenson.
Let's see.
Actually, a really notablefilmography for him.

(24:57):
I have all films, starting withSeems Like Old Times.
He cut the– use my words.
He cut the toy.
He did that.

SPEAKER_02 (25:07):
The Richard Pryor Jackie Gleason?
Correct.
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (25:12):
So he worked on a couple like films in their
sequels.
So he did both Three Men and aBaby as well as Three Men and a
Little Lady.

SPEAKER_02 (25:20):
Those movies.

UNKNOWN (25:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (25:23):
Three Men and a Baby, I have not seen that in
forever.
I mean, that's the 80s, right?
We could do that.

SPEAKER_02 (25:27):
It stretched the concept to its very limits, and
they're like, challengeaccepted.

SPEAKER_04 (25:31):
Yeah.
Kind of an odd concept.

SPEAKER_02 (25:36):
Look at these guys.
They don't know how to be arounda baby.
So

SPEAKER_04 (25:39):
he did that.

SPEAKER_02 (25:42):
They're so out of place.

SPEAKER_04 (25:43):
As well as Honey, I Shrunk the Kids and Honey, I
Blew Up the Kid.
Yeah.
I don't know if that title wouldbe used.
It's just such a weird, weirdtitle.
Well, it's not.

SPEAKER_02 (25:57):
I exploited the kid.
Yeah, that's true.
I disintegrated the kid.

SPEAKER_04 (26:00):
I disintegrated the kid.
So he probably will come upagain.
National Lampoon's ChristmasVacation.
He has very much a niche if youlook at these films as a whole
because then he also cut TheSandlot.
Okay.
Look Who's Talking Now.
Jungle to Jungle.
Flubber.
Muppets from Space, andGarfield, colon, the movie.

SPEAKER_02 (26:22):
Like family, family kind of stuff.
But then those were all oneswhere he was actually like the
credit was editor.
Correct.
And then there's one that Ireally love, which seems to go
off in a slightly differentdirection where he was just in
the editorial department calledMurder by Death.
Wow.
Probably less of the familyfare, but who knows?

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We are at the stars of the film.
Before we get there.
Oh, sure.
I'm just going to give a quickshout out.
We mentioned his name, the firstAD, Jerry Zeismer.
But I just want to note, sincehe was the first AD on some
movies that we have bothcovered, and I think that we
enjoy, Some Kind of Wonderful.
Yes.
First AD.
Midnight Run.
I do enjoy that.

(27:03):
Say Anything.

SPEAKER_04 (27:03):
We'll definitely do Midnight Run at some point.

SPEAKER_02 (27:06):
Yeah.
Say Anything, which we have alsocovered.
Marked for Death, which I willnever watch.
And Jerry Maguire in AlmostFamous.

SPEAKER_04 (27:15):
Uh...
Why not mark for– oh, is that aSteven Seagal film?
Yes.
Okay.
All right.
Fair enough.
Say no more.
Yeah.
So thank you for doing that.
That is very much something thatwe should do for somebody who
presumably directed this film.
And if you didn't, sorry.

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Sorry, but sorry, not sorry.
All right, moving on to AlbertFinney.
This is the way I'm going to doit because of the way that they
were credited in the film.
And I think it's fair.
Like, this was Aline Quinn'sfirst film, and she was amazing.
But this is not actually too...
Well,

SPEAKER_02 (27:53):
yeah, it's the same thing that we kind of talked
about in the last one.
Correct.
With Warwick Davis not gettingfirst billing, even though he's
basically carrying the movie.

SPEAKER_04 (28:01):
True.

SPEAKER_02 (28:02):
And this movie, like Annie, like succeeds or fails on
her performance, honestly.
Yes.
Like Daddy Warbucks could havelike fallen flat in his face and
no one would really care.

SPEAKER_04 (28:13):
Yeah.
I mean, he is...
But

SPEAKER_02 (28:16):
he didn't.
He was really

SPEAKER_04 (28:17):
good.
This is such an interestingcharacter.
Like, I was thinking about this.
So this is like a two-hourmovie.
It's not a short movie.

SPEAKER_01 (28:25):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (28:25):
I do think it goes along at like a decent clip.
I kind of enjoy the first halfmore than the second half.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
You enjoy the second half more?

SPEAKER_02 (28:34):
Well, I felt like the beginning...
The beginning where they're,like, setting up, there was more
of them in the orphanagecleaning and being mistreated,
basically.

SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (28:48):
Than I would have accepted.
Expected.
Mm-hmm.
And then you have, like, thewhole scene where she finds the
dog and kicks the shit out ofthose kids, which is great.
Amazing.
Love her.
Yeah, gotta keep that in.
Such a

SPEAKER_04 (29:01):
spunky little kid.

SPEAKER_02 (29:02):
She sure is.
She, like, belts a couple ofthem.
She's like, who wants some more?
She's

SPEAKER_04 (29:05):
amazing.
I love how fucking tough she is.

SPEAKER_02 (29:08):
Yeah.
But it didn't seem...
I wasn't really sure.
Where is this all going?
So until Warbucks says that hewants to fully adopt her and
they're going to be her parents,and she's like, I'm still
waiting for my real parents.
It feels like a second moviestarts then.
It

SPEAKER_04 (29:27):
does.
Yeah.
I mean, the reason why I saidthat is because I think despite
the fact of it being a two-hourmovie, the...
arc for Warbucks felt a littletoo easy.
I

SPEAKER_02 (29:45):
hate kids.
I love Annie.

SPEAKER_04 (29:46):
Yeah.
It happened.
It felt really fast.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:52):
That's fair.
So

SPEAKER_04 (29:55):
that's fine.
That's fine.
I mean, maybe that is just likea little bit what a musical is.

SPEAKER_02 (30:01):
That's the power of Anne ranking who we'll get to.
Oh,

SPEAKER_04 (30:05):
sure.
Because it was all...
Oh, she's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (30:07):
It was really like...
Her.
Brokering

SPEAKER_04 (30:12):
the relationship

SPEAKER_02 (30:13):
between them.
Because he's telling her, like,oh, this is really important to
you.
And she's like, it is.
And so that's what really, like,pushed him over the edge.

SPEAKER_04 (30:20):
Yeah.
And then we could get into theromance question mark between
the two of them, too.
Because, like, that's just,like, that's literally at the
end is, like, one kiss and thenthere you go.
I mean, I know they have thatlittle conversation.
We'll get to that.
Yeah.
But love Albert Finney.
He passed away in 2019.
Yeah.
And he was a five-time nominatedOscar, or five-time Oscar

(30:44):
nominee is the way I'll say it,all for acting, of course.
And very early in his career,his first nom was for, and let's
see, they're all, well, okay,except for the last one, which I
also love him in.
They're all best actor.
The last one's best supporting.
But the first, Tom Jones.
Have you ever seen Tom Jones?

SPEAKER_02 (31:02):
No.
Is that the Not Unusual?
No.

SPEAKER_04 (31:04):
No, not.
Which is kind of funny, right?
Although I guess Tom Jones isn'tlike a totally, like that's
probably a pretty common name.
Fair enough.
He, I remember seeing it in filmschool.
Oh.
And I was, and I, I knew thefilm was an, it won, it won best
picture for its year.
So I was like, okay, I know ofthe film.
I don't know the film.

(31:25):
It's a really great film.
Okay.
And he's fantastic in it.
So go see that.
That's like 1963.
So he gets the first nom there.
He's in Two for the Road.
He's in not Scrooge,

SPEAKER_02 (31:40):
but Scrooge.
Just Scrooge.
Just Scrooge.
He's Ebenezer Scrooge.
Correct.

SPEAKER_04 (31:44):
He gets his next nomination for Murder on the
Orient Express.

SPEAKER_02 (31:49):
Where he played Hercule Poirot.
Okay, you know that.
That's the main guy, thedetective.
Oh,

SPEAKER_04 (31:55):
okay, so I don't really know that

SPEAKER_02 (31:56):
stuff at all.
Yeah, he's the guy.

SPEAKER_04 (31:57):
Okay, he's the guy.

SPEAKER_02 (31:59):
I wonder, he probably, he had to have had the
mustache because that's justlike a trademark of the
character.

SPEAKER_04 (32:03):
Okay.
Yeah.
He probably will come up againbecause we will almost certainly
at some point cover Wolfen.

SPEAKER_02 (32:10):
Wait, which is Wolfen, was it Wolfen 2 that got
all crazy at the end?
You know the one where thecredits...

SPEAKER_04 (32:19):
Your sister is a werewolf?

SPEAKER_02 (32:21):
Is that it?
Is that the sequel?

SPEAKER_04 (32:24):
Is it The Howling?

SPEAKER_02 (32:25):
I don't know.
It might be The Wolfen.
Wolfen sequel.
It

SPEAKER_04 (32:28):
might be Wolfen.
Yeah.
I feel like you're going to lookthat one up for us to confirm.
But he's in that, so I'm surewe're going to do that at some
point.
It's the one that gets shortshrift with all the werewolf
films that I think all came outin 1981.
The 80s

SPEAKER_02 (32:45):
were huge with them.
Werewolf movies.

SPEAKER_04 (32:48):
Yeah, yeah, especially the early 80s.
But I'm pretty sure AmericanWerewolf in London, The Howling,
and Wolfen, I think they allcame out in 81.
It's kind of bizarre.
So he's in that.
He gets his next Oscarnomination for The Dresser.
And I don't know these films.
He gets another one for Underthe Volcano.

(33:08):
Under the Volcano?
Yeah, I don't know it.
Okay.
Miller's Crossing, A Man of NoImportance, Breakfast of
Champions.
He is so good in AaronBrockovich.

SPEAKER_02 (33:21):
Yeah.
No, that's what I think of interms of his standout.
He's so good.
He's good in everything, butthat one really stands out in my
mind.

SPEAKER_04 (33:29):
Yeah.
I'm glad he got a nomination.
I wish he would have won.
I'm wondering who did wininstead.
He's in Big Fish.
I would presume you know himfrom, because you like these
movies, The Bourne Ultimatum andThe Bourne Legacy.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (33:42):
Yes, on all counts.
Okay.
Yeah, I do enjoy those moviesquite a bit and I like his
character.

SPEAKER_04 (33:47):
And then his final credit, this is the James Bond
film, right?
Skyfall?

SPEAKER_02 (33:52):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (33:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (33:53):
Yeah, it was part of like the Daniel Craig, James
Bond arc, which is reallyinteresting because it goes from
like start to finish becausehe's dead at the end in a film
ironically entitled No Time toDie.
They found just enough time.

SPEAKER_04 (34:07):
I think you've said that before.

SPEAKER_02 (34:09):
Probably on this podcast.
That joke writes itself, so Ijust feel bad if I don't put it
out there.

SPEAKER_04 (34:17):
But yeah, I mean, Finney, I think he's a
phenomenal actor.
I think that very much theintention of the way the
character is introduced is to bevery over the top, to be very
intimidating.
Yeah.
I mean, especially the introscene with him where he just is
like barking at everybody in thebeginning.
Get this

SPEAKER_02 (34:37):
kid out

SPEAKER_04 (34:37):
of here.
But it is kind of interestingbecause like– and we'll get to
it.
I just– I really am excited totalk about Aline Quinn because
the way that she immediatelykind of emotionally manipulates
him when she first meets him is–Yeah.

(35:11):
You know, the song at the endwhere he basically, like, in the
lyrics it says, you've wrappedme around your little finger.
She immediately does that.

SPEAKER_02 (35:18):
Well, even in the clip that we started the episode
with where she's like, yeah,it's better to just not even
know we are missing.
It's so good.
But he knows it.
Like, he's not, like, he'scertainly not dumb.
No.
But I think he, like...
kind of appreciates there's somelike admiration and how mutual

SPEAKER_04 (35:41):
admiration

SPEAKER_02 (35:41):
there yeah

SPEAKER_04 (35:43):
and even like it's you know when he's like I think
you should know a little bitabout me And he talks to her
like– he says to her, can wehave a man-to-man talk?
Yeah.
And she's like, sure.
She just immediately is like– Is

SPEAKER_02 (35:57):
that when he's like, let's go outside.
Yeah.
And they're like, let's go backin.

SPEAKER_04 (36:00):
And they both have like their hands behind their–
it's really endearing.
But then he's telling her likesome pretty serious stuff like
my brother died.
Yeah.
That's when I realized beingrich was the most important
thing to me.
You know, in his own way, he'svery much making himself
vulnerable to tell her about Whyhe is the way he is.
Which

SPEAKER_02 (36:19):
I think, don't they say that he's a billionaire?
He is a billionaire.
Which in 1982 is probablylike...

SPEAKER_04 (36:26):
Well, the film comes out in 1982, but the film is set
in 1933.
Well, that's

SPEAKER_02 (36:29):
even more ridiculous then.
Yes,

SPEAKER_04 (36:31):
he is a billionaire in

SPEAKER_02 (36:32):
1933.
Because a billionaire, thatwouldn't even make any sense
then.

SPEAKER_04 (36:34):
Well, that I think is part of maybe, perhaps, why
the comic strip had...
It's popularity because likeactually if you look at films of
the late 1930s, early– pre-WorldWar II.

SPEAKER_01 (36:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (36:50):
Where we're still very much in the Great
Depression, people flocked tothe films that showed high
society and rich life because itwas escapism.
And so my theory is that thereason why Warbucks was part of
the comic strip is becausethat's the same– Same way that
people looked at that character.
It was kind of an aspirational,in a way, escapist type of way

(37:14):
of looking at something,character.
Sorry, I'm not articulating thatthat well, but you know what I
mean.
No, I do, yeah.
So, okay, let's move on to MissHannigan,

SPEAKER_02 (37:27):
Carol Burnett.
She was incredible in this.
Incredible! Because I...
primarily would like know herfrom the Carol Burnett show.
And this character could nothave been more different.
Oh, I mean, she was just likethis fucking mean, horny old

(37:47):
lady.
It was just like a mean, hornychild abusing lady.
Yes.
Who gets it?
Who somehow gets it?
Yeah.
I honestly thought she was justgoing to like die in that tub.
I didn't realize she, she waslike using the tub to make, make
the liquor or something.
But then I, It was...
Prohibition was over, right?
It was a lot.
I don't...

(38:08):
Was it?
Maybe?
I don't know.
I don't know.
You have to go watch TheUntouchables for me to remember
that.

SPEAKER_04 (38:15):
I mean, 1920s for sure.
Let's take a look at theProhibition era.
Oh, interesting.
From 1920 to 33.
Okay.
So potentially, we are at thevery talent of the Prohibition
era.
So maybe that's why she wasmaking her...
bathtub gin

SPEAKER_02 (38:35):
or whatever it was.
That batch was too strongbecause she was sauced in every
fucking second of the movie.

SPEAKER_04 (38:41):
I mean, she's such an incredible actor.
Amazing physical comedy.
Yeah.
I mean, based upon decades ofwork with like the Carol Burnett
show and other projects.
She is so fun to watch.
I mentioned to you that like SoI listened to a podcast ages

(39:02):
ago, but from what I recall, shereally was very much...
I mean, obviously, she is aperformer.
She was the star of The CarolBurnett Show, but that was
always her interest in singingin addition.
So she really wanted this roleto be...
I mean, obviously, she's notshowing off operatic...
singing chops, but like, itgives her a chance to do

(39:23):
something in a, on a larger

SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
scale.
And you mentioned that we haverecently seen Wicked.
Yeah.
And so you have like the twoleads who are obviously very
accomplished singers.
Yeah.
And then other people like,look, do look Jeff Goldblum.
He did, he did as good of a jobas you'd expect Jeff Goldblum to
do in singing.
I think Carol Barnett was likein this middle tier where she

(39:46):
did like, Markedly better thanjust like, you know, another
actor who would be in thatposition where she had to sing.
She wasn't on par with like atop tier like singing
performance, but she was reallygood.

SPEAKER_04 (40:00):
Fun fact that connects Wicked to this film.
What's that?
Christian Chenoweth.
Oh.
She was up for the role of Annieas a child.
Okay.
But she had too strong of aSouthern accent.

SPEAKER_02 (40:12):
Wow.

UNKNOWN (40:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (40:13):
So there you go.

SPEAKER_02 (40:14):
That never stopped Sean Connery from anything.

SPEAKER_04 (40:17):
Sean Connery also- Was up for Annie?
Was up for- Now take this, Ialways take this as a grain of
salt, but he apparently was intalks about playing Daddy
Warbucks and was supposedly eventaking singing lessons, but that
never worked out.

SPEAKER_02 (40:34):
Oh my God, that would have been amazing.
I like

SPEAKER_04 (40:37):
Albert Finney.
No, no.

SPEAKER_02 (40:39):
Yeah.
He was great.
And that's who I have alwaysjust like envisioned now since
like seeing the kid.
Yeah.
Again, like we talked about, Ijust didn't have the same
appreciation for the movie whenI first saw it.
Neither did I have anappreciation of who he was, of
that actor.

SPEAKER_04 (40:54):
Yeah.
I mean, to really quickly talkabout like first time, I don't,
I don't have like a memory ofseeing this for the first time.
I just know that for some reasonI saw it a ton as a kid and then
I haven't seen it in years.
So it– It was almost like aclean slate seeing it for the
first time.
I

SPEAKER_02 (41:11):
remember that it ended on like a bridge or
something that she was climbingand had to be rescued from.
I had these like core

SPEAKER_04 (41:18):
memories of certain scenes.
Yeah.
Especially all the Carol Burnettscenes because she's so
memorable.
And she's very much still withus, 91 years old.
So as far as her credits areconcerned, I have mostly
television.
Mostly her show.
Mostly her show.
So the TV series, The CarolBurnett Show, 287 episodes, 125

(41:41):
primetime Emmys.
The show.
Yeah.
So amazing.
I mean, something that is verymuch a extraordinary part of TV
history.
She also, like, kind of, notspinoffs, but, like, some of the
characters from...
I think the Carol Burnett show,she was on Mama's Family.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (42:01):
yeah.
I could, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (42:02):
But that wasn't really, that was more Vicky,
Vicky, Vicky.
I can't remember her last name.
It was like her show.
So she was on Carol and Company.
She was in the film Noises Off.
Kind of makes sense.
I didn't know this.
She was on, for a little bit, onthe TV show All My Children.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay.
Which I think is kind of fun.

(42:22):
She was on Mad About You.
More recently, in fact, lastyear, Palm Royale.
So she was on that.
And I mean, my goodness, if yougo to her filmography so much.

SPEAKER_02 (42:34):
So many one-offs and like so many other, like, I
mean, she was in four episodesof Better Call Saul.

SPEAKER_04 (42:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (42:41):
Yeah.
Do you remember

SPEAKER_04 (42:42):
her from that?

SPEAKER_02 (42:43):
I do.
Yeah.
I'd have to watch it again.
But yeah, I remember likeclocking that.

SPEAKER_04 (42:49):
I mean, she's a really good actress.
She's not just kind of this likewacky actress.
you know, body or like physicalcomedy type performer.
She's a really good actor.
She,

SPEAKER_02 (43:00):
she is.
Yeah.
Like I always, for, for whateverreason, I always like kind of
think of her in the same kind oflike company of Lucille Ball.
Very much so.
And

SPEAKER_04 (43:11):
she was very, like they were friends and she was
very inspired by Lucille Ball.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that makes total sense.
Okay.
Moving on to, you mentioned hera minute ago, Anne Rankine.

SPEAKER_03 (43:24):
So

SPEAKER_04 (43:25):
I was really sad.
I didn't realize when I wasdoing my research that she had
also passed.
She passed in 2020.
So she has a really shortfilmography because for the
majority of her career, she wasa Broadway dancer.
She was a cinematographer.
I'm sorry, cinematographer.
She was a choreographer.
Yeah, that would be really,really.
Panavision?
Panavision.
Panavision.

(43:48):
So yes, that's where she spentmost of her career, on stage.
And I was mentioning to youwhile we were watching the film,
I didn't realize like she had areally close relationship with
Bob Fosse.

SPEAKER_01 (43:59):
So

SPEAKER_04 (44:00):
she was part of kind of that whole world.
And she plays Grace.
I'm going to say Farrell.
Is it Farrell?
Farrell?
Farrell.

SPEAKER_02 (44:08):
Sure.

SPEAKER_04 (44:08):
Sure.
So, oh, Vicki Martin, right?
That's who, is that her lastname?
From, because I want to alwaysmake sure.
The actress who worked withCarol Burnett.
Oh, I don't, I don't know.
But you know who I'm talkingabout, right?
From Mama's Family?

SPEAKER_02 (44:24):
Oh, yes.
But I don't recognize the name.
I recognize, like, because thatwas Mama, right?
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (44:31):
Well, now I got to see Mama's Family.

SPEAKER_02 (44:35):
Come on.
Please stand by.

SPEAKER_04 (44:36):
Please stand by.
Vicki Lawrence, my apologies.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:41):
I don't recognize that name either, but I
recognize the show Mama'sFamily, and I would recognize
the face.
Of course.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (44:48):
So as far as Ann Ranking goes...
The couple credits that I havefor her, she was also– this
makes all the sense in theworld.
She was also in the film AllThat Jazz.
I'm kind

SPEAKER_02 (44:56):
of surprised she wasn't in like Chorus Line or
like some of those because–

SPEAKER_04 (45:01):
She would have been great as– and forgive me for not
remembering character names.
But the character who is kind ofaging out of it, I think she
would have been– who knows?
Maybe she did try out for someof these roles.
But yeah, I only have All ThatJazz and Mickey and Maude.
Okay.
So she was so good in this film.

(45:21):
She really was.
She's so sweet.
It's really cute how quickly shefound herself attached to Annie.
I really like her in this film.
That's why I was kind of sad Ididn't see her anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (45:34):
When she first visits the orphanage.
She like encounters her andimmediately she's just like,
yeah, this kid's great.

SPEAKER_04 (45:42):
Yeah.
And she's also tough.
Like when Miss Hannigan's like,you can have any kid except for
Annie and she fights for her.

SPEAKER_02 (45:49):
Yeah.
I remember the scene where she'slike, fuck you.
I'm getting Annie.
Yeah.
Didn't say it like that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (45:53):
But that's essentially what the sentiment
was.
Yeah.
And then Annie, When Annie– andalso I just– I love all these
little moments when Annie'slike, well, we have to bring my
dog.
And she's like, we weren'tlooking for a dog.
And then Annie's like, well,then I can't come with you.
And like every– except for like–like it's really clear that
like, quote, good people allhave integrity and then the bad

(46:14):
people don't.
But it's– we'll get to– MissHannigan's redemption arc,
question mark, at the end of thefilm.

SPEAKER_02 (46:22):
Her redemption arc basically consists of not
murder.

SPEAKER_04 (46:25):
Yeah, you can do anything you want.
You can abuse her.
We can steal money under falsepretense.
We can do all these things, butjust don't kill her.
Don't kill her.
Yeah, and I mean, it's just kindof funny when she's like, she's
just a baby, which is a lineright out of Poltergeist.
But anyway, so...

SPEAKER_02 (46:41):
That does lead very, very nicely...
To the next person on the list.

SPEAKER_04 (46:47):
Tim Curry.

SPEAKER_02 (46:47):
The person who was going to kill her.

SPEAKER_04 (46:49):
The person who was going to kill her.

SPEAKER_02 (46:50):
Yeah.
Her brother.

SPEAKER_04 (46:51):
Rooster.
So many.
Which it's so funny because whenhe and Burnett Peters come up
pretending to be Annie's parentsand they're kind of practicing
on Hannah again.
I'm like, you're seriouslytelling me you don't recognize
your own brother just becausehe's wearing like a bigger
mustache.

SPEAKER_02 (47:10):
No one is that drunk.
No one's that drunk.
He had a hat, too.

SPEAKER_04 (47:14):
He had a hat.

SPEAKER_02 (47:15):
And I think Bernadette Peters had a hat
also.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (47:19):
I mean, it's very much the Clark Kent glasses

SPEAKER_02 (47:22):
thing.
Two hats and a mustache.
Tough.
But I

SPEAKER_04 (47:24):
will say, okay, so first of all, love Tim Curry.
Feel like he's a littleunderutilized.

SPEAKER_02 (47:32):
Yeah, very much so.

SPEAKER_04 (47:33):
In this role.
And we'll get to her too, butsame thing with Bernadette
Peters.
But I guess it's like, okay,it's already a two-hour movie.

SPEAKER_02 (47:38):
No, I think she was utilized fine.

SPEAKER_04 (47:40):
Oh, I like Bernadette Peters.
That's as much as I can handle.
So...
Tim Curry is amazing.
Unfortunately, he's also hadsome like more reason.
We talked about this with ValKilmer.
He's had some recent healthconditions, which have somewhat
impacted his ability to work.
But he still has, as of thismoment, over 240 acting credits.

SPEAKER_02 (48:03):
I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but when we
went to, what was it, MonsterFest?

SPEAKER_04 (48:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (48:07):
Yeah.
And he was- Monsterpalooza.
Monsterpalooza, sorry.
Thank you very

SPEAKER_04 (48:11):
much.

SPEAKER_02 (48:12):
But there were opportunities to meet some of
the celebrities from differentmovies.
And Tim Curry's was in a wholeseparate building.

SPEAKER_04 (48:21):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (48:21):
Because just to manage the capacity of the
number of people that wanted toget the chance just to see him
for even a second.

SPEAKER_04 (48:27):
He had his own auditorium.

SPEAKER_02 (48:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (48:29):
Yeah.
Because he's that beloved.
And deservedly so.
Absolutely.
Not the first time we've eventalked about him.
This is, I believe, the third.
At least.
Probably the last.
Just as far as his work in the80s that we can cover.

SPEAKER_02 (48:42):
I'll see what I can do.

SPEAKER_04 (48:43):
So, of course, he comes onto the scene very strong
early in his career.
He is in the Rocky HorrorPicture Show.
Yes.
Amazing.
Amazing.
I mean, love him in that.
I think it's also interestingthat he does something like
that.
That is a very strongperformance, a very iconic type

(49:05):
of character.
And then he goes– like it makessense that he would be in
something like Legend off of aperformance like that.
But I actually think it's reallyinteresting that he's in a film
like Annie and he's in a filmlike Clue because those are much
more subdued performances.

SPEAKER_02 (49:19):
Clue maybe– towards the end it gets pretty– He gets,
he's able to like really amp itup a little bit.
Yeah.
And like in the dance scene thathe has in Annie, he's able to
like let some of that out.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (49:35):
And that's kind of what I'm getting at is like the
real performance part of Annie.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (50:03):
Well, I think we talked about that.
It

SPEAKER_04 (50:06):
was actually pretty taxing to be in all that makeup.
He is phenomenal in that.
Go check that one out.
And he does a lot of stuffbecause he is both on screen.
He obviously has this reallyinteresting voice.
So he's done a lot of voicework.
He was on a TV series,Paddington Bear.
He's done a lot of kid stuff.

(50:27):
And it's funny because with thatone in particular, he was a
character, Mr.
Curry.
So Tim Curry played Mr.
Curry.
He, of course, is iconic in theTV miniseries It.

SPEAKER_02 (50:40):
He's the best part of that.
It has not...
Aged very well.
But yes, I think.

SPEAKER_04 (50:44):
Do you think his performance, though, has aged
well?
I think his performance has agedwell.

SPEAKER_02 (50:48):
I think it has.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't.
It's probably.
Pennywise.
Probably like really going outon a limb to say that his
performance is why they did likea revisit of that movie.

SPEAKER_04 (50:59):
I don't think that's going out on a limb.

SPEAKER_02 (51:00):
But yeah.
I mean, he's so iconic in that.
I wish I wish we could have hadhim as Pennywise with like.
the modern, like everything elseupgraded, modernized.

SPEAKER_04 (51:12):
No shade to Skarsgård.

SPEAKER_02 (51:14):
No, it was just a very, it was like, it was less,
there was like this sinisterplayfulness with Curry and he
brought something to it wherethe Skarsgård version is just
more like pure evil without,like with Curry, you very much
got the sense of him just likeplaying, like fucking with them

(51:34):
just because that's, What heliked to do.
I

SPEAKER_04 (51:37):
think you picked up on like what I was not in a very
articulate way trying to say isthat there's a playfulness to
everything that he does.
And I love when we get to seemore than less of that.
Yeah.
So and that's why, again, likeI'm kind of even surprised he
wanted to maybe even be in thisfilm because he wasn't given a
ton outside of what you saidwith the one musical number.

(51:58):
Apparently Mick Jagger.
Wanted to have this role.
And this wasn't even the firsttime.
I

SPEAKER_02 (52:04):
would have been fine with that.
Honestly, it's like, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 (52:07):
He could have been fun.
I guess he also was up for thesame role in Rocky Horror
Picture Show.
But I'm glad Curry.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (52:15):
I mean, I could see I could see that.
But I think it'd be tough to topCurry's performance.
Agreed.
As Dr.
Frank-Inferter.
Correct.

SPEAKER_04 (52:25):
Okay, moving through some of his other credits.
Oscar, he did voice work for theTV series Peter Pan and the
Pirates.
He is in Home Alone 2, Lost inNew York.
Too bad, because we'll neverwatch it.
We'll never watch it.
The Three Musketeers, TheShadow, Congo.
Oh, The Shadow.
When was that?
90s.
Damn.
Muppet Treasure Island.

(52:47):
He does more voice work for theTV series Mighty Ducks, the
animated series, as well as twoother shows, Jumanji, Voltron,
Colon, The Third Dimension.
He is in, these are some films,Mikhail's Navy, Charlie's
Angels, Scary Movie 2, a TVseries called Family Affair.

(53:08):
Okay.
And as I said, over 240 actingcredits, so far, far more than
what I've covered.
Okay.
Bernadette Peters.
So she plays Lily.
She is Rooster's girlfriend.

(53:30):
They're a fun couple in thatthey just, like, are always
scheming together.
Always.
The entire time.
At every moment.
Every moment.
Every moment.
Apparently, another person whowas up for Rooster was Steve
Martin, but he was coming out ofa relationship with Benedict
Peters.

SPEAKER_02 (53:50):
I'm guessing from their work together on The Jerk.

SPEAKER_04 (53:54):
That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 (53:55):
Which would have been before this because that
was like late 70s.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (53:59):
So she does have actually a fair number of like
film and TV credits, but shealso huge Broadway performer.
So that is where she has spent aton of her time over the course
of her career.
But some of her credits includethe TV series All's Fair, To
Your Point, The Jerk.
Yep.
And she worked with Martin alot.

(54:21):
She's in Pennies from Heaven.
Yeah.
Pink Cadillac.
The film Alice.
She too, she has an interestingvoice.
So she has done voice work.
She has done voice work for theAnimaniacs.
Oh, okay.
That's fun.
And then I think most of what Ihave for her is also TV.
Ugly Betty, Smash, Mozart in theJungle, The Good Fight, and High

(54:43):
Desert.

SPEAKER_02 (54:44):
Interestingly enough, because we've brought up
so many other Wicked orOz-related references, she
played Glinda.
She voiced Glinda in Legends ofOz, Dorothy's Return.

SPEAKER_04 (54:55):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (54:56):
I don't know what that is, but she was in it.
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (55:02):
Okay.
Moving on to, finally, AlineQuinn.
All right.
Who plays Annie.
So we're going to kind of burnthrough the next five people
because in comparison to...
Just these like huge iconicfigures that have been part of
entertainment in Hollywood.
And this isn't to diminishanybody who's loved.

(55:24):
It's just that they've decidedto do other things, I think,
with their lives in large part.
Which happens with kids.
Happens with kids all the time.
In a way, though, I got to sayI'm kind of shocked because to
me, she puts in a phenomenalperformance.

SPEAKER_02 (55:41):
She really did.
I agree.
Yeah.
I mean,

SPEAKER_04 (55:43):
she is like who...

SPEAKER_02 (55:44):
From the very beginning.
A

SPEAKER_04 (55:45):
Laura Dannen would be if she grew up a couple
years.
Like when we talked about howLaura Dannen had such an
expressive face as a baby.
Yeah.
Obviously, it was twins playingthat role.
I was like, oh, I could see thatthis would have been Annie a
couple years down the road.
She's so good.
She is so good as a child actor.
She was.

(56:05):
I mean, I am smitten with her ineverything, every single scene
that she's in.
And she's in most So she hasnine total acting credits.
You know, as a kid, she did alot of voice work.
So she was in, like, did voicework for a film, I'm presuming

(56:27):
animated, The Wizard of Oz.
So

SPEAKER_02 (56:28):
there we go, another wicked connection.
I mean, maybe I shouldn't besurprised.
There are so many back and forthmusicals, but it is a lot.

SPEAKER_04 (56:36):
A TV movie she did voice work for called The
Charmkins.
Okay.
The film The Frog Prince.
And then way, way further downthe line, a film called Multiple
Sarcasms.
I think you brought that up.

SPEAKER_02 (56:49):
That's come up before, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (56:51):
So, I mean, we've kind of brought her up.
all along throughout thisepisode so far.
But, you know, it makes me sadto hear that she was, you said,
up for a Razzie, or she won.
She

SPEAKER_02 (57:05):
won a Razzie for worst, like, new...
I

SPEAKER_04 (57:08):
think, first of all, that's so shitty.
To

SPEAKER_02 (57:10):
do it for a kid is like...
Kids should

SPEAKER_04 (57:12):
be off limits.
Yeah.
Even if they're...
you know, under like juvenileperformers or whatever.
And I know they're in thespotlight.
I know that like, it's aperformance like anybody else's
to be critiqued, but she's stilla fucking kid.
Give

SPEAKER_02 (57:27):
one to that kid from the mummy part too.
But I mean, leave Annie

SPEAKER_04 (57:30):
alone.
I know I didn't have greatthings to say about that person,
but she's so good in this andshe's so charismatic.
I mean, and also we'll get intothis cause I am going to bring
up a couple of the other, uh,Orphans, I guess you would

SPEAKER_02 (57:46):
say.
Yes, you'd have to.
That's what

SPEAKER_04 (57:48):
they all are.
That's what they are.
But holy cow, for what thesekids were asked to do, and her
in particular, between acting,singing, and dancing, she's
amazing.
Yeah.
She's so good.
And even just little things likewhere she gets smuggled out.
of the orphanage and when shefirst is walking down the street

(58:10):
and she knows the cop is tailingher and just like the little
looks like she's so expressiveyeah and then yeah when we were
talking about You know, she goesdown the alley.
She sees those, like, bratsbeing mean to Sandy.

SPEAKER_02 (58:24):
Takes them down.

SPEAKER_04 (58:25):
Takes them down.
She is a tough little girl.
Like, even when she was still atthe orphanage, the tough girl,
Pepper, she does not back downfrom her at all.

SPEAKER_02 (58:35):
No, she does not.

SPEAKER_04 (58:37):
Like, she is not scared of anything.
The only thing she's scared ofin the whole entire movie was
when she's at the top of thefucking bridge, which anybody
would be.
True.
So she is a...
Brave, tough little girl.
I love the portrayal of her.
And I guess that's all I got tosay about that.
So moving on to, okay, so herewe go.

(58:59):
Before I get to the other twolittle girls, I definitely want
to bring up the two gentlemenwho are part of the Warbucks
entourage, I guess you wouldsay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:11):
Warbucks staff?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (59:12):
Staff, yeah.
Yep, yep.
The first is Punjab.
So played by Jeffrey Holder.
So this is when very much kindof the 80s problematic thing
comes into play.
So Punjab...
is presumably a character who isIndian or of Indian descent.

SPEAKER_02 (59:32):
It's so messed up.
It's just like his character,the way that they have him with
just like these mystical powerswith the music, whatever he- The

SPEAKER_04 (59:42):
mystical sayings.

SPEAKER_02 (59:43):
This guy's fucking levitating shit, just like-
Yeah, I know.
It's kind of amazing thatthey're

SPEAKER_04 (59:47):
just like, what

SPEAKER_02 (59:48):
up?
With the music.
And I'm like,

SPEAKER_04 (59:50):
what?
I guess I'll say this much.
At least- They did not bring onan actor who was working in like
brownface for this role.
He also is unfortunately anactor who is no longer with us.
Holder passed in 2014.
He was like I think fromTrinidad, Trinidad and Tobago.

(01:00:13):
I think that was his– like wherehe came from.
All to say though, it does notage well that somebody who is
not of that– Ethnicity was putin that role, and it's very
stereotyped between the music,the headscarf.
It would

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:30):
be criticized greatly if something like that
came out right now and when itwas originally released.
I'm sure of all the things thatpeople complained about in the
movie, no one even batted an

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:41):
eye at that.
Correct.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:43):
And I think as much as anybody could, he gave that
role— as much dignity as anyother actor in that position
could.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:51):
Yeah.
I mean, he had a greatperformance.
Yeah.
I mean,

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:55):
for whatever it's worth, he was treated with a ton
of respect within that world.
Sure.
Yes.
Well,

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:01):
you better because he can fucking levitate things.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:03):
So Holder, some of his credits include the 1967 Dr.
Doolittle.
I have...
almost all films for him.
Everything you always wanted toknow about sex, but were afraid
to ask.
Live and Let Die.
You brought that up.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:17):
Yeah, that was like the James Bond movies are very
much like a reflection ofwhatever time they came out in.
And yeah, he's like the BaronSamedi, but it's very like, it's
exploitive, very similar to theways that we're talking about in
this.
But like 90% of the casting inthat movie is Yes.

(01:01:39):
Is that same way, so.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:41):
He was in the film Boomerang, and then the TV
series Bear in the Big BlueHouse.
Okay.
Okay, the other gentleman who,so they are also referenced as,
it's kind of funny, Warbucks'bodyguards.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:58):
So the other one is the Asp, who apparently is also
the chauffeur.
Also a helicopter pilot.
So he

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:05):
wears a lot of hats.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:07):
Very talented.
I don't know if he has a singleline in the film.
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:12):
don't think he does.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:14):
Yeah.
So played by Roger Manami.
Only two acting credits.
He is still with us.
I think he just has– like he isa dancer, performer, artist,
dancer.
Okay.
Yeah.

(01:02:48):
is thrown through the window.
And the way that Punjab doesthis, like, he does a couple
spins to get it back out of the

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:58):
house.
So unnecessary.
But yeah, like the spins andthen like chucking the bomb out.
It very much reminded me of likePink Panther kind of scene.
Yes.
Where Kato would just fuckingbust out of something and they
would fight and then it wasover.
Because Warbucks didn't evenreact to it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:15):
No, which I think that the intention behind that
is like Yeah.
Yeah.
But to say like, oh, this justhappens all the time.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:21):
Yeah.
So.
Because you could see it goingon in the back and I'm like,
wait.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:25):
And nobody seemed concerned.
Yeah.
It was very funny.
Okay.
So here we go with the last twochild actors, the first of
which, Molly.
So Molly is probably theyoungest.
She is the littlest kid, Ithink.
So little that, you know,Pepper, kind of the bully of the
group, was like, she shouldn'teven be here with us.

(01:03:46):
She's a baby.
She wets her pants.
You

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:48):
know what?
All of their kids just startedkicking the shit out of Pepper
when she said that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:51):
Yeah, it's kind of funny.
Like,

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:54):
it's a bunch of kids, so I don't know.
They might have actually beenbeating her up.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:59):
It's possible.
I mean, I don't

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:00):
know.
I think that's what happened.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:02):
I mean, Molly and the actress who plays her, Toni
Ann Gassandi, holy cow! I mean—She maybe was just a little too
young to play Annie, but I wasthinking as you're watching, I
was like, she could have beenAnnie, too, because she is so
charismatic.
Very much so.
And I'm just thinking to myself,she's so little, and she has her

(01:04:25):
own singing sequence.
Yeah.
She stars in her own singing.
It's just wild to me.
Yep.
I was commenting that likesometimes what you do,
especially like nowadays, is you– maybe you film it at a
distance so you're not gettingany close-ups or you get
close-ups of like a child andyou cut away to maybe adults who

(01:04:48):
can pass for children in certainscenes, especially ones that are
like really physically demandingor there's an element of danger
to it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:56):
That's not what they did here.
I don't

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:57):
think that's what they did here.
Nope.
Like it's wild, especially likethe opening numbers where
they're at the orphanage andthey're doing these– Really
complicated choreographednumbers.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:09):
With like acrobatics and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:12):
Yes.
It's wild.
And I'm just so impressed.
So impressed and then also sosurprised.
And again, this could just bereally intentional that these
two actors just decided to dokind of different things with
their lives.
Molly only, or I'm sorry,Tony-Anne only has four acting

(01:05:33):
credits.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:33):
You know she has a daughter though.
You know what her daughter'sname is?

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:36):
Molly.
Yep.
Yeah.
I thought that was a reallysweet thing.
Yeah.
So she named her, she has liketwo kids.
The first is named Molly.
And so when she was a child, shealso did a TV movie called The
Children's Story.
Then we jump all the way aheadto 2019 where she's in a TV
movie called, and I think thepunctuation's wrong, Wings of

(01:05:58):
the Wasp.
It's like wing, apostrophe S.
I don't think that makes sense,

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:02):
but.
Something about those wasps'wings.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:06):
Wings of the wasps?

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:06):
I don't

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:08):
know.
I don't know.
And then also a 2023 film calledCalled to Duty, not Call of
Duty.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:13):
No, different.
Called to, not Call of.
Correct.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:16):
Yeah.
So that is Tony and Gassandi.
And then we mentioned thecharacter a couple times,
Pepper.
Yeah.
So she, and also like she waspart of the Broadway show of
Annie.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay.
But by the time they got aroundto saying, okay, we're gonna
make a movie out of this, shehad kind of aged out a tiny bit

(01:06:36):
to be Annie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:37):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:38):
So, and she was pretty tall.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:40):
No wonder she was so mean to Annie.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:41):
Yeah.
You could tell that she's likean older kid.
Yes.
Played by Roseanne Sorrentino.
And she, so there's like acouple of things.
on the horizon, but as far aslike completed projects, she
only has five acting credits.
So here's what's absolutelywild.
She goes from Annie and then haslike a three decade break.

(01:07:05):
And then in 2019, she also is inWings of the

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:08):
Wasp.
We got to figure out this titlethen.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:10):
Yeah.
So she reteams with Tony andGassandi and She's in a TV
series, miniseries, Pandemic TV.
So that is obviously 2020.
Tells you all about that.
A film of 2022 called TheRogerios.
And then she also is in Call toDuty.
So

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:30):
I don't know

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:31):
if they remained friends.
So I don't know.
Maybe they stayed friends.
I have no idea why.
That seems like more than acoincidence that they both would
have taken such an extendedbreak from acting and then come
back to be in the same projects.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:43):
Possibly connections were made on Annie and a call
was made for...
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:50):
So it's...
Yeah, quite interesting.
But all to say...
So impressed by the kids in thisfilm.
And also just wanted to say, soI point out these two characters
because they actually have likelines in the film, but a couple
other names.
So I don't think they ever hadany lines.

(01:08:10):
They were like referred to aslike dancers, but a couple
notable people.
First, Shawnee Smith.
Okay.
So I think the only film we'vecovered of her so far is The
Blob.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:21):
Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:22):
So that was with Gary.
Go check that one out.
But she is a little kid dancerin this film, as well as Amanda
Peterson.
So we have not done this filmyet, but we are certainly going
to do it at some point.
Can't buy me love.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:35):
And she also– and she– so she doesn't have, like,
a line in terms of speaking.
She does have a moment in thefilm where they're doing a song.
It's Sandy when Sandy comes intothe orphanage.
And she– there's a couple lineswhere she's pretty prominent in
terms of, like, seeing– beltingout a line.
And I think she also was up forAnnie.

(01:08:57):
It got really close.
Like, I mean, they auditioned somany kids and probably the kids
who just–

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:04):
I mean, the auditions spanned two years, 22
cities, 8,000 interviews, and 70actresses.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:14):
Yeah.
Film synopsis.
What do you got?
A spunky young orphan is takenin by a rich eccentric, much to
the chagrin of the cantankerouswoman who runs the orphanage.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:26):
I don't know how eccentric he was, but maybe.
But otherwise, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:31):
I think like...
Maybe domineering, intimidating

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:37):
more

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:38):
so.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:38):
It sounds better than a spunky young orphan is
taken in by a rich dude.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:42):
I love all the colorful...
I love spunky, cantankerous,chagrin.
Whoever

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:48):
wrote this?
Well done.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:49):
Yeah, it's kind of a fun little

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:51):
synopsis.
I would have also accepted amovie based on the musical,
based on the comic stripfeaturing Annie.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:59):
Yeah, I mean...
It's come up a couple times nowas far as when we first saw this
movie, what our thoughts are onit as a whole.
I'll say this much.
I enjoyed this.
I wanted to cover this movie.
It's kind of wild because it'slike when we were still around
the holidays and...

(01:10:21):
Mm-hmm.
I personally, maybe it's becauseof what this last week has

(01:10:44):
brought for us, but I reallyenjoyed watching this movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:47):
It was entertaining.
I enjoyed it.
I mean, am I going to go out ofmy way to find it and seek it
out?
Probably not.
But I enjoyed it for what itwas.
I

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:57):
feel like I never see it on TV.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:59):
Yeah.
No, I don't think...
I don't think I have either.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I feel like I've never just like been
flipping through channels andhave seen it, which is a shame.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:08):
But there are like multiple versions of it now.
Correct.
So it's possible that...

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:12):
Probably the Jamie Foxx one is the one, which I've
seen that.
And that is a fun one too.
I really do like that version ofit.
But this one probably holds justnostalgia for me.
Like I was saying, even though Ihadn't seen it in forever as we
were watching it, some corememories were coming to the
surface.
It's like, oh yeah, I rememberthat.
So...
It's just a really fun film.

(01:11:35):
I don't really understand allthe people who had a problem
with it when it first came out.
I think the performances allaround are tremendous.
Yeah, they are.
Maybe there's a little bit ofunevenness in terms of
storytelling and pacing, but Idon't think you could fault any
of the performances.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:53):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:55):
Who'd you say?

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:58):
No, no, I was just, I'm thinking, and I can't really
think of like a single weakperformance in the entire movie.
No.
Even including the kids.
Yes, especially the kids.
But yeah, like, so obviously youhave like Annie and Molly and
Pepper, but there's not like asingle supporting cast kid who
you're like, why is this kideven here?

(01:12:19):
Like they're all really good.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:21):
Yeah, and I mean, at this point, we've covered a
handful of musicals We've doneFame.
We've done A Chorus Line.
There's probably a couple othersI might be forgetting.
But this, I think, is the firsttime we've done a musical that
features children.
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:38):
think so, yeah.
Like, Fame and Chorus Line are,like...
Like, they're all more, like,adult-oriented movies.
Yeah, there's a

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:46):
couple teens, I think, legit teens in Fame.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:50):
But even though they're much older.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:52):
Which is a whole other problem based on that

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:54):
movie.
Yeah.

UNKNOWN (01:12:55):
So...

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:56):
That's why I'm just so impressed.
Like the first hour of thisfilm, I was like, holy shit,
these kids are incredible.
I mean, the first 20 minutes.
Yeah.
I mean, it made me think, andthis is for better or for worse,
it made me think of kind ofclassic cinema and the studio
system.
And now there were many thingswrong with the studio system.

(01:13:17):
And Julie Garland is a primeexample of that.
Yeah.
But when you look at the rigorwith which Like, those people
were able to perform and justhow impressive it was.
That's what it brought me backto.
Yeah.
Was that kind of level ofperformance.
So, in any case, call it action.
Hmm.

(01:13:40):
I think I want to kind of stayon that line and just– I think I
kind of know what people wouldsay, but I'm curious what kind
of comparable musical– Peoplewould recommend, like if you
were a fan of Annie, what youwould say watch next.
I think a lot of people wouldmaybe say Newsies.
Interesting.
Okay.
Which is a 90s film, so we'renever going to cover that.
But

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:00):
we can watch it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:01):
But like just other musicals where there's like a
lot of kids that turn out justthese incredible performances.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:10):
I was going to ask Lucille Ball versus Carol
Burnett.
Who do you got?

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:14):
That's a great call to action movie.
I mean, I...

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:17):
I got Burnett.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:18):
I don't want to pit them against each other.
Well, I think I have to

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:21):
go with...
I just did, and I'm going to,and I'm picking Burnett.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:23):
I think you got to go with Lucille Ball.
She was such a trailblazer.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:27):
We don't see eye to eye on this.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:32):
I mean, I don't know if this marriage is going to
last, if that's the case.
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SPEAKER_02 (01:14:53):
What do we got?

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:53):
Now, not deliberately so.
It just hasn't really come up,but I haven't really been
informing you ahead of timeabout any of the films we're
doing so far this season.
Not at all.
Sorry.
So you are totally in the dark.
It's more

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:10):
fun this way.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:12):
Yeah.
I'm under no pressure to guessthe film that I have no idea is
coming.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:18):
I'm trying to think of a clue.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:23):
See, now all the pressure is on you to think of a
clue.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:25):
Yeah.
No, it is a lot of pressure.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:26):
I know.
I

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:31):
can't do the accent, even though I'm from the
Midwest, so it's not too faraway.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:35):
There's an accent involved.
Okay.
Yes.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:39):
There is an accent involved.
And also, there is a Shakespeareconnection.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:44):
Jesus.
What?
An accent and Shakespeareconnection.
I got nothing.
I'm

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:54):
trying to think of another clue that would...
Beer?
Beer, Shakespeare, accent.

UNKNOWN (01:16:04):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:04):
Wait, we're not doing strange brew, are we?
Yes, we

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:07):
are.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:11):
The beer was the giveaway.
I

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:12):
figured,

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:13):
I figured.
An accent, Canadian accent,really, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's amazing.
And then the Shakespearean thingis...
It's

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:22):
based off Hamlet.
It is based off Hamlet.
I'm not even joking about that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:28):
That's amazing.
I had no idea.
I honestly never knew that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:32):
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