Baby Boom

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SPEAKER_00 (00:09):
I uh are you telling me that I inherited a baby from
a cousin I haven't seen since1954?
No, I know, no way.
Uh-uh.
This is impossible.
I'm sorry, I assumed youunderstood the nature of the
movie.
Well, you see, that's the funnything.
I can't have a baby because Ihave a 1230 lunch meeting.

SPEAKER_03 (00:25):
Hello, and welcome to 80s movie montage.
This is Derek.

SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
And this is Anna.

SPEAKER_03 (00:29):
And that was Diane Keaton getting a baby in spite
of her 1230 lunch meeting in1987's Baby Boom.

SPEAKER_02 (00:38):
Baby Boom.

SPEAKER_03 (00:39):
Baby Boom.

SPEAKER_02 (00:41):
This was an interesting film to watch.
I had not seen it in a while.
Uh, but like I said at the tailend of the last episode, I love
loved and love Diane Keaton andreally wanted to cover her
because I don't actually thinkwe have.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
I don't think we have.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05):
Yeah.
So there are a couple films fromthe 80s that we could cover, but
I, you know, I don't know.
This one held a nostalgia for methat I I'm not sure where I fall
on the side of it after havingwatched it again.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19):
I had never seen it.
I think like sometimes we talkabout movies from this era, and
um it's like, well, these jokeswould probably have hit
differently in the 80s, but alot of times we're saying that
because like this just wouldn'tfly now nowadays.
And I don't think that was thecase here.
It's just that the situationsthat were being like created, I

(01:44):
don't know if they exist in thesame way now.
Right.
But I think they did then.

SPEAKER_02 (01:49):
Yeah, I think you're right.
And this is um, you know, when Iwas like doing notes for this
episode, and actually we'vecovered uh a couple of these
films.
This was like part of a group offilms from the 80s about kind of
like changing work dynamics.

SPEAKER_04 (02:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (02:04):
We was it just earlier this year that we did
Working Girl?
It feels like this year starteda million years ago.

SPEAKER_03 (02:10):
It might, it might be.

SPEAKER_02 (02:16):
When do we do these movies?
When did we do these movies?
Um, and then a couple seasonsago, or was it last season?
Mr.
Mom.
So these are all part of thesefilms from this decade, which I
was trying to think, because youbrought it up when we were
watching it, and I was trying tothink of current films that
cover these types of workplacescenarios, but I don't know if

(02:38):
there are any.

SPEAKER_03 (02:39):
No, I mean, there's still there, of course, there
are still movies that are kindof like highlighting different
social dynamics.

SPEAKER_02 (02:49):
Sure.

SPEAKER_03 (02:49):
And this was this was like a common theme for like
a set of movies back then.

SPEAKER_02 (02:54):
Yeah, I mean, that movie real honestly, the last
movie I can remember that coverslike workplace dynamics is
office space, and that's likewhat fucking 99?
Like, I don't remember anythingfrom the last 25 years that has
stuck in the same way that thesefilms have stuck around.

SPEAKER_03 (03:12):
What about disclosure?

SPEAKER_02 (03:14):
That was even earlier.

SPEAKER_03 (03:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (03:16):
That was like early 90s.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do they do workplace moviesanymore?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (03:21):
I don't know.
Do they?
And we just don't watch them.
That could very well be it.
That could very well be it.
Because we watch 80s moviesinstead.

SPEAKER_03 (03:28):
Is there is there like a Marvel movie about
honestly kind of low key?

SPEAKER_02 (03:34):
Okay, sure.
You watch, yeah, you watch that.
Okay, well, let's dive in.
So you mentioned 1987, and asfar as writers go, so this is
interesting.
I think we've gotten this acouple of times, but we have a
wife and husband writing team atthe time.

SPEAKER_03 (03:52):
Okay.
Oh, well that's that makes mehappy and sad.

SPEAKER_02 (03:55):
Yeah.
Um, so one name, well, I I thinkboth names are very familiar.
One name, I'm gonna start withNancy Myers.
So she also has gone on to be adirector, and she collaborated
quite a bit with Diane Keatonover the course of her career.
They reteamed a couple times,and yeah, they had just a really

(04:20):
interesting dynamic.
I mean, look, I think what I saythis is the first.
I would say in like the secondhalf of her career, Diane Keaton
did a really good job of playingkind of these like yuppie upper
middle class type characters.
And a lot of those films weremade with Myers, so that was

(04:42):
like kind of their niche, Iguess you would say.
But let's uh for the purposes oftoday's podcast, like I said,
Myers, she has a directingcareer as well, but we're gonna
cover strictly speaking herwriting credits.
Okay, so as far as like earlycareer goes, out the gate, she
got a best original screenplayOscar nomination with her
writing partner for PrivateBenjamin.

(05:03):
And a lot of these movies willbe repeated because she had a
writing partnership for a while,but she also worked on a
reconcil I can never say thisword right.

SPEAKER_03 (05:13):
Irreconcilable differences.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 (05:15):
Yes.
Uh so she did that.

SPEAKER_03 (05:18):
These differences will not be reconciled.

SPEAKER_02 (05:20):
Protocol, which I believe was also with uh Goldie
Hahn, jump in jackflash.
So off this film came the TVseries Baby Boom.
So she has a writing credit forthat.
And then here's probably thefirst time since Baby Boom that
she teams up again with DianeKeaton is for Father of the
Bride, the remake, the 1991.

SPEAKER_03 (05:40):
The Steve Martin one, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (05:42):
Correct.
Yeah.
So she has a writing credit forthat as well as part two.
And I guess over the pandemic, Ithink there was like some kind
of short that they're callingpart three-ish.
Father of the Bride partthree-ish.
Okay.
So she did that.
I Love Trouble, another remake,the 1998 Parent Trap with uh

(06:03):
what's her name?

SPEAKER_04 (06:04):
Lindsay Loving.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (06:06):
Something's gotta give.
The holiday, it's complicated.
So a couple more Diane Keatonfilms, and The Intern, which are
some of and and there's there'svery much like a, if you look at
all those credits, kind of alight comedy genre thing we got
going on with Myers.
Yeah.
Now her writing partner, whoalso directed this film, Charles

(06:30):
Shire, so he passed away fairlyrecently.
We're coming upon the one-yearanniversary of his passing,
passed last December.
And again, some commonalitiesbetween their credits because
they work together.
So as far as his writing creditsgo, this is strictly writing.
He worked on the TV seriesGetting Together.

(06:50):
He did Smokey and the Bandit.
He shares in that best originalscreenplay Oscar nomination for
Private Benjamin again.

SPEAKER_03 (06:58):
Yeah, a lot of these are the same.

SPEAKER_02 (07:00):
Can you say it again?

SPEAKER_03 (07:02):

SPEAKER_02 (07:03):
What's wrong with me?

SPEAKER_03 (07:04):
I wasn't laughing at that.
I was just laughing at all ofthem basically being the same.
Yeah.
Except for one of the mostwildly inappropriate movies to
ever watch now.
Elf.
Let's talk about that.
No, Smokey and the Bandit.

SPEAKER_02 (07:16):
Oh, okay.
Um, but yeah, so Protocol, Jumpand Jack Flash, the TV series,
Baby Boom.
Uh Father of the Bride 91 andpart two, but he was not part
of, I guess, the whole partthree-ish short.

SPEAKER_04 (07:32):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (07:32):
I Love Trouble, The Parent Trap, uh, the 2004, a lot
of remakes here.
Because we have Father of theBride as a remake, The Parent
Trap is a remake, Alfie is aremake, the 2004 Alfie.
Okay.
And then his final credit was afilm called Best Christmas Ever.

SPEAKER_03 (07:52):
With punctuation that supports that.
Thank you.
That reading.
That reading of the title.
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 (07:57):
So as far as directing credits go, it seems
like pretty much he directed thefilms he wrote on.
So Shire did direct, I'm gonnasay it.

SPEAKER_03 (08:09):
Do it.

SPEAKER_02 (08:11):
Well done.
I did okay.
That was great.
It wasn't perfect.

SPEAKER_03 (08:17):
No, it was.

SPEAKER_02 (08:17):
That was a hard, hard thing.

SPEAKER_03 (08:20):
It was a very measured delivery.
Thank you.
But yeah.
No notes.

SPEAKER_02 (08:25):
He did direct the 91 Father of the Bride as well as
part two.
He did direct I Love Trouble andElfie.
And then his final directingcredit was a film, another
Christmas movie, it sounds likethe Noelle diary.
Alright.
So, okay.
Cinematography.
Uh this is a person that we havebrought up.

(08:47):
Why are you saying that?

SPEAKER_03 (08:48):
This is a person.

SPEAKER_02 (08:49):
This is a person.
Uh actually not too long ago,because didn't we do work?
I I everything's beginning tomesh together.
Maybe it's just the holidays.
War games we did earlier justthis year, right?

SPEAKER_03 (09:00):
We definitely did that movie.

SPEAKER_02 (09:01):
Yeah.
But was it earlier this year?
Yes.
Anyway, William Fraker.
William A.
Fraker.
So he shot this film.
What a what a list of credits hehad.
He passed in 2010, so he's beenpassed for 15 years at this
point.
But man, he had he had quite thefilmography.

(09:23):
Starting with, even this is oneof my favorite films.
Rosemary's Baby.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I will say though, beautifullyshot.

SPEAKER_03 (09:32):
Yeah, you straight up do not like that movie,
though.

SPEAKER_02 (09:34):
No, I'm sorry.
Like, I love her, but what's herface?
She's just so annoying in thatfilm, with like how Oh no, my
baby's Satan.

SPEAKER_03 (09:44):
Oh no.
Is that the movie I've beenseen?

SPEAKER_02 (09:47):
Exactly how Oh, you've never seen Rose Works.

SPEAKER_03 (09:49):
I've seen parts of it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:51):
She's just like, look, I get it.
It is part of the character.
That's why they prey on her.
Yeah.
But she's just so submissive tofucking everybody around her.
Like, grow a fucking spine.
That's how you end up having theuh spawn of Satan.
Exactly.
He shot Bullet, which probablywas a hard movie to shoot.

(10:11):
Exorcist 2, the heretic.

SPEAKER_03 (10:13):
What a piece of trash that movie is.

SPEAKER_02 (10:16):
Yeah, you're gonna do that.
That's okay.
That's alright.
He got his first.
Did he ever win?
I think he only got nominations.
He got his first cinematographynomination for Looking for Mr.
Good Bar, which starred DianeKeaton.

SPEAKER_03 (10:29):
Not 1941?

SPEAKER_02 (10:32):
No, that does come later, though.
So he gets anothercinematography nom for Having
Can Wait.
Then comes 1941.
Also, this is kind of wild forthis film.
Not only did he get a bestcinematography Oscar nomination
for 1941, he also got a besteffects visual effects Oscar nom
for that film.

(10:53):
Wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
He shot the best littlewhorehouse in Texas.
When we brought him up for WarGames, I have no doubt that we
brought up that he did get acinematography Oscar nomination
for that film.
So he is also part of the crewthat did Irreconcilable
Differences.

SPEAKER_03 (11:10):
Yeah.
Better.
Better.
Even better in the last one,already really good.

SPEAKER_02 (11:14):
Thank you.
He get got his last Oscarnomination, again, Best
Cinematography for Murphy'sRomance.
I mean, in some of these films,we can we can do.
He also shot Space Camp, TheFreshman.
Now we're moving into the 90s.
Honeymoon in Vegas, Tombstone.
Nice.
Yeah.
The Island of Dr.
Moreau.

SPEAKER_03 (11:34):
Oh, which one?
Oh, yeah, that one.
The one with Val Kilmer.
Correct.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Brando.

SPEAKER_02 (11:39):
Yep.
Vegas Vacation, Town andCountry.
And then his final credit was afilm called Walking Up.
And is it Waking Up or WalkingUp?
Did I write that wrong?

SPEAKER_03 (11:49):
It is Waking Up.

SPEAKER_02 (11:50):
Oh, I wrote it wrong.

SPEAKER_03 (11:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (11:51):
I'm because I was like, that's a weird title.
Waking Up in Reno.
Thank you for the correction.

SPEAKER_03 (11:57):
Vegas Vacation is like strangely one of my
favorites in the series.
There's just something about umwhat's the kid's fake ID,
Papadopoulos or something?
Like it's you know the filmbetter than yeah.
Papa Giorgio is his like fakename.
And he just keeps on winningevery it was yeah.

(12:19):
The whole like romance withWayne Newton, whatever.
But yeah, it was fun.

SPEAKER_02 (12:24):
Okay, moving on to Bill Conti.
So he has come up, although it'sI mean, it's been a minute since
we've talked about him.
He has had an amazing career.
Um yeah, he's had a greatcareer.
So starting with all right.

(12:44):
Yeah, yeah.
Uh earlier in his career, hescored the film Harry and Tonto.
So probably I think there's liketwo franchises that people
mostly know him from.
I'm gonna say the morewell-known one is the Rocky
franchise.

SPEAKER_03 (12:59):
Yeah.
I don't I don't even have toknow what the other one is to
believe that.
Oh, well, sure.
Because Rocky's pretty wellknown.

SPEAKER_02 (13:08):
And actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I
wonder if he got brought on bythe same director.
So, um, so as far as Rocky goes,he got best original song Oscar
nomination for the originalfilm, and then he scored for the
first film, two, three, notfour, which is the one Rocky
film we've covered.

SPEAKER_04 (13:28):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
But he comes back for five, and he also did Rocky
Balboa.
He scored a film, it is anacronym, Fist.

SPEAKER_03 (13:37):
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
So he did that.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (13:40):
Gloria.
So he also is part of this uhMyers and Shire team because he
scored Private Benjamin.
He got another Oscar nomination,best original song, for your
eye.
Wait, for your eyes only.

SPEAKER_03 (13:55):
For for your eyes only.

SPEAKER_02 (13:57):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
Um yeah, that's that's a really good one.
Like the That's Shina Easton,right?

SPEAKER_02 (14:03):
It's that one.

SPEAKER_03 (14:04):
It is like that that one, it's 81, the release date
for that movie, but that moviefeels very 70s.
Yeah, like the music is likeit's like disco bond.
Yeah.
Like the opening scene wherehe's like, I think that might be
the one where he parachutes,then skis down a mountain

(14:26):
through like a little mountainvillage, all to like the heavy
disco beat.

SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
Is that the Roger Moore, James Bond?
Oh, yeah.
Okay, got it.

SPEAKER_03 (14:34):
Yeah, but that one, that song was like a great Ohio.

SPEAKER_02 (14:38):
I can't sing it.

SPEAKER_03 (14:39):
No, you you were there.
You were doing it.

SPEAKER_02 (14:43):
So he did that.
He got a best original scoreOscar win for the film The Right
Stuff.
Now here is the other franchise.

SPEAKER_03 (14:52):
Which we will do at some point.

SPEAKER_02 (14:54):
The Right Stuff.
Oh yeah, I think so.
The Karate Kid.

SPEAKER_03 (14:58):
So he's just really good with like fighting.

SPEAKER_02 (15:02):
Yeah, I think so.
Uh I mean, my goodness, theKarate Kid is what, the third
film we covered, maybe?
Third, fourth, fifth, somewherethere.

SPEAKER_03 (15:11):
Very early.
Aside from like, you know,you're the best around, it does
have like a really iconic score.

SPEAKER_02 (15:18):
Yeah.
So he was the composer for thefirst film, part two, part
three, as well as the nextKarate Kid.
He also was the composer on thatvery celebrated and popular TV
miniseries North and South.

SPEAKER_03 (15:33):
Oh my god.
I until you said TV miniseries,I thought you were gonna say
Masters of the Universe, but no.

SPEAKER_02 (15:39):
Uh Book one and book two.
I think the la you know what?
I think the last time we broughthim up, I might have forgotten
to bring up Masters of theUniverse.

SPEAKER_03 (15:46):
Well, it it certainly was a movie with a
soundtrack.

SPEAKER_02 (15:50):
And we did that movie with our buddy Paul.

SPEAKER_03 (15:54):
And the soundtrack was not even close to being a
problem in that movie.

SPEAKER_02 (15:58):
No, it was just most everything else.
Go check out that.
Look, there is nothing more funthan when we've done films with
people who just love the moviesthat we're covering.

SPEAKER_03 (16:08):
You know what that movie lacked that I think the
remake might might fix was nowit's gonna have uh is it Jared
Leto?
Oh god.
Are you serious?
I am serious.
I think he's gonna be.
Skeletor?
I don't know, maybe he's gonnabe someone.
Why do they keep putting him instuff?
What's happening?

SPEAKER_02 (16:27):
Anyway, so he did that.
Uh, we also brought him upbecause he scored broadcast
news.
Oh, yeah.
So we did that one a coupleseasons ago with Jennifer.
Please check that one out.
He did Night in the Life ofJimmy Reardon, Lean on Me.
He scored the remake of theThomas Crown Affair, the 1999
version.

SPEAKER_03 (16:46):
Pierce Brosen and uh Rene Russo.

SPEAKER_02 (16:49):
That's it, yeah.
Which is actually very good.
Yeah.
They had incredible chemistry onscreen.
Yeah.
They did great.
I don't know what this possiblycould be, but he scored a film
called Two Birds with OneStallone.
Did that.
And then uh more recently, Ijust like this title.
It's called Now or Never a JaneBond Mission.

(17:12):
Interesting.
Yeah.
Okay, so film editing.
Lindsay Klingman, and I reasonwhy I said that is her name is
spelled L-Y-N-Z-E-E.
Lindsey.
Lindsay Klingman.
Yeah.
So what an editing career shehas had.
Uh, I think she's probablyretired at this point because

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her last credit was from 2011.
So it's been a minute.
But out the gate, she got a bestfilm editing Oscar nomination
for One Flew Over the Cuckoo'sNest.
Yeah, that'll do it.
Yeah.
I would like to, I don't know ifwe'll cover it, but I would like
to watch this movie at somepoint.
It's called Maxi.
It stars Glenn Close and it'slike a ghost.

(17:55):
A 1920s flapper ghost is inanother person's body.

SPEAKER_03 (18:01):
Hmm.
I recently flapper who hauntsher old house possesses a
reserved housewife who has justmoved in.
However, she cannot leave beforeshe receives her massive
audition for a Hollywood studio.
Sure, I'm in.

SPEAKER_02 (18:13):
It's kind of interesting, right?
Yeah.
So she also cut The War of theRoses, Little Man Tate.
This is a gorgeous film, butit's like so sad.
A River Runs Through It.

SPEAKER_03 (18:24):
Oh yeah, I get that confused with like through their
movies that feel very similar.

SPEAKER_02 (18:28):
What other movies?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (18:31):
Far and Away.

SPEAKER_02 (18:32):
Far and Away!

SPEAKER_03 (18:34):
Uh wait, is a river runs through it the one with uh
Brad Pitt and Anthony Hopkins?

SPEAKER_02 (18:39):
Yes.
And it's like what is that?
You're thinking of um Ah Lord.
Um Oh my god, it's with thethree brothers.
Why am I totally blanking at themoment?

SPEAKER_03 (18:52):
There's like three brothers and one woman in the
entire state.
Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (18:56):
And so they all like No, A River Runs Through It is
it's him and his brother, who isI believe played by Craig
Schiffer.

SPEAKER_03 (19:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (19:06):
And sounds pretty similar.
It was directed by RobertRedford.

SPEAKER_03 (19:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (19:11):
And um, no, you need I'm trying to buy you time so
you can actually look up theother movie.
And uh basically it it's agorgeous film.
A River Runs Through It is likethe one thing that was shared by
the family was fly fishing.
They all loved fly fishing.

SPEAKER_03 (19:26):
I do remember that part.
But oh, I'm thinking of Legendsof the Fall.

SPEAKER_02 (19:30):
Thank you.
Um very similar look.
I would I would say that you'recorrect on that point.

SPEAKER_04 (19:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (19:35):
But and it's kind of a little bit of a similar
character for Brad Pitt, wherehe's just this like cannot be
tamed type character.
Although he's just a little bitmore of a fuck up and a river
runs through it.
So, but it's a gorgeous,gorgeous film.

SPEAKER_05 (19:53):
All right.

SPEAKER_02 (19:54):
Okay.
So uh Clayman, she also cutHoffa, Outbreak, Home for the
Holidays.
Is Matilda, City of Angels,Living Out Loud, which I think
Home for the Holidays and LivingOut Loud both were um what's it,
Holly Hunter.

SPEAKER_03 (20:09):
I just need to back up real quick and say that I
will never forgive City ofAngels for that one goo-goo doll
song.

SPEAKER_02 (20:17):
Um Man on the Moon, Ali, The Lake House, The Beaver.
And then, like I mentioned, herlast credit, as of yet, um,
2011's it's a TV movie calledFive.
Okay.
We are at the stars of thisfilm.
Of course, starting with DianeKeaton.
Yeah.

(20:38):
At the time of this recording,she has passed about a month and
a half ago.
She passed away on October 11th,2025.
And I brought it up a little bitat the tail end of the last
episode.
She was in her late 70s, but Ithink it just was like really
surprising to everybody.
Like again, she was just such avibrant woman.

(20:59):
Yeah.
And it just, yeah, was just kindof a sad, surprising passing of
um somebody who I think was muchbeloved by a lot of people.
And she just you know, thatsaying, walking to the beat of a
different drummer.
That was kind of her.
She kind of just did life on herown terms.

SPEAKER_04 (21:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (21:20):
And and just was unapologetically herself.
Um so she was she was prettyawesome.
She in this film plays JC Wyatt.
You asked this question, I don'tthink.
I don't think we ever know whatJC stands for.

SPEAKER_03 (21:35):
Doesn't, yeah.
So it doesn't ever get uhanswered.
We never find out is just hername.

SPEAKER_02 (21:40):
Yeah, just her name.
And I mean, I maybe okay, somaybe I'll go through her
filmography first and you knowwe can talk a little bit about
this character.
She had an amazing career.
Um she was a multi-nominated andOscar-winning actress.
So very early in her career, andI think she oh, she almost

(22:03):
exclusively did film, she was inthe movie Lovers and Other
Strangers.
She first probably comes to fameas Kay in the Godfather trilogy.
Yep.
So she, even though TheGodfather is not an 80s film, I
feel like we bring it up a fairamount of time.
And I think I've maybe at somepoint, somewhere, for some

(22:25):
reason, said on the podcast, itis bizarre to me that she agrees
to marry Michael.

SPEAKER_03 (22:32):
Like it is, it is straight.

SPEAKER_02 (22:34):
Totally bizarre.

SPEAKER_03 (22:34):
It doesn't make any sense for either of them.

SPEAKER_02 (22:37):
No, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:38):
No, like Michael knew that like she wasn't gonna
be that kind of wife.

SPEAKER_02 (22:43):
Like she was always gonna want to know what the fuck
was going on.
She wasn't gonna be submissive.
Yeah.
And as far as she was concerned,why the fuck would you go back
to this guy that completelyghosted you?
And even if you didn't know healready got married and his
first wife blew up.

SPEAKER_03 (23:00):
He didn't just ghost you, he ghosted you because he
very publicly killed that likefor for all that she would have
seen is like that.
This uh police, this I don'tknow if he was officer or
detective, whatever, was killed,and then he's like gone, like
fleeing the law in Sicily.
Right.

(23:20):
And like, come on, come on, makeit make sense for me.

SPEAKER_02 (23:24):
Yeah, same.
It didn't it made no sense to meat all.
I don't really like I never readthe book.

SPEAKER_03 (23:30):
I was I was just gonna say, like, do I have to
read the book?

SPEAKER_02 (23:33):
To understand why it happened.
Because I like look, obviouslyit's an amazing film, but that
one part of it always justbumped me.
I just never could get over thefact that like it didn't like
you said, it didn't make sensefor either one of them to get
married.

SPEAKER_03 (23:50):
By the time Michael came back, he I am assuming even
then would have had the power tobasically just like kind of do
whatever he's gonna do.

SPEAKER_02 (23:59):
Go find yourself a submissive Sicilian wife who
just happens to live in the US.

SPEAKER_03 (24:04):
Well, he almost got there, but then he found most of
that, but then they were blownup.

SPEAKER_02 (24:09):
Correct.

SPEAKER_03 (24:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (24:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (24:11):
Shame.

SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
So anyway, she is really good in that, although
it's just like it's so annoyingto me that she went back to him.

SPEAKER_03 (24:19):
She is really good in it, because you you like
you're like, why are you doinglike you're believing her
anyway?

SPEAKER_02 (24:25):
Yeah, no, no, no, she's a good actress.
Um, and that closing door shuts.
The closing scene whereliterally the door is shut on
her.
She is shut out.
That is, it is like Chef's kiss,best last shot of any film, even
if there was never a part two.
So, uh, and man, that thatargument between them in part

(24:47):
two where he finds out thatshe's had an abortion.

SPEAKER_04 (24:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (24:51):
And she's just like, I'm not gonna have your
abomination.
I'm not gonna bring anotherchild of yours into this world.

SPEAKER_03 (24:57):
Whew.
She's not like she thatcharacter passes away in between
two and three, right?

SPEAKER_02 (25:03):
No, I thought she was she is she in three?

SPEAKER_03 (25:05):
I haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_02 (25:06):
Yeah, she's in three.

unknown (25:07):
Really?

SPEAKER_03 (25:08):
Oh, she is?
Yeah, she is.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (25:10):
Isn't it Michael who passes away?
Because I refuse to watch thatmovie.

SPEAKER_03 (25:14):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (25:15):
Michael doesn't pass away.
Yes, he does.

SPEAKER_03 (25:17):
Michael passes away at the end, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 (25:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (25:19):
Yeah.
That's why there's no four.

SPEAKER_02 (25:22):
Okay.
Okay.
Moving on.
She also, so over the course ofher career, uh we we are just
like not gonna go down thisrabbit hole today, but she had a
frequent collaborativerelationship with Woody Allen.

SPEAKER_03 (25:38):
No, yeah.
So I don't know what and I meanlook, I'm they are beloved
movies, and I can't it's hard tothink of someone where you have
to like really separate theindividual from what they made.
Yeah.
Cause we all would have a lot tosay about about that guy.

SPEAKER_02 (25:59):
I mean, in part that's why we have yet to do a
Woody Allen film.

SPEAKER_03 (26:02):
Yeah, and I don't I don't have any interest in in
doing so.

SPEAKER_02 (26:06):
No, maybe at some point, but she was in Sleeper.

SPEAKER_03 (26:08):
Take that Woody Allen.

SPEAKER_02 (26:10):
Yeah, I'm sure he's heartbroken.
Uh she got her best actressOscar win for Annie Hall, 1977.
She, like I mentioned, was inLooking for Mr.
Good Bar, Interiors, Manhattan,some more Woody Allen films.
She gets her next best actress,Oscar Nom for the film Reds,
which uh let's see here, starredWarren Beatty.

(26:33):
I think it was directed byWarren Beatty.
Uh, also has I think JackNicholson is stacked cast.
So she was in that crimes of theheart, radio days.
As mentioned, she is I hatesaying this way, but I don't
know the character's name.
She's Steve Martin's wife in theFather of the Bride movies.

SPEAKER_03 (26:55):
Nina.

SPEAKER_02 (26:56):
Nina Banks.
Oh, thank you.
Uh so she was in ManhattanMurder Mystery.
That's another Woody Allen, TheFirst Wives Club.
She gets her next Oscarnomination for Marvin's Room
with uh Leonardo DiCaprio,Gratch.

SPEAKER_03 (27:10):
I think so, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (27:13):
So not everything's a banger.
She was in this movie called TheOther Sister, which have you
seen this has come up before onthis podcast.
Have you seen this movie?

SPEAKER_03 (27:24):
The other sister, no.

SPEAKER_02 (27:27):
Um with uh Juliet Lewis.

SPEAKER_03 (27:32):
How many sisters?
There's just two sisters, sothere's one sister and then the
other sister.

SPEAKER_02 (27:36):
All I remember is that so Juliet Lewis plays
someone with cognitivechallenges.

SPEAKER_03 (27:41):
Oh yeah, and I'm looking at the uh synopsis now.
Okay, I think I remember she isthe mother.

SPEAKER_02 (27:47):
And um is this a Tropic Thunder kind of
situation?
Yeah, I mean, for the time thatit came out, I think it was
probably still very normal tohave someone who who isn't
challenging.
I mean, like along that sametimeline was uh What's Eating
Gilbert Grape?
Yeah.
With Anna Caprio doing a verysimilar kind of role.

(28:11):
And also in the other sister,Giovanni Ribisi is also in that
film, also plays as someone withcognitive challenges.

SPEAKER_03 (28:19):
So very convincingly.

SPEAKER_02 (28:21):
Yeah, yeah.
So she's in the film Hanging Up,Town and Country.
She gets her next and final bestactress Oscar Nom for
something's gotta give.
I was surprised by that one, butman, the most uncomfortable
movie ever, The Family Stone.

SPEAKER_03 (28:38):
I love that movie.
I think it's I think it's uhlike I love the um the dynamic
between Craig D Craig T.
Nelson and and Diane Keith.
Like I really like a lot aboutthat movie, and I probably am
not gonna like run to go watchit again because there are so
many uncomfortable.

(28:59):
It is so uncomfortable most ofthe film.
The dinner scene.

SPEAKER_02 (29:04):
Mm-hmm.
When I know exactly what you'retalking about.

SPEAKER_03 (29:08):
When they're talking about adopting a child, yeah.
Um holy shit.
Um but yeah, I just I thought itwas a really good but
uncomfortable movie to watch.
Yeah, I think they were allreally horrible to um Sarah
Jessica Parker.
Yeah, they were all prettyterrible to her.

SPEAKER_02 (29:30):
I guess I remember sitting in the theater actually
watching them one and be like,oh my god, this movie's making
me feel so uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_03 (29:37):
You saw it in the theater.

SPEAKER_02 (29:37):
I didn't sit in the theater, that's in the theater.

SPEAKER_03 (29:39):
I'd break out in a sweat if I was watching the
theater.

SPEAKER_02 (29:41):
Yes, I was just like very tense sitting in my seat.

SPEAKER_03 (29:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:45):
Um, but it did, I think, what it was supposed to
do.

SPEAKER_03 (29:48):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (29:48):
I think it was every much every in every regard that
the intention of the filmmaker.
But yeah, they're all just likekind of awful people to each
other, but they all do it underthe guise of like, we're just so
we this family just so fiercely,we all fiercely love each other.

SPEAKER_03 (30:04):
And like it's just I think it's so funny that like
like Sarah Jessica Parker'scharacter ends up hooking up
with a different brother of thefamily, they kind of like do a
swap.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (30:18):
And everyone's super like, oh, America Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 (30:20):
And then they also do a swap with her sister.

SPEAKER_03 (30:22):
Exactly.
So it all worked out.

SPEAKER_02 (30:24):
It's really anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (30:25):
No one was left uh.

SPEAKER_02 (30:27):
And it's like a holiday movie?

SPEAKER_03 (30:29):
It is very much a holiday, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:31):
So she also, so I said almost entirely film.
I have a TV mini-series for her,The Young Pope.
She also was in Book Club, uh,and then it had a sequel in the
next chapter.
Her final credit.
So, okay, so here's the thing isthat um with her passing, I
believe there's a couple likeupcoming films listed in IMDB.

(30:54):
I don't know.
I think I want to say they bothwere in pre-production at the
time of her passing.
So I don't know what the statusis of those projects, but
possibly her final credit is afilm called Summer Camp.
Okay.
So but as far as this charactergoes, I mean, I think maybe this
is as good a place as any totalk about it because we're
about to talk about SamShepherd.

(31:14):
Um arguably her love interest.
I know we have Harold Ramis tocover as well.
It's is it arguably?
What do you mean?
Like I mean, I mean, there'slike it's there's no love
triangle.
No.
But she had her firstrelationship with Harold Ramis,
and then you know They justseemed like good roommates.

(31:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (31:36):
I They did have sex for four minutes.

SPEAKER_02 (31:38):
Well, that actually was very funny.
And the fact that you knew whatthat joke was before the joke
showed itself.

SPEAKER_03 (31:44):
It it was telegraphed.
I mean, they you as they yeah,they they start zooming in on
the clock, and I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (31:50):
I mean, man, that was like brutal when he's like,
Do you the first time he askedand he's like, Do you want to
make love?
And she's like, uh, really?

SPEAKER_03 (31:56):
Like Yeah, the whole like uh facial mask thing on.

SPEAKER_02 (32:05):
But in any case, I mean, you you said something off
mic earlier today where you youknow the whole gist of the film
is the whole like idea of likecan you have it all?
And you said, I don't want tospeak on your behalf, so do you
want to say what you told me?

SPEAKER_03 (32:20):
Yeah, like it because there are moments where
I think her boss said, like, youcan't you can't have it all.
And the moral of the story isthat you can't have it all as
long as you change what whatthat is, like what you want.

SPEAKER_02 (32:33):
And I think was in part the reason why I brought
that up right now is becauseit's interesting to make that
point.
I'm not disagreeing with you,but I think when she was with
Harold Ramis, here's the here'sthe whole thing that I get from
the film is like I don't I don'tthink she was like unhappy in
the first part of her life.

SPEAKER_04 (32:51):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (32:52):
Um I you know, I and I don't I don't know how to like
judge the film based on that,because it's like obviously
there's a massive shift of whathappens to this character, but I
don't think she was like thismiserable person in the first
half of the film.

SPEAKER_03 (33:09):
I she she did not seem that way at all.

SPEAKER_02 (33:12):
Yeah, so as far as like you saying that her and
Harold Ramis were more likeroommates, I think for that part
of her life, it worked for her.

SPEAKER_03 (33:20):
Yeah, their relationship totally worked for
both of them.
They were happy together.
They were happy because theyboth had like these similar like
motivation, like they both loveddoing their work, their job.
Yeah, and and that worked.
And you know, when she inheriteda baby, which I'm I'm sure
happens all the time, he there'slike a point where he comes back

(33:42):
from like a conference and he'slike, Yeah, I can't, I can't, I
can't.

SPEAKER_02 (33:46):
It was probably one of the more mature ways of
handling.
I I mean, I see it on Reddit allthe time.

SPEAKER_03 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah.
Um and she was like, Okay.
And he's like, All right, goodluck.

SPEAKER_02 (34:00):
Yeah, I mean, I actually appreciated that there
wasn't like they I mean, look,they make him look a certain
kind of way.

SPEAKER_04 (34:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (34:08):
He's not a villain at all, but they do make him
look a certain kind of way,where he doesn't have any
patience with the baby really.
Um, you know, it's I get it,it's a film, it's heightened
reality, but they are socomically inept.
Like the whole scene where she'slike just trying to get a diaper
on her, I was like, come on.

SPEAKER_03 (34:28):
She ripped up like 20 diapers.

SPEAKER_02 (34:30):
Yeah, like give me a break.
And also diapers are not thatsticky.
Like, it's not fucking gorillaglu glue that's like on a
diaper.
So it's um, you know, whatever.
It's it's fine.
I think more than anything, whatI was frustrated by in the first
half of the film was just the Idon't know if I could say

(34:53):
manufactured because like Idon't know what the like
temperature was in workplaceslike that in the 80s for women.

SPEAKER_05 (35:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (35:04):
In terms of her boss saying, like, I know you already
work 70 to 80 hours a week.
It's we're gonna double that.
Yeah.
You know, like you're youliterally, he's saying there's
going to be nothing else in yourlife except for work.

SPEAKER_03 (35:18):
You're gonna work seven days a week, you're gonna
love it, and this is like I meanher boss said, like, I don't
even know how many grandkids Ihave.
Yeah, and I just am like that isa weird flex, man.

SPEAKER_02 (35:32):
Yeah, like I I don't know.
I guess that does bother mebecause it's like to even with
heightened reality and thisbeing a movie and there has to
be stakes manufactured.
It it just felt like really likeis that really being said to
people?
Like, is that really the waythat it has to be?

(35:53):
I understand there there aresome professions, like for
instance, when um, you know,somebody who is on their way to
becoming a doctor is inresidency.
That's an incredibly stressful,high intense time in their life
where yes, everything abouttheir life is that job, but
that's also like a a temporarysituation.

(36:14):
I'm not saying that like doctorshave it easy after that, but
like it is it is a very intensepart of their life.
But actually, even thatprofession, you know, the whole
like being awake for likefucking 36, 48 hours, it's like
why?
Why are we doing this to thesepeople?
Like they're supposed to be likedoing surgeries and taking care
of people, and you're makingthem do this on like no sleep
for multiple days at a time.

(36:34):
It's just like a weird flex,like you said.

SPEAKER_03 (36:36):
Well, you talking about this makes me kind of
think, well, like uh JC was okaywith it.
Yeah.
She was she was talking abouthow much he loved work and how
how she really like loved herlife at that point.
But maybe they had him saysomething like that to her,
like, that's gonna be donebecause we're all supposed to
think, like, no, you're makingthe wrong you might like it, but

(36:59):
we're yeah, we're here to tellyou that this is wrong and you
shouldn't like it.
So thank goodness you inheritedthis baby so you could find out
what living life is reallyabout.

SPEAKER_02 (37:08):
Nope, and that's actually a really good point.
I was listening to this podcastwhere um What?
I know I listen to podcasts allthe time, in addition to
recording them.
And it was a podcast that wastalking about like uh life value
systems, and there's nojudgment, there's no good or bad
about a value system, accordingto this person, it's just that
there's certain set life values.

SPEAKER_04 (37:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (37:29):
And she made a point of saying that some people refer
to a certain like I don'tremember the specific like
phrase she used for this lifevalue, but a lot of people will
in a derogatory way say, like,oh, you're a workaholic.

SPEAKER_04 (37:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (37:41):
And she was like, I hate that term because if I love
what I do for a living, thatshouldn't be judged.
And and like, look, I guess iflike you you're not married and
you don't have children, if likeother people are not are not
suffering at the expense of likeyour your work, then you're free
to work all the time, I guess,if you want.

SPEAKER_03 (38:02):
As is often the case with a lot of these things, it's
fine if that's what you want.
Yeah.
When you impose it on otherpeople, then you better find
someone that also wants thatsame thing, or like, you know,
now you have a bit of conflict,perhaps.

SPEAKER_02 (38:16):
And I guess a little bit that's what her boss was
saying, is that like he doeswhat he does, and then his wife
literally does everything else.

SPEAKER_03 (38:23):
He doesn't even know what she does, he just knows
that it's everything.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (38:27):
Yeah.
So I guess in a weird way, heacknowledges that, like, if I'm
presenting to you what your lifeis going to be if I give you
this partnership, I'm justpreparing you for what it is so
that you can arrange the rest ofthe dynamic of your life to
accommodate it.

SPEAKER_03 (38:47):
That's not even really what happened with her.
She inherited this kid and like,oh, fuck me, I guess, because I
don't want to like adopt thiskid out to these horrible
people.
Okay, so now, yeah, so let's getto the So like what they were
concerned about isn't reallywhat happened.
Over a very like relativelyshort period of time, they were
just really unreasonable withher having to go through this

(39:10):
significant life change.

SPEAKER_02 (39:12):
And that and that's something that we also brought
up as far as like like it didsound because I think we maybe
spoke too soon about some thingswhere we're like, why doesn't
she just tell them that she justlike Yeah, and then we we it was
clear that she did.
Yeah, she did, and they had nopatience whatsoever.
That was also something thatkind of bumped me because I was
like, okay, come on, can we justbe a little human about this?
Like, with them notunderstanding that for a few.

(39:34):
I mean, granted, when she makesthe decision that she's gonna
keep Elizabeth, yeah, that doeschange things.
Yeah.
Uh, because she because her bossis like, how much longer are you
gonna have this kid?
And she's like, forever.
And but then everything goesvery quickly goes south.

SPEAKER_03 (39:51):
Like they start Fucking James Spader, that
fucking snake.

SPEAKER_02 (39:54):
That little snake, that little, what does she call
him?
Um

SPEAKER_03 (40:00):
She does have a specific term for a game.

SPEAKER_02 (40:01):
Yeah.
But uh they very quickly pivotto him because of, oh, well, now
she has a kid, she's not gonnabe able to like be the be the
job.

SPEAKER_03 (40:11):
She won't be there.
Yeah.
She was getting calls in themiddle of meetings, which I
think is like, that's come on,that's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02 (40:17):
Yeah.
And the whole the whole VictoriaJackson thing was such a
bizarre.
Like, look, again, for thepurposes of it being a movie, I
guess you gotta do these things.
But like where she can't findone fucking competent nanny in
all of New York City.

SPEAKER_03 (40:35):
And then uh because there are no other no other uh
parents, families, anyone in NewYork City would need for
anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 (40:44):
Yeah, so like that was kind of bizarre.
Um, but whatever.
It's it's all fine.
So okay, let's move on to SamShepherd.
I'm sure all other other partsof uh this character will come
up.

SPEAKER_03 (40:57):
Who was in the right stuff but was not Shepard.
He was uh Chuck Yeager.

SPEAKER_02 (41:01):
Yeah, but he did get um best supporting thank you for
bringing that up, he got a bestsupporting actor, yeah, Oscar
Knob for that role.
Um he has passed too.
He's he passed uh about eightyears ago, 2017, and he plays
Dr.
Jeff Cooper, not a human doctor.

SPEAKER_03 (41:18):
No, he's he is a human.

SPEAKER_02 (41:20):
He's a human, yeah, but he is a doctor of animals.
Technically, humans are animals,but doctor of veterinary
medicine.
Thank you.
Um I don't get to see him in alot.

SPEAKER_05 (41:33):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 (41:34):
So I feel like the right stuff might be the next
thing that I would see him in.
Or or maybe steal like wehaven't done Steel Magnolias.
I know we've talked about doingthat one, but he he had a really
interesting career.
He did do some acting, but moreso he was a writer.
He was like behind the scenes alot more.

SPEAKER_04 (41:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (41:52):
So I I always got the sense from him that like he
might have enjoyed acting, butlike I think maybe it was like a
little bit pay the bills typething.
He'd rather be behind the cameraor out of out of the camera.

SPEAKER_03 (42:06):
Which are good options if you have them.

SPEAKER_02 (42:08):
Yeah, no, he was an amazing writer, and yeah, he
just again was a very I thinkwhat's interesting about this
film for me, even though there'scertain facets of both
characters that I don't know, Iwould have liked to maybe seen a
little bit more nuanced.
Like, look, JC, she's like superneurotic, she's super like high

(42:29):
strung.
I don't think the character hadto be that way.
Um, they make her, and again,it's kind of for comic effect.

SPEAKER_04 (42:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (42:40):
Especially with him.
Like when they pair her up withhim, she is so like out of sorts
around him.

SPEAKER_03 (42:48):
Their first interaction was uh out there.

SPEAKER_02 (42:51):
Yeah.
So I don't know if they neededto play that up as much as they
did.
Um, but in real life, both, youknow, again, like I said, Diane
Keaton and Sam Shepard, theykind of like just live life on
their own terms, at least thesense that I got.
But as far as his acting creditsgo, uh, we have Days of Heaven,
Francis, as mentioned, he got abest supporting actor, Oscar Nom

(43:14):
for the right stuff.
He was in Crimes of the Heart,Steel Magnolias, The Pelican
Brief, Snow Falling on Cedars.
He was in the 2000 Hamlet, whichnot that was what, Ethan Hawk?
So many Hamlets.
And then now Ham.
What is what's coming out?

SPEAKER_03 (43:34):
Hamnet, which is a story about uh Shakespeare's son
who passed away as a as a kid.

SPEAKER_02 (43:40):
It's getting good reviews.

SPEAKER_03 (43:41):
Yeah.
He was also in Thunderheart,which is kind of an under
appreci I don't know if it'sunderappreciated, but it's
Kilmer, right?

SPEAKER_02 (43:49):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm sorry I didn't mention that.

SPEAKER_03 (43:52):
Great movie.

SPEAKER_02 (43:52):
Uh second half of his career, he was in All the
Pretty Horses, Swordfish, BlackHawk Down, The Notebook, The
Assassin Assassination of JesseJames by the Coward Robert Ford.

SPEAKER_03 (44:05):
It's a long title.

SPEAKER_02 (44:06):
Sure is.
Mud, August, is it Osage County?
Sure.

SPEAKER_04 (44:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:13):
And then his final credit was a film called Rolling
Thunder Review.
But I do like him in this film alot.
Like he is a much needed kind oflike quiet, grounding figure.
Yeah.
In the film.
I don't know if I quite get thesense that he'd be into her
because she's so fuckingneurotic.

SPEAKER_03 (44:32):
Well, you know, they're the only two under 60 in
the town.
Lie.

SPEAKER_02 (44:36):
We see we see a lot of people who are under 60.

SPEAKER_03 (44:39):
Are they all just visiting?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (44:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (44:41):
But he's like, um, you know, you got the the
plumber who is like a greatmusician.
Not I'm gonna say mid.
Uh but he's he's very talentedand I'm assuming a competent
plumber, but kind of out there.
So then you have Shepard as likethe vet, and he's just kind of
like normal.
But yeah, but you know, he'ssmart because he's a vet.

SPEAKER_02 (45:04):
He's smart, he's very just quiet and kind of like
calm and again, kind of acharacter that I think we kind
of need to have in the film.

SPEAKER_03 (45:13):
Knows how to fix a flat tire, but and and was also
you know savvy enough to nottell her you don't need to jack
the car up five feet.
He could have told her that.
I thought that made it moredangerous, but whatever.
Yeah.
He got the tire fixed.

SPEAKER_02 (45:27):
Um yeah.
I do like I do like him in thisrole though.
Um, I was gonna say somethingelse about her, but I lost my
train of thought.
But the other gentleman that webriefly brought up earlier, so
the other love interest, HaroldRamis.
So he plays her boyfriend.
Um, I don't think they were evenengaged.

SPEAKER_03 (45:47):
They were just kind of they were yeah, no, they were
just boyfriend, girlfriendliving together because when
they were talking about likegetting, she's like, I'm not
marrying him.

SPEAKER_02 (45:56):
Yeah, that's right.
That's true.
Um, character name is StevenButchner.
So unfortunately, this is one ofthose episodes where a lot of
people have passed away.
Um, Ramus, he's already beenpassed for over 10 years.
He passed away in 2014.
And yeah, he's not in this aton.
Um, but actually, in a verysimilar regard to Sam Shepard,

(46:19):
while he certainly has had andsome iconic acting roles, he was
more so behind the camera, bothas a writer and director.
So, but and he has he's come upon this podcast now a number of
times.
Uh, just earlier this year.
Earlier this year, right?
We did stripes.

SPEAKER_03 (46:40):
What is happening?

SPEAKER_02 (46:41):
So he's in that.
Um, of course.
I was saying to you, maybe thisisn't totally spot on, but I
feel like the character he playsin this film is is Egon, if Egon
became an investment bankerinstead of a scientist.

SPEAKER_03 (46:56):
I could see that.

SPEAKER_02 (46:56):
He has kind of the same, same demeanor, especially
like the way Egon would be witha baby, I feel.

SPEAKER_03 (47:02):
Yeah, he was very like, I'm gonna pick up and pin
this baby down and talk to itlike it's a full-grown adult.

SPEAKER_02 (47:08):
Yeah, so he's in Ghostbusters, Ghostbusters 2,
Stealing Home, Groundhog Day.
He has just a little, because hedirected that film, so just a
tiny little cameo.
Airheads, love affair.
Uh, I do really like, and Ithink I say this every time, I
really do like the little turnhe has in As Good as It Gets.
Oh, yeah.

(47:28):
He's the doctor who he kind ofalmost plays the Sam Shepherd
role where he's just this verycalm, grounded character because
it's Helen Hunt who's kind ofthe neurotic role over the top
energy type character.
Yes.
The way that they play off eachother.
Yeah.
Uh he was in Orange County,knocked up, and then his final
credit was the film year one.

(47:49):
Okay.
Okay, um, we don't honestly havehow many people we don't have
that many people left, but nextwe have Sam Wanamaker.
Love that name.
So he plays Fritz Curtis.
So that is JC's like boss atthis now.

(48:12):
I know you asked, what exactlydoes she do?
She's like, I think she's kindof like a marketing executive.

SPEAKER_03 (48:19):
She did she graduate from Yale in the loss for law
and then Harvard, she had herMBA.
I can't remember.
I thought so.

SPEAKER_02 (48:27):
I think the way they phrased it, she was top of her
class at Yale.

SPEAKER_03 (48:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (48:30):
And then went on to Harvard for MBA.

SPEAKER_03 (48:33):
So I thought she, yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (48:35):
I don't think she She wasn't an attorney in the
first.

SPEAKER_03 (48:38):
She was business, businesswoman.

SPEAKER_02 (48:39):
I I think so.
Okay, big time businesswoman.
Um, so he too has passed.
He passed much earlier than inuh any of these other
individuals we've brought up sofar.
He passed away in 1993, soreally not that long after this
film came out, about five, sixyears later.
So he had a fantastic career aswell.

(49:01):
Um a lot of it well before thisfilm.
So I have all movies.
No, no, no, no, that's not true.
Almost all movies for him, withlike a notable exception.
So earlier in his career, he wasin the film The Conc Concrete
Jungle.
I put this one in just becauseof the little baby that's

(49:21):
napping next to us right now.
He's in a movie called TheWinston Affair.
Our dog's name is Winston.

SPEAKER_04 (49:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (49:28):
He was this title, which I think I have actually
brought up before.
He was in a film called Let metake a breath.
Those magnificent men in theirflying machines or how I flew
from London to Paris in 25hours, 11 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 (49:45):
Okay.
That is a big title.

SPEAKER_02 (49:48):
It's a big title, right?

SPEAKER_03 (49:50):
I mean, I'm familiar with those magnificent men in
their flying machines.
Like that title I'm familiarwith.
I didn't realize that there wasso much more to it.

SPEAKER_02 (49:59):
He was in a film called The Spy Who Came In From
the Cold.
I just think this is aninteresting title.
He was in a film called The Daythe Fish Came Out.
Okay.
He was in Private Benjamin.
He also was in IrreconcilableDifferences.
See, it's just like now it'slike right in a bite.
One off a tongue, yeah.
Yeah.
Uh so I don't know if he justhad like a friendship with Myers

(50:24):
and Scheyer, not sure.
He was in a film, a 1985 filmcalled The Aviator.
Oh.
And looked it up.
So apparently I didn't I didn'tget like the full 411 on it.
All I remember is that it hadChristopher Reeve in it.

SPEAKER_03 (50:39):
Oh, interesting.
It's not about Howard Hughes.
No.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (50:42):
But he was in Superman 4, the quest for peace,
also with Christopher Reeve.

SPEAKER_03 (50:48):
Yeah, that movie, it's a it's a Superman movie for
sure.

SPEAKER_02 (50:52):
It is.
And I think did Reeve directthat one?

SPEAKER_03 (50:56):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (50:58):
I think he had more of a more involved role, I'll
say.
Okay.
If he didn't direct it.
Now Curtis or Fritz Curtis, Iwant to say it backwards, uh,
this character comes back, theactor comes back to reply
reprise that character role inthe TV series Baby Boom.

SPEAKER_03 (51:18):
That's interesting.
So he's the same character, say,but I'm assuming not everyone
came back.

SPEAKER_02 (51:25):
Like No.
Um what was her name?
She was in uh Charlie's Angels,I believe.
Kate Jackson?

SPEAKER_04 (51:34):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (51:34):
Kate Jackson, I think, takes over the Diane
Keaton role for the TV series.
Maybe because who else?
I mean, it's a very containedcast, so I'm not sure who else
would have and also I'm reallycurious how they continued that
story.

SPEAKER_03 (51:49):
Yeah.

unknown (51:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (51:50):
She pretty definitively at the end of the
movie was like, fuck y'all.
I'm going back to Vermont.

SPEAKER_03 (51:55):
I'm good.
So I'm not good until this uhcompany that tried to buy me
just like completely demolishesme in the market, but whatever.

SPEAKER_02 (52:02):
Yeah, she really kind of showed her cards too
liberally.

SPEAKER_03 (52:07):
Like a little short-sighted.

SPEAKER_02 (52:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So um, and then for WannaMaker,his final credit was a TV movie
called Wild Justice.
Okay.
We have two people left, one ofwhich is that little snake,
James Spader, that plays KenEhrenberg is his last name.
So he is kind of, I don't know,I guess the junior associate at

(52:33):
this firm and starts weaslinghis way up uh to get JC's.
I mean it's not all his faultthe way things shook out with
JC, but he certainly tookadvantage of the situation.

SPEAKER_03 (52:48):
I think that's right.
Yeah.
I don't like I don't know if hewas like really uh as much of a
snake as much like he'sopportunist.
Yeah, he probably didn't like hecouldn't just like hey, I'm
gonna just like text you andlike we'll we'll just work.
Like that's what I like.
I don't think it it all wouldhave played out the same way
now.
No just compared to it.

(53:09):
But he you're right, hecertainly like knew what he was
doing.
Yes.
And probably has some likeplausible deniability in terms
of like, was he doing anythinglike morally or ethically?
Oh, I'm just trying to get thethe job done for the client.

SPEAKER_02 (53:24):
Yeah, and I mean, sorry that I'm bringing this up
now, but it made me think oflike you know, the scene where
JC finds out that he gets thefood chain account.

SPEAKER_04 (53:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (53:33):
First of all, I think it's interesting that he
just like outright gets theaccount, like the can't campy
account that they work ontogether, and that she, you
know, according to the story ofthe film, gets relegated to some
dog food.

SPEAKER_03 (53:48):
Oh my god, the dog food account.

SPEAKER_02 (53:49):
Yeah, apparently that's like a huge embarrassment
to have that account.

SPEAKER_03 (53:55):
You can't walk out there with the dog food account.

SPEAKER_02 (53:56):
Yeah, I thought that was an interesting choice too,
is that like she pretty she youknow tells him that like I can't
I can't show my face because Inow I just have this dog food
account.
So she makes the choice insteadto quit.
Um that felt a little like herpride talking.
Um you know, her boss is like dowhat you gotta do.

SPEAKER_03 (54:19):
Yeah, that was a that was a funny response.
Yeah, he was like because Idon't think they wanted her to
quit.

SPEAKER_02 (54:25):
No, that's why it's an interesting part of the film
for everything that we'vealready said about the way he
talks to her when she's on thepartner track to this moment.

SPEAKER_04 (54:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (54:36):
Because he he does say to her, like, hey, it's okay
to slow down a little bit.
Like you have a kid now.
So actually he's in his own way,like trying to make it work.

SPEAKER_03 (54:51):
And she wanted it all.

SPEAKER_02 (54:54):
Yeah, like it was an interesting choice she made
because she just is pretty muchlike, fuck you, I'm out.
But then now she is out of a joband she is removed from
everything that she had lovedfor for a period of time.
Um, which is kind of a funnything because like we both were
joking how Elizabeth's not ageat all over the course of this

(55:15):
entire movie.

SPEAKER_03 (55:16):
It was the weirdest like uh weirdest thing in the
movie.
Like, yeah, it's how much time,like maybe two years total.

SPEAKER_02 (55:26):
So I think I read somewhere that all of this trans
transpires over like the courseof a couple months, which No, I
don't think that's it doesn'tmake sense because there's just
no way, but like apparentlythat's like how much of a genius
she was supposed to be when itcomes to like marketing and the
whole deal.
But no way.

SPEAKER_03 (55:44):
Yeah, because they did have the four-minute sex
capade, her and Harold Ramus.
Yes, they did, but then she toldthe vet that she hadn't had sex
in over a year.
Yes, you're right.
So you're right.
Let's say a year and somechange.
It's still gonna look a littledifferent.

SPEAKER_02 (56:01):
So if let's conservatively say that
Elizabeth came to her at like 18months, she looks like she's
maybe about 18 months.

SPEAKER_03 (56:08):
Sure.
She has some verbal skills, butshe's still a fucking
three-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 (56:12):
Like she would be so much older, so much different,
but I get it for the purposes ofthe film.

SPEAKER_03 (56:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (56:17):
You can't swap out the baby.

SPEAKER_03 (56:19):
I mean, kids grow up quick.

SPEAKER_02 (56:22):
Real fast.
Yeah.
Yeah, she'd be different lookingin even just a couple months.

SPEAKER_04 (56:26):
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (56:27):
So that is a little bit of a glaring kind of I don't
know what you do.
I don't know what you do withthat.
When a baby is like a prettycentral figure in the film, but
it's supposed to transpire overthe course of probably a couple
years.
Yeah.
So that's a tough, tough thingto navigate.

SPEAKER_03 (56:43):
It was like the baby was a good baby for the film.

SPEAKER_02 (56:47):
Uh twins.

SPEAKER_03 (56:48):
Twins, okay.
Yeah.
So like, are they gonna findanother set of twins that look
mostly but just a little bit?
I feel like they've done thatbefore.
Because they have people that'slike what they do.

SPEAKER_02 (57:00):
Yeah, yeah.
So I feel like that has beendone before.
I can't like come up with anyexamples right now, but it was
getting more and more likeglaring as the film went on.
Yeah.
That Elizabeth just is like incomplete stasis.

SPEAKER_03 (57:13):
They showed they showed the baby a lot less as
the film went on too.

SPEAKER_02 (57:18):
They did, yeah.
I mean, you the number of timesyou're like, where's the baby?
Yeah.
Where's the baby?
Where'd the baby go?

SPEAKER_03 (57:24):
She's doing a lot.
She's doing a lot.
She's going out, she's doing allthese things.

SPEAKER_01 (57:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (57:31):
So um, okay, so James Spader.
Yeah.
He he is still very much workingto this day.
He's done a ton.
Uh actually, this is the firsttime that we have brought him
up.
Is it really?
Uh I mean, I think he's likecome up in passing, but it's the
first time we've covered, Ithink, one of his films, which

(57:53):
we haven't covered the biggieyet.
We still have not done Pretty inPink.
Wasn't he in Mannequin?
We haven't done Mannequin.
Holy shit.
But you're right.
Yeah, he is a mannequin.
He always plays kind of a swarmykind of, he's really good at
those characters.
Yeah.
Um, he also he's had just somereally interesting credits.
So I Yes, he does.

SPEAKER_03 (58:12):
They're they're all over the place.

SPEAKER_02 (58:13):
All over the place.
Um, yeah.
So I think he is known to a lotof people, especially like of
our generation, um, as Steph inPretty in Pink.
So he is like super swarmy,super mean to Molly Ringwald,
but yet he kind of likes her.
Um in that film too.
But he, as you said, is inmannequin.

(58:36):
Um, I mean, we could do a coupleof these films.
He's in Less Than Zero.
That one probably wouldn't comeup too soon, but he uh so it's
just that's a that's anincredibly depressing film.
He is in Wall Street.
So he's had a number of filmsthat actually he he's made, I
would say, some very bold rolechoices over the course of his

(59:01):
career.
Yeah.
The first of which being SexLies and Videotape.
Yeah.
So uh that's Steven StevenSoderberg comes to the scene
with this film and huge breakoutindie film.
Kind of certs the indie filmtrend in a lot of ways.
Oh, really?
Yeah, of the 90s.

SPEAKER_04 (59:18):
I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 (59:19):
So he's in that White Palace, Bob Roberts.

SPEAKER_03 (59:22):
The the White Palace poster.
So that that's him and SusanSarandan.
The poster.
Yeah, it just says the story ofa younger man in an older.
Oh no, it says Boulder Woman.

SPEAKER_02 (59:35):
Boulder Woman.
Interesting.
I gotcha.
Uh he's in Wolf.
Probably kind of a characteroutside of any of his other
characters is Stargate, wherehe's kind of this like innocent,
kind of nine, not naive, butlike he's just this like very
studious, kind of nerdy type.

SPEAKER_04 (59:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:56):
Uh not too similar to a lot of his other
characters, but.
But he's good in it.
I like that movie.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:02):
So not um Then it goes back to being Sinister in
Two Days in the Valley.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:07):
Yeah, well, even preceding that, he's in Crash.
So that is Cronenberg's Crash,which is another very like it's
a very sex-forward kind of film.
It's people who get off oncrashes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:20):
Holy shit.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:21):
So yeah.
What?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:25):
Yep.
I didn't know that existed.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:27):
The movie exists.
Um I'm sorry, you brought up TwoDays in the Valley.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:32):
Yeah, that that movie it was marketed or it felt
like it was like, if you likedPulp Fiction, watch this movie.
And it wasn't quite the same.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:42):
Then he's in another film that has like a really
interesting storyline or a lotof like very strong sexual
themed secretary.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:51):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:52):
With Maggie Gyllenhall.
So yeah.
No, but it's a good movie.
Like I remember thinking, wow,I've never seen anything like
this when I first watched thatmovie.
I've seen it a couple timessince.
Um, but so yeah, he makes a lotof really bold choices because I
think a lot of actors would shyaway from those type of roles.
But he has not.

(01:01:12):
Um, then he goes on to do a lotof like legal dramas on TV.
So he's in the practice, andthen I think off so I never
watched the practice, but offthe practice, he gets his own
spin-off, Boston Legal, becausehe's the same character.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:27):
Oh, I didn't I had no idea.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:29):
So he's in that.
Then you really, if I may speakon your behalf, you seem to
enjoy the turn he had in theoffice.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:38):
Well, his Robert California character.
Like it just the interview.
Like if you if you look up thelike when he's being
interviewed.
Yeah, it's it's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:51):
Well, it's him, and then across the table from him
is Jim, Toby, and Andy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:57):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:58):
But isn't it also that um tall thin guy?

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:02):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:04):
It's him.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:05):
I think he's in there.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:06):
Yeah, he's and they're all fucking enamored
with him.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:08):
Yeah, he's interviewing them as much as
anything.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:12):
I would love to know how much of that was just pure
improv, just like him riffing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:18):
Yeah, he was that was a great, a great character
in the and in the um laterseasons, it they desperately
needed that.
He's really good at comedy.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:31):
The fact that he hasn't done like, look, I'm I
mean, I didn't list off all hiscredits, but I listed off a lot
of the like the heavy hitters,almost entirely dramas.
But he's really fucking funny.
He was good as the voice ofUltron.
And that was my next credit.
Oh, sorry.
Is no, that's okay.
So he is Ultron in Avengers Ageof Ultron.

(01:02:52):
And then more recently, more TVwork.
I think it's off the air at thispoint, but he was on the
blacklist.
He was like it was like atwo-hander, and he was the main
guy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:00):
Yeah, I mean, that was on for 10 years.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:03):
Jesus Christ, was it really?

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:05):
Wow.
I did not realize it had thatlong of a run.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:08):
Yeah, 218 episodes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:10):
So yeah, he's doing okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:11):
That was a full show.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:12):
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
So lastly, we have Pat Hingel.
So Hingle plays Hughes Larrabe.
These fucking names, man.
Fritz Curtis, Hughes Larrabee.
Um, he is the head of the foodchain.
So, kind of a funny way ofputting it.
Um, so he is initially theclient that JC is trying to lure

(01:03:37):
over to her firm, and then thatdoesn't work out, and then she
leaves that firm, but then shebecomes the client, and the food
chain is trying to buy countrybaby from her.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:50):
Look, we're talking 87, 1987 numbers, right?
And their offer was threemillion and uh the position of
uh CFO.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:02):
I don't remember what the title was.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:04):
Uh yeah, an executive position with a salary
of 350,000 a year.
I'm probably taking that.

unknown (01:04:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:13):
Is that 1987 money?
Come on.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:16):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, it's like the
whole if you look at it too, younever work a day in your life.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:22):
Yeah, and pr they probably didn't have like a
remote option.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:26):
So And not only was uh apparently gourmet baby food
not a thing in the 80s, I don'tknow if that's true or not.
But you know, I'm gonna assumethat everything was organic
because it came from her ownfucking apple orchard that she
had.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:40):
Yeah, it was it was quite the uh happy coincidence
that she happened to buy the 67acre property with uh the uh
apple orchard.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:50):
Given how popular it was, I don't know if 62 acres
would be enough after a certainperiod of time.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:55):
I don't know the the calculation of uh acreage to
apples to I don't know either.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:01):
And also she branched out from apples because
we saw a segment where she, Ithink, had like peas and peas
and carrots, and like so she wasgonna have to buy up a lot more
land.
And also it's Vermont.
I don't know how much of a likeharvesting season they have.
So maybe a lot of questions.
Yeah.
Uh, but so Pat Hingle, he alsohas passed.

(01:05:24):
He passed in 2009, and again, hehad an amazing career, and I
think there is one very notablefranchise that he is probably
most well known for by a acertain generation.
So his first credit, it wasuncredited, but he was in the
film on the waterfront withMarlon Brando.
And he did just um if you lookat his IMDB, I mean, especially

(01:05:46):
in the first half of his career,but like, I mean, he had a very
robust filmography and a lot ofit's TB work, like a lot of
one-offs, two offs, not not aton of like longer stints, but
we have a couple there.
He was in the film Splendor inthe Grass, The Ugly American.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:01):
Oh, you kind of have to narrow it down.
Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:04):
He was uh for a period of time on the show
Gunsmoke, as well as anothershow.
I never heard of this, but it'scalled Stone.
That's all I know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:12):
Don't don't know that one.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:14):
He was in the film Norma Ray, The Act, Sudden
Impact, The Falcon and theSnowman, Brewster's Millions.
Okay.
Um, which we could do at somepoint.
Uh Maximum Overdrive.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:26):
Oh, yeah, we're definitely gonna do that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:28):
That's Stephen King, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:29):
It is.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:30):
The one film he directed, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:31):
Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:33):
Didn't he?
The one film he directed?
Maximum Overdrive?

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:37):
I mean, if if so, like there are certainly worse
movies that he did not direct.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:41):
I think I don't know.
I don't want to speak out ofturn.
But uh he also did voice work.
He was both the narrator and acharacter router in The Land
Before Time.
So here's the franchise.
So for those first one, two,three, four Batman movies, he
was Commissioner Gordon.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:59):
That's weird.
But yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:02):
Yeah, yeah.
That's how I know him.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:05):
So Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, and
Batman Robin.
So he's Commissioner Gordon forall four of them.
He was in Muppets from Space.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:13):
Nice.
I love Muppets from Space.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:15):
The 2000 Shaft.
He was in Taladega Nights, TheBallad of Ricky Bobby, Waltzing
Anna.
Okay, nice.
And then his final credit was afilm called Undoing Time.
Okay, so just real quick, youbrought them up.
The twins.
The two babies that played uhcollectively Elizabeth Wyatt.

(01:07:38):
So and that's the other thingtoo, is that I don't know if
Elizabeth just uh was given JC'slast name.
So this whole this whole likeadoption thing, this whole
bequeathing, inheriting a babything.
Apparently, guys, she said itreally quickly at one point
while she was on that initialphone call.
It was like her aunt's brother'sson, I don't know, like not a

(01:08:00):
first cousin.
No, definitely a distant cousin,and like it seems relatives in
England, because the woman thatbrought her over in that scene
had a very definite Englishaccent, it appeared.
Quite, quite so um, yeah,apparently no relatives,
although no, I'm thinking in adifferent movie, but um I was

(01:08:24):
thinking about while you weresleeping.
That's another movie where sheapparently has no relatives.
Um, but she somehow is the onlyliving relative to have this
baby.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:36):
I mean, the cousin for her seemed to be a male
cousin.
I'm like, so what?
Is there literally nobody on themother's side of the family?
There's not a single soul on themother side of the family.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:49):
They probably could have given an alternate title
for this movie, and that titlewould be Don't Think About It
Too Much.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:56):
I know, I know.
But I mean, I will say that thetwo twins, Christina and
Michelle Kennedy, they didgreat.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:04):
I don't know how much they had a cut around
babies being babies, but yeah,do they just like film a bunch
of like babies being babies?

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:11):
For the most part, she's totally placid.
She's just like chilling inevery scene.
So except for where they w wanther to cry, which always is a
little well, like she cries.
They they they make a point ofshowing her cry every time she's
handed off to somebody who's notJC.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:30):
So they have that kind of stuff.
And then apparently they didreprise the role of Elizabeth
for the TV series.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay.
So there you go.
Okay, film synopsis.
The life of super yuppie JC.
Super yuppie.
Super yupp is thrown intoturmoil when she inherits a baby

(01:09:51):
from a distant relative.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:52):
There are a lot of like weird uh court orders and
inheritances happening in likethe 80s and and 90s, like the
whole like Mr.
not Mr.
Belvedere, like court orderedbutlers and inheriting babies.
Is that what Mr.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:05):
Belvedere was?

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:06):
I don't think it was.
But there is there, like I feellike there are maybe I'm
thinking of like a possible plotpoint on Seinfeld when they were
trying to come up with shows andthey were thinking of Mr.
A court-ordered Mr.
Belvidere.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:21):
Court-ordered Mr.
Belvidere.
Um, but yeah, I mean there was alot of like same, like as you
said, don't think about it toomuch.
This thing happened, so there'sa story.
Yeah, inherent.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:34):
Or even like um like a movie like Brewster's
Millions, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:38):
Where he's gonna inherit You're gonna inherit
like all the money in the world,but only if you spell spend to
spend all the money in theworld.
Yeah.
So it's just And they're likeall these rules and how we can
you can't like You can't give itaway.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:54):
You can't, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:55):
I suspect I'm gonna be really annoyed by that movie
when we when we watch it.
Maybe when I start thinkingabout all the details, I'm like,
no, come on.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:03):
That's not right.
But um yeah, I look, I I think Ihad more nostalgia for the film
prior to seeing it again.
I think that I I I'm likebecause I'm thinking a lot about
like what the message I thinkthe film is.

(01:11:25):
Like I don't I don't know whatthe message is that it's sending
in terms of what is considered agood life.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:35):
I yeah, I mean I feel like the message is having
like a simpler, more traditionalkind of life is is like the
better life, or a life wherethere's more of a focus on like
family.
Yeah, not like uh fast andfurious kind of family, but you
know, more just like babygourmet baby food kind of
family.

(01:11:55):
Exactly.
And like I I mean it'sinteresting because it like it
is kind of like you can geteverything you want, because she
did.
Like she she had a successfulbusiness and she had like that
different pace of life andfamily and like a more um I

(01:12:16):
don't know, love interests thatfit better into like this life
that she wanted for.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So I I I don't again, it's not afair comparison, but the the
ones that like we have coveredthat come to mind are like the
baby not baby we're talkingabout baby boom.
Um Mr.
Mom and Working Girl.

(01:12:38):
Yeah.
And Working Girl and Mr.
Mom certainly like they workbetter for me in terms of like
the comedy aspect of it, whichlike Michael Keaton, like the
the casting for for those I meanMr.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:53):
Mom is like uh big time number one for me, and then
like this movie and Working Girlfall below.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:59):
Yeah, and they they in terms of comedy, yeah.
And Working Girl and this kindof like are probably more
complimentary to each other thanthe other thing.
Very much so.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:07):
Yeah.
Look, I appreciate that thereare films in the 80s, like even
the opening, opening thenarrator was um, I believe Linda
Ellerby, okay, who was like ajournalist.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:18):
It was super 80s intro.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:20):
Very 80s intro.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:22):
People walking in the city.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:23):
Well, very specifically, they did shots of
women, yeah.
Like w working women, yeah.
Um, a lot of shots of women insneakers on their way to work.
Yeah, change out your shoes.
That is a thing.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Um, and they did the same thingin Working Girl, like they
showed that for her as well.
And uh, you know, there's thislike narration about how women

(01:13:44):
were once told that they weresupposed to marry doctors and
lawyers.
Now they are doctors andlawyers, and that 53% of the
workforce is women.
Um so, so it puts forth thisidea.
And like I think it'sinteresting that there's no
narration at the end.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:01):
It's just at the at the beginning of the film about
like kind of the state of thingsright now and how it's just it's
just her enjoying a quiet momentwith her baby that has not aged
a single day.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:12):
Yeah.
And I I think that like youknow, like I'll I'll I'll stick
by what I said earlier.
I don't think she was unhappy inthe first half of the film.
And the first like what the lifethat she had up to the point
that she had Elizabeth, I don'tthink she was unhappy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:29):
No, I think like where things are now is that for
the most part, companies are farmore like welcoming to like
adapting to different types oflife.
Like people in executivepositions have have families,
they have baby, they havematernal, they have Matt Leave,
they have Pat leave.

(01:14:49):
So what she had to do, she hadto completely like upend her
life, and it's great that shelike found this new life that
worked for her, but it wouldhave been better if she'd been
able to like figure it out if ifif yeah, if the work had
accommodated her having a kid.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:06):
That could have been a really interesting film.
You know, I and so that's whylike I'm a little cloudy on what
the message is, because as Isaid earlier, if man or woman,
if your life is all about yourjob, and that doesn't mean that
you're being neglectful towardslike the other relationships
that you've chosen to have, likeif you've chosen to get married

(01:15:28):
or you've chosen to havechildren, then by all means, go
be that person.
Yeah.
And and that's who she was.
And she had a partner that fullywas okay with that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:39):
Um not everyone can leave and go have a success
successful uh gourmet baby foodcompany.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:46):
Some people like to have a family and still keep
their like a little corporatejob, but so for the time that it
was though, like, you know, Idon't know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:55):
I mean, I guess I can appreciate that like I
wouldn't say she went fullcircle, but she went about 300
degrees.
Yeah.
Where she I'm like doing that.
Where where she is not doing,you know, whatever you want to
call it, the the New York Cityrat race.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:16):
But she is still a very successful businesswoman.
She's still busy, she's not justlike sitting at home.
And hey, if you if homemakers,that's your choice and you can
do it, great.
Go do it if that makes youhappy.
So no judgment there.
But just like she is stillincorporating into her life the
things that she loved from thatprior version of her life.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:37):
But now she has Elizabeth as well.
Um, and is that actually thoughwas a funny thing.
Um, I thought that was almostthe most evergreen part of the
film where she is at theplayground and she's overhearing
the other mothers.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:51):
And they're all talking about all the things
that they have to do to gettheir kids into the right
schools, and that they'restarting before they're even
born.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:58):
It reminded me a little bit of Raising Arizona.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:00):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:01):
They're talking about like, you gotta get all
this stuff for kid, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:04):
And and I was like, wow, that actually, for not
being a parent, yeah, I hearthat a lot about like just
needing to start very early withlike, you know, quality of
schooling and like, you know,thinking about those things for
your children.
And that felt very current tome.
So that was like an interestinglittle part of the film.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:26):
My parents never even tried to get me into a
private school, and I'veresented them for it for all of
my life.
Not really.
I'm just kidding.
It's fine.
Public school is fine.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:34):
I did go to a private school for all of my
underschool.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:37):
That's why you're much, much smarter than me.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:39):
Oh, I love you, but that's not true.
Um, so it's all, it all, it allshakes out at the end.
So um, would you watch this filmagain?

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:50):
I mean, if it's on, depending on the part, I might
watch it, but am I gonna likeseek it out?
Or if it's starting, I'm likegonna hunker down and watch the
whole thing through uh maybenot.
I that's okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:04):
That's all right.
Maybe not.
I mean, same.
I I'm really glad I got torevisit it because it's it's
been a very long time since I'vewatched it, and it was really
fun to get to just see DianeKeaton and something.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:15):
Um it was a nice light-hearted uh palette
cleanser after the color ofmoney.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:20):
Yeah, that's true too.
That's true too.
A little bit more of a holidayfair, if you will.
Yeah.
Um there's snow.
There's snow.
So yeah, I don't think I need towatch it again soon, but I love
her.
Even with like the things thatI'm picking apart for the movie,
I really enjoy just watching herdo her thing.
Yeah, she was great.
So uh call to action.

(01:18:41):
I mean, of those, I I think minewould be of those films of the
80s where like there seemed tobe a lot of like workplace
comedies and a lot of kind oflike I don't know if I say like
role reversal, but just like anup-ending of certain roles as
far as like as it concerns beinga working man or working woman.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:59):
And then there were other ones, like just different
like culture, like gung-ho, likedifferent other like cultural
society.
Something like broadcast news.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:08):
Where like so all these kind of very
workplace-centric type films.
I'm just really curious wherethis falls for people and how
what do they think of themessage?
What do they think the messageis being sent through this film?

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:21):
It's funny that that's your call to action
because that was mine as well.
It really was.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:26):
Was it really?

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:27):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:27):
Okay, all right, all right.
Well, if you want to get intouch with us, we would love to
hear from you.
You can reach out throughFacebook, Instagram, or Blue
Sky.
It is the same handle at allthree.
It is at 80smontage pod.
And 80s is 80S.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:41):
It is.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:42):
Oh my gosh, Derek.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:44):
What's up?

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:46):
We're at the season finale.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:48):
We are, yeah.
How many seasons is this?
What season?
Six seasons?
No wonder we can't rememberwhich season it is.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:56):
Yeah.
This is going to be the lastepisode of seasons.
And it's kind of funny how thisall shook out because our
midseason episode was from thesame franchise.
So our midseason episode thisyear was National Lampoons
Vacation.

(01:20:16):
Yep.
And of course, for the holidays,we are going to wrap things up
for season six with NationalLampoon's Christmas Vacation.
So we're kind of bookending thisseason in a manner of speaking.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:30):
What I like about Christmas Vacation is that
similar to the first vacationmovie, you get to see like just
how easily Clark would likecross the line into actual
cheating on his Clark Griswold.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:47):
He's a complicated figure.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:48):
He sure is.
Because he does some really likenice things in this movie.
Yes, he does.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:53):
Yes, he does.
What a complicated man.
Complicated man.
Yes.
Many layers to peel.
So that is next up on deck.
And in the meantime, just thankyou to everybody for hanging
with us.
We really appreciate that of allthe choices you have, you are
choosing to spend some time withus.
So thank you so much, and wewill talk to you again in two

(01:21:15):
weeks' time.

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