Rain Man

In this episode, Anna and Derek discuss just how much we need to know about EPA car standards, if Dr. Bruner was a bit of a dick, and much more during their discussion of Barry Levinson's Best Picture winner, Rain Man (1988).

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
you remember this thursday very snowy out 7.2

(00:12):
inches of snow that day is thisjust after mom died new year's
yeah mom died january 5th 1965and you remember that day you
remember that day that you wereshort and sudden illness you
remember that day yeah yeah WasI there?
Where was I?
You were in the window.
You waved to me.

(00:32):
Bye-bye, Rain Man.
Bye-bye.

SPEAKER_01 (00:35):
Whoa, and welcome to 80s Movie Montage.
This is Derek.

SPEAKER_03 (00:38):
And this is Anna.

SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
And that was Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman as
Charlie and Raymond Babbitt,respectively, in 1988's Rain
Man.

SPEAKER_03 (00:48):
Rain Man.
Another Oscar Best Picturewinner.

SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
Yeah.
This

SPEAKER_03 (00:53):
might be the quickest succession.
Succession?
Sure.
Of us doing Oscar winnersbecause we did Amadeus not too
long ago.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01):
And this was also the highest grossing film of-
Was it really?
1988.
After a slow start, it built upmomentum after word of mouth.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08):
That's really interesting.
I didn't know that.
Yes, Rain Man.
It had been a while since I hadwatched this movie, but I had
seen it in its entirety a coupletimes at least.
You told me this was the firsttime you've seen it in its
entirety.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26):
Yeah, there are a lot more movies from the 80s
than i think i realized becausei certainly had like

SPEAKER_03 (01:34):
there are a lot

SPEAKER_01 (01:35):
i had like my niche i guess of action action
adventure your niche was bloodsport so basically uh kumite any
movie with kumite basically soyeah a lot of these movies i
have like awareness of i knowhow uh acclaimed they were and
the oscar winning and everythingbut i had never sat down and

(01:58):
watched the whole i'd certainlynever seen it the I never
watched it from start to finish.
So last night was the first timethat I watched the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 (02:05):
Yeah, I knew that it had won Best Picture.
I knew that Dustin...
And we'll go through everything,respectively.
But I knew Dustin Hoffman hadwon Best Actor.
I didn't realize the extent towhich, though, it got...
I mean, I guess if you win BestPicture, you're doing something
right.
But it had a total of eightnominations and four wins for

(02:25):
this film.
So...
It did pretty well, and we'regoing to dive in.
Before, though, we start, foralmost every category, we will
go through who's behind thatanyway, because that's just our
normal format.
The one, though, that wewouldn't touch on is that it did
get a nomination, or no, it wonfor Best Art Direction Set

(02:49):
Decoration.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Am I right about that?
They decorated the hell out ofthe road.
Or was it just a nom?
Let me just make sure I got itcorrect between nomination
versus win.
Just taking a look.
Oh, it was just nomination.
Apologies.
Yeah.
But that was one of them.

(03:09):
So just wanted to get that inthere before we start.
And like you said, 1988.
And as we do, we will start withthe writers.
So we have two gentlemen who arecredited.
And they shared the bestoriginal screenplay Oscar win
for this.
This was a win.
And the first gentleman, BarryMorrow.

(03:32):
I think this is going to be thefirst and last time we ever
bring him up.
So he has both a story by andscreenplay by credit.
So my guess here, because thesetwo guys, they're not writing
partners.
They both just share credit forthe screenplay.
So my guess here is that he'sthe first writer on this.
He originated the story.

(03:53):
And then they wanted somebody tolike maybe polish it up, flush
it out, what have you.
And so that's when they broughtin the other guy because he has
a much more– Well, I guess,though, a lot of his credits
came after this film.
So he was still relatively newas well.
But that's what I think probablyhappened.
Okay.
Is that they brought the secondguy in just to polish it up a

(04:14):
bit.
For Morrow, this was his veryfirst feature screenplay, so not
too shabby.
As far as the rest...
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (04:26):
Wrote one, won one.

SPEAKER_03 (04:27):
He's probably like, wow, so it's just this easy?
You just write a screenplay, youwin an Oscar for it?
I do have a couple movies.
Unfortunately, none that I'mfamiliar with.
Gosspa, Race the Sun, Mercy ofthe Sea, and All You Ever Wished
For.
Great titles.

(04:47):
Yeah, pretty decent titles.
And then other than that, a lotof TV movies.
He worked on about seven, Icounted, TV movies.
So that's what we have forMorrow.
And then the other gentleman,people might be more familiar
actually with the name, althoughthe bulk of his career came
after this film, Ron Bass.

SPEAKER_01 (05:07):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (05:07):
So he is also...
like I said, share the Oscarwin.
He just has a screenplay bycredit, but I have two notable
TV series, but mostly films forhim and almost entirely films
that people I think would know.
So some of his credits includeSleeping with the Enemy.

(05:29):
He's all over the place in termsof...

SPEAKER_01 (05:31):
It's just the most dramatic title, maybe.
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (05:33):
totally.

SPEAKER_01 (05:36):
Second only to Not Without My Children.

SPEAKER_03 (05:38):
Not Without...

SPEAKER_01 (05:40):
Now without

SPEAKER_03 (05:41):
my child?
Now

SPEAKER_01 (05:42):
without my daughter?

SPEAKER_03 (05:42):
Now without my son?

SPEAKER_01 (05:44):
Now without my kid?
The

SPEAKER_03 (05:47):
Sally Field one, right?
That's it.

UNKNOWN (05:49):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (05:51):
I don't remember if it's a son or daughter.
Now without my kiddo.
Yeah, but you're right.
Sleeping with the enemy.
Although, you know what?
If we were doing a podcastabout- We

SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
are.
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (06:05):
We were doing a podcast about films from like
the 30s and 40s.
There are some hella dramatictitles for those films back
then.

SPEAKER_02 (06:12):
Fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 (06:13):
Yeah.
In a way, Sleeping with theEnemy is kind of a throwback to
some of those films.
Anyway, Joy Luck Club, When aMan Loves a Woman.
Oh, yeah.
It's a little dramatic.
It's a song.
Dangerous Minds.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Waiting to Exhale.
So he also has a credit for theTV series that came from

(06:34):
Dangerous Minds, also calledDangerous Minds.

SPEAKER_01 (06:37):
Makes sense.
Capitalize on that.
Got to build on that success.

SPEAKER_03 (06:40):
Another TV series called Maloney.
So he has a couple of creditsfor certain actors.
So Sleeping with the Enemy washeadlined by Julia Roberts.
He also did My Best Friend'sWedding.
So it's another huge JuliaRoberts film.

SPEAKER_01 (07:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (07:01):
How Stella got her groove back.

SPEAKER_01 (07:03):
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
It was with some other guy,right?
It was like some young dude?

SPEAKER_03 (07:06):
Yeah.
That's what did it?
Taye Diggs?
Yeah, I think so.
I think Taye Diggs.

SPEAKER_01 (07:09):
He got her groove back.

SPEAKER_03 (07:10):
I think that's, yeah.
What Dreams May Come, anotherJulia Roberts film, Stepmom,
Entrapment.

SPEAKER_01 (07:18):
Oh, yeah, that's the one where it's, like, older Sean
Connery and Catherine.
Oh, it's so gross.
Catherine Jeter Jones.

SPEAKER_03 (07:26):
Yeah, yeah.
In that infamous scene whereshe's, like, trying to avoid,
like, the lasers or whatever.
I think

SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
that's a legit way to just stick your ass straight
up.
That's usually how they tell youto avoid the lasers.
That's literally the

SPEAKER_03 (07:41):
only thing I remember from that movie is
being like, okay.
And she's wearing, like, this,like.
Tight

SPEAKER_01 (07:45):
leather.
Tight,

SPEAKER_03 (07:46):
yes.

UNKNOWN (07:47):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (07:48):
Yes, I have not seen that movie probably since it
came out, but I remember that.
Snow Falling on Cedars andMozart and the Whale.
Oh, okay.
So those are some credits.
All right, director.
There's definitely anopportunity for us to bring him
up again, but this is, I think,the very first time we have
talked about Barry Levinson.

(08:09):
Barry.
Yeah, and he won Best Directorfor this film.
Okay.
So good on him.

SPEAKER_01 (08:15):
Yeah.
And, of course, he was in thefilm, too.

SPEAKER_03 (08:19):
He was!

SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (08:20):
Yeah, it's kind of a fun little cameo.
It's always interesting to mewhen directors choose to be in
their films.

SPEAKER_01 (08:26):
I mean, he was the doctor, I guess, at the end of
the movie when they were tryingto decide what is the best
situation for Raymond.
He was the

SPEAKER_03 (08:38):
court-appointed psychiatrist.

SPEAKER_01 (08:40):
Yeah, so that was like a legit role.

SPEAKER_03 (08:42):
Yeah.
To be quite honest, though, Imean, he won for Best Director,
so he obviously got greatperformances out of the other
actors.
I'm not sure if I thought thatthat character himself behaved
in a way that a court-appointedpsychiatrist would, because
towards the end, he's clearlylike...
intentionally speaking toRaymond in such a way as to get

(09:05):
him upset.

SPEAKER_01 (09:05):
Yeah.
Like he was, he would knowbetter.
He was antagonizing everyone.

SPEAKER_03 (09:10):
Yes.
Yeah.
Uh, like just the number oftimes he said to Charlie, don't
get defensive.
You don't have to get defensiveabout this.

SPEAKER_01 (09:19):
So many times.

SPEAKER_03 (09:20):
It's like the same thing when somebody is like,
just calm down.
Yeah.
Anyway.
So Levinson, uh, so, so manygreat credits to his name.
And, uh, other Oscar love for alot of those projects so and
they kind of switch off wellthere's a little bit of variety
there because for like I saidfor this best director he also I

(09:43):
am going through his directingcredits but for some of those
projects he gets other types ofnominations so like for instance
for Diner which we could do atsome point he gets best original
screenplay

SPEAKER_01 (09:57):
is that a TV movie Diner?
IMDb is saying that's a TVmovie.
No.
I didn't think so.

SPEAKER_03 (10:04):
Diner?
They haven't, okay, now I gottago find this.
1983.

SPEAKER_01 (10:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (10:12):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (10:12):
it says TV movie, Diner.
No.
I don't think that's right.

SPEAKER_03 (10:18):
I don't think that's right.

SPEAKER_01 (10:20):
Anyways.

SPEAKER_03 (10:21):
That would be, no, that was like a feature release.
I thought so.
Oh, you're looking at adifferent version of it.

SPEAKER_01 (10:29):
God damn it.

SPEAKER_03 (10:30):
There was like the film, and he did both, I guess.
That's interesting.
Because there was the featurefilm in 82.
Oh.
And then a TV movie in 83.

SPEAKER_01 (10:41):
That is weird.
Okay,

SPEAKER_03 (10:42):
well.

UNKNOWN (10:42):
Huh.

SPEAKER_03 (10:43):
That's really interesting.
Case

SPEAKER_01 (10:45):
closed.

SPEAKER_03 (10:46):
Case closed.
So he gets Best OriginalScreenplay Oscar nomination for
that.
We could certainly do this.
He directs The Natural.
You like that movie.

SPEAKER_01 (10:54):
I do.
It gets a little full of itselfat times.
A lot.
Extensive use of slow motion.

SPEAKER_03 (11:00):
It's very melodramatic.

SPEAKER_01 (11:01):
Yeah.
Like every single time Roy is upat the plate.
you know there's going to be aslow-mo sequence of like the
ball getting ripped out of itscasing or the ball causing like
every single light in thestadium to simultaneously
explode, showering everyone insparks.

(11:22):
That's like the big moment.
Yeah, of

SPEAKER_03 (11:24):
course.

SPEAKER_01 (11:25):
Yeah, but it's a fun movie.

SPEAKER_03 (11:27):
So he directed that.
He directed Tin Man.
He directed Good MorningVietnam, which maybe at some
point we would do.
Maybe.
So he gets this next BestOriginal Screenplay Oscar
nomination for Avalon.
Now we're moving into the 90s.
So he gets a twofer.
He gets Best Director nominationand Best Picture, so he's a

(11:48):
producer on it, for Bugsy.
He directs Toys.
This one's kind of aninteresting outlier, in my
opinion.
Disclosure.
Who does that?

SPEAKER_01 (11:57):
Well, that, I think, was a...
Was that a

SPEAKER_03 (12:00):
Michael Crichton...
Oh, I

SPEAKER_01 (12:02):
don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (12:02):
But that sounds right.

SPEAKER_01 (12:03):
Because there are a couple.
Sphere, I know, is one of his.
So that might be why.
Maybe.

SPEAKER_03 (12:07):
Maybe they have some kind of relationship.
He directed Sleepers.
So I'm pretty sure Hoffman's inthis one, too.
He's in Wag the Dog.
Or he directed...
Dustin Hoffman is in Wag theDog, and Levinson directed Wag
the Dog.

SPEAKER_01 (12:21):
If he directed it, he's in it somewhere, because
that's apparently his thing.

SPEAKER_03 (12:25):
Oh, well, I don't know.
Maybe he made a cameo in that.

SPEAKER_01 (12:28):
He did.
Oh, did he?
Without even seeing it, like,apparently, like, when I saw
that he was in this, in RainMan, I saw that that was his
thing.
I did not

SPEAKER_03 (12:36):
list Barry Levinson's acting credits,
because I just didn't think thatthat

SPEAKER_01 (12:41):
was...

SPEAKER_03 (12:41):
Necessary.
But then Hoffman's also inSphere.
Yeah.
So he directs that.
The film Envy.
And then more recently, see, Ithink this is really interesting
because sometimes these TVmovies do get, because I think
they have gotten a lot of GoldenGlobe attention.
He directed the TV movie YouDon't Know Jack about Jack
Kevorkian.
Oh, okay.

(13:01):
And that, I believe, starred AlPacino.
It did, yeah.
And then he also directed Wizardof Lies, which starred Robert De
Niro.
And that was about the Ponzischeme guy.

SPEAKER_01 (13:13):
What was his name?
Bertie Madoff.

SPEAKER_03 (13:17):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (13:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (13:18):
Good, good pull.
So, yeah, he did both those.
Okay.
Which I think both of them got afair amount of acclaim.
Okay.
Moving on to cinematography.
This is not the first time.
that we have brought up JohnSeale.
He got a Best CinematographyOscar nomination for this

(13:41):
project.
And the one time, which maybenot the last time, but I don't
know if we'll bring him up againsoon.

SPEAKER_01 (13:48):
Not soon, but we will bring him up again at some

SPEAKER_03 (13:50):
point.
Probably, yeah, probably.
We brought him up for Dead PoetsSociety.
Okay.
So definitely go check that oneout.
That was a couple seasons agofor sure.

SPEAKER_01 (14:00):
Oh, Seale, my Seale.
Oh, geez.

SPEAKER_03 (14:05):
So among his other.
I mean, he multi he did.
He does get one win, but a lotof Oscar love for this guy.
And when I go through hisfilmography, it's kind of
obvious why.
So he gets his because thispreceded.
Yes, he gets his firstcinematography nomination for

(14:26):
Witness.

SPEAKER_01 (14:27):
That's the one.
That I think we'll possiblycover.
I

SPEAKER_03 (14:31):
think we maybe one day would also cover The
Hitcher.
Yeah.
It's kind of like a horror.

SPEAKER_01 (14:35):
Is that Rutger Hauer?
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (14:37):
Yep.
So he did that.
He did Children of a Lesser God.
The Mosquito Coast.
Another Harrison Ford film.

SPEAKER_02 (14:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (14:47):
Yeah.
Gorillas in the Mist.
As I mentioned, did PoetSociety.
Did you ever see the filmLorenzo's Oil?
No.
I don't know really why I sawit.
I saw it.
really young and especially forsomeone who is a kid I it's a
good film it's Susan Sarandonand I believe Nick Nolte and

(15:07):
their child has this like veryvery rare condition that there's
virtually no like research andcertainly no cure for and so
they kind of just do they startdoing their own

SPEAKER_02 (15:15):
to

SPEAKER_03 (15:16):
try to figure out how to help their child he shot
the film so now he gets hisOscar win for the English
patient

SPEAKER_01 (15:24):
okay

SPEAKER_03 (15:25):
so it is a beautiful film and Ghosts of Mississippi,
At First Sight, The Talented Mr.
Ripley, another really beautifulfilm.
He actually was the DP on thevery first Harry Potter film.

SPEAKER_01 (15:37):
Really?
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (15:37):
So he shot Harry Potter and, right?
Sorcerer's Stone's the firstone.

SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
I believe so.

SPEAKER_03 (15:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (15:43):
And he gets two more nominations for Cold Mountain.
And he actually shot, I think heshould have fucking won for
this.
He shot Mad Max Fury Road.
He didn't?
No, he did.
Oh, he shot it, but oh, yourquestion was in reference to him
winning.
He did not win.
So I'm like, who fucking wonthat year?

(16:04):
That would have been 2015?
He

SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
was nominated, though, at least, right?
Correct.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, that's crazy, because thatwas amazing.

SPEAKER_03 (16:11):
Yes! I mean, especially like he was a much
older cinematographer at thattime.
That, I would presume, was avery robust shoot.
Yes.
Yeah.
So that wasn't just like a

SPEAKER_01 (16:25):
quiet little drama.
There was a lot

SPEAKER_03 (16:28):
of practical stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, crazy.
I wonder who won that year.
In any case, so that is Mr.
John Seale.
I'm sure we will talk about himagain in the future at some
point.
Yeah.
I was actually really surprised.
I was convinced we had talkedabout Hans Zimmer before.
I am actually, like, I was so, Iwas first so wrong, but so

(16:51):
surprised.
I'm like, really?
Really?
We haven't talked about HansZimmer before?
But no, I don't think we have.
We must have just brought him upin passing, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 (17:02):
Yeah, because this is 88, and this was his first
feature film that he composedon.

SPEAKER_03 (17:09):
I mean, first best original score Oscar nom.
So that's something.
He got a nomination for this,not a win.
I mean, still very much goingstrong.
He has over 260 composingcredits.
I mean, I don't want to...

(17:30):
I try not to...
feed the gossip mill I've heardthat he kind of has like a team
underneath him I mean how elseare you like cranking out over
260 projects

SPEAKER_01 (17:43):
yeah

SPEAKER_03 (17:43):
so

SPEAKER_01 (17:44):
yeah I've heard that too I don't know how upset I'm
supposed to be I

SPEAKER_03 (17:48):
don't know either

SPEAKER_01 (17:48):
about it because I I don't know how how that works
right from like a businessactual production standpoint
creativity

SPEAKER_03 (17:58):
Like, are you just like bogarting other people's
work and claiming it as yourown?
I don't know.
I don't know how that works.

SPEAKER_01 (18:04):
All I know is that I like the end result.
He's somehow part of it.
Yeah.
Good for him.
Sure.
Great.
Sure.

SPEAKER_03 (18:13):
So I guess we've never really gone over his
filmography, so it's going totake a minute because I have 25
different credits, and obviouslythat's just like a fraction of
what he's done.
Yeah.
You know, we always do this inchronological order.
So here we go.
And I don't...

(18:33):
I mean, he's pretty faithful tofilm.
I don't have any TV credits forhim.
My Beautiful Laundrette.
So maybe, maybe we would do thatone day because it's like very
early Daniel Day-Lewis work.
So possibly.
Just as likely, more likely, Idon't know.
We would maybe do Driving MissDaisy one day because it's at
the tail end, 89.

(18:54):
I think the score for Thelma andLouise is great.
He did that.
He did Backdraft.
A League of Their Own.

SPEAKER_02 (19:01):
Okay.
It's

SPEAKER_03 (19:01):
another Geena Davis film.
True Romance.
So he gets his very first Oscarwin.
He, I think, just has two sofar.
He gets his first Oscar win forBest Original Score on the...
What was it?
94's Lion King.
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (19:16):
okay.
The

SPEAKER_03 (19:17):
animated one.

SPEAKER_01 (19:18):
The first.
The actual Lion King.
The

SPEAKER_03 (19:19):
actual Lion King.
So I don't know how many morethere's been since.
So he wins for that.
Now...
Apologies.
Okay, so the next

SPEAKER_02 (19:29):
one,

SPEAKER_03 (19:30):
two, three, four, five films that I'm going to
name, he gets nominations forall of them for Best Original
Score.
The Preacher's Wife, As Good AsIt Gets, The Prince of Egypt,
The Thin Red Line, andGladiator.
All nominations.

SPEAKER_01 (19:45):
I bet it's come up with the Thin Red Line.
I bet his name's come up whenwe've talked about that.

SPEAKER_03 (19:49):
Maybe because I was just about to say that I
actually...
So old school here.
I have the soundtrack.
I have the CD.
I mean, I guess I do have a fairnumber of soundtrack from
different films.
But the music for that film,especially certain sequences,
is...

(20:11):
haunting and beautiful and maybesome of the just the most
stunning music I've heard.
So if he's involved in that inany way, I thank him for it
because it is gorgeous music.

SPEAKER_01 (20:24):
What if it was just his team?

SPEAKER_03 (20:26):
Well, I don't know, but it's it's gorgeous, gorgeous
music.
So

SPEAKER_01 (20:32):
for this score, he was specifically asked not to
include strings as the concernwas that it would be too
sentimental.

SPEAKER_03 (20:39):
that's a good note yeah so okay so he also so he
starts I think here this iswhere he would start a long
collaboration with ChristopherNolan he's done a ton of
Christopher Nolan films at thispoint and he does the score for
Batman Begins The Dark KnightThe Dark Knight Rises so pretty
identifiable I would say forthose films he also did the trio

(21:04):
of our weird comfort film The DaVinci Code laughing He does
that.
Angels and Demons and Inferno.

SPEAKER_01 (21:14):
What's more comforting than watching some
guy mutilate

SPEAKER_03 (21:17):
himself?
I don't know.
I don't know why.
Why?
We just like, oh yeah, okay,let's just keep that on whenever
it's on.
He gets another Oscarnomination.
I don't think, because sometimeswe do composers where they do a
little...
you know, not double dippingbecause that sounds negative,
but they might get attention forboth scores and original songs.
Not the case here.

(21:37):
He's like pretty strictly scoresfor all his nominations.
He gets another nomination forSherlock Holmes.
He gets his first Nolan projectnomination for Inception.
That is a great score.
It is.

SPEAKER_02 (21:51):
Yeah.
Very

SPEAKER_03 (21:51):
identifiable.
He does Man of Steel as well asBatman v.
Superman, Dawn of Justice.

UNKNOWN (21:58):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (21:59):
12 years a slave.

SPEAKER_01 (22:00):
Did he have a deal with Nolan or Warner Brothers?

SPEAKER_03 (22:04):
That's a great question.
Don't know.
But Nolan, I think, can pick andchoose who he wants to work
with.
So I don't think he'd be workingwith Zimmer if he didn't want to
work with

SPEAKER_01 (22:13):
Zimmer.
I'll wait and see.
Did he work on Oppenheimer?
No.

SPEAKER_03 (22:17):
Okay.
He does Interstellar.
I think that's another prettyidentifiable

SPEAKER_01 (22:23):
score.
It's really good.
Yeah, it's a really good score.

SPEAKER_03 (22:26):
He does Hidden Figures.
I have not seen this, but youhave, right?
He does Dunkirk.

SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
Yeah, it's not...
Like, I don't really...
I can't think of the score.
Like, the movie itself was...

SPEAKER_03 (22:38):
Sometimes I can,

SPEAKER_01 (22:39):
like...
I'm

SPEAKER_03 (22:40):
like, oh, no, I remember loving the music for
that.
And sometimes I'm like, I don'tknow if I really clocked it.
He does Hillbilly Elegy.
So that's another Ron Howardfilm.
Okay.
He gets his next Oscar win forDune Part 1, so very recent.

SPEAKER_01 (22:56):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:57):
He does the, so he kind of in a way, I'm not going
to say re-teams, but he works onanother Tom Cruise project
because he does Top GunMaverick.

SPEAKER_01 (23:05):
Nice.

SPEAKER_03 (23:06):
And then even more recently, he, of course, is the
composer on Dune Part 2.
Okay, moving on to editing, StuLinder.
Okay.
Okay.

(23:40):
He gets his first and only Oscarwin for Grand Prix, which was
extremely early in his career.

SPEAKER_01 (23:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (23:47):
Very, very early in his career.
That

SPEAKER_01 (23:48):
was like 1966.

SPEAKER_03 (23:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (23:52):
Yeah.
He was just a baby.
So he gets out the gate, getsthat, and then goes on to work
on My Bodyguard.
He works on Diner with Levinson.
He also works on The Natural,Tin Men, Good Morning Vietnam,
Bugsy.
Quiz Show, Disclosure, Wag theDog, Sphere, and his final

(24:13):
credit was Envy.
So a very close collaborationwith Levinson over the course of
his career.
Okay.
Oh, did you have a...
I know you had mentioned offmic, you had some Oscar trivia.

SPEAKER_01 (24:27):
Well, it was relating to Dustin Hoffman.

SPEAKER_03 (24:29):
Oh, well, there you go.
Perfect.
Perfect segue because we are atthe stars of the film.
Do you want me to go through allhis stuff first and then we can
talk about it?

SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
Well, I mean, spoilers, but he does win the
Best Actor Oscar.
And it was presented to him byMichael Douglas.
And he preceded that with Andthe Oscar Goes To.
Before, it was always The WinnerIs.
But this was the first time theyeither changed it or they
preceded the award winning withAnd the Oscar Goes To.

(25:01):
The Academy intentionally madethat switch because To avoid the
implication that if you'renot...
I think they made the

SPEAKER_03 (25:09):
right call there.

SPEAKER_01 (25:11):
So it's been in effect ever since then.

SPEAKER_03 (25:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (25:13):
So that was the first time, the first recipient
of that

SPEAKER_03 (25:17):
change.
Well, the first recipient or thefirst year of that ceremony.
Because Best Actor is not thefirst category.

SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
It's not clear to me if they used that verbiage for
all of the preceding awards.
Got it.
Or if that was because...
I don't know if it was...
They wanted to make that change,but I don't know the specifics.
I just know that when he got it,

SPEAKER_03 (25:41):
that's

SPEAKER_01 (25:41):
what was said.

SPEAKER_03 (25:43):
Got it.
I think that's a good call.
I mean...
Look, it's probably hard enoughto not win the Oscar.
You don't want to be thought ofas like, oh, well, you lost.
You're a loser.
I mean, technically speaking,that's exactly what it is.
But all these like little egosand we got to we got to take
care of in this industry.
So it's fine.

SPEAKER_01 (26:03):
You think someone said something you think like
people had said, like the peoplewho didn't win were like,

SPEAKER_03 (26:08):
why did you say it like that?
I don't know.
That's a good question.
I have no idea.
But I mean.
People do get very particularabout stuff in this industry and
have sensitive, sensitive egos.
I just, I'm not going to go intodetail because it's work
related, but like something likethat came up this week.
So anyway.
Okay.

(26:29):
So Dustin Hoffman, Raymond, Rayman.
If you, if anybody out theredidn't put that together, that's
how that name came about.
Yeah.
Raymond Babbitt.
And yes, to your point, he doeswin the Oscar for this.
And, you know, we talked aboutthis after screening the film

(26:51):
for the show.
All the implications of whatthat means for somebody who, to
my knowledge, is not in any wayneurodivergent to portray
someone who is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, we can just like getinto it now.
I think we both came to theconclusion that we just don't

(27:12):
know.
We don't know whatconsiderations there should be
for, you know, this is a hugeconversation in so many ways.

SPEAKER_01 (27:24):
Not just with, you know, his performance in this
movie, but the individuals thatwere in the beginning of the
movie when they first get to,was it Walbrook?

SPEAKER_03 (27:35):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (27:36):
Where he was living.
So yeah, there's a lot in termsof having something look
exploitive or people being takenadvantage.
I don't know how any of thatprocess worked or if the
individuals in that openingscene were also given direction,

(27:57):
perform, and here's what youshould be doing.
But it's something that I wouldimagine at a minimum you have to
be really cognizant of.
And I think for Hoffman, I feellike this could be said of a lot
of movies that end up beingwildly successful and
Oscar-winning films, where atthe time that they're filming

(28:19):
it, they're like, what are wedoing?
So he for sure was questioning,I don't know about this.
I'm not sure about this.
I'm not sure if I'm happy withmy performance.
This is something that he hadtalked to the director about.
The director was on the RichEisen podcast show, I think this

(28:41):
year, or 2024, 2025, talkingabout it.
And it's not that he ever wantedto leave or stop, but he was
concerned.
He wasn't completely sure of howthis was all going to work.

SPEAKER_03 (28:55):
Right.
No, I mean, it is...
And I mean, this is not the showor the episode to do a deep dive
into this, but this is a hugeconversation just in terms of
like, what can an actor do ornot do?
What kind of roles?
Like, look, there are certainlyinstances in where we have come

(29:16):
a real long way.
Like, we don't do blackfaceanymore.
We don't do brownface anymore.
Like, we understand that peopleof certain ethnicities should
play those ethnicities, althoughthere are still controversy at
times when that doesn't happen.
And so that's like one facet ofthis conversation.
There's the facet of like, youknow, somebody playing,

(29:38):
portraying someone who is gay orsomebody who is trans and they,
they in their own lives are notgay or not trans, you know,
like, is that appropriate?
And then there's, that's anotherfacet of the conversation.
And then there's like this facetof the conversation.

SPEAKER_01 (29:51):
There's yeah.
There's so much to, to likeunpack with all that from like,
what does it mean for like arole or performance to be
authentic?
Right.
Tied to that individual'sidentity tied to like a larger
group.
Because

SPEAKER_03 (30:05):
you have actors who are like, I'm an actor.
I can do any– like that is whatI do.
But then also it takes awayopportunities from people who–
are legitimately a trans actoror a neurodivergent actor who
then don't have thoseopportunities where otherwise
they may not be able to play,quote, I'm doing the air quotes,

(30:28):
other types of roles.

SPEAKER_01 (30:29):
But then there's so much more to what we see on the
screen.
And we were talking about thatin terms of that opening scene,
like how much is going on in thebackground and all around people
actually like just...
Right.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (31:05):
I knew you were going to fit that in somewhere.
I

SPEAKER_01 (31:07):
mean, in all seriousness, it is kind of
brilliant how it like jokesabout all of this stuff that
we're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 (31:15):
Because it does kick off, so to speak, a whole flurry
of...
So like for male actors, itlike...
pivoted to a lot of male actorstaking on roles for individuals
who had some kind ofneurodivergent or cognitive or
intellectual disability.

(31:35):
I mean, we get Forrest Gump.
We get other...
Yeah.
Well...
Milk is music.

SPEAKER_01 (31:41):
No, no.
I'm Sam.

SPEAKER_03 (31:43):
I am Sam.

SPEAKER_01 (31:44):
Yeah, I knew that's what you meant.

SPEAKER_03 (31:46):
So we get that.
And then for women, it's alwayslike ugling them up, you know,
like how Charlize Theron.
Monster.
Yes, that's exactly the one Ithink everybody talks about.
So it's like respectively,that's like where a lot of these
categories go to.
But all I can say is this.
The best answer I can give isthat I think Absolute
consideration should be given toanyone who presumably could fill

(32:08):
this role who maybe I think andI think nowadays I think I'd
like to hope that people in theindustry are recognizing that
and and at least givingconsideration real consideration
to people who could potentiallyfulfill those roles who have
like a innate intimateconnection to a certain aspect
of the personality of thatcharacter or I shouldn't say

(32:29):
personality but like just thewho they are as a person.
I

SPEAKER_01 (32:32):
mean for this movie to be fair like.
in large part, the Rain Mancharacter is based off of Kim
Peek.
Okay.
So Hoffman met with him and hisdad.

SPEAKER_03 (32:44):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (32:45):
And tried to be as like authentic for that
character, even going so far asto like really going to battle
for the end of the movie wherethey wanted it to be that he, he
like stays with, with TomCruise, with Charlie and, And
he's like, that does not, itdoesn't really feel right for
this character.
Like that doesn't make anysense.

(33:06):
So it was something that theylike put effort into for sure to
try to be authentic to thatindividual.

SPEAKER_03 (33:13):
I don't know, Dustin Hoffman.
I did not do a deep dive.
But from what I– the sense I getfrom the entirety of his
filmography is that he takes hiscraft incredibly seriously to
the point where sometimes Ithink people have said he's like
a little bit of an asshole.
But he– I would–

SPEAKER_01 (33:29):
I mean I don't know him either, but I've heard that.

SPEAKER_03 (33:30):
Yeah.
And I think that like he, ifanything, gave the utmost
respect into– this performanceand was not pandering, was not
doing anything other than whathe felt was a truly authentic
and faithful depiction ofsomebody with this life.

SPEAKER_01 (33:50):
The real life individual, Kim Peek, he was
incredible.
He trained himself or he wasable to open up a book and
similar to, um, you know,Raymond's memorizing half of
the, half of the phone book

SPEAKER_03 (34:08):
up to G

SPEAKER_01 (34:08):
up to G the name that the last, the last name
that he, that he says for theG's his in-laws, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 (34:14):
Oh, fun.

SPEAKER_01 (34:16):
But the real life guy can, he could read both
pages.
Like he'd open a book and hisleft.
I would read the left pages,right?
I would read the right

SPEAKER_03 (34:24):
page.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:26):
And he would, he like went, he would go to a
library and just read everythingthat way.
And then he would keep it.

SPEAKER_03 (34:31):
Wow.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
I mean, it is absolutelyphenomenal what the brain is
capable of.
Like that's, that's astounding.
I don't even have words for how

SPEAKER_01 (34:43):
magnificent that is.
He was Google maps before Googlemaps was a thing because he
could give instantaneousdirections from any point to
another point on the world.

SPEAKER_03 (34:52):
That's phenomenal.
I mean, it's like the peoplewho, what's the proper term
where they just never forgetanything.

SPEAKER_01 (34:59):
Like photographic memory type thing?
Not

SPEAKER_03 (35:01):
photographic memory.
They literally don't forgetanything from their lives.

SPEAKER_01 (35:04):
Oh, I don't know.
Like I

SPEAKER_03 (35:05):
think Marilu Hunter from Taxi, I think she has that.
Like she just doesn't forgetanything.
She knows dates.
I'm

SPEAKER_01 (35:12):
totally cool for getting some stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (35:13):
She doesn't forget anything.
I'm pretty sure she has that.
Wow.
That capacity.
Anyway, Hoffman.
So obviously a storied career.
He is probably considered likean actor's actor.
I think he grew up with a methodacting.
You know, there's that likefunny story about him and

(35:35):
Laurence Olivier.

SPEAKER_01 (35:36):
Yeah, I thought that was him.
Yeah, I

SPEAKER_03 (35:37):
know.
We brought that up a couple oftimes and we'll get to that in
just a second.
But yeah, I mean, so many Oscarnominations as of now, two wins.
So this was actually the secondwin of his.
Let's go through inchronological order.
So I think a lot of people knowhe came on the map strong in
1967's The Graduate.

(36:01):
So that's when he gets– and allhis nominations are all Best
Actor.
So he gets his first nominationfor that.
And, I mean, this guy is knownfor being able to just do– he
takes crazy swings in the typeof characters that he portrays
because he, like, goes from TheGraduate to Midnight Cowboy.
So he gets another nominationfor that.
He does Straw Dogs.

(36:22):
He gets another nomination forLenny, Lenny Bruce.
He does All the President's Men,Marathon Man.
Again, so like, what was it?
He stayed up for a couple days.

SPEAKER_01 (36:32):
Yes.
He was like, he wanted to reallybe able to feel the sleep
deprivation.
And Olivier was like, you couldjust try acting or something
like that.
Right, right.
Which is interesting.
I wonder if he took that toheart because...
In the filming of Rain Man, whenthey were doing the Vegas stuff,
he would just disappear and gostart playing games.

(36:54):
So they eventually would havepeople keep eyes on him.

SPEAKER_03 (37:02):
That's funny.
He gets his first win for Kramervs.
Kramer.
And of course, I just bring thisfilm up all the time because I
love it.
He gets another nomination forTootsie.
I thought you were going to sayIshtar.
That's the very next film I wasgoing to bring up.
He is Hook in Hook.
That's

SPEAKER_01 (37:20):
right.
I forget about that.

SPEAKER_03 (37:21):
Yep, he does that.
He does Hero, Outbreak,Sleepers.
So he, yeah, I mean, I presumehe had like a good relationship
with Levinson because he's in acouple more of his movies.
He does get a Best Actornomination for Wag the Dog, so I
guess he was in that movie.
As mentioned, he does Sphere.

(37:42):
I heart Huckabees.
He's Stiller's dad, right?
In Meet the Fockers?

SPEAKER_01 (37:49):
Yes, I think so.
Because they're like kooky.

SPEAKER_03 (37:51):
Yeah, they're kooky.
And is Streisand the mom?

SPEAKER_01 (37:55):
I don't know.
Oh, my God.
They sound so different from theother parents.

SPEAKER_03 (37:57):
So he's in Meet the Fockers and Little Fockers.
He is in Mr.
Is it Major or Magor?

SPEAKER_01 (38:05):
Mr.
Magorium's Wonder Emporium.

SPEAKER_03 (38:07):
Thank you.
He is part of the franchiseknown as Kung Fu Panda.
Yeah.
So he's been in one, two, three,four and all the like offshoots
with like videos and.
Things like that.
And then more recently, I didn'trealize this, he's in Francis
Ford Coppola's Megalopolis.

SPEAKER_01 (38:24):
Yeah, that movie was just like a breakout hit.
I heard box office bonanza.

SPEAKER_03 (38:30):
Out of curiosity, I'd like to watch it.

SPEAKER_01 (38:33):
Yeah, it'll be on something.
It'll

SPEAKER_03 (38:36):
be on something.
Yeah.
Okay, moving on to Tom Cruise,who is Raymond's younger brother
that he didn't know he had,Charlie Babbitt.
So we've Brought up Cruise acouple times.

SPEAKER_01 (38:50):
At least twice that I can think of, and we'll
probably bring him up a couplemore times.

SPEAKER_03 (38:55):
Yeah, and there was even...
There were a couple movies whereI'm like, have we actually not
done this movie yet?
And I thought we had.
Maybe just you bring him up.
So, okay, Tom Cruise.
I mean, arguably still thebiggest star, movie star right
now.

SPEAKER_01 (39:11):
Complicated thoughts aside, he has been...
like one of the strongestadvocates for like this industry
and for, uh, seeing movies likea theater theater movie theater
experience.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like going to see top gunMaverick and having like a five
minute intro from him thankingeveryone and talking about the

(39:32):
process.
Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (39:34):
Yeah.
I'm glad we did see it in thetheater.
So, um, Yes, he is, I would say,hands down right now, the
biggest movie star.
And he supports, like you said,specifically the theater
experience.
Cinema.
Cinema.

SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
Peak cinema.

SPEAKER_03 (39:55):
And of course, being a movie star, I have no...
no TV work for him.
It's all, it's all films acrossthe board.
Well,

SPEAKER_01 (40:03):
that's a bit elitist, but okay.

SPEAKER_03 (40:06):
And, and yes, there are going to be several more
opportunities for us to bringhim up.
So

SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
maybe it's cause like he's on that one, that one
Oprah show in like just never TVever again.

SPEAKER_03 (40:17):
Yeah.
That yes, yes.
We, we all know what that'sabout with the jumping on the
couch and all of that.
Um, as far as his film workgoes, taps, um, The Outsiders,
I'm kind of surprised we haven'tdone that yet.
Well, there's a lot that I'mkind of surprised we haven't
done yet.
But he's in that.
Risky Business.

(40:37):
That's come

SPEAKER_01 (40:38):
up.
I get the sense that you're nota fan of that movie.

SPEAKER_03 (40:41):
I'm not.
I'm not a fan of that

SPEAKER_01 (40:44):
movie.
The music is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 (40:46):
But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't cover it.

SPEAKER_01 (40:48):
Yeah, I love the soundtrack to it.
It's super cool.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_03 (40:51):
no, it is.
A

SPEAKER_01 (40:52):
lot of synth, a lot of Tangerine Dream.

SPEAKER_03 (40:54):
Yes.
So, Risky Business, which...
That's probably his breakoutrole.
I

SPEAKER_01 (41:00):
think so.

SPEAKER_03 (41:01):
Because the first two are ensemble casts.
And this is like he headlinesrisky business.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (41:07):
It's his risky business.

SPEAKER_03 (41:09):
It is his risky business.
He does all the right moves,which I think would be actually
just kind of a funny one to doin a way.
So we've done Legend.

SPEAKER_01 (41:17):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (41:18):
So go check that one out.

SPEAKER_01 (41:20):
Fantasy movie where he fights the devil, basically,
and of course his character'sname is Jack.

SPEAKER_03 (41:28):
So we have also done Top Gun, of course.
So go check that one out.
That's a couple seasons ago.
We just mentioned that one ofthe few times, in my humble
opinion, that a sequel 30 to 40years later has actually worked
I'm looking at you,Ghostbusters.
Damn.

SPEAKER_01 (41:49):
But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (41:50):
And actually, I didn't remember, but Maverick
did get a Best Picturenomination.
And since he produced on it, hewas part of that nomination.

SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
Cool.

SPEAKER_03 (41:58):
So he does We Could Do This.
I mean...
All these Color Money, Cocktail.

SPEAKER_01 (42:03):
We've talked about these.
I mean, they will be upcoming.
Yeah, for

SPEAKER_03 (42:07):
sure.
Born on the 4th of July.
That

SPEAKER_01 (42:11):
is 89.
Yeah, that is a real downer of amovie, but it is a really good
movie.

SPEAKER_03 (42:17):
And I've never seen it.
But it is his first Best ActorOscar nomination.

SPEAKER_01 (42:23):
It's basically an alternate world of what would
happen to Lieutenant Dan inForrest Gump.

SPEAKER_03 (42:29):
That's the sense I get.

SPEAKER_01 (42:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What if it wasn't?

SPEAKER_03 (42:34):
Because he also becomes a paraplegic, correct?

SPEAKER_01 (42:36):
He does.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's like from a kidaspiring to be a soldier to...
Yeah, getting shot himself andkilling someone else through
friendly fire, just through amoment of confusion and how his
views change on war generally.

(42:56):
It's a really good movie, but itis a tough one to watch.

SPEAKER_03 (43:01):
I feel like, I don't know how it's aged.
I feel like when it was a newerfilm, people were saying, oh,
it's just him trying to get hisOscar love, which, okay, he did,
but it's still a legitimatelygood film.

SPEAKER_01 (43:15):
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think the message on what itmeans to be an actual patriot is
as relevant now as, as it wouldhave ever been then.

SPEAKER_03 (43:23):
That's fair.

SPEAKER_01 (43:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (43:24):
He does.
Okay.
So now we're getting into thenineties.
He has a very strong ninetiesdays of thunder.

SPEAKER_01 (43:32):
So his character's name again, Cole trickle there,
there was the actual race cardriver's name was Dick trickle.
Okay,

SPEAKER_03 (43:42):
I'm

SPEAKER_01 (43:43):
making a Cole Trickle.
That's a terrible

SPEAKER_03 (43:44):
name.

SPEAKER_01 (43:45):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (43:46):
Oh my

SPEAKER_01 (43:46):
God, is that a terrible name?
So Cole Trickle, actually abetter, better, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (43:51):
Way better.
Okay.
So he does that.
And that's where I think hemeets Nicole Kidman.
They do Far and Away together.
Another weird comfort film forus, if you can

SPEAKER_02 (44:03):
imagine.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (44:04):
That's on a lot.
The Firm.
I, I love, I love, I love, Iwish he would take bigger swings
like this again.
I think he is phenomenal inInterview with the Vampire.

SPEAKER_01 (44:15):
He is,

SPEAKER_03 (44:15):
yeah.
He's so good.
He makes that film.
I'm sorry, Brad Pitt, but youare a fucking downer of a
character.
And I mean, I think-

SPEAKER_01 (44:24):
Oh, I'm so sad.
Now I'm a vampire.
I'm even more sad.
He,

SPEAKER_03 (44:29):
Cruise, brings, ironically, so much life to that
character.
I see what you did there.
And fun and whimsy and- It'scrazy to me because Cruise is
obviously having so much fun inthat role.
Yeah.
Really chewing the scenery, asthey say, enjoying himself in

(44:51):
every scene.
And Brad Pitt is just thefucking wah-wah.
I don't remember the details.
I know Pitt did not want to bepart of the film, but
contractually he couldn't getout of it.
I'm just like, what the fuck'swrong with you, man?
Just like...
Anyway, it's like so clear.
It's so clear that he is justlike...

(45:11):
I mean, I know that Louis issupposed to be a very melancholy
character, but

SPEAKER_01 (45:16):
oh

SPEAKER_03 (45:17):
my God.

SPEAKER_01 (45:17):
I think he did his job.
He was the character that he wassupposed to be, so it's just
that...
I

SPEAKER_03 (45:24):
hate...
But like, okay, so spoileralert, but the film's 30 years
old at this point.
There comes a part of the filmwhere...
Louis and I forget her name, butKirsten Dunst think that they've
killed.
Yeah.
Killed Lestat.

SPEAKER_01 (45:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (45:41):
And so he's gone from like, I don't know if I'd
say the second half, but like agood chunk of the film.

SPEAKER_01 (45:48):
His return is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 (45:49):
His return is amazing.
But like all the time that he'sgone, I'm just like boring,
boring movie.
Don't care.
So he just makes the movie forme anyway.
Okay.
So here we go.
The huge franchise that is TomCruise, Mission Impossible.

SPEAKER_01 (46:04):
Oh, I thought you were going to say Eyes Wide
Shut.

SPEAKER_03 (46:07):
So I'm just calling it out now because
chronologically the first filmcomes out next.
So he– I mean he is thefranchise.
Like he's everything about thefilm.

SPEAKER_01 (46:19):
That first movie was incredible.
You could tell that it was– likethis is meant to be like– They
could have as many movies asthey want to, and they have.
Of course, then they had thesecond one.

SPEAKER_03 (46:35):
But that seems to be the only clunker.
It

SPEAKER_01 (46:36):
is.
They course-corrected real quickbecause that was such a
departure from everything thatmade the first one so good.
I

SPEAKER_03 (46:44):
mean, look, I don't follow the franchise that
closely, so I know I've seen thesecond one.
I don't really see anythingwhere I'm like, oh, this is so
bad in comparison.

SPEAKER_01 (46:54):
You know what?
I'm not sure...
But I feel like the reason why Iwas paying attention to the
beginning of Rain Man with themusical opening, the song, I
think it's the same song thatthey have in the beginning of
Mission Impossible 2 when he'srock climbing.

SPEAKER_03 (47:11):
I think you might be right.
Or is it in Cocktail?
Is it also in Cocktail?
Oh, my God.
Because I was thinking that too.
It's like.
I feel like this isn't the onlyTom Cruise movie with this song.
But that would be, in a weirdway, the funniest little wink.
Yeah, right?
So yes, Mission Impossible 2, 3,Ghost Protocol, Rogue Nation,

(47:33):
Fallout, Dead Reckoning Part 1,and this summer is Dead
Reckoning Part 2.
So, and I think it's opening atCannes, I want to say.

SPEAKER_01 (47:41):
And that's for sure the last one, right?
Because in all the trailers,it's like, I need you to trust
me one more time.
I

SPEAKER_03 (47:46):
think so.
I think, I would think thatCruise is actually astute enough
to be like, to know when to endsomething.
The

SPEAKER_01 (47:54):
first part of this- He's in his

SPEAKER_03 (47:56):
60s now.
I mean, he's

SPEAKER_01 (47:58):
in great shape, but- Like the first part of Dead
Reckoning, we also saw it in thetheater.
And in many ways, it wasn'teven- better theater cinema
experience than Maverick.

SPEAKER_03 (48:08):
Yeah, but it didn't perform well.
It

SPEAKER_01 (48:11):
didn't.
I don't know why.
I don't know

SPEAKER_03 (48:12):
either.
So he gets his next Best Actornomination for Jerry Maguire.
I don't know who won, but he diddo a good job in that role.
There's a lot of problematicstuff about that movie, but his
role was solid.
To your point, Eyes Wide Shut,which was the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 (48:29):
Got all weird.

SPEAKER_03 (48:30):
Got all weird.
And again, he swings big becausehe plays a very unlikable
character in Magnolia.
Even

SPEAKER_01 (48:37):
weirder.

SPEAKER_03 (48:38):
But he gets Best Supporting Actor nomination

SPEAKER_01 (48:40):
for it.
It rains frogs at one point inthat movie, I think.

SPEAKER_03 (48:43):
Yeah, it's an interesting movie.
As is Vanilla Sky.
We brought that up not too longago because of Cameron Crowe.
Minority Report.
He is phenomenal.
again in collateral

SPEAKER_02 (48:54):
oh yeah

SPEAKER_03 (48:55):
I feel like collateral well okay there's
like one little asterisk but Ifeel like collateral is the last
film where he really he reallywent for it in terms of kind of
kind of do

SPEAKER_01 (49:09):
Well, that's Grossman in Tropic Thunder.

SPEAKER_03 (49:10):
Well, that was my asterisk.
Okay.
That was my asterisk.

SPEAKER_01 (49:13):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (49:14):
So, yeah.
But he's great in that.
War of the Worlds.
Like you said, Tropic Thunder.
Very notable role.
I guess Rock of Ages, maybe.
Kind of.
He does The Mummy, whichunfortunately, you know...
I

SPEAKER_01 (49:29):
can't talk about that movie.

SPEAKER_03 (49:30):
Yeah.
I don't really feel too badbecause it's like that's...
Although...
You know, that was supposed tobe part of the universal new
monster.
That's why I can't talk aboutit.
Monsterverse.
And then, yeah.
And then he's been just likefocusing a lot on the films
we've already talked about,which were Maverick and then the
other Mission Impossible movies.

SPEAKER_01 (49:48):
Yeah.
I feel like Oblivion and Edge ofTomorrow both get a lot of like
positive reception, but Ihaven't.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I didn't

SPEAKER_03 (49:56):
even really bring that up.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Okay, moving on to...
We honestly...
Look, there's a lot of tinycharacters in the film, but
really, this is a very, verylimited cast, and I'm only
bringing up four actors becausethey hold the most weight of the
film.
So we've already burned throughtwo.

(50:18):
The next person, it's thecharacter of Susanna, played by
Valeria Colino.

SPEAKER_02 (50:22):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (50:23):
So you recognized her for more than...
more than I did.
And you were right about thefilms you called out.
Oh, really?
I really only know her from thismovie.

SPEAKER_01 (50:32):
Well, I mean, I recognized her from pretty
powerful, hard-hitting moviessuch as Hot Shots Part Deux and
Big Top Pee Wee.

SPEAKER_03 (50:42):
And I guess she was in Hot Shots.
Did you know her from the first

SPEAKER_01 (50:45):
movie?
Oh, I didn't.
No, I didn't realize that.
Was she in both?

SPEAKER_03 (50:48):
According to her filmography, she was.
Well, that

SPEAKER_01 (50:51):
never lies.

SPEAKER_03 (50:51):
But yeah, I really only know her from this, but she
is...
continuing to work i have allfilms for her so you already
mentioned a couple of them soshe is in big top peewee and she
also was in hot shots and hotshots part two um some of her
other film work immortal belovedleaving las vegas

SPEAKER_01 (51:11):
hilarious family comedy uh

SPEAKER_03 (51:16):
four rooms she's an escape from la huh I know you
don't like that film as much asEscape from New York, which we
did go check it out.
Never watched it.
You've never...
Okay, that was my question.

SPEAKER_01 (51:29):
Yeah, I've seen the basketball scene, which is
ridiculous.
It was just odd.
Oh, that's right.
So I tuned in and I'm like, Ican't.

SPEAKER_03 (51:35):
Yeah.
So it's really that much worse.

SPEAKER_01 (51:38):
I'm pretty sure he surfs a tsunami.

SPEAKER_03 (51:40):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (51:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (51:41):
Sure.

SPEAKER_01 (51:42):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (51:43):
So she's in Frida.
I put this one in.
Actually, it's kind of funny.
So she's in a movie called...
Anna, or maybe it's called Anna.
I don't know.
But she's in a movie calledAnna, and she's also in a movie
called Maria.
Okay.
Which is just kind of funnybecause it's my first and middle
name.

SPEAKER_01 (51:59):
If she's in a movie called Danky, then I'm going to
be like, what the?

SPEAKER_03 (52:07):
So, yeah.
She's in both of those.
And then also Portrait of a Ladyon Fire.
Okay.
Okay, so here's what's reallyinteresting.
Like I said, I did not listLevinson's acting credits, but
also what's really interestingabout this film is that Dr.
Bruner, so he is what I wouldsay is the final major character

(52:29):
in this film.
Yeah.
Yeah, he has some actingcredits, but he's really not an
actor.
He's a producer.
And so I'm not really surewhat...
was said for him to take what isi think a substantial role he's
really good i think he's greatyeah in this movie yes um but he

(52:49):
only has six acting credits so

SPEAKER_01 (52:54):
i mean i i recognize him i feel like i've seen him in
something oh

SPEAKER_03 (52:57):
he works with spielberg all the time

SPEAKER_01 (52:59):
okay

SPEAKER_03 (53:00):
um and then i guess a little bit of because uh he's
in days of thunder so anotherAnother Tom Cruise.
And that was Ron Howard, right?
So he's in Days of Thunder.
I don't remember who he is,though.
Do you remember who he is inJurassic Park?

SPEAKER_01 (53:15):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (53:16):
He must be like a scientist or something.
Somebody maybe early on in thefilm.
He's in Amistad.
And catch me if you can.
However, like I said, he's amajor producer.
And in fact, he's an Oscarwinner.
He won Best Picture forSchindler's List.
Okay.

UNKNOWN (53:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (53:31):
And I don't normally do this.
I mean, he was a co-producer onRain Man.
But yeah, I mean, that's kind ofwhat he does.
So some of his credits, notacting credits, I don't normally
do this where I...
shoot off credits for somethingthat the person was not involved
with although he was a produceron on Rayman um but he produced

(53:53):
on Days of Thunder he producedon Hook um he was a producer on
Jurassic Park like I saidSchindler's List Twister
Minority Report um yeah I meanhe's he's just like a big-time
producer so kind of interestinghuh

SPEAKER_01 (54:11):
that is yeah no I

SPEAKER_03 (54:12):
I

SPEAKER_01 (54:13):
I wouldn't have guessed that.
I thought he was like a reallyconvincing, good performance
doctor at this facility.
Yeah, he was great.

SPEAKER_03 (54:21):
I thought he nailed it.
So film synopsis.
What do we got?
After a selfish L.A.
yuppie learns his father left afortune to an autistic savant
brother in Ohio that he didn'tknow existed, he absconds.
with his brother and sets outacross the country, hoping to

(54:43):
gain a larger inheritance.

SPEAKER_01 (54:45):
Look, that might be one of the most accurate
synopses.

SPEAKER_03 (54:50):
Fancy words being used.

SPEAKER_01 (54:55):
Yes.
Yeah, no, that's a he is aselfish L.A., Is he, is he a
yuppie?
I don't know.
I

SPEAKER_03 (55:03):
clocked that too.

SPEAKER_01 (55:04):
Yeah.
I don't, I don't think he'ssuccessful enough.
I

SPEAKER_03 (55:06):
don't know if I'd call him a yuppie.

SPEAKER_01 (55:08):
Yeah.
He's barely professional.

SPEAKER_03 (55:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:10):
He seems almost like a scammy kind of guy, whatever
his business is.
He's like, there's, there's alot of time dedicated to me
learning about EPA licenserequirements for imported
Lamborghinis.

SPEAKER_03 (55:24):
Apparently.
Yeah.
And, and I think that maybe ifthe, if the film, uh, has any
weaknesses it's just like Idon't know it seems like he's
been doing this forever heobviously is a car aficionado
like he knows everything aboutcars so I'm like why is this
even a problem right now likewouldn't he have known that the

(55:45):
cars would have had to have gonethrough all this testing or
whatever it seems like a littlebit of a bump to me that this
was a problem in the film

SPEAKER_01 (55:52):
yeah they if they needed to show that he had like
an extensive knowledge aboutcars and somehow that dated back
to like the classic car that heends up inheriting when his
father passes.
Fair enough.
That's fine.
If you need to find like a wayto make him need money quick, it

(56:13):
feels like there could have beenlike a better

SPEAKER_03 (56:16):
way.
I mean, yeah, I feel like that'sme.
That's like the weak spot in thefilm

SPEAKER_01 (56:21):
because like the, the whole thing is that like, he
can't, he can't fly fast.
uh, Raymond back because he'sterrified of flying and he, he
won't, he would never be able toget him on a plane.
Interesting fact about that isthat if you watched rain man on
an airplane, they cut out thescene where he talks about all

(56:42):
the crashing.

SPEAKER_03 (56:42):
That's a very smart move.

SPEAKER_01 (56:44):
Very, very smart move.
I don't know why they didn'tthink of a train.
Like at the end when they take atrain back, I'm like, Oh yeah,
that, that would have worked.

SPEAKER_03 (56:52):
I mean, no, you brought up a really good point
when we were watching that.
I mean, I guess it makes senseto me with, um, with Charlie
being a car guy that he wouldjust be like, fine, we'll just
take the car.
Although I don't think that car,I said that too.
I was like, I don't think thatcar would have made it across
country.
I

SPEAKER_01 (57:06):
mean, it would have.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It would have needed some work.
And also it seemed like theywere on

SPEAKER_03 (57:11):
the road a long time.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (57:14):
In a way that, like, I've not, not from coast to
coast, but I've made almost asimilar trajectory, Chicago to
L.A.

SPEAKER_01 (57:22):
He said three days.
He said it was going to takethree days.
It

SPEAKER_03 (57:24):
seemed like that was way more than three days of them
being on the road.

SPEAKER_01 (57:26):
Maybe, again, because, like, he had to take
side trips.
Yes.
Side roads.
He wasn't taking major highways.

SPEAKER_03 (57:33):
But then he's like, at the end, when they are
meeting with the court-appointedpsychiatrist, he says something
like, a week ago, I didn't knowI had a brother.
So I don't know if that's just aturn of phrase.
But I'm just like, how much timehas passed in this movie?
I couldn't really get a sense,

SPEAKER_01 (57:49):
to be honest.
His whole business, though, thereason I was bringing that up is
because there was this...
relating to him being able topay off the loans so that the
cars wouldn't be repossessed.
None of that, his whole businesswas gone.
The cars got taken back.

SPEAKER_03 (58:07):
Yeah, it was kind of interesting because at the end
that just kind of went away.

SPEAKER_01 (58:10):
I don't know what he's going to do because that's
all done.
He got enough money.
They made a point of...
showing us that all the cardcounting blackjack money was
enough to like get him even.
Yeah.
So whatever he does, he's likestarting fresh, I guess.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (58:24):
And he obviously has enough like just cash on him
because even once his creditcard started getting declined,
he was just paying in cash.
Yeah.
for hotel rooms and what haveyou.
He drops a couple hundreddollars on like that little
portable TV for it.
So it's not like he's hurtingfor money in an everyday kind of
sense.

SPEAKER_02 (58:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (58:44):
But so, yeah, so that I know you can't cover a
little thing in a movie, but butthose were some questions that I
had.

SPEAKER_01 (58:52):
Those were so, so minor compared to like what they
were trying to.
Yeah, sure.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (58:57):
And just in case anybody doesn't know, because I
don't think I knew the properdefinition abscond just means to
Leave hurriedly and secretly.
Yeah.
Well, I don't use abscond ineveryday language.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Every

SPEAKER_01 (59:11):
morning, Winston absconds with a little chew.

SPEAKER_03 (59:16):
That's true.
That's true.
He does.
We have never once in our livestaken a treat away from our dog
after we have given it to him.
But especially with those chews,he

SPEAKER_01 (59:25):
runs away like we're about to...
If no one knew who Winston waswhen I said that, thank you
for...
for elaborating.

SPEAKER_03 (59:32):
He always thinks we're about to take...
Never, never once have we everdone that.
Nope.
We'd never do

SPEAKER_02 (59:38):
that.

SPEAKER_03 (59:38):
Anyway, I will say the one thing I wanted to bring
up, because we're coming to aclose on this one, is this whole
sticking point, which I think isvalid, of Charlie being upset
that nobody ever told him he hada brother.
I think it's extremely...
It's valid.
It's valid that he'd be reallyupset about that.

(59:58):
Um...
It's very strange to me that–because what– look, he was about
two years old when his motherdied.
So I understand he doesn't haveany memory of her.
Probably doesn't– he barely has–he thinks Raymond was an
imaginary friend.
So that's as much as he recallsof Raymond.
Raymond was sent to Walbrookmaybe two weeks after the mom

(01:00:22):
died because I think the momdied.
I think they said like January5th and he was sent away like
January 21st or something.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:27):
After the– After the tub incident.
Yeah, which they're

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:33):
a little vague about.
It does seem like there was somekind of incident where Charlie
maybe would have gotten hurt andthey thought that Raymond had a
part to play in that.
But so he gets sent away.
But I'm like, you're telling mebecause then Charlie says that
once he did the joyriding in hisdad's car and he left him in
jail for a couple of days, hewas only 16 years old and then
he took off.
There were 14 years where.

(01:00:55):
Not once it was mentioned thathe had a brother that Charlie
never noticed that at some pointhis father was going off to
visit his brother.
Like, it seems that nobody elsein the family, maybe, maybe, I
don't know.
I don't know for that time inhistory.
I know a lot of things are keptsecretive and maybe there's
shame or whatever around that.

(01:01:16):
But it just seemed very strangeto me that he had no idea and
nobody ever thought to sayanything to him.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:22):
So that kind of reminds me of like something
that I read when I was lookingup the movie.
Michael Caine has talked abouthow much he enjoyed Tom Cruise's
performance in this movie.
That's one of his favorites.
After Caine himself found outlater in his adult life that he
had a brother that he had neverbeen told about who had lived

(01:01:45):
most of his life in Caine HillMental Hospital with a
debilitating epilepsy diagnosis.
So I guess it could happen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause it did.
Yeah.
But it seems, it seems likesomething when you're watching
it like that, how could thatactually, it

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:03):
just is wild.
These family secrets that like,I mean, and look, maybe the most
notorious, although it wasn't asecret per se in that her
existence wasn't known of, butlike Rosemary Kennedy,

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:12):
you

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:13):
know, where she, I'm not sure the, the, the nuance of
like her, her, cognitive ormental challenges, but then
obviously like famously thefamily got her a lobotomy and
she was just put away for therest of her life.
And, you know, so I do knowthings like that happen.
I know that like, there's oftenlike shame tied around that

(01:02:35):
embarrassment.
Um, especially,

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:38):
especially that I feel like there are hopefully, I
don't know anymore, butdifferent perceptions,
different, um, Reactions orlevels of understanding for
people that that face thosecircumstances

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:53):
and maybe I'm just having a hard time you know now
that we're watching the moviethrough a 2025 lens I'm like how
could you not tell your kid thatthey had a sibling but maybe
even as far back as 88.
It wasn't as unheard of.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:06):
Yeah.
But...
There's still...
I mean, like, there's so many...
Look, there are a lot of reallyinappropriate interactions in
this movie, just in, like,language that's used and
derogatory terms.
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:18):
absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:19):
And saying things like, what's wrong with him?
And, you know...

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:22):
Yeah, I mean...
Yeah, that's something that weshould have brought up when we
were talking about Cruise.
I mean, he is a capital Aasshole at the beginning of this
movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:32):
They go real hard to show what an absolute piece of
shit he is.
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:38):
And how he has absolutely no understanding.
I mean, that's one thing thatI...
Okay, so the other side of thatis that I...
Loved to see a facility whereRaymond and everybody else who
was housed there were treatedwith respect and kindness and
compassion and interest andlove.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:53):
That

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:54):
was amazing to see because I think that, like,
legitimately so, you hear a lotof horror stories about
facilities like that.
So it was nice to see that,especially between Dr.
Bruner and then Vern.
who, you know, seemed to be...
At first was Raymond's main man,but I think by the end, Charlie
was Raymond's main man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:15):
He was his main man,

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:16):
yeah.
You know, they seemed to verymuch care for Raymond.
And even though Dr.
Bruner, in some ways, I feltwas, like, a touch cold because
it's like, yeah, how couldyou...
Like, if at the point Charliecomes to the facility and you're
still holding back on the truththat he has a brother that lives
there, eh, I don't know aboutthat, you know?

(01:04:36):
But

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:36):
he wasn't there.
He didn't show up therebecause...
he he was trying to get themoney back he didn't

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:43):
but maybe just maybe if you would say well hey the
reason why i was entrusted withthe money is because you have a
brother yeah who has been livinghere for the last 20 years yeah
i mean just say that up frontwhy do you got to hide that i
know he had every right to iguess legally but it was a
little weird to me and i meancharlie at least calls it like

(01:05:05):
it is and says i'm pissed at mydad i'm pissed that like nobody
told me i had a brother so i'mtrying to hurt him you know like
he does say exactly why he'sdoing what he's doing

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:13):
it's

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:14):
not right um and you're you're absolutely correct
that like for a good maybe eventwo-thirds of the film he treats
raymond in a despicable way Youknow, with no regard for his
well-being.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:28):
Even at the end when you can tell that he has made
that connection that they talkabout and he cares for him and
he's glad that he has this bigbrother, he's still not equipped
to deal with Raymond on a dailybasis.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:43):
No.
What I wish, which maybe thiswould have just been too much of
a, like, movie...
happy ending is that he couldhave been placed in facility
just closer.
Yeah.
To Charlie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:54):
Yeah.
I mean, he's comfortable withthe place that he was in.
Yes.
Financial issues aren't aproblem.
And when I, like, I shouldn'thave said like, he's not
equipped to deal with him.
He's not equipped to give himthe care that he needs.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:04):
Yeah.
But I mean, that's going to be areally hard, I think
circumstance for, you know,unless Charlie decides he's not
going to stay in LA.
Yeah.
To, to be making any kind oflike regular, uh, commute and
connection with Raymond betweenCincinnati and LA.
So, you know, I guess maybethat's also a realism about, I

(01:06:24):
don't know, but it's justinteresting.
I'm glad that they didn't dolike a ending that you alluded
to where they were maybethinking about having Raymond
stay with Charlie because Ithink you're absolutely right.
Charlie just does not have the,the really, the very real skills
and consideration and trainingto, to, be able to give Raymond

(01:06:45):
the life he should have

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:47):
like he has the care by the end and his attitude has
changed but he lacks the timeand the resources yes

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:53):
yeah because it's very clear Raymond can't be
alone

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:55):
yeah

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:56):
so in any case that's Raymond so I mean so
given that this is the firsttime that you've seen it in its
entirety would you watch itagain

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:08):
I probably would.
Yeah.
I mean, there are parts whereit's just like uncomfortable,
but having seen the whole thingand knowing what the resolution
is, I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:18):
It had been a while since I had seen it, and I'm
glad I got to see it againbecause I wasn't really sure how
I felt about it.
I did remember liking it.
I wasn't sure how it's aged.

UNKNOWN (01:07:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:33):
I mean, we've gone through all that.
I'm glad I saw it again.
I don't think I need to see itagain anytime soon.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:38):
I mean, I was...
Full disclosure, I was realtired last night when we started
watching this movie.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:44):
But you stayed with it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:45):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was completely, like, wrappedup in it, wanted to see what was
going to happen.
So it...
I really liked it.
But you're right.
Do I need to see it againimmediately?
Probably not.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:58):
I mean, I think...
Because I noticed that.
I knew you were tired.
And I was like, oh, I wonder ifhe's going to fall asleep.
But I think it's because of thestrength of the performances.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, Call to Action...
I'm not really sure where tostart with the call to action.
I mean, the truth is that Iwould just like to open up the

(01:08:19):
conversation and see what otherpeople think about, like, how do
they feel the film holds up?
Do they feel like it's arespectful portrayal?
I mean, I mentioned this off micthat like, okay, so at the time,
I think it was in a waygroundbreaking that a film about
somebody with autism was made in1988.
Yeah.
So there's that.

(01:08:40):
However, given the characterthat Raymond was from what I
read, it unfortunately sparkedkind of a misunderstanding of
what it means to be somebodywith autism.
They call it a spectrum becausethere are just so many different
ways that it presents itself.
And Raymond is probably– I saythis with so much ignorance on

(01:09:01):
the subject, but I think he isnot a– a reliable like example
of what, like not, not everybodycan immediately count 246
toothpicks on the floor, youknow,

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:15):
like.
No, the, and the, the individualKim Peek that he based that
character off of had exceptionalabilities.
Yes.
And that's not.
And so if the expectation isthat for anyone who may be like
on that spectrum is going tohave similar abilities, that's,
like really unfair and ignoresall of the other like real

(01:09:38):
idiosyncrasies associated withthat individual.
Like, like you would have tothink about for any person.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:43):
Right.
And I think there's maybe kindof a throwaway line in the film
where somebody says, you know,he is exceptional.
A lot of people with autism aremaybe nonverbal or like, I think
that's said at some point.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:57):
I think the doctor, maybe when, when he stops in a
town to, because he's justfrustrated.
Cause he, I think he thinks thathe's just going to like medicate
his behaviors away or something.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:11):
I think that was the intent.
And the guy's like, I'm not apsychiatrist.
And they're like, what do youwant me to do?

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:15):
I mean, I don't know how many people would have
picked up on that line, but Ithink that at, I guess at least
it was said, but, but again, Ithink that is that that's it is
that I would just like to knowhow people feel about the
portrayal of this, thisparticular character.
And if it was helpful, hurtful,Just kind of curious.

(01:10:35):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:36):
it's a good one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:36):
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Sneak peek.
I got

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:53):
nothing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:54):
Uh, I have like this one clue I have, but I feel like
it's just like so easy toimmediately give it away.
Perfect.
That's

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:00):
exactly the kind of clue that I'm looking

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:02):
for.
Um, okay.
The clue that I can give is thatwe very recently did fast times
at Richmond high.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:11):
That's a clue.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:12):
And I mentioned that one of the actors has a very,
very minor role in this film.
So minor that I don't even knowif we'll bring them up when we
talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:20):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:21):
Wait, but I'm bringing it up now.
What?

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:25):
Okay, I'm just going to guess here.
If that was the clue that makesit super obvious.
I

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:32):
don't know if it

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:33):
makes it super

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:33):
obvious.
No, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:34):
Okay, okay.
Are we going to cover ValleyGirl?

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:38):
No, but that would have been a really good guess.
Right?
And I still desperately need toget to that movie.
I was thinking Judge Reinhold.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:47):
Oh, okay.
Because I was thinking of...

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:50):
Nicolas

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:51):
Cage.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who's like in it, but doesn't doa ton.
Judge Reinhold in somethingelse, but he doesn't do a whole
lot.
We've already done Beverly HillsCop.
I don't think we're doingRuthless People.
Nope.
So I got, that's all I got.
In

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:04):
preceding, just by a year, I think.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:09):
Nope.
Harold

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:09):
Ramis.
What?

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:13):
He's not...
No, nothing.
Now we're going to have to- NowI'm going to have

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:19):
to just tell you the clue.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:21):
Tell you the obvious clue.
Yeah.
Oh, wait.
I still haven't gotten theobvious clue?
No.
Please, give me the obviousclue.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:27):
Lighten up, Francis.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:29):
Oh, stripes.
Okay.
And if you're still listening,sincerely, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:40):
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And in the meantime, just thankyou to everybody who is still
listening.
And we appreciate the timebecause there's just the
business of life and then themaybe millions, I don't know, a
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So thank you for taking the timeto listen to ours.

(01:13:00):
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