Valley Girl

In this episode, Anna and Derek chat about grand gestures of movie love, Mrs. Robinson vibes, and much more during their discussion of Martha Coolidge's Valley Girl (1983).

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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.

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Episode Transcript

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And it's in the valley.
What?
The party's in the valley.

SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
I don't want to go to the valley.
Trust me.
I don't want to go to thevalley.
Trust me.
I'm not in the mood to go to thevalley.

SPEAKER_02 (00:25):
Hello and welcome to 80s Movie Montage.
This is Derek.

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This is Anna.

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And that was Cameron Dye as Fred talking to his buddy
Randy, played by Nicolas Cage,in 1983's Valley Girl.

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What's wrong with the valley?
I

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don't know.
Not in the mood.
I don't want to go to thevalley.
I

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feel like sometimes that is how our friends feel
about coming to see us.

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Spoilers.
We

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live in the valley.
it I like living in the valley Idon't think I talk like a valley
girl but I guess I am a valleygirl

SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
it's really no you don't it's really interesting
how like the 80s have like kindof portrayed the valley they
kind of go back and forth justto create some like weird
dichotomy or dichotomy.
I

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like that.
Yeah.
You just created a new word.
Yeah.

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Because like in Karate Kid, it's a whole thing.
But

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that continued into Cobra Kai.
I mean, it's hilarious.
Yeah.
We're like, oh, he's fromReseda.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27):
Yeah.
But I mean, where Randy lives inHollywood, it's just over the
hill.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
It's just over the hill.
And I'm not sure why Hollywoodhas a one up on the valley.
I've Maybe not on the record,but I've made my thoughts very
clear about how I feel aboutHollywood.
Yeah, every...
Hollywood is trash, by the

SPEAKER_02 (01:48):
way.
Exactly.
It's not that the Valley is likethis weird oddity.
It's just, you know...
Bunch of suburbs and somecity-ish areas.
And then there's SouthernCalifornia generally and L.A.
and Orange County.
And then Hollywood is just kindof like...
Its own crazy thing.

(02:08):
Do you want something that'salmost as crazy as Venice Beach
but without the ocean?
Visit Hollywood!

SPEAKER_01 (02:15):
Yeah.
So, Valley Girl.

SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
Yeah.

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Let's dive in.

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Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 (02:20):
I have, and I mentioned this at the tail end
of the last episode...
I have brought up this movie somany times that I had a false
memory that maybe we had alreadydone it.
So I had to make sure thatwasn't the case.
All to say, I'm so happy thatwe're finally covering this
movie.
Like everything else we coverhas its faults, but I do love

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this movie.

SPEAKER_02 (02:42):
Yeah, it does.
But it's an oddly wholesomemovie.

SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_02 (02:49):
Yeah.
In some ways, maybe like alittle overly simplistic,
particularly at the end.
But yeah, it's really just likea teenage high school-ish.
I don't know their ages becausethey're in high school, but
they're drinking.
I

SPEAKER_01 (03:02):
don't know.
I think the sense that becausethere's a couple indicators that
Julie and her friends at least,maybe Randy and Fred are Maybe
they're seniors.
I don't know.
But I think Julie and her creware probably sophomores because
they're all learning to gettheir driver's license, which
you'd be about 15, 16 years old.

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And then also they're going tojunior prom.

SPEAKER_02 (03:26):
Yeah.
A lot of issues then with thenudity in the film, I guess, but
whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (03:32):
We'll get to that.
So 1983, like you mentioned, andwe have two writers for this
one.
They did collaborate on a coupleother projects, but I don't
think that they were necessarilywriting partners.
So the first person, AndrewLane, for both of these
gentlemen, I have filmed some ofhis other credits include

(03:54):
Tomcats, Lonely Hearts, BadGirls from Valley High.
Oh,

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really?
It wasn't a sequel?
There was no...
What

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is it?
What's the word I'm looking for?
Not undocumented, but like...
A spiritual sequel.
Yeah.
A

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spiritual sequel.

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I don't know.
South of Hell.
And then because...
Oh,

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that's Tucson, just in case.
Yeah.

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Because there was a remake

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of this

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film.

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We watched...
We didn't even watch all thetrailer.

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No, it was that bad.

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Yeah.

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From 2020, there's another Valley Girl.
And so Andrew Lane and his...
writing partner on this one bothhave credits because of

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it i think it was the um the person from happy
death day who i thought

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was great too i think that was her

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yeah she was great in that

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i mean i think that might be the first time we just
switched it off a trailerbecause it

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parts of it looked like great it it gave me like
mean girl remake musical vibesfrom the trailer

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yeah i just

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i

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Very rarely do I feel like something needs to get
a remake, reboot, whatever.
What about

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Poltergeist?

SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
Yeah, I mean, we actually haven't brought that
one up in a while.
I know, I know.
I'm

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glad I was able to.
So

SPEAKER_01 (05:15):
the other writer on this one, Wayne Crawford, he has
passed.
He passed in 2016.
He also, so he collaborated withLane again on the film Tomcats.
He wrote the film Barracuda.

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Not the song.

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Not the song.
Actually, I have one TV creditfor him.
A TV series called Okavango?

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Sure.

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Colon The Wild Frontier.
I

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wasn't ready for the colon.

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Okavango is probably enough.
Snake Island.
And then as mentioned, he has acredit as well for the 2020
Valley Girl.
Just for like the

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story.

SPEAKER_01 (05:55):
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Again, we did not give it muchdue diligence, but I don't know
if it's like the AliciaSilverstone character, if like
that is Julie and her youngercounterpart.

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Yeah, that's what it looked like was that she was...
Like talking through her days inthe 80s

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as

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a Wild Valley girl.

SPEAKER_01 (06:21):
Okay, moving on to the director who we have brought
up before, but we haven'tbrought her up since season one.
Oh, shit.
Martha Coolidge.
Okay.
Love having a female director totalk about.
The first time we brought her upwas all the way back when we

(06:41):
covered Real Genius.
That's

SPEAKER_02 (06:43):
wild.
And it's also wild that youidentified another Real Genius
connection.

SPEAKER_01 (06:48):
She was almost...
I mean, it was crazy that I justdidn't clock her until I mean,
I've seen this movie a milliontimes and I did not clock that
the character who plays or thecharacter of Susie.

SPEAKER_02 (07:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
The actress who plays her is Jordan from Real
Genius.
And

SPEAKER_02 (07:07):
she has like a different look in Real Genius,
but it's also just like howfucking manic her character is.
And she's not that in ValleyGirl.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bravo.
Bravo! Well done.
Yeah, we'll

SPEAKER_01 (07:22):
go over specifically her filmography in a minute.
But Coolidge, you know, onething I was thinking about last
night when we were watching thisfor the podcast specifically,
it's so interesting to me.
I mean, look, I just made kindof a fuss about the fact that,
like, we finally get to cover afemale director again.
We don't get to do that a lot.
So...

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Yes.
And...

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they both have remainedsignificant in film history,
just in general, but alsospecifically for like the teen
genre.
And I just find it reallyfascinating that both were
directed by women.

SPEAKER_02 (08:25):
That is interesting.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (08:26):
That's a good

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point.

SPEAKER_01 (08:28):
Anyway, but Coolidge, I mean, she is still
very much working to this day.
It's, you know, between thisfilm and Real Genius, I do think
those are both I mean, thismovie in particular, though,

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Valley Girl had a

SPEAKER_02 (09:02):
pretty...
small budget and did very welland i'm there's like very little
doubt in my mind that that'swhat led to real genius just a
couple years later like yeah

SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
but then you know i kind of just wish she look she
has been busy so i'm not sayingthat her career by any means
like fell off a cliff i justwish she maybe had had more
opportunity to do other biggermainstream films but That aside,
let's go through her filmographybecause it has been a while.

(09:34):
So she had a film.
I think the only reason I readthat, I think the only reason
why it got released is becauseValley Girl performed so well.
It's a different film called TheCity Girl.
Okay.
So there's that.
She did Joy of Sex.
As mentioned, real genius.
Go check that episode out.
Although that is so early in ourpodcast.

SPEAKER_02 (09:53):
Yeah.
I don't

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know.
If you want to.
It's probably a little rougharound the edges.
Who knows?

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Which is saying something because...
I don't know if it's the mostpolished under the best of
circumstances.
Don't

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put ourselves down.

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We do our best.

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She directed a couple episodes of the TV series
The Twilight Zone.
She did do a number of othermainstream films.
She directed Rambling Rose, Lostin Yonkers, Angie.
That's the one with Geena Davisin the leading role, I believe.
Out to Sea.
But then...
A little bit later in hercareer, she has pivoted much

(10:31):
more towards television.
So I put this down.
It is a TV movie.
I don't usually list them, but Iremember this being a pretty big
deal for Holly Berry in terms ofmoving her career forward.
Coolidge directed IntroducingDorothy Dandridge.
And then she also has directed anumber of episodes for The These

(10:54):
shows always have suchredundancies.
CSI colon crime sceneinvestigation.
So it's just like you're sayingCSI, CSI.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (11:01):
there are a lot of...
We fucking get it.
There's a lot of divisionswithin CSI.
She also directed...

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But CSI is just the acronym for crime scene
investigation.

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Yeah.

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It's

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all the same.
But it's a guy that comes intothat office, but then he goes
into the annex and he has a veryspecific job.

SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
Okay.
So she also directed I'll FindYou.
And she also, again, over thecourse of her career, she's done
a lot more TV work, butdirectors and television don't
often stay with the show.
There's a lot of like rotation.

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of different directors.
So there's a lot of one-offs andtwo-offs that she's done over
the course of her career.

SPEAKER_02 (11:45):
Including one episode of that hilarious cop
comedy from the 80s where theguy basically just fetishized
his pistol sledgehammer.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, that show was insane.
I think it had a cliffhanger,maybe the series cliffhanger,
involving a nuclear bombexploding in Los Angeles.

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It was hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
Wow, okay.
Moving on to cinematography, wehave not yet brought this
gentleman up.
Holy

SPEAKER_02 (12:14):
cow.

SPEAKER_01 (12:16):
Oh, the fact that we have a movie?
Yeah.
Frederick Elms.
So there are other opportunitiesfor us to talk about him in the
future, but...
Yeah, he was the DP on this, andhe has had a great career, a lot
of big names and clearly somecollaborations.

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So specifically with DavidLynch, he shot Eraserhead.
I'm going to kind of bouncearound between other films, but
he also– was the DP on BlueVelvet.
He also was the DP on Wild atHeart.
So all Lynch films.
He also shot River's Edge.

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I feel like we've brought upthis title before, Alan
Quartermain in The Lost City ofGold.

SPEAKER_02 (13:06):
We have.
Yeah, that's...
That's okay.
That one's, you know, therewere...
Oh, you've seen it.
I have seen, like, there are allthese movies that were kind of
trying to be

SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
like...
Indiana Jones?
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (13:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (13:18):
That's what it kind of feels like.

SPEAKER_02 (13:19):
Just the name.

SPEAKER_01 (13:20):
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I don't think IndianaJones is quite...
Or Alan Quartermain isn't quiteas catchy as Indiana Jones.

SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
No, it's like a Best Value or Kirkland version of the
title.
Where it's like, we're going tohave a title and we're going to
have a thing.
So Indiana Jones and Raiders ofthe...
Or Alan Quartermain and thisother cool thing.

SPEAKER_01 (13:43):
Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
So Elms, he also shot Night onEarth, The Ice Storm, Hulk.

SPEAKER_02 (13:51):
Which one?
The one with

SPEAKER_01 (13:53):
Banna?
Yes.
Probably.
Probably.

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Yeah,

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probably.
Whichever one's just calledHulk.
Kinsey, Broken Flowers.
Okay, I always have to preparemyself to say the title of this
movie.
Synecdoche.
I did it.
I did it.
You're laughing over it.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (14:12):
Do it again.

SPEAKER_01 (14:13):
Synecdoche,

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New York.
Amazing.
Is that a real place?

SPEAKER_01 (14:18):
Yeah.
He has done some TV work.
He shot the miniseries OliveKittredge.
We've brought this up before.
Unfortunately, it's not a filmthat I will speak on your
behalf.
I don't think either one of usreally took to this film, The
Dead Don't Die.
It

SPEAKER_02 (14:36):
was not an overall good movie, but it looked good.
So well done.

SPEAKER_01 (14:41):
Great cast and honestly, great director.
Jarmusch is obviously afantastic director, but just
didn't.
Didn't take to that film.

SPEAKER_02 (14:49):
It felt like, what if Wes Anderson made a zombie
movie?
Yeah.
Style-wise.

SPEAKER_01 (14:54):
And then lastly so far, I Know Catherine, The Log
Lady.
Oh, okay.
Crazy title.
Okay, music.
So we have two people to talkabout for the composing credit.
The first person, MarkLeventhal, just for composing

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credits.
Okay.
Neither one of these guys has anextensive filmography.
All right.
So for Leventhal, he alsocomposed on that other Coolidge
film, The City Girl.
And then I have a short for him,Clown Town.
So that's about it.
All right.
And then the other gentleman,Scott Wilk.

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So, again, I don't think thatthey were really what you can
consider composing characters.
partners but he too composed onthe city girl and then a couple
of his other credits a filmcalled plain clothes a tv series
called duck man colon privatedick backslash family man yeah

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duck man was amazing you know it i know of it

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okay and then a film called the mix

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okay

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that's it That's all I got for those guys.

SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
I mean, most of the music was just like it's one of
those movies where there's moreof a soundtrack than

SPEAKER_01 (16:14):
it is.
Yeah, it's very much.
And honestly, some like prettywell-known songs.

SPEAKER_02 (16:18):
So, yeah, there is like a fun fact that for as much
as it was about like Fred andRandy being these like punk
rockers, there really wasn't awhole lot of like, so

SPEAKER_01 (16:29):
to speak.
No, like new age.
Yes.

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I mean,

SPEAKER_01 (16:33):
I find that and I was thinking about that last
night, too, when we werewatching the film.
just the incredible soundtrackfor this film and I think in
some circles John Hughes gets alot of credit for bringing
popular mainstream music intothis decade of filmmaking and
specifically the genre of teenfilms but clearly he wasn't the

(16:55):
person who you know originatedthis because this film precedes
any of his teen films yeah fasttimes also has an incredible
soundtrack also precedes any ofthe john hughes teen films so as
much as i love him he's notreally the person to say oh
because of what he did maybe henormalized it a little bit more

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but this was happening beforehim

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fair

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anyway

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yeah okay after hours had more punk in it

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Yeah, it did.
Just with

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the inclusion of bad brains.
That

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was awesome.
Okay, film editing, Eva Gardos.
And she has a couple goodcredits.
I have all films for her.
Under the Cherry Moon.
Barfly.

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Okay.

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I don't think we'll ever cover that

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one.
Probably not.

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Hear No Evil.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (17:43):
is that the one with Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor?
Yes.
No, that's See No Evil, Hear NoEvil.
Hear No Evil, just Hear No Evil,totally different movie.

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Isn't that crazy?

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Yeah.

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I thought that the other one had a longer title.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (17:57):
The Informant, Agnes Brown, and I just like the name
of this title.
Whatever Happened to Timmy?
Nobody knows.
Nobody knows.
Okay, we're at the stars of thisfilm, and we are going to start
with...
for the first time billed asNicolas Cage.
That's right, yeah.
Randy.

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Which is funny, because heactually was in Fast Times at
Ridgemont High.
And in that film, he was NicolasCoppola.
So...
He didn't have as

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much to do.
He wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 (18:28):
No.
And I think he got some scenescut.

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Yeah.

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So I don't even know.
Does he have a speaking line inthat film?
I don't

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remember.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (18:35):
We brought him up a lot.
We sure have.
We have.
I mean, most recently, I think Ijust called out the cameo in
Fast Times.
Yeah.
But he's come up a lot on thispodcast.
Peggy Sue got married.
Yeah.
I mean, the films that we'vealready covered with him.
The first was probably RaisingArizona.
Yeah,

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I think so.

SPEAKER_01 (18:54):
Then Moonstruck.
And then.
I think the first episode oflast season was Peggy Sue Got
Married.
So, yeah.
And I guess potentially there'smaybe a couple more films, but I
don't know if we'd get to themanytime soon.
Because after Fast Times, he didRumble Fish, Cotton Club.
We just mentioned the ones thatwe did.
It's 1, 2, 3.

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Peggy Sue Got Married, RaisingArizona, Moonstruck.
And that really was, I think,that solidified him.
You know, he had...

SPEAKER_02 (19:23):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (19:24):
a couple hits right in a row, especially Raising
Arizona and Moonstruck.
And then, you know, he's off tothe races.
So he does Honeymoon in Vegas,Guardian Tess.
He is an Oscar winning actor.
He won off of his firstnomination.
It was Best Actor for LeavingLas Vegas.

SPEAKER_02 (19:45):
Is that the sequel to Honeymoon in Vegas?
That

SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
is kind of funny.
Absolutely not.
It's a super...
I've seen it.
It's like one of those filmswhere I'm like, okay, good film,
never going to see it again.
It's super depressing.
And then Elizabeth Shue got anomination off of it, but she
didn't win.
And then he starts doing a tonof...
It's like he got his Oscar.
I mean, look...

(20:10):
You do you, Nicolas Cage.
But he gets his Oscar, and thenhe's like, I'm going to go for
these blockbusters.
So all of a sudden, he's doingThe Rock, Con Air, Face Off,
Gone in 60 Seconds.
So he does all of these films.
He has a lot of range.
I do like The Family Man.
I actually like a lot of theones that are all The Man.
The Family Man, The Weather Man,The Wicker Man.

SPEAKER_02 (20:32):
I don't know about The Wicker Man, but The Family
Man is actually...
Family Mountain's really good.
I just saw that for the firsttime last year, I think.

SPEAKER_01 (20:40):
He gets another nomination.
He is absurdly good inadaptation.
I don't know who won that year.
I'm sure it was deserved.
I mean, he's playing twocharacters in the film, and he
is insanely good in that movie.
He goes back to doing somebig-time...

(21:02):
blockbuster flicks he doesnational treasure he comes back
for the sequel national treasurebook of secrets i just mentioned
the weatherman the wicker man uhand now to some degree he starts
going into his kind of like idon't even know what you would
say like he starts pickingreally niche kind of unusual

(21:24):
roles uh he does ghostwriter andAnd he comes back for that
Ghostwriter Spirit of Vengeance.

SPEAKER_02 (21:29):
Yeah.
I mean, technically a Marvelcomic hero.

SPEAKER_01 (21:33):
Sure.
But I mean, it's not...

SPEAKER_02 (21:35):
That was before the MCU

SPEAKER_01 (21:37):
was like a thing.
Exactly.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:39):
He's in Kick-Ass.

SPEAKER_02 (21:41):
Yes.
What is he, like Big

SPEAKER_01 (21:42):
Daddy or something?
He's the dad.
Yeah.
He's done some voice work.
So he's part of the Croodsfranchise.
So he did the Croods, theCroods, A New Age.
And he has just been working,working, working.
I mean...
I've mentioned before, it'sinsane the work ethic that he

(22:03):
has had, probably over theentire course of his career.
But in 2016, he busts out fivemovies.
In 2017, he does six movies.
He does another six movies in2018.
He does another six movies in2019.
It's just work, work, work.
I think his love of comics isknown, so I think that's why he
keeps coming back to some ofthese.

(22:23):
He has...
He's done voice work inSpider-Man Into the
Spider-Verse.
We watched this last year and itis a fascinating film.
Willy's Wonderland.
He doesn't

SPEAKER_02 (22:35):
say more than like two things in the entire movie,
I think.

SPEAKER_01 (22:38):
Correct.

SPEAKER_02 (22:39):
But it is a wild indie kind of take on a Five
Nights at Freddy's type ofmovie.

SPEAKER_01 (22:46):
Yes.
And I think that this also...
I'm not going to say it's hisintroduction, but he's also
veered a lot into kind of likehorror or horror adjacent.

SPEAKER_02 (22:56):
Mandy is one that like I've like it looks like it
is at a minimum horror adjacent.
It looks like that from thetrail.
It looks crazy.
I mean, that came out a fewyears before even Willy's
Wonderland.

SPEAKER_01 (23:09):
I didn't list that.
I'm sorry.
But he also this is another one.
Pig.

SPEAKER_02 (23:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:15):
So he does that.
Renfield, which is like horrorcomedy.
Yes.
And then more recently, LongLegs, which is, I believe,
another horror.
And I want to say that wasdirected by Norman Bates' kid.
The actor who played NormanBates.
Oh, okay.
His kid.

SPEAKER_02 (23:32):
Don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (23:35):
So there you go.
Okay, moving on to the loveinterest, who arguably is the
star of the film.
It's called Valley Girl.

SPEAKER_02 (23:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:46):
And Valley Girl, if you will, is played by Deborah
Foreman as the character ofJulie.
So...
You know, I don't know if I'dsay it's a meet-cute.
I guess it qualifies.
They see each other at the beachinitially, but she doesn't
realize that that was him whenshe sees him again at the party.
He did, but she did not.
He did, yeah.

(24:06):
And I want to say that probablymost people listening to this
are probably familiar with thefilm.
Like you mentioned at the openof the episode, it's a pretty
simple story.
It's a high school romance, but,

SPEAKER_02 (24:20):
you

SPEAKER_01 (24:22):
know...
He comes from his side of town.
She comes from her side of town.
His friend doesn't care at all.
But her girlfriends havethoughts about who Randy is and
where he comes from and what abad look it would be for Julie
to be with him.
And that has an effect on her.

SPEAKER_02 (24:44):
That totally sways her.
Yeah.
She's just like her dad.
Like she has this greatconversation with her with her
dad, who is like kind of aninteresting character.
And she's like, who are youhappy with?
And exactly like I'm guessing ateenager would do.
She completely disregarded thatthat advice.

(25:05):
Right.
And just completely caved intopeer pressure and just ghosted
him.
That was like the 1980s versionof ghosting someone where like.
When he showed up, she justacted like, oh, didn't you know
we were broken up?

SPEAKER_01 (25:19):
So apparently they were more than just co-stars on
the film.
I don't know to what degreethey...
I mean, I think Cage has said hehad a crush on her.
Yes,

SPEAKER_02 (25:30):
he did.

SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
It sounds like maybe there was something going on.
So I guess that scene wasparticularly hard for them
because they're...
She she's being cold towardshim.
He starts yelling at her.
And I guess, you know, at thattime of filming, they were like
kind of into each other.
So at the very least.
So that was like a particularlydifficult scene for them to
film.
But yeah, I mean, look, I dolike Julie.

(25:55):
I like that she a little bitmore than her friends is more of
an independent thinker, butobviously not enough because
she's While her friends make itclear that they don't like
Randy, I thought it wasinteresting because we've seen
other types of teen films whereyou do get literally iced out.

(26:15):
That happens in Some Kind ofWonderful.

SPEAKER_02 (26:19):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (26:20):
When Leah Thompson agrees to go on a date with
Keith...
Her friends literally go likethey don't ghost her.
They just don't even act likeshe's there.
Like at one point in the film,she's iced out.
She sits down with them and theyjust don't acknowledge her
presence.
Yeah, that's extreme.
They don't do this in that film.
Like her friends are stilltalking to her.
She

SPEAKER_02 (26:40):
caved in to the weakest peer

SPEAKER_01 (26:42):
pressure.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (26:45):
but you really shouldn't.
It's a good point.
I think I'll

SPEAKER_01 (26:47):
break up with them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's weird because like it'sa little ambiguous how much time
passes.
They have a pretty extensivemontage of Julie and Rand Going
out on dates and having fun.
They had a

SPEAKER_02 (26:57):
what?

SPEAKER_01 (26:59):
Going out on dates.

SPEAKER_02 (27:00):
What was it, though?
Like a bunch of scenes strungtogether with some music?
What would you call that?

SPEAKER_01 (27:04):
Oh, montage.
Yes.
Montage.
80s movie montage.
So they have a pretty extendedsequence, but I don't really
know how much time has passed.
I think it had just been acouple months.
If even that.
Yeah.
Because it's like, OK, well,Julie had enough wherewithal to
keep going on these dates.
I'm assuming her friends wereaware of that.

(27:26):
But then all of a suddensomething changes.
And I don't know if it's theproximity to prom.
I think it 100 percent is.
Was that?
Yeah.
So, yeah.
In any case, if you're notfamiliar with the story.

SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
There's like this whole confrontation where he
talks to her about how they feelabout each other should matter
more than what her friendsthink.
And it's like a whole thing.
They talk.
No, I'm just kidding.
He just kicks the shit out ofTommy and then they leave.
That's it.
That's how he wins her backbecause he just kicks the crap

(28:02):
out of Tommy.

SPEAKER_01 (28:03):
So there are a couple of montages in this film
because...
There's the initial of the twoof them having fun.
It's like the honeymoon period,so to speak.
After they break up or she dumpshim, there's another montage of
him doing all these littlethings to try to have her
attention, get her back.
He somehow shows up at all theplaces that her and Tommy are

(28:25):
going out on dates, either asthe server or the ticket taker
at the movie theater or allthese different things.
And she's kind of amused by it,but...
It doesn't really move theneedle.
And at one point, I mean, itgets, if I may say, a little
creepy because he's likesleeping outside on her lawn.
Like some of those things arelike not OK.

(28:45):
It's a whole movie thing wherethat's supposed to be looked at
as romantic.

SPEAKER_02 (28:48):
It's all the things that I thought I was going to
see happening in Say Anything.
But then that didn't reallyhappen there.
So thank goodness it happenedhere.

SPEAKER_01 (28:55):
So, you know, I don't know where the line should
be drawn as far as like if shesays no, she says no.
Yeah.
Whether or not it's for like astupid reason, like her friends,
you know, putting applying thepeer pressure.
She said no.
Yeah.
But you're right.
He decides to have like one lastgrand gesture.

SPEAKER_02 (29:18):
Which was kicking the shit out of Tommy.

SPEAKER_01 (29:19):
Yeah.
Which was like crashing herprom.
and i mean tommy was readythough like he had like the
karate kick oh ready to go likehe was fucking

SPEAKER_02 (29:30):
chuck norris moves going on he was ready and he
only lost the fight because hewas distracted or looked away
and then uh randy

SPEAKER_01 (29:39):
went he would have definitely gotten the one up on
randy but yeah in a

SPEAKER_02 (29:43):
fair fight i'm taking tommy that's all

SPEAKER_01 (29:45):
i'm saying yeah exactly but apparently that was
like enough for her to finallyrealize that yes she truly wants
to be with randy And they driveoff together.

SPEAKER_02 (29:54):
Well, you know, you eliminate the other threat like
he's just out of the picturenow.
I guess it's Randy.

SPEAKER_01 (30:00):
Yeah.
I mean, I guess the only thing Ican say is like because she's
not a senior.
Sometimes I think it's a weak.
Stake.
Because in films where they'reseniors, it's like, well, you're
all going off to college anyway.
Who cares?
But she is just...
I don't think she's graduating.
Yeah, that's a good point.
So it's like she will have todeal with consequences.
They have a

SPEAKER_02 (30:19):
couple years.
I just...
I thought that most of the restof the story was actually really
good.
And that's why the ending kindof like stuck out as like...
Wow, they just needed to wrapthis up, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean, who knows if it was a budgetary
thing.
Might have been.
We

SPEAKER_02 (30:37):
get that sweet glamour shot of the Sherman Oaks
Galleria.

SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
Shout out.

SPEAKER_02 (30:42):
Was it the Galleria?
Yeah, yeah.
Interesting.
Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (30:45):
But yeah, so on both their ends, it's like...
think you could get swept awayin kind of just like the movie
romance part of it but they bothhave things where it's like okay
so Julie's kind of just she'svery susceptible to the
influence of her friends that'snot cool she doesn't treat Randy

(31:05):
great on Randy's side like shetold you no even if you think
it's bullshit and you think youshould be together she said no
you keep you know kind ofchasing her and at the end it's
like yeah that kind

SPEAKER_02 (31:17):
of stuff will get you a uh restraining order.

SPEAKER_01 (31:20):
Yeah, and he essentially just wins her in a
duel at the end.
So that's kind of how it all

SPEAKER_02 (31:25):
plays out.
That's exactly what happened.
He won her in a duel.

SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
Won her in a duel.
Deborah Foreman, not the firsttime that we've brought her up.
No,

SPEAKER_02 (31:34):
same damn movie again, isn't

SPEAKER_01 (31:36):
it?
Yes, I mean, there are a coupleactually.
So earlier in her career, and Ithink she maybe has taken a step
away from acting, but She did afilm called I'm Dancing as Fast
as I Can, which I'm pretty sureI've brought up before.
She was on a TV series.
I don't know the show, but it'scalled Romance Theater.

(31:57):
She was in Real Genius, so shere-teams with Coolidge.
Much smaller part.
I think she was like...
She was the daughter of

SPEAKER_02 (32:07):
the general.
Either the general or the...
Like the...
school guy the guy from oh

SPEAKER_01 (32:15):
i always just think of him as like military because
he's like the military fatherand um girls just want to have

SPEAKER_02 (32:20):
fun that might have been that she might have been
his daughter i'm not sure shewas someone's she

SPEAKER_01 (32:26):
was someone's daughter his daughter oh but i
don't know what his specificrole was but he always strikes
me as like a military typecharacter

SPEAKER_02 (32:33):
yeah he was probably senior commander admiral

SPEAKER_01 (32:36):
and she's like flirty with val kilmer

SPEAKER_02 (32:39):
Briefly.

SPEAKER_01 (32:39):
So, yeah.
She doesn't have a huge role inthat.
She did not.
She was in My Chauffeur.
So we covered her more recently.
Yeah.
Last season in April Fool's Day.
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:51):
She's like what Buffy and Muffy.
She plays two characters aswell.
And it's fun.
It's like a kind of a fun turnfor her to be in.
It's you know, we have thatconversation about is this
horror because the whole thingwas a joke.
But get it.
April Fool's Day.
But she's good in it.
She's fun.
It's campy.
Yeah, I liked it.
And it is.
She was in Destroyer Lobster Manfrom Mars.

(33:14):
We're definitely going to coverthat.
Friends, lovers, and lunatics.
Also, lunatics, a love story.
So she's in two films thatmention lunatics.
And then this remake that wetalked about, she has a little
cameo.
So there's a cameo in ValleyGirl 2020.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah.
As does Elizabeth Daly.

(33:36):
So moving on to the nextactress.
So she plays Lauren.
Lauren is...
So, okay, so Julie has this crewof three friends.
Lauren is the one that probablyhas the most depth of any of the
characters, like the friends.

SPEAKER_02 (33:55):
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, she...
kind of like uh hooks up withtommy pretty immediately after
they

SPEAKER_01 (34:05):
that was a tough scene for me because i actually
really sympathize with what wasgoing on in that moment the way
that i interpreted it becauselook if you want to look at like
what is presumed to be thereality of the film like they're
high school students yeah andtommy even though it's the other
friend um What's her name?

(34:27):
Not Susie.
Nancy, maybe?
Stacey.
Oh, yeah.
Stacey, I think, has like acovert crush on Tommy because
she keeps talking about how hothe is.
Oh, my

SPEAKER_02 (34:37):
God.
She is constantly telling us allhow hot she thinks Tommy is.

SPEAKER_01 (34:40):
Yeah.
So at least we're supposed tobelieve, and he is prom king, so
we're supposed to believe thathe's like super popular, the
most popular guy in school.
Everybody thinks he's hot,da-da-da-da-da.
So...
You know, for him to showinterest in Lauren, probably,
even though I think she kind ofknows it's probably bullshit,

(35:01):
but...

SPEAKER_02 (35:02):
She still, you know, was at a party and hooked up
with a dude she thought was hot.

SPEAKER_01 (35:08):
Yeah, and it's clear that she feels a lot of shame
when...
You know, there he gets tosecond base.
Yes.
Yes.
And she's like, OK, so does thismean we're going out?

SPEAKER_02 (35:22):
He he hit a stand up double, I would say.

SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (35:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (35:26):
And he immediately shuts it down.
And then he shames her becausehe knows that that won't go over
well.
If Julie and the rest of herfriends know what happened.
So he's like, I won't tellanybody if you don't.
But he's kind of hanging thatover her because like probably
his reputation would stay intactif that information came out.

(35:48):
Hers would not.
The hypocrisy of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's right.
And she, you can tell, feels sheshouldn't.
I mean, he's just as like, Imean, like, look, neither of
them, if Julie means anything toyou.
probably shouldn't be doingthat.
I mean maybe

SPEAKER_02 (36:03):
she felt kind of bad but she didn't look like she was
real broken up at any point ofthe movie.

SPEAKER_01 (36:07):
Well when he leaves the room you can tell that she's
Mildly sad.
Not okay with how she feels inthat moment.
And there is a scene later onwhere she attempts to tell
Julie.
I think that's what theintention is because she's like,
this is really hard for me tosay this.
But Julie cuts her off becauseshe's so preoccupied with Tommy
or Randy.
And so at least as far as whatwe see, they don't have a

(36:29):
conversation about what hadhappened.
But I think Lauren made theattempt.
So I don't think she's a badperson.
I think she's just a teenagerwho is susceptible to that kind
of stuff.
But Elizabeth Daly, holy mother.
fucking shit.
She has had quite a career.
She has over 240 acting creditsso far.

(36:53):
A lot of voice work.
So much voice work and verymemorable roles for that voice
work.
So when she was still younger inher career, she did a ton of
on-screen work.
So she was on a TV series calledThe Righteous Apples.
Not The Gemstones, but TheRighteous Apples.
She is probably known to a lotof people who love peewee for

(37:17):
peewee's big adventure i

SPEAKER_02 (37:19):
that's what i immediately recognized her from
uh she's dotty from peewee's bigadventure yeah

SPEAKER_01 (37:23):
yeah she has just the most minor of roles in
better off dead if i'mremembering correctly she's like
a singer um and actually thatreminds me because she does have
like a one-off i didn't evenlist it but she does have a
one-off in friends she's the onethat steals smelly cat oh okay
well to be fair her and phoebeare composed that song together

(37:45):
and Phoebe was like you know youcan have the song but then we're
not friends anymore andbasically she's like okay and
she like sells it to a kittylitter company and probably
makes a fortune off of it butand yeah I think she actually
has like singing chops so that'sher in that movie she was in

(38:07):
Dutch and And now she startsthis extensive part of her
career as a voice actor.
So, so many TV shows, ProblemChild, Quack Pack, a lot of kids
shows.
Duckman, again, Private Dick,Backslash, Family Man.
Perhaps most famously, she isTommy Pickles in Rugrats.

SPEAKER_02 (38:31):
Yeah, that's super cool.

SPEAKER_01 (38:33):
Maybe second famously, she is Buttercup in
The Powerpuff Girls.
Oh, okay.
I guess they kind of sort ofrebooted Rugrats because she's
Tommy Pickles again, but in ashow called All Grown Up.
So there's that.
She's done voice.
I mean, so much.
I am just barely scratching onthis part of her career.

(38:57):
She did voice work for PoundPuppies.
She also has a cameo in the 2020Valley Girl.
And then more recently, CuriousGeorge.
Oh, really?
And I mean, just like so muchvoice work.
I mean, she is working, working,working.

UNKNOWN (39:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
Anything else you wanted to bring up?

SPEAKER_02 (39:13):
No.
There's so much.
Right?
It's crazy.
Yeah.
If I was going to just startnaming random animated shows or
games even that she's done voicework for, it would take way too
long.
Good for her.
Yeah.
You

SPEAKER_01 (39:25):
know?
Okay.
Moving on to the assholeboyfriend, Tommy, played by
Michael Bowen.
You brought up a role that hehad where I'm like, oh, man,
could this have been Tommy laterin his life?
Maybe.
Kill Bill.

SPEAKER_02 (39:41):
Who?
Oh, wait, what?

SPEAKER_01 (39:44):
Because you said he's the rapist nurse.

SPEAKER_02 (39:46):
Yes, I think he's Buck.

SPEAKER_01 (39:48):
Yeah, I don't know those movies that

SPEAKER_02 (39:49):
well.
Yeah, it was Buck from

SPEAKER_01 (39:51):
Kill Bill.
But who Tommy could have grownup to be.
So the

SPEAKER_02 (39:54):
same...
My

SPEAKER_01 (39:54):
headcanon.

SPEAKER_02 (39:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (39:58):
But he has been...
Same

SPEAKER_02 (39:59):
universe.

SPEAKER_01 (40:00):
Yeah, look, I'll be really honest.
I know him most from thisparticular role.
But he has very consistentlybeen working up till this day.

SPEAKER_02 (40:09):
So I recognize him from Breaking Bad.

SPEAKER_01 (40:13):
You mentioned that as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So earlier in his career, I havea ton of film work.
Night of the Comet, PrivateResort, Iron Eagle, Less Than
Zero, Beverly Hills Cop 3.
So it's clear that he has somekind of relationship there.
friendship maybe with Tarantinobecause he not only was in both

(40:33):
Kill Bill Volume 1 and 2 he wasin Jackie Brown and he also was
in Django Unchained

SPEAKER_02 (40:39):
well Tarantino really liked Valley Girl so

SPEAKER_01 (40:43):
yeah that's right maybe that there you go yeah I
think you're absolutely right healso was in the film Magnolia
Last House on the Left House bythe Lake so a little bit of
horror work again he has done Toyour point, TV work, you
mentioned Breaking Bad already.

(41:03):
He was on the series Lost aswell.
Huh.

SPEAKER_02 (41:07):
I don't remember him from that, but there's just like
a lot.
There's a lot of Lost to have toconsider.

SPEAKER_01 (41:14):
Correct.
And more recently, he was on theTV series Animal Kingdom.
So I think with him, was he theone that was going through his
filmography?
Because like I said, for a lotof these actors, There are just
so many instances of them havinglike a guest role, like a
one-off or two, maybe an arc oftwo episodes.

(41:37):
But I think that that's also alot of what his career has
encompassed.
But he's been just steadilyworking all this time.
Okay, moving on to the otherdude who's not Randy or Tommy,
Fred.
Fred.
Fred is Randy's best friend.
He's kind of comic relief inthis

SPEAKER_02 (41:55):
film.
He very much is, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (41:56):
Played by Cameron Dye.
And...
I mean, yeah, he's kind of agoofball.
I don't know how to feel abouthim.
How

SPEAKER_02 (42:05):
do we have Randy and Julie make out in the car?
Let's just have Fred chaseStacey for like three hours.

SPEAKER_01 (42:12):
Right.
And that's exactly what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 (42:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (42:15):
I don't think Fred's a bad dude, but, you know, like,
look, looking through thisthrough 20, 25 eyes, not great.
Yeah.
that he, I mean, he kind of, Iguess, wears her down at one
point.
And because I think he does kissher.

SPEAKER_02 (42:32):
Yeah.
I mean, it feels like that's alittle bit of a common theme
throughout the movie is thatjust

SPEAKER_01 (42:37):
find someone wearing women down.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (42:41):
Find someone that you think is hot that you're
infatuated with and wear themdown.
Yeah.
They'll be yours.
I

SPEAKER_01 (42:46):
mean, at the end of the film, there's like basically
a food fight after the fightfight.

SPEAKER_02 (42:53):
There is.

SPEAKER_01 (42:54):
And Cameron stays for the like, you know, Randy
and Julie, they run off.
But Cameron stay or sorry, I'musing the actor's name.
Fred stays.
And there is like a quick shotof Stacey just like covered in
food.
And he's laughing.
I don't think she's laughing inthe moment.
But I think maybe that'ssupposed to also signal that
there's like still somethinggoing on between them.
I don't know.

(43:15):
But yeah.
As far as Dai is concerned, Imean, he's done some work.
I don't have an extensivefilmography for him.
He was in The Last Starfighter.
He also– because, wait, this wasa Coolidge film.
Yeah.
He's done a lot of TV

SPEAKER_02 (43:32):
work.

SPEAKER_01 (43:33):
Yeah.
He also was in Joy of Sex, soreteams with Coolidge for that.
He was in Men at Work, a TVseries called The Gringo
Hunters.

SPEAKER_02 (43:43):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (43:43):
And then, to your point, a lot of TV appearances.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (43:47):
Indeed.
Including some Quantum Leap,which, you know, the original.

SPEAKER_01 (43:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (43:54):
It's got Bacula.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:55):
Cool.

SPEAKER_02 (43:56):
Good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (43:57):
Okay.
So moving on to the friend thatwe said, she's probably my least
favorite of any of the friends,Stacy.

SPEAKER_02 (44:03):
Yeah.
She really like convinced Julieto break things off.

SPEAKER_01 (44:09):
I think Lauren and Susie probably would have been
fine.
Especially Lauren, because it'sclear she's not a fan of Tommy's
after their little encounter.
But Stacey is the mostpersistent.
Insufferable.
Yeah.
And telling Julie, like, breakup with Randy.

(44:30):
And played by Heidi Holliker.
Yeah.
And again, not an extensivecareer.
In fact, there's a 30-year gapbetween two of her credits.
She was in a film called PinkMotel.
She also reteams with Coolidgefor Joy of Sex.
She was in a 1989 film calledRush Week.
And then she doesn't haveanother credit until 2020's

(44:53):
Valley Girl.

SPEAKER_02 (44:55):
Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 (44:56):
So there you go.
Lastly, we brought her up acouple minutes ago, Michelle
Myrink.
So she plays Susie.
She has her own interestinglittle storyline in this film.

SPEAKER_02 (45:10):
Yeah, I thought that was going to go somewhere, but
it really was just like a sidestory between her, Brett?
Chip?
Chip.
Chip?
Was it really Chip?
Yeah, Chip.
And her stepmom, who seemed likeshe was like not a
significant...
A very Mrs.
Robinson type character.

(45:31):
Yeah, she wasn't a lot...
older than than

SPEAKER_01 (45:33):
her no daughter and it was a really weird dynamic
you get kind of bits and piecesbut like when suzy throws a
party at her house her mom who'sreally her stepmom says in
passing to somebody you know i'monly her stepmom and ever since
i think joe died so it soundslike suzy's biological father

(45:55):
passed away and now her stepmomis raising her yeah So very odd,
a very weird dynamic.
Yeah.
And yeah, so her stepmom alsoseems...
It's weird because it kind ofwalks the line between her
looking like she's trying tohelp Susie cultivate this

(46:17):
relationship with Chip, but alsokind of competing with her.
Yes.
And there's this very...
interesting exchange between thestepmom and Chip when he's
dropping off groceries and it'slike...
Oh, you know what?
It was Skip.
Oh, Skip.
Oh, and Chip, Skip.
It's all the same.

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But thank you for clarifyingthat.
And yeah, so Susie, and you cantell she feels...
She kind of picks up on it.
Like at the party, she watchesher stepmom engage with Skip and
looks a certain way about it.
So...

SPEAKER_02 (46:56):
And then there's this moment where Skip invents
Instacart and is delivering abunch of groceries and doesn't
really know.
He's out of his depth.

SPEAKER_01 (47:09):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (47:10):
And so then he comes back.
I don't know how much time hadpassed.
We're not really sure what'sgoing on, but he is riding his
bike and kind of There's thisinternal struggle.
Is he going to go to their houseor not?
And he does.
And he just walks in becausethat's just what people did in

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the 80s.

SPEAKER_01 (47:31):
Do you think he was looking for Susie or her
stepmom?

SPEAKER_02 (47:34):
That's the...
That's the million dollarquestion because-

SPEAKER_01 (47:36):
Would he have done the same thing if it was the
stepmom in the shower?

SPEAKER_02 (47:39):
Yeah, I think he might have.
I think he was just looking fora naked woman in a shower in
this house and he was ready tomake a move.

SPEAKER_01 (47:46):
It's a really interesting part of the movie
because it's left veryambiguous.
And

SPEAKER_02 (47:50):
you don't know, you see that he's saying that he has
Susie's book and then he walksup, you see someone in the
shower.
It's appropriately frosted soyou can't see- too much.
And then you don't see him againuntil someone's coming home.
someone else is coming to thehouse.
And the first thing I thought islike, oh, it's going to be Susie

(48:12):
finding this guy with her mom.
And of course, it was the momcoming

SPEAKER_01 (48:16):
home.
It was the flip.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (48:17):
Yeah.
And then that story was sointeresting that it never went
anywhere the rest of the movie.

SPEAKER_01 (48:23):
Kind of.
I mean, at the very end at theprom, you know, everybody keeps
complaining there's no cups.
I don't know why they wouldleave it to the students to
bring cups for prom.
Bring your own cups.
But apparently Skip and Susiewere responsible for the cups.

SPEAKER_02 (48:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:36):
And because they were late you hear lauren said
you know where were you guys andthen she's like oh suzy were you
getting laid so suzy and so the

SPEAKER_02 (48:45):
big payoff is that they had sex again

SPEAKER_01 (48:47):
yeah okay i guess they're a couple now and but it
is it is a fascinating littleside story that i still don't
know if i understand completelythat

SPEAKER_02 (48:57):
could be like its whole own movie

SPEAKER_01 (48:59):
yes

SPEAKER_02 (49:00):
honestly and

SPEAKER_01 (49:01):
it it does it And honestly, I don't know if I'm
speaking out of turn here, butwhen the stepmom says to Skip,
like, I have one word for you,plastics, I think that is from
The Graduate.
But I could be wrong.

SPEAKER_02 (49:17):
It could be.

SPEAKER_01 (49:18):
So I think at the very least, they are heavily
implying that she's like a Mrs.
Robinson character.

SPEAKER_02 (49:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:27):
So anyway, though, Susie, so Michelle Myrink...
You know, really interestingcareer because she had a really
strong 80s and then I guess justdecided that acting was not the
thing that she wanted to doanymore because she was in The
Outsiders, which interesting wasdirected by Nicholas Coppola's

(49:48):
uncle, Francis Ford Coppola.
So she's in that.
Revenge of the Nerds.
She also...
Reteams with Coolidge for Joy ofSex.
As mentioned, she is Jordan inReal Genius.
She's in a film called NiceGirls Don't Explode.
Okay.
And then her last credit was in1988, a film called Permanent

(50:09):
Record.

SPEAKER_02 (50:10):
Nice.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (50:11):
That's it.

SPEAKER_02 (50:13):
She did not return like everyone else did.
Okay.
No.

SPEAKER_01 (50:17):
Film synopsis.
Julie, a girl from the Valley,meets Randy.
Okay.
a punk from the city.
They are from different worldsand find love.
Somehow, they need to staytogether in spite of her trendy,
shallow friends.

SPEAKER_02 (50:35):
Look, Randy's no dummy.
He figured it out right awaywhen they broke up.
He's like, it's because you'refriends.

SPEAKER_01 (50:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (50:41):
Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (50:42):
Yeah, so...
So

SPEAKER_02 (50:43):
that...
I'm fine with that.

SPEAKER_01 (50:45):
It's fine.
I mean, it's...
Yeah, it's fine.
It's fine.
It's a little...
They need to shorten it up abit.
But...
What?
But, I mean, I don't really knowwhy I love this movie so much.
I mean, I loved this moviebefore ever knowing anything
about California or the Valleyor living here.
Maybe that makes it a little bitmore fun, you know, watching it

(51:08):
and seeing these, like, familiarthings.
But it's, I mean, in contrast, Ibrought up Amy Heckerling
earlier.
Obviously, Fast Times is thishuge ensemble cast.
Yeah.
And all of these differentstories going on at the same
time.
I kind of prefer Valley Girl forits simplicity.

SPEAKER_02 (51:26):
Yeah.
No, I was going to say, this wasthe first time I've watched
this.
So now I think I have coveredevery one of the 80s movies
referenced in the Bouncing Soulsquotes list.
These are my favorite quotesfrom the, yeah.
Whatever that song is, we'venever covered all of them.
And I definitely had more funwatching this than Fast Times.

SPEAKER_01 (51:48):
Yeah.
I think Fast Times...
doesn't have any kind of veneeri don't i don't have anything i
don't knock the film for thefact that there's like an
abortion story because like heythat happened you know it always
has i respect that

SPEAKER_02 (52:03):
that's part of the story and i respect the way that
they covered it and herbrother's character all that
like was done very well but ifi'm just sitting down to
casually watch a movie i'dprobably go to valley girl yeah
first just because i can justkind of like relax it's just
like a fun it's a fun movie youjust let it wash over you you

(52:25):
look at all the valley landmarksgo by they never actually go to
any of them but they have themin some

SPEAKER_01 (52:32):
of the and I love that they I mean I don't know
why Southern California is sucha lightning rod for these types
of films where there's just likethis really specific teen
culture that is happeningbecause you know You have Fast
Times.
You have Valley Girl.
Move it up a decade.
You have Clueless.

(52:53):
And it's all of them SouthernCalifornia.
But it is really...
And again, another Heckerlingfilm, Clueless.
But it is really interesting, Ithink, that these films got
made.
Where, especially this film, itis so low budget.
And...

(53:14):
I don't know.
I just find it reallyinteresting to like this little
microcosm of so much specificityin the time, in the location.
Yeah.
You're not

SPEAKER_02 (53:26):
going to see a movie quite like this now for a lot of
the reasons that we already wentthrough in terms of

SPEAKER_01 (53:33):
like how- I mean, I

SPEAKER_02 (53:35):
guess they tried.
They can try, but- A lot of theways in which the characters
just interacted, I don't thinkit would even be as successful
or viewed the same way now

SPEAKER_01 (53:46):
for some of what we talked about.
They probably cast Silverstonebecause of her association with
Clueless.

SPEAKER_02 (53:50):
Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 (53:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (53:52):
For sure.

SPEAKER_01 (53:52):
For sure.
Like, totally.
And that is one funny thingabout the film is that, like,
obviously there's, like, a lingothat persists throughout the
entirety of the film.
They

SPEAKER_02 (54:02):
push it a little

SPEAKER_01 (54:03):
hard.
They push it real hard at first.

SPEAKER_02 (54:05):
Right to the envelope.

SPEAKER_01 (54:06):
Yeah.
But, yeah, I just...
I really enjoyed it.
So...
It sounds like you enjoyed it,too.

SPEAKER_02 (54:12):
I did, yeah.
I mean, I know that the specifictype of music they had in it, I
got what they were going for.
I guess they did try to get thepunk band X to be in it, and
they didn't want to after theyread the script.
I'm like, oh, well, okay.
But yeah, I enjoyed it.

(54:32):
It is, like you said, a reallysimple...
teenage love story, basically,like a star-crossed lovers,
Romeo and Juliet

SPEAKER_01 (54:39):
kind of thing.
Yeah, and sometimes they lay itdown a little thick.
Like there's, in that montage,there literally is a scene where
they're kissing in front of amarquee for Romeo and Juliet.
So it's like very on the nosewhat the

SPEAKER_02 (54:51):
theme is.
It's true.
I think the unsung heroes for mewere Frederick Forrest and
Colleen Camp as Steve and SarahRichman, Julie's parents.

SPEAKER_01 (55:01):
That was another real, like that's why I think
this movie sticks with mebecause there's all these like
Like the main story, the mainplot is pretty straightforward.
Yeah.
But they included all thesereally interesting side plots
and characters.

SPEAKER_02 (55:16):
Well, the hippie parents that just let her do
basically whatever, I thinkwas...
very intentional so that theydidn't have to like, Hey, how do
we like have her do this stuff?
And there's not, we don't reallywant a bunch of conflict or
drama with the parents.
Okay.
They're just going to be superchill and they're not going to
care about any of it.
They'll offer pretty goodadvice.

(55:37):
She will not take it.
And then we'll just move on.

SPEAKER_01 (55:39):
It's really fascinating.
Even just little things likethat.
They own like a natural foodstore and restaurant.
And like, that's part of thestory.
And, um, maybe one of myfavorite moments of the whole
movie is when they're takingpictures of Julie and Tommy for
prom.
And the dad says, Oh, we stillhave photos left on here from
the wedding.
And Tommy's like wedding.

(56:00):
She's like, yeah, they gotmarried last fall.
Like the fact that they didn'teven get married until their
daughter was like, you know,well into her teens.
Like that's such an interestinglittle detail.
Yeah.
So

SPEAKER_02 (56:12):
there's a lot, there's a lot of like little
things to pick up on.
Yeah.
Which, which makes again, theending.
I'm like, You guys just spendlike five minutes on that.

SPEAKER_01 (56:21):
And of course, obviously the attire is so fun.
That's one thing that I thoughtwas really interesting because
the way that they obscure thefact that.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(56:56):
Very noticeably, they looknothing like the rest.
And it's not even because theyhave like crazy hair or
piercings or whatever.
It's because they're not wearingpastels.
They're not wearing polo shirts.
They're dressed in black andred.
And that alone makes everybodyturn to them.
And it's very clear that theyare outsiders.

(57:20):
And I just find that all reallyinteresting.

UNKNOWN (57:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:24):
oh we finally did it we did it we finally so i think
you already answered thisquestion because you're like
yeah you could just sit down andlet this yeah i'd watch this
again okay yeah i it's on for mealmost weekly so it's on in the
background a lot yeah it's on inthe background a lot call by
action

SPEAKER_02 (57:43):
what do you

SPEAKER_01 (57:46):
got I mean, as much as I hate to ask, I'm curious if
anybody has seen the remakebecause I'm not going to.
Tell us about the remake.
Yeah, I kind of want to know ifthere's any substance to it.
I mean, obviously, I have strongprejudices against all these
remakes, so that's coming acrosspretty clearly.
I'll

SPEAKER_02 (58:05):
say if the remakes draw more attention to the
original, then that's fine.

SPEAKER_01 (58:12):
That's a good point.
That's a nice way of looking atit.
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SPEAKER_02 (58:29):
What do we got?

SPEAKER_01 (58:30):
I can't believe we're finally at this point in
the season.
We're not totally at theHalloween series.
However, we are going to do likekind of a bridge episode
between...

SPEAKER_02 (58:44):
Yeah, I think, you know, the challenge in that is
finding a movie that may have ahorror element or at least maybe
a character that draws fromclassic horror types of
monsters, perhaps.
But I don't know, maybe if itwas done in like a comic way,

(59:06):
maybe if there was somebasketball included, maybe some
surfing on top of a van drivingthrough the neighborhood.
I don't know.
All those things.
Look, and you know what?

SPEAKER_01 (59:18):
Let's do another teen film.

SPEAKER_02 (59:20):
You can find all of those things, and it's another
teen film, and that's in thetitle.
And, of course, it's Teen Wolf.

SPEAKER_01 (59:28):
Teen Wolf! This is another one.
Finally, we're knocking out someof these films that we've been

SPEAKER_02 (59:32):
wanting to do for a really long time.
Finally.
Do you know how long everyone'sbeen waiting for someone to use
their werewolf powers to get akeg of beer?
But you won't have to wait muchlonger.

SPEAKER_01 (59:43):
I'm so excited to cover this one.
I love this movie so much.
Obviously problematic elements,just like every other film we
cover.
But all

SPEAKER_02 (59:53):
of them have elements where like, oh, that
joke wouldn't go over today.
And here's all the reasons why.

SPEAKER_01 (59:59):
Or some of the slur language, like even in Valley
Girl.
The whole song.
Yes.
And Randy uses a slur againstTommy.
Yeah.
And that happens in Teen Wolf aswell.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:12):
But the interesting thing is that Amidst all these
jokes that are very out of placeby today's standards, you find
generally wholesome enough.
The underlying story isn'twhat's...

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:29):
Problematic.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:30):
It's not a problematic start to finish,
although with Valley Girl, himjust harassing and then beating
up someone to get the girl,maybe.
I don't know.
But yeah, there's always goingto be something in these
because...

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:42):
Yeah, I'm just really excited to finally cover
this movie.
I'm excited that it is going tobe like our soft launch into our
annual Halloween series.
Yeah.
My favorite time of year.
And yeah, so that's what's nextup on deck.
And in the meantime, just thankyou to everybody for choosing us
for your podcasting needs.

(01:01:04):
And we will talk to you again intwo weeks time.