September 10, 2025 • 40 mins
Chloe gets a warning from her friend about her move to Aruba, to be with Jonathan the pirate. Manon and Anthony reveal the problems they face in America with a busy lifestyle, and discuss moving to France to slow the pace down. Jenny and Sumit are moving in with his family to solve their financial problems. Meanwhile Luke is still spending money like it’s water to please his fiancé, Madelein.
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Hi Amy Happy. Are you ready for a new season
of The Other Way? I was, and then it wasn't.
Oh no, this is the other way. Season 7 and today we're talking
about Episode 1. Episode 1 and new couples yay
is. It a yay?
I'm not sure yet, I'm still on the fence about this one.
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And before we dive in, let's quickly do a 1 and 2 one rate
review and follow us wherever you listen to the podcast.
And two, watch us on YouTube at 90 Day Fiance.
Honestly, got some cat hair flying up your nose, I believe.
All right, let's go meet our couples, starting with a new
one, Chloe, who's 23, from Massachusetts, and her
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boyfriend. Pirate.
Is he a fiance? No.
I don't. I don't think so.
Question mark we. Have a lot of question marks Her
Jonathan, who's 32, lives in Aruba.
She's 23, yeah, with a 32 year old man.
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And they've been dating for. 11 months. 11 months.
Really. Oh God, I.
Had to keep rewinding that to make sure rewinding.
I had to keep rewinding that to like quadruple check that.
Yeah, she's so young. And what did you think of this
dramatic opening scene with the friend driving through the snow
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in the winter time? I've got to get there in time to
stop her. She's going to ruin her life.
I must save her. It almost felt like the
beginning of Alanis Morissette'smusic video for Ironic.
When she's just driving. And I don't know, I mean, she
wasn't dramatic at that point, but I just, I had that kind of
feeling and I'm like, she's a woman on a mission.
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This is so fun. I mean, we'll, we'll get to the
friend, but when Chloe was telling her back story, I was
like a competitive cheerleader. And she's like, look at all of
my accomplishments in this box. And that's not even all of them.
Like she's so full of herself it's gross.
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I don't mind the pride and accomplishments and I don't care
that she was a cheerleader. You and I have our own opinions
of of that, but that's that's anaside.
She had a thing that she was good at.
She's gotten awards for it good for.
Her and yes, I would think good for her, yes.
However, she is a self-describedtotal spoiled Princess who quote
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UN quote got everything I wanted.
These are problematic words for me.
Especially if she's going to move to Aruba.
Indeed, it doesn't pose quite a conundrum.
One of my first comments is wow this is going to work.
I love it. And then, Oh my God, eleven
months and moving. Wow.
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And then of course her mom is going to help her pack.
And she goes on about how her mom is her best friend Mike.
That is some of the most toxic shit that I've ever heard.
Your mom is your best friend because your mom has coddled you
your entire life. She's given you absolutely
everything. You've never had to work for a
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damn thing in your entire life, and now you're going to throw it
all away? She's 23.
She makes 6 figures. This was unbelievable, the part
about the relationship with the mom and how the mom has built up
a business and she's handed overthe reins of this business to
her daughter. Clearly the daughter is doing
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well with the business. So good for Chloe that she can
handle that at such a tender age.
But being handed all of this stuff and not having to work for
it, I also have issues with questions.
Let me say questions because noteverybody can take those gifts
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that they are handed as a young person.
Be grateful for it in the way that you would if you had had to
actually take the steps and do the stuff to get there yourself,
which clearly she hasn't becauseshe's only 23.
We did hear a mention of her going to school.
She probably went to college or something good, all excellent.
But again, I just feel like she has this predisposition towards
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winging it because of having hadthis history of other people
handing her stuff. And so she doesn't actually have
to do the work. And she thinks that's going to
fly in Aruba. At the same time though, you
know, as much as I poo poo on her being a cheerleader, she
obviously has many accolades which she is proof of in at
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least one banker's box. But there's a lot of work ethic
that goes into being so successful as an athlete.
And I don't want to undermine her athleticism and her success.
And I can clearly see how there's some transferable
skills, you know, her being diligent with her training, her
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showing up on time, watching herdiet carefully.
Because, I mean, we've all seen the documentaries about
cheerleaders and God forbid you gained a couple pounds.
So she has a lot of skills that can put her in a position where
she can be successful. And with her mom, you know,
building the business herself, she has a lot that she can teach
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her. So she has a mentor who she
obviously loves, she's very close with.
So she actually does have the ability to be really successful
even though she's been given everything.
Yeah. Does that make sense?
I don't question, I don't question that she has her own
abilities. What I question is the lack of
experience and the way that she has been given the employment
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successes to her without having to gain them herself.
And that's that could be a big deal, especially like she lives
at home with her mom. Do you have any experience
living on your own? Yet no.
How is that going to translate when you go to Aruba, which is a
very different living circumstance with this man of 32
that you barely know? I have questions.
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And what kind of? Financial knowledge does she
have? She purports to be successful in
her mom's business, though I wonder in what position because
I don't think it's finances. Like if this this 23 year old is
making six figures now you're going to give up a life of
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potentially absolute success, like financial success to give
it up for some random dude down in Aruba who you haven't even
known for very long. Well, let's talk about Jonathan
because that is the salient point.
Is she losing her marbles? What exactly is going on here?
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Because this guy works on a pirate ship, his job is to flirt
with women. Do you want to discuss Jennifer
and her advice? Well, first of all, I would like
to discuss Jennifer and her husband because she she says
that her husband grew up with Jonathan and I was like, Cesco,
come on, how, how does this happen?
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And why is she waiting until theabsolute last minute to pull
this? Maybe it's a production stunt, I
don't know. And then she drove 4 1/2 hours
to do this. She couldn't have done this over
Zoom. I just, I think her.
So going back to your question, I think her friends advice was
very sound. You have absolutely no idea what
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it's like for him down there. You absolutely cannot trust him.
Her situation is completely different because her husband
has moved to the states. They're married, they're
together. And he's no longer in an
environment where there's a constant stream of young women
who he has to flirt with. Right.
And let's look at Jessica and Juan.
Jessica did not trust him when he was on the cruise ship, and
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she refused to let him go back for very specific reasons.
Because that's where they hookedup.
Valid. So why is she moving down to
Aruba? To be with him in the
environment that perpetuates theflirtatiousness, the hookups,
the using. The opportunities, thank you
words, especially when she's earning such a huge salary. 1
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expects that what he's earning is not because it's Aruba and
he's basically I would imagine living off tips that's that
would be the bulk of his salary.So why is it that he is not
coming to the states? We know that he can travel to
the states because we find out from Jen that he cheated.
And then Chloe tells us a story of how Jonathan took a trip, a
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vacation to Florida with anotherwoman to celebrate her birthday.
So what the heck is going on here?
And then when Jen explains the bro culture in Aruba, where the
guys who work for the in the tourism industry all cover one
another's asses, give each otherexcuses and ways out so that if
they do have a girlfriend, they have somebody to back them up if
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they need a a cover story for cheating on them.
This is a bad, bad idea. And why is her mom not being the
voice of reason? How much has she shared with her
mom? Is this her mom's opportunity to
be like, go have fun, I will save you when you realize your
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mistakes? I mean, I think that that's more
likely than anything else at this point.
Well, mom could be a complete enabler who just allows her
daughter to do whatever she wants and never questions her
choices because why would she? I don't know.
We don't know enough yet, but sofar all signs point to this
being a complete and utter disaster, which of course
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everybody loves. This is the reason why we watch
the show. 1 of them. Yeah, I just, I don't love the
fact that there's the age difference with her being so
young, with her having her entire life given to her on a
silver platter and then her going to be with.
I'm not saying all men who work in the service industry in Aruba
are, but he sounds like an absolute degenerate.
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For him to take another woman toFlorida on vacation and to not
visit his girlfriend is absolutely ridiculous.
Like, what's his excuse? Oh, I thought we were in an open
relationship. I'm like, OK, Sean.
So I'm like I'm pulling in all these other.
People I know you are. The communication there is this
is going to be, as you said, an absolute disaster and I don't
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know if I'm here for it, don't know enough yet.
Yeah, I don't know. It's, it's really hard at this
point. I feel like I'm not going to
have enough sympathy for Chloe to feel like I'm on her side.
And I think that's maybe what's bothering me the most is that
there is not enough that's likable about her.
That has been shown and definitely nothing likable about
Jonathan since we all we know about him is is he's a flirt.
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He works on a pirate ship, he enjoys having the attention from
other women, and he has cheated on Chloe already, so it's it is
what it is. But if he's cheating on you
within the first four months of your relationship, I think
that's pretty telling. Like, I hate, I don't hate, but
I also hate to harp on the age difference, but it's because
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she's so young. There's a huge difference
between 23 and 32 versus 32 and 43.
Yes, huge, huge difference. Well.
We will talk about that some more a little bit later on, but
for now, shall we read on? I'd like to.
Let's talk about Mano, who's 32,from France, and her husband.
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Wow. Wow.
They're already married. Anthony, 33, from California.
OK, first of all, why are they on the show?
It's not exactly Beyoncé. Thank you.
Why are they on the show? So before we dive into this, I
would like to say that I think that production did an excellent
job of finding extremely, extremely dramatic an extremely
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dramatic couple. Or at least she is.
I think she's going to be reallygood TV, though.
I also wonder if she's going to be the next Jasmine with her
crying. That's exactly my thought.
She's got, she's got Jasmine energy.
She goes to the 100 very, very quickly on the dramatic scale.
Well, who are these people? They've been living together as
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a married couple three years. They have one child.
She's been in the US for a long,long time.
She was there previous to her marriage.
Clearly. She runs her own business.
It's thriving. She's made a great life for
herself. She's very successful.
However, this great lifestyle isalso incredibly overwhelming for
both her and her husband. And they're on the point where
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they need to change things, otherwise they're going to get
divorced. So they decide to move back to
France. This brings up all kinds of
questions, practical things likeAnthony doesn't speak French.
He has to learn he's going to become the breadwinner when they
go to France. What's he going to do?
They said he works in security or insecurities.
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I couldn't figure that out. Do you know?
I'm not entirely sure she's. Going to take over the parenting
which he's been doing up to thispoint.
Her business, she says she's going to work part time when
they moved to France for a while.
But doing that really marketing as opposed to the modeling
because I think it was the modeling that was taking up so
much time, OK. Fair enough.
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But what about this marketing business?
Is she going to sell it? Is somebody helping her?
Because it seems to me like thatis a huge undertaking in of
itself and. We're going to live marketing.
I think it's the the clothing orthe.
Oh, yeah. OK.
They're going to live with a larger company because they did,
I think she did say that or she said that they sought her out.
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So I think she's become established within that company
and she might be able to kind ofwiggle her way through to a part
time marketing position. I got the impression that her
business is her own and she is not hired by anybody else.
When she's doing the modeling, she's working for a modeling
company or agency, but when she's doing her marketing stuff,
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that's just her. Again I feel.
It's hard to be. We're just getting like,
sprinkle bits of salt. Yeah, it's very complicated
because now we've got this problem of, OK, well, they're
going to France to live, which is fantastic because there's
better things there for daycare,schooling, all of that is.
Healthcare. Yes, all of that is free, so
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that's a huge relief to them financially.
But then there's a culture in France of body shaming fat
people. She left in order to escape
that, and now she's returning toit.
So how is? She going to cope and not just
that but her entire family is the same way and they're
planning on living with her family living rent free.
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How is that going to work? How?
How? Like with your mental health,
how is that going to work? And also, why do you think that
moving back to France is going to solve all of your issues if
the issue is that you both work work, work, work, work?
She works, he's doing the child caring.
No no no sorry that was awful ofme to say.
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She did say that she works a tonand he is the sole parent so
they both work super hard. I thought that was something
pretty poignant for her to pointout.
She wasn't demeaning him as being a stay at home dad, She
was acknowledging how much work it is for him to, you know, keep
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up the house and make sure the kids alive and healthy.
I thought that was really beautiful though.
At what point do you just say I'm going to cut back my hours
and spend more time with my family as opposed to uprooting
my entire family and moving all the way to a different continent
where her body isn't appreciatednor is she appreciated as a
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human being by her family? This is exactly the crux of
their problem. Are they escaping one problem
only to land in a in a new problem in a different location?
Yes. I don't feel like they've really
thought this through well, I think.
That that's one of their biggestfailures is their lack of
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thought because she said that they started dating and they
moved in within like a month andwithin what I don't think I
wrote down the entire time. Six months later at the bought a
house and then a few months later they were pregnant.
Yeah, so everything. Married, had the baby, so
everything's moving so quickly and so is this move she decided
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or? She tells her friends that they
decided a couple weeks ago that they're moving to France.
They haven't told anyone until now.
They've already sold the house. Good for them.
They made over $800,000 on that house.
And she's what? No, this is where I had a huge,
huge problem. You know so much more about
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real. Estate than I do, they sold the
house for 800,000, I think it was 801.
The equity that they got out of that house was 85,000.
Then they had that yeah, 80. 5. $1000 and like how the hell did
you even get enough for a down payment if all the equity that's
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left in your house after living there for three years is so
small? I don't understand at all.
They have a tiny, tiny bit of money.
Then they have this car that still has a huge loan on it that
they sell. Then they still have to pay
something like 16 or $17,000 back to the car leasing company.
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So they've lost money on the car, which brings their total
down to $70,000 in their pocket with which to start their new
life in France. Which is ridiculously.
Small when she's going to be working part time.
Possibly he still has to look for a job in a country where he
doesn't speak the language. At least they're going to be
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living rent free. The other.
Thing that I wanted to mention about this money situation is
she's been describing how successful she is in her
business. That's wonderful.
However, I question that based on the amount of money that they
actually were able to put down onto their mortgage.
And also when we talked to the couple about how they view
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money, she definitely has an issue with money.
She always feels like they don'thave enough and she doesn't want
to lower her standards. So that screams to me of
somebody who was used to spending a lot, which now makes
sense in in light of the whole financial situation regards
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regarding the. House in the equity situation,
yes. If you will, yeah.
That makes that makes a lot of sense.
We see them meet with his familyand I thought it was beautiful
how he actually stood up for hiswife and he said this is our
decision. But I also kind of appreciated
his sister-in-law. Who said sister?
Was it his sister? Oh, that makes her.
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Brother and brother-in-law. Yeah, that makes one more sense
why she was so. Vocal.
I was like, exactly, I know onlya sister.
Only a sister would dare to speak like that.
And she said you are putting a Band-Aid on a bullet hole.
Why don't they try counseling first?
Why don't they try adjusting their lifestyle first?
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No, they make these grandiose decisions, impulsive decisions,
or at least she does. And he just goes along with
them. I don't know.
I can't get a handle on him right now.
But she's completely not really over the top.
And I think that this is going to make for great TV, although I
think it's going to irritate thehell out of me with just the
sheer amount that she is. She's cried already again with
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Jasmine. Like no I don't.
I don't need to see this. Yeah, I'm on the same page with
you. I have a bad feeling about how
over the top she's going to be this season.
I'm not sure if I'll be able to handle it.
Anthony, on the other hand, I really like Anthony.
I found that he's very much focused on well-being, on mental
health, on the relationship health, the happy marriage,
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happy family. Compassion.
Kindness. He's.
All in it for the right reasons and she has more focus on money
and having things. I see that as a point of
contention that's probably goingto come up more than once this
season, as well as everything todo with the body shaming and
adjusting to life in France. But I have hope that it's going
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to be okay with this couple to watch them, that it's not going
to turn into a Gino and Jasmine situation because he is so well
grounded and I do think he has pretty good communication on his
side. I'm more worried about the
Jasmine situation with the crying because there again,
there was so much crying in thisepisode and it was like even
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when she was talking with her model friends, we're we're
moving to fret as if it's like the worst thing that's ever
happened. Like she didn't sound confident
about any of it. I'm like, OK, this is going to
be another disaster. So that's two disasters in a
row. OK, great.
Not a good start for this seasonbut also.
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Maybe. Let's read on.
Next up are Jenny. Jenny is now 67.
And Sumeet. Sweet Sumeet, who is 36, they
are in India and yes, of course they are married.
They've been on 5000 seasons of 90 Day Fiance so we know them
well. I've always had a spot, a soft
spot for the two of these because their relationship is
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just so otherworldly with the with the age gap, with the
culture difference and just their entire story.
You know, she comes to visit, she becomes like really good
friends with his mom, Sadhna. And then all of a sudden she
finds out that they're in a relationship and now it's just
an explosion. And then Jenny leaves her entire
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life to be with Sue Meade and and she finds out that he's
married and it was a forced man.Like it's their entire
relationship is just incredible.So I'm not mad to see them
again, though I feel like what we've seen so far in this very
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short first episode, it's just going to be the same old shit,
yeah. That's my feeling too.
It's just going to be the conflict between Jenny and
Sadhna, Samit's mom. We've seen this so many times.
When Jenny said that they'd beentogether for 15 years, I was
really taken aback. That does seem like such a long
time for this couple of since they've met.
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Like I think she was dating it back to when they actually met
online. When it was still.
You mean on the phone? Fishing her and so she didn't
actually know what he looked like.
But anyway, it's been a long time.
The family has known about this for a long time.
You would expect that they've all been able to deal with their
issues, but it looks like they're setting us up for
exactly the same plot that we'vehad over and over again.
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And you know when they have thatinitial interview and Sumeet is
saying that my mom has finally accepted her into the family and
he looks at Jenny and like she loves see it.
The look on his moms face was pure vitriol.
And my first thought was she knows how old Jenny is and when
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you when you see her walk aroundlike she's not, she's not.
So she's probably just waiting for Jenny to croak so then she
can swoop in and then have another arranged marriage for
sue me so she can actually have those grandkids that she wants.
That's why she's playing nice right now, but she's also not
going to play too. Nice.
No, no, I think we're in for a world of fighting, yelling,
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screaming as these women try, asthese women try to adjust with
having so many people under the same roof.
The culture, they're definitely is very hierarchical.
Obviously the man is the head ofthe household, whatever and but
the oldest woman within the household is the leader, the
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queen. So Jenny's going to have to deal
with like being a child. It's a parent child relationship
where it's mom is going to be telling Jenny what to do and how
to do it, and Jenny is just going to have to suck it up and
do it. Even though she's 67 years old
and she's used to, of course, being an independent person who
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can decide what time she wakes up and decide when she's going
to clean and what she's going toeat.
Not anymore. But she already got a taste of
the life when they first moved to India.
And his mom comes over, and she's like, you're not sleeping
right. You're not ordering the pots
right on the shelf, and you're not doing anything right.
Like, at what point did she think that this was going to get
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better? And this is another one of
those. What did you?
Think was going to happen. I feel like we need to have like
a buzzer. What do you think was going to
happen? I don't know what happened to
Jenny's money because she did have a pension.
It was not a big one because remember she left a lot of that
money on the table by leaving her job early to move to India.
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But she did have a pension and at.
The younger age that she was at,yes.
And Summit did have a job. He lost his job.
They're in this financial crisis.
They can't afford to rent the apartment that they had any
more. They only had it for six months.
But why isn't Jenny able to work?
Why isn't I'm just not understanding why they don't
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have enough money and if they'venow decided to go on the show,
then wouldn't the show be givingthem a paycheck so that they can
still afford to live on their own?
Well, we've. We've seen how production does.
I wonder if the whole productionthing is, see me, you're going
to, you're going to lose your job, you're going to have to
move in with your parents. And then we're going to film the
drama. We're still going to pay you,
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but you can't move out. But, you know, even in, I think
it was the taxi or whatever, it just seemed as though that seems
to be like what he wanted to do.We're going to move in with my
parents and that's where we're going to be for the rest of our
lives. Oh, my God.
As if that hasn't been a conversation between the two of
them before. He is not going to drop that on
her on the way to moving there. I mean, maybe because, you know,
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he didn't drop the whole bomb ofOh yeah, by the way, I am
married. Oops.
Also, oops, we're going to stay and live with my mom for the
rest of our lives. And by the rest of our lives, I
mean the rest of your life, because my mom's going to poison
your food and you're going to die.
So I wouldn't put it past Sadna.I wouldn't put it past her.
She is a remarkable woman. It was quite something, the way
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that she started unpacking Jenny's things and going through
every little item and questioning why Jenny had it and
then giving it away or threatening to throw it in the
garbage like the alcohol. Yep, Yike, you know, I loved
when they went to the market andthey're like, we have to buy
things for the house, But why doyou have to buy things for the
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house? How many people already live at
the house? You already have things at your
house. Are you saying that you just
need bigger pots because you only have one hot stove?
Like what's the whole purpose ofyou having to buy things to move
in with someone who who has an established life and also coming
from an established life? What is this?
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And going back to what you were saying, when Sadhna was going
through all of her things, and Iloved the way that Jenny pulled
out the finger when Sadhna was trying to throw out her alcohol
and she's like, no, no, no, you will not do that because that's
exactly what Sadhna would have done.
And isn't she older than Sadhna?No, I don't think so.
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I think Sadhna is a little bit older, but just like a couple of
years. With a if anything.
With the finger. Jenny is famous for her finger
waggling. Just watch, we'll see it again.
Oh Lord. Let's read on.
Please do. Another familiar couple, Luke,
who is now 31 from California, and Madeline, who is now 20.
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Oh, she's so old. When we initially met her or
when he initially met her, she was 17.
Columbia, here we go again. He.
Found her on a dating site and Iwonder if she lied about her age
or if she didn't. I don't know what the laws are
down there, but anyway, they hooked up when she was underage
so this is 100% a grooming situation.
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This is absolutely and utterly disgusting thing Madeleine has
been. I mean, I don't even know what
her name is because I feel like every time her name comes out of
his mouth he changes the pronunciation thing.
Madeleine, whatever. Anyway, I just don't like her as
a human being. She's so irritating and when we
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first see her, she's doing her pageant performance and she
gives that speech and was like, and I also thank myself.
Whatever she said beyond that, Iwas like, oh Hells, Nah, I am
not listening to that. So are we supposed to assume
that her beauty business remember Beau T?
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How is she still making money? Or is the beauty queen pageant
queen thing now her sole source of income?
Which would be ridiculous because it's mostly in an
outpouring of income, not an incoming.
We have seen through Jasmine howexpensive these pageants are, so
where is this money? Coming from he's been working
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out as a mining engineer, which is the job he had before.
But remember, he was fired from it because he left so many times
to go on vacation to Columbia that they said get out of here.
Yeah. So he talked about working for
as a mining engineer again. So he got his job back or he
went to another company or something.
And yet he still has all of these failed other businesses.
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I also remember from last year that he, it wasn't just, it just
wasn't just the jewelry and the sunglasses.
He had all kinds of other littleenterprises that he was trying
to start up. And they, between he and
Madeleine, they also had that, like, tourism business where
they're like, they were trying to give tours, luxury tours.
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And how we laughed heartily about that because that was
after they were finished with the show.
Yeah. And what about the apartment
that they had before? Is she still living in that
very, very expensive apartment? Yes.
No, we don't know. Where's her dog that he bought
for her? I don't know, but now he's
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bought another apartment. Has he?
Yes. Tell me I missed this.
What apartment he bought? A new apartment or like an
apartment complex? Or he bought something.
He bought land, he bought land, he bought land on which to build
the resort. There is nothing there.
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He has to build a resort, the luxury resort that is going to
become his sole source of income.
Like how many millions of dollars do you need in order to
construct this business from theground up?
Because when he was talking to his dad, we'll get to him,
daddy, But I thought he bought like an actual apartment and he
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was trying to renovate it the same way that, I don't know, one
of the other husbands did. I think it was Guillermo.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I thought that's what it
was. I hadn't realized that it was
just land, but he did say if I didn't buy it at that point, it
would have disappeared. And we all know with property
there will always be another, but he had to buy this one.
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OK great. Oh my God this just drives me
nuts. Are both so friggin stupid.
But before we move on, I would like to say that when they were
going through like their historyand you know how they met and
whatever. She looks so much better as a
brunette. I was really surprised to see
that. I mean, I assume that she was a
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natural brunette based on her roots, but she just looks so
much better with. Did she have blonde hair last
season? She's always had blonde hair.
I I totally pictured her with brown hair from last year.
I don't know why. I don't think so.
I mean, maybe I'm wrong again. Maybe I was drinking last night.
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I was not. She's so ridiculous wanting the
helicopter entrance for the wedding, telling him to buy new
shoes even though he just boughtnew shoes.
And they were great. They were great.
And his dad, again, his dad saidthat they were excellent shoes,
why do you need to buy new ones?And Oh no, because brown shoes
are ugly. Or I think she said Brown is
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ugly. Which?
Yes, I think which really perpetuated the whole blonde
hair thing. OK child.
But before that he said that he went and he got her name
tattooed beside his penis. Those are his words, yes.
Why did you feel the need to sayit that way as opposed to saying
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in the groin area on my on my hip?
It's on his hip. Exactly.
I know. It's a very interesting turn of
phrase. And we did know this from last
season because there was that infamous, infamous scene where
they where they blurred his buttbut forgot to blur his penis in
the mirror of reflecting in front of him.
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OK, Yeah. So they showed us another,
another shot of the tattooed name on the hip.
Why? Why would you say next to my
penis? That's just so gross.
I think it's because it's all about ownership.
Because she owns it, it is hers,which made it that much more
gross. So the fact that he was leaning
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into it was just like, you're both disgusting.
I feel like we haven't said anything positive so far this
season. I said that Manon and Anthony
might be good to watch. I said that I have always had a
soft spot for Jenny and Summit. Those are two things, OK.
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OK, we'll stick with those. Going back to the shoes, he
doesn't want to ruin her weddingwith his shoes, that's why he's
buying new ones. And like, quite legit.
If that's the last straw for her, then why are you getting
married to her? Because you're obsessed with her
looking like a child. He's completely and utterly out
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to lunch. But you know who's not out to
lunch? But he probably needs to go to
lunch. Is Dad Dad?
Where did the Australian accent come from?
Was that Australian? Was that New Zealand?
British? What?
It was a British accent. That.
Was not yes, well, you. Would know being British
yourself but the whole time I'm just like I had no idea it was
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from Australia. No, I'm second guessing myself,
but in the moment I was like, oh, he's got an English dad, how
come we didn't hear about his English family history before?
I, I am not confident in my position at this point, but I'm
just saying, in my perception oflast night's episode, I thought
that he was Australian and that really caught me by surprise.
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But what really caught me more by surprise with the fact that
he was so dumbfounded with how stupid his kid was.
It is what are you doing with your money?
Where is your money? Why are you buying a new pair of
shoes? Like just completely, not only
on point. And he was just like, I like,
what did I teach this kid? I taught this kid apparently
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nothing so he was like almost taking it upon himself with how
stupid his kid is. And that makes me wonder,
where's Luke's mom? Well.
I think Luke was living in his mom's garage.
Remember last season when he went back to the California
after he'd been in Columbia for a while?
He talked about how he had to move into his mom's garage
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because he couldn't afford an apartment anymore.
He had so little money left after all those bad investments
in the jewelry, sunglasses, thisthing.
And probably paying for his girlfriend's extensions and
nails. That was, I think that's one
word that she didn't say this episode.
It looked to me like when they were filming Luke on his own, he
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was in the garage. It was kind of like a nice
interior, but still did not looklike a real apartment.
Better than Rob's place, let's just say that.
I think anything would be betterthan Rob's place, but can we
also say may Rob's dog rest in peace?
Oh, did he die? Oh, I'm sad.
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Yeah, I saw a post about that the other day.
As shitty as Rob is, no dog deserves to live in that kind of
environment. No dog deserves to live with
that kind of human being. I don't know how well or how he
did as a dog parent. I assume probably he treated the
dog as well as he treated himself, which was not well, but
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at least the dog had more opportunities.
To pay. Returning back to the show, I
love Dad as well. I love the fact that he was
pointing out how Luke can get very easily distracted by the
the next big shiny thing idea that he has.
And so so he doesn't tend to follow through with his
projects, which has led to some financial missteps.
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Well, yes, very poor decisions. Disasters is probably a better
word. Yeah, he almost tells us.
My son makes stupid decisions financially speaking.
But I I think you could say thatLuke is making some very stupid
decisions in other areas of his life as well, not just
financially speaking, because ofthis relationship with
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Madeleine, which just feels icky.
I feel like his dad has really thrown up his hands at this
point. And he was like, there's nothing
I can do. This kid is not listening to me.
He has a mind of his own, even though he has absolutely, like,
maybe one brain cell. Yeah, which is more than what
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his girlfriend has. But it's just so ridiculous to
watch the two of them. I, I mean, I can kind of see why
they would cast them again because they are that
ridiculous. But at the same time, they're
not giving us anything. They're not giving us hope.
And isn't that why we started watching the whole 90 Day Fiance
franchise at first is, you know,to see the hope, to see the
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love, to see the development andnot so much the disasters.
Like, if we want to watch disasters, there are a hell of a
lot of other shows that we couldbe watching.
Yeah, Luke and Madeleine give methe ick.
And it's because of the fact that he groomed her from the age
of 17. He was 28 when they met.
And this relationship is just yucky on so many levels.
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It's very difficult for me to watch.
Yeah, and I'll leave it there. I would not be opposed to not
talking about them in the future.
You know how we have exiled several couples previously.
We can talk about that separately, but I would not be
opposed to that. Well, let's see who else we get,
because next week I assume we might meet some more new couples
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and with any luck, those people will make a smile.
Did you hear that? I did.
I think Scotch is telling. Me.
Tell me another one. I think he's saying let's hope
so. Well, that's a lovely sentiment.
Let's close on that beautiful thought.
Thank you Scotch. Before we go, if you're enjoying
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Thanks everyone. See you next week.
Hi Amy Happy. Are you ready for a new season
of The Other Way? I was, and then it wasn't.
Oh no, this is the other way. Season 7 and today we're talking
about Episode 1. Episode 1 and new couples yay
is. It a yay?
I'm not sure yet, I'm still on the fence about this one.
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And before we dive in, let's quickly do a 1 and 2 one rate
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And two, watch us on YouTube at 90 Day Fiance.
Honestly, got some cat hair flying up your nose, I believe.
All right, let's go meet our couples, starting with a new
one, Chloe, who's 23, from Massachusetts, and her
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boyfriend. Pirate.
Is he a fiance? No.
I don't. I don't think so.
Question mark we. Have a lot of question marks Her
Jonathan, who's 32, lives in Aruba.
She's 23, yeah, with a 32 year old man.
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And they've been dating for. 11 months. 11 months.
Really. Oh God, I.
Had to keep rewinding that to make sure rewinding.
I had to keep rewinding that to like quadruple check that.
Yeah, she's so young. And what did you think of this
dramatic opening scene with the friend driving through the snow
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in the winter time? I've got to get there in time to
stop her. She's going to ruin her life.
I must save her. It almost felt like the
beginning of Alanis Morissette'smusic video for Ironic.
When she's just driving. And I don't know, I mean, she
wasn't dramatic at that point, but I just, I had that kind of
feeling and I'm like, she's a woman on a mission.
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This is so fun. I mean, we'll, we'll get to the
friend, but when Chloe was telling her back story, I was
like a competitive cheerleader. And she's like, look at all of
my accomplishments in this box. And that's not even all of them.
Like she's so full of herself it's gross.
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I don't mind the pride and accomplishments and I don't care
that she was a cheerleader. You and I have our own opinions
of of that, but that's that's anaside.
She had a thing that she was good at.
She's gotten awards for it good for.
Her and yes, I would think good for her, yes.
However, she is a self-describedtotal spoiled Princess who quote
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UN quote got everything I wanted.
These are problematic words for me.
Especially if she's going to move to Aruba.
Indeed, it doesn't pose quite a conundrum.
One of my first comments is wow this is going to work.
I love it. And then, Oh my God, eleven
months and moving. Wow.
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And then of course her mom is going to help her pack.
And she goes on about how her mom is her best friend Mike.
That is some of the most toxic shit that I've ever heard.
Your mom is your best friend because your mom has coddled you
your entire life. She's given you absolutely
everything. You've never had to work for a
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damn thing in your entire life, and now you're going to throw it
all away? She's 23.
She makes 6 figures. This was unbelievable, the part
about the relationship with the mom and how the mom has built up
a business and she's handed overthe reins of this business to
her daughter. Clearly the daughter is doing
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well with the business. So good for Chloe that she can
handle that at such a tender age.
But being handed all of this stuff and not having to work for
it, I also have issues with questions.
Let me say questions because noteverybody can take those gifts
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that they are handed as a young person.
Be grateful for it in the way that you would if you had had to
actually take the steps and do the stuff to get there yourself,
which clearly she hasn't becauseshe's only 23.
We did hear a mention of her going to school.
She probably went to college or something good, all excellent.
But again, I just feel like she has this predisposition towards
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winging it because of having hadthis history of other people
handing her stuff. And so she doesn't actually have
to do the work. And she thinks that's going to
fly in Aruba. At the same time though, you
know, as much as I poo poo on her being a cheerleader, she
obviously has many accolades which she is proof of in at
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least one banker's box. But there's a lot of work ethic
that goes into being so successful as an athlete.
And I don't want to undermine her athleticism and her success.
And I can clearly see how there's some transferable
skills, you know, her being diligent with her training, her
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showing up on time, watching herdiet carefully.
Because, I mean, we've all seen the documentaries about
cheerleaders and God forbid you gained a couple pounds.
So she has a lot of skills that can put her in a position where
she can be successful. And with her mom, you know,
building the business herself, she has a lot that she can teach
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her. So she has a mentor who she
obviously loves, she's very close with.
So she actually does have the ability to be really successful
even though she's been given everything.
Yeah. Does that make sense?
I don't question, I don't question that she has her own
abilities. What I question is the lack of
experience and the way that she has been given the employment
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successes to her without having to gain them herself.
And that's that could be a big deal, especially like she lives
at home with her mom. Do you have any experience
living on your own? Yet no.
How is that going to translate when you go to Aruba, which is a
very different living circumstance with this man of 32
that you barely know? I have questions.
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And what kind of? Financial knowledge does she
have? She purports to be successful in
her mom's business, though I wonder in what position because
I don't think it's finances. Like if this this 23 year old is
making six figures now you're going to give up a life of
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potentially absolute success, like financial success to give
it up for some random dude down in Aruba who you haven't even
known for very long. Well, let's talk about Jonathan
because that is the salient point.
Is she losing her marbles? What exactly is going on here?
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Because this guy works on a pirate ship, his job is to flirt
with women. Do you want to discuss Jennifer
and her advice? Well, first of all, I would like
to discuss Jennifer and her husband because she she says
that her husband grew up with Jonathan and I was like, Cesco,
come on, how, how does this happen?
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And why is she waiting until theabsolute last minute to pull
this? Maybe it's a production stunt, I
don't know. And then she drove 4 1/2 hours
to do this. She couldn't have done this over
Zoom. I just, I think her.
So going back to your question, I think her friends advice was
very sound. You have absolutely no idea what
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it's like for him down there. You absolutely cannot trust him.
Her situation is completely different because her husband
has moved to the states. They're married, they're
together. And he's no longer in an
environment where there's a constant stream of young women
who he has to flirt with. Right.
And let's look at Jessica and Juan.
Jessica did not trust him when he was on the cruise ship, and
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she refused to let him go back for very specific reasons.
Because that's where they hookedup.
Valid. So why is she moving down to
Aruba? To be with him in the
environment that perpetuates theflirtatiousness, the hookups,
the using. The opportunities, thank you
words, especially when she's earning such a huge salary. 1
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expects that what he's earning is not because it's Aruba and
he's basically I would imagine living off tips that's that
would be the bulk of his salary.So why is it that he is not
coming to the states? We know that he can travel to
the states because we find out from Jen that he cheated.
And then Chloe tells us a story of how Jonathan took a trip, a
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vacation to Florida with anotherwoman to celebrate her birthday.
So what the heck is going on here?
And then when Jen explains the bro culture in Aruba, where the
guys who work for the in the tourism industry all cover one
another's asses, give each otherexcuses and ways out so that if
they do have a girlfriend, they have somebody to back them up if
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they need a a cover story for cheating on them.
This is a bad, bad idea. And why is her mom not being the
voice of reason? How much has she shared with her
mom? Is this her mom's opportunity to
be like, go have fun, I will save you when you realize your
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mistakes? I mean, I think that that's more
likely than anything else at this point.
Well, mom could be a complete enabler who just allows her
daughter to do whatever she wants and never questions her
choices because why would she? I don't know.
We don't know enough yet, but sofar all signs point to this
being a complete and utter disaster, which of course
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everybody loves. This is the reason why we watch
the show. 1 of them. Yeah, I just, I don't love the
fact that there's the age difference with her being so
young, with her having her entire life given to her on a
silver platter and then her going to be with.
I'm not saying all men who work in the service industry in Aruba
are, but he sounds like an absolute degenerate.
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For him to take another woman toFlorida on vacation and to not
visit his girlfriend is absolutely ridiculous.
Like, what's his excuse? Oh, I thought we were in an open
relationship. I'm like, OK, Sean.
So I'm like I'm pulling in all these other.
People I know you are. The communication there is this
is going to be, as you said, an absolute disaster and I don't
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know if I'm here for it, don't know enough yet.
Yeah, I don't know. It's, it's really hard at this
point. I feel like I'm not going to
have enough sympathy for Chloe to feel like I'm on her side.
And I think that's maybe what's bothering me the most is that
there is not enough that's likable about her.
That has been shown and definitely nothing likable about
Jonathan since we all we know about him is is he's a flirt.
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He works on a pirate ship, he enjoys having the attention from
other women, and he has cheated on Chloe already, so it's it is
what it is. But if he's cheating on you
within the first four months of your relationship, I think
that's pretty telling. Like, I hate, I don't hate, but
I also hate to harp on the age difference, but it's because
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she's so young. There's a huge difference
between 23 and 32 versus 32 and 43.
Yes, huge, huge difference. Well.
We will talk about that some more a little bit later on, but
for now, shall we read on? I'd like to.
Let's talk about Mano, who's 32,from France, and her husband.
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Wow. Wow.
They're already married. Anthony, 33, from California.
OK, first of all, why are they on the show?
It's not exactly Beyoncé. Thank you.
Why are they on the show? So before we dive into this, I
would like to say that I think that production did an excellent
job of finding extremely, extremely dramatic an extremely
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dramatic couple. Or at least she is.
I think she's going to be reallygood TV, though.
I also wonder if she's going to be the next Jasmine with her
crying. That's exactly my thought.
She's got, she's got Jasmine energy.
She goes to the 100 very, very quickly on the dramatic scale.
Well, who are these people? They've been living together as
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a married couple three years. They have one child.
She's been in the US for a long,long time.
She was there previous to her marriage.
Clearly. She runs her own business.
It's thriving. She's made a great life for
herself. She's very successful.
However, this great lifestyle isalso incredibly overwhelming for
both her and her husband. And they're on the point where
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they need to change things, otherwise they're going to get
divorced. So they decide to move back to
France. This brings up all kinds of
questions, practical things likeAnthony doesn't speak French.
He has to learn he's going to become the breadwinner when they
go to France. What's he going to do?
They said he works in security or insecurities.
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I couldn't figure that out. Do you know?
I'm not entirely sure she's. Going to take over the parenting
which he's been doing up to thispoint.
Her business, she says she's going to work part time when
they moved to France for a while.
But doing that really marketing as opposed to the modeling
because I think it was the modeling that was taking up so
much time, OK. Fair enough.
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But what about this marketing business?
Is she going to sell it? Is somebody helping her?
Because it seems to me like thatis a huge undertaking in of
itself and. We're going to live marketing.
I think it's the the clothing orthe.
Oh, yeah. OK.
They're going to live with a larger company because they did,
I think she did say that or she said that they sought her out.
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So I think she's become established within that company
and she might be able to kind ofwiggle her way through to a part
time marketing position. I got the impression that her
business is her own and she is not hired by anybody else.
When she's doing the modeling, she's working for a modeling
company or agency, but when she's doing her marketing stuff,
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that's just her. Again I feel.
It's hard to be. We're just getting like,
sprinkle bits of salt. Yeah, it's very complicated
because now we've got this problem of, OK, well, they're
going to France to live, which is fantastic because there's
better things there for daycare,schooling, all of that is.
Healthcare. Yes, all of that is free, so
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that's a huge relief to them financially.
But then there's a culture in France of body shaming fat
people. She left in order to escape
that, and now she's returning toit.
So how is? She going to cope and not just
that but her entire family is the same way and they're
planning on living with her family living rent free.
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How is that going to work? How?
How? Like with your mental health,
how is that going to work? And also, why do you think that
moving back to France is going to solve all of your issues if
the issue is that you both work work, work, work, work?
She works, he's doing the child caring.
No no no sorry that was awful ofme to say.
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She did say that she works a tonand he is the sole parent so
they both work super hard. I thought that was something
pretty poignant for her to pointout.
She wasn't demeaning him as being a stay at home dad, She
was acknowledging how much work it is for him to, you know, keep
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up the house and make sure the kids alive and healthy.
I thought that was really beautiful though.
At what point do you just say I'm going to cut back my hours
and spend more time with my family as opposed to uprooting
my entire family and moving all the way to a different continent
where her body isn't appreciatednor is she appreciated as a
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human being by her family? This is exactly the crux of
their problem. Are they escaping one problem
only to land in a in a new problem in a different location?
Yes. I don't feel like they've really
thought this through well, I think.
That that's one of their biggestfailures is their lack of
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thought because she said that they started dating and they
moved in within like a month andwithin what I don't think I
wrote down the entire time. Six months later at the bought a
house and then a few months later they were pregnant.
Yeah, so everything. Married, had the baby, so
everything's moving so quickly and so is this move she decided
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or? She tells her friends that they
decided a couple weeks ago that they're moving to France.
They haven't told anyone until now.
They've already sold the house. Good for them.
They made over $800,000 on that house.
And she's what? No, this is where I had a huge,
huge problem. You know so much more about
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real. Estate than I do, they sold the
house for 800,000, I think it was 801.
The equity that they got out of that house was 85,000.
Then they had that yeah, 80. 5. $1000 and like how the hell did
you even get enough for a down payment if all the equity that's
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left in your house after living there for three years is so
small? I don't understand at all.
They have a tiny, tiny bit of money.
Then they have this car that still has a huge loan on it that
they sell. Then they still have to pay
something like 16 or $17,000 back to the car leasing company.
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So they've lost money on the car, which brings their total
down to $70,000 in their pocket with which to start their new
life in France. Which is ridiculously.
Small when she's going to be working part time.
Possibly he still has to look for a job in a country where he
doesn't speak the language. At least they're going to be
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living rent free. The other.
Thing that I wanted to mention about this money situation is
she's been describing how successful she is in her
business. That's wonderful.
However, I question that based on the amount of money that they
actually were able to put down onto their mortgage.
And also when we talked to the couple about how they view
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money, she definitely has an issue with money.
She always feels like they don'thave enough and she doesn't want
to lower her standards. So that screams to me of
somebody who was used to spending a lot, which now makes
sense in in light of the whole financial situation regards
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regarding the. House in the equity situation,
yes. If you will, yeah.
That makes that makes a lot of sense.
We see them meet with his familyand I thought it was beautiful
how he actually stood up for hiswife and he said this is our
decision. But I also kind of appreciated
his sister-in-law. Who said sister?
Was it his sister? Oh, that makes her.
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Brother and brother-in-law. Yeah, that makes one more sense
why she was so. Vocal.
I was like, exactly, I know onlya sister.
Only a sister would dare to speak like that.
And she said you are putting a Band-Aid on a bullet hole.
Why don't they try counseling first?
Why don't they try adjusting their lifestyle first?
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No, they make these grandiose decisions, impulsive decisions,
or at least she does. And he just goes along with
them. I don't know.
I can't get a handle on him right now.
But she's completely not really over the top.
And I think that this is going to make for great TV, although I
think it's going to irritate thehell out of me with just the
sheer amount that she is. She's cried already again with
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Jasmine. Like no I don't.
I don't need to see this. Yeah, I'm on the same page with
you. I have a bad feeling about how
over the top she's going to be this season.
I'm not sure if I'll be able to handle it.
Anthony, on the other hand, I really like Anthony.
I found that he's very much focused on well-being, on mental
health, on the relationship health, the happy marriage,
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happy family. Compassion.
Kindness. He's.
All in it for the right reasons and she has more focus on money
and having things. I see that as a point of
contention that's probably goingto come up more than once this
season, as well as everything todo with the body shaming and
adjusting to life in France. But I have hope that it's going
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to be okay with this couple to watch them, that it's not going
to turn into a Gino and Jasmine situation because he is so well
grounded and I do think he has pretty good communication on his
side. I'm more worried about the
Jasmine situation with the crying because there again,
there was so much crying in thisepisode and it was like even
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when she was talking with her model friends, we're we're
moving to fret as if it's like the worst thing that's ever
happened. Like she didn't sound confident
about any of it. I'm like, OK, this is going to
be another disaster. So that's two disasters in a
row. OK, great.
Not a good start for this seasonbut also.
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Maybe. Let's read on.
Next up are Jenny. Jenny is now 67.
And Sumeet. Sweet Sumeet, who is 36, they
are in India and yes, of course they are married.
They've been on 5000 seasons of 90 Day Fiance so we know them
well. I've always had a spot, a soft
spot for the two of these because their relationship is
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just so otherworldly with the with the age gap, with the
culture difference and just their entire story.
You know, she comes to visit, she becomes like really good
friends with his mom, Sadhna. And then all of a sudden she
finds out that they're in a relationship and now it's just
an explosion. And then Jenny leaves her entire
(22:30):
life to be with Sue Meade and and she finds out that he's
married and it was a forced man.Like it's their entire
relationship is just incredible.So I'm not mad to see them
again, though I feel like what we've seen so far in this very
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short first episode, it's just going to be the same old shit,
yeah. That's my feeling too.
It's just going to be the conflict between Jenny and
Sadhna, Samit's mom. We've seen this so many times.
When Jenny said that they'd beentogether for 15 years, I was
really taken aback. That does seem like such a long
time for this couple of since they've met.
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Like I think she was dating it back to when they actually met
online. When it was still.
You mean on the phone? Fishing her and so she didn't
actually know what he looked like.
But anyway, it's been a long time.
The family has known about this for a long time.
You would expect that they've all been able to deal with their
issues, but it looks like they're setting us up for
exactly the same plot that we'vehad over and over again.
(23:36):
And you know when they have thatinitial interview and Sumeet is
saying that my mom has finally accepted her into the family and
he looks at Jenny and like she loves see it.
The look on his moms face was pure vitriol.
And my first thought was she knows how old Jenny is and when
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you when you see her walk aroundlike she's not, she's not.
So she's probably just waiting for Jenny to croak so then she
can swoop in and then have another arranged marriage for
sue me so she can actually have those grandkids that she wants.
That's why she's playing nice right now, but she's also not
going to play too. Nice.
No, no, I think we're in for a world of fighting, yelling,
(24:22):
screaming as these women try, asthese women try to adjust with
having so many people under the same roof.
The culture, they're definitely is very hierarchical.
Obviously the man is the head ofthe household, whatever and but
the oldest woman within the household is the leader, the
(24:43):
queen. So Jenny's going to have to deal
with like being a child. It's a parent child relationship
where it's mom is going to be telling Jenny what to do and how
to do it, and Jenny is just going to have to suck it up and
do it. Even though she's 67 years old
and she's used to, of course, being an independent person who
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can decide what time she wakes up and decide when she's going
to clean and what she's going toeat.
Not anymore. But she already got a taste of
the life when they first moved to India.
And his mom comes over, and she's like, you're not sleeping
right. You're not ordering the pots
right on the shelf, and you're not doing anything right.
Like, at what point did she think that this was going to get
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better? And this is another one of
those. What did you?
Think was going to happen. I feel like we need to have like
a buzzer. What do you think was going to
happen? I don't know what happened to
Jenny's money because she did have a pension.
It was not a big one because remember she left a lot of that
money on the table by leaving her job early to move to India.
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But she did have a pension and at.
The younger age that she was at,yes.
And Summit did have a job. He lost his job.
They're in this financial crisis.
They can't afford to rent the apartment that they had any
more. They only had it for six months.
But why isn't Jenny able to work?
Why isn't I'm just not understanding why they don't
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have enough money and if they'venow decided to go on the show,
then wouldn't the show be givingthem a paycheck so that they can
still afford to live on their own?
Well, we've. We've seen how production does.
I wonder if the whole productionthing is, see me, you're going
to, you're going to lose your job, you're going to have to
move in with your parents. And then we're going to film the
drama. We're still going to pay you,
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but you can't move out. But, you know, even in, I think
it was the taxi or whatever, it just seemed as though that seems
to be like what he wanted to do.We're going to move in with my
parents and that's where we're going to be for the rest of our
lives. Oh, my God.
As if that hasn't been a conversation between the two of
them before. He is not going to drop that on
her on the way to moving there. I mean, maybe because, you know,
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he didn't drop the whole bomb ofOh yeah, by the way, I am
married. Oops.
Also, oops, we're going to stay and live with my mom for the
rest of our lives. And by the rest of our lives, I
mean the rest of your life, because my mom's going to poison
your food and you're going to die.
So I wouldn't put it past Sadna.I wouldn't put it past her.
She is a remarkable woman. It was quite something, the way
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that she started unpacking Jenny's things and going through
every little item and questioning why Jenny had it and
then giving it away or threatening to throw it in the
garbage like the alcohol. Yep, Yike, you know, I loved
when they went to the market andthey're like, we have to buy
things for the house, But why doyou have to buy things for the
(27:41):
house? How many people already live at
the house? You already have things at your
house. Are you saying that you just
need bigger pots because you only have one hot stove?
Like what's the whole purpose ofyou having to buy things to move
in with someone who who has an established life and also coming
from an established life? What is this?
(28:02):
And going back to what you were saying, when Sadhna was going
through all of her things, and Iloved the way that Jenny pulled
out the finger when Sadhna was trying to throw out her alcohol
and she's like, no, no, no, you will not do that because that's
exactly what Sadhna would have done.
And isn't she older than Sadhna?No, I don't think so.
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I think Sadhna is a little bit older, but just like a couple of
years. With a if anything.
With the finger. Jenny is famous for her finger
waggling. Just watch, we'll see it again.
Oh Lord. Let's read on.
Please do. Another familiar couple, Luke,
who is now 31 from California, and Madeline, who is now 20.
(28:49):
Oh, she's so old. When we initially met her or
when he initially met her, she was 17.
Columbia, here we go again. He.
Found her on a dating site and Iwonder if she lied about her age
or if she didn't. I don't know what the laws are
down there, but anyway, they hooked up when she was underage
so this is 100% a grooming situation.
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This is absolutely and utterly disgusting thing Madeleine has
been. I mean, I don't even know what
her name is because I feel like every time her name comes out of
his mouth he changes the pronunciation thing.
Madeleine, whatever. Anyway, I just don't like her as
a human being. She's so irritating and when we
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first see her, she's doing her pageant performance and she
gives that speech and was like, and I also thank myself.
Whatever she said beyond that, Iwas like, oh Hells, Nah, I am
not listening to that. So are we supposed to assume
that her beauty business remember Beau T?
(29:55):
How is she still making money? Or is the beauty queen pageant
queen thing now her sole source of income?
Which would be ridiculous because it's mostly in an
outpouring of income, not an incoming.
We have seen through Jasmine howexpensive these pageants are, so
where is this money? Coming from he's been working
(30:16):
out as a mining engineer, which is the job he had before.
But remember, he was fired from it because he left so many times
to go on vacation to Columbia that they said get out of here.
Yeah. So he talked about working for
as a mining engineer again. So he got his job back or he
went to another company or something.
And yet he still has all of these failed other businesses.
(30:38):
I also remember from last year that he, it wasn't just, it just
wasn't just the jewelry and the sunglasses.
He had all kinds of other littleenterprises that he was trying
to start up. And they, between he and
Madeleine, they also had that, like, tourism business where
they're like, they were trying to give tours, luxury tours.
(31:00):
And how we laughed heartily about that because that was
after they were finished with the show.
Yeah. And what about the apartment
that they had before? Is she still living in that
very, very expensive apartment? Yes.
No, we don't know. Where's her dog that he bought
for her? I don't know, but now he's
(31:20):
bought another apartment. Has he?
Yes. Tell me I missed this.
What apartment he bought? A new apartment or like an
apartment complex? Or he bought something.
He bought land, he bought land, he bought land on which to build
the resort. There is nothing there.
(31:40):
He has to build a resort, the luxury resort that is going to
become his sole source of income.
Like how many millions of dollars do you need in order to
construct this business from theground up?
Because when he was talking to his dad, we'll get to him,
daddy, But I thought he bought like an actual apartment and he
(32:02):
was trying to renovate it the same way that, I don't know, one
of the other husbands did. I think it was Guillermo.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I thought that's what it
was. I hadn't realized that it was
just land, but he did say if I didn't buy it at that point, it
would have disappeared. And we all know with property
there will always be another, but he had to buy this one.
(32:26):
OK great. Oh my God this just drives me
nuts. Are both so friggin stupid.
But before we move on, I would like to say that when they were
going through like their historyand you know how they met and
whatever. She looks so much better as a
brunette. I was really surprised to see
that. I mean, I assume that she was a
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natural brunette based on her roots, but she just looks so
much better with. Did she have blonde hair last
season? She's always had blonde hair.
I I totally pictured her with brown hair from last year.
I don't know why. I don't think so.
I mean, maybe I'm wrong again. Maybe I was drinking last night.
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I was not. She's so ridiculous wanting the
helicopter entrance for the wedding, telling him to buy new
shoes even though he just boughtnew shoes.
And they were great. They were great.
And his dad, again, his dad saidthat they were excellent shoes,
why do you need to buy new ones?And Oh no, because brown shoes
are ugly. Or I think she said Brown is
(33:30):
ugly. Which?
Yes, I think which really perpetuated the whole blonde
hair thing. OK child.
But before that he said that he went and he got her name
tattooed beside his penis. Those are his words, yes.
Why did you feel the need to sayit that way as opposed to saying
(33:54):
in the groin area on my on my hip?
It's on his hip. Exactly.
I know. It's a very interesting turn of
phrase. And we did know this from last
season because there was that infamous, infamous scene where
they where they blurred his buttbut forgot to blur his penis in
the mirror of reflecting in front of him.
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OK, Yeah. So they showed us another,
another shot of the tattooed name on the hip.
Why? Why would you say next to my
penis? That's just so gross.
I think it's because it's all about ownership.
Because she owns it, it is hers,which made it that much more
gross. So the fact that he was leaning
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into it was just like, you're both disgusting.
I feel like we haven't said anything positive so far this
season. I said that Manon and Anthony
might be good to watch. I said that I have always had a
soft spot for Jenny and Summit. Those are two things, OK.
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OK, we'll stick with those. Going back to the shoes, he
doesn't want to ruin her weddingwith his shoes, that's why he's
buying new ones. And like, quite legit.
If that's the last straw for her, then why are you getting
married to her? Because you're obsessed with her
looking like a child. He's completely and utterly out
(35:17):
to lunch. But you know who's not out to
lunch? But he probably needs to go to
lunch. Is Dad Dad?
Where did the Australian accent come from?
Was that Australian? Was that New Zealand?
British? What?
It was a British accent. That.
Was not yes, well, you. Would know being British
yourself but the whole time I'm just like I had no idea it was
(35:41):
from Australia. No, I'm second guessing myself,
but in the moment I was like, oh, he's got an English dad, how
come we didn't hear about his English family history before?
I, I am not confident in my position at this point, but I'm
just saying, in my perception oflast night's episode, I thought
that he was Australian and that really caught me by surprise.
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But what really caught me more by surprise with the fact that
he was so dumbfounded with how stupid his kid was.
It is what are you doing with your money?
Where is your money? Why are you buying a new pair of
shoes? Like just completely, not only
on point. And he was just like, I like,
what did I teach this kid? I taught this kid apparently
(36:27):
nothing so he was like almost taking it upon himself with how
stupid his kid is. And that makes me wonder,
where's Luke's mom? Well.
I think Luke was living in his mom's garage.
Remember last season when he went back to the California
after he'd been in Columbia for a while?
He talked about how he had to move into his mom's garage
(36:50):
because he couldn't afford an apartment anymore.
He had so little money left after all those bad investments
in the jewelry, sunglasses, thisthing.
And probably paying for his girlfriend's extensions and
nails. That was, I think that's one
word that she didn't say this episode.
It looked to me like when they were filming Luke on his own, he
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was in the garage. It was kind of like a nice
interior, but still did not looklike a real apartment.
Better than Rob's place, let's just say that.
I think anything would be betterthan Rob's place, but can we
also say may Rob's dog rest in peace?
Oh, did he die? Oh, I'm sad.
(37:33):
Yeah, I saw a post about that the other day.
As shitty as Rob is, no dog deserves to live in that kind of
environment. No dog deserves to live with
that kind of human being. I don't know how well or how he
did as a dog parent. I assume probably he treated the
dog as well as he treated himself, which was not well, but
(37:54):
at least the dog had more opportunities.
To pay. Returning back to the show, I
love Dad as well. I love the fact that he was
pointing out how Luke can get very easily distracted by the
the next big shiny thing idea that he has.
And so so he doesn't tend to follow through with his
projects, which has led to some financial missteps.
(38:20):
Well, yes, very poor decisions. Disasters is probably a better
word. Yeah, he almost tells us.
My son makes stupid decisions financially speaking.
But I I think you could say thatLuke is making some very stupid
decisions in other areas of his life as well, not just
financially speaking, because ofthis relationship with
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Madeleine, which just feels icky.
I feel like his dad has really thrown up his hands at this
point. And he was like, there's nothing
I can do. This kid is not listening to me.
He has a mind of his own, even though he has absolutely, like,
maybe one brain cell. Yeah, which is more than what
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his girlfriend has. But it's just so ridiculous to
watch the two of them. I, I mean, I can kind of see why
they would cast them again because they are that
ridiculous. But at the same time, they're
not giving us anything. They're not giving us hope.
And isn't that why we started watching the whole 90 Day Fiance
franchise at first is, you know,to see the hope, to see the
(39:28):
love, to see the development andnot so much the disasters.
Like, if we want to watch disasters, there are a hell of a
lot of other shows that we couldbe watching.
Yeah, Luke and Madeleine give methe ick.
And it's because of the fact that he groomed her from the age
of 17. He was 28 when they met.
And this relationship is just yucky on so many levels.
(39:52):
It's very difficult for me to watch.
Yeah, and I'll leave it there. I would not be opposed to not
talking about them in the future.
You know how we have exiled several couples previously.
We can talk about that separately, but I would not be
opposed to that. Well, let's see who else we get,
because next week I assume we might meet some more new couples
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and with any luck, those people will make a smile.
Did you hear that? I did.
I think Scotch is telling. Me.
Tell me another one. I think he's saying let's hope
so. Well, that's a lovely sentiment.
Let's close on that beautiful thought.
Thank you Scotch. Before we go, if you're enjoying
the 90 Day Fiance Honestly Podcast, please subscribe to or
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