August 31, 2025 • 33 mins
Andy and Arrah’s wedding day arrives as well as a big surprise! Marco visits Sarah in the UK. Sam and Ali attempt house hunting in Turkey, and come to a decision about where they’ll live. Zena and Ebrima on a date with monkeys and we learn more about her past.
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Hi, Amy. Happy.
Today we watched 90 Day UK Season 4 episode 10.
Are are you happy with this episode?
Yes and no. OK.
There was a lot of all that sweet versus get off my screen.
I think I know who you mean. Oh, my thoughts on this episode.
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Very, very touched. I was not prepared.
That is all because I don't I don't I don't care to let Sam
and Allie upset me. That's.
Fair. They didn't upset me.
I think I'm just in a mood, OK? Fair enough, let us start.
And before we start, remind everybody of the 1-2 yay one
rate review. Follow us wherever you listen to
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the podcast to watch us on YouTube at 90 Day Fiance.
Honestly, can you stop? Let us begin.
Scotch seems anxious to make a comment.
Does he have anything urgent that he needs to say to us?
Do. You want to say anything?
You want to say anything? Now he's shy.
OK, Andrew and Ara. Ara Aura.
Yes Aura, thank you. The scene opens with them still
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at the dinner table as Andy has just announced that he and Aura
are moving to England, which upset Mom a lot now.
Did you feel as I did that they were play acting in the scene?
There were a lot of smiles and alot of smirking going on that
was being hidden behind the hands or the face turned away so
that the camera couldn't really see.
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Yeah, I got that too. And then almost like the fake
emotional manipulation her mom, oh, I'm just a mother.
Am I going to regret letting you2 be together?
And then it was just a big, OK, that's fine, you can move.
Did we really need that? No, but I mean, this is the
thing with a couple like Andy and Ara who get along so well,
just like we saw with David and Sheila, there's there's no
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turmoil, there's no upset. So the crew has to come up with
some kind of tension, some sort of disagreement.
So I think they were definitely coached through this scene.
It didn't feel like any of theirother scenes.
There was an element of theatricalness.
Is that a word? Yeah.
There. It just, it didn't feel real to
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me. And I couldn't help but sense
that we were being LED down a totally scripted path, which was
disappointing. However, Mom's reaction, I guess
you can you can understand it. She is upset her daughter's
leaving her after 30 years of growing her up, of living with
her. That's sad.
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Yes, that's what they call it. When you have children, you grow
them up. So I I did feel like that her
being upset was warranted. However, it was just done in a
very fake way. And then she finally gives her
blessing, which is a great relief to everybody, including
me. And Andy even makes a gesture
towards the family of saying, look, we're going to be coming
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back to the Philippines every year, so we're not going to be
out of the picture. It's not like we're going to
disappear forever, which was nice.
Consider it. It's not like I'm taking her
away from you for the rest of her life.
We are never going to come back to visit.
We've seen the amount of effort that he's cut.
He's put into going to visit, you know, for the initial visit
now for the wedding. And it happened in such like a
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short period of time. So I think as long as her visa
is OK and whatever immigration status she needs to to go back
to her home country without, I don't know, being seized or
yeah, whatever that looks like, I can like I believe him.
Yeah, what I also believed was the wedding itself.
It was so genuine, so lovely. We haven't had a wedding like
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this in a really long time, I feel.
Yeah, Just one that is so genuine.
And, you know, the emotions are so real.
And I thought it was so beautiful that, you know, her
brothers and family stood up to be his groomsmen.
I was really irritated when he brought up, you know, oh, I
really wish that my family was here.
And I was like, well, maybe you should have checked with them
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before you booked anything. But also at the same time his
feelings are valid. Absolutely, I can understand
that. Like the bittersweetness of the
moment for him. Yeah, so like I wasn't trying to
like poo poo on on his feelings was just maybe a little bit more
planning on your part would haveset yourself up a little better.
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Yeah, I suppose so. I also thought that he looked so
cute in his or handsome in his plum or eggplant suit.
I thought. He looked.
Fantastic Aura looked fantastic,but I guess before we even get
to Aura. OK, what?
What? What?
Well, the fact that she had his parents fly in.
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Yes, that was incredibly, incredibly sweet of her.
So, so wonderful and thoughtful.I really.
Want to know the thought processbehind that or at least the
process behind that? Has she already contacted them
and say, can you, can you come but tell him that you're not
coming? Or she called them after the
fact to try to convince them. Either way, I thought that was
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an incredible gesture on on her behalf to make sure that his
family was there, his emotional response and his parents.
It was just, it was so genuine. It was so heartwarming.
It was really something that we needed.
Yeah, definitely an appreciated moment of reality.
Everybody's reactions for me were just pure and and lovely.
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I, I really, really felt it. I was tearing up and crying as I
was watching Andy hug his mom and that moment when he came out
of the building and they snuck around the corner.
His double take, like wait, what?
And then you could see him bite his tongue.
What the? Yes.
That was so cute. And then, you know, as he starts
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walking away with his parents after, you know, the hugs and
whatever his dad like subtly trying to fix his collar because
the whole time I'm like, fix that collar, fix that collar.
It was just such a, a genuine moment.
I I really appreciated that. Me too, me too.
Back to Ara for a second. I thought she looked gorgeous in
her dress. I just love the way that she was
so playful and happy the whole day long.
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From all of the photographs thatshe was taking with her
bridesmaids to talking to the camera, to going down the aisle.
She looked joyous the whole time.
And that to me, you can't fake. Yes, that's a real emotion.
The way that they said, when they said their vows, they were
so personal. They were so touching.
There was nothing about this wedding that I could find fault
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with. I mean, a location on the beach,
beautiful. They looked superb.
The surprise of getting his parents there at the last
minute. The way that they spoke to one
another from the heart. Everything was perfect and just
beautiful. I loved it.
I only have one complaint which is almost like a non complaint,
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just the food. Yeah, we didn't get to see any.
That's my biggest complaint because you know, you know, my
brother in law's Filipino and I know how they like to eat.
I don't know if you know this, but it's part of at least his
family's culture to bring like leftover containers because they
always have way too much food. So I'd really wanted to see what
they were having. But I mean, that was my only
like non complaint. Everything was just so
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beautiful. It was so perfect.
It was quite emotional. I thought it was beautiful.
Yeah, and and that's what I lovethe most about the show, when
they actually are so emotional on screen that they tap into
ours as a viewer and we feel what they're feeling and we
share with them their experience.
You can't beat that. Yeah, there was like a certain
level of like euphoric, euphoricenergy, but also like the eager,
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the eagerness to to get married,but also the willingness and the
acceptance that you can't, you can't make things happen
quicker. So it's like, yeah, I want to
get this done, but also like I want to enjoy the moment.
And that's how I felt watching this with their all of their
segments. I thought it was just
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absolutely, absolutely beautiful.
I think production did an incredible job with it.
I think the the photography was fantastic and I actually look
forward to seeing all the photosthat she had done with her
bridesmaids beforehand, because as you were saying, it just
looked like they were having so much fun and it's just
beautiful. And I think a final shout out to
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the camera crew for this episode, that final shot of them
on the beach together with the sunset right behind them, right
at sort of head level, was perfect.
Now, nothing else could be said.Shall we move on?
OK, it's time for Sarah and Marco.
Marco's coming to England. Hurrah.
This means it's time for Sarah to show off England to its best,
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to make it shine so that she hasa good case for him wanting to
move to England as a married couple.
And I, I was very hopeful that she was doing this in either
spring or summer, but it looks like it's winter slash, fall
slash early, early winter, spring.
What is it? Do you know?
I have. Absolutely no idea, I'm just
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disappointed in how she presentsEngland to him from the very
beginning. She does an abysmal job.
Tell me what you found the leastappealing about her presentation
can. I talk about the most first.
Yes, her. Cat Moo and how the cat tries to
get out of the house and how he's immediately like, oh ha
moo, I'm like, yes, you love that cat, you better get in
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there. I'd love that cat.
Very handsome. Extremely.
Handsome cow cat. I thought she was so off the
mark with ordering pizza. This made me mad.
Knowing the Italians that I know, that would have been so
offensive. I thought he was a fairly good
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sport. Fairly somewhat.
He, he, he's maybe tried a little bit, maybe to be nice, I
mean. He tried a piece.
He did he he put a piece in his mouth.
He did not swallow it. He did not.
And the way that he runs up the stairs and she's apologizing the
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whole time, I'm like, this is sofake.
Like, you knew he was going to hate this.
Yeah. And then she says disgusting.
A burger, pizza plus a Hawaiian.I mean, I can sort of understand
the Hawaiian, but a burger, pizza.
Oh, that. I actually had an Italian make
me a burger pizza with Pickles on it and it was delicious.
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Though that did not look anywhere close to being as good
as that one was, no. Because she got the goddamn
pizza from a fast food chain. She didn't even go to a place
where they do authentic wood fired Neapolitan style or like a
real Roman pizza. This was crap from some kind of
chain, do you not agree? Oh I 100% did agree or I do
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agree it was just like such a bad idea.
Why would you do that? It was a terrible idea.
You know what? Reflective of Ali's evil plan,
You know, I don't want to move there.
So, you know, let me show him how awful our actual pizza is.
I mean this is such BS. Yeah, it made me think that too,
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that maybe she's deliberately sabotaging it, or maybe she has
already decided she wants to be in Italy as well and this is
just all for our benefit, that they have an argument over where
they're going to live. It did make me think of you when
we were watching the pizza scene, not just for the obvious
reason that it's food and you appreciate food a lot, but
because Marco was being introduced to the idea of fruit
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on a pizza for the very first time.
Which makes me think of you and the tropical pizza that you and
I, well actually you had it and I just watched you eat it with
bananas on it. Friggin bananas.
Remember my reaction when I saw it?
And I was like OK, this is the English version of the menu,
correct? It does say bananas.
Because this was in Portugal. It was like the idea of it was
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absolutely repulsive and I was like, I have to try it.
And it was. It was surprisingly good.
I don't think I ordered it againwhen when we were there, but
every other pizza on that menu was incredible.
But I just bananas on a pizza. Sir, what is this?
Marco would probably have some kind of a seizure and die on the
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spot. Cornery.
Is that what it's called? Yeah, I was thinking more along
the lines of an aneurysm becauseof of if he saw bananas on a
pizza on a menu. And this is not like a dessert
pizza. This is a meal pizza that you
eat at lunch or dinner. It's just such a bizarre idea.
So I can understand from having had that experience with you why
he would be appalled at the ideaof pineapples on a pizza.
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Plus, I think most people already generally know that true
Italians, like Italians from Italy, despise the idea of
putting pineapple on pizza. And it's it's a huge affront if
you suggest that you would like to eat that.
She did like like a double disservice, triple disservice
pizza from non authentic, quote UN quote authentic place the
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pineapple and then the cheeseburger.
Well, why would you do that? You were setting yourself up for
failure. You have been to Italy.
You know what he expects. And then I also thought it was
hilarious that she offered to make him a carbonara with
mushrooms. Yes.
Didn't he say previously that, you know, some things are
offensive, like mushrooms and carbonara?
So I think she was just really playing into it.
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That was just their little joke.That was their inside joke.
Then why she said that? Yeah.
So why is she doing this? Is it for our benefit?
Is it actually real that she is trying to woo him over with
English pizza? Hard to believe.
Or is she trying to reinforce the point that they are better
off being in Italy? Maybe it will become clear soon,
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but then we get on to this second part where he is going to
meet with her dad. And this is so that he can have
the opportunity to ask for the dad's blessing or ask for
permission to have her hand in marriage.
Little late, little, Yeah, little lot late at.
What's the point now? Even I'm I'm glad he's making a
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concession towards her because she really, really wants this to
happen. So that gives me hope that Marco
can compromise for her sake. But this doesn't go so well.
I mean, first of all, he's very clumsy about it.
He doesn't get to the point. He goes around for a while in
circles, then kind of blurts it out in a very awkward way and
Dad kind of sniffs it out right from the get go, doesn't he?
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He wants to know if Sarah's aware that Marco wants to
propose or has he already proposed to her?
First I was like, at first I waslike, wow, I thought that was
really nice that he's being honest with him, that, you know,
he wants to ask for her hand in marriage.
And then it's like, oh, there goes the honesty.
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He's like, well, yeah, are you asking because you want to or?
And then he just sucks. Yeah, it was almost as if Marco
didn't want to tell the truth, but he was caught between a rock
and a hard place, and so he has to blurt it out.
Yes, he's already proposed to Sarah, and now he's asking for
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Dad's blessing. And Dad just doesn't really know
what to say. He seems kind of stunned, taken
aback. There's no answer in this
episode, Will likely see that inthe next episode.
But from my perspective, I thinkMarco has really failed and this
asking for the blessing moment has gone as bad as it possibly
could have, just as the previouspizza moment failed as well.
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Yeah, I think that this really couldn't have gone any worse for
him. I think it just really
highlights how much he doesn't care about Sarah, about her
wanting him to to get her dad's blessing before the wedding
planning starts. And the fact that she said yes
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and she hasn't really told anyone because she's waiting for
her dad's blessing is like, OK, well, now you're just stringing
her along. She's sitting on this big
secret. She probably wants to scream
from the top of a mountain. Oh, I'm going to marry the love
of my life. And he's single handedly
preventing this. Like he doesn't care.
He just wants the control. And maybe that's why he filmed
it so much, because he just, he wants the control and he doesn't
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want to give it to her dad. Yeah, I hadn't considered that
That could be. I just feel like he he tries to
sell himself off as somebody whois feminist in the sense that he
thinks a woman can decide for herself without having anybody
asked the father for permission.Great.
I can understand that. But also he comes from our
culture, which is actually very,very patriarchal.
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And so I would have thought thatthis is a normal part of the
process of becoming engaged if you're Italian.
However, he did say, and his friends said as well in another
episode, that this is not something that Italians
generally do, going around to ask the dad for permission
before they actually ask somebody to marry them.
So I'm really confused as to what's part of the culture and
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what's not. I think there was some
discrepancy with what his friends had said.
I think 1 friend said that it was tradition, another one said
that it wasn't. What's the point?
So I'm really not sure. Yeah, I really want some light
to be shed on this issue for me because I'm not understanding
fully. And so I feel like I'm I'm just
kind of dancing off the surface of the water when it comes to
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Sarah and Markel because I'm notable to get in and figure out
what's what's motivating these two.
It just seems kind of arbitrary and silly.
Agreed. Shall we read on?
I don't want to. I know you don't want to, but
you will have to it. This is the way.
Sam and Ally. Oh boy.
As usual, Ally has to make up for all the bad things he's done
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to Sam. I hate the way she punishes him
like this. I really, really do.
So he takes her out for yet another romantic date dinner
thing. OK, great.
Again, we didn't really get to see what they were eating.
The plates were just put down and then they started talking
and OK. But before the dinner, they do
go out house hunting because Samdecides now is the moment we
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have to go look at where we can live in Turkey because there's.
Only one place. That there's only one place.
This is part of, I guess the master slash evil plan of
Ollie's, that he's going to takeher to this apartment that is a
friend of his who was thinking of renting it out.
And I was like, OK, what atrocities is he going to have
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in store for us? It wasn't actually that bad.
Yes, it was a bachelor pad and it was a bit sparse, but.
It was basic, but she was going on.
You know how there's like doesn't feel comfortable and
it's just there's so much white and it's like so minimalistic.
Like that's what paint and art is for.
You can. This is a blank slate.
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And is the furniture coming withthe place, is it not?
If she was renting something, wasn't she planning on getting
her own furniture anyway? Or moving any of her stuff from
England there. And the whole time I'm like,
this place isn't that bad. Like maybe Ali fumble on this
one. And I kept thinking like, what
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is going on with that purple light in the background?
And then we find out that it's like one of those color changing
lights. I'm like, oh, and she's like,
absolutely. We're not having one of those.
Like, do you realize that it's just a light bulb?
And it is somebody else's house,so if you're going to be tearing
the lights out of the ceiling, they might be a little.
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Upset at that. It's one light bulb, but to her
it was the worst. And then, you know, when we saw
the toilet, even then I was like, I'm out.
No thanks. But I also wonder how common
that is in Turkey because she's never complained about it
before, though. Is this no.
And can you not just install a atoilet?
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Probably not in that apartment because it's just like a little
teeny tiny closet. But.
I don't. Well, Sam has my sympathy when
it comes to the toilet. Logistically, no, that's not
going to happen for her, for foranyone.
I have a funny little side stories to tell you.
Last weekend, you know, I was inPortugal.
We were driving from, well, it doesn't matter anyway.
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We were driving for at least twohours during the course of this
drive. I said to my husband, I really
need a peace stop. Can can you pull over at a gas
station when they when we next see one and the next stop
happened to be like a picnic area with and there was a sign
picnic area, washrooms, scenic point, whatever.
So he's okay. Here we go.
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We pull over and Oh my Lord, there was this little building
with washrooms in it. So I scurried over to the little
building and I'm thinking to myself, as I get closer, this
doesn't really look very nice. I'm not sure that I will be able
to, to go here, but you know, I can take it.
I'm, I'm a modern Canadian girl.So I go up to the building and
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as I'm approaching, the doors are both open on the men and
women's side. And it is one of those, the
little hole in the floor toilet,not an actual toilet.
Toilet I could do outhouses I can do going in the woods, but a
squatty thing in a tiny little room?
No, no, no, no. So I ran back to the car.
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I was like, I don't have to go. Anymore, let's just keep
driving, not doing that. Have you ever seen that in
Portugal before? Because clearly I have not no.
I have. I have not.
I have never seen that. Everywhere else is totally
normal, modern toilets, what you'd expect to find.
In fact, probably nicer than anything we have in North
America because typically the bathrooms have like real stalls
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with doors that go all the way down to the floor and walls that
go all the way down to the floor.
So you have privacy. It's quite nice.
This was not that and it scared me.
I just think about the balance that you need in order to do
that. Exactly like.
You know, with my history of weight lifting, I am very
familiar with squatting and withweight on my back.
But to have to sit there and focus on a bodily function at
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the same time while, you know, not falling either way, not
having any kind of support. And where's the toilet paper?
Where's that like there's just so many.
I will, I will not deal with this.
I do not have to. At my age, I don't have to do
that. So no, thank you, Sam.
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I concur. You may skip this apartment if
it has such a toilet in the bathroom.
And then we think of Xena and wewill talk about it soon, but
when she first gets there and it's the same thing, just a
little hole, and then he builds up with the concrete, I'm like,
even that is better. Yes, than anything else.
And like just how tiny that bathroom was.
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Like she could probably brace herself on the sides of.
The walls but hovering. I don't like sitting.
OK, hovering. No hovering with support.
Is fine. Yes, lots of hand hand hand
sanitizer after but like I just thought it was.
Just. Whatever.
I think that both of them are absolutely insufferable.
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They're made for each other and all of their segments were just
utterly useless and I don't care.
Yeah. Was this whole master Evil plan
from the beginning a complete contrived thing that he wanted
to inject as something fun and exciting when they had actually
already planned to move back to England?
Because it really doesn't seem like it took all that much for
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Sam to be completely turned off the idea of living in Turkey.
And she's changed her mind. Yes, plus the money thing.
That was a huge discrepancy. In this episode, he talked about
how easy it would be for him, just him, not her, but just him,
to save up enough money, 2000 lbs to get the visa to go live
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in England. And when she introduced herself
at the beginning of this season,she said the visa was £10,000.
Yeah. So what the F is going on here?
Bunch of BS. And also if this was his plan
all along, his evil plan, yes, why wouldn't he have started
saving up? Has he started saving up?
Why wouldn't they both save up? They could both contribute and
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do it faster, and rather than ittaking six months or eight
months, it takes 4. It's so stupid green.
All right. Well, anyway, good luck to both
of you. They're going to go live in
England. Yay.
Let's read on to Xena and Abraham.
My. Favorite part of the episode
actually occurred during their segments.
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Did you think about me? I always think about you when
I'm. Watching the show.
Was it because of the monkeys? Yes, I thought so it was.
I love the monkeys. This was a great idea to go do
this. Even though Xena says she's
afraid of monkeys, This was a creative idea and I love a place
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like this. I want to go to a monkey museum,
zoo, park, whatever, where you can just go and interact with
them. Fun.
I thought it was an excellent idea.
I thought she was way over the top.
Like, have you never left the resort where there are no
monkeys around when you were with Ibrahim at his compound
with his family? Like, you can't tell me that
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you've never seen a monkey before, but clearly she has
because she says she's terrifiedof them.
But oh, my God, that was so funny.
When she went to go put the peanuts in front of the one
monkey, what did she call him? I don't know.
She called this one monkey something, Mr. Greedy Pants or
something. And she throws them on the
ground. And then another little monkey
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comes to get it and he slaps themonkey.
Know how I laughed? I had to watch it a couple
times. It was just my God, that was so
adorable. And it just really surprised me.
I've never seen a monkey slap another monkey before.
So like it was just, it was like.
Grandpa Monkey, Grandpa Monkey shooing the little kid away and
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get out of here. Nuts it.
Was very cute, especially when you put it like that.
So now we get the flashback to 8months ago when Xena was having
a lumpectomy to remove some breast cancer.
Obviously very sad, traumatic for her, lots of recovery time.
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But I think this sheds a little bit more light on why she is the
way she is. We understand a little bit more
of her very strong desire to find love, to have fun right now
because she's had this scare with cancer.
Very, very real scare. This actually come to my
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heartstrings more than the actual wedding did because, you
know, my best friend lost her mom to breast cancer and it's
like, OK, this gives us a littlemore insight as to why she is
the way that she is. However, this only happened
eight years ago and she's been with.
That's what I meant eight monthsago.
But she's been with Ibrahim for two years, so I wonder how she
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was before that and that how howmuch her behavior has escalated
since then, and maybe that's whyher family is so concerned about
it now. Like, my heart really goes out
to her. I can't imagine how terrifying
that must have been for her, though.
I don't see this as, like, a reason for her behavior.
Maybe the drinking. Maybe her drinking has
escalated. Yeah, but but we don't know.
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We don't know what she was like before.
No. And I'm thinking back to when we
first met her, she was talking about how much she loves to go
dancing, how much she loves drinking with her friends and
how she's had several plastic surgeries.
So that all seems like it's pattern that probably goes back
in time quite. A bit, yeah.
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Pre breast cancer, pre operation.
My guess is she's always been this way but it's this has
brought it out in her even more.But I wanted to know why has
this been kept a secret from us as viewers until now?
Why couldn't we have known this right from the start when we
were introduced to Xena? My fear is.
My fear is that she's going to go home, she's going to go back
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for a scan, and it's returned. I hope that's not the case, but
I think that would, I don't know, from a production
standpoint, I mean, if you're really going to gain the
viewership or gain that kind of emotional connection with a
character or cast, why wouldn't you make mention of, you know,
in one of the previews? Oh, no, no, something's
happening. Oh no.
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But there hasn't been any of that.
So I think the timing is questionable.
I really hope there's a reason for it.
Not for, I mean, I guess for everyone's sake, I hope there is
there's timing for the reason for it.
Oh my God, I'm talking in circles.
Help me. I don't know why they have kept
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the secret for so long. It would have, I think, been
better placed at the beginning when we could have known that
about Xena and understood a little bit more of where her
party character comes from, for lack of a better word.
Like, it just seems oddly placedthat at this moment when they're
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at the Monkey Park and they're talking about this thing in the
past, why didn't we already knowthat she had gone through that?
It just seemed really strangely placed in the storyline.
Yeah. Have they not talked about it
previously? Because it seems as though he
brings it up and they're like Dun Dun Dun 8 months before.
Is it so that they're they can create this feeling of intimacy
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between the couple? Because they're talking about
this very emotional moment in Zena's life, which presumably
Ibrahim shared in, although he wasn't even in the country with
her when it happened. Is that what they're trying to
set us up for? Like this closeness pre
proposal, they're they're tryingto make it seem like there
actually is a bond between thesetwo people rather than us all
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thinking, which I think we all are at this point, that he is
just scamming her. Like maybe they're just trying
to create a a narrative that is a little bit more romantic in
order to facilitate this beautiful proposal that comes
next. Some kind of like redeeming arc
for him? Yes, exactly.
He. Didn't leave when she had breast
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cancer. Now he wants to propose, which
he does and he doesn't even say will you marry me?
I forget what his actual words were, but I'm like, that is the
most lackluster proposal I thought he said.
Will you marry me? I think he just there was.
AI can't. I want to have you in my life
forever. Something like that.
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And then he gets down on a knee.Will you marry?
No. OK, I don't, I don't, I don't
know, maybe I checked out because I'm like, this man is so
full of shit. I don't believe a word that
comes out of his mouth. The only thing that I believe
that came out of his mouth and that I wrote down was I cannot
afford to lose you, babe. You can't afford it.
Literally. Literally, I didn't like this
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proposal very much. I mean, he brought her back to
the place where they had their first date.
Sure, romantic point for that, but.
We've seen that so many times inthis season.
You know, we went back to the place where we first had our
first date or the first picnic or.
Something, yeah. Like OK, this isn't original.
Nope, he didn't have any flowers.
He didn't even pick any of the wildflowers along the way to
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surprise her like he did last time.
That's true. It was not very original.
And then meanwhile, Zena is talking about how she has a
little nagging feeling at the back of her head.
That's what she said about is Ibrahim actually using her?
Yes, he is he a little a little little nagging feeling at the
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back of her head. The furthest away it should be
right here in big red letters. He's.
Had that nagging feeling before she even left left England.
Yes, yeah, I know. So how has his dishonesty and
his behavior not made this like a massive red flag factory for
you? Yeah, I don't understand why it
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hasn't reinforced the belief forher that he is trying to get
something from her, IE money andthat's it.
Maybe a ticket to England. We don't get an answer for the
proposal this week. Of course not.
We have to wait and see what happens next week.
Are you leaning either way? Yes.
No. I think she's going to say yes
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based on the random facial expressions that we had seen or
that we were shown, and just based on her absolute
desperation, yeah. Yeah, which is?
I agree and I think she's going to say yes as well because of
what she said the last time about thinking that this was her
last chance to find love and that Ibrahim was her one true
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love, both of which I completelydisagree with.
I don't think either one of those statements is true.
I agree. Any final comments before we
wrap up the show today? I hope the next episode is going
to be better. Yes, well, next episode is 11
and then we have 12 and then I believe it's the tell all.
So things are going to be closedoff very soon.
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You notice we haven't heard fromMette and Shannon at all.
The Shannon, The Shannon, excuseme?
So their storyline is done, wrapped up, put away.
Or maybe we're going to have onebig finale.
I mean, they already did get engaged, so are we going to see
them get married or is that whatever?
I don't care. I'm sorry I'm I'm super bitchy
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today. That's quite all right.
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Hi, Amy. Happy.
Today we watched 90 Day UK Season 4 episode 10.
Are are you happy with this episode?
Yes and no. OK.
There was a lot of all that sweet versus get off my screen.
I think I know who you mean. Oh, my thoughts on this episode.
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Very, very touched. I was not prepared.
That is all because I don't I don't I don't care to let Sam
and Allie upset me. That's.
Fair. They didn't upset me.
I think I'm just in a mood, OK? Fair enough, let us start.
And before we start, remind everybody of the 1-2 yay one
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Honestly, can you stop? Let us begin.
Scotch seems anxious to make a comment.
Does he have anything urgent that he needs to say to us?
Do. You want to say anything?
You want to say anything? Now he's shy.
OK, Andrew and Ara. Ara Aura.
Yes Aura, thank you. The scene opens with them still
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at the dinner table as Andy has just announced that he and Aura
are moving to England, which upset Mom a lot now.
Did you feel as I did that they were play acting in the scene?
There were a lot of smiles and alot of smirking going on that
was being hidden behind the hands or the face turned away so
that the camera couldn't really see.
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Yeah, I got that too. And then almost like the fake
emotional manipulation her mom, oh, I'm just a mother.
Am I going to regret letting you2 be together?
And then it was just a big, OK, that's fine, you can move.
Did we really need that? No, but I mean, this is the
thing with a couple like Andy and Ara who get along so well,
just like we saw with David and Sheila, there's there's no
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turmoil, there's no upset. So the crew has to come up with
some kind of tension, some sort of disagreement.
So I think they were definitely coached through this scene.
It didn't feel like any of theirother scenes.
There was an element of theatricalness.
Is that a word? Yeah.
There. It just, it didn't feel real to
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me. And I couldn't help but sense
that we were being LED down a totally scripted path, which was
disappointing. However, Mom's reaction, I guess
you can you can understand it. She is upset her daughter's
leaving her after 30 years of growing her up, of living with
her. That's sad.
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Yes, that's what they call it. When you have children, you grow
them up. So I I did feel like that her
being upset was warranted. However, it was just done in a
very fake way. And then she finally gives her
blessing, which is a great relief to everybody, including
me. And Andy even makes a gesture
towards the family of saying, look, we're going to be coming
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back to the Philippines every year, so we're not going to be
out of the picture. It's not like we're going to
disappear forever, which was nice.
Consider it. It's not like I'm taking her
away from you for the rest of her life.
We are never going to come back to visit.
We've seen the amount of effort that he's cut.
He's put into going to visit, you know, for the initial visit
now for the wedding. And it happened in such like a
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short period of time. So I think as long as her visa
is OK and whatever immigration status she needs to to go back
to her home country without, I don't know, being seized or
yeah, whatever that looks like, I can like I believe him.
Yeah, what I also believed was the wedding itself.
It was so genuine, so lovely. We haven't had a wedding like
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this in a really long time, I feel.
Yeah, Just one that is so genuine.
And, you know, the emotions are so real.
And I thought it was so beautiful that, you know, her
brothers and family stood up to be his groomsmen.
I was really irritated when he brought up, you know, oh, I
really wish that my family was here.
And I was like, well, maybe you should have checked with them
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before you booked anything. But also at the same time his
feelings are valid. Absolutely, I can understand
that. Like the bittersweetness of the
moment for him. Yeah, so like I wasn't trying to
like poo poo on on his feelings was just maybe a little bit more
planning on your part would haveset yourself up a little better.
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Yeah, I suppose so. I also thought that he looked so
cute in his or handsome in his plum or eggplant suit.
I thought. He looked.
Fantastic Aura looked fantastic,but I guess before we even get
to Aura. OK, what?
What? What?
Well, the fact that she had his parents fly in.
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Yes, that was incredibly, incredibly sweet of her.
So, so wonderful and thoughtful.I really.
Want to know the thought processbehind that or at least the
process behind that? Has she already contacted them
and say, can you, can you come but tell him that you're not
coming? Or she called them after the
fact to try to convince them. Either way, I thought that was
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an incredible gesture on on her behalf to make sure that his
family was there, his emotional response and his parents.
It was just, it was so genuine. It was so heartwarming.
It was really something that we needed.
Yeah, definitely an appreciated moment of reality.
Everybody's reactions for me were just pure and and lovely.
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I, I really, really felt it. I was tearing up and crying as I
was watching Andy hug his mom and that moment when he came out
of the building and they snuck around the corner.
His double take, like wait, what?
And then you could see him bite his tongue.
What the? Yes.
That was so cute. And then, you know, as he starts
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walking away with his parents after, you know, the hugs and
whatever his dad like subtly trying to fix his collar because
the whole time I'm like, fix that collar, fix that collar.
It was just such a, a genuine moment.
I I really appreciated that. Me too, me too.
Back to Ara for a second. I thought she looked gorgeous in
her dress. I just love the way that she was
so playful and happy the whole day long.
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From all of the photographs thatshe was taking with her
bridesmaids to talking to the camera, to going down the aisle.
She looked joyous the whole time.
And that to me, you can't fake. Yes, that's a real emotion.
The way that they said, when they said their vows, they were
so personal. They were so touching.
There was nothing about this wedding that I could find fault
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with. I mean, a location on the beach,
beautiful. They looked superb.
The surprise of getting his parents there at the last
minute. The way that they spoke to one
another from the heart. Everything was perfect and just
beautiful. I loved it.
I only have one complaint which is almost like a non complaint,
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just the food. Yeah, we didn't get to see any.
That's my biggest complaint because you know, you know, my
brother in law's Filipino and I know how they like to eat.
I don't know if you know this, but it's part of at least his
family's culture to bring like leftover containers because they
always have way too much food. So I'd really wanted to see what
they were having. But I mean, that was my only
like non complaint. Everything was just so
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beautiful. It was so perfect.
It was quite emotional. I thought it was beautiful.
Yeah, and and that's what I lovethe most about the show, when
they actually are so emotional on screen that they tap into
ours as a viewer and we feel what they're feeling and we
share with them their experience.
You can't beat that. Yeah, there was like a certain
level of like euphoric, euphoricenergy, but also like the eager,
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the eagerness to to get married,but also the willingness and the
acceptance that you can't, you can't make things happen
quicker. So it's like, yeah, I want to
get this done, but also like I want to enjoy the moment.
And that's how I felt watching this with their all of their
segments. I thought it was just
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absolutely, absolutely beautiful.
I think production did an incredible job with it.
I think the the photography was fantastic and I actually look
forward to seeing all the photosthat she had done with her
bridesmaids beforehand, because as you were saying, it just
looked like they were having so much fun and it's just
beautiful. And I think a final shout out to
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the camera crew for this episode, that final shot of them
on the beach together with the sunset right behind them, right
at sort of head level, was perfect.
Now, nothing else could be said.Shall we move on?
OK, it's time for Sarah and Marco.
Marco's coming to England. Hurrah.
This means it's time for Sarah to show off England to its best,
(08:47):
to make it shine so that she hasa good case for him wanting to
move to England as a married couple.
And I, I was very hopeful that she was doing this in either
spring or summer, but it looks like it's winter slash, fall
slash early, early winter, spring.
What is it? Do you know?
I have. Absolutely no idea, I'm just
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disappointed in how she presentsEngland to him from the very
beginning. She does an abysmal job.
Tell me what you found the leastappealing about her presentation
can. I talk about the most first.
Yes, her. Cat Moo and how the cat tries to
get out of the house and how he's immediately like, oh ha
moo, I'm like, yes, you love that cat, you better get in
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there. I'd love that cat.
Very handsome. Extremely.
Handsome cow cat. I thought she was so off the
mark with ordering pizza. This made me mad.
Knowing the Italians that I know, that would have been so
offensive. I thought he was a fairly good
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sport. Fairly somewhat.
He, he, he's maybe tried a little bit, maybe to be nice, I
mean. He tried a piece.
He did he he put a piece in his mouth.
He did not swallow it. He did not.
And the way that he runs up the stairs and she's apologizing the
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whole time, I'm like, this is sofake.
Like, you knew he was going to hate this.
Yeah. And then she says disgusting.
A burger, pizza plus a Hawaiian.I mean, I can sort of understand
the Hawaiian, but a burger, pizza.
Oh, that. I actually had an Italian make
me a burger pizza with Pickles on it and it was delicious.
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Though that did not look anywhere close to being as good
as that one was, no. Because she got the goddamn
pizza from a fast food chain. She didn't even go to a place
where they do authentic wood fired Neapolitan style or like a
real Roman pizza. This was crap from some kind of
chain, do you not agree? Oh I 100% did agree or I do
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agree it was just like such a bad idea.
Why would you do that? It was a terrible idea.
You know what? Reflective of Ali's evil plan,
You know, I don't want to move there.
So, you know, let me show him how awful our actual pizza is.
I mean this is such BS. Yeah, it made me think that too,
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that maybe she's deliberately sabotaging it, or maybe she has
already decided she wants to be in Italy as well and this is
just all for our benefit, that they have an argument over where
they're going to live. It did make me think of you when
we were watching the pizza scene, not just for the obvious
reason that it's food and you appreciate food a lot, but
because Marco was being introduced to the idea of fruit
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on a pizza for the very first time.
Which makes me think of you and the tropical pizza that you and
I, well actually you had it and I just watched you eat it with
bananas on it. Friggin bananas.
Remember my reaction when I saw it?
And I was like OK, this is the English version of the menu,
correct? It does say bananas.
Because this was in Portugal. It was like the idea of it was
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absolutely repulsive and I was like, I have to try it.
And it was. It was surprisingly good.
I don't think I ordered it againwhen when we were there, but
every other pizza on that menu was incredible.
But I just bananas on a pizza. Sir, what is this?
Marco would probably have some kind of a seizure and die on the
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spot. Cornery.
Is that what it's called? Yeah, I was thinking more along
the lines of an aneurysm becauseof of if he saw bananas on a
pizza on a menu. And this is not like a dessert
pizza. This is a meal pizza that you
eat at lunch or dinner. It's just such a bizarre idea.
So I can understand from having had that experience with you why
he would be appalled at the ideaof pineapples on a pizza.
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Plus, I think most people already generally know that true
Italians, like Italians from Italy, despise the idea of
putting pineapple on pizza. And it's it's a huge affront if
you suggest that you would like to eat that.
She did like like a double disservice, triple disservice
pizza from non authentic, quote UN quote authentic place the
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pineapple and then the cheeseburger.
Well, why would you do that? You were setting yourself up for
failure. You have been to Italy.
You know what he expects. And then I also thought it was
hilarious that she offered to make him a carbonara with
mushrooms. Yes.
Didn't he say previously that, you know, some things are
offensive, like mushrooms and carbonara?
So I think she was just really playing into it.
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That was just their little joke.That was their inside joke.
Then why she said that? Yeah.
So why is she doing this? Is it for our benefit?
Is it actually real that she is trying to woo him over with
English pizza? Hard to believe.
Or is she trying to reinforce the point that they are better
off being in Italy? Maybe it will become clear soon,
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but then we get on to this second part where he is going to
meet with her dad. And this is so that he can have
the opportunity to ask for the dad's blessing or ask for
permission to have her hand in marriage.
Little late, little, Yeah, little lot late at.
What's the point now? Even I'm I'm glad he's making a
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concession towards her because she really, really wants this to
happen. So that gives me hope that Marco
can compromise for her sake. But this doesn't go so well.
I mean, first of all, he's very clumsy about it.
He doesn't get to the point. He goes around for a while in
circles, then kind of blurts it out in a very awkward way and
Dad kind of sniffs it out right from the get go, doesn't he?
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He wants to know if Sarah's aware that Marco wants to
propose or has he already proposed to her?
First I was like, at first I waslike, wow, I thought that was
really nice that he's being honest with him, that, you know,
he wants to ask for her hand in marriage.
And then it's like, oh, there goes the honesty.
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He's like, well, yeah, are you asking because you want to or?
And then he just sucks. Yeah, it was almost as if Marco
didn't want to tell the truth, but he was caught between a rock
and a hard place, and so he has to blurt it out.
Yes, he's already proposed to Sarah, and now he's asking for
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Dad's blessing. And Dad just doesn't really know
what to say. He seems kind of stunned, taken
aback. There's no answer in this
episode, Will likely see that inthe next episode.
But from my perspective, I thinkMarco has really failed and this
asking for the blessing moment has gone as bad as it possibly
could have, just as the previouspizza moment failed as well.
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Yeah, I think that this really couldn't have gone any worse for
him. I think it just really
highlights how much he doesn't care about Sarah, about her
wanting him to to get her dad's blessing before the wedding
planning starts. And the fact that she said yes
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and she hasn't really told anyone because she's waiting for
her dad's blessing is like, OK, well, now you're just stringing
her along. She's sitting on this big
secret. She probably wants to scream
from the top of a mountain. Oh, I'm going to marry the love
of my life. And he's single handedly
preventing this. Like he doesn't care.
He just wants the control. And maybe that's why he filmed
it so much, because he just, he wants the control and he doesn't
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want to give it to her dad. Yeah, I hadn't considered that
That could be. I just feel like he he tries to
sell himself off as somebody whois feminist in the sense that he
thinks a woman can decide for herself without having anybody
asked the father for permission.Great.
I can understand that. But also he comes from our
culture, which is actually very,very patriarchal.
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And so I would have thought thatthis is a normal part of the
process of becoming engaged if you're Italian.
However, he did say, and his friends said as well in another
episode, that this is not something that Italians
generally do, going around to ask the dad for permission
before they actually ask somebody to marry them.
So I'm really confused as to what's part of the culture and
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what's not. I think there was some
discrepancy with what his friends had said.
I think 1 friend said that it was tradition, another one said
that it wasn't. What's the point?
So I'm really not sure. Yeah, I really want some light
to be shed on this issue for me because I'm not understanding
fully. And so I feel like I'm I'm just
kind of dancing off the surface of the water when it comes to
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Sarah and Markel because I'm notable to get in and figure out
what's what's motivating these two.
It just seems kind of arbitrary and silly.
Agreed. Shall we read on?
I don't want to. I know you don't want to, but
you will have to it. This is the way.
Sam and Ally. Oh boy.
As usual, Ally has to make up for all the bad things he's done
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to Sam. I hate the way she punishes him
like this. I really, really do.
So he takes her out for yet another romantic date dinner
thing. OK, great.
Again, we didn't really get to see what they were eating.
The plates were just put down and then they started talking
and OK. But before the dinner, they do
go out house hunting because Samdecides now is the moment we
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have to go look at where we can live in Turkey because there's.
Only one place. That there's only one place.
This is part of, I guess the master slash evil plan of
Ollie's, that he's going to takeher to this apartment that is a
friend of his who was thinking of renting it out.
And I was like, OK, what atrocities is he going to have
(18:37):
in store for us? It wasn't actually that bad.
Yes, it was a bachelor pad and it was a bit sparse, but.
It was basic, but she was going on.
You know how there's like doesn't feel comfortable and
it's just there's so much white and it's like so minimalistic.
Like that's what paint and art is for.
You can. This is a blank slate.
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And is the furniture coming withthe place, is it not?
If she was renting something, wasn't she planning on getting
her own furniture anyway? Or moving any of her stuff from
England there. And the whole time I'm like,
this place isn't that bad. Like maybe Ali fumble on this
one. And I kept thinking like, what
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is going on with that purple light in the background?
And then we find out that it's like one of those color changing
lights. I'm like, oh, and she's like,
absolutely. We're not having one of those.
Like, do you realize that it's just a light bulb?
And it is somebody else's house,so if you're going to be tearing
the lights out of the ceiling, they might be a little.
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Upset at that. It's one light bulb, but to her
it was the worst. And then, you know, when we saw
the toilet, even then I was like, I'm out.
No thanks. But I also wonder how common
that is in Turkey because she's never complained about it
before, though. Is this no.
And can you not just install a atoilet?
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Probably not in that apartment because it's just like a little
teeny tiny closet. But.
I don't. Well, Sam has my sympathy when
it comes to the toilet. Logistically, no, that's not
going to happen for her, for foranyone.
I have a funny little side stories to tell you.
Last weekend, you know, I was inPortugal.
We were driving from, well, it doesn't matter anyway.
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We were driving for at least twohours during the course of this
drive. I said to my husband, I really
need a peace stop. Can can you pull over at a gas
station when they when we next see one and the next stop
happened to be like a picnic area with and there was a sign
picnic area, washrooms, scenic point, whatever.
So he's okay. Here we go.
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We pull over and Oh my Lord, there was this little building
with washrooms in it. So I scurried over to the little
building and I'm thinking to myself, as I get closer, this
doesn't really look very nice. I'm not sure that I will be able
to, to go here, but you know, I can take it.
I'm, I'm a modern Canadian girl.So I go up to the building and
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as I'm approaching, the doors are both open on the men and
women's side. And it is one of those, the
little hole in the floor toilet,not an actual toilet.
Toilet I could do outhouses I can do going in the woods, but a
squatty thing in a tiny little room?
No, no, no, no. So I ran back to the car.
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I was like, I don't have to go. Anymore, let's just keep
driving, not doing that. Have you ever seen that in
Portugal before? Because clearly I have not no.
I have. I have not.
I have never seen that. Everywhere else is totally
normal, modern toilets, what you'd expect to find.
In fact, probably nicer than anything we have in North
America because typically the bathrooms have like real stalls
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with doors that go all the way down to the floor and walls that
go all the way down to the floor.
So you have privacy. It's quite nice.
This was not that and it scared me.
I just think about the balance that you need in order to do
that. Exactly like.
You know, with my history of weight lifting, I am very
familiar with squatting and withweight on my back.
But to have to sit there and focus on a bodily function at
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the same time while, you know, not falling either way, not
having any kind of support. And where's the toilet paper?
Where's that like there's just so many.
I will, I will not deal with this.
I do not have to. At my age, I don't have to do
that. So no, thank you, Sam.
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I concur. You may skip this apartment if
it has such a toilet in the bathroom.
And then we think of Xena and wewill talk about it soon, but
when she first gets there and it's the same thing, just a
little hole, and then he builds up with the concrete, I'm like,
even that is better. Yes, than anything else.
And like just how tiny that bathroom was.
(22:52):
Like she could probably brace herself on the sides of.
The walls but hovering. I don't like sitting.
OK, hovering. No hovering with support.
Is fine. Yes, lots of hand hand hand
sanitizer after but like I just thought it was.
Just. Whatever.
I think that both of them are absolutely insufferable.
(23:14):
They're made for each other and all of their segments were just
utterly useless and I don't care.
Yeah. Was this whole master Evil plan
from the beginning a complete contrived thing that he wanted
to inject as something fun and exciting when they had actually
already planned to move back to England?
Because it really doesn't seem like it took all that much for
(23:36):
Sam to be completely turned off the idea of living in Turkey.
And she's changed her mind. Yes, plus the money thing.
That was a huge discrepancy. In this episode, he talked about
how easy it would be for him, just him, not her, but just him,
to save up enough money, 2000 lbs to get the visa to go live
(23:57):
in England. And when she introduced herself
at the beginning of this season,she said the visa was £10,000.
Yeah. So what the F is going on here?
Bunch of BS. And also if this was his plan
all along, his evil plan, yes, why wouldn't he have started
saving up? Has he started saving up?
Why wouldn't they both save up? They could both contribute and
(24:19):
do it faster, and rather than ittaking six months or eight
months, it takes 4. It's so stupid green.
All right. Well, anyway, good luck to both
of you. They're going to go live in
England. Yay.
Let's read on to Xena and Abraham.
My. Favorite part of the episode
actually occurred during their segments.
(24:40):
Did you think about me? I always think about you when
I'm. Watching the show.
Was it because of the monkeys? Yes, I thought so it was.
I love the monkeys. This was a great idea to go do
this. Even though Xena says she's
afraid of monkeys, This was a creative idea and I love a place
(25:03):
like this. I want to go to a monkey museum,
zoo, park, whatever, where you can just go and interact with
them. Fun.
I thought it was an excellent idea.
I thought she was way over the top.
Like, have you never left the resort where there are no
monkeys around when you were with Ibrahim at his compound
with his family? Like, you can't tell me that
(25:25):
you've never seen a monkey before, but clearly she has
because she says she's terrifiedof them.
But oh, my God, that was so funny.
When she went to go put the peanuts in front of the one
monkey, what did she call him? I don't know.
She called this one monkey something, Mr. Greedy Pants or
something. And she throws them on the
ground. And then another little monkey
(25:45):
comes to get it and he slaps themonkey.
Know how I laughed? I had to watch it a couple
times. It was just my God, that was so
adorable. And it just really surprised me.
I've never seen a monkey slap another monkey before.
So like it was just, it was like.
Grandpa Monkey, Grandpa Monkey shooing the little kid away and
(26:07):
get out of here. Nuts it.
Was very cute, especially when you put it like that.
So now we get the flashback to 8months ago when Xena was having
a lumpectomy to remove some breast cancer.
Obviously very sad, traumatic for her, lots of recovery time.
(26:27):
But I think this sheds a little bit more light on why she is the
way she is. We understand a little bit more
of her very strong desire to find love, to have fun right now
because she's had this scare with cancer.
Very, very real scare. This actually come to my
(26:49):
heartstrings more than the actual wedding did because, you
know, my best friend lost her mom to breast cancer and it's
like, OK, this gives us a littlemore insight as to why she is
the way that she is. However, this only happened
eight years ago and she's been with.
That's what I meant eight monthsago.
But she's been with Ibrahim for two years, so I wonder how she
(27:11):
was before that and that how howmuch her behavior has escalated
since then, and maybe that's whyher family is so concerned about
it now. Like, my heart really goes out
to her. I can't imagine how terrifying
that must have been for her, though.
I don't see this as, like, a reason for her behavior.
Maybe the drinking. Maybe her drinking has
escalated. Yeah, but but we don't know.
(27:33):
We don't know what she was like before.
No. And I'm thinking back to when we
first met her, she was talking about how much she loves to go
dancing, how much she loves drinking with her friends and
how she's had several plastic surgeries.
So that all seems like it's pattern that probably goes back
in time quite. A bit, yeah.
(27:53):
Pre breast cancer, pre operation.
My guess is she's always been this way but it's this has
brought it out in her even more.But I wanted to know why has
this been kept a secret from us as viewers until now?
Why couldn't we have known this right from the start when we
were introduced to Xena? My fear is.
My fear is that she's going to go home, she's going to go back
(28:16):
for a scan, and it's returned. I hope that's not the case, but
I think that would, I don't know, from a production
standpoint, I mean, if you're really going to gain the
viewership or gain that kind of emotional connection with a
character or cast, why wouldn't you make mention of, you know,
in one of the previews? Oh, no, no, something's
happening. Oh no.
(28:37):
But there hasn't been any of that.
So I think the timing is questionable.
I really hope there's a reason for it.
Not for, I mean, I guess for everyone's sake, I hope there is
there's timing for the reason for it.
Oh my God, I'm talking in circles.
Help me. I don't know why they have kept
(28:58):
the secret for so long. It would have, I think, been
better placed at the beginning when we could have known that
about Xena and understood a little bit more of where her
party character comes from, for lack of a better word.
Like, it just seems oddly placedthat at this moment when they're
(29:18):
at the Monkey Park and they're talking about this thing in the
past, why didn't we already knowthat she had gone through that?
It just seemed really strangely placed in the storyline.
Yeah. Have they not talked about it
previously? Because it seems as though he
brings it up and they're like Dun Dun Dun 8 months before.
Is it so that they're they can create this feeling of intimacy
(29:40):
between the couple? Because they're talking about
this very emotional moment in Zena's life, which presumably
Ibrahim shared in, although he wasn't even in the country with
her when it happened. Is that what they're trying to
set us up for? Like this closeness pre
proposal, they're they're tryingto make it seem like there
actually is a bond between thesetwo people rather than us all
(30:03):
thinking, which I think we all are at this point, that he is
just scamming her. Like maybe they're just trying
to create a a narrative that is a little bit more romantic in
order to facilitate this beautiful proposal that comes
next. Some kind of like redeeming arc
for him? Yes, exactly.
He. Didn't leave when she had breast
(30:24):
cancer. Now he wants to propose, which
he does and he doesn't even say will you marry me?
I forget what his actual words were, but I'm like, that is the
most lackluster proposal I thought he said.
Will you marry me? I think he just there was.
AI can't. I want to have you in my life
forever. Something like that.
(30:45):
And then he gets down on a knee.Will you marry?
No. OK, I don't, I don't, I don't
know, maybe I checked out because I'm like, this man is so
full of shit. I don't believe a word that
comes out of his mouth. The only thing that I believe
that came out of his mouth and that I wrote down was I cannot
afford to lose you, babe. You can't afford it.
Literally. Literally, I didn't like this
(31:08):
proposal very much. I mean, he brought her back to
the place where they had their first date.
Sure, romantic point for that, but.
We've seen that so many times inthis season.
You know, we went back to the place where we first had our
first date or the first picnic or.
Something, yeah. Like OK, this isn't original.
Nope, he didn't have any flowers.
He didn't even pick any of the wildflowers along the way to
(31:29):
surprise her like he did last time.
That's true. It was not very original.
And then meanwhile, Zena is talking about how she has a
little nagging feeling at the back of her head.
That's what she said about is Ibrahim actually using her?
Yes, he is he a little a little little nagging feeling at the
(31:54):
back of her head. The furthest away it should be
right here in big red letters. He's.
Had that nagging feeling before she even left left England.
Yes, yeah, I know. So how has his dishonesty and
his behavior not made this like a massive red flag factory for
you? Yeah, I don't understand why it
(32:14):
hasn't reinforced the belief forher that he is trying to get
something from her, IE money andthat's it.
Maybe a ticket to England. We don't get an answer for the
proposal this week. Of course not.
We have to wait and see what happens next week.
Are you leaning either way? Yes.
No. I think she's going to say yes
(32:34):
based on the random facial expressions that we had seen or
that we were shown, and just based on her absolute
desperation, yeah. Yeah, which is?
I agree and I think she's going to say yes as well because of
what she said the last time about thinking that this was her
last chance to find love and that Ibrahim was her one true
(32:59):
love, both of which I completelydisagree with.
I don't think either one of those statements is true.
I agree. Any final comments before we
wrap up the show today? I hope the next episode is going
to be better. Yes, well, next episode is 11
and then we have 12 and then I believe it's the tell all.
So things are going to be closedoff very soon.
(33:20):
You notice we haven't heard fromMette and Shannon at all.
The Shannon, The Shannon, excuseme?
So their storyline is done, wrapped up, put away.
Or maybe we're going to have onebig finale.
I mean, they already did get engaged, so are we going to see
them get married or is that whatever?
I don't care. I'm sorry I'm I'm super bitchy
(33:42):
today. That's quite all right.
We like a bit of spice on our show, don't we?
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