September 21, 2025 • 37 mins
The Tell-All is here! The couples update us on how their relationships are going, or how they’ve doing as singles again. There are more than a few surprises, and some bad behaviour from the usual suspects.
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Hi, Amy. Happy.
Today we watched Nighty Day Fiance UK episode 13 of season
4, also known as the Tell All. Wow.
Oh, that's. What I have to say, I didn't.
I didn't write many notes at all.
It felt like it was like an hourand a half of people irritating
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each other and walking off the stage, but also slight flecks of
entertainment with my sweet. Judy Love, so I wanted to ask
you this, what did you think of her hosting?
I thought she was. Fantastic.
I thought she she brought some humor to the show, like a lot of
confusion. Like I felt like she was saying
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everything that I was thinking what everything was going on and
just so much more enjoyable thanSean.
What did you think? That she sucked.
Really. Yes, completely.
I really missed OK last year we had Cath from Ryan, who's also a
comedian. I thought she was fantastic.
She's hilarious. She is really.
She is so deadpan. I love her sense of humor.
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This one, she didn't ask anything.
I wanted to know. It was just, hey, how are things
going? How's your relationship?
OK, next couple, where's the question for Zena?
Why didn't you ever stand up foryourself and really ask Ibrahim
what the hell was going on? Why didn't you push and figure
out stuff with him? There were no difficult
questions. There were no questions at all,
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except for how are things going in your relationship?
What's next for you? OK, bye.
Bye. OK, that's fair.
I still think she's better than Sean.
But Sean has never hosted 90 DayUK.
The only other host we've ever had is Catherine and she was the
best and I don't understand why she did.
She didn't come again this year.I got nothing on that one.
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I just, I don't even, I'm not even confident that I saw the
episode with Catherine Ryan. Well, if you haven't, go back
and watch it 'cause it's so funny.
Before we get any deeper, let's quickly do the 1:00 and 2:00 one
rate review and follow us wherever you listen to the
podcast. And two, watch the podcast on
YouTube at 90 Day Fiance. Honestly, let's dive in.
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I don't have any particular order, so do you want to just
figure out what couple you want to talk about first and we'll go
from there? Well, before we start talking
about the actual couples, I really wanted to give a shout
out to Sam because I think she was slightly redeeming.
Really. This episode, yeah, I found her
to be quite fun and funny. She made she made a couple
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really fun comments. I didn't write them all down but
her talking about Ali breaking his toes and her saying drunk
Turkish men in wet floors don't work and then when I forget who
said what but someone said something and Sam almost spit
her drink out and that made me almost spit my drink out.
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Anyway I just I found her to be fairly enjoyable up until their
their big blow up. We might as well start with Era
and Andy because I think that was the first one that they
focused on. Oh my God.
Oh my God. So much.
Me too. And I love them so much more
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now. I just, I love the way that the
two of them are together, the way that they just, they're
their little banter together, the way that they support each
other. It's just a beautiful couple to
see. Like I feel really blessed that
they were casted and we got to experience their relationship.
They are as delightful as ever in this episode.
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I found that their bond has really strengthened in whatever
amount of time it has been sincewe last saw them.
Her describing how much she had to give up in order to come to
England when she was refuting whatever horrible troll it was
that said that she and her family are using Andy as an ATM.
She gets really emotional and choked up about this.
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But not so incredibly obvious that this couple is in love and
there's. There's no question that they
got married for love. And what she had to give up is
incredibly substantial and can'tbe taken out of the equation
when you consider the sacrificesthat each of them had to make.
And what does that have to do with whether or not he's giving
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her family any money or helping them out at all?
I mean, she has her own job in England.
She can send the money if she wants to.
I was really offended by that remark.
Yeah, me too. But I also loved, you know,
before she got emotional. When they brought it up, she
laughed. She started to laugh it off and
said, yeah, where's the money? And I thought that that was a
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really cute quip from her, but Ican only imagine what that would
be like for her, for people to be saying that kind of stuff.
And I really don't understand why people feel the need to to
go online and to say stuff like that when it's completely and
utterly unnecessary. What does that have to do with
your life? I mean, I say it, that's even
though, you know, we have a podcast talking about these
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people, but like. I get the irony, but there has
never been a question of money being exchanged between this
couple or for him to give to herfamily.
Never once. And yet we've seen that with
some of the other couples where it's obvious that something else
is happening. So where they get this idea
from, it's it's just pure, like malevolent imaginings.
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Where did this come from and whydo you have to say it?
It's not like, you know, Zena and Ibrahim with him actually
asking her for money and her actually sending him money and
then his family relying on her money, that that's never been a
thing between the two of them. Money has never come up between
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the two of them. And like Andy says, her family
is fairly well off. They're considered a middle
class family in the Philippines.Why would there be a need for
them to trap him and take all his money?
Anyway, let's move on there. There are several emotional
moments in this segment with ourand Andy and everybody, well,
almost everybody on stage is brought to tears by the things
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that they're saying to one another because they are so
heartfelt and so genuine. And you mentioned Sam before.
She has to take a moment to walkoff stage because she's so
shaken up by what's going on. And I was trying to imagine at
first I thought, oh, is she justcalling attention to herself?
This was, this seems like a Sam kind of thing to do.
But then I was like, no, I thinkthe reason why she had to leave
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is because she's being faced so clearly with a real connection,
a true love between the these two people.
And she can't help but compare that to what she has in her
marriage with Allie, and it justmakes her feel absolutely.
Awful empty. She wants what they have and I,
I picked up the exact same thingbecause at first I was like, oh,
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I don't hear her saying I'm withthe dramatics.
But then to actually hear her explain herself like I could
really like I I felt for her in that moment and I felt bad for
her, surprisingly. I did not.
No, sorry, not sorry, I mean. These are her choices, so she's
reaping the benefits and or consequences of her own actions
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and decisions. Yes, and her decision to be with
him and her. Decision to be nasty, yes.
Yes, I didn't see too much nastiness from her in this
episode. I.
Don't want to talk about her yet.
OK, OK, go on. Yeah.
So everyone was brought to tears.
They showed that that video of ours mom, I thought that was so
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beautiful and I actually had to take a moment because I just I
thought it was so sweet, especially when she ended the
the call with I love you both. Adorable.
Just just so. Genuine it's been, I mean, David
and Sheila I think were the lastgenuine, genuine couple that
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we've seen and to see this againwas just just so, so refreshing
and enjoyable and. It was beautiful.
The only other piece of news that I picked up from this
segment was that our and Andy are still trying to have a baby.
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And interestingly, because I wondered about this myself,
they're doing IVF because it maybe a way that they can prevent
passing on his brittle bone syndrome to a child.
So fantastic. Love science?
I, I think that's absolutely incredible that they have that
forethought. You know, they did say that
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they're still trying naturally. However, I love that they're
thinking about their future and how that would impact their
their children and they're goingthrough the necessary steps to
avoid it as much as possible. I think that's just so wise and
considerate for their kids. Who would you like to discuss
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next? None of them.
Excellent. Goodbye, everybody.
Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week.
I felt like there was just so much of the nothingness until
there was the fighting and, you know, just the amount of times
that people walked off stage wasjust what where you going?
OK. He covered back.
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That was a little silly. I think Finn and Sandra, thank
you. I think they were next.
All right, so we've got both of them together, which is a little
surprising. I thought Sandra for sure would
still be in Brazil, but it's nice that she's there in person.
Finn looked great. He's lost a lot of weight.
That was one of the first thingsthat I the main note of was he
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lost a lot of weight. He looks, he looks so different,
so good, so good. I mean, he looked fantastic, I
think. Who else?
Where was it? Ara looked absolutely
phenomenal. Xena, Oh my God, she looked
incredible. Anyway, yes, Finn lost a lot of
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weight. But he did wear the bean mask to
start with, which I was like, oh.
That's what made Sam spit or drink out.
Yes, yeah. I didn't think that was
necessary, but whatever. It's his sense of humor.
It's we don't always understand no British sense of humor.
Not always, not always. But before they get started on
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the show and all of the cast is in the green room, Finn is
talking to the other men and he's talking about wanting to
propose to Sandra again. And I was like, what?
No, don't do this. And then there's like that aside
interview with Sandra where she says, I don't want it to be
public. I don't want this.
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I want it to be like this. And he was talking about doing
it on the air. I'm like, Oh my God, are you
going to fall flat again? Well, it did kind of seem like a
bit of a setup because obviouslyhe's had that conversation with
her before because he knew at the very, very end what to do.
So he knew that she wanted it tobe private.
He knew that he want she, she wanted it to be romantic for
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there to be some thought put into it.
And yet he's proposing this ideato, I think it was Andy, as if
what her opinion doesn't matter.He's not going to take that into
consideration. For the second time.
That seemed like a it was going to be a big misstep.
But on the other hand, because he was talking to Andy about
this idea, I thought Andy was the perfect person.
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He's so sweet, so kind, and justgently suggesting that maybe
Finn should look for a less public venue for this event and
choose something that Sandra will love.
His response was so diplomatic. It was gentle, it was kind, it
was compassionate, and his pointreally got across.
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Like, I think he really impactedFinn's decision, or at least I
hope he did. Seemed like he did.
I loved that, that interaction, that kind guidance, and it
worked. Out then when the couple is on
the couch and it's their turn tobe interviewed, there's an an
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unnecessary guest maybe Hal Louisa comes on screen from
Brazil and what do you know she still isn't on Finn's side she's
still against him being. Killed to please.
Yes, Sandra's husband and the stepfather to Sandra's kids.
Even though Finn says, look, I've grown, I've matured, things
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have changed. And we've witnessed that during
the course of the season. We've seen the transformation in
him. Yes, he's had his moments where
he wobbled even after he got to the point where he could accept
that he had to become a stepfather if he was going to be
with Sandra. So I just don't understand why
Hal Louisa is so hell bent on driving a wedge almost between
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the couple. Maybe she should could consider
supporting her sister and allowing Sandra to make her own
choices and then if there's a problem, if there's a failure at
some point, then Halloween can step in and help her sister and
support her even more. But I just don't get this
staunch adversarial kind of position towards Finn when it's
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clear how much Sandra loves him.Yeah, I can.
I can appreciate that. I don't know what her actual
like, what she's trying to get out of it.
I think that her bond with Sandra is strong enough that
this isn't going to put a wedge between the two of them.
However, it may alternate how Sandra approaches her
communication with her sister when it comes to her
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relationship. Does that make sense?
Yes, absolutely. I've I found it really gut
wrenching. When pudding.
When Sandra said I love Finn andI also love my family, she is
definitely conflicted over this and there's no reason for her to
be that way. If her family would just, and in
particular Heloisea would just say you know what, it's your
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choice and I support you no matter what.
So if if he's the guy you want to marry, I'm on board.
I think it would be different ifshe had a history of bad
decisions when it comes to men. However, we've seen how how Finn
has reacted with regards to Heloisa inviting the the acts to
family gatherings. So it doesn't seem as though
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this is this is pattern for Sandra to pick the wrong man.
I think it's very specific to Finn.
And that is like, that has to beso difficult for her to juggle,
you know, with her sister not appreciating Finn and Finn
constantly questioning whether or not Eloise is trying to get
her back with her ex. And there's just a lot of drama,
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unnecessary drama. Yes, well, the couple is still
engaged. It's a sort of kind of
situation, I think. And Finn says the next step is
that he has to move to Brazil. OK, yes, we already know this.
Thank you, Finn. When and he says soon as if
that's helpful. Very committal, yeah.
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Yes, he mentioned taking baby steps and that's fine, but I
still think you can have a deadline in mind, like in one
year or in two years if he needsmore time.
I still don't have too much faith when somebody says yes, I
will do that soon. Is that just me?
I just feel like that that's noncommittal.
No, my, my face is just because I I used that phrase this week.
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I will get that to you soon. Yeah, in a work situation I get
it, but I. Mean or shortly or something,
but I'm like, I'll get to it when I get to it, Sir.
It's like to my. Realm of child, Yeah, it's not
my relationship doesn't. Work.
No, I think it's different in a relationship setting.
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Anyway, that's all I have on them.
Do you, do you have any other comments for the couple minus of
course, the final scene. OK, shall we move on to Sarah
and Marco? This is going to be so.
Easy, they got married. Good for them and.
My only comment they got married.
Mike I have I have a couple of comments.
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One is they seem very lovey dovey.
They were always touching each other and looking at each other
and giving the secret glances and little, you know, couple
stuff. And when it when they announced
that they got married, I was like, oh, OK, so you guys are
newlyweds. This makes sense.
The wedding was in Italy and great news, they plan to have a
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family at some point. The end.
OK, well my biggest disappointment was that they
didn't show any of the food. As usual.
Why would they? Why would they do that to us?
I mean, there's been so much food in this season and yet you
failed on the Italian wedding food.
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Come on anyway. Maybe there'll be a spin off
series just for the wedding and then you can get your food.
Maybe. Satisfaction.
Level up. Who's next?
You choose. I feel like we just completely
skipped over Xena and Ibrahim. All right, let's do them next.
Well, I didn't have much to say about them.
They they were talking about her, her video about, you know,
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being stranded in The Gambia andshe said that it was a friggin
joke. She said it was a skit, yes.
OK, Yeah. So this is where she lost me.
I I have 0 respect for Xena at this point 0 because OK fine.
You wanted to do a skit. Did you not think that some
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people would take this seriouslyand believe you?
Which makes you a liar And or ifyou are trying to cover up for
yourself because it was true andyou're embarrassed, now what?
You're a liar. Yeah, she's just, she's lost all
credibility completely. It's as if you know how some
people go online and they pretend to be sick in order to
garner sympathy and even money from other people.
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It's like that. She, she tricked us all and I am
done with her. Finished.
Thank you Zena, this is not whatI came here for.
No, and like to see their like her trajectory and our
appreciation of her from the very beginning and how that just
blew up in our faces. You know, she was phenomenal at
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the very beginning and then the more that we got to know her and
that's why I love this show so much is sometimes it's not
predictable. So I found this very, very
surprising and very, very disappointing.
Xena do better and grow. Up the one thing that I did
learn from this, it solidified the fact in me for me that she
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and Ibrahim are actually deserving of each other because
they both lie, they both manipulate, they're both at that
level of not thinking there's something wrong with trying to
deceive somebody for your own gain.
So fuck you both. Bye bye.
Powerful words. Anything else that you want to
mention when it comes to them? Nope.
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Excellent. Me either.
Shall we go to Shorna? I love the fact that Adnan
didn't show up. Me too.
That was so poetic. It was a classic move.
I loved it. I thought it was great for him
not to show up and yet I was a little sad, not because he
wasn't there, but just because he wouldn't have been able to
defend himself. And I thought that he deserved
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that at. Least I learned that he dropped
off the face of the earth for two months while in that
two-month period she had decidedto convert to become a Muslim
Mormon Mormon. Thank you, that's what I meant.
Sorry about that interesting series of events.
Yes, he comes back into your life and you just don't tell
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him. OK, great.
That fact. That their relationship had
these gaps in it for two to three months at a time also
taught me something, which is that it was 100% about sex and
nothing else. Because to have that kind of
turn the tap on, turn the tap off relationship where you're
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not communicating at all and yetyou go and travel there and you
guys have lots and lots of sex means that's what it is.
She was a sex tourist and he washer toy boy.
This whole thing was a setup toyboy boy toy.
Yeah. Toy boy, boy toy.
And she was completely off her head thinking that after she
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turned Mormon, she would make the relationship work based on
anything but the one thing that had held them together for all
this time. Yeah, great.
I was really surprised, though, when Andy came to her defense.
It was nice of him to do that. But I was like, what does he see
that I'm not seeing? Because I don't.
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I didn't feel whatever it was that he was feeling that made
him want to stand up for her anddefend her.
Did you have any insight? Absolutely not.
OK, I have. I have no idea.
I think maybe it's his natural instinct to just want to defend
vulnerable people and I don't know.
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I wouldn't even say that Shawn is vulnerable.
Like she made all these choices on her own.
She openly deceived her boyfriend for like almost a year
before she told him about the whole Mormonism thing.
I think it's just Andy's heart. That makes sense.
I wondered if it had to do with her daughter.
When her daughter came on stage,Shawna had a very emotional
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breakdown and had to leave for alittle while to gather herself.
I couldn't figure out where thatemotion was coming from unless
it had to do with the fact that she loves her.
Obviously she loves her daughterso so much, but she also
recognizes in her daughter that she is steadfast and mature and
grown up and Shawna's own self is not.
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Yes. So maybe it was recognizing her
own failures by seeing her daughter, who is such a
fantastic woman, come on stage that made her.
But I have no idea. That was just completely
conjecture. It could.
Be extreme guilt because she's now screwed up yet again.
How many relationships, failed relationships has she put her
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kid through? Who knows.
I don't know was it was just over the top.
But I love that she started off at the very, very top of the
show by saying that she has God on her side.
I was like, wow, great. You've already won, Shorna.
You know, what's the point of even being there?
Maybe God can lend you a hand with those eye bags.
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And what is what's the issue with that?
Because like over the last couple episodes she's just
looked worse and worse. Like she's just super, super
tired. But even the makeup couldn't
cover it up. Well, she's probably in full
blown perimenopause. Maybe she's not sleeping.
Each. To the choir.
I know, I know, I know. I feel your pain.
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Been there, done that. Snorted.
Got the sticker snorted. I think I've slept 10 hours in
the last week. That's anyway, yes, move on.
The Shannon and Metag. The Drinking Game edition.
I loved when Judy brought that up.
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That was good. And then for her to say some
people are still in the hospital.
That was that was a memorable moment, I'll give you that.
I I really enjoyed that and I I also love the fact that both of
them could laugh about it. Yeah.
And also Shannon looked phenomenal, just an absolutely
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gorgeous human being. And Mattei surprisingly also
looked great. He looks like he lost a bit of
weight as well. Everyone just looked fantastic
at this tow wall. They did, yes.
And Andy's. Andy's suit was just so dashing.
OK. Anyway, Shannon and Mette.
OK, I have two things written down.
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The first one is a question. Does jealousy really come with
loving somebody? I also made a comment to the
same or a question of the same point.
Jealousy in the relationship? What?
Well, yes, we knew it was. There absolutely.
Like does that actually come with being in love with someone?
Because I don't think I've ever experienced that.
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No, I don't think so either. I definitely associate it with
an immature relationship, like something you might have when
you're a kid and you have a crush on somebody and they might
like somebody else and then you're jealous, you're so
jealous. But when you're in a solid,
engaged as they are relationship, why the hell is
this coming up? If it is, then maybe you should
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look into that. And why are you making excuses
for it? Like does that jealousy not stem
from trust issues? Perhaps you should look at the
root of the problem and not continue to make excuses for
your jealousy, because it's really unbecoming.
Yes, I hope they can get over it.
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I I, yeah, second comment that Iwrote down is they are not
married yet. Shannon has yet to move to
Turkey. That's that's it.
My only other comment was her explanation of their
communication style. Is stupid.
How did she explain their communication style?
Well, it was something to the effect of, you know, she tried
to dumb down her English. All right.
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Yeah, so that's why she spoke inthe broken English, which we've
we've talked about before, but it's so irritating and I think
it's just completely and utterlystupid.
How is he supposed to learn the actual nuances of speaking the
language if you're dumbing it down for him?
And he even said he could understand everybody on stage
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and he can understand her when she speaks normal English.
So there's no reason for her to do it.
She's. Wasting so much energy.
But I also wonder if she's just,I don't know, exhausted from
talking to him. So now she just drops words
because she doesn't have the energy for.
I don't, I don't know. I just, I have.
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Yeah, that's my comment. OK.
Anyway, are we on to the last one now?
Let's go. For it, Sam and Allie take it
away. Oh.
God, my only comment that I madefor them is they're going to get
a divorce. That was the triggered by the
tell all. Just.
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What happened I? Have.
I have no idea she was on about the gaming.
Yes. And then all of a sudden he was
just like, Oh yeah, well, I willdivorce you and I don't.
I don't understand what I actually have.
Well, we. Had a tit for tat there.
So first he says, I'll divorce you if you come back to Turkey
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because she has been wasting so much money in traveling back and
forth. And, and we saw in the very last
episode that we saw them in thatthey agreed they were going to
save everything up now because it's only 2000 lbs for the visa.
Let's save up for the visa. And yet she's continued to just
do her own thing and travel there.
So he can't come because they have no money.
So he issues an ultimatum. Come to Turkey again, we will
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divorce. And we all know how ultimatums
work, yes? The way that ultimatums work is
that you deliver an ultimatum toyour partner, and then they get
so enraged that they deliver their own ultimatum in response,
which is exactly what happened. And this is toxicity speaking to
toxicity. Yes, Affirmative.
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Confirmed. Absolutely Yes.
Yes. Wow, this was so sick.
So awful. So messy.
Painful to watch and I'm sure it's going to be super painful
when Sam watches it back becauseI'm pretty sure Ali is not going
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to give a shit. But I'm really surprised she
didn't have more to say about his, like watching the clips of
him talking about his evil plan.I was very intrigued by her
focus on the gaming as the root of all evil, rather than looking
at how they interact with one another and how maybe there's a
problem there. Because personally, I don't have
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an issue with the gaming. I think everybody's allowed to
have their own thing that they do as a pastime, and we haven't
seen enough to know if Ali has an addiction.
They were throwing around this word addiction.
I think Xena was the one who wastalking about it.
I'm like Xena, you don't know. He could be playing for a couple
of hours a day to wind down at the end of the day after he's
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worked. He could be playing every single
moment that he has spare, which yes, would be an addiction.
We don't know and I find it verycontrolling of Sam to go about
this problem that they're havingwith their own communication
with each other by saying you don't give me enough attention.
You're always gaming and that's that's the cause of all of our
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issues and therefore if you don't stop gaming, I will
divorce you. Right.
There's a level of balance because we again, we don't know
how much he's gaming, though I have first hand experience what
it's like to be with someone whois addicted to gaming, addicted,
addicted and it destroyed the relationship.
Again, we don't know how like how deep this goes.
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We know that he left her to readthe English version of the Quran
at a cafe so that he could go and play, but we don't really
know anything outside of that. So how much is he actually
playing? And is she just harping on his
hobby or is it an actual addiction that's impacting their
relationship? Right.
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And because we're not given enough information, I I feel
like it's I'm not able to make my judgement on whether or not
his habit is a problem. But for at the moment, I'm
basing my judgments on what I'm seeing on the screen.
And what I'm seeing is her beingvery, very reactive, defensive
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towards him and and him trying to be practical in certain
things like the visa and not having her travel as much so
that they can save up to be together.
I also feel how difficult it is for him to express himself when
it comes to those thoughts. And So what he's getting across
is maybe not the right message. So I feel like there's a lot
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that's lost in the translation as he's thinking in Turkish and
trying to explain it. In English, I think that's fair
and compassionate perspective and I'd.
But I also feel like this couplefrom the beginning has pushed
each other's buttons so hard that they'd no, they're just.
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So volatile together, so aggressive.
And even during their argument, Andy had to walk off stage
because the aggression made him feel very uncomfortable.
First of all, good for you, Andy.
You remove yourself from that environment, from that energy.
You do not need to absorb that. And also, Sam and Ally, like,
just break up. Nobody cares.
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Yeah, I agree. I think he should find somebody
who is truly interested in having him come to the UK
because he truly, truly wants that.
That's and clear from the beginning that he is interested
in a life in England rather thanliving in Turkey.
So find somebody who's on the same wavelength as you.
One of the things that I absolutely loved during
Simonelli's segment. Sam and Ally.
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I'm like, who's Simonelli? Someone new?
Then saying you seem like a really happy couple.
When Judy asked what his opinionof the status of things was, I
was like, yes. Love, love the.
Sarcasm fan, keep it up. That's really good, that British
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humor coming through again. I found Sam's anti gaming stance
is really all about making Ali look bad, making people believe
that he doesn't care enough about her so she's making him
into the bad guy, when in fact she's very much responsible for
things going badly. I don't know, and I really also
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don't care. I just hope that we don't have
to see either one of them again.OK, well my final thought that
I'll leave you with on Sam is I feel like I do know that that is
her intention because of the wayshe acts with everybody else.
Wait, what's her intention? Her intention is to make Ali
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look like the bad guy and to escape any culpability in the
failure of their marriage because she disguises her
rudeness as honesty and being forthright.
Oh, it's just, you know, my, my habit from where I'm from.
I'm just being honest and open with people.
Shut your trap. Well, there's a difference
between being honest and blunt versus just being rude.
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If you can't find anything better to say about all the
other couples then they're boring.
Then shut your trap. This is not helpful.
This is doesn't reflect well on you and we don't need to hear it
there. She only thinks that they're
boring because they don't have that toxic aggressive
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relationship style that she has with Allie.
Like look at our and Andy just so loving, so supportive, no
arguments, no no threatening of divorcing.
And like it's like Sam and Ally's relationship is just so
toxic. So I think in order to make
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herself feel better, she has to shit on everyone else.
All right then. So I think the only thing left
is the final scene. Oh.
Yes, that one. My brain, my brain just like
left my body. First back in there.
But yeah, the final scene, that was so weird for them just to
stand up or for him to like pullher during filming and take it
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outside. Like I wonder if that was pre
planned because obviously all the cameras followed him outside
that he can propose again. But I'm glad that he followed
Andy's advice and did it in a more secluded area.
But I was also glad that she said yes.
And she also reconfirmed, are you moving to Brazil?
He said yes. So now they've both said yes.
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Commitment made. This was an infinitely better
proposal than the first one, the.
First one was just so cringy. The sunset in the background and
him saying to her, you know, I Iknow you always said that you
wanted something romantic like asunset in the background.
Good for you Finn. Listening as always appreciated
by your woman speaking in Portuguese a little bit to her.
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Was beautiful well. Done getting down on one knee.
Well done. Then also, he was able to give
her what she asked for the firsttime.
Hugs as well as kisses. There were smiles.
The feeling was completely different in this proposal than
it was in the recording studio of the radio station, so I was
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extremely happy about this. I wonder if he had a
conversation with production andhe's like, can someone keep an
eye out on the sunset and let meknow when it looks nice and then
we will run out. And I think that's why they had
the cameras ready to follow him outside, right, To do that.
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So I, I, I think it was really like a community effort to, to
actually make that happen. And it was successful and I'm
very happy. For him, nice.
Any last thoughts about this fourth season of 90 Day Fiance
Uki? Want to slap my desk right now?
Enjoyable, yes. You know, we've we've gone
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through so much with all of the other 90 day franchises and this
one was just such a breath of fresh air.
Some enjoyable couples and enjoyable enough that it made
the toxic ones almost nonexistent.
What are your thoughts? I love this season.
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The couples were fantastic -1 - 1 the repeat couple is not
necessary. Thank you very much.
Just one, just one. And please, please, please bring
now. I've forgotten her name.
Catherine Ryan. That's it.
Please bring Catherine Brian back for the towel.
She's the best. Now I'm going to have to go and
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watch that, so. Yeah.
Now I have something to do this afternoon that doesn't fold
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Thanks everyone.
Hi, Amy. Happy.
Today we watched Nighty Day Fiance UK episode 13 of season
4, also known as the Tell All. Wow.
Oh, that's. What I have to say, I didn't.
I didn't write many notes at all.
It felt like it was like an hourand a half of people irritating
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each other and walking off the stage, but also slight flecks of
entertainment with my sweet. Judy Love, so I wanted to ask
you this, what did you think of her hosting?
I thought she was. Fantastic.
I thought she she brought some humor to the show, like a lot of
confusion. Like I felt like she was saying
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everything that I was thinking what everything was going on and
just so much more enjoyable thanSean.
What did you think? That she sucked.
Really. Yes, completely.
I really missed OK last year we had Cath from Ryan, who's also a
comedian. I thought she was fantastic.
She's hilarious. She is really.
She is so deadpan. I love her sense of humor.
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This one, she didn't ask anything.
I wanted to know. It was just, hey, how are things
going? How's your relationship?
OK, next couple, where's the question for Zena?
Why didn't you ever stand up foryourself and really ask Ibrahim
what the hell was going on? Why didn't you push and figure
out stuff with him? There were no difficult
questions. There were no questions at all,
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except for how are things going in your relationship?
What's next for you? OK, bye.
Bye. OK, that's fair.
I still think she's better than Sean.
But Sean has never hosted 90 DayUK.
The only other host we've ever had is Catherine and she was the
best and I don't understand why she did.
She didn't come again this year.I got nothing on that one.
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I just, I don't even, I'm not even confident that I saw the
episode with Catherine Ryan. Well, if you haven't, go back
and watch it 'cause it's so funny.
Before we get any deeper, let's quickly do the 1:00 and 2:00 one
rate review and follow us wherever you listen to the
podcast. And two, watch the podcast on
YouTube at 90 Day Fiance. Honestly, let's dive in.
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I don't have any particular order, so do you want to just
figure out what couple you want to talk about first and we'll go
from there? Well, before we start talking
about the actual couples, I really wanted to give a shout
out to Sam because I think she was slightly redeeming.
Really. This episode, yeah, I found her
to be quite fun and funny. She made she made a couple
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really fun comments. I didn't write them all down but
her talking about Ali breaking his toes and her saying drunk
Turkish men in wet floors don't work and then when I forget who
said what but someone said something and Sam almost spit
her drink out and that made me almost spit my drink out.
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Anyway I just I found her to be fairly enjoyable up until their
their big blow up. We might as well start with Era
and Andy because I think that was the first one that they
focused on. Oh my God.
Oh my God. So much.
Me too. And I love them so much more
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now. I just, I love the way that the
two of them are together, the way that they just, they're
their little banter together, the way that they support each
other. It's just a beautiful couple to
see. Like I feel really blessed that
they were casted and we got to experience their relationship.
They are as delightful as ever in this episode.
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I found that their bond has really strengthened in whatever
amount of time it has been sincewe last saw them.
Her describing how much she had to give up in order to come to
England when she was refuting whatever horrible troll it was
that said that she and her family are using Andy as an ATM.
She gets really emotional and choked up about this.
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But not so incredibly obvious that this couple is in love and
there's. There's no question that they
got married for love. And what she had to give up is
incredibly substantial and can'tbe taken out of the equation
when you consider the sacrificesthat each of them had to make.
And what does that have to do with whether or not he's giving
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her family any money or helping them out at all?
I mean, she has her own job in England.
She can send the money if she wants to.
I was really offended by that remark.
Yeah, me too. But I also loved, you know,
before she got emotional. When they brought it up, she
laughed. She started to laugh it off and
said, yeah, where's the money? And I thought that that was a
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really cute quip from her, but Ican only imagine what that would
be like for her, for people to be saying that kind of stuff.
And I really don't understand why people feel the need to to
go online and to say stuff like that when it's completely and
utterly unnecessary. What does that have to do with
your life? I mean, I say it, that's even
though, you know, we have a podcast talking about these
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people, but like. I get the irony, but there has
never been a question of money being exchanged between this
couple or for him to give to herfamily.
Never once. And yet we've seen that with
some of the other couples where it's obvious that something else
is happening. So where they get this idea
from, it's it's just pure, like malevolent imaginings.
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Where did this come from and whydo you have to say it?
It's not like, you know, Zena and Ibrahim with him actually
asking her for money and her actually sending him money and
then his family relying on her money, that that's never been a
thing between the two of them. Money has never come up between
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the two of them. And like Andy says, her family
is fairly well off. They're considered a middle
class family in the Philippines.Why would there be a need for
them to trap him and take all his money?
Anyway, let's move on there. There are several emotional
moments in this segment with ourand Andy and everybody, well,
almost everybody on stage is brought to tears by the things
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that they're saying to one another because they are so
heartfelt and so genuine. And you mentioned Sam before.
She has to take a moment to walkoff stage because she's so
shaken up by what's going on. And I was trying to imagine at
first I thought, oh, is she justcalling attention to herself?
This was, this seems like a Sam kind of thing to do.
But then I was like, no, I thinkthe reason why she had to leave
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is because she's being faced so clearly with a real connection,
a true love between the these two people.
And she can't help but compare that to what she has in her
marriage with Allie, and it justmakes her feel absolutely.
Awful empty. She wants what they have and I,
I picked up the exact same thingbecause at first I was like, oh,
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I don't hear her saying I'm withthe dramatics.
But then to actually hear her explain herself like I could
really like I I felt for her in that moment and I felt bad for
her, surprisingly. I did not.
No, sorry, not sorry, I mean. These are her choices, so she's
reaping the benefits and or consequences of her own actions
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and decisions. Yes, and her decision to be with
him and her. Decision to be nasty, yes.
Yes, I didn't see too much nastiness from her in this
episode. I.
Don't want to talk about her yet.
OK, OK, go on. Yeah.
So everyone was brought to tears.
They showed that that video of ours mom, I thought that was so
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beautiful and I actually had to take a moment because I just I
thought it was so sweet, especially when she ended the
the call with I love you both. Adorable.
Just just so. Genuine it's been, I mean, David
and Sheila I think were the lastgenuine, genuine couple that
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we've seen and to see this againwas just just so, so refreshing
and enjoyable and. It was beautiful.
The only other piece of news that I picked up from this
segment was that our and Andy are still trying to have a baby.
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And interestingly, because I wondered about this myself,
they're doing IVF because it maybe a way that they can prevent
passing on his brittle bone syndrome to a child.
So fantastic. Love science?
I, I think that's absolutely incredible that they have that
forethought. You know, they did say that
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they're still trying naturally. However, I love that they're
thinking about their future and how that would impact their
their children and they're goingthrough the necessary steps to
avoid it as much as possible. I think that's just so wise and
considerate for their kids. Who would you like to discuss
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next? None of them.
Excellent. Goodbye, everybody.
Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week.
I felt like there was just so much of the nothingness until
there was the fighting and, you know, just the amount of times
that people walked off stage wasjust what where you going?
OK. He covered back.
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That was a little silly. I think Finn and Sandra, thank
you. I think they were next.
All right, so we've got both of them together, which is a little
surprising. I thought Sandra for sure would
still be in Brazil, but it's nice that she's there in person.
Finn looked great. He's lost a lot of weight.
That was one of the first thingsthat I the main note of was he
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lost a lot of weight. He looks, he looks so different,
so good, so good. I mean, he looked fantastic, I
think. Who else?
Where was it? Ara looked absolutely
phenomenal. Xena, Oh my God, she looked
incredible. Anyway, yes, Finn lost a lot of
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weight. But he did wear the bean mask to
start with, which I was like, oh.
That's what made Sam spit or drink out.
Yes, yeah. I didn't think that was
necessary, but whatever. It's his sense of humor.
It's we don't always understand no British sense of humor.
Not always, not always. But before they get started on
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the show and all of the cast is in the green room, Finn is
talking to the other men and he's talking about wanting to
propose to Sandra again. And I was like, what?
No, don't do this. And then there's like that aside
interview with Sandra where she says, I don't want it to be
public. I don't want this.
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I want it to be like this. And he was talking about doing
it on the air. I'm like, Oh my God, are you
going to fall flat again? Well, it did kind of seem like a
bit of a setup because obviouslyhe's had that conversation with
her before because he knew at the very, very end what to do.
So he knew that she wanted it tobe private.
He knew that he want she, she wanted it to be romantic for
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there to be some thought put into it.
And yet he's proposing this ideato, I think it was Andy, as if
what her opinion doesn't matter.He's not going to take that into
consideration. For the second time.
That seemed like a it was going to be a big misstep.
But on the other hand, because he was talking to Andy about
this idea, I thought Andy was the perfect person.
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He's so sweet, so kind, and justgently suggesting that maybe
Finn should look for a less public venue for this event and
choose something that Sandra will love.
His response was so diplomatic. It was gentle, it was kind, it
was compassionate, and his pointreally got across.
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Like, I think he really impactedFinn's decision, or at least I
hope he did. Seemed like he did.
I loved that, that interaction, that kind guidance, and it
worked. Out then when the couple is on
the couch and it's their turn tobe interviewed, there's an an
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unnecessary guest maybe Hal Louisa comes on screen from
Brazil and what do you know she still isn't on Finn's side she's
still against him being. Killed to please.
Yes, Sandra's husband and the stepfather to Sandra's kids.
Even though Finn says, look, I've grown, I've matured, things
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have changed. And we've witnessed that during
the course of the season. We've seen the transformation in
him. Yes, he's had his moments where
he wobbled even after he got to the point where he could accept
that he had to become a stepfather if he was going to be
with Sandra. So I just don't understand why
Hal Louisa is so hell bent on driving a wedge almost between
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the couple. Maybe she should could consider
supporting her sister and allowing Sandra to make her own
choices and then if there's a problem, if there's a failure at
some point, then Halloween can step in and help her sister and
support her even more. But I just don't get this
staunch adversarial kind of position towards Finn when it's
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clear how much Sandra loves him.Yeah, I can.
I can appreciate that. I don't know what her actual
like, what she's trying to get out of it.
I think that her bond with Sandra is strong enough that
this isn't going to put a wedge between the two of them.
However, it may alternate how Sandra approaches her
communication with her sister when it comes to her
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relationship. Does that make sense?
Yes, absolutely. I've I found it really gut
wrenching. When pudding.
When Sandra said I love Finn andI also love my family, she is
definitely conflicted over this and there's no reason for her to
be that way. If her family would just, and in
particular Heloisea would just say you know what, it's your
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choice and I support you no matter what.
So if if he's the guy you want to marry, I'm on board.
I think it would be different ifshe had a history of bad
decisions when it comes to men. However, we've seen how how Finn
has reacted with regards to Heloisa inviting the the acts to
family gatherings. So it doesn't seem as though
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this is this is pattern for Sandra to pick the wrong man.
I think it's very specific to Finn.
And that is like, that has to beso difficult for her to juggle,
you know, with her sister not appreciating Finn and Finn
constantly questioning whether or not Eloise is trying to get
her back with her ex. And there's just a lot of drama,
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unnecessary drama. Yes, well, the couple is still
engaged. It's a sort of kind of
situation, I think. And Finn says the next step is
that he has to move to Brazil. OK, yes, we already know this.
Thank you, Finn. When and he says soon as if
that's helpful. Very committal, yeah.
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Yes, he mentioned taking baby steps and that's fine, but I
still think you can have a deadline in mind, like in one
year or in two years if he needsmore time.
I still don't have too much faith when somebody says yes, I
will do that soon. Is that just me?
I just feel like that that's noncommittal.
No, my, my face is just because I I used that phrase this week.
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I will get that to you soon. Yeah, in a work situation I get
it, but I. Mean or shortly or something,
but I'm like, I'll get to it when I get to it, Sir.
It's like to my. Realm of child, Yeah, it's not
my relationship doesn't. Work.
No, I think it's different in a relationship setting.
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Anyway, that's all I have on them.
Do you, do you have any other comments for the couple minus of
course, the final scene. OK, shall we move on to Sarah
and Marco? This is going to be so.
Easy, they got married. Good for them and.
My only comment they got married.
Mike I have I have a couple of comments.
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One is they seem very lovey dovey.
They were always touching each other and looking at each other
and giving the secret glances and little, you know, couple
stuff. And when it when they announced
that they got married, I was like, oh, OK, so you guys are
newlyweds. This makes sense.
The wedding was in Italy and great news, they plan to have a
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family at some point. The end.
OK, well my biggest disappointment was that they
didn't show any of the food. As usual.
Why would they? Why would they do that to us?
I mean, there's been so much food in this season and yet you
failed on the Italian wedding food.
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Come on anyway. Maybe there'll be a spin off
series just for the wedding and then you can get your food.
Maybe. Satisfaction.
Level up. Who's next?
You choose. I feel like we just completely
skipped over Xena and Ibrahim. All right, let's do them next.
Well, I didn't have much to say about them.
They they were talking about her, her video about, you know,
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being stranded in The Gambia andshe said that it was a friggin
joke. She said it was a skit, yes.
OK, Yeah. So this is where she lost me.
I I have 0 respect for Xena at this point 0 because OK fine.
You wanted to do a skit. Did you not think that some
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people would take this seriouslyand believe you?
Which makes you a liar And or ifyou are trying to cover up for
yourself because it was true andyou're embarrassed, now what?
You're a liar. Yeah, she's just, she's lost all
credibility completely. It's as if you know how some
people go online and they pretend to be sick in order to
garner sympathy and even money from other people.
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It's like that. She, she tricked us all and I am
done with her. Finished.
Thank you Zena, this is not whatI came here for.
No, and like to see their like her trajectory and our
appreciation of her from the very beginning and how that just
blew up in our faces. You know, she was phenomenal at
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the very beginning and then the more that we got to know her and
that's why I love this show so much is sometimes it's not
predictable. So I found this very, very
surprising and very, very disappointing.
Xena do better and grow. Up the one thing that I did
learn from this, it solidified the fact in me for me that she
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and Ibrahim are actually deserving of each other because
they both lie, they both manipulate, they're both at that
level of not thinking there's something wrong with trying to
deceive somebody for your own gain.
So fuck you both. Bye bye.
Powerful words. Anything else that you want to
mention when it comes to them? Nope.
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Excellent. Me either.
Shall we go to Shorna? I love the fact that Adnan
didn't show up. Me too.
That was so poetic. It was a classic move.
I loved it. I thought it was great for him
not to show up and yet I was a little sad, not because he
wasn't there, but just because he wouldn't have been able to
defend himself. And I thought that he deserved
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that at. Least I learned that he dropped
off the face of the earth for two months while in that
two-month period she had decidedto convert to become a Muslim
Mormon Mormon. Thank you, that's what I meant.
Sorry about that interesting series of events.
Yes, he comes back into your life and you just don't tell
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him. OK, great.
That fact. That their relationship had
these gaps in it for two to three months at a time also
taught me something, which is that it was 100% about sex and
nothing else. Because to have that kind of
turn the tap on, turn the tap off relationship where you're
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not communicating at all and yetyou go and travel there and you
guys have lots and lots of sex means that's what it is.
She was a sex tourist and he washer toy boy.
This whole thing was a setup toyboy boy toy.
Yeah. Toy boy, boy toy.
And she was completely off her head thinking that after she
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turned Mormon, she would make the relationship work based on
anything but the one thing that had held them together for all
this time. Yeah, great.
I was really surprised, though, when Andy came to her defense.
It was nice of him to do that. But I was like, what does he see
that I'm not seeing? Because I don't.
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I didn't feel whatever it was that he was feeling that made
him want to stand up for her anddefend her.
Did you have any insight? Absolutely not.
OK, I have. I have no idea.
I think maybe it's his natural instinct to just want to defend
vulnerable people and I don't know.
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I wouldn't even say that Shawn is vulnerable.
Like she made all these choices on her own.
She openly deceived her boyfriend for like almost a year
before she told him about the whole Mormonism thing.
I think it's just Andy's heart. That makes sense.
I wondered if it had to do with her daughter.
When her daughter came on stage,Shawna had a very emotional
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breakdown and had to leave for alittle while to gather herself.
I couldn't figure out where thatemotion was coming from unless
it had to do with the fact that she loves her.
Obviously she loves her daughterso so much, but she also
recognizes in her daughter that she is steadfast and mature and
grown up and Shawna's own self is not.
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Yes. So maybe it was recognizing her
own failures by seeing her daughter, who is such a
fantastic woman, come on stage that made her.
But I have no idea. That was just completely
conjecture. It could.
Be extreme guilt because she's now screwed up yet again.
How many relationships, failed relationships has she put her
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kid through? Who knows.
I don't know was it was just over the top.
But I love that she started off at the very, very top of the
show by saying that she has God on her side.
I was like, wow, great. You've already won, Shorna.
You know, what's the point of even being there?
Maybe God can lend you a hand with those eye bags.
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And what is what's the issue with that?
Because like over the last couple episodes she's just
looked worse and worse. Like she's just super, super
tired. But even the makeup couldn't
cover it up. Well, she's probably in full
blown perimenopause. Maybe she's not sleeping.
Each. To the choir.
I know, I know, I know. I feel your pain.
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Been there, done that. Snorted.
Got the sticker snorted. I think I've slept 10 hours in
the last week. That's anyway, yes, move on.
The Shannon and Metag. The Drinking Game edition.
I loved when Judy brought that up.
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That was good. And then for her to say some
people are still in the hospital.
That was that was a memorable moment, I'll give you that.
I I really enjoyed that and I I also love the fact that both of
them could laugh about it. Yeah.
And also Shannon looked phenomenal, just an absolutely
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gorgeous human being. And Mattei surprisingly also
looked great. He looks like he lost a bit of
weight as well. Everyone just looked fantastic
at this tow wall. They did, yes.
And Andy's. Andy's suit was just so dashing.
OK. Anyway, Shannon and Mette.
OK, I have two things written down.
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The first one is a question. Does jealousy really come with
loving somebody? I also made a comment to the
same or a question of the same point.
Jealousy in the relationship? What?
Well, yes, we knew it was. There absolutely.
Like does that actually come with being in love with someone?
Because I don't think I've ever experienced that.
(24:40):
No, I don't think so either. I definitely associate it with
an immature relationship, like something you might have when
you're a kid and you have a crush on somebody and they might
like somebody else and then you're jealous, you're so
jealous. But when you're in a solid,
engaged as they are relationship, why the hell is
this coming up? If it is, then maybe you should
(25:03):
look into that. And why are you making excuses
for it? Like does that jealousy not stem
from trust issues? Perhaps you should look at the
root of the problem and not continue to make excuses for
your jealousy, because it's really unbecoming.
Yes, I hope they can get over it.
(25:25):
I I, yeah, second comment that Iwrote down is they are not
married yet. Shannon has yet to move to
Turkey. That's that's it.
My only other comment was her explanation of their
communication style. Is stupid.
How did she explain their communication style?
Well, it was something to the effect of, you know, she tried
to dumb down her English. All right.
(25:46):
Yeah, so that's why she spoke inthe broken English, which we've
we've talked about before, but it's so irritating and I think
it's just completely and utterlystupid.
How is he supposed to learn the actual nuances of speaking the
language if you're dumbing it down for him?
And he even said he could understand everybody on stage
(26:06):
and he can understand her when she speaks normal English.
So there's no reason for her to do it.
She's. Wasting so much energy.
But I also wonder if she's just,I don't know, exhausted from
talking to him. So now she just drops words
because she doesn't have the energy for.
I don't, I don't know. I just, I have.
(26:29):
Yeah, that's my comment. OK.
Anyway, are we on to the last one now?
Let's go. For it, Sam and Allie take it
away. Oh.
God, my only comment that I madefor them is they're going to get
a divorce. That was the triggered by the
tell all. Just.
(26:50):
What happened I? Have.
I have no idea she was on about the gaming.
Yes. And then all of a sudden he was
just like, Oh yeah, well, I willdivorce you and I don't.
I don't understand what I actually have.
Well, we. Had a tit for tat there.
So first he says, I'll divorce you if you come back to Turkey
(27:11):
because she has been wasting so much money in traveling back and
forth. And, and we saw in the very last
episode that we saw them in thatthey agreed they were going to
save everything up now because it's only 2000 lbs for the visa.
Let's save up for the visa. And yet she's continued to just
do her own thing and travel there.
So he can't come because they have no money.
So he issues an ultimatum. Come to Turkey again, we will
(27:35):
divorce. And we all know how ultimatums
work, yes? The way that ultimatums work is
that you deliver an ultimatum toyour partner, and then they get
so enraged that they deliver their own ultimatum in response,
which is exactly what happened. And this is toxicity speaking to
toxicity. Yes, Affirmative.
(27:56):
Confirmed. Absolutely Yes.
Yes. Wow, this was so sick.
So awful. So messy.
Painful to watch and I'm sure it's going to be super painful
when Sam watches it back becauseI'm pretty sure Ali is not going
(28:17):
to give a shit. But I'm really surprised she
didn't have more to say about his, like watching the clips of
him talking about his evil plan.I was very intrigued by her
focus on the gaming as the root of all evil, rather than looking
at how they interact with one another and how maybe there's a
problem there. Because personally, I don't have
(28:40):
an issue with the gaming. I think everybody's allowed to
have their own thing that they do as a pastime, and we haven't
seen enough to know if Ali has an addiction.
They were throwing around this word addiction.
I think Xena was the one who wastalking about it.
I'm like Xena, you don't know. He could be playing for a couple
of hours a day to wind down at the end of the day after he's
(29:02):
worked. He could be playing every single
moment that he has spare, which yes, would be an addiction.
We don't know and I find it verycontrolling of Sam to go about
this problem that they're havingwith their own communication
with each other by saying you don't give me enough attention.
You're always gaming and that's that's the cause of all of our
(29:23):
issues and therefore if you don't stop gaming, I will
divorce you. Right.
There's a level of balance because we again, we don't know
how much he's gaming, though I have first hand experience what
it's like to be with someone whois addicted to gaming, addicted,
addicted and it destroyed the relationship.
Again, we don't know how like how deep this goes.
(29:48):
We know that he left her to readthe English version of the Quran
at a cafe so that he could go and play, but we don't really
know anything outside of that. So how much is he actually
playing? And is she just harping on his
hobby or is it an actual addiction that's impacting their
relationship? Right.
(30:10):
And because we're not given enough information, I I feel
like it's I'm not able to make my judgement on whether or not
his habit is a problem. But for at the moment, I'm
basing my judgments on what I'm seeing on the screen.
And what I'm seeing is her beingvery, very reactive, defensive
(30:32):
towards him and and him trying to be practical in certain
things like the visa and not having her travel as much so
that they can save up to be together.
I also feel how difficult it is for him to express himself when
it comes to those thoughts. And So what he's getting across
is maybe not the right message. So I feel like there's a lot
(30:55):
that's lost in the translation as he's thinking in Turkish and
trying to explain it. In English, I think that's fair
and compassionate perspective and I'd.
But I also feel like this couplefrom the beginning has pushed
each other's buttons so hard that they'd no, they're just.
(31:18):
So volatile together, so aggressive.
And even during their argument, Andy had to walk off stage
because the aggression made him feel very uncomfortable.
First of all, good for you, Andy.
You remove yourself from that environment, from that energy.
You do not need to absorb that. And also, Sam and Ally, like,
just break up. Nobody cares.
(31:39):
Yeah, I agree. I think he should find somebody
who is truly interested in having him come to the UK
because he truly, truly wants that.
That's and clear from the beginning that he is interested
in a life in England rather thanliving in Turkey.
So find somebody who's on the same wavelength as you.
One of the things that I absolutely loved during
Simonelli's segment. Sam and Ally.
(32:02):
I'm like, who's Simonelli? Someone new?
Then saying you seem like a really happy couple.
When Judy asked what his opinionof the status of things was, I
was like, yes. Love, love the.
Sarcasm fan, keep it up. That's really good, that British
(32:23):
humor coming through again. I found Sam's anti gaming stance
is really all about making Ali look bad, making people believe
that he doesn't care enough about her so she's making him
into the bad guy, when in fact she's very much responsible for
things going badly. I don't know, and I really also
(32:46):
don't care. I just hope that we don't have
to see either one of them again.OK, well my final thought that
I'll leave you with on Sam is I feel like I do know that that is
her intention because of the wayshe acts with everybody else.
Wait, what's her intention? Her intention is to make Ali
(33:07):
look like the bad guy and to escape any culpability in the
failure of their marriage because she disguises her
rudeness as honesty and being forthright.
Oh, it's just, you know, my, my habit from where I'm from.
I'm just being honest and open with people.
Shut your trap. Well, there's a difference
between being honest and blunt versus just being rude.
(33:33):
If you can't find anything better to say about all the
other couples then they're boring.
Then shut your trap. This is not helpful.
This is doesn't reflect well on you and we don't need to hear it
there. She only thinks that they're
boring because they don't have that toxic aggressive
(33:55):
relationship style that she has with Allie.
Like look at our and Andy just so loving, so supportive, no
arguments, no no threatening of divorcing.
And like it's like Sam and Ally's relationship is just so
toxic. So I think in order to make
(34:15):
herself feel better, she has to shit on everyone else.
All right then. So I think the only thing left
is the final scene. Oh.
Yes, that one. My brain, my brain just like
left my body. First back in there.
But yeah, the final scene, that was so weird for them just to
stand up or for him to like pullher during filming and take it
(34:41):
outside. Like I wonder if that was pre
planned because obviously all the cameras followed him outside
that he can propose again. But I'm glad that he followed
Andy's advice and did it in a more secluded area.
But I was also glad that she said yes.
And she also reconfirmed, are you moving to Brazil?
He said yes. So now they've both said yes.
(35:02):
Commitment made. This was an infinitely better
proposal than the first one, the.
First one was just so cringy. The sunset in the background and
him saying to her, you know, I Iknow you always said that you
wanted something romantic like asunset in the background.
Good for you Finn. Listening as always appreciated
by your woman speaking in Portuguese a little bit to her.
(35:24):
Was beautiful well. Done getting down on one knee.
Well done. Then also, he was able to give
her what she asked for the firsttime.
Hugs as well as kisses. There were smiles.
The feeling was completely different in this proposal than
it was in the recording studio of the radio station, so I was
(35:45):
extremely happy about this. I wonder if he had a
conversation with production andhe's like, can someone keep an
eye out on the sunset and let meknow when it looks nice and then
we will run out. And I think that's why they had
the cameras ready to follow him outside, right, To do that.
(36:05):
So I, I, I think it was really like a community effort to, to
actually make that happen. And it was successful and I'm
very happy. For him, nice.
Any last thoughts about this fourth season of 90 Day Fiance
Uki? Want to slap my desk right now?
Enjoyable, yes. You know, we've we've gone
(36:28):
through so much with all of the other 90 day franchises and this
one was just such a breath of fresh air.
Some enjoyable couples and enjoyable enough that it made
the toxic ones almost nonexistent.
What are your thoughts? I love this season.
(36:49):
The couples were fantastic -1 - 1 the repeat couple is not
necessary. Thank you very much.
Just one, just one. And please, please, please bring
now. I've forgotten her name.
Catherine Ryan. That's it.
Please bring Catherine Brian back for the towel.
She's the best. Now I'm going to have to go and
(37:10):
watch that, so. Yeah.
Now I have something to do this afternoon that doesn't fold
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