September 23, 2025 • 27 mins
Chloe arrives in Aruba. Luke leaves for Colombia early, to try to avert a crisis. Anthony and Manon arrive in Marseilles, with Manon in tears again. Sumit and Jenny negotiate for appliances for the café. Greta and Matthew talk about their concerns for her move.
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Hi, Amy. Hi B.
We are here discussing nighty day fiance the other way season
7 episode 3 Today it was a. Shorter episode which I greatly
appreciated. Me too, I'm glad that they only
did that 2 hour episode for the first one and now it looks like
we'll do the regular one hour slots.
Yes, I'm much happier with that,just for my patience and my
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sanity. Yes, I would like to bring up a
couple of comments that we got from last week, if that's OK.
Yes, so these comments aren't chastising us a little bit for
things that this listener perceives that we've done wrong.
So let's let's address it. OK, here's the comment.
What mental gymnastics are done that we try to make the security
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guard insecurities when nothing about their lifestyle reflects
that. But Madeline, who has a thriving
beauty bar, is seen as stupid. She is clearly more competent
than Luke. Luke's own father said he
doesn't know how his son earned an MBA because he has no sense.
Ladies do better. Thank you for the comment.
My cat disagrees. If you heard the entire episode,
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I did say that, you know, I giveher what like an ounce of
respect or something for clearlykeeping the be out he busy
business above water. And we were also confused as to
whether or not he was in security or securities.
So we weren't sure though with his military background,
security makes a lot of sense. We're just not sure on that
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part. Anyway, thank you for the
comment. Yes, absolutely.
The, the security is confusion just comes from hearing there's,
I didn't see any captions for that episode.
I was just listening to it and Igot confused is did he say
security or securities? Anyway, Madeline, we saw a
couple of weeks ago, we were talking about the fact that she
was looking at an apartment and I said, well, if she's got a
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bank on her side to write a mortgage, that's sign that she's
doing well. So we're we're not shitting all
over Madeline, but we are skeptical based on last season
and how we know that when she did get the beauty business
started, it was in the red. And the red, is that what you
say when it's not yet was in thered for the first three months
at least. And Madeline, unlike Luke,
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doesn't have an MBA. So she has no business
education, which would make it quite remarkable if she was to
be even more successful than he is.
But yeah, it seems like that's going that way.
Luke has been failing in all of these investments that he's been
making throughout the season andlast season.
Yeah. Everything.
And we know that there are way more other projects that he
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tried to get off the ground which were unsuccessful as well.
Like he is a very, very bad entrepreneur and should most
definitely stick to what kind ofengineering is it that he does?
Mining, mining engineering. So yeah, anyway, Corey Mama has
a second comment, which is I love how 23 is way too young for
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32 when she's actively pursuing him, but 20 isn't too young for
31 and he's actively pursuing her because she's Colombian.
What? He's American.
It's disgusting. He buys her stuffed animals.
She acts like a petulant teenager because she is a
petulant teenager. So I think this is in relation
to how we're comparing the age gap, age difference between
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Johnny and Chloe, which is 32 to23 and then Luke and Madeline,
which is 20 to 31. I think it mostly has to do with
the maturity with regards to allof the people involved.
Because Madeline acts like an absolute child, so does Luke.
Whereas Chloe and Jonathan seem to have a little bit more sense
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to them, especially more with Johnny now that we get to to
know him a little bit more. And we all know that Chloe's
been eating off that silver spoon from the second that she
born. So not quite sure about them.
But again, I think it's it has to do more about maturity than
than anything. And let's not even get into how
old she was when Luke and Madeline first started dating,
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because there's some conjecture online that they met when she
was underage, but we don't have any proof of that so.
We know that they met when she was 17.
That's what she said in their intheir first season.
And yes, it is too young for himbecause he was 27 or 28 at the
time. And we've mentioned the word a
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few times on the podcast Grooming, because we do believe
that Madeline was groomed by this older man.
And yet we concur it is not a very tasteful relationship to be
watching because it makes you worry for her safety, for her
mental health, for all kinds of things.
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Yeah. So yes, maturity is a factor for
Johnny and Chloe and Luke and Madeline's case.
It's it's also maturity, but it's something more and
something a little bit creepy. Let's leave it there.
Yes, first. Before we dive in one and two,
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YouTube at 90 Day Fiance, Honestly.
And now it is our distinct pleasure to discuss Chloe and
Jonathan. All right.
I feel like he has put in a lot of effort to make her feel
comfortable and at home in the apartment with the silk sheets,
stocking the bathroom, cleaning out a closet for her.
Good for him. Yes, that was considerate.
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I like that. I I'm liking Johnny more the
more that we see him. He seems pretty level headed.
When we hear about his tragedy with his mom dying just very
recently, that was more revealing of what he's gone
through and therefore how much he's grown, how much he's had to
mature in the last little while with losing a parent.
But they, I don't think they explained or maybe you know, is
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he living in his mom's house? Is that why he has such a nice
big place? Or is this an apartment?
I'm not sure I would think that he would still be living at his
mom's place because he was living with her when she passed.
And to complicate matters, his long term girlfriend had cheated
on him just before his mom passed.
Yeah. And when he talks about it, when
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he mentions the heart attack, his face just broke.
And I really felt for him. This poor guy has been through,
he's been through a lot. He's he's really growing on me.
He seems to have like a level ofemotional maturity that I never
would have predicted given the storyline that we were
introduced with. And you know, with his, his
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profession and whatever, I thinkI might have been wrong about
him. What I like is that when he was
talking about his mom, it reallymade sense for me what he said
last week about wanting to settle down and have a family.
Because I think that would have been a really big life changing
moment for him where he would beforced to reassess what he's
doing, where he's going and whathe wants next.
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Which makes the contrast betweenhim and Chloe I think even
greater. We hear him say more than a few
times, is Chloe ready for this? And I think that's going to be a
very crucial point to their storyline.
Does she have the maturity to cope with living in a whole new
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place with very just some different circumstances and with
a man? This is something she's never
experienced before without mom at this.
Point I think that he's too goodfor her OK whether or not
they're actually going to work Idon't know.
I think we're just going to haveto watch and see how their
relationship develops with her actually living there and
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getting acclimated in Aruba, so far away from everything.
And yeah, I guess we'll just. See.
OK, so Chloe arrives in Aruba. Everything seems to be going
well. They have a nice reunion at the
airport. The flowers were a nice touch.
Then they get to his house, apartment, whatever it is, and
there's a discussion about the silk pillowcase and she talks
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about worrying about getting wrinkles.
She's 23 and he jokes with her about her having done Botox.
And I was like, what? Now?
She didn't confirm explicitly that, yes, she has done Botox,
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but she didn't deny it either when he started referencing it.
And she wants, she wants to livein Aruba, where there's very
bright hot sun all the time. OK.
I hope she has a lovely cluster of hats.
So you a cult cluster collectionof hats and very good sunscreen,
Yes. Yes, Vital.
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OK, there's no hot water in the house.
Chloe says that she will pay to have this luxury installed into
the house so that she can have piping hot water.
But seems so silly because Johnny explains with the water
is naturally just warm because it's always warm here, so it's
not a thing. But this makes him go into the
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conversation more about thinkingthat Chloe may not be able to
adapt to life in Aruba because she's used to a very squishy,
happy, easy life with mom. Yes.
I think, I think you're on to something there.
The the hot water I think is almost a non issue unless he has
the most beautiful bathtub ever.It's the only thing that I can
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think of where you would actually need to have a hot
shower and somewhere as as warm as I believe Aruba is.
I don't know, I've never been, but for him to say that it's not
common for people to have that here seems reasonable, yes.
Very. Anyway, we'll see.
I'm on the fence right now. I'm slightly leaning towards
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Chloe's going to turn out to be a disaster, but I'm still not
sure 100% yet. I agree, yes.
OK, let's move on to Luke and Madeline.
Luke is packing his fur jackets to move to Columbia.
How does this make sense please?Because he is matching ones with
her. It's part of their their
matching outfit style. Whatever.
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And he's decided to fly back to Columbia a little bit early.
I think it's about two days earlier than Madeline has
anticipated he's going to arrive.
He says they have three weeks until the wedding and during
this time Madeline has blocked Luke.
Always a great sign of a relationship that's headed in a
positive, wonderful direction, healthy and you.
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Block each other stable. Yeah, very stable.
I'm sure. So I think he's trying to
mitigate what her reaction will be if and when she sees this
video of the bachelor party by going back early.
Whatever this issue is that's going on between them will most
definitely get worse if she seesthe video and finds out that
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there was a. Stripper if and when.
Yes. One of the things that he
expresses before he leaves is that he's very worried about the
fact that his finances aren't good.
No kidding. And Madeline may leave him if he
loses even more money or all of his money.
Yes. Obviously.
And then he also says he's in debt from his failed investments
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and he's quitting his job. Make that make sense?
Well, he has to quit his job because it's an in office job at
the mining engineering business,whatever it is.
So he can't bring it with him, right?
He's going to be reliant completely on maybe they still
have that apartment that they'rerenting out that could be a
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source of income. And I think he's also relying
on, I'm not sure how this is going to work, but I would
assume he's looking for investors for the property that
he wants to develop and turn into a luxury resort.
With a boutique, some sort a. Boutique maybe?
So where any money is going to be coming from for him
specifically? We know that Madeline Madeline
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has her own business driving business.
Anyway, even at the airport, AD who was taking him there
recognizes that Luke is going toneed some money and so we hands
him over a check for $3000, which is just the sweetest
thing. I loved that.
I thought that was a very lovinggesture, but at the same time,
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what a disappointment your son is.
He's, what, 30 something and he's moving to another country.
He has all these failed investments.
He just quit his job. And then he also said that the
reason why she blocked him was because he was saying that he
wants his name on the apartment that she's going to purchase and
any of the other properties thatthey purchased together so that
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he has something to fall back on.
How? Yes.
So she she wants her name on that, which I think it's
actually pretty smart because itmeans that even if he doesn't
manage to build the hotel on thepiece of land, he can always
sell it. But then she would get half of
the value. Yes, I mean, I don't, I don't
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know how things work down there when it comes to the division of
assets because he he bought it before they got married.
Right, but he can put the property into both of their
names. Yes, he can.
And if he does that, which is what she wants him to, then that
means that she would get half ofthe profits if the business
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tanks, which given his track record is quite possible, then
she would at least be entitled to half of the money from
selling the land. And I think.
At this point she might be entitled to it anyway just for
putting up with all of his failures.
Though I also wonder is his nameon the boutique?
No, it's just hers. I'm pretty sure in the first
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season they talked about how sheinsisted that it be just in her
name or maybe he couldn't put his name on it because he's not
a Colombian citizen. But I'm pretty sure that there
was some reason why she insistedon it being just for her.
Yeah, I wonder if this is more of a tit for tat thing because,
you know, he's not on the business that's actually making
money right now and so he wants to have some sort of safety net
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for himself. But I remember her saying that
he did fund quite a bit of of the salon.
So I don't know the two of thesethat people need to just come
together and work their financesout and figure out whether or
not they trust each other enoughto get married because this is
so convoluted and these arguments are they really are
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unnecessary. I mean, for them, they are
necessary at this point. But if you're going to be
getting married, you need to be financially transparent and
trust that your partner isn't going to ruin you financially.
So the fact that you have to have this forethought of you
know, whose name is going to be on what.
So I have a safety net and not OK, your name's on one, my
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name's on one. We're going to split another one
both ways. And then that way, you know, we
both have property together and separately.
I don't know, these two just aren't mature enough to come
together and have a rational conversation.
Especially if she's just going to turn around and block him.
How can you block your fiance three weeks before the wedding?
I know, but it goes back to the petulance.
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She likes to stamp her foot and have a tantrum until she gets
exactly what she wants. And this is really going to test
Luke because there is a finite amount of money that he has
access to. So he can't give her everything
that she wants with regards to the wedding or maybe even with
regards to these properties. And another thought that just
occurred to me is if she is actually intending to get an
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apartment in her own name, she'sgot to do that now before the
wedding because otherwise it'll be jointly owned by both of them
because it's acquired during thecourse of the marriage.
I wonder if she's doing that or if we'll hear about it again.
I'm not sure. Shall we read?
On OK next we go flying with Mano and Anthony to France while
she holds grudges. The hallway.
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I love this so much. Grudges against France, grudges
against her family, grudges against her husband.
Yeah, we're starting to paint aninteresting picture, I think.
Did you pick up on this too? It sounds like you did.
In what capacity? Mano Mano's descriptions of the
problems in her life, which are all exterior, the parents, the
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societal pressures, the family, the business, none of those
things is something that she cando anything about.
They're all exterior forces thataffect her, but she can't change
them. And it seems to me like she's
blowing them up to proportion and victimizing, victimizing
herself a lot. Which is where the drama queen
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Tears comes in. Yeah, and also because she
hasn't tried to work through anyof it.
Like, at what point have you decided to get therapy to work
through your childhood trauma and your self esteem issues?
And one of them said we're bringing back a lot more baggage
to France. How about you clear out some of
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that baggage before you make this life changing?
Decision. Groundbreaking idea.
Absolutely phenomenal. I love it.
Imagine. But no, the world probably isn't
as dead set against her as she has LED us to believe so far,
and I think that she leads herself to believe that as well.
It's all perception. Because when we meet the family,
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they're sweet, they're so loving, they're supportive and
her. Dad even calls her my beauty.
They've probably always wanted the best for their daughter,
just like those parents do. And Manon, for some reason you
mentioned childhood trauma. That could be it perceives this
as persecution rather than praise and so she's interior
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you're rising does that is that a word internalizing
internalizing. Thank you.
She's internalizing this perception of the world is being
all against her and and trying to tell her she's not enough.
She's not adequate. She's this or that.
But in fact, Nope, nobody's saying those things.
Or if they are, it's very, very small.
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Or. We haven't heard them yet
because she immediately cries again, going on about how she's
a failure and she's worried about her parents and their
perception of her and how they're going to treat her when
she gets there. And she just immediately starts
shitting on herself. Like she's almost preparing
herself, like getting ahead of the negative comments, like you
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can't hurt me if I'm already hurting myself.
Or is she just saying that to throw her own pity party?
And I don't know. I'm not entirely sure about her
yet, but I am sick of her crying.
I. Totally agree on that point.
One final comment for me is thatshe says that she thinks she's
regressing by going back to France to start over again.
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It's only that way if you want it to be mental.
It's called your perception, yeah.
You can hold on to all of your growth and all of your
development and maturity that you have developed since being
in LA. You don't have to give that up.
And that would be you giving it up.
No one's forcing you to. This is this is your own
internal dialogue. It sounds like it's incredibly,
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incredibly negative, the negative self talk and she's
perpetuating it by feeding into it.
Whether it's more internal at this point because we haven't
seen very many external negativecomments that would appear to
make her question herself. Shall we read on Jenny and
submit? They go equipment shopping for
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the restaurant, the cafe and they go to see the reliable
Rohit. What could possibly go wrong?
And this is Sumeet's friend who he used to work with.
His friend gave him control of one of the businesses.
Well, he went to work with his other ones.
Turns out Sumeet only went to work for two to three hours a
day. And sank that business himself.
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So his friend closed the business.
And that is how Summit lost his job.
Wasn't this interesting? So.
Interesting because. Summit and Jenny have a very,
very different perception of howthings went and that Rohit
closed the business for no reason other than he wanted to
spite submit and put him out of a job.
Or maybe spite Jenny, Yes. But when we hear the story from
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Rohit, it's quite, quite powerful to put it in that
different perspective. Anyway, they go to look at the
equipment that Rohit has from all of his previous businesses.
They can probably get a good deal on this equipment that they
will need for their kitchen. And they visit a lovely junk
room where they expect to acquire on credit everything
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that they need in order to make the cafe function.
And Summit says I expect him to give me a good deal because he
knows about my debt. Yes, there's the entitlement.
Yeah, why Rohit would be responsible for making Submits
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bad financial situation any better for him is beyond me.
You don't go expecting your friend to give you a good deal
because you've been really, really bad with your money.
If you're expecting a good deal,shouldn't it be based upon the
fact that you've known that person for a long time and you
have a good relationship with them, not that they're aware of
your financial problems and therefore you can exploit them
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because of that? Then he starts what's going on
about how, you know, he thinks that he's arguing with Summit
because he's jealous of the factthat he's starting his own
business because all of Rockets businesses have already failed.
I thought he already had a couple of his own.
Did he really close them all? Where does this jealousy come
in? And and what world would he be
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jealous of you for? What?
What? What do you?
Have because he's married. Because he's married to Jenny.
Rohit is not married yet, and soJenny thinks that he's jealous
of Summit being a married man and having his own place.
Nope, not anymore. Who knows what's going on?
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This is all just people's fantasy stories from the
somewhere in the depths of theirminds.
Doesn't really make a lot of sense, but they do get the
equipment so that is good. I just wanted to say that when
they were actually in that room and they were looking at stuff
for Jenny to say, can we get outof here, It's really dirty.
I thought was so tactless. Yes, you come in here
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practically begging for free stuff, stuff on credit a good
deal, and yet you insult. Him, yes, but he got her back.
He got her back with the laughing over the spaghetti
because apparently Jenny had made Rohit a meal of her famous
spaghetti. Is this the only thing she can
cook? Maybe so.
And he starts laughing when they're talking about it,
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obviously, because even though he just complimented her on her
great spaghetti, he means the opposite.
So yes, he did jab her back. He did though.
She didn't have to say anything.She could have just said, excuse
me, I'm just going to step outside and let you gentlemen
talk. Yes, maybe not.
I also wanted to say that like question where the rest of
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Summit's family is, because remember how his brother was
saying, I really wish that you would have let us see this place
before you went and put money into it.
So why aren't they going with him to ensure that he gets a
good deal, that the appliances work and that will?
Fit. Yeah, given how badly Submit
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screwed up the first part of this project, you would think
that at least one of them would be along for the ride to make
sure that he doesn't commit another very stupid error.
But no, we trust him. No, I wonder if he's just doing
all of this behind their backs and he's like, I'll get it done
and they're like now OK, sure. Shall we read on anyway?
Yes. Let's go and visit Greta and
Matthew who were having a video chat together.
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Her first question is, are you looking for an apartment for us?
Nope. No, he is not.
No, he is not looking for an apartment.
I thought the idea was that theywere going to live there for a
little bit and he was going to look for an apartment while they
were there. That's what I thought too from
the last episode. That is the information that was
conveyed. However, this week it is
different. Yeah, because, you know, it was
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only a matter of time before they got an apartment, and then
she could bring Hazel over. And now it turns out that what
what is what's what's going on here?
And then should mention something about Hazel's new
owners. Yes, this is troubling.
I was I was not as clear this week as I was last week about
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this being a temporary parting from her cat.
I think think her intention is to bring the cat over, but from
everything we heard this week, it seemed like it was more of a
Nope, this is permanent. The cat's got new owners.
She used that word owners. If Matthew's not even looking
for an apartment so that they have their own place anytime
soon, then yes, the cat would bestuck in the States.
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Yeah, I don't appreciate how we're getting little snippets of
different situations and contradictions, specifically
from Greta. Yeah, I want to really like this
couple. They seem fantastic, but there
are these little things that arenot adding up correctly at this
time and I'm confused. I want to believe that
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everything is OK, but knowing what our 90 day experience is
like, expect some things to go wrong and expect to be
disappointed. I was also curious when she said
previously she was going on about, you know, how she's
never, she hasn't lived with a family before and she's she
feels awkward about the small talk and whatever.
And then it turns out that she stayed there a couple times
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before. So why is this still a concern
when you've been there previously?
How did you behave before? That's a very good point.
It could just be a matter of thetime frame.
She knows that she's going to bethere for a lot longer than just
a visit. And perhaps when she was
visiting Matthew was also not working so that they could
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entertain themselves during the day.
From what she described this week, she said they live in a
small village and it's quite remote.
It takes about an hour to walk to the nearest shop.
So if he's away every day duringthe week working and she's stuck
at home with either both the parents or one of the parents,
that's that is a tricky situation.
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And I would think about that very carefully before moving.
So maybe that's what she's talking about when she's
expressing her anxiety over moving in with his family.
It's just the parts where she's going to be left alone with
them. Well, that's.
More of the isolation then it is, you know, her relationship
with his family. I guess so, yeah.
Yeah, it's just interesting how she's spinning things.
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It is any last comments about them or any of the other couples
from this week? I think that that really wraps
it up there OK. You.
Nothing comes to mind. We'll just have to wait and read
on next week to see what else other little tidbits we're going
to get. Yeah.
And maybe new couples. I hope there's more couples to
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come. That would be a lie.
I should just go to the website and look up who's on this season
because then I'll know exactly how many new ones we're getting
or not. But I haven't gotten around to
that yet, so for me it is still a surprise.
And for me too, I'm pretty sure I did all that snooping before
it came on, but it just it, I felt like the show just started
so quickly and my brain just letit go.
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Hi, Amy. Hi B.
We are here discussing nighty day fiance the other way season
7 episode 3 Today it was a. Shorter episode which I greatly
appreciated. Me too, I'm glad that they only
did that 2 hour episode for the first one and now it looks like
we'll do the regular one hour slots.
Yes, I'm much happier with that,just for my patience and my
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sanity. Yes, I would like to bring up a
couple of comments that we got from last week, if that's OK.
Yes, so these comments aren't chastising us a little bit for
things that this listener perceives that we've done wrong.
So let's let's address it. OK, here's the comment.
What mental gymnastics are done that we try to make the security
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guard insecurities when nothing about their lifestyle reflects
that. But Madeline, who has a thriving
beauty bar, is seen as stupid. She is clearly more competent
than Luke. Luke's own father said he
doesn't know how his son earned an MBA because he has no sense.
Ladies do better. Thank you for the comment.
My cat disagrees. If you heard the entire episode,
(01:07):
I did say that, you know, I giveher what like an ounce of
respect or something for clearlykeeping the be out he busy
business above water. And we were also confused as to
whether or not he was in security or securities.
So we weren't sure though with his military background,
security makes a lot of sense. We're just not sure on that
(01:29):
part. Anyway, thank you for the
comment. Yes, absolutely.
The, the security is confusion just comes from hearing there's,
I didn't see any captions for that episode.
I was just listening to it and Igot confused is did he say
security or securities? Anyway, Madeline, we saw a
couple of weeks ago, we were talking about the fact that she
was looking at an apartment and I said, well, if she's got a
(01:51):
bank on her side to write a mortgage, that's sign that she's
doing well. So we're we're not shitting all
over Madeline, but we are skeptical based on last season
and how we know that when she did get the beauty business
started, it was in the red. And the red, is that what you
say when it's not yet was in thered for the first three months
at least. And Madeline, unlike Luke,
(02:13):
doesn't have an MBA. So she has no business
education, which would make it quite remarkable if she was to
be even more successful than he is.
But yeah, it seems like that's going that way.
Luke has been failing in all of these investments that he's been
making throughout the season andlast season.
Yeah. Everything.
And we know that there are way more other projects that he
(02:34):
tried to get off the ground which were unsuccessful as well.
Like he is a very, very bad entrepreneur and should most
definitely stick to what kind ofengineering is it that he does?
Mining, mining engineering. So yeah, anyway, Corey Mama has
a second comment, which is I love how 23 is way too young for
(02:55):
32 when she's actively pursuing him, but 20 isn't too young for
31 and he's actively pursuing her because she's Colombian.
What? He's American.
It's disgusting. He buys her stuffed animals.
She acts like a petulant teenager because she is a
petulant teenager. So I think this is in relation
to how we're comparing the age gap, age difference between
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Johnny and Chloe, which is 32 to23 and then Luke and Madeline,
which is 20 to 31. I think it mostly has to do with
the maturity with regards to allof the people involved.
Because Madeline acts like an absolute child, so does Luke.
Whereas Chloe and Jonathan seem to have a little bit more sense
(03:42):
to them, especially more with Johnny now that we get to to
know him a little bit more. And we all know that Chloe's
been eating off that silver spoon from the second that she
born. So not quite sure about them.
But again, I think it's it has to do more about maturity than
than anything. And let's not even get into how
old she was when Luke and Madeline first started dating,
(04:04):
because there's some conjecture online that they met when she
was underage, but we don't have any proof of that so.
We know that they met when she was 17.
That's what she said in their intheir first season.
And yes, it is too young for himbecause he was 27 or 28 at the
time. And we've mentioned the word a
(04:25):
few times on the podcast Grooming, because we do believe
that Madeline was groomed by this older man.
And yet we concur it is not a very tasteful relationship to be
watching because it makes you worry for her safety, for her
mental health, for all kinds of things.
(04:47):
Yeah. So yes, maturity is a factor for
Johnny and Chloe and Luke and Madeline's case.
It's it's also maturity, but it's something more and
something a little bit creepy. Let's leave it there.
Yes, first. Before we dive in one and two,
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And now it is our distinct pleasure to discuss Chloe and
Jonathan. All right.
I feel like he has put in a lot of effort to make her feel
comfortable and at home in the apartment with the silk sheets,
stocking the bathroom, cleaning out a closet for her.
Good for him. Yes, that was considerate.
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I like that. I I'm liking Johnny more the
more that we see him. He seems pretty level headed.
When we hear about his tragedy with his mom dying just very
recently, that was more revealing of what he's gone
through and therefore how much he's grown, how much he's had to
mature in the last little while with losing a parent.
But they, I don't think they explained or maybe you know, is
(05:53):
he living in his mom's house? Is that why he has such a nice
big place? Or is this an apartment?
I'm not sure I would think that he would still be living at his
mom's place because he was living with her when she passed.
And to complicate matters, his long term girlfriend had cheated
on him just before his mom passed.
Yeah. And when he talks about it, when
(06:15):
he mentions the heart attack, his face just broke.
And I really felt for him. This poor guy has been through,
he's been through a lot. He's he's really growing on me.
He seems to have like a level ofemotional maturity that I never
would have predicted given the storyline that we were
introduced with. And you know, with his, his
(06:35):
profession and whatever, I thinkI might have been wrong about
him. What I like is that when he was
talking about his mom, it reallymade sense for me what he said
last week about wanting to settle down and have a family.
Because I think that would have been a really big life changing
moment for him where he would beforced to reassess what he's
doing, where he's going and whathe wants next.
(06:58):
Which makes the contrast betweenhim and Chloe I think even
greater. We hear him say more than a few
times, is Chloe ready for this? And I think that's going to be a
very crucial point to their storyline.
Does she have the maturity to cope with living in a whole new
(07:20):
place with very just some different circumstances and with
a man? This is something she's never
experienced before without mom at this.
Point I think that he's too goodfor her OK whether or not
they're actually going to work Idon't know.
I think we're just going to haveto watch and see how their
relationship develops with her actually living there and
(07:42):
getting acclimated in Aruba, so far away from everything.
And yeah, I guess we'll just. See.
OK, so Chloe arrives in Aruba. Everything seems to be going
well. They have a nice reunion at the
airport. The flowers were a nice touch.
Then they get to his house, apartment, whatever it is, and
there's a discussion about the silk pillowcase and she talks
(08:07):
about worrying about getting wrinkles.
She's 23 and he jokes with her about her having done Botox.
And I was like, what? Now?
She didn't confirm explicitly that, yes, she has done Botox,
(08:27):
but she didn't deny it either when he started referencing it.
And she wants, she wants to livein Aruba, where there's very
bright hot sun all the time. OK.
I hope she has a lovely cluster of hats.
So you a cult cluster collectionof hats and very good sunscreen,
Yes. Yes, Vital.
(08:47):
OK, there's no hot water in the house.
Chloe says that she will pay to have this luxury installed into
the house so that she can have piping hot water.
But seems so silly because Johnny explains with the water
is naturally just warm because it's always warm here, so it's
not a thing. But this makes him go into the
(09:09):
conversation more about thinkingthat Chloe may not be able to
adapt to life in Aruba because she's used to a very squishy,
happy, easy life with mom. Yes.
I think, I think you're on to something there.
The the hot water I think is almost a non issue unless he has
the most beautiful bathtub ever.It's the only thing that I can
(09:32):
think of where you would actually need to have a hot
shower and somewhere as as warm as I believe Aruba is.
I don't know, I've never been, but for him to say that it's not
common for people to have that here seems reasonable, yes.
Very. Anyway, we'll see.
I'm on the fence right now. I'm slightly leaning towards
(09:52):
Chloe's going to turn out to be a disaster, but I'm still not
sure 100% yet. I agree, yes.
OK, let's move on to Luke and Madeline.
Luke is packing his fur jackets to move to Columbia.
How does this make sense please?Because he is matching ones with
her. It's part of their their
matching outfit style. Whatever.
(10:15):
And he's decided to fly back to Columbia a little bit early.
I think it's about two days earlier than Madeline has
anticipated he's going to arrive.
He says they have three weeks until the wedding and during
this time Madeline has blocked Luke.
Always a great sign of a relationship that's headed in a
positive, wonderful direction, healthy and you.
(10:36):
Block each other stable. Yeah, very stable.
I'm sure. So I think he's trying to
mitigate what her reaction will be if and when she sees this
video of the bachelor party by going back early.
Whatever this issue is that's going on between them will most
definitely get worse if she seesthe video and finds out that
(10:56):
there was a. Stripper if and when.
Yes. One of the things that he
expresses before he leaves is that he's very worried about the
fact that his finances aren't good.
No kidding. And Madeline may leave him if he
loses even more money or all of his money.
Yes. Obviously.
And then he also says he's in debt from his failed investments
(11:18):
and he's quitting his job. Make that make sense?
Well, he has to quit his job because it's an in office job at
the mining engineering business,whatever it is.
So he can't bring it with him, right?
He's going to be reliant completely on maybe they still
have that apartment that they'rerenting out that could be a
(11:39):
source of income. And I think he's also relying
on, I'm not sure how this is going to work, but I would
assume he's looking for investors for the property that
he wants to develop and turn into a luxury resort.
With a boutique, some sort a. Boutique maybe?
So where any money is going to be coming from for him
specifically? We know that Madeline Madeline
(12:01):
has her own business driving business.
Anyway, even at the airport, AD who was taking him there
recognizes that Luke is going toneed some money and so we hands
him over a check for $3000, which is just the sweetest
thing. I loved that.
I thought that was a very lovinggesture, but at the same time,
(12:21):
what a disappointment your son is.
He's, what, 30 something and he's moving to another country.
He has all these failed investments.
He just quit his job. And then he also said that the
reason why she blocked him was because he was saying that he
wants his name on the apartment that she's going to purchase and
any of the other properties thatthey purchased together so that
(12:45):
he has something to fall back on.
How? Yes.
So she she wants her name on that, which I think it's
actually pretty smart because itmeans that even if he doesn't
manage to build the hotel on thepiece of land, he can always
sell it. But then she would get half of
the value. Yes, I mean, I don't, I don't
(13:06):
know how things work down there when it comes to the division of
assets because he he bought it before they got married.
Right, but he can put the property into both of their
names. Yes, he can.
And if he does that, which is what she wants him to, then that
means that she would get half ofthe profits if the business
(13:26):
tanks, which given his track record is quite possible, then
she would at least be entitled to half of the money from
selling the land. And I think.
At this point she might be entitled to it anyway just for
putting up with all of his failures.
Though I also wonder is his nameon the boutique?
No, it's just hers. I'm pretty sure in the first
(13:50):
season they talked about how sheinsisted that it be just in her
name or maybe he couldn't put his name on it because he's not
a Colombian citizen. But I'm pretty sure that there
was some reason why she insistedon it being just for her.
Yeah, I wonder if this is more of a tit for tat thing because,
you know, he's not on the business that's actually making
money right now and so he wants to have some sort of safety net
(14:14):
for himself. But I remember her saying that
he did fund quite a bit of of the salon.
So I don't know the two of thesethat people need to just come
together and work their financesout and figure out whether or
not they trust each other enoughto get married because this is
so convoluted and these arguments are they really are
(14:36):
unnecessary. I mean, for them, they are
necessary at this point. But if you're going to be
getting married, you need to be financially transparent and
trust that your partner isn't going to ruin you financially.
So the fact that you have to have this forethought of you
know, whose name is going to be on what.
So I have a safety net and not OK, your name's on one, my
(14:59):
name's on one. We're going to split another one
both ways. And then that way, you know, we
both have property together and separately.
I don't know, these two just aren't mature enough to come
together and have a rational conversation.
Especially if she's just going to turn around and block him.
How can you block your fiance three weeks before the wedding?
I know, but it goes back to the petulance.
(15:22):
She likes to stamp her foot and have a tantrum until she gets
exactly what she wants. And this is really going to test
Luke because there is a finite amount of money that he has
access to. So he can't give her everything
that she wants with regards to the wedding or maybe even with
regards to these properties. And another thought that just
occurred to me is if she is actually intending to get an
(15:43):
apartment in her own name, she'sgot to do that now before the
wedding because otherwise it'll be jointly owned by both of them
because it's acquired during thecourse of the marriage.
I wonder if she's doing that or if we'll hear about it again.
I'm not sure. Shall we read?
On OK next we go flying with Mano and Anthony to France while
she holds grudges. The hallway.
(16:05):
I love this so much. Grudges against France, grudges
against her family, grudges against her husband.
Yeah, we're starting to paint aninteresting picture, I think.
Did you pick up on this too? It sounds like you did.
In what capacity? Mano Mano's descriptions of the
problems in her life, which are all exterior, the parents, the
(16:28):
societal pressures, the family, the business, none of those
things is something that she cando anything about.
They're all exterior forces thataffect her, but she can't change
them. And it seems to me like she's
blowing them up to proportion and victimizing, victimizing
herself a lot. Which is where the drama queen
(16:51):
Tears comes in. Yeah, and also because she
hasn't tried to work through anyof it.
Like, at what point have you decided to get therapy to work
through your childhood trauma and your self esteem issues?
And one of them said we're bringing back a lot more baggage
to France. How about you clear out some of
(17:12):
that baggage before you make this life changing?
Decision. Groundbreaking idea.
Absolutely phenomenal. I love it.
Imagine. But no, the world probably isn't
as dead set against her as she has LED us to believe so far,
and I think that she leads herself to believe that as well.
It's all perception. Because when we meet the family,
(17:34):
they're sweet, they're so loving, they're supportive and
her. Dad even calls her my beauty.
They've probably always wanted the best for their daughter,
just like those parents do. And Manon, for some reason you
mentioned childhood trauma. That could be it perceives this
as persecution rather than praise and so she's interior
(17:58):
you're rising does that is that a word internalizing
internalizing. Thank you.
She's internalizing this perception of the world is being
all against her and and trying to tell her she's not enough.
She's not adequate. She's this or that.
But in fact, Nope, nobody's saying those things.
Or if they are, it's very, very small.
(18:20):
Or. We haven't heard them yet
because she immediately cries again, going on about how she's
a failure and she's worried about her parents and their
perception of her and how they're going to treat her when
she gets there. And she just immediately starts
shitting on herself. Like she's almost preparing
herself, like getting ahead of the negative comments, like you
(18:40):
can't hurt me if I'm already hurting myself.
Or is she just saying that to throw her own pity party?
And I don't know. I'm not entirely sure about her
yet, but I am sick of her crying.
I. Totally agree on that point.
One final comment for me is thatshe says that she thinks she's
regressing by going back to France to start over again.
(19:05):
It's only that way if you want it to be mental.
It's called your perception, yeah.
You can hold on to all of your growth and all of your
development and maturity that you have developed since being
in LA. You don't have to give that up.
And that would be you giving it up.
No one's forcing you to. This is this is your own
internal dialogue. It sounds like it's incredibly,
(19:28):
incredibly negative, the negative self talk and she's
perpetuating it by feeding into it.
Whether it's more internal at this point because we haven't
seen very many external negativecomments that would appear to
make her question herself. Shall we read on Jenny and
submit? They go equipment shopping for
(19:49):
the restaurant, the cafe and they go to see the reliable
Rohit. What could possibly go wrong?
And this is Sumeet's friend who he used to work with.
His friend gave him control of one of the businesses.
Well, he went to work with his other ones.
Turns out Sumeet only went to work for two to three hours a
day. And sank that business himself.
(20:10):
So his friend closed the business.
And that is how Summit lost his job.
Wasn't this interesting? So.
Interesting because. Summit and Jenny have a very,
very different perception of howthings went and that Rohit
closed the business for no reason other than he wanted to
spite submit and put him out of a job.
Or maybe spite Jenny, Yes. But when we hear the story from
(20:32):
Rohit, it's quite, quite powerful to put it in that
different perspective. Anyway, they go to look at the
equipment that Rohit has from all of his previous businesses.
They can probably get a good deal on this equipment that they
will need for their kitchen. And they visit a lovely junk
room where they expect to acquire on credit everything
(20:53):
that they need in order to make the cafe function.
And Summit says I expect him to give me a good deal because he
knows about my debt. Yes, there's the entitlement.
Yeah, why Rohit would be responsible for making Submits
(21:13):
bad financial situation any better for him is beyond me.
You don't go expecting your friend to give you a good deal
because you've been really, really bad with your money.
If you're expecting a good deal,shouldn't it be based upon the
fact that you've known that person for a long time and you
have a good relationship with them, not that they're aware of
your financial problems and therefore you can exploit them
(21:33):
because of that? Then he starts what's going on
about how, you know, he thinks that he's arguing with Summit
because he's jealous of the factthat he's starting his own
business because all of Rockets businesses have already failed.
I thought he already had a couple of his own.
Did he really close them all? Where does this jealousy come
in? And and what world would he be
(21:56):
jealous of you for? What?
What? What do you?
Have because he's married. Because he's married to Jenny.
Rohit is not married yet, and soJenny thinks that he's jealous
of Summit being a married man and having his own place.
Nope, not anymore. Who knows what's going on?
(22:17):
This is all just people's fantasy stories from the
somewhere in the depths of theirminds.
Doesn't really make a lot of sense, but they do get the
equipment so that is good. I just wanted to say that when
they were actually in that room and they were looking at stuff
for Jenny to say, can we get outof here, It's really dirty.
I thought was so tactless. Yes, you come in here
(22:39):
practically begging for free stuff, stuff on credit a good
deal, and yet you insult. Him, yes, but he got her back.
He got her back with the laughing over the spaghetti
because apparently Jenny had made Rohit a meal of her famous
spaghetti. Is this the only thing she can
cook? Maybe so.
And he starts laughing when they're talking about it,
(22:59):
obviously, because even though he just complimented her on her
great spaghetti, he means the opposite.
So yes, he did jab her back. He did though.
She didn't have to say anything.She could have just said, excuse
me, I'm just going to step outside and let you gentlemen
talk. Yes, maybe not.
I also wanted to say that like question where the rest of
(23:20):
Summit's family is, because remember how his brother was
saying, I really wish that you would have let us see this place
before you went and put money into it.
So why aren't they going with him to ensure that he gets a
good deal, that the appliances work and that will?
Fit. Yeah, given how badly Submit
(23:40):
screwed up the first part of this project, you would think
that at least one of them would be along for the ride to make
sure that he doesn't commit another very stupid error.
But no, we trust him. No, I wonder if he's just doing
all of this behind their backs and he's like, I'll get it done
and they're like now OK, sure. Shall we read on anyway?
Yes. Let's go and visit Greta and
Matthew who were having a video chat together.
(24:03):
Her first question is, are you looking for an apartment for us?
Nope. No, he is not.
No, he is not looking for an apartment.
I thought the idea was that theywere going to live there for a
little bit and he was going to look for an apartment while they
were there. That's what I thought too from
the last episode. That is the information that was
conveyed. However, this week it is
different. Yeah, because, you know, it was
(24:25):
only a matter of time before they got an apartment, and then
she could bring Hazel over. And now it turns out that what
what is what's what's going on here?
And then should mention something about Hazel's new
owners. Yes, this is troubling.
I was I was not as clear this week as I was last week about
(24:50):
this being a temporary parting from her cat.
I think think her intention is to bring the cat over, but from
everything we heard this week, it seemed like it was more of a
Nope, this is permanent. The cat's got new owners.
She used that word owners. If Matthew's not even looking
for an apartment so that they have their own place anytime
soon, then yes, the cat would bestuck in the States.
(25:14):
Yeah, I don't appreciate how we're getting little snippets of
different situations and contradictions, specifically
from Greta. Yeah, I want to really like this
couple. They seem fantastic, but there
are these little things that arenot adding up correctly at this
time and I'm confused. I want to believe that
(25:35):
everything is OK, but knowing what our 90 day experience is
like, expect some things to go wrong and expect to be
disappointed. I was also curious when she said
previously she was going on about, you know, how she's
never, she hasn't lived with a family before and she's she
feels awkward about the small talk and whatever.
And then it turns out that she stayed there a couple times
(25:56):
before. So why is this still a concern
when you've been there previously?
How did you behave before? That's a very good point.
It could just be a matter of thetime frame.
She knows that she's going to bethere for a lot longer than just
a visit. And perhaps when she was
visiting Matthew was also not working so that they could
(26:19):
entertain themselves during the day.
From what she described this week, she said they live in a
small village and it's quite remote.
It takes about an hour to walk to the nearest shop.
So if he's away every day duringthe week working and she's stuck
at home with either both the parents or one of the parents,
that's that is a tricky situation.
(26:39):
And I would think about that very carefully before moving.
So maybe that's what she's talking about when she's
expressing her anxiety over moving in with his family.
It's just the parts where she's going to be left alone with
them. Well, that's.
More of the isolation then it is, you know, her relationship
with his family. I guess so, yeah.
Yeah, it's just interesting how she's spinning things.
(27:02):
It is any last comments about them or any of the other couples
from this week? I think that that really wraps
it up there OK. You.
Nothing comes to mind. We'll just have to wait and read
on next week to see what else other little tidbits we're going
to get. Yeah.
And maybe new couples. I hope there's more couples to
(27:23):
come. That would be a lie.
I should just go to the website and look up who's on this season
because then I'll know exactly how many new ones we're getting
or not. But I haven't gotten around to
that yet, so for me it is still a surprise.
And for me too, I'm pretty sure I did all that snooping before
it came on, but it just it, I felt like the show just started
so quickly and my brain just letit go.
(27:46):
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