October 7, 2025 • 30 mins
Greta experiences some regret when the space Matthew hasprepared for her turns out to be miniscule. Jenny and Sumit’s puja disrupted by an aunt who won’t accept their relationship. Manon talks frankly with her parents about her childhood. Luke and Madelein put their money problems to bed. Chloe’s jealousy creates problems for Jonathan’s career.
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Hi Amy, Abby, we just watched Night a Day Fiance the Other way
season 7 episode. 5 Did you enjoy?
It. I found it pretty apartment that
the title of the episode was A Dog's Breakfast.
Very, very reflective. I think it was a lot of
irritation on my on my part. I was very irritated while
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watching it and it was just verydramatic, but not in like a fun
tea sipping kind of way. Just like almost like another
filler episode. Almost.
But there was some substance. We were delving into the
emotions and backstories of a few characters and it seemed
like everybody was starting to talk about something that really
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is significant in their relationship.
I. Agree with that, yeah.
It was kind of like a psychological episode.
Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, that's a.
Fair assessment. Yeah.
Thank you. Yeah, you saw a lot more
positive in it than I did, but Ialso feel like crap.
So that's probably not helping with my assessment.
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Whatever, we'll soldier on. And as we get going, let me
first do the 121 rate review andfollow us wherever you listen to
the podcast to watch us on YouTube at 90 Day Fiance.
Honestly, let's begin, OK, Gretaand Matthew, first of all, I
have to say I love a man who cleans.
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The fact that Matthew was cleaning the house to get ready
for Greta I thought was superb. And not just cleaning, like he
was dusting the top of the picture frames and, you know,
dusting the globe. I want to call it a statue like
that. That was a lot more than, you
know, just doing the dishes or the laundry or, you know, it's
just a lot more involved, right?I say this looking at my lamp
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that is covered in dust. Perhaps he can come to my place
and do that too. Well, despite his efforts,
things do not go so well for these two.
And I think it all started for me when she arrives in Market
Harborough after she's taken thetrain all the way from London.
Had to look up where this place is.
It's sort of central England, onpar with Birmingham, but a
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little bit more to the east, so not quite the center of England.
But how long was the was the train, do you know?
No idea, probably a couple of hours I would imagine, but the
thing started to fall apart for me at this stage when she
arrives and one of his first comments to her is how badly she
stinks. And OK, this is a fair
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observation. There could be a nicer way to
say it, and it doesn't really need repeating more than once.
But he did. You could have just been, oh, we
got to get you in the shower when we get home.
Yeah. He remarked on it several times
and it made me increasingly uncomfortable for her the more,
he said. It Can you imagine how self what
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is that? Oh God no, we're playing this
game again. self-conscious. She she would be, you know,
she's already uncomfortable walking into his parents place
knowing that he didn't get it. They have an apartment before
she showed up and now she's going to walk in there.
Are they going to be able to smell her?
How quickly can she get into theshower?
Just not the most welcoming situation and just so rude.
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Yes, I, I was really taken abackby it.
I thought that they had a relationship that was very
gentle. And I'm thinking perhaps that
they have a level of honesty that borders on cruelty from his
side at least. We don't know.
We haven't seen that the same inreverse yet, but just the way
that he said that many times I found to be a bit of a red flag
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and now I am worried for Greta quite a bit.
Yes. And then when they get to his
place, she's like, oh, can I start unpacking?
And he's like all the drawers with the G on it are for you,
and yet they're full. Yeah, so why bother putting AG
on the drawers if you didn't empty them?
Matthew I. Didn't think there was anything
in them. Yes, but in order to check you
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have to, you know, open the drawer.
You just arbitrarily put a bunchof G's on it and then thinking
that 3 drawers and 20 hangers was enough.
Like how did you make that assessment?
I know. The way that he just very
dismissively brushed aside a fewof his clothes, even though they
take up 99% of the rack that is the clothing rack and said, oh,
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that should be enough space for her, I thought.
But that is also worrisome. Why are you not editing your
clothes and putting some of yourthings away so that the the rack
itself is hat now half empty so that she can put her things
there. I Yeah.
And I've actually confused. He the way that he was going
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through that drawer and he's like, oh, yeah, this is mine and
this is mine and that's mine. Well, who's else's would it be?
And also, don't you want to do things a little quicker?
Like I appreciated the fact thatshe suggested, you know, throw
it all in a bag and then sort ofthrew it later.
I thought that was reasonable. But I mean, come on, man.
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He is not. He's not setting up her her
arrival to be the most loving and welcoming.
Not at all. I really felt for her.
I mean, there were two things going on, I think.
And one is Greta is at the end of her rope as far as being
tired from such a long journey, and then the emotional
exhaustion of she's left her cat.
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She's moving permanently now. Her boyfriend immediately tells
her that she stinks several times and then she goes and
finds that in fact the space that he promised to make for her
in this one room that you'll be sharing rather than your own
apartment isn't really substantial at all.
And she will have to live out ofher suitcases for some unknown
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period of time. So two kinds of tiredness set in
straight away and you can see her fuse is very, very short.
Her emotions are extremely closeto the surface and she starts to
break down once she's realized that she is now reduced to a
couple of drawers that are minuscule.
I really felt for her. Yeah, me too.
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I and you know, just that emotional exhaustion from the
trip would have been enough. Perhaps even him harping on her
smelling would have been enough.And then just to make her feel
so unwelcome and dismissed, as you said, I think that that that
was just the the perfect combination of situations for
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her to have a momentary breakdown.
Yeah, but it's completely relatable.
She's given up everything. She's in this teeny tiny little
space now. This is the only space that she
has that she could call her own,that is now shared.
And she can't even have enough drawers.
I really felt the the thing thatthis couple needs more than
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anything else right now is theirown apartment.
And this was an enormous oversight on Matthew's part not
to get his act together and findthe place to live before she
moved and. What's his plan like are like
how long are they going to be staying at his parents house
for? And it also bothered me.
I mean, this is probably for convenience and you know,
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location, whatever space. But he had his whole computer
setup in his bedroom, which tookup almost as much room as the
bed. So does that mean that he's
working from home or is this a gaming setup?
Or like what? What does this mean?
Because she said when she first arrived that, you know, she's
not going to have any space of her own.
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And even the space that she doeshave, again, is he working from
home? Is she going to be able to chill
in that room? Is that also where he spends all
of his time? Is she going to have any
opportunity for either alone time or, I don't know, space for
herself? Yeah, the valid questions.
I really would like to know if he's working from home or if
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that is just a gaming setup. Because if it is just a gaming
setup, bad, bad move Matthew. If it is his actual workstation,
then there's nothing he can do about that.
That's perhaps the only space that he can have which affords
him some quietness and privacy during the day.
So he can work. Either way, this is not an A
great start and I am very curious as to why they've
portrayed Matthew in this way tous.
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Yeah, How is this going to work and what other personality
traits are we going to see come out of him exactly?
Shall we read on? Jenny and Summit are up next.
Well, I wanted to know how things were going at the cafe.
And very frustratingly, we did not see the cafe.
Not even for a single solitary second.
And this is at the forefront of my mind.
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All I want to know is how much progress have they made?
Is it going to open soon? What's it look like?
Did they change their minds again?
What's going on? Are they affording it?
Did the stuff arrive from the friend who is giving them
appliances? No, instead we're going to have
a puja, a party at Smith's family home, with all kinds of
different relatives arriving, even though it has been some
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time since Jenny and Summit havemoved in, and the puja is
ostensibly to celebrate the change in the household, them
being there, so whatevs. OK.
And the one big event that seemsto be the focus of this episode
is that Sadhna's sister definitely has some very strong
opinions about Jenny and does not approve of the relationship,
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nor does she recognize or acceptit.
I thought it was her sister-in-law.
I I heard them say sister, but yeah, you could be right.
I don't know. It would.
It was Submit's aunt. Yes, yes, yes.
I really didn't appreciate how incredibly aggressive she was
towards Jenny and towards Sadna.Like when she actually picked
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Sadna up from the ground and practically threw her across the
room, her standing over Jenny, you know, shit talking, the
little flowers that the sand flowers that she's making.
And what is the purpose of this?I have no idea.
I did not understand this whatsoever.
Exactly. It seemed like everybody else
who was there was totally fine with Jenny and Summit didn't
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have anything negative to say about the relationship.
It's just this one person. So has she been targeted by the
cast as the person who's going to be the instigator and so
therefore she has to play this role?
Or does this how she really feels?
Villain game. Yeah.
And then and then her saying that a marriage without
society's acceptance is unacceptable.
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OK, well, who makes that determination?
Who makes that assessment? I don't know because I don't
belong to that culture, but as far as I understand it's
generally not acceptable for thewife to be older than the
husband, especially with such a big gap, and so they are fair
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game for being targeted and madefun of.
And ostracized as we've seen that with Simmons family before.
Yeah. Though I I really appreciated
how Summit was standing up for his relationship with Jenny and
how surprisingly, his parents also came to her defense and
sadness saying, you know, he's happy, he loves her.
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That's all that really matters. We've accepted it.
Why can't you? Absolutely, it was wonderful to
see Summit stand up for Jenny so, so strongly.
And of course he would. He would do because he is the
happiest person there about thisrelationship.
And then Summit's dad, who chimed in first.
We've seen him stand up for Jenny and Summit before, so that
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wasn't very surprising. But to see Sadhna giving her
reasons why this relationship should be accepted was really,
really encouraging. Like it's the first time that I
felt that she was feeling good about the relationship.
Even though in those first opening episodes of the season,
you and I have mentioned this, that Sadhna is saying she loves
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Jenny, but she has this look of pure disgust on her face.
So we see the duality of her feelings about Jenny.
However, here it was pretty clear.
She wants her son to be happy and his happiness depends on
being married to Jenny. So therefore she accepts it.
But this sister or aunt, whatever you want to call, she's
just a bum. She's a bum.
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She says awful, terrible things and there's no reason for it
when everybody else is totally enjoying the day and not making
a fuss whatsoever about the couple.
So for her to get up and leave was in a way it was good.
Remove that person from the room?
Yes, please. On the other hand, she finds it
so disgusting that she can't stay there anymore.
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Excuse me, what? Why?
I mean, that's on her. Any other comments for yes, no,
no? Let's read on then let's go to
Manon and Anthony. They have been there for a few
days now and Manon has this planto bring everybody together by
going out to play pay Tonk. Great game, love this.
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Again, I was asking questions that we're just completely not
touched on at all in this episode.
How is Anthony doing with learning French?
How is his job search going? Is Mano working from home like
she said she was going to do? How is she managing that?
Do we have the space that we need for her to have her own
little office and do work? How much time is she spending
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doing that and how much time is she spending with her son?
Because that was her chief complaint before.
Who's looking after the baby? No, let's not talk about any of
that stuff. Let's just go talk about the
past. Yes, I mean I.
Really wish. That we didn't have to be
exposed that again, she claims that she's focusing on the
positive and yet I haven't heardher say 1 positive thing.
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I think she. Did say a positive thing at the
end of this. Can't remember what her words
were, but she was saying that she was going to be focusing on
more of the present and the future rather than dwelling in
the past. I'm not sure I believe that.
Yeah, with Anthony says Meno is dwelling in the past and this
can be an obstacle to their settling into France to to their
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relationship as well. That for me was very revealing
of what's going on. I think you and I have also
discussed this, that Menon seemsto have her own narrative in her
mind of how things transpire andhow things have been in the past
that is actually somewhat removed from reality because she
does like to make herself into avictim.
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So it was really nice to see theparents calmly listening to her
make her complaints about how she was raised.
They didn't, they didn't make excuses for themselves.
They did apologize, but they also were being fairly level in
recognizing that Meno has internalized this.
Like she's the one who makes herlife what it is.
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And so if she decides that everything is crap in her life,
then that is probably the outcome she's going to get.
So I found them to be supportive.
So yes, supportive understanding, no deflection,
just I thought, you know, from their side of things, they
handled the conversation really well.
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Though I also wondered why they needed to have it at the park.
And I also wondered how much Anthony understood because she
wasn't translating for him, though in the beginning when she
was explaining the rules of the game, she was translating.
So is he just sitting there just.
I guess he doesn't need to know because it's all about her
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maybe. Well, she's probably going to
lose it on him later and yell athim about it, as we've seen
before. Yes.
OK, Grow up, Manon. Anyway, I got the feeling that
the parents definitely are here now for Manon in whatever way
she needs them, which is fantastic.
And I really hope that she appreciates her family and the
way that they have grown, because if there is a way that
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they treated her in the past that was not good, then
obviously that has changed. There has been some progress.
And why? Why shouldn't there be?
Everybody changes all the time, right?
So if they've become better people and they're able to be
more accepting of her weight andnot body shame her, then this is
all good. This is wonderful stuff.
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And Meno should lighten up and be present.
And lean into the support systemthat she has.
Yes. Shall we read on?
OK. Hesitation.
Oh. God, you know, I feel about this
couple. Yes, I know it's Luke and
Madeline once again. Yay, Bunny Bunny Bunny.
Shall we talk about what you andI discussed off the podcast last
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week About the theory of what? Friend.
Yes, yes, she. So when they were arguing, she
actually looked like she was loving it.
And what were we talking about? Something about how her and
Madeline are working in cahoots to siphon Luke's money and it.
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Feels like there might be the potential for that happening
because of this person. I don't.
I can't remember how to say her full name but I'm calling her
Liz because those are the first 3 letters of her name.
If Liz is the wedding planner and the beauty pageant coach
slash dressmaker, then these twoare pretty close, right?
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And there's a lot of crossover in the money that Madeline is
giving to Liz in order to make her pageant dresses to do handle
her wedding and possibly also enter her beauty pageant.
So are they working together? Or is Madeline, as Luke
suggested last week, taking money to pay for things that she
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wants to pay for, like clothes or whatever, when actually it's
intended for the wedding? Yeah.
Well, she didn't have those ghastly extensions previously,
so I wouldn't be surprised if she spent some of the money on
those. God, they're just awful.
And how is she still eating thatjar of Nutella?
Which at one point seemed to be all over her face and her hand.
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She actually looked like a toddler who had sat down with a
jar of the chocolate sauce and just just all over the face, all
over the body. Just yeah.
Yeah, it was just so gross. You know, I really would have
appreciated had they they filmedher washing her hands.
Yeah, I think that would have made me feel a little better.
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One more thing that relates backto our theory, which is just
that a theory that maybe there'ssome shady business going on in
the background, is that every time Liz talks about the money
and the wedding, she says eitheryou're going to pay for
everything or it's cancelled. There doesn't seem to be a point
until the end of this segment ofthis episode where she says, OK,
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well, we can cancel this and we can cancel that and then you're
within the budget. But just that extreme black and
white, it's either this or it's that you can't have anything in
between. Seems suspect to me.
I. Wonder if her and Madeleine had
had a conversation previously and Madeleine was like, whatever
you do, don't let him cut anything from the wedding.
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Yeah. So maybe that's why she was
taking that, that position. I also wondered if, you know,
they'd already paid for the majority of the other things,
and it was just, you know, a couple remaining things that
were left deposits. I don't know.
But I was quite surprised when Madeline actually did compromise
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and removed the dancers and the mariachi band.
And you could even see Liz when she's like, oh, we're removing
the mariachi band, aren't we? OK, What kind of a wedding is
this going to be? There is a certain amount of
judgement on it. OK, remove the marianchi band
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question mark. And we didn't see if there were
any other things that they took out of the list.
But if those two things cost $1000 US, I'd be very, very
surprised. Yes.
So it was interesting that they managed to fit within the exact
budget that Luke brought with him, which happened to be given
to him by his dad at the airportbefore he came to Colombia.
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How this all works is very mysterious and weird.
To me and also why does he need 2 days to get the money?
Did his dad did he? Did his dad give him cash or did
he give him a check? A check, so he's probably going
to take it to the bank. Makes more sense.
I'm like why don't you just signthe check over then?
I don't know. It it's just weird.
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That's all I can come up with todescribe it.
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me.
There's definitely something fishy going on.
I'm not entirely sure what it is, but I mean, I don't trust
Madeleine and I really don't trust her friend even more.
Yeah, and I think the two of them together are just toxic.
OK, as usual we get to see more Madeline pouting.
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She gets really angry and Luke is going to bed.
Remember he's just come all the way from the states so this is
still his first day. It's been a really long day and
he's exhausted. He wants to go to bed and she's
like oh go sleep on the couch. Nice, nice behavior.
It's very attractive. You just.
Finalized your wedding plans andthis is how you're behaving.
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I mean, I think Liz was on the money when she said you guys
really need to work on your union because if you're already
fighting about this. Yeah, yeah.
And and it's over budget by $3000.
So you got a pretty good deal, Madeline.
You should be grateful. Jesus, no.
No, why would she be? Grateful for a damn thing.
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Reading on, sorry. Yes, OK, we have Chloe and
Johnny who go out to dinner on the beach.
Beautiful. It looks gorgeous.
That salad looks so fresh. I wanted to be there so much,
the sand and the ocean and the trees.
Oh, it's beautiful, the. Warmth.
Yeah, so warm that you can sit out at night and have no sleeves
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or jackets. Long pants.
I don't think she was wearing her sunscreen today or in this
episode. Did you notice how red she got?
Yes, yeah, After that beach day,I'm sure she got a little bit of
a burn. Anyway, here comes the ugly
green monster. It's jealousy.
And again, what was the plan? Did you not talk about this
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beforehand? You knew what he did for a
living. That's how you met.
Yeah, this is the most astonishing part for me, that
she was fully aware of what his career was when she met him on
the pirate boat. And yet now that they're
together, she wants him to leavethe pirate boat because she
can't cope with the idea of him being the object of of
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attraction of other women. It's not even that he's flirting
with them, although he may be whatever.
This guy just wants to settle down.
He wants to be a family with youand and you have so little trust
in him that you can't believe that he's going to work just to
earn money and tips, that he's not doing something nefarious on
the side. And how many couples have we
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seen in the past where, you know, this significant other
works in the service industry and then they're like, OK, when
we're together, it won't be as big of a deal.
And now she's making it an even bigger deal.
You can't just appreciate the fact that he's coming home to
you every night. Yeah.
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She absolutely tries everything that she possibly can in order
to try to get him to commit to leave or to leave entirely.
And yeah, she wants a timeline which goes from one year to two
years. So she's not happy about that.
She's trying to get him to take a role on the pirate ship that
is less interactive with the guests so that he's not able to.
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And I'm like, the whole time it's clear he likes his job.
He maybe, maybe he even loves his job.
But Chloe's immaturity and jealousy does not equal him
having to quit his job or turn himself into somebody he has not
or take a job that he doesn't love.
And she's just not able to get there.
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She, I mean, she is so young, she is inexperienced.
And even though he has proved himself now to be somebody who
wants to be mature, settled, adult, whatever words you want
to label it with and just be at home with her, she's got this
whole narrative in her mind thatis telling her she needs to
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control him in order for bad things not to happen.
She is so secure that he has to change his career now.
Yes, and he. Even said like, he's not going
to be changing his entire life for her.
And I think that that was a veryreasonable response because
they've only been together for ayear.
She's only just arrived and now she wants him to quit his job,
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get some other job or something because apparently there are
plenty of jobs in Aruba. So she says.
And then she was like, well, what about this business that
you were talking about starting,which was so incredibly flimsy?
He's like, yeah, I'll write a business plan in about a year,
but I'd like something to do in the water.
I love being in the water. So your current job?
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Yes. Like really?
Yes. OK.
And. At no point was she like,
supportive of this to be like, OK, what kind of business in the
water? Like there was no encouragement
or anything. It was just to quit your job.
Yeah, she wants to be a part of the new business venture,
whatever that turns out to be. And I thought it was also quite
hilarious the way that he said he just wants to be on the
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water. I was like, so you're going to
be a merman? What?
What exactly are you envisioningthis job on the water to be?
Except if it's not almost exactly like what you're doing
right now, but on a smaller scale.
And then he talks about needing to find investors for the
business. And I thought, oh, is this where
Chloe comes in? Is she going to bring in the
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investors, either through her own money or her mom or people
that she knows? So this will be interesting to
see. Although given that it's
probably 2 years away, it's doubtful that we'll get to
actually watch him transition from the pirate ship to what
whatever the next thing is on the water.
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I'm.
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I'm hoping that she doesn't beathim down to the point where he
quits just to appease her. I really hope that he makes the
best decision for him no matter what that turns out to be.
Because I feel like if he does quit his job and takes takes one
that he's not entirely happy with, is that transition going
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to be acceptable to him knowing that this is his opportunity or,
you know, Chloe, to not be so jealous and then to possibly be
able to settle down and actuallystart your family?
Or is there going to be a resentment?
Good old resentment. Well he did mention that before
in a previous relationship he had I think quit his job or
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changed his job for the sake of his girlfriend who didn't like
the fact that he was flirting with people much as Chloe
doesn't like. So we know that he's already
been down that route. I think it's fairly unlikely
that he would leave the job likehe did before since he's
experienced that and he did not like it, it didn't end well.
And he seems to be fairly level headed and reasonable with his
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decisions. And he seems to also learn from
his mistakes, so I have faith that he will do what's what's
best for him. I don't know, maybe she'll just
get so frustrated if he doesn't quit his job that she's just
going to leave and go back to the States.
Don't we have mom coming next week, isn't?
She. Supposed to arrive, yeah.
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One week. Yes.
Is mom going to berate him and try to convince him to quit his
job too? Are they going to gang up on
him? I hope not.
I hope Mom has more sense than that.
I. Also hope so but look at the
child that she was raised so I'mnot confident.
OK, any final thoughts for this week?
Not so much about this week though, with the preview that we
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get for next week. New couple.
Yay. She's 58, he's 3930. 9.
Yeah, I think so. Awesome 30 some young.
Yeah, and they've been together for 12 years.
I'm not math and that out, but that's OK.
Yeah, OK. I'm looking forward to meeting
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this new couple. It will be interesting to see
what their dynamic is like. And you know, because they have
been together for 12 years. Why haven't they gotten engaged
yet? Why haven't they moved in
together? What's been the delay?
Has it been there 20 some odd breakups?
That's like almost averaging 2 breakups a year.
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I hadn't even thought of it thatway.
Yes. 12 years, 20 breakups, yes,that's a lot of conflict.
It is. Also a fair amount of
resolution, I mean, if they did continue to get back together,
but have they actually resolved anything or is it just the
complacency of getting back together?
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I'm really I'm not sure, but I'mlooking forward to it.
Me too. I also wonder if, because there
are so many like non stories, you know, with Summit and Jenny
and Manana Anthony, are they going to cut one of the one of
the other relationships out or are we just going to see less of
them in order to make room for the new the new couple?
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I mean, we've seen it before where they add on random couples
throughout the throughout the season.
So I don't know. I'm just I'm looking forward to
it. This is going to be fresh new
people, new situations. I hope it's good watching.
What about you? Last thoughts.
I am also very excited for the new couple.
That is all. OK good talk.
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Hi Amy, Abby, we just watched Night a Day Fiance the Other way
season 7 episode. 5 Did you enjoy?
It. I found it pretty apartment that
the title of the episode was A Dog's Breakfast.
Very, very reflective. I think it was a lot of
irritation on my on my part. I was very irritated while
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watching it and it was just verydramatic, but not in like a fun
tea sipping kind of way. Just like almost like another
filler episode. Almost.
But there was some substance. We were delving into the
emotions and backstories of a few characters and it seemed
like everybody was starting to talk about something that really
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is significant in their relationship.
I. Agree with that, yeah.
It was kind of like a psychological episode.
Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, that's a.
Fair assessment. Yeah.
Thank you. Yeah, you saw a lot more
positive in it than I did, but Ialso feel like crap.
So that's probably not helping with my assessment.
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Whatever, we'll soldier on. And as we get going, let me
first do the 121 rate review andfollow us wherever you listen to
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Honestly, let's begin, OK, Gretaand Matthew, first of all, I
have to say I love a man who cleans.
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The fact that Matthew was cleaning the house to get ready
for Greta I thought was superb. And not just cleaning, like he
was dusting the top of the picture frames and, you know,
dusting the globe. I want to call it a statue like
that. That was a lot more than, you
know, just doing the dishes or the laundry or, you know, it's
just a lot more involved, right?I say this looking at my lamp
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that is covered in dust. Perhaps he can come to my place
and do that too. Well, despite his efforts,
things do not go so well for these two.
And I think it all started for me when she arrives in Market
Harborough after she's taken thetrain all the way from London.
Had to look up where this place is.
It's sort of central England, onpar with Birmingham, but a
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little bit more to the east, so not quite the center of England.
But how long was the was the train, do you know?
No idea, probably a couple of hours I would imagine, but the
thing started to fall apart for me at this stage when she
arrives and one of his first comments to her is how badly she
stinks. And OK, this is a fair
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observation. There could be a nicer way to
say it, and it doesn't really need repeating more than once.
But he did. You could have just been, oh, we
got to get you in the shower when we get home.
Yeah. He remarked on it several times
and it made me increasingly uncomfortable for her the more,
he said. It Can you imagine how self what
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is that? Oh God no, we're playing this
game again. self-conscious. She she would be, you know,
she's already uncomfortable walking into his parents place
knowing that he didn't get it. They have an apartment before
she showed up and now she's going to walk in there.
Are they going to be able to smell her?
How quickly can she get into theshower?
Just not the most welcoming situation and just so rude.
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Yes, I, I was really taken abackby it.
I thought that they had a relationship that was very
gentle. And I'm thinking perhaps that
they have a level of honesty that borders on cruelty from his
side at least. We don't know.
We haven't seen that the same inreverse yet, but just the way
that he said that many times I found to be a bit of a red flag
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and now I am worried for Greta quite a bit.
Yes. And then when they get to his
place, she's like, oh, can I start unpacking?
And he's like all the drawers with the G on it are for you,
and yet they're full. Yeah, so why bother putting AG
on the drawers if you didn't empty them?
Matthew I. Didn't think there was anything
in them. Yes, but in order to check you
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have to, you know, open the drawer.
You just arbitrarily put a bunchof G's on it and then thinking
that 3 drawers and 20 hangers was enough.
Like how did you make that assessment?
I know. The way that he just very
dismissively brushed aside a fewof his clothes, even though they
take up 99% of the rack that is the clothing rack and said, oh,
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that should be enough space for her, I thought.
But that is also worrisome. Why are you not editing your
clothes and putting some of yourthings away so that the the rack
itself is hat now half empty so that she can put her things
there. I Yeah.
And I've actually confused. He the way that he was going
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through that drawer and he's like, oh, yeah, this is mine and
this is mine and that's mine. Well, who's else's would it be?
And also, don't you want to do things a little quicker?
Like I appreciated the fact thatshe suggested, you know, throw
it all in a bag and then sort ofthrew it later.
I thought that was reasonable. But I mean, come on, man.
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He is not. He's not setting up her her
arrival to be the most loving and welcoming.
Not at all. I really felt for her.
I mean, there were two things going on, I think.
And one is Greta is at the end of her rope as far as being
tired from such a long journey, and then the emotional
exhaustion of she's left her cat.
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She's moving permanently now. Her boyfriend immediately tells
her that she stinks several times and then she goes and
finds that in fact the space that he promised to make for her
in this one room that you'll be sharing rather than your own
apartment isn't really substantial at all.
And she will have to live out ofher suitcases for some unknown
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period of time. So two kinds of tiredness set in
straight away and you can see her fuse is very, very short.
Her emotions are extremely closeto the surface and she starts to
break down once she's realized that she is now reduced to a
couple of drawers that are minuscule.
I really felt for her. Yeah, me too.
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I and you know, just that emotional exhaustion from the
trip would have been enough. Perhaps even him harping on her
smelling would have been enough.And then just to make her feel
so unwelcome and dismissed, as you said, I think that that that
was just the the perfect combination of situations for
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her to have a momentary breakdown.
Yeah, but it's completely relatable.
She's given up everything. She's in this teeny tiny little
space now. This is the only space that she
has that she could call her own,that is now shared.
And she can't even have enough drawers.
I really felt the the thing thatthis couple needs more than
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anything else right now is theirown apartment.
And this was an enormous oversight on Matthew's part not
to get his act together and findthe place to live before she
moved and. What's his plan like are like
how long are they going to be staying at his parents house
for? And it also bothered me.
I mean, this is probably for convenience and you know,
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location, whatever space. But he had his whole computer
setup in his bedroom, which tookup almost as much room as the
bed. So does that mean that he's
working from home or is this a gaming setup?
Or like what? What does this mean?
Because she said when she first arrived that, you know, she's
not going to have any space of her own.
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And even the space that she doeshave, again, is he working from
home? Is she going to be able to chill
in that room? Is that also where he spends all
of his time? Is she going to have any
opportunity for either alone time or, I don't know, space for
herself? Yeah, the valid questions.
I really would like to know if he's working from home or if
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that is just a gaming setup. Because if it is just a gaming
setup, bad, bad move Matthew. If it is his actual workstation,
then there's nothing he can do about that.
That's perhaps the only space that he can have which affords
him some quietness and privacy during the day.
So he can work. Either way, this is not an A
great start and I am very curious as to why they've
portrayed Matthew in this way tous.
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Yeah, How is this going to work and what other personality
traits are we going to see come out of him exactly?
Shall we read on? Jenny and Summit are up next.
Well, I wanted to know how things were going at the cafe.
And very frustratingly, we did not see the cafe.
Not even for a single solitary second.
And this is at the forefront of my mind.
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All I want to know is how much progress have they made?
Is it going to open soon? What's it look like?
Did they change their minds again?
What's going on? Are they affording it?
Did the stuff arrive from the friend who is giving them
appliances? No, instead we're going to have
a puja, a party at Smith's family home, with all kinds of
different relatives arriving, even though it has been some
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time since Jenny and Summit havemoved in, and the puja is
ostensibly to celebrate the change in the household, them
being there, so whatevs. OK.
And the one big event that seemsto be the focus of this episode
is that Sadhna's sister definitely has some very strong
opinions about Jenny and does not approve of the relationship,
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nor does she recognize or acceptit.
I thought it was her sister-in-law.
I I heard them say sister, but yeah, you could be right.
I don't know. It would.
It was Submit's aunt. Yes, yes, yes.
I really didn't appreciate how incredibly aggressive she was
towards Jenny and towards Sadna.Like when she actually picked
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Sadna up from the ground and practically threw her across the
room, her standing over Jenny, you know, shit talking, the
little flowers that the sand flowers that she's making.
And what is the purpose of this?I have no idea.
I did not understand this whatsoever.
Exactly. It seemed like everybody else
who was there was totally fine with Jenny and Summit didn't
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have anything negative to say about the relationship.
It's just this one person. So has she been targeted by the
cast as the person who's going to be the instigator and so
therefore she has to play this role?
Or does this how she really feels?
Villain game. Yeah.
And then and then her saying that a marriage without
society's acceptance is unacceptable.
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OK, well, who makes that determination?
Who makes that assessment? I don't know because I don't
belong to that culture, but as far as I understand it's
generally not acceptable for thewife to be older than the
husband, especially with such a big gap, and so they are fair
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game for being targeted and madefun of.
And ostracized as we've seen that with Simmons family before.
Yeah. Though I I really appreciated
how Summit was standing up for his relationship with Jenny and
how surprisingly, his parents also came to her defense and
sadness saying, you know, he's happy, he loves her.
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That's all that really matters. We've accepted it.
Why can't you? Absolutely, it was wonderful to
see Summit stand up for Jenny so, so strongly.
And of course he would. He would do because he is the
happiest person there about thisrelationship.
And then Summit's dad, who chimed in first.
We've seen him stand up for Jenny and Summit before, so that
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wasn't very surprising. But to see Sadhna giving her
reasons why this relationship should be accepted was really,
really encouraging. Like it's the first time that I
felt that she was feeling good about the relationship.
Even though in those first opening episodes of the season,
you and I have mentioned this, that Sadhna is saying she loves
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Jenny, but she has this look of pure disgust on her face.
So we see the duality of her feelings about Jenny.
However, here it was pretty clear.
She wants her son to be happy and his happiness depends on
being married to Jenny. So therefore she accepts it.
But this sister or aunt, whatever you want to call, she's
just a bum. She's a bum.
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She says awful, terrible things and there's no reason for it
when everybody else is totally enjoying the day and not making
a fuss whatsoever about the couple.
So for her to get up and leave was in a way it was good.
Remove that person from the room?
Yes, please. On the other hand, she finds it
so disgusting that she can't stay there anymore.
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Excuse me, what? Why?
I mean, that's on her. Any other comments for yes, no,
no? Let's read on then let's go to
Manon and Anthony. They have been there for a few
days now and Manon has this planto bring everybody together by
going out to play pay Tonk. Great game, love this.
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Again, I was asking questions that we're just completely not
touched on at all in this episode.
How is Anthony doing with learning French?
How is his job search going? Is Mano working from home like
she said she was going to do? How is she managing that?
Do we have the space that we need for her to have her own
little office and do work? How much time is she spending
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doing that and how much time is she spending with her son?
Because that was her chief complaint before.
Who's looking after the baby? No, let's not talk about any of
that stuff. Let's just go talk about the
past. Yes, I mean I.
Really wish. That we didn't have to be
exposed that again, she claims that she's focusing on the
positive and yet I haven't heardher say 1 positive thing.
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I think she. Did say a positive thing at the
end of this. Can't remember what her words
were, but she was saying that she was going to be focusing on
more of the present and the future rather than dwelling in
the past. I'm not sure I believe that.
Yeah, with Anthony says Meno is dwelling in the past and this
can be an obstacle to their settling into France to to their
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relationship as well. That for me was very revealing
of what's going on. I think you and I have also
discussed this, that Menon seemsto have her own narrative in her
mind of how things transpire andhow things have been in the past
that is actually somewhat removed from reality because she
does like to make herself into avictim.
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So it was really nice to see theparents calmly listening to her
make her complaints about how she was raised.
They didn't, they didn't make excuses for themselves.
They did apologize, but they also were being fairly level in
recognizing that Meno has internalized this.
Like she's the one who makes herlife what it is.
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And so if she decides that everything is crap in her life,
then that is probably the outcome she's going to get.
So I found them to be supportive.
So yes, supportive understanding, no deflection,
just I thought, you know, from their side of things, they
handled the conversation really well.
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Though I also wondered why they needed to have it at the park.
And I also wondered how much Anthony understood because she
wasn't translating for him, though in the beginning when she
was explaining the rules of the game, she was translating.
So is he just sitting there just.
I guess he doesn't need to know because it's all about her
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maybe. Well, she's probably going to
lose it on him later and yell athim about it, as we've seen
before. Yes.
OK, Grow up, Manon. Anyway, I got the feeling that
the parents definitely are here now for Manon in whatever way
she needs them, which is fantastic.
And I really hope that she appreciates her family and the
way that they have grown, because if there is a way that
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they treated her in the past that was not good, then
obviously that has changed. There has been some progress.
And why? Why shouldn't there be?
Everybody changes all the time, right?
So if they've become better people and they're able to be
more accepting of her weight andnot body shame her, then this is
all good. This is wonderful stuff.
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And Meno should lighten up and be present.
And lean into the support systemthat she has.
Yes. Shall we read on?
OK. Hesitation.
Oh. God, you know, I feel about this
couple. Yes, I know it's Luke and
Madeline once again. Yay, Bunny Bunny Bunny.
Shall we talk about what you andI discussed off the podcast last
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week About the theory of what? Friend.
Yes, yes, she. So when they were arguing, she
actually looked like she was loving it.
And what were we talking about? Something about how her and
Madeline are working in cahoots to siphon Luke's money and it.
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Feels like there might be the potential for that happening
because of this person. I don't.
I can't remember how to say her full name but I'm calling her
Liz because those are the first 3 letters of her name.
If Liz is the wedding planner and the beauty pageant coach
slash dressmaker, then these twoare pretty close, right?
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And there's a lot of crossover in the money that Madeline is
giving to Liz in order to make her pageant dresses to do handle
her wedding and possibly also enter her beauty pageant.
So are they working together? Or is Madeline, as Luke
suggested last week, taking money to pay for things that she
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wants to pay for, like clothes or whatever, when actually it's
intended for the wedding? Yeah.
Well, she didn't have those ghastly extensions previously,
so I wouldn't be surprised if she spent some of the money on
those. God, they're just awful.
And how is she still eating thatjar of Nutella?
Which at one point seemed to be all over her face and her hand.
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She actually looked like a toddler who had sat down with a
jar of the chocolate sauce and just just all over the face, all
over the body. Just yeah.
Yeah, it was just so gross. You know, I really would have
appreciated had they they filmedher washing her hands.
Yeah, I think that would have made me feel a little better.
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One more thing that relates backto our theory, which is just
that a theory that maybe there'ssome shady business going on in
the background, is that every time Liz talks about the money
and the wedding, she says eitheryou're going to pay for
everything or it's cancelled. There doesn't seem to be a point
until the end of this segment ofthis episode where she says, OK,
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well, we can cancel this and we can cancel that and then you're
within the budget. But just that extreme black and
white, it's either this or it's that you can't have anything in
between. Seems suspect to me.
I. Wonder if her and Madeleine had
had a conversation previously and Madeleine was like, whatever
you do, don't let him cut anything from the wedding.
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Yeah. So maybe that's why she was
taking that, that position. I also wondered if, you know,
they'd already paid for the majority of the other things,
and it was just, you know, a couple remaining things that
were left deposits. I don't know.
But I was quite surprised when Madeline actually did compromise
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and removed the dancers and the mariachi band.
And you could even see Liz when she's like, oh, we're removing
the mariachi band, aren't we? OK, What kind of a wedding is
this going to be? There is a certain amount of
judgement on it. OK, remove the marianchi band
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question mark. And we didn't see if there were
any other things that they took out of the list.
But if those two things cost $1000 US, I'd be very, very
surprised. Yes.
So it was interesting that they managed to fit within the exact
budget that Luke brought with him, which happened to be given
to him by his dad at the airportbefore he came to Colombia.
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How this all works is very mysterious and weird.
To me and also why does he need 2 days to get the money?
Did his dad did he? Did his dad give him cash or did
he give him a check? A check, so he's probably going
to take it to the bank. Makes more sense.
I'm like why don't you just signthe check over then?
I don't know. It it's just weird.
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That's all I can come up with todescribe it.
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me.
There's definitely something fishy going on.
I'm not entirely sure what it is, but I mean, I don't trust
Madeleine and I really don't trust her friend even more.
Yeah, and I think the two of them together are just toxic.
OK, as usual we get to see more Madeline pouting.
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She gets really angry and Luke is going to bed.
Remember he's just come all the way from the states so this is
still his first day. It's been a really long day and
he's exhausted. He wants to go to bed and she's
like oh go sleep on the couch. Nice, nice behavior.
It's very attractive. You just.
Finalized your wedding plans andthis is how you're behaving.
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I mean, I think Liz was on the money when she said you guys
really need to work on your union because if you're already
fighting about this. Yeah, yeah.
And and it's over budget by $3000.
So you got a pretty good deal, Madeline.
You should be grateful. Jesus, no.
No, why would she be? Grateful for a damn thing.
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Reading on, sorry. Yes, OK, we have Chloe and
Johnny who go out to dinner on the beach.
Beautiful. It looks gorgeous.
That salad looks so fresh. I wanted to be there so much,
the sand and the ocean and the trees.
Oh, it's beautiful, the. Warmth.
Yeah, so warm that you can sit out at night and have no sleeves
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or jackets. Long pants.
I don't think she was wearing her sunscreen today or in this
episode. Did you notice how red she got?
Yes, yeah, After that beach day,I'm sure she got a little bit of
a burn. Anyway, here comes the ugly
green monster. It's jealousy.
And again, what was the plan? Did you not talk about this
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beforehand? You knew what he did for a
living. That's how you met.
Yeah, this is the most astonishing part for me, that
she was fully aware of what his career was when she met him on
the pirate boat. And yet now that they're
together, she wants him to leavethe pirate boat because she
can't cope with the idea of him being the object of of
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attraction of other women. It's not even that he's flirting
with them, although he may be whatever.
This guy just wants to settle down.
He wants to be a family with youand and you have so little trust
in him that you can't believe that he's going to work just to
earn money and tips, that he's not doing something nefarious on
the side. And how many couples have we
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seen in the past where, you know, this significant other
works in the service industry and then they're like, OK, when
we're together, it won't be as big of a deal.
And now she's making it an even bigger deal.
You can't just appreciate the fact that he's coming home to
you every night. Yeah.
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She absolutely tries everything that she possibly can in order
to try to get him to commit to leave or to leave entirely.
And yeah, she wants a timeline which goes from one year to two
years. So she's not happy about that.
She's trying to get him to take a role on the pirate ship that
is less interactive with the guests so that he's not able to.
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And I'm like, the whole time it's clear he likes his job.
He maybe, maybe he even loves his job.
But Chloe's immaturity and jealousy does not equal him
having to quit his job or turn himself into somebody he has not
or take a job that he doesn't love.
And she's just not able to get there.
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She, I mean, she is so young, she is inexperienced.
And even though he has proved himself now to be somebody who
wants to be mature, settled, adult, whatever words you want
to label it with and just be at home with her, she's got this
whole narrative in her mind thatis telling her she needs to
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control him in order for bad things not to happen.
She is so secure that he has to change his career now.
Yes, and he. Even said like, he's not going
to be changing his entire life for her.
And I think that that was a veryreasonable response because
they've only been together for ayear.
She's only just arrived and now she wants him to quit his job,
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get some other job or something because apparently there are
plenty of jobs in Aruba. So she says.
And then she was like, well, what about this business that
you were talking about starting,which was so incredibly flimsy?
He's like, yeah, I'll write a business plan in about a year,
but I'd like something to do in the water.
I love being in the water. So your current job?
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Yes. Like really?
Yes. OK.
And. At no point was she like,
supportive of this to be like, OK, what kind of business in the
water? Like there was no encouragement
or anything. It was just to quit your job.
Yeah, she wants to be a part of the new business venture,
whatever that turns out to be. And I thought it was also quite
hilarious the way that he said he just wants to be on the
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water. I was like, so you're going to
be a merman? What?
What exactly are you envisioningthis job on the water to be?
Except if it's not almost exactly like what you're doing
right now, but on a smaller scale.
And then he talks about needing to find investors for the
business. And I thought, oh, is this where
Chloe comes in? Is she going to bring in the
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investors, either through her own money or her mom or people
that she knows? So this will be interesting to
see. Although given that it's
probably 2 years away, it's doubtful that we'll get to
actually watch him transition from the pirate ship to what
whatever the next thing is on the water.
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I'm.
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I'm hoping that she doesn't beathim down to the point where he
quits just to appease her. I really hope that he makes the
best decision for him no matter what that turns out to be.
Because I feel like if he does quit his job and takes takes one
that he's not entirely happy with, is that transition going
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to be acceptable to him knowing that this is his opportunity or,
you know, Chloe, to not be so jealous and then to possibly be
able to settle down and actuallystart your family?
Or is there going to be a resentment?
Good old resentment. Well he did mention that before
in a previous relationship he had I think quit his job or
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changed his job for the sake of his girlfriend who didn't like
the fact that he was flirting with people much as Chloe
doesn't like. So we know that he's already
been down that route. I think it's fairly unlikely
that he would leave the job likehe did before since he's
experienced that and he did not like it, it didn't end well.
And he seems to be fairly level headed and reasonable with his
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decisions. And he seems to also learn from
his mistakes, so I have faith that he will do what's what's
best for him. I don't know, maybe she'll just
get so frustrated if he doesn't quit his job that she's just
going to leave and go back to the States.
Don't we have mom coming next week, isn't?
She. Supposed to arrive, yeah.
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One week. Yes.
Is mom going to berate him and try to convince him to quit his
job too? Are they going to gang up on
him? I hope not.
I hope Mom has more sense than that.
I. Also hope so but look at the
child that she was raised so I'mnot confident.
OK, any final thoughts for this week?
Not so much about this week though, with the preview that we
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get for next week. New couple.
Yay. She's 58, he's 3930. 9.
Yeah, I think so. Awesome 30 some young.
Yeah, and they've been together for 12 years.
I'm not math and that out, but that's OK.
Yeah, OK. I'm looking forward to meeting
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this new couple. It will be interesting to see
what their dynamic is like. And you know, because they have
been together for 12 years. Why haven't they gotten engaged
yet? Why haven't they moved in
together? What's been the delay?
Has it been there 20 some odd breakups?
That's like almost averaging 2 breakups a year.
(29:18):
I hadn't even thought of it thatway.
Yes. 12 years, 20 breakups, yes,that's a lot of conflict.
It is. Also a fair amount of
resolution, I mean, if they did continue to get back together,
but have they actually resolved anything or is it just the
complacency of getting back together?
(29:39):
I'm really I'm not sure, but I'mlooking forward to it.
Me too. I also wonder if, because there
are so many like non stories, you know, with Summit and Jenny
and Manana Anthony, are they going to cut one of the one of
the other relationships out or are we just going to see less of
them in order to make room for the new the new couple?
(30:01):
I mean, we've seen it before where they add on random couples
throughout the throughout the season.
So I don't know. I'm just I'm looking forward to
it. This is going to be fresh new
people, new situations. I hope it's good watching.
What about you? Last thoughts.
I am also very excited for the new couple.
That is all. OK good talk.
(30:24):
I'm so limited with my brain. Thoughts.
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