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Unlock the secrets of the mind as we sit down with Simeon, a leading expert in the enigmatic world of remote viewing and psychic phenomena. Our conversation kicks off with Simeon sharing his intriguing journey, illuminating the path from skepticism to fascination as he discovers hidden truths at the Farsight Institute. With remote viewing’s roots stretching back through history, even capturing governmental intrigue during the Cold War, prepare for stories that blur the line between reality and the extraordinary. For those curious about the historical depth and applications of remote viewing, the documentary "Third Eye Spies" comes highly recommended.
Wander through the early days of remote viewing research as we recount the tantalizing feats of notable figures like Yuri Geller and Ingo Swann. Geller’s psychic prowess left researchers in awe, while Swann's groundbreaking experiments with the CIA set the stage for remote viewing as a formidable tool in intelligence. We uncover astonishing tales of psychic spies, like the mind-bending accuracy of Swann and Pat Price in penetrating the NSA’s defenses from afar. As the veil lifts on the U.S. government’s secret programs, both skeptics and proponents weigh in on the legacy and ongoing mystery surrounding these psychic ventures.
The episode takes a bold step into the realm of quantum effects in remote viewing, where Simeon introduces mind-boggling concepts like the Iran home boom effect, sparking speculation about advanced technologies and national security. As we explore the trials and triumphs of harnessing psychic skills for practical applications, including financial markets and military operations, we invite listeners to ponder the profound implications on human consciousness and the nature of time. Stay tuned as we hint at continued secrecy and speculate on the untapped potential of these abilities, leaving you questioning the boundaries of the possible.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome back to a new episode of
A Better Life, new York.
You all know who I am.
I'm Steve, and today we haveDom back and we have a special
guest, simeon.
We're here to talk about atopic that we've touched upon in
some of our other podcasts,where we talked about the
assassinations and stories, andthat is remote viewing.
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Simeon is an expert for lack ofa better term.
I would say he's an expert.
He's interviewed a lot ofpeople and he's here to tell his
story.
Maybe give a little backgroundhow you got into this from the
beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, my background's in sociology, statistics and
research, so I know a little bitabout how to measure outcomes,
vec sizes and so forth.
So I came across after I gotdone with graduate and I had
been teaching while I took break, and I came across this idea of
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remote and I was partly curiousand skeptical at the same time.
So I thought I would take aclass in it, which I did at the
Farsight Institute in Georgia,just to see.
It was an eight-day class and Ifound I was completely open to
any outcome.
People were really describingpictures, distant locations in
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targets that were hidden infolders that there is no way
ahead of time that they'd knowwhat was in the subject matter
of the session.
It seemed that the resultssometimes were accurate.
In a way.
I couldn't understand how itwas working.
When you're doing science youdon't always understand the
principle, but you can see thatthere's results and it showed me
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there was something going on.
I couldn't understand how itwas working Right.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So sometimes in science if you work back home,
you get a result.
Yeah, they're trying tounderstand what just happened.
So just to get, just for myaudience, our audience, maybe
give a little bit ofunderstanding of exactly what
remote viewing is.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, so this is the idea that we have access to
information beyond our physicalsense.
We're taught in school thatinformation comes to our brain,
to our awareness, to ourconsciousness through our
physical sense, to our brain, toour awareness, to our
consciousness through ourphysical sense, and other types
of information like intuition orspontaneous thinking, not as
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well understood.
So we're taught to think ofthat as maybe psychic phenomena
and we're intrinsically trainedto be more skeptical about this
sort of information, becauseit's not.
They're critical, it's not asverified as things that are
right in front of us that we andwe can have a sense of the
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quantity and the types ofinformation that are coming just
because it's accessible to us.
But in this case, rv issomething that people have known
about thousands of years.
It comes from the years ofPatanjali in India, where
Patanjali mentioned in his bookabout this.
It was more about how to attainwhat he called enlightenment,
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but he said on this path, likepart of the art of invading
tradition from thousands ofyears ago, that you would
acquire these spectral powers,and he mentions telepathy,
precognition, all of the thingsthat we think of as psychic.
This would happen on the way toenlightenment.
We should ignore them.
It's not really what your mainfocus is, so the idea that we
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can perceive non-localinformation about people, places
been around for a long time wehad the Oracle at Delphi in the
Greek tradition.
So the idea isn't new.
But it's new to us in the Westbecause in the 60s, probably
even earlier, the federalgovernment found out that the
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Soviet Union and the Chinese hadvery strong developed programs
in using this type of psychicperception as a weapon and as
they were our adversaries at thetime, they felt that if the
Soviets had this and Chinesecommunists had this too, we
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should develop our own RVprogram to create our own
psychic spies in the UnitedStates that were associated with
CIA and Benson, which is whatthey did.
Starting, we're told it startedin the early seventies.
It might've started before that.
I've encountered Vietnam vetswho told me they were trained
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how to do RFE remote viewingback in the sixties.
I don't know who, what thesystem was or was training them.
As far as we know, officiallyprogram started in early seven,
developed for about 20, 20 andthat was with Ingo Swann.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
At Price he provides them, and that was with ingo
swan at price he pervoys him.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah, uh.
The way it started is, theyweren't even sure if this was
real.
Now the soviets believed it wasreal, there were.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So this is different than manchurian candidate, where
somebody goes in and isbrainwashed that something
alerts something to them.
This is actually perceivingsomething.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, that someone else is already perceiving.
It's perceiving something andthis is just for ordinary people
to perceive something at adistance which we've all been
taught.
Don't know how that would work,but the data showed from soviet
studies, chinese studies.
They had a lot of data.
If you look at the declassifiedCIA documents, they were highly
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concerned about our adversarieshaving as weapons Psychic gap.
Yeah, if you look at thedocuments that Russell Targ,
who's one of the peopledeveloped in our country, he got
them declassassified.
His son was a lawyer and theydeclassified them for that movie
, third eye spies, which Ihighly recommend people watch if
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you want to see one good movieabout it where he's in third eye
spies.
I don't understand.
By lance munger.
Yeah, you can find it all thestreaming services.
It goes through the history.
They got a lot of declassifieddocuments and all of of these
documents you look at it.
It all says threat to communism, communication, security,
encrypted data, really topsecret sort of stuff that you
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wouldn't want your adversariesbeing able to see at a distance
and possibly know about yourmilitary and intelligence
efforts.
Birds, the kgb, we're told, had20 different research
organizations involved in rvchina, something like five
extensively developed, plus whatwe call pk psychokinesis.
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This is steven, this is beingable to influence things at a
distance, not just receive theinformation, but literally
affect something.
These are highly developedprograms.
So, yep, they started a programand initially they got Inferm
Research Institute, now calledStanford Research International.
This is an institute that didclassified research for the
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federal government.
In Palo Alto you had Dr HalPluroff and Russell Tard, both
laser physicists, and Hal hadextensive experience working
with the US intelligenceagencies.
He'd worked for NavalIntelligence and NSA.
They had said can you tell usif this is real or not?
How real is RB, the ability ofsomeone to see something hidden
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in a folder or in a box that youcan't see?
So the first person they gotout was Uri Geller.
Many people have heard of UriGeller and he was in the US for
six weeks.
Someone had told them about him.
I think it might've been EdgarMitchell.
There were some contacts withthe Israelis and they were told
about this psychic in Israelnamed Uri Geller and they
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brought him over for six weeks.
It's in the Third Eye Spiesbook and they had him at the
time, before they inventedcoordinates or folders or
anything.
They just put things in boxes.
Then, yuri, what's in the booksand you can see in the Third
Eye Spies.
So he nails it 10 out of 10times or nine out of 10 times,
there's no question it's alittle object or an insect.
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He's getting it every.
So he was the first test ofperceiving something that's
unseen though right, it's hiddenin a box.
And this is how they started.
They didn't even know theparameters and how well it could
work if yuri was in the box.
They also had him demonstratehis pk ability.
So before ingo swann and PatPrice and other viewers that
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were more familiar, now they hadJerry Geller.
But after six weeks the USgovernment became concerned of
the security implication of thecitizen Israel.
So they sent him back.
But he did prove to Targ andPuthoff and he worked with
Lawrence a little more lab rightin there, also the area.
He showed them hey, this personcan, blindfolded, have
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something hidden.
He could describe it veryaccurately.
So that got them to say weshould look into this more and
again.
This was started from theefforts of Edgar Mitchell.
Six men to walk on the floorwho had talked about this had a
belief this was possible JimFletcher, who was the head of
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NASA at the time, and they gotsome funding together and then
they went to other psychics.
The next person they tested hadan ad in the paper, mingo Swan,
who was local.
He was a New York City artist,born in Telluride, colorado.
He had done some work with awoman named Gertrude Schmeidler
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at the City University of NewYork, cooney, and what he did at
the time they had him for thisexperiment.
He came up with this withGertrude.
He would affect these thingscalled thermistors that were
sealed in these vacuum bottles.
Vacuum sealed bottles.
Thermistor can measuretemperature changes and changes.
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He proved and they published apaper that showed that ingo with
his mind so this is pk couldaffect thermistors in the other
side of the room at will, makingthe temperature go up or down.
He saw this ad from Hal Puthoffand he sent in the paper that
he and Schweidler had publishedabout PK effect on thermistors.
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And Hal said fine, come on out,let's see what you can do.
And so the first thing we'retold that they had Ingo do was
another PK type exercise.
They said Ingo, there issomething called a cork detector
buried below the cement andthis was a device they used to
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for graduate students, highlyshielded against vibration from
planes or trucks or anything inthe room.
Very delicate, very accurate,had a sinuous.
They said, ingo, put your mindon this.
They wanted to see whathappened and I've seen the
graphs of the results.
Hal showed them to every timeIngo put his mind on this.
I think it was either a quarkdetector, magnetometer or
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something.
The sine wave stopped being asign Three times in a row
exactly and put his mind on it.
He said he could see it, but ithad an effect on the device.
It's pretty weird if you thinkabout it.
It was disturbing to thembecause this device was like
world-class accurate, shouldnever deviate, and here their
mind is making it deviate.
So that showed them.
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That was the beginning of theprogram.
They had two people, first Yuri, then Ingo, and it showed them
wow, we got two people, we gottwo experimental results.
We can see this is real andthat's got the whole program
rolling.
They realized, wow, this isreal.
We need to figure out how thisworks, train people into how to
do it.
And what was this?
This would have been in 72.
They worked for the governmentor just worked out of progress
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funded by the government or no?
They were working on a ciacontract.
This was definitely a contract.
They had a million dollars ayear or something and not a huge
amount, but it's enough to dosome basic research and they had
ingo stay out there, palo altomonths now.
Here's what the story is withIngo.
They kept doing what they haddone with Yuri.
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They said Ingo what's in thebox.
After the initial test they hadhim view things in a box
because nobody knew any otherway to do RV.
Ingo what's in the box.
And as he said, and in some ofthese documentaries, there was
another earlier one before ThirdEye, spies, called her mo by
chinch novel author researcheringo said I can put my mind on
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anything in the trivializationof my ability.
I think those are exact words.
Why don't we do something moreinteresting than just view
things box straight up becausesomeone in there was a natural
born psychic?
I just say just for thehistorical record yuri was not a
natural born psychic.
He had an encounter with an orbin his apartment complex which
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was witnessed by a neighbor overrecently and said I saw it
happen.
He was running away from whatwe call a ball of light or ball
lightning whatever, and he madecontact with him and he went
unconscious and fell down andwhen he came to he had these
hours.
Just saying how it worked, it'sanother thing to talk about for
another day.
Ingo, on the other hand, isboring this way in telluride.
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He had a couple psychicexperiences as a kid where he
just felt like he was out of hisbody, the whole universe.
Just one of these mantis.
They wonder how are we going toview something else?
So the first thing, dom, thatthey came up with him, jan
viewing things in a box which hecould do just like Yuri little
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rings or little fruits orobjects.
They had him view coordinatesof a map and they would give him
longitude and latitude and say,ingo, what's at the coordinates
?
And sometimes he would describethings that were so detailed
they couldn't see it on theirmap that they had there.
So they, according to RussellTarr, they went out to the best,
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best bookstore they could findin the area and got the biggest
map they could buy at the time.
This is four online maps RedMcMallet, yeah, and they got the
biggest.
And he was always right.
They would put this littledetail on these maps that were
right at those coordinates.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Didn't he see rings around a planet before?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, that might have been at another time.
I think that was at a laterdate because at the time they
were just working with mathcoordinates.
So the criticism came out ofone of these presentations, from
someone at the cia saying howdo you know?
He's not one of these peoplewith eidetic memory.
I can memorize everything on amap there are people like this,
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just one of these speciallygifted people that never forgets
and just simply has a measure.
Remember the entire math, allthe logic.
So they thought.
Once they did criticism, theythough how do we?
What else do we do?
So here's how the story goes.
There's two versions of it.
Jacques val has told us, andhe's like an entrepreneur
Silicon Valley entrepreneur anda well-known UFO researcher, by
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the way, Jacques Vallée.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
He's the guy I had met at Close Encounter.
He's a French.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
He's the guy that exactly he's that character.
He said that he had discussionswith Ingo, thinking maybe the
total universe is divided up,like a hard drive on our
computers, into addressablememory spaces.
If you got the rightcoordinates of the addressable
space in the universe, that'sone way it goes.
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According to Ingo, he was lyingin the pool at the apartment
they rented for him in Palo Altoand he said, on the right side
of his head, at a 45 degreeangle I'm using his word
something like this right close.
This idea came into his head.
It was a voice.
It said tricord, tricord.
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So he goes back the next day allexcited, not just longitude and
latitude, but to make up somenumbers and associate it with a
particular target.
He goes in the next day totarget and put it up and they
say that'll never work.
Institute random numbers.
How would that work?
So he said if you don't do this, I'm quitting and I'm getting
bored with this.
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And he was about to fly back toNew York and they said okay,
we'll try.
So they came up with randomnumbers and put it on top of a
picture and put it in the folder, which is the technique that we
use nowadays.
And it worked.
They didn't think it was goingto work.
So this is how they went fromdoing things in a box and things
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on an atlas to pick a pictureof anything, put it in a folder,
give it some numbers and onlytell the viewer those random
numbers.
And it worked.
And that's how the randomcoordinates.
Was it the location we'retalking?
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Go inside the structures, gounderground, describe in detail
what's there.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah, you met.
He's now passed away but, youmet Ingo.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, I did.
I was living in New York at thetime, in 2013.
And we knew that he liveddowntown and we used to play
this game to see if we couldjust intuitively locate his
apartment, because we knew hewas lower Manhattan Bowery area,
but we didn't know which streetcross street exactly.
We would go out on our bikes afriend of mine and I.
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We would go out and say, let'slike use our gut feeling, cause
I've studied RV since 96.
My gut's getting tough.
We got within a block of hisapartment.
We said somewhere around here.
Finally, a friend of mine saidlook, he's not going to be
around forever.
Here's his phone number.
I knew someone that used totalk to him.
Someone in Los Angeles Gave mehis phone number.
I called and I distinctlyremember the day he called back.
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It was over Christmas, 2013,2012, 2013.
And he said hey, I'm up for ameeting.
Why don't you come over?
Here's my address.
We arranged a meeting in I thinkit was January 2013.
I came up and he's just areally fun, interesting person
to talk to.
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I gave him a copy of openingsand we were planning to come
back for dinner.
He's someone who really likedto cook and he liked having
people come over and shoot thebreeze about these topics.
I said, ingo, how does RVreally work?
You're the master.
He said we'll talk about thatnext time you're here.
I have an article for you.
And we talked about all sortsof interesting things and then I
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left and at the time he told methat he had what's called
walking pneumonia, which is youhave it but you're not really
expressing the symptomsphysically, unfortunately.
I'm told after I was there hewent and had got a fever and it
got worse and within 48 hours hewas in the hospital of my visit
.
I'm told this later happenedand he never recovered.
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So I'm told he lostconsciousness and never came out
of it.
I did get to meet him, dom.
It was a great meeting.
He was a real fun person.
I was told he was 80.
He was a fun person.
He had decades of experiencewith Harvey and we only had one
meeting.
I had seen him at theconferences by the way B Harvey,
and we only had one meeting.
I had seen him at theconferences by the way Berva
International.
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Most of them were held in theVegas area.
He was there a few times alsoAustin, texas, 2002.
My book stand was right next toIngo's I actually got.
That's where I met him in 2002.
And this is where we I got totalk to him a little bit, but it
was fun being with them and,yeah, that was that was the last
time I saw.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Tell the story of how Pat Price was brought into the
program.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
So this is another who's.
Pat Price, yeah, and so thisHarvey program holds all these
interesting twists and turns.
It almost seems like fiction.
Except it happened.
Pat Price was a politician inBurbank, california.
He was another natural and he'dsaid while he was the police
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commissioner in Burbank thecrime rate was very low because
he would send slot cars out thatwere crimes were committed.
He just had an intuitive senseand they would have.
These people are prevented fromhaving it.
It probably happened all thetime that people got used to it
didn't give it a second thought.
So he had already had a goodtrack record contacts, argon and
Plotoff, and they test him andhe just knocks it out of the
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park every session.
I was told by someone in theDIA program that whatever path
you take it to the bank, herarely missed and his stuff was
highly detailed.
And so here's one thing thatthey did with swan and price to
prove to the us government thatthis could work.
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They had the view initially.
They called someone over at thecia and they said can you just
give us some?
It was Kit Greene, by the way,who was the guy in charge of the
strange deaths, cia in theearly 70s, medical doctor.
But the CIA taps on all sorts ofphenomena.
A lot of what they do is opensource.
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They read articles, buy stuff.
They're just absorbinginformation.
This is before internet.
Buy stuff, they're justabsorbing information.
This is before internet's.
They're cutting out articles.
So shit, cory, as the storygoes, just went to guy in the
next office and you just give melike a location.
I need a location and I'll tellyou what.
The guy chose his summer cabinin west virginia.
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They have swan and price viewit and neither of them view a
cabin.
They get this really extensivefacility a lot of computers,
satellite, issues, code by coldfile folders.
The code names all related tothe game of wolf, like cue ball,
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and rack them up and name thisstuff.
Name plates on people, yeah,stuff like this.
And they don't know what it is.
And they come call back Kit andthey say we got this.
And Kit said no, that's notquite what the target is.
It doesn't make sense to me.
And Russell said to them toobad, Because the other guy got
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the same thing.
That is what other guy?
Because we have this new viewernamed Pat Price they know about
Ingo and the other guy got it.
So he went back, he looked on amap I think he both got the
same thing, this extensive.
And he looked right over thehill from this vacation.
And what happened was the NSASugar Grove facility which was
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designed to listen to Sovietsatellites.
One particular satellite, we'retold, which was designed to
listen to Soviet satellites.
One particular satellite, we'retold, that came over at a
particular time every day andget as much information from it
as they could because it wastransmitting back to Moscow.
And when they looked at whatPrice and Swann had written down
, they were really disturbed.
They had written down codenames, file folders, locked and
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secure vaults.
Talk about vertical informationhere.
This is stuff you couldn't makeup.
In fact, the government was soconcerned they contacted the
National Security Administrationand sent out secret service
agents or some marshals, toarrest them in Palo Alto for
trespassing on governmentproperty.
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So they knew this was going tohappen because these guys were
that good, they already hadproof, they had never left the
state of California and itproved to the intelligence
establishment that this could bethat accurate, Literally
reading we're talking aboutreading words off of desks.
Think about the implications ofthat in what the security
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establishments thought forcompletely secure facilities.
And here people are penetratingit with their psychic abilities
.
So that's why they got theremainder of the funding.
It kept going for over a decadeand a half after that, because
they proved, wow, not only canthey just be in something like
Ingo location, they can actuallywords and yeah.
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So that is one of those storiesthat they, and after that they
started really looking atspecific military target.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
After that was it just initially a military
program, like you learned fromCourtney Brown right.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, I learned from Courtney Brown and later Lind
Buchanan, who was also someCivilians, or both military.
Courtney was a politicalscience professor who had taken,
of course, going back to thehistory of this it declassified
in 1905.
Her hearings in Congress.
They have Ray Hyman, who's askeptic, and Jessica Otts, who's
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a neutral statistician, head ofthe American Statistical
Association, and they have themevaluated.
And then there's a show on TedKoppel.
They had Robert Gates come overwho was director of the CIA at
the time, I believe, and Ed May,who ran the program after
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Targum put off, I believe from85 till 95, told his bosses the
program had been moved to SEICby another government contractor
, frums.
And I have talked to Ed May.
He would come to some of theseconferences and he said they
told him you can't go to thatcouple show, we don't want to be
publicly associated with RV.
There was a lot of skepticismabout it in Congress.
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You know cuts of budgets, x, x,some people who are associated
with the program.
Ed May said I don't care, I'mgoing and saying the other side
because it works and I was therewhen it worked and I'm going to
talk about how all thesuccesses Gates talked about all
the failures Gate may want andhe went anyway.
They said he was going to fireanyway and they fired him, but
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he said it was important to tellthe public.
So it's declassified, and manyfight in the protocols were
never classified, Just theparticular projects, even some
of them to this day.
I'd asked about some of thethings that they viewed and I
was told they still can't talkabout some of these human crimes
.
You can imagine what themilitary industrial intelligence
agencies use.
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Something like this.
Actual information will beclassified.
So then the people that wereinvolved in the program started
teaching it.
One of them was ed daves, whohad been involved with the
program.
Yeah, he worked at fort mead,though it had been transferred
to the program.
Yeah, he worked at Fort Meade,though it had been transferred
to TIA by that at Fort Meade,and he was like coordinator for
the program.
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There were other people thatwere trained just to be viewers,
but Ed knew enough from theprogram to teach it and some
people learned from him.
And then other people from theprogram, like Lynn Buchanan,
began teaching it.
So Courtney had learned from Edand then I studied at Farsight.
I was a teacher there and Ialso wanted to see, here's one
protocol.
Is this the main protocol orwere there variations?
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If you learn it just from oneperson, you might just get the
way they did it, and I learnedthat there were other variations
and that's what I learned fromworking with Courtney and Ed.
So I had a couple of teachersand teachers, and now all of
these people who have beeninvolved in the program most of
them have come forward that weknow about.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
How many viewers would you say that the
government was using in the 70sand 80s?
It?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
seemed to be, from my experience, maybe 15 to 20.
There were different peopletrained at different times
People like David Morehouse.
There was someone named PaulSmith.
All these people have their owncourses in it and audit and
other viewers.
Some of them I think some ofthem came forward later on
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didn't know about initiallybecause they were still active
duty.
They've retired since then.
So they've come to theconferences and then we're told
there's still some.
Dale Grapp is another personthat was a viewer that later
went to run.
He worked for foreigntechnology Patterson and they
were responsible for developingthe stealth aircraft and Dale
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and I talked to him extensively,developed the technology to
make the stealth aircraftinvisible to Soviet radar, other
radar systems and combiningsignal with knowing certain ways
to make it seem really small.
He went around that he wasactually a viewer.
Now this is an interestingproject he was involved with.
You may have heard of this.
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In the late 70s, under thecarter administration, there was
a libyan pilot that defectedwith a Soviet bomber and ditched
the plane over what's nowcalled Democratic Republic of
the Congo I think it was calledZaire, maybe that's the name it
is now and they couldn't see thepoint.
They wanted the plane.
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The US military organizationwanted to get the electronics.
It was like a Badger bomber orsomething like that.
They wanted that electronicsback.
They couldn't see it because itwas like a badger bomber or
something like that.
They wanted that electronicsback.
They couldn't see it because itwas buried below a rainforest.
It's a huge rainforest even tothis day.
So they you know desperation.
Someone said why don't we trytheir well viewers?
So they had one viewer, a womanI don't know her name, over at
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sri look at it.
And dale graph was anotherviewer.
I think this is publicknowledge.
Now, over at Reg, pat Carter'sactually talked about it.
Carter's talked about it.
They didn't mention the names,but I know the inside of this.
So the woman gets.
Dale got something like it'snext to a red stream, which
would suggest iron rich stream,and I think the woman got the
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location and the queue.
I asked dale what were you toldahead of time?
How much information are yougetting right?
Dale said he was given plane,went down somewhere in africa.
That's it.
Africa is a big place and theysend in the delta force team
where the location is andthey're looking for a red stream
.
Find the play.
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They find the plane adam, and socarter didn't that native help
them running with a piece of anaircraft from a distance and I
told them what's the help.
Yeah, and they're right on it.
Based on these rv results andcarter awards a medal of honor
to the program, to dale inparticular.
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Now, according to the storythat dale told me, his because
this remote view program isorganized as a special access
program, which means it'shorizontally organized, not
vertically.
People can know about it indifferent branches in the
military, he tells they don'ttell their commanders how to
bring what else you need to know.
according to dale, his bosseswere ticked off at him at
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Wright-Patt that he's involvedin a special access program.
That's his ego and they didn'tknow.
They're Wright-Patterson andthey should know everything.
They don't know about thisbecause it's a special access
program.
So he.
That's the way it looks.
So they're ticked off at himand they don't let him go to
Washington to get the medal.
Broke Carter, imagine that theyblock him because he can't
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leave.
I think he ends up gettingfired over this.
But it turned into a good thingbecause he gets selected to run
the program for a while and hedeveloped another protocol,
which is using dream time toview things, having a target set
up while you're sleeping, andthen write it down as you.
He's written some books.
One of them is called Trax.
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It's a very good book aboutthat.
So there are different peopleinvolved at different times and
they some of them go on to teachthis and it starts, and so I
learned it in 96, a year afterit's declassified.
A lot of it, as I said, wasdeclassified, but some of those
programs, to this day you won't,you still can't find out what
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they were actually looking at.
It's still considered sensitive.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
If you had to guess, would you think that some parts
of the government are stillusing viewers for special issues
?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, I'm told.
So this question comes up inall the conferences and the
people who were involved in itdon't know anymore if that's
true because, again, specialaccess programs need to know.
But you would think, given thatthis is very inexpensive to do,
I'm taking my classes.
I had a class in New York Cityin 2009.
Don was there.
You can see, it's veryinexpensive.
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You get a target, you teachsome of the protocols.
They don't need much If you canhave satellites or human
intelligence, or it's not a lotof people too, so you can keep
it quiet, not a lot of people,and you can get a lot of
information and you don't havemuch to lose.
And then you can verify it with10, if my person's on target,
maybe if the rest of the sessionlooks accurate.
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Maybe the other stuff they'regetting that you can't confirm
is also accurate.
You would think it's stillbeing used Now.
I'm told that the name of whatit's called now the name's been
changed from remote to psionics.
We are told this becausethere's been a lot of
information coming forth aboutthe UFO programs, and we'll talk
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about that in other times.
Ufo programs and we'll talkabout that in other times.
Sap, atib, people like LouElizondo who have been coming
forward recently.
I've met some people.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
It's certainly been in the news, this deep state
thing we're not going to tellyou a lot of stuff about it all
of a sudden, yeah, and there wasthat New York Times article in
2017.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
So here's how RV comes into this.
There was a program proposedafter OSAP Advanced Weapons
Systems Application Program.
They give these really esotericacronyms to hide the true
nature of these.
Before OSAP, there wassomething all the advanced
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theoretical physics group, abook run by John Alexander, a
guy out of the army who workedin Los Alamos.
They do this deliberately so itdoesn't sound like anything to
do with UFOs and plausibledeniability and no one knows
what to look for.
When you're doing a request forfreedom of information, you
have to use words to look for.
If you don't know what thewords are, they can change the
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names of these things.
They don't call them UFOs.
They call them, as the AirForce does now, unmanned aerial
systems or unidentified air.
They give them these acronymsso that public doing the FOIA
request don't even know what tolook for.
And, by the way, they haveanother way even to hide it
further is just to give thestuff to aerospace tech
companies that are not evensubject FOIA.
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But there was a program afterOSAP you might have heard about
this called Kona Blue.
It was a leak recently of allthis information that's coming
forward.
Congressional committee createdthis told the Pentagon to start
reporting to them.
They had the task force andthen called out Arrow, which
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AERIS aeronautics somethingresearch.
They're supposed to report backto Congress.
One of the things they pickedup on was something called
that's the code name for thisspecial access program and if
you look at these documents,they were going to recreate a
remote viewing program.
To use this viewing now calledpsionics to see if they could
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get information about what's nowcalled unidentified areas.
It's been sanitized, they don'tcall it UFOs anymore, they call
them UAPB.
They want to look intosomething like that Exactly, see
if we can get to know.
Kona Blue was not funded, butisn't it interesting?
Here we are in 2012, just about12 years ago, 13 years ago
where the state proposes a bigbudget UFO research program.
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I still like UFOs.
They propose this big scale.
This is after Skinwalker Ranch.
It's another topic for anotherday.
They proposed this program andone of the.
If you look at the time,Strange thing Skinwalker Ranch.
Strange thing, but they somebodywanted to keep it going, steve,
because there's a whole budgetproposal called Kona Blue and it
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includes a remote viewing unit.
This came from Senators Ittawayand Ted Stevens and Harry Reid
from Nevada.
Stevens had this site.
That's what got OSAP going.
But here are some proposals.
It's extensive, multi-pagedocument with obviously
satellites and sensor systems,but remote viewers.
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It's proposed then to use it.
Did they answer your question,dom, a few minutes ago?
I don't know if they're stillusing it.
I wouldn't doubt that theystopped because, again, it's not
that expensive to do.
You have nothing to.
Let me just say one thingimportant about RFE.
If the people already work foryou, what's the difference?
What's the difference?
They're already working for youand this doesn't cost as much
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as a satellite launch and youcould get as they did with plane
that carter, they recovered thebackfire bomber, badger bomber,
whatever it is electronicsbased, surely on two viewers,
and I can verify that.
I've talked to dale graph andobviously carter talked about it
.
That was one of the thingscarter talked about it.
Apparently he was holdingfolder with the name of the
program during this pressconference or something, and
they saw Grill Flame on thefolder.
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It was a special access program.
They changed it to Stargator,stargate, to Grill, flame other
than other names.
But this program I guess the onething about RV that's very
important it's useful in contextof other types of more
traditional informationsatellites, people, news, all
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that stuff.
If you just do it on its own itcan be accurate.
But you don't know, you don'thave any way to verify it, and
Ingo had said he only didverifiable targets.
He would have his own.
He would do something like wasit Jupiter looking for rain?
Bring us around Jupiter.
And they had.
So this is one example of howthey used it.
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Once that program got developed, they would give people targets
like oh, we know Voyager'saudit.
So I remember the Voyagerlaunches it's a big deal with.
Dom and I were in high school,we're both from the Serum, which
I was more out here.
Wow, it was exciting.
They have a 7G up, this probegoing out to the solar system
and it's going past quarks andsome mules there, yeah, and on
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its way it's taking pictures ofall these planets.
So one of the stops was Jupiter.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Right, it's using the gravitational pulse to slink
down.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, they use really smart it in different
directions.
It's legit.
Yeah, so the Ingo says.
They said the Ingo, what iswhat's the way you're going to
find on Jupiter where they getout there?
And he said it's got ringsDrawing.
These rings, remember, can beused for small scale things like
what's in the folder and what'saround Jupiter.
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And he sees ring at the time.
Everyone they laugh at him.
Come on, we know that Jupiter,jupiter has rings.
When Voyager gets there, theyfind some faint rings.
So that's again showing, wow,you got someone that's good at
this.
And they think I've gotexamples in here of just what
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ordinary people can do, justfrom a class like Dom to that IT
, what ordinary people can dojust from a class like Dom to
that IT.
You can see there's the targetrace car and the person draws
race car Just for the audienceto look at, or a rocket ship.
They draw a rocket ship.
This is hold up your books.
They don't have any information.
This is my bug opening mics.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Opening mics.
People can't get on Amazon.
I'm going to get work from me.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
We'll give out my website.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Indiana.
This is, yeah, Opening minds, ajourney of extraordinary
calories.
Crops are both rested and it'sgot a couple of chapters of my
experience with RV.
But you look at, take a look atthis.
We know what this is.
Washington mining Right andthey draw the Washington of no
doubt that they makes RV content.
Even beginners can do stufflike that.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Question has there ever been an analysis as to time
and its impact on remoteviewing in terms of verifiable
events past, present and future?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
There have been targets done in the past.
There are targets done in thefuture.
Yeah, and it seems to beaccurate, just not in
present-day target.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
but other time periods and success rate is
pretty equal throughout all ofthat.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
When you're dealing with the future, you're dealing
with probabilities.
The future is not laid in stone.
That's my belief, based on theviewing data.
There's different branches fromany future.
There's probability, but theway this has proved it's true is
something called ARV AssociatedRemote Viewing where you binary
outcomes up and down, stockmarket up and down, commodities
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up and down and people that havedone this have shown that you
can do this and successfullyhave a higher hit rate than 50%.
But you've got to surely guessRight.
And even the best algorithmsfrom Wall Street and places that
do this professionally are notmuch higher than 55% or
something like that, which isstill going to have a win rate
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over a long period of time.
But we're talking over yearsand years.
But the remote viewers wereable to get 65%, which, if
you're betting over a long time,you're going to make money.
One guy Targ and Plotoff bothhad their own groups.
They've talked about this.
Russell's hardshoop was calledthe Spook Group.
They had an investor and I'vespoken to people that were in
this and they would.
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These were graduate students,so they were not allowed to be
paid for this, but they wouldview for this guy and he would
invest silver futures, up ordown for it, and they made a lot
of money for him.
I'm told it worked until hecame in one day with his gold
chains driving his expensivesports car.
Then they started beinggraduates.
He said to them guys, this isworking so well for me, do it
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twice a week instead of once aweek because you're making so
much money for me.
Apparently it never worked.
The gift because they resentedit, because they were not
allowed to be paid.
Like basketball players on acollege they can't pay.
But Hal Puthoff used thisapparently to raise money for a
local Waldorf school and he wasworking with a dentist or
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something like this, and theyput their money into it and they
made enough to build school.
But I'm told this takes a lot ofwork.
It's not like a magic trick.
You just pick.
You got to have basically doingup and down target.
I'll ask you what are you goingto be shown on Friday?
Up target, down target.
That takes some coordination.
So a guy comes along recently,greg Kolodzic, who's a long
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distance athlete, marathonrunner calendar on rudder
calendar stream sport.
It is up his up without anygroup, solo and he's presented
to us and you can see his siteis remote, dash v?
Um.
He created a very simpleprotocol, even without
coordinates or anything, youjust site, target up, target
down.
Make some contrast.
Ask yourself, am I going toshow myself on friday afternoon?
Or down target?
You do a little.
And he was able to get 65, even70% rate over 13 years, 5,200
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trials and he told us there'sbetter ways to make money.
Like, whatever you do, if youspent that much time you'd make
more money than you know.
You're going to have somemisses, but he did prove 65%
over 13 years.
This is a pretty good successrate.
Also, they did this inengineering down the list of
researchers.
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The various people down therehave tried this just for future
prediction and we're talkinglike a week ahead and I think to
me as a former statistician,they show this.
Something's going on here whereyou're actually seeing the
future.
Let me tell you another type ofexperiment.
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It's called prescientious.
They called it.
They would show you a picture.
It could either be reallyneutral or it could be graphic,
shocking or something like thatwas emotional content.
They would measure the galvanicskin response and they found
that, ahead of the shockingtypes of targets which had some
violence or sexual content orsomething like that.
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They would get a response onthe galvanic skin response Meet
about a couple of millisecondsbefore the computer showed you
target, and they did this overand over guy.
Guy named daryl bem did this atcornell, and dean raid, who
worked for ions, did this out inlas vegas and they've
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reproduced as many times.
Is that some part of you seemsto react before you're showing
the picture?
Even before the computer ischosen, a picture is one
completely bland, whether,having emotional content, you
would react more to the oneswhich shows.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
They called it presenting so in the experiment
the sequence was not set, it wasrandom from the computer's view
as well.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
But you would react ahead of time and that would
show and it makes sense from anevolutionary perspective, that
of the branching timelines thatcome out of the present you're
reacting to it ahead of time.
There's a party that knows itbefore your eyes see it, even if
it's just a computer.
That's another type ofshort-term future ARV Associated
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Remote Viewing.
Go out to a week or two ahead.
You would beat the odds 50-50,.
You'd get more closer to 60-60.
Pre-sentience showed that wehave an immediate reaction
before something happens.
So those are two types ofevidence that humans have the
ability to sense the future.
And again, our viewers wouldhave it.
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Again, it defies what you and Iwere brought up to believe in
school, that there's some sortof sense, beyond physical senses
, of knowing what's going on inthe future in the presence of.
So yeah, I would say there'sdata, the future.
Again, none of this is 100 andeven though pat Price might have
(45:43):
been the most accurate viewer,most viewers occasionally miss a
target.
Even Joe McModicle, who was avery highly accomplished
reviewer, came out of the Army.
I teach this today at theMonroe Institute, virginia.
He has said this is half histargets, but the other half are
really accurate and there's manycases where he military, soviet
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military, target streamaccuracy.
One case he's known for hisviewmate.
He had this huge shipyard a bitromanced or something or
they're Russia.
They wanted to know what was init and he said viewed it.
It's the largest submarine everbuilt and it's different than
other submarines because themissiles are ahead of the Connie
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town.
Normally on subs, the missilesI think, holy, yeah, he comes up
at this.
They say it can't be true,there aren't any subs.
Connie town was behind them andthey thought it was an aircraft
carrier.
They come where it rolls out tothe North Sea on one of these
long tracks and it's a hugesubmarine, the biggest that the
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world's ever seen.
And then they said you werelucky, you just got lucky gas
right.
Yeah, he did view it, hedescribed it.
Their case is where it's reallyaccurate and I would imagine
going back to your questionabout 20 minutes ago.
I would would imagine goingback to your question about 20
minutes ago.
I haven't imagined they stilluse anything specific you think
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are going on right now orthere's obviously a lot going on
in the world as we're recordingthis and I don't know of any
specifics, but I'm told it'sbeen privatized and again, this
is what happens.
Advanced technology is the?
U government farms it out tobring rations.
I am told this happensRecovered UFO crash materials
from people that have worked inthese programs.
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Some of them don't wantanything, though I haven't said
who they are.
I've talked to various highlyaccomplished engineers at
conferences in other locationswhere I speak and they've come
up to me afterwards and saidthat this is all privatized and
this could be what happens withFortune 500 companies and
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various aerospace companies.
Now our own senator from NewYork, chuck Schumer, attempted
to pass the Schumer-Rouds billin the NDMA last year.
That's the National DefenseAuthorization Act that Congress
passes every year to fundPentagon, and they stripped it
out at the last moment.
But this bill?
Schumer must know something andI've asked people how did Chuck
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Schumer get involved with this?
An East Coast senator, howwould he get involved with this?
How did Chuck Schumer getinvolved with this?
An East Coast senator?
How would he get involved withit?
He was obviously friends withHarry Reid, who was a big
proponent of this coming forward.
He proposed that anything thatwas given to the defense
contract was now property of theUS government under eminent
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domain and would have to beturned over back to the federal
government within 100 days ofthe passage of the Schumer
Rounds Act.
Yeah, that's kind of quickdeath.
Kind of quick death.
And there's a reason.
The people who opposed it inthe Senate were those senators
that have big aerospacecompanies in their district and
they don't want to give thisstuff up because they can
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develop sociology out of thisand there's debate about whether
it should be subject to eminentdomain or not.
These companies put a lot ofresources into figuring out how
it could work with resources.
The money probably came from thegovernment anyway the money
came from the government anyway,and that's the schumer argument
is this came from thegovernment.
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The resources, the benefitsshould go back to the public.
There's a lot of debate Whetheryou think this should be open
to eminent domain.
But I'm just mentioning thisexample because if RV was being
used, I don't think we wouldknow about it because it would
be in other black budgetprograms that, just like these
UFO craft retrieval program.
Now our listeners, viewers, maysay Sim, is that for real?
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I'm convinced it's for real,having talked to all the people
I've talked to and they'vedescribed what this material
looks like under electronmicroscope.
Super dense technology that wecan't even come close to with
our current level of scientificdevelopment.
We have of developingtechnology that is engineered on
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the atomic scale, atom by atom,to act like wave guides,
interact, brought them back.
This topic of gravidics has comeup recently these so-called
drones that have happened overthe tri-state area and various
bases around the US and otherparts.
Big discussion whether thisgravitic technology exists.
According to the engineers I'vetalked to, they can't figure
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out how this crash materialworks.
None of them I've talked tohave ever said any of these
aerospace stuff and figured itout.
I'm told it comes down fromNASA to JPL Hope I'm not giving
too many secrets here To JPL, toaerospace stuff, and they've
said guys figure out how itworks.
There's a black budget side toNASA which a lot of people are
surprised, but they do work forthe defense, we know satellites
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are launched.
There you go and there's a spaceprogram, a space program and
there's secret launch facilitieswhich I probably shouldn't talk
about too much, but they existin there.
So it wouldn't be surprising,dom, that any advanced
technology like this that hasimportant ramifications for
national security would bedeveloped by aerospace companies
(51:16):
, including viewing skills.
Now they've developed Ed May.
I mentioned to him beforesomeone that ran an SRI that ran
the viewing program and Ed Maysays he was the longest running
direct program.
You ran it longer you go intoSAIC.
You ran it longer than evenArgon put off in the early days.
He said you could put it on achip, you could develop a remote
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chip Because he believes theyfigured out what the physical is
.
Shit because he believes theyfigured out what the physical is
.
Some people think it's somethingcalled the iran home boom
effect, which is a quantumeffect proposed 50s where
particles can interact at adistance with other fields that
don't even radiate out.
It could be completely sealed,but there's communication going
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on.
The evidence that supports thatidea is how Puthoff, after
leaving SRI, created his owncompany and patents for
long-distance communication, theABFA, what's called vector
potential, not ordinaryelectromagnetic fields like
we're used to, potential fieldsthat are in the numbers,
imaginary numbers of quantumequations.
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But the fact is real.
It's shown by Konemura in Japanin 1986.
I forget which company he workedat the time.
They proved that thisAronhuk-Bomb effect, which sort
of seemed like a spooky quantumeffect things in Dracula at a
distance, they proved it wasreal.
So some of us think maybe theAV effect is what we're doing
(52:44):
when we do our in.
Now you have to admit, steve,it'd be cool if we identified
the scientific principle.
The Russians felt like they hadactually developed this enough
to create a chip, according toEd May, and the last time he
presented he said he was workingwith Russian companies or
something to develop RV chip,which would suggest it's
physical.
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I'm not sure, given ourrelations with Russia now, if
they've been still working withthem that would be considered
some sort of security risk tohelp them develop this
technology.
As we're recording this, now.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
So what you're saying is it's not just you, but
matters interacting with othermatter, and it's being almost
it's been communicated tosomething that can record what's
on the other end of that matter.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yes, that's what.
Ed may claim Exactly, there's aphysical effect and a chip could
do it just like a human brain.
I'm not sure if this is true,but this is what he told us and
if it was going on here thatwould be definitely classified.
I would consider that to havenational security.
They were concerned what PatPrice could view the Sugar Grove
(53:53):
NSA facility.
When they asked the Pat Price,how did you do this?
He said I just smushed my headinto the safe in his imagination
, walking down the halls of thisSugar Rose, and he moved into
these spaces and looked with hiseyes.
What was there.
Can you imagine?
It's accurate.
It seems like science fiction.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
But it's true, but it seems like the government would
take people like that, throwthem in jail so they couldn't
talk to anybody else.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
Pat Price had an early death.
We'll say this, and there's alot of speculation.
He was working for theintelligence agencies.
We were told he was viewingSoviet targets every day, or
let's say, intelligenceorganizations.
We don't know exactly whathappened to him.
There is a feeling going onwith your previous interview
(54:40):
with Dobb, that he wasassassinated by the KGB, and
Russians who've shown up atthese IRPA conferences have said
when we're talking in a groupafterwards, they're sure that's
what happened to him because theKGB boasted about it.
But there's disinformation thatcomes out of former Soviet
Union Russia.
You can't be sure.
He didn't live a healthy dieteither.
He didn't eat a healthy diet.
(55:01):
He had had heart problems.
However, we're told there'ssome weird things that happened.
His casket was already sealed.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
Didn't somebody see him like a couple of years
afterwards there?
Speaker 2 (55:12):
was some feeling that he was seen in a supermarket in
.
Virginia or somewhere by someonein DC.
I swore it was him, so we don'ttotally know.
Yeah, Steve, I would think theanswers to these questions is I
don't know and nobody knows.
Just because I'm suggesting it,it would have a very high level
of classification and, as youboth know and our viewers know,
(55:35):
if you're involved with theseaerospace companies and you're
involved in national securityand secrets, there are very high
penalties for breaking anydisclosure.
People I talked to recently whoknew about UFO crash patrol and
we'll talk about that at anothertime told me the consequences
of talking about what they sawto me would be so severe.
(55:59):
This person literally told methey would be financially ruined
by the federal government foreven mentioning anything beyond
the fact that these programsexist, but no specific.
Now you've heard people likeTesla Biden in front of Congress
recently House OversightIntelligence Committee, David
Krush, Lalo Zondo, others saidyou hear these Congress people
(56:20):
say what did you see?
They say I just literally can'ttalk about it.
We have to go into closed thissetting skiff and cure
compartmentalized information.
You've seen people publicly saythat because they've signed
these NDAs that are very severe,of ever talking about it.
This is treason, Treason.
And when you're dealing withtreason, on very highly
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sophisticated ways.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
That means you've given up your freedom.
It's automatic.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
They don't even have to be tried.
This is the speculation.
Maybe they could receive thedeath penalty for talking to us.
So they're not going to talk.
They're not going to talk,You'll be home.
Here's the issue with that.
We don't know and we don't evenknow.
Don the answer to your question.
Are they still using it?
We don't know.
For example, I would justassume they are, but if they are
, no one's talking about itbecause it's totally wrong, I
(57:09):
think that's maybe a place toleave it right there and say, oh
great, Start talking about thisremote viewing as things go on.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Also good to other things you want to talk about
from the past.
That may work their way into itGood.
That may work their way into itGood.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Very good.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Was there anything else you want Give your website?
Yeah, so I've been teaching itever since.
I have classes people can do ifthey just want to do it
anonymously at their own pace,and I have these classes
occasionally.
One thing we started I startedthis line to do is a monthly
where we have people at anylevel and we do a target every
(57:46):
month and that's on Sundaynights.
If people ever want once amonth, the moment people want to
join that group pencil training, feel free to contact me.
So my website, dot.
Thanks for asking it's.
My blog is newcrystalmindcom.
Newcrystalmind.
That's just where I postinterviews and videos and
interesting information.
But my website for viewing Ijust called it Virtual Viewing
(58:10):
Go to Virtual Viewing dot.
Virtual viewing dot org.
You can just see what'savailable so people can train on
their own or they can trainwith me in classes sometimes or
just once a month.
Join up.
There's other books.
You can read about it.
My book Opening Minds is justone of many books that have
talked about the history of thisand again I mentioned Getting
(58:30):
Through.
Dice Bites is a great place.
You can watch that right now.
It's a great introduction tothe whole subject.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
Thank you so much for coming.
It's nice to have all Thanks alot, dave, interesting.
Thanks for watching.
I'm sure I'm going to get a lotof questions about it.
I probably have a bunch myself,but thank you and I thank
everybody for watching andlistening.
If you're listening to us onaudio, on podcast, please
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subscribe and all those thingspeople say.
And if you have any questions,there's a link on the audio
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.
I thank you all for listening.
I thank you guys for being here, and everyone have a good day.
Hello everyone and welcome back to a new episode of
A Better Life, new York.
You all know who I am.
I'm Steve, and today we haveDom back and we have a special
guest, simeon.
We're here to talk about atopic that we've touched upon in
some of our other podcasts,where we talked about the
assassinations and stories, andthat is remote viewing.
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Simeon is an expert for lack ofa better term.
I would say he's an expert.
He's interviewed a lot ofpeople and he's here to tell his
story.
Maybe give a little backgroundhow you got into this from the
beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, my background's in sociology, statistics and
research, so I know a little bitabout how to measure outcomes,
vec sizes and so forth.
So I came across after I gotdone with graduate and I had
been teaching while I took break, and I came across this idea of
(00:56):
remote and I was partly curiousand skeptical at the same time.
So I thought I would take aclass in it, which I did at the
Farsight Institute in Georgia,just to see.
It was an eight-day class and Ifound I was completely open to
any outcome.
People were really describingpictures, distant locations in
(01:29):
targets that were hidden infolders that there is no way
ahead of time that they'd knowwhat was in the subject matter
of the session.
It seemed that the resultssometimes were accurate.
In a way.
I couldn't understand how itwas working.
When you're doing science youdon't always understand the
principle, but you can see thatthere's results and it showed me
(01:52):
there was something going on.
I couldn't understand how itwas working Right.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So sometimes in science if you work back home,
you get a result.
Yeah, they're trying tounderstand what just happened.
So just to get, just for myaudience, our audience, maybe
give a little bit ofunderstanding of exactly what
remote viewing is.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, so this is the idea that we have access to
information beyond our physicalsense.
We're taught in school thatinformation comes to our brain,
to our awareness, to ourconsciousness through our
physical sense, to our brain, toour awareness, to our
consciousness through ourphysical sense, and other types
of information like intuition orspontaneous thinking, not as
(02:33):
well understood.
So we're taught to think ofthat as maybe psychic phenomena
and we're intrinsically trainedto be more skeptical about this
sort of information, becauseit's not.
They're critical, it's not asverified as things that are
right in front of us that we andwe can have a sense of the
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quantity and the types ofinformation that are coming just
because it's accessible to us.
But in this case, rv issomething that people have known
about thousands of years.
It comes from the years ofPatanjali in India, where
Patanjali mentioned in his bookabout this.
It was more about how to attainwhat he called enlightenment,
(03:19):
but he said on this path, likepart of the art of invading
tradition from thousands ofyears ago, that you would
acquire these spectral powers,and he mentions telepathy,
precognition, all of the thingsthat we think of as psychic.
This would happen on the way toenlightenment.
We should ignore them.
It's not really what your mainfocus is, so the idea that we
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can perceive non-localinformation about people, places
been around for a long time wehad the Oracle at Delphi in the
Greek tradition.
So the idea isn't new.
But it's new to us in the Westbecause in the 60s, probably
even earlier, the federalgovernment found out that the
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Soviet Union and the Chinese hadvery strong developed programs
in using this type of psychicperception as a weapon and as
they were our adversaries at thetime, they felt that if the
Soviets had this and Chinesecommunists had this too, we
(04:23):
should develop our own RVprogram to create our own
psychic spies in the UnitedStates that were associated with
CIA and Benson, which is whatthey did.
Starting, we're told it startedin the early seventies.
It might've started before that.
I've encountered Vietnam vetswho told me they were trained
(04:44):
how to do RFE remote viewingback in the sixties.
I don't know who, what thesystem was or was training them.
As far as we know, officiallyprogram started in early seven,
developed for about 20, 20 andthat was with Ingo Swann.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
At Price he provides them, and that was with ingo
swan at price he pervoys him.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah, uh.
The way it started is, theyweren't even sure if this was
real.
Now the soviets believed it wasreal, there were.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So this is different than manchurian candidate, where
somebody goes in and isbrainwashed that something
alerts something to them.
This is actually perceivingsomething.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, that someone else is already perceiving.
It's perceiving something andthis is just for ordinary people
to perceive something at adistance which we've all been
taught.
Don't know how that would work,but the data showed from soviet
studies, chinese studies.
They had a lot of data.
If you look at the declassifiedCIA documents, they were highly
(05:49):
concerned about our adversarieshaving as weapons Psychic gap.
Yeah, if you look at thedocuments that Russell Targ,
who's one of the peopledeveloped in our country, he got
them declassassified.
His son was a lawyer and theydeclassified them for that movie
, third eye spies, which Ihighly recommend people watch if
(06:10):
you want to see one good movieabout it where he's in third eye
spies.
I don't understand.
By lance munger.
Yeah, you can find it all thestreaming services.
It goes through the history.
They got a lot of declassifieddocuments and all of of these
documents you look at it.
It all says threat to communism, communication, security,
encrypted data, really topsecret sort of stuff that you
(06:31):
wouldn't want your adversariesbeing able to see at a distance
and possibly know about yourmilitary and intelligence
efforts.
Birds, the kgb, we're told, had20 different research
organizations involved in rvchina, something like five
extensively developed, plus whatwe call pk psychokinesis.
(06:53):
This is steven, this is beingable to influence things at a
distance, not just receive theinformation, but literally
affect something.
These are highly developedprograms.
So, yep, they started a programand initially they got Inferm
Research Institute, now calledStanford Research International.
This is an institute that didclassified research for the
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federal government.
In Palo Alto you had Dr HalPluroff and Russell Tard, both
laser physicists, and Hal hadextensive experience working
with the US intelligenceagencies.
He'd worked for NavalIntelligence and NSA.
They had said can you tell usif this is real or not?
How real is RB, the ability ofsomeone to see something hidden
(07:38):
in a folder or in a box that youcan't see?
So the first person they gotout was Uri Geller.
Many people have heard of UriGeller and he was in the US for
six weeks.
Someone had told them about him.
I think it might've been EdgarMitchell.
There were some contacts withthe Israelis and they were told
about this psychic in Israelnamed Uri Geller and they
(08:02):
brought him over for six weeks.
It's in the Third Eye Spiesbook and they had him at the
time, before they inventedcoordinates or folders or
anything.
They just put things in boxes.
Then, yuri, what's in the booksand you can see in the Third
Eye Spies.
So he nails it 10 out of 10times or nine out of 10 times,
there's no question it's alittle object or an insect.
(08:23):
He's getting it every.
So he was the first test ofperceiving something that's
unseen though right, it's hiddenin a box.
And this is how they started.
They didn't even know theparameters and how well it could
work if yuri was in the box.
They also had him demonstratehis pk ability.
So before ingo swann and PatPrice and other viewers that
(08:45):
were more familiar, now they hadJerry Geller.
But after six weeks the USgovernment became concerned of
the security implication of thecitizen Israel.
So they sent him back.
But he did prove to Targ andPuthoff and he worked with
Lawrence a little more lab rightin there, also the area.
He showed them hey, this personcan, blindfolded, have
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something hidden.
He could describe it veryaccurately.
So that got them to say weshould look into this more and
again.
This was started from theefforts of Edgar Mitchell.
Six men to walk on the floorwho had talked about this had a
belief this was possible JimFletcher, who was the head of
(09:31):
NASA at the time, and they gotsome funding together and then
they went to other psychics.
The next person they tested hadan ad in the paper, mingo Swan,
who was local.
He was a New York City artist,born in Telluride, colorado.
He had done some work with awoman named Gertrude Schmeidler
(09:53):
at the City University of NewYork, cooney, and what he did at
the time they had him for thisexperiment.
He came up with this withGertrude.
He would affect these thingscalled thermistors that were
sealed in these vacuum bottles.
Vacuum sealed bottles.
Thermistor can measuretemperature changes and changes.
(10:15):
He proved and they published apaper that showed that ingo with
his mind so this is pk couldaffect thermistors in the other
side of the room at will, makingthe temperature go up or down.
He saw this ad from Hal Puthoffand he sent in the paper that
he and Schweidler had publishedabout PK effect on thermistors.
(10:38):
And Hal said fine, come on out,let's see what you can do.
And so the first thing we'retold that they had Ingo do was
another PK type exercise.
They said Ingo, there issomething called a cork detector
buried below the cement andthis was a device they used to
(11:00):
for graduate students, highlyshielded against vibration from
planes or trucks or anything inthe room.
Very delicate, very accurate,had a sinuous.
They said, ingo, put your mindon this.
They wanted to see whathappened and I've seen the
graphs of the results.
Hal showed them to every timeIngo put his mind on this.
I think it was either a quarkdetector, magnetometer or
(11:23):
something.
The sine wave stopped being asign Three times in a row
exactly and put his mind on it.
He said he could see it, but ithad an effect on the device.
It's pretty weird if you thinkabout it.
It was disturbing to thembecause this device was like
world-class accurate, shouldnever deviate, and here their
mind is making it deviate.
So that showed them.
(11:44):
That was the beginning of theprogram.
They had two people, first Yuri, then Ingo, and it showed them
wow, we got two people, we gottwo experimental results.
We can see this is real andthat's got the whole program
rolling.
They realized, wow, this isreal.
We need to figure out how thisworks, train people into how to
do it.
And what was this?
This would have been in 72.
They worked for the governmentor just worked out of progress
(12:07):
funded by the government or no?
They were working on a ciacontract.
This was definitely a contract.
They had a million dollars ayear or something and not a huge
amount, but it's enough to dosome basic research and they had
ingo stay out there, palo altomonths now.
Here's what the story is withIngo.
They kept doing what they haddone with Yuri.
(12:27):
They said Ingo what's in thebox.
After the initial test they hadhim view things in a box
because nobody knew any otherway to do RV.
Ingo what's in the box.
And as he said, and in some ofthese documentaries, there was
another earlier one before ThirdEye, spies, called her mo by
chinch novel author researcheringo said I can put my mind on
(12:50):
anything in the trivializationof my ability.
I think those are exact words.
Why don't we do something moreinteresting than just view
things box straight up becausesomeone in there was a natural
born psychic?
I just say just for thehistorical record yuri was not a
natural born psychic.
He had an encounter with an orbin his apartment complex which
(13:14):
was witnessed by a neighbor overrecently and said I saw it
happen.
He was running away from whatwe call a ball of light or ball
lightning whatever, and he madecontact with him and he went
unconscious and fell down andwhen he came to he had these
hours.
Just saying how it worked, it'sanother thing to talk about for
another day.
Ingo, on the other hand, isboring this way in telluride.
(13:37):
He had a couple psychicexperiences as a kid where he
just felt like he was out of hisbody, the whole universe.
Just one of these mantis.
They wonder how are we going toview something else?
So the first thing, dom, thatthey came up with him, jan
viewing things in a box which hecould do just like Yuri little
(14:00):
rings or little fruits orobjects.
They had him view coordinatesof a map and they would give him
longitude and latitude and say,ingo, what's at the coordinates
?
And sometimes he would describethings that were so detailed
they couldn't see it on theirmap that they had there.
So they, according to RussellTarr, they went out to the best,
(14:21):
best bookstore they could findin the area and got the biggest
map they could buy at the time.
This is four online maps RedMcMallet, yeah, and they got the
biggest.
And he was always right.
They would put this littledetail on these maps that were
right at those coordinates.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Didn't he see rings around a planet before?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, that might have been at another time.
I think that was at a laterdate because at the time they
were just working with mathcoordinates.
So the criticism came out ofone of these presentations, from
someone at the cia saying howdo you know?
He's not one of these peoplewith eidetic memory.
I can memorize everything on amap there are people like this,
(15:06):
just one of these speciallygifted people that never forgets
and just simply has a measure.
Remember the entire math, allthe logic.
So they thought.
Once they did criticism, theythough how do we?
What else do we do?
So here's how the story goes.
There's two versions of it.
Jacques val has told us, andhe's like an entrepreneur
Silicon Valley entrepreneur anda well-known UFO researcher, by
(15:30):
the way, Jacques Vallée.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
He's the guy I had met at Close Encounter.
He's a French.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
He's the guy that exactly he's that character.
He said that he had discussionswith Ingo, thinking maybe the
total universe is divided up,like a hard drive on our
computers, into addressablememory spaces.
If you got the rightcoordinates of the addressable
space in the universe, that'sone way it goes.
(15:56):
According to Ingo, he was lyingin the pool at the apartment
they rented for him in Palo Altoand he said, on the right side
of his head, at a 45 degreeangle I'm using his word
something like this right close.
This idea came into his head.
It was a voice.
It said tricord, tricord.
(16:17):
So he goes back the next day allexcited, not just longitude and
latitude, but to make up somenumbers and associate it with a
particular target.
He goes in the next day totarget and put it up and they
say that'll never work.
Institute random numbers.
How would that work?
So he said if you don't do this, I'm quitting and I'm getting
bored with this.
(16:37):
And he was about to fly back toNew York and they said okay,
we'll try.
So they came up with randomnumbers and put it on top of a
picture and put it in the folder, which is the technique that we
use nowadays.
And it worked.
They didn't think it was goingto work.
So this is how they went fromdoing things in a box and things
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on an atlas to pick a pictureof anything, put it in a folder,
give it some numbers and onlytell the viewer those random
numbers.
And it worked.
And that's how the randomcoordinates.
Was it the location we'retalking?
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Go inside the structures, gounderground, describe in detail
what's there.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah, you met.
He's now passed away but, youmet Ingo.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, I did.
I was living in New York at thetime, in 2013.
And we knew that he liveddowntown and we used to play
this game to see if we couldjust intuitively locate his
apartment, because we knew hewas lower Manhattan Bowery area,
but we didn't know which streetcross street exactly.
We would go out on our bikes afriend of mine and I.
(17:54):
We would go out and say, let'slike use our gut feeling, cause
I've studied RV since 96.
My gut's getting tough.
We got within a block of hisapartment.
We said somewhere around here.
Finally, a friend of mine saidlook, he's not going to be
around forever.
Here's his phone number.
I knew someone that used totalk to him.
Someone in Los Angeles Gave mehis phone number.
I called and I distinctlyremember the day he called back.
(18:15):
It was over Christmas, 2013,2012, 2013.
And he said hey, I'm up for ameeting.
Why don't you come over?
Here's my address.
We arranged a meeting in I thinkit was January 2013.
I came up and he's just areally fun, interesting person
to talk to.
(18:35):
I gave him a copy of openingsand we were planning to come
back for dinner.
He's someone who really likedto cook and he liked having
people come over and shoot thebreeze about these topics.
I said, ingo, how does RVreally work?
You're the master.
He said we'll talk about thatnext time you're here.
I have an article for you.
And we talked about all sortsof interesting things and then I
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left and at the time he told methat he had what's called
walking pneumonia, which is youhave it but you're not really
expressing the symptomsphysically, unfortunately.
I'm told after I was there hewent and had got a fever and it
got worse and within 48 hours hewas in the hospital of my visit
.
I'm told this later happenedand he never recovered.
(19:21):
So I'm told he lostconsciousness and never came out
of it.
I did get to meet him, dom.
It was a great meeting.
He was a real fun person.
I was told he was 80.
He was a fun person.
He had decades of experiencewith Harvey and we only had one
meeting.
I had seen him at theconferences by the way B Harvey,
and we only had one meeting.
I had seen him at theconferences by the way Berva
International.
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Most of them were held in theVegas area.
He was there a few times alsoAustin, texas, 2002.
My book stand was right next toIngo's I actually got.
That's where I met him in 2002.
And this is where we I got totalk to him a little bit, but it
was fun being with them and,yeah, that was that was the last
time I saw.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Tell the story of how Pat Price was brought into the
program.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
So this is another who's.
Pat Price, yeah, and so thisHarvey program holds all these
interesting twists and turns.
It almost seems like fiction.
Except it happened.
Pat Price was a politician inBurbank, california.
He was another natural and he'dsaid while he was the police
(20:28):
commissioner in Burbank thecrime rate was very low because
he would send slot cars out thatwere crimes were committed.
He just had an intuitive senseand they would have.
These people are prevented fromhaving it.
It probably happened all thetime that people got used to it
didn't give it a second thought.
So he had already had a goodtrack record contacts, argon and
Plotoff, and they test him andhe just knocks it out of the
(20:50):
park every session.
I was told by someone in theDIA program that whatever path
you take it to the bank, herarely missed and his stuff was
highly detailed.
And so here's one thing thatthey did with swan and price to
prove to the us government thatthis could work.
(21:11):
They had the view initially.
They called someone over at thecia and they said can you just
give us some?
It was Kit Greene, by the way,who was the guy in charge of the
strange deaths, cia in theearly 70s, medical doctor.
But the CIA taps on all sorts ofphenomena.
A lot of what they do is opensource.
(21:32):
They read articles, buy stuff.
They're just absorbinginformation.
This is before internet.
Buy stuff, they're justabsorbing information.
This is before internet's.
They're cutting out articles.
So shit, cory, as the storygoes, just went to guy in the
next office and you just give melike a location.
I need a location and I'll tellyou what.
The guy chose his summer cabinin west virginia.
(21:52):
They have swan and price viewit and neither of them view a
cabin.
They get this really extensivefacility a lot of computers,
satellite, issues, code by coldfile folders.
The code names all related tothe game of wolf, like cue ball,
(22:14):
and rack them up and name thisstuff.
Name plates on people, yeah,stuff like this.
And they don't know what it is.
And they come call back Kit andthey say we got this.
And Kit said no, that's notquite what the target is.
It doesn't make sense to me.
And Russell said to them toobad, Because the other guy got
(22:35):
the same thing.
That is what other guy?
Because we have this new viewernamed Pat Price they know about
Ingo and the other guy got it.
So he went back, he looked on amap I think he both got the
same thing, this extensive.
And he looked right over thehill from this vacation.
And what happened was the NSASugar Grove facility which was
(22:56):
designed to listen to Sovietsatellites.
One particular satellite, we'retold, which was designed to
listen to Soviet satellites.
One particular satellite, we'retold, that came over at a
particular time every day andget as much information from it
as they could because it wastransmitting back to Moscow.
And when they looked at whatPrice and Swann had written down
, they were really disturbed.
They had written down codenames, file folders, locked and
(23:19):
secure vaults.
Talk about vertical informationhere.
This is stuff you couldn't makeup.
In fact, the government was soconcerned they contacted the
National Security Administrationand sent out secret service
agents or some marshals, toarrest them in Palo Alto for
trespassing on governmentproperty.
(23:39):
So they knew this was going tohappen because these guys were
that good, they already hadproof, they had never left the
state of California and itproved to the intelligence
establishment that this could bethat accurate, Literally
reading we're talking aboutreading words off of desks.
Think about the implications ofthat in what the security
(24:02):
establishments thought forcompletely secure facilities.
And here people are penetratingit with their psychic abilities
.
So that's why they got theremainder of the funding.
It kept going for over a decadeand a half after that, because
they proved, wow, not only canthey just be in something like
Ingo location, they can actuallywords and yeah.
(24:23):
So that is one of those storiesthat they, and after that they
started really looking atspecific military target.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
After that was it just initially a military
program, like you learned fromCourtney Brown right.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, I learned from Courtney Brown and later Lind
Buchanan, who was also someCivilians, or both military.
Courtney was a politicalscience professor who had taken,
of course, going back to thehistory of this it declassified
in 1905.
Her hearings in Congress.
They have Ray Hyman, who's askeptic, and Jessica Otts, who's
(24:59):
a neutral statistician, head ofthe American Statistical
Association, and they have themevaluated.
And then there's a show on TedKoppel.
They had Robert Gates come overwho was director of the CIA at
the time, I believe, and Ed May,who ran the program after
(25:20):
Targum put off, I believe from85 till 95, told his bosses the
program had been moved to SEICby another government contractor
, frums.
And I have talked to Ed May.
He would come to some of theseconferences and he said they
told him you can't go to thatcouple show, we don't want to be
publicly associated with RV.
There was a lot of skepticismabout it in Congress.
(25:43):
You know cuts of budgets, x, x,some people who are associated
with the program.
Ed May said I don't care, I'mgoing and saying the other side
because it works and I was therewhen it worked and I'm going to
talk about how all thesuccesses Gates talked about all
the failures Gate may want andhe went anyway.
They said he was going to fireanyway and they fired him, but
(26:04):
he said it was important to tellthe public.
So it's declassified, and manyfight in the protocols were
never classified, Just theparticular projects, even some
of them to this day.
I'd asked about some of thethings that they viewed and I
was told they still can't talkabout some of these human crimes
.
You can imagine what themilitary industrial intelligence
agencies use.
(26:25):
Something like this.
Actual information will beclassified.
So then the people that wereinvolved in the program started
teaching it.
One of them was ed daves, whohad been involved with the
program.
Yeah, he worked at fort mead,though it had been transferred
to the program.
Yeah, he worked at Fort Meade,though it had been transferred
to TIA by that at Fort Meade,and he was like coordinator for
the program.
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There were other people thatwere trained just to be viewers,
but Ed knew enough from theprogram to teach it and some
people learned from him.
And then other people from theprogram, like Lynn Buchanan,
began teaching it.
So Courtney had learned from Edand then I studied at Farsight.
I was a teacher there and Ialso wanted to see, here's one
protocol.
Is this the main protocol orwere there variations?
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If you learn it just from oneperson, you might just get the
way they did it, and I learnedthat there were other variations
and that's what I learned fromworking with Courtney and Ed.
So I had a couple of teachersand teachers, and now all of
these people who have beeninvolved in the program most of
them have come forward that weknow about.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
How many viewers would you say that the
government was using in the 70sand 80s?
It?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
seemed to be, from my experience, maybe 15 to 20.
There were different peopletrained at different times
People like David Morehouse.
There was someone named PaulSmith.
All these people have their owncourses in it and audit and
other viewers.
Some of them I think some ofthem came forward later on
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didn't know about initiallybecause they were still active
duty.
They've retired since then.
So they've come to theconferences and then we're told
there's still some.
Dale Grapp is another personthat was a viewer that later
went to run.
He worked for foreigntechnology Patterson and they
were responsible for developingthe stealth aircraft and Dale
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and I talked to him extensively,developed the technology to
make the stealth aircraftinvisible to Soviet radar, other
radar systems and combiningsignal with knowing certain ways
to make it seem really small.
He went around that he wasactually a viewer.
Now this is an interestingproject he was involved with.
You may have heard of this.
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In the late 70s, under thecarter administration, there was
a libyan pilot that defectedwith a Soviet bomber and ditched
the plane over what's nowcalled Democratic Republic of
the Congo I think it was calledZaire, maybe that's the name it
is now and they couldn't see thepoint.
They wanted the plane.
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The US military organizationwanted to get the electronics.
It was like a Badger bomber orsomething like that.
They wanted that electronicsback.
They couldn't see it because itwas like a badger bomber or
something like that.
They wanted that electronicsback.
They couldn't see it because itwas buried below a rainforest.
It's a huge rainforest even tothis day.
So they you know desperation.
Someone said why don't we trytheir well viewers?
So they had one viewer, a womanI don't know her name, over at
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sri look at it.
And dale graph was anotherviewer.
I think this is publicknowledge.
Now, over at Reg, pat Carter'sactually talked about it.
Carter's talked about it.
They didn't mention the names,but I know the inside of this.
So the woman gets.
Dale got something like it'snext to a red stream, which
would suggest iron rich stream,and I think the woman got the
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location and the queue.
I asked dale what were you toldahead of time?
How much information are yougetting right?
Dale said he was given plane,went down somewhere in africa.
That's it.
Africa is a big place and theysend in the delta force team
where the location is andthey're looking for a red stream
.
Find the play.
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They find the plane adam, and socarter didn't that native help
them running with a piece of anaircraft from a distance and I
told them what's the help.
Yeah, and they're right on it.
Based on these rv results andcarter awards a medal of honor
to the program, to dale inparticular.
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Now, according to the storythat dale told me, his because
this remote view program isorganized as a special access
program, which means it'shorizontally organized, not
vertically.
People can know about it indifferent branches in the
military, he tells they don'ttell their commanders how to
bring what else you need to know.
according to dale, his bosseswere ticked off at him at
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Wright-Patt that he's involvedin a special access program.
That's his ego and they didn'tknow.
They're Wright-Patterson andthey should know everything.
They don't know about thisbecause it's a special access
program.
So he.
That's the way it looks.
So they're ticked off at himand they don't let him go to
Washington to get the medal.
Broke Carter, imagine that theyblock him because he can't
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leave.
I think he ends up gettingfired over this.
But it turned into a good thingbecause he gets selected to run
the program for a while and hedeveloped another protocol,
which is using dream time toview things, having a target set
up while you're sleeping, andthen write it down as you.
He's written some books.
One of them is called Trax.
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It's a very good book aboutthat.
So there are different peopleinvolved at different times and
they some of them go on to teachthis and it starts, and so I
learned it in 96, a year afterit's declassified.
A lot of it, as I said, wasdeclassified, but some of those
programs, to this day you won't,you still can't find out what
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they were actually looking at.
It's still considered sensitive.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
If you had to guess, would you think that some parts
of the government are stillusing viewers for special issues
?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, I'm told.
So this question comes up inall the conferences and the
people who were involved in itdon't know anymore if that's
true because, again, specialaccess programs need to know.
But you would think, given thatthis is very inexpensive to do,
I'm taking my classes.
I had a class in New York Cityin 2009.
Don was there.
You can see, it's veryinexpensive.
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You get a target, you teachsome of the protocols.
They don't need much If you canhave satellites or human
intelligence, or it's not a lotof people too, so you can keep
it quiet, not a lot of people,and you can get a lot of
information and you don't havemuch to lose.
And then you can verify it with10, if my person's on target,
maybe if the rest of the sessionlooks accurate.
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Maybe the other stuff they'regetting that you can't confirm
is also accurate.
You would think it's stillbeing used Now.
I'm told that the name of whatit's called now the name's been
changed from remote to psionics.
We are told this becausethere's been a lot of
information coming forth aboutthe UFO programs, and we'll talk
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about that in other times.
Ufo programs and we'll talkabout that in other times.
Sap, atib, people like LouElizondo who have been coming
forward recently.
I've met some people.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
It's certainly been in the news, this deep state
thing we're not going to tellyou a lot of stuff about it all
of a sudden, yeah, and there wasthat New York Times article in
2017.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
So here's how RV comes into this.
There was a program proposedafter OSAP Advanced Weapons
Systems Application Program.
They give these really esotericacronyms to hide the true
nature of these.
Before OSAP, there wassomething all the advanced
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theoretical physics group, abook run by John Alexander, a
guy out of the army who workedin Los Alamos.
They do this deliberately so itdoesn't sound like anything to
do with UFOs and plausibledeniability and no one knows
what to look for.
When you're doing a request forfreedom of information, you
have to use words to look for.
If you don't know what thewords are, they can change the
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names of these things.
They don't call them UFOs.
They call them, as the AirForce does now, unmanned aerial
systems or unidentified air.
They give them these acronymsso that public doing the FOIA
request don't even know what tolook for.
And, by the way, they haveanother way even to hide it
further is just to give thestuff to aerospace tech
companies that are not evensubject FOIA.
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But there was a program afterOSAP you might have heard about
this called Kona Blue.
It was a leak recently of allthis information that's coming
forward.
Congressional committee createdthis told the Pentagon to start
reporting to them.
They had the task force andthen called out Arrow, which
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AERIS aeronautics somethingresearch.
They're supposed to report backto Congress.
One of the things they pickedup on was something called
that's the code name for thisspecial access program and if
you look at these documents,they were going to recreate a
remote viewing program.
To use this viewing now calledpsionics to see if they could
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get information about what's nowcalled unidentified areas.
It's been sanitized, they don'tcall it UFOs anymore, they call
them UAPB.
They want to look intosomething like that Exactly, see
if we can get to know.
Kona Blue was not funded, butisn't it interesting?
Here we are in 2012, just about12 years ago, 13 years ago
where the state proposes a bigbudget UFO research program.
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I still like UFOs.
They propose this big scale.
This is after Skinwalker Ranch.
It's another topic for anotherday.
They proposed this program andone of the.
If you look at the time,Strange thing Skinwalker Ranch.
Strange thing, but they somebodywanted to keep it going, steve,
because there's a whole budgetproposal called Kona Blue and it
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includes a remote viewing unit.
This came from Senators Ittawayand Ted Stevens and Harry Reid
from Nevada.
Stevens had this site.
That's what got OSAP going.
But here are some proposals.
It's extensive, multi-pagedocument with obviously
satellites and sensor systems,but remote viewers.
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It's proposed then to use it.
Did they answer your question,dom, a few minutes ago?
I don't know if they're stillusing it.
I wouldn't doubt that theystopped because, again, it's not
that expensive to do.
You have nothing to.
Let me just say one thingimportant about RFE.
If the people already work foryou, what's the difference?
What's the difference?
They're already working for youand this doesn't cost as much
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as a satellite launch and youcould get as they did with plane
that carter, they recovered thebackfire bomber, badger bomber,
whatever it is electronicsbased, surely on two viewers,
and I can verify that.
I've talked to dale graph andobviously carter talked about it
.
That was one of the thingscarter talked about it.
Apparently he was holdingfolder with the name of the
program during this pressconference or something, and
they saw Grill Flame on thefolder.
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It was a special access program.
They changed it to Stargator,stargate, to Grill, flame other
than other names.
But this program I guess the onething about RV that's very
important it's useful in contextof other types of more
traditional informationsatellites, people, news, all
(37:23):
that stuff.
If you just do it on its own itcan be accurate.
But you don't know, you don'thave any way to verify it, and
Ingo had said he only didverifiable targets.
He would have his own.
He would do something like wasit Jupiter looking for rain?
Bring us around Jupiter.
And they had.
So this is one example of howthey used it.
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Once that program got developed, they would give people targets
like oh, we know Voyager'saudit.
So I remember the Voyagerlaunches it's a big deal with.
Dom and I were in high school,we're both from the Serum, which
I was more out here.
Wow, it was exciting.
They have a 7G up, this probegoing out to the solar system
and it's going past quarks andsome mules there, yeah, and on
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its way it's taking pictures ofall these planets.
So one of the stops was Jupiter.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Right, it's using the gravitational pulse to slink
down.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, they use really smart it in different
directions.
It's legit.
Yeah, so the Ingo says.
They said the Ingo, what iswhat's the way you're going to
find on Jupiter where they getout there?
And he said it's got ringsDrawing.
These rings, remember, can beused for small scale things like
what's in the folder and what'saround Jupiter.
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And he sees ring at the time.
Everyone they laugh at him.
Come on, we know that Jupiter,jupiter has rings.
When Voyager gets there, theyfind some faint rings.
So that's again showing, wow,you got someone that's good at
this.
And they think I've gotexamples in here of just what
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ordinary people can do, justfrom a class like Dom to that IT
, what ordinary people can dojust from a class like Dom to
that IT.
You can see there's the targetrace car and the person draws
race car Just for the audienceto look at, or a rocket ship.
They draw a rocket ship.
This is hold up your books.
They don't have any information.
This is my bug opening mics.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Opening mics.
People can't get on Amazon.
I'm going to get work from me.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
We'll give out my website.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Indiana.
This is, yeah, Opening minds, ajourney of extraordinary
calories.
Crops are both rested and it'sgot a couple of chapters of my
experience with RV.
But you look at, take a look atthis.
We know what this is.
Washington mining Right andthey draw the Washington of no
doubt that they makes RV content.
Even beginners can do stufflike that.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Question has there ever been an analysis as to time
and its impact on remoteviewing in terms of verifiable
events past, present and future?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
There have been targets done in the past.
There are targets done in thefuture.
Yeah, and it seems to beaccurate, just not in
present-day target.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
but other time periods and success rate is
pretty equal throughout all ofthat.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
When you're dealing with the future, you're dealing
with probabilities.
The future is not laid in stone.
That's my belief, based on theviewing data.
There's different branches fromany future.
There's probability, but theway this has proved it's true is
something called ARV AssociatedRemote Viewing where you binary
outcomes up and down, stockmarket up and down, commodities
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up and down and people that havedone this have shown that you
can do this and successfullyhave a higher hit rate than 50%.
But you've got to surely guessRight.
And even the best algorithmsfrom Wall Street and places that
do this professionally are notmuch higher than 55% or
something like that, which isstill going to have a win rate
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over a long period of time.
But we're talking over yearsand years.
But the remote viewers wereable to get 65%, which, if
you're betting over a long time,you're going to make money.
One guy Targ and Plotoff bothhad their own groups.
They've talked about this.
Russell's hardshoop was calledthe Spook Group.
They had an investor and I'vespoken to people that were in
this and they would.
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These were graduate students,so they were not allowed to be
paid for this, but they wouldview for this guy and he would
invest silver futures, up ordown for it, and they made a lot
of money for him.
I'm told it worked until hecame in one day with his gold
chains driving his expensivesports car.
Then they started beinggraduates.
He said to them guys, this isworking so well for me, do it
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twice a week instead of once aweek because you're making so
much money for me.
Apparently it never worked.
The gift because they resentedit, because they were not
allowed to be paid.
Like basketball players on acollege they can't pay.
But Hal Puthoff used thisapparently to raise money for a
local Waldorf school and he wasworking with a dentist or
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something like this, and theyput their money into it and they
made enough to build school.
But I'm told this takes a lot ofwork.
It's not like a magic trick.
You just pick.
You got to have basically doingup and down target.
I'll ask you what are you goingto be shown on Friday?
Up target, down target.
That takes some coordination.
So a guy comes along recently,greg Kolodzic, who's a long
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distance athlete, marathonrunner calendar on rudder
calendar stream sport.
It is up his up without anygroup, solo and he's presented
to us and you can see his siteis remote, dash v?
Um.
He created a very simpleprotocol, even without
coordinates or anything, youjust site, target up, target
down.
Make some contrast.
Ask yourself, am I going toshow myself on friday afternoon?
Or down target?
You do a little.
And he was able to get 65, even70% rate over 13 years, 5,200
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trials and he told us there'sbetter ways to make money.
Like, whatever you do, if youspent that much time you'd make
more money than you know.
You're going to have somemisses, but he did prove 65%
over 13 years.
This is a pretty good successrate.
Also, they did this inengineering down the list of
researchers.
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The various people down therehave tried this just for future
prediction and we're talkinglike a week ahead and I think to
me as a former statistician,they show this.
Something's going on here whereyou're actually seeing the
future.
Let me tell you another type ofexperiment.
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It's called prescientious.
They called it.
They would show you a picture.
It could either be reallyneutral or it could be graphic,
shocking or something like thatwas emotional content.
They would measure the galvanicskin response and they found
that, ahead of the shockingtypes of targets which had some
violence or sexual content orsomething like that.
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They would get a response onthe galvanic skin response Meet
about a couple of millisecondsbefore the computer showed you
target, and they did this overand over guy.
Guy named daryl bem did this atcornell, and dean raid, who
worked for ions, did this out inlas vegas and they've
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reproduced as many times.
Is that some part of you seemsto react before you're showing
the picture?
Even before the computer ischosen, a picture is one
completely bland, whether,having emotional content, you
would react more to the oneswhich shows.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
They called it presenting so in the experiment
the sequence was not set, it wasrandom from the computer's view
as well.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
But you would react ahead of time and that would
show and it makes sense from anevolutionary perspective, that
of the branching timelines thatcome out of the present you're
reacting to it ahead of time.
There's a party that knows itbefore your eyes see it, even if
it's just a computer.
That's another type ofshort-term future ARV Associated
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Remote Viewing.
Go out to a week or two ahead.
You would beat the odds 50-50,.
You'd get more closer to 60-60.
Pre-sentience showed that wehave an immediate reaction
before something happens.
So those are two types ofevidence that humans have the
ability to sense the future.
And again, our viewers wouldhave it.
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Again, it defies what you and Iwere brought up to believe in
school, that there's some sortof sense, beyond physical senses
, of knowing what's going on inthe future in the presence of.
So yeah, I would say there'sdata, the future.
Again, none of this is 100 andeven though pat Price might have
(45:43):
been the most accurate viewer,most viewers occasionally miss a
target.
Even Joe McModicle, who was avery highly accomplished
reviewer, came out of the Army.
I teach this today at theMonroe Institute, virginia.
He has said this is half histargets, but the other half are
really accurate and there's manycases where he military, soviet
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military, target streamaccuracy.
One case he's known for hisviewmate.
He had this huge shipyard a bitromanced or something or
they're Russia.
They wanted to know what was init and he said viewed it.
It's the largest submarine everbuilt and it's different than
other submarines because themissiles are ahead of the Connie
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town.
Normally on subs, the missilesI think, holy, yeah, he comes up
at this.
They say it can't be true,there aren't any subs.
Connie town was behind them andthey thought it was an aircraft
carrier.
They come where it rolls out tothe North Sea on one of these
long tracks and it's a hugesubmarine, the biggest that the
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world's ever seen.
And then they said you werelucky, you just got lucky gas
right.
Yeah, he did view it, hedescribed it.
Their case is where it's reallyaccurate and I would imagine
going back to your questionabout 20 minutes ago.
I would would imagine goingback to your question about 20
minutes ago.
I haven't imagined they stilluse anything specific you think
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are going on right now orthere's obviously a lot going on
in the world as we're recordingthis and I don't know of any
specifics, but I'm told it'sbeen privatized and again, this
is what happens.
Advanced technology is the?
U government farms it out tobring rations.
I am told this happensRecovered UFO crash materials
from people that have worked inthese programs.
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Some of them don't wantanything, though I haven't said
who they are.
I've talked to various highlyaccomplished engineers at
conferences in other locationswhere I speak and they've come
up to me afterwards and saidthat this is all privatized and
this could be what happens withFortune 500 companies and
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various aerospace companies.
Now our own senator from NewYork, chuck Schumer, attempted
to pass the Schumer-Rouds billin the NDMA last year.
That's the National DefenseAuthorization Act that Congress
passes every year to fundPentagon, and they stripped it
out at the last moment.
But this bill?
Schumer must know something andI've asked people how did Chuck
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Schumer get involved with this?
An East Coast senator, howwould he get involved with this?
How did Chuck Schumer getinvolved with this?
An East Coast senator?
How would he get involved withit?
He was obviously friends withHarry Reid, who was a big
proponent of this coming forward.
He proposed that anything thatwas given to the defense
contract was now property of theUS government under eminent
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domain and would have to beturned over back to the federal
government within 100 days ofthe passage of the Schumer
Rounds Act.
Yeah, that's kind of quickdeath.
Kind of quick death.
And there's a reason.
The people who opposed it inthe Senate were those senators
that have big aerospacecompanies in their district and
they don't want to give thisstuff up because they can
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develop sociology out of thisand there's debate about whether
it should be subject to eminentdomain or not.
These companies put a lot ofresources into figuring out how
it could work with resources.
The money probably came from thegovernment anyway the money
came from the government anyway,and that's the schumer argument
is this came from thegovernment.
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The resources, the benefitsshould go back to the public.
There's a lot of debate Whetheryou think this should be open
to eminent domain.
But I'm just mentioning thisexample because if RV was being
used, I don't think we wouldknow about it because it would
be in other black budgetprograms that, just like these
UFO craft retrieval program.
Now our listeners, viewers, maysay Sim, is that for real?
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I'm convinced it's for real,having talked to all the people
I've talked to and they'vedescribed what this material
looks like under electronmicroscope.
Super dense technology that wecan't even come close to with
our current level of scientificdevelopment.
We have of developingtechnology that is engineered on
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the atomic scale, atom by atom,to act like wave guides,
interact, brought them back.
This topic of gravidics has comeup recently these so-called
drones that have happened overthe tri-state area and various
bases around the US and otherparts.
Big discussion whether thisgravitic technology exists.
According to the engineers I'vetalked to, they can't figure
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out how this crash materialworks.
None of them I've talked tohave ever said any of these
aerospace stuff and figured itout.
I'm told it comes down fromNASA to JPL Hope I'm not giving
too many secrets here To JPL, toaerospace stuff, and they've
said guys figure out how itworks.
There's a black budget side toNASA which a lot of people are
surprised, but they do work forthe defense, we know satellites
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are launched.
There you go and there's a spaceprogram, a space program and
there's secret launch facilitieswhich I probably shouldn't talk
about too much, but they existin there.
So it wouldn't be surprising,dom, that any advanced
technology like this that hasimportant ramifications for
national security would bedeveloped by aerospace companies
(51:16):
, including viewing skills.
Now they've developed Ed May.
I mentioned to him beforesomeone that ran an SRI that ran
the viewing program and Ed Maysays he was the longest running
direct program.
You ran it longer you go intoSAIC.
You ran it longer than evenArgon put off in the early days.
He said you could put it on achip, you could develop a remote
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chip Because he believes theyfigured out what the physical is
.
Shit because he believes theyfigured out what the physical is
.
Some people think it's somethingcalled the iran home boom
effect, which is a quantumeffect proposed 50s where
particles can interact at adistance with other fields that
don't even radiate out.
It could be completely sealed,but there's communication going
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on.
The evidence that supports thatidea is how Puthoff, after
leaving SRI, created his owncompany and patents for
long-distance communication, theABFA, what's called vector
potential, not ordinaryelectromagnetic fields like
we're used to, potential fieldsthat are in the numbers,
imaginary numbers of quantumequations.
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But the fact is real.
It's shown by Konemura in Japanin 1986.
I forget which company he workedat the time.
They proved that thisAronhuk-Bomb effect, which sort
of seemed like a spooky quantumeffect things in Dracula at a
distance, they proved it wasreal.
So some of us think maybe theAV effect is what we're doing
(52:44):
when we do our in.
Now you have to admit, steve,it'd be cool if we identified
the scientific principle.
The Russians felt like they hadactually developed this enough
to create a chip, according toEd May, and the last time he
presented he said he was workingwith Russian companies or
something to develop RV chip,which would suggest it's
physical.
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I'm not sure, given ourrelations with Russia now, if
they've been still working withthem that would be considered
some sort of security risk tohelp them develop this
technology.
As we're recording this, now.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
So what you're saying is it's not just you, but
matters interacting with othermatter, and it's being almost
it's been communicated tosomething that can record what's
on the other end of that matter.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yes, that's what.
Ed may claim Exactly, there's aphysical effect and a chip could
do it just like a human brain.
I'm not sure if this is true,but this is what he told us and
if it was going on here thatwould be definitely classified.
I would consider that to havenational security.
They were concerned what PatPrice could view the Sugar Grove
(53:53):
NSA facility.
When they asked the Pat Price,how did you do this?
He said I just smushed my headinto the safe in his imagination
, walking down the halls of thisSugar Rose, and he moved into
these spaces and looked with hiseyes.
What was there.
Can you imagine?
It's accurate.
It seems like science fiction.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
But it's true, but it seems like the government would
take people like that, throwthem in jail so they couldn't
talk to anybody else.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
Pat Price had an early death.
We'll say this, and there's alot of speculation.
He was working for theintelligence agencies.
We were told he was viewingSoviet targets every day, or
let's say, intelligenceorganizations.
We don't know exactly whathappened to him.
There is a feeling going onwith your previous interview
(54:40):
with Dobb, that he wasassassinated by the KGB, and
Russians who've shown up atthese IRPA conferences have said
when we're talking in a groupafterwards, they're sure that's
what happened to him because theKGB boasted about it.
But there's disinformation thatcomes out of former Soviet
Union Russia.
You can't be sure.
He didn't live a healthy dieteither.
He didn't eat a healthy diet.
(55:01):
He had had heart problems.
However, we're told there'ssome weird things that happened.
His casket was already sealed.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
Didn't somebody see him like a couple of years
afterwards there?
Speaker 2 (55:12):
was some feeling that he was seen in a supermarket in
.
Virginia or somewhere by someonein DC.
I swore it was him, so we don'ttotally know.
Yeah, Steve, I would think theanswers to these questions is I
don't know and nobody knows.
Just because I'm suggesting it,it would have a very high level
of classification and, as youboth know and our viewers know,
(55:35):
if you're involved with theseaerospace companies and you're
involved in national securityand secrets, there are very high
penalties for breaking anydisclosure.
People I talked to recently whoknew about UFO crash patrol and
we'll talk about that at anothertime told me the consequences
of talking about what they sawto me would be so severe.
(55:59):
This person literally told methey would be financially ruined
by the federal government foreven mentioning anything beyond
the fact that these programsexist, but no specific.
Now you've heard people likeTesla Biden in front of Congress
recently House OversightIntelligence Committee, David
Krush, Lalo Zondo, others saidyou hear these Congress people
(56:20):
say what did you see?
They say I just literally can'ttalk about it.
We have to go into closed thissetting skiff and cure
compartmentalized information.
You've seen people publicly saythat because they've signed
these NDAs that are very severe,of ever talking about it.
This is treason, Treason.
And when you're dealing withtreason, on very highly
(56:43):
sophisticated ways.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
That means you've given up your freedom.
It's automatic.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
They don't even have to be tried.
This is the speculation.
Maybe they could receive thedeath penalty for talking to us.
So they're not going to talk.
They're not going to talk,You'll be home.
Here's the issue with that.
We don't know and we don't evenknow.
Don the answer to your question.
Are they still using it?
We don't know.
For example, I would justassume they are, but if they are
, no one's talking about itbecause it's totally wrong, I
(57:09):
think that's maybe a place toleave it right there and say, oh
great, Start talking about thisremote viewing as things go on.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Also good to other things you want to talk about
from the past.
That may work their way into itGood.
That may work their way into itGood.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Very good.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Was there anything else you want Give your website?
Yeah, so I've been teaching itever since.
I have classes people can do ifthey just want to do it
anonymously at their own pace,and I have these classes
occasionally.
One thing we started I startedthis line to do is a monthly
where we have people at anylevel and we do a target every
(57:46):
month and that's on Sundaynights.
If people ever want once amonth, the moment people want to
join that group pencil training, feel free to contact me.
So my website, dot.
Thanks for asking it's.
My blog is newcrystalmindcom.
Newcrystalmind.
That's just where I postinterviews and videos and
interesting information.
But my website for viewing Ijust called it Virtual Viewing
(58:10):
Go to Virtual Viewing dot.
Virtual viewing dot org.
You can just see what'savailable so people can train on
their own or they can trainwith me in classes sometimes or
just once a month.
Join up.
There's other books.
You can read about it.
My book Opening Minds is justone of many books that have
talked about the history of thisand again I mentioned Getting
(58:30):
Through.
Dice Bites is a great place.
You can watch that right now.
It's a great introduction tothe whole subject.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
Thank you so much for coming.
It's nice to have all Thanks alot, dave, interesting.
Thanks for watching.
I'm sure I'm going to get a lotof questions about it.
I probably have a bunch myself,but thank you and I thank
everybody for watching andlistening.
If you're listening to us onaudio, on podcast, please
(58:59):
subscribe and all those thingspeople say.
And if you have any questions,there's a link on the audio
podcast that you can send me adirect message by clicking on it
.
I thank you all for listening.
I thank you guys for being here, and everyone have a good day.
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