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When it comes to NFL offseason strategy, front office decisions often make more headlines than on-field performance. The Jets' recent signings of Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson to four-year extensions represent a seismic shift for a franchise that historically lets talent walk. While Gardner's playing style differs dramatically from shutdown corners of the past—playing 7-8 yards off receivers rather than press coverage—the financial commitment signals a new era under Aaron Glenn's leadership.
Meanwhile, the Giants' mishandling of Saquon Barkley's departure epitomizes organizational dysfunction. The casual phone call from a general manager with "feet up on the desk" instead of a face-to-face meeting shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how to treat generational talent. Now watching Barkley flourish with the rival Eagles, Giants fans face another rebuilding phase with draft pick Abdul Carter offering a glimmer of defensive hope.
Jerry Jones emerges as a cautionary tale of ego-driven ownership. Despite Dallas's consistent talent acquisition, Jones habitually undervalues his stars until it's too late, creating a revolving door that prevents championship contention. This stands in stark contrast to well-managed franchises like Philadelphia and San Francisco, where organizational alignment creates sustainable success.
The conversation shifts to the controversial quarterback rankings that inexplicably place Super Bowl quarterback Jalen Hurts ninth behind less accomplished signal-callers. This disconnect between on-field achievement and perceived value highlights the subjective nature of talent evaluation in today's NFL.
After analyzing betting odds for division winners, we conclude that despite the statistical rarity of Super Bowl rematches, the Chiefs and Eagles remain the class of their respective conferences, with teams like the Ravens, Bills, Commanders, and Lions positioned as credible challengers.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello everyone and welcome to a better life sports
live with my good friend, justin.
How are you, justin?
I'm good.
Your Thank you for having me on.
Are you going to start callingme that now?
Huh, I'm not quite sure ifwe're broadcasting or not
broadcasting.
It looks like we are.
It's running on my end.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
There's a count there .
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yep, it's running on my end too, but I don't really
see it on the website.
I could bring it up just as atest.
Let's do a new window just foraggravation sake.
Maybe there's a little bit of adelay, I don't know.
Welcome to our live.
Whoa, there you go, it's there.
So we're broadcasting live Niceto know, and we're in the
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beginning of what we're going tosay is a sports show.
Right now, we're going to tryto do this at least once a month
, at least for the beginning.
We're going to try to do twicea month First, third, second,
would we say First and third.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Tuesdays First and third Tuesday of the month.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
At 6 o'clock.
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Speaker 2 (01:24):
What In between meetings?
What In between meetings?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
In between meetings.
That's the thing.
Justin and I both belong tosome of the same social clubs.
That's part of it, and we'regoing to record this and put it
out on the air.
It'll be available in arecorded version even though we
didn't really publicize it.
So it's hard unless you're asubscriber to a Better Life New
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York podcast.
This is a supplemental group ofBetter Life New York called
Sports Live.
First thing maybe we could getinto and certainly it's one of
Justin's sore subjects and thatis our favorite football teams.
It seems to be the topic ofconversation, even though
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tonight is the all-star game forMajor League Baseball.
All day everyone's talkingabout football, but I guess
that's what makes the moneyright.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, it's certainly all about money.
Today's big news was Jetsrelated.
They don't usually have bignews, but it is the offseason.
That's usually the best season.
They signed two players thisweek, both former rookies of the
year.
They signed their big time widereceiver, garrett Wilson, to a
four-year extension, and todaythey signed Sauce Gardner to a
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four-year extension, making thehighest paid corner in football,
which for the Jets, I don'tknow.
That's a little laughable to me, but I do have to give them
credit, because they normallydon't go outside that box.
This is a new regime and youwould think maybe the new regime
would want to get away from theplayers that the previous
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general manager had taken on.
But it seems as though they areahead of the curve now because
in the long run they've addedfour years to both contracts.
So both players are stillplaying under a rookie contract
and if they finish out theextension, it'll actually save
the Jets money in the end, whichis not usually what the Jets do
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.
Usually they're buying playersto complete pieces.
They don't hold on to theirtalent, which is something I
think that drives the fan baseincredibly nuts to watch guys
play well and then leave and gosomewhere else and even win
championships.
Certainly Rivas comes to mind.
But Sauce Gardner we'll startthere.
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I guess he's not the talentthat Rivas was.
Completely different makeup as acorner Rivas was under six feet
.
An all-time cover corner.
Could lock up anybody.
Could play tight, could playman, could play off, can play
zone.
Could lock up anybody couldplay tight, could play man,
could play off, can play zone.
But Sauce Gardner typicallyplays about seven or eight yards
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off the football.
Very rarely do you see him lockanybody up in man coverage.
He gets beat a lot but he hasgreat recovery.
You usually don't see that interms of teams paying
cornerbacks for that kind oftalent.
Again, not knocking sauce.
But it's interesting because Ithink the Jets are telling you a
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couple things here.
They're willing to keep theirtalent now and this is going to
lay a format for the newcoaching staff.
Aaron Glenn is going to buildhis defense to his specs with
these players and he was willingto keep Sauce, which I think is
a big tell in terms of whatkind of defense they're going to
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run.
If they're going to run singlehigh, cover two.
Usually I think his format issingle high, so he's going to
have limited safety help overthe top, but Rivas plays off, so
he's usually good at coveringthe first move.
A double move, he's susceptibleto getting beat.
He's very handsy, which issomething that they criticize
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him about.
He gets away with a ton ofpounties and I don't know if
that's because of his namerecognition.
It's certainly something theJets love to sell.
Woody bought the big saucenecklace, all the bling.
He's definitely got swagger.
He talks the talk, but Iwouldn't put him in the elite
level of cornerbacks that we'veseen previously in the NFL, like
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Revis, charles Woodson, champBailey, deion Sanders different
type of athlete altogether.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So how does that round out the whole defense for
the Jets?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I think what they're telling you is that they still
don't have a pass rush.
They're going to manufacture apass rush because they're going
to have to play soft coverageand they did lock up the other
corner His name escapes me rightnow, sorry.
So I think that this is themtelling you that they have
pieces in place that they canwork with and they're probably
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still going to run the base 4-3defense.
They still have to replacetheir middle linebacker because
he retired.
I think more more importantly,this defense is probably gonna
not be as aggressive as thelions were.
I think they'll build up tothat aaron glenn coming over
from the lions, because they'vebuilt, on paper at least, the
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solid offensive line, which theyhaven't proven yet that they
can protect the quarterback, butthey're.
They should be able to run thefootball with those two monsters
they have in the backfield.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
So who's starting?
Do you know yet, or is it stillup there in a year?
I know they have Justin Fieldsthat they picked up from
Pittsburgh, pittsburgh, whichwas, I guess, a little shock to
everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, I think everybody thought that they were
going to go more of the KirkCousins route, but I think that
they're trying to catchlightning in a bottle For
Garrett Wilson.
He's been on the team witheight different quarterbacks.
He's limited.
It's not like he's caught abunch of touchdowns, but that's
more an indictment on the Jetsoffense in total and their
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quarterback play.
He does have a thousand yardsreceiving his first three years
in the league each year.
So that bodes well for themgoing forward and I think
they're just trying to reconnectJustin Fields with Garrett
Wilson and hope that they canrekindle some of their magic
from Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I know that I was pretty shocked and I want to
take a step back for a minutethat they fired their coach and
the only explanation last year Icould come with is that Woody,
in his divine madness, basicallywas former ambassador to
England and he sat with hisbillionaire friends in the box
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and when they got embarrassedwhich there was a little bit of
embarrassment, how they lostthat game in England was upset
and he just hauled off and firedthe guy.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, I think that does play in to a degree.
Certainly, even though he's 40years old, you go out and get
Aaron Rodgers and you have allthese expectations of getting to
the playoffs and making andwinning a Super Bowl.
I don't know if that was everreality, even if he doesn't get
hurt the way that the team wasrun.
It's interesting because Woody,getting the ambassador position
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you would think would havemaybe have been a blessing in
disguise for the Jets that hewouldn't be as involved meddling
with the coaching staff andeveryday decisions and
operations would be a good thing.
But I think also maybe theymissed the boat, maybe they just
wanted to keep things steadywhile he was busy doing whatever
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he does as an ambassador,because you could have made the
case that sailors should havebeen fired prior to that, and I
think that I think that's true,but I, at the point they were at
, I didn't really see it and notI'm really an expert on and we
all know he's not an expert,he's just has a lot of money.
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Yeah, and when sean paytonbecame available and ended up
going to the broncos, I thoughtthat was a mistake by the jets.
And that's because he's aproven winner.
He was on parcells coachingstaff at one point.
He's a football genius.
He's got the respect of hisplayers and his coaches.
He knows how to win games andsale Sale.
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At that moment, look, you wantto give the guy a chance.
But when a coach of thatcaliber becomes available, those
are the decisions thatownership has to be ready to
make.
Is this guy our coach of thefuture?
Are we giving him one morechance or are we taking a chance
on a proven commodity andpulling the trigger now?
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And the Jets?
They fell short of that.
I do see Aaron Glenn higher forthe Jets.
I think he's going to lovebeing here.
I don't think he's afraid ofthe media.
I think he'll take all comers.
I think he's going todiscipline that locker room and
hold them accountable, much likeDan Campbell does in Detroit.
I think that's something theJet culture needs.
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Certainly, the culture in thebuilding has to change In the
long run.
Does Aaron Glenn accomplishthat?
I don't know.
I don't know if he has thegravitas that someone from the
Parcells tree necessarily has,although you could say I guess
Aaron did Aaron Glenn play forParcells when he was with the
Jets.
I think he must have.
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I believe aaron glenn is adisciplined guy and he's going
to hold players accountable.
I think that's something thatyou just won't see somebody at
the microphone every weekdodging questions and saying
things like would have, couldhave, should have.
He'll hold people accountableand put their feet to the fire I
think there's something to that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I think I don't.
Don't know if you could see theAaron Glenn stats here.
So he played with the Jets from94 to 2001.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, so he was there with Parcells in 98.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So I don't know how well you could see that.
So that's part of it.
I think the hiring of AaronGlenn clearly is the thing you'd
have to do.
If you're not going to give thefans what they want, you're
going to give them somebody theylike.
Yeah, and they like Aaron Glenn.
I like Aaron Glenn and he's areal player.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Oh yeah, he was a hell of a player.
He was a hell of a player.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
He was a hell of a player.
He always had competition beingcompared to others like
Grievous, but I thought he was astand-up guy and he had heart,
something the Jets just haven'thad.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No, they haven't.
They really haven't.
You can't even say that theyshow glimpses of it anywhere,
because they have so many clownson the field the last five or
ten years.
It's it just the one guy has tolead the locker room, and if
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the one guy isn't a guy withintegrity that holds people
accountable, the locker room islost no matter what.
Very few times in the historyof the nfl can you have a group
of guys that are all differentpersonalities without at least
having one guy lead the lockerroom.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So I guess they're putting a lot of faith too in
the two draft picks they hadthis year for the offensive line
that they're looking to startwith correct.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, one is the big left tackle.
I don't want to butcher hisname.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I know I read it too.
I was hoping you'd do correct.
Yeah, One is the big lefttackle.
I don't want to butcher hisname.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I know, I read it too .
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I was hoping you knew it.
Yeah, ulu Fashinu.
Yeah yeah, and there's a lot ofthought about him that he's
going to be what you're lookingfor.
He's an offensive tackle.
He's 6'6", 3'12" Big boy.
He's an offensive tackle.
He's 6'6", 3'12" Big boy.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
He's a big boy.
I liked his comment and he metat Penn State.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
He had a good year this year and they were a great
running team, as well aseverything else.
I think that says a lot forthis guy.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
His comments.
When they asked him aboutgiving up a sack.
I think he was the one he saidgo look at the tape.
I didn't let up a sack and hetalks the talk and he can walk
the walk.
They need somebody to galvanizethat offensive line and anchor
it and if they can get that lefttackle position solidified, not
only to protect the quarterbackbut also to establish the run
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game and keep other guys healthy.
Once you have guys locked intoa position and they don't have
to rotate every week or fill inhere and put another guy there,
that next man up thing only goesso far when you've got injuries
.
When you've got somebody tostabilize especially your
offensive line, you're able todo more because there's
continuity there that you haveplay in, play out, weekend, week
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out, it's.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
it makes a difference in the long run for sure and
then the other side is the othernew draft pick, armand mambo,
mambo, yeah, yeah.
So he's six, four, three,thirty two, come on so that
should.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
His tape indicates that not only can he protect the
quarterback but that he maulspeople, he gets underneath guys.
He's got you know they call itfootwork.
He's got a good base, but youdon't see him off balance a lot.
He's very good in the run, hegets up on guys pretty quickly
and another, another one whojust you know accountability.
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He's an accountability guy andthey're going to need that.
Now you can put Elijah VeraTucker somewhere on that
offensive line where he can playone position and be good at it,
and his versatility doesn'thave to put him in harm's way,
so to speak.
Because once these guys startbouncing around from position to
position making up for somebodyelse who's injured right now,
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they have a clear cut, at leaston paper, who's starting at what
position and if they can stayhealthy again.
Those are all big ifs,especially with the Jets every
year.
If this, if that.
But yeah, that offensive lineis poised to really solidify
itself and make someimprovements on their offense.
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For sure.
They've got two guys they havein the backfield are compliments
to one another, very similar tohaving, I would say, priest
Holmes and Jamal Lewis when theRavens won the Super Bowl in
2000.
We didn't know yet that boththose guys were going to be Hall
of Famers.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
And I'm not saying these guys are.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I'm just saying that their talent level is indicative
of those two.
One is a speedster he can catchthe ball out of the backfield,
he's shifty, he can break away.
He's got speed.
And then the kid from Wisconsinhe's deceptively fast for a big
guy and he'll probably vulturetouchdowns in the goal line
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situations.
But he's every bit as tough asa running back for a young guy
that I've seen in the NFL in awhile and he's a bruiser in his
own right.
So I think they have a nicecomplement there.
They added somebody else who Ithink will be like their third
down back.
But either of those guys can bethe third down back, depending
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on the situation, how they wantto use them.
So right now, again, it's onpaper.
It's the offseason, the Jetsare making some moves and they
look fairly decent.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
And it's funny because some of the main
complaint against Fields andlet's say Fields is going to
start right.
He was the guy.
He's the guy we think.
I don't know what you think,but he seems to be top draft
pick for Pittsburgh.
They put all their eggs in hisbasket, but the complaint about
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him has always been that hedoesn't haul off and throw the
long ball.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, he doesn't have that in his repertoire.
He's not necessarily agunslinger, he's very much a
system quarterback.
He's also had what?
Five or six different offensivecoordinators at this point in
his career.
For a young guy, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I would probably liken it to somebody like Alex
Smith in terms of thesimilarities between the start
to their careers.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
At least it seems like there's some possibilities
there.
You picked up some defense.
The Jets fan base always loveda great pass rush right.
They always had a great passrush, even going back to the
right, and even going back tothe 69 team, where they had big
time players and really keptthem in the game and some of
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that won the super bowl for himright so in 69 that and the
gambling maybe a little.
I don't know that much aboutgambling, so let's leave that
aside, but I I think there'ssome hope on that team.
And then you look at the Giants.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The Giants are a lot of promise.
I thought they picked the rightguy in the draft when they got
Abdul Carter.
I think he adds a tremendousaspect to their defense.
I think he's going to open upthings for other players.
Specifically, what's the otherguy's name that they drafted
high number five, thibodeau,kayvon Thibodeau.
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Yeah, I think that'll make hima little more flexible.
Now he's going to see a littlebit more one-on-one and it's
time to shine for them up front.
Defensively.
Offensively as far as theirsecondary is concerned, that
probably leaves a little bit tobe desired, but up front, if
they can get to the quarterback,it's going to help keep them in
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games.
They'll be competitive.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Offensively they're still yeah, the offensive line
really hasn't been helped.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
No, I don't think it's lived up to its potential
in the last five or ten seasons,and that's been unusual because
the Giants typically have goodoffensive lines.
That's kind of part of theiridentity.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
That and a defense.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, usually a team is well built all around, even
though maybe their identity isone side of the football.
But the Giants seem to havebeen making up for all the
losses since Reese was out,gettleman was in and it just has
never.
It's never worked.
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It hasn't been something youwant to look forward to every
week and go watch and see themget better.
They don't get better.
They're just out there playingfootball and each week it's.
Are they going to win this week?
Are they not going to win thisweek?
Maybe they'll be in the game,maybe they'll score points,
maybe they won't score points.
Can we have a passing touchdown?
There's never a compliment or astepping stone, whereas you
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watch the Eagles get betterevery year.
For the last five years they'retremendous.
Washington now looks like worldbeaters, even though maybe
they're still behind Philly inthe division, but they can play
with anybody in this leagueright now and you can see them
getting better, going forward,whereas the Giants.
Can we at least stabilize theship?
Can we find our way throughthis trough of water and not get
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crashed by a huge wave?
I think Giant fans are holdingtheir breath.
They want to see that defenseat least at front seven.
I think they're excited aboutit, and they should be.
They're going to have to buildto make that work, and when you
get a new quarterback, that's athree-year project.
It's not like they're built towin a Super Bowl and you can
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just go out and get a free agentquarterback to come in here and
manage the offense.
They're building a new offensefrom the ground up without a
solidified unit in terms oftheir offensive line.
We really don't know whatJackson Dart has in terms of
ability outside of the collegegame.
I hate to compare him to ZachWilson.
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He had some moments on filmthat looked great.
Other times not so much.
How do you coach those badthings out of him?
How do you coach good thingsinto him?
Do the Giants have a coachingstaff that can do those things I
do?
I was very turned off to thegeneral manager when I watched
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hard knocks.
He's sitting there with hisfeet up on the desk and he calls
Saquon Barkley basically totell him to go scratch because
you have a player of thatcaliber.
You don't just call them andsay, hey, this is our offer, you
can go look somewhere else.
You, that's a guy.
You got to go knock on his doorand say look, this is where
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we're at.
We're at X amount of millionsof dollars.
We don't want to go to the nextlevel and this is why.
But I came here to look you inthe eye and tell you face to
face and that, to me, is how youhandle a situation like that.
And when Mara came into the tothe guy's office I hope we don't
lose him to Philly he shouldhave picked up the phone right
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then and said we're going togive you the $2 million, please
come back.
They shot themselves in thefoot in a big way with their fan
base, with the franchise.
I think they've taken somemajor steps back and I'm not
saying that Saquon Stang wouldhave won them a Super Bowl or
even the division.
But I think the way theyhandled that was poor and I
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don't see the light at the endof the tunnel there, or the
forest through the trees, if youwill.
It seems.
If those are the types of moveshe's going to make and that's
going to be his attitude, it'sgoing to sink Dableship
eventually.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Saquon's a multi-generational talent.
There's no question aboutquestion about that.
He did at least one thing.
That's become his rear.
Jump over the guy, it'ssomething that's going to be.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You're going to see that in video games.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
You're going to see that forever.
Yeah, you're going to be seeingthat 20 years from now.
The Spinarama back hurdle andhe could have sent the season
record.
If they didn't sit him, yeah,which?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
was his decision which makes him record if they
didn't sit him.
Yeah, which was his decision,which makes him.
It makes it raises his level ofa teammate and a player far
beyond anything you could hopefor.
When you're drafting these guys, you don't know you're drafting
that to me.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
That's the issue.
If I'm a player and we all knowin football it's once go around
, you're as good as your lastplay Barely any contracts are
guaranteed, unless you're asuperstar, Somewhat guaranteed.
You're out and no other sport.
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You're really risking your bodyand maybe more your body.
Sometimes you're risking yourlife and we've seen it on live
television.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
No question about it.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
So if you're going to take a guy like Saquon who you
really haven't given a fairshake to, you never gave him a
line, you never protected hisbody, you never really offered
him anything he didn't succeedfor sure.
You kind of hung him out thereto drive, and that's a good way
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to put it.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
He never gave him you could see it in the way he
played, because he was alwaysfelt like he was trying to do
more than he could because heknew he had to, whereas with the
eagles he fits in their scheme,the holes are there.
He doesn't really have to besuperman, even though he's more
likely to be superman nowbecause he's more likely to be
Superman now because he'sprotected and they open holes
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for him, they block downfield,they do all those little things
and then, as a result, you seethe spin and the backwards
hurdle.
You weren't going to see thatwith the Giants.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Right, listen, it's easy to say Philadelphia had the
best offensive line and thathelped make him great.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's easy to say that they have a quarterback that
could do the running gun orwhatever you want to call it,
and that could run and split outand take some of the pressure
off him.
That's true.
There's a lot of things youcould say, and you can also say
the giants never did any of thatfor him.
The Philadelphia offensive lineis probably the best offensive
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line, at least since the Dallasoffensive line of five, six,
seven years ago, when they had agreat line and still couldn't
win.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That offensive line was tremendous.
I think it took a little timefor them to put together the
rest of the compliments on theiroffense.
And then when they had it, romogot hurt and they still went
13-3.
And it was looking like, wow,are they really going to make
the Super Bowl?
Because they were certainly aSuper Bowl contender in terms of
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talent on the field, even theircoaching.
You've got to give them credit.
But in the end it was Romo notbeing there.
I think that's even moreapparent when you listen to him
on the broadcast how smart he iswhen he breaks down these plays
.
He's giving away information somuch that they had to tell him
to tone it down.
But he sees the field likenobody else.
And if that's the way he was inthe huddle and on the field,
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then he almost had some reallyunfortunate strings of bad luck
right being the placeholder andstill being in the game and
you're the starting quarterback.
There's no backup for theplaceholder.
But he did drop the ball, butyour starting quarterback should
not be the placeholder on thekicking team.
That could be a coaching thing,that could be just an
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unfortunate incident.
That I don't really think washis fault, and there's other
things like guys dropping ballsand the fumble where the guy
dropped the ball, running intothe end zone.
He picked it up and was tryingto score and there was just some
really unfortunate things that,for whatever reason, seemed to
happen to him that I don'treally think were entirely his
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fault, and then when theyfinally had a window and
everyone was healthy, he gothurt.
It's unfortunate, but sometimesthat's the way the cookie
crumbles.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
No question.
But I think also Jerry Jones isa strange guy and I know I'm
not talking out of school orsaying anything.
Anybody ever know All the moneyhe has and he spends, and he's
known for spending, but at theend of the day he gets cheap.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, and I think he does that to himself.
And I think if you circle backand look what the Jets just did,
does that to himself.
And I think if you circle backand look what the Jets just did,
you know that they offeredthese contract extensions is
forward thinking, something theJets have never done.
And when you look at JerryJones, he always waits it out
and he'll wait until he priceshimself out of the market and
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instead of addressing thecontract concerns when they
arise.
Now, a lot of it is mediadriven and he thumbs his nose at
the media.
So he takes it with a grain ofsalt.
The talking heads, which heprobably should do, but the
forward thinking people in theroom are just are not there.
It's him, and I think he's lostthe handle on how it works and
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he puts himself in thesepositions where he's trading
away talent or not bringingtalent back.
He gets all excited about adraft pick and the guy's in on
the team three years later andhe's playing somewhere else and
it continues to happen.
It's not like a one-time thing.
Amari Cooper and CeeDee Lamband all these big talents that
they've had are all elsewhere.
And it's not just that position.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
There's other positions too, and they're going
to lose their biggest defensiveplayer.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I'll tell you where he goes would be interesting.
You're talking about MikaParsons, right?
Yeah, yeah, because the Giantshanded him over on a silver
platter to the Cowboys.
They ran to the podium to getMika Parsons.
I think the Giants are going toregret that for a long time,
but we'll see what happens.
I think, jerry, like you said,he gets tight, he gets cheap.
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He looks like we haven't wonanything with you, so I can get
rid of you and find somebodyelse that can do a better job
for less money.
Where it's wait a minute, youhave a player here that can help
you win, and it's not like youhave a logjam of players where
you have to make room forsomebody.
There's room here for the guy.
Just pay him.
You just have to be ahead ofthe curve, and the Cowboys have
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not been ahead of the curve atall when it comes to taking care
of paying their own players,and they lose a lot of talent as
a result.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
It almost you almost think it's Jerry's ego that he
doesn't like anybody bigger thanthe bigger than him.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Oh no question.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
He doesn't let players get to that point where
they can criticize Jerry almost,and no one would but undermine
him a little bit maybe is abetter word and he always knocks
the big guys down to size andboasts about the people that he
overpays for that everybody'sscratching their head about yeah
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, yeah, I think that wasprobably more apparent with
terrell owens in terms of someplayer challenging him, and
obviously Terrell Owens wantedto win.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
He wasn't there just to collect a paycheck, Obviously
he was looking for the mostmoney.
But you bring that guy in, youknow what you're getting and
you're getting a premier talentand the way it ended was like
wow, what happened there?
And Terrell was still fairlysuccessful after he left Dallas.
It was never more apparent.
I think that there was aproblem in Dallas and Jerry was
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the problem when that went downand it's gotten worse since then
.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I agree, and since we all of a sudden started to go
around the league and I knowwe're talking about football in
the middle of baseball season,but it seems to be what's on
everybody's minds at the moment,it's what america stops and
watches and baseball just seemsto be something else entirely.
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It's gotten to be and I blamethe commissioner on that, but
that's a whole, nother story butthe, the other teams around the
league now.
So you have almost a disrespectof the quarterback from
Philadelphia Hertz, almost atotal disrespect.
This week where a poll came outwhere the New York, I'm sorry
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where executives and owners allrated him, as I don't know if it
was number nine or number eightof of future quarterbacks that
they would use for their team, Ithink one was.
One was obviously mahomes, whois ever.
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Yeah, and then josh allen, whoplayed his heart out and didn't
win.
I blame his coach.
It's easy to blame the coach onthat.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, I think he's like a level two type coach.
They've had some really goodtalent and other assistance on
the coaching staff the lastthree, four years and they have
some players that I don'tparticularly care for.
I think it's Flowers is the onewho's always pointing after a
first down and spiking the balland not holding onto the ball in
big spots.
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But Josh Allen does play hisheart out and listening to
coaches that I know they're inagreement that coaching is more
responsible for their failuresthan their lack of play on the
field.
Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I mean, it seems like if you're looking at
quarterbacks, you have some bigdecisions to make.
Are you making?
Here?
It is execs, coaches and scoutsrank.
So number one and this has beenall is obviously Mahomes.
Number two, josh Allen.
And can you flip those two?
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I don't think so, because JoshAllen hasn't done what Mahomes
is, Though he's a great talentand he's made things happen.
Everybody remembers the Mahomesmiracle plays where he wins the
game in the last, whatever.
It was 16, 23 seconds orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
And the Phantom holding him, yeah, passing the
three-inch calls.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
So the third quarterback they have is Joe
Burrows, which I mean he's got alot of talent right.
He took the team to the SuperBowl.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
But didn't win.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, so that's interesting.
And Lamar Jackson I know hehasn't won the big game and he
hasn't got his team to the SuperBowl, maybe like Burroughs, and
that's the difference betweenthe two of them, but he's some
talent.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Incredible talent, incredible athlete.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I would love to hear a team say we wouldn't take him
if we had the opportunity to gethim.
I think every team in the NFLwould grab him.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
No question about it.
Just a year ago we were talkingabout the Jets reaching out and
trying to grab him becauseBaltimore wasn't going to pay
him and it would be crazy not to.
Like you said before,generational talent, I think.
If you had to find something toknock him on, I think it would
be his passing accuracy, maybehis decision-making, reading
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defenses, but that level oftalent can usually play itself
out of the situation more timesthan that.
But the deeper you go into theplayoffs, the less likely you're
going to be able to get awaywith that, and I think that
they've created an environmentthere where they can,
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offensively, they can scorepoints with anybody, week in and
week out.
They just have yet to not onlyget over the hump in terms of
closing out these gamesoffensively, but defensively.
They're not the same Ravens asthey were in 2000, or even in
was it 2009,?
I think they won the Super Bowlwhen they had Ed Mead.
They were still known for theirdefense, whereas now they're
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not that same Ravens defensewith that defensive prowess.
And a lot falls on theshoulders of Lamar Jackson and
when he gets figured out itseems like he gets very
frustrated and it's hard for himto come out of that hole.
But it usually only takes oneplay to change his attitude, to
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jumpstart the offense, to getthem going.
So the coaching staff I'm sureis aware of that.
If I can see that sitting on mycouch on Sunday, I'm sure they
see it.
They have to continue to.
Their offense is tremendous.
They can score it when theywant to.
I think they just have to beaware that they can't run the
same thing every week.
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They're going to have to find adifferent wrinkle here and a
different wrinkle there and geteverybody involved.
And I don't know they're goingto have to coach through his
lack of accuracy.
Whether that means getting themin and throwing more passes in
practice and throwing the ballthrough the moving tire, I don't
know.
But they get paid a lot morethan I do to do that.
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I don't do that for a livinganymore.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
So what I find interesting is Jalen Hurts on
this list.
I just can't so.
The reason you put Burrow aheadof Lamar is because he's made
it to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, how is Hurts not in it?
If that's the case, then youknow you could make the argument
for Josh Allen to be number one, but he's not.
And you could make the argumentfor Josh Allen to be number one
, but he's not.
And I think Hurts, I think heloses points with talking heads,
people who make these lists,because he's not.
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He's pretty young, but he's not.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Hurts, but he's pretty young, he's a good player
.
He's a good player.
Number five on the list isJaden Daniels.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
You don't put Hertz before Daniels, I wouldn't put
Daniels ahead of him.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
So next is Matt.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Stafford.
I'm biased because I loveMatthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I know he's not the same quarterback that he was.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
If you had this list even five years ago, I would say
no, he deserves to be in thetop five.
Now, if you wanted to tell mehe didn't belong in the top ten,
I would argue to the deathbecause I love him so much.
But yeah, I would put at thispoint I would take Hurts.
He's younger.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Stafford's 37.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah he's not a young man anymore.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
So after Stafford is Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I just don't who made this list.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
NFL.
It was a poll of Let me read itNFL execs, coaches and scouts.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Okay, so you probably waited here a little bit.
They're probably taking intoaccount the tush push.
They're holding that againsthim.
Coaches and scouts Okay, so youprobably waited here a little
bit.
They're probably taking intoaccount the tush push.
They're holding that againsthim.
But I would have no problemright now with the guys you
already gave me him being in thetop five for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Wait so Matt Stafford , and listen, he's a great
quarterback.
Great Justin Herbert is numberseven.
Doesn't belong there.
I agree.
Talent Jared Goff is numbereight.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That's inexcusable.
I'm sorry.
I know Goff had a good seasonand he's playing with the right
guy but that's absurd.
Jalen.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Hurts.
Last year he had honorablemention on the list and he's
been rated as high as sixth, butthe guy won a Super Bowl
they're holding against him.
They had an amazing team aroundhim.
They had an incredibleoffensive line.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I think there's a lot of doubters out there for a
variety of reasons, guess what?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Every team that wins the Super Bowl has an amazing
offensive line.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Right, you can't get there without it.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
And then after him.
Now think of the drop-off.
Here Hertz is number nine.
Number 10 is Baker Mayfield,Ahead of Jalen Hertz.
No behind.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Like a fantasy league .
No.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Is this based on fantasy?
Espn has been talking about itall week, so here's honorable
mention.
Let's go through it.
Cj Stroud, I love that guy.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I think he's honorable mention let's go
through it.
Cj stroud, I love that guy Ithink he's good yeah, yeah, a
rough year last year, but andjordan love he's coming, I would
put him ahead of goth.
I would put him ahead of who wasthe one before that.
I just I don't.
That's.
That's interesting.
You can see, like I said beforeabout teams getting better, you
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can see when they're gettingbetter.
Even if they're not winning,they start to do things better.
I think a classic example issomebody like Eli Manning, who
took more criticism than hedeserved the first five years of
his career and that old adageabout the five-year plan.
I remember calling my buddy,who's a huge Giants fan, and
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saying so what's the deal?
Are they going to get over thehump this year?
Are they going to win a playoffgame?
Maybe a little Super Bowlaction?
And he was, oh, I don't know,We'll see.
And I certainly didn't expectthe Giants to win the Super Bowl
that year against an undefeatedPatriots team with Randy Moss
and company.
But you could see the level ofplay had taken a step forward.
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You could see that Eli hadprogressed and was doing things
that previously were in question.
And if you can do those thingsas a quarterback in this league
and progress, you should wingames theoretically.
Now there are certain thingsthat some of the guys in that
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list you just mentioned.
They're not getting better.
They might be in a bettersituation, but there's still
things that they can't do.
Baker may still have gottenbetter, but he was in a better
situation.
I wouldn't say he's better thanJalen Hurts by any stretch.
Can he play in this league?
Sure Did he have fantasy pointslast year through the roof, but
what does that have to do withwinning games on Sunday and
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being the guy you'd want as yourfranchise guy?
I just don't understand that.
And Jalen Hurts is a good guyoff the field, so you want all
of that stuff that should factorwhen you're making a decision
on who you want to playquarterback for your team.
So I don't not knocking theother guys, saying that they're
not good guys, but I just don'tsee how he's so far down on that
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list.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Are there any other teams you want to think that are
making all the right moves ormaking great moves are going to
be greatly increased?
I know people say Pittsburgh.
I'm not so sure.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
You watch out for teams that have good coaches and
good quarterbacks, like theRams.
I think you watch out for ateam like the Texans and CJ
Stroud, because it looks likethey might be coming on.
They've got Nico Collins inthat offense.
They've got a decent runningback.
Their defense seemed to getbetter a little bit.
Miami's a wild card.
You don't know what you'regoing to get.
The coach is an eclectic guy,so they have a tremendous amount
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of talent.
I think the Redskins aredefinitely the Redskins
conceivably could win thedivision this year, not knocking
the Eagles, but the Eagles didhave some losses and nobody has
won that division two years in arow in a very long time.
That's not to say the Eaglescan't do it, but I wouldn't be
surprised if the Redskins made arun at the division, because
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the Giants and the Cowboys arejust awful.
The AFC West is alwaysintriguing because you never
know.
Even with the Chiefs you neverknow what's going to happen.
But can the Chargers, can theyget over the hump?
Can Justin Herbert earn hisnumber seven spot or six spot,
whatever it is on that list?
Do they have the talent to makethat happen?
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What about Denver?
Denver's well coached.
They got much better.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
last year they showed a great improvement and
everybody's talking about Nix,their quarterback Yep, and he's
in an aggressive state.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
What is?
This?
his fourth season, so he's 25years old yeah that's where you
want to be in the five-year plan.
You want your quarterback tokeep making progressions.
Sophomore slump is one thing,but year three you have to see
them turn the corner.
It doesn't mean they have to gowin an MVP, it just means that
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you have to find something thatthey do that makes you think he
got better and you can hang yourhat going forward.
And then now, if this is hisfourth or fifth season, if he
eliminates mistakes that he'smade in the past and they coach
that out of him and his talentlevel reaches the level of play
in the NFL, there's no reasonwhy they can't be competitive
and look to win a playoff gameor at least be in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Atlanta.
You never could figure out whatthey're doing, why they do it.
I don't even know if it's worthdiscussion.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
That division, the yo-yo division, every year
somebody else wins the division.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You're right, or they play great during the year,
make it all the way to the SuperBowl and then winning, and then
decide to go home in the middleof the game.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Again, that's on the coach.
Absolutely Run the football.
What are you doing?
Sometimes it's just soglaringly obvious they out-coach
themselves.
I think they forget.
Sometimes there's just you knowwho they are.
Where they are, an ego takesover and they want to be the
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smartest guy in the room insteadof being the safest guy, or the
decisions that they makesometimes in these spots are
egregious to me and they shouldbe held accountable and fired
and all that stuff.
That's part of the process.
Hard to get over, those losses,don't get past them anyway.
Hard and it sticks with the fanbase.
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It sticks with the fan base.
It's winning and losing is afine line.
You look at people talk aboutyankee fans how we are yankee
fans living in the past.
They expect to win the WorldSeries every year.
That's our standard.
Why are we playing?
Why are we going to theballpark?
Why do we buy all these jerseys?
Because we win and we want tokeep winning and we want to win
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championships.
We're not here because it's anice day.
We're not here to see Aaron.
Case in point, aaron Judge ishaving an all time fantastic
great.
His name is up there with RuthGary.
It's beyond Willie Mays name,somebody in the upper echelon of
the Hall of Fame players,because nowadays anybody gets in
but his name is up there withthe greats of all time in terms
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of the season he's having.
And it won't mean a damn thingto Yankee fans if they don't win
the World Series.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
And the teams you talked about last year.
There's also everybody'stalking about the Patriots, that
the quarterback is here to stayand he's going to have the year
of his life, which to me is thekiss of death.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Jones.
Yeah, I don't see thathappening.
I don't know that he's matchedprogression with guys like
jordan love or jalen hurts oreven jane daniels at this point,
and he's only been around for ayear, basically, I think.
I think there's a lot ofquestion marks there.
I think they're hoping thattheir coach can sustain winning
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and the culture and we have tomove past the Belichick years.
But I listen, they want enough.
They can suffer.
As far as I'm concerned, Wait.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
So here are the odds.
Right, this draft King sport,not draft Kings, a fan dual
sports book.
So division winners AFC EastBuffalo minus two, 80.
Okay, new England plus five.
I need new glasses 550.
Miami plus 750.
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Jets plus 1,700.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I would say that the best bet there is Miami, just
because of their coaching andthey have talent, but you know,
ifua falls over the wrong way,the season's over.
So I think that's why they're.
And that is it.
And that factors.
I know sometimes you have totake the injury stuff out of it
and just be a little bit morepragmatic about it, but in terms
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of gambling odds that's goingto factor.
I wouldn't have a problemputting money on Miami.
That's really the safe bet.
In terms of the three longshots the Jets are.
They're not there.
They're just not there.
They've got a lot to lookforward to, but they're not
winning the division.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
So AFC South Texans plus 110.
I don't know how everybody canbe a plus, but they are.
Jacksonville Jaguars plus 300.
We didn't talk about them atall, but I don't see any need.
Indianapolis Colts another teamplus 310.
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And Tennessee Titans plus 780.
That's the AFC.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
South.
What did I say?
And the Titans are plus 780?
.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
So the Texans are the favorite.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Texans are the favorite.
I like the Texans, I do too.
That's all in the quarterback,but they're still plus.
That's probably the best betthere, because it's still plus.
Where you have AFC North isRavens minus 145.
Bengals plus 240, steelers plus500, and Browns plus 3,100.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Forget the Browns, they're not going anywhere.
I think the Steelers are fool'sgold.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, so AFC West Kansas City plus 115.
Wow, Chargers plus 310.
Maybe that's a minus.
It is a minus 115.
Chargers plus 310.
Denver plus 340.
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Raiders plus 1,200.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, forget about the Raiders.
I think I would look for Denverto make a move there if you
wanted to increase your odds interms of getting a payout.
And the Chiefs?
I know they're not the same andthey lost a couple of pieces
here, but they still have enoughtalent on the field where you
have to go beat them.
I don't see the Chargers.
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I love Jim Harbaugh, so unlesshe can, what's this year two?
Is this his second year?
Yeah, it's his second year.
If he can stabilize thatfranchise and work the kinks out
of Justin Herbert, make himbetter, which he seems to do
with quarterbacks, can they winthe division?
I think they probably have moretalent maybe than Denver.
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Those two are going to fight itout to see who dethrones the
Chiefs, if anyone does.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
NFC Ready.
We'll end on just going throughthis stuff.
Sure NFC Eagles Ready.
We'll end on just going throughthis stuff.
Sure NFC Eagles minus 135.
Washington Commanders plus 210.
That may be a good bet.
It's always possible somebodygets hurt and everything shifts.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, I'm definitely not taking the Giants or the
Cowboys to win that division,and if I was trying to hit
lightning in a bottle, I wouldput money on the Redskins.
I think that's probably, of allthe divisions that we discussed
so far, that team in particularis poised to surprise everyone
this year, I think.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
So Dallas is plus 550 .
And I don't have to tell youwhat the Giants are plus 2,500.
So the North Lions 185, plus,185, minus, plus whatever I need
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to make these bigger so I cansee them.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
I thought I had a magnifying glass here.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
I don't so.
Green Bay plus 280.
Vikings plus, I'm sorry, plus260, Green Bay Vikings plus 270.
And Bears plus 550.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, the Bears I'm surprised they're even that high
.
Very interesting stuff, right.
The Vikings I thought for surethat they were going to make a
move for Aaron Rodgers because Ithought that they were that
close last year and it madesense, but they obviously went a
different direction.
I thought bringing Rodgers inwould have been a good idea
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because JJ McCarthy's coming offthat horrible injury and I'm
not a believer in throwing aquarterback right back out there
, especially a young guy Missedhis rookie season with the
injury.
He needs a mentor Again.
Go back to the Giants when theyhad Kurt Warner.
He was there to steady the ship, right the ship.
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Give Eli a chance to catch upwith the playbook before turning
the reins over, which was theirintention all along, and I
didn't have a problem with that.
I thought Kurt Warner was agood quarterback.
He certainly proved that he's aHall of Famer.
Should have won the Super Bowlagainst the Steelers.
But as far as the Vikings areconcerned, I'm a big Michigan
fan, so I really do JJ.
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So I'm biased, but he's a verytenacious player.
He's somebody that I thinkwould benefit from having had a
mentor and not just being throwninto the fire.
He played for.
Harbaugh coached him very well.
I would stay away from theVikings this year.
In terms of betting on the windof the vision, I just don't
think it's a reality.
I think JJ will play well, butwe'll see.
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With an injury like that, younever know what's going to
happen to a guy.
Maybe they want to know soonerrather than later.
That's why they didn't go afterAaron Rodgers, or maybe they
just were trying to avoid thecircus altogether with Aaron
Rodgers.
But I thought, regardless ofthe history with the Jets and
everything else and Brett Favreand whatever, I thought that
would have been a good move forthem to make in terms of JJ's
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progression.
So the Packers played very welllast year and the Lions have
lost a couple pieces and theyseem to be on the fringe of.
Are they still on the rise orare they on the downturn?
And I wouldn't.
I would put money on thePackers this year.
I wouldn't.
Somebody wanted to bet divisionwinners and you chose the
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Packers.
I wouldn't have a problem withthat at all.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
I think that's also a good bet, better than some of
the others.
So, moving to the south, tampaBay Bucks plus 110.
Atlanta Falcons plus 220.
Carolina Panthers plus 350.
New England Saints, new OrleansSense plus 1,100.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
So this is the division that flip-flops every
year, right Every year.
At least that was the case afew years back.
You went from worst to firstevery year.
Not sure I see that happeningthis year.
I don't think Tampa, I don'tthink any of these teams are
great to begin with.
I think they're just.
No one in this division iswinning 11 games.
I think these are all nine.
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Maybe at best a 10-win teamcomes out of that conference or
that division to win thedivision.
I think it's more of acrapshoot than the odds indicate
.
But New Orleans is interesting,but I don't see them getting
out of their own way.
I think they're still living inthe wake of quarterback
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controversy and losing the headcoach.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
I think the best thing that they could win is
possibly a wild-card spot.
I don't think they're evercoming into that division,
especially with Tampa Bay there.
If they're healthy, their coachseems to at least get them to
the playoffs.
Yeah, they've got a good staffthere.
So, last but least, the WestLos Angeles Rams plus 175.
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San Francisco 49ers plus 165.
Arizona Cardinals plus 420.
I think they would sell thatquarterback or give that
quarterback away to anybody.
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They made some real bad movesthere.
And Seattle Seahawks plus 580.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, Seattle traded away some talent.
I think they traded Metcalf tothe Steelers or he could leave
as a free agent.
Seattle's interesting becausewhat are you going to get from
their quarterback?
They've got the coach.
I don't think anybody'snecessarily running away with
that division, although the lastfew years the 49ers have really
been like the cream of the cropthere Well-coached, managed
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team, their executive staff Verygood.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
General manager, vice president of operations just
really top-notch yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
The Rams, pound for pound, might have the best coach
in the league, and when they'rehealthy and they have all their
pieces, they're virtuallyimpossible to beat.
Yeah, matthew Stafford, likeyou said before, 37 years old,
so he's not exactly in his primeanymore, but they have weapons.
They're not a team that'safraid to go get a piece if they
need it.
But I don't know, can theysustain winning into the trade
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deadline long enough to make ithappen?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
I believe in Stafford , like you do.
I think he's a class act.
I think he's a greatquarterback.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, yeah, most likely the 49ers division to
lose.
I would say at this point I'dlike to see the schedule because
you never know, Maybe the Ramshave an easier schedule up front
and they get a piece orsomething to put them over the
top.
Who?
Speaker 1 (56:46):
knows.
Okay, we'll end it on this Feetto the fire.
What are the two teams in theSuper Bowl?
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Feet to the fire.
Two Super Bowl teams I don'tthink the Chiefs are done yet
terrorizing us, I hate to saythat.
So I think the Chiefs and inthe NFC it's hard to get past
the Eagles because of howwell-oiled they are.
And if Jalen Hurts takes a lookat this list and you light a
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fire under his ass, all you needto do is give a guy like that a
chip on his shoulder andsomething to play for.
They're going to come out tohurt you.
So I think they will have theirhands full with the Redskins in
that division.
But ultimately they're theclass of the NFC right now and
they really didn't lose much.
I think it's unfortunately arepeat offense.
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I'll give the Ravens maybe ashout-out there as an honorable
mention from the AFC, but theChiefs and the Eagles are still
here to stay.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
So I believe the exact same thing.
I think the Chiefs and theeagles I know I really went out
on a limb I know, I believe thechances of a super bowl
reoccurring are slim, right,yeah, giving injuries and all
those things.
I think I believe that it's thechiefs.
I don't know.
We'll have to see what theiroffensive line is.
We'll'll have to see.
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If Kelsey came to play thisyear, oh, he's getting a $5
billion wedding in Bora.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
I think if you took the Chiefs and the Eagles off
the board and you had to picktwo other teams in the NFC,
you're probably looking at theLions and maybe an upstart young
upstart team.
We've seen second-yearquarterbacks go to the Super
Bowl, so I don't have a problemwith the Redskins being there.
They played very well last year.
They're going to get better, soI wouldn't have a problem with
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them being in that conversation.
And then whoever comes out ofthe NFC West is going to be
formidable.
But I think the Lions and theRedskins are two teams that you
have to really watch out for Inthe AFC.
Speaker 1 (58:48):
yeah, I agree with that.
I agree with that.
Right there, I think it's theLions or the other team, and in
the AFC, I think you can'tforget, josh Allen's got to be
looking for that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
It's the Bills right, they're always one short.
I think I would look.
If I'm going to look past theChiefs, it's the Ravens or the
Bills.
I think that's where theupstart new contestant would be.
I don't see it being the Texans, although I really like them, I
think they're still a year awayfrom really being a formidable
contender in the conference.
I think they're still a yearaway from really being a
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formidable contender in theconference.
I think they need a couple ofmore pieces.
Whether or not they add them,who knows?
And then, if Denver candethrone the Chiefs in the West,
that's certainly somebody tokeep an eye on, because they
have the pedigree in terms ofcoaching with Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
So that's where it is our first show in the can.
I can't believe it.
You did pretty well.
You went right through it Ididn't know anything, so I do a
good job of asking the questionsthat I don't know the answers
to anyway, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I had a great time.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Judge A little bit over.
So, everybody, so we're goingto have our live.
So everybody, so we're going tohave our live.
We're going to do a littlebetter about getting it out.
So we'll do.
This is today's the third.
We'll be on the first Tuesdayin August and we'll have a lot
more football to talk about,because things will be starting
to happen and we're I'm sorry,oh, I said oh, yeah, I'm
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agreeing.
So things are going to start tohappen and we're going to be
talking about more things.
We're going to have baseballteams going down the stretch.
I wanted to have a wholeconversation about the All-Star
games from all the sports, butwe could save that for another
day.
We'll see what happens tonight.
So we're going to be live andthen it's going to be recorded
and it's going to be availableon youtube.
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It's also a better life newyork podcast.
It'll all be recorded and audiowill be on all the major
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Justin um, thank you guys got abig cheer and remember to leave
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Let it finish uploading beforeit is so, before you get out of
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Thank you everyone for listening.
I'm not sure anybody was livebecause we didn't advertise it
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.
But we had some technicaldifficulties and we switched a
whole bunch of equipment around,but at the end of the day it
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worked out pretty well.
I thought yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I think, so I had a good time.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
I thought you did an amazing job.
I'll see you in a few minutes,yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I'll see you in a few .
I'm on my way.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Thanks, thanks everyone for listening.
Bye, thank you, we'll see younext time.
Hello everyone and welcome to a better life sports
live with my good friend, justin.
How are you, justin?
I'm good.
Your Thank you for having me on.
Are you going to start callingme that now?
Huh, I'm not quite sure ifwe're broadcasting or not
broadcasting.
It looks like we are.
It's running on my end.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
There's a count there .
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yep, it's running on my end too, but I don't really
see it on the website.
I could bring it up just as atest.
Let's do a new window just foraggravation sake.
Maybe there's a little bit of adelay, I don't know.
Welcome to our live.
Whoa, there you go, it's there.
So we're broadcasting live Niceto know, and we're in the
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beginning of what we're going tosay is a sports show.
Right now, we're going to tryto do this at least once a month
, at least for the beginning.
We're going to try to do twicea month First, third, second,
would we say First and third.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Tuesdays First and third Tuesday of the month.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
At 6 o'clock.
In between meetings.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
What In between meetings?
What In between meetings?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
In between meetings.
That's the thing.
Justin and I both belong tosome of the same social clubs.
That's part of it, and we'regoing to record this and put it
out on the air.
It'll be available in arecorded version even though we
didn't really publicize it.
So it's hard unless you're asubscriber to a Better Life New
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York podcast.
This is a supplemental group ofBetter Life New York called
Sports Live.
First thing maybe we could getinto and certainly it's one of
Justin's sore subjects and thatis our favorite football teams.
It seems to be the topic ofconversation, even though
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tonight is the all-star game forMajor League Baseball.
All day everyone's talkingabout football, but I guess
that's what makes the moneyright.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, it's certainly all about money.
Today's big news was Jetsrelated.
They don't usually have bignews, but it is the offseason.
That's usually the best season.
They signed two players thisweek, both former rookies of the
year.
They signed their big time widereceiver, garrett Wilson, to a
four-year extension, and todaythey signed Sauce Gardner to a
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four-year extension, making thehighest paid corner in football,
which for the Jets, I don'tknow.
That's a little laughable to me, but I do have to give them
credit, because they normallydon't go outside that box.
This is a new regime and youwould think maybe the new regime
would want to get away from theplayers that the previous
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general manager had taken on.
But it seems as though they areahead of the curve now because
in the long run they've addedfour years to both contracts.
So both players are stillplaying under a rookie contract
and if they finish out theextension, it'll actually save
the Jets money in the end, whichis not usually what the Jets do
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.
Usually they're buying playersto complete pieces.
They don't hold on to theirtalent, which is something I
think that drives the fan baseincredibly nuts to watch guys
play well and then leave and gosomewhere else and even win
championships.
Certainly Rivas comes to mind.
But Sauce Gardner we'll startthere.
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I guess he's not the talentthat Rivas was.
Completely different makeup as acorner Rivas was under six feet
.
An all-time cover corner.
Could lock up anybody.
Could play tight, could playman, could play off, can play
zone.
Could lock up anybody couldplay tight, could play man,
could play off, can play zone.
But Sauce Gardner typicallyplays about seven or eight yards
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off the football.
Very rarely do you see him lockanybody up in man coverage.
He gets beat a lot but he hasgreat recovery.
You usually don't see that interms of teams paying
cornerbacks for that kind oftalent.
Again, not knocking sauce.
But it's interesting because Ithink the Jets are telling you a
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couple things here.
They're willing to keep theirtalent now and this is going to
lay a format for the newcoaching staff.
Aaron Glenn is going to buildhis defense to his specs with
these players and he was willingto keep Sauce, which I think is
a big tell in terms of whatkind of defense they're going to
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run.
If they're going to run singlehigh, cover two.
Usually I think his format issingle high, so he's going to
have limited safety help overthe top, but Rivas plays off, so
he's usually good at coveringthe first move.
A double move, he's susceptibleto getting beat.
He's very handsy, which issomething that they criticize
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him about.
He gets away with a ton ofpounties and I don't know if
that's because of his namerecognition.
It's certainly something theJets love to sell.
Woody bought the big saucenecklace, all the bling.
He's definitely got swagger.
He talks the talk, but Iwouldn't put him in the elite
level of cornerbacks that we'veseen previously in the NFL, like
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Revis, charles Woodson, champBailey, deion Sanders different
type of athlete altogether.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So how does that round out the whole defense for
the Jets?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I think what they're telling you is that they still
don't have a pass rush.
They're going to manufacture apass rush because they're going
to have to play soft coverageand they did lock up the other
corner His name escapes me rightnow, sorry.
So I think that this is themtelling you that they have
pieces in place that they canwork with and they're probably
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still going to run the base 4-3defense.
They still have to replacetheir middle linebacker because
he retired.
I think more more importantly,this defense is probably gonna
not be as aggressive as thelions were.
I think they'll build up tothat aaron glenn coming over
from the lions, because they'vebuilt, on paper at least, the
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solid offensive line, which theyhaven't proven yet that they
can protect the quarterback, butthey're.
They should be able to run thefootball with those two monsters
they have in the backfield.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
So who's starting?
Do you know yet, or is it stillup there in a year?
I know they have Justin Fieldsthat they picked up from
Pittsburgh, pittsburgh, whichwas, I guess, a little shock to
everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, I think everybody thought that they were
going to go more of the KirkCousins route, but I think that
they're trying to catchlightning in a bottle For
Garrett Wilson.
He's been on the team witheight different quarterbacks.
He's limited.
It's not like he's caught abunch of touchdowns, but that's
more an indictment on the Jetsoffense in total and their
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quarterback play.
He does have a thousand yardsreceiving his first three years
in the league each year.
So that bodes well for themgoing forward and I think
they're just trying to reconnectJustin Fields with Garrett
Wilson and hope that they canrekindle some of their magic
from Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I know that I was pretty shocked and I want to
take a step back for a minutethat they fired their coach and
the only explanation last year Icould come with is that Woody,
in his divine madness, basicallywas former ambassador to
England and he sat with hisbillionaire friends in the box
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and when they got embarrassedwhich there was a little bit of
embarrassment, how they lostthat game in England was upset
and he just hauled off and firedthe guy.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, I think that does play in to a degree.
Certainly, even though he's 40years old, you go out and get
Aaron Rodgers and you have allthese expectations of getting to
the playoffs and making andwinning a Super Bowl.
I don't know if that was everreality, even if he doesn't get
hurt the way that the team wasrun.
It's interesting because Woody,getting the ambassador position
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you would think would havemaybe have been a blessing in
disguise for the Jets that hewouldn't be as involved meddling
with the coaching staff andeveryday decisions and
operations would be a good thing.
But I think also maybe theymissed the boat, maybe they just
wanted to keep things steadywhile he was busy doing whatever
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he does as an ambassador,because you could have made the
case that sailors should havebeen fired prior to that, and I
think that I think that's true,but I, at the point they were at
, I didn't really see it and notI'm really an expert on and we
all know he's not an expert,he's just has a lot of money.
(09:21):
Yeah, and when sean paytonbecame available and ended up
going to the broncos, I thoughtthat was a mistake by the jets.
And that's because he's aproven winner.
He was on parcells coachingstaff at one point.
He's a football genius.
He's got the respect of hisplayers and his coaches.
He knows how to win games andsale Sale.
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At that moment, look, you wantto give the guy a chance.
But when a coach of thatcaliber becomes available, those
are the decisions thatownership has to be ready to
make.
Is this guy our coach of thefuture?
Are we giving him one morechance or are we taking a chance
on a proven commodity andpulling the trigger now?
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And the Jets?
They fell short of that.
I do see Aaron Glenn higher forthe Jets.
I think he's going to lovebeing here.
I don't think he's afraid ofthe media.
I think he'll take all comers.
I think he's going todiscipline that locker room and
hold them accountable, much likeDan Campbell does in Detroit.
I think that's something theJet culture needs.
(10:23):
Certainly, the culture in thebuilding has to change In the
long run.
Does Aaron Glenn accomplishthat?
I don't know.
I don't know if he has thegravitas that someone from the
Parcells tree necessarily has,although you could say I guess
Aaron did Aaron Glenn play forParcells when he was with the
Jets.
I think he must have.
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I believe aaron glenn is adisciplined guy and he's going
to hold players accountable.
I think that's something thatyou just won't see somebody at
the microphone every weekdodging questions and saying
things like would have, couldhave, should have.
He'll hold people accountableand put their feet to the fire I
think there's something to that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I think I don't.
Don't know if you could see theAaron Glenn stats here.
So he played with the Jets from94 to 2001.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, so he was there with Parcells in 98.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So I don't know how well you could see that.
So that's part of it.
I think the hiring of AaronGlenn clearly is the thing you'd
have to do.
If you're not going to give thefans what they want, you're
going to give them somebody theylike.
Yeah, and they like Aaron Glenn.
I like Aaron Glenn and he's areal player.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Oh yeah, he was a hell of a player.
He was a hell of a player.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
He was a hell of a player.
He always had competition beingcompared to others like
Grievous, but I thought he was astand-up guy and he had heart,
something the Jets just haven'thad.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No, they haven't.
They really haven't.
You can't even say that theyshow glimpses of it anywhere,
because they have so many clownson the field the last five or
ten years.
It's it just the one guy has tolead the locker room, and if
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the one guy isn't a guy withintegrity that holds people
accountable, the locker room islost no matter what.
Very few times in the historyof the nfl can you have a group
of guys that are all differentpersonalities without at least
having one guy lead the lockerroom.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So I guess they're putting a lot of faith too in
the two draft picks they hadthis year for the offensive line
that they're looking to startwith correct.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, one is the big left tackle.
I don't want to butcher hisname.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I know I read it too.
I was hoping you'd do correct.
Yeah, One is the big lefttackle.
I don't want to butcher hisname.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I know, I read it too .
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I was hoping you knew it.
Yeah, ulu Fashinu.
Yeah yeah, and there's a lot ofthought about him that he's
going to be what you're lookingfor.
He's an offensive tackle.
He's 6'6", 3'12" Big boy.
He's an offensive tackle.
He's 6'6", 3'12" Big boy.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
He's a big boy.
I liked his comment and he metat Penn State.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
He had a good year this year and they were a great
running team, as well aseverything else.
I think that says a lot forthis guy.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
His comments.
When they asked him aboutgiving up a sack.
I think he was the one he saidgo look at the tape.
I didn't let up a sack and hetalks the talk and he can walk
the walk.
They need somebody to galvanizethat offensive line and anchor
it and if they can get that lefttackle position solidified, not
only to protect the quarterbackbut also to establish the run
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game and keep other guys healthy.
Once you have guys locked intoa position and they don't have
to rotate every week or fill inhere and put another guy there,
that next man up thing only goesso far when you've got injuries
.
When you've got somebody tostabilize especially your
offensive line, you're able todo more because there's
continuity there that you haveplay in, play out, weekend, week
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out, it's.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
it makes a difference in the long run for sure and
then the other side is the othernew draft pick, armand mambo,
mambo, yeah, yeah.
So he's six, four, three,thirty two, come on so that
should.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
His tape indicates that not only can he protect the
quarterback but that he maulspeople, he gets underneath guys.
He's got you know they call itfootwork.
He's got a good base, but youdon't see him off balance a lot.
He's very good in the run, hegets up on guys pretty quickly
and another, another one whojust you know accountability.
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He's an accountability guy andthey're going to need that.
Now you can put Elijah VeraTucker somewhere on that
offensive line where he can playone position and be good at it,
and his versatility doesn'thave to put him in harm's way,
so to speak.
Because once these guys startbouncing around from position to
position making up for somebodyelse who's injured right now,
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they have a clear cut, at leaston paper, who's starting at what
position and if they can stayhealthy again.
Those are all big ifs,especially with the Jets every
year.
If this, if that.
But yeah, that offensive lineis poised to really solidify
itself and make someimprovements on their offense.
(15:30):
For sure.
They've got two guys they havein the backfield are compliments
to one another, very similar tohaving, I would say, priest
Holmes and Jamal Lewis when theRavens won the Super Bowl in
2000.
We didn't know yet that boththose guys were going to be Hall
of Famers.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
And I'm not saying these guys are.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I'm just saying that their talent level is indicative
of those two.
One is a speedster he can catchthe ball out of the backfield,
he's shifty, he can break away.
He's got speed.
And then the kid from Wisconsinhe's deceptively fast for a big
guy and he'll probably vulturetouchdowns in the goal line
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situations.
But he's every bit as tough asa running back for a young guy
that I've seen in the NFL in awhile and he's a bruiser in his
own right.
So I think they have a nicecomplement there.
They added somebody else who Ithink will be like their third
down back.
But either of those guys can bethe third down back, depending
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on the situation, how they wantto use them.
So right now, again, it's onpaper.
It's the offseason, the Jetsare making some moves and they
look fairly decent.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
And it's funny because some of the main
complaint against Fields andlet's say Fields is going to
start right.
He was the guy.
He's the guy we think.
I don't know what you think,but he seems to be top draft
pick for Pittsburgh.
They put all their eggs in hisbasket, but the complaint about
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him has always been that hedoesn't haul off and throw the
long ball.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, he doesn't have that in his repertoire.
He's not necessarily agunslinger, he's very much a
system quarterback.
He's also had what?
Five or six different offensivecoordinators at this point in
his career.
For a young guy, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I would probably liken it to somebody like Alex
Smith in terms of thesimilarities between the start
to their careers.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
At least it seems like there's some possibilities
there.
You picked up some defense.
The Jets fan base always loveda great pass rush right.
They always had a great passrush, even going back to the
right, and even going back tothe 69 team, where they had big
time players and really keptthem in the game and some of
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that won the super bowl for himright so in 69 that and the
gambling maybe a little.
I don't know that much aboutgambling, so let's leave that
aside, but I I think there'ssome hope on that team.
And then you look at the Giants.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The Giants are a lot of promise.
I thought they picked the rightguy in the draft when they got
Abdul Carter.
I think he adds a tremendousaspect to their defense.
I think he's going to open upthings for other players.
Specifically, what's the otherguy's name that they drafted
high number five, thibodeau,kayvon Thibodeau.
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Yeah, I think that'll make hima little more flexible.
Now he's going to see a littlebit more one-on-one and it's
time to shine for them up front.
Defensively.
Offensively as far as theirsecondary is concerned, that
probably leaves a little bit tobe desired, but up front, if
they can get to the quarterback,it's going to help keep them in
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games.
They'll be competitive.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Offensively they're still yeah, the offensive line
really hasn't been helped.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
No, I don't think it's lived up to its potential
in the last five or ten seasons,and that's been unusual because
the Giants typically have goodoffensive lines.
That's kind of part of theiridentity.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
That and a defense.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, usually a team is well built all around, even
though maybe their identity isone side of the football.
But the Giants seem to havebeen making up for all the
losses since Reese was out,gettleman was in and it just has
never.
It's never worked.
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It hasn't been something youwant to look forward to every
week and go watch and see themget better.
They don't get better.
They're just out there playingfootball and each week it's.
Are they going to win this week?
Are they not going to win thisweek?
Maybe they'll be in the game,maybe they'll score points,
maybe they won't score points.
Can we have a passing touchdown?
There's never a compliment or astepping stone, whereas you
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watch the Eagles get betterevery year.
For the last five years they'retremendous.
Washington now looks like worldbeaters, even though maybe
they're still behind Philly inthe division, but they can play
with anybody in this leagueright now and you can see them
getting better, going forward,whereas the Giants.
Can we at least stabilize theship?
Can we find our way throughthis trough of water and not get
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crashed by a huge wave?
I think Giant fans are holdingtheir breath.
They want to see that defenseat least at front seven.
I think they're excited aboutit, and they should be.
They're going to have to buildto make that work, and when you
get a new quarterback, that's athree-year project.
It's not like they're built towin a Super Bowl and you can
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just go out and get a free agentquarterback to come in here and
manage the offense.
They're building a new offensefrom the ground up without a
solidified unit in terms oftheir offensive line.
We really don't know whatJackson Dart has in terms of
ability outside of the collegegame.
I hate to compare him to ZachWilson.
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He had some moments on filmthat looked great.
Other times not so much.
How do you coach those badthings out of him?
How do you coach good thingsinto him?
Do the Giants have a coachingstaff that can do those things I
do?
I was very turned off to thegeneral manager when I watched
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hard knocks.
He's sitting there with hisfeet up on the desk and he calls
Saquon Barkley basically totell him to go scratch because
you have a player of thatcaliber.
You don't just call them andsay, hey, this is our offer, you
can go look somewhere else.
You, that's a guy.
You got to go knock on his doorand say look, this is where
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we're at.
We're at X amount of millionsof dollars.
We don't want to go to the nextlevel and this is why.
But I came here to look you inthe eye and tell you face to
face and that, to me, is how youhandle a situation like that.
And when Mara came into the tothe guy's office I hope we don't
lose him to Philly he shouldhave picked up the phone right
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then and said we're going togive you the $2 million, please
come back.
They shot themselves in thefoot in a big way with their fan
base, with the franchise.
I think they've taken somemajor steps back and I'm not
saying that Saquon Stang wouldhave won them a Super Bowl or
even the division.
But I think the way theyhandled that was poor and I
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don't see the light at the endof the tunnel there, or the
forest through the trees, if youwill.
It seems.
If those are the types of moveshe's going to make and that's
going to be his attitude, it'sgoing to sink Dableship
eventually.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Saquon's a multi-generational talent.
There's no question aboutquestion about that.
He did at least one thing.
That's become his rear.
Jump over the guy, it'ssomething that's going to be.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You're going to see that in video games.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
You're going to see that forever.
Yeah, you're going to be seeingthat 20 years from now.
The Spinarama back hurdle andhe could have sent the season
record.
If they didn't sit him, yeah,which?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
was his decision which makes him record if they
didn't sit him.
Yeah, which was his decision,which makes him.
It makes it raises his level ofa teammate and a player far
beyond anything you could hopefor.
When you're drafting these guys, you don't know you're drafting
that to me.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
That's the issue.
If I'm a player and we all knowin football it's once go around
, you're as good as your lastplay Barely any contracts are
guaranteed, unless you're asuperstar, Somewhat guaranteed.
You're out and no other sport.
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You're really risking your bodyand maybe more your body.
Sometimes you're risking yourlife and we've seen it on live
television.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
No question about it.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
So if you're going to take a guy like Saquon who you
really haven't given a fairshake to, you never gave him a
line, you never protected hisbody, you never really offered
him anything he didn't succeedfor sure.
You kind of hung him out thereto drive, and that's a good way
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to put it.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
He never gave him you could see it in the way he
played, because he was alwaysfelt like he was trying to do
more than he could because heknew he had to, whereas with the
eagles he fits in their scheme,the holes are there.
He doesn't really have to besuperman, even though he's more
likely to be superman nowbecause he's more likely to be
Superman now because he'sprotected and they open holes
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for him, they block downfield,they do all those little things
and then, as a result, you seethe spin and the backwards
hurdle.
You weren't going to see thatwith the Giants.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Right, listen, it's easy to say Philadelphia had the
best offensive line and thathelped make him great.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's easy to say that they have a quarterback that
could do the running gun orwhatever you want to call it,
and that could run and split outand take some of the pressure
off him.
That's true.
There's a lot of things youcould say, and you can also say
the giants never did any of thatfor him.
The Philadelphia offensive lineis probably the best offensive
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line, at least since the Dallasoffensive line of five, six,
seven years ago, when they had agreat line and still couldn't
win.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That offensive line was tremendous.
I think it took a little timefor them to put together the
rest of the compliments on theiroffense.
And then when they had it, romogot hurt and they still went
13-3.
And it was looking like, wow,are they really going to make
the Super Bowl?
Because they were certainly aSuper Bowl contender in terms of
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talent on the field, even theircoaching.
You've got to give them credit.
But in the end it was Romo notbeing there.
I think that's even moreapparent when you listen to him
on the broadcast how smart he iswhen he breaks down these plays
.
He's giving away information somuch that they had to tell him
to tone it down.
But he sees the field likenobody else.
And if that's the way he was inthe huddle and on the field,
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then he almost had some reallyunfortunate strings of bad luck
right being the placeholder andstill being in the game and
you're the starting quarterback.
There's no backup for theplaceholder.
But he did drop the ball, butyour starting quarterback should
not be the placeholder on thekicking team.
That could be a coaching thing,that could be just an
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unfortunate incident.
That I don't really think washis fault, and there's other
things like guys dropping ballsand the fumble where the guy
dropped the ball, running intothe end zone.
He picked it up and was tryingto score and there was just some
really unfortunate things that,for whatever reason, seemed to
happen to him that I don'treally think were entirely his
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fault, and then when theyfinally had a window and
everyone was healthy, he gothurt.
It's unfortunate, but sometimesthat's the way the cookie
crumbles.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
No question.
But I think also Jerry Jones isa strange guy and I know I'm
not talking out of school orsaying anything.
Anybody ever know All the moneyhe has and he spends, and he's
known for spending, but at theend of the day he gets cheap.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, and I think he does that to himself.
And I think if you circle backand look what the Jets just did,
does that to himself.
And I think if you circle backand look what the Jets just did,
you know that they offeredthese contract extensions is
forward thinking, something theJets have never done.
And when you look at JerryJones, he always waits it out
and he'll wait until he priceshimself out of the market and
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instead of addressing thecontract concerns when they
arise.
Now, a lot of it is mediadriven and he thumbs his nose at
the media.
So he takes it with a grain ofsalt.
The talking heads, which heprobably should do, but the
forward thinking people in theroom are just are not there.
It's him, and I think he's lostthe handle on how it works and
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he puts himself in thesepositions where he's trading
away talent or not bringingtalent back.
He gets all excited about adraft pick and the guy's in on
the team three years later andhe's playing somewhere else and
it continues to happen.
It's not like a one-time thing.
Amari Cooper and CeeDee Lamband all these big talents that
they've had are all elsewhere.
And it's not just that position.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
There's other positions too, and they're going
to lose their biggest defensiveplayer.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I'll tell you where he goes would be interesting.
You're talking about MikaParsons, right?
Yeah, yeah, because the Giantshanded him over on a silver
platter to the Cowboys.
They ran to the podium to getMika Parsons.
I think the Giants are going toregret that for a long time,
but we'll see what happens.
I think, jerry, like you said,he gets tight, he gets cheap.
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He looks like we haven't wonanything with you, so I can get
rid of you and find somebodyelse that can do a better job
for less money.
Where it's wait a minute, youhave a player here that can help
you win, and it's not like youhave a logjam of players where
you have to make room forsomebody.
There's room here for the guy.
Just pay him.
You just have to be ahead ofthe curve, and the Cowboys have
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not been ahead of the curve atall when it comes to taking care
of paying their own players,and they lose a lot of talent as
a result.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
It almost you almost think it's Jerry's ego that he
doesn't like anybody bigger thanthe bigger than him.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Oh no question.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
He doesn't let players get to that point where
they can criticize Jerry almost,and no one would but undermine
him a little bit maybe is abetter word and he always knocks
the big guys down to size andboasts about the people that he
overpays for that everybody'sscratching their head about yeah
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, yeah, I think that wasprobably more apparent with
terrell owens in terms of someplayer challenging him, and
obviously Terrell Owens wantedto win.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
He wasn't there just to collect a paycheck, Obviously
he was looking for the mostmoney.
But you bring that guy in, youknow what you're getting and
you're getting a premier talentand the way it ended was like
wow, what happened there?
And Terrell was still fairlysuccessful after he left Dallas.
It was never more apparent.
I think that there was aproblem in Dallas and Jerry was
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the problem when that went downand it's gotten worse since then
.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I agree, and since we all of a sudden started to go
around the league and I knowwe're talking about football in
the middle of baseball season,but it seems to be what's on
everybody's minds at the moment,it's what america stops and
watches and baseball just seemsto be something else entirely.
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It's gotten to be and I blamethe commissioner on that, but
that's a whole, nother story butthe, the other teams around the
league now.
So you have almost a disrespectof the quarterback from
Philadelphia Hertz, almost atotal disrespect.
This week where a poll came outwhere the New York, I'm sorry
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where executives and owners allrated him, as I don't know if it
was number nine or number eightof of future quarterbacks that
they would use for their team, Ithink one was.
One was obviously mahomes, whois ever.
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Yeah, and then josh allen, whoplayed his heart out and didn't
win.
I blame his coach.
It's easy to blame the coach onthat.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, I think he's like a level two type coach.
They've had some really goodtalent and other assistance on
the coaching staff the lastthree, four years and they have
some players that I don'tparticularly care for.
I think it's Flowers is the onewho's always pointing after a
first down and spiking the balland not holding onto the ball in
big spots.
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But Josh Allen does play hisheart out and listening to
coaches that I know they're inagreement that coaching is more
responsible for their failuresthan their lack of play on the
field.
Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I mean, it seems like if you're looking at
quarterbacks, you have some bigdecisions to make.
Are you making?
Here?
It is execs, coaches and scoutsrank.
So number one and this has beenall is obviously Mahomes.
Number two, josh Allen.
And can you flip those two?
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I don't think so, because JoshAllen hasn't done what Mahomes
is, Though he's a great talentand he's made things happen.
Everybody remembers the Mahomesmiracle plays where he wins the
game in the last, whatever.
It was 16, 23 seconds orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
And the Phantom holding him, yeah, passing the
three-inch calls.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
So the third quarterback they have is Joe
Burrows, which I mean he's got alot of talent right.
He took the team to the SuperBowl.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
But didn't win.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, so that's interesting.
And Lamar Jackson I know hehasn't won the big game and he
hasn't got his team to the SuperBowl, maybe like Burroughs, and
that's the difference betweenthe two of them, but he's some
talent.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Incredible talent, incredible athlete.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I would love to hear a team say we wouldn't take him
if we had the opportunity to gethim.
I think every team in the NFLwould grab him.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
No question about it.
Just a year ago we were talkingabout the Jets reaching out and
trying to grab him becauseBaltimore wasn't going to pay
him and it would be crazy not to.
Like you said before,generational talent, I think.
If you had to find something toknock him on, I think it would
be his passing accuracy, maybehis decision-making, reading
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defenses, but that level oftalent can usually play itself
out of the situation more timesthan that.
But the deeper you go into theplayoffs, the less likely you're
going to be able to get awaywith that, and I think that
they've created an environmentthere where they can,
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offensively, they can scorepoints with anybody, week in and
week out.
They just have yet to not onlyget over the hump in terms of
closing out these gamesoffensively, but defensively.
They're not the same Ravens asthey were in 2000, or even in
was it 2009,?
I think they won the Super Bowlwhen they had Ed Mead.
They were still known for theirdefense, whereas now they're
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not that same Ravens defensewith that defensive prowess.
And a lot falls on theshoulders of Lamar Jackson and
when he gets figured out itseems like he gets very
frustrated and it's hard for himto come out of that hole.
But it usually only takes oneplay to change his attitude, to
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jumpstart the offense, to getthem going.
So the coaching staff I'm sureis aware of that.
If I can see that sitting on mycouch on Sunday, I'm sure they
see it.
They have to continue to.
Their offense is tremendous.
They can score it when theywant to.
I think they just have to beaware that they can't run the
same thing every week.
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They're going to have to find adifferent wrinkle here and a
different wrinkle there and geteverybody involved.
And I don't know they're goingto have to coach through his
lack of accuracy.
Whether that means getting themin and throwing more passes in
practice and throwing the ballthrough the moving tire, I don't
know.
But they get paid a lot morethan I do to do that.
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I don't do that for a livinganymore.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
So what I find interesting is Jalen Hurts on
this list.
I just can't so.
The reason you put Burrow aheadof Lamar is because he's made
it to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, how is Hurts not in it?
If that's the case, then youknow you could make the argument
for Josh Allen to be number one, but he's not.
And you could make the argumentfor Josh Allen to be number one
, but he's not.
And I think Hurts, I think heloses points with talking heads,
people who make these lists,because he's not.
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He's pretty young, but he's not.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Hurts, but he's pretty young, he's a good player
.
He's a good player.
Number five on the list isJaden Daniels.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
You don't put Hertz before Daniels, I wouldn't put
Daniels ahead of him.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
So next is Matt.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Stafford.
I'm biased because I loveMatthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I know he's not the same quarterback that he was.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
If you had this list even five years ago, I would say
no, he deserves to be in thetop five.
Now, if you wanted to tell mehe didn't belong in the top ten,
I would argue to the deathbecause I love him so much.
But yeah, I would put at thispoint I would take Hurts.
He's younger.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Stafford's 37.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah he's not a young man anymore.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
So after Stafford is Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I just don't who made this list.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
NFL.
It was a poll of Let me read itNFL execs, coaches and scouts.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Okay, so you probably waited here a little bit.
They're probably taking intoaccount the tush push.
They're holding that againsthim.
Coaches and scouts Okay, so youprobably waited here a little
bit.
They're probably taking intoaccount the tush push.
They're holding that againsthim.
But I would have no problemright now with the guys you
already gave me him being in thetop five for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Wait so Matt Stafford , and listen, he's a great
quarterback.
Great Justin Herbert is numberseven.
Doesn't belong there.
I agree.
Talent Jared Goff is numbereight.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That's inexcusable.
I'm sorry.
I know Goff had a good seasonand he's playing with the right
guy but that's absurd.
Jalen.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Hurts.
Last year he had honorablemention on the list and he's
been rated as high as sixth, butthe guy won a Super Bowl
they're holding against him.
They had an amazing team aroundhim.
They had an incredibleoffensive line.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I think there's a lot of doubters out there for a
variety of reasons, guess what?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Every team that wins the Super Bowl has an amazing
offensive line.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Right, you can't get there without it.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
And then after him.
Now think of the drop-off.
Here Hertz is number nine.
Number 10 is Baker Mayfield,Ahead of Jalen Hertz.
No behind.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Like a fantasy league .
No.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Is this based on fantasy?
Espn has been talking about itall week, so here's honorable
mention.
Let's go through it.
Cj Stroud, I love that guy.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I think he's honorable mention let's go
through it.
Cj stroud, I love that guy Ithink he's good yeah, yeah, a
rough year last year, but andjordan love he's coming, I would
put him ahead of goth.
I would put him ahead of who wasthe one before that.
I just I don't.
That's.
That's interesting.
You can see, like I said beforeabout teams getting better, you
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can see when they're gettingbetter.
Even if they're not winning,they start to do things better.
I think a classic example issomebody like Eli Manning, who
took more criticism than hedeserved the first five years of
his career and that old adageabout the five-year plan.
I remember calling my buddy,who's a huge Giants fan, and
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saying so what's the deal?
Are they going to get over thehump this year?
Are they going to win a playoffgame?
Maybe a little Super Bowlaction?
And he was, oh, I don't know,We'll see.
And I certainly didn't expectthe Giants to win the Super Bowl
that year against an undefeatedPatriots team with Randy Moss
and company.
But you could see the level ofplay had taken a step forward.
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You could see that Eli hadprogressed and was doing things
that previously were in question.
And if you can do those thingsas a quarterback in this league
and progress, you should wingames theoretically.
Now there are certain thingsthat some of the guys in that
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list you just mentioned.
They're not getting better.
They might be in a bettersituation, but there's still
things that they can't do.
Baker may still have gottenbetter, but he was in a better
situation.
I wouldn't say he's better thanJalen Hurts by any stretch.
Can he play in this league?
Sure Did he have fantasy pointslast year through the roof, but
what does that have to do withwinning games on Sunday and
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being the guy you'd want as yourfranchise guy?
I just don't understand that.
And Jalen Hurts is a good guyoff the field, so you want all
of that stuff that should factorwhen you're making a decision
on who you want to playquarterback for your team.
So I don't not knocking theother guys, saying that they're
not good guys, but I just don'tsee how he's so far down on that
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list.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Are there any other teams you want to think that are
making all the right moves ormaking great moves are going to
be greatly increased?
I know people say Pittsburgh.
I'm not so sure.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
You watch out for teams that have good coaches and
good quarterbacks, like theRams.
I think you watch out for ateam like the Texans and CJ
Stroud, because it looks likethey might be coming on.
They've got Nico Collins inthat offense.
They've got a decent runningback.
Their defense seemed to getbetter a little bit.
Miami's a wild card.
You don't know what you'regoing to get.
The coach is an eclectic guy,so they have a tremendous amount
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of talent.
I think the Redskins aredefinitely the Redskins
conceivably could win thedivision this year, not knocking
the Eagles, but the Eagles didhave some losses and nobody has
won that division two years in arow in a very long time.
That's not to say the Eaglescan't do it, but I wouldn't be
surprised if the Redskins made arun at the division, because
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the Giants and the Cowboys arejust awful.
The AFC West is alwaysintriguing because you never
know.
Even with the Chiefs you neverknow what's going to happen.
But can the Chargers, can theyget over the hump?
Can Justin Herbert earn hisnumber seven spot or six spot,
whatever it is on that list?
Do they have the talent to makethat happen?
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What about Denver?
Denver's well coached.
They got much better.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
last year they showed a great improvement and
everybody's talking about Nix,their quarterback Yep, and he's
in an aggressive state.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
What is?
This?
his fourth season, so he's 25years old yeah that's where you
want to be in the five-year plan.
You want your quarterback tokeep making progressions.
Sophomore slump is one thing,but year three you have to see
them turn the corner.
It doesn't mean they have to gowin an MVP, it just means that
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you have to find something thatthey do that makes you think he
got better and you can hang yourhat going forward.
And then now, if this is hisfourth or fifth season, if he
eliminates mistakes that he'smade in the past and they coach
that out of him and his talentlevel reaches the level of play
in the NFL, there's no reasonwhy they can't be competitive
and look to win a playoff gameor at least be in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Atlanta.
You never could figure out whatthey're doing, why they do it.
I don't even know if it's worthdiscussion.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
That division, the yo-yo division, every year
somebody else wins the division.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You're right, or they play great during the year,
make it all the way to the SuperBowl and then winning, and then
decide to go home in the middleof the game.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Again, that's on the coach.
Absolutely Run the football.
What are you doing?
Sometimes it's just soglaringly obvious they out-coach
themselves.
I think they forget.
Sometimes there's just you knowwho they are.
Where they are, an ego takesover and they want to be the
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smartest guy in the room insteadof being the safest guy, or the
decisions that they makesometimes in these spots are
egregious to me and they shouldbe held accountable and fired
and all that stuff.
That's part of the process.
Hard to get over, those losses,don't get past them anyway.
Hard and it sticks with the fanbase.
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It sticks with the fan base.
It's winning and losing is afine line.
You look at people talk aboutyankee fans how we are yankee
fans living in the past.
They expect to win the WorldSeries every year.
That's our standard.
Why are we playing?
Why are we going to theballpark?
Why do we buy all these jerseys?
Because we win and we want tokeep winning and we want to win
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championships.
We're not here because it's anice day.
We're not here to see Aaron.
Case in point, aaron Judge ishaving an all time fantastic
great.
His name is up there with RuthGary.
It's beyond Willie Mays name,somebody in the upper echelon of
the Hall of Fame players,because nowadays anybody gets in
but his name is up there withthe greats of all time in terms
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of the season he's having.
And it won't mean a damn thingto Yankee fans if they don't win
the World Series.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
And the teams you talked about last year.
There's also everybody'stalking about the Patriots, that
the quarterback is here to stayand he's going to have the year
of his life, which to me is thekiss of death.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Jones.
Yeah, I don't see thathappening.
I don't know that he's matchedprogression with guys like
jordan love or jalen hurts oreven jane daniels at this point,
and he's only been around for ayear, basically, I think.
I think there's a lot ofquestion marks there.
I think they're hoping thattheir coach can sustain winning
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and the culture and we have tomove past the Belichick years.
But I listen, they want enough.
They can suffer.
As far as I'm concerned, Wait.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
So here are the odds.
Right, this draft King sport,not draft Kings, a fan dual
sports book.
So division winners AFC EastBuffalo minus two, 80.
Okay, new England plus five.
I need new glasses 550.
Miami plus 750.
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Jets plus 1,700.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I would say that the best bet there is Miami, just
because of their coaching andthey have talent, but you know,
ifua falls over the wrong way,the season's over.
So I think that's why they're.
And that is it.
And that factors.
I know sometimes you have totake the injury stuff out of it
and just be a little bit morepragmatic about it, but in terms
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of gambling odds that's goingto factor.
I wouldn't have a problemputting money on Miami.
That's really the safe bet.
In terms of the three longshots the Jets are.
They're not there.
They're just not there.
They've got a lot to lookforward to, but they're not
winning the division.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
So AFC South Texans plus 110.
I don't know how everybody canbe a plus, but they are.
Jacksonville Jaguars plus 300.
We didn't talk about them atall, but I don't see any need.
Indianapolis Colts another teamplus 310.
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And Tennessee Titans plus 780.
That's the AFC.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
South.
What did I say?
And the Titans are plus 780?
.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
So the Texans are the favorite.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Texans are the favorite.
I like the Texans, I do too.
That's all in the quarterback,but they're still plus.
That's probably the best betthere, because it's still plus.
Where you have AFC North isRavens minus 145.
Bengals plus 240, steelers plus500, and Browns plus 3,100.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Forget the Browns, they're not going anywhere.
I think the Steelers are fool'sgold.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, so AFC West Kansas City plus 115.
Wow, Chargers plus 310.
Maybe that's a minus.
It is a minus 115.
Chargers plus 310.
Denver plus 340.
(48:48):
Raiders plus 1,200.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, forget about the Raiders.
I think I would look for Denverto make a move there if you
wanted to increase your odds interms of getting a payout.
And the Chiefs?
I know they're not the same andthey lost a couple of pieces
here, but they still have enoughtalent on the field where you
have to go beat them.
I don't see the Chargers.
(49:13):
I love Jim Harbaugh, so unlesshe can, what's this year two?
Is this his second year?
Yeah, it's his second year.
If he can stabilize thatfranchise and work the kinks out
of Justin Herbert, make himbetter, which he seems to do
with quarterbacks, can they winthe division?
I think they probably have moretalent maybe than Denver.
(49:35):
Those two are going to fight itout to see who dethrones the
Chiefs, if anyone does.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
NFC Ready.
We'll end on just going throughthis stuff.
Sure NFC Eagles Ready.
We'll end on just going throughthis stuff.
Sure NFC Eagles minus 135.
Washington Commanders plus 210.
That may be a good bet.
It's always possible somebodygets hurt and everything shifts.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, I'm definitely not taking the Giants or the
Cowboys to win that division,and if I was trying to hit
lightning in a bottle, I wouldput money on the Redskins.
I think that's probably, of allthe divisions that we discussed
so far, that team in particularis poised to surprise everyone
this year, I think.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
So Dallas is plus 550 .
And I don't have to tell youwhat the Giants are plus 2,500.
So the North Lions 185, plus,185, minus, plus whatever I need
(50:43):
to make these bigger so I cansee them.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
I thought I had a magnifying glass here.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
I don't so.
Green Bay plus 280.
Vikings plus, I'm sorry, plus260, Green Bay Vikings plus 270.
And Bears plus 550.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, the Bears I'm surprised they're even that high
.
Very interesting stuff, right.
The Vikings I thought for surethat they were going to make a
move for Aaron Rodgers because Ithought that they were that
close last year and it madesense, but they obviously went a
different direction.
I thought bringing Rodgers inwould have been a good idea
(51:33):
because JJ McCarthy's coming offthat horrible injury and I'm
not a believer in throwing aquarterback right back out there
, especially a young guy Missedhis rookie season with the
injury.
He needs a mentor Again.
Go back to the Giants when theyhad Kurt Warner.
He was there to steady the ship, right the ship.
(51:55):
Give Eli a chance to catch upwith the playbook before turning
the reins over, which was theirintention all along, and I
didn't have a problem with that.
I thought Kurt Warner was agood quarterback.
He certainly proved that he's aHall of Famer.
Should have won the Super Bowlagainst the Steelers.
But as far as the Vikings areconcerned, I'm a big Michigan
fan, so I really do JJ.
(52:16):
So I'm biased, but he's a verytenacious player.
He's somebody that I thinkwould benefit from having had a
mentor and not just being throwninto the fire.
He played for.
Harbaugh coached him very well.
I would stay away from theVikings this year.
In terms of betting on the windof the vision, I just don't
think it's a reality.
I think JJ will play well, butwe'll see.
(52:39):
With an injury like that, younever know what's going to
happen to a guy.
Maybe they want to know soonerrather than later.
That's why they didn't go afterAaron Rodgers, or maybe they
just were trying to avoid thecircus altogether with Aaron
Rodgers.
But I thought, regardless ofthe history with the Jets and
everything else and Brett Favreand whatever, I thought that
would have been a good move forthem to make in terms of JJ's
(53:01):
progression.
So the Packers played very welllast year and the Lions have
lost a couple pieces and theyseem to be on the fringe of.
Are they still on the rise orare they on the downturn?
And I wouldn't.
I would put money on thePackers this year.
I wouldn't.
Somebody wanted to bet divisionwinners and you chose the
(53:22):
Packers.
I wouldn't have a problem withthat at all.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
I think that's also a good bet, better than some of
the others.
So, moving to the south, tampaBay Bucks plus 110.
Atlanta Falcons plus 220.
Carolina Panthers plus 350.
New England Saints, new OrleansSense plus 1,100.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
So this is the division that flip-flops every
year, right Every year.
At least that was the case afew years back.
You went from worst to firstevery year.
Not sure I see that happeningthis year.
I don't think Tampa, I don'tthink any of these teams are
great to begin with.
I think they're just.
No one in this division iswinning 11 games.
I think these are all nine.
(54:10):
Maybe at best a 10-win teamcomes out of that conference or
that division to win thedivision.
I think it's more of acrapshoot than the odds indicate
.
But New Orleans is interesting,but I don't see them getting
out of their own way.
I think they're still living inthe wake of quarterback
(54:32):
controversy and losing the headcoach.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
I think the best thing that they could win is
possibly a wild-card spot.
I don't think they're evercoming into that division,
especially with Tampa Bay there.
If they're healthy, their coachseems to at least get them to
the playoffs.
Yeah, they've got a good staffthere.
So, last but least, the WestLos Angeles Rams plus 175.
(54:59):
San Francisco 49ers plus 165.
Arizona Cardinals plus 420.
I think they would sell thatquarterback or give that
quarterback away to anybody.
(55:20):
They made some real bad movesthere.
And Seattle Seahawks plus 580.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, Seattle traded away some talent.
I think they traded Metcalf tothe Steelers or he could leave
as a free agent.
Seattle's interesting becausewhat are you going to get from
their quarterback?
They've got the coach.
I don't think anybody'snecessarily running away with
that division, although the lastfew years the 49ers have really
been like the cream of the cropthere Well-coached, managed
(55:49):
team, their executive staff Verygood.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
General manager, vice president of operations just
really top-notch yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
The Rams, pound for pound, might have the best coach
in the league, and when they'rehealthy and they have all their
pieces, they're virtuallyimpossible to beat.
Yeah, matthew Stafford, likeyou said before, 37 years old,
so he's not exactly in his primeanymore, but they have weapons.
They're not a team that'safraid to go get a piece if they
need it.
But I don't know, can theysustain winning into the trade
(56:22):
deadline long enough to make ithappen?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
I believe in Stafford , like you do.
I think he's a class act.
I think he's a greatquarterback.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, yeah, most likely the 49ers division to
lose.
I would say at this point I'dlike to see the schedule because
you never know, Maybe the Ramshave an easier schedule up front
and they get a piece orsomething to put them over the
top.
Who?
Speaker 1 (56:46):
knows.
Okay, we'll end it on this Feetto the fire.
What are the two teams in theSuper Bowl?
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Feet to the fire.
Two Super Bowl teams I don'tthink the Chiefs are done yet
terrorizing us, I hate to saythat.
So I think the Chiefs and inthe NFC it's hard to get past
the Eagles because of howwell-oiled they are.
And if Jalen Hurts takes a lookat this list and you light a
(57:13):
fire under his ass, all you needto do is give a guy like that a
chip on his shoulder andsomething to play for.
They're going to come out tohurt you.
So I think they will have theirhands full with the Redskins in
that division.
But ultimately they're theclass of the NFC right now and
they really didn't lose much.
I think it's unfortunately arepeat offense.
(57:34):
I'll give the Ravens maybe ashout-out there as an honorable
mention from the AFC, but theChiefs and the Eagles are still
here to stay.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
So I believe the exact same thing.
I think the Chiefs and theeagles I know I really went out
on a limb I know, I believe thechances of a super bowl
reoccurring are slim, right,yeah, giving injuries and all
those things.
I think I believe that it's thechiefs.
I don't know.
We'll have to see what theiroffensive line is.
We'll'll have to see.
(58:05):
If Kelsey came to play thisyear, oh, he's getting a $5
billion wedding in Bora.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
I think if you took the Chiefs and the Eagles off
the board and you had to picktwo other teams in the NFC,
you're probably looking at theLions and maybe an upstart young
upstart team.
We've seen second-yearquarterbacks go to the Super
Bowl, so I don't have a problemwith the Redskins being there.
They played very well last year.
They're going to get better, soI wouldn't have a problem with
(58:36):
them being in that conversation.
And then whoever comes out ofthe NFC West is going to be
formidable.
But I think the Lions and theRedskins are two teams that you
have to really watch out for Inthe AFC.
Speaker 1 (58:48):
yeah, I agree with that.
I agree with that.
Right there, I think it's theLions or the other team, and in
the AFC, I think you can'tforget, josh Allen's got to be
looking for that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
It's the Bills right, they're always one short.
I think I would look.
If I'm going to look past theChiefs, it's the Ravens or the
Bills.
I think that's where theupstart new contestant would be.
I don't see it being the Texans, although I really like them, I
think they're still a year awayfrom really being a formidable
contender in the conference.
I think they're still a yearaway from really being a
(59:26):
formidable contender in theconference.
I think they need a couple ofmore pieces.
Whether or not they add them,who knows?
And then, if Denver candethrone the Chiefs in the West,
that's certainly somebody tokeep an eye on, because they
have the pedigree in terms ofcoaching with Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
So that's where it is our first show in the can.
I can't believe it.
You did pretty well.
You went right through it Ididn't know anything, so I do a
good job of asking the questionsthat I don't know the answers
to anyway, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I had a great time.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Judge A little bit over.
So, everybody, so we're goingto have our live.
So everybody, so we're going tohave our live.
We're going to do a littlebetter about getting it out.
So we'll do.
This is today's the third.
We'll be on the first Tuesdayin August and we'll have a lot
more football to talk about,because things will be starting
to happen and we're I'm sorry,oh, I said oh, yeah, I'm
(01:00:24):
agreeing.
So things are going to start tohappen and we're going to be
talking about more things.
We're going to have baseballteams going down the stretch.
I wanted to have a wholeconversation about the All-Star
games from all the sports, butwe could save that for another
day.
We'll see what happens tonight.
So we're going to be live andthen it's going to be recorded
and it's going to be availableon youtube.
(01:00:45):
It's also a better life newyork podcast.
It'll all be recorded and audiowill be on all the major
services that that pot, thatregular podcast, is on and this
is a supplement to that.
Justin um, thank you guys got abig cheer and remember to leave
(01:01:16):
everything up.
Let it finish uploading beforeit is so, before you get out of
the software.
Thank you everyone for listening.
I'm not sure anybody was livebecause we didn't advertise it
at all and I don't know how theywould have gotten notifications
.
But we had some technicaldifficulties and we switched a
whole bunch of equipment around,but at the end of the day it
(01:01:39):
worked out pretty well.
I thought yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I think, so I had a good time.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
I thought you did an amazing job.
I'll see you in a few minutes,yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I'll see you in a few .
I'm on my way.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Thanks, thanks everyone for listening.
Bye, thank you, we'll see younext time.
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