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What really happened during the recent attempt on Donald Trump's life? Join us as we launch our third season, diving into one of the most controversial and complex events in recent history. We’re thrilled to have Dom, an assassination expert, onboard to dissect the chilling parallels between this attempt and historical incidents like JFK's assassination. We question the glaring lapses in Secret Service protocols and the potential higher orders that may have compromised security measures. Dom helps us scrutinize conflicting reports on the number of shots fired and the evasive testimonies from officials, urging us to uncover the deeper motives behind such security breaches.
Discover the perplexities of a high-profile shooting incident involving mysterious sniper teams, multiple gunfire angles, and suspicious actions of potential shooters. We unearth the curious details of shells found on rooftops and examine the controversial role of the head of the Secret Service, who has ties to Dick Cheney. This chapter peels back the layers of intrigue, challenging the professionalism of supposed snipers and exposing the undercurrents of power that may have influenced the chain of events.
Understand the deep-rooted political animosities involving figures like Dick Cheney, his daughter Liz Cheney, and their opposition to Trump. We explore Cheney’s infamous actions and manipulations, drawing parallels to the meticulous cleanup efforts following JFK's assassination and the contentious connections between the Kennedy family, the Mafia, and the CIA. This episode promises a gripping journey through political intrigue and historical mysteries, from the controversial decisions of JFK to the sinister assassination plots involving CIA and mob figures. Don’t miss our compelling discussion on how these historical events continue to shape modern political landscapes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome back to A Better Life.
Gs, the abbreviated versionGeorge, is still working on his
project and hopefully he'll beback in soon.
This is our first episode ofour third season, which is hard
to believe.
I thank you all for listening.
I thank everyone for all theirkind words and I think that it's
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been an amazing ride, and thisseason we're going to try to do
a thing a little different.
We're going to do someinterviews Today, given the
political climate, and we don'ttalk about politics much, I know
, but I do tend to talk aboutwhat goes on, but never
necessarily give views.
One of the most current eventsthat we've had and it's really
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shocking and surprising, like italways seems to be is the
assassination attempt on DonaldTrump, and today we have with us
my very good friend, dom, whois an assassination expert.
We talk about all theassassinations and how similar
they are to certain extents andsome of the theories.
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So how are you, dom?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Very well, judge, how are you doing Good?
Thank you for having me andhello to your audience.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So everyone knows, everyone calls me Judge because
I'm a judge, so I know we'venever talked about that before,
but that's the truth.
Set the stage, as everyoneknows, and it's been weeks and
it's been a little bit out ofthe news since Biden stepped
down, but Donald Trump dodged abullet literally right, Dom yeah
, by a millimeter, a slight turnof the head and saved his life,
(01:41):
and what I find veryinteresting is that he never
wanted this screen in back ofhim.
He used to say I don't want thescreen, I don't want the screen.
He lets it once and then heturns around to look at it and
saves his life the migrantssaved his life because that's
what it was about, right, theimmigration.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So he was looking at it.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I didn't realize that .
So maybe you want to paint thestory for us a little bit, or
how do you want to begin?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Assassinations typically are allowed to happen
for prominent characters likeDonald Trump and JFK.
So there's a similarity betweenwhat happened in Dallas and
what happened in Butler in thatyou had a pullback of Secret
Service protection and I thinkthat's what allowed this to
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happen.
There's no way that thosebuildings should not have been
covered, but when there's asetup, it's a setup and that's
how they do it.
In Dallas, the motorcade wasaltered.
It was not supposed to go infront of the Texas School Book
Depository, the motorcyclepolicemen their assignments were
changed along the motorcaderoute.
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The Secret Service allowed foropen windows.
They broke their own rules indealing with the speed of the
motorcade.
So you know, it's just asituation.
When they get orders to do whatthey have to do, that's what
happens.
They fail to do the obvious.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So it's interesting you bring up the Secret Service
protection.
It would seem that it would be.
Anybody that was on theprotection detail would say that
those buildings needed to becovered.
I mean, we've all been placeswhere there's presidents either
been or going about to go andsnipers on every rooftop Agents.
I remember once when Obama camethrough and I still worked on
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Hudson and Houston in the citythere was a barrier and while I
was waiting to see him come pastbecause it was lunchtime and I
was drinking a cup of coffee Iput my foot up on the barrier
and he said please take yourfoot down, secret Service agent.
And I took it down, but thenautomatically I put it back up
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and he said I told you once I amnot going to tell you again,
just like that and I got theimpression is if you put your
foot up there again, we're goingto arrest you.
Yeah, and it was that tight.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And that's the thing.
Typically, their efforts areincredibly professional.
They're the best in the worldat it.
It's just that when the client,when somebody decides that the
client has to go, then thatprofessionality goes out the
window.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So you need a couple of things right.
Sooner or later, if theprotection is weak and they
continually have weak protection, sooner or later someone's
going to take a shot at anybodyright?
There's enough crazies outthere, so you got to figure that
these people are lurking in theshadows all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Typically, we'll never know how many potential
assassination plots they stopfrom true load nuts that we're
never told about.
But the ones that are plannedby government entities, they
tend to go a different route and, like I said, the
professionalism goes out thewindow.
Kids who play video games.
(05:03):
They were asked like like wherewould you put the soldiers?
And they said, yeah, we putthem on the buildings in butler.
Everybody knows to do that, butthey didn't.
So you have to.
The question to ask when thesethings occur is why?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
why just keep asking that question and eventually you
come to certain conclusions sobefore we get to those
conclusions we'll talk a littlebit about now.
I know there's a discrepancy,or at least has been a
discrepancy, about how manyshots were actually fired.
Forget about who fired them fora minute.
How many were actually firedand I originally heard six, I
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think I forget her name whotestified before Congress.
The head of the Secret Servicesaid that the FBI told her six
where she refused to give ananswer when directly asked and
directed them to, as a matter offact, when she was summoned to
speak.
Obviously, if she didn't comeshe would have been brought
there.
It's hard when you basicallywork for the President of the
United States and your job is toprotect other people other than
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the president.
The president can't callexecutive privilege right.
So you're going to have to gotestify before Congress.
And it seems like she dodged itfor a while till they actually
had to subpoena her and thenrefused to tell them anything
because she was not running theinvestigation and then, after
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being pushed, she had all theinformation and started to say
things that she denied she knewthree minutes before.
So she'd originally said sixshots, I think, and I think that
the most recent video, the onethe FBI took of someone had
taken on the ground.
There's clearly eight shots andthe ninth shot took them out.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And then there's a later on there's a eight shots,
and the ninth shot took them out, and then there's a later on
there's a tenth shot.
So it's you had a threeinitially, then five, then that
was followed quickly by a shotand then, about seven or eight
seconds later, a final shot.
So what do you?
(07:14):
Through your looking andhearing I know there's a lot of
videotapes what exactly do youthink happened that day?
The audio that we've beenprovided, the first three shots,
sound clearly different fromthe next five.
They sound from where the audiowas taken, which was to the
side of the building.
They sound muffled, as if itwas actually inside the building
(07:36):
.
And then you have five shotswhich absolutely could have been
from Crook's position on theroof, and then that's followed
by another shot and then, lateron, another shot.
But it seems to me that therewere at least two guns firing at
the president and it seems tobe.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'm not surprised by that.
You're not surprised that theremay be more than one person
there, and even if they werelone gunmen?
I mean it seems to be.
You pull the Secret Serviceprotection back.
The crazy people are going tocome out of the woodwork.
Try to kill them, right.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, it's just you know.
The thing is, I just don'tbelieve in coincidences.
So if you have a situationwhere on that particular day,
when the Secret Service only hada area of protection like 120
yards or so away from thepresident, they allowed a guy to
fly a drone, that day they wereaware or at least the police on
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the ground were aware ofsomebody extremely suspicious
several minutes before it seemsthat nobody did anything.
So all of those issues wouldhave to occur while at the same
time this kid all of a suddenfigured out that's the day he's
going to take a shot at apresident.
I just don't believe thingswork that way.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
That's probably true and in normal circumstances,
when those kinds of thingshappen and it has to deal with
the president of the UnitedStates or former president of
the United States or a personrunning for president of the
United States, they would neverallow him to get behind the
microphone that day.
And if they had any inklingthat there was some type of
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threat or just a security breach, right, they don't have to know
somebody's out there, they knowthat something's not secure.
They wouldn't let the presidentof the United States go stand
behind the microphone, right.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's a complete dereliction of duty to have
allowed that in the first placefrom all the different law
enforcement entities that werethere.
You had the testimony from theone officer saying and now we
have the body cam footage wherehe's lifted onto the roof and
then he said Crooks pointed agun at him.
That happened a minute or so or30 seconds before the shots
(09:49):
started flying, so there was alot of time to take care of the
situation and nobody sees theopportunity.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
All that has to be said is gun.
That's it, the Secret Service.
There's a gun, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
That's it.
Or if you're that policeofficer and you can't shoot him,
let's say you don't have a lineof sight, shoot in the air, and
that'll be enough to bring outthe Secret Service agents to
take the president off the stage.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
It's funny because something else I thought was a
little peculiar at the time andI watched it pretty much live.
The shot just happened.
I was in the other room and Icame back and it was all going
on is that everyone praised thesecret service on their job that
they were doing, but to me itdidn't look like they were
really protecting them all theway and it seemed like they were
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going through the motions alittle bit.
And in my mind I said to myselfit's easy to stand and they're
like they're risking their livesstanding in front of the
bullets.
I said to myself, but what ifthey knew that the threat wasn't
real anymore?
What if they knew the onlygunman had been killed already?
And they're really not standingin front of anything.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, it would seem to me that standard operating
procedure in a shooting is toget the client on the floor,
away from line of sight.
They did put their bodies inthe line of sight.
I just think that they need alittle bit more training on that
.
I didn't understand that myself.
They definitely stood in frontof the president, but the move
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is to really he went down on thefloor himself, just keep him
there.
Keep him there for a minute,two minutes, whatever you have
to do, until you know that thesituation has been handled, then
move him.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And as far as the other shots, so there's one shot
that nicked the president's ear.
We all know that, we've allseen the pictures.
But there were other peoplethat were injured or killed in
the audience.
Those happened prior to thepresident being shot or after.
Do you know, or is it unclear?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
It's unclear at this time.
I watch a few websites, youtubesites.
One guy is John E Hoover, so Irecommend him, and he stated the
other day that which I neverknew, don't know if it's true or
not, but he said it that thetwo individuals that are still
alive were both hit by two shotseach.
(12:09):
The former fireman who waskilled he was hit by a shot.
You'd have to determine if theshot that hit the president's
ear was able to hit one of thoseguys.
There definitely is video of abullet exploding on a handrail,
so that absolutely could havehit one of the guys.
Bullet exploding on a handrail,so that absolutely could have
hit one of the guys and then hitthe handrail.
But that would eliminate thatas being the bullet that took
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out the hydraulic line, becausethere was a hydraulic line that
was hit and you could see thehydraulic fluid spew out and I
think it might have been holdinga flag or something.
It was coming down.
The whole hydraulic system wascoming down.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And what I found interesting too, when we're
talking about the shots, is thatthey were on multi-levels, they
weren't just line of sight withthe president, right.
The fireman was up many rowsfrom the height of the gunman,
which is on a roof, was shootingdown at the president, right?
(13:09):
How did the shot and that wouldhave to be a ricochet, which we
don't know if it was or itwasn't to be able to do
something like that, and I findthat very curious as well.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, that could potentially lend credence to the
idea that somebody was shootinginside the building right below
Crooks.
Credence to the idea thatsomebody was shooting inside the
building right below Crooks.
He might have been shooting ata fairly level to a little bit
below the president, and thatway the bullet would continue on
a higher angle.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So I did hear that there was some talk about that
there was other sniper teams inthe building that had the open
window right and that they werein there.
They left.
They opened the window and thenthey left.
I'm not quite sure why they didthat, or why they would do that
and why they would leaveafterwards.
(13:55):
It doesn't really make sense tome.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
But Nothing makes sense and, like I said to,
initially we were told thatpeople were supposed to be on
the roof, but it was hot thatday so they didn't go up there.
I find that a little on theunprofessional side.
If that's your job, that's yourjob.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
These are pseudo military guys, yeah, and they're
snipers.
They've been in play.
They were absolutely served assnipers in the military.
They've been in the worstconditions you possibly can
imagine and killed people, whichis part of your training, both
heat and cold.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You have to be able to deal with the extremes and
still take care of business.
So, like I said, you know,always keep asking the question
why?
And eventually you'll get tothe answers.
But there's definitely a lot ofquestions to be asked as to
what went on in Butler.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I believe the FBI is acknowledging there were eight
shots now.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
They found eight shells on the roof Initially
they found six, I thought.
Well initially they found fiveand then another body cam
footage was released and theysaid that there was eight.
But in that footage is also abreak in the footage, who knows.
But yeah, they found.
Initially it was five, we heardfive.
From the mathematicalapplications we could determine
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where the shooters actually were.
That technology does exist.
Municipalities have that to beable to locate shooters.
I would think at some point intime some of these people that
are on YouTube that havedonations coming their way, will
be able to put out somethingwhich will probably be
mathematically irrefutable andthen they're going to have to
(15:50):
deal with that.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
The shooter's one thing right.
The next thing is the SecretService, so we spoke a little
bit about it.
I know you and I have talkedabout it originally and that's
how we got to this podcast on it, and that is the past of the
head of the Secret Service and Ican't remember her name for a
minute.
What's her name again?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It escapes me.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
All right, well, I'll put it in later.
I can't remember, but she has along and checkered past as a
Secret Service agent and she hasa relationship to, you know,
the guy in government thateverybody loved to hate, dick
Cheney, which is interestingbecause we know that Dick Cheney
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was the man lying to us aboutweapons of mass destruction.
We know that he is motivated bythings other than, I think, the
country's best interests.
It's fair to say that he hadother motivations, whether they
be money, whether they befriends, whether they be
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political beliefs or politicalmotives.
He certainly had it aboutweapons of mass destruction and
what was his motivation for that?
We could talk about that fordays, right, but maybe you could
tell us a little bit about therelationship, or what we think
we know about the relationship,between the head of the Secret
Service and Dick.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Cheney.
She was part of his SecretService detail.
I guess they had developed adecent relationship and then she
went to work for his daughter.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I believe, and was.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I guess she was part of the detail after he was vice
president as well.
Then she got the job at was itPepsiCo?
Pepsico, yeah, to be the headof their security.
But I think that between DickCheney and his daughter, liz,
there's a longstanding familialrelationship there and there's
definitely a significant hatredof Donald Trump by those people.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, I believe, and maybe you can confirm this for
me, that she was Cheney's bodyman on 9-11 and that she went
down in the bunker with him andthey were there for a long time.
And we can go through with DickCheney and 9-11 on another day,
but it would seem that they'dbeen together a long time and it
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would seem they have thisrelationship Now.
I've also seen and you canverify this for me, I've also
seen videos where Dick Cheney ismaking political statements in
favor of his daughter andagainst Donald Trump.
Obviously there was a longcriticism from a Republican,
dick Cheney's daughtercriticizing Trump as pretty much
(18:34):
evil.
Right, not that they hadpolitical differences, pretty
much evil.
Not that he should be voted out, that he should be stopped is
the words I heard them use.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yes, another interesting podcast YouTube
channel is America's UntoldStories, and that's the position
of Mark Robert.
He lays the foundation ofButler right at the door of Dick
Cheney, so it's an interestingposition, who knows?
Yeah, maybe he's right, I don'tknow, but there's definitely a
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personal hatred there.
You could see it in the speechthat he gave the commercial that
he was doing.
The language that he used wasnot typical political terms.
You don't have to stop somebody, just defeat them at the polls,
and they're done.
So when you use the word stop,what exactly are you saying?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
When I saw it, it almost seemed like a call to
arms.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yes, yeah, I would agree with that.
Yeah, like a signal is beinggiven.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It wasn't even hate speech, it was beyond that.
It was like we have to do what,we have to stop this man.
And I'm saying to myself whatdoes that mean?
That's what I said, and I takewords literally.
I'm a lawyer, right?
So I take words literally.
And I was surprised at best.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Dick Cheney is nobody to cross.
He shot a guy with a shotgun inthe face and the guy wound up
apologizing to him.
I think he's somebody whodefinitely creates an atmosphere
of fear around him.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I never forget about reading, and I think it was one
of the Watergate guys who writesall those books.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
E Howard Hunt.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
No, not one of the reporters.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Not Bernstein Woodward.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Woodward writes all those great books about the
presidency.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
They give him full access, they tell him all the
bad stuff and he writes a bookabout it.
It's amazing, but he wrotegreat books about Trump at war.
All those books were fantastic.
And because he gets greatinterviews, people tell him
great stuff and I guess onceyou're president, you don't
really care what anybody knows.
You're not getting, not running.
You go one more election andthen that's it.
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You got nothing else to do.
So what can they do to you?
Right, unless you're DonaldTrump?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
And and he had.
I lost my train of thought.
What was I talking about?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Bob Woodward and the books, the interviews that he
gave, oh on his interview.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Thank you.
When Bob Woodward was doing aninterview.
Bob Woodward was giving aninterview regarding Cheney
making Colin Powell, who'sprobably the most honorable man
in the universe Right.
Right.
Here's a guy that came from.
I think he grew up in Harlem orsomething.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And made a name for himself in the military and
became head of the Joint Chiefsof Staff right and then becomes
secretary to the UN.
He also was, was he?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
secretary of he also was.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Secretary of State.
He was Secretary of State.
They sent him to the UN to lieto the UN about weapons of mass
destruction.
He knew it was a lie and Cheneysent him in there.
Anyway, and listen, he did whathe was told by his boss but he
didn't like it and it was reallyclear.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
And I think that's what happens in some of the
assassinations, where you get amessage from somebody who says
you know, protection has to bepulled, we have to take care of
something and the rest becomeshistory, or sometimes close to
being history is what happenedin Butler.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So maybe, briefly, is there anything else we want to
say about Trump?
We covered a lot.
There's a lot of questions tobe answered and we'll come back
to this again.
The other last thing I'm goingto say is I found it interesting
much like Dallas that rightafter, before the day was over,
people were washing andscrubbing and cleaning.
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The FBI or whoever was thereSecret Service, I think it was
the FBI were there washing theroof down with a hose to get the
kid's blood off and it wasstill a crime scene.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I don't understand it .
You would have thought for,like in Butler, for several days
, there would have been hundredsof people combing the entire
area looking for bullets.
Maybe a shell went into theground and looked for a bullet
furrow or something hit a tree.
But there was none of that and,like you said, they cleaned up
the roof quite quickly.
(22:56):
It wasn't as egregious as whathappened in Dallas, when the
Secret Service actually startedcleaning the president's blood
from the back of the limo andpicking up whatever bullet
fragments were there, but it wasstill bad.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, or changing the window.
Yeah, changing the window, sothere wouldn't be any bullet
holes in it.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, that was a Lyndon Johnson thing.
He sent out the limousine whichwas a crime scene to.
I believe it went to Ford inMichigan.
Scene to I believe it went toFord in Michigan.
The windshield was removed.
From everybody who was atParkland who saw it they said
that there was a clear bullethole through the windshield and
that was.
There's photos of it, but thewindshield itself has been lost
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to history.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Right, maybe we'll just touch on the Kennedy
assassination because it's sorelevant, I guess, about it.
I am still mystified of all thethings that have come out
recently about it and you seejust how complex a web this was
and how that Kennedy had.
Basically, and I find thecorrelation to Trump is Trump
(24:01):
being this non-political entitywhere he doesn't have any
relationships and he dislikesthe CIA, he dislikes the FBI, he
wants to disassemble it, cutoff their money and as President
of the United States, he haspower to do those things.
The NSA, all that stuff comesflows right from the executive
privilege, executive powers thatthose are are basic, almost the
(24:24):
final words that kennedy saysbefore he's killed that I'm
gonna, I'm gonna withdraw.
He gives the executive orderwithdraw from vietnam to cut off
all the money, to cut offeverything.
And I know that we've bothwatched the prologue to ford
died trying right, and that isone of the and if anybody could
(24:45):
see that, it's definitely onitunes and there's also a
patreon thing which dom and Ihave not watched, regarding what
that was not me not me eitherpatreon thing where they compare
the four major assassinationsof the 60s, and that is two
Kennedys, Malcolm X and MLK, andthey show tape of them talking
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about withdrawing from Vietnam.
And everybody says and Malcolm X, of course, and MLK all talk at
great lengths that it's themilitary that's keeping all
these things going and that it'sonly black men that are going.
And in those days, foreverybody that doesn't remember
or too young to remember, if youwent to college you got a
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deferment, you didn't getdrafted, so, needless to say,
the colleges were full to thebrim.
A lot of the intellectualsnever complained, right,
Absolutely.
A lot of the intellectualsnever complained, right,
Absolutely.
So there is that kind ofcorrelation of the powers that
be taking on the juggernaut thatis the United States government
(25:56):
, who is moving in one singledirection, and Dom also.
As far as RFK, Dom also turnedme on to a great documentary and
I urge you all to watch it.
It's on YouTube called RFK MustDie and it's amazing and maybe
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you could talk a little bitabout it.
It's amazing, when you lookback at the video, that people
are identifying CIA agents thathappen to be in the crowd of the
Ambassador Hotel at two orthree in the morning or whatever
.
It was just standing around andpeople identify people and
strangely enough, that thesepeople that were just standing
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around not only were in the CIA,but they were the heads of the
assassination units of the CIA.
And then there's theassassination and people are
doing interviews, and some ofthem were even interviewed and
they don't seem phased on whatjust happened.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
So one of the people who was there he was identified
by a few of his friends in theCIA was David Morales.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
To give a brief history, and he was a bad dude.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Need people like him sometimes to take care of
business.
But yes, he was definitely a.
He was not somebody you want tocross.
Let's put it that way.
I agree with you.
What happened was in the early1960s, the CIA set up a
operation run out of Miami.
It was a JM wave station wherethey conducted warfare against
Cuba, burning crops and tryingto jam up their economy and
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bringing guns to anti-CastroCubans who were still on the
island, and one of the thingsthat morphed out of that was a
thing called ZR Rifle.
So ZR Rifle was run by a guynamed William Harvey and he
immediately reached out to DavidMorales to be part of it.
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And I believe that ZR Rifle wasthe center of where the plan to
kill the president came out of.
Because ZR Rifle, they intendedto kill Fidel Castro.
So they were putting togetherplans and that's when they
hooked up with major mob figuresSanto Trafficante, the boss of
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Florida, sam Giancana, the bossof Chicago and this has been
proven through congressionaltestimony in the mid-1970s a
church committee.
So this isn't a conspiracytheory, it's a fact.
It's a fact, it's notdisputable.
And they, of course, wereworking with anti-Castro Cubans
who were being trained on aplace called no Name Key down in
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Florida and also at LakePontchartrain outside of New
Orleans.
So I think what happened was,as the various plots against
Castro failed to materialize,their hatred of Kennedy started
to increase and at some point intime somebody said you know
what, let's get rid of this guy.
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Instead, and I think that youhad those three forces together,
the CIA officers like DavidMorales and David Atlee,
phillips and William Harvey,putting together a assassination
plot, along with mob guys andusing the antiro Cubans as the
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mercenaries on the ground.
I think that was the beginningsof the plot to kill the
president.
I think it came out of ZR Rifle.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And I think and correct me if I'm wrong Giancana
he was.
I think his nickname was Momo.
So, Momo was easier for me tosay.
Yeah, momo was asked by FrankSinatra on the behest of
Kennedy's dad, who was prettymuch hated by most people anyway
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, because he was involved in thecapitulation of Hitler when he
was him and Chamberlain went toHitler and signed the treaty.
Was it Poland or Czechoslovakia?
I think it was Poland and itcould have been either one.
And they come back with thepaper that they cut a deal and
Hitler's not going to takeanymore and Hitler takes the
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whole place.
So he had been hated for sometime by the government but he
wanted to get his son presidentand his first son that he wanted
to get his son president andhis first son that he wanted to
be president was killed in theservice.
And then it fell upon John.
It was never supposed to, sothey knew it was going to be a
tight election.
And his father, john's father,talks to Sinatra and says
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because Sinatra was warming upto the Kennedys, nacho was
warming up to the Kennedys, somethrough his friend, rack-packed
friend, who was married toPeter Lawford, was married to
his sister, so that gave him alittle bit of an avenue both
ways.
So he goes to Momo and says Ineed you to help us get your
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guys to run for election.
And supposedly he says to atleast my understanding is.
He says to Sinatra why do youwant to help that Irish prick?
For?
Which is what Italians said inthe day, yeah, and he said I'm
asking you to do this for me,and he goes oh, it's a favor.
And he goes oh done, and hefixed it.
Of course, from that day on,sinatra was indebted to him,
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right, because now we're inbusiness, right?
Business with these guys is nojoke.
He was a bag man for him.
He carried money all over theplace in Cuba and all those
things.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, well, the mob's for the West Virginia primary.
They certainly helped out inChicago.
My understanding is that a lotof voting machines in Republican
districts are now at the bottomof Lake Michigan.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And I heard they were going to graveyards and writing
people's names down and goingvoting for the people that had
just died and they were doingall these kinds of things and
they and obviously they hadcontrol of the unions in Chicago
.
So they got all the union guysto to vote.
So they won and the electionwas so close and I think Nixon
knew that he if, if hechallenged it and I think Nixon
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knew that if he challenged it hewould have won, but he knew
everybody would still hate him.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, at that time things were a little bit more
maybe the word is honorablewhere you didn't challenge an
election.
That's how Lyndon Johnsonstarted in politics.
He lost an election, didn'tchallenge it and then figured
out a way to cheat.
He was cheating from that pointon.
But the problem was Kennedy,joe.
Kennedy, the father, wasbusiness partners with Frank
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Costello.
They were bootleggers togetherduring Prohibition and when the
mob signed on to help Johnbecome president, they fulfilled
their end of the bargain and Ibelieve that what happened was
Kennedy double-crossed them bytelling Jack to have Bobby as
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the attorney general.
Now Bobby, I believe at thattime, was 34 years old and never
tried a case in his life, buthe had tangled with mob guys
being part of the McClellancommittee.
But he had tangled with mobguys being part of the McClellan
committee and I believe thatwhat Joe was trying to do was
wipe out family history.
At that time you didn't havemob guys going on telling their
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stories to people.
Everybody kept quiet.
So if they were put away injail they would never say listen
, I was business partners withyour father.
That would never come out.
So I think that's what Joe did.
He pulled the double cross onthe mob with his desire to wipe
out Kennedy family history, andthat's why he unleashed Bobby,
and to this day it's still beenthe most.
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He was like Giuliani on steroids, because he did it throughout
the United States.
The mob boss of Louisiana,carlos Marcello, was literally
kidnapped off the streets anddropped off in Guatemala.
What had happened was he wasborn in Sicily and as a child,
for some reason, they landedfirst in Guatemala before they
came to the United States.
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So the Kennedy administrationfigured that the only legitimate
place to send him was Guatemala.
So he's walking down the street, he's not brought into a
courtroom or anything like that,he's put on a plane and the
next thing you know is he'slanding in a Guatemalan desert
excuse me a jungle.
They played hardball Giancanawas.
They had tapes of they weretaping tapping his phone and
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tapping all these differentplaces and, believe it or not,
sam Giancana actually took themto court because they never got
a judge's permission to do it.
That might have been a casewhere the FBI was doing him a
favor.
They were trying to make itseem like they were helping the
Kennedy administration, but byoverreaching they knew that any
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evidence would be a fruit of thepoison tree, so it would be
gone forever.
Because at that time the mobdid have a very good
relationship with J Edgar Hooverand Hoover definitely did not
like the Kennedys.
But that's what was going on.
Bobby Kennedy did a full courtpress on the mob.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
And you think that was on behest of the father huh.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Well, it's known that Joe told Jack to use bobby as
ag and and that's what I thinkis it was the purpose to to
destroy any connections betweenthe kennedys and various mob
people.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
That's how they made some of their money, and you
have to believe that if kennbecame president, that he would
have launched an investigationon what happened to his dad his
brother.
Yeah, no question.
Even his son says that today.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
So, getting back to what you were talking about with
the video in the AmbassadorHotel you had David Morales
there and then there was anotherCIA official named George
Giannidis.
So George Giannidis was alsoone of those guys that was out
of GM Wave in the early 1970sexcuse me, early 1960s and what
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happened was when the HouseAssassinations Committee started
in 1976, and I think theirreport came out in 79, the deal
that Blake what was the name?
Robert Blakely, who ran theHouse Assassinations Committee
made with the CIA was that hewanted somebody who did not work
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for the agency in the early 60s, had nothing to do with it, and
that would be like his contactguy.
Who do they put there butGeorge Giannidis?
And he worked for the CIA inthe early 60s and then, like I
said, he's in the AmbassadorHotel when Robert gets it.
Very powerful people and withall the things that the CIA has
done, to my knowledge there'snever been a single one ever
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arrested for anything.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
It's really funny and just so many things.
We could go on all night aboutthe things, especially with
Bobby, because we'd been downthat road once already and
Bobby's a little bit later andpeople were a little bit more
aware.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
That was probably the first use of an MK Ultra
Assassin.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
The woman in the polka dot dress.
No, Sir Han, oh Sir.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Han, that's right, yeah, Sir Han.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So even and it's funny, just so everybody knows
is that Sirhan's parole hearing,the main witness is Robert
Kennedy Jr, because he believesthat the CIA killed his father
and that Sirhan Sirhan was apuppet mind control or whatever
MKUltra was, that was right outof the Manchurian Candidate and
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the Queen of Hearts or whateverit was Was it Queen of Hearts or
Queen of Spades?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I think it was Queen of Hearts.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Queen of Hearts, where somehow this woman in this
dress turned him on because heswears he doesn't remember
anything.
And probably if he admitted'the swears he doesn't remember
anything, and probably if headmitted what he did and did it
and had regretted, they wouldhave let him out by now.
Yeah, that's true, but becausethat's the way it works, right,
you have to admit you did it andbut he doesn't believe he did
(38:23):
it.
Matter of fact, he doesn'tremember doing it yeah, that's
the problem with the.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I don't know if it's state by state, but certainly in
California, with parolehearings it's not an opportunity
to retry the case.
You have to talk about how youknow.
The time in jail has changedyou as a person.
You've understood what you did.
And the problem with Sir Handsince 1968, he never understood
what he did because he has nomemory of it.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
So yeah, and but there is some conversations that
were taking place and you seethem in the documentary of
people talking about I don'tknow was it a Latin man or
something and a woman in a polkadot dress who came out and said
we killed Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, yeah, she said that to a woman and she was a
Kennedy party official and thatDeborah Serrano, I think, was
her name, and she was absolutelyabused during her polygraph
hearing by the police officer incharge.
What happened was the LA policeput together this thing called
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Special Unit Senator, and thetwo police officers that were
involved both happened to betrained by the Central
Intelligence Agency.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
There happened to be a lot of Central Intelligence
people wandering around theAmbassador Hotel at 3 o'clock in
the morning or whatever it was.
I remember I was 68.
I was 9, maybe 10, 9 or 10.
And I remember I was soundasleep in my bed getting ready
for school and my sister came inand woke me up and said
somebody killed Bobby Kennedy orsomebody shot Bobby Kennedy,
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and that was after Martin LutherKing was prior, in April.
So this was in June.
Yep, june 5th, I believe.
Yeah, june 5th.
Strangely, it's also mysister's wedding anniversary, so
it's a little strange right.
A little twist.
How coincidences are.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Did her marriage fare better?
Yeah, it's a little bit better.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
They're still married all these years better, since I
was 17 until now and I'm 65, soI guess they did a pretty good
job.
Mayor, if you're listening, Ijust put in a good word for you,
I think.
Is there anything else we wantto touch on before we call it an
episode for now?
So this is something.
This is a topic we may comeback to.
(40:38):
Certainly, there's going to bemore evidence about what
happened to Trump.
There will be a report someday,and I'm sure it'll come out way
after, when it doesn't meananything anymore and people just
shake their heads and say let'smove on.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yep Probably Depends who wins.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
And I don't know.
I sometimes think that part ofBiden stepping down is part of
burying whatever happened here.
What his role, if any, in this?
Who knows, other than being notasleep at the switch kind of
thing it's possible too.
But you wonder how the head ofthe Secret Service was picked.
(41:21):
You wonder.
You hear all these things aboutwhat she required agents to do
and it seems like a softening ofthe softer side of the secret
service which you would seemit's like having it's having
woke special forces.
It's like Kevin woke seal teamsix.
(41:42):
It doesn't really work right.
You get the craziest, toughestpeople go in and do things
that's impossible and do themright every time, and that's
what secret Service has alwaysbeen.
That's it.
I appreciate your time, don.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate everybody forlistening.
I hope you enjoyed it.
Just so you know, our nextepisode is going to be on the
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Titanic.
I'm bringing in someone whosefamily was on the Titanic,
isadora Strauss.
I know everyone has seen themovie or read the book or either
movie would know who they werebecause they are so prominent in
every story because rather thangetting on the boats, they
decided to go down together andnot leave each other, so I guess
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that's the most romantic thingyou possibly could imagine.
I look forward to that.
I hope you enjoy this episodeand thank you for coming, dom.
And we'll have you on again.
Goodbye, everybody.
Talk to you soon.
Hello everyone and welcome back to A Better Life.
Gs, the abbreviated versionGeorge, is still working on his
project and hopefully he'll beback in soon.
This is our first episode ofour third season, which is hard
to believe.
I thank you all for listening.
I thank everyone for all theirkind words and I think that it's
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been an amazing ride, and thisseason we're going to try to do
a thing a little different.
We're going to do someinterviews Today, given the
political climate, and we don'ttalk about politics much, I know
, but I do tend to talk aboutwhat goes on, but never
necessarily give views.
One of the most current eventsthat we've had and it's really
(00:51):
shocking and surprising, like italways seems to be is the
assassination attempt on DonaldTrump, and today we have with us
my very good friend, dom, whois an assassination expert.
We talk about all theassassinations and how similar
they are to certain extents andsome of the theories.
(01:11):
So how are you, dom?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Very well, judge, how are you doing Good?
Thank you for having me andhello to your audience.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So everyone knows, everyone calls me Judge because
I'm a judge, so I know we'venever talked about that before,
but that's the truth.
Set the stage, as everyoneknows, and it's been weeks and
it's been a little bit out ofthe news since Biden stepped
down, but Donald Trump dodged abullet literally right, Dom yeah
, by a millimeter, a slight turnof the head and saved his life,
(01:41):
and what I find veryinteresting is that he never
wanted this screen in back ofhim.
He used to say I don't want thescreen, I don't want the screen.
He lets it once and then heturns around to look at it and
saves his life the migrantssaved his life because that's
what it was about, right, theimmigration.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So he was looking at it.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I didn't realize that .
So maybe you want to paint thestory for us a little bit, or
how do you want to begin?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Assassinations typically are allowed to happen
for prominent characters likeDonald Trump and JFK.
So there's a similarity betweenwhat happened in Dallas and
what happened in Butler in thatyou had a pullback of Secret
Service protection and I thinkthat's what allowed this to
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happen.
There's no way that thosebuildings should not have been
covered, but when there's asetup, it's a setup and that's
how they do it.
In Dallas, the motorcade wasaltered.
It was not supposed to go infront of the Texas School Book
Depository, the motorcyclepolicemen their assignments were
changed along the motorcaderoute.
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The Secret Service allowed foropen windows.
They broke their own rules indealing with the speed of the
motorcade.
So you know, it's just asituation.
When they get orders to do whatthey have to do, that's what
happens.
They fail to do the obvious.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So it's interesting you bring up the Secret Service
protection.
It would seem that it would be.
Anybody that was on theprotection detail would say that
those buildings needed to becovered.
I mean, we've all been placeswhere there's presidents either
been or going about to go andsnipers on every rooftop Agents.
I remember once when Obama camethrough and I still worked on
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Hudson and Houston in the citythere was a barrier and while I
was waiting to see him come pastbecause it was lunchtime and I
was drinking a cup of coffee Iput my foot up on the barrier
and he said please take yourfoot down, secret Service agent.
And I took it down, but thenautomatically I put it back up
(03:56):
and he said I told you once I amnot going to tell you again,
just like that and I got theimpression is if you put your
foot up there again, we're goingto arrest you.
Yeah, and it was that tight.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And that's the thing.
Typically, their efforts areincredibly professional.
They're the best in the worldat it.
It's just that when the client,when somebody decides that the
client has to go, then thatprofessionality goes out the
window.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So you need a couple of things right.
Sooner or later, if theprotection is weak and they
continually have weak protection, sooner or later someone's
going to take a shot at anybodyright?
There's enough crazies outthere, so you got to figure that
these people are lurking in theshadows all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Typically, we'll never know how many potential
assassination plots they stopfrom true load nuts that we're
never told about.
But the ones that are plannedby government entities, they
tend to go a different route and, like I said, the
professionalism goes out thewindow.
Kids who play video games.
(05:03):
They were asked like like wherewould you put the soldiers?
And they said, yeah, we putthem on the buildings in butler.
Everybody knows to do that, butthey didn't.
So you have to.
The question to ask when thesethings occur is why?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
why just keep asking that question and eventually you
come to certain conclusions sobefore we get to those
conclusions we'll talk a littlebit about now.
I know there's a discrepancy,or at least has been a
discrepancy, about how manyshots were actually fired.
Forget about who fired them fora minute.
How many were actually firedand I originally heard six, I
(05:41):
think I forget her name whotestified before Congress.
The head of the Secret Servicesaid that the FBI told her six
where she refused to give ananswer when directly asked and
directed them to, as a matter offact, when she was summoned to
speak.
Obviously, if she didn't comeshe would have been brought
there.
It's hard when you basicallywork for the President of the
United States and your job is toprotect other people other than
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the president.
The president can't callexecutive privilege right.
So you're going to have to gotestify before Congress.
And it seems like she dodged itfor a while till they actually
had to subpoena her and thenrefused to tell them anything
because she was not running theinvestigation and then, after
(06:25):
being pushed, she had all theinformation and started to say
things that she denied she knewthree minutes before.
So she'd originally said sixshots, I think, and I think that
the most recent video, the onethe FBI took of someone had
taken on the ground.
There's clearly eight shots andthe ninth shot took them out.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And then there's a later on there's a eight shots,
and the ninth shot took them out, and then there's a later on
there's a tenth shot.
So it's you had a threeinitially, then five, then that
was followed quickly by a shotand then, about seven or eight
seconds later, a final shot.
So what do you?
(07:14):
Through your looking andhearing I know there's a lot of
videotapes what exactly do youthink happened that day?
The audio that we've beenprovided, the first three shots,
sound clearly different fromthe next five.
They sound from where the audiowas taken, which was to the
side of the building.
They sound muffled, as if itwas actually inside the building
(07:36):
.
And then you have five shotswhich absolutely could have been
from Crook's position on theroof, and then that's followed
by another shot and then, lateron, another shot.
But it seems to me that therewere at least two guns firing at
the president and it seems tobe.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'm not surprised by that.
You're not surprised that theremay be more than one person
there, and even if they werelone gunmen?
I mean it seems to be.
You pull the Secret Serviceprotection back.
The crazy people are going tocome out of the woodwork.
Try to kill them, right.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, it's just you know.
The thing is, I just don'tbelieve in coincidences.
So if you have a situationwhere on that particular day,
when the Secret Service only hada area of protection like 120
yards or so away from thepresident, they allowed a guy to
fly a drone, that day they wereaware or at least the police on
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the ground were aware ofsomebody extremely suspicious
several minutes before it seemsthat nobody did anything.
So all of those issues wouldhave to occur while at the same
time this kid all of a suddenfigured out that's the day he's
going to take a shot at apresident.
I just don't believe thingswork that way.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
That's probably true and in normal circumstances,
when those kinds of thingshappen and it has to deal with
the president of the UnitedStates or former president of
the United States or a personrunning for president of the
United States, they would neverallow him to get behind the
microphone that day.
And if they had any inklingthat there was some type of
(09:16):
threat or just a security breach, right, they don't have to know
somebody's out there, they knowthat something's not secure.
They wouldn't let the presidentof the United States go stand
behind the microphone, right.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's a complete dereliction of duty to have
allowed that in the first placefrom all the different law
enforcement entities that werethere.
You had the testimony from theone officer saying and now we
have the body cam footage wherehe's lifted onto the roof and
then he said Crooks pointed agun at him.
That happened a minute or so or30 seconds before the shots
(09:49):
started flying, so there was alot of time to take care of the
situation and nobody sees theopportunity.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
All that has to be said is gun.
That's it, the Secret Service.
There's a gun, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
That's it.
Or if you're that policeofficer and you can't shoot him,
let's say you don't have a lineof sight, shoot in the air, and
that'll be enough to bring outthe Secret Service agents to
take the president off the stage.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
It's funny because something else I thought was a
little peculiar at the time andI watched it pretty much live.
The shot just happened.
I was in the other room and Icame back and it was all going
on is that everyone praised thesecret service on their job that
they were doing, but to me itdidn't look like they were
really protecting them all theway and it seemed like they were
(10:38):
going through the motions alittle bit.
And in my mind I said to myselfit's easy to stand and they're
like they're risking their livesstanding in front of the
bullets.
I said to myself, but what ifthey knew that the threat wasn't
real anymore?
What if they knew the onlygunman had been killed already?
And they're really not standingin front of anything.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, it would seem to me that standard operating
procedure in a shooting is toget the client on the floor,
away from line of sight.
They did put their bodies inthe line of sight.
I just think that they need alittle bit more training on that
.
I didn't understand that myself.
They definitely stood in frontof the president, but the move
(11:21):
is to really he went down on thefloor himself, just keep him
there.
Keep him there for a minute,two minutes, whatever you have
to do, until you know that thesituation has been handled, then
move him.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And as far as the other shots, so there's one shot
that nicked the president's ear.
We all know that, we've allseen the pictures.
But there were other peoplethat were injured or killed in
the audience.
Those happened prior to thepresident being shot or after.
Do you know, or is it unclear?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
It's unclear at this time.
I watch a few websites, youtubesites.
One guy is John E Hoover, so Irecommend him, and he stated the
other day that which I neverknew, don't know if it's true or
not, but he said it that thetwo individuals that are still
alive were both hit by two shotseach.
(12:09):
The former fireman who waskilled he was hit by a shot.
You'd have to determine if theshot that hit the president's
ear was able to hit one of thoseguys.
There definitely is video of abullet exploding on a handrail,
so that absolutely could havehit one of the guys.
Bullet exploding on a handrail,so that absolutely could have
hit one of the guys and then hitthe handrail.
But that would eliminate thatas being the bullet that took
(12:33):
out the hydraulic line, becausethere was a hydraulic line that
was hit and you could see thehydraulic fluid spew out and I
think it might have been holdinga flag or something.
It was coming down.
The whole hydraulic system wascoming down.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And what I found interesting too, when we're
talking about the shots, is thatthey were on multi-levels, they
weren't just line of sight withthe president, right.
The fireman was up many rowsfrom the height of the gunman,
which is on a roof, was shootingdown at the president, right?
(13:09):
How did the shot and that wouldhave to be a ricochet, which we
don't know if it was or itwasn't to be able to do
something like that, and I findthat very curious as well.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, that could potentially lend credence to the
idea that somebody was shootinginside the building right below
Crooks.
Credence to the idea thatsomebody was shooting inside the
building right below Crooks.
He might have been shooting ata fairly level to a little bit
below the president, and thatway the bullet would continue on
a higher angle.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So I did hear that there was some talk about that
there was other sniper teams inthe building that had the open
window right and that they werein there.
They left.
They opened the window and thenthey left.
I'm not quite sure why they didthat, or why they would do that
and why they would leaveafterwards.
(13:55):
It doesn't really make sense tome.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
But Nothing makes sense and, like I said to,
initially we were told thatpeople were supposed to be on
the roof, but it was hot thatday so they didn't go up there.
I find that a little on theunprofessional side.
If that's your job, that's yourjob.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
These are pseudo military guys, yeah, and they're
snipers.
They've been in play.
They were absolutely served assnipers in the military.
They've been in the worstconditions you possibly can
imagine and killed people, whichis part of your training, both
heat and cold.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You have to be able to deal with the extremes and
still take care of business.
So, like I said, you know,always keep asking the question
why?
And eventually you'll get tothe answers.
But there's definitely a lot ofquestions to be asked as to
what went on in Butler.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I believe the FBI is acknowledging there were eight
shots now.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
They found eight shells on the roof Initially
they found six, I thought.
Well initially they found fiveand then another body cam
footage was released and theysaid that there was eight.
But in that footage is also abreak in the footage, who knows.
But yeah, they found.
Initially it was five, we heardfive.
From the mathematicalapplications we could determine
(15:30):
where the shooters actually were.
That technology does exist.
Municipalities have that to beable to locate shooters.
I would think at some point intime some of these people that
are on YouTube that havedonations coming their way, will
be able to put out somethingwhich will probably be
mathematically irrefutable andthen they're going to have to
(15:50):
deal with that.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
The shooter's one thing right.
The next thing is the SecretService, so we spoke a little
bit about it.
I know you and I have talkedabout it originally and that's
how we got to this podcast on it, and that is the past of the
head of the Secret Service and Ican't remember her name for a
minute.
What's her name again?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It escapes me.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
All right, well, I'll put it in later.
I can't remember, but she has along and checkered past as a
Secret Service agent and she hasa relationship to, you know,
the guy in government thateverybody loved to hate, dick
Cheney, which is interestingbecause we know that Dick Cheney
(16:31):
was the man lying to us aboutweapons of mass destruction.
We know that he is motivated bythings other than, I think, the
country's best interests.
It's fair to say that he hadother motivations, whether they
be money, whether they befriends, whether they be
(16:51):
political beliefs or politicalmotives.
He certainly had it aboutweapons of mass destruction and
what was his motivation for that?
We could talk about that fordays, right, but maybe you could
tell us a little bit about therelationship, or what we think
we know about the relationship,between the head of the Secret
Service and Dick.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Cheney.
She was part of his SecretService detail.
I guess they had developed adecent relationship and then she
went to work for his daughter.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I believe, and was.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I guess she was part of the detail after he was vice
president as well.
Then she got the job at was itPepsiCo?
Pepsico, yeah, to be the headof their security.
But I think that between DickCheney and his daughter, liz,
there's a longstanding familialrelationship there and there's
definitely a significant hatredof Donald Trump by those people.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, I believe, and maybe you can confirm this for
me, that she was Cheney's bodyman on 9-11 and that she went
down in the bunker with him andthey were there for a long time.
And we can go through with DickCheney and 9-11 on another day,
but it would seem that they'dbeen together a long time and it
(18:12):
would seem they have thisrelationship Now.
I've also seen and you canverify this for me, I've also
seen videos where Dick Cheney ismaking political statements in
favor of his daughter andagainst Donald Trump.
Obviously there was a longcriticism from a Republican,
dick Cheney's daughtercriticizing Trump as pretty much
(18:34):
evil.
Right, not that they hadpolitical differences, pretty
much evil.
Not that he should be voted out, that he should be stopped is
the words I heard them use.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yes, another interesting podcast YouTube
channel is America's UntoldStories, and that's the position
of Mark Robert.
He lays the foundation ofButler right at the door of Dick
Cheney, so it's an interestingposition, who knows?
Yeah, maybe he's right, I don'tknow, but there's definitely a
(19:10):
personal hatred there.
You could see it in the speechthat he gave the commercial that
he was doing.
The language that he used wasnot typical political terms.
You don't have to stop somebody, just defeat them at the polls,
and they're done.
So when you use the word stop,what exactly are you saying?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
When I saw it, it almost seemed like a call to
arms.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yes, yeah, I would agree with that.
Yeah, like a signal is beinggiven.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It wasn't even hate speech, it was beyond that.
It was like we have to do what,we have to stop this man.
And I'm saying to myself whatdoes that mean?
That's what I said, and I takewords literally.
I'm a lawyer, right?
So I take words literally.
And I was surprised at best.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Dick Cheney is nobody to cross.
He shot a guy with a shotgun inthe face and the guy wound up
apologizing to him.
I think he's somebody whodefinitely creates an atmosphere
of fear around him.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I never forget about reading, and I think it was one
of the Watergate guys who writesall those books.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
E Howard Hunt.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
No, not one of the reporters.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Not Bernstein Woodward.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Woodward writes all those great books about the
presidency.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
They give him full access, they tell him all the
bad stuff and he writes a bookabout it.
It's amazing, but he wrotegreat books about Trump at war.
All those books were fantastic.
And because he gets greatinterviews, people tell him
great stuff and I guess onceyou're president, you don't
really care what anybody knows.
You're not getting, not running.
You go one more election andthen that's it.
(20:44):
You got nothing else to do.
So what can they do to you?
Right, unless you're DonaldTrump?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
And and he had.
I lost my train of thought.
What was I talking about?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Bob Woodward and the books, the interviews that he
gave, oh on his interview.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Thank you.
When Bob Woodward was doing aninterview.
Bob Woodward was giving aninterview regarding Cheney
making Colin Powell, who'sprobably the most honorable man
in the universe Right.
Right.
Here's a guy that came from.
I think he grew up in Harlem orsomething.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And made a name for himself in the military and
became head of the Joint Chiefsof Staff right and then becomes
secretary to the UN.
He also was, was he?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
secretary of he also was.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Secretary of State.
He was Secretary of State.
They sent him to the UN to lieto the UN about weapons of mass
destruction.
He knew it was a lie and Cheneysent him in there.
Anyway, and listen, he did whathe was told by his boss but he
didn't like it and it was reallyclear.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
And I think that's what happens in some of the
assassinations, where you get amessage from somebody who says
you know, protection has to bepulled, we have to take care of
something and the rest becomeshistory, or sometimes close to
being history is what happenedin Butler.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So maybe, briefly, is there anything else we want to
say about Trump?
We covered a lot.
There's a lot of questions tobe answered and we'll come back
to this again.
The other last thing I'm goingto say is I found it interesting
much like Dallas that rightafter, before the day was over,
people were washing andscrubbing and cleaning.
(22:25):
The FBI or whoever was thereSecret Service, I think it was
the FBI were there washing theroof down with a hose to get the
kid's blood off and it wasstill a crime scene.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I don't understand it .
You would have thought for,like in Butler, for several days
, there would have been hundredsof people combing the entire
area looking for bullets.
Maybe a shell went into theground and looked for a bullet
furrow or something hit a tree.
But there was none of that and,like you said, they cleaned up
the roof quite quickly.
(22:56):
It wasn't as egregious as whathappened in Dallas, when the
Secret Service actually startedcleaning the president's blood
from the back of the limo andpicking up whatever bullet
fragments were there, but it wasstill bad.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, or changing the window.
Yeah, changing the window, sothere wouldn't be any bullet
holes in it.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, that was a Lyndon Johnson thing.
He sent out the limousine whichwas a crime scene to.
I believe it went to Ford inMichigan.
Scene to I believe it went toFord in Michigan.
The windshield was removed.
From everybody who was atParkland who saw it they said
that there was a clear bullethole through the windshield and
that was.
There's photos of it, but thewindshield itself has been lost
(23:38):
to history.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Right, maybe we'll just touch on the Kennedy
assassination because it's sorelevant, I guess, about it.
I am still mystified of all thethings that have come out
recently about it and you seejust how complex a web this was
and how that Kennedy had.
Basically, and I find thecorrelation to Trump is Trump
(24:01):
being this non-political entitywhere he doesn't have any
relationships and he dislikesthe CIA, he dislikes the FBI, he
wants to disassemble it, cutoff their money and as President
of the United States, he haspower to do those things.
The NSA, all that stuff comesflows right from the executive
privilege, executive powers thatthose are are basic, almost the
(24:24):
final words that kennedy saysbefore he's killed that I'm
gonna, I'm gonna withdraw.
He gives the executive orderwithdraw from vietnam to cut off
all the money, to cut offeverything.
And I know that we've bothwatched the prologue to ford
died trying right, and that isone of the and if anybody could
(24:45):
see that, it's definitely onitunes and there's also a
patreon thing which dom and Ihave not watched, regarding what
that was not me not me eitherpatreon thing where they compare
the four major assassinationsof the 60s, and that is two
Kennedys, Malcolm X and MLK, andthey show tape of them talking
(25:11):
about withdrawing from Vietnam.
And everybody says and Malcolm X, of course, and MLK all talk at
great lengths that it's themilitary that's keeping all
these things going and that it'sonly black men that are going.
And in those days, foreverybody that doesn't remember
or too young to remember, if youwent to college you got a
(25:33):
deferment, you didn't getdrafted, so, needless to say,
the colleges were full to thebrim.
A lot of the intellectualsnever complained, right,
Absolutely.
A lot of the intellectualsnever complained, right,
Absolutely.
So there is that kind ofcorrelation of the powers that
be taking on the juggernaut thatis the United States government
(25:56):
, who is moving in one singledirection, and Dom also.
As far as RFK, Dom also turnedme on to a great documentary and
I urge you all to watch it.
It's on YouTube called RFK MustDie and it's amazing and maybe
(26:17):
you could talk a little bitabout it.
It's amazing, when you lookback at the video, that people
are identifying CIA agents thathappen to be in the crowd of the
Ambassador Hotel at two orthree in the morning or whatever
.
It was just standing around andpeople identify people and
strangely enough, that thesepeople that were just standing
(26:39):
around not only were in the CIA,but they were the heads of the
assassination units of the CIA.
And then there's theassassination and people are
doing interviews, and some ofthem were even interviewed and
they don't seem phased on whatjust happened.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
So one of the people who was there he was identified
by a few of his friends in theCIA was David Morales.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
To give a brief history, and he was a bad dude.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Need people like him sometimes to take care of
business.
But yes, he was definitely a.
He was not somebody you want tocross.
Let's put it that way.
I agree with you.
What happened was in the early1960s, the CIA set up a
operation run out of Miami.
It was a JM wave station wherethey conducted warfare against
Cuba, burning crops and tryingto jam up their economy and
(27:34):
bringing guns to anti-CastroCubans who were still on the
island, and one of the thingsthat morphed out of that was a
thing called ZR Rifle.
So ZR Rifle was run by a guynamed William Harvey and he
immediately reached out to DavidMorales to be part of it.
(27:55):
And I believe that ZR Rifle wasthe center of where the plan to
kill the president came out of.
Because ZR Rifle, they intendedto kill Fidel Castro.
So they were putting togetherplans and that's when they
hooked up with major mob figuresSanto Trafficante, the boss of
(28:19):
Florida, sam Giancana, the bossof Chicago and this has been
proven through congressionaltestimony in the mid-1970s a
church committee.
So this isn't a conspiracytheory, it's a fact.
It's a fact, it's notdisputable.
And they, of course, wereworking with anti-Castro Cubans
who were being trained on aplace called no Name Key down in
(28:40):
Florida and also at LakePontchartrain outside of New
Orleans.
So I think what happened was,as the various plots against
Castro failed to materialize,their hatred of Kennedy started
to increase and at some point intime somebody said you know
what, let's get rid of this guy.
(29:02):
Instead, and I think that youhad those three forces together,
the CIA officers like DavidMorales and David Atlee,
phillips and William Harvey,putting together a assassination
plot, along with mob guys andusing the antiro Cubans as the
(29:26):
mercenaries on the ground.
I think that was the beginningsof the plot to kill the
president.
I think it came out of ZR Rifle.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And I think and correct me if I'm wrong Giancana
he was.
I think his nickname was Momo.
So, Momo was easier for me tosay.
Yeah, momo was asked by FrankSinatra on the behest of
Kennedy's dad, who was prettymuch hated by most people anyway
(29:57):
, because he was involved in thecapitulation of Hitler when he
was him and Chamberlain went toHitler and signed the treaty.
Was it Poland or Czechoslovakia?
I think it was Poland and itcould have been either one.
And they come back with thepaper that they cut a deal and
Hitler's not going to takeanymore and Hitler takes the
(30:19):
whole place.
So he had been hated for sometime by the government but he
wanted to get his son presidentand his first son that he wanted
to get his son president andhis first son that he wanted to
be president was killed in theservice.
And then it fell upon John.
It was never supposed to, sothey knew it was going to be a
tight election.
And his father, john's father,talks to Sinatra and says
(30:40):
because Sinatra was warming upto the Kennedys, nacho was
warming up to the Kennedys, somethrough his friend, rack-packed
friend, who was married toPeter Lawford, was married to
his sister, so that gave him alittle bit of an avenue both
ways.
So he goes to Momo and says Ineed you to help us get your
(31:04):
guys to run for election.
And supposedly he says to atleast my understanding is.
He says to Sinatra why do youwant to help that Irish prick?
For?
Which is what Italians said inthe day, yeah, and he said I'm
asking you to do this for me,and he goes oh, it's a favor.
And he goes oh done, and hefixed it.
Of course, from that day on,sinatra was indebted to him,
(31:27):
right, because now we're inbusiness, right?
Business with these guys is nojoke.
He was a bag man for him.
He carried money all over theplace in Cuba and all those
things.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, well, the mob's for the West Virginia primary.
They certainly helped out inChicago.
My understanding is that a lotof voting machines in Republican
districts are now at the bottomof Lake Michigan.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And I heard they were going to graveyards and writing
people's names down and goingvoting for the people that had
just died and they were doingall these kinds of things and
they and obviously they hadcontrol of the unions in Chicago
.
So they got all the union guysto to vote.
So they won and the electionwas so close and I think Nixon
knew that he if, if hechallenged it and I think Nixon
(32:30):
knew that if he challenged it hewould have won, but he knew
everybody would still hate him.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, at that time things were a little bit more
maybe the word is honorablewhere you didn't challenge an
election.
That's how Lyndon Johnsonstarted in politics.
He lost an election, didn'tchallenge it and then figured
out a way to cheat.
He was cheating from that pointon.
But the problem was Kennedy,joe.
Kennedy, the father, wasbusiness partners with Frank
(32:57):
Costello.
They were bootleggers togetherduring Prohibition and when the
mob signed on to help Johnbecome president, they fulfilled
their end of the bargain and Ibelieve that what happened was
Kennedy double-crossed them bytelling Jack to have Bobby as
(33:19):
the attorney general.
Now Bobby, I believe at thattime, was 34 years old and never
tried a case in his life, buthe had tangled with mob guys
being part of the McClellancommittee.
But he had tangled with mobguys being part of the McClellan
committee and I believe thatwhat Joe was trying to do was
wipe out family history.
At that time you didn't havemob guys going on telling their
(33:42):
stories to people.
Everybody kept quiet.
So if they were put away injail they would never say listen
, I was business partners withyour father.
That would never come out.
So I think that's what Joe did.
He pulled the double cross onthe mob with his desire to wipe
out Kennedy family history, andthat's why he unleashed Bobby,
and to this day it's still beenthe most.
(34:05):
He was like Giuliani on steroids, because he did it throughout
the United States.
The mob boss of Louisiana,carlos Marcello, was literally
kidnapped off the streets anddropped off in Guatemala.
What had happened was he wasborn in Sicily and as a child,
for some reason, they landedfirst in Guatemala before they
came to the United States.
(34:25):
So the Kennedy administrationfigured that the only legitimate
place to send him was Guatemala.
So he's walking down the street, he's not brought into a
courtroom or anything like that,he's put on a plane and the
next thing you know is he'slanding in a Guatemalan desert
excuse me a jungle.
They played hardball Giancanawas.
They had tapes of they weretaping tapping his phone and
(34:47):
tapping all these differentplaces and, believe it or not,
sam Giancana actually took themto court because they never got
a judge's permission to do it.
That might have been a casewhere the FBI was doing him a
favor.
They were trying to make itseem like they were helping the
Kennedy administration, but byoverreaching they knew that any
(35:09):
evidence would be a fruit of thepoison tree, so it would be
gone forever.
Because at that time the mobdid have a very good
relationship with J Edgar Hooverand Hoover definitely did not
like the Kennedys.
But that's what was going on.
Bobby Kennedy did a full courtpress on the mob.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
And you think that was on behest of the father huh.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Well, it's known that Joe told Jack to use bobby as
ag and and that's what I thinkis it was the purpose to to
destroy any connections betweenthe kennedys and various mob
people.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
That's how they made some of their money, and you
have to believe that if kennbecame president, that he would
have launched an investigationon what happened to his dad his
brother.
Yeah, no question.
Even his son says that today.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
So, getting back to what you were talking about with
the video in the AmbassadorHotel you had David Morales
there and then there was anotherCIA official named George
Giannidis.
So George Giannidis was alsoone of those guys that was out
of GM Wave in the early 1970sexcuse me, early 1960s and what
(36:17):
happened was when the HouseAssassinations Committee started
in 1976, and I think theirreport came out in 79, the deal
that Blake what was the name?
Robert Blakely, who ran theHouse Assassinations Committee
made with the CIA was that hewanted somebody who did not work
(36:38):
for the agency in the early 60s, had nothing to do with it, and
that would be like his contactguy.
Who do they put there butGeorge Giannidis?
And he worked for the CIA inthe early 60s and then, like I
said, he's in the AmbassadorHotel when Robert gets it.
Very powerful people and withall the things that the CIA has
done, to my knowledge there'snever been a single one ever
(37:01):
arrested for anything.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
It's really funny and just so many things.
We could go on all night aboutthe things, especially with
Bobby, because we'd been downthat road once already and
Bobby's a little bit later andpeople were a little bit more
aware.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
That was probably the first use of an MK Ultra
Assassin.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
The woman in the polka dot dress.
No, Sir Han, oh Sir.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Han, that's right, yeah, Sir Han.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So even and it's funny, just so everybody knows
is that Sirhan's parole hearing,the main witness is Robert
Kennedy Jr, because he believesthat the CIA killed his father
and that Sirhan Sirhan was apuppet mind control or whatever
MKUltra was, that was right outof the Manchurian Candidate and
(37:55):
the Queen of Hearts or whateverit was Was it Queen of Hearts or
Queen of Spades?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I think it was Queen of Hearts.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Queen of Hearts, where somehow this woman in this
dress turned him on because heswears he doesn't remember
anything.
And probably if he admitted'the swears he doesn't remember
anything, and probably if headmitted what he did and did it
and had regretted, they wouldhave let him out by now.
Yeah, that's true, but becausethat's the way it works, right,
you have to admit you did it andbut he doesn't believe he did
(38:23):
it.
Matter of fact, he doesn'tremember doing it yeah, that's
the problem with the.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I don't know if it's state by state, but certainly in
California, with parolehearings it's not an opportunity
to retry the case.
You have to talk about how youknow.
The time in jail has changedyou as a person.
You've understood what you did.
And the problem with Sir Handsince 1968, he never understood
what he did because he has nomemory of it.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
So yeah, and but there is some conversations that
were taking place and you seethem in the documentary of
people talking about I don'tknow was it a Latin man or
something and a woman in a polkadot dress who came out and said
we killed Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, yeah, she said that to a woman and she was a
Kennedy party official and thatDeborah Serrano, I think, was
her name, and she was absolutelyabused during her polygraph
hearing by the police officer incharge.
What happened was the LA policeput together this thing called
(39:27):
Special Unit Senator, and thetwo police officers that were
involved both happened to betrained by the Central
Intelligence Agency.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
There happened to be a lot of Central Intelligence
people wandering around theAmbassador Hotel at 3 o'clock in
the morning or whatever it was.
I remember I was 68.
I was 9, maybe 10, 9 or 10.
And I remember I was soundasleep in my bed getting ready
for school and my sister came inand woke me up and said
somebody killed Bobby Kennedy orsomebody shot Bobby Kennedy,
(40:00):
and that was after Martin LutherKing was prior, in April.
So this was in June.
Yep, june 5th, I believe.
Yeah, june 5th.
Strangely, it's also mysister's wedding anniversary, so
it's a little strange right.
A little twist.
How coincidences are.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Did her marriage fare better?
Yeah, it's a little bit better.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
They're still married all these years better, since I
was 17 until now and I'm 65, soI guess they did a pretty good
job.
Mayor, if you're listening, Ijust put in a good word for you,
I think.
Is there anything else we wantto touch on before we call it an
episode for now?
So this is something.
This is a topic we may comeback to.
(40:38):
Certainly, there's going to bemore evidence about what
happened to Trump.
There will be a report someday,and I'm sure it'll come out way
after, when it doesn't meananything anymore and people just
shake their heads and say let'smove on.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yep Probably Depends who wins.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
And I don't know.
I sometimes think that part ofBiden stepping down is part of
burying whatever happened here.
What his role, if any, in this?
Who knows, other than being notasleep at the switch kind of
thing it's possible too.
But you wonder how the head ofthe Secret Service was picked.
(41:21):
You wonder.
You hear all these things aboutwhat she required agents to do
and it seems like a softening ofthe softer side of the secret
service which you would seemit's like having it's having
woke special forces.
It's like Kevin woke seal teamsix.
(41:42):
It doesn't really work right.
You get the craziest, toughestpeople go in and do things
that's impossible and do themright every time, and that's
what secret Service has alwaysbeen.
That's it.
I appreciate your time, don.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate everybody forlistening.
I hope you enjoyed it.
Just so you know, our nextepisode is going to be on the
(42:02):
Titanic.
I'm bringing in someone whosefamily was on the Titanic,
isadora Strauss.
I know everyone has seen themovie or read the book or either
movie would know who they werebecause they are so prominent in
every story because rather thangetting on the boats, they
decided to go down together andnot leave each other, so I guess
(42:26):
that's the most romantic thingyou possibly could imagine.
I look forward to that.
I hope you enjoy this episodeand thank you for coming, dom.
And we'll have you on again.
Goodbye, everybody.
Talk to you soon.
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