September 22, 2025 • 28 mins
Say goodbye to the Warrens with our review of 'The Conjuring: Last Rites'! On the menu: Ed and Lorraine’s last case, Judy has the power, Annabelle appears (again!), callbacks to the first three movies, closing the final chapter of The Conjuring universe, and more!
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The Conjuring: Last Rites, starring Vera Farmiga, Patrick Wilson, Elliot Cowan, Ben Hardy, Beau Gadsdon, John Brotherton, Mia Tomlinson. Directed by Michael Chaves
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Hello demonic ones. Welcome to a bite of I'm Derek.
That's Noah. And today we are talking about
The Conjuring last rites. The 4th and The Conjuring.
The final Supposedly they said that there might be a prequel
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series in the work. I don't know, but this is the
end of the franchise. I guess no more.
No more La Yarona, no more Annabelle's.
This is it. Yeah, yeah, all the the series
has come to an end with this 4thand final.
We did revisit one through 3. That's our last episode.
The reason why there was a little bit of a break just
putting out there. We did unfortunately lose our
cat. So we're taking a little mental
health grieving process. But we are back over on Patreon,
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we talk about things that happened.
Nothing says how to come back from grieving a loss than The
Conjuring last rites. You know, but when we lost our
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first dog a couple years ago, wewere doing The Last of Us.
It was a very emotional journey.And now this, I'm like, guys, we
timed it very wrong again. But it's fine.
But yeah, make sure you leave subscribing, leave a review,
commenting if you're watching this, liking all that amazing
stuff. Spoilers ahead for the entire
Conjuring franchise universe. It could be spoiled.
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If you haven't seen these movies, go watch them 'cause I
and then come back. Absolutely.
So let us officially take a biteof The Conjuring Last Rites,
written by Ian Goldberg, RichardNang, and David Leslie Johnson
McGoldrick and directed by Michael Chaves.
Ed and Lorraine Warren have taken a break from their cases
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of the paranormal to focus on Ed's health and their personal
lives. However, they are forced to take
on one last haunting when a demonic presence threatens one
of their own. Oh my gosh, so.
It's ended, it's here. All roads lead here.
What did you think? I OK, I have come to the
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conclusion after watching all three conjurings and then
watching this one that what I think that they set out to do
either intentionally or not intentionally, is that these
movies are like this might soundweird, like comfort horror.
You know what I mean? Like people don't the the body
count doesn't go up the the mod experience, the the anti isn't
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raised up every single installment, right.
It's kind of what I said, and when we were revisiting the
first three that like these are,you kind of know what's going to
happen. You get introduced to the
family, then the Warrens, then they all come together.
I felt like this was the same. But that did disappoint me
because it was their final one and the marketing and everything
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made it seem like this was the case that ended it all.
OK. It was not as scary as the
others. It was just literally the last
case that ended it all. Yeah, so I I got everything that
I love from The Conjuring moviesa little less than, but I
thought it was fine. I don't think it's my favorite
in the series, but if you like The Conjuring, I don't think
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you'll be necessarily disappointed.
I just think for a series closeror franchise closer, that's
disappointing. Yeah, I mean, in general, I, I
enjoyed this, right? I was entertained.
I I, I am such a fan of this franchise, so being with them
one last time really meant a lotto me.
I was happy to be there, but I think one of the things that was
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working against it, at least in my opinion, is that I don't
think that this last one stands alone.
So I think that you needed to see the other three to really
kind of get what was going on inthis last one.
Because we had Judy all grown up.
We had a lot of throwbacks. We had Ed's health, which is
something that becomes a big deal in the third one.
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So if you're going into this fresh being like, oh, I'm going
to see a scary movie, I I reallythink you got to start with one
of the other ones before seeing this last one.
And I think that could work against it for audiences.
Yeah. Well, again, I, I do think it
would be weird if you did see this without seeing the other
ones, or at least the first one,right.
I feel like if you saw the firstone, you'd be fine.
Granted, you should see the other ones because they're good,
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but if you saw that. But there is a lot of callbacks
and I think for me personally, and I'm sure we'll get into it,
but the callbacks, there was toomany.
It was almost like the basement I think was exactly the same
from the first movie, which I thought was bizarre.
Like even the layout of the basement was the same.
It just seemed almost like I getlike in franchises, right?
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When they're ending, they want to show people that got the
franchise to this point right? So we see people in the past, we
see callbacks, we see Easter eggs and stuff, which is fine,
but I think the movie relied toomuch on that.
But in the inverse, I love the family drama part of it of like
the Warrens. Everything that the was
happening with the Warrens, I almost forgot it was supposed to
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be a horror movie in some aspects because it was like like
meet the Exorcists, not meet thethe parents, but it was like
meet the exorcist, right? And she's introducing Tony to
her parents. So I liked that aspect of it.
So I, I, it was, it was interesting.
I'm not sure what they were trying to do with this movie,
but it didn't feel like a finale.
I, I almost wonder if it was a balance issue, right?
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Because we did start off with that similar thing of kind of
looking at a case that wasn't well in the past.
Let's say it wasn't the main case for this, but this one very
particularly connected to the case of this.
And we get a glimpse of the warrants from the past.
Then we have Ed's birthday party.
Then we learn that Judy as a boyfriend.
Then we hear about this other family.
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And so it was all these pieces. And then like you're saying, all
these really great throwbacks and Easter egg things, which I
really loved. But I think that could they were
trying to smush a lot of stuff in and they weren't necessarily
sure what direction they were going in.
It was like it's a case which islike the the other movies in the
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franchise, but we also have to wrap up their family story as
well. Yeah, which is interesting
because I do feel like in the past Conjuring movies, we love
Ed and Lorraine Lauren, right? We've talked about this.
If you if you want to hear all of those thoughts, listen to the
episode in the past. But we love them.
But one of the interesting things about the movies is that
we don't really learn too much about them outside of just the
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little times that we're spendingwith them, right?
We just love them and they play them so true and straight and
like great that we're just here for them, right.
And so I think adding this much background to them was
interesting to do in the final one when it was like, by the
way, there's still like a case you guys have to do.
So like that's going to be the climactic part.
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That almost was like, Oh, let's just tie it to like a case that
they did. Yeah.
I. I think one of the things that I
had mentioned in our last episode was when I saw the first
Conjuring, to me, it felt like it was mainly about the parent
family, and then the Ed and Lorraine were the people that
came in to help them. And we see that in the second
one and the third one a little less because it's like detective
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story. This one, it really felt like
these are the Warrens, and then they just happened to be on the
job for one or two nights. Yeah.
Which I do, I do appreciate. It was just long, you know, and
I, I felt like doing that much almost slowed the momentum a
little bit of, of the movie itself.
One of the things that we did talk about in the the three
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conjurings before, you know, James Bond had done the 1st 2
Michael Chavez is that. Chavez.
I was saying Chavez when we weredoing it.
That's what I assumed it was. Apparently not.
I did the same. So I apologize to to Michael.
Sorry, Michael, but So what we kind of look for in these movies
is The Conjuring moment, right in the first one, you could
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really point it to a couple different ones, but like the mom
being upside down in the chair, like there's a big climactic
moments. And this one, I felt like it was
almost missing it just a little bit.
We got the Annabelle moment right of it growing big, which I
was not a fan of. I really didn't like that
because one thing I've loved about The Conjuring movies is
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even though it looks impressive,it's usually like low tech and
not necessarily super huge CGI. As it's gone on, it's leaned a
little more into that and then the mirror, which can lend
itself to some cool like camera tricks and stuff.
But I, I'm not too scared of a, a ornate mirror, you know, so it
was lacking in, in that. And like a, a guy in overalls,
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like I, I was just like waiting for like, oh, what is like this
conjuring's moment, like the crooked man, Where, where is
that moment? And I was kind of disappointed
that we didn't get that. Like we saw Lorraine and a bunch
of blood, but you know, OK. Yeah.
I mean, even if we look at that basement scene again, she falls
into this big puddle of blood that doesn't necessarily exist.
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And something similar happens inthe second one, right?
They're in a basement, there's aflood.
They're swimming around. They can't do it.
So again, is it that they were pulling these things from the
past to kind of tie it all up orthat they run out of ideas?
That I don't know. But I I agree, even in that
final climactic moment where this demonic mirror is chopping
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people in half trying to at least there's we don't see
anything. Well, I think I what is really
funny, the more I think about that moment and again, like I I
think they shot this movie really well.
Like it's it's all pretty much in handheld, which gave like an
interesting depth of field, which made it, you know, fear
more 80s than before, which I liked.
But like that. But like the climactic moment
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was like the smurls kind of get literally moved out of the
picture, right. So I thought that was
interesting. And then it's just like the dad,
the Jack Smurrell and Ed and Tony kind of helping just moving
a mirror. Like I, it was interesting.
I was like, this is like how they're going to end this.
Like this franchise is like justmoving a mirror, which I did
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like it's spinning and it kind of, I guess tearing Tony up a
little bit. But that that was interesting.
I was just like, where's the where's the where's the ghosts?
Where's the demons? You know, my, my biggest worry
in that climax, and I really mean this, is that I hope no one
touches the mirror, right? That was the big thing.
Don't touch the mirror. Oh, no, they touched the mirror.
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Whereas in the past, it's literally like trying to
exercise a parent or, you know, trying to kill a child or
something. You know what I mean?
Like the stakes were much higherin those other ones than they
were in this one. And I think, you know, as far as
the Smurls are considered, again, we have a family dynamic
here. It feels very similar of them
living in this house and they can't leave and they're stuck
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there and they're trapped. I didn't.
I didn't appreciate their reasonfor not leaving.
Their reason for not leaving waslike, we're broke and it's like.
You don't even know anyone. Well, but like you're in the
80s, you know what I mean? Like, I know it's kind of rough,
but like, is dying better than not?
Yeah, it was just a weird like, also, why are the parents there?
Like do the parents live with them or could they go to their
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parents house or they live down the street?
I was just like a weird unanswered questions or I was
like, and there was this like undercurrent of like domestic
abuse and violence that was likewith the ghosts and could be
with the family that I think they just kind of glazed over,
which would admit made that partof the story a little more
compelling. Yeah, I mean, to me it felt like
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they just socio economically they couldn't pay to go to a
hotel. Maybe they didn't have any
family. Obviously the eight of them all
live together in that one house,so even the the younger family
couldn't live on their own. So that didn't bother me so
much. I also have to say 1 positive
thing is that sometimes I think when things are set in the 80s,
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it can feel very costumey, right?
We can automatically go to like tubular and things like that.
And so this took place in the 80s.
I felt like they didn't go too over the top with the costume
design because I think that that's really easy for costume
designers to do when it comes tothe 80s, just because we think
of Lemay dresses and you know, Jazzercise and things like that.
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So big, teased Poofy. Yes.
So I appreciated that about this.
They felt like real human characters in this world.
And I even think with Ed and Lorraine, this is the oldest
we're going to be seeing them out of the franchise and they
still looked great. You know, I did.
I thought it was funny that theystill dressed how they dressed
in this time, especially Lorraine.
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She was like a Stark, like, youroutfit's out of place now
because if you see her next to Judy, Judy with very much was
like Stevie Nicks and Lorraine was like, I don't know,
Victorian doll. Yeah.
So it was interesting to see them both together of like, oh,
like the times are literally changing.
They're eventually going to, I guess, teach a a new generation
of exorcists in some way. But I, I did think that that was
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that was nice. I like seeing them kind of this
is they're actually literally retiring because there's a new
generation here. Let's talk about Judy a little
bit. I really liked her.
I thought she was really good, really strong, and I liked that
idea of us kind of feeling like the gift has been passed on,
right? There is the one person in the
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relationship who has these psychic abilities and there's
the other person there that is going to protect them and uphold
them through all these trials and tribulations.
So I appreciate that. And I think that this, the
actress that played Judy, who I had mentioned isn't the one that
played her in the first 3 movies.
Mia Tomlinson think she did a fantastic job, especially in the
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scene where she's trying on the wedding dress in the endless
mirrors. Yeah, I I think the saving
graces for this movie for me is the cast, the performances,
Judy, Ed and Lorraine. I think Tony was fine.
But really they're the ones thatI sat in my theater seat for
over 2 hours to watch, right? Even though this was a new actor
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that played Judy, I love the character, right?
And we did see younger Judy to now and I think she looked like
her, like it look like, man, that could be her grown up,
right. So as fans of this franchise
seeing being with these characters for over 10 years, it
was nice. And to see that I think they did
a good job with Judy. I loved the wedding scene, even
though I was like, it's kind of cheesy for them to bring
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characters back. I did really like seeing those
characters and James Wan making an appearance in the crowd,
which I thought was nice. But yeah, I like Judy a lot.
I think her story was great. I liked the idea of her getting
the visions or the clairvoyancy that her mother had.
It did really annoy me though. It fell into that trope and trap
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of oh they're going to have the same ability as me, I need to
protect them and shelter from. It's like why though?
Like you know what could happen and also you.
Would think that over these years, Lorraine has learned that
hiding it is not the answer, right?
Right. It's what's giving them their
livelihood. It's what's connected them to
their faith. Why would she decide that for
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her daughter? Just because maybe seeing her
daughter as a little girl, she was scared.
Well, right. Yeah.
I mean, she, I think the idea isto protect them, right?
So it won't happen. But she should know from her own
experience that you can't necessarily completely shut that
off, right? It's like you're going to be
getting bouts of visions and stuff, which she did regardless
of teaching her how to shut those out.
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So there was just a few things in this movie were like the past
movies didn't really fall into generic tropes like that.
And this movie really I was like, why aren't you telling
each other things? This is weird.
Like, can y'all communicate? You guys aren't usually like
this. So it was weird of like, I know
why you're doing it to push the plot forward, but it's really
annoying because your charactersdon't do that.
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Yeah, I understand that and I think so.
Another interesting bit about this movie is that we do see a
younger Ed and Lorraine Warren loved it, yeah, played by
different actors, but they looked so much like them.
They did such a great job at thecasting there.
But we see in that first scene, this mirror demon once tried to
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take Judy's life when she was inEuro, right?
And then she was stillborn when she was born, but they brought
her back. So maybe that has something to
do with, I don't know, Lorraine being so protective of her,
perhaps. But you know, again, it was
really rooted in this family story and what it led to to now.
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I like that. I think it was nice to have like
they're one of their very first cases come back to them, right.
Did I think it was as bitey or as like intense or the the one
that ended it all for them? No, I don't like that.
I think that's what was like disappointing because they
themselves hyped it up. But I liked that there was a
through line with that. As soon as they saw that mirror,
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they're like this is the same mirror.
It's scary, right? But I think in the inverse of
that, every conjuring we we get a name for the demon or the
entity, right? We have Valik, which we know
from the nun, right? We have Bathsheba from the first
one, The third one. What was the third one's name?
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Do we do we even get it? Oh, it was the the Occultist.
Yeah. And in this one, I think one of
the things that was really missing was a name.
Yeah. We learn in the first one, when
you learn the name of the demon,you have power over it.
So for them to not know the nameof this demon that was
apparently using the three ghosts as a shield, kind of like
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in the second one, was odd, was an odd choice.
I felt like, OK, I guess they'redone.
Right. And you know, it's, it's funny
because one of the pieces that Ilike of The Conjuring so much is
when they're putting the clues together to figure everything
out, to see what happened to this family in this house and
where this demonic presence camefrom.
And you know, in the third one, I thought they went there too
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far, right. It was 2 paranormal detectives.
This one was nothing at all. They didn't do any research.
They didn't go out to find any information.
Well. They were reluctant to take
cases physically, like actual cases, you know, So it was
interesting for them to like, OK, fine.
But then immediately get to exercising it.
Yeah. She was like, that's so Raven.
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She's just like, oh, it's a family of three and there's a
demon using them as. Puppets, yeah, which again, I
think is like weird that we got a story where like a big
malevolent valic was using a ghost if somebody manipulate
them, but then we didn't really see the wizard behind that
manipulation, right. So I think like just kind of
wrapping up our thoughts or this, you know, the movie.
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I didn't appreciate them torturing that dog for no
apparent reason, Simon. But I'm glad Simon survived,
unlike Sadie from the last firstone.
I think it was a fine installment, but this feels like
more like a third, not a final. I am a little disappointed as
like we watch these Conjuring movies that even though this is
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like the highest grossing horrorfranchise and film history, the
more they've gone on, the less it looks like it has money, if
that makes sense. Like the first one is just
unbeatable. It's unbeatable and sound design
and acting and scares and just using it.
And so like when we finally get to this fourth one, AKA like I
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think the 8th movie in the wholefranchise, I wanted more.
I wanted a little a little punchier.
And it's always so interesting to me sometimes when you see
movies where the first one it's like 1 writer and it's stellar,
and then by the third one it's like 3 writers and two people
helping to write the story. On top of that.
It's like something doesn't feelas authentic as it did.
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And I think maybe that has something to do with like we
just have to get this last one out there.
I don't know. But I think I feel a lot of the
same sentiments that you do, butI still liked it.
And I, and I think The thing is,is that I wanted to kind of get
into some of these callbacks that we keep mentioning.
So I'm going to list some off and then we can stop and talk
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about them. So the thing that Noah mentions
that there's a lot of guest appearances here, right?
So at the AT Ed's barbecue in the beginning for his birthday,
we have Brad the cop from the first one and we even get a
glimpse of Drew who was their assistant in the 1st 2:00.
Annabelle obviously is back in action.
We get the call back to the MissMe from the pre story of the
first one. We get the music box in the kids
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room mimicking a music box and one and two very much looking
like the crooked man spinning thing.
We have another spooky doll Susie.
We have Valek being spelled out in some children's blocks.
That's what that was. Spelling.
Dang it. Yeah, so we see that again.
We have Judy Zlocka coming back.We have the basement hauntings.
We have, you know, in the first one we had hide and clap.
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In this one we see the kids playa prank on the mom, which the
ghost uses again to trick the mom.
Again. The animals, some died, some
didn't. One of the other things I
thought of was that we see Ed making pancakes for the family
again and them taking care of them.
I really liked Tony being like, is this part of it?
Is this cause like he's, he's onthe investigation, right?
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And even though Ed says no, yes,it 100% is part of it because he
does that every time for the family.
And I think it's just a comforting thing, right?
Absolutely, because he does say part of our job here is to also
take care of this family becausethey've been through so much.
And then that end wedding scene,Judy's wedding, we have Julian
Hillard as David from the third one.
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We have Madison Wolf and FrancisO'Connor as two of the Hodgens
from the second one. And of course, we have Lily
Taylor as Carolyn and Mackenzie Foy as Cindy.
Two of the parents have come from Rhode Island to see Judy
get married. That's so sweet.
I really love that. Like that.
To me, I don't know what it is about Lily Taylor.
Anytime I see that woman on Scream, I, like, jump out of my
seat. I'm so excited.
So seeing her there as really she was kind of, to me, the main
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driving force of the first movie, Yeah.
Yeah. And I think we we saw that
connection, right. We saw.
I do feel like, unfortunately, Ilike James Wan's direction a
little more than Michael Chavs. I think James Wan kind of
understood the vision that he was trying to do, and Michael
feels more like a studio touch to it.
And I don't particularly like that the first two are vastly
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different from the last two. And it's just like you said,
focusing more on the family that's getting haunted with Ed
and Lorraine coming in. But saying that the last image
that we get of Ed and Lorraine dancing at their daughter's
wedding, right before that, Lorraine says, I got a vision
and she literally spells out therest of their lives, which was
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beautiful. And it's everything that they
wanted, right? I love that moment.
I love it. And it when I heard that they're
thinking about making a prequel series of like young Ed and
Lorraine, I get the actors that played young them in this.
It'd be amazing. I kind of was like really happy
about it because I do love thesecharacters.
I don't like the actual Ed and Lorraine Warren.
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I like these versions. I like the fictional versions
and I just kind of want more of them.
You know, I, I think it's, it's,it's, they created something
very interesting to where it is a cozy, haunting house movies
that like there's some gore and stuff like that.
But like, I still get surprised that like this one is rated R.
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It does not feel like it should be rated R because it's like, I
could pop this on and like have it on while I'm like cooking
dinner or something, you know what I mean?
Like it's just it's super chill.Yeah, I like, you know, we have
cozy fantasies now, and I like the idea of cozy horror movies
as well. That's really my type of horror
movie, really kind of about the people, about the experience.
There's a couple of jump scares in there.
And you know, I have to say thatthat final scene of Lorraine
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having that vision of the rest of their lives actually brought
a tear to my eyes. I heard because I.
Really do love these characters.I love what they've built in
this Conjuring universe. I love this idea of leading with
kindness and love and faith. I don't think you see that a lot
in horror movies, and so seeing their story spelled out
definitely made me feel emotional.
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And then of course, our final text letting everyone know how
they passed away and how they were together till the end.
Actually really sad. Yeah, it was really sad that
she. She lived a really long,
beautiful life. I didn't.
Realize she was that old. Yeah, that's damn.
So I, I will say that I felt moved by that.
I thought it was a nice final chapter to this book of The
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Conjuring. I will say that when we left the
movie theater, there was this guy and he was saying to his
family, this movie wasn't scary at all.
And it's that idea of I don't necessarily know that it's
supposed to be like, so scary. Yeah, I, I do feel like, I don't
think it's supposed to be like super, super like Uber
terrifying. But I do think it was missing
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some of those like quiet intensewhere the score is really
driving the fear. I think it was missing that part
to it, right. The sound design wasn't as good
as the other ones. And I think it kind of just
plays into that, right? If like, we're supposed to be
scared of a mirror, right? And a guy in overalls like it's
not going to work. But I feel like this movie,
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oddly, was more of a family drama than it was of an actual
haunting. Last rites more like last
wrongs. I did.
Well, we didn't say Father Gordon does make an appearance
in this and he does unfortunately not make it out of
the series. So he does.
He's like, really the only casualty.
Trigger warning. Honestly though, for Death by
hanging 3 three different times,it's pretty rough.
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Yeah, yeah, that's that, I guessnow makes sense why it's rated
R, right? Yeah, that's true.
A girl vomiting blood doesn't put it at rated R.
But that was Grouse, though. That was Grouse, yeah.
OK, so this is until the show comes out, our final kind of
talking of The Conjuring, right?We ranked our first three in the
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last episode. Just to remind people my ranking
was what was it 132 I believe and yours was 123 going in best
to least. What is your ranking now with
the 4th 1? Oh gosh, you know, I think my
love for this franchise is blinding me a little bit, but
I'm going to go into that and lean into it.
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I'm going to go 1243. So this is just skipping ahead
of #3 into the third position. Interesting.
I'm I think I actually have to say the same.
I'm changing my rankings. I'm going 124 and three.
Honestly, yeah, because I think the more I think about it, I
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think we were just so fresh off of watching 3 and I think it was
intense in some ways that the first two weren't in like real
horror, right, Which I did like.But the more I think about, it's
like, oh, that didn't feel like The Conjuring.
That just felt like a Hills haveEyes type thing, right.
But I just like you. I love these characters.
So I think just seeing them veryexceptionally happy and they got
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everything that they wanted justwarms my little exorcist heart,
yeah. I think for me, if this one had
a little more detective work in it and didn't have that dumb
giant Annabelle. Yeah, that was weird.
I also, I don't understand. Like I guess she was terrified
of Annabelle ever since she was little.
I was just like confused why Annabelle was so involved in
this. It almost, it felt overplayed.
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I was like, Annabelle got 2 movies.
We've seen her in almost every single Conjuring.
Like get her out of here. Let her.
Retire just hates Judy, right? That's it.
She just, she just hates her andshe's willing to take her down
at any. Cost.
Please do no. No, not Judy, but I really do
hope we get a prequel series. I would love to see Young, Ed
and Lorraine seeing more cases. I'm really curious to see if
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it's going to be like one off per episode or just one case for
the entire season. I'm I'm really interested to see
that. Yeah, I'm not sure too sure who
would have the right. Is it paramount?
It's going to. Was it HBO that might be doing
it? I don't know.
All right, we'll see. We'll find out.
Yeah, let us know who you thought of last Rite slash The
Conjuring franchise, because nowit's done.
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I don't even think there's any spin offs or anything planned so
except for the prequel series so.
Guess what? Annabelle 4.
She's back, baby. Keep forgetting there's the
third one. All right, Well, till next time.
Bye.
Hello demonic ones. Welcome to a bite of I'm Derek.
That's Noah. And today we are talking about
The Conjuring last rites. The 4th and The Conjuring.
The final Supposedly they said that there might be a prequel
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series in the work. I don't know, but this is the
end of the franchise. I guess no more.
No more La Yarona, no more Annabelle's.
This is it. Yeah, yeah, all the the series
has come to an end with this 4thand final.
We did revisit one through 3. That's our last episode.
The reason why there was a little bit of a break just
putting out there. We did unfortunately lose our
cat. So we're taking a little mental
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we talk about things that happened.
Nothing says how to come back from grieving a loss than The
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first dog a couple years ago, wewere doing The Last of Us.
It was a very emotional journey.And now this, I'm like, guys, we
timed it very wrong again. But it's fine.
But yeah, make sure you leave subscribing, leave a review,
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If you haven't seen these movies, go watch them 'cause I
and then come back. Absolutely.
So let us officially take a biteof The Conjuring Last Rites,
written by Ian Goldberg, RichardNang, and David Leslie Johnson
McGoldrick and directed by Michael Chaves.
Ed and Lorraine Warren have taken a break from their cases
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of the paranormal to focus on Ed's health and their personal
lives. However, they are forced to take
on one last haunting when a demonic presence threatens one
of their own. Oh my gosh, so.
It's ended, it's here. All roads lead here.
What did you think? I OK, I have come to the
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conclusion after watching all three conjurings and then
watching this one that what I think that they set out to do
either intentionally or not intentionally, is that these
movies are like this might soundweird, like comfort horror.
You know what I mean? Like people don't the the body
count doesn't go up the the mod experience, the the anti isn't
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raised up every single installment, right.
It's kind of what I said, and when we were revisiting the
first three that like these are,you kind of know what's going to
happen. You get introduced to the
family, then the Warrens, then they all come together.
I felt like this was the same. But that did disappoint me
because it was their final one and the marketing and everything
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made it seem like this was the case that ended it all.
OK. It was not as scary as the
others. It was just literally the last
case that ended it all. Yeah, so I I got everything that
I love from The Conjuring moviesa little less than, but I
thought it was fine. I don't think it's my favorite
in the series, but if you like The Conjuring, I don't think
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you'll be necessarily disappointed.
I just think for a series closeror franchise closer, that's
disappointing. Yeah, I mean, in general, I, I
enjoyed this, right? I was entertained.
I I, I am such a fan of this franchise, so being with them
one last time really meant a lotto me.
I was happy to be there, but I think one of the things that was
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working against it, at least in my opinion, is that I don't
think that this last one stands alone.
So I think that you needed to see the other three to really
kind of get what was going on inthis last one.
Because we had Judy all grown up.
We had a lot of throwbacks. We had Ed's health, which is
something that becomes a big deal in the third one.
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So if you're going into this fresh being like, oh, I'm going
to see a scary movie, I I reallythink you got to start with one
of the other ones before seeing this last one.
And I think that could work against it for audiences.
Yeah. Well, again, I, I do think it
would be weird if you did see this without seeing the other
ones, or at least the first one,right.
I feel like if you saw the firstone, you'd be fine.
Granted, you should see the other ones because they're good,
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but if you saw that. But there is a lot of callbacks
and I think for me personally, and I'm sure we'll get into it,
but the callbacks, there was toomany.
It was almost like the basement I think was exactly the same
from the first movie, which I thought was bizarre.
Like even the layout of the basement was the same.
It just seemed almost like I getlike in franchises, right?
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When they're ending, they want to show people that got the
franchise to this point right? So we see people in the past, we
see callbacks, we see Easter eggs and stuff, which is fine,
but I think the movie relied toomuch on that.
But in the inverse, I love the family drama part of it of like
the Warrens. Everything that the was
happening with the Warrens, I almost forgot it was supposed to
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be a horror movie in some aspects because it was like like
meet the Exorcists, not meet thethe parents, but it was like
meet the exorcist, right? And she's introducing Tony to
her parents. So I liked that aspect of it.
So I, I, it was, it was interesting.
I'm not sure what they were trying to do with this movie,
but it didn't feel like a finale.
I, I almost wonder if it was a balance issue, right?
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Because we did start off with that similar thing of kind of
looking at a case that wasn't well in the past.
Let's say it wasn't the main case for this, but this one very
particularly connected to the case of this.
And we get a glimpse of the warrants from the past.
Then we have Ed's birthday party.
Then we learn that Judy as a boyfriend.
Then we hear about this other family.
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And so it was all these pieces. And then like you're saying, all
these really great throwbacks and Easter egg things, which I
really loved. But I think that could they were
trying to smush a lot of stuff in and they weren't necessarily
sure what direction they were going in.
It was like it's a case which islike the the other movies in the
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franchise, but we also have to wrap up their family story as
well. Yeah, which is interesting
because I do feel like in the past Conjuring movies, we love
Ed and Lorraine Lauren, right? We've talked about this.
If you if you want to hear all of those thoughts, listen to the
episode in the past. But we love them.
But one of the interesting things about the movies is that
we don't really learn too much about them outside of just the
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little times that we're spendingwith them, right?
We just love them and they play them so true and straight and
like great that we're just here for them, right.
And so I think adding this much background to them was
interesting to do in the final one when it was like, by the
way, there's still like a case you guys have to do.
So like that's going to be the climactic part.
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That almost was like, Oh, let's just tie it to like a case that
they did. Yeah.
I. I think one of the things that I
had mentioned in our last episode was when I saw the first
Conjuring, to me, it felt like it was mainly about the parent
family, and then the Ed and Lorraine were the people that
came in to help them. And we see that in the second
one and the third one a little less because it's like detective
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story. This one, it really felt like
these are the Warrens, and then they just happened to be on the
job for one or two nights. Yeah.
Which I do, I do appreciate. It was just long, you know, and
I, I felt like doing that much almost slowed the momentum a
little bit of, of the movie itself.
One of the things that we did talk about in the the three
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conjurings before, you know, James Bond had done the 1st 2
Michael Chavez is that. Chavez.
I was saying Chavez when we weredoing it.
That's what I assumed it was. Apparently not.
I did the same. So I apologize to to Michael.
Sorry, Michael, but So what we kind of look for in these movies
is The Conjuring moment, right in the first one, you could
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really point it to a couple different ones, but like the mom
being upside down in the chair, like there's a big climactic
moments. And this one, I felt like it was
almost missing it just a little bit.
We got the Annabelle moment right of it growing big, which I
was not a fan of. I really didn't like that
because one thing I've loved about The Conjuring movies is
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even though it looks impressive,it's usually like low tech and
not necessarily super huge CGI. As it's gone on, it's leaned a
little more into that and then the mirror, which can lend
itself to some cool like camera tricks and stuff.
But I, I'm not too scared of a, a ornate mirror, you know, so it
was lacking in, in that. And like a, a guy in overalls,
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like I, I was just like waiting for like, oh, what is like this
conjuring's moment, like the crooked man, Where, where is
that moment? And I was kind of disappointed
that we didn't get that. Like we saw Lorraine and a bunch
of blood, but you know, OK. Yeah.
I mean, even if we look at that basement scene again, she falls
into this big puddle of blood that doesn't necessarily exist.
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And something similar happens inthe second one, right?
They're in a basement, there's aflood.
They're swimming around. They can't do it.
So again, is it that they were pulling these things from the
past to kind of tie it all up orthat they run out of ideas?
That I don't know. But I I agree, even in that
final climactic moment where this demonic mirror is chopping
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people in half trying to at least there's we don't see
anything. Well, I think I what is really
funny, the more I think about that moment and again, like I I
think they shot this movie really well.
Like it's it's all pretty much in handheld, which gave like an
interesting depth of field, which made it, you know, fear
more 80s than before, which I liked.
But like that. But like the climactic moment
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was like the smurls kind of get literally moved out of the
picture, right. So I thought that was
interesting. And then it's just like the dad,
the Jack Smurrell and Ed and Tony kind of helping just moving
a mirror. Like I, it was interesting.
I was like, this is like how they're going to end this.
Like this franchise is like justmoving a mirror, which I did
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like it's spinning and it kind of, I guess tearing Tony up a
little bit. But that that was interesting.
I was just like, where's the where's the where's the ghosts?
Where's the demons? You know, my, my biggest worry
in that climax, and I really mean this, is that I hope no one
touches the mirror, right? That was the big thing.
Don't touch the mirror. Oh, no, they touched the mirror.
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Whereas in the past, it's literally like trying to
exercise a parent or, you know, trying to kill a child or
something. You know what I mean?
Like the stakes were much higherin those other ones than they
were in this one. And I think, you know, as far as
the Smurls are considered, again, we have a family dynamic
here. It feels very similar of them
living in this house and they can't leave and they're stuck
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there and they're trapped. I didn't.
I didn't appreciate their reasonfor not leaving.
Their reason for not leaving waslike, we're broke and it's like.
You don't even know anyone. Well, but like you're in the
80s, you know what I mean? Like, I know it's kind of rough,
but like, is dying better than not?
Yeah, it was just a weird like, also, why are the parents there?
Like do the parents live with them or could they go to their
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parents house or they live down the street?
I was just like a weird unanswered questions or I was
like, and there was this like undercurrent of like domestic
abuse and violence that was likewith the ghosts and could be
with the family that I think they just kind of glazed over,
which would admit made that partof the story a little more
compelling. Yeah, I mean, to me it felt like
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they just socio economically they couldn't pay to go to a
hotel. Maybe they didn't have any
family. Obviously the eight of them all
live together in that one house,so even the the younger family
couldn't live on their own. So that didn't bother me so
much. I also have to say 1 positive
thing is that sometimes I think when things are set in the 80s,
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it can feel very costumey, right?
We can automatically go to like tubular and things like that.
And so this took place in the 80s.
I felt like they didn't go too over the top with the costume
design because I think that that's really easy for costume
designers to do when it comes tothe 80s, just because we think
of Lemay dresses and you know, Jazzercise and things like that.
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So big, teased Poofy. Yes.
So I appreciated that about this.
They felt like real human characters in this world.
And I even think with Ed and Lorraine, this is the oldest
we're going to be seeing them out of the franchise and they
still looked great. You know, I did.
I thought it was funny that theystill dressed how they dressed
in this time, especially Lorraine.
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She was like a Stark, like, youroutfit's out of place now
because if you see her next to Judy, Judy with very much was
like Stevie Nicks and Lorraine was like, I don't know,
Victorian doll. Yeah.
So it was interesting to see them both together of like, oh,
like the times are literally changing.
They're eventually going to, I guess, teach a a new generation
of exorcists in some way. But I, I did think that that was
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that was nice. I like seeing them kind of this
is they're actually literally retiring because there's a new
generation here. Let's talk about Judy a little
bit. I really liked her.
I thought she was really good, really strong, and I liked that
idea of us kind of feeling like the gift has been passed on,
right? There is the one person in the
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relationship who has these psychic abilities and there's
the other person there that is going to protect them and uphold
them through all these trials and tribulations.
So I appreciate that. And I think that this, the
actress that played Judy, who I had mentioned isn't the one that
played her in the first 3 movies.
Mia Tomlinson think she did a fantastic job, especially in the
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scene where she's trying on the wedding dress in the endless
mirrors. Yeah, I I think the saving
graces for this movie for me is the cast, the performances,
Judy, Ed and Lorraine. I think Tony was fine.
But really they're the ones thatI sat in my theater seat for
over 2 hours to watch, right? Even though this was a new actor
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that played Judy, I love the character, right?
And we did see younger Judy to now and I think she looked like
her, like it look like, man, that could be her grown up,
right. So as fans of this franchise
seeing being with these characters for over 10 years, it
was nice. And to see that I think they did
a good job with Judy. I loved the wedding scene, even
though I was like, it's kind of cheesy for them to bring
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characters back. I did really like seeing those
characters and James Wan making an appearance in the crowd,
which I thought was nice. But yeah, I like Judy a lot.
I think her story was great. I liked the idea of her getting
the visions or the clairvoyancy that her mother had.
It did really annoy me though. It fell into that trope and trap
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of oh they're going to have the same ability as me, I need to
protect them and shelter from. It's like why though?
Like you know what could happen and also you.
Would think that over these years, Lorraine has learned that
hiding it is not the answer, right?
Right. It's what's giving them their
livelihood. It's what's connected them to
their faith. Why would she decide that for
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her daughter? Just because maybe seeing her
daughter as a little girl, she was scared.
Well, right. Yeah.
I mean, she, I think the idea isto protect them, right?
So it won't happen. But she should know from her own
experience that you can't necessarily completely shut that
off, right? It's like you're going to be
getting bouts of visions and stuff, which she did regardless
of teaching her how to shut those out.
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So there was just a few things in this movie were like the past
movies didn't really fall into generic tropes like that.
And this movie really I was like, why aren't you telling
each other things? This is weird.
Like, can y'all communicate? You guys aren't usually like
this. So it was weird of like, I know
why you're doing it to push the plot forward, but it's really
annoying because your charactersdon't do that.
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Yeah, I understand that and I think so.
Another interesting bit about this movie is that we do see a
younger Ed and Lorraine Warren loved it, yeah, played by
different actors, but they looked so much like them.
They did such a great job at thecasting there.
But we see in that first scene, this mirror demon once tried to
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take Judy's life when she was inEuro, right?
And then she was stillborn when she was born, but they brought
her back. So maybe that has something to
do with, I don't know, Lorraine being so protective of her,
perhaps. But you know, again, it was
really rooted in this family story and what it led to to now.
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I like that. I think it was nice to have like
they're one of their very first cases come back to them, right.
Did I think it was as bitey or as like intense or the the one
that ended it all for them? No, I don't like that.
I think that's what was like disappointing because they
themselves hyped it up. But I liked that there was a
through line with that. As soon as they saw that mirror,
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they're like this is the same mirror.
It's scary, right? But I think in the inverse of
that, every conjuring we we get a name for the demon or the
entity, right? We have Valik, which we know
from the nun, right? We have Bathsheba from the first
one, The third one. What was the third one's name?
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Do we do we even get it? Oh, it was the the Occultist.
Yeah. And in this one, I think one of
the things that was really missing was a name.
Yeah. We learn in the first one, when
you learn the name of the demon,you have power over it.
So for them to not know the nameof this demon that was
apparently using the three ghosts as a shield, kind of like
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in the second one, was odd, was an odd choice.
I felt like, OK, I guess they'redone.
Right. And you know, it's, it's funny
because one of the pieces that Ilike of The Conjuring so much is
when they're putting the clues together to figure everything
out, to see what happened to this family in this house and
where this demonic presence camefrom.
And you know, in the third one, I thought they went there too
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far, right. It was 2 paranormal detectives.
This one was nothing at all. They didn't do any research.
They didn't go out to find any information.
Well. They were reluctant to take
cases physically, like actual cases, you know, So it was
interesting for them to like, OK, fine.
But then immediately get to exercising it.
Yeah. She was like, that's so Raven.
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She's just like, oh, it's a family of three and there's a
demon using them as. Puppets, yeah, which again, I
think is like weird that we got a story where like a big
malevolent valic was using a ghost if somebody manipulate
them, but then we didn't really see the wizard behind that
manipulation, right. So I think like just kind of
wrapping up our thoughts or this, you know, the movie.
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I didn't appreciate them torturing that dog for no
apparent reason, Simon. But I'm glad Simon survived,
unlike Sadie from the last firstone.
I think it was a fine installment, but this feels like
more like a third, not a final. I am a little disappointed as
like we watch these Conjuring movies that even though this is
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like the highest grossing horrorfranchise and film history, the
more they've gone on, the less it looks like it has money, if
that makes sense. Like the first one is just
unbeatable. It's unbeatable and sound design
and acting and scares and just using it.
And so like when we finally get to this fourth one, AKA like I
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think the 8th movie in the wholefranchise, I wanted more.
I wanted a little a little punchier.
And it's always so interesting to me sometimes when you see
movies where the first one it's like 1 writer and it's stellar,
and then by the third one it's like 3 writers and two people
helping to write the story. On top of that.
It's like something doesn't feelas authentic as it did.
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And I think maybe that has something to do with like we
just have to get this last one out there.
I don't know. But I think I feel a lot of the
same sentiments that you do, butI still liked it.
And I, and I think The thing is,is that I wanted to kind of get
into some of these callbacks that we keep mentioning.
So I'm going to list some off and then we can stop and talk
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about them. So the thing that Noah mentions
that there's a lot of guest appearances here, right?
So at the AT Ed's barbecue in the beginning for his birthday,
we have Brad the cop from the first one and we even get a
glimpse of Drew who was their assistant in the 1st 2:00.
Annabelle obviously is back in action.
We get the call back to the MissMe from the pre story of the
first one. We get the music box in the kids
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room mimicking a music box and one and two very much looking
like the crooked man spinning thing.
We have another spooky doll Susie.
We have Valek being spelled out in some children's blocks.
That's what that was. Spelling.
Dang it. Yeah, so we see that again.
We have Judy Zlocka coming back.We have the basement hauntings.
We have, you know, in the first one we had hide and clap.
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In this one we see the kids playa prank on the mom, which the
ghost uses again to trick the mom.
Again. The animals, some died, some
didn't. One of the other things I
thought of was that we see Ed making pancakes for the family
again and them taking care of them.
I really liked Tony being like, is this part of it?
Is this cause like he's, he's onthe investigation, right?
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And even though Ed says no, yes,it 100% is part of it because he
does that every time for the family.
And I think it's just a comforting thing, right?
Absolutely, because he does say part of our job here is to also
take care of this family becausethey've been through so much.
And then that end wedding scene,Judy's wedding, we have Julian
Hillard as David from the third one.
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We have Madison Wolf and FrancisO'Connor as two of the Hodgens
from the second one. And of course, we have Lily
Taylor as Carolyn and Mackenzie Foy as Cindy.
Two of the parents have come from Rhode Island to see Judy
get married. That's so sweet.
I really love that. Like that.
To me, I don't know what it is about Lily Taylor.
Anytime I see that woman on Scream, I, like, jump out of my
seat. I'm so excited.
So seeing her there as really she was kind of, to me, the main
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driving force of the first movie, Yeah.
Yeah. And I think we we saw that
connection, right. We saw.
I do feel like, unfortunately, Ilike James Wan's direction a
little more than Michael Chavs. I think James Wan kind of
understood the vision that he was trying to do, and Michael
feels more like a studio touch to it.
And I don't particularly like that the first two are vastly
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different from the last two. And it's just like you said,
focusing more on the family that's getting haunted with Ed
and Lorraine coming in. But saying that the last image
that we get of Ed and Lorraine dancing at their daughter's
wedding, right before that, Lorraine says, I got a vision
and she literally spells out therest of their lives, which was
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beautiful. And it's everything that they
wanted, right? I love that moment.
I love it. And it when I heard that they're
thinking about making a prequel series of like young Ed and
Lorraine, I get the actors that played young them in this.
It'd be amazing. I kind of was like really happy
about it because I do love thesecharacters.
I don't like the actual Ed and Lorraine Warren.
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I like these versions. I like the fictional versions
and I just kind of want more of them.
You know, I, I think it's, it's,it's, they created something
very interesting to where it is a cozy, haunting house movies
that like there's some gore and stuff like that.
But like, I still get surprised that like this one is rated R.
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It does not feel like it should be rated R because it's like, I
could pop this on and like have it on while I'm like cooking
dinner or something, you know what I mean?
Like it's just it's super chill.Yeah, I like, you know, we have
cozy fantasies now, and I like the idea of cozy horror movies
as well. That's really my type of horror
movie, really kind of about the people, about the experience.
There's a couple of jump scares in there.
And you know, I have to say thatthat final scene of Lorraine
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having that vision of the rest of their lives actually brought
a tear to my eyes. I heard because I.
Really do love these characters.I love what they've built in
this Conjuring universe. I love this idea of leading with
kindness and love and faith. I don't think you see that a lot
in horror movies, and so seeing their story spelled out
definitely made me feel emotional.
(24:10):
And then of course, our final text letting everyone know how
they passed away and how they were together till the end.
Actually really sad. Yeah, it was really sad that
she. She lived a really long,
beautiful life. I didn't.
Realize she was that old. Yeah, that's damn.
So I, I will say that I felt moved by that.
I thought it was a nice final chapter to this book of The
(24:30):
Conjuring. I will say that when we left the
movie theater, there was this guy and he was saying to his
family, this movie wasn't scary at all.
And it's that idea of I don't necessarily know that it's
supposed to be like, so scary. Yeah, I, I do feel like, I don't
think it's supposed to be like super, super like Uber
terrifying. But I do think it was missing
(24:52):
some of those like quiet intensewhere the score is really
driving the fear. I think it was missing that part
to it, right. The sound design wasn't as good
as the other ones. And I think it kind of just
plays into that, right? If like, we're supposed to be
scared of a mirror, right? And a guy in overalls like it's
not going to work. But I feel like this movie,
(25:13):
oddly, was more of a family drama than it was of an actual
haunting. Last rites more like last
wrongs. I did.
Well, we didn't say Father Gordon does make an appearance
in this and he does unfortunately not make it out of
the series. So he does.
He's like, really the only casualty.
Trigger warning. Honestly though, for Death by
hanging 3 three different times,it's pretty rough.
(25:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's that, I guessnow makes sense why it's rated
R, right? Yeah, that's true.
A girl vomiting blood doesn't put it at rated R.
But that was Grouse, though. That was Grouse, yeah.
OK, so this is until the show comes out, our final kind of
talking of The Conjuring, right?We ranked our first three in the
(26:00):
last episode. Just to remind people my ranking
was what was it 132 I believe and yours was 123 going in best
to least. What is your ranking now with
the 4th 1? Oh gosh, you know, I think my
love for this franchise is blinding me a little bit, but
I'm going to go into that and lean into it.
(26:22):
I'm going to go 1243. So this is just skipping ahead
of #3 into the third position. Interesting.
I'm I think I actually have to say the same.
I'm changing my rankings. I'm going 124 and three.
Honestly, yeah, because I think the more I think about it, I
(26:43):
think we were just so fresh off of watching 3 and I think it was
intense in some ways that the first two weren't in like real
horror, right, Which I did like.But the more I think about, it's
like, oh, that didn't feel like The Conjuring.
That just felt like a Hills haveEyes type thing, right.
But I just like you. I love these characters.
So I think just seeing them veryexceptionally happy and they got
(27:07):
everything that they wanted justwarms my little exorcist heart,
yeah. I think for me, if this one had
a little more detective work in it and didn't have that dumb
giant Annabelle. Yeah, that was weird.
I also, I don't understand. Like I guess she was terrified
of Annabelle ever since she was little.
I was just like confused why Annabelle was so involved in
this. It almost, it felt overplayed.
(27:28):
I was like, Annabelle got 2 movies.
We've seen her in almost every single Conjuring.
Like get her out of here. Let her.
Retire just hates Judy, right? That's it.
She just, she just hates her andshe's willing to take her down
at any. Cost.
Please do no. No, not Judy, but I really do
hope we get a prequel series. I would love to see Young, Ed
and Lorraine seeing more cases. I'm really curious to see if
(27:49):
it's going to be like one off per episode or just one case for
the entire season. I'm I'm really interested to see
that. Yeah, I'm not sure too sure who
would have the right. Is it paramount?
It's going to. Was it HBO that might be doing
it? I don't know.
All right, we'll see. We'll find out.
Yeah, let us know who you thought of last Rite slash The
Conjuring franchise, because nowit's done.
(28:12):
I don't even think there's any spin offs or anything planned so
except for the prequel series so.
Guess what? Annabelle 4.
She's back, baby. Keep forgetting there's the
third one. All right, Well, till next time.
Bye.
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