January 14, 2025 • 29 mins
Could understanding firearm safety from a young age be the key to protecting our children? Join us, Jane Burt and my daughter Bobbi, as we navigate the emotional landscape of Second Amendment rights after a school shooting impacted our family earlier this year. Sharing our personal experiences, we emphasize the necessity of teaching children about gun safety, even in homes without firearms. Our conversation explores the delicate balance between maintaining personal beliefs in gun rights and ensuring public safety in increasingly urgent times.
We tackle the controversial debate around assault weapons and gun control, cutting through misconceptions and highlighting the importance of responsible gun ownership. Please note, the opinions are ours, yours may differ. This episode offers a heartfelt journey through the complexities of gun rights and personal safety, aiming to shed light on these pressing issues.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
welcome everyone to today's show.
Boomerang and gen x are walkingto a bar.
My name is jane burt, myco-host is my daughter, bobby,
and for the next several minuteswe're going to try to entertain
you and I just want to telleverybody we appreciate all the
comments that we're getting onour Facebook page and the
(00:33):
feedback that we're receivingfrom people and just, we love
you guys and we love doing thisand we just have a fun time
doing it.
And, bobby, how are you doingtoday?
I'm cold.
A fun time doing it.
And Bobby, how are you doingtoday?
I'm cold.
She's in Iowa, so we're stillon the road.
We're not in the rabbit holestudio, otherwise we'd probably
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have a little bit better audio.
But we're on the road and we'regoing to make it happen, aren't
we?
Absolutely?
What's our topic today, bobbi?
Have you thought about what wewant to talk about?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, today's topic is going to be something that
has been brought up a lot overthe last year, especially with
our family, and I think whatwe're going to do is we're going
to talk about our SecondAmendment right and kind of, you
know, maybe dip into, uh, ourstance on it nice, I'm ready to
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rock and roll on that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
One second amendment rights.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So do you want to do.
You have it in front of you.
Do you want to read the exactsecond, second amendment, right?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
uh, do I have it in front of me um second amendment.
Wow, that it's kind of longthough.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, let's just break it down.
I mean, you know, basicallyit's a well-regulated militia
being necessary to the securityof a free state.
The right of the people to keepand bear arms shall not be
infringed Right.
The right of the people to keepand bear arms shall not be
infringed Right.
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This means different things todifferent people.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
There's been a lot of debate over it, that's for sure
, and we did a podcast here notlong ago about what has happened
to our family.
We will recap here just forjust a minute for those of you
who may not have heard thatparticular podcast.
Our family, our grandson, mygrandson, bobby's son and
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daughter were involved in aschool shooting in Perry, iowa
first first part of January of2024.
My grandson was shot nine timesand, uh, well, had nine bullets
in him and, uh, he survived.
Thank God for that.
And we're still, um, we're stillvery raw about that and if you
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listen to the podcast, there's atwo part podcast out there that
talks about it and it's veryemotional for us and it was
really hard for us to do.
And so, if you get theopportunity and you haven've got
to be questioning why ourstate's government and school
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boards are not protecting ourchildren better, and you know we
talked about that in thatparticular podcast.
But what resulted from thatpodcast and the not the podcast,
excuse me what resulted fromthe shooting was a lot of media
attention that we chose not toparticipate in, but we did have
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people who came up to us lateror who contacted us later and
said how do you feel about guncontrol now?
How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And they still do, and they still do how do you
feel about gun control now?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And they still do, and they still do.
How do you feel about theSecond Amendment now?
Has your position changed?
And for me I will say myposition has not, Bobbi has
yours.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I would say that mostly it has not, but in some
ways it absolutely has.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Let's talk about that .
In what way?
So let's talk about what yourposition is to begin with, as it
relates to, you know, theability to have a to protect
your rights and possess afirearm that is not connected
with the service in a militiaand to use to protect yourself.
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How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, let's go back first.
You know a lot of people thinkthat when we talk about a
well-regulated militia this dayand age it would be something
like the National Guard, andthat's not exactly what I
believe, that it you know thatit was to be.
You know a well regulatedmilitia is more of a personal
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safety.
So a militia can be five or 10people from your neighborhood
Okay, if they're well-armed.
So there's been a lot of backand forth, you know, with that
and things like that.
My stance is and has always beenwe own firearms, I own firearms
them from a very young age.
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They were taught firearm safety.
They were taught you know thatthat weapon is loaded, even if
you know it's unloaded.
They were taught you know youdon't aim a weapon at something
you don't plan on.
You know you don't, you don'tplan on taking out.
And they know the consequencesof having a firearm, of holding
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a firearm, of discharging afirearm.
But they've been taught thatfrom a very, very young age.
I think my youngest was threeyears old when she started
learning firearm safety.
And that's a big deal to me,not only for my own home, but
even if I didn't own firearms,if they're going to go into
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someone else's home, who's tosay that they're not going to
find a firearm there?
And they need to know what todo and how to stay safe, not
only for themselves, but foreveryone around them.
So I am for firearm you know,proper firearm ownership.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I am for safe firearm ownership, but more so I am for
firearm education.
Very few of my grandkids haveever shot a gun, but they have
been taught safe practicesaround firearms.
And the reason that I thinkthat's important.
And I'll just tell you what mystance is.
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I support being able to have myown weapons to protect myself
and I don't think you or anybodyelse gets to tell me what that
weapon is Period, correct,voluntary turn in or a buyback
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of assault weapons.
You don't get to tell me what Iget to own and what I don't get
to own.
And you know, when we talkabout the school shootings which
of course we're very concernedwith, we're very concerned about
the protection of our childrenhow many of those have been done
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with an assault weapon.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
There have been actually quite a few that have
been done with assault styleweapons or automatic style
weapons.
I'd have to look that up.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I guess I should have done that before we started
this, but I didn't.
But I would have to contradictyou, bobby.
I don't think that kids aregetting a hold of, or anyone
that is going into a school isgetting a hold of an assault
weapon, a repeating rifle oranything like that.
I don't think that they aregetting a hold of those.
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I think they're getting a holdof their, you know, their dad's
.22, their dad's handgun ortheir mom's handgun.
And the problem is is peoplekeep these weapons secrets to
their kids as opposed toeducating them on them.
You know, what are they usedfor, what could happen, what's
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the end result?
Um, that sort of thing.
And then, ultimately, how tohandle one, because you don't
handle a weapon haphazardly andyou see some people who
definitelydo.
But, uh, getting back to youknow what I can own and what I
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can't own.
I am a strong believer that youdon't get the right to tell me
what I can and can't own.
If I want to own a tank, I'mgoing to own it, right, right,
you know.
So what's happened now sincethe shooting is we have had
people ask us you know how doyou feel now?
And you know, I guess I feelthe same, other than I do wonder
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why we don't have more outcryfrom our parents and
grandparents, from the statesand the school boards saying,
hey, why are you not protectingmy
children?
And the Second Amendment givesme the right to own and have a
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gun or a weapon, and the fact ofthe matter is I don't have to
be in the Army to own one, and Ithink that's the controversy is
.
Oh, the Second Amendment waswritten to to ensure that you
know, our militia, our armies,our navies, our air force,
whoever it is it's protectingour country, has the right to
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carry.
That's not what that means.
That's not what that means.
And and so, um, you know, Ithink I think.
That's where I think that'swhere it rubs the wrong way with
people.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, let's be honest .
You know you look at themilitary here in the States.
Excuse me If you're ever on amilitary base.
The only ones who are qualifiedto carry weapons on a military
base of military personnel areusually military police officers
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while they're on duty on thatbase is that correct?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I have to ask, I have to.
I have to defer to dr domain,since he spent a significant
amount of time in the military.
Is that true, dr domain?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
generally.
I mean, if there's, if there'sa requirement that someone has
to have a weapon to do their job, to carry out their mission.
But every soldier is trained touse a firearm and that's your
mission, that's your train tokill.
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That's it.
That's the truth of it.
The fact we're using this termassault weapon.
That's so arbitrary.
That's just some term thatanti-gun activists had created.
There's no real cleardefinition of what an assault
weapon is.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Right, because some people are very confused with
what an AR means.
They think it means assaultrifle.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It does not.
No, it's the company that makesit actually.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So I guess.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Anyway, getting back, getting back to my point, you
know you're not seeing everymilitary member on base carrying
a fully loaded weapon all thetime, because here in the States
most of the jobs they don'trequire that fully loaded weapon
all the time.
Now, when you go overseas, yes,you are armed.
You know everyone, from IT tologistics to you know the
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Rangers.
They are.
They're weaponized because whenyou're in a combat zone, you
have to be.
You have to be at all times.
So you know a lot of people.
You know they want to go backto this.
The second amendment, right Of.
They're saying well, well,well-regulated militia is the
only one who needs them.
The military is the only onewho needs them.
That's not what they're saying.
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That is not what they're sayingat all.
What they're saying is we havethe right to own those weapons
so that anytime, we have theright to protect our family, to
protect our lives, to protectour property, things like that.
And too many people want toargue about the fact that, well,
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you know, we don't need thesekinds of weapons in, you know,
in regular people's hands.
I tend to disagree.
You know the Supreme Court backin 2023, they tried.
I don't know if they actuallypassed it, but they tried to
make a ruling that the automaticweapons, the assault weapons
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quote unquote were actually notcovered by the Second Amendment
for citizens of the UnitedStates.
And I have to argue that.
I have to argue that becauseyou're not going to come in and
tell me what I need to protectmy home.
You're not going to come in andtell me what I need.
You know if, if I'm outsomewhere and I need protection,
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because I'm telling you rightnow a 22 handgun isn't going to
take down a bear, you know ifI'm getting attacked.
So you know I kind of takeoffense to that just because of
the fact that, yeah, you're notgoing to come in and tell me
what I can or can't own, if I'mlegally allowed to have that
weapon, if I, if I'm notdiscredited from having that
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weapon because of a felony orwhatever.
That.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I think mental illness was one of the other
arguments.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, and most recently they have done the
argument of medical marijuanacards.
If you have a medical marijuanacard, you are not allowed to
own firearms anymore.
You are not allowed to ownfirearms anymore.
I don't agree with that.
I don't agree with that at all,because you're not going to
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tell me that somebody who has,you know, three DWIs, who got a
slap on the wrist, can own aweapon.
When I have a medical need forcannabis and you're telling me I
can't own a weapon, I don'tagree with that.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, I understand that too, Because, I'll be
honest with you, I had a medicalmarijuana card and I was not
aware that I could not own, or Iguess I.
Yeah, I couldn't own a gun orcarry a gun, whatever the law
says, if I had that card, and soI let that expire, because my
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second amendment is moreimportant to me than the medical
marijuana, so I let that expireand I'm not interested in that
anymore.
But yeah, so now here's theargument, though how do we
control all the shootings?
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I mean, what are you going todo about all of the shootings
that are out there?
And you know it's, it's ofconcern?
I mean, it isn't just goinginto the schools, it isn't just
the school board or the state,you know, protecting our kids.
Somebody could open fire in aBurger King for crying out loud,
or somebody could open fire,you know, in a Walmart and
probably have.
(16:06):
I mean, I didn't look at everysingle case, but they probably
have.
And what do you do?
You know, how do you controlthat?
Because there's a lot of peoplewho are advocates for saying,
hey, let's pull every weapon.
You know, off the streets.
The problem with that is wehave a lot of terrible people
out there, and it's the terriblepeople that are committing the
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crimes, and they're going to getweapons one way or another, as
I say they're not.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
They're not going to the the um gun store and getting
it legally.
No, that's for sure.
No, like you can sit here andoutlaw weapons for everybody who
obtains them legally, becausethat's the only way you're going
to be able to track them.
Let's be honest, the only wayyou're going to be able to track
these weapons is forresponsible gun ownership to
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come up and say I'm buying thisweapon, this is my name, this is
my.
You know criminal history.
This weapon has a serial numberthat is now attached to my name
.
Um, but when it comes down toit, you're looking at weapons
that have no serial numbersbecause they've been scratched
off, because they've been stolen, they've been resold, they have
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, you know it.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's been obtained illegally, possibly out of the
country, whether they're in thecountry or out of the country.
But don't we kind of go throughthat scrutiny anyway?
Because I mean, I have a, Ihave a permit to carry and I
have to get that through thesheriff's department and they're
checking my background, they'rechecking everything on me
before they give me that permit.
(17:39):
So it isn't like I, you know,like I'm, I don't go through the
scrutiny because I do.
Now, does everybody go andobtain a permit to carry?
The answer is no, and in someStates you're not even required
to have a permit anymore tocarry.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Right, Right, I was one of them.
I was one of them.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You don't have to have a permit to open carry
Right, and so you know there issome scrutiny.
Let's not act like there isn't.
There is some scrutiny, youknow, and anybody who opens fire
on a group of people, or even asingle person for that matter,
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has to have something wrong withthem.
Right, and people go.
Well, you know.
How do you get the guns out ofthe hands of people who are
mentally ill.
How do you assess that?
Because it's hard to assesswhether somebody is mentally ill
.
Let's look at what's happenedover the last three years in the
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political agenda, you know Iwould say there was a lot of
people who were crazy on bothsides, Right and acting crazy
and acting like they werementally ill and still are.
But I'm not going to assessthem because that's that's not
what an assessment of mentalillness is.
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And you know we could.
We could probably do anotherpodcast on health care, because
I'm a firm believer.
We don't have a health caresystem in the United States.
We have a health response systemin the United States.
That's it.
You know, if you're really sick, we'll give you a pill.
That's about it, and so wedon't really have a good mental
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health system in the US in myopinion, this is my opinion,
this whole thing is nothing butour opinions.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Right, but we both have personal experience in that
.
You know, we me with mychildren personally happened to
drive six hours to get one of mychildren mental health care
because in the state of Iowathere's not enough, there's not
enough and there's not enoughoptions, there's not enough
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coverage, there's not enoughcare providers, things that you
know.
But when it comes to people whowant to hurt other people,
let's be honest, it's not justguns, right?
Okay, it's not just guns.
Everybody wants to come back tothe gun debate.
Okay, how are we going to keepguns out of there?
How are we going to keep knivesout of their hands?
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Right?
How are we going to keep acidattacks from happening?
Right?
How are we going to keep thesepeople from getting behind the
wheel of a car and running intoa crowd of people?
How?
You know it right, there aremultiple ways that people hurt
other people.
So when it all comes back tothe gun debate, you know it kind
of rubs me raw because it'slike why are you nitpick,
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nitpicking one out of all theseways that people are hurting
other people and not getting tothe core of why they're hurting?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
other people.
If we really look at the rootcause and keep tracking it back,
it does boil back to Um, andagain, this is my opinion, I I
am not a doctor, I'm not apsychologist Uh, but it really
does get back to um, you know,some of their mental wellness.
(21:12):
It gets back to theirexperiences.
It gets back to there's so muchanger right now.
I mean, look at how much roadrage we have right now and
people are getting killed withvehicles for crying out loud.
Road rage is crazy.
And I've been seeing a lot morereels on social media where
people are brake checking peoplejust to get insurance claims.
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They're killing people on thesehighways and just to get a
claim and just to get a claim.
And so you know, if you go backto what the root cause of it is
, you know we're not doing agood job with ensuring that we
have some support for ourchildren that are growing up,
our young adults and then theadults that actually need the
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help.
It's hard to get help.
It's hard to get mental help.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's very hard and I'm going to call it out right
now.
I see too many times that thereare too many signs, you know,
in these young adults and thesechildren leading up to you know
what's going to happen or whatthey're planning, and too many
times they're ignored.
(22:23):
These parents aren't parenting,these schools aren't
intervening, you know, and it'sjust kind of swept to the
wayside by.
Oh well, you know we can't dealwith that right now, or I don't
want to deal with that, or kidswill be kids, or you know
things like that and we need tostep up.
We need to step up.
You know there's been a lot ofinstances where report after
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report and I'll say it, it's out.
You know, the report is outright now the our school shooter
.
There were years upon years uponyears of reports of this kid
and his disturbances, his mentalhealth issues, his, you know,
dark thoughts, his obsessionwith school shootings, things
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like that, and nothing was done,not a damn thing was done to to
correct this kid, to see whatthey could do for this kid.
It just kept getting, you know,pushed to the side, pushed to
the side and pushed to the side,and this happened.
And so we really need to stepup and we really need to look at
our kids and say you know, ifthere's problems on social media
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, guess what, social media isgone.
Right.
If there's problems at school,guess what?
I'm going to sit my ass in thatchair next to you for every
class until you start actingright.
Because until parents actuallyput their foot in these kids
butts and start saying, look,I'm here for you, but I'm not
going to let this slide.
Yeah, these kids are going tocontinue to get away with
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whatever they're going to getaway with, right.
And you know, and it's seen,it's not just in the family
thing, it's not just these kidsacting out within the families.
This is a wider problem.
They're bringing it to theschools, they're bringing it to
the malls, they're bringing itto birthday parties, where these
kids are getting shot upbecause of their crap talking or
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whatever it's like.
That needs to stop happening.
That needs to stop happening.
People need to start steppingin.
They need to start growing up.
You know, okay, granted, theparents might've had a crappy
childhood.
Okay, deal with it.
You're an adult Now you havechildren.
Stop pushing that generationaltrauma onto them and start
fixing it because, that's yourjob, right.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And you know, I just want to reiterate that, you know
, this whole topic that came upagain was because we were kind
of, I will say, badgered.
We've been badgered about thisa little bit since the shooting
and people are, you know, reallytrying to say and it's been,
it's been kind of negative.
You know well, what do youthink now?
(25:01):
And, uh, what you know, we, wejust feel very fortunate that
our, that uh, corey is alive andJoey's alive and and no other
children were, were hurt.
Um, but we, we want action toprotect them in the future is
what we want, and it isn'ttaking a gun away.
Let's focus on the people andlet's be honest.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I mean we're gonna carry, we continue to carry, I
will carry, you will carry, um,you know, and when it comes down
to it I feel bad.
You know, I have a lot ofregrets that day because I went
running for that school, I wentto go running into that school
and that morning I was in mypajamas, I wasn wasn't carrying.
And that is one of my biggestregrets because I'm, like you
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know, going through my mind.
I'm like I wasn't carrying thatday.
What if I would have gotteninto that school and come face
to face with that shooter, right, right you know, and it's like
it.
It.
It solidifies the fact that, asa responsible gun owner, as
someone who knows her mentalhealth and things like that, I
will continue to carry.
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I will carry when I need to.
I will carry when I don't thinkI need to.
I will carry.
If it makes you uncomfortable,I don't give a shit because when
it comes down to it, thedifference between stopping a
bad guy with a gun is it's agood guy with a gun, whether it
be police, whether it be alaw-abiding citizen that you
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know is carrying and knows whatthey're doing.
But I'm asking people if you'regoing to carry, know what
you're doing right because Idon't want some you know john
wayne to come in and go.
Well, I'll get this partner andstart shooting into people.
You know a crowd of peopletrying to get the bad guy when
they don't know what the hellthey're doing.
Right, and then carry.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Be responsible, know what you're doing, take the
classes, take the time you know,go to the gun range, be
comfortable with it and ifyou're not, don't carry, yeah,
and, and we're running out oftime now and we're we're going
to end this podcast here in justa few minutes, but, uh, I just
want to reiterate we are notexperts in this field.
(27:10):
We were asked our opinion.
We're giving you our opinionand telling you how we feel.
Um, I've always said, justbecause you carry doesn't mean
you ever shoot.
I have never pulled my gun.
Uh, I would only pull my gun ina life and death situation.
I would never fling it aroundjust to scare somebody.
(27:31):
You know that's irresponsibleand that just shows the lack of
you know training as it relatesto weapons.
But, that's a whole differentshow, that's a whole different
discussion.
But we just we really wanted totalk about this because it was
brought to our attention.
Now you know how we feel.
(27:52):
You know we would neveradvocate.
You know, even though we docarry, we would never advocate
pulling that gun, because weknow that if we're going to pull
it, we're going to use it.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And so, therefore, we don't advocate violence.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Absolutely not.
Look how much we tried to avoidit.
After this whole thing happened, and we tried to avoid the hate
, all we said was we feelgrateful, we feel, you know, we
love our kids and grandkids andwe love the kids in the
community and we want themprotected.
That's all we want.
And so, anyway, bobby, I thinkwe've probably bled that one dry
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.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I think we have, and that's all the insanity that we
do have for today.
So we appreciate you joining us, not here at the Rabbit Hole
Studios.
We'll call it the Rabbit RunStudios.
There we go, be sure youjoining us, not here at the
Rabbit Hole Studios.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
We'll call it the Rabbit Run.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Studios.
There we go.
Be sure to follow us.
We look forward to spendingtime with you each and every
week.
Please like us, and if you havepositive feedback for us or if
there's a topic that you want usto talk about, drop us an email
at boomerangenexor at gmailcom.
If you have hate mail, well youknow where you can put that.
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So until next week, I'm bobbyjoy and I'm jane burke and
you're stuck with us hey, thatwas a little off.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Let's try that again bobby and you're stuck with us.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Oh, we can't even get it right, bye-bye for now.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Later.
welcome everyone to today's show.
Boomerang and gen x are walkingto a bar.
My name is jane burt, myco-host is my daughter, bobby,
and for the next several minuteswe're going to try to entertain
you and I just want to telleverybody we appreciate all the
comments that we're getting onour Facebook page and the
(00:33):
feedback that we're receivingfrom people and just, we love
you guys and we love doing thisand we just have a fun time
doing it.
And, bobby, how are you doingtoday?
I'm cold.
A fun time doing it.
And Bobby, how are you doingtoday?
I'm cold.
She's in Iowa, so we're stillon the road.
We're not in the rabbit holestudio, otherwise we'd probably
(00:59):
have a little bit better audio.
But we're on the road and we'regoing to make it happen, aren't
we?
Absolutely?
What's our topic today, bobbi?
Have you thought about what wewant to talk about?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, today's topic is going to be something that
has been brought up a lot overthe last year, especially with
our family, and I think whatwe're going to do is we're going
to talk about our SecondAmendment right and kind of, you
know, maybe dip into, uh, ourstance on it nice, I'm ready to
(01:29):
rock and roll on that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
One second amendment rights.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So do you want to do.
You have it in front of you.
Do you want to read the exactsecond, second amendment, right?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
uh, do I have it in front of me um second amendment.
Wow, that it's kind of longthough.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, let's just break it down.
I mean, you know, basicallyit's a well-regulated militia
being necessary to the securityof a free state.
The right of the people to keepand bear arms shall not be
infringed Right.
The right of the people to keepand bear arms shall not be
infringed Right.
(02:09):
This means different things todifferent people.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
There's been a lot of debate over it, that's for sure
, and we did a podcast here notlong ago about what has happened
to our family.
We will recap here just forjust a minute for those of you
who may not have heard thatparticular podcast.
Our family, our grandson, mygrandson, bobby's son and
(02:35):
daughter were involved in aschool shooting in Perry, iowa
first first part of January of2024.
My grandson was shot nine timesand, uh, well, had nine bullets
in him and, uh, he survived.
Thank God for that.
And we're still, um, we're stillvery raw about that and if you
(02:58):
listen to the podcast, there's atwo part podcast out there that
talks about it and it's veryemotional for us and it was
really hard for us to do.
And so, if you get theopportunity and you haven've got
to be questioning why ourstate's government and school
(03:29):
boards are not protecting ourchildren better, and you know we
talked about that in thatparticular podcast.
But what resulted from thatpodcast and the not the podcast,
excuse me what resulted fromthe shooting was a lot of media
attention that we chose not toparticipate in, but we did have
(03:52):
people who came up to us lateror who contacted us later and
said how do you feel about guncontrol now?
How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And they still do, and they still do how do you
feel about gun control now?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And they still do, and they still do.
How do you feel about theSecond Amendment now?
Has your position changed?
And for me I will say myposition has not, Bobbi has
yours.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I would say that mostly it has not, but in some
ways it absolutely has.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Let's talk about that .
In what way?
So let's talk about what yourposition is to begin with, as it
relates to, you know, theability to have a to protect
your rights and possess afirearm that is not connected
with the service in a militiaand to use to protect yourself.
(04:50):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, let's go back first.
You know a lot of people thinkthat when we talk about a
well-regulated militia this dayand age it would be something
like the National Guard, andthat's not exactly what I
believe, that it you know thatit was to be.
You know a well regulatedmilitia is more of a personal
(05:19):
safety.
So a militia can be five or 10people from your neighborhood
Okay, if they're well-armed.
So there's been a lot of backand forth, you know, with that
and things like that.
My stance is and has always beenwe own firearms, I own firearms
them from a very young age.
(05:42):
They were taught firearm safety.
They were taught you know thatthat weapon is loaded, even if
you know it's unloaded.
They were taught you know youdon't aim a weapon at something
you don't plan on.
You know you don't, you don'tplan on taking out.
And they know the consequencesof having a firearm, of holding
(06:03):
a firearm, of discharging afirearm.
But they've been taught thatfrom a very, very young age.
I think my youngest was threeyears old when she started
learning firearm safety.
And that's a big deal to me,not only for my own home, but
even if I didn't own firearms,if they're going to go into
(06:24):
someone else's home, who's tosay that they're not going to
find a firearm there?
And they need to know what todo and how to stay safe, not
only for themselves, but foreveryone around them.
So I am for firearm you know,proper firearm ownership.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I am for safe firearm ownership, but more so I am for
firearm education.
Very few of my grandkids haveever shot a gun, but they have
been taught safe practicesaround firearms.
And the reason that I thinkthat's important.
And I'll just tell you what mystance is.
(07:17):
I support being able to have myown weapons to protect myself
and I don't think you or anybodyelse gets to tell me what that
weapon is Period, correct,voluntary turn in or a buyback
(07:43):
of assault weapons.
You don't get to tell me what Iget to own and what I don't get
to own.
And you know, when we talkabout the school shootings which
of course we're very concernedwith, we're very concerned about
the protection of our childrenhow many of those have been done
(08:04):
with an assault weapon.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
There have been actually quite a few that have
been done with assault styleweapons or automatic style
weapons.
I'd have to look that up.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I guess I should have done that before we started
this, but I didn't.
But I would have to contradictyou, bobby.
I don't think that kids aregetting a hold of, or anyone
that is going into a school isgetting a hold of an assault
weapon, a repeating rifle oranything like that.
I don't think that they aregetting a hold of those.
(08:41):
I think they're getting a holdof their, you know, their dad's
.22, their dad's handgun ortheir mom's handgun.
And the problem is is peoplekeep these weapons secrets to
their kids as opposed toeducating them on them.
You know, what are they usedfor, what could happen, what's
(09:03):
the end result?
Um, that sort of thing.
And then, ultimately, how tohandle one, because you don't
handle a weapon haphazardly andyou see some people who
definitelydo.
But, uh, getting back to youknow what I can own and what I
(09:23):
can't own.
I am a strong believer that youdon't get the right to tell me
what I can and can't own.
If I want to own a tank, I'mgoing to own it, right, right,
you know.
So what's happened now sincethe shooting is we have had
people ask us you know how doyou feel now?
And you know, I guess I feelthe same, other than I do wonder
(09:51):
why we don't have more outcryfrom our parents and
grandparents, from the statesand the school boards saying,
hey, why are you not protectingmy
children?
And the Second Amendment givesme the right to own and have a
(10:11):
gun or a weapon, and the fact ofthe matter is I don't have to
be in the Army to own one, and Ithink that's the controversy is
.
Oh, the Second Amendment waswritten to to ensure that you
know, our militia, our armies,our navies, our air force,
whoever it is it's protectingour country, has the right to
(10:32):
carry.
That's not what that means.
That's not what that means.
And and so, um, you know, Ithink I think.
That's where I think that'swhere it rubs the wrong way with
people.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, let's be honest .
You know you look at themilitary here in the States.
Excuse me If you're ever on amilitary base.
The only ones who are qualifiedto carry weapons on a military
base of military personnel areusually military police officers
(11:04):
while they're on duty on thatbase is that correct?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I have to ask, I have to.
I have to defer to dr domain,since he spent a significant
amount of time in the military.
Is that true, dr domain?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
generally.
I mean, if there's, if there'sa requirement that someone has
to have a weapon to do their job, to carry out their mission.
But every soldier is trained touse a firearm and that's your
mission, that's your train tokill.
(11:39):
That's it.
That's the truth of it.
The fact we're using this termassault weapon.
That's so arbitrary.
That's just some term thatanti-gun activists had created.
There's no real cleardefinition of what an assault
weapon is.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Right, because some people are very confused with
what an AR means.
They think it means assaultrifle.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
It does not.
No, it's the company that makesit actually.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So I guess.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Anyway, getting back, getting back to my point, you
know you're not seeing everymilitary member on base carrying
a fully loaded weapon all thetime, because here in the States
most of the jobs they don'trequire that fully loaded weapon
all the time.
Now, when you go overseas, yes,you are armed.
You know everyone, from IT tologistics to you know the
(12:34):
Rangers.
They are.
They're weaponized because whenyou're in a combat zone, you
have to be.
You have to be at all times.
So you know a lot of people.
You know they want to go backto this.
The second amendment, right Of.
They're saying well, well,well-regulated militia is the
only one who needs them.
The military is the only onewho needs them.
That's not what they're saying.
(12:56):
That is not what they're sayingat all.
What they're saying is we havethe right to own those weapons
so that anytime, we have theright to protect our family, to
protect our lives, to protectour property, things like that.
And too many people want toargue about the fact that, well,
(13:16):
you know, we don't need thesekinds of weapons in, you know,
in regular people's hands.
I tend to disagree.
You know the Supreme Court backin 2023, they tried.
I don't know if they actuallypassed it, but they tried to
make a ruling that the automaticweapons, the assault weapons
(13:37):
quote unquote were actually notcovered by the Second Amendment
for citizens of the UnitedStates.
And I have to argue that.
I have to argue that becauseyou're not going to come in and
tell me what I need to protectmy home.
You're not going to come in andtell me what I need.
You know if, if I'm outsomewhere and I need protection,
(14:00):
because I'm telling you rightnow a 22 handgun isn't going to
take down a bear, you know ifI'm getting attacked.
So you know I kind of takeoffense to that just because of
the fact that, yeah, you're notgoing to come in and tell me
what I can or can't own, if I'mlegally allowed to have that
weapon, if I, if I'm notdiscredited from having that
(14:22):
weapon because of a felony orwhatever.
That.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I think mental illness was one of the other
arguments.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, and most recently they have done the
argument of medical marijuanacards.
If you have a medical marijuanacard, you are not allowed to
own firearms anymore.
You are not allowed to ownfirearms anymore.
I don't agree with that.
I don't agree with that at all,because you're not going to
(14:51):
tell me that somebody who has,you know, three DWIs, who got a
slap on the wrist, can own aweapon.
When I have a medical need forcannabis and you're telling me I
can't own a weapon, I don'tagree with that.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, I understand that too, Because, I'll be
honest with you, I had a medicalmarijuana card and I was not
aware that I could not own, or Iguess I.
Yeah, I couldn't own a gun orcarry a gun, whatever the law
says, if I had that card, and soI let that expire, because my
(15:26):
second amendment is moreimportant to me than the medical
marijuana, so I let that expireand I'm not interested in that
anymore.
But yeah, so now here's theargument, though how do we
control all the shootings?
(15:46):
I mean, what are you going todo about all of the shootings
that are out there?
And you know it's, it's ofconcern?
I mean, it isn't just goinginto the schools, it isn't just
the school board or the state,you know, protecting our kids.
Somebody could open fire in aBurger King for crying out loud,
or somebody could open fire,you know, in a Walmart and
probably have.
(16:06):
I mean, I didn't look at everysingle case, but they probably
have.
And what do you do?
You know, how do you controlthat?
Because there's a lot of peoplewho are advocates for saying,
hey, let's pull every weapon.
You know, off the streets.
The problem with that is wehave a lot of terrible people
out there, and it's the terriblepeople that are committing the
(16:27):
crimes, and they're going to getweapons one way or another, as
I say they're not.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
They're not going to the the um gun store and getting
it legally.
No, that's for sure.
No, like you can sit here andoutlaw weapons for everybody who
obtains them legally, becausethat's the only way you're going
to be able to track them.
Let's be honest, the only wayyou're going to be able to track
these weapons is forresponsible gun ownership to
(16:54):
come up and say I'm buying thisweapon, this is my name, this is
my.
You know criminal history.
This weapon has a serial numberthat is now attached to my name
.
Um, but when it comes down toit, you're looking at weapons
that have no serial numbersbecause they've been scratched
off, because they've been stolen, they've been resold, they have
(17:17):
, you know it.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's been obtained illegally, possibly out of the
country, whether they're in thecountry or out of the country.
But don't we kind of go throughthat scrutiny anyway?
Because I mean, I have a, Ihave a permit to carry and I
have to get that through thesheriff's department and they're
checking my background, they'rechecking everything on me
before they give me that permit.
(17:39):
So it isn't like I, you know,like I'm, I don't go through the
scrutiny because I do.
Now, does everybody go andobtain a permit to carry?
The answer is no, and in someStates you're not even required
to have a permit anymore tocarry.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Right, Right, I was one of them.
I was one of them.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You don't have to have a permit to open carry
Right, and so you know there issome scrutiny.
Let's not act like there isn't.
There is some scrutiny, youknow, and anybody who opens fire
on a group of people, or even asingle person for that matter,
(18:19):
has to have something wrong withthem.
Right, and people go.
Well, you know.
How do you get the guns out ofthe hands of people who are
mentally ill.
How do you assess that?
Because it's hard to assesswhether somebody is mentally ill
.
Let's look at what's happenedover the last three years in the
(18:39):
political agenda, you know Iwould say there was a lot of
people who were crazy on bothsides, Right and acting crazy
and acting like they werementally ill and still are.
But I'm not going to assessthem because that's that's not
what an assessment of mentalillness is.
(19:01):
And you know we could.
We could probably do anotherpodcast on health care, because
I'm a firm believer.
We don't have a health caresystem in the United States.
We have a health response systemin the United States.
That's it.
You know, if you're really sick, we'll give you a pill.
That's about it, and so wedon't really have a good mental
(19:27):
health system in the US in myopinion, this is my opinion,
this whole thing is nothing butour opinions.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Right, but we both have personal experience in that
.
You know, we me with mychildren personally happened to
drive six hours to get one of mychildren mental health care
because in the state of Iowathere's not enough, there's not
enough and there's not enoughoptions, there's not enough
(19:59):
coverage, there's not enoughcare providers, things that you
know.
But when it comes to people whowant to hurt other people,
let's be honest, it's not justguns, right?
Okay, it's not just guns.
Everybody wants to come back tothe gun debate.
Okay, how are we going to keepguns out of there?
How are we going to keep knivesout of their hands?
(20:20):
Right?
How are we going to keep acidattacks from happening?
Right?
How are we going to keep thesepeople from getting behind the
wheel of a car and running intoa crowd of people?
How?
You know it right, there aremultiple ways that people hurt
other people.
So when it all comes back tothe gun debate, you know it kind
of rubs me raw because it'slike why are you nitpick,
(20:42):
nitpicking one out of all theseways that people are hurting
other people and not getting tothe core of why they're hurting?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
other people.
If we really look at the rootcause and keep tracking it back,
it does boil back to Um, andagain, this is my opinion, I I
am not a doctor, I'm not apsychologist Uh, but it really
does get back to um, you know,some of their mental wellness.
(21:12):
It gets back to theirexperiences.
It gets back to there's so muchanger right now.
I mean, look at how much roadrage we have right now and
people are getting killed withvehicles for crying out loud.
Road rage is crazy.
And I've been seeing a lot morereels on social media where
people are brake checking peoplejust to get insurance claims.
(21:36):
They're killing people on thesehighways and just to get a
claim and just to get a claim.
And so you know, if you go backto what the root cause of it is
, you know we're not doing agood job with ensuring that we
have some support for ourchildren that are growing up,
our young adults and then theadults that actually need the
(21:58):
help.
It's hard to get help.
It's hard to get mental help.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's very hard and I'm going to call it out right
now.
I see too many times that thereare too many signs, you know,
in these young adults and thesechildren leading up to you know
what's going to happen or whatthey're planning, and too many
times they're ignored.
(22:23):
These parents aren't parenting,these schools aren't
intervening, you know, and it'sjust kind of swept to the
wayside by.
Oh well, you know we can't dealwith that right now, or I don't
want to deal with that, or kidswill be kids, or you know
things like that and we need tostep up.
We need to step up.
You know there's been a lot ofinstances where report after
(22:48):
report and I'll say it, it's out.
You know, the report is outright now the our school shooter
.
There were years upon years uponyears of reports of this kid
and his disturbances, his mentalhealth issues, his, you know,
dark thoughts, his obsessionwith school shootings, things
(23:10):
like that, and nothing was done,not a damn thing was done to to
correct this kid, to see whatthey could do for this kid.
It just kept getting, you know,pushed to the side, pushed to
the side and pushed to the side,and this happened.
And so we really need to stepup and we really need to look at
our kids and say you know, ifthere's problems on social media
(23:34):
, guess what, social media isgone.
Right.
If there's problems at school,guess what?
I'm going to sit my ass in thatchair next to you for every
class until you start actingright.
Because until parents actuallyput their foot in these kids
butts and start saying, look,I'm here for you, but I'm not
going to let this slide.
Yeah, these kids are going tocontinue to get away with
(23:56):
whatever they're going to getaway with, right.
And you know, and it's seen,it's not just in the family
thing, it's not just these kidsacting out within the families.
This is a wider problem.
They're bringing it to theschools, they're bringing it to
the malls, they're bringing itto birthday parties, where these
kids are getting shot upbecause of their crap talking or
(24:17):
whatever it's like.
That needs to stop happening.
That needs to stop happening.
People need to start steppingin.
They need to start growing up.
You know, okay, granted, theparents might've had a crappy
childhood.
Okay, deal with it.
You're an adult Now you havechildren.
Stop pushing that generationaltrauma onto them and start
fixing it because, that's yourjob, right.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And you know, I just want to reiterate that, you know
, this whole topic that came upagain was because we were kind
of, I will say, badgered.
We've been badgered about thisa little bit since the shooting
and people are, you know, reallytrying to say and it's been,
it's been kind of negative.
You know well, what do youthink now?
(25:01):
And, uh, what you know, we, wejust feel very fortunate that
our, that uh, corey is alive andJoey's alive and and no other
children were, were hurt.
Um, but we, we want action toprotect them in the future is
what we want, and it isn'ttaking a gun away.
Let's focus on the people andlet's be honest.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I mean we're gonna carry, we continue to carry, I
will carry, you will carry, um,you know, and when it comes down
to it I feel bad.
You know, I have a lot ofregrets that day because I went
running for that school, I wentto go running into that school
and that morning I was in mypajamas, I wasn wasn't carrying.
And that is one of my biggestregrets because I'm, like you
(25:46):
know, going through my mind.
I'm like I wasn't carrying thatday.
What if I would have gotteninto that school and come face
to face with that shooter, right, right you know, and it's like
it.
It.
It solidifies the fact that, asa responsible gun owner, as
someone who knows her mentalhealth and things like that, I
will continue to carry.
(26:07):
I will carry when I need to.
I will carry when I don't thinkI need to.
I will carry.
If it makes you uncomfortable,I don't give a shit because when
it comes down to it, thedifference between stopping a
bad guy with a gun is it's agood guy with a gun, whether it
be police, whether it be alaw-abiding citizen that you
(26:29):
know is carrying and knows whatthey're doing.
But I'm asking people if you'regoing to carry, know what
you're doing right because Idon't want some you know john
wayne to come in and go.
Well, I'll get this partner andstart shooting into people.
You know a crowd of peopletrying to get the bad guy when
they don't know what the hellthey're doing.
Right, and then carry.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Be responsible, know what you're doing, take the
classes, take the time you know,go to the gun range, be
comfortable with it and ifyou're not, don't carry, yeah,
and, and we're running out oftime now and we're we're going
to end this podcast here in justa few minutes, but, uh, I just
want to reiterate we are notexperts in this field.
(27:10):
We were asked our opinion.
We're giving you our opinionand telling you how we feel.
Um, I've always said, justbecause you carry doesn't mean
you ever shoot.
I have never pulled my gun.
Uh, I would only pull my gun ina life and death situation.
I would never fling it aroundjust to scare somebody.
(27:31):
You know that's irresponsibleand that just shows the lack of
you know training as it relatesto weapons.
But, that's a whole differentshow, that's a whole different
discussion.
But we just we really wanted totalk about this because it was
brought to our attention.
Now you know how we feel.
(27:52):
You know we would neveradvocate.
You know, even though we docarry, we would never advocate
pulling that gun, because weknow that if we're going to pull
it, we're going to use it.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And so, therefore, we don't advocate violence.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Absolutely not.
Look how much we tried to avoidit.
After this whole thing happened, and we tried to avoid the hate
, all we said was we feelgrateful, we feel, you know, we
love our kids and grandkids andwe love the kids in the
community and we want themprotected.
That's all we want.
And so, anyway, bobby, I thinkwe've probably bled that one dry
(28:33):
.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I think we have, and that's all the insanity that we
do have for today.
So we appreciate you joining us, not here at the Rabbit Hole
Studios.
We'll call it the Rabbit RunStudios.
There we go, be sure youjoining us, not here at the
Rabbit Hole Studios.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
We'll call it the Rabbit Run.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Studios.
There we go.
Be sure to follow us.
We look forward to spendingtime with you each and every
week.
Please like us, and if you havepositive feedback for us or if
there's a topic that you want usto talk about, drop us an email
at boomerangenexor at gmailcom.
If you have hate mail, well youknow where you can put that.
(29:07):
So until next week, I'm bobbyjoy and I'm jane burke and
you're stuck with us hey, thatwas a little off.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Let's try that again bobby and you're stuck with us.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Oh, we can't even get it right, bye-bye for now.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Later.
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