August 19, 2025 • 30 mins
What exactly makes someone a "Karen" or "Kevin," and are they always in the wrong? Jane and Bobbi tackle this controversial topic with their signature mother-daughter banter and surprising perspectives that might challenge your assumptions.
The duo examines the stereotypical entitled behavior associated with these internet slang terms - from demanding to speak with managers to making outrageous threats over minor inconveniences. But they don't stop at simple condemnation. Instead, they thoughtfully explore situations where people labeled as "Karens" might actually be justified in their complaints.
Through personal anecdotes including confrontations with nosy neighbors and judgmental strangers in grocery store checkout lines, they reveal the uncomfortable reality that entitlement exists across all demographics.
The most compelling insight comes when they connect today's public confrontations with our broader culture of consequence-free online aggression. As they note, many "keyboard warriors" haven't learned that real-world interactions have different rules than social media disputes. This episode balances thoughtful analysis with laugh-out-loud moments, including Bobbi's observation that she's "never seen a baby called Karen" because "they come out full grown."
Whether you've been called a Karen yourself or witnessed entitled behavior in public, this episode offers fresh perspectives on a phenomenon that impacts all of us. Follow, like, and share Boomer and Gen X Are Walking to a Bar wherever you get your podcasts!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Oh, my goodness, welcome everyone to today's show
.
A boomer and Gen X are walkingto a bar, coming to you from the
rabbit hole studio, where you,as our listeners, will
experience some wit and wisdom,some smart assery and a mother
and a daughter questioning.
Are we even related?
My name is Jane Burt, myco-host is my daughter, bobby,
(00:30):
and for the next several minuteswe're going to entertain you
how you doing today, bobby.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
After that introduction I'm going to say
we're not related, we justpretend to be.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I like to be upbeat and you'd like to be all growly
down there at the other end ofthe studio.
I see that you have yourtherapy chicken today.
What's his name?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So today his name is Timothy.
Okay, timothy, two Toes, eventhough he has three.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Okay, because you change his name periodically and
I never know who I'm talking to.
So that's Timothy this week, Iguess.
I don't know.
You tell me, is it this week orjust today?
We'll say today.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
We'll say today.
I mean, I might get a hair upmy ass and change it again.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oh, my goodness, you and your swearing in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
We're going to see you and your slurred.
I was going to say what did I?
Swearing in your mouth.
You're gonna say you and yourslurred, I was gonna say what I
do now.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So you have a sign on the wall down there because I
had to post something for you.
What's it say down there, bobby?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm silently correcting your grammar.
I am.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I am because sometimes your grammar goes off
beat and also I derail, so youcorrect me on my tracks and I
correct you on your grammar.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, it's like trying to herd a squirrel away
from the dog.
It's just over here.
No, no, no Over here.
Sometimes you got to get abroom.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, which one are we talking about, you or me?
Oh see, that's hurtful.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That right there is hurtful.
Well, you shouldn't be agrammar Nazi.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Okay, nazi okay.
The other thing I noticed is um, you've slowly increased the
number of liquor bottles downthere at the other end of the
studio and I'm I'm starting toget a little bit concerned
they're not empty uh yeah, Imean they're not empty.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Wait a minute, one is empty, okay the others are full
.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, so are we going to have to build you like a
liquor cabinet down there?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I think so, just like a little shelf for all my
airplane bottles, I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm a little bit concerned about you.
Well, I'm not 12.
Well, there's that, there'sthat.
So today our topic is kind ofan interesting one and, uh, I
think I brought this one up,maybe you did, you did, I did,
you did definitely, and Idefinitely want to talk about
this because I think it'scontroversial.
(02:54):
Um, so we have people out therewho are considered or called or
referred to as karens andkevins.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh, kind of like you calling me out on my liquor
bottles down here when it couldbe none of your business.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I think it's a little different than that.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It costs zero dollars to just look away Zero dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I think it's just slightly different than that.
So the reason I wanted to talkabout this is because I think
sometimes people get calledKarens or Kevins and they get a
bad rap, and I think they'rejustified sometimes.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Okay, well, let me ask this before we get into this
how many babies have you everseen that are named Karen?
I don't think they're everbabies.
I think they come out fullgrown, because I've never seen a
baby called karen have you seena baby called lyle?
Or that's a chicken.
I know you leave him out of thisbut no, it's just kind of one
(03:55):
of those names this week anywayit's kind of one of those names
where you're like I've neverheard or seen a baby called
karen like in my life and theyjust all of a sudden they're
just full-grown adults with theslang that's out there now about
Karen.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I mean, who's going to name their child Karen?
I know some Karens and they'renot really Karens in that way,
they're really nice people.
But so the term Karen or theterm Kevin are kind of internet
slang terms used to describecertain types of behavior, but
they've also kind of become asource of controversy because
(04:31):
karen, according to the internetum, the internet, the internet
typically refers to a woman,often white, which blows my mind
, because I have seen somereally bad Karens that are not
white.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And does it?
Does it reference the haircut?
Tell me it references the Karenhaircut.
What's the Karen haircut?
So it's like with the longbangs that you can put behind
your ear, but the back is likeshort.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Oh my goodness, I was going to get my haircut like
that.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I had my haircut like that before it became a Karen
haircut.
Oh my gosh when I lived inTexas.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I had that haircut, yeah, now that you say that, oh
my goodness.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, it's.
It's literally the Karenhaircut is what they call it.
It's hilarious, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So they're perceived as being pretty much entitled,
very demanding, especially inpublic or in customer service
situations.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Kevin's, of course, is a more recent term and that's
used to describe a man whoexhibits a similar, you know,
type of foolish behavior.
I will call it, but I'm onlygoing to refer to it as foolish
behavior this one time, becausethere are times when I've seen a
lot of reels, a lot ofvideotapes, a lot of youtubes
(05:53):
videotapes that aged me, didn'tit?
Wow, I'll give you a minute tolet your mind get blown my
mind's running like a vCRrewinder.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Come on now, jeez Videotapes.
Hey, listen, the kids out thereare going.
What the hell are those?
Are those like eight tracktapes?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
What are those?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Did they put them in the Impalas they drove Anyway.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
So it describes people who allegedly have some
foolish behavior.
But, like I was saying, a lotof the Reels and a lot of the
YouTubes and TikToks that I'veseen, I've got to be honest with
you, I'm on the Karens and theKevins side.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Womp, womp.
How surprising is that you canbe a Karen.
Sometimes, though Me.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I said surprised you can be a Karen sometimes, though
Me, yes, you can.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I said some times this coming from a pot down
there that's calling this kettleblack.
No.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I'm not a Karen, I'm just a loudmouth asshole.
That's a totally differentqualification.
Like you have to actually goand earn that qualification.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So kind of the definition.
I kind of already gave you that.
So kind of the definition, Ikind of already gave you that.
But typically in thesesituations the women and I'm
going to focus on Karen's herefor just a minute are
middle-aged or older right.
Mostly boomers, and yeah, yeahand like I said, they seem to
(07:21):
perceive that they are entitled.
They seem to perceive that theyare entitled, um so.
So, um, dr domain just said youshowed me a note and I'm not
going to talk about that.
Oh, but you're gonna you justdid.
No, I didn't.
No, I didn't, we're not.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
He just showed it to you it is yeah, but I mean, like
karen's are along the line offelicia's too, like by felicia,
so I don't know if you know thatterm but it was like made
popular in the movie friday, andthe gal's name was felicia, and
they're like by felicia becauseshe just over there causing
problems.
Okay, so that that's been a bigone too okay, so.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
So when do you become a Karen or Kevin?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
When you're about 50.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Well, you're just not automatically a Karen or Kevin.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
No, not automatically .
It takes work.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And dedication.
It takes a commitment to beinga Karen.
Not everyone can do it.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Not everyone can achieve the level that we are
looking for.
Not everyone can do it.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Not everyone can achieve the level that we are
looking for, so to be.
When you're criticized as beingkind of misogynistic or I don't
know, your behaviors are reallykind of way out there.
Some of the behaviors that arementioned that I looked up have
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to do with, first of all,getting into somebody else's
business and secondly, ittypically results in I'm gonna
call the police.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I've already called the police and they're on their
way here.
Well, I'm sure it's the 47thtime this week that you've
called and they don't give ashit anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So you called me.
You said sometimes you can be aKaren.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
That was hurtful.
That hurt my feelings.
Both of them Got to rub themtogether and get them warm again
.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Sometimes demanding to speak to a manager can be
perceived as being a Karen or aKevin, and I don't agree with
that, because I'm not going toaccept poor customer service or
some sass mouth on the otherside of a counter.
And that's true.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And I know a lot of people call people out for being
Karens because of that, but alot of times it's because they
have been given the opportunityto quell the situation.
They've been given a refund oran offer for, you know, whatever
they want, and they still wantto talk to the manager because
that's not good enough.
They want 10 free meals andfree ice cream for life, or, you
(10:00):
know, they're just not willingto accept the fact that someone
so quote, unquote, low level asa cashier could make things
right with them.
They, they're just not willingto accept the fact that someone
so quote, unquote, low level asa cashier could make things
right with them.
They think they're above that,you know.
And they'll even say, in a lotof the reels I've seen, they'll
say you know I'm not talking toyou.
You know I want to talk to yourmanager.
I'm not going to talk to youbecause you're just a cashier
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type of thing.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, yeah, and so they're already demeaning that
worker very much so, and youknow they're.
I've heard some of them sayyou're gonna regret this.
The only thing they'reregretting is that they took a
job for 15 an hour and theydon't have a spork in their hand
that they could jump over thatcounter and stab you in your
neck with it because you'rebeing such an ass hat.
(10:45):
Well, and a lot of theseservers and a lot of times these
cashiers, these cashiers andstuff.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
They're kids.
Yeah, they're teenagers.
They're under the age of 18.
This is their first job.
Maybe they're in high school,they're working with their
friends, you know.
Maybe they're having a littlefun on the job, but nothing to
the point that would elicit areaction that some of these
people are having towards them.
And, first of all, I mean let'sbe their children.
(11:11):
Okay, if someone were to comein, cuss out my 16 year old
child, throw things at them likedrinks or food and, you know,
talk to them like that, I wouldhave a problem with that.
I would probably be up therebefore anybody else, because you
don't do that to a child.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Do you think that if and I've seen that too where
somebody gets so mad that theylike clear the counter, they
take their arm and wipe thewhole counter down or jump the
counter, or jump the counter?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Or they start throwing things at the workers,
or they start throwing things atthe workers.
Do you think that's consideredassault and that they would
consider that as being?
Hey, you get the right todefend yourself.
So I do, I absolutely do, Iwonder what legally, though, if
it's really allowed to say Well,and the problem is is legally
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and employment wise is different.
So legally you could bejustified in defending yourself
from someone coming over thecounter and charging you, just
so everybody knows we're notlawyers.
We don't really know we're notlawyers, but self-defense, hey,
self-defense, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But, job wise, if you defend yourself and this is on
a lot of company policies andI've worked at a lot of places,
so I know this especiallylow-level jobs you are not
allowed to defend yourself oryou will lose your job.
Yeah, so if you're gettingliterally beat up behind the can
, the counter and you defendyourself, you know you're going
(12:41):
to lose your job why would youever want to work for a company
like that?
well, let's talk about uhpoverty.
Oasis is, if you want, onanother uh podcast episode,
poverty away.
So what it is?
It's?
It's kind of an oxymoron, butit's an area that has high
poverty but also has a bunch ofthe low-level jobs, like
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mcdonald's burger king, you know, entry level jobs that don't
pay a lot, but they're the onlyjobs within a 30-minute drive
and if you're in poverty youdon't always have that
transportation.
You're going to take that jobat mcdonald's in order to
support your family the best youcan yeah, but we can talk about
that later but.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
But I'm just saying, though, that even if I work at
mcdonald's and I, I guess Idon't consider those low level
jobs anymore, because they'repaying mcdonald's workers pretty
well well, but it seems likeit's pretty well.
But when you really look at ityou them.
I make more than that and Istill struggle, so I get it, but
people do view those yes, youknow and and they are a lot of
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those jobs are considered entrylevel and they were never
intended to be careers.
They were intended to bestepping stones for people to
get where they needed to be.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, but I mean a lot of different circumstances
bring people back to those jobs.
You know there's just a slew ofcircumstances.
Back to those jobs.
You know there's just a slew ofcircumstances.
I have bounced back and forthbetween entry-level jobs and
low-paying jobs just becausethere wasn't the higher paying
jobs out there so I had to waitand, in order to pay my bills
(14:17):
while I waited, I went and tooka bartending job or a gas
station job okay, so back to thefact that I really don't
believe that some people shouldbe called Karens.
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I think that the situation sometimes justifies
their actions.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I'm not saying that they need to get violent with
anyone and really raising yourvoice and yelling at somebody,
or throwing food or whatever itis, or clearing the counter.
You know what?
If you don't like it there,don't come back.
Right, I mean you've got, youknow you've got choices, you
don't have to come back there.
But there are times when I'veseen people confront other
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people and just because theyresponded, somebody called them
a Karen or a Kevin and I thoughtwait a minute you deserved what
they had to say absolutely, andI mean it's it's kind of a
double-edged sword, because howare you not adult enough to walk
away?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
yeah, words are words .
You know you can walk away.
There are steps that you cantake in order to not have to
deal with this directly.
That's number one.
Okay, just walk away.
Be an adult, don Okay.
Number two is the fact that Ithink that with nowadays, with
social media, things like that,a lot of people have not been
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punched in the face and theywalk around thinking that
nobody's going to punch him inthe face.
They might say a few harshwords or whatever, but you back
and forth, a lot of people justthink that because they're you
know, barney badass on theinternet, they can say what they
want, that somebody's not goingto shut them up in real life,
right?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
and that's a big problem.
Right, it is a big problem andthat's a whole different podcast
right there, how people arehiding behind, you know, a
microphone, like keyboardwarriors, keyboard warriors, or
they are hiding behind a Tik TOKor you know something and not
thinking that anybody's going tocome after them, and they go
after a lot of people andthey're very hurtful and they're
very damaging to other people.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But at the same time that's the other edge walk away,
be the bigger person.
You know you don't always haveto have the last word.
You know somebody calls you aname or says you know, go F
yourself, whatever, I don't careif you're in a business or not.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
You have the option of walking away walking out of
that store and doing what youneed to do once you leave and
calm down.
Okay, so I'm going to ask youhave you ever been confronted by
what you would consider a Karenor Kevin?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well.
I have four Besides saying,yeah, my mom, I mean I have four
children very close in age.
Well, the three older ones areand yeah, I've dealt with plenty
of Karens being a single mom,having all those kids at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
And so were they getting in your business, were
you in their business.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Oh, no, very much in my business.
They were in your business, youin their business.
Oh, no, very much in mybusiness.
They were in very much in mybusiness.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yes, okay, and so the only I mean I really haven't
had a whole lot, you know, otherthan somebody will make some
snide remark, uh, or something,but I've never had somebody come
over and really get in my faceover anything that I can
remember.
What about you, dr Domain?
Have you ever had theopportunity to deal with?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
oh wait, I take that back at the property in in
Georgia that I bought oh yeah,my goodness.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
So I'm going to come back to you, dr Domain.
So I bought this property inthe Georgia mountains and, um,
the property hadn't been cleared, it had three old houses on it
and a big barn and I elected togo in and have all of those
buildings torn down and have theproperty cleaned up.
I mean it really needed to becleaned up and to have some
(18:02):
forestry um thinning done, right, so that it you know you want
to control forest fires, you doforestry thinning.
And anyway, the neighbor nextdoor called and just raised a
ruckus.
And when she called me I hadalready had a crew on site and
(18:24):
she called me and she said Iwant you to cease and desist
right now.
You have no business doing whatyou're doing and I need to see
a survey and you need to have asurvey performed before you ever
do any of this work.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And she was yelling I mean she was really yelling at
me like she just assumed youdidn't have a survey and didn't
take the proper steps and so,and I had a crew there at that
time and I mean she kept yellingand finally I go who is this?
New phone.
Who dis?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
and she goes this is so and so.
And I go who are you with right?
And she goes I'm the next doorneighbor and you need to cease
and desist.
And we want to know what zoninglaws you're going to change so
that you can build the buildingson that property.
And I go who you been talkingto?
You know, I mean I didn't havea clue.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
She's been using Google AI for it.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
She was ordering my crew around and everything.
And I said I have a surveyor onsite right now.
You should be able to see him.
He's marking everything rightnow.
And she just kind of keptyelling at me and and, uh, she
said I want you to cease anddesist and you need to provide
us plans, and you need toprovide me with, um, me and the
(19:42):
other neighbors with this, acopy of the survey.
And and I go not going to dothat, and I was really calm.
I mean, I had my Jesus shirt onthat day.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I can't.
And if that would have happenedas soon as she said well, I'm
the neighbor, I'd have been likeoh okay, Click, yeah, Like that
would have ended theconversation.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So I listened to her and finally, you know, and I
kept saying, well, I'm not goingto do that.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I'm not, I'm not going to share that.
She used Google lawyer.
So I end up going over to theproperty and I called her and I
said hey, this is Jane.
I just talked to you a fewminutes ago.
Could we talk?
I'll meet you in the street.
She wouldn't even let me on herproperty and she came out
yelling and everything and I gowho have you been talking to?
(20:30):
That you think I'm gonna put upyou know, eight complexes on
this property.
Right by the time I got donewith her, she was apologizing
and she was very, you know,happy that I was clearing the
property and or at least I thinkshe was and I haven't heard
from her since.
But that was the only time andI was shocked.
I mean, I was just shocked.
I thought who are you and what?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
do you think?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
you're doing, telling me what I can do it with my
property.
Anyway, I want to go back toyou, dr Domain.
Um, have you ever beenapproached or had a situation
where you've had to deal with aKaren or a Kevin that you can
think of?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well, most recently around the sale of the last
property, but she didn'tconfront me like in person.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
That all took place through messages and stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Oh, keyboard warrior yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah.
Yeah, it was pretty trivial andI didn't want to waste my
energy talking about her, butshe just made accusations and
without having a conversationwith you that's the hardest part
yeah these people don't havethe backbone to want to talk to
you about it, so they just rapidfire a bunch of insults,
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thinking that's going to resolveit, and all it did really just
turn.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
You know, I just shut her off yeah and I probably
pissed her off more have youever had anybody either one of
you had somebody come out andsay you can't park there, or oh
yeah, you know you can't do this, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, yeah yeah, with parking, with, especially with,
um, of course, having childrenbeing in a lower tax bracket,
with food stamps.
I've had many, uhconfrontations in the checkout
line of the grocery store.
Really very much so really yes,because people think that, um,
there aren't processes in placeabout you know who qualifies,
(22:25):
what I can do and things likethat, and want to come up and
say, well, that's an awful lotof hamburger you're buying on
your food stamps, or why are youbuying chips on food stamps?
Or why are you buying thiscereal on food stamps?
It's like, mind your businessyeah because this is about to
turn really ugly really quicklyyeah, so the uh.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know the use of the term karen um as a
derogatory term what's it dateback to 2002 you know, I don't
have that, do you have?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
that I don't.
I'm guessing.
We should have looked that upwe should?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I didn't even look at the computer at the end of the
table should have looked that upbut it has been widely
criticized as a form of, youknow, misogyny, as it unfairly
targets women and really cansometimes discourage them from
speaking out or expressingthemselves.
I don't really care thatsomebody expresses themselves,
(23:24):
but you don't need to get in myface, you don't need to spit at
me to do it, and you know, whilethose terms might initially
seem like they're humorous in away, when you describe certain
behaviors, their use has sparkedsome controversy due to the
concerns about, you know,stereotyping and well, and I
know there for a while they werecalling it a slur.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, calling people a slang yeah, no, no, it was
called a slur against people andI know there for a while they
were calling it a slur, yeah,calling people, yeah, no, no, it
was called a slur againstpeople and I'm like do you know
what the definition of that islike?
Do we need to break out adictionary at this point?
Because it's it's not.
But okay, yeah, let's run withit.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I think you have to have a term.
I I mean it's just too long ofa phrase to say Just a really
inconsiderate asshole.
You've got to kind of shortenit up, well, I mean there's a
lot of other terms.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
There's twat waffle.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
There's ass hat, I use ass hat.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, dick bag is a good one.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Douche head yeah, there's all kinds of good ones.
Douche canoe, that's myfavorite, that's right.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Absolutely douche canoe.
That's my favorite.
Absolutely telling somebodythat they look.
They look like they eat abanana for the shape and not the
taste.
That's a good one.
It's a little long but it'sworth it.
Oh my god, we're telling peoplethat you think they eat snickers
upside down because of theveins?
Uh, there's a lot of things youcan say to people that are not
caring.
Or if you look at someone andsay I would be mad every day if
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I looked like you as well, thatkind of hits them, takes them a
minute to process and by thattime you're already gone okay,
so we've talked about whetherwe've actually had any
encounters with a karen or akevin.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Would you get involved with somebody who's
kind of going off like let's saythat you are in a mcdonald's
and I haven't been in mcdonald'sfor years.
I don't even know what theyserve anymore, but yeah okay,
mcdonald's, I'm there, let's saythat you're at a mcdonald's,
okay, and somebody is just goingoff on this server, and let's
say that the server is reallynice I mean it's they're trying
(25:23):
to hold their own professionallyand somebody starts showing
food, adam starts cussing atthem.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Oh, I'm stepping in, there is not a doubt.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm going to match their energy, oh my goodness.
Oh, it's going to be RoyalRumble in there, but the thing
is is I'm going to take theirfocus off of that person who is
literally struggling for theirlife behind the counter, and I'm
going to put it on me becauseit's not going to be the first
fight that I've had inmcdonald's and it probably won't
be the last but if I see,somebody throwing fries and
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stuff about you know, at acounter person.
If I've seen the whole thing andit is completely unjustified
how they're acting, I'm going toturn their focus on me because
I mean, like I said before, we,you go low, I go lower I mean
it's a rebel rouser.
I'm not a rebel rouser, but I'man asshole, and if I can use it
for good, I'm gonna put a capeon and do it, if I can use it
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for good instead of evil.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That'll be an opportunity for me.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I mean, you know I gotta get the good ticks along.
You know it cancels out all thebad ones, all the bad stuff
that you've done.
I'm gonna do this one nicething for this person I know one
thing that really does diffusethem is if you someone starts
recording them.
I know that is a big diffuserfor people who get just
completely over the top theirown things screaming at people.
You start recording them all ofa sudden.
(26:41):
Why are you recording me?
Oh, oh, you calm down reallyquickly.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, yeah yeah, well , I, I don't know that I would
automatically get involved, butwe talked about this a little
bit before on thievery, you know, when we talked about if you
saw somebody stealing somethingwould you get involved, and I
tend to try to reason withpeople, yeah, and so you know,
and and trust me folks, this wasnot my life a long time ago no,
(27:09):
I've talked about this beforemy temper.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
You know, I went from zero to a thousand in 3.2
seconds, but I idle at 900 well,and you wonder why I go from
zero to prison time in sixseconds or less, like come on
now.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Look who raised me, look who was around, my role
model but, with that said,that's changed over many, many
years and your bones are brittlenow and my bones are brittle
and I really don't want to hurt,get hurt.
Somebody hits me, I go ow, youknow in the past would be
somebody hit me hard and I'd begoing okay, mother, you know
you're going down, but, um, youknow if, if I did get involved,
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I usually try to reason withpeople, I usually don't try to
yell anymore and I said that too, you know, when we were talking
about it before.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Once people are up to that level where they are
throwing things and trying toattack a teenager behind a
counter over a hamburger even ifit's not a teenager, right I?
mean they're kind of pastreasoning at that point and you
really have to kind of snap themaround and then maybe reason
with them once you know you canget their attention.
(28:17):
But my biggest thing is I'vebeen in those positions.
I've been in those situationsas a worker and it gets very
dangerous very quickly for thatworker and so in order to pull
that person back I mean therehave been people shot over a
burger king hamburger- oh yeah,like it's ridiculous, absolutely
.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And you know you have people who get that excited,
you know, when they go into afast food restaurant and they
want to feed a family of fivefor 22 and 36 cents and they
want to feed a family of fivefor $22.36 and they expect
everything to be at the toplevel.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Like you're in a five-star restaurant, you might
want to rethink when the workersare making how much it costs
for one hamburger an hour like,come on now yeah, so, um, anyway
, that's really all I wanted totalk about.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I there are times when I do defend, you know, I do
defend the fact that you have aright to not accept poor
customer service.
You have a right not to acceptsome smart ass, you know, waiter
or waitress.
I think you also got the rightto walk away.
You do, but on the other hand,you know when I'm paying for
that and I've had to pay for it.
(29:27):
The fact is is you know mymoney's good and I get it and
I'm paying for your service?
Yeah, and I've said this before, if I go to a restaurant, my
service is more important thanthe quality of the food.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And so you give me really crappy service and I'm
paying a big price for that.
Come on, I want you to be nice.
So you give me really crappyservice and I'm paying a big
price for that.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Come on, I want you to be nice, but, like I said
before, I mean there's steps totake that don't involve direct
confrontation as well.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
True that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Be smart about it, because not everybody you meet
is just packing fists and peopleneed to remember that.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Right, right, I agree with you and I don't know why
everybody has to be so angry allthe time.
Anyway, it's like you know,it's a burger.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Or it's an order of fries.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
It's a Coke.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
It's, you know nobody , just With the state of the
world anymore.
It doesn't even surprise me,it's a bag of M&M's?
Yeah, I just nothing evershocks me anymore, and that's
pretty sad.
Aww, well, that pretty sad, ohwell, that makes me sad to cry
about it.
Well, that's all I had fortoday on karen and kevin's.
Well, I think that that is allthe karen absurdity that we have
(30:33):
for today, but we do appreciateyou joining us here at the
rabbit hole studio.
We do look forward to spendingtime with you each and every
week.
So listen, if you can like us,follow us, share us with your
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Hey, even my ex is out there.
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Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, share us with your new girlfriends.
Okay, Like they ever come intoour conversations.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
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well you know where you canshove that, and it's definitely
not at boomerangenexor atgmailcom.
So until next week, I'm BobbiJoy and I'm Jane Burt.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And you're stuck with us.
Peace out.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Later.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Oh, my goodness, welcome everyone to today's show
of Boomer and Gen X.
Are walking to a bar, coming toyou from the rabbit hole studio
, where you, as our listeners,will experience some wit and
wisdom, some smart assery and amother and a daughter
questioning.
Are we even related?
My name is Jane Burt, myco-host is my daughter, bobby,
(31:48):
and for the next several minuteswe're going to entertain you
how you doing today, bobby afterthat introduction I'm gonna say
we're not related, we justpretend to be.
I like to be upbeat and you liketo be all growly down there at
the other end of the studio.
I see that you have yourtherapy chicken today.
(32:08):
What's his name?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So today his name is Timothy Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Timothy, two Toes Even though he has three.
Okay, because you change hisname periodically and I never
know who I'm talking to.
So that's Timothy this week, Iguess.
I don't know.
You tell me me, is it this weekor just today?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
um we'll say today we'll say today.
I mean I might get a hair up myass and change it again.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
So oh, my goodness, you and your, you're swearing in
your mouth, you're gonna sayyou and your slurred I was gonna
say.
What did I do now?
So you have a sign on the walldown there because I had to post
something for you.
What's it say down there?
Bobby, I'm silently correctingyour grammar.
I am.
I am Because sometimes yourgrammar goes off beat and also I
(32:58):
derail.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
So you correct me on my tracks and I correct you on
your grammar, you know, tryingto herd a squirrel away from the
dog.
It's just over here, no, no, no, over here.
Sometimes you've got to get abroom.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Okay, which one are we talking about, you or me?
Oh see, that's hurtful.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
That right there is hurtful.
Well, you shouldn't be agrammar Nazi.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Okay.
The other thing I noticed isyou've slowly increased the
number of liquor bottles downthere at the other end of the
studio and I'm I'm starting toget a little bit concerned
they're not empty yet.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I mean they're not empty.
Wait a minute.
One is empty, okay, the othersare full.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Okay, so are we gonna have to build you like a liquor
cabinet down?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
there, I think so, just like a little shelf for all
my airplane bottles, I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I'm a little bit concerned about you.
Well, I'm not 12.
So well, there's that, there'sthat.
So today our topic is kind ofan interesting one, and I think
I brought this one up.
You did, you did, I did, youdid definitely and I definitely
want to talk about this becauseI think it's controversial um so
(34:13):
we have people out there whoare considered or called or
referred to as karen's andkevin's.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh, kind of like you calling me out on my liquor
bottles down here when it couldbe none, yeah, none, your
business I think it's a littledifferent than that.
It costs zero dollars to justlook away zero dollars I think
it's just slightly differentthan that.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
so the reason I wanted to talk about this is
because I think sometimes peopleget called karens or Kevins and
they get a bad rap and I thinkthey're justified sometimes.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Okay, well, let me ask this before we get into this
how many babies have you everseen that are named Karen?
I don't think they're everbabies.
I think they come out fullgrown, because I've never seen a
baby called Karen.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Have you seen a baby called Lyle or?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That's a chicken.
I know you leave him out ofthis.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
But no, it's just kind of one of those names.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
It's Timothy this week anyway, it's kind of one of
those names where you're likeI've never heard or seen a baby
called Karen like in my life andthey just all of a sudden
they're just full grown adultsWith the slang that's out there
now about Karen.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I mean, who's going to name their child Karen?
I know some Karens and they'renot really Karens in that way,
they're really nice people.
So the term Karen or the termKevin are kind of Internet slang
terms used to describe certaintypes of behavior, but they've
also kind of become a source ofcontroversy because Karen
(35:50):
according to the internet, theinternets, the internet
typically refers to a woman,often white, which blows my mind
because I have seen some reallybad Karens that are not white.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
And does it reference the haircut?
Tell me it references the Karenhaircut.
What's a Karen haircut?
So it's like with the longbangs that you can put behind
your ear, but the back is likeshort.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Oh my goodness, I was going to get my hair cut like
that.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I had my hair cut like that before it became a
Karen haircut, oh my gosh, whenI lived in Texas, I had my
haircut like that before itbecame a karen haircut.
Oh my gosh, when I lived intexas, I had that haircut yeah,
now that you say that, oh mygoodness, yeah, it's, it's
literally the karen haircut iswhat they call it.
It's hilarious, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
So they're perceived as being pretty much entitled,
yes, very demanding, especiallyin public or in customer service
situations.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Kevin's, of course, is a more recent term and that's
used to describe a man whoexhibits a similar type of
foolish behavior.
I will call it, but I'm onlygoing to refer to it as foolish
behavior this one time, becausethere are times when I've seen a
lot of reels, a lot ofvideotapes, a lot of YouTube's
videotapes that aged me, didn'tit?
(37:10):
Wow, I'll give you a minute tolet your mind get blown.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, my mind's running like a VCR winder.
Come on now.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Jeez.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Videotapes hey listen .
The kids out there are going.
What the hell are those?
Are those like eight tracktapes is that did they put them
in the impalas?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
they drove anyway you know, it describes people who
allegedly have allegedly foolishbehavior yes and but, like I
was saying, a lot of the reelsand a lot of the youtubes and
tiktoks I've seen.
I got to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'm on the Karen's and the Kevin's side, womp, womp
.
How surprising is that?
How surprising.
You can be a Karen sometimes,though Me.
Yes, you can.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I said some times and this coming from a pot down
there that's calling this kettleblack.
No.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I'm not a Karen, I'm just a loudmouth asshole.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
That's this kettlebell.
I'm not a karen, I'm just aloud mouth asshole.
That's a totally differentqualification.
Like you have to actually goand earn that qualification.
So kind of the definition Ikind of kind of already gave you
that.
But typically in thesesituations the women and I'm
going to focus on karen's herefor just a minute are
middle-aged or older right,mostly boomers, and yeah, yeah
and like I said, they seem toperceive that they are entitled.
(38:34):
So Dr Domain just said youshowed me a note and I'm not
going to talk about that.
Oh, but you just did.
No, I didn't.
No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
We're not, he just showed it to you.
It is, yeah, but I mean, likekaren's are along the line of
felicia's too, like by felicia,so I don't know if you know that
term but it was like madepopular in the movie friday and
the gal's name was felicia, andthey're like buy Felicia because
she just over there causingproblems.
Okay, so that's been a big onetoo.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Okay, so when do you become a Karen or Kevin?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
When you're about 50.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Well, you're just not automatically a Karen or Kevin.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
No, not automatically .
It takes work.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
And dedication.
It takes a commitment to beinga Karen.
Not everyone can do it.
Not everyone can achieve thelevel qualified we are looking
for?
Yes when you're criticized asbeing kind of misogynistic or I
don't know, your behaviors areare really kind of way out there
.
Some of the behaviors that arementioned that I looked up have
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to do with, first of all,getting into somebody else's
business and, secondly, ittypically results in I'm going
to call the police.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I've already called the police and they're on their
way here.
Well, I'm sure it's the 47thtime this week that you've
called and they don't give ashit anymore.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
So you called me.
You said sometimes you can be aKaren.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That was hurtful.
That hurt my feelings, both ofthem, you know.
Got to rub them together andget them warm again.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
That's right.
Sometimes demanding to speak toa manager can be perceived as
being a Karen or a Kevin can beperceived as being a Karen or a
Kevin, and I don't agree withthat because I'm not going to
accept poor customer service orsome sass mouth on the other
side of a counter.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And that's true and I know a lot of people call
people out for being Karensbecause of that, but a lot of
times it's because they havebeen given the opportunity to
quell the situation.
They've been given a refund oran offer for, you know, whatever
they want, and they still wantto talk to the manager because
that's not good enough.
They want 10 free meals andfree ice cream for life, or, you
(40:59):
know, they're just not willingto accept the fact that someone
so quote, unquote, low level asa cashier could make things
right with them.
They think they're above that,you know, and they'll even say
in a lot of the reels I've seenthey'll say you know, I'm not
talking to you.
You know I want to talk to yourmanager.
I'm not going to talk to youbecause you're just a cashier
(41:20):
type of thing.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah, and so they're already demeaning that worker
Very much.
So.
I've heard some of them sayyou're going to regret this.
The only thing they'reregretting is that they took a
job for $15 an hour and theydon't have a spork in their hand
that they could jump over thatcounter and stab you in the neck
with it because you're beingsuch an asshat.
Well, and a lot of times, thesecashiers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
They're kids.
Yeah, they're teenagers.
They're under the age of 18.
This is their first job.
Maybe they're in high school,they're working with their
friends, you know.
Maybe they're having a littlefun on the job, but nothing to
the point that would elicit areaction that some of these
people are having towards themand, first of all, they're Okay.
If someone were to come in,cuss out my 16 year old child,
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throw things at them like drinksor food and, you know, talk to
them like that, I would have aproblem with that.
I would probably be up therebefore anybody else, because you
don't do that to a child.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Do you think that that if and I've seen that too
where somebody gets so mad thatthey like clear the counter,
they take their arm and wipe thewhole counter or jump the
counter or they start throwingthings at the workers, do you
think that's considered assaultand that they would consider
that as being, hey, you get theright to defend yourself so I do
(42:46):
, I absolutely do, I wonder, Iwonder what legally, though, if
it's really allowed to say heywell, and the problem is is
legally and employment wise isdifferent.
So legally you could bejustified in defending yourself
from someone coming over thecounter and charging you, just
so everybody knows we're notlawyers.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
We don't really know we're not lawyers, but
self-defense, self-defense, okaybut, job wise, if you defend
yourself and this is on a lot ofcompany policies and I've
worked at a lot of places, so Iknow this especially low-level
jobs you are not allowed todefend yourself or you will lose
your job.
Yeah, so if you're gettingliterally beat up behind the can
(43:31):
, the counter, you know you'regoing to lose your job why would
you ever want to work for acompany like that?
well, let's talk about uhpoverty.
Oasis is, if you want, onanother uh podcast episode
poverty away.
So what it is is it's kind ofan oxymoron, but it's an area
that has high poverty but alsohas a bunch of the low level
(43:55):
jobs like McDonald's, BurgerKing, you know, entry level jobs
that don't pay a lot, butthey're the only jobs within a
30 minute drive and if you're inpoverty you don't always have
that transportation.
You're going to take that jobat mcdonald's in order to
support your family the best youcan yeah, but we can talk about
that later but.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
But I'm just saying, though, that even if I work at
mcdonald's and I, I guess Idon't consider those low level
jobs anymore, because they'repaying mcdonald's workers pretty
well well, but it seems likeit's pretty well.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
But when you really look at it.
I make more than that and Istill struggle, so I get it.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
But people do view those yes.
You know and and they are a lotof.
Those jobs are considered entrylevel and they were never
intended to be careers.
They were intended to bestepping stones for people to
get where they needed to be.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, but I mean a lot of different circumstances
bring people back to those jobs.
You know there's just a slew ofcircumstances.
I have bounced back and forthbetween entry-level jobs and
low-paying jobs just becausethere wasn't the higher paying
jobs out there.
So, I had to wait and in orderto pay my bills while I waited,
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I went and took a bartending jobor a gas station job.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Okay, so back to the fact that I really don't believe
that some people should becalled Karens.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
I think that the situation sometimes justifies
their actions.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
And.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I'm not saying that they need to get violent with
anyone and really raising yourvoice and yelling at somebody or
throwing food or whatever it is, or clearing the counter.
You know what?
If you don't like it there,don't come back.
Right, I mean you've got, youknow you've got choices, you
don't have to come back there.
But there are times when I'veseen people confront other
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people and just because theyresponded, somebody called them
a Karen or a Kevin and I thoughtwait a minute you deserved what
they had to say Absolutely, andI mean it's.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
it's kind of a double-edged sword, because how
are you not adult enough to walkaway?
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Words are words you know you can walk away.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
There are steps that you can walk away.
There are steps that you cantake in order to not have to
deal with this directly.
That's number one.
Okay, just walk away.
Be an adult, don't start, okay.
Number two is the fact that Ithink that nowadays, with social
media, things like that, a lotof people have not been punched
in the face and they walk aroundthinking that nobody's going to
(46:26):
punch him in the face.
They might say a few harshwords or whatever, but you know,
back and forth, a lot of peoplejust think that because they're
you know, barney badass on theinternet, they can say what they
want, that somebody's not goingto shut them up in real life,
right?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
and that's a big problem.
Right, it is a big problem andthat's a whole different podcast
right there how people arehiding behind, you know, a
microphone, like keyboardwarriors, keyboard warriors or
they are hiding behind a ticktock or you know something and
not thinking that anybody'sgoing to come after them, and
they go after a lot of peopleand they're very hurtful and
they're very damaging to otherpeople.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
But at the same time that's the other edge Walk away,
be the bigger person.
You know you don't always haveto have the last word.
You know somebody calls you aname or says you know, go F
yourself, whatever, I don't careif you're in a business or not.
You have the option of walkingaway, walking out of that store
and doing what you need to doonce you leave and calm down.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Okay.
So I'm going to ask you haveyou ever been confronted by what
you would consider a Karen orKevin?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Well, I have uh besides saying yeah, my mom, I
mean I have four children veryclose in age.
Well, the three older ones areand uh, yeah, yeah, I've had,
I've dealt with plenty of Karensbeing a single mom, having all
those kids at the same time.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
And so were they getting in your business, were
you in their business.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Oh, no, very much in my business.
They were in your business,very much in my business, yes,
okay, so the only.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I mean I really haven't had a whole lot, you
know, other than somebody willmake some snide remark or
something, but I've never hadsomebody come over and really
get in my face over anythingthat I can remember.
What about you, dr domain?
Have you ever had theopportunity to deal with?
Oh wait, I take that back atthe property in in georgia oh
(48:20):
yeah, I bought oh yeah, mygoodness.
So I'm gonna come back to you,dr Domain.
So I bought this property inthe Georgia mountains.
The property hadn't beencleared.
It had three old houses on itand a big barn and I elected to
go in and have all of thosebuildings torn down and have the
property cleaned up.
I mean, it really needed to becleaned up and to have some
(48:43):
forestry thinning done, right.
So that it you know you want tocontrol forest fires, you some
forestry thinning done, right sothat it.
You know you want to controlforest fires, you do forestry
thinning.
And anyway, um, the neighbornext door called and just raised
a ruckus and when she called meI had already had a crew on
site.
And she called me and she saidI want you to cease and desist.
(49:08):
Right now you have no businessdoing what you're doing and I
need to see a survey and youneed to have a survey performed
before you ever do any of thiswork.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
And she was yelling I mean, she was really yelling at
me Like she just assumed youdidn't have a survey and didn't
take the proper steps, and so,and I had a crew there at that
time and I mean she kept yellingand finally I go who is this?
New phone.
Who dis?
Speaker 1 (49:36):
and she goes this is so and so.
And I go who are you with right?
And she goes I'm the next doorneighbor and you need to cease
and desist.
And we want to know what zoninglaws you're going to change so
that you can build the buildingson that property.
And I go who have you beentalking to, you know?
I mean, I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
She's been using Google AI for it.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
She was ordering my crew around and everything.
And I said I have a surveyor onsite right now.
You should be able to see him.
He's marking everything rightnow.
And she just kind of keptyelling at me and and, uh, she
said I want you to cease anddesist and you need to provide
us plans, and you need toprovide me with, um, me and the
(50:22):
other neighbors with this, acopy of the survey.
And I go not going to do that.
And I was really calm.
I mean, I had my Jesus shirt onthat day.
It was like I can't.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
And if that would have happened as soon as she
said well, I'm the neighbor, I'dhave been like oh okay, click,
like that would have ended theconversation for me.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
So I listened to her and finally, you know, and I
kept saying, well, I'm not goingto do that, yeah, I'm not, I'm
not going to share that with youshe used Google lawyer.
So I end up going over to theproperty and I called her and I
said hey, this is Jane.
I just talked to you a fewminutes ago.
Could we talk?
I'll meet you in the street.
She wouldn't even let me on herproperty and she came out
(51:05):
yelling and everything and I gowho have you been talking to?
That you think I'm going to putup, you know, eight complexes
on this property or whatever.
By the time I got done with her,she was apologizing and she was
very, you know, happy that Iwas clearing the property, and
or at least I think she was andI haven't heard from her since.
But that was the only time andI was shocked.
(51:26):
I mean, I was just shocked.
I thought who are you and what?
Speaker 3 (51:29):
do you think?
Speaker 1 (51:29):
you're doing.
Tell me what I can do with myproperty.
Anyway, I want to go back toyou, Dr Domain.
Have you ever been approachedor had a situation where you've
had to deal with a Karen or aKevin that you can think of?
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Well, most recently around the sale of the last
property, but she didn'tconfront me like in person.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
That all took place through messages and stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Oh, keyboard warrior, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
It was pretty trivial and I didn't even want to waste
my energy talking about her.
But she just made accusationsand without having a
conversation with you, I thinkthat's the hardest part.
Yeah, these people don't havethe backbone to want to talk to
you about it, so they just rapidfire a bunch of insults,
(52:20):
thinking that's going to resolveit, and all it did really just
turn.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
You know, I just shut her off yeah and I probably
pissed her off more have youever had anybody either one of
you had somebody come out andsay you can't park there, or oh
yeah, you know you can't do this, or whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yeah, with parking, with, especially with, um, of
course, having children being ina lower tax bracket, with food
stamps.
I've had many, uhconfrontations in the checkout
line of the grocery store.
Really Very much so.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Really.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yes, because people think that, um, there aren't
processes in place about youknow who qualifies, what I can
do and things like that, andwant to come up and say, well,
that's an awful lot of hamburgeryou're buying on your food
stamps, or why are you buyingchips on food stamps?
Or why are you buying thiscereal on food stamps?
It's like, mind your business.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Because this is about to turn really ugly really
quickly.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, so you know the use of the term Karen as a
derogatory term.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
What's it date back to 2002?
.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
You know I don't have that, Do you?
Speaker 2 (53:28):
have that date.
I don't Dang, I'm guessing weshould have looked that up.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
We should have.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
I didn't even look at that, somebody with a computer
at the end of the table.
Should have looked that up.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
But it has been widely criticized as a form of,
you know, misogyny, as itunfairly targets women and
really can sometimes discouragethem from speaking out or
expressing themselves.
I don't really care thatsomebody expresses themselves,
but you don't need to get in myface, you don't need to spit at
me to do it.
You know, while those termsmight initially seem like
(54:02):
they're humorous in a way, whenyou describe certain behaviors,
their use has sparked somecontroversy due to the concerns
about, you know, stereotypingand well, and I know, there for
a while they were calling it aslur yeah calling yeah no, no,
it was called a slur againstpeople and I'm like do you know
what the definition of that islike?
Speaker 2 (54:23):
do we need to break out a dictionary at this point?
Because it's it's not.
But okay, yeah, let's run withit.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
I think you have to have a term.
I I mean it's just too long ofa phrase to say just a really
inconsiderate person you know,you gotta kind of shorten it up.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Well, I mean, there's a lot of other terms.
There's um twat waffle umthere's ass hat.
Yeah, dick bag is a good onedouche head.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Yeah, there's all kinds of douche canoe.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
That's my favorite, absolutely telling somebody that
they look.
They look like they eat abanana for the shape and not the
taste.
That's a good one.
It's a little long but it'sworth it, oh my gosh.
Or telling people that you thinkthey eat Snickers upside down
because of the veins.
There's a lot of things you cansay to people that are not
Karen.
Or if you look at someone andsay I would be mad every day if
(55:16):
I looked like you as well, thatkind of hits them, takes them a
minute to process and by thattime you're already gone okay,
so we've talked about whetherwe've actually had any
encounters with a Karen or aKevin.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
Would you get involved with somebody who's
kind of going off like let's saythat you are in a McDonald's
and I haven't been in McDonald'sfor years.
I don't even know what theyserve anymore, but yeah okay,
mcdonald's, I'm there, let's saythat you're at a mcdonald's,
okay, and somebody is just goingoff on this server, and let's
say that the server is reallynice I mean it's they're trying
(55:53):
to hold their own professionallyand somebody starts showing
food, adam starts cuss him.
Oh, I'm stepping in.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
There is not a doubt what are you gonna do?
What am I?
I'm gonna match your energy.
Oh, my goodness.
Oh, it's gonna be royal rumblein there, but the thing is is
I'm gonna take their focus offof that person who is literally
struggling for their life behindthe counter and I'm gonna put
it on me, because it's not gonnabe the first fight that I've
had in McDonald's and itprobably won't be the last but
(56:22):
if I see somebody, throwingfries and stuff about, you know,
at a counter person.
If I've seen the whole thing andit is completely unjustified
how they're acting, I'm going toturn their focus on me because
I mean, like I said before, we,you go low, I go lower.
I mean it's a rebel rouser.
I'm not a rebel rouser, but I'man asshole and if I can use it
(56:42):
for good, I'm gonna put a capeon and do it, if I can use it
for good instead of evil.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
That'll be an opportunity for me.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
I mean, you know I got to get the good ticks along,
you know cancels out all thebad ones all the bad stuff that
you've done, I'm gonna do thisone nice thing for this person I
know one thing that really doesdiffuse them is if you someone
starts recording them.
I know that is a big diffuserfor people who get just
completely over the top theirown things screaming at people.
You start recording them all ofa sudden.
(57:11):
Why are you recording me?
Oh, oh, you calm down reallyquickly.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, yeah don't know that I would automatically get
involved, but we talked aboutthis a little bit before on
thievery, you know, when wetalked about if you saw somebody
stealing something, would youget involved?
Speaker 2 (57:27):
And I tend to try to reason with people and trust me,
folks, this was not my life along time ago I've talked about
this before my temper know, Iwent from zero to a thousand in
3.2 seconds, but I idle at 900well, and you wonder why I go
from zero to prison time in sixseconds or less, like come on
(57:49):
now.
Look who raised me, look whowas around, my role model but
with that said, that's changedover many, many years and your
bones are brittle now and mybones are brittle and.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
I really don't want to get hurt.
Somebody hits me, I go ow.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
You know, in the past it'd be somebody hit me hard
and I'd be going okay, mother,you know you're going down.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
If I did get involved .
I usually try to reason withpeople.
I usually don't try to yellanymore.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
And I said that too, you know, when we were talking
about it before.
Once people are up to thatlevel where they are throwing
things and trying to attack ateenager behind a counter over a
hamburger.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
Even if it's not a teenager, right.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
I mean they're kind of past reasoning at that point
and you really have to kind ofsnap them around and then maybe
reason with them once you knowyou can get their attention.
But my biggest thing is I'vebeen in those positions.
I've been in those situationsas a worker and it gets very
dangerous very quickly for thatworker and so in order to pull
(58:50):
that person back I mean therehave been people shot over a
burger king hamburger- oh yeah,like it's ridiculous, absolutely
.
Speaker 1 (58:57):
And you know you have people who get that excited.
You know, when they go into afast food restaurant and they
want to feed a family of fivefor $22.36.
And they expect everything tobe at the top level, You're in a
five star restaurant.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
You might want to rethink when the workers are
making how much it costs for onehamburger an hour like, come on
now yeah, so anyway, that'sreally all I wanted to talk
about.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
I there are times when I do defend, you know, I do
defend the fact that you have aright to not accept poor
customer service.
You have a right not to acceptsome smart ass, you know, waiter
or waitress.
I think you also got the rightto walk away.
You do, but on the other hand,you know when I'm paying for
that and I've had to pay for it.
(59:47):
The fact is, is my money's goodand I get it and I'm paying for
your service?
Yeah, and I've said this before, if I go to a restaurant, my
service is more important thanthe quality of the food oh,
absolutely and so you give mereally crappy service and I'm
paying a big price for that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Come on, I want you to be nice, but, like I said
before, I mean there's steps totake that don't involve direct
confrontation as well true, youknow, be smart about it, because
not everybody you meet is justpacking fists and people need to
remember that right, right.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I agree with you and I don't know why everybody has
to be so angry all the time.
Anyway, it's like you know,it's a burger well, or it's an
order of fries.
It's a coke.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
It's you know, nobody in the world anymore.
It doesn't even surprise meit's a bag of m&m's.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah, I just I'm.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Nothing ever shocks me anymore, and that's pretty
sad oh well, that makes me sadtoo, cry about it well that's
all I had for today on karen andkevin's well, I think that that
is all the karen absurdity thatwe have for today, but we do
appreciate you joining us hereat the rabbit hole studio.
We do look forward to spendingtime with you each and every
(01:00:59):
week.
So listen, if you can like us,follow us, share us with your
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Hey, even my ex is out there.
Hey, guys that are stilllistening to me for some ungodly
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Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yeah, share us.
Oh, my goodness, share us withyour new girlfriends.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Okay, like they ever come into our conversations, I'm
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where you can shove that, andit's definitely not at
boomerangenexor at gmailcom.
So until next week, I'm BobbiJoy and I'm Jane Burt.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
And you're stuck with us.
Peace out.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Later.
Oh, my goodness, welcome everyone to today's show
.
A boomer and Gen X are walkingto a bar, coming to you from the
rabbit hole studio, where you,as our listeners, will
experience some wit and wisdom,some smart assery and a mother
and a daughter questioning.
Are we even related?
My name is Jane Burt, myco-host is my daughter, bobby,
(00:30):
and for the next several minuteswe're going to entertain you
how you doing today, bobby.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
After that introduction I'm going to say
we're not related, we justpretend to be.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I like to be upbeat and you'd like to be all growly
down there at the other end ofthe studio.
I see that you have yourtherapy chicken today.
What's his name?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So today his name is Timothy.
Okay, timothy, two Toes, eventhough he has three.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Okay, because you change his name periodically and
I never know who I'm talking to.
So that's Timothy this week, Iguess.
I don't know.
You tell me, is it this week orjust today?
We'll say today.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
We'll say today.
I mean, I might get a hair upmy ass and change it again.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oh, my goodness, you and your swearing in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
We're going to see you and your slurred.
I was going to say what did I?
Swearing in your mouth.
You're gonna say you and yourslurred, I was gonna say what I
do now.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So you have a sign on the wall down there because I
had to post something for you.
What's it say down there, bobby?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm silently correcting your grammar.
I am.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I am because sometimes your grammar goes off
beat and also I derail, so youcorrect me on my tracks and I
correct you on your grammar.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, it's like trying to herd a squirrel away
from the dog.
It's just over here.
No, no, no Over here.
Sometimes you got to get abroom.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, which one are we talking about, you or me?
Oh see, that's hurtful.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That right there is hurtful.
Well, you shouldn't be agrammar Nazi.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Okay, nazi okay.
The other thing I noticed is um, you've slowly increased the
number of liquor bottles downthere at the other end of the
studio and I'm I'm starting toget a little bit concerned
they're not empty uh yeah, Imean they're not empty.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Wait a minute, one is empty, okay the others are full
.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, so are we going to have to build you like a
liquor cabinet down there?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I think so, just like a little shelf for all my
airplane bottles, I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm a little bit concerned about you.
Well, I'm not 12.
Well, there's that, there'sthat.
So today our topic is kind ofan interesting one and, uh, I
think I brought this one up,maybe you did, you did, I did,
you did definitely, and Idefinitely want to talk about
this because I think it'scontroversial.
(02:54):
Um, so we have people out therewho are considered or called or
referred to as karens andkevins.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh, kind of like you calling me out on my liquor
bottles down here when it couldbe none of your business.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I think it's a little different than that.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It costs zero dollars to just look away Zero dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I think it's just slightly different than that.
So the reason I wanted to talkabout this is because I think
sometimes people get calledKarens or Kevins and they get a
bad rap, and I think they'rejustified sometimes.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Okay, well, let me ask this before we get into this
how many babies have you everseen that are named Karen?
I don't think they're everbabies.
I think they come out fullgrown, because I've never seen a
baby called karen have you seena baby called lyle?
Or that's a chicken.
I know you leave him out of thisbut no, it's just kind of one
(03:55):
of those names this week anywayit's kind of one of those names
where you're like I've neverheard or seen a baby called
karen like in my life and theyjust all of a sudden they're
just full-grown adults with theslang that's out there now about
Karen.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I mean, who's going to name their child Karen?
I know some Karens and they'renot really Karens in that way,
they're really nice people.
But so the term Karen or theterm Kevin are kind of internet
slang terms used to describecertain types of behavior, but
they've also kind of become asource of controversy because
(04:31):
karen, according to the internetum, the internet, the internet
typically refers to a woman,often white, which blows my mind
, because I have seen somereally bad Karens that are not
white.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And does it?
Does it reference the haircut?
Tell me it references the Karenhaircut.
What's the Karen haircut?
So it's like with the longbangs that you can put behind
your ear, but the back is likeshort.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Oh my goodness, I was going to get my haircut like
that.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I had my haircut like that before it became a Karen
haircut.
Oh my gosh when I lived inTexas.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I had that haircut, yeah, now that you say that, oh
my goodness.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, it's.
It's literally the Karenhaircut is what they call it.
It's hilarious, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So they're perceived as being pretty much entitled,
very demanding, especially inpublic or in customer service
situations.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Kevin's, of course, is a more recent term and that's
used to describe a man whoexhibits a similar, you know,
type of foolish behavior.
I will call it, but I'm onlygoing to refer to it as foolish
behavior this one time, becausethere are times when I've seen a
lot of reels, a lot ofvideotapes, a lot of youtubes
(05:53):
videotapes that aged me, didn'tit?
Wow, I'll give you a minute tolet your mind get blown my
mind's running like a vCRrewinder.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Come on now, jeez Videotapes.
Hey, listen, the kids out thereare going.
What the hell are those?
Are those like eight tracktapes?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
What are those?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Did they put them in the Impalas they drove Anyway.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
So it describes people who allegedly have some
foolish behavior.
But, like I was saying, a lotof the Reels and a lot of the
YouTubes and TikToks that I'veseen, I've got to be honest with
you, I'm on the Karens and theKevins side.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Womp, womp.
How surprising is that you canbe a Karen.
Sometimes, though Me.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I said surprised you can be a Karen sometimes, though
Me, yes, you can.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I said some times this coming from a pot down
there that's calling this kettleblack.
No.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I'm not a Karen, I'm just a loudmouth asshole.
That's a totally differentqualification.
Like you have to actually goand earn that qualification.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So kind of the definition.
I kind of already gave you that.
So kind of the definition, Ikind of already gave you that.
But typically in thesesituations the women and I'm
going to focus on Karen's herefor just a minute are
middle-aged or older right.
Mostly boomers, and yeah, yeahand like I said, they seem to
(07:21):
perceive that they are entitled.
They seem to perceive that theyare entitled, um so.
So, um, dr domain just said youshowed me a note and I'm not
going to talk about that.
Oh, but you're gonna you justdid.
No, I didn't.
No, I didn't, we're not.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
He just showed it to you it is yeah, but I mean, like
karen's are along the line offelicia's too, like by felicia,
so I don't know if you know thatterm but it was like made
popular in the movie friday, andthe gal's name was felicia, and
they're like by felicia becauseshe just over there causing
problems.
Okay, so that that's been a bigone too okay, so.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
So when do you become a Karen or Kevin?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
When you're about 50.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Well, you're just not automatically a Karen or Kevin.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
No, not automatically .
It takes work.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And dedication.
It takes a commitment to beinga Karen.
Not everyone can do it.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Not everyone can achieve the level that we are
looking for.
Not everyone can do it.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Not everyone can achieve the level that we are
looking for, so to be.
When you're criticized as beingkind of misogynistic or I don't
know, your behaviors are reallykind of way out there.
Some of the behaviors that arementioned that I looked up have
(08:49):
to do with, first of all,getting into somebody else's
business and secondly, ittypically results in I'm gonna
call the police.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I've already called the police and they're on their
way here.
Well, I'm sure it's the 47thtime this week that you've
called and they don't give ashit anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So you called me.
You said sometimes you can be aKaren.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
That was hurtful.
That hurt my feelings.
Both of them Got to rub themtogether and get them warm again
.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Sometimes demanding to speak to a manager can be
perceived as being a Karen or aKevin, and I don't agree with
that, because I'm not going toaccept poor customer service or
some sass mouth on the otherside of a counter.
And that's true.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And I know a lot of people call people out for being
Karens because of that, but alot of times it's because they
have been given the opportunityto quell the situation.
They've been given a refund oran offer for, you know, whatever
they want, and they still wantto talk to the manager because
that's not good enough.
They want 10 free meals andfree ice cream for life, or, you
(10:00):
know, they're just not willingto accept the fact that someone
so quote, unquote, low level asa cashier could make things
right with them.
They, they're just not willingto accept the fact that someone
so quote, unquote, low level asa cashier could make things
right with them.
They think they're above that,you know.
And they'll even say, in a lotof the reels I've seen, they'll
say you know I'm not talking toyou.
You know I want to talk to yourmanager.
I'm not going to talk to youbecause you're just a cashier
(10:20):
type of thing.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, yeah, and so they're already demeaning that
worker very much so, and youknow they're.
I've heard some of them sayyou're gonna regret this.
The only thing they'reregretting is that they took a
job for 15 an hour and theydon't have a spork in their hand
that they could jump over thatcounter and stab you in your
neck with it because you'rebeing such an ass hat.
(10:45):
Well, and a lot of theseservers and a lot of times these
cashiers, these cashiers andstuff.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
They're kids.
Yeah, they're teenagers.
They're under the age of 18.
This is their first job.
Maybe they're in high school,they're working with their
friends, you know.
Maybe they're having a littlefun on the job, but nothing to
the point that would elicit areaction that some of these
people are having towards them.
And, first of all, I mean let'sbe their children.
(11:11):
Okay, if someone were to comein, cuss out my 16 year old
child, throw things at them likedrinks or food and, you know,
talk to them like that, I wouldhave a problem with that.
I would probably be up therebefore anybody else, because you
don't do that to a child.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Do you think that if and I've seen that too where
somebody gets so mad that theylike clear the counter, they
take their arm and wipe thewhole counter down or jump the
counter, or jump the counter?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Or they start throwing things at the workers,
or they start throwing things atthe workers.
Do you think that's consideredassault and that they would
consider that as being?
Hey, you get the right todefend yourself.
So I do, I absolutely do, Iwonder what legally, though, if
it's really allowed to say Well,and the problem is is legally
(12:06):
and employment wise is different.
So legally you could bejustified in defending yourself
from someone coming over thecounter and charging you, just
so everybody knows we're notlawyers.
We don't really know we're notlawyers, but self-defense, hey,
self-defense, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But, job wise, if you defend yourself and this is on
a lot of company policies andI've worked at a lot of places,
so I know this especiallylow-level jobs you are not
allowed to defend yourself oryou will lose your job.
Yeah, so if you're gettingliterally beat up behind the can
, the counter and you defendyourself, you know you're going
(12:41):
to lose your job why would youever want to work for a company
like that?
well, let's talk about uhpoverty.
Oasis is, if you want, onanother uh podcast episode,
poverty away.
So what it is?
It's?
It's kind of an oxymoron, butit's an area that has high
poverty but also has a bunch ofthe low-level jobs, like
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mcdonald's burger king, you know, entry level jobs that don't
pay a lot, but they're the onlyjobs within a 30-minute drive
and if you're in poverty youdon't always have that
transportation.
You're going to take that jobat mcdonald's in order to
support your family the best youcan yeah, but we can talk about
that later but.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
But I'm just saying, though, that even if I work at
mcdonald's and I, I guess Idon't consider those low level
jobs anymore, because they'repaying mcdonald's workers pretty
well well, but it seems likeit's pretty well.
But when you really look at ityou them.
I make more than that and Istill struggle, so I get it, but
people do view those yes, youknow and and they are a lot of
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those jobs are considered entrylevel and they were never
intended to be careers.
They were intended to bestepping stones for people to
get where they needed to be.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, but I mean a lot of different circumstances
bring people back to those jobs.
You know there's just a slew ofcircumstances.
Back to those jobs.
You know there's just a slew ofcircumstances.
I have bounced back and forthbetween entry-level jobs and
low-paying jobs just becausethere wasn't the higher paying
jobs out there so I had to waitand, in order to pay my bills
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while I waited, I went and tooka bartending job or a gas
station job okay, so back to thefact that I really don't
believe that some people shouldbe called Karens.
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I think that the situation sometimes justifies
their actions.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I'm not saying that they need to get violent with
anyone and really raising yourvoice and yelling at somebody,
or throwing food or whatever itis, or clearing the counter.
You know what?
If you don't like it there,don't come back.
Right, I mean you've got, youknow you've got choices, you
don't have to come back there.
But there are times when I'veseen people confront other
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people and just because theyresponded, somebody called them
a Karen or a Kevin and I thoughtwait a minute you deserved what
they had to say absolutely, andI mean it's it's kind of a
double-edged sword, because howare you not adult enough to walk
away?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
yeah, words are words .
You know you can walk away.
There are steps that you cantake in order to not have to
deal with this directly.
That's number one.
Okay, just walk away.
Be an adult, don Okay.
Number two is the fact that Ithink that with nowadays, with
social media, things like that,a lot of people have not been
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punched in the face and theywalk around thinking that
nobody's going to punch him inthe face.
They might say a few harshwords or whatever, but you back
and forth, a lot of people justthink that because they're you
know, barney badass on theinternet, they can say what they
want, that somebody's not goingto shut them up in real life,
right?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
and that's a big problem.
Right, it is a big problem andthat's a whole different podcast
right there, how people arehiding behind, you know, a
microphone, like keyboardwarriors, keyboard warriors, or
they are hiding behind a Tik TOKor you know something and not
thinking that anybody's going tocome after them, and they go
after a lot of people andthey're very hurtful and they're
very damaging to other people.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But at the same time that's the other edge walk away,
be the bigger person.
You know you don't always haveto have the last word.
You know somebody calls you aname or says you know, go F
yourself, whatever, I don't careif you're in a business or not.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
You have the option of walking away walking out of
that store and doing what youneed to do once you leave and
calm down.
Okay, so I'm going to ask youhave you ever been confronted by
what you would consider a Karenor Kevin?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well.
I have four Besides saying,yeah, my mom, I mean I have four
children very close in age.
Well, the three older ones areand yeah, I've dealt with plenty
of Karens being a single mom,having all those kids at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
And so were they getting in your business, were
you in their business.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Oh, no, very much in my business.
They were in your business, youin their business.
Oh, no, very much in mybusiness.
They were in very much in mybusiness.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yes, okay, and so the only I mean I really haven't
had a whole lot, you know, otherthan somebody will make some
snide remark, uh, or something,but I've never had somebody come
over and really get in my faceover anything that I can
remember.
What about you, dr Domain?
Have you ever had theopportunity to deal with?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
oh wait, I take that back at the property in in
Georgia that I bought oh yeah,my goodness.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
So I'm going to come back to you, dr Domain.
So I bought this property inthe Georgia mountains and, um,
the property hadn't been cleared, it had three old houses on it
and a big barn and I elected togo in and have all of those
buildings torn down and have theproperty cleaned up.
I mean it really needed to becleaned up and to have some
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forestry um thinning done, right, so that it you know you want
to control forest fires, you doforestry thinning.
And anyway, the neighbor nextdoor called and just raised a
ruckus.
And when she called me I hadalready had a crew on site and
(18:24):
she called me and she said Iwant you to cease and desist
right now.
You have no business doing whatyou're doing and I need to see
a survey and you need to have asurvey performed before you ever
do any of this work.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And she was yelling I mean she was really yelling at
me like she just assumed youdidn't have a survey and didn't
take the proper steps and so,and I had a crew there at that
time and I mean she kept yellingand finally I go who is this?
New phone.
Who dis?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
and she goes this is so and so.
And I go who are you with right?
And she goes I'm the next doorneighbor and you need to cease
and desist.
And we want to know what zoninglaws you're going to change so
that you can build the buildingson that property.
And I go who you been talkingto?
You know, I mean I didn't havea clue.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
She's been using Google AI for it.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
She was ordering my crew around and everything.
And I said I have a surveyor onsite right now.
You should be able to see him.
He's marking everything rightnow.
And she just kind of keptyelling at me and and, uh, she
said I want you to cease anddesist and you need to provide
us plans, and you need toprovide me with, um, me and the
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other neighbors with this, acopy of the survey.
And and I go not going to dothat, and I was really calm.
I mean, I had my Jesus shirt onthat day.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I can't.
And if that would have happenedas soon as she said well, I'm
the neighbor, I'd have been likeoh okay, Click, yeah, Like that
would have ended theconversation.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So I listened to her and finally, you know, and I
kept saying, well, I'm not goingto do that.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I'm not, I'm not going to share that.
She used Google lawyer.
So I end up going over to theproperty and I called her and I
said hey, this is Jane.
I just talked to you a fewminutes ago.
Could we talk?
I'll meet you in the street.
She wouldn't even let me on herproperty and she came out
yelling and everything and I gowho have you been talking to?
(20:30):
That you think I'm gonna put upyou know, eight complexes on
this property.
Right by the time I got donewith her, she was apologizing
and she was very, you know,happy that I was clearing the
property and or at least I thinkshe was and I haven't heard
from her since.
But that was the only time andI was shocked.
I mean, I was just shocked.
I thought who are you and what?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
do you think?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
you're doing, telling me what I can do it with my
property.
Anyway, I want to go back toyou, dr Domain.
Um, have you ever beenapproached or had a situation
where you've had to deal with aKaren or a Kevin that you can
think of?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well, most recently around the sale of the last
property, but she didn'tconfront me like in person.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
That all took place through messages and stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Oh, keyboard warrior yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah.
Yeah, it was pretty trivial andI didn't want to waste my
energy talking about her, butshe just made accusations and
without having a conversationwith you that's the hardest part
yeah these people don't havethe backbone to want to talk to
you about it, so they just rapidfire a bunch of insults,
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thinking that's going to resolveit, and all it did really just
turn.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
You know, I just shut her off yeah and I probably
pissed her off more have youever had anybody either one of
you had somebody come out andsay you can't park there, or oh
yeah, you know you can't do this, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, yeah yeah, with parking, with, especially with,
um, of course, having childrenbeing in a lower tax bracket,
with food stamps.
I've had many, uhconfrontations in the checkout
line of the grocery store.
Really very much so really yes,because people think that, um,
there aren't processes in placeabout you know who qualifies,
(22:25):
what I can do and things likethat, and want to come up and
say, well, that's an awful lotof hamburger you're buying on
your food stamps, or why are youbuying chips on food stamps?
Or why are you buying thiscereal on food stamps?
It's like, mind your businessyeah because this is about to
turn really ugly really quicklyyeah, so the uh.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know the use of the term karen um as a
derogatory term what's it dateback to 2002 you know, I don't
have that, do you have?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
that I don't.
I'm guessing.
We should have looked that upwe should?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I didn't even look at the computer at the end of the
table should have looked that upbut it has been widely
criticized as a form of, youknow, misogyny, as it unfairly
targets women and really cansometimes discourage them from
speaking out or expressingthemselves.
I don't really care thatsomebody expresses themselves,
(23:24):
but you don't need to get in myface, you don't need to spit at
me to do it, and you know, whilethose terms might initially
seem like they're humorous in away, when you describe certain
behaviors, their use has sparkedsome controversy due to the
concerns about, you know,stereotyping and well, and I
know there for a while they werecalling it a slur.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, calling people a slang yeah, no, no, it was
called a slur against people andI know there for a while they
were calling it a slur, yeah,calling people, yeah, no, no, it
was called a slur againstpeople and I'm like do you know
what the definition of that islike?
Do we need to break out adictionary at this point?
Because it's it's not.
But okay, yeah, let's run withit.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I think you have to have a term.
I I mean it's just too long ofa phrase to say Just a really
inconsiderate asshole.
You've got to kind of shortenit up, well, I mean there's a
lot of other terms.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
There's twat waffle.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
There's ass hat, I use ass hat.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, dick bag is a good one.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Douche head yeah, there's all kinds of good ones.
Douche canoe, that's myfavorite, that's right.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Absolutely douche canoe.
That's my favorite.
Absolutely telling somebodythat they look.
They look like they eat abanana for the shape and not the
taste.
That's a good one.
It's a little long but it'sworth it.
Oh my god, we're telling peoplethat you think they eat snickers
upside down because of theveins?
Uh, there's a lot of things youcan say to people that are not
caring.
Or if you look at someone andsay I would be mad every day if
(24:46):
I looked like you as well, thatkind of hits them, takes them a
minute to process and by thattime you're already gone okay,
so we've talked about whetherwe've actually had any
encounters with a karen or akevin.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Would you get involved with somebody who's
kind of going off like let's saythat you are in a mcdonald's
and I haven't been in mcdonald'sfor years.
I don't even know what theyserve anymore, but yeah okay,
mcdonald's, I'm there, let's saythat you're at a mcdonald's,
okay, and somebody is just goingoff on this server, and let's
say that the server is reallynice I mean it's they're trying
(25:23):
to hold their own professionallyand somebody starts showing
food, adam starts cussing atthem.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Oh, I'm stepping in, there is not a doubt.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm going to match their energy, oh my goodness.
Oh, it's going to be RoyalRumble in there, but the thing
is is I'm going to take theirfocus off of that person who is
literally struggling for theirlife behind the counter, and I'm
going to put it on me becauseit's not going to be the first
fight that I've had inmcdonald's and it probably won't
be the last but if I see,somebody throwing fries and
(25:55):
stuff about you know, at acounter person.
If I've seen the whole thing andit is completely unjustified
how they're acting, I'm going toturn their focus on me because
I mean, like I said before, we,you go low, I go lower I mean
it's a rebel rouser.
I'm not a rebel rouser, but I'man asshole, and if I can use it
for good, I'm gonna put a capeon and do it, if I can use it
(26:16):
for good instead of evil.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That'll be an opportunity for me.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I mean, you know I gotta get the good ticks along.
You know it cancels out all thebad ones, all the bad stuff
that you've done.
I'm gonna do this one nicething for this person I know one
thing that really does diffusethem is if you someone starts
recording them.
I know that is a big diffuserfor people who get just
completely over the top theirown things screaming at people.
You start recording them all ofa sudden.
(26:41):
Why are you recording me?
Oh, oh, you calm down reallyquickly.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, yeah yeah, well , I, I don't know that I would
automatically get involved, butwe talked about this a little
bit before on thievery, you know, when we talked about if you
saw somebody stealing somethingwould you get involved, and I
tend to try to reason withpeople, yeah, and so you know,
and and trust me folks, this wasnot my life a long time ago no,
(27:09):
I've talked about this beforemy temper.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
You know, I went from zero to a thousand in 3.2
seconds, but I idle at 900 well,and you wonder why I go from
zero to prison time in sixseconds or less, like come on
now.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Look who raised me, look who was around, my role
model but, with that said,that's changed over many, many
years and your bones are brittlenow and my bones are brittle
and I really don't want to hurt,get hurt.
Somebody hits me, I go ow, youknow in the past would be
somebody hit me hard and I'd begoing okay, mother, you know
you're going down, but, um, youknow if, if I did get involved,
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I usually try to reason withpeople, I usually don't try to
yell anymore and I said that too, you know, when we were talking
about it before.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Once people are up to that level where they are
throwing things and trying toattack a teenager behind a
counter over a hamburger even ifit's not a teenager, right I?
mean they're kind of pastreasoning at that point and you
really have to kind of snap themaround and then maybe reason
with them once you know you canget their attention.
(28:17):
But my biggest thing is I'vebeen in those positions.
I've been in those situationsas a worker and it gets very
dangerous very quickly for thatworker and so in order to pull
that person back I mean therehave been people shot over a
burger king hamburger- oh yeah,like it's ridiculous, absolutely
.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And you know you have people who get that excited,
you know, when they go into afast food restaurant and they
want to feed a family of fivefor 22 and 36 cents and they
want to feed a family of fivefor $22.36 and they expect
everything to be at the toplevel.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Like you're in a five-star restaurant, you might
want to rethink when the workersare making how much it costs
for one hamburger an hour like,come on now yeah, so, um, anyway
, that's really all I wanted totalk about.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I there are times when I do defend, you know, I do
defend the fact that you have aright to not accept poor
customer service.
You have a right not to acceptsome smart ass, you know, waiter
or waitress.
I think you also got the rightto walk away.
You do, but on the other hand,you know when I'm paying for
that and I've had to pay for it.
(29:27):
The fact is is you know mymoney's good and I get it and
I'm paying for your service?
Yeah, and I've said this before, if I go to a restaurant, my
service is more important thanthe quality of the food.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And so you give me really crappy service and I'm
paying a big price for that.
Come on, I want you to be nice.
So you give me really crappyservice and I'm paying a big
price for that.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Come on, I want you to be nice, but, like I said
before, I mean there's steps totake that don't involve direct
confrontation as well.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
True that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Be smart about it, because not everybody you meet
is just packing fists and peopleneed to remember that.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Right, right, I agree with you and I don't know why
everybody has to be so angry allthe time.
Anyway, it's like you know,it's a burger.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Or it's an order of fries.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
It's a Coke.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
It's, you know nobody , just With the state of the
world anymore.
It doesn't even surprise me,it's a bag of M&M's?
Yeah, I just nothing evershocks me anymore, and that's
pretty sad.
Aww, well, that pretty sad, ohwell, that makes me sad to cry
about it.
Well, that's all I had fortoday on karen and kevin's.
Well, I think that that is allthe karen absurdity that we have
(30:33):
for today, but we do appreciateyou joining us here at the
rabbit hole studio.
We do look forward to spendingtime with you each and every
week.
So listen, if you can like us,follow us, share us with your
friends, share us with yourenemies.
Hey, even my ex is out there.
Hey, guys that are stilllistening to me for some ungodly
reason, and they think you'retalking about them.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, share us with your new girlfriends.
Okay, Like they ever come intoour conversations.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I'm telling you you know, if you have hate mail,
well you know where you canshove that, and it's definitely
not at boomerangenexor atgmailcom.
So until next week, I'm BobbiJoy and I'm Jane Burt.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And you're stuck with us.
Peace out.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Later.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Oh, my goodness, welcome everyone to today's show
of Boomer and Gen X.
Are walking to a bar, coming toyou from the rabbit hole studio
, where you, as our listeners,will experience some wit and
wisdom, some smart assery and amother and a daughter
questioning.
Are we even related?
My name is Jane Burt, myco-host is my daughter, bobby,
(31:48):
and for the next several minuteswe're going to entertain you
how you doing today, bobby afterthat introduction I'm gonna say
we're not related, we justpretend to be.
I like to be upbeat and you liketo be all growly down there at
the other end of the studio.
I see that you have yourtherapy chicken today.
(32:08):
What's his name?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So today his name is Timothy Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Timothy, two Toes Even though he has three.
Okay, because you change hisname periodically and I never
know who I'm talking to.
So that's Timothy this week, Iguess.
I don't know.
You tell me me, is it this weekor just today?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
um we'll say today we'll say today.
I mean I might get a hair up myass and change it again.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
So oh, my goodness, you and your, you're swearing in
your mouth, you're gonna sayyou and your slurred I was gonna
say.
What did I do now?
So you have a sign on the walldown there because I had to post
something for you.
What's it say down there?
Bobby, I'm silently correctingyour grammar.
I am.
I am Because sometimes yourgrammar goes off beat and also I
(32:58):
derail.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
So you correct me on my tracks and I correct you on
your grammar, you know, tryingto herd a squirrel away from the
dog.
It's just over here, no, no, no, over here.
Sometimes you've got to get abroom.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Okay, which one are we talking about, you or me?
Oh see, that's hurtful.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
That right there is hurtful.
Well, you shouldn't be agrammar Nazi.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Okay.
The other thing I noticed isyou've slowly increased the
number of liquor bottles downthere at the other end of the
studio and I'm I'm starting toget a little bit concerned
they're not empty yet.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I mean they're not empty.
Wait a minute.
One is empty, okay, the othersare full.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Okay, so are we gonna have to build you like a liquor
cabinet down?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
there, I think so, just like a little shelf for all
my airplane bottles, I'm fine.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I'm a little bit concerned about you.
Well, I'm not 12.
So well, there's that, there'sthat.
So today our topic is kind ofan interesting one, and I think
I brought this one up.
You did, you did, I did, youdid definitely and I definitely
want to talk about this becauseI think it's controversial um so
(34:13):
we have people out there whoare considered or called or
referred to as karen's andkevin's.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh, kind of like you calling me out on my liquor
bottles down here when it couldbe none, yeah, none, your
business I think it's a littledifferent than that.
It costs zero dollars to justlook away zero dollars I think
it's just slightly differentthan that.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
so the reason I wanted to talk about this is
because I think sometimes peopleget called karens or Kevins and
they get a bad rap and I thinkthey're justified sometimes.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Okay, well, let me ask this before we get into this
how many babies have you everseen that are named Karen?
I don't think they're everbabies.
I think they come out fullgrown, because I've never seen a
baby called Karen.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Have you seen a baby called Lyle or?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That's a chicken.
I know you leave him out ofthis.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
But no, it's just kind of one of those names.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
It's Timothy this week anyway, it's kind of one of
those names where you're likeI've never heard or seen a baby
called Karen like in my life andthey just all of a sudden
they're just full grown adultsWith the slang that's out there
now about Karen.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I mean, who's going to name their child Karen?
I know some Karens and they'renot really Karens in that way,
they're really nice people.
So the term Karen or the termKevin are kind of Internet slang
terms used to describe certaintypes of behavior, but they've
also kind of become a source ofcontroversy because Karen
(35:50):
according to the internet, theinternets, the internet
typically refers to a woman,often white, which blows my mind
because I have seen some reallybad Karens that are not white.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
And does it reference the haircut?
Tell me it references the Karenhaircut.
What's a Karen haircut?
So it's like with the longbangs that you can put behind
your ear, but the back is likeshort.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Oh my goodness, I was going to get my hair cut like
that.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I had my hair cut like that before it became a
Karen haircut, oh my gosh, whenI lived in Texas, I had my
haircut like that before itbecame a karen haircut.
Oh my gosh, when I lived intexas, I had that haircut yeah,
now that you say that, oh mygoodness, yeah, it's, it's
literally the karen haircut iswhat they call it.
It's hilarious, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
So they're perceived as being pretty much entitled,
yes, very demanding, especiallyin public or in customer service
situations.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Kevin's, of course, is a more recent term and that's
used to describe a man whoexhibits a similar type of
foolish behavior.
I will call it, but I'm onlygoing to refer to it as foolish
behavior this one time, becausethere are times when I've seen a
lot of reels, a lot ofvideotapes, a lot of YouTube's
videotapes that aged me, didn'tit?
(37:10):
Wow, I'll give you a minute tolet your mind get blown.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, my mind's running like a VCR winder.
Come on now.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Jeez.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Videotapes hey listen .
The kids out there are going.
What the hell are those?
Are those like eight tracktapes is that did they put them
in the impalas?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
they drove anyway you know, it describes people who
allegedly have allegedly foolishbehavior yes and but, like I
was saying, a lot of the reelsand a lot of the youtubes and
tiktoks I've seen.
I got to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'm on the Karen's and the Kevin's side, womp, womp
.
How surprising is that?
How surprising.
You can be a Karen sometimes,though Me.
Yes, you can.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I said some times and this coming from a pot down
there that's calling this kettleblack.
No.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I'm not a Karen, I'm just a loudmouth asshole.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
That's this kettlebell.
I'm not a karen, I'm just aloud mouth asshole.
That's a totally differentqualification.
Like you have to actually goand earn that qualification.
So kind of the definition Ikind of kind of already gave you
that.
But typically in thesesituations the women and I'm
going to focus on karen's herefor just a minute are
middle-aged or older right,mostly boomers, and yeah, yeah
and like I said, they seem toperceive that they are entitled.
(38:34):
So Dr Domain just said youshowed me a note and I'm not
going to talk about that.
Oh, but you just did.
No, I didn't.
No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
We're not, he just showed it to you.
It is, yeah, but I mean, likekaren's are along the line of
felicia's too, like by felicia,so I don't know if you know that
term but it was like madepopular in the movie friday and
the gal's name was felicia, andthey're like buy Felicia because
she just over there causingproblems.
Okay, so that's been a big onetoo.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Okay, so when do you become a Karen or Kevin?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
When you're about 50.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Well, you're just not automatically a Karen or Kevin.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
No, not automatically .
It takes work.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
And dedication.
It takes a commitment to beinga Karen.
Not everyone can do it.
Not everyone can achieve thelevel qualified we are looking
for?
Yes when you're criticized asbeing kind of misogynistic or I
don't know, your behaviors areare really kind of way out there
.
Some of the behaviors that arementioned that I looked up have
(39:47):
to do with, first of all,getting into somebody else's
business and, secondly, ittypically results in I'm going
to call the police.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I've already called the police and they're on their
way here.
Well, I'm sure it's the 47thtime this week that you've
called and they don't give ashit anymore.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
So you called me.
You said sometimes you can be aKaren.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That was hurtful.
That hurt my feelings, both ofthem, you know.
Got to rub them together andget them warm again.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
That's right.
Sometimes demanding to speak toa manager can be perceived as
being a Karen or a Kevin can beperceived as being a Karen or a
Kevin, and I don't agree withthat because I'm not going to
accept poor customer service orsome sass mouth on the other
side of a counter.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And that's true and I know a lot of people call
people out for being Karensbecause of that, but a lot of
times it's because they havebeen given the opportunity to
quell the situation.
They've been given a refund oran offer for, you know, whatever
they want, and they still wantto talk to the manager because
that's not good enough.
They want 10 free meals andfree ice cream for life, or, you
(40:59):
know, they're just not willingto accept the fact that someone
so quote, unquote, low level asa cashier could make things
right with them.
They think they're above that,you know, and they'll even say
in a lot of the reels I've seenthey'll say you know, I'm not
talking to you.
You know I want to talk to yourmanager.
I'm not going to talk to youbecause you're just a cashier
(41:20):
type of thing.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah, and so they're already demeaning that worker
Very much.
So.
I've heard some of them sayyou're going to regret this.
The only thing they'reregretting is that they took a
job for $15 an hour and theydon't have a spork in their hand
that they could jump over thatcounter and stab you in the neck
with it because you're beingsuch an asshat.
Well, and a lot of times, thesecashiers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
They're kids.
Yeah, they're teenagers.
They're under the age of 18.
This is their first job.
Maybe they're in high school,they're working with their
friends, you know.
Maybe they're having a littlefun on the job, but nothing to
the point that would elicit areaction that some of these
people are having towards themand, first of all, they're Okay.
If someone were to come in,cuss out my 16 year old child,
(42:10):
throw things at them like drinksor food and, you know, talk to
them like that, I would have aproblem with that.
I would probably be up therebefore anybody else, because you
don't do that to a child.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Do you think that that if and I've seen that too
where somebody gets so mad thatthey like clear the counter,
they take their arm and wipe thewhole counter or jump the
counter or they start throwingthings at the workers, do you
think that's considered assaultand that they would consider
that as being, hey, you get theright to defend yourself so I do
(42:46):
, I absolutely do, I wonder, Iwonder what legally, though, if
it's really allowed to say heywell, and the problem is is
legally and employment wise isdifferent.
So legally you could bejustified in defending yourself
from someone coming over thecounter and charging you, just
so everybody knows we're notlawyers.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
We don't really know we're not lawyers, but
self-defense, self-defense, okaybut, job wise, if you defend
yourself and this is on a lot ofcompany policies and I've
worked at a lot of places, so Iknow this especially low-level
jobs you are not allowed todefend yourself or you will lose
your job.
Yeah, so if you're gettingliterally beat up behind the can
(43:31):
, the counter, you know you'regoing to lose your job why would
you ever want to work for acompany like that?
well, let's talk about uhpoverty.
Oasis is, if you want, onanother uh podcast episode
poverty away.
So what it is is it's kind ofan oxymoron, but it's an area
that has high poverty but alsohas a bunch of the low level
(43:55):
jobs like McDonald's, BurgerKing, you know, entry level jobs
that don't pay a lot, butthey're the only jobs within a
30 minute drive and if you're inpoverty you don't always have
that transportation.
You're going to take that jobat mcdonald's in order to
support your family the best youcan yeah, but we can talk about
that later but.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
But I'm just saying, though, that even if I work at
mcdonald's and I, I guess Idon't consider those low level
jobs anymore, because they'repaying mcdonald's workers pretty
well well, but it seems likeit's pretty well.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
But when you really look at it.
I make more than that and Istill struggle, so I get it.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
But people do view those yes.
You know and and they are a lotof.
Those jobs are considered entrylevel and they were never
intended to be careers.
They were intended to bestepping stones for people to
get where they needed to be.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, but I mean a lot of different circumstances
bring people back to those jobs.
You know there's just a slew ofcircumstances.
I have bounced back and forthbetween entry-level jobs and
low-paying jobs just becausethere wasn't the higher paying
jobs out there.
So, I had to wait and in orderto pay my bills while I waited,
(45:09):
I went and took a bartending jobor a gas station job.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Okay, so back to the fact that I really don't believe
that some people should becalled Karens.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
I think that the situation sometimes justifies
their actions.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
And.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I'm not saying that they need to get violent with
anyone and really raising yourvoice and yelling at somebody or
throwing food or whatever it is, or clearing the counter.
You know what?
If you don't like it there,don't come back.
Right, I mean you've got, youknow you've got choices, you
don't have to come back there.
But there are times when I'veseen people confront other
(45:48):
people and just because theyresponded, somebody called them
a Karen or a Kevin and I thoughtwait a minute you deserved what
they had to say Absolutely, andI mean it's.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
it's kind of a double-edged sword, because how
are you not adult enough to walkaway?
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Words are words you know you can walk away.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
There are steps that you can walk away.
There are steps that you cantake in order to not have to
deal with this directly.
That's number one.
Okay, just walk away.
Be an adult, don't start, okay.
Number two is the fact that Ithink that nowadays, with social
media, things like that, a lotof people have not been punched
in the face and they walk aroundthinking that nobody's going to
(46:26):
punch him in the face.
They might say a few harshwords or whatever, but you know,
back and forth, a lot of peoplejust think that because they're
you know, barney badass on theinternet, they can say what they
want, that somebody's not goingto shut them up in real life,
right?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
and that's a big problem.
Right, it is a big problem andthat's a whole different podcast
right there how people arehiding behind, you know, a
microphone, like keyboardwarriors, keyboard warriors or
they are hiding behind a ticktock or you know something and
not thinking that anybody'sgoing to come after them, and
they go after a lot of peopleand they're very hurtful and
they're very damaging to otherpeople.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
But at the same time that's the other edge Walk away,
be the bigger person.
You know you don't always haveto have the last word.
You know somebody calls you aname or says you know, go F
yourself, whatever, I don't careif you're in a business or not.
You have the option of walkingaway, walking out of that store
and doing what you need to doonce you leave and calm down.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Okay.
So I'm going to ask you haveyou ever been confronted by what
you would consider a Karen orKevin?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Well, I have uh besides saying yeah, my mom, I
mean I have four children veryclose in age.
Well, the three older ones areand uh, yeah, yeah, I've had,
I've dealt with plenty of Karensbeing a single mom, having all
those kids at the same time.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
And so were they getting in your business, were
you in their business.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Oh, no, very much in my business.
They were in your business,very much in my business, yes,
okay, so the only.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I mean I really haven't had a whole lot, you
know, other than somebody willmake some snide remark or
something, but I've never hadsomebody come over and really
get in my face over anythingthat I can remember.
What about you, dr domain?
Have you ever had theopportunity to deal with?
Oh wait, I take that back atthe property in in georgia oh
(48:20):
yeah, I bought oh yeah, mygoodness.
So I'm gonna come back to you,dr Domain.
So I bought this property inthe Georgia mountains.
The property hadn't beencleared.
It had three old houses on itand a big barn and I elected to
go in and have all of thosebuildings torn down and have the
property cleaned up.
I mean, it really needed to becleaned up and to have some
(48:43):
forestry thinning done, right.
So that it you know you want tocontrol forest fires, you some
forestry thinning done, right sothat it.
You know you want to controlforest fires, you do forestry
thinning.
And anyway, um, the neighbornext door called and just raised
a ruckus and when she called meI had already had a crew on
site.
And she called me and she saidI want you to cease and desist.
(49:08):
Right now you have no businessdoing what you're doing and I
need to see a survey and youneed to have a survey performed
before you ever do any of thiswork.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
And she was yelling I mean, she was really yelling at
me Like she just assumed youdidn't have a survey and didn't
take the proper steps, and so,and I had a crew there at that
time and I mean she kept yellingand finally I go who is this?
New phone.
Who dis?
Speaker 1 (49:36):
and she goes this is so and so.
And I go who are you with right?
And she goes I'm the next doorneighbor and you need to cease
and desist.
And we want to know what zoninglaws you're going to change so
that you can build the buildingson that property.
And I go who have you beentalking to, you know?
I mean, I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
She's been using Google AI for it.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
She was ordering my crew around and everything.
And I said I have a surveyor onsite right now.
You should be able to see him.
He's marking everything rightnow.
And she just kind of keptyelling at me and and, uh, she
said I want you to cease anddesist and you need to provide
us plans, and you need toprovide me with, um, me and the
(50:22):
other neighbors with this, acopy of the survey.
And I go not going to do that.
And I was really calm.
I mean, I had my Jesus shirt onthat day.
It was like I can't.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
And if that would have happened as soon as she
said well, I'm the neighbor, I'dhave been like oh okay, click,
like that would have ended theconversation for me.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
So I listened to her and finally, you know, and I
kept saying, well, I'm not goingto do that, yeah, I'm not, I'm
not going to share that with youshe used Google lawyer.
So I end up going over to theproperty and I called her and I
said hey, this is Jane.
I just talked to you a fewminutes ago.
Could we talk?
I'll meet you in the street.
She wouldn't even let me on herproperty and she came out
(51:05):
yelling and everything and I gowho have you been talking to?
That you think I'm going to putup, you know, eight complexes
on this property or whatever.
By the time I got done with her,she was apologizing and she was
very, you know, happy that Iwas clearing the property, and
or at least I think she was andI haven't heard from her since.
But that was the only time andI was shocked.
(51:26):
I mean, I was just shocked.
I thought who are you and what?
Speaker 3 (51:29):
do you think?
Speaker 1 (51:29):
you're doing.
Tell me what I can do with myproperty.
Anyway, I want to go back toyou, Dr Domain.
Have you ever been approachedor had a situation where you've
had to deal with a Karen or aKevin that you can think of?
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Well, most recently around the sale of the last
property, but she didn'tconfront me like in person.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
That all took place through messages and stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Oh, keyboard warrior, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
It was pretty trivial and I didn't even want to waste
my energy talking about her.
But she just made accusationsand without having a
conversation with you, I thinkthat's the hardest part.
Yeah, these people don't havethe backbone to want to talk to
you about it, so they just rapidfire a bunch of insults,
(52:20):
thinking that's going to resolveit, and all it did really just
turn.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
You know, I just shut her off yeah and I probably
pissed her off more have youever had anybody either one of
you had somebody come out andsay you can't park there, or oh
yeah, you know you can't do this, or whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yeah, with parking, with, especially with, um, of
course, having children being ina lower tax bracket, with food
stamps.
I've had many, uhconfrontations in the checkout
line of the grocery store.
Really Very much so.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Really.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yes, because people think that, um, there aren't
processes in place about youknow who qualifies, what I can
do and things like that, andwant to come up and say, well,
that's an awful lot of hamburgeryou're buying on your food
stamps, or why are you buyingchips on food stamps?
Or why are you buying thiscereal on food stamps?
It's like, mind your business.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Because this is about to turn really ugly really
quickly.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, so you know the use of the term Karen as a
derogatory term.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
What's it date back to 2002?
.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
You know I don't have that, Do you?
Speaker 2 (53:28):
have that date.
I don't Dang, I'm guessing weshould have looked that up.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
We should have.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
I didn't even look at that, somebody with a computer
at the end of the table.
Should have looked that up.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
But it has been widely criticized as a form of,
you know, misogyny, as itunfairly targets women and
really can sometimes discouragethem from speaking out or
expressing themselves.
I don't really care thatsomebody expresses themselves,
but you don't need to get in myface, you don't need to spit at
me to do it.
You know, while those termsmight initially seem like
(54:02):
they're humorous in a way, whenyou describe certain behaviors,
their use has sparked somecontroversy due to the concerns
about, you know, stereotypingand well, and I know, there for
a while they were calling it aslur yeah calling yeah no, no,
it was called a slur againstpeople and I'm like do you know
what the definition of that islike?
Speaker 2 (54:23):
do we need to break out a dictionary at this point?
Because it's it's not.
But okay, yeah, let's run withit.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
I think you have to have a term.
I I mean it's just too long ofa phrase to say just a really
inconsiderate person you know,you gotta kind of shorten it up.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Well, I mean, there's a lot of other terms.
There's um twat waffle umthere's ass hat.
Yeah, dick bag is a good onedouche head.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Yeah, there's all kinds of douche canoe.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
That's my favorite, absolutely telling somebody that
they look.
They look like they eat abanana for the shape and not the
taste.
That's a good one.
It's a little long but it'sworth it, oh my gosh.
Or telling people that you thinkthey eat Snickers upside down
because of the veins.
There's a lot of things you cansay to people that are not
Karen.
Or if you look at someone andsay I would be mad every day if
(55:16):
I looked like you as well, thatkind of hits them, takes them a
minute to process and by thattime you're already gone okay,
so we've talked about whetherwe've actually had any
encounters with a Karen or aKevin.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
Would you get involved with somebody who's
kind of going off like let's saythat you are in a McDonald's
and I haven't been in McDonald'sfor years.
I don't even know what theyserve anymore, but yeah okay,
mcdonald's, I'm there, let's saythat you're at a mcdonald's,
okay, and somebody is just goingoff on this server, and let's
say that the server is reallynice I mean it's they're trying
(55:53):
to hold their own professionallyand somebody starts showing
food, adam starts cuss him.
Oh, I'm stepping in.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
There is not a doubt what are you gonna do?
What am I?
I'm gonna match your energy.
Oh, my goodness.
Oh, it's gonna be royal rumblein there, but the thing is is
I'm gonna take their focus offof that person who is literally
struggling for their life behindthe counter and I'm gonna put
it on me, because it's not gonnabe the first fight that I've
had in McDonald's and itprobably won't be the last but
(56:22):
if I see somebody, throwingfries and stuff about, you know,
at a counter person.
If I've seen the whole thing andit is completely unjustified
how they're acting, I'm going toturn their focus on me because
I mean, like I said before, we,you go low, I go lower.
I mean it's a rebel rouser.
I'm not a rebel rouser, but I'man asshole and if I can use it
(56:42):
for good, I'm gonna put a capeon and do it, if I can use it
for good instead of evil.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
That'll be an opportunity for me.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
I mean, you know I got to get the good ticks along,
you know cancels out all thebad ones all the bad stuff that
you've done, I'm gonna do thisone nice thing for this person I
know one thing that really doesdiffuse them is if you someone
starts recording them.
I know that is a big diffuserfor people who get just
completely over the top theirown things screaming at people.
You start recording them all ofa sudden.
(57:11):
Why are you recording me?
Oh, oh, you calm down reallyquickly.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, yeah don't know that I would automatically get
involved, but we talked aboutthis a little bit before on
thievery, you know, when wetalked about if you saw somebody
stealing something, would youget involved?
Speaker 2 (57:27):
And I tend to try to reason with people and trust me,
folks, this was not my life along time ago I've talked about
this before my temper know, Iwent from zero to a thousand in
3.2 seconds, but I idle at 900well, and you wonder why I go
from zero to prison time in sixseconds or less, like come on
(57:49):
now.
Look who raised me, look whowas around, my role model but
with that said, that's changedover many, many years and your
bones are brittle now and mybones are brittle and.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
I really don't want to get hurt.
Somebody hits me, I go ow.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
You know, in the past it'd be somebody hit me hard
and I'd be going okay, mother,you know you're going down.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
If I did get involved .
I usually try to reason withpeople.
I usually don't try to yellanymore.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
And I said that too, you know, when we were talking
about it before.
Once people are up to thatlevel where they are throwing
things and trying to attack ateenager behind a counter over a
hamburger.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
Even if it's not a teenager, right.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
I mean they're kind of past reasoning at that point
and you really have to kind ofsnap them around and then maybe
reason with them once you knowyou can get their attention.
But my biggest thing is I'vebeen in those positions.
I've been in those situationsas a worker and it gets very
dangerous very quickly for thatworker and so in order to pull
(58:50):
that person back I mean therehave been people shot over a
burger king hamburger- oh yeah,like it's ridiculous, absolutely
.
Speaker 1 (58:57):
And you know you have people who get that excited.
You know, when they go into afast food restaurant and they
want to feed a family of fivefor $22.36.
And they expect everything tobe at the top level, You're in a
five star restaurant.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
You might want to rethink when the workers are
making how much it costs for onehamburger an hour like, come on
now yeah, so anyway, that'sreally all I wanted to talk
about.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
I there are times when I do defend, you know, I do
defend the fact that you have aright to not accept poor
customer service.
You have a right not to acceptsome smart ass, you know, waiter
or waitress.
I think you also got the rightto walk away.
You do, but on the other hand,you know when I'm paying for
that and I've had to pay for it.
(59:47):
The fact is, is my money's goodand I get it and I'm paying for
your service?
Yeah, and I've said this before, if I go to a restaurant, my
service is more important thanthe quality of the food oh,
absolutely and so you give mereally crappy service and I'm
paying a big price for that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Come on, I want you to be nice, but, like I said
before, I mean there's steps totake that don't involve direct
confrontation as well true, youknow, be smart about it, because
not everybody you meet is justpacking fists and people need to
remember that right, right.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I agree with you and I don't know why everybody has
to be so angry all the time.
Anyway, it's like you know,it's a burger well, or it's an
order of fries.
It's a coke.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
It's you know, nobody in the world anymore.
It doesn't even surprise meit's a bag of m&m's.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah, I just I'm.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Nothing ever shocks me anymore, and that's pretty
sad oh well, that makes me sadtoo, cry about it well that's
all I had for today on karen andkevin's well, I think that that
is all the karen absurdity thatwe have for today, but we do
appreciate you joining us hereat the rabbit hole studio.
We do look forward to spendingtime with you each and every
(01:00:59):
week.
So listen, if you can like us,follow us, share us with your
friends, share us with yourenemies.
Hey, even my ex is out there.
Hey, guys that are stilllistening to me for some ungodly
reason, and they think you'retalking about them.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yeah, share us.
Oh, my goodness, share us withyour new girlfriends.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Okay, like they ever come into our conversations, I'm
telling you you know, if youhave hate mail, well you know
where you can shove that, andit's definitely not at
boomerangenexor at gmailcom.
So until next week, I'm BobbiJoy and I'm Jane Burt.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
And you're stuck with us.
Peace out.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Later.
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