July 1, 2025 • 35 mins
The COVID-19 pandemic upended our world in unprecedented ways, and in this raw, unfiltered conversation, mother-daughter duo Jane and Bobbi share their personal journey through those turbulent times.
When the world locked down, the world found itself navigating conflicting information, employer vaccine mandates, and bizarre societal responses like the great toilet paper shortage of 2020. They candidly discuss the "traveling papers" essential workers carried, which felt uncomfortably reminiscent of historical periods of government control. As Bobbi reveals, "That kind of shook me," highlighting how pandemic measures crossed lines many Americans found troubling.
The economic devastation receives particular attention, as the hosts reflect on how corporate giants continued operations while countless small businesses permanently closed. "Every closed door represented a family," they note, pointing to financial hardships that many have never recovered from years later. Meanwhile, social connections fractured under the strain of different risk assessments and vaccination choices.
Despite the serious subject matter, the conversation maintains moments of humor, particularly when discussing pandemic absurdities like people driving alone in cars while masked or the origins of toilet paper hoarding. Their practical takeaway? Wash your hands, respect personal space, and invest in a bidet – because pandemic or not, these remain solid life advice.
Email us at boomerandgenexor@gmail.com with your feedback or personal pandemic stories – we promise to respect your anonymity if requested.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome, welcome, welcome everyone to today's show
.
Boomer and Gen X are walking toa bar, coming to you from the
rabbit hole studio, where you,as our listeners, will
experience some wit and wisdom,some smart assery, and this
mother and that daughterquestioning.
Are we even related?
My name is Jane and my co-hostis my daughter, bobby, and for
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the next several minutes we arehere to entertain you.
How, how are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
bobby, I'm doing good today.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's uh raining but it's getting nicer yeah, and we
needed the rain too, that's forsure people, we really needed
this rain for the crops and foractually for my garden.
Thank you very much, okay well,those are crops you know the
same flowers and stuff like that.
So, um, what's new pussycat?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
whoa.
Do you know that song?
Do I know that song?
Who's saying it?
It was in the jukebox all thetime who, who sang?
It.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Elvis Presley, tom Jones Okay, here we go, and a
boogie-woogie bugle boy too, ohI can sing that.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
No, you cannot.
No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, I can.
I know all the words Kind ofKind of, kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Just don't know any of the tones and then it's like
going into a tunnel.
So, um, what's our topic today?
Well, since you started to uhdecide that you were going to be
a world famous singer, let'stalk about the time that
everybody decided that they weregoing to be famous online
because we were stuck in ourhouses, oh yeah we are going to
(01:45):
talk about 2019, the end of 2019, the covid pandemic begins ouch
.
Yes, yeah, not a good time forus, that's for sure not at all,
and so for our listeners, I'msure everybody remembers If
(02:05):
you're old enough to belistening to us, I hope you
remember so the COVID-19pandemic, also known as
coronavirus and COVID.
So it's caused by severe acuterespiratory syndrome,
coronavirus 2.
Now begin with an outbreak ofCOVID-19 in Wuhan, china, in
December of 2019.
Liar, put your political shitaway, all right.
(02:29):
So soon after it did spread toother areas of asia and then
worldwide in early 2020, oh mygoodness.
So let's talk about this.
Let's let's talk about a bunchof different aspects of this,
from the, the shutdowns, to the,the vaccines, the, the just all
out, just panic that everybodywent through.
(02:52):
But.
But let's talk about it fromour point of view, because you
know we really can't do anythingexcept say what we saw on tv,
and you know most of that'sbullshit well, and there's
nothing we can do about the baddecision making that took place
over that time period and whattranspired.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
All we can do is say you know what were we doing and
how did we handle it and how didit affect us.
So I mean, obviously you knowthe vaccines and the actions
that were taken to control thevirus were kind of crucial roles
in avoiding the spread of thevirus and reducing any type of
(03:29):
severe illnesses as much as itcould.
But you know, it's unfortunatebecause we just had so much
misinformation out there that itwas difficult for everybody.
I personally was never anadvocate for the shots For the
vaccines.
Yeah, I was never an advocatefor the shots for the vaccines
yeah, I was never an advocatefor that.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I was kind of on the fence because my deep down
intuition was like this is toonew.
Yeah, these virus, you know,these vaccines have not been
tested, they haven't had thelong-term tests like other
vaccines have had, andeverybody's panicking so, and
there was so much blame goingaround for every everything.
(04:10):
Yeah, and it's.
I guess.
I just didn't understand thatpart.
You know, everybody wanted tomake it political, personal
revenge, hateful thing, and it'slike look, people are dying,
we're getting sick, let's, canwe just stop for a minute?
And unfortunately, thegovernments did make us stop for
a minute because they put usunder lockdown.
On march 26 2020, 1.7 billionpeople worldwide were under some
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form of lockdown.
Yeah, it increased to 3.9billion people in the first week
of april.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
That's more than half the world's population yeah,
and and so what happened wasobviously there were decisions
made that you know you couldn'tgo out of your house, you
couldn't go to work.
Only essential workers, Onlyessential workers and what's an
essential worker, right, rightCan.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I tell you what A gas station worker is an essential
worker apparently.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Hey, my mailman's an essential worker and I need a
check.
Exactly, so everybody to me,and, and we worked through the
whole thing I worked in theenergy business and we worked a
lot of hours during that timeperiod.
We didn't have any choice.
Now, right, what we wererequired to do was we had to
separate ourselves from eachother, so that was really
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difficult when you're trying towork with crews and get jobs
done.
Well, yeah, because noteverything can be done over a
radio and it can't be done byone person.
A lot of times it has to bedone by multiple people in
working in small spaces, and Ithink the worst part for me was
probably the fact that I didn'tmind going to work every day.
(05:43):
That was fine by me, I didn'thave anything else to do but it
was really the fact that peoplewere kept from their loved ones.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
That was the tough one.
I guess we won't necessarilytalk about whether we think it
was right or wrong, because,again, there were a lot of bad
decisions made, but there was alot of bad information given out
to us too.
And had we had good informationand everybody wasn't worried
about blaming each other, maybethings would have turned out
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differently.
But I will say this, and Ididn't have any relatives that
were in a home dying during thattime period.
But I will tell you this Iwould have gone to see them and
I would have pulled them out ofthose nursing homes because if
they're dying anyway, come onover to my house and you can die
here with your family.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So let me ask you did you have your traveling papers?
I did.
You were issued your travelingpapers.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I was and that kind of shook me where you were
issued your traveling papers.
I was that kind of shook me.
Yeah, the reason I hadeverything was because my
company required it.
Right, I was still working atthe time and mine did too, yeah,
and so my company was adamantthat you absolutely had to have
your shots and you had to carryyour papers and all that bold
(07:03):
stuff, and I mean they wereliterally papers that say I am
an essential worker, I amallowed to be in public or
driving.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
That shook me.
I'm going to tell you what youknow as a history buff and you
know somebody who actuallyenjoys nerding out over things.
Reading those papers, that kindof shook me because it was like
, first of all, they didn't haveto word them like that, right
okay, and second of all, I wasjust waiting for the patches on
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our coats that we would have towear, saying that we were
vaccinated, so we were allowedto walk to the store well, you
had to carry papers, right, youhad to carry your vaccinations
and, um, let's face it, therewas a lot of hate.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I mean mean just so much hate between people, I know
even my friends.
Oh, it tore people apart.
It tore friendships of 30 yearsapart.
Yeah, I mean, we had friendswho said, hey, listen, you can
come over and we'll do thisoutside, but don't come over if
you didn't have your shots.
Okay, that's cool, you can makethat decision, it's your house.
(08:06):
But then other people would getmad that you didn't even get
the shot and it's like you know,again, I can't talk about this
and not give my opinion.
You know, I think it's yourbusiness whether you get the
shot or whether you don't.
Now, if you're sick, stay home,and I don't care what you got.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, exactly whether you don't now, if you're sick,
stay home and I don't care whatyou got yeah, exactly, that's
the whole.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Exactly, and, let's face it, what we actually learn
out of this whole thing to washyour hands and stay six feet
away from people.
Thank you, scientists, for that.
Other than that, nobody learnedanything.
True, wash your hands that is,on a regular basis, and stay six
feet away well, you don't needto be in anybody's space anyway
no, yeah, six feet is mandatoryI would prefer 12.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, and over there.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, get away from me and because you got that, you
got that anger issue going on Ijust don't like, I don't like
strangers, stranger danger well,I don't like people getting
into my space either, but youknow, if you think about it,
that is all we were taught outof the entire thing.
What else did you learn nothing?
Well, yeah, that is all we weretaught out of the entire thing.
What else did you learn Nothing?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, yeah, that is true.
And let's talk about ourexperiences with the vaccine,
since we touched on that.
So we both had the vaccine wedid.
I took the vaccine because Iwas poor and my company said you
get a bonus paycheck if youcome and get the vaccine from
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our company and we will continueto allow you to work in our
stores.
What a crock of crap.
If we didn't get it, we werenot allowed to work anymore and
we wouldn't get that bonus.
So I mean, it was kind of itwas almost like we all know that
the people working in those inthe stores that I used to work
at, I mean they, they wereworking for bottom dollar, they
were on paycheck to paycheck.
(09:49):
Yeah, they couldn't afford totake off work, they couldn't
afford to not get that bonus.
So I think a lot of it was veryum I think people were trapped.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I think people were trapped in what their decisions
were going to be.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
They were and I went and got it because I was one of
those people in that situationand I got the shot that my
company offered, which was thejohnson and johnson vaccine,
because it was one shot and itwas done.
Not even a month after that Ifind out that my vaccine has
been recalled.
Uh, for things that I'mactually at risk for, yeah, yeah
(10:23):
, and it it's just part of themisinformation that was thrown
out there, because they knewabout it beforehand and they
said, no, no, it's fine, it'sfine.
You know, if one in 20 peopledies from a blood clot, so be it
.
You know we got 19 more, butyou know that was my experience
with it.
My children, my older threechildren, did get the shot.
They got the two series shot.
(10:44):
They did that because theschools were starting to require
it.
Okay, and if I didn't get theshot for my kids and I didn't
send them to school, I would endup in truancy court, okay, so
it was another catch-22.
Yeah, you were required to itwas required for sports,
anything that they decided tohold at that point.
If you were not vaccinated, youwere not welcome.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, but they weren't even having sports right
, Unless you were outside andyou weren't touching anybody,
they were yeah, I mean they werehaving very limited gatherings.
And when the schools shut down,of course there was no school,
but when they did start to openup there was not that option
given for a lot of families andI just want to stop right here
and say listen, we're notdoctors, we're not scientists,
(11:30):
we're not politicians, we'rereally nobodies that know
nothing, and we just like toshare our nothingness with
everyone, because really, theseare our experiences and how we
feel about them.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
And what we went through and what we went through
.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
yeah, and I'm not sure that Bobby agrees with what
I say.
I don't even know that we everreally talked about it.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
We touched on it a few times, but I had some
differing, because you do havethe germ issue and things like
that.
So you are more of uh, I don'tknow an activist when it comes
to you know what.
Basically, what we had to dofor covid the masks, the, the,
you know, cleaning hands, gloves, staying away from people, yeah
(12:17):
, things like that.
But I also know that you werenot an advocate of these
companies shutting down andputting these people out of work
?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I was not.
Not, not by any stretch.
Every closed door, whether itwas during COVID or after COVID,
every closed door represented afamily Right, and every family
was suffering from what wasgoing on.
And the decision makers are ourgovernment, who.
You know how I feel about themanyway.
(12:44):
Yeah, worst decision makersthere are and, as it turns out,
even our medical uh,professionals were the worst
decision makers too.
But you know, the fact is, is it?
It was a pandemic.
We were going to lose people.
Um, it's not going to be thelast pandemic we have in my
lifetime, nor yours, no, and soI think people need to just
(13:07):
understand.
Listen, you have to make gooddecisions now.
So the pandemic, for the mostpart, is getting little
attention, and once in a while,you'll talk about a new strain
or whatever, and somebody willbring it up, but right now, it's
getting little to no attentionmedia-wise, because it's not a
political game right now, andall I can say is, again, this
(13:32):
isn't going to be the last one.
Take the steps you need to takeright now.
Quit waiting for the governmentor some bonehead to tell you to
wash your hands or stay sixfeet away from somebody.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Quit telling them to put duct tape over your vents to
prevent the air from gettinginside.
Oh my, gosh.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So I got the shot initially because my company
required us to, because mycompany required us to, and so
then I got.
I will tell you, the planeswere still flying during that
time period and people said youneed to stay home.
Yeah, and I was wearing mystupid ass mask.
I have a mother and just in thestupidest situations and people
(14:15):
would, but it's panic.
It's panic because you don'tunderstand and because you're
not getting the rightinformation.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And how many times I mean just me and you.
Our experience is how manytimes did you get covid?
I got it three times.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I got it three times yeah, and and it was bad.
I mean, it was bad, my, mysecond one was really bad.
Yeah, and one of the thingsthat I had told you kids
initially.
Uh, just from readingeverything, because covid isn't
new no, covid 19 is new, butit's the strain, it's the strain
right, and one of the things Isaid to you is if I get it so
(14:50):
bad that I have to go in thehospital, do not let them put me
on a ventilator right they canput me on oxygen, but do not put
me on a ventilator.
For the love of god, do not letthem do that.
And I also said when, if youget it, sleep setting up, yep,
and that's what we did.
And I found on your back and Isaid you know, even though
you're not going to feel likegetting up and walking around, I
(15:12):
need you to get up and walkaround.
Yeah, and so we did that and,to be honest, I think that's
probably what kind of saved us,because I had it really bad the
second time.
Yeah, and I'm old and I've gotyou know.
I mean, I was at risk, yeah,and I have autoimmune disorders.
I did just fine.
Now, it may have been because Iwas in good shape and I was
(15:34):
strong and whatever else, butyou guys did too.
And we kind of followed aregime.
We were like, okay, if thishappens to you, make sure that
there's, you know you do this,make sure you do this, make sure
you do this.
And we weren't really dependingon somebody else.
We were kind of walking throughit and saying, well, it makes
sense to us.
I did end up getting thebooster.
That was because I wastraveling at that time and
(15:58):
people would go oh my god,you're traveling and I'd go.
Yeah, and that's the best timeto be traveling, because there
wasn't but three people in theairport every time I flew and
there couldn't have been morethan three people on a plane.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, it was like this is the best I would have
went had I been able to and theyhanded you these little wet
wipes which I love of course andI had my little spray with me
and it was like this is the besttime to be traveling.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I was traveling all over hell and back during that
time period because I thought Idon't have to have some bonehead
breathing all over me rightcoughing on me.
I got nothing.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
It swelled itself out it was great and a lot of, but
a lot of people did panic and Imean rightfully so with the
information they were given.
Now let's talk about.
I don't know if you know whatled to this, but do you remember
the first, when it firststarted happening, the toilet
paper panic?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
oh my goodness do you know how?
That started because I knowexactly how?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
do you know how and why it started?
Let's go with it all, right, Idon't know.
So stupid americans arewatching overseas news and see
that australia is under ashortage of paper products like
toilet paper.
Now, somewhere in our two braincells that we share as
(17:23):
americans, we rubbed themtogether and said, oh my god,
they're running out of toiletpaper.
We need 53 packs of toiletpaper for the two of us, just to
make sure we can wipe our assesthrough this.
What they didn't realize, weran out of toilet paper.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
During that time period, I had to scoot across
the lawn.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Oh, just go to the gas station and steal some, it's
fine.
But you know, and, and we seethis and we're like, oh my god,
this you know.
Toilet paper is like the newgold.
What we, as americans, didn'trealize is that australia is a
huge import country.
They get 99% of their paperproducts from China.
(18:02):
The reason they were having apaper shortage is because they
had shut down trade to Chinabecause of the virus had nothing
to do with their factories oranything.
We make toilet paper in theUnited States folks, I mean read
the package.
Okay, we didn't have that issueuntil the americans go oh my god
(18:23):
, I gotta wipe my butt for thenext five years and they go out
and they panic by this stuff,not realizing we can make more.
Just buy what you're gonnaregularly use and there's not
gonna be this issue now inaustralia yeah, it was a shit
show, man, I feel for them,because they had to fight for
every inch over there.
But here we have our ownfactories and a lot of this
(18:44):
panic buying.
That's what happened.
We have our own factories,we're making our own stuff.
These idiots out here thinkwe're importing everything.
No, right, yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And again it really kind of gets back to so much
misinformation and who you werelistening to and you know I
really when I'm researchingstuff I like to look at the
actual reports.
I don't listen to local news, Idon't listen to the national
news.
I don't really pay anyattention to that.
If somebody is saying, oh,so-and-so said this, I want to
(19:19):
see what was said on the Senatefloor.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I want to see what the actual research.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I don't trust the Senate floor.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Well, I want to know what the research actually said,
and usually you can get some ofthat information Right.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
you can get research papers directly from them.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And so you know, the more you read it was like what
the hell?
Yeah, where are these peoplegetting this information to?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
pass around type of thing yeah so what'd?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
you say dr domain.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I didn't say anything you said get a bidet, oh, get a
bidet, yeah, oh those wereskyrocketing and and people
buying them now people don'twant to go back, so I know so
Speaker 1 (19:54):
there's nothing better so yeah, we had one at
the Georgia house, the previousGeorgia house.
I had two of them.
Had two of them, yeah, and Iwas like oh, this is like old
people stuff right here, youknow.
Oh, no they are nice.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
After I gave birth they have them in the hospital,
in the bathrooms usually, andI'm just like I'm in heaven.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Nice this is the best thing that's ever happened to
me, yeah I think the first, thefirst indicator I got that we
were being scammed on this wholething was when I was looking at
the data that was coming out ofjohn hopkins, which you would
expect to be a reputable sourceof right, you would think um, I
started noticing a trend afterprobably a couple months, where
(20:36):
they would track statistics offatalities yes, not even knowing
definitively if it was due tothe coronavirus.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
But they took a swing at it and they provided this
data Every Sunday.
No one died.
It was crazy that was theLord's Day.
That was the day of rest.
Yeah, so you know, I think thisis going to go down in history
as one of the biggest scams.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
We got bamboozled.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
But you know, I want to say, because I think it was
the largest example ofgovernment overreach,
infringement of our rights, Ithink it was a test.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I really do.
I think it was a test on how wewould react.
I think it was blown out ofproportion.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
This was not the big pandemic.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
There were much larger pandemics out there, that
will be coming.
Yes, well, there was the BlackDeath yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
We still have the plague.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
The Spanish Flu killed more people and there
were even less people on theplanet at that time, and AIDS
has on the planet at that timeand and um, aids has killed more
people, you know.
So this is not.
This is not all.
Uh, that they, that theytrumped it up to be to me it was
.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It was nothing but a political battle.
That was all it was.
I'm gonna blame you.
You discovered this.
Oh, it happened under yourwatch.
Oh my gosh, you've gotmisinformation coming out.
Oh oh, who did this?
Who did that?
Which side did they belong to?
And it really just gets to apoint where you know, are you
(22:05):
really interested in the peopleor are you just wearing that
banner that you're raising realhigh?
You know, because you reallyneed to be worried about
Americans, as opposed to whatparty you are, and quit being a
pawn to that particularpolitical party.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, I'm not saying that there weren't consequences
to this.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I think we waited too long to fully disclose the
origins of it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
It looks.
You know from what I've readand what I've heard, it
originated in Wuhan, in some wetmarket, probably someone
licking a bat or whatever thehell they were doing.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Pretty much.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Putting one in their butt.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Honestly, I think it was a test.
I think it was anotherexperiment.
Yeah, just to see what wouldhappen if it really was bigger
than this, because they got alot of data from us.
Yep, they realized how freakingstupid we are.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
But the most disturbing thing that I've heard
so far in y'all's conversationis the fact that, bobby, you got
bribed.
Yes, you did.
You got bribed, yes, you did.
You got bribed I did, and thatto survive, just to survive yeah
, because they're dangling a jobover your, over your head, and
a bonus.
You gotta have the money.
And where does it stop?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
yeah, you know, that's why I think it was a test
, it was another experiment.
It was a basically a worldwidetuskegee experiment and they got
a lot of data from us.
They got a lot from us as humanbeings, not only in america,
across the world on what's goingto happen, how are they going
to handle it, what if they dothis?
How easily can we convincethese people right of what we
(23:42):
say when they are in?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
panic mode.
Right, exactly, and I I totallyagree with that.
And the other thing is isthey're still collecting data,
but it's not stuff that they'resharing with us, that's the
whole thing is if you think theeight o'clock news or ten
o'clock news is sharing data,they're just trying to get
ratings.
They're not.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
They don't give a rat's ass yeah, I don't mean to
sound like a conspiracy theorist, because no, bring it.
We are your job, that's my job,that's right I don't want to
put it out of work, but, um,yeah, I think that's true.
There's a certain amount ofinformation that we're not
getting, yeah, a lot ofmisinformation, and I think, I
do believe, there's probably agroup out there and it's albeit
(24:24):
small that is trying to get theinformation to us.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, but it's coming from different channels.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
We in the past expected it to come from
mainstream media, because theywere the source.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right, the big three-letter type of source, the
trusted source, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
But now we're finding that they're losing their
credibility.
And now people are grasping forreal news and trying to find
out well, what, what actuallydid happen?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
and a lot of it is social media too, because we're
we're allowed to go live garbageand show what's going on where
we are.
When you know the news has thecamera pointed the other way
right, right, and there was justso much hate on social media oh
yeah, there was hate everywhere.
Did you get a?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
shot.
No, you didn't get a shot.
Oh my God, you should be put todeath.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You're a child abuser if you don't get your kids
these shots.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It was just crazy how much hate was going on.
It's like wait a second.
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Any other time you say my body and now, all of a
sudden, it's not right, it's notmy decision anymore, right?
I think it was proof to showhow weak and spineless the
american population is.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I don't think it's just.
I don't want to say that.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I don't want to say that about my own country, but I
think there's some truth to itmore countries than america yeah
I'm just looking at it from ourperspective, but through the
lens of being american, lookingat fellow americans.
It was like we just kind ofbent over and took it so it's
like it's the movie of bugs life.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So it's a kid's movie , but it's, you know, thousands
of ants versus a handful ofgrasshoppers.
And these grasshoppersoverpower these ants and make
them believe what they want,right, make them serve them
until they literally, you know,die of exhaustion, until the
ants realize, hey, there's a lotmore of us than there is of
them, but that's what's going onin our government right now.
(26:12):
It has been yeah this was one ofthe biggest, I think, shows of
this system that people did notpay attention to, because they
whipped them up in a panic sobad and they were.
People were in panic mode, theywere in survival mode, and some
of them still are.
Oh, absolutely.
And so, speaking of media,though, is there a media source
(26:33):
that you trust above the others?
Specifically, no.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
There isn't right now , not for me there isn't Okay.
I think that whoever you'relistening to can sway you.
It has one way of swaying thananother.
I kind of just take it in and Igo does that sound right?
Let me look at that.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
See I'm weird.
So I get American news from AlJazeera TV and BBC.
Basically I do listen to BBC.
When it comes to American newsthey don't really have a huge
you know dog in this fight.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, they don't have a biggest reason to lie.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah and so yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Al jazeera tv was my go-to for a lot of what was
going on so what was, what wassome of the, what were some of
the detriments during thatpandemic I talked about about,
you know, we had the nursinghomes where they wouldn't even
let you in to see your thehospitals, the hospitals.
Nursing homes Also funerals.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
They wouldn't even let you get together for
funerals.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I was like are you on crack?
Nope Funerals.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Births.
Okay, what the father can't?
The woman has to give birthalone.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
And to give birth alone and it's like what in the
hell is going on?
How traumatic is that?
How traumatic is that?
It's terrible.
And then, but you know we hadand and don't get me wrong I do
have some feelings for peoplewho said, oh, my kid didn't get
to go graduate, walk across thestage or that's tough though
that is, that's a pivotal pointin a child's growth and
development.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
It is, you know, we did.
We had a lot of kids that wentinto either college or high
school, or even middle school orthe military, any of it.
And for four or five years theycouldn't see other people.
They had to do everything online, they had to isolate, they had
to stay away from other people,and they were raised in this
(28:23):
environment of social isolation.
Yeah, how do you expect someonewho is learning to be an adult
to spend four years in socialisolation and then come out,
okay, I don't think we did agood job of handling that
psychologically, by any stretchthere wasn't, there was no
psychological handling of it,because I don't think they gave
(28:44):
a shit.
No, I mean, we're dealing withthe aftermath, because we have
to deal with it, but there wasno, there was nothing put in
place to try to, you know, avertthese medical issues, these
psychological issues that weregoing to come up.
And because we knew about it.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
We knew about it from other things that had happened
and I will say that you know,obviously I'm not the sensitive
type.
So when it comes to a lot ofthe things that did happen, I
kind of have that buck-upattitude.
That's why I'm undiagnosed.
Yeah, but I kind of have thatbuck-up attitude.
You know, when somebody says,oh, my kid didn't go here or
(29:21):
whatever, you know I'm kind of abuck up.
You know, back in the day, youknow, look how many kids
graduated and walked across thestage to get to Vietnam.
You know that's where they wentfor their senior trip.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, but it wasn't fair for them either.
No, it was apples and oranges,absolutely.
Absolutely, but I'm just sayingthat you know when I think
about, yeah, when I think about.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You know what was hurtful, I think, the number of
closed doors, the number of momand pop stores that went under.
They sure as hell didn't closedown Wells Fargo.
They didn't close down any ofthe big corporations.
Black Rock was still going,vanguard was still going.
All of these people were stillhaving board meetings, they were
all running their shows, butall these mom and pop places had
(30:07):
to shut down.
Every door was a family andthat's what you did to the
American people, not just theAmerican people, a lot of people
.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, yeah, because it was a trickle-down effect.
You have not only the owners ofthe store, you have the
distributors.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Now they have to put out half of their workforce and
to think that somebody canrecover from that.
And then you look around andyou go oh, all those buildings
are empty and they have beensince COVID.
Or somebody lost their house,or these people lost their house
.
Yeah, all these houses inforeclosure and these families
are homeless now and a lot ofthese families still just have
never recovered financially,never, never recovered
(30:45):
financially.
Know, you look and you say whodid that?
To us, the government did?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
yeah, they did.
They forced us, they didn'tgive us a choice as the people.
They forced us into this cornerand it was I mean, it was a
survival mode.
It was, you know, do or die outthere for a lot of people,
because I know a lot of peoplethat lost everything.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
And the ridiculousness of the stuff.
Oh, if you wear two masks, ohGod.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I couldn't even breathe in one.
You're talking to a fat girl.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It would be better if you wore two masks or if you
wear a face shield.
I remember going to a gasstation.
I was pumping my gas and whenyou're outside, what the hell?
Yeah, and I wasn't wearing amask, and I wouldn't, you know I
I was, I was complying with Iwant to breathe with.
You know everybody'srequirements.
Do you need to wear a mask?
Okay, I'll play the game.
(31:39):
I'll do that.
But I was outside pumping mygas and this other lady was
behind me and she was pumpingher gas and she goes where's
your mask?
I'd have been like bend overand I looked at her and I go
what she goes, where's your mask?
You're supposed to be wearing amask.
I go doesn't yours work?
You know you're wearing that toprotect you.
(32:00):
I don't need you to protect me.
And the things that irritated meabout the masks were one people
driving alone in their ownvehicle, with the windows up,
with the mask on oh for the loveof God or outside walking.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Look people, for the love of God.
And two, the ones that wouldwear the mask below their nose
that only covered their mouth.
I'm like, do you know howbreathing works?
Like, did you take an anatomyclass in high school?
Did they cut this out?
And it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So we have pictures of our family.
I believe it was Easter when weillegally gathered?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Well, we didn't, though.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Because we all wore masks and we were at the house,
but we were illegally gathered.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
We were, because it was more than six people we had
pictures of us all separated up,you know, out in the yard.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
What.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
What Huh?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
What do you mean illegal?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
You couldn't gather more than six people at a time
in a gathering and they had tobe outside and they had to stay
six feet apart and we wereoutside.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
We were outside.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
We had masks on all that crap stupidest yeah, notice
the difference.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Oh, go ahead, finish.
No, go ahead, no, I noticed.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I noticed the difference like, um, like the
state of georgia was handled itquite differently than like
california and some of the otherstates, because there were some
differences there, like schoolreconvened much quicker oh, yeah
, yeah yeah, the whole massthing that just kind of got
brushed aside.
For the most part we hadsomeone visit from, I think it
(33:31):
was California or something likethat, and they're like, why
come?
No one's wearing a mask?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Well, because, we don't buy into that.
We're living our lives we'reliving our lives.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
We're born free.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
That damn pandemic can't handle us down here.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
And it, that damn pandemic, can't handle us down
here, we'll run that out of town, we'll get down to county.
And again, we're not doctorsand we're not trying to start
any arguments here.
We're just really talking abouthow it affected us and we're
not scientists.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
But we had to live through it too Right, and we
have a heap of understanding andjust everything for the people
who did lose loved ones becauseit was an absolutely horrific
thing, absolutely to not onlyhave someone who you are losing
to the virus, but you can't evengo tell them goodbye, right,
(34:23):
and we, how horrible we.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
We lost good friends.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
We did.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
There's no doubt about it and it's a sad
situation and you know again,there, about the grace of God,
go you and I, because it couldhave been, us Could have been.
It wasn't and we're thankfulfor that.
But you know again, get readyfor the next one, folks.
Yeah, because the governmentneeds another subject.
They need more information.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
They need more info that they will never tell us.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
It's a bogus thing, so get ready for it, and just
you know do your Wash, your damnhands.
Wash your hands and stay out ofpeople's space.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Quit blowing your nose in public and get a bidet,
and get a bidet, and get a bidet.
Invest in a bidet, yeah so whatdo you think, bobby?
I think that that is all theinsanity, uh, that we have for
today.
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My name is Jane and my co-hostis my daughter, bobby, and for
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the next several minutes we arehere to entertain you.
How, how are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
bobby, I'm doing good today.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's uh raining but it's getting nicer yeah, and we
needed the rain too, that's forsure people, we really needed
this rain for the crops and foractually for my garden.
Thank you very much, okay well,those are crops you know the
same flowers and stuff like that.
So, um, what's new pussycat?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
whoa.
Do you know that song?
Do I know that song?
Who's saying it?
It was in the jukebox all thetime who, who sang?
It.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Elvis Presley, tom Jones Okay, here we go, and a
boogie-woogie bugle boy too, ohI can sing that.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
No, you cannot.
No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, I can.
I know all the words Kind ofKind of, kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Just don't know any of the tones and then it's like
going into a tunnel.
So, um, what's our topic today?
Well, since you started to uhdecide that you were going to be
a world famous singer, let'stalk about the time that
everybody decided that they weregoing to be famous online
because we were stuck in ourhouses, oh yeah we are going to
(01:45):
talk about 2019, the end of 2019, the covid pandemic begins ouch
.
Yes, yeah, not a good time forus, that's for sure not at all,
and so for our listeners, I'msure everybody remembers If
(02:05):
you're old enough to belistening to us, I hope you
remember so the COVID-19pandemic, also known as
coronavirus and COVID.
So it's caused by severe acuterespiratory syndrome,
coronavirus 2.
Now begin with an outbreak ofCOVID-19 in Wuhan, china, in
December of 2019.
Liar, put your political shitaway, all right.
(02:29):
So soon after it did spread toother areas of asia and then
worldwide in early 2020, oh mygoodness.
So let's talk about this.
Let's let's talk about a bunchof different aspects of this,
from the, the shutdowns, to the,the vaccines, the, the just all
out, just panic that everybodywent through.
(02:52):
But.
But let's talk about it fromour point of view, because you
know we really can't do anythingexcept say what we saw on tv,
and you know most of that'sbullshit well, and there's
nothing we can do about the baddecision making that took place
over that time period and whattranspired.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
All we can do is say you know what were we doing and
how did we handle it and how didit affect us.
So I mean, obviously you knowthe vaccines and the actions
that were taken to control thevirus were kind of crucial roles
in avoiding the spread of thevirus and reducing any type of
(03:29):
severe illnesses as much as itcould.
But you know, it's unfortunatebecause we just had so much
misinformation out there that itwas difficult for everybody.
I personally was never anadvocate for the shots For the
vaccines.
Yeah, I was never an advocatefor the shots for the vaccines
yeah, I was never an advocatefor that.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I was kind of on the fence because my deep down
intuition was like this is toonew.
Yeah, these virus, you know,these vaccines have not been
tested, they haven't had thelong-term tests like other
vaccines have had, andeverybody's panicking so, and
there was so much blame goingaround for every everything.
(04:10):
Yeah, and it's.
I guess.
I just didn't understand thatpart.
You know, everybody wanted tomake it political, personal
revenge, hateful thing, and it'slike look, people are dying,
we're getting sick, let's, canwe just stop for a minute?
And unfortunately, thegovernments did make us stop for
a minute because they put usunder lockdown.
On march 26 2020, 1.7 billionpeople worldwide were under some
(04:34):
form of lockdown.
Yeah, it increased to 3.9billion people in the first week
of april.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
That's more than half the world's population yeah,
and and so what happened wasobviously there were decisions
made that you know you couldn'tgo out of your house, you
couldn't go to work.
Only essential workers, Onlyessential workers and what's an
essential worker, right, rightCan.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I tell you what A gas station worker is an essential
worker apparently.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Hey, my mailman's an essential worker and I need a
check.
Exactly, so everybody to me,and, and we worked through the
whole thing I worked in theenergy business and we worked a
lot of hours during that timeperiod.
We didn't have any choice.
Now, right, what we wererequired to do was we had to
separate ourselves from eachother, so that was really
(05:21):
difficult when you're trying towork with crews and get jobs
done.
Well, yeah, because noteverything can be done over a
radio and it can't be done byone person.
A lot of times it has to bedone by multiple people in
working in small spaces, and Ithink the worst part for me was
probably the fact that I didn'tmind going to work every day.
(05:43):
That was fine by me, I didn'thave anything else to do but it
was really the fact that peoplewere kept from their loved ones.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
That was the tough one.
I guess we won't necessarilytalk about whether we think it
was right or wrong, because,again, there were a lot of bad
decisions made, but there was alot of bad information given out
to us too.
And had we had good informationand everybody wasn't worried
about blaming each other, maybethings would have turned out
(06:16):
differently.
But I will say this, and Ididn't have any relatives that
were in a home dying during thattime period.
But I will tell you this Iwould have gone to see them and
I would have pulled them out ofthose nursing homes because if
they're dying anyway, come onover to my house and you can die
here with your family.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So let me ask you did you have your traveling papers?
I did.
You were issued your travelingpapers.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I was and that kind of shook me where you were
issued your traveling papers.
I was that kind of shook me.
Yeah, the reason I hadeverything was because my
company required it.
Right, I was still working atthe time and mine did too, yeah,
and so my company was adamantthat you absolutely had to have
your shots and you had to carryyour papers and all that bold
(07:03):
stuff, and I mean they wereliterally papers that say I am
an essential worker, I amallowed to be in public or
driving.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
That shook me.
I'm going to tell you what youknow as a history buff and you
know somebody who actuallyenjoys nerding out over things.
Reading those papers, that kindof shook me because it was like
, first of all, they didn't haveto word them like that, right
okay, and second of all, I wasjust waiting for the patches on
(07:31):
our coats that we would have towear, saying that we were
vaccinated, so we were allowedto walk to the store well, you
had to carry papers, right, youhad to carry your vaccinations
and, um, let's face it, therewas a lot of hate.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I mean mean just so much hate between people, I know
even my friends.
Oh, it tore people apart.
It tore friendships of 30 yearsapart.
Yeah, I mean, we had friendswho said, hey, listen, you can
come over and we'll do thisoutside, but don't come over if
you didn't have your shots.
Okay, that's cool, you can makethat decision, it's your house.
(08:06):
But then other people would getmad that you didn't even get
the shot and it's like you know,again, I can't talk about this
and not give my opinion.
You know, I think it's yourbusiness whether you get the
shot or whether you don't.
Now, if you're sick, stay home,and I don't care what you got.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, exactly whether you don't now, if you're sick,
stay home and I don't care whatyou got yeah, exactly, that's
the whole.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Exactly, and, let's face it, what we actually learn
out of this whole thing to washyour hands and stay six feet
away from people.
Thank you, scientists, for that.
Other than that, nobody learnedanything.
True, wash your hands that is,on a regular basis, and stay six
feet away well, you don't needto be in anybody's space anyway
no, yeah, six feet is mandatoryI would prefer 12.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, and over there.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, get away from me and because you got that, you
got that anger issue going on Ijust don't like, I don't like
strangers, stranger danger well,I don't like people getting
into my space either, but youknow, if you think about it,
that is all we were taught outof the entire thing.
What else did you learn nothing?
Well, yeah, that is all we weretaught out of the entire thing.
What else did you learn Nothing?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, yeah, that is true.
And let's talk about ourexperiences with the vaccine,
since we touched on that.
So we both had the vaccine wedid.
I took the vaccine because Iwas poor and my company said you
get a bonus paycheck if youcome and get the vaccine from
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our company and we will continueto allow you to work in our
stores.
What a crock of crap.
If we didn't get it, we werenot allowed to work anymore and
we wouldn't get that bonus.
So I mean, it was kind of itwas almost like we all know that
the people working in those inthe stores that I used to work
at, I mean they, they wereworking for bottom dollar, they
were on paycheck to paycheck.
(09:49):
Yeah, they couldn't afford totake off work, they couldn't
afford to not get that bonus.
So I think a lot of it was veryum I think people were trapped.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I think people were trapped in what their decisions
were going to be.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
They were and I went and got it because I was one of
those people in that situationand I got the shot that my
company offered, which was thejohnson and johnson vaccine,
because it was one shot and itwas done.
Not even a month after that Ifind out that my vaccine has
been recalled.
Uh, for things that I'mactually at risk for, yeah, yeah
(10:23):
, and it it's just part of themisinformation that was thrown
out there, because they knewabout it beforehand and they
said, no, no, it's fine, it'sfine.
You know, if one in 20 peopledies from a blood clot, so be it
.
You know we got 19 more, butyou know that was my experience
with it.
My children, my older threechildren, did get the shot.
They got the two series shot.
(10:44):
They did that because theschools were starting to require
it.
Okay, and if I didn't get theshot for my kids and I didn't
send them to school, I would endup in truancy court, okay, so
it was another catch-22.
Yeah, you were required to itwas required for sports,
anything that they decided tohold at that point.
If you were not vaccinated, youwere not welcome.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, but they weren't even having sports right
, Unless you were outside andyou weren't touching anybody,
they were yeah, I mean they werehaving very limited gatherings.
And when the schools shut down,of course there was no school,
but when they did start to openup there was not that option
given for a lot of families andI just want to stop right here
and say listen, we're notdoctors, we're not scientists,
(11:30):
we're not politicians, we'rereally nobodies that know
nothing, and we just like toshare our nothingness with
everyone, because really, theseare our experiences and how we
feel about them.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
And what we went through and what we went through
.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
yeah, and I'm not sure that Bobby agrees with what
I say.
I don't even know that we everreally talked about it.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
We touched on it a few times, but I had some
differing, because you do havethe germ issue and things like
that.
So you are more of uh, I don'tknow an activist when it comes
to you know what.
Basically, what we had to dofor covid the masks, the, the,
you know, cleaning hands, gloves, staying away from people, yeah
(12:17):
, things like that.
But I also know that you werenot an advocate of these
companies shutting down andputting these people out of work
?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I was not.
Not, not by any stretch.
Every closed door, whether itwas during COVID or after COVID,
every closed door represented afamily Right, and every family
was suffering from what wasgoing on.
And the decision makers are ourgovernment, who.
You know how I feel about themanyway.
(12:44):
Yeah, worst decision makersthere are and, as it turns out,
even our medical uh,professionals were the worst
decision makers too.
But you know, the fact is, is it?
It was a pandemic.
We were going to lose people.
Um, it's not going to be thelast pandemic we have in my
lifetime, nor yours, no, and soI think people need to just
(13:07):
understand.
Listen, you have to make gooddecisions now.
So the pandemic, for the mostpart, is getting little
attention, and once in a while,you'll talk about a new strain
or whatever, and somebody willbring it up, but right now, it's
getting little to no attentionmedia-wise, because it's not a
political game right now, andall I can say is, again, this
(13:32):
isn't going to be the last one.
Take the steps you need to takeright now.
Quit waiting for the governmentor some bonehead to tell you to
wash your hands or stay sixfeet away from somebody.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Quit telling them to put duct tape over your vents to
prevent the air from gettinginside.
Oh my, gosh.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So I got the shot initially because my company
required us to, because mycompany required us to, and so
then I got.
I will tell you, the planeswere still flying during that
time period and people said youneed to stay home.
Yeah, and I was wearing mystupid ass mask.
I have a mother and just in thestupidest situations and people
(14:15):
would, but it's panic.
It's panic because you don'tunderstand and because you're
not getting the rightinformation.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And how many times I mean just me and you.
Our experience is how manytimes did you get covid?
I got it three times.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I got it three times yeah, and and it was bad.
I mean, it was bad, my, mysecond one was really bad.
Yeah, and one of the thingsthat I had told you kids
initially.
Uh, just from readingeverything, because covid isn't
new no, covid 19 is new, butit's the strain, it's the strain
right, and one of the things Isaid to you is if I get it so
(14:50):
bad that I have to go in thehospital, do not let them put me
on a ventilator right they canput me on oxygen, but do not put
me on a ventilator.
For the love of god, do not letthem do that.
And I also said when, if youget it, sleep setting up, yep,
and that's what we did.
And I found on your back and Isaid you know, even though
you're not going to feel likegetting up and walking around, I
(15:12):
need you to get up and walkaround.
Yeah, and so we did that and,to be honest, I think that's
probably what kind of saved us,because I had it really bad the
second time.
Yeah, and I'm old and I've gotyou know.
I mean, I was at risk, yeah,and I have autoimmune disorders.
I did just fine.
Now, it may have been because Iwas in good shape and I was
(15:34):
strong and whatever else, butyou guys did too.
And we kind of followed aregime.
We were like, okay, if thishappens to you, make sure that
there's, you know you do this,make sure you do this, make sure
you do this.
And we weren't really dependingon somebody else.
We were kind of walking throughit and saying, well, it makes
sense to us.
I did end up getting thebooster.
That was because I wastraveling at that time and
(15:58):
people would go oh my god,you're traveling and I'd go.
Yeah, and that's the best timeto be traveling, because there
wasn't but three people in theairport every time I flew and
there couldn't have been morethan three people on a plane.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, it was like this is the best I would have
went had I been able to and theyhanded you these little wet
wipes which I love of course andI had my little spray with me
and it was like this is the besttime to be traveling.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I was traveling all over hell and back during that
time period because I thought Idon't have to have some bonehead
breathing all over me rightcoughing on me.
I got nothing.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
It swelled itself out it was great and a lot of, but
a lot of people did panic and Imean rightfully so with the
information they were given.
Now let's talk about.
I don't know if you know whatled to this, but do you remember
the first, when it firststarted happening, the toilet
paper panic?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
oh my goodness do you know how?
That started because I knowexactly how?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
do you know how and why it started?
Let's go with it all, right, Idon't know.
So stupid americans arewatching overseas news and see
that australia is under ashortage of paper products like
toilet paper.
Now, somewhere in our two braincells that we share as
(17:23):
americans, we rubbed themtogether and said, oh my god,
they're running out of toiletpaper.
We need 53 packs of toiletpaper for the two of us, just to
make sure we can wipe our assesthrough this.
What they didn't realize, weran out of toilet paper.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
During that time period, I had to scoot across
the lawn.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Oh, just go to the gas station and steal some, it's
fine.
But you know, and, and we seethis and we're like, oh my god,
this you know.
Toilet paper is like the newgold.
What we, as americans, didn'trealize is that australia is a
huge import country.
They get 99% of their paperproducts from China.
(18:02):
The reason they were having apaper shortage is because they
had shut down trade to Chinabecause of the virus had nothing
to do with their factories oranything.
We make toilet paper in theUnited States folks, I mean read
the package.
Okay, we didn't have that issueuntil the americans go oh my god
(18:23):
, I gotta wipe my butt for thenext five years and they go out
and they panic by this stuff,not realizing we can make more.
Just buy what you're gonnaregularly use and there's not
gonna be this issue now inaustralia yeah, it was a shit
show, man, I feel for them,because they had to fight for
every inch over there.
But here we have our ownfactories and a lot of this
(18:44):
panic buying.
That's what happened.
We have our own factories,we're making our own stuff.
These idiots out here thinkwe're importing everything.
No, right, yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And again it really kind of gets back to so much
misinformation and who you werelistening to and you know I
really when I'm researchingstuff I like to look at the
actual reports.
I don't listen to local news, Idon't listen to the national
news.
I don't really pay anyattention to that.
If somebody is saying, oh,so-and-so said this, I want to
(19:19):
see what was said on the Senatefloor.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I want to see what the actual research.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I don't trust the Senate floor.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Well, I want to know what the research actually said,
and usually you can get some ofthat information Right.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
you can get research papers directly from them.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And so you know, the more you read it was like what
the hell?
Yeah, where are these peoplegetting this information to?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
pass around type of thing yeah so what'd?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
you say dr domain.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I didn't say anything you said get a bidet, oh, get a
bidet, yeah, oh those wereskyrocketing and and people
buying them now people don'twant to go back, so I know so
Speaker 1 (19:54):
there's nothing better so yeah, we had one at
the Georgia house, the previousGeorgia house.
I had two of them.
Had two of them, yeah, and Iwas like oh, this is like old
people stuff right here, youknow.
Oh, no they are nice.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
After I gave birth they have them in the hospital,
in the bathrooms usually, andI'm just like I'm in heaven.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Nice this is the best thing that's ever happened to
me, yeah I think the first, thefirst indicator I got that we
were being scammed on this wholething was when I was looking at
the data that was coming out ofjohn hopkins, which you would
expect to be a reputable sourceof right, you would think um, I
started noticing a trend afterprobably a couple months, where
(20:36):
they would track statistics offatalities yes, not even knowing
definitively if it was due tothe coronavirus.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
But they took a swing at it and they provided this
data Every Sunday.
No one died.
It was crazy that was theLord's Day.
That was the day of rest.
Yeah, so you know, I think thisis going to go down in history
as one of the biggest scams.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
We got bamboozled.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
But you know, I want to say, because I think it was
the largest example ofgovernment overreach,
infringement of our rights, Ithink it was a test.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I really do.
I think it was a test on how wewould react.
I think it was blown out ofproportion.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
This was not the big pandemic.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
There were much larger pandemics out there, that
will be coming.
Yes, well, there was the BlackDeath yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
We still have the plague.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
The Spanish Flu killed more people and there
were even less people on theplanet at that time, and AIDS
has on the planet at that timeand and um, aids has killed more
people, you know.
So this is not.
This is not all.
Uh, that they, that theytrumped it up to be to me it was
.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It was nothing but a political battle.
That was all it was.
I'm gonna blame you.
You discovered this.
Oh, it happened under yourwatch.
Oh my gosh, you've gotmisinformation coming out.
Oh oh, who did this?
Who did that?
Which side did they belong to?
And it really just gets to apoint where you know, are you
(22:05):
really interested in the peopleor are you just wearing that
banner that you're raising realhigh?
You know, because you reallyneed to be worried about
Americans, as opposed to whatparty you are, and quit being a
pawn to that particularpolitical party.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, I'm not saying that there weren't consequences
to this.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I think we waited too long to fully disclose the
origins of it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
It looks.
You know from what I've readand what I've heard, it
originated in Wuhan, in some wetmarket, probably someone
licking a bat or whatever thehell they were doing.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Pretty much.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Putting one in their butt.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Honestly, I think it was a test.
I think it was anotherexperiment.
Yeah, just to see what wouldhappen if it really was bigger
than this, because they got alot of data from us.
Yep, they realized how freakingstupid we are.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
But the most disturbing thing that I've heard
so far in y'all's conversationis the fact that, bobby, you got
bribed.
Yes, you did.
You got bribed, yes, you did.
You got bribed I did, and thatto survive, just to survive yeah
, because they're dangling a jobover your, over your head, and
a bonus.
You gotta have the money.
And where does it stop?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
yeah, you know, that's why I think it was a test
, it was another experiment.
It was a basically a worldwidetuskegee experiment and they got
a lot of data from us.
They got a lot from us as humanbeings, not only in america,
across the world on what's goingto happen, how are they going
to handle it, what if they dothis?
How easily can we convincethese people right of what we
(23:42):
say when they are in?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
panic mode.
Right, exactly, and I I totallyagree with that.
And the other thing is isthey're still collecting data,
but it's not stuff that they'resharing with us, that's the
whole thing is if you think theeight o'clock news or ten
o'clock news is sharing data,they're just trying to get
ratings.
They're not.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
They don't give a rat's ass yeah, I don't mean to
sound like a conspiracy theorist, because no, bring it.
We are your job, that's my job,that's right I don't want to
put it out of work, but, um,yeah, I think that's true.
There's a certain amount ofinformation that we're not
getting, yeah, a lot ofmisinformation, and I think, I
do believe, there's probably agroup out there and it's albeit
(24:24):
small that is trying to get theinformation to us.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, but it's coming from different channels.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
We in the past expected it to come from
mainstream media, because theywere the source.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right, the big three-letter type of source, the
trusted source, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
But now we're finding that they're losing their
credibility.
And now people are grasping forreal news and trying to find
out well, what, what actuallydid happen?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
and a lot of it is social media too, because we're
we're allowed to go live garbageand show what's going on where
we are.
When you know the news has thecamera pointed the other way
right, right, and there was justso much hate on social media oh
yeah, there was hate everywhere.
Did you get a?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
shot.
No, you didn't get a shot.
Oh my God, you should be put todeath.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You're a child abuser if you don't get your kids
these shots.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It was just crazy how much hate was going on.
It's like wait a second.
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Any other time you say my body and now, all of a
sudden, it's not right, it's notmy decision anymore, right?
I think it was proof to showhow weak and spineless the
american population is.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I don't think it's just.
I don't want to say that.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I don't want to say that about my own country, but I
think there's some truth to itmore countries than america yeah
I'm just looking at it from ourperspective, but through the
lens of being american, lookingat fellow americans.
It was like we just kind ofbent over and took it so it's
like it's the movie of bugs life.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So it's a kid's movie , but it's, you know, thousands
of ants versus a handful ofgrasshoppers.
And these grasshoppersoverpower these ants and make
them believe what they want,right, make them serve them
until they literally, you know,die of exhaustion, until the
ants realize, hey, there's a lotmore of us than there is of
them, but that's what's going onin our government right now.
(26:12):
It has been yeah this was one ofthe biggest, I think, shows of
this system that people did notpay attention to, because they
whipped them up in a panic sobad and they were.
People were in panic mode, theywere in survival mode, and some
of them still are.
Oh, absolutely.
And so, speaking of media,though, is there a media source
(26:33):
that you trust above the others?
Specifically, no.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
There isn't right now , not for me there isn't Okay.
I think that whoever you'relistening to can sway you.
It has one way of swaying thananother.
I kind of just take it in and Igo does that sound right?
Let me look at that.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
See I'm weird.
So I get American news from AlJazeera TV and BBC.
Basically I do listen to BBC.
When it comes to American newsthey don't really have a huge
you know dog in this fight.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, they don't have a biggest reason to lie.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah and so yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Al jazeera tv was my go-to for a lot of what was
going on so what was, what wassome of the, what were some of
the detriments during thatpandemic I talked about about,
you know, we had the nursinghomes where they wouldn't even
let you in to see your thehospitals, the hospitals.
Nursing homes Also funerals.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
They wouldn't even let you get together for
funerals.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I was like are you on crack?
Nope Funerals.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Births.
Okay, what the father can't?
The woman has to give birthalone.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
And to give birth alone and it's like what in the
hell is going on?
How traumatic is that?
How traumatic is that?
It's terrible.
And then, but you know we hadand and don't get me wrong I do
have some feelings for peoplewho said, oh, my kid didn't get
to go graduate, walk across thestage or that's tough though
that is, that's a pivotal pointin a child's growth and
development.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
It is, you know, we did.
We had a lot of kids that wentinto either college or high
school, or even middle school orthe military, any of it.
And for four or five years theycouldn't see other people.
They had to do everything online, they had to isolate, they had
to stay away from other people,and they were raised in this
(28:23):
environment of social isolation.
Yeah, how do you expect someonewho is learning to be an adult
to spend four years in socialisolation and then come out,
okay, I don't think we did agood job of handling that
psychologically, by any stretchthere wasn't, there was no
psychological handling of it,because I don't think they gave
(28:44):
a shit.
No, I mean, we're dealing withthe aftermath, because we have
to deal with it, but there wasno, there was nothing put in
place to try to, you know, avertthese medical issues, these
psychological issues that weregoing to come up.
And because we knew about it.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
We knew about it from other things that had happened
and I will say that you know,obviously I'm not the sensitive
type.
So when it comes to a lot ofthe things that did happen, I
kind of have that buck-upattitude.
That's why I'm undiagnosed.
Yeah, but I kind of have thatbuck-up attitude.
You know, when somebody says,oh, my kid didn't go here or
(29:21):
whatever, you know I'm kind of abuck up.
You know, back in the day, youknow, look how many kids
graduated and walked across thestage to get to Vietnam.
You know that's where they wentfor their senior trip.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, but it wasn't fair for them either.
No, it was apples and oranges,absolutely.
Absolutely, but I'm just sayingthat you know when I think
about, yeah, when I think about.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You know what was hurtful, I think, the number of
closed doors, the number of momand pop stores that went under.
They sure as hell didn't closedown Wells Fargo.
They didn't close down any ofthe big corporations.
Black Rock was still going,vanguard was still going.
All of these people were stillhaving board meetings, they were
all running their shows, butall these mom and pop places had
(30:07):
to shut down.
Every door was a family andthat's what you did to the
American people, not just theAmerican people, a lot of people
.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, yeah, because it was a trickle-down effect.
You have not only the owners ofthe store, you have the
distributors.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Now they have to put out half of their workforce and
to think that somebody canrecover from that.
And then you look around andyou go oh, all those buildings
are empty and they have beensince COVID.
Or somebody lost their house,or these people lost their house
.
Yeah, all these houses inforeclosure and these families
are homeless now and a lot ofthese families still just have
never recovered financially,never, never recovered
(30:45):
financially.
Know, you look and you say whodid that?
To us, the government did?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
yeah, they did.
They forced us, they didn'tgive us a choice as the people.
They forced us into this cornerand it was I mean, it was a
survival mode.
It was, you know, do or die outthere for a lot of people,
because I know a lot of peoplethat lost everything.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
And the ridiculousness of the stuff.
Oh, if you wear two masks, ohGod.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I couldn't even breathe in one.
You're talking to a fat girl.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It would be better if you wore two masks or if you
wear a face shield.
I remember going to a gasstation.
I was pumping my gas and whenyou're outside, what the hell?
Yeah, and I wasn't wearing amask, and I wouldn't, you know I
I was, I was complying with Iwant to breathe with.
You know everybody'srequirements.
Do you need to wear a mask?
Okay, I'll play the game.
(31:39):
I'll do that.
But I was outside pumping mygas and this other lady was
behind me and she was pumpingher gas and she goes where's
your mask?
I'd have been like bend overand I looked at her and I go
what she goes, where's your mask?
You're supposed to be wearing amask.
I go doesn't yours work?
You know you're wearing that toprotect you.
(32:00):
I don't need you to protect me.
And the things that irritated meabout the masks were one people
driving alone in their ownvehicle, with the windows up,
with the mask on oh for the loveof God or outside walking.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Look people, for the love of God.
And two, the ones that wouldwear the mask below their nose
that only covered their mouth.
I'm like, do you know howbreathing works?
Like, did you take an anatomyclass in high school?
Did they cut this out?
And it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So we have pictures of our family.
I believe it was Easter when weillegally gathered?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Well, we didn't, though.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Because we all wore masks and we were at the house,
but we were illegally gathered.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
We were, because it was more than six people we had
pictures of us all separated up,you know, out in the yard.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
What.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
What Huh?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
What do you mean illegal?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
You couldn't gather more than six people at a time
in a gathering and they had tobe outside and they had to stay
six feet apart and we wereoutside.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
We were outside.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
We had masks on all that crap stupidest yeah, notice
the difference.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Oh, go ahead, finish.
No, go ahead, no, I noticed.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I noticed the difference like, um, like the
state of georgia was handled itquite differently than like
california and some of the otherstates, because there were some
differences there, like schoolreconvened much quicker oh, yeah
, yeah yeah, the whole massthing that just kind of got
brushed aside.
For the most part we hadsomeone visit from, I think it
(33:31):
was California or something likethat, and they're like, why
come?
No one's wearing a mask?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Well, because, we don't buy into that.
We're living our lives we'reliving our lives.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
We're born free.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
That damn pandemic can't handle us down here.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
And it, that damn pandemic, can't handle us down
here, we'll run that out of town, we'll get down to county.
And again, we're not doctorsand we're not trying to start
any arguments here.
We're just really talking abouthow it affected us and we're
not scientists.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
But we had to live through it too Right, and we
have a heap of understanding andjust everything for the people
who did lose loved ones becauseit was an absolutely horrific
thing, absolutely to not onlyhave someone who you are losing
to the virus, but you can't evengo tell them goodbye, right,
(34:23):
and we, how horrible we.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
We lost good friends.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
We did.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
There's no doubt about it and it's a sad
situation and you know again,there, about the grace of God,
go you and I, because it couldhave been, us Could have been.
It wasn't and we're thankfulfor that.
But you know again, get readyfor the next one, folks.
Yeah, because the governmentneeds another subject.
They need more information.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
They need more info that they will never tell us.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
It's a bogus thing, so get ready for it, and just
you know do your Wash, your damnhands.
Wash your hands and stay out ofpeople's space.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Quit blowing your nose in public and get a bidet,
and get a bidet, and get a bidet.
Invest in a bidet, yeah so whatdo you think, bobby?
I think that that is all theinsanity, uh, that we have for
today.
We appreciate you joining ushere at the rabbit hole studio.
Be sure to follow us, becausewe look forward to spending time
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Speaker 1 (35:37):
She said that without scurrying it on me.
I didn't know that we should dothat.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So if you have hate mail, you know where you can put
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