September 16, 2025 • 26 mins
What sets apart those who seem naturally gifted from those who've worked tirelessly to master a craft? In this lively and personal exploration of talent versus skill, we unpack the fundamental differences between what we're born with and what we develop through practice.
The conversation begins with a humorous look at how we define these terms – talent as the natural, effortless abilities we possess from birth, and skill as what we acquire through dedicated learning and practice. What unfolds is a fascinating journey through our own experiences with both, from artistic abilities and musical gifts to leadership qualities and mechanical aptitudes.
The most valuable insight emerges as we explore the intersection where talent meets skill – that sweet spot where natural aptitude is enhanced through dedicated practice, creating true mastery. Whether you're curious about your own untapped potential or simply enjoy candid mother-daughter banter about life's gifts and challenges, this episode offers both laughter and wisdom about embracing what makes each of us exceptional.
What talents might you be overlooking in yourself? And which skills are you most proud of developing? Join the conversation by sharing your thoughts with us – we'd love to hear what makes you uniquely gifted.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome everyone to today's show.
A boomer and a Gen Xer walkinto a bar, coming to you from
the rabbit hole studio, and ifDr Domain didn't hit the record
button this time, I mightactually be down the rabbit hole
at this point You're gonnaexperience some wisdom, some
smart-assery and a mother anddaughter questioning.
(00:25):
Are we even related?
My name is Bobbi Joy and myco-host is my mom, jane, and our
quote-unquote technical advisoris Dr Domain over here, who
finally figured out the buttons.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
So welcome.
Oh my gosh, that was so funnyoh that was a wonderful practice
run, wasn't it?
It was, and it sounded so goodtoo.
I wonderful practice right,wasn't it?
It was, and it was sounded sogood too.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I wish we could have used it.
You know, what's really sad iswe both know this has happened
before, so we should have beenlooking for the light, and yet
here we put our trust in drdomain, in his skills and talent
, and which, here we are exactlywhat we're talking about today
skills and talent.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Do you have any?
What are they?
So this is going to be a shortshow, Bob.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, it'll be in and out, in and out, we're done.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Thanks for listening.
Yeah, so skills and talent,because what's the difference,
first of all, between skills andtalent?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I think that a skill is something that can be
acquired like worked on, and atalent is something that can be
acquired like worked on, and atalent is something that you're
more natural at.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Really.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Like I can naturally just piss people off, but it
takes skill to do it for years.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Really, you think that's the difference.
So I did look it up.
Talent is a natural, innateaptitude to do something.
Look it up.
Talent is a natural, innateaptitude to do something, while
skill is the ability to performa task well and is acquired
through knowledge, practice andeffort.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I literally pulled that out of my ass.
I had no idea.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, oh my gosh, that's so funny because I
thought, well, maybe you lookedat it before, but you didn't, so
I have a talent forbullshitting and actually being
right but it's kind of a skillfor you too?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
it kind of is.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, I've worked on it yeah, yeah, so great you were
making fun of me.
I'm gonna go off topic here forjust a minute.
Derail, um and uh, big surprise, you were making fun of me
earlier because I had justlooked at I have a world map
next to me thank god, studio andthe reason I do is because, you
(02:29):
know, I forget where shit's at,forget where she is, and I'm
thinking this world map is goingto help me and the world map is
from like the 1800s she wasborn.
This is is relatively new,really.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
What's that body of water south of Texas.
Southeast of Texas.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
That is the Gulf of America.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
That's the Gulf of Mexico.
Don't start with me.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Don't you start with?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
me Don't go there.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
This is an ancient map.
It's not ancient, it's a coupleof years old.
Anyway, I said to him justmoments ago where's america?
So we have a talent forirritating mom.
Oh my gosh, yeah, so I saidwe're, what country is libyan?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
and he and I walked in on this.
I was out of the studio andlooked at me like are you on
crack like seriously I know whatI said, was you have master's
degrees and you're asking whatcountry is libya?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
and so I.
But I immediately correctedmyself because I said oh wait, a
minute.
Libya is the country, this isthe continent what continents it
on africa.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm surprised it's written on there isn't it is.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Why do you think I have the map?
Do you think it's justcolor-coded and that's it?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
fair.
In your lifetime there havebeen a lot of changes to
countries, like countries don'texist that used to exist when
you were, you know in schoollike the ussr yeah, things like
that.
I mean it has changed, but toknow the difference between a
country and a continent I thinkis very pertinent to a geography
lesson for a third grader yeah,yeah, so I got let alone
(04:19):
someone who has master's degreesI corrected myself, even though
you gave me the stink eye themoment I said it.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
That's because I just walked into it, like just
unknowingly walked into it, andI'm like what the hell is wrong
with you?
Oh gosh, to be fair, I waslooking for my reading glasses
and they were on top of my head,so I can't exactly say a lot
about that.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Okay, let's get back to our topic.
So we were talking about skillsversus talent, right, and so
talent is kind of innate.
You were born with talent.
It's a natural gift or anaptitude?
I don't know that I was everborn with any talent.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Were you.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I think I was.
What's your talent, besidespissing people off or pissing me
off?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
What is your talent?
Finding the most creative waysto injure myself.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
No, sister, you ain't even close.
I'm the poster child of that.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Let's see here I mean I do.
I did have some I might.
Still I haven't used in a longtime some natural talent when it
comes to music, musicalinstruments and art.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Art, I will say that is true.
Musical instruments, gong show.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
you're off, you just didn't come to my practices and
stuff.
You practiced once as soon as Ipicked up you know, like the
trumpet and percussion you knowI played um for the marching
band.
I was on the, the quads andthings like that it was it was
pretty natural for me to pick itup and even though I I still
can't really read music, I wasable to pick up the songs and
(06:00):
things like that and play withthe band so I do agree with you
on the art thing because we'vetalked about that before where
you won an art, yeah talent showyep, and so I I totally agree
with that, and your daughter isalso very artistically talented.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yes, I will say that she definitely has a talent,
because she's never gone toschool for it and she puts out
some pretty cool stuff yeah, andit's mixed media stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's not just drawings or paintings or things
like that.
It's.
It's working with different ummaterials and different um
medians on what she's doing.
I mean everything from you know.
I taught her um a lot abouteffects, makeup for Halloween
and things like that.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And I mean she can, you know, spend five minutes
kind of looking at something andreally just pick it up.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
So, dr Domain, what do you think that your talent is
?
Now?
That would be something thatyou think you were born with.
It's effortless, it comesnaturally and requires little
thought or effort to accomplish.
It has aptitude.
So talent is really the rate atwhich you can acquire an
ability or a predisposition Ican't even talk which is not
(07:19):
sounding out words.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
That's kind of my talent for certain activities.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
What do you think your talent is?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Good looks and common sense.
I was going to say charm, charm.
No, I think just.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
We both love that, sorry about that I'm done.
No, no, no, no, you can't quit,not mid-show.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Like complex things kind of come easier to me, I
think.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I would say that's probably true when.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I look at something, or especially if it's got a
mechanical aspect to it, it justkind of comes naturally, I
think.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
So mechanically inclined Makes more sense to me.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, that seems straightforward.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
One thing that I I'm curious enough.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Maybe curiosity is one of those things.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah and I've said this about you before that I
haven't seen anything that youcan't either build or fix, and
I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You know YouTube has helped a lot of that, yeah, but
even with YouTube, you have tohave an understanding, you have
to have an understanding and he,you know he can understand that
stuff pretty easily.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I will say easily, you seem to come by it pretty
easily.
I will say easily, you seem tocome by it quite easily.
I don't think I have any talentwhatsoever.
I'm pretty certain of it.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So this is your mom's cue to prompt her.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
No, ask her what her talent is.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I have none, you have a talent.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
What, what is it?
What is it?
What is it?
I have no.
What do you mean?
You have no talent, I have notalent.
There is none.
Bl, I have no.
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
you have no talent, I have no talent, there is none.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blahblah Like three stooges.
Talentless Holy smokes.
What a disappointment.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I don't.
I don't have any talent, I havenone.
What would it be?
I have none.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
The only I would say, if I had anything, it's
probably the ability to persuadepeople.
I have a persuasive way ofmaking people do things.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I was yeah, I was gonna say more of a, more of a
talent for um convincing peopleto do talking yeah, and that may
be true, because I did do a lotof, I mean, over the course of
my career.
I did a lot of presentations, Idid a lot of um, but I think a
lot of um but I think it comesnaturally to you though too.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I mean, I know like when you were younger and stuff
you did, you had, you know, alittle nervousness, things like
that, and there were somehiccups along the way.
But I think that you did have anatural talent to not only talk
to people but to command a room.
Like you can walk into a roomand you can command it pretty
easily.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Other people have said that yeah.
Other people have said you havea presence when you walk in.
Yeah, absolutely, and it's likeI don't even know what that
means, but I do know that I canconvince people to do a lot of
things.
And then I don't know if that'spersuasion domain but I, just
over you know the, but I, justover you know the, my lifetime I
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have been able to talk peopleinto doing things, and not bad
things, but just kind oflogically or emotionally.
I kind of touch on the emotionof people.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Well, and even when there's chaos, you, you do have
that commanding presence of Iwouldn't say really like taking
control or taking over, but youhave that presence of listen,
calm down, let's think aboutthis, let's talk it out and and
to be able to guide peopletowards what needs to be done.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Unless I've lost my phone or my billfold.
Well, that's different.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I mean or your, your password, or your computer or
anything like that.
Yeah, yeah, that's a totallytotally different thing.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
So talent, of course, we've kind of identified that.
So what about skills?
So skills, as you mentionedBobby, is a learned thing, right
?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Skills are acquired through knowledge, training and
practice.
That's something that youdevelop, uh, over time, through
dedication and effort, over time, through dedication and effort,
and also a skill isdemonstratable.
It's something that you candemonstrate A talent.
You can kind of do that too.
But a skill is the ability todo something very well and it
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can be recognized and validatedwhen it is demonstrated and
shared.
So I think that's kind of thebig difference.
So when we talk about skills,what do you think your skills
are?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I honestly I think I have a lot of them that I've
acquired just through eithersomething that I wanted to do or
something that I had to do okayso one would be this was really
early on um, I think it's atalent and a skill, because I
think that I did have a naturaltalent for it, but I also honed
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my skills on it, and that was umshooting oh, okay so I mean we
went national, you with ourrifle team and I went to the
Iowa Games and everything elsefor it.
I say it's both because when wedid go to the Iowa Games we
actually had a dropout for thepistol competition and at that
point I had never shot a pistolfor competition and they asked
(12:15):
if I wanted to shoot and kind ofjust threw one in my hand and
said, hey, you're up, and I gotthe silver medal.
So it wasn't something that Ihad planned on, but I think that
even from day one I had hadkind of a natural shooting
talent.
But I I did spend what?
Three years honing my skillsokay.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So yeah, all right.
Is there another one besidesshooting that you can think of
off the top of your?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
head bartending okay.
Come on, that's a skill.
I mean, really, if I'm nottalking like opening beers, I'm
talking, you know, mixologybartending okay yeah, absolutely
okay.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
well, I think you're slow, she's a mixologist.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I'm a mixologist I think you're slow, what?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, either that, or every time I've come in where
you were working.
I was talking to you Shut it.
No, that's not correct.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I knew I was going to get a good tip anyway.
So what's it?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, no kidding, no, kidding You're.
It's like she takes all day andI know it's because she wants
me to stay there and justobserve her and be with her.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, I'm lonely behind the bar.
Get the creeps away, you knowwhat.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
About you, dr Domain?
What do you think your skill,one of your skills, is?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I thought I just mentioned it.
No, that's a talent.
Oh, that's a talent, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Okay, so remember, a skill is something that's
learned, it's developed anddemonstratable, and so over time
you would develop that skillyeah.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I think it goes.
I think that what he talkedabout would go for skills too,
because being mechanicallyinclined I mean, you do have to
learn new parts and hone in oncertain things.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Do you think that's true, Dr Domey?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Sure, let's go with that.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Okay, well, you think about it for a minute, because
I'm sure you have other skills,and I will say not only
mechanical skills that you'velearned and you've honed.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Cooking.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Cooking skills.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Dealing with mom.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Dealing with me.
That's a skill set that is askill set, because he's very
calm.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Oh, I've seen it, I've seen it, I've seen it.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You know I'd like him to get excited and he don't
Like, why don't you get mad atme?
Yeah, I think I think a lot ofthat skills.
I think if I had to think abouta skill that, I have.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I think I'm a good leader.
I do.
I think that comes naturallywith your talent, though, too,
like with your presence, yourcommanding of a room and able to
and I get this from you too isthe ability to speak on
someone's level.
So you know, you walk into aroom full of business people,
you're going to have a differentlevel of speech and recognition
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for those people than you do ifyou walk into a neighborhood
barbecue and command you knowthe presence of those people.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, that's adjusting to your audience and I
think that's really importantand I think you know, being a
good leader to me is not being agood manager in a business.
Anybody can manage people butnot everybody can lead them.
And you know I always told myguys uh, when I was working, you
know, if you're in the fire,I'm in the fire with you.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Right and I will.
And a lot of managers aren'tlike that.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
They say, if you're in the fire, I'm going to tell
you what to do from up here,Right, and I was in the fire
with them.
And the other thing is, is Iwent to bat for my people, Right
?
I?
I mean, if I really and truly,you know, felt that I needed to,
I would jeopardize whatever ittook just to and not to be nasty
, not to, you know cause I, youhave to take your marching
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orders too, right?
No matter what, you take yourmarching orders and nobody's
paying my bills with me, and sothey don't really care whether
or not I get paid or whether Iget fired.
They do not, but I think a goodleader has the ability to
influence people.
They have the ability to helppeople see the different
perspectives.
I think they also have theability to not make people walk
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out of their office or walk awaywith their tail tucked between
their legs just because theymade a mistake.
You know, a mistake does not abad person make.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, leaders have more of teaching moments rather
than reprimand moments.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And I think that's true and I think that you know.
I also told my folks that youknow, as I'm developing you or
helping you, I want you to bethe leader.
I want you to be.
Because, one day you may be myboss, right?
And if you're going to be myboss, here's the things I want
you to do as my boss, and so itwas really important for me to
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to make sure that that I was agood leader.
So, as we talked about, uh,talent is kind of innate and
inborn skill is acquired throughpractice.
Do you play an instrument now,bobby?
I don't now.
No, no, no.
Dr domain, do you?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
now no, I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
I always wanted to play the piano, yeah, but they
said, if you, I?
I had heard one time that ifyou were really good at math,
you could be good at instrumentsyeah, music, you're playing
instruments yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
What instrument?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
air guitar oh you know, but that band split up, so
my air guitar has been in theshop for a little while and and
so, yeah, I was playing the airguitar.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yes, I can play a few songs on the piano, um nothing
where I can do like, likechopsticks well, no like um like
first noel, no like my chemicalromance.
Uh, welcome to the black parade, things like that, um.
But you know my son, I boughthim his very first guitar last
year and he know he's never hada lesson, he's never, you know,
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gone to a teacher or anythinglike that.
He basically looked up onyoutube and things like that on
how to play.
This kid is good yeah I mean heis freaking amazing I know for
having zero lessons or anythinglike that.
I mean he just picked it up andjust ran with it.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, so he kind of blew my mind on that when he got
the guitar, and then my othergrandson he is also talented in
that way.
And I think I told this storybefore.
I think I don't even rememberhow old he was he must have been
about 12 years old and hewanted a violin.
Yeah, and I bought it for himfor Christmas and he wanted it
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early, so I gave it to him twoweeks early and he came to
Christmas and the whole familywas there and I said hey, buddy,
have you learned anything onyour guitar?
He goes.
Yeah, I brought it with me yourviolin, yeah, guitar, yeah your
violin, he goes.
Yeah, I brought it with me and Isaid do you want to?
I said do you know a full song?
He goes.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I know 22 of them yeah and he had, he had taught
himself and my oldest picked itup after him.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, and sat there for I don't know how long.
We were all looking at eachother like 22 and two weeks and
the kid never had a lesson he'dnever you know, and so in that
respect, and he plays the guitaralso yeah, they're both super
talented as it relates to that.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
So, yeah, yeah, nice, yeah, I, I, I know one skill
that all three of us havesitting here that we've acquired
is motorcycle riding.
That is true, I mean, that's askill that not a lot of people
have.
I mean, a lot of people drive,a lot of people ride bikes, a
lot of people can do things likethat, but motorcycles a whole
nother beast.
And all three of us, for mostof our lives, have ridden
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motorcycles yeah, Because Ishoot.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I've been riding since I was 12.
So yeah.
And the first time I got on mystepmom's motorcycle I think I
was 11 or 12 riding around thecemetery yeah, that's cool, yeah
, so, um, also, as it relates totalent, you know, let's look at
effort.
Typically, with talent you have, little effort is required
because you are automaticallytalented with skill.
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Um, that's kind of requiresdedication and practice to
develop and then developmentitself.
A talent is kind of requiresdedication and practice to
develop and then developmentitself.
A talent is kind of a gift thatexists without any effort.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, so like the talent thing, talent versus
skill thing would be like likeme with my art.
I had a lot of natural talentbut I did hone those skills,
like in stained glass art andclay pottery, things like that,
where I did expand what I hadalready known or had already
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been doing into new areas.
And it did, it took.
It took a lot of practice, alot, especially with the stained
glass, Cause man, that stuff'shard.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, and your dad kind of helped teach you.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
He was the whole reason.
I even picked up stained glass.
He did some really up stainedglass yeah he did some really
nice stained glass.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Oh, he's amazing at it, yeah and and that's the
stained glass was actually whatwon the art competition that
year so, you know, as as wethink about talent and skill,
again, I go back to a lot ofyoutubes that we see, or a lot
of reels that we see, and we'vetalked about this before a lot,
lot of people who can sing anddance.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
When you get old, you got two moves when you're
dancing Okay, it's side to side,and then kind of a little
bounce and that's it.
That's all you got, cause I'venever seen anybody my age or
around my age do anythingdifferent Doing the Carlton yeah
, it's side to side and a littlebounce.
That's all we got going on.
And so when you see these reelsof these people who are doing
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these dances and stuff, I havegotten up and thought I can do
that.
I used to be able to do theCharleston and all that business
.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
We used to swing, dance you used to make me swing
dance in the living room withyou and all that business.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
We used to swing dance.
You used to make me swing dancein the living room with you and
I used to.
I used to do two-stepping anddouble two-stepping and you know
line dancing and everythingelse yeah now it's like okay,
did I put my shoes on upsidedown and both you know wrong
feet.
I'm not really sure whathappened here.
We just forgot.
Yeah, we kind of forgot yeah sobut I do watch some of those,
and just the talent of thesepeople is so remarkable A lot of
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people who have never had asinging lesson, who have never,
ever been taught music.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
But taught themselves and it's raw, it's pure talent,
because they don't have thevoice correctors, they don't
have the expensive microphonesor the setups, they don't have
the soundproof rooms that a lotof artists have.
They're in their bedroom ontheir iPhone with a tiny little
microphone singing and it soundsthat amazing, without any
(22:30):
interruption from any kind ofelectronics.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
It's just, it's pure, pure something as simple as
some of these influencers orthese folks on youtube who are
just showing you how to put onmakeup okay, I need that though
and I think I and I've wornmakeup my whole life, right?
Yeah, I can't put it on likethey put it on right I can sit
there and watch this and it'slike why am I not able?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
to do that.
Well, I've said, you know oneof my favorite podcasters who
also has a youtube channel,bailey sarian.
Yeah, she does the murdermysteries and makeup and she
goes through a murder podcastwhile doing her makeup and I
just sit there and look at herand go god, I wish I had that, I
wish I could do that and I'vetried.
I have.
I have zero talent with makeup,unless it's looking like my
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face got ripped off.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
To do those two things.
I have a hard time talking andswallowing.
I have to stop.
I have to stop to swallow.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
And then sometimes I choke and she just, I mean, she
makes it look so effortless andit's just, her makeup is just so
amazing.
And a lot of these women's are,and even guys, guys who have
these YouTube channels wherethey actually show how to put on
, you know, foundation oreyeliner, things like that, and
I'm just like I'm lucky if Idon't poke my eyeball out if I
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wear eyeliner like there'sactual danger.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You poke yourself with a mascara brush and you're
done for the day.
It's over.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I have one eye who has mascara, one that doesn't.
I'm going out of the house.
I don't care.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Just watching some of this, I get blown away.
And it isn't just the singingor playing an instrument, some
of it's poetry, yeah, and I.
Oh, there's a skill.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I have yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Poetry.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I forgot.
So my brother writes poetry too, yep, and for years and years
and years he's written poetryand he used to uh recite this
poetry at christmas.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, he used to do the christmas.
They were pretty funny, oh, I,they were pretty funny.
Yeah, I miss those, and he dida good job.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Well, all that time I've been writing poetry, right.
Well, I built up a bank, butunfortunately that uh bank of
poetry was left at my job and ofcourse they delete everything
out of those files.
So I lost all that poetry.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So I started rewriting and now I'm not happy
with how I'm writing.
But yeah, I do write poetry.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I think that's because poetry is more of a.
You use the in the moment orthe emotion at the time and you
can't relive that.
You can go back and revisit ityeah, but you can't ever have
that emotion that you have atthe time.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Maybe sometime I will read one of my poems online On
online On the air, on the air,on the air as long as you don't
sing, I'm good with it, bobby.
You know, I love you Bobby.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Okay, I'm out.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Okay, well, that's all I've got for today anyway.
So you know, I just wanted tothank everybody for being here
with us today.
That is it, and we appreciateyou joining us at the Rabbit
Hole Studio.
Be sure to follow us.
We look forward to spendingtime with you each week and even
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if I have to sing it, I'm gonnado okay.
Anyway, please like us.
That's not one of my skills,absolutely not, no, no, not at
all man that's hurtful.
So please like us, and if youhave positive feedback for us,
you know what to do.
Send that off to us.
If you have a topic you want usto talk about, let us know, and
we'd sure like to know whatyour talent or skill is, whether
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it's baking, cooking, gardening, whatever that is.
Oh man, I've seen some reallycool gardens and gardening.
Uh, there's a lot of workinvolved in that, but anyway,
drop us a short email at boomerand jan extra at gmailcom.
If you have hate mail, whereshould they bury that bobby?
up the butt okay, uh, so I'mjane burke and I'm bobby joy and
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you're stuck with us peace outlater.
Welcome everyone to today's show.
A boomer and a Gen Xer walkinto a bar, coming to you from
the rabbit hole studio, and ifDr Domain didn't hit the record
button this time, I mightactually be down the rabbit hole
at this point You're gonnaexperience some wisdom, some
smart-assery and a mother anddaughter questioning.
(00:25):
Are we even related?
My name is Bobbi Joy and myco-host is my mom, jane, and our
quote-unquote technical advisoris Dr Domain over here, who
finally figured out the buttons.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
So welcome.
Oh my gosh, that was so funnyoh that was a wonderful practice
run, wasn't it?
It was, and it sounded so goodtoo.
I wonderful practice right,wasn't it?
It was, and it was sounded sogood too.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I wish we could have used it.
You know, what's really sad iswe both know this has happened
before, so we should have beenlooking for the light, and yet
here we put our trust in drdomain, in his skills and talent
, and which, here we are exactlywhat we're talking about today
skills and talent.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Do you have any?
What are they?
So this is going to be a shortshow, Bob.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, it'll be in and out, in and out, we're done.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Thanks for listening.
Yeah, so skills and talent,because what's the difference,
first of all, between skills andtalent?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I think that a skill is something that can be
acquired like worked on, and atalent is something that can be
acquired like worked on, and atalent is something that you're
more natural at.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Really.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Like I can naturally just piss people off, but it
takes skill to do it for years.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Really, you think that's the difference.
So I did look it up.
Talent is a natural, innateaptitude to do something.
Look it up.
Talent is a natural, innateaptitude to do something, while
skill is the ability to performa task well and is acquired
through knowledge, practice andeffort.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I literally pulled that out of my ass.
I had no idea.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, oh my gosh, that's so funny because I
thought, well, maybe you lookedat it before, but you didn't, so
I have a talent forbullshitting and actually being
right but it's kind of a skillfor you too?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
it kind of is.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, I've worked on it yeah, yeah, so great you were
making fun of me.
I'm gonna go off topic here forjust a minute.
Derail, um and uh, big surprise, you were making fun of me
earlier because I had justlooked at I have a world map
next to me thank god, studio andthe reason I do is because, you
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know, I forget where shit's at,forget where she is, and I'm
thinking this world map is goingto help me and the world map is
from like the 1800s she wasborn.
This is is relatively new,really.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
What's that body of water south of Texas.
Southeast of Texas.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
That is the Gulf of America.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
That's the Gulf of Mexico.
Don't start with me.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Don't you start with?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
me Don't go there.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
This is an ancient map.
It's not ancient, it's a coupleof years old.
Anyway, I said to him justmoments ago where's america?
So we have a talent forirritating mom.
Oh my gosh, yeah, so I saidwe're, what country is libyan?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
and he and I walked in on this.
I was out of the studio andlooked at me like are you on
crack like seriously I know whatI said, was you have master's
degrees and you're asking whatcountry is libya?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
and so I.
But I immediately correctedmyself because I said oh wait, a
minute.
Libya is the country, this isthe continent what continents it
on africa.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm surprised it's written on there isn't it is.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Why do you think I have the map?
Do you think it's justcolor-coded and that's it?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
fair.
In your lifetime there havebeen a lot of changes to
countries, like countries don'texist that used to exist when
you were, you know in schoollike the ussr yeah, things like
that.
I mean it has changed, but toknow the difference between a
country and a continent I thinkis very pertinent to a geography
lesson for a third grader yeah,yeah, so I got let alone
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someone who has master's degreesI corrected myself, even though
you gave me the stink eye themoment I said it.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
That's because I just walked into it, like just
unknowingly walked into it, andI'm like what the hell is wrong
with you?
Oh gosh, to be fair, I waslooking for my reading glasses
and they were on top of my head,so I can't exactly say a lot
about that.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Okay, let's get back to our topic.
So we were talking about skillsversus talent, right, and so
talent is kind of innate.
You were born with talent.
It's a natural gift or anaptitude?
I don't know that I was everborn with any talent.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Were you.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I think I was.
What's your talent, besidespissing people off or pissing me
off?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
What is your talent?
Finding the most creative waysto injure myself.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
No, sister, you ain't even close.
I'm the poster child of that.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Let's see here I mean I do.
I did have some I might.
Still I haven't used in a longtime some natural talent when it
comes to music, musicalinstruments and art.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Art, I will say that is true.
Musical instruments, gong show.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
you're off, you just didn't come to my practices and
stuff.
You practiced once as soon as Ipicked up you know, like the
trumpet and percussion you knowI played um for the marching
band.
I was on the, the quads andthings like that it was it was
pretty natural for me to pick itup and even though I I still
can't really read music, I wasable to pick up the songs and
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things like that and play withthe band so I do agree with you
on the art thing because we'vetalked about that before where
you won an art, yeah talent showyep, and so I I totally agree
with that, and your daughter isalso very artistically talented.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yes, I will say that she definitely has a talent,
because she's never gone toschool for it and she puts out
some pretty cool stuff yeah, andit's mixed media stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's not just drawings or paintings or things
like that.
It's.
It's working with different ummaterials and different um
medians on what she's doing.
I mean everything from you know.
I taught her um a lot abouteffects, makeup for Halloween
and things like that.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And I mean she can, you know, spend five minutes
kind of looking at something andreally just pick it up.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
So, dr Domain, what do you think that your talent is
?
Now?
That would be something thatyou think you were born with.
It's effortless, it comesnaturally and requires little
thought or effort to accomplish.
It has aptitude.
So talent is really the rate atwhich you can acquire an
ability or a predisposition Ican't even talk which is not
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sounding out words.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
That's kind of my talent for certain activities.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
What do you think your talent is?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Good looks and common sense.
I was going to say charm, charm.
No, I think just.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
We both love that, sorry about that I'm done.
No, no, no, no, you can't quit,not mid-show.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Like complex things kind of come easier to me, I
think.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I would say that's probably true when.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I look at something, or especially if it's got a
mechanical aspect to it, it justkind of comes naturally, I
think.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
So mechanically inclined Makes more sense to me.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, that seems straightforward.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
One thing that I I'm curious enough.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Maybe curiosity is one of those things.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah and I've said this about you before that I
haven't seen anything that youcan't either build or fix, and
I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You know YouTube has helped a lot of that, yeah, but
even with YouTube, you have tohave an understanding, you have
to have an understanding and he,you know he can understand that
stuff pretty easily.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I will say easily, you seem to come by it pretty
easily.
I will say easily, you seem tocome by it quite easily.
I don't think I have any talentwhatsoever.
I'm pretty certain of it.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So this is your mom's cue to prompt her.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
No, ask her what her talent is.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I have none, you have a talent.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
What, what is it?
What is it?
What is it?
I have no.
What do you mean?
You have no talent, I have notalent.
There is none.
Bl, I have no.
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
you have no talent, I have no talent, there is none.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blahblah Like three stooges.
Talentless Holy smokes.
What a disappointment.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I don't.
I don't have any talent, I havenone.
What would it be?
I have none.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
The only I would say, if I had anything, it's
probably the ability to persuadepeople.
I have a persuasive way ofmaking people do things.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I was yeah, I was gonna say more of a, more of a
talent for um convincing peopleto do talking yeah, and that may
be true, because I did do a lotof, I mean, over the course of
my career.
I did a lot of presentations, Idid a lot of um, but I think a
lot of um but I think it comesnaturally to you though too.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I mean, I know like when you were younger and stuff
you did, you had, you know, alittle nervousness, things like
that, and there were somehiccups along the way.
But I think that you did have anatural talent to not only talk
to people but to command a room.
Like you can walk into a roomand you can command it pretty
easily.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Other people have said that yeah.
Other people have said you havea presence when you walk in.
Yeah, absolutely, and it's likeI don't even know what that
means, but I do know that I canconvince people to do a lot of
things.
And then I don't know if that'spersuasion domain but I, just
over you know the, but I, justover you know the, my lifetime I
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have been able to talk peopleinto doing things, and not bad
things, but just kind oflogically or emotionally.
I kind of touch on the emotionof people.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Well, and even when there's chaos, you, you do have
that commanding presence of Iwouldn't say really like taking
control or taking over, but youhave that presence of listen,
calm down, let's think aboutthis, let's talk it out and and
to be able to guide peopletowards what needs to be done.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Unless I've lost my phone or my billfold.
Well, that's different.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I mean or your, your password, or your computer or
anything like that.
Yeah, yeah, that's a totallytotally different thing.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
So talent, of course, we've kind of identified that.
So what about skills?
So skills, as you mentionedBobby, is a learned thing, right
?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Skills are acquired through knowledge, training and
practice.
That's something that youdevelop, uh, over time, through
dedication and effort, over time, through dedication and effort,
and also a skill isdemonstratable.
It's something that you candemonstrate A talent.
You can kind of do that too.
But a skill is the ability todo something very well and it
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can be recognized and validatedwhen it is demonstrated and
shared.
So I think that's kind of thebig difference.
So when we talk about skills,what do you think your skills
are?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I honestly I think I have a lot of them that I've
acquired just through eithersomething that I wanted to do or
something that I had to do okayso one would be this was really
early on um, I think it's atalent and a skill, because I
think that I did have a naturaltalent for it, but I also honed
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my skills on it, and that was umshooting oh, okay so I mean we
went national, you with ourrifle team and I went to the
Iowa Games and everything elsefor it.
I say it's both because when wedid go to the Iowa Games we
actually had a dropout for thepistol competition and at that
point I had never shot a pistolfor competition and they asked
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if I wanted to shoot and kind ofjust threw one in my hand and
said, hey, you're up, and I gotthe silver medal.
So it wasn't something that Ihad planned on, but I think that
even from day one I had hadkind of a natural shooting
talent.
But I I did spend what?
Three years honing my skillsokay.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So yeah, all right.
Is there another one besidesshooting that you can think of
off the top of your?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
head bartending okay.
Come on, that's a skill.
I mean, really, if I'm nottalking like opening beers, I'm
talking, you know, mixologybartending okay yeah, absolutely
okay.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
well, I think you're slow, she's a mixologist.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I'm a mixologist I think you're slow, what?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, either that, or every time I've come in where
you were working.
I was talking to you Shut it.
No, that's not correct.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I knew I was going to get a good tip anyway.
So what's it?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, no kidding, no, kidding You're.
It's like she takes all day andI know it's because she wants
me to stay there and justobserve her and be with her.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, I'm lonely behind the bar.
Get the creeps away, you knowwhat.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
About you, dr Domain?
What do you think your skill,one of your skills, is?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I thought I just mentioned it.
No, that's a talent.
Oh, that's a talent, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Okay, so remember, a skill is something that's
learned, it's developed anddemonstratable, and so over time
you would develop that skillyeah.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I think it goes.
I think that what he talkedabout would go for skills too,
because being mechanicallyinclined I mean, you do have to
learn new parts and hone in oncertain things.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Do you think that's true, Dr Domey?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Sure, let's go with that.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Okay, well, you think about it for a minute, because
I'm sure you have other skills,and I will say not only
mechanical skills that you'velearned and you've honed.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Cooking.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Cooking skills.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Dealing with mom.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Dealing with me.
That's a skill set that is askill set, because he's very
calm.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Oh, I've seen it, I've seen it, I've seen it.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You know I'd like him to get excited and he don't
Like, why don't you get mad atme?
Yeah, I think I think a lot ofthat skills.
I think if I had to think abouta skill that, I have.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I think I'm a good leader.
I do.
I think that comes naturallywith your talent, though, too,
like with your presence, yourcommanding of a room and able to
and I get this from you too isthe ability to speak on
someone's level.
So you know, you walk into aroom full of business people,
you're going to have a differentlevel of speech and recognition
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for those people than you do ifyou walk into a neighborhood
barbecue and command you knowthe presence of those people.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, that's adjusting to your audience and I
think that's really importantand I think you know, being a
good leader to me is not being agood manager in a business.
Anybody can manage people butnot everybody can lead them.
And you know I always told myguys uh, when I was working, you
know, if you're in the fire,I'm in the fire with you.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Right and I will.
And a lot of managers aren'tlike that.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
They say, if you're in the fire, I'm going to tell
you what to do from up here,Right, and I was in the fire
with them.
And the other thing is, is Iwent to bat for my people, Right
?
I?
I mean, if I really and truly,you know, felt that I needed to,
I would jeopardize whatever ittook just to and not to be nasty
, not to, you know cause I, youhave to take your marching
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orders too, right?
No matter what, you take yourmarching orders and nobody's
paying my bills with me, and sothey don't really care whether
or not I get paid or whether Iget fired.
They do not, but I think a goodleader has the ability to
influence people.
They have the ability to helppeople see the different
perspectives.
I think they also have theability to not make people walk
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out of their office or walk awaywith their tail tucked between
their legs just because theymade a mistake.
You know, a mistake does not abad person make.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, leaders have more of teaching moments rather
than reprimand moments.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And I think that's true and I think that you know.
I also told my folks that youknow, as I'm developing you or
helping you, I want you to bethe leader.
I want you to be.
Because, one day you may be myboss, right?
And if you're going to be myboss, here's the things I want
you to do as my boss, and so itwas really important for me to
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to make sure that that I was agood leader.
So, as we talked about, uh,talent is kind of innate and
inborn skill is acquired throughpractice.
Do you play an instrument now,bobby?
I don't now.
No, no, no.
Dr domain, do you?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
now no, I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
I always wanted to play the piano, yeah, but they
said, if you, I?
I had heard one time that ifyou were really good at math,
you could be good at instrumentsyeah, music, you're playing
instruments yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
What instrument?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
air guitar oh you know, but that band split up, so
my air guitar has been in theshop for a little while and and
so, yeah, I was playing the airguitar.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yes, I can play a few songs on the piano, um nothing
where I can do like, likechopsticks well, no like um like
first noel, no like my chemicalromance.
Uh, welcome to the black parade, things like that, um.
But you know my son, I boughthim his very first guitar last
year and he know he's never hada lesson, he's never, you know,
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gone to a teacher or anythinglike that.
He basically looked up onyoutube and things like that on
how to play.
This kid is good yeah I mean heis freaking amazing I know for
having zero lessons or anythinglike that.
I mean he just picked it up andjust ran with it.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, so he kind of blew my mind on that when he got
the guitar, and then my othergrandson he is also talented in
that way.
And I think I told this storybefore.
I think I don't even rememberhow old he was he must have been
about 12 years old and hewanted a violin.
Yeah, and I bought it for himfor Christmas and he wanted it
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early, so I gave it to him twoweeks early and he came to
Christmas and the whole familywas there and I said hey, buddy,
have you learned anything onyour guitar?
He goes.
Yeah, I brought it with me yourviolin, yeah, guitar, yeah your
violin, he goes.
Yeah, I brought it with me and Isaid do you want to?
I said do you know a full song?
He goes.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I know 22 of them yeah and he had, he had taught
himself and my oldest picked itup after him.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, and sat there for I don't know how long.
We were all looking at eachother like 22 and two weeks and
the kid never had a lesson he'dnever you know, and so in that
respect, and he plays the guitaralso yeah, they're both super
talented as it relates to that.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
So, yeah, yeah, nice, yeah, I, I, I know one skill
that all three of us havesitting here that we've acquired
is motorcycle riding.
That is true, I mean, that's askill that not a lot of people
have.
I mean, a lot of people drive,a lot of people ride bikes, a
lot of people can do things likethat, but motorcycles a whole
nother beast.
And all three of us, for mostof our lives, have ridden
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motorcycles yeah, Because Ishoot.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I've been riding since I was 12.
So yeah.
And the first time I got on mystepmom's motorcycle I think I
was 11 or 12 riding around thecemetery yeah, that's cool, yeah
, so, um, also, as it relates totalent, you know, let's look at
effort.
Typically, with talent you have, little effort is required
because you are automaticallytalented with skill.
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Um, that's kind of requiresdedication and practice to
develop and then developmentitself.
A talent is kind of requiresdedication and practice to
develop and then developmentitself.
A talent is kind of a gift thatexists without any effort.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, so like the talent thing, talent versus
skill thing would be like likeme with my art.
I had a lot of natural talentbut I did hone those skills,
like in stained glass art andclay pottery, things like that,
where I did expand what I hadalready known or had already
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been doing into new areas.
And it did, it took.
It took a lot of practice, alot, especially with the stained
glass, Cause man, that stuff'shard.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, and your dad kind of helped teach you.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
He was the whole reason.
I even picked up stained glass.
He did some really up stainedglass yeah he did some really
nice stained glass.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Oh, he's amazing at it, yeah and and that's the
stained glass was actually whatwon the art competition that
year so, you know, as as wethink about talent and skill,
again, I go back to a lot ofyoutubes that we see, or a lot
of reels that we see, and we'vetalked about this before a lot,
lot of people who can sing anddance.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
When you get old, you got two moves when you're
dancing Okay, it's side to side,and then kind of a little
bounce and that's it.
That's all you got, cause I'venever seen anybody my age or
around my age do anythingdifferent Doing the Carlton yeah
, it's side to side and a littlebounce.
That's all we got going on.
And so when you see these reelsof these people who are doing
(21:25):
these dances and stuff, I havegotten up and thought I can do
that.
I used to be able to do theCharleston and all that business
.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
We used to swing, dance you used to make me swing
dance in the living room withyou and all that business.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
We used to swing dance.
You used to make me swing dancein the living room with you and
I used to.
I used to do two-stepping anddouble two-stepping and you know
line dancing and everythingelse yeah now it's like okay,
did I put my shoes on upsidedown and both you know wrong
feet.
I'm not really sure whathappened here.
We just forgot.
Yeah, we kind of forgot yeah sobut I do watch some of those,
and just the talent of thesepeople is so remarkable A lot of
(22:00):
people who have never had asinging lesson, who have never,
ever been taught music.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
But taught themselves and it's raw, it's pure talent,
because they don't have thevoice correctors, they don't
have the expensive microphonesor the setups, they don't have
the soundproof rooms that a lotof artists have.
They're in their bedroom ontheir iPhone with a tiny little
microphone singing and it soundsthat amazing, without any
(22:30):
interruption from any kind ofelectronics.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
It's just, it's pure, pure something as simple as
some of these influencers orthese folks on youtube who are
just showing you how to put onmakeup okay, I need that though
and I think I and I've wornmakeup my whole life, right?
Yeah, I can't put it on likethey put it on right I can sit
there and watch this and it'slike why am I not able?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
to do that.
Well, I've said, you know oneof my favorite podcasters who
also has a youtube channel,bailey sarian.
Yeah, she does the murdermysteries and makeup and she
goes through a murder podcastwhile doing her makeup and I
just sit there and look at herand go god, I wish I had that, I
wish I could do that and I'vetried.
I have.
I have zero talent with makeup,unless it's looking like my
(23:15):
face got ripped off.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
To do those two things.
I have a hard time talking andswallowing.
I have to stop.
I have to stop to swallow.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
And then sometimes I choke and she just, I mean, she
makes it look so effortless andit's just, her makeup is just so
amazing.
And a lot of these women's are,and even guys, guys who have
these YouTube channels wherethey actually show how to put on
, you know, foundation oreyeliner, things like that, and
I'm just like I'm lucky if Idon't poke my eyeball out if I
(23:44):
wear eyeliner like there'sactual danger.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You poke yourself with a mascara brush and you're
done for the day.
It's over.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I have one eye who has mascara, one that doesn't.
I'm going out of the house.
I don't care.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Just watching some of this, I get blown away.
And it isn't just the singingor playing an instrument, some
of it's poetry, yeah, and I.
Oh, there's a skill.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I have yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Poetry.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I forgot.
So my brother writes poetry too, yep, and for years and years
and years he's written poetryand he used to uh recite this
poetry at christmas.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, he used to do the christmas.
They were pretty funny, oh, I,they were pretty funny.
Yeah, I miss those, and he dida good job.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Well, all that time I've been writing poetry, right.
Well, I built up a bank, butunfortunately that uh bank of
poetry was left at my job and ofcourse they delete everything
out of those files.
So I lost all that poetry.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So I started rewriting and now I'm not happy
with how I'm writing.
But yeah, I do write poetry.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I think that's because poetry is more of a.
You use the in the moment orthe emotion at the time and you
can't relive that.
You can go back and revisit ityeah, but you can't ever have
that emotion that you have atthe time.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Maybe sometime I will read one of my poems online On
online On the air, on the air,on the air as long as you don't
sing, I'm good with it, bobby.
You know, I love you Bobby.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Okay, I'm out.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Okay, well, that's all I've got for today anyway.
So you know, I just wanted tothank everybody for being here
with us today.
That is it, and we appreciateyou joining us at the Rabbit
Hole Studio.
Be sure to follow us.
We look forward to spendingtime with you each week and even
(25:39):
if I have to sing it, I'm gonnado okay.
Anyway, please like us.
That's not one of my skills,absolutely not, no, no, not at
all man that's hurtful.
So please like us, and if youhave positive feedback for us,
you know what to do.
Send that off to us.
If you have a topic you want usto talk about, let us know, and
we'd sure like to know whatyour talent or skill is, whether
(25:59):
it's baking, cooking, gardening, whatever that is.
Oh man, I've seen some reallycool gardens and gardening.
Uh, there's a lot of workinvolved in that, but anyway,
drop us a short email at boomerand jan extra at gmailcom.
If you have hate mail, whereshould they bury that bobby?
up the butt okay, uh, so I'mjane burke and I'm bobby joy and
(26:25):
you're stuck with us peace outlater.
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