What happens to our energy when we die? Does it simply disappear, or does it transform into something else—perhaps even something we might recognize as a ghost? Mother-daughter podcast hosts Jane and Bobbi Joy tackle these fascinating questions in this captivating exploration of the paranormal.
The conversation begins with some surprising statistics—a solid majority of Americans believe in at least one paranormal phenomenon—before diving into personal experiences that defy logical explanation. Bobbi shares the remarkable story of her daughter repeatedly playing with "Kitty," a woman the child described in perfect detail as Bobby's grandmother, despite never having seen photos or heard stories about her. Jane recounts several chilling premonitions, including the unforgettable moment she felt a presence pass through her, only to receive a phone call thirty minutes later confirming that exact person had died.
The conversation weaves between skepticism and belief, science and spirituality, fear and fascination. Whether you've had your own unexplainable encounter or you're simply curious about what might exist beyond our understanding, this episode offers both compelling stories and thought-provoking perspectives. Share your own ghost stories with us—we're dying to hear them!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome everyone to today's show.
A boomer and a Gen Xer walkinto a bar, coming to you from
the rabbit hole studio, whereyou, as our listener, will
experience some wit and wisdom,some smart assery and a mother
and daughter questioning.
Are we even related?
My name is Bobbi Joy and myco-host is my mom, jane, and we
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are here to entertain you forthe next few minutes at least.
How are you, mom?
I'm good, bobbi, thanks forasking.
How are you?
I'm good.
So I'm walking down to thestudio today and I noticed that
you have something new in yourliving room.
Oh my goodness, yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And I'm certain that you have some comments about it
I do so let's tell everybodywhat you did so what did you do?
I had a bigger kind of pit ummodular, modular um sofa in the
living room couch davenport inthe living room and we got rid
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of it and we got a regular sofa,leather sofa, that's got the
recliners and all that business.
And you made some smart asscomment about it.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, I did, because you know the modular couch I
mean could maybe not socomfortably, you know fit all of
the grandkids and kids when wecome over for holidays.
And now it's you go in thereand you look and it's saying
guess what, kids, you're onlyhere for dinner and get out
because there ain't nowhere tosit.
There ain't nowhere to sitanymore.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Tick, tock yeah, uh, I'll give you dinner, but, uh,
you know, stand for dessert.
How about that?
I don't need anybody gettingcomfortable.
No, actually, um, you know wehave a low profile couch in
there or you know pit kind ofthing, and I just it wasn't
comfortable for us, although itdid allow for a lot of seating.
It's just something that didn'twork for us to hold your
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hundred grandkids.
Yeah, yeah oh, my goodness, soanyway.
So, oh, so, oh, I got to telleverybody.
So again we're in the Midwest.
The wind today was crazy.
It's horrible.
It's like you know it used tobe Chicago was a windy city.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
No, no, no.
We are the sister or the queenof wind.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, and you know, it's like Iowa either you're 100
degrees and soaking in humidity, or it's so windy you can't
even open your eyes against it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
There's no in between .
Yeah, or it's 30 to 40 belowwind chill factor.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Come to Iowa.
Let's not say that, because wecould still get snow, that's
true.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Let's not say that we have gotten snow in late April
before.
So, Bobby, we have a prettyinteresting topic today.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
We do, and today's topic is going to delve deep
into the afterlife.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Do you believe in ghosts, ghosts, ghosts.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Ooh, I'm in your house.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
My call is coming from inside the house.
Oh wait, that's kind of justcreepy.
That's not really a ghostthat's like killer stalker yeah
Speaker 1 (03:09):
yeah okay, you know, and I kind of wonder why you
know we see all these or we hearabout all these ghosts and
everything, and they're likefrom oh, 1700s, 1800s, you know,
early 1900s.
You don't hear of a ghost in2025 that kicks down your door
and goes it's Britney bitch,like why that's the ghost.
I want.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, and also yeah, because they say oh, what was
you?
What was the ghost wearingVictorian clothing, or you know?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
do they issue it on the other side?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
civil war clothing and it's like why isn't there
anything from before that orafter that?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
you know, why isn't some punk rocker, you know, know
, haunting my house or something, or some mom with moon boots
and a fur coat Like come on now.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That's right, but so we're going to talk about do you
believe in ghosts?
Yeah, do you believe?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
in ghosts.
Do you believe in ghosts?
So I got a statistic for you.
So I got a statistic for you.
Did you know?
A solid majority of adults inthe United States actually
believe in one kind ofparanormal or supernatural
phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And you know what's interesting is there's a lot of
reality shows now that are ghostchasers.
There's whole channels thatcan't be explained, and so they
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can they attribute it to theparanormal, and so we're going
to talk about this a little bit.
So are there different kinds ofghosts, do you think?
I think there are I think thatthere are poltergeist,
poltergeist apparition.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I think that there's also imprintation or loops where
it's not an active haunting,it's just something that kind of
was imprinted on a place or athing and just kind of relives
the same moment over and overagain.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
They get attached either to a house a house.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
A house, don't you know?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I was gonna say home and then I thought maybe I'll go
with house.
They get attached.
You think we've been drinking,you know, um, but you get
attached to a house or to apiece of furniture.
Yeah, or even creepier to apiece of furniture, yeah, or
even creepier, to a doll.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah or God forbid a person I know they follow that
person around or they followthem around.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So have you ever?
Do you think, bobby, thatyou've ever been in a haunted
house?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I grew up in one.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You didn't grow up in one.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Oh, yes, I did on the cemetery.
No, you didn't.
Yes, ma'am that wasn't reallyhot, okay, okay listen, my room
was in the basement and no onewould be home and I would hear
footsteps going down thathallway.
Nobody's there, can't tell methat's not haunted.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So bobby's dad uh was a uh sexton.
Yes, he took care of thecemetery and the cemetery was
crossroad from us and also tothe site of our, the home that
we lived in, and I will admitthere were some activities that
did occur in that house Nothingthreatening ever.
No, no, no you know, I don'tremember having any threatening
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activities at all and, as asyou're aware, my mom was
clairvoyant, had a littleclairvoyancy, a little bit, a
little bit.
I have a little bit of it, um,your sister has a teeny tiny bit
of it and so sometimes we werekind of like is that happening
to us because of some gift thatwe were given, uh, or some?
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You know, is it some type ofspirit or whatever?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's having that empath aura around you.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Where you can feel it more than anything.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And my whole thing these girls can attest to it and
actually many people can thathave been around me is, over the
years, what's happened with meis sometimes I would get a
fleeting thought and it would betrue.
And so when I would call mygirls and say, hey, you know, as
an example, where's Corey?
Yeah, are you okay?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Is Corey, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And Bobby immediately would go oh my gosh.
You know, please, mom, whathappened and you know, I'd just
say let's just say a prayer andlet's put a light around him.
You know, let's just protecthim here real quick, because I
never knew right and but a lotof the things that had come to
me, as you know, just thoughts,they were very fleeting thoughts
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really did happen and I'll talkabout some of those uh with you
and and you're aware of them.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
But, yeah, our listeners are not so, um, and
it's more of a feeling with me,like when you got thrown from
liberty and liberty was aClydesdale saddle, yeah and she
got spooked by that.
Uh, what was it?
A rat, snake or something likethat.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
No, there were ball snakes, bull snake okay yep, she
got spooked and you got thrown.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And, yeah, I immediately was.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I was like, oh man, something's wrong, something's
really wrong so I'm gonna gointo a few of those things so
that people can understand.
You know just how weird and howweird we are, we are as a
family.
So let's talk about some ghosts.
So I'm really kind ofinterested.
Yeah, you know from our, ourlisteners, whether or not
they've ever had any experiences, and we would really love to
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hear from y'all absolutely onthis topic, even if it's just
something that you know, you onthis topic, even if it's just
something that you know, you'renot really sure, but it was just
something, maybe a thought thatcame to mind, or whatever, but
we know that there's really noscientific evidence, correct?
So we know that.
You know, centuries ofscientific research, uh, haven't
found any evidence to supportany existence of ghosts or
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paranormal activities.
Now, you know Dr Domaine and Ibeing very strong in the faith,
we know that there's a HolyGhost, right, so we believe in
that ghost and angels.
There are some angels you know,that we're aware of in our
faith.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
But are angels really ghosts?
Because I was always taughtthat angels never walked the
earth.
They weren't human forms.
So would they really beconsidered ghosts or would they
be considered more of an entity?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Great question, Because you know the Bible talks
about demons also, Right, andyou know how do those come to
you?
Sometimes they can come inhuman form, Sometimes they can
come in other manifestations.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So I think this would be like a separate column from
ghosts.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I do too, yeah so let's kind of stick to the ghost
side of it.
Um, for the paranormal activity, um, I think that you know many
individuals do believe inghosts, based on, sometimes,
their personal experiences andthen stories or even cultural
beliefs, because the furthersouth you go, let's face it,
they are definitely, uh, intoghosts yep, would you agree?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
dr domain they got the hoodoo and the voodoo, yeah
I was looking for a house downsouth in savannah area and um
connected with this realtor whowas a native of the area and she
was, uh, was well-known in thearea for having a really good
understanding of the area, andso we're looking at these houses
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and I happened to go in and Ilook up and I just noticed that
the ceiling was blue and I'vebeen thinking of it.
And after about the third orfourth house, I looked up into
the patio area and the ceilingwas blue and I was like, uh,
excuse me, ma'am, why we've beenin like three or four houses
and all the ceilings before youenter the door are blue and
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she's like honey child, that'suh, that's hate blue.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yes, that was a terrible impression.
Did you want me to do that foryou?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
honey darling, that is called haint blue and uh,
it's like what, what is that?
And it's to keep the haints out, and they would see it as blue
sky, and then they would followthat instead of coming in your
house, keep the spirits out,yeah, but very very.
Yeah, there's a lot of voodoo, alot of.
I mean, you go down to savannah, you get ghost tours, a lot of
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civil war type of hauntings andwhat.
In the area that I was livingin in fort mcallister they had a
lot of battles in that area andthey were known for a lot of
ghost sightings and things likethat yeah, and you go on down to
norlands and of course you knowthey oh, the cemetery tours and
everything.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's just, it's just very interesting and so you know
I I can't say that when I wasin savannah with you or down
south that I ever reallyexperienced any things.
Mine usually ends up being moreof a feeling, and so you know
we talked about ghost hunting.
While ghost hunting is kind ofa popular activity, the methods
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used are kind of considered whatdo we want to say?
Pseudoscience, yeah, andthere's no real credible
evidence to support any of theirclaims or that their equipment
actually works.
Yeah.
I mean, have you watched some?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
of those, Bob, I have .
Well, actually I have a spiritbox at home that my dad bought
me.
What's?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
a spirit box.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So a spirit box is?
It's a tool that I guess theykind of made for ghost hunting
and what it does is it scanshundreds of different
frequencies at a rapid pace.
And what, supposedly I'm goingto say supposedly, because
there's no scientific evidence.
I'm going to say supposedly,because there's no scientific
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evidence Supposedly it's used tocommunicate with any kind of
entities or spirits that wish tocommunicate by using the
different frequencies.
Sure, and so you'll hear wordspop up and things like that when
you ask it questions.
But I got that many years agoand there's a pretty famous
hotel in Perry that I used towork at called the Hotel Pate or
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Patee however you want to sayit, very old hotel, very rich
history, and anybody who'sworked there knows that that
basement is definitely there'ssomething going on down there,
and so there was quite a fewtimes that I actually went down
there with the spirit box and myheadphones in and just sat
there and listened.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
So I stayed at the Hotel Patee before, never had
any experiences.
It's a cool hotel.
It is If you ever make it toIowa.
It's a super old hotel.
I don't know what year it wasbuilt, but it was empty for a
long time.
It was built but somebody.
It was empty for a long time.
Um, some investors came in andspent millions of dollars to
refurbish this particular hoteland it's pretty darn cool.
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They have theme rooms in.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yes, every room is a different theme.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, I'm getting a little off base there, but yeah,
um.
So where do you think is themost reported haunted areas that
people have ever been to?
That they were battlefields.
It is civil war battlefields.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I would have said graveyards no civil war
battlefields, because it's goingto be where their energy had
the most trauma, and the mosttrauma would have been on that
battlefield and the surroundingareas, because a lot of the
surrounding houses were madeinto field hospitals so that's
where I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I mean, I would have not guessed that.
I would have guessed, you knowthe graveyards and it is the
battlefields.
What about structures?
What kind of structures do youthink are the most haunted?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Asylums and hospitals .
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Actually hotels, hotels.
Yeah, the Stanley Hotel, youknow about Stanley Hotel.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, stanley hotel and the one in los angeles, the
cecil hotel.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, that one's pretty big one, yeah now there
is a penitentiary eastern statepenitentiary and, uh, you know,
penitentiaries are pretty goodfor, um, not really seeing the
visions of anyone but hearingthe noises right and having the
communication through some ofthe you know squawk boxes that
you're right that you'll talkabout um gettysburg.
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Gettysburg, huge, huge, huge.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Um the lizzie borden house yes, yep, the lizzie
borden house and veliska axemurder house.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Oh yeah, in iowa, yeah you know there's
documentaries out there and ifyou get the opportunity, if
you're even at the slightestinterested in these things,
there's a lot of documentariesout there.
Uh, related to these.
One that I thought was superinteresting was the winchester
house oh, I would die to seethat.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I mean, I probably have to die to see it, but yeah,
that is definitely one that ison my.
Top of my bucket list is thewinchester house the winchester
house is everyone is probablyaware.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Uh, the winchester guns, right, and they were
actually made for the war.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yep, um, they were the, the original um, it was
back when they were uh settlingthe land, fighting for the west.
A A lot of Native Americansdied by their guns, right.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And so Sarah Winchester, the wife of Mr
Winchester, the heir to theWinchester fortune she started
building the Winchester houseand it is full of doors and the
reason for that is because shewent to a psychic all the time,
yep, and the psychic hadconvinced her that, um, you know
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, she continued to build andcontinued to have doors whereby
the spirits could escape, thatthat would kind of be
retribution for what her husbandhad done by providing all of
the guns right that killed somany people, and it is.
It's a pretty cool place.
Um, you know, there's hundredsof rooms.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I guess it's like seven stories high yep and um,
and there's staircases to noplace, there's doors that open
to straight drops.
There are, I mean just, andthey're still finding, from what
I last heard up to today,they're still finding doors and
rooms in this house that theyhad not previously known were
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there and that particular, um,that particular mansion is in
San Jose, california.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yep, so if you're ever in that area, folks, I'd be
there, you'd be there.
So, um, what else related toghosts, bobby?
So do you ever get the feelingof ghosts being around you?
Well, before we go into that,have you?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
ever seen any.
Before we go into that you knowyou were talking about that
there hasn't really been anyscientific evidence of ghosts or
spirits, things like that.
There kind of have been studieson it because they did a study
through thermodynamics, andanybody who knows the study of
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thermodynamics, if I could talkknows that energy cannot be
created nor destroyed.
Now, we as humans and otherecosystems, are not closed
energy sources.
We're open systems systems.
So that means that we areconstantly exchanging energy
with our surroundings.
Now what they wanted to know isat our death, what happens to
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our energy?
Because it doesn't justdisappear, it's not destroyed,
it doesn't just magically goaway, and so they actually have
done quite a few studies on thatand a lot of people have linked
that with, like, maybe the soulleaving your body, type of
thing or but what it is is it'sit's literally energy, it's
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energy distribution, it's energy, um, that comes from your body
and goes out into the universe.
Where does it go?
What does it do?
We're not sure, but we knowit's there right.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And the other thing is is not only will energy leave
us, energy can enter us,correct.
And so you know, biblicallyagain, we look at that as being
either some type of, you know,positive spirit or demonic
spirit, and so we do know thatthat can be measured, because
they have measured that correct,correct.
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And so, um, then I have to askyou do you believe in ghosts,
bobby?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I do.
I do through personalexperience.
Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And so when I say, do you believe in ghosts?
And you say yes, Are we talkingabout an energy force?
Are we talking about somebodywho walked the face of this
earth and you think that theycame back?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I think that there are quite a few different ways
of thinking about it, and I'veexperienced quite a few ways of
them thinking about it, and I'veexperienced quite a few ways of
them.
Um, you know, I've I'vepersonally experienced what I
call like a a free will ghost,which would be a ghost that
could come in and, instead ofreplaying a certain scenario or
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scene over and over again, theyactually have the free will to
interact with a living being oran object within this realm.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, if you'd get a smaller sofa.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
So what would your name be?
As a ghost, would you have aname?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
oh that's a good one.
What would your name?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
well, I can tell you this story I want to hear give
me your best pickup line as aghost ready go.
I don't even have one.
Oh, that's so lame oh, mygoodness like hey, baby, you
want to share them sheets?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
or I can see right through you.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I know you want me right, but I mean, I can share
this story about what I believewas like a free energy spirit,
and and it's it's one that whenmy daughter, joey, uh, who's now
almost 19,.
No, she is 19.
Sorry, um, she was about two orthree years old and at this
point my father's mother hadpassed quite a few years before
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that.
She never got to meet my kids,and my father's mother was a big
component of my childhood.
She was always around, I wasalways with her, and so I had an
apartment over in the oldneighborhood where she had lived
and I could walk in one day andI'm, you know, watching her
play and talk to somebody andI'm like who are you talking to?
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And she goes kitty.
And I said, oh, you're playingwith kitty cat.
She goes no, kitty.
And I was like what?
Like this child has never heardof my grandmother at this point
.
And so it was like a year laterand she does it again and I'm
like what do you mean kitty?
And she goes kitty's over there.
And I was like, well, who'skitty?
And she goes kitty the lady.
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And I was like no, we're notplaying this game because you,
because I'm freaked out at thispoint, but I hand to God.
She described my grandmother,the big glasses she used to wear
, her curly hair, the fact thatshe was so short.
She's a short little kitty,that's what she said.
She's a short little kitty, buther name Kitty, and I was just
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like.
This child has never, ever seena photo of my grandmother.
She has never heard us refer tomy grandmother as Kitty.
It was always Meemaw.
Never, ever seen a photo of mygrandmother.
She has never heard us refer tomy grandmother as kitty.
It was always me, ma, and hereshe is playing with kitty.
That's interesting, and I wasjust I was.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
That's the first time I've heard that story.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I hadn't even I've never told anybody that story?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I hadn't heard that she remembers it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
She still remembers it to this day.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So you feel that you had kind of an experience with
that or one of the kids did whatabout you dr domain.
Do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
yeah, I think we touched on that a little bit.
I believe in the holy ghost.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, absolutely what about ghosts that stay here on
earth or stay with us, uh, aseither energy forces or people
that you know.
A lot of times, people say youknow, our angels were around us.
Or, um, there were angels thatwere protected, protecting you,
and is that a previous life?
Or is that an angel that was,you know, made before we know
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when they were?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I don't know well, I think it's possible.
I mean, there's there's a lotof souls that have been you know
been on this earth and there'slikely some type of spirits that
you here that are present,whether they're angels or other
types of souls.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Have you ever had an experience where you thought
that you saw a ghost, or youthought that you experienced
some type of spirit and it wasmore than just a bump in the
night?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
No, I don't think I've seen anything.
I've heard things.
Okay, like I've heard reallydistinctly my mother's voice.
Okay, yeah, okay, and it justwas kind of out of the blue.
I just heard some things and itwas she has a very distinct
voice and I could.
I could hear that and I knew itwas her.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
yeah so I mean, for me, I've had so many experiences
, it's crazy.
But, um, you know, I I dorecall, you know, my mom.
I remember I had an aunt lightyand we didn't have a phone when
I was growing up, and neitherdid a lot of my relatives.
I mean, we were all out in thecountry and we just didn't.
We were poor, we didn't havephones.
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And I remember my mom, you know, having situations where she
would say things and we werelike how'd you know that?
And, um, I remember her comingin one night and she said you
need to get up.
Get up, because my aunt Lightylived in Knoxville.
And she said we need to go.
Aunt Lighty died.
And it was like how do you know?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, I didn't hear a phone ring.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Nobody came to the door and she said Aunt Lighty
just died and we had to go andshe did just die.
And you know some of thosethings I have had and at first
it would scare me and then itwas like, oh no, because use
your powers for good and notevil.
But I mean I could tell you afew things.
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I was living on a farm duringmy last marriage and I remember
when I first got up there hesaid, uh, this house is haunted.
And I go well, bring it on.
You know, cause I don't reallybelieve in that crap.
I mean, you know, and, and eventhough I'd had a lot of
experiences, I said, just bringit on.
And there were so many things.
(24:54):
I mean just I remember cleaningout a closet that was under the
staircase and I was pullingeverything out and something
whispered in my ear and I turnedaround, real quick thinking was
somebody in there with me?
Yeah, and I thought, no, I musthave been imagining it.
(25:15):
And pretty soon, I mean I feltthat breath on my ear and in
that house and that one kind offreaked me out, because that was
like the first time.
And then we just there were somany other things that occurred
in that house.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Well, not only in the house but outside the house,
like when the corn would gettall.
You could see people walkingthrough the corn.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
No, I couldn't really see people walking through the
corn.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Well, not people you could see where the corn was
moving, like people were walkingthrough it.
I saw it.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And it was kind of interesting because you know, he
kept saying, oh, you know Ihave ghosts and I go, okay, oh
there, you know I have ghostsand I go, okay, all right.
Yeah, one of the othersituations is his son, uh,
bought a house up around thecorner from us and the man who
had lived there died the weekbefore and that was the reason
why we were buying this farm.
(26:01):
You know, his son wanted to buyit.
He wanted, I think it was like15 acres or some something, and
and we walked into the house,old house, and I always felt
stuff.
And I walked into the house andmy ex-husband looked at me
because I kind of stepped in thedoorway and just stood there
for a minute and he said do youfeel something?
(26:23):
And I go, I don't know, and Ikind of just kept standing there
and he goes, is he here?
And I said no, he's with hisdaughter and I didn't know he
had a daughter yeah I didn'tknow.
The old boy had a daughter andmy ex-husband went white.
He said how would you haveknown he even had a daughter?
She passed away five years agoand so.
(26:45):
But there's so many stories Icould tell you.
And I don't tell people thesestories because I expect them to
believe me, because, quitefrankly, I care less whether you
do it well you get a one-wayticket to the uh asylum yourself
at that point but um you know,I have seen some things, uh
definitely.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Have you ever seen the hat man?
Man?
No, you laugh, you laugh.
Where is it?
It's not, it's not funny.
So, um, a lot of times you knowhow you see like shadows in the
corner of your eye, like maybeit's fleeting, and you don't
really know if you've seen it ornot.
(27:23):
Well, there's actually.
It's really really, really old.
They call it an urban legend.
It's not an urban legendbecause there's no way all these
people are describing the samething.
So they think that it's betweenwhere you wake and you sleep,
kind of in coming out of a REMmode yeah.
(27:48):
And he's called the hat manbecause he's just a dark figure
that wears like a fedora hat,but it's.
He's been seen in some reallyhaunted places.
I saw him in Poltergeist butlike, even like Bobby Mackey's
and stuff before it was torndown.
You know people, it's a realphenomenon and a lot of it, I
think, is people seeing theshadow.
(28:10):
You know the dark shadowfigures moving, yeah, but there
have been people you know for avery long time that have
specifically described this,that have never heard of other
people describing it, and alltheir descriptions are matching
up.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Now, you know, I used to, you know, believe in having
your palm read and, you know,going to see a psychic and
things like that.
Oracles and psychics, orbs, youmean Oracle, oh.
But after becoming a little bitmore familiar with my spiritual
side of life, I definitelydon't believe in that stuff.
(28:46):
But I have had so manyexperiences that I do believe
that there's energy forces.
And I've told you kids, youknow, when I die it's nothing
but a zip code change to me.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I'm moving on.
When I die, I'll be the onechasing you up the stairs at
night when you shut the lightoff.
Trust me.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
So I'm going to tell you and I really want our
listeners to think about thisand think about I don't want to
scare them, but you know, I dothink, but listen, I have a list
.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
After I die, I'm coming for you, okay.
Well, okay, I'll be in thecorner.
I'll already be dead, so youknow I don't have to worry about
it.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You might want to just be a little nicer to me.
I'm just saying that because mytime comes before yours.
Oh, bring it.
But you know, one of the otherthings that had occurred and I'm
just going to mention this realquick because it was kind of
bizarre for me and it wasprobably the one that scared me
(29:46):
the most was my ex-husbandfarmed for a guy, and I won't
mention his name, old guy, oldguy.
We called him Pete.
I won't tell you it wasn't evenhis name, but we called him
Pete.
And he went into a home and Ihad said to my ex I said, hey,
have you seen Pete?
(30:07):
Because he usually went to seehim like maybe every two weeks.
He says, no, I haven't, Ihaven't gotten to see him for a
while.
And I said, oh, you probablyneed to go see him, you know.
And, uh, a week went by and Isaid, hey, did you ever go up
and see Pete?
And he said, no, not yet.
And I said make it soon.
And then on a Wednesday thiswas on Wednesday I said, hey,
(30:31):
you know, if you haven't gone tosee Pete yet, you need to go
see him.
And he goes yeah, yeah, I'lltry to do that by the end of the
week.
And I said, okay, on Friday Isat straight up in bed in the
early in the morning I can'tremember the time straight up in
bed and I go Pete just died.
(30:53):
And he goes what?
And I said Pete just died.
And he said how did you knowthat?
And I said I felt him gothrough me.
Now, why he would ever gothrough me and whether he did or
didn't is irrelevant.
That's what I felt.
30 minutes later his daughtercalled and said pete just died.
And it shook me.
(31:13):
I mean it really shook mebecause that was the first time
that I'd felt something likethat.
And again, I don't tell peoplethis stuff.
As a matter of fact, this isthe first time.
You've probably heard that one,bobby, yeah you got that grandma
dickie juju but you know it'snot something that you talk
about, because most people lookat you like you're crazy and I
(31:34):
am crazy, and so you know thatjust kind of pushed me over the
over the edge.
But, um, dr domain, did youhave any stories other than what
you've shared with us thatmaybe you would suspect it to be
I don't know a sixth sense?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Have you ever thought about it?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, I've thought about it, you know, was that
premonition?
Yeah, probably premonition, Idon't know.
I never really associated itwith that.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I mean, you always had the, not a premonition, but
we always had like the childhoodthings, like there were certain
things that were haunted, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
With the haunted bridge.
Yeah, the haunted bridge.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
The house with seven ladders, and all that creepy
stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So let me ask you this because, Bobby, I already
know your answer to this.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
And then the haunted houses, which you were my
defender, you and I and yoursisters all went to those when
we were younger.
And so let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
We were going to the haunted house.
We would go to the hauntedhouses.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Jane was there and she was like stiff-arming all
the monsters I did stay awayfrom us.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Stay away from us she was really yeah so, um, you
know, I I would really wantpeople to kind of think about
this, because I truly believethere are energies out there,
good, bad or indifferent.
I do believe that there'senergy.
I don't know what it is.
I have no answers to any ofthat business.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Well, I can say that I mean there's houses I won't
walk in.
There's houses that I feel sickin know just from the energy
yeah and I did too.
I have all I have to do is rollup in the driveway and be like
nope, sorry, yeah, I ain't doingit, I ain't going in there.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I could tell kind of a interesting story about when
my sister died here five yearsago, and you already know that
story and that that one was uhboy, that was a shaker too.
But would you.
So let me ask you this.
I'll start with Dr Domain.
Would you spend the night in ahaunted house that someone or
it's very well known, theStanley Hotel?
(33:39):
Would you spend the night inthe Stanley Hotel or in a
haunted what they would claim tobe a haunted hotel?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Would the bed be?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
comfortable.
Does it have magic?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
fingers?
Yeah, does it have one of those?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
quarter things does it have cable?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
would I?
Yeah, what?
What am I getting in return?
You get to sleep at the hotel Iget, I get the experience you
might get to experience.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Uh, I don't see a need for that.
I could sleep in my own bed.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
No, I don't.
I mean, if you're like, ifthere's some incentive.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You feel like there's spirits in your bed.
If I had no other options likeI'm.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I'm on a deserted island and it's the only haunted
house On an island.
Yeah, I guess that would be myonly option.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Would you, bobby, would you stay in a haunted
house?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I would, but I can guarantee you that I would not
be sleeping.
Uh, there's no.
There would be no sleephappening.
I'd probably sit in the cornerwith my eyes wide open the whole
night, but absolutely I wouldstay there, yeah absolutely yeah
, or just for the just to getthe sticker at the end of the
tour, you know I like stickers.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
So when I lived on the farm I you guys knew that we
had activity in that house andyou know, of course it didn't
scare me because I never oncefelt threatened, right, your
sister did.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
And she first time she ever spent the night there.
She said I'll never be back tospend the night.
I'll come visit you, but that'sit.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I never spent the night there.
You never spent the night there.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And and I never spent the night you never, never
right there, and so you know.
That's why I wondered would youactually stay and spend the
night, do you?
Think that you could facesomething if you heard some you
know absolutely.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I mean I might pee myself but I mean I'm not
running, if that's what you'reasking, because you know, even
like on the cemetery growing up,I'm going to be honest with you
that cemetery scared the crapout of the neighborhood kids,
but it was the only place that Iactually felt safe in that
entire neighborhood.
I could walk in that cemeteryat 1 o'clock in the morning with
no lights on and I felt safe.
(35:40):
I felt protected there.
I did too.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
It was so peaceful it was.
Our neighbors never havingparties.
Oh man, we were.
Popular one day a year,peaceful, and you know our
neighbors never having parties.
Oh man, you know we werepopular one day a year.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Halloween we were the most popular kids on the block.
Any other day we were thefreaks down the street.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I was going to say every other day yeah Well, I
think that's probably.
Did you have anything else onthis topic, bobby?
Because I think that's probablyall the absurdity.
I think that.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
That is I, just.
I would love to hear from thelisteners we want to know your
stories.
You're good, you're bad, you'rescary.
Did you ever pee your pants andrun out?
Was it a scooby-doo?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
moment, let us know.
Do you have a spirit thatfollows you?
Do you have a doll that?
Are you haunted?
Yeah, do you have a haunted ora possessed doll that we can?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
come look at like the zach baggins museum.
That's another bucket list itemwhere's that?
It's down in las vegas was yeahthere's some.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
There was some creepy place by the airport over down
in florida and they're like theyhad this doll and you had to oh
yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, it was in a oh, so it was in a glass case.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And then they opened up the glass case.
Zach Bagans has that doll now.
Oh, he has it now.
It's in his museum, but he doeslend it out respectfully, yeah.
And I think his name is likeRichard or something like that,
the doll's name.
But yeah, he actually acquiredthat doll and he's got like
Dybbuk boxes.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
What's a Dybbuk box?
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
It's a Jewish thing.
Sounds naughty.
Oh it's a.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
It's a Jewish box.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
It's a box that they contain a bad spirit in.
That's a Jewish thing.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
It's a Jewish thing Kind of like on Ghostbusters,
where they took their laserthings and they put the ghosts
in a box.
Remember, don't cross the laserpath.
Don't cross the beams.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Don't cross the beams , don't cross the beams.
No, not the same thing, but youknow, yeah, I think that'd be
cool.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
So I think that's probably all we have today.
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Welcome everyone to today's show.
A boomer and a Gen Xer walkinto a bar, coming to you from
the rabbit hole studio, whereyou, as our listener, will
experience some wit and wisdom,some smart assery and a mother
and daughter questioning.
Are we even related?
My name is Bobbi Joy and myco-host is my mom, jane, and we
(00:24):
are here to entertain you forthe next few minutes at least.
How are you, mom?
I'm good, bobbi, thanks forasking.
How are you?
I'm good.
So I'm walking down to thestudio today and I noticed that
you have something new in yourliving room.
Oh my goodness, yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And I'm certain that you have some comments about it
I do so let's tell everybodywhat you did so what did you do?
I had a bigger kind of pit ummodular, modular um sofa in the
living room couch davenport inthe living room and we got rid
(01:04):
of it and we got a regular sofa,leather sofa, that's got the
recliners and all that business.
And you made some smart asscomment about it.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, I did, because you know the modular couch I
mean could maybe not socomfortably, you know fit all of
the grandkids and kids when wecome over for holidays.
And now it's you go in thereand you look and it's saying
guess what, kids, you're onlyhere for dinner and get out
because there ain't nowhere tosit.
There ain't nowhere to sitanymore.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Tick, tock yeah, uh, I'll give you dinner, but, uh,
you know, stand for dessert.
How about that?
I don't need anybody gettingcomfortable.
No, actually, um, you know wehave a low profile couch in
there or you know pit kind ofthing, and I just it wasn't
comfortable for us, although itdid allow for a lot of seating.
It's just something that didn'twork for us to hold your
(01:58):
hundred grandkids.
Yeah, yeah oh, my goodness, soanyway.
So, oh, so, oh, I got to telleverybody.
So again we're in the Midwest.
The wind today was crazy.
It's horrible.
It's like you know it used tobe Chicago was a windy city.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
No, no, no.
We are the sister or the queenof wind.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, and you know, it's like Iowa either you're 100
degrees and soaking in humidity, or it's so windy you can't
even open your eyes against it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
There's no in between .
Yeah, or it's 30 to 40 belowwind chill factor.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Come to Iowa.
Let's not say that, because wecould still get snow, that's
true.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Let's not say that we have gotten snow in late April
before.
So, Bobby, we have a prettyinteresting topic today.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
We do, and today's topic is going to delve deep
into the afterlife.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Do you believe in ghosts, ghosts, ghosts.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Ooh, I'm in your house.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
My call is coming from inside the house.
Oh wait, that's kind of justcreepy.
That's not really a ghostthat's like killer stalker yeah
Speaker 1 (03:09):
yeah okay, you know, and I kind of wonder why you
know we see all these or we hearabout all these ghosts and
everything, and they're likefrom oh, 1700s, 1800s, you know,
early 1900s.
You don't hear of a ghost in2025 that kicks down your door
and goes it's Britney bitch,like why that's the ghost.
I want.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, and also yeah, because they say oh, what was
you?
What was the ghost wearingVictorian clothing, or you know?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
do they issue it on the other side?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
civil war clothing and it's like why isn't there
anything from before that orafter that?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
you know, why isn't some punk rocker, you know, know
, haunting my house or something, or some mom with moon boots
and a fur coat Like come on now.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That's right, but so we're going to talk about do you
believe in ghosts?
Yeah, do you believe?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
in ghosts.
Do you believe in ghosts?
So I got a statistic for you.
So I got a statistic for you.
Did you know?
A solid majority of adults inthe United States actually
believe in one kind ofparanormal or supernatural
phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And you know what's interesting is there's a lot of
reality shows now that are ghostchasers.
There's whole channels thatcan't be explained, and so they
(04:32):
can they attribute it to theparanormal, and so we're going
to talk about this a little bit.
So are there different kinds ofghosts, do you think?
I think there are I think thatthere are poltergeist,
poltergeist apparition.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I think that there's also imprintation or loops where
it's not an active haunting,it's just something that kind of
was imprinted on a place or athing and just kind of relives
the same moment over and overagain.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
They get attached either to a house a house.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
A house, don't you know?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I was gonna say home and then I thought maybe I'll go
with house.
They get attached.
You think we've been drinking,you know, um, but you get
attached to a house or to apiece of furniture.
Yeah, or even creepier to apiece of furniture, yeah, or
even creepier, to a doll.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah or God forbid a person I know they follow that
person around or they followthem around.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So have you ever?
Do you think, bobby, thatyou've ever been in a haunted
house?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I grew up in one.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You didn't grow up in one.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Oh, yes, I did on the cemetery.
No, you didn't.
Yes, ma'am that wasn't reallyhot, okay, okay listen, my room
was in the basement and no onewould be home and I would hear
footsteps going down thathallway.
Nobody's there, can't tell methat's not haunted.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So bobby's dad uh was a uh sexton.
Yes, he took care of thecemetery and the cemetery was
crossroad from us and also tothe site of our, the home that
we lived in, and I will admitthere were some activities that
did occur in that house Nothingthreatening ever.
No, no, no you know, I don'tremember having any threatening
(06:19):
activities at all and, as asyou're aware, my mom was
clairvoyant, had a littleclairvoyancy, a little bit, a
little bit.
I have a little bit of it, um,your sister has a teeny tiny bit
of it and so sometimes we werekind of like is that happening
to us because of some gift thatwe were given, uh, or some?
(06:40):
You know, is it some type ofspirit or whatever?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's having that empath aura around you.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Where you can feel it more than anything.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And my whole thing these girls can attest to it and
actually many people can thathave been around me is, over the
years, what's happened with meis sometimes I would get a
fleeting thought and it would betrue.
And so when I would call mygirls and say, hey, you know, as
an example, where's Corey?
Yeah, are you okay?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Is Corey, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And Bobby immediately would go oh my gosh.
You know, please, mom, whathappened and you know, I'd just
say let's just say a prayer andlet's put a light around him.
You know, let's just protecthim here real quick, because I
never knew right and but a lotof the things that had come to
me, as you know, just thoughts,they were very fleeting thoughts
(07:31):
really did happen and I'll talkabout some of those uh with you
and and you're aware of them.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
But, yeah, our listeners are not so, um, and
it's more of a feeling with me,like when you got thrown from
liberty and liberty was aClydesdale saddle, yeah and she
got spooked by that.
Uh, what was it?
A rat, snake or something likethat.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
No, there were ball snakes, bull snake okay yep, she
got spooked and you got thrown.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And, yeah, I immediately was.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I was like, oh man, something's wrong, something's
really wrong so I'm gonna gointo a few of those things so
that people can understand.
You know just how weird and howweird we are, we are as a
family.
So let's talk about some ghosts.
So I'm really kind ofinterested.
Yeah, you know from our, ourlisteners, whether or not
they've ever had any experiences, and we would really love to
(08:21):
hear from y'all absolutely onthis topic, even if it's just
something that you know, you onthis topic, even if it's just
something that you know, you'renot really sure, but it was just
something, maybe a thought thatcame to mind, or whatever, but
we know that there's really noscientific evidence, correct?
So we know that.
You know, centuries ofscientific research, uh, haven't
found any evidence to supportany existence of ghosts or
(08:44):
paranormal activities.
Now, you know Dr Domaine and Ibeing very strong in the faith,
we know that there's a HolyGhost, right, so we believe in
that ghost and angels.
There are some angels you know,that we're aware of in our
faith.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
But are angels really ghosts?
Because I was always taughtthat angels never walked the
earth.
They weren't human forms.
So would they really beconsidered ghosts or would they
be considered more of an entity?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Great question, Because you know the Bible talks
about demons also, Right, andyou know how do those come to
you?
Sometimes they can come inhuman form, Sometimes they can
come in other manifestations.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So I think this would be like a separate column from
ghosts.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I do too, yeah so let's kind of stick to the ghost
side of it.
Um, for the paranormal activity, um, I think that you know many
individuals do believe inghosts, based on, sometimes,
their personal experiences andthen stories or even cultural
beliefs, because the furthersouth you go, let's face it,
they are definitely, uh, intoghosts yep, would you agree?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
dr domain they got the hoodoo and the voodoo, yeah
I was looking for a house downsouth in savannah area and um
connected with this realtor whowas a native of the area and she
was, uh, was well-known in thearea for having a really good
understanding of the area, andso we're looking at these houses
(10:12):
and I happened to go in and Ilook up and I just noticed that
the ceiling was blue and I'vebeen thinking of it.
And after about the third orfourth house, I looked up into
the patio area and the ceilingwas blue and I was like, uh,
excuse me, ma'am, why we've beenin like three or four houses
and all the ceilings before youenter the door are blue and
(10:34):
she's like honey child, that'suh, that's hate blue.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yes, that was a terrible impression.
Did you want me to do that foryou?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
honey darling, that is called haint blue and uh,
it's like what, what is that?
And it's to keep the haints out, and they would see it as blue
sky, and then they would followthat instead of coming in your
house, keep the spirits out,yeah, but very very.
Yeah, there's a lot of voodoo, alot of.
I mean, you go down to savannah, you get ghost tours, a lot of
(11:10):
civil war type of hauntings andwhat.
In the area that I was livingin in fort mcallister they had a
lot of battles in that area andthey were known for a lot of
ghost sightings and things likethat yeah, and you go on down to
norlands and of course you knowthey oh, the cemetery tours and
everything.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's just, it's just very interesting and so you know
I I can't say that when I wasin savannah with you or down
south that I ever reallyexperienced any things.
Mine usually ends up being moreof a feeling, and so you know
we talked about ghost hunting.
While ghost hunting is kind ofa popular activity, the methods
(11:50):
used are kind of considered whatdo we want to say?
Pseudoscience, yeah, andthere's no real credible
evidence to support any of theirclaims or that their equipment
actually works.
Yeah.
I mean, have you watched some?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
of those, Bob, I have .
Well, actually I have a spiritbox at home that my dad bought
me.
What's?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
a spirit box.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So a spirit box is?
It's a tool that I guess theykind of made for ghost hunting
and what it does is it scanshundreds of different
frequencies at a rapid pace.
And what, supposedly I'm goingto say supposedly, because
there's no scientific evidence.
I'm going to say supposedly,because there's no scientific
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evidence Supposedly it's used tocommunicate with any kind of
entities or spirits that wish tocommunicate by using the
different frequencies.
Sure, and so you'll hear wordspop up and things like that when
you ask it questions.
But I got that many years agoand there's a pretty famous
hotel in Perry that I used towork at called the Hotel Pate or
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Patee however you want to sayit, very old hotel, very rich
history, and anybody who'sworked there knows that that
basement is definitely there'ssomething going on down there,
and so there was quite a fewtimes that I actually went down
there with the spirit box and myheadphones in and just sat
there and listened.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
So I stayed at the Hotel Patee before, never had
any experiences.
It's a cool hotel.
It is If you ever make it toIowa.
It's a super old hotel.
I don't know what year it wasbuilt, but it was empty for a
long time.
It was built but somebody.
It was empty for a long time.
Um, some investors came in andspent millions of dollars to
refurbish this particular hoteland it's pretty darn cool.
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They have theme rooms in.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yes, every room is a different theme.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, I'm getting a little off base there, but yeah,
um.
So where do you think is themost reported haunted areas that
people have ever been to?
That they were battlefields.
It is civil war battlefields.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I would have said graveyards no civil war
battlefields, because it's goingto be where their energy had
the most trauma, and the mosttrauma would have been on that
battlefield and the surroundingareas, because a lot of the
surrounding houses were madeinto field hospitals so that's
where I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I mean, I would have not guessed that.
I would have guessed, you knowthe graveyards and it is the
battlefields.
What about structures?
What kind of structures do youthink are the most haunted?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Asylums and hospitals .
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Actually hotels, hotels.
Yeah, the Stanley Hotel, youknow about Stanley Hotel.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, stanley hotel and the one in los angeles, the
cecil hotel.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, that one's pretty big one, yeah now there
is a penitentiary eastern statepenitentiary and, uh, you know,
penitentiaries are pretty goodfor, um, not really seeing the
visions of anyone but hearingthe noises right and having the
communication through some ofthe you know squawk boxes that
you're right that you'll talkabout um gettysburg.
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Gettysburg, huge, huge, huge.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Um the lizzie borden house yes, yep, the lizzie
borden house and veliska axemurder house.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Oh yeah, in iowa, yeah you know there's
documentaries out there and ifyou get the opportunity, if
you're even at the slightestinterested in these things,
there's a lot of documentariesout there.
Uh, related to these.
One that I thought was superinteresting was the winchester
house oh, I would die to seethat.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I mean, I probably have to die to see it, but yeah,
that is definitely one that ison my.
Top of my bucket list is thewinchester house the winchester
house is everyone is probablyaware.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Uh, the winchester guns, right, and they were
actually made for the war.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yep, um, they were the, the original um, it was
back when they were uh settlingthe land, fighting for the west.
A A lot of Native Americansdied by their guns, right.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And so Sarah Winchester, the wife of Mr
Winchester, the heir to theWinchester fortune she started
building the Winchester houseand it is full of doors and the
reason for that is because shewent to a psychic all the time,
yep, and the psychic hadconvinced her that, um, you know
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, she continued to build andcontinued to have doors whereby
the spirits could escape, thatthat would kind of be
retribution for what her husbandhad done by providing all of
the guns right that killed somany people, and it is.
It's a pretty cool place.
Um, you know, there's hundredsof rooms.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I guess it's like seven stories high yep and um,
and there's staircases to noplace, there's doors that open
to straight drops.
There are, I mean just, andthey're still finding, from what
I last heard up to today,they're still finding doors and
rooms in this house that theyhad not previously known were
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there and that particular, um,that particular mansion is in
San Jose, california.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yep, so if you're ever in that area, folks, I'd be
there, you'd be there.
So, um, what else related toghosts, bobby?
So do you ever get the feelingof ghosts being around you?
Well, before we go into that,have you?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
ever seen any.
Before we go into that you knowyou were talking about that
there hasn't really been anyscientific evidence of ghosts or
spirits, things like that.
There kind of have been studieson it because they did a study
through thermodynamics, andanybody who knows the study of
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thermodynamics, if I could talkknows that energy cannot be
created nor destroyed.
Now, we as humans and otherecosystems, are not closed
energy sources.
We're open systems systems.
So that means that we areconstantly exchanging energy
with our surroundings.
Now what they wanted to know isat our death, what happens to
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our energy?
Because it doesn't justdisappear, it's not destroyed,
it doesn't just magically goaway, and so they actually have
done quite a few studies on thatand a lot of people have linked
that with, like, maybe the soulleaving your body, type of
thing or but what it is is it'sit's literally energy, it's
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energy distribution, it's energy, um, that comes from your body
and goes out into the universe.
Where does it go?
What does it do?
We're not sure, but we knowit's there right.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And the other thing is is not only will energy leave
us, energy can enter us,correct.
And so you know, biblicallyagain, we look at that as being
either some type of, you know,positive spirit or demonic
spirit, and so we do know thatthat can be measured, because
they have measured that correct,correct.
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And so, um, then I have to askyou do you believe in ghosts,
bobby?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I do.
I do through personalexperience.
Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And so when I say, do you believe in ghosts?
And you say yes, Are we talkingabout an energy force?
Are we talking about somebodywho walked the face of this
earth and you think that theycame back?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I think that there are quite a few different ways
of thinking about it, and I'veexperienced quite a few ways of
them thinking about it, and I'veexperienced quite a few ways of
them.
Um, you know, I've I'vepersonally experienced what I
call like a a free will ghost,which would be a ghost that
could come in and, instead ofreplaying a certain scenario or
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scene over and over again, theyactually have the free will to
interact with a living being oran object within this realm.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, if you'd get a smaller sofa.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
So what would your name be?
As a ghost, would you have aname?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
oh that's a good one.
What would your name?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
well, I can tell you this story I want to hear give
me your best pickup line as aghost ready go.
I don't even have one.
Oh, that's so lame oh, mygoodness like hey, baby, you
want to share them sheets?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
or I can see right through you.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I know you want me right, but I mean, I can share
this story about what I believewas like a free energy spirit,
and and it's it's one that whenmy daughter, joey, uh, who's now
almost 19,.
No, she is 19.
Sorry, um, she was about two orthree years old and at this
point my father's mother hadpassed quite a few years before
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that.
She never got to meet my kids,and my father's mother was a big
component of my childhood.
She was always around, I wasalways with her, and so I had an
apartment over in the oldneighborhood where she had lived
and I could walk in one day andI'm, you know, watching her
play and talk to somebody andI'm like who are you talking to?
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And she goes kitty.
And I said, oh, you're playingwith kitty cat.
She goes no, kitty.
And I was like what?
Like this child has never heardof my grandmother at this point
.
And so it was like a year laterand she does it again and I'm
like what do you mean kitty?
And she goes kitty's over there.
And I was like, well, who'skitty?
And she goes kitty the lady.
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And I was like no, we're notplaying this game because you,
because I'm freaked out at thispoint, but I hand to God.
She described my grandmother,the big glasses she used to wear
, her curly hair, the fact thatshe was so short.
She's a short little kitty,that's what she said.
She's a short little kitty, buther name Kitty, and I was just
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like.
This child has never, ever seena photo of my grandmother.
She has never heard us refer tomy grandmother as Kitty.
It was always Meemaw.
Never, ever seen a photo of mygrandmother.
She has never heard us refer tomy grandmother as kitty.
It was always me, ma, and hereshe is playing with kitty.
That's interesting, and I wasjust I was.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
That's the first time I've heard that story.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I hadn't even I've never told anybody that story?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I hadn't heard that she remembers it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
She still remembers it to this day.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So you feel that you had kind of an experience with
that or one of the kids did whatabout you dr domain.
Do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
yeah, I think we touched on that a little bit.
I believe in the holy ghost.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, absolutely what about ghosts that stay here on
earth or stay with us, uh, aseither energy forces or people
that you know.
A lot of times, people say youknow, our angels were around us.
Or, um, there were angels thatwere protected, protecting you,
and is that a previous life?
Or is that an angel that was,you know, made before we know
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when they were?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I don't know well, I think it's possible.
I mean, there's there's a lotof souls that have been you know
been on this earth and there'slikely some type of spirits that
you here that are present,whether they're angels or other
types of souls.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Have you ever had an experience where you thought
that you saw a ghost, or youthought that you experienced
some type of spirit and it wasmore than just a bump in the
night?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
No, I don't think I've seen anything.
I've heard things.
Okay, like I've heard reallydistinctly my mother's voice.
Okay, yeah, okay, and it justwas kind of out of the blue.
I just heard some things and itwas she has a very distinct
voice and I could.
I could hear that and I knew itwas her.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
yeah so I mean, for me, I've had so many experiences
, it's crazy.
But, um, you know, I I dorecall, you know, my mom.
I remember I had an aunt lightyand we didn't have a phone when
I was growing up, and neitherdid a lot of my relatives.
I mean, we were all out in thecountry and we just didn't.
We were poor, we didn't havephones.
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And I remember my mom, you know, having situations where she
would say things and we werelike how'd you know that?
And, um, I remember her comingin one night and she said you
need to get up.
Get up, because my aunt Lightylived in Knoxville.
And she said we need to go.
Aunt Lighty died.
And it was like how do you know?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, I didn't hear a phone ring.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Nobody came to the door and she said Aunt Lighty
just died and we had to go andshe did just die.
And you know some of thosethings I have had and at first
it would scare me and then itwas like, oh no, because use
your powers for good and notevil.
But I mean I could tell you afew things.
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I was living on a farm duringmy last marriage and I remember
when I first got up there hesaid, uh, this house is haunted.
And I go well, bring it on.
You know, cause I don't reallybelieve in that crap.
I mean, you know, and, and eventhough I'd had a lot of
experiences, I said, just bringit on.
And there were so many things.
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I mean just I remember cleaningout a closet that was under the
staircase and I was pullingeverything out and something
whispered in my ear and I turnedaround, real quick thinking was
somebody in there with me?
Yeah, and I thought, no, I musthave been imagining it.
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And pretty soon, I mean I feltthat breath on my ear and in
that house and that one kind offreaked me out, because that was
like the first time.
And then we just there were somany other things that occurred
in that house.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Well, not only in the house but outside the house,
like when the corn would gettall.
You could see people walkingthrough the corn.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
No, I couldn't really see people walking through the
corn.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Well, not people you could see where the corn was
moving, like people were walkingthrough it.
I saw it.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And it was kind of interesting because you know, he
kept saying, oh, you know Ihave ghosts and I go, okay, oh
there, you know I have ghostsand I go, okay, all right.
Yeah, one of the othersituations is his son, uh,
bought a house up around thecorner from us and the man who
had lived there died the weekbefore and that was the reason
why we were buying this farm.
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You know, his son wanted to buyit.
He wanted, I think it was like15 acres or some something, and
and we walked into the house,old house, and I always felt
stuff.
And I walked into the house andmy ex-husband looked at me
because I kind of stepped in thedoorway and just stood there
for a minute and he said do youfeel something?
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And I go, I don't know, and Ikind of just kept standing there
and he goes, is he here?
And I said no, he's with hisdaughter and I didn't know he
had a daughter yeah I didn'tknow.
The old boy had a daughter andmy ex-husband went white.
He said how would you haveknown he even had a daughter?
She passed away five years agoand so.
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But there's so many stories Icould tell you.
And I don't tell people thesestories because I expect them to
believe me, because, quitefrankly, I care less whether you
do it well you get a one-wayticket to the uh asylum yourself
at that point but um you know,I have seen some things, uh
definitely.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Have you ever seen the hat man?
Man?
No, you laugh, you laugh.
Where is it?
It's not, it's not funny.
So, um, a lot of times you knowhow you see like shadows in the
corner of your eye, like maybeit's fleeting, and you don't
really know if you've seen it ornot.
(27:23):
Well, there's actually.
It's really really, really old.
They call it an urban legend.
It's not an urban legendbecause there's no way all these
people are describing the samething.
So they think that it's betweenwhere you wake and you sleep,
kind of in coming out of a REMmode yeah.
(27:48):
And he's called the hat manbecause he's just a dark figure
that wears like a fedora hat,but it's.
He's been seen in some reallyhaunted places.
I saw him in Poltergeist butlike, even like Bobby Mackey's
and stuff before it was torndown.
You know people, it's a realphenomenon and a lot of it, I
think, is people seeing theshadow.
(28:10):
You know the dark shadowfigures moving, yeah, but there
have been people you know for avery long time that have
specifically described this,that have never heard of other
people describing it, and alltheir descriptions are matching
up.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Now, you know, I used to, you know, believe in having
your palm read and, you know,going to see a psychic and
things like that.
Oracles and psychics, orbs, youmean Oracle, oh.
But after becoming a little bitmore familiar with my spiritual
side of life, I definitelydon't believe in that stuff.
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But I have had so manyexperiences that I do believe
that there's energy forces.
And I've told you kids, youknow, when I die it's nothing
but a zip code change to me.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I'm moving on.
When I die, I'll be the onechasing you up the stairs at
night when you shut the lightoff.
Trust me.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
So I'm going to tell you and I really want our
listeners to think about thisand think about I don't want to
scare them, but you know, I dothink, but listen, I have a list
.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
After I die, I'm coming for you, okay.
Well, okay, I'll be in thecorner.
I'll already be dead, so youknow I don't have to worry about
it.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You might want to just be a little nicer to me.
I'm just saying that because mytime comes before yours.
Oh, bring it.
But you know, one of the otherthings that had occurred and I'm
just going to mention this realquick because it was kind of
bizarre for me and it wasprobably the one that scared me
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the most was my ex-husbandfarmed for a guy, and I won't
mention his name, old guy, oldguy.
We called him Pete.
I won't tell you it wasn't evenhis name, but we called him
Pete.
And he went into a home and Ihad said to my ex I said, hey,
have you seen Pete?
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Because he usually went to seehim like maybe every two weeks.
He says, no, I haven't, Ihaven't gotten to see him for a
while.
And I said, oh, you probablyneed to go see him, you know.
And, uh, a week went by and Isaid, hey, did you ever go up
and see Pete?
And he said, no, not yet.
And I said make it soon.
And then on a Wednesday thiswas on Wednesday I said, hey,
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you know, if you haven't gone tosee Pete yet, you need to go
see him.
And he goes yeah, yeah, I'lltry to do that by the end of the
week.
And I said, okay, on Friday Isat straight up in bed in the
early in the morning I can'tremember the time straight up in
bed and I go Pete just died.
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And he goes what?
And I said Pete just died.
And he said how did you knowthat?
And I said I felt him gothrough me.
Now, why he would ever gothrough me and whether he did or
didn't is irrelevant.
That's what I felt.
30 minutes later his daughtercalled and said pete just died.
And it shook me.
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I mean it really shook mebecause that was the first time
that I'd felt something likethat.
And again, I don't tell peoplethis stuff.
As a matter of fact, this isthe first time.
You've probably heard that one,bobby, yeah you got that grandma
dickie juju but you know it'snot something that you talk
about, because most people lookat you like you're crazy and I
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am crazy, and so you know thatjust kind of pushed me over the
over the edge.
But, um, dr domain, did youhave any stories other than what
you've shared with us thatmaybe you would suspect it to be
I don't know a sixth sense?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Have you ever thought about it?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, I've thought about it, you know, was that
premonition?
Yeah, probably premonition, Idon't know.
I never really associated itwith that.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I mean, you always had the, not a premonition, but
we always had like the childhoodthings, like there were certain
things that were haunted, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
With the haunted bridge.
Yeah, the haunted bridge.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
The house with seven ladders, and all that creepy
stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So let me ask you this because, Bobby, I already
know your answer to this.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
And then the haunted houses, which you were my
defender, you and I and yoursisters all went to those when
we were younger.
And so let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
We were going to the haunted house.
We would go to the hauntedhouses.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Jane was there and she was like stiff-arming all
the monsters I did stay awayfrom us.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Stay away from us she was really yeah so, um, you
know, I I would really wantpeople to kind of think about
this, because I truly believethere are energies out there,
good, bad or indifferent.
I do believe that there'senergy.
I don't know what it is.
I have no answers to any ofthat business.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Well, I can say that I mean there's houses I won't
walk in.
There's houses that I feel sickin know just from the energy
yeah and I did too.
I have all I have to do is rollup in the driveway and be like
nope, sorry, yeah, I ain't doingit, I ain't going in there.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I could tell kind of a interesting story about when
my sister died here five yearsago, and you already know that
story and that that one was uhboy, that was a shaker too.
But would you.
So let me ask you this.
I'll start with Dr Domain.
Would you spend the night in ahaunted house that someone or
it's very well known, theStanley Hotel?
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Would you spend the night inthe Stanley Hotel or in a
haunted what they would claim tobe a haunted hotel?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Would the bed be?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
comfortable.
Does it have magic?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
fingers?
Yeah, does it have one of those?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
quarter things does it have cable?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
would I?
Yeah, what?
What am I getting in return?
You get to sleep at the hotel Iget, I get the experience you
might get to experience.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Uh, I don't see a need for that.
I could sleep in my own bed.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
No, I don't.
I mean, if you're like, ifthere's some incentive.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You feel like there's spirits in your bed.
If I had no other options likeI'm.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I'm on a deserted island and it's the only haunted
house On an island.
Yeah, I guess that would be myonly option.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Would you, bobby, would you stay in a haunted
house?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I would, but I can guarantee you that I would not
be sleeping.
Uh, there's no.
There would be no sleephappening.
I'd probably sit in the cornerwith my eyes wide open the whole
night, but absolutely I wouldstay there, yeah absolutely yeah
, or just for the just to getthe sticker at the end of the
tour, you know I like stickers.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
So when I lived on the farm I you guys knew that we
had activity in that house andyou know, of course it didn't
scare me because I never oncefelt threatened, right, your
sister did.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
And she first time she ever spent the night there.
She said I'll never be back tospend the night.
I'll come visit you, but that'sit.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I never spent the night there.
You never spent the night there.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And and I never spent the night you never, never
right there, and so you know.
That's why I wondered would youactually stay and spend the
night, do you?
Think that you could facesomething if you heard some you
know absolutely.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I mean I might pee myself but I mean I'm not
running, if that's what you'reasking, because you know, even
like on the cemetery growing up,I'm going to be honest with you
that cemetery scared the crapout of the neighborhood kids,
but it was the only place that Iactually felt safe in that
entire neighborhood.
I could walk in that cemeteryat 1 o'clock in the morning with
no lights on and I felt safe.
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I felt protected there.
I did too.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
It was so peaceful it was.
Our neighbors never havingparties.
Oh man, we were.
Popular one day a year,peaceful, and you know our
neighbors never having parties.
Oh man, you know we werepopular one day a year.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Halloween we were the most popular kids on the block.
Any other day we were thefreaks down the street.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I was going to say every other day yeah Well, I
think that's probably.
Did you have anything else onthis topic, bobby?
Because I think that's probablyall the absurdity.
I think that.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
That is I, just.
I would love to hear from thelisteners we want to know your
stories.
You're good, you're bad, you'rescary.
Did you ever pee your pants andrun out?
Was it a scooby-doo?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
moment, let us know.
Do you have a spirit thatfollows you?
Do you have a doll that?
Are you haunted?
Yeah, do you have a haunted ora possessed doll that we can?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
come look at like the zach baggins museum.
That's another bucket list itemwhere's that?
It's down in las vegas was yeahthere's some.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
There was some creepy place by the airport over down
in florida and they're like theyhad this doll and you had to oh
yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, it was in a oh, so it was in a glass case.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And then they opened up the glass case.
Zach Bagans has that doll now.
Oh, he has it now.
It's in his museum, but he doeslend it out respectfully, yeah.
And I think his name is likeRichard or something like that,
the doll's name.
But yeah, he actually acquiredthat doll and he's got like
Dybbuk boxes.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
What's a Dybbuk box?
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
It's a Jewish thing.
Sounds naughty.
Oh it's a.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
It's a Jewish box.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
It's a box that they contain a bad spirit in.
That's a Jewish thing.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
It's a Jewish thing Kind of like on Ghostbusters,
where they took their laserthings and they put the ghosts
in a box.
Remember, don't cross the laserpath.
Don't cross the beams.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Don't cross the beams , don't cross the beams.
No, not the same thing, but youknow, yeah, I think that'd be
cool.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
So I think that's probably all we have today.
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(37:58):
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Peace out later.
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