How Muck Sticky Turns Grit Into Joy And Advocacy Into Action

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Some stories crack you open in the best way. This conversation with Muck Sticky blends raw honesty, laugh-out-loud moments, and a deep well of heart—from Cookie’s courage through major dental surgery to a life lesson stitched into pajama pants that became a personal promise: be comfortable in your own skin and stop bending for strangers. We trace a DIY music career built on personal responsibility, boundary setting, and a belief that joy isn’t an accident—it’s daily work.

We go inside the pajama origin story, why shock can be a tool for healing when it’s guided by compassion, and how a song becomes a pressure valve for people navigating clinics, classrooms, and hard days. Muck talks about writing for himself first, trusting that authentic delight travels further than a perfectly engineered hook. He opens up about Cookie’s Williams syndrome, the real costs of “optional” dental care, and what it means to fight insurance red tape while guarding your spirit. There’s practical advice too: find your tribe, grow organically, look for grants and aligned sponsors, and lead with human connection instead of ads that miss the people who need help.

We also spotlight a grassroots learning academy designed for special needs families, with free and low-cost courses on adaptive learning, advocacy, caregiver resilience, and navigating insurance. The through-line is clear: set boundaries, love yourself enough to stay present, and let humor keep the air moving when life gets heavy. By the end, you’ll understand why a pajama creed can anchor a life, why Cookie’s smile could power a city, and why art that makes you laugh can also help you breathe.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
Good evening.
Welcome to a very specialepisode of a Contagious Smile
Unstoppable.
I am so excited.
This is like a little kid atChristmas here.
I have Mux Sticky here.
And anybody who's ever followedme, heard from me, listens to
me, all of our millions offollowers know that I'm a huge
Mux Sticky fan.
So this is like me in awe rightnow.
So thank you so much for findingthe time to come on here and do

(00:25):
this with us.

SPEAKER_02 (00:26):
Absolutely.
My pleasure.
Thank you so much for having meon.
I love what you do.

SPEAKER_01 (00:31):
Oh, thank you.
First, happy early birthday.

SPEAKER_02 (00:34):
Thank you.
Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 (00:36):
And I have to ask how is Cookie's birthday?
Her birthday's three days aftermine.

SPEAKER_02 (00:40):
Oh, really?
Wow, that's cool.
It was fantastic.
Uh, you know, mom's is the daybefore hers.
So uh we always have every it'salways a weeklong party.
Uh we go out to dinner withmultiple different friends
throughout the week.
And uh she got a surprise phonecall from some of her friends
she hasn't seen in a while, andso that was nice.

(01:04):
It was really, really, reallynice.
Great birthday again this year.
She's doing so well after her uhsurgery she went through.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
So I was watching that, and her teeth are
absolutely phenomenallybeautiful.
Not that she isn't alreadybecause she's such a light.
I love watching her.
I love how she lights up whenyou're around.
I absolutely love that.
Like you seem like such astrength of light for her.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28):
Well, she's I I must say she's that for me, really.
And if I am that for her, it'sthe least I can do because she's
taught me so much throughoutlife and kept me grounded uh
through all the experiences I'vebeen through, you know, going
being in the music business andum dealing with some of the
things you have to deal with.

(01:48):
It's it's easy for a lot ofpeople to um lose their sense of
spirit.
And um she's helped keep thatstrong, you know, having her in
my life every day.

SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
Yeah, what's amazing is these beautiful souls don't
let the little things botherthem.
They they see such beauty andthey appreciate every single day
of life.
Like with our daughter Faith,she literally doesn't take a
thing for granted.
She's spunky, she's raunchy attimes, she she's a big, huge
prankster.

(02:23):
But it's literally, they teachus how to love.
They teach us how just to begrounded.
And I I was reading one of thethings back when about, you
know, the trials andtribulations of the insurance,
which is outrageous.
It's ridiculous.
I advocate for special needsfamilies as well, and I help
them through that processbecause you shouldn't have to

(02:44):
worry about that while you'reworrying about your loved one.

unknown (02:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (02:47):
That's that's the number one thing.
It's it's um for uh, you know,we've been through quite a bit
ourselves, but it I know it's alot worse for a lot of others
too.
And uh that's it's somethinglike you said, you shouldn't
have to be dealing with it whenyou're also dealing with the
emotional uh concern that comesalong with health problems, you

(03:11):
know.
Uh so it it's it's like itcompounds, you know.
It'd be nice if there were morepeople who looked out for those
who can't, you know, have atough enough time looking out
for themselves without thatadded burden.

SPEAKER_01 (03:25):
Absolutely, absolutely.
And then I I read how you evenstated that whatever the
insurance didn't cover, you weregonna find a way to do that.
And that was such a long timeago.
And that's when I was like, Ithink that's back when I started
following you.
And I was like, oh, that'samazing because so many people
aren't like that anymore.
It's all me, me, me, what canyou do for me to hell with
everybody else?
And that's not how this shouldbe anymore.

(03:45):
That's not how people should be.

SPEAKER_02 (03:48):
No, you know, um it's unfortunate uh that things
are the way they are, but youyou almost also have to say,
well, that's the way it is, andI'm gonna have to work around
it.
You know, you can bitch moan andcomplain about the way things
are all the time, but that's nothelping really anybody get
further down the road, you know.

(04:09):
Uh so I just I've always beenone to kind of take things into
my own hands.
That's why my career is the wayit is.
I've never had a you know arecord deal or a manager or any
of those things that a lot ofartists have, because I've
always just said, well, I'lljust do it myself, you know.
Uh I like personalresponsibility.

(04:29):
I'm a fan of personalresponsibility.
I think there should be more ofthat, more of it in the world.
Uh, but also you can't always doeverything yourself.
Um, my career might be furtheralong had I delegated some of
the responsibility out a longway.
Uh, it may, as time goes on,it's something I'm learning to
do.
Uh, but when it comes to payingfor help things, you know, um,

(04:53):
especially those with specialneeds, they certainly should
have um uh a cared for uhsystem, you know, that that
looks out for them.
And uh because they certainlydon't have any say so in what
keeps them from being able tohave the same amount of personal

(05:16):
responsibility many of us areable to have, you know.
And so I don't know, I justthink we should look out for for
those that can't look out forthemselves as well as some of us
can, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
Yeah.
And I love it because every timeI see Cookie and her smile, it's
just she lights it up.
Like her smile is so genuine, itlights up in her eyes, and it's
so funny because people say allthe time that you can't see it
if you're involved in it.
But when I'm watching her andthe videos with you, you can see
how much she looks up to you,and it's just so sweet.
It really is.

SPEAKER_02 (05:49):
Well, uh, like I said, she has always been a
light in my world.
My mom says she's our conduit toGod, you know.
She uh she's so pure in spirit,you know.
She gets her feelings hurt, shehas anger toward people in the
world, just like other, youknow, most of us do.
But hers is um she's so easy andwilling to forgive people who uh

(06:17):
aren't don't have that genuinespirit, you know.
And um I think that's why I liketo look out for her because I
know that the world isn't alwaysgenuine.
Yeah.
And um it's been my focus m mywhole life to here's my baby

(06:37):
sister I look out for.
I remember when we were kids,you know, there would be kids in
the neighborhood that would makefun of her or sometimes
physically abusive, you know.
And I've I've smacked a coupleof kids when I was young, uh,
who were hurting her or evenother little girls in the
neighborhood, you know what Imean?
Um, I've just, you know, I'm thesame way with animals too.

(07:01):
You know, if I ever saw somebodypicking on an animal or treating
an animal not right, I willknock you the f out.
You know what I mean?
Pardon my French.
Uh but you're free.
Is that French?
I've always wondered.
We always say that, pardon myFrench, but yeah, I think it's
just a saying.
Which of those words actuallyare French and which ones
aren't, because I just when yougo tell them to go themselves.

(07:24):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I mean, and that's justthe way unfortunately that's the
way it is in life.
You know, I spent most of myearly years in Muxticky thinking
that you know everybody's yourfriend, you know, and it's not
that way, unfortunately, inlife.
You have to discern and and umhave a little bit of judgment,

(07:46):
you know.
Uh people talk about weshouldn't judge anybody.
And you're right when it comesto you know, like somebody's
clothing style or you know, themusic they listen to or
whatever, you know what I mean?
Like that, those kinds of youknow, the way something
somebody's born with, you knowwhat I mean?
A physical condition, or butwhen it comes to people's
behavior and the way they chooseto be, you do kind of have to

(08:11):
look at that, I think, yeah.
Uh in life and and have a littlediscernment about who you allow
into your personal world.
You know, we can't control howeverybody is in the world, um,
but we can um we can have alittle bit of uh um uh drawing a

(08:32):
line, you know, however you wantto put it, you know.
You you have to have boundaries,I think is the term people call
it these days, you know.
Um uh you do have to you do haveto set some boundaries and and
have a little bit ofself-conviction, you know, and
that's what I try to inspire inmy music, hopefully, with people
is to have that knowledge ofwhen to say, you know, go fuck

(08:53):
yourself.

SPEAKER_01 (08:54):
And I love it because you well, you call
cookie your best friend, andthen I I hear all these things.
First of all, I'm incrediblyenvious of the fact that you
have set a Guinness World recordfor wearing pajama pants more
days than anybody, and I lovethat.
I I love it.
I actually will go out toappointments in pajama pants,
and people look at me and Idon't care.
I don't care.
You know, people look at me andI'm a recent amputee.

(09:17):
Um, I lost my arm.
And so I tell people I'm CaptainHook's sister and I'm chilling
in my pajamas.

SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
Nice.
Good for you.
Good for you.
Embrace it.
Uh, you know, I do I do try tolook decent.
I don't there there is to me, Ithink, a line between like not
giving a shit what people thinkand then not giving a fuck about
yourself, you know.
There you and you have to knowthat you you have to give a fuck

(09:42):
about yourself, but you alsohave to not give a fuck about
what people think about you.
And when you give a fuck aboutyourself, you're still gonna
dress decent.
When I go out in public, I don'tlook like I, you know, just got
out of bed and all disheveledand slobinly looking, you know
what I mean?
Because I wouldn't be giving ashit about myself.
I do care how I look, I looknice, but pajamas, you know,

(10:07):
I'll tell the story for youraudience that may not know the
story, um, how the pajama pantsthing came to be.
So um my best friend when I wasyoung, I met him when I was 15,
he was 12, uh, and we were bestfriends for nine years.
Um he developed multiplesclerosis, and through that had

(10:31):
a series of health problems.
It was just like one thing afteranother, and it went over the
course of two years, he wentdown downhill pretty fast.
And um so the day of hisfuneral, I wore slacks to the
funeral because that's what youdo.
You dress in nice clothesbecause other people are gonna

(10:53):
be there and you care about whatthey think and that sort of
thing.
That's what you're supposed todo.
You're supposed to dress inblack clothes, and so I wore a
pair of his slacks actuallybecause I didn't I had already
been wearing pajama pants asmuck sticky for about a year,
year and a half, two yearsmaybe.
Um, and so he had seen it, he'dbeen to some muck sticky shows.

(11:14):
I was already starting to becomemuck-sticky, and the day of I
wore those slacks, and I wasappallbearer, so it was a very
physical, physically strenuousday, a lot of crying and
emotion, and um over the courseof the day, the slacks started
busting apart at the seams.

(11:35):
Like at the end of it, like thecrotch was like torn apart, and
like the legs like they wereflapping in the breeze, you know
what I mean?
And and like I'm at thisfuneral, the shit's all torn
apart, you know, and I'm here, Iam trying to look nice, but I
still don't, you know what Imean?
And it was like nobody had Ibeen wearing pajama pants,
nobody in that group would haveprobably cared.

(11:57):
And if they did, I took it ashim saying it's like, man, even
if they did, and they likejudged you and look at you like
I would he wouldn't care.
My friend who was dead, and it'shis funeral, right?
He wouldn't care whether I waswearing pajama pants or not.
He knew I wore pajama pants aslike my thing, and um so I took
it as him saying, like, man,don't change yourself for these

(12:21):
people, you know what I mean.
Most of them I didn't knowanyway.
It was like his grandparents andolder people that I didn't know,
you know, and um, and stillanyway, the pants were torn
apart.
So I was like, you know what?
From here on out, I'm notchanging who I am for anybody.
I'm gonna be comfortable in whatI wear, and and I'm comfortable
in pajama pants.
I'm not comfortable in thesetight clothes, and it just

(12:42):
doesn't, and I get this onelife.
I'm gonna be in that, I'm gonnabe in the ground like that one
of these days, or hopefully I'llbe dusting the ocean.
But, you know, uh I'm I'm notgonna be here.
This life is short, it'sprecious.
Be yourself while you're alive.
You know, don't let the opinionsof others hinder you from doing
that.
And so uh the day after hisfuneral, I started I went back

(13:05):
in my pajama pants, and that wasJuly 2nd, 2002, and I've worn
pajama pants every single dayall day.
It is my personal andprofessional attire.
Um I will say there have beentimes when I've done movies or
music videos where I played acharacter or something where I
had to wear a costume, you know,and I I concede that because

(13:30):
it's all for the art, you knowwhat I mean?
It's not like I'm uh not beingmyself, I'm still being
creative, you know what I mean?
So um, but even still, thepajama pants are on underneath
those outfits.
Like when we made Dig That ZeboNewton, our movie.
I don't know if you ever sawthat.
Um uh cookies in that.

(13:51):
Uh did a great job in that too.
And uh, but I wore a pair ofoveralls, but there were pajama
pants on underneath, and whenthe camera stopped rolling, the
overalls came off, and I wasback in pajama pants.
So I've done that every daysince then.
Guinness actually, uh, you know,because they require um proof of

(14:11):
it.
Proof of it.
We sent them, we sent it, wesubmitted it many years back,
like 10 years ago, and they werelike, hey, we recognize you're
the only one with this record,but because there's not we
haven't had somebody with youfor and you can't have somebody
from Guinness be with you everysingle day, it's not something
we can officiate, which is likethe technical thing.
They have to have somebodyofficiate it.

(14:33):
Uh, but you do hold the record.
So they've they've acknowledgedit.
And uh and yeah, I'm stillwearing wearing some Pokemon
pajama pants right now.

SPEAKER_01 (14:42):
That's awesome.
I'm sorry for your best friend.
I'm sorry for the loss that youwent through.

SPEAKER_02 (14:47):
And um, yeah, I appreciate that.
You know, it's it's tough uh foranybody when they go through
something like that in life, butI think it should teach us, you
know, uh what's reallyimportant, you know, the
fragility of life.

SPEAKER_01 (15:02):
Yes.
And what I absolutely just loveabout Muck Sticky.

SPEAKER_04 (15:06):
You are a little long-winded.

SPEAKER_01 (15:08):
No, that's what we're here for.
There's so many things that Ilove about who you are.
But one of the things that Ilove is like even in the very,
very beginning, this is how farI have followed you back, is
that when you would go on stage,you had like lights playing as
band members.
And you you would dress them up.
And the fact that like I've doneall this, I started a contagious

(15:28):
smile 20 years ago, and I'venever had someone tell me how to
do it, what to do.
Um, you know, and I haveliterally just given all of it
back.
And it's not about recognitionfor me, it's helping others.
That's the whole thing of what Iwant to do.

SPEAKER_02 (15:43):
And sometimes you've come a long way with it.
You really, you really can.
I mean, it's thank you.
Uh and that does, you know, yougotta give credit where credit's
due.
And and you should be okay withum accepting a little praise and
credit, you know.
Hi, Pot.

SPEAKER_01 (16:00):
Nice to meet you.

SPEAKER_02 (16:01):
It's good to do for others, but it's okay to do for
you too.
You know what I mean?
Keep that in mind.
Uh thanks, Pot.
Don't don't don't sell yourselfshort, as the saying goes.

SPEAKER_01 (16:13):
Yes, but you have also released the record.
I I don't think I've comeanywhere close to the record.
Um I've done 43 books, and youhave done you have the world
record for the most albumsreleased in a day, which is
amazing.
And it's like there's nostopping you.

SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
Well, you it was funny, the the pajama pants
thing.
Me and my uh uh one of mycreative uh friends, Nick, uh I
know Nick.
Yeah, yeah, I think you knowNick.
He uh we were sitting aroundtalking about the pajama pant
thing and you know how itcouldn't be officiated.
And we were like, well, what'ssomething that can be

(16:53):
officiated?
And we came up, hey, well, whydon't we just what's you know
what's something musically thatthey can you know see and and
document that would be and wewere like, well, why don't we
release we we pitched around afew ideas before we settled on
the most albums on one day, anduh so we had had a bunch of

(17:14):
tracks we had worked ontogether, uh, and I'd worked on
some myself, and we justknuckled down and buckled down
and spent about four monthsputting once we we submitted the
thing to Guinness, and it took afew months for them to get back
and say, okay, uh, this is howmany you need to do a minimum of

(17:34):
seven.
And we were like, well, we coulddo seven, but why don't we do
ten?
And just to really set the bar alittle bit higher.
And so um they had a bunch ofrules you had to follow.
It was like, you know, tracksthat couldn't be released and
certain lengths and all thisstuff, and it took them like
three or four months to even getback to us before they're like,

(17:57):
okay, you can set this record,and here's how you submit the
evidence and all that stuff.
And uh, so we did we worked onthat.
We that's when we got full steaminto making it.
It was probably a total of abouta year before from submitting
the idea, coming up with theidea and submitting it, to
putting the albums out.
And uh it's been a little over ayear since we put them out, and

(18:20):
they're still going strong.
People are still jamming them.
Um, I'm working on a new one.

SPEAKER_01 (18:26):
Is that what's coming out the 29th?

SPEAKER_02 (18:29):
Um, well, no, I have a new song coming out on the
24th with my bros in the bandBonsai called Pocket Full of
Pre-Rolls.
It's a fun reggae song.
But the new album will probablybe coming in the spring, I'm
thinking.
I'm gonna take time.
I'm gonna take more time forjust one album.
Since I crammed 10 albums out,uh, and we spent a lot of time

(18:52):
on it.
It was even longer than Inormally would spend on an
album, one album, of course, butI'm gonna take some time on this
one album and just really finetune the songs and pick and be a
little uh selective with whatI'm doing.
I I've had this grand vision fora long time of making a musical
like Little Shop of Horrors orsomething like that.

(19:14):
Um so much fun.
So that's I think that's kind ofthe direction I'm headed in.
I've made a few tracks here andthere, but I I'm pretty sure
that's the direction I'm gonnaend up going.
It's like a a muck sticky originstory, but kind of like a
musical, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 (19:33):
That's awesome.
I have to tell you, I had peopleask me how much I really knew
they kind of quizzed me abouthow much I really knew about
you, and a lot of people don'tknow where your name came from.
I did.
I knew where your name came frombecause I love Steve Irwin.
I was awesome.
He was awesome.
God rest him.
I love him.
And then you love Beck.

(19:54):
And then on top of it, we goteverything mixed in together,
and here we are with Muxticky.

SPEAKER_02 (20:00):
Yeah.
So uh it's um being creative issuch a a fortunate thing, you
know.
Yeah, I think many people havethe ability to be creative, but
they don't let themselves be ascreative as they could because

(20:21):
they're again concerned with thegood opinion of others, you
know.
Um it hold that holds a lot ofpeople back as the opinion of
other people.
Um I think you have to sort oflet go of that.
Uh as long as you did whatyou're doing, you know, and and

(20:43):
you set yourself some rules.
I mean, you shouldn't just goaround saying, all right, I'm
gonna just like let all thehorrible things that I can
imagine out of me.
Because I mean, then you coulddo just, you know, you can do
anything, but for me, Irecognize that I recognized
early on that uh the stuff I'mgonna create, I'm gonna have to

(21:08):
sort of hang on to for the restof my life.
It's gonna be part of my worldfor the rest of my life.
Right.
And I remember hearing a lot ofpeople sing about the people
they didn't like or someone theyfell out of love with and you
know, treated them poorly orwhatever, you know, and like I
don't want to be singing aboutthat person for the rest of my

(21:30):
life, you know.
Um, so I want to sing about thethings I do love.
Now, I can't say I've alwaysstayed true to that rule.
There are some things that I didsing about early on that I'm not
a fan of anymore, but um thatwas part of my artistic
development.
Uh that's how we all figure outour way creatively, and so I

(21:52):
feel blessed to just have theopportunity every day to be
creative.
And um, but the name thing,yeah, Muck Sticky, Steve Irwin,
he was such a cool cat, man.
Uh I was so passionate about hisshow, and the day I wrote my
first song, his show was on TV,and it just it all kind of like

(22:16):
culminated in this perfectthing.
Um I I miss that guy, man.
Uh I mean I still watch hisshows from back then, but it's
not the same.
His son, Robert, is doing areally good job keeping stuff
alive, you know.
He's a great kid and uh admirethe way he does it, but there

(22:38):
was just something about Steve'senergy, man, that he was one.
He was a one of a kind, man.
You know, there's only there'sthere was only one Steve Irwin.
One of a kind.
He was one of them.

SPEAKER_01 (22:50):
Yeah, he's amazing.
His son's really doing a greatjob, but absolutely.
I mean, he's trying to, youknow, make memory for his father
forever and ever, but there'sonly one Steve Irwin, right?
So absolutely, yeah, 100%.
What is your absolute favoritesong of all of yours to sing?

SPEAKER_02 (23:08):
Oh goodness, to sing.
Um, man.
Probably had to say one day at atime.
That's uh my mom sings on thatone, and cookies sings on it
with us too.
Uh when she's at the show, whenthey're at the shows, they sing
it with me.
When I'm when I sing it at ashow, uh, I leave that second
verse.
I let that my mom's vocals playduring that second verse, you

(23:30):
know.
Uh that's probably my favoriteone.
Um I have a lot of songs that Icould say are my favorite.
And I wouldn't even say that'smy favorite song.
You asked to sing.
And so that's why I was able topinpoint that because during the
show, it's usually the last songof the show, and it's just um,
it makes me feel good when I'msinging that song.
Um, but uh of my songs, Icouldn't say that I have a

(23:54):
favorite one.
They're all like my kids.
I'm married.
I I often tell people I'mmarried to the music, and the
songs are my child are children,you know.
Um uh so together we made we'vemade some beautiful children.
Some of them are uh not as wellbehaved as others.
They're a little bit naughty, ifyou will.

(24:14):
And uh, but uh some of them arebetter behaved, and and I do
like some more than others, butum my mom, there are some that
she can't absolutely cannotstand.
Really?
I get that.
You know, some of my dirtierstuff from the early days, she's
just like, yeah, it's a littlewhatever, you know.

(24:35):
But she doesn't say it shouldn'thave been made because she
understands and respects thatartistry, you know what I mean.
But um, I was wilder when I wasyounger, a lot wilder uh in my
early 20s, and and oftentimeshave said things and you know
still do just to be provocative,you know what I mean, just to be

(24:56):
outrageous or outlandish,whatever, whatever word you want
to put on it.
Uh, just because I feel like alot of times people are
conditioned to be in a certainframe of mind, you know, and
like this is the rules, this isbad, that, you know, and like uh
I think you have to use yourinstinct on that.
If it does feel bad to you, thencool it is, but uh a lot of

(25:18):
times things that are funnyrequire a little bit of shock
value, you know.
You sometimes have to be like,oh, because I remember being
that way growing up and hearingstuff that I had never heard
before and going, holy cow,that's hilarious! You know, like
that's something I've neverheard before.
And so I've always wanted to dothat in music is make things
that I've never heard before.

(25:38):
And at the time when I startedmaking music, it was like the
late 90s, early 2000s.
We had been through the 90s,which is one of the most
outlandish decades.
South Park came about, you know,MMs and so many artists that's
pushed the boundaries to theextremes.
And it was like, okay, well, inorder to make a name for

(26:02):
yourself, you got to kind ofpush the limits, you know, and
say things that people havenever heard before.
So I was like, I want to saythings that people have never
heard before and that make meand my friends laugh when I when
I say them and I write them.
I'm writing a song right nowcalled Wild One.
As I said, I was a Wild One whenI was younger, but when I'm
writing these songs, it's likeI'm I'm making myself laugh.

(26:27):
You know, I'm trying to likecome up with something that
tickles me and and and makes mego, it's fucking hilarious, you
know?
So half the time I'm sittinghere laughing by myself, and if
I can do that, then I know it'shopefully gonna make other
people laugh.
And that when I'm doing that, Iknow I'm following that rule of

(26:48):
you know, heard Rick Rubin andall these people talking about
like um make a diary entry, dosomething because you like it.
And if you like it, then peoplewill like it.
Don't consider the audience,just make it because you enjoy
it.
And if you enjoy it inherently,hopefully other people will
enjoy it.
So I try to keep that in mindwhen I make a stuff, do
something that I'm gonna enjoywhen I listen to it.

(27:10):
And so like I said, I'm I'mbeing alone winded again in a
little bit, but when uh myfavorite songs are, you know, I
love them all for their ownthing, you know what I mean?
For what they helped me feelwhile I was making it.

SPEAKER_01 (27:24):
Yeah.
Well, my uh, you know, you gotto meet Faith uh before we went
on and started to record.
She we almost lost her againlast year.
Um she went to full organ, wealmost lost her again last year.
She went into full organfailure.
Um, and now she has kidneydisease on top of the cranial
facial.
And so we would like sit thereand you know listen to music and

(27:47):
talk and stuff, and then shestill is followed with all of
the specialists.
And so I took her to one of herappointments and I tell her
sometimes, you know, today'sgonna be a good day, and we
listen to the video, you know,or you're in the bathroom, we
listen to so she was sitting inthere in the doctor's office and
he came in and made somecomment, and she's you know,
starts humming.
And he's like, What are youhumming?

(28:07):
And everybody's fascinatedbecause her tongue doesn't move.
And so I used to teach herinstead of saying I need, I
want, or you know, she learnedsign very young.
Um, I taught her sign language.
So for her to be able tocommunicate and the doctors
would be like, What are youhumming?
What are you saying?
You know, and she's like, Youdon't want to know.
So when she was little, likebecause of a proxia, she

(28:30):
couldn't say B, Ps, or M's.
So instead of Apple, and if shehated the doctors, she would say
asshole.
And I was like, Oh, she's sayingApple, you know, trying to be
mom.
And then so we're at the doctornot long ago, and she's humming
because I play your music allthe time.
And it helps me de-stress.
And the doctor looked at her andwas like, What are you humming?

(28:52):
And she was like, Oh, you don'twant to know.
He's like, Yeah, I do.
And she's like, Oh, go fuckyourself, suck a bag of dicks.

SPEAKER_02 (29:00):
That's so good for her.
I'm so happy today.
That feels my soul.
That's so awesome.
That is so awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (29:10):
You know, um so you really do get into, you know,
you make everybody when theirday is tough, you make it so
much easier because a smile,that's where we got the
contagious smile, is becauseevery smile tells a story and
they're all beautiful.
And if you can't smile, then youcan get stuck back at it.

SPEAKER_02 (29:27):
It is it can it is contagious, you know.
You uh when you see somebodyelse smile, it helps you smile,
you know.
And um I was gonna ask a coupleof things.
Did she has she seen the girlTacey that does must does fuck
off in sign language?

SPEAKER_01 (29:47):
Yes.
Oh yes, yes, because I've signedup with her too.
Yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:51):
That's awesome.
Good for her.
I'm glad to know that.
Um, I just wanted to make sure Iplugged her because she's done
quite a few of those and they'reso awesome.
I love it.

SPEAKER_01 (29:58):
Yeah, she has a special need son.

SPEAKER_02 (30:00):
Yes.
I can't remember what it is.

SPEAKER_01 (30:05):
No, he's bedridden.
I know that.

SPEAKER_02 (30:10):
But she's she's amazing.
She does amazing stuff.
And uh, but what I was gonnasay, that song, uh, you know.
Early on in my career, uh,because of what I was saying a
minute ago about like, I'm notgonna uh talk about the lover I

(30:33):
had a fallen out with orsomething, you know.
I mean, I'm not gonna make my mysongs about anybody in
particular because that song'snot about anybody in particular.
That it's like I it's like aculmination of like 20 years of
not telling people to fuck off,you know?
Um, and uh so to every time Isee somebody, especially I love

(30:59):
the blind reactions that peopledo like on TikTok and stuff to
that song, it's just the bestthing ever.
Because you can see thatperson's like maybe not in the
you know, they're on theirguard.
They're not they're not they'renot loose and free, you know.
And when they hear those lyrics,especially it seems like the
shitty grandkids line is the onethat finally gets everybody,

(31:22):
right?
Uh but as soon as as soon as itcomes on, you can see their
expression change, and I lovethat because it's evident that
um there's power in what I wassaying a minute ago, but shock
shock value, but also laughter,you know, um smile.
And uh when we amplify that, uheven if it's letting go of a

(31:51):
frustration, like go fuckyourself.
Um you're you're you can be somad at somebody or something in
the world, and it's like whenyou release that feeling, uh, no
matter if it's that song orwhatever kind of music you
listen to, or some people gorock climbing, some people punch
a punch a bag, you know, there'sall kinds of ways to uh health

(32:15):
uh in a healthy way release yourstress, you know.
Yes, and so I feel like my jobis to help people relieve their
stress through music.
And if it just makes you smile alittle bit, uh, I've done my
job.
And because the world is so fullof horrible, nasty shit, right?

(32:36):
And so many bad people doingthings that we don't like.
And if we can just sort of letgo of that and overcome it, then
I feel like it'll help us all ingeneral, you know.
Um, and so to know that songhelps her in that way.
I mean, that's to if it's just astressful situation like going

(32:59):
to the doctor, you know, I knowwhat that's like.
Um Cookie knows what that'slike, you know.
Um to be able to find somerelief in that, man, that just
to me, that's what it's allabout, you know, like because
life is never gonna not havethose stressful moments.
Right.
And if we can alleviate them andbe more in tune with ourselves

(33:23):
throughout, be present andaware, you know, that's to me,
that's just that's everything.
That's everything.
Yeah, I'm so thrilled to knowthat.
I don't know how how good thatmakes me feel to know that.

SPEAKER_01 (33:36):
Well, I'll give you a funny one.
My husband, who's sitting overhere beside me, he was my rock.
Um, he was my soulmate.
I met him over 25 years ago, andthe timing was wrong.
And I tried the jealousy thing,which didn't work, and I married
the man that beat me and wasabusive.
And so now we're back together,we've been together for a while
now, and he legally adoptedFaith, and that's his daughter.
And he always calls her hissquiggly.

SPEAKER_02 (33:57):
What a man hat hats off to him.
Thank you, yeah, for sure.
Absolutely, man.

SPEAKER_01 (34:06):
So what's so funny is one of well, Seth, I I always
have to put a silver liningaround everything.
So, like now that I've lost myarm, my husband will be like,
Oh, is it half off?
I'd be like, Yeah, you're notgetting any handouts, I'll tell
you that.

SPEAKER_02 (34:19):
So, like, it's I love people who can embrace the
and make comedy out of it.
It's so you have to so great.
Have you ever seen um have youever seen the movie The Way Way
Back?

SPEAKER_01 (34:33):
I think I have.
It's been a while.

SPEAKER_02 (34:34):
If it's what I think Correll with where the kid gets
the job at the water park.

SPEAKER_01 (34:39):
Haven't we seen that?

SPEAKER_02 (34:40):
Oh, you have to watch this movie.
Way, way back the way, way back.

SPEAKER_01 (34:45):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (34:45):
It's got Steve Carrell and um Tony Colette.
She's in a lot of movies.
Yeah, she's so good in it.
Uh is got I mean, there's somany good people in that movie,
but um it's there's a momentjust just watch that movie.

(35:06):
And there's a kid who has awandering eye, and he meets the
the guy who runs the water park,and the way their interaction is
so pure and great.
It's like to me, that's theessence of life is being able to
embrace everything aboutyourself.

(35:26):
And when you don't, to me,that's when you get depressed
and have all sorts of mentalproblems.
And like when you fully embraceeverything about yourself,
you're able to overcome and andknow who you are in the world.
And to me, those those jokesy'all make, that's that's it.
To me, that's everything beingable to embrace it like that,
man.

SPEAKER_01 (35:46):
So I'm well that's what's so funny, is because I
always have to make people laughlike about it.
And you know, I have 26 piecesof metal in my face, and I'm
like, honey, you don't have totake me for a shower, you can
just take me through a WD40watch, like it's just all, you
know, because I'm underwarranty, technically, right?
So my husband and daughter havefather-daughter movie night
every Saturday night, okay?

(36:06):
And I go downstairs one day toget some tea, and I walk down
there and they're watchingfucking stall, right?

SPEAKER_04 (36:14):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (36:14):
I'm like, are you kidding me?
Are you serious?
So they thought it washilarious, just hilarious.
So one of my last surgeries Ijust had, they removed my
eardrum and my station tubes andeverything.
So I'm 100% deaf in my right earand 88% deaf in my left.
So my husband and I have neverhad a fight in 25 years.

(36:36):
And he said something stupid.
And I was like, okay.
So then I'm I literally weregetting ready to go to bed, and
every night we just crack uplaughing together.
And he made some stupid comment.
So I was like, oh, go fuckyourself.
Suck a bag and take yourgrandma, you know, and I'm
singing this.
And then immediately I was like,I turn over and my right ear's
up.
So guess what?
I can't hear him.

(36:57):
And I like talk to the ear, andI turn the right side to him,
and he knows he can't speakbecause I can't hear him.
So it's great, right?

SPEAKER_02 (37:03):
So I was like, instead of talk to the hand,
talk to the ear.

SPEAKER_01 (37:07):
It's like talk to the hand.
Thanks, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (37:15):
And so beautiful.
Y'all are y'all are awesome.
I love what y'all.
Uh y'all's vibe is just sogreat.
My buddy Nick told me aboutthis.
I looked it up and I was like,oh, these people are amazing.
I'm totally out for this.

SPEAKER_01 (37:25):
Oh, because you and I've talked quite a bit
sometimes on TikTok.
And you know, and I know youhave kind of been low-key this
this year.
And I was like, oh, this is likeon my bucket list is you.
And I was like, I really want totalk to him.
Yeah.
And so, and then I'm like, he'smet Alice Cooper, and he's been
up there with uh, you know,Debbie Gibson, and he's all the

(37:46):
I'm like, and he's gonna talk tome.
And my husband's like, you're oncameo, and I'm like, I don't
care about any of that garbage.
Like, I this is muck sticky.
Like, you know, and he's like,babe, you know, are you gonna be
okay?
I'm like, it's muck sticky.
And he's like, I get it.
Like, I go around humming themusic all the time and singing
all the time, like I was like,this guy's a love, and he's so

(38:07):
awesome because I love who youare, what you stand for, that
you're cookie's best friend.
My daughter's like, Mama, you'remy best friend.
Um, mentally, she's not her age.
And so it's it's fun in theaspect that she's all like her
and my husband are like grumpyon men.
She'll walk up and she'll belike, slut, and he'll be like
virgin, and they just back andforth, you know, because she's

(38:30):
she's almost funny.
And she'll be like, you know,what and she'll go somewhere,
like she gave him a DunkitDonuts gift card, and they
always prank each other daily.
And so he called and he waslike, Hey, my beautiful daughter
gave me her gift card.
And she's like, FaceTime me,FaceTime me.
So he puts it on FaceTime, hegoes to the drive-thru and he

(38:53):
hands it and he goes, Mybeautiful daughter wanted to
give me a coffee.
And they're like, sir, this cardisn't even activated.
There's nothing on the card.
And he's like, What?
And she reaches over and goes, Iguess you kind of want your
wallet, right?
These are this is like a dailything between them.

SPEAKER_02 (39:11):
That's great.
Y'all sounds like y'all have asuper happy life, and I'm so I'm
so glad for that for y'all,especially considering what
you've been through.
You know, like you totallydeserve it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (39:22):
Um, let me ask you your piece of advice on
something.
I have created this atContagious Smile Academy, and I
have built it.
My education is prettyintensive.
I'm wondering when my husband'sgonna spit out my background for
my education.
I don't want people to know mytitles because titles to me are
not relevant.
It's I'd rather people know mefrom me than my background.

(39:45):
So um I've started this academyand it's for special needs.
Like kids can go in there, andeverybody learns differently.
And so a child who might behaving a problem learning how to
add or subtract can go on, andthere's a whole collaboration
called Stucco Squad, and that'smy service dog is stucco.
And stucco is you appear in thefirst course, and stucco is in

(40:05):
the classroom going, Where aremy cookies?
And you have to find where hiscookies are, and it teaches you,
well, I started with five, andnow there's three.
So how many is missing?
Let's find them together.
And these kids are learning.
And there's there's a plethora.
I've written 134 courses, andthen we have all of them for the
Safe Haven Phoenix Center foranybody through who's gone

(40:27):
through any kind of any kind ofabuse.
Um, then there's courses forspecial needs adults, there's
courses on insurance, how toadvocate for them, how to take
care of yourself as a caregiver,any and everything you can
imagine.
Now, my husband and I um willtell you because I've done this,
it's free to join, and all ofthe courses are free.

(40:48):
Except right, except some ofthem are like$4.99, things like
that.
But we ask people if they willdonate because that way we can
cover the cost of the platformand stuff.
I don't take a paycheck.
I've never taken a paycheck, butit's quite challenging because
we live check to check becauseof it.
Um, that how can because you'vebeen so successful, how can I

(41:10):
get more people to become awareof this and want to get more
involved?

SPEAKER_02 (41:15):
Um, it's a good question.
Um I'll say it's it's tough toknow the right avenues.
You you have to find youraudience.
You know, I I'm a big believerin that.
I used to spend so much timetrying to get every anybody and

(41:38):
everybody in the world payingattention to what I'm doing.
And I've come to find that it'smore about finding your tribe,
you know, it saying goes, youknow.

SPEAKER_01 (41:48):
Uh well that's just it.
My my tribe has no money.
Huh?
Like, like you and I weretalking about earlier, my tribe
for the special needs, familieshave no extra money because all
of this goes into the coverage.
So that's why I refuse.

SPEAKER_02 (42:02):
Well, it's you got it free.
So um, and if you can eventuallyget what you got, you know,
great numbers, if you if you canthere are a lot of people who
maybe this is something to lookinto, but there are a lot of
people who offer grants forespecially for things like that.
If you you gotta find somebody,or you can research, you seem

(42:25):
like a very intelligent person,can probably figure out how to
do it yourself.
But there's way that you writegrant writing, I think, is like
a special type of deal.
You have to word it all properlyand everything.
Um, I've never done one, but Ido know they're out there, and
that seems like something thatwould be a perfect uh candidate
for something like that.

(42:46):
Or if you could find a sponsor,you know, that uh that could
maybe you could, you know,partner up with uh in a way to
you know maybe help advocate orpromote their product, you know,

(43:08):
within your course uh or youknow, along the site or
something like that.
Um but to to get it to reallytake off, you know, I would my
success I can only attribute tocoming from just being

(43:30):
relentless, you know, nevergiving up, but going after it
when it seems like it's likethis is not what you're supposed
to be doing.
Um and and my biggest successeshave come uh organically without
me having to do anything aboutit.

(43:51):
Like I didn't I didn't make itphysically make it happen.
I didn't like I've never I'venever once hired a publicist in
my 20-something year career.
I've never paid a dime forpublicity, I've never advertised
me.
Like I think one time one of myassistants bought a Facebook ad
for like a hundred and somethingbucks, and and I was even mad

(44:13):
because he did it because I waslike, I don't want to advertise,
it's just not the way I'd goabout.
I know that's how you go aboutdoing things in a lot of
business ventures, but I justdon't want to be one of those
people.
I don't want to advertise.
I want I want people toorganically share.
And it's taken me a lot longerto find success, but it's much

(44:37):
sweeter because of it, I'll tellyou that.
And um, and I know even likewhere I am now, I should
probably be a lot further alongthan I am, given how much time
and effort I put into it.
But I know what it's done forreal people in the real world.

(45:00):
And to me, like we're all justhere for a little while, right?
Money is just a tool to uhafford the things you need to
have shelter and and food andthe things you like in life,
whatever, you know what I mean?
Entertainment, that sort ofthing, you know.

(45:20):
Uh it's just a tool to get thosethings.
And um so I don't I've neverreally been like one of those
like trying to make a lot ofmoney.
I I do want to make a lot ofmoney, but I've never really
like, all right, this is mydriving force is to get rich,
you know what I mean?
My driving force has always beenthe story you just told me about

(45:41):
her in the doctor's officesinging song in her head to
overcome that because I knowonce I'm dead and gone, that's
all it's gonna be, is what I'veleft with people, you know, the
way they feel about the music uhand art I've created.
Uh I look to other people that Ithat that are no longer here

(46:03):
anymore, that I was a fan of orgave me some sort of influence
or inspiration.
And I think, well, they'realready dead and gone, is all
the money they made, you know,even if they got super rich off
of it, what's you know, doesthat matter to them now?
No, it doesn't.
You know what I mean?
So the money I make is not gonnamatter to me once I'm dead and
gone.
So I've always just kind of likekept things rolling, you know

(46:26):
what I mean?
I I don't uh I don't desire formassive.

SPEAKER_01 (46:32):
Oh no, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to do
it from my pocket.
I'm doing it because I like I'veset up a buy me a coffee, and
then what it is is I have peopledonate$5.
And then if somebody comes to meand says, I have a child with
special needs, you don't have tosay anymore.
I will give them scholarshipsand all of it's free.
Where I am not taking apaycheck, and don't get me
wrong.

SPEAKER_02 (46:52):
I I'm just saying as far as like to make things more
successful, I've never reallyfocused on that.
So I I don't really know.
Fuck off became what it becamebecause of people doing it on
TikTok.
I I had nothing to do with it.
People, I'll tell you the storyhow that happened.
This was 2021.
I will say being risky andtaking chances and um being

(47:20):
willing to step out of yourcomfort zone is the thing.
I hear a lot of people talkabout it, and it's a continual,
it's never like, oh, well, Istepped out of my comfort zone
and now I'm out of my comfortzone.
Where's all the success?
You know, it's not like that.
It's like a continual thing.
But um back in 2021, uh I hadhad a TikTok a couple of years

(47:44):
before, but a one of my phonesgot wiped and I lost access to
it.
And I couldn't, I'd emailedTikTok and gotten to friends to
try to reach out to them andstuff, and couldn't ever get
that account back.
So I was like, all right, fuckit.
I'm not doing TikTok.
And it had been a year or moresince I had been on it, and
somebody tweeted me and theywere like, hey, you're going

(48:04):
viral on TikTok.
And I'm like, oh, that's cool.
And I've had dozens of viralsongs over the years, you know,
tons of them.
And so it's not like a hugeordeal when I get a couple
million views on something,right?
So I was like, that's cool,awesome, going viral on TikTok,
great, love to hear that.
And then people kept no, like,seriously, bro, you gotta look
this shit up.

(48:24):
It's like going fucking crazy.
And I'm like, all right, cool.
So I started a new TikTokaccount, and sure enough,
there's women mostly on therewith uh doing my song, um, lip
syncing it, and six, eightmillion views, you know what I'm
saying?
And like lots of them.
And uh, so I was like, allright, well, I guess I gotta do

(48:47):
one uh because I see all thecomments, and like people are
thinking the person lip syncingis actually it's their song, and
I'm like, no, it's my song.
Uh at least one of credit forit, you know what I mean?
Like, yeah.
So I did one and uh and it wentviral, and then I started I
really enjoyed watching them.

(49:08):
I love watching people lip syncthem.
Like it's it's more fun thanwatching me do it for me, for
me, you know, like it's uh Ilike doing it, but it's more fun
watching these other people doit, especially like the the the
girl Tacey who does the the signlanguage and the blind
reactions.
But so I started doing the duetswhere it was like, let me watch
somebody else doing it and youknow promote them, you know what

(49:30):
I mean?
Um, because they're the oneshelping my song go viral.
I can at least give a littleback, you know what I mean?
And uh so I think that's turnedinto the most fun part about it
is it's like a pastime for me.
I I'm I sit down and I watchpeople do these songs and I find
one I really like, and I'm like,all right, let me do that, that
one, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 (49:49):
Well, Faith has appointments all the time.
I'm gonna ask her the next timeif I can get her to do it and
record it and send it to you.
Because it's hysterical.
It is hysterical because thiskid, they tell her, like one of
the doctors didn't know it washe was one of the specialists,
and he looked at her and hegoes, bite your tongue.
She goes, You cocksuckingasshole.
I don't have one.
And she like, she's like, uh,you know, and he was like, uh,

(50:12):
and she goes, now what you gonnasay?
How's your foot taste?
Huh?
And she's like, when you getyour head out your ass, you
won't need a proctology exam.
How does that feel?
And she's like, nine.
Nine.
I mean, she and they were like,Are you gonna let her talk to me
that way?
You're damn right I am, becauseI've taught her to stick up for
herself, which is what she does.
And if you're a grown man andyou're gonna act like an Anna

(50:34):
Ramus, then you know what?
You deserve everything she givesyou and more.

SPEAKER_02 (50:37):
Hey, you know, to be bold, it takes a lot of courage,
man.
You know.
Umfortunately, we live in aworld, and I've always said this
like people commonly make fun ofthings they don't understand,
you know.
And you shouldn't always justgive a peep people a pass for

(50:59):
not understanding.
Uh, but I also try to keep thatin mind, you know.
I I spent a great deal of mytime, like I said before, as a
young man, being angry at allthe people in the world who
looked at my sister funny, youknow what I mean, and or
whispered things as we walked insomewhere.
And uh I realized that, youknow, we've only got so much

(51:24):
time on this planet.
I know who my sister is, she'sthe most beautiful person in the
world.

SPEAKER_00 (51:28):
I think she's stuck.

SPEAKER_02 (51:29):
They don't know, so it's you know, they're kind of
ignorant, and that makes themnot smart, you know, and like um
I can spend all my time tryingto educate everyone and get or
getting mad at them, you knowwhat I mean?
Like, uh, but that's just gonnafill my life with anger and

(51:52):
frustration at the endlessamounts of people out there in
the world who don't understand.
And uh so I shifted my focus ata certain point to just
recognizing the beauty in herand seeing that for what it is
and not really being concerned.
I mean, you know, being in thepublic eye, you and making music

(52:14):
videos and things like that, andhaving her in some of them, and
uh you see a lot of comments onthe internet, people aren't the
kindest, you know, and um itjust becomes one of those things
where it their opinions becomemeaningless.
They don't they don't hold it,uh hold no value in them because

(52:35):
I recognize what a human brainis.
It's a it's a set of neuronsthat are wired according to how
uh the person is genetically forone, but also the way they were
conditioned as they were raised,the environment they were in.
Um now along the way, therecomes a point in time where you

(52:58):
have to go, okay, I was raisedthis way or I come from this,
but I gotta learn to make abetter way for myself.
I gotta I gotta figure out anddo some rewiring, you know what
I mean?
And if you're willing to dothat, then I'll give you a pass,
you know.
But if you're not willing to dothat and you just continue to
make fun of people for the waythey look or something, you know

(53:20):
what I mean, then that's when Idon't feel like they deserve a
pass.
But for the most part, I justkind of like you know, is what
it is.
God bless them, you know.
Father, forgive them, they knownot what they do, as the old
Bible sort isn't that what Jesussaid, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (53:40):
You're beautiful on that, like I I can see the
beauty from within and it justradiates on the outside.
And then like faith says that'swhy your assholes in the bottom
underneath, because you know, itstinks and you're not worthy of
it, and it shows on the outside.
You know, like people will stareat her and she'll be like, Do
you need a hug?
It's not coming from me.
But like, you know, she'llshe'll tell people go get a hug
or go get bent, you know, andshe'll be like I love it.

SPEAKER_02 (54:03):
That's funny.
She says that about the asshole.
I gotta it reminds me of a lyricI wrote once.
It's like uh uh opinions arelike assholes.
Everybody's got them at thebottom, and most of them are
full of shit.
The only one you need to beconcerned with is your own.
Take good care of it.
Like, you know, it's like, youknow, be concerned with your own
opinion of yourself.
And if you hold yourself, that'snot that doesn't give you the

(54:26):
right to just go around and be apiece of shit in the world.
And as long as I like me, I'mfine.
You know, fuck everybody.
Uh, you gotta be like, holdyourself to a standard, like,
all right, I'm gonna like myselfif I'm a decent person.
You know, if I'm not a decentperson, I'm not gonna like
myself.
And you can see evidence ofpeople out there in the world
who don't like themselves.

(54:47):
You know, it's clear they don'tlike themselves.
Um so if you like yourself andyou take care of yourself,
that'll bleed over onto others.
What is the old phrase?
My cup, uh, your cup runnethover.
That's only when your cup isfull, you know.
When your cup is full of lovefor you and who you are inside,
then it can spill over intoother people.

(55:09):
You know, if you don't trulylove yourself, you can love
other people, but I'm afraidoftentimes it's it's it's not as
full as it could be if you ifyou generate that, and I'm not
talking about the love like, oh,I'm a I'm a this and I I've met

(55:30):
this one person and we're inlove together now.
I think and being in lovetogether comes from like you're
so full of love already, andthis person's so full of love
already, and you get togetherand you're just in love because
there's so much love, you know,you're both full of love.
That's what being in love is.
Uh, and it can be with a bestfriend, uh somebody in your

(55:51):
family, you know, uh maybe wedon't want an incest or anything
like that.
I'm just saying, like, you know,you can still love people fully,
you know, in through all aspectsof life, whether it be uh like I
tell strangers all the time,hey, I love you, or some someone

(56:12):
I just it's just kind of afriend.
I love you.
And it's not because like I'minfatuated with this person, I'm
obsessed with them or something,it's because I'm full of love
and I got enough for you too.
You know what I'm saying?
I got enough love for all y'all.
And uh now if you come at mewith some evil, hateful, nasty
shit, I'll show you a little bitof love, but if you keep coming

(56:34):
at me with it, then I'm gonnacut you off.
I mean, hey, go fuck yourself.
You know what I mean?
Like there comes a line.
You have to know when that lineis.
Everybody has a different line,you know.
And I I know where mine is, andhopefully you do too.
I'm sure you do too.

SPEAKER_01 (56:51):
Um well, I wanted to to leave you with this.
My my my daughter was talkingabout you before we we came on,
and her stuffed animal that Igave her the day she was born is
called Buttercup.
And when you're you know, inyour lyrics, you're talking
about buttercup.
And she's like, I have theperfect line for him.
And I said, What is that?
And she says, When I see peoplewho are really ugly and they're

(57:11):
mean and full of hate, and she'slike, You could tell him he can
use this.
And I was like, Okay, I'll tellmugs he can use this.
And she's like, I tell them totake their bottom lip, pull it
over their head, and swallow.

SPEAKER_02 (57:25):
That is amazing.
I've never heard that before.
Take your bottom lip, pull itover your head and swallow.
That is amazing.
All right.
Um since faith is telling me Ican use that, I'm gonna use
that.
Uh that's amazing.
I'm gonna jot that down in mynotes because uh take your

(57:48):
bottom lip.
I'm pretty good at shorthands,so I'm gonna lip uh I'm gonna
know I'm gonna know that wherethat came from.
You tell Faith if she ever hearsthat in a song one day later on

(58:09):
down the road that she can say,hey, I inspired that.
I appreciate that.
It's very kind.
Yeah, I'm gonna use that.
That's fucking amazing.
I've never heard that onebefore.

SPEAKER_01 (58:20):
She has them all the time.

SPEAKER_02 (58:22):
Like you're like, take a long walk off a shore
bridge.
Uh I I tried to use as many ofthem as I could remember in that
song.
And really, that that song wasthat it like I said, it was just
like me going, okay, I'm gonnamake a song about telling people
to fuck up.
What are all the funniestphrases that I can think of to

(58:44):
incorporate?
But that I should have heardthat one before I put that
before I wrote.

SPEAKER_04 (58:50):
You could do a remix.
You could do a remix.

SPEAKER_02 (58:51):
Maybe they'll be a part two.
Uh maybe they'll be able to dothat.
You know, I did put fuck thisshit out.
That's another one that kind ofI think has helped a lot of
people in similar situationsfuck this shit.
And I I purposely wrote it inthe context of, you know, you're
leaving a job or need to get outof a toxic relationship or
something.
I'm leaving you in the past,sort of thing.

(59:12):
Because I think a lot of peoplehave problems leaving things in
the past.
I fortunately have developed amechanism within me, or maybe it
was just inherently in me, butof being able to leave things in
the past because I recognizedI'm only gonna get this one life
and I've got to make the best ofit.
And I knew it, like I say, whenmy best friend died, that was

(59:34):
really a turning point momentfor me of realizing you know,
you gotta make the best of thislife and uh do the best you can
with what you have where youare.
And uh as long as you keep goingwith that, you're you're doing a
great thing with what you got.
Um I commend you for doing whatyou do.
Um, I'll definitely anyinteractions I have with people

(59:58):
in my World that mention needinghelp with anything, special
needs.
If you go, um, I will say thisthis may be some people, you
know, because it's all abouttrue connection.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:11):
Um the the video on my Instagram, and it may it may
be like this on Facebook aswell, and I think some on TikTok
as well, but uh of Cookie'sdental procedure.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:24):
I've seen it so many revealing stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:25):
There's a few videos around it, but I see a lot of
people in the comments ummentioning they have various
conditions.
William syndrome is one becausethat's cookie's condition, um,
who were comment, hey, I I haveWilliam syndrome too.
You know, so if you're into realpersonal connection, maybe go

(01:00:46):
find some of those people andreach out to them on a personal
level and say, hey, you know, weoffer this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:53):
You know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:54):
Well, I would never do that without your permission.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:56):
Huh?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:57):
I would never do that without your permission.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:58):
Sure, no, people in the comments, that's you don't
need my permission for that.
They've made a public comment.
You know, I know, but Isurround.
That's what I'm just saying.
Like, uh I've found that's thebest way.
That's what the internet is for,if you ask me.
It's not about it can be aboutreaching a lot millions of
people and inspiring people intheir day-to-day life, but
mostly it's about connection.

(01:01:20):
You know, uh before theinternet, there was a thing
called a phone.
Right.
And we called each other andspoke to each other.
Right.
And uh the internet, I feel, hasuh decimated that to a degree.
Um, there's not as much pureconnection, but it should be, it
should make it even more so.

(01:01:42):
You should be able to reach outto all those people and say,
hey, uh, you know, we have thisthing.
Uh, if we can help you with it,we'd love to help you.
And the more you you say youwant if if my advice or
suggestion on growing, thatwould be the way to do it is to
reach out to the people whotruly need it, tell them about

(01:02:06):
it, and maybe they'll tellsomebody else about it.
That's been my philosophy withMuggsticky Music since day one
is I want people telling eachother about it.
I don't want you to hear, thinkit's the coolest thing because
it's on fucking everyadvertisement you see or every
radio station plays the song onrepeat over and over.
That's all paid for, you know.
Like I don't want people to go,hey man, I really fucking dig

(01:02:28):
this.
You should check it out too, youknow.
And same thing goes for yourcourse.
If you want, send it to thosepeople and they'll tell other
people about it.
And before you know it, it'lleventually make its way to the
people it needs to make it to,and you'll have you'll, I mean,
you're sure you've already inyour time already.
I can't imagine how many amazinglives you've touched through

(01:02:49):
what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:51):
Well, I do about a hundred plus scholarships a day
that I that I'm donating.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:55):
Oh, awesome! Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:57):
Thank you.
And like I said, I'm not doingit for any money, I'm doing it
just so I can keep the platformgoing and open.
But um, maybe we could do a livetogether on on TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:05):
I would look out for that anytime.
Anytime you see me on there, uh,just send me a request or in
comments say, Hey, I'd send youa request.
Uh, I'll definitely bring youon.
I do them randomly.
I don't do them too much, butI'm I never have a problem going
live with people I know.
I don't go live with justBrandos or like, hey, can I do
it live with you?
I'm like, yeah, no, you mightpull a body part out.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:28):
Yeah, here's a boob.
I'm uh I have one more for you.
When my when my daughter cameout of her medically induced
coma, um, they left her stomachopen.
And so she I she would listenall the time.
She had bad guests.
So I would play your song.
I think I should a little in.
I farted.
And she thought it washysterical.
So my husband would come up umand stay up there when he could.

(01:03:50):
And so I stayed with her and Inever left.
And she would come over andshe'd be like, Dad, Dad, and she
just got the ventilator takenout.
She'd be like, Dad, come here.
And she would turn on her sideand she would just rip the
nastiest smelling apart.
And she'd go, Guess what?
My butt blew you a kiss.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:11):
That's awesome.
She sounds like such acharacter.
Y'all, y'all are so blessed.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:17):
Yes, that's so awesome.
And I'm so blessed to have youhere.
Do you have anything you want tosay to him before?

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:23):
Yeah, hey, buddy.
I'm Michael.
That's my husband.
So when are you coming out withuh your mucky jays?
The what?
Your own brand line of stickypajamas.
Oh, we've got them.
We've had them for you stickywho is the big mug sticky

(01:04:43):
fanatic and who just coming intogo to the link in my bio on
TikTok or Instagram and pajamas.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:56):
They're a little pricey.
They're a little pricey becausethey cost us a lot to get made,
and they're all done print toorder.
Like you click it, we have itprinted and sent straight to
you.
Uh, but they're high, super highquality.
I'm a pajama connoisseur.
I've been wearing pajamas everyday for 23 plus years, and uh I

(01:05:17):
know good quality.
And I went with this uh companybecause of the quality.
They got deep pockets in them.
You can wear them in public.
That's awesome.
That was always my problem withwearing pajamas in public, is
most of the time it's like myshit would fall out of my
pockets anytime I sat down.
And these, they'll the shit'llstay, your phone will stay in

(01:05:37):
your pocket, you know.
It's it's deep enough.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:39):
So well, Faith wants to make sure that you get your
Christmas ornament.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:44):
That's so awesome.
I I great, I sincerelyappreciate that.
In fact, um, send me uh uh my onmy website.
There's a a fan mailing addressif you send it to me there.
Um and I'll and you send me youraddress, I'll send you guys.
I don't have the pajamas instock here, but I've got some
cool muck sticky stuff.
I'll send you put together alittle package for you guys.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:06):
Oh, she would love it.
I'd never get it.
She would be like, listen.
And it's so great because we'llbe out somewhere and she'll be
singing, and they'll somebody belike, You should watch your
mouth.
And she just kept singing.
She's like, I'm singing.
And like, it doesn't matter.
You know, life is too short.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:19):
Well, you tell you tell her here here's one from me
to her next time somebody tellsher to watch her mouth, say,
Where's it gonna go?

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:30):
No, that's what she said.
They'll say, watch your mouth orbite your tongue.
And she's like, I don't haveone, asshole.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:35):
It's not going anywhere.
All right.
Well, I love you guys.
Thanks for having me on.
Appreciate you so much.
Y'all are super amazing.
Keep up the good work.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:44):
Thank you so much.
Hang on for me one second whilewe cut this off.
I want to thank everybody somuch for listening.
It's I'm so excited.
This just made my whole day.
This is my birthday present.
This is my birthday present.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:55):
An anniversary.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:56):
Happy belated birthday.
I'm glad to glad to celebratewith you.
Uh, again, you guys are trulytremendous in what you do.
And uh, I've had an absolutelyblast being on and when my when
my new album comes out in thespringtime, send me a send us a
message.
I'll come back on.
We'll do another one.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:14):
I'd love to.
Thank you so much.
I would love to.
We, you know, we have 40 millionfollowers across all of our I
would love to anyway.
I can help promote aisle.
I told Nick the same thing.
If there was any way that Icould help him, I would be glad
to.
And um, the sweet lady whosigns, if I can help bring
awareness for her and help hernumbers, because I know she's

(01:07:36):
getting paid now for TikToks.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:38):
Send her a message.
I'm sure she would be totallydown for it.
Totally down for it.
Tacey Lynn is her name.
Yeah.
Um, you go to my page, she'sshe's uh she's awesome.
I love her.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:48):
Yeah, I will prefer that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:50):
I commend there are a lot of people out there who do
really good work, and uh, youknow, I'm always happy to
promote them and others who aredoing a good thing in the world
because I think that's you know,I'm a big believer in what we
focus on becomes more of, youknow.
And uh so I'm I'm all aboutfocusing on and helping shed

(01:08:12):
light onto the good stuff in theworld because we need it, you
know, everybody needs a littlemore positivity in their life.
I need it, I need morepositivity in my life every day.
Just don't put your bottom.
I know my music's a lot ofpositive stuff, but I just know
I and it's I I always I alwaysneed more.
So this has been very positiveand funny.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:31):
Whatever I can do to help you, I don't know what it
would be, anything at all.
I'm happy to do it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:35):
Hey, and uh cookie situation, uh, that would be the
only thing I would say is youknow, uh, there's a GoFundMe
link in my bio.
You can go to that andcontribute to that.
Any of your listeners feelinggenerous.
Uh, we did have to pay for itall out of pocket.
Uh fortunately had a few peoplechip in a couple of nice little
chunks.
Our grandparents put some in.

(01:08:55):
Um, we had a couple of friendsput a nice few nice chunks in,
but uh it to me is worth it.
You know, we I I'll pay on itfor as long as I'm alive if I
have, which won't happen.
Uh it'll get taken care of.
But right, uh, you know, it'sone of those things it's like,
and I say that to anybody elseout there, do whatever you gotta

(01:09:15):
do.
Take out I we took out someloans.
If you have to take out loans toget it done, if you're
struggling with teeth issues,get it done if if you can,
because yeah, I hesitated foryears being scared of the
procedure itself, really.
Yeah, and I did it awake andcookie did it wide awake.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:37):
Four hours she did.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:39):
Four and a half hours of just being awake while
they do that, and it's it'srough, I will say, because I I I
went through it myself um twice,actually.
I had to have mine done in twotwo separate procedures, and uh
it's not the most pleasantthing, but it is completely

(01:10:01):
worth it, and it's nowhere nearas bad as you think it's gonna
be.
It's nowhere near as bad as youthink it's gonna be.
So uh that's uh that and yeah,if I can say anything about um
where the world needs help isdental issues being part of
insurance, being covered byinsurance because it a hundred

(01:10:25):
percent affects your life.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:26):
I had to cover her though, because she has Williams
syndrome.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:31):
Nope, nope, they they'll cover like um you know
$2,500 worth a year worth ofprocedures, and it's a$43,000
procedure.
So what's she supposed to haveit done over the course of
$43,000 divided by$2,500?
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, uh you know, so uh uh it'suh but it's um it's one of those

(01:11:00):
things, you know, she betweenthe time not I can't tell you
how many times in the lastseveral years, but even just
between the time we went for theconsultation and had the
procedure done, I had to giveher the Heimlich maneuver twice
because she was choking on apiece of food that she couldn't
properly chew up, you know whatI mean?

(01:11:20):
Uh so you know, almost lost herlife twice.
You know, and if that is doesn'tsay that your teeth have
something to do with yourhealth, yeah, you know, then I
don't know what does, you know.
So that anybody out therestruggling, go get it done.
Go work on it right now, seekout help.
Uh ask people for for help.

(01:11:42):
We had to ask people, we had toI had to smell all my pride and
say, hey, we need some help withthis.
Uh, you know, it's uh it has tobe done.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:50):
Right.
Well, I'll tell you, you youdon't know when you're gonna go
live again.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:55):
I don't.
Uh I just do them randomly.
You know, it has to be one ofthose things I'm kind of and I
don't ever save my livebroadcasts.
I don't know.
I kind of believe livebroadcasts are um are a unique
experience and you shouldexperience it while it's
happening.
Um I think we're too reliant onlike being able to watch

(01:12:19):
something later.
To me, it's like when I go toconcerts or even when I perform
my own concerts and I see peoplevideoing.
I get it.
If you hear like your favoritesong, you want to catch a little
clip, because I do.
I'll catch a clip of my favoritesongs, but I just catch a clip
so I can just like watch thatlittle clip later.
To me, I want to be there andenjoy the experience, watch it

(01:12:42):
happen, you know.
And so I'm kind of the same wayin my live broadcast.
If you are there for it, that'swhy you should tune in if you
see me live, because that's it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:50):
I try to, I try to get on the new.
But the reason I say that is umI'm there's I'm the spokesperson
for a huge event on the 30th,and I have a bunch of other
things coming up.
I'm now writing for fourdifferent articles, and I would
love to try if we can go on liveat some point.
I will put on there to do theGoFundMe and have you on there
with me and push that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:11):
I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:12):
And I appreciate that everybody and see if we can
help her.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:15):
Absolutely.
That that would mean a lot.
We uh uh like I said, you justcatch me on.
I I try to do them sometimes inthe morning when I'm getting up
and having my first little youknow morning thing.
Um I uh but it's it's all just Idon't think I'm gonna go live
now.
I feel like talking to otherpeople, you know.
I've never been consistent withit, and I I could probably do a

(01:13:38):
podcast too.
Everybody's like, you should doa podcast.
I've been hearing it for fuckinghow long podcasts have been
around.
I've been doing a live broadcastsince Facebook started letting
us do live.
They they started letting publicfigures do them first when live
broadcasting first became athing.
Now that I got a special messagefrom Facebook like, hey, you're

(01:13:58):
a verified public figure, we'regonna let you go live.
And then they uh a couple monthsafter that started letting
everybody do it.
But uh that was like like 2012or 2013, 14, somewhere in there.
And uh I probably could havebeen doing a podcast this whole
time.
I'm just not consistent enough.

(01:14:19):
If I was, you know, I just Iprobably would do it more, but
my create my I never in wholelike in all the times I had
different jobs before I figuredout the much sticky thing, I
would have a job for like two orthree months, sometimes a day.
I mean, I worked at constructionof all of it, places for a day
because I just nah this isn'tfor me.

(01:14:40):
I'm not interested in doing thislong enough.
Um my creative things areusually that way too.
It's like it's why I make songsbecause I could create this one
little thing and then all right,I'm done making that, you know,
and it's that's done now.
You know, I can work on anothernew song.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:56):
Um well when you're live, I'll go on and and I will
put it out there, and and I'llput it out there too, because
like I said, we have so manypeople, and I'm writing now for
four different magazines, andI'm happy to do whatever I can
to bring awareness and and havethem.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:11):
I haven't really pushed it a lot.
I I appreciate that.
I don't, you know, I know a lotof people look at me.
I'm a big famous celebrity andprobably rich in millions of
dollars and that kind of thing,and I've done well.
I'm not gonna say I haven't donewell, but uh, you know, the
internet has its own ideas uh ofof what of what uh connotates

(01:15:33):
someone being financiallywealthy, you know.
Uh I like I said, I I do reallywell.
I'm fortunate that muck stickyis the only thing I have to do,
and it does take care ofeverything I need and more.
Um, but you know, uh I also justI don't know.
I feel like there are a lot ofother people who need more

(01:15:53):
things than I do, and so I'm notgonna be like, hey, go fund me,
go fund me, go find me.
Uh you asked, so I thought Iwould mention it, but um, we'll
get it taken care of one way oranother.
I'm not concerned with itwhatsoever.
Um, the Lord's always providedfor me throughout my whole life,
no matter what.
And uh I'm very blessed forthat.
I don't uh I'm very aware of itand grateful.

(01:16:16):
So I just I know it'll alwayswork out.
It's how you know dedicatedmyself to what I do is because I
know it's always gonna work out.
I don't ever have any secondguess or doubt.
And um hope to inspire that inothers.
Hopefully, you know, youobviously seem to have the same

(01:16:37):
feeling about what you're doing,and uh uh I salute that and and
commend you for that too.
Um, anybody else out therewatching, whatever it is you
believe is your purpose andmission in life, dedicate
yourself daily anew, and uh justkeep going forward, man, and
you'll find yourself in a goodplace at some point.

(01:16:59):
I look back at where I startedand where I am now, and I'm I'm
living the dream.
I get to do it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:05):
Yeah, you were at MySpace.
He was on MySpace back in theday.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:10):
Yeah.
If I was before MySpace, uh he'syounger than me.
Uh when I've made my first CDs,it was like 99, 2000.
Um, I had recorded most of mystuff on a four-track recorder,
most of it on a karaoke machine,a cassette tape karaoke machine,

(01:17:30):
but then we moved to a I movedto a four-track recorder when a
friend of mine had a computer,and I took that four-track
recorder and plugged it up hiscompute to his computer and
imported the files and startedmaking CDs.
And then I would go around toparties and hand out CDs and
sell them.
And uh that was like 99, 2000,and then started playing shows

(01:17:51):
in 2001.
MySpace came around about 2004and did really well on there.
Put out my first album that sameyear, and here we are
20-something years later, stillstill doing completely blessed.
Yeah, and um don't take a singleday of it for granted.
I'm truly thankful.

(01:18:12):
And I would love to appreciateyou having me on to speak to
your audience as well.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:17):
I would love to stay in contact with you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:19):
For sure.
Please do.
Please do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:22):
Absolutely.
Well, I will look for you onlive and we will talk with you
soon.
Thank you so much for who youare and what you do and the
light you give.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:29):
My pleasure.
Same to you.
Be well and God bless you all.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:32):
Oh, you too.
Thank you so much.