June 22, 2025 • 44 mins
After Victoria's powerful interview about surviving domestic violence became the podcast's most popular episode ever, Michael and Victoria return with this crucial follow-up discussion diving deeper into practical escape strategies that saved her life.
Victoria shares the harrowing reality of living with a violent narcissist while pregnant with her daughter. "He testified that if he hit me once, he hit me 200 times," Victoria reveals, explaining how she made the agonizing choice not to defend herself—despite having two black belts in martial arts—to protect her unborn child. The daily terror included being woken by punches to the face, having every text message monitored, and being denied even basic medical care after brutal assaults.
The heart of this episode centers on Victoria's ingenious survival tactics that anyone in danger can implement immediately. She outlines specific methods for secretly saving money (getting cash back during regular shopping trips), hiding evidence (using photo printing services to store screenshots of threatening texts), and "abuse-proofing" a home (replacing glass items with plastic versions that cause less damage when thrown). Victoria also details how she documented the abuse without leaving electronic traces, opened a safe deposit box under her maiden name, and kept a burner phone hidden for emergencies.
Beyond the practical advice, this conversation reveals the extraordinary resilience of the human spirit. Victoria describes how her daughter became her lifeline—literally kicking in the womb whenever Victoria contemplated giving up. Years later, after escaping her abuser and building a new life, Victoria and Michael have created the Contagious Smile Academy, offering courses to help others navigate similar situations with scholarship options ensuring no one is turned away for financial reasons.
This episode isn't just for those currently experiencing abuse—it's for anyone who wants to understand how to support loved ones in dangerous situations or recognize early warning signs in their own relationships. Join us for this raw, powerful conversation that proves survival isn't just possible, it's the first step toward a thriving future.
Check out contagioussmileacademy.com to access resources and courses designed to help anyone escape abuse and begin healing. Remember, you are never alone.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Really Howdy y'all.
Welcome to another episode ofContagious Smile Unstoppable.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Take three.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yeah, this is our third date.
I keep messing up y'all.
So this is Michael and this isVictoria.
Hi, sexy Vixen.
I'm Vixen, she's sexy y'all.
Hands to the mind, don't getany ideas, jj.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Are you kidding me right now?
Did you really just put that,do I?
Oh my God, he's laughing.
Yeah right, he's a great person.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
He is.
What's he coming on?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
The Ripple Retreat.
He honored me and allowed me tointerview him on his birthday
and after he had been sober forso many years, and what an honor
that is.
That is a stellar stand-upperson who has an amazing yet
sad story, and he has come backand now he has what's called the
(00:59):
Ripple.
Retreat.
You need to go check that out.
That's anywhere on podcast.
Well, you can go to the RippleRetreat website too.
He's just a stand-up person,Y'all can check him out.
So, now that my husband alreadyhas a spit in his mouth, happy
belated birthday.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Thank you, love.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
How was it?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It was outstanding.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Because you had no drama trauma.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
No drama, trauma.
I had good cake, good presents,good family, good time.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Do you feel like you've missed anything by not
hearing from people?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Really.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I've only heard.
One person I heard from was ourother daughter.
That was it, as I'm telling you.
You know, we became the blacksheep of the families.
Yeah Right.
Just because you know we make astand on some things and things
and you know we're not going totake any more shit.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
We bring out others demons.
That's really what a blacksheep is they?
They bring out the ugliness oftheir truth, because we won't
cover them anymore, we won'thide for them or give in to
their needs or wants anymore,and when you do that, then they
have no use for you.
So because they cannot takeaccountability for any of their
(02:10):
actions talking aboutnarcissists.
then they turn around and flakein onto you and make you look
like you're the bad person.
You're the liar, you're the badperson who just did them wrong.
And they try to slander you anddefame your character left,
right and center, and we bothhad that so so the wife is still
(02:31):
working on um some of ourwebsites for our academy.
Go to facebook, type in acontagious smile academy and
you'll see that there we willnever turn anyone away.
The courses are valued so muchmore than what we have been
listed for monetarily.
It's the fact that we don'twant anyone to not be able to
partake in these courses.
(02:52):
We have five differentcollections right now.
We just added the Valor Circlefor military vets and a lot of
our courses will coincide withother collections.
But if somebody can't afford itand they reach out to us, we
will keep that confidential andwe are offering scholarships,
(03:14):
whether it's a one-time donationof $5 or a monthly donation.
However you wanna do it, then wewill take that out of the pot
and allow these otherindividuals that just need a
hand right now, because younever know, I know.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I said hand.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But you never know it could be your mom, your sister,
your brother, you never know,and we want to make sure that we
give everybody that secondchance, because you never know
when dire straits couldtranspire.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And that's what we want to help with, so we're not
doing it to get rich.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
We're doing this to you we're definitely rich,
that's true.
Um, we're doing this to pay itforward and help others that
need to be reminded how amazingthey are.
So, yeah, my husband is notgoing to be happy, but what?
Our number one episode of thelike 300 and I don't know
however many that we've done,plus however many I've done
(04:08):
separately, has been when youinterviewed me about what I went
through now.
Is it easy?
No, even though I've talkedabout it for decades, it never
gets easier.
It gets more tolerable becauseyou become I become accustomed
to it almost get like callousedover it and I had so many people
(04:29):
come out and send messages tome and emails to me thanking me
for being so raw and sovulnerable and so open, and I've
done that better with you thanthe hundreds of people I've been
on interviews with, as they'veinterviewed me about it because
it's you, I'm more comfortablelike you're the only person who
can touch my neck like if I, ifmy shirt is crooked or even if
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he just walked up.
He is literally the only personthat can touch my throat, and
that's because, after beingstrangled and suffocated, I it's
a trigger, but when my husbanddoes it, it is not.
So just having him talk to meand talk about this has brought
so many people out and thankedus for doing it.
(05:13):
So I thought we would just kindof do a part two to talk about
it and then tell everybody go tothe.
Academy.
There are some free classes inevery one of the collections so
you can go and check out themini academy courses as well.
Um, we just don't want anyoneto ever go through this, because
my husband and I have both beenthrough our own types of abuse,
(05:35):
where we have survived withpartners and family, and we just
don't want people to have to gothrough it alone or go through
it at all, really.
So my husband's giving me this.
I love you, but I don't want todo it.
Look, and he gave me that thelast time.
But how about this?
We'll compromise.
I won't ask you to read any ofthe book because the last time
you did, you cried, but it isright there I know I'm not, I'm
(05:59):
not gonna read it.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So y'all, yeah, now I see the book.
Y'all go on Amazon.
Type in who Kicked First?
By Victoria Curie and her lastname is spelled C-U-O-R-E Curie.
Okay, who Kicked First?
By Victoria Curie?
It is her memoir of whathappened during the eight months
(06:20):
and possibly longer.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, there's been more really that she was with
that monster.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
you know, to me it's a horror story, but it's also,
you know, a story about a herowho survives with the strength
of her daughter at the forefrontof her heart.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Her daughter.
That's her name.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Her daughter.
Wow, she's your daughter, MrsTroll.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
No she openly says she's yours when she's bad and
she's fine when she's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I tried to read a page on there one night y'all of
her book Food Kick First, andit was like now you're false.
My wife was triggered and Istarted crying because she was
crying.
It was just too emotional and Icouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Who has not read the book.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Y'all be prepared.
To me it's a hard read.
The reviews have said it's ahard read.
The tissue's ready.
Nobody's been able to put itdown.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
People triple lock their doors.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
We've had some producers say they want to turn
it into a movie.
We'll see.
We got Tyler Perry down theroad.
We'd like to give it over tohim.
I would love.
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
We got Tyler Perry down the road We'd like to give
it over to him.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I would love, but yeah, get on there and check it
out.
Who Kicked First?
By Victoria Curate.
So my wife went through hellfor the eight months that she
was buried to this monster.
I wasn't buried for eightmonths.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I was with him for eight months.
Yeah right, it took me a whileto get away from that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
After, because of the medical and she was, If you, if
you can name it, it was done toher.
You know.
She tells me instance where shewill wake up with him
straddling her just wailing onher face with his fist,
Screaming at her to get up andget me a glass of water.
Now, if you know anybody whosewires are crossed this bad, you
(08:30):
need to get the hell away fromthem.
Guys, if you see something youknow with one of these ladies
that have the telltale signsthat there may be abuse, say
something.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Do something about it .
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Help them get out of that situation.
Ladies, if you're in thatsituation, ask my wife for some
advice.
She's written classes, courses,she's got books out how to make
your escape plan, how to startsurviving after all of this, how
to start thriving Thriving.
You know she was there all byherself.
(09:06):
She had no one to turn to, noone to help her, because that
narcissist and asshole had somuch control and power over her
that you know she could barelybreathe.
And a lot of survivors I'm notcalling y'all victims.
A lot of y'all survivors areprobably the same way calling
y'all victims a lot of y'allsurvivors are probably the same
way.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Well, there's a twist , if you will, to this is that I
honestly own what I do and whatI've done, and I agreed not to
defend myself against him aslong as he stayed away from my
stomach.
I was pregnant and he knew Ihad two black belts.
(09:47):
And he openly admitted Inmartial arts yes, he openly
admitted that he would havenever raised a hand to me if I
wasn't pregnant.
He knew that.
But one of the first things youlearn in any martial arts is
de-escalation and you learn tofight, to flight.
Right, that's the first thingget away from the assailant, get
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away.
but when you are literallystraddled in your sleep, and
being punched in the face thatyou're pregnant to go get some
water.
You know that's not how it goes, and so I made a deal that as
long as he didn't hit mystomach- so that I could protect
my daughter, that that Iwouldn't fight him back.
But the whole time I wasgathering proof, because I
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needed to not only get out andsurvive and thrive, I needed to
make sure he couldn't beanywhere alone and alone with my
daughter.
The stories that he said he wasincredibly charismatic.
He knew the buttons that neededto be pushed, if you will,
metaphorically, in order to evenhave me consider this as
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something.
I would have done, and it'sawful, because if, for instance,
the bed wasn't made the exactway, I would hear you know.
Why do you make me do this?
Why do you make me do this?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Do you think I?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
like doing this to you, and if the laundry wasn't
done and put away like it'ssupposed to, then there would be
a reason If dinner wasn't onthe table at exactly a certain
time or if there wasn't.
He had severe OCD and in thebeginning I thought it was a
joke and it wasn't aspredominant as it is now.
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So I kind of thought thingswere funny when he would do
stuff and like oh, I have tohave three of this on my salad
and I thought he was kidding,and then none of the food could
touch.
And then if we were drivinganywhere, he counted the clicks
on the turn signal and if heturned and say it fell on an
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even number, he would do theturn signal again to get it to
go to an odd number, and so thatI just thought that was you,
you know whoppers back then.
I mean, I was young I'm notsaying anything against anyone
with OCD but OCD wasn't a big,you know, predominant thing back
then and I had no idea.
And so control is anunderstatement.
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I couldn't go to the bathroomwith the door shut.
I was raised understanding thatthat's your private time,
that's your time you go in thereand it's your relaxation time.
You just don't barge in there.
You know I.
Multiple times he threw me inthe bathtub.
(12:39):
There were times he took mymetal brush and beat me in the
face with it.
There were so many times and somany different incidences, and
he testified that if he hit meonce, he hit me 200 times.
And he also testified that if Icried, whatever he did, he
would do it again.
And so, literally, the judgetold him you trained her to
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accept your hand Because, likean alcoholic, if you want to get
drunk, you have to drink morethan you're used to in order to
be drunk.
And so I was stabbed over adozen times, and so if he
stabbed me and I showed anyemotion, then he would stab me
again, and when I would go tothe emergency room I would say
(13:25):
no to any kind of medicationbecause I didn't want it to go
to my daughter.
And so they would say but we gotto give you hundreds of
stitches and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Well, you know what.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I didn't get any of the knife stabbed.
I don't want them now because Iwas so petrified.
I didn't want any of that inthere and I try.
I don't want to tell everythingand I couldn't in an hour
anyway.
I did try at one point to leavethe first time.
The average person goes backseven times but it's because
they don't have the escape planset up and ready to go.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Go back to the abuser ?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yes, and he shot and killed our puppy to show what he
would do if I tried to leave,and that just floored me.
I mean, you're talking about asix-month-old, very healthy
puppy and we ended up taking thedog to the vet the emergency
vet and he made sure I didn'tknow where we were.
(14:18):
I was in a city area that I hadnever really been to ever in my
life prior, and so he drove allthese different ways around and
whatever, and uh I had no ideawhere we were and he was so good
at lying like it could bebright sunshine outside and he
would make you think you'recrazy.
And he would make you thinkthere's a tomato like right
(14:38):
behind you.
He was so good at lying that you, you would just you know, when
I got in there, I thought, oh mygod, thank you, thank you,
they're gonna call the police.
This is, you know, a?
When I got in there, I thought,oh my god, they're going to
call the police.
This is, you know, a felony.
This is a felony, this isanimal cruelty.
We shot and killed our dog andthey said you know, we have to
call the police.
And he just stood there and hewas just all of a sudden like
(15:00):
just started the fake emotionand said, no, we've gone out to
dinner and and if somehow theygot, whoever shot him got in the
backyard and they asked him ifhe had another dog and he did.
He had two and he was like, well, how come the other dog didn't
get hurt and he just got like,uh, and then he said, oh, the
other dog was in the house andit was just I couldn't believe
(15:25):
that he was getting away withthis.
And then he got away witheverything, literally everything
, and I was of the mindset thatthis really couldn't be,
happening right like I couldwatch enough, or um, sleeping
with the enemy, and think it'scomical, like it's a comedy show
and I'm not making light ofanything, because I've always
said one hit, one slap, one kick, it's one too many, it's never
(15:47):
a competition, it's just no.
but when you literally, like I,started connecting with the
evidence and I would go back andlook at it because I really
couldn't believe what I wasseeing, I couldn't believe what
I was enduring, because you justyou can't fathom and think that
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you know they turn it on you.
Why do you make us do this?
This is we had just done what Itold you to.
This would never have happened.
You know like he would followme to my office but because of
my job, I parked in theexecutive parking so he couldn't
get in there.
I would have to call him frommy office so he would see it on
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his phone that that's where Iwas, or he would call me, and it
was just so suffocating.
I felt like an asthmatic in aroom of smokers with no windows
or doors Craft and helpless.
Yes and alone, Very much alone.
The only thing that gave mesavior was my daughter who, when
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I would want to give up, wouldkick me to remind me she was
there.
My grandparents' memories Iconstantly thought of them and I
always thought of Michael.
I always thought of Michael andalways thought of michael.
I always thought of michael andI thought he killed me.
I never said I would never seemy husband now again.
And that was really reallytough.
And here I am and here you arenow 25 years later well, 25
(17:22):
years later but yeah, we'veknown each other for a long time
.
Many decades.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I met a couple today on my job and they said we just
had our anniversary last weekand we had 57 years together.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Aww.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And they were just like us, just each other up and
their banter was comical.
So it's going to be us In 57years Old biddies, rocking
chairs.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Old biddies.
Yes, my husband is trying todivert, he has to.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I don't have to ask.
Yes, you do.
What is my question?
I have to ask, we have to talkabout this.
People need to know.
Think about you know, peoplewho have no idea what's going on
.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
What is my question?
I have to ask.
We have to talk about this.
People need to know.
Think about you, know peoplewho have no idea what's going on
.
They know where they're at, theyknow they want to get helpless,
they feel lost, they feel likethey have no control over
absolutely anything and you knowwhat, if they are cleaning the
house and they have theirearpods on and they're listening
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to this and they feel they haveno one to go to, they have no
one in their corner, okay, andthey have questions, but they
can't write.
He watched everything I did.
He checked every text message.
He checked my browser history.
He checked everything on thecomputer when he wasn't
participating in disgustingthings that I didn't know about.
These sweet, amazing peopleneed to know.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
One they're not alone .
Speaker 2 (18:48):
B this is not your forever.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You did not deserve this and you do not have to stay
in this and don't say it'sbecause of the kids Don't say
it's because of whatever,because let me tell you
something and I can tell youfirsthand If he's hitting you.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's a matter of time before he hits the kids takes
it out on the animals, the petsand when I say animals, I don't
mean your furry friends that arefamily members I'm talking
about if they see an animal onthe road, if they see a stray
dog on the property or a straycat on the property, because
that happened too Like those arethe things and you know, like I
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said before, I own what I did.
I was not perfect in regards tothe fact I told him to go out
with other women Because one hewasn't home beating me and I'm
pregnant Not that that made adifference, because you
shouldn't be beating on anyone.
Anyway.
Also, he would be in thecourting period where he would
be trying to get somebody elseon the side.
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And so I okayed him to go outand have another woman.
I absolutely did, because thenhe wasn't home beating me, he
wasn't at the house hurting me.
If he's out with other people,then he's not out at home,
beating me half to death.
And because I didn't consent.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Because I did not consent for intercourse after
the abuse he was sexuallyassaulting me and so if he would
go and he had other people,then he could go and be with
them and leave me alone, leaveme and my child alone.
So, yes, I absolutely told himgo out, you know.
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You know, meet other people,have other women.
That way you're not coming back.
And you know, pounding my faceinto a cabinet because you need
three of everything and there'stwo and a third but you can't
have a fourth.
I mean these are how the thingswould be constantly.
I mean, every single day feltlike a lifetime.
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My favorite day of the week wasmonday because I was in the
office.
I was always there bright andearly in the morning, before
everybody else, and I was alwaysthe last to leave so how can
you mention that there's there'sa lot of paper trail with
electronic devices, social media.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There is Okay, that's one thing, but how can they
start their escape plan, how canthey start their exit strategy
without leaving that paper trail?
Well, there's a lot of thingsyou can do, and I say this to
survivors in that very situationfrom the, from the job.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Let's say, you go to the store, like when I would go
to the grocery store, I would goto walmart or wherever he.
Well, and back then we had likethe what is it?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
the razor phones or the flip phone?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
whatever it was right .
So we didn't have smartphoneslike so I would have to bring a
receipt or I would have to, orhe'd see the bags or he checked
the statements right, so I wouldgo get everything now.
I could never get anything formyself like I got chapstick once
and this is the version.
I'm sorry, I got chapstickbecause I had very dry lips in
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the winter and I was a whorebecause I got chapstick.
Chapstick.
Really because I was a whorebecause I got chaps in Chaps in.
Really Because I was a whorebecause I got it and he ended up
throwing my face into a metal,Anyway.
So whenever I would go to thestore and you go to checkout, it
would ask do you want cash back?
I always took cash back and,depending on how much I bought
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at the store.
So if I bought $180 at the,store.
So if I bought, 180 dollars thestore, then I would get 40 back
.
And if I had you know couponsor?
whatever.
Then I would use the coupons,not tell him and that money you
know.
I would say, oh, I've gotcoupons and you know whatever.
And then he would make thedifference, but I would always
get money back.
And then what I would do is inthe vehicle I had, it had a
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compartment in the back, nobodyknew about, and I would make the
difference, but I would alwaysget money back.
And then what I would do is inthe vehicle I had, it had an
apartment in the back, nobodyknew about, and I would stick
the money in there little bylittle, and every time I would
go I would get more money.
And then it doesn't show an ATMwithdrawal, it doesn't show a
bank withdrawal.
You know.
It doesn't show any of that.
Also, you know I changed jobsand I negotiated my salary, and
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he did not know what I wasmaking, and so he didn't know
what I was really making, and soI took the difference in what I
was making and put it in theaccount he had no knowledge of.
So that also was another way,and I had it tagged to my bank
card.
Um, but I would go to thegrocery store, I'd go to the
walmart or whatever and I wouldget money back.
(23:30):
Then I would also get giftcards, uh say for gas, gas cards
or like a walmart gift card orsomething like that, so that I
would have those as well.
And that was the way I startedto get stuff together little by
little.
I had a gardener phone.
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I got an extra charger becausewhen I got back to the house it
was another home.
When I got back to the house, Iwasn't allowed to have my phone
and we didn't have a landlineand he would take the car
charger or the home charger too,so that I couldn't charge the
phone.
And if he beat me and he left,he took the phone and the car
keys.
So I was helpless and withoutbeing able to call the doctor.
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So I got a burner phone and Ialways backed in Because if I
had to get out quickly I couldnot have to worry as much About
trying to get out of the garageor the driveway or whatever,
because I'm already backed in,so not have to worry as much
about trying to get out of thegarage or the driveway or
whatever, because I'm alreadybacked in.
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So that's another option thatyou can do.
But gather proof, gatherevidence.
One of the other things that Idid at work was I would take
screenshots of the text messagesand I'm going to kind of be
cryptic.
But he sent me a text messagebecause I told him that I felt
like a single mom right, and sohe said all single moms are
Satan's spawn and they shouldall effing die.
(24:56):
So I took screenshot and Iuploaded it to an account a
dummy account or like aWalgreens CBS or anything like
and I put it into that placewhere you can go and have
pictures developed and pick themup, right, and then I would
delete any and all ever evidenceof it so that they couldn't be
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found.
And that way I started to haveproof that way as well.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Did you take any documents out of the house or
did you make photocopies ofanything?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I did, I took documents out, I took
photocopies out I went to adifferent financial institution
than either one of us used and Iopened a safe deposit box, told
them what was going on and so Iput, oh, that's good.
I went in there and did that.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Does the bank have some type type of you know
clause or something?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
now they can't no but any of it out to a spouse no, I
didn't have them on as a signerand so um, and I had not gotten
a new driver's license.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yet, even though you'd like 30 days.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
So I used my old one, I put it in my maiden name and
I went in there and got that andthen I started.
Like my grandmother's alreadymeant the world to me.
It still does, and so I I tookthings of that nature and I put
it in the safe deposit box sothat he couldn't destroy them,
and then any paper evidence thatI found I would take it and put
it in there, or, if I thoughthe would look for it later, I
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would make a copy because we hada printer or copy machine, and
I would take it and put it inthere, so that there was another
way I was getting proof.
That way as well, I would slowlyyou have to do it kind of on
the slow side know, make sureyou make your house as as abuse
(26:49):
proof as you can and I go intoextreme detail about this in
other places but, for instance,never keep things on step or the
stairs ever when your kids arethere, you tell them, no matter
what you hear, you go far awayor run out and get help.
Another thing is, if the abuserhas a tendency to throw things
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at you like glass jars orglasses or things of that nature
, slowly whenever they're broken, or you get clumsy, quote
unquote and you break it byaccident, then go to the dollar
store and replace it withplastic, because plastic doesn't
hurt as much as glass.
Um, I got rid of my metalhairbrush and got a plastic one
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and, like I didn't have anyglass jars around, if I had,
like marinara sauce to cook withor whatever, I would put them
in tupperware containers andlabel them.
Uh, I tried to get rid of anyand all glass that I could,
because it made a difference.
I started to slowly take theknives out of the house, you
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know, just little by little, andhe wouldn't even let me have
ice packs in the house for myinjuries, so when I would get a
black eye or a broken nose, or abusted face.
I had to go into our bathroomand lay on the bathroom floor,
because that was the only thingthat was cold.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
He would you know, and there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You have to go back and think what are you going to
put in the book?
What are you not going to putin the book?
What do you take out?
He would empty the ice out sothat I couldn't put ice in a rag
and put it on me.
That was a big thing.
You'd always make sure heemptied the ice out and he
didn't just empty it in a sink.
He'd go throw it outside, inthe backyard or whatever.
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So I couldn't just go pick it upand so I would have to lay on
the bathroom floor for it to becold to try to reduce swelling.
If there are incidences and I'mso sorry if I'm triggering
anyone, I'm trying not to, soI'm giving trigger warnings.
If there was incidences whereblood was involved then he would
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leave and I'd have to haveeverything cleaned up before he
got back, or it set him offagain.
It was a trigger for him if hecame back and saw blood anywhere
.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
So everything had to be clean y'all see why I don't
want to talk about this, but itneeds to be talked about.
I'm sitting here looking at mybeautiful wife, imagining her
going through all that shit andyou know there's nothing you can
do about it now.
It's all in the past.
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Little did he know that he madeone of the strongest warriors
on this earth inadvertently notthat I'm giving him any credit
at all.
Little did he know that he madeone of the strongest employers
on this earth inadvertently Notthat I'm giving him any credit
at all, but I don't see herchipping down oxys or hydros I
never have.
Not only, in fairness, shedoesn't do pain meds like you
(29:54):
know everyone else does.
You know she goes throughsurgeries.
You know eyes wide open.
You know they just tell herdon't move.
She's had so many surgeriesdone where she has not been
under, not been twilighted or nopain meds afterwards.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You've never seen me take a single pain med.
I don't even fill the script.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
That's how I don't write a script.
Extremely strong person.
Well because you don't have achoice.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
And, like in martial arts, you train and then you
spar because they want you tolearn what it feels like to get
hit.
So you know.
So I really think, if I didn'thave my martial art training, I
think I'd be in a differentplace, because I kept telling
myself you know, it's just afight, it's just a fight.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
We're sparring, you know, and I know that's a mental
trick, but you have to do whatyou can at that moment to
survive, like you just have to.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And I never wanted to tell you anything because I
didn't want it to affect mydaughter, like I just didn't
want it to affect her.
And so I got to that point.
Well then, after the last timehe put in icu and she was
starting to come early.
I just you know she had medicalissues and so because of that I
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had to wait and if anything Ihad wasn't life-threatening like
I had a broken foot, I hadfingers, I had a man, I had this
elongated shoulder.
My nose wasreatening like I hada broken foot.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I had broken fingers.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I had a man.
I had a disorganized shoulder,my nose was broken, blah, blah,
blah blah.
I had a blood clot, you know,you name it.
Then I chose not to get thosethings fixed, which was my
choice, because I needed to bethere for her.
I couldn't be laid up somewhereelse trying to recuperate when
my daughter's fighting for herlife, coding every day, having
multiple seizures every day anda NICU, and I am alone with no
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help or support.
So I had no choice, so I did andI understand that a lot of my
surgeries are because I waitedfor so long.
I take responsibility for that.
Could they have just donesomething back in the day to fix
my shoulder, probably?
But, I waited until she wasdecannulated and her trach had
been removed before, because Ihad to end up getting a full
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shoulder replacement.
And when you're carrying arounda suction machine and a pulse
ox monitor and you know oxygentank and emergency bag and
backup traits and the feeding.
I mean, you name it and you'redoing all this by yourself.
To hell with how you feelyou're a mom.
That first responsibility, andonly responsibility, is my child
(32:26):
and I need to be able to get inthere if there's an occlusion
and you know, she has agranuloma and whatever the case
may be, and so I waited, and Iunderstand that exacerbated the
need for additional medicalintervention, but I wasn't going
to do it with any kind ofpharmaceutical assistance and
this is why I say that yourdaughter, our daughter now
Speaker 1 (32:48):
my daughter is and was at the time, still is the
strength at the forefront ofyour heart.
She's a badass, Because you puther there.
She was there and she helpedget you through all this.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
And she says the same thing, which I just think is
crazy she's a little mean to you.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I tell her that all the time you were just like your
mother.
Thank God.
And she said damn right.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I think one of the funniest things she said was
literally.
I mean she's been spunky fromthe jump.
But we were walking around thegrocery store one time and she
said to me I mean she also knewsign, because she was unable to
be audible because of the trachshe had.
And then she was diagnosed withapraxia, which she has overcome
(33:35):
, like everything else.
and she looks at me in thefreezer section and she puts her
little hands on hips and shegoes mom you made a seriously
kick-ass daughter with some uglyspare parts and at first I
thought she meant her, sure, andI was like what do you mean,
ugly spare parts?
Thought she meant her sure, andI was like what do you mean?
(33:57):
Ugly spare parts?
And the only thing I ever toldher was that that makes her mom
like I didn't go into anythingspecific.
She didn't need to know.
She's a kid, right?
I'm not going to tell her any ofthat, and I was a single parent
for a very, very long time, andso I asked her what that meant,
and so she knew that it took amom and a dad to have a kid.
That's all she knew, right now,oh lord please don't ask her
(34:21):
now, but she knew back then ittook a mom and a dad to have a
baby.
And when she's walking aroundshe looks at me and said I made
a kick-ass kid with ugly spareparts.
You know any medical mom isgonna be like what do you mean?
Why do you say that, you know?
And she's like no, I'm not himand she didn't even know that.
(34:42):
Like he was the inside of ahemorrhoid ugly physically.
But what a lot of people don'trealize is that when she was in
the womb she recognized hisvoice and she would become
tachycardic when she would hearhis voice.
And when I went to court theyhad a recording of his voice and
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I have the picture, becausethey took a picture of this and
when they played the recording.
She wasn't even two and a halfyears old.
She the horror.
Look on her face.
She looked like she was in suchfear when she heard that
recording and I have the picture.
She remembered the voice.
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But then, all of these years,while I was a single mom.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I always told her there was only one person that I
would ever allow to be herfather, her dad.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Anybody can do two pugs in a bush and impregnate
somebody, right.
Anybody can do that.
That doesn't make you a daddy,that doesn't make you a father
right.
It makes you a sperm donor.
So I told her there's only oneperson that I would ever, ever
allow that position, that role,and it's Michael.
And we were only friends andyou know we spoke off and on and
(36:05):
his disgusting, tyrant, nastysecond wife you know, got nasty
with me and I reminded her thatI had him before her and if I
wanted him now, I'd have himagain, but I'm not going to be
the other woman.
So when this marriage ended andI reminded her, that it would,
then I'll come back and get him,and so I waited for them to be
(36:29):
done, and then we got backtogether.
But, what was so sweet is thatmy husband asked my daughter's
permission to marry him.
And ask permission.
That's what I'm watching youtrying to go to sleep on me and
it's my back certainly, I workall day hold on.
(36:50):
You were home by 3 pm.
Well, I worked all day.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Dave, I'm a hard worker.
Look at these hands Justwrought with calluses, calluses,
oh yes.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
You got more calluses than I do so what does that say
?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
How the hell does that?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
happen.
I work 20 hours a day.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Sitting on your butt up here on the computer.
You close your mouth, you getsome flies.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
From the shit you're talking Serious Really.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
You went from serious to jovial, like a light switch.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Because you're with me Okay.
Because you're with me Okay,because you're with me.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
And I was the only man to be the father of your
daughter.
That's right, I wouldn't letanybody else.
Boy, what a pain in the ass sheis to me.
I mean, I love that kid todeath.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
She still got you wrapped around her little
Bullshit, you Really.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Tell them how we're always on the same page.
We're always on the same page.
No, you gotta give an example.
An example so sweet.
An example, twice today alone.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
The last time my wife called me here about two
something.
Whatever she the phone ring, asmy finger was no more than I'd
say a couple millimeters awayfrom dialing her number from
from hitting her on my, on myphone pad best examples our
wedding right a couple years agowhat I describe it, because I
(38:29):
forgot what, what, where you andI decided we're we do different
rings every year and like oh,what are we going to do this
year?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
We're like, we don't know, we don't know.
So we both look separately andthen we show each other and it's
the exact same ring.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
That's your soulmate going.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And then the dog.
What about the dog with theamputated leg?
No way.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I was just scrolling through Facebook seeing if
anyone else wished me a happybirthday other than our other
daughter.
There was just a picture of anamputated old sailor with a
monkey doing something.
He had two peg legs, this oldguy, a really old sailor.
(39:15):
My wife shows me a picture of adog with an amputated leg.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Now, in fairness, I couldn't see what you were
looking at.
Yeah, I had no idea what youwere looking at.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
So we're both just, you know, looking at, not that
you know that was the topic ofthe evening.
It's just coincidence.
It's just things like thathappen all the time with her and
I.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yes, let me guess what you want to go take 10?
Speaker 1 (39:37):
No, I've got some items to take out of the van.
Uh-huh, and I'm going to do alittle clean up and then I'll
cook y'all our dinner.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I have your dinner ready for you.
I got you what I'm about tohave, what, what I cook for you
all the time.
What are you talking?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
about I'm the only one who doesn't make the fire
alarm go off.
You know that.
A couple thought it was sweetsaying that I bring you
breakfast in bed.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
It's very sweet for you to defrost frozen waffles.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
yes, Woman, you can left it alone, okay.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
But you're sitting here saying I don't cook you
dinner ever?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I didn't say that ever.
That's a lot of silence that'sa lot of silence.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
You're so ridiculous, you're like babe no, you do so
much, I bring you breakfastevery day awful and tea.
Okay, hold on hold on when youand cutie Patootie have
father-daughter movie nightevery time, what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Working.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
And when you take your 18-hour naps, what am I
doing?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
the whole time, I don't know.
I'm asleep, I get up and thingsare rearranged.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
So I'm cleaning.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Or working.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Right.
So on average, how many hours aday do I work?
I don't know I'm cleaning orworking, right?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
So on average, how many hours a day do I work?
I don't know, I'm not here, I'mworking.
Oh touche huh.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
No, not when you're sleeping.
No, no.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
You said on average.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Okay, on a weekend.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
On a weekend, sure, I don't know about 10 plus a day,
ken.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I'm not going to have this Seriously.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Don't call the dog.
Stuck was right there.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I can't believe you.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
All right, so I won, you lost.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
This man.
When he plays cards with me andI lose the hand, he says, oh,
you're upset because you lostyour hand, your hand.
Or if we go to a store, he'slike look, it's half off like
you.
These are all things that hedoes because he thinks he's all
you know when you'll go get inthe jacuzzi what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
working okay so well, that's not fair right now,
because you have stitches.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
My stitches are gone.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
No, they're still on your back.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Well, they're in your back, they're dissolving, but I
cannot I'm not cleared to doanything or submerge any of this
in my back for another threeweeks.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
So let me, let me I still can't say it reiterate you
did it, say opioids no.
Who Caked First by VictoriaPiroletti, because I ain't
reading that dang book y'all,and I dare y'all to read it,
(42:31):
okay, and the wife put out thereif y'all want to help us out,
then contact us.
The bottom of the webpage itsays contact us.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Well, it also says buy me a coffee on the website.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I'm just talking about help actual help, Because
there's some stuff on the webdesign and different things that
my wife is not properly trainedon.
She has to learn all thisherself and she's incredibly
talented and smart and she'sbuilt some dynamic, amazing
platforms and all this crap.
It's crap.
(43:02):
Well, you know what I'm talkingabout.
No, no, if y'all want to helpout, because this is, you know,
only a two-man show up in here.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Oh, you're talking about faith.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Y'all reach out to her and say hey, I think I can
help you out a little bit, buty'all can buy her coffee anytime
.
You have my permission.
Permission, they can buy youcoffee, but you're taking,
you're solid with me, you're mysoulmate, I love you.
How many ever say to my wifeThank you for listening to
(43:36):
Unstoppable with Michael andVictoria.
Goodnight y'all.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Click in recording what do you want me to do click
in recording?
Why would I want to do that?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
woman turn this thing , off, click the button now.
When off, hit the button.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
How do you get the button?
Oh, goodbye.
Really Howdy y'all.
Welcome to another episode ofContagious Smile Unstoppable.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Take three.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yeah, this is our third date.
I keep messing up y'all.
So this is Michael and this isVictoria.
Hi, sexy Vixen.
I'm Vixen, she's sexy y'all.
Hands to the mind, don't getany ideas, jj.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Are you kidding me right now?
Did you really just put that,do I?
Oh my God, he's laughing.
Yeah right, he's a great person.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
He is.
What's he coming on?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
The Ripple Retreat.
He honored me and allowed me tointerview him on his birthday
and after he had been sober forso many years, and what an honor
that is.
That is a stellar stand-upperson who has an amazing yet
sad story, and he has come backand now he has what's called the
(00:59):
Ripple.
Retreat.
You need to go check that out.
That's anywhere on podcast.
Well, you can go to the RippleRetreat website too.
He's just a stand-up person,Y'all can check him out.
So, now that my husband alreadyhas a spit in his mouth, happy
belated birthday.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Thank you, love.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
How was it?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It was outstanding.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Because you had no drama trauma.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
No drama, trauma.
I had good cake, good presents,good family, good time.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Do you feel like you've missed anything by not
hearing from people?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Really.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I've only heard.
One person I heard from was ourother daughter.
That was it, as I'm telling you.
You know, we became the blacksheep of the families.
Yeah Right.
Just because you know we make astand on some things and things
and you know we're not going totake any more shit.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
We bring out others demons.
That's really what a blacksheep is they?
They bring out the ugliness oftheir truth, because we won't
cover them anymore, we won'thide for them or give in to
their needs or wants anymore,and when you do that, then they
have no use for you.
So because they cannot takeaccountability for any of their
(02:10):
actions talking aboutnarcissists.
then they turn around and flakein onto you and make you look
like you're the bad person.
You're the liar, you're the badperson who just did them wrong.
And they try to slander you anddefame your character left,
right and center, and we bothhad that so so the wife is still
(02:31):
working on um some of ourwebsites for our academy.
Go to facebook, type in acontagious smile academy and
you'll see that there we willnever turn anyone away.
The courses are valued so muchmore than what we have been
listed for monetarily.
It's the fact that we don'twant anyone to not be able to
partake in these courses.
(02:52):
We have five differentcollections right now.
We just added the Valor Circlefor military vets and a lot of
our courses will coincide withother collections.
But if somebody can't afford itand they reach out to us, we
will keep that confidential andwe are offering scholarships,
(03:14):
whether it's a one-time donationof $5 or a monthly donation.
However you wanna do it, then wewill take that out of the pot
and allow these otherindividuals that just need a
hand right now, because younever know, I know.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I said hand.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But you never know it could be your mom, your sister,
your brother, you never know,and we want to make sure that we
give everybody that secondchance, because you never know
when dire straits couldtranspire.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And that's what we want to help with, so we're not
doing it to get rich.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
We're doing this to you we're definitely rich,
that's true.
Um, we're doing this to pay itforward and help others that
need to be reminded how amazingthey are.
So, yeah, my husband is notgoing to be happy, but what?
Our number one episode of thelike 300 and I don't know
however many that we've done,plus however many I've done
(04:08):
separately, has been when youinterviewed me about what I went
through now.
Is it easy?
No, even though I've talkedabout it for decades, it never
gets easier.
It gets more tolerable becauseyou become I become accustomed
to it almost get like callousedover it and I had so many people
(04:29):
come out and send messages tome and emails to me thanking me
for being so raw and sovulnerable and so open, and I've
done that better with you thanthe hundreds of people I've been
on interviews with, as they'veinterviewed me about it because
it's you, I'm more comfortablelike you're the only person who
can touch my neck like if I, ifmy shirt is crooked or even if
(04:53):
he just walked up.
He is literally the only personthat can touch my throat, and
that's because, after beingstrangled and suffocated, I it's
a trigger, but when my husbanddoes it, it is not.
So just having him talk to meand talk about this has brought
so many people out and thankedus for doing it.
(05:13):
So I thought we would just kindof do a part two to talk about
it and then tell everybody go tothe.
Academy.
There are some free classes inevery one of the collections so
you can go and check out themini academy courses as well.
Um, we just don't want anyoneto ever go through this, because
my husband and I have both beenthrough our own types of abuse,
(05:35):
where we have survived withpartners and family, and we just
don't want people to have to gothrough it alone or go through
it at all, really.
So my husband's giving me this.
I love you, but I don't want todo it.
Look, and he gave me that thelast time.
But how about this?
We'll compromise.
I won't ask you to read any ofthe book because the last time
you did, you cried, but it isright there I know I'm not, I'm
(05:59):
not gonna read it.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So y'all, yeah, now I see the book.
Y'all go on Amazon.
Type in who Kicked First?
By Victoria Curie and her lastname is spelled C-U-O-R-E Curie.
Okay, who Kicked First?
By Victoria Curie?
It is her memoir of whathappened during the eight months
(06:20):
and possibly longer.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, there's been more really that she was with
that monster.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
you know, to me it's a horror story, but it's also,
you know, a story about a herowho survives with the strength
of her daughter at the forefrontof her heart.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Her daughter.
That's her name.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Her daughter.
Wow, she's your daughter, MrsTroll.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
No she openly says she's yours when she's bad and
she's fine when she's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I tried to read a page on there one night y'all of
her book Food Kick First, andit was like now you're false.
My wife was triggered and Istarted crying because she was
crying.
It was just too emotional and Icouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Who has not read the book.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Y'all be prepared.
To me it's a hard read.
The reviews have said it's ahard read.
The tissue's ready.
Nobody's been able to put itdown.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
People triple lock their doors.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
We've had some producers say they want to turn
it into a movie.
We'll see.
We got Tyler Perry down theroad.
We'd like to give it over tohim.
I would love.
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
We got Tyler Perry down the road We'd like to give
it over to him.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I would love, but yeah, get on there and check it
out.
Who Kicked First?
By Victoria Curate.
So my wife went through hellfor the eight months that she
was buried to this monster.
I wasn't buried for eightmonths.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I was with him for eight months.
Yeah right, it took me a whileto get away from that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
After, because of the medical and she was, If you, if
you can name it, it was done toher.
You know.
She tells me instance where shewill wake up with him
straddling her just wailing onher face with his fist,
Screaming at her to get up andget me a glass of water.
Now, if you know anybody whosewires are crossed this bad, you
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need to get the hell away fromthem.
Guys, if you see something youknow with one of these ladies
that have the telltale signsthat there may be abuse, say
something.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Do something about it .
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Help them get out of that situation.
Ladies, if you're in thatsituation, ask my wife for some
advice.
She's written classes, courses,she's got books out how to make
your escape plan, how to startsurviving after all of this, how
to start thriving Thriving.
You know she was there all byherself.
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She had no one to turn to, noone to help her, because that
narcissist and asshole had somuch control and power over her
that you know she could barelybreathe.
And a lot of survivors I'm notcalling y'all victims.
A lot of y'all survivors areprobably the same way calling
y'all victims a lot of y'allsurvivors are probably the same
way.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Well, there's a twist , if you will, to this is that I
honestly own what I do and whatI've done, and I agreed not to
defend myself against him aslong as he stayed away from my
stomach.
I was pregnant and he knew Ihad two black belts.
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And he openly admitted Inmartial arts yes, he openly
admitted that he would havenever raised a hand to me if I
wasn't pregnant.
He knew that.
But one of the first things youlearn in any martial arts is
de-escalation and you learn tofight, to flight.
Right, that's the first thingget away from the assailant, get
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away.
but when you are literallystraddled in your sleep, and
being punched in the face thatyou're pregnant to go get some
water.
You know that's not how it goes, and so I made a deal that as
long as he didn't hit mystomach- so that I could protect
my daughter, that that Iwouldn't fight him back.
But the whole time I wasgathering proof, because I
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needed to not only get out andsurvive and thrive, I needed to
make sure he couldn't beanywhere alone and alone with my
daughter.
The stories that he said he wasincredibly charismatic.
He knew the buttons that neededto be pushed, if you will,
metaphorically, in order to evenhave me consider this as
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something.
I would have done, and it'sawful, because if, for instance,
the bed wasn't made the exactway, I would hear you know.
Why do you make me do this?
Why do you make me do this?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Do you think I?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
like doing this to you, and if the laundry wasn't
done and put away like it'ssupposed to, then there would be
a reason If dinner wasn't onthe table at exactly a certain
time or if there wasn't.
He had severe OCD and in thebeginning I thought it was a
joke and it wasn't aspredominant as it is now.
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So I kind of thought thingswere funny when he would do
stuff and like oh, I have tohave three of this on my salad
and I thought he was kidding,and then none of the food could
touch.
And then if we were drivinganywhere, he counted the clicks
on the turn signal and if heturned and say it fell on an
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even number, he would do theturn signal again to get it to
go to an odd number, and so thatI just thought that was you,
you know whoppers back then.
I mean, I was young I'm notsaying anything against anyone
with OCD but OCD wasn't a big,you know, predominant thing back
then and I had no idea.
And so control is anunderstatement.
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I couldn't go to the bathroomwith the door shut.
I was raised understanding thatthat's your private time,
that's your time you go in thereand it's your relaxation time.
You just don't barge in there.
You know I.
Multiple times he threw me inthe bathtub.
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There were times he took mymetal brush and beat me in the
face with it.
There were so many times and somany different incidences, and
he testified that if he hit meonce, he hit me 200 times.
And he also testified that if Icried, whatever he did, he
would do it again.
And so, literally, the judgetold him you trained her to
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accept your hand Because, likean alcoholic, if you want to get
drunk, you have to drink morethan you're used to in order to
be drunk.
And so I was stabbed over adozen times, and so if he
stabbed me and I showed anyemotion, then he would stab me
again, and when I would go tothe emergency room I would say
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no to any kind of medicationbecause I didn't want it to go
to my daughter.
And so they would say but we gotto give you hundreds of
stitches and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Well, you know what.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I didn't get any of the knife stabbed.
I don't want them now because Iwas so petrified.
I didn't want any of that inthere and I try.
I don't want to tell everythingand I couldn't in an hour
anyway.
I did try at one point to leavethe first time.
The average person goes backseven times but it's because
they don't have the escape planset up and ready to go.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Go back to the abuser ?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yes, and he shot and killed our puppy to show what he
would do if I tried to leave,and that just floored me.
I mean, you're talking about asix-month-old, very healthy
puppy and we ended up taking thedog to the vet the emergency
vet and he made sure I didn'tknow where we were.
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I was in a city area that I hadnever really been to ever in my
life prior, and so he drove allthese different ways around and
whatever, and uh I had no ideawhere we were and he was so good
at lying like it could bebright sunshine outside and he
would make you think you'recrazy.
And he would make you thinkthere's a tomato like right
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behind you.
He was so good at lying that you, you would just you know, when
I got in there, I thought, oh mygod, thank you, thank you,
they're gonna call the police.
This is, you know, a?
When I got in there, I thought,oh my god, they're going to
call the police.
This is, you know, a felony.
This is a felony, this isanimal cruelty.
We shot and killed our dog andthey said you know, we have to
call the police.
And he just stood there and hewas just all of a sudden like
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just started the fake emotionand said, no, we've gone out to
dinner and and if somehow theygot, whoever shot him got in the
backyard and they asked him ifhe had another dog and he did.
He had two and he was like, well, how come the other dog didn't
get hurt and he just got like,uh, and then he said, oh, the
other dog was in the house andit was just I couldn't believe
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that he was getting away withthis.
And then he got away witheverything, literally everything
, and I was of the mindset thatthis really couldn't be,
happening right like I couldwatch enough, or um, sleeping
with the enemy, and think it'scomical, like it's a comedy show
and I'm not making light ofanything, because I've always
said one hit, one slap, one kick, it's one too many, it's never
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a competition, it's just no.
but when you literally, like I,started connecting with the
evidence and I would go back andlook at it because I really
couldn't believe what I wasseeing, I couldn't believe what
I was enduring, because you justyou can't fathom and think that
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you know they turn it on you.
Why do you make us do this?
This is we had just done what Itold you to.
This would never have happened.
You know like he would followme to my office but because of
my job, I parked in theexecutive parking so he couldn't
get in there.
I would have to call him frommy office so he would see it on
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his phone that that's where Iwas, or he would call me, and it
was just so suffocating.
I felt like an asthmatic in aroom of smokers with no windows
or doors Craft and helpless.
Yes and alone, Very much alone.
The only thing that gave mesavior was my daughter who, when
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I would want to give up, wouldkick me to remind me she was
there.
My grandparents' memories Iconstantly thought of them and I
always thought of Michael.
I always thought of Michael andalways thought of michael.
I always thought of michael andI thought he killed me.
I never said I would never seemy husband now again.
And that was really reallytough.
And here I am and here you arenow 25 years later well, 25
(17:22):
years later but yeah, we'veknown each other for a long time
.
Many decades.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I met a couple today on my job and they said we just
had our anniversary last weekand we had 57 years together.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Aww.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And they were just like us, just each other up and
their banter was comical.
So it's going to be us In 57years Old biddies, rocking
chairs.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Old biddies.
Yes, my husband is trying todivert, he has to.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I don't have to ask.
Yes, you do.
What is my question?
I have to ask, we have to talkabout this.
People need to know.
Think about you know, peoplewho have no idea what's going on
.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
What is my question?
I have to ask.
We have to talk about this.
People need to know.
Think about you, know peoplewho have no idea what's going on
.
They know where they're at, theyknow they want to get helpless,
they feel lost, they feel likethey have no control over
absolutely anything and you knowwhat, if they are cleaning the
house and they have theirearpods on and they're listening
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to this and they feel they haveno one to go to, they have no
one in their corner, okay, andthey have questions, but they
can't write.
He watched everything I did.
He checked every text message.
He checked my browser history.
He checked everything on thecomputer when he wasn't
participating in disgustingthings that I didn't know about.
These sweet, amazing peopleneed to know.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
One they're not alone .
Speaker 2 (18:48):
B this is not your forever.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You did not deserve this and you do not have to stay
in this and don't say it'sbecause of the kids Don't say
it's because of whatever,because let me tell you
something and I can tell youfirsthand If he's hitting you.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's a matter of time before he hits the kids takes
it out on the animals, the petsand when I say animals, I don't
mean your furry friends that arefamily members I'm talking
about if they see an animal onthe road, if they see a stray
dog on the property or a straycat on the property, because
that happened too Like those arethe things and you know, like I
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said before, I own what I did.
I was not perfect in regards tothe fact I told him to go out
with other women Because one hewasn't home beating me and I'm
pregnant Not that that made adifference, because you
shouldn't be beating on anyone.
Anyway.
Also, he would be in thecourting period where he would
be trying to get somebody elseon the side.
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And so I okayed him to go outand have another woman.
I absolutely did, because thenhe wasn't home beating me, he
wasn't at the house hurting me.
If he's out with other people,then he's not out at home,
beating me half to death.
And because I didn't consent.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Because I did not consent for intercourse after
the abuse he was sexuallyassaulting me and so if he would
go and he had other people,then he could go and be with
them and leave me alone, leaveme and my child alone.
So, yes, I absolutely told himgo out, you know.
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You know, meet other people,have other women.
That way you're not coming back.
And you know, pounding my faceinto a cabinet because you need
three of everything and there'stwo and a third but you can't
have a fourth.
I mean these are how the thingswould be constantly.
I mean, every single day feltlike a lifetime.
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My favorite day of the week wasmonday because I was in the
office.
I was always there bright andearly in the morning, before
everybody else, and I was alwaysthe last to leave so how can
you mention that there's there'sa lot of paper trail with
electronic devices, social media.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There is Okay, that's one thing, but how can they
start their escape plan, how canthey start their exit strategy
without leaving that paper trail?
Well, there's a lot of thingsyou can do, and I say this to
survivors in that very situationfrom the, from the job.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Let's say, you go to the store, like when I would go
to the grocery store, I would goto walmart or wherever he.
Well, and back then we had likethe what is it?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
the razor phones or the flip phone?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
whatever it was right .
So we didn't have smartphoneslike so I would have to bring a
receipt or I would have to, orhe'd see the bags or he checked
the statements right, so I wouldgo get everything now.
I could never get anything formyself like I got chapstick once
and this is the version.
I'm sorry, I got chapstickbecause I had very dry lips in
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the winter and I was a whorebecause I got chapstick.
Chapstick.
Really because I was a whorebecause I got chaps in Chaps in.
Really Because I was a whorebecause I got it and he ended up
throwing my face into a metal,Anyway.
So whenever I would go to thestore and you go to checkout, it
would ask do you want cash back?
I always took cash back and,depending on how much I bought
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at the store.
So if I bought $180 at the,store.
So if I bought, 180 dollars thestore, then I would get 40 back
.
And if I had you know couponsor?
whatever.
Then I would use the coupons,not tell him and that money you
know.
I would say, oh, I've gotcoupons and you know whatever.
And then he would make thedifference, but I would always
get money back.
And then what I would do is inthe vehicle I had, it had a
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compartment in the back, nobodyknew about, and I would make the
difference, but I would alwaysget money back.
And then what I would do is inthe vehicle I had, it had an
apartment in the back, nobodyknew about, and I would stick
the money in there little bylittle, and every time I would
go I would get more money.
And then it doesn't show an ATMwithdrawal, it doesn't show a
bank withdrawal.
You know.
It doesn't show any of that.
Also, you know I changed jobsand I negotiated my salary, and
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he did not know what I wasmaking, and so he didn't know
what I was really making, and soI took the difference in what I
was making and put it in theaccount he had no knowledge of.
So that also was another way,and I had it tagged to my bank
card.
Um, but I would go to thegrocery store, I'd go to the
walmart or whatever and I wouldget money back.
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Then I would also get giftcards, uh say for gas, gas cards
or like a walmart gift card orsomething like that, so that I
would have those as well.
And that was the way I startedto get stuff together little by
little.
I had a gardener phone.
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I got an extra charger becausewhen I got back to the house it
was another home.
When I got back to the house, Iwasn't allowed to have my phone
and we didn't have a landlineand he would take the car
charger or the home charger too,so that I couldn't charge the
phone.
And if he beat me and he left,he took the phone and the car
keys.
So I was helpless and withoutbeing able to call the doctor.
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So I got a burner phone and Ialways backed in Because if I
had to get out quickly I couldnot have to worry as much About
trying to get out of the garageor the driveway or whatever,
because I'm already backed in,so not have to worry as much
about trying to get out of thegarage or the driveway or
whatever, because I'm alreadybacked in.
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So that's another option thatyou can do.
But gather proof, gatherevidence.
One of the other things that Idid at work was I would take
screenshots of the text messagesand I'm going to kind of be
cryptic.
But he sent me a text messagebecause I told him that I felt
like a single mom right, and sohe said all single moms are
Satan's spawn and they shouldall effing die.
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So I took screenshot and Iuploaded it to an account a
dummy account or like aWalgreens CBS or anything like
and I put it into that placewhere you can go and have
pictures developed and pick themup, right, and then I would
delete any and all ever evidenceof it so that they couldn't be
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found.
And that way I started to haveproof that way as well.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Did you take any documents out of the house or
did you make photocopies ofanything?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I did, I took documents out, I took
photocopies out I went to adifferent financial institution
than either one of us used and Iopened a safe deposit box, told
them what was going on and so Iput, oh, that's good.
I went in there and did that.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Does the bank have some type type of you know
clause or something?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
now they can't no but any of it out to a spouse no, I
didn't have them on as a signerand so um, and I had not gotten
a new driver's license.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yet, even though you'd like 30 days.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
So I used my old one, I put it in my maiden name and
I went in there and got that andthen I started.
Like my grandmother's alreadymeant the world to me.
It still does, and so I I tookthings of that nature and I put
it in the safe deposit box sothat he couldn't destroy them,
and then any paper evidence thatI found I would take it and put
it in there, or, if I thoughthe would look for it later, I
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would make a copy because we hada printer or copy machine, and
I would take it and put it inthere, so that there was another
way I was getting proof.
That way as well, I would slowlyyou have to do it kind of on
the slow side know, make sureyou make your house as as abuse
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proof as you can and I go intoextreme detail about this in
other places but, for instance,never keep things on step or the
stairs ever when your kids arethere, you tell them, no matter
what you hear, you go far awayor run out and get help.
Another thing is, if the abuserhas a tendency to throw things
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at you like glass jars orglasses or things of that nature
, slowly whenever they're broken, or you get clumsy, quote
unquote and you break it byaccident, then go to the dollar
store and replace it withplastic, because plastic doesn't
hurt as much as glass.
Um, I got rid of my metalhairbrush and got a plastic one
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and, like I didn't have anyglass jars around, if I had,
like marinara sauce to cook withor whatever, I would put them
in tupperware containers andlabel them.
Uh, I tried to get rid of anyand all glass that I could,
because it made a difference.
I started to slowly take theknives out of the house, you
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know, just little by little, andhe wouldn't even let me have
ice packs in the house for myinjuries, so when I would get a
black eye or a broken nose, or abusted face.
I had to go into our bathroomand lay on the bathroom floor,
because that was the only thingthat was cold.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
He would you know, and there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You have to go back and think what are you going to
put in the book?
What are you not going to putin the book?
What do you take out?
He would empty the ice out sothat I couldn't put ice in a rag
and put it on me.
That was a big thing.
You'd always make sure heemptied the ice out and he
didn't just empty it in a sink.
He'd go throw it outside, inthe backyard or whatever.
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So I couldn't just go pick it upand so I would have to lay on
the bathroom floor for it to becold to try to reduce swelling.
If there are incidences and I'mso sorry if I'm triggering
anyone, I'm trying not to, soI'm giving trigger warnings.
If there was incidences whereblood was involved then he would
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leave and I'd have to haveeverything cleaned up before he
got back, or it set him offagain.
It was a trigger for him if hecame back and saw blood anywhere
.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
So everything had to be clean y'all see why I don't
want to talk about this, but itneeds to be talked about.
I'm sitting here looking at mybeautiful wife, imagining her
going through all that shit andyou know there's nothing you can
do about it now.
It's all in the past.
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Little did he know that he madeone of the strongest warriors
on this earth inadvertently notthat I'm giving him any credit
at all.
Little did he know that he madeone of the strongest employers
on this earth inadvertently Notthat I'm giving him any credit
at all, but I don't see herchipping down oxys or hydros I
never have.
Not only, in fairness, shedoesn't do pain meds like you
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know everyone else does.
You know she goes throughsurgeries.
You know eyes wide open.
You know they just tell herdon't move.
She's had so many surgeriesdone where she has not been
under, not been twilighted or nopain meds afterwards.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You've never seen me take a single pain med.
I don't even fill the script.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
That's how I don't write a script.
Extremely strong person.
Well because you don't have achoice.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
And, like in martial arts, you train and then you
spar because they want you tolearn what it feels like to get
hit.
So you know.
So I really think, if I didn'thave my martial art training, I
think I'd be in a differentplace, because I kept telling
myself you know, it's just afight, it's just a fight.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
We're sparring, you know, and I know that's a mental
trick, but you have to do whatyou can at that moment to
survive, like you just have to.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And I never wanted to tell you anything because I
didn't want it to affect mydaughter, like I just didn't
want it to affect her.
And so I got to that point.
Well then, after the last timehe put in icu and she was
starting to come early.
I just you know she had medicalissues and so because of that I
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had to wait and if anything Ihad wasn't life-threatening like
I had a broken foot, I hadfingers, I had a man, I had this
elongated shoulder.
My nose wasreatening like I hada broken foot.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I had broken fingers.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I had a man.
I had a disorganized shoulder,my nose was broken, blah, blah,
blah blah.
I had a blood clot, you know,you name it.
Then I chose not to get thosethings fixed, which was my
choice, because I needed to bethere for her.
I couldn't be laid up somewhereelse trying to recuperate when
my daughter's fighting for herlife, coding every day, having
multiple seizures every day anda NICU, and I am alone with no
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help or support.
So I had no choice, so I did andI understand that a lot of my
surgeries are because I waitedfor so long.
I take responsibility for that.
Could they have just donesomething back in the day to fix
my shoulder, probably?
But, I waited until she wasdecannulated and her trach had
been removed before, because Ihad to end up getting a full
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shoulder replacement.
And when you're carrying arounda suction machine and a pulse
ox monitor and you know oxygentank and emergency bag and
backup traits and the feeding.
I mean, you name it and you'redoing all this by yourself.
To hell with how you feelyou're a mom.
That first responsibility, andonly responsibility, is my child
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and I need to be able to get inthere if there's an occlusion
and you know, she has agranuloma and whatever the case
may be, and so I waited, and Iunderstand that exacerbated the
need for additional medicalintervention, but I wasn't going
to do it with any kind ofpharmaceutical assistance and
this is why I say that yourdaughter, our daughter now
Speaker 1 (32:48):
my daughter is and was at the time, still is the
strength at the forefront ofyour heart.
She's a badass, Because you puther there.
She was there and she helpedget you through all this.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
And she says the same thing, which I just think is
crazy she's a little mean to you.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I tell her that all the time you were just like your
mother.
Thank God.
And she said damn right.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I think one of the funniest things she said was
literally.
I mean she's been spunky fromthe jump.
But we were walking around thegrocery store one time and she
said to me I mean she also knewsign, because she was unable to
be audible because of the trachshe had.
And then she was diagnosed withapraxia, which she has overcome
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, like everything else.
and she looks at me in thefreezer section and she puts her
little hands on hips and shegoes mom you made a seriously
kick-ass daughter with some uglyspare parts and at first I
thought she meant her, sure, andI was like what do you mean,
ugly spare parts?
Thought she meant her sure, andI was like what do you mean?
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Ugly spare parts?
And the only thing I ever toldher was that that makes her mom
like I didn't go into anythingspecific.
She didn't need to know.
She's a kid, right?
I'm not going to tell her any ofthat, and I was a single parent
for a very, very long time, andso I asked her what that meant,
and so she knew that it took amom and a dad to have a kid.
That's all she knew, right now,oh lord please don't ask her
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now, but she knew back then ittook a mom and a dad to have a
baby.
And when she's walking aroundshe looks at me and said I made
a kick-ass kid with ugly spareparts.
You know any medical mom isgonna be like what do you mean?
Why do you say that, you know?
And she's like no, I'm not himand she didn't even know that.
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Like he was the inside of ahemorrhoid ugly physically.
But what a lot of people don'trealize is that when she was in
the womb she recognized hisvoice and she would become
tachycardic when she would hearhis voice.
And when I went to court theyhad a recording of his voice and
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I have the picture, becausethey took a picture of this and
when they played the recording.
She wasn't even two and a halfyears old.
She the horror.
Look on her face.
She looked like she was in suchfear when she heard that
recording and I have the picture.
She remembered the voice.
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But then, all of these years,while I was a single mom.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I always told her there was only one person that I
would ever allow to be herfather, her dad.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Anybody can do two pugs in a bush and impregnate
somebody, right.
Anybody can do that.
That doesn't make you a daddy,that doesn't make you a father
right.
It makes you a sperm donor.
So I told her there's only oneperson that I would ever, ever
allow that position, that role,and it's Michael.
And we were only friends andyou know we spoke off and on and
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his disgusting, tyrant, nastysecond wife you know, got nasty
with me and I reminded her thatI had him before her and if I
wanted him now, I'd have himagain, but I'm not going to be
the other woman.
So when this marriage ended andI reminded her, that it would,
then I'll come back and get him,and so I waited for them to be
(36:29):
done, and then we got backtogether.
But, what was so sweet is thatmy husband asked my daughter's
permission to marry him.
And ask permission.
That's what I'm watching youtrying to go to sleep on me and
it's my back certainly, I workall day hold on.
(36:50):
You were home by 3 pm.
Well, I worked all day.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Dave, I'm a hard worker.
Look at these hands Justwrought with calluses, calluses,
oh yes.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
You got more calluses than I do so what does that say
?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
How the hell does that?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
happen.
I work 20 hours a day.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Sitting on your butt up here on the computer.
You close your mouth, you getsome flies.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
From the shit you're talking Serious Really.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
You went from serious to jovial, like a light switch.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Because you're with me Okay.
Because you're with me Okay,because you're with me.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
And I was the only man to be the father of your
daughter.
That's right, I wouldn't letanybody else.
Boy, what a pain in the ass sheis to me.
I mean, I love that kid todeath.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
She still got you wrapped around her little
Bullshit, you Really.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Don't do it.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Tell them how we're always on the same page.
We're always on the same page.
No, you gotta give an example.
An example so sweet.
An example, twice today alone.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
The last time my wife called me here about two
something.
Whatever she the phone ring, asmy finger was no more than I'd
say a couple millimeters awayfrom dialing her number from
from hitting her on my, on myphone pad best examples our
wedding right a couple years agowhat I describe it, because I
(38:29):
forgot what, what, where you andI decided we're we do different
rings every year and like oh,what are we going to do this
year?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
We're like, we don't know, we don't know.
So we both look separately andthen we show each other and it's
the exact same ring.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
That's your soulmate going.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And then the dog.
What about the dog with theamputated leg?
No way.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I was just scrolling through Facebook seeing if
anyone else wished me a happybirthday other than our other
daughter.
There was just a picture of anamputated old sailor with a
monkey doing something.
He had two peg legs, this oldguy, a really old sailor.
(39:15):
My wife shows me a picture of adog with an amputated leg.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Now, in fairness, I couldn't see what you were
looking at.
Yeah, I had no idea what youwere looking at.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
So we're both just, you know, looking at, not that
you know that was the topic ofthe evening.
It's just coincidence.
It's just things like thathappen all the time with her and
I.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yes, let me guess what you want to go take 10?
Speaker 1 (39:37):
No, I've got some items to take out of the van.
Uh-huh, and I'm going to do alittle clean up and then I'll
cook y'all our dinner.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I have your dinner ready for you.
I got you what I'm about tohave, what, what I cook for you
all the time.
What are you talking?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
about I'm the only one who doesn't make the fire
alarm go off.
You know that.
A couple thought it was sweetsaying that I bring you
breakfast in bed.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
It's very sweet for you to defrost frozen waffles.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
yes, Woman, you can left it alone, okay.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
But you're sitting here saying I don't cook you
dinner ever?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I didn't say that ever.
That's a lot of silence that'sa lot of silence.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
You're so ridiculous, you're like babe no, you do so
much, I bring you breakfastevery day awful and tea.
Okay, hold on hold on when youand cutie Patootie have
father-daughter movie nightevery time, what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Working.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
And when you take your 18-hour naps, what am I
doing?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
the whole time, I don't know.
I'm asleep, I get up and thingsare rearranged.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
So I'm cleaning.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Or working.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Right.
So on average, how many hours aday do I work?
I don't know I'm cleaning orworking, right?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
So on average, how many hours a day do I work?
I don't know, I'm not here, I'mworking.
Oh touche huh.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
No, not when you're sleeping.
No, no.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
You said on average.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Okay, on a weekend.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
On a weekend, sure, I don't know about 10 plus a day,
ken.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I'm not going to have this Seriously.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Don't call the dog.
Stuck was right there.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I can't believe you.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
All right, so I won, you lost.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
This man.
When he plays cards with me andI lose the hand, he says, oh,
you're upset because you lostyour hand, your hand.
Or if we go to a store, he'slike look, it's half off like
you.
These are all things that hedoes because he thinks he's all
you know when you'll go get inthe jacuzzi what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
working okay so well, that's not fair right now,
because you have stitches.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
My stitches are gone.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
No, they're still on your back.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Well, they're in your back, they're dissolving, but I
cannot I'm not cleared to doanything or submerge any of this
in my back for another threeweeks.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
So let me, let me I still can't say it reiterate you
did it, say opioids no.
Who Caked First by VictoriaPiroletti, because I ain't
reading that dang book y'all,and I dare y'all to read it,
(42:31):
okay, and the wife put out thereif y'all want to help us out,
then contact us.
The bottom of the webpage itsays contact us.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Well, it also says buy me a coffee on the website.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I'm just talking about help actual help, Because
there's some stuff on the webdesign and different things that
my wife is not properly trainedon.
She has to learn all thisherself and she's incredibly
talented and smart and she'sbuilt some dynamic, amazing
platforms and all this crap.
It's crap.
(43:02):
Well, you know what I'm talkingabout.
No, no, if y'all want to helpout, because this is, you know,
only a two-man show up in here.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Oh, you're talking about faith.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Y'all reach out to her and say hey, I think I can
help you out a little bit, buty'all can buy her coffee anytime
.
You have my permission.
Permission, they can buy youcoffee, but you're taking,
you're solid with me, you're mysoulmate, I love you.
How many ever say to my wifeThank you for listening to
(43:36):
Unstoppable with Michael andVictoria.
Goodnight y'all.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Click in recording what do you want me to do click
in recording?
Why would I want to do that?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
woman turn this thing , off, click the button now.
When off, hit the button.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
How do you get the button?
Oh, goodbye.
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