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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Howdy y'all.
Welcome to a special edition ofRage from a contagious smile
post-Victoria.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
No, no, I don't think that's accurate or correct at
all.
We're just doing a specialedition podcast because today is
my FU anniversary.
Fu anniversary I got thepleasure of interviewing Tyron
Jackson, who has become a friend, and he has such an amazing,
motivational and heartbreakingstory which you guys will hear
(00:34):
when it releases soon.
He is a brother as amputee anda motivational speaker.
Nice, nice guy.
We were talking about that.
Today is my three years ofbeing an amputee and he and it
was an amputee anniversary orhappy amputee anniversary,
whatever three years and we weretalking about what it's like to
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really get through it andpeople don't get it unless they
have become an amputeT right.
Nobody understands that.
So we were talking about thatand we were talking about the
release of.
Dear Silence you Lost.
We Get the Last Word, and thatwill be on ebook and paperback.
(01:20):
As we celebrate See, we'recelebrating, we got bells and
whistles the release of thisinternational what would you
call it, babe?
It's an international gatheringof survivors.
That is just amazing, and I amso honored that these wonderful
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human beings trusted me withtheir stories and allowed me to
tell the world of their show,the world, their bravery, and
the sacrifice and the survivalto which every single one of
them have.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So y'all get on Amazon and get this book.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well, hold on.
It wasn't supposed to bereleased until October 1st, but
the e-book is live as of todayand the paperback is still in
approval.
But it will be out shortly andall proceeds go to offering
scholarships to those that needthat, so we can provide that
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comfort and health and healingwithout a price tag, because you
shouldn't have to pay to betteryourself and to get through
tough times.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
The name of the book is Dear Silence you Lost,
compiled by Victoria Curie,written by hundreds.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Okay, these are their actual stories.
These are their what would youcall it Heroic escapes.
Maybe they're traumaticnightmares.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
This is their voice.
Excuse me, this is their voice,they and I and you, because
you're in it.
You actually submitted a letterin this is a voice for the
voiceless.
We were basically likeintroverted within ourselves,
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going through, whether it'semotional.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Physical, verbal, emotional sexual.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It's all in there and this is their like taking the
tape off.
This is them using their voiceand stating hey, guess what?
We survived and this is how wedid it.
This is our story.
So, yeah, it's it's.
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It's an honor, but was a very,very challenging thing to do,
because when you read whateverybody went through, it's a
lot, it's very challenging.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So if you don't have Kindle, put it in your wish list
and be able to look out for it.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
For paperback.
Yes, yes.
So let's talk about black sheep.
Let's talk about black sheep.
Let's talk about the blacksheep of family.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Well, that would be you, that would be me, that
would be how many others, somany.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
What do you think it's like?
Well, first of all, one of thevery first things I've ever
learned and I know, you learnedand know, but I learned even
from studying and courses andthings like that is that, and I
learned firsthand from lifeitself is that narcissists
cannot accept or claimresponsibility for their actions
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, no matter what it is, if it isnot making them look better or
putting themselves out there ina positive way they care more
about the public's perception ofthem than what they do behind
closed doors.
They will never acceptaccountability for their actions
, right?
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So as funny as that is and Idon't mean it comically and as
black sheep you know we all knowthat I survived horrific
domestic violence.
Any domestic violence ishorrific right, but I have had
well over 100 surgeries and Ihave still now made my reason
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for life beside my husband andchild to help others and for 20
years.
That's what I've done.
I have advocated and stood withstood for and helped survivors
of domestic violence, specialneeds children and never taken a
check for it.
This is something that I havedone because I believe in it so
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strongly.
My husband believes in it sostrongly my daughter believes in
it so strongly.
And so in the beginning, forwho kicked first?
I, which is your memoir?
That is a that is a memoir, andI was literally being
interrogated by any and everyone, and so I started to take notes
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.
Faith was in a medical injurycoma, so we couldn't stimulate
her.
But I sat beside her and talkedto her and told her stories and
saying to her but I literallytook my laptop and just started
writing and writing and writing.
I literally took my laptop andjust started writing and writing
and writing, because whenyou're being interrogated, you
know I'm sorry and I totallydon't agree with our system.
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But the thing is is that theperson who did the crime is not
getting interrogated, the and Ihate the word victim, I think
it's so inappropriate.
We are interrogated.
I always ask well, who brokeyour nose?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Where were they?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Who was around?
What time of day was it?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
What was?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
the weather like what was he wearing?
What were you wearing?
When you're getting your noseshattered open, I promise you
that you are not looking at yoursurrounding environment.
You're not looking at who is it?
Nine o'clock.
Who's at three six, 11.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You're not looking at any of that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I'm sitting in my vehicle.
I'm on a military installationand I'm getting my face smashed
open, that I can tell you.
Well, what day of the week wasit?
What day of time of the day wasit?
What were they wearing?
Well, obviously it was ayouthful who was standing around
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around.
I don't know.
They all look like little gidope figures, right.
So it's like constant, and itwas like we have to not prove
our like our innocently to proveour truth.
Well, I've always said from dayone you don't have non-cosmetic
surgery for things that aren'tbroken, right.
You're not going to go to thehospital have your nose set if
it's not broken, they're notgoing to do it.
You're not gonna have atitanium face if your jaws are
shattered beyond repair and youhave multiple surgeries to get
there, right.
You're not gonna lose yourhearing and require hearing aids
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and have actual hearing teststhat show hearing loss due to
trauma if you don't have itright.
So this is all cut in your eye.
There it is.
So the one thing aboutnarcissism is that they never
can hold themselves accountablefor their actions.
Okay, and one of the mainthings that narcissists love is
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the sense of truth.
They think it is like the bestanalogy I can do is like a
little kid stomping their feet,not getting their way, and
they're like oh, you're notlistening to me, you know it's
not, it's all it's supposed to,be all about me so to hell with
you.
Oh, stomping my feet, oh, oh, oh, turn around, walk off and stop
talking to you until you needsomething again, and until that
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time comes, they have nothingfor you or to do with you.
Because here's the thing thing,and I can't wait to hear your
thought on this the narcissistbiggest threat is the black
sheep, because the golden childis so I don't know what you want
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to say like taken care of thatit's like the sheep, the wool is
pulled over their eyes.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Right they have on blinders.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Blinders they have on .
What do they call them like?
The rose colored glasses, right?
So with the black sheep?
A narcissist spends their lifelike belittling the black sheep,
tearing them down.
Nothing is ever good enough.
You know, like in my situation.
I wrote a book and I heard ohwell, your brother wrote a term
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paper or a thesis or you knowwhatever.
Okay, great, good for him.
Nowhere, anywhere can anyonesay.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I've ever said anything bad about my brother.
Do we have a relationship?
No, why?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Because narcissistic parents separate the siblings
out of fear that they'll cometogether and go against the
parents right Now.
I've always said from day oneand I appreciate the fact that
my biological parents did allowus to be there for refuge after
my, our daughter, was born, andthat would be months and months
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after they met her for the veryfirst time.
They didn't even meet her untilshe was well over three months
of age, but geographically, fromtheir front door to the door of
the hospital was less than 1.5miles.
Right, less than 1.5 miles.
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So if there was no traffic,three minutes, right, seriously.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Is that right or wrong?
Yeah, from what I rememberwhere they live, right.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So I appreciate the refuge.
I do.
I appreciate that they let us.
They did not have to.
I've always said that, but thatdoesn't mean that that gives
the right to do some things.
Always said that, but thatdoesn't mean that that gives the
right to do some things thatwere done.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
And I've always said I'm not innocent.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I'm sure I've done bad things.
I admit that I've done badthings.
I made a deal with the devilthat I wouldn't hit him back if
he didn't hit my stomach right.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
These are things that .
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I openly admit to so.
Needless to say, so many peopleask me over the years how did
you get to where?
You were comfortable withsomeone like your ex Right, and
it was after years and decades,really, of being on a therapist
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couch.
I was in therapy in elementaryand middle and high school
constantly.
It was consistent.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I've always been on the couch, because I never
understood why I was in themonth.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Why could I not have a dad that would say I love you?
Why could I not have a dad thatsaid he's proud of me, or?
You know, I was always tryingto get him to even want to be
around me, and, and when I waslittle, I would go on motorcycle
rides with him, I would want todo stuff with him, right.
But then everything changed andI went 10 years without speaking
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to him, and the thing is that Igot into careers to have
something in common with himwhich I wanted nothing to do
with, but I did it because Ialways wanted his approval.
I always wanted him to say I'mproud of you, which I didn't
hear, and I, like, constantlywanted to hear this.
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I never heard it, and the thingis that I had the influence of
my grandparents which meant theworld to me and I was willing to
emulate what they had.
And, yes, I went through in myearly 20s whatever relationships
Because I, literally I wasn'tspeaking to my biological
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parents.
And I spent that time hiding,literally, literally, because I
wanted nothing to do with them.
And in the beginning of thattime I met my soulmate, who's
sitting here in front of me, andwe spent four and a half
beautiful years together, andpart of that time I did see my
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biological parents and theyeverybody knew who my soulmate
was because I held them in sucha high regard and I was
traveling with work and blah,blah, blah Anyway.
So I never got that touch of youknow we're proud of you or what
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you've accomplished.
It's all like oh, you got thisjob, how much money do you make?
Why are you living alone.
Why are you doing this?
You know I would get.
Why don't you just put yourname?
On a bus stop, because that'sthe kind of white trash that you
are and that's the kind ofwhite trash that you have in
your life as relationships.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
This is what I would hear constantly.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I would hear you know about my scars.
Men aren't going to find themattractive.
Men aren't going to find youattractive.
Things that were just You'reeffing hot, but just things that
you would never say.
I would never say these thingsto Faith Ever in my life.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Don't mind telling her all the time, every day.
I'm proud of her.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
She's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
And I love her.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And we broke the chains.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
We both did because we were not going to be like
that.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And see here's.
The thing Is that I wrote thisbook and our kids there.
And the thing is that the bookand my husband has read it and
my husband knows he can saywhatever and I support him
whether we agree on it or not,because that's why you have
opinions.
Everything in that book isbacked by evidence, right
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Everything, and it'soverwhelming.
Like it took me a long timebecause it was do.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I want to put that in there.
Do I want to put this in there?
Do I want to take?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
that out.
You know how far do.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I want to go with this, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Because there was probably another thousand pieces
of evidence pictures andwhatever that I kept, that I
didn't include and I did notwant to slam my brother, but I
wanted him to know.
I was hoping that if he everread this book it would be
eye-opening for him because hewould really learn more about
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who they really were.
But he was never going tobelieve me because he only heard
what he got from them.
He had no relationship with ourbiological father and you know
they would show me things abouthow he would get upset with.
You know this is that manner.
But you know my husband hasknown me for the longest time.
I've never said anything abouthim other than I'm glad he's
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happy and that he deserves to behappy.
I have said that I truly wish hewould get away from her, his
mom, because she made it wherehe couldn't do anything without
her, and that's not on him,that's on her right.
So anyway, needless say, it wasprobably a couple months ago
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that my biological fatherapproached my husband.
And I'm so careful abouteverything.
I've never said names oranything of that nature for
multiple reasons.
And he approached my husbandand it wasn't really.
It was kind of shocking becauseeverybody knows that faith was
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in the hospital we almost losther right and I mean we're not
talking about like a caraccident, god forbid anything
like that.
She was in full multi-organfailure.
They told us call a priest,call your husband she's not
going to get through the night.
Then they said we'll keep hercomfortable and let her pass.
Natural, we didn't leave herside for months.
Right, she had dozens ofsurgeries bedside.
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We know, for a fact that bothof our families knew hands down.
We knew, both sides knew aboutthis and no one called from your
side of the family and we heardlater on that my biological
father attempted to call onceonce, one time.
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No voicemail, no, nothing.
Here's the thing.
I got the wrong number.
That's what we were told.
We got the wrong number.
Now he runs into my husbandother owner now he runs into my
husband and like he sees himmaybe once a month, maybe every
couple months, something likethat.
He'd saw him during this period.
Not once did he say hey comehere.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Can I talk to you?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
what's going on with this?
How's she doing what?
Do y'all need nothing.
We've been at the samechildren's hospital from birth.
Right, this is where her teamis.
That's where all her doctorsare everybody knows that his
answer was we didn't know wherehe were right.
That's a load of shit, so heapproaches my husband and goes
into this long dissertationwhich I guess that's where I get
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it from and talks about howhard things are now because his
wife is sick and how horrible itis, because no one understands
how hard it is to take care ofsomeone with special needs.
Right, and what do I do Firsttime?
I reach out and I call him.
What you tried to call.
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What, when Not true?
You know he could have gotten amessage to us he didn't.
I lately said had you, and yousaid to your family anybody who
reached out to us while this wasgoing on in the faith we would
have absolutely put things asideand said if you want to see her
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, talk to her.
Whatever, we had our hands fulland we only have three.
We only have three hands.
We had support from ourlisteners and our followers.
So we had people, you know,offering to pay for our parking
and and helped us with somegofundme.
They paid for some meals, withpeople sending meals up there.
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You know, like Whitney, who isamazing, she, she sent money for
food and for parking and andthings like that, and I will
forever, we will forever begrateful to her for all of that
and our own both sides, no right.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So, needless to say, with all this and we're about to
release this other dear silencebook and you know the way
people talk and whatever myhusband is just eating at the
day here.
Just go ahead and interrupt meand say whatever you want to say
come on no good no, go ahead,please.
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Well, let's not forget while wewere there in a hospital for the
two and a half months before wewere transferred to another
hospital for another month notleaving her bedside that we were
able to bless a young man witha refrigerator?
Yes, you recall that I did, andI know that's an odd thing, but
the the he had some misfortuneupon him his wife got injured
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and he worked at the hospitaland he did not.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
He wasn't a doctor or a medical professional.
He he worked in the foodservices and he always kept
extra for us because we wouldn'tcome down yeah, we didn't leave
her bedside y'all and so myhusband didn't work for the
first several weeks, but thenwent back um and was going back
and forth, back and forth, andhe met this gentleman who they
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started job jacking my husbandjob jacks with everybody and
found out that they had lostalmost everything and we had an
extra refrigerator.
Here we are going through allthis and and he went.
My husband went home, got therefrigerator when he went back
home the next time and broughtit back to this guy.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Right, that's.
You know.
We had a lot of people you knowsupport us, yeah, so I want to
say you know we paid it forward.
Right, we all paid it forward.
You know we're not looking forglory, we're not looking to make
millions.
You know we're not looking forglory, we're not looking to make
millions.
You know, lord knows, we're notmillionaires Not us in real
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life actually read the book andhave commented on the book and
got other people to comment onthe book.
So most of y'all listeners outthere have heard or seen the
videos about Philly Carry andthe baseball.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
One of the players hit a home run, went up in the
stands and the dad was there atthe game celebrating his son's
birthday.
He went over there and he gotthe ball and gave it to his son
as a birthday present.
Karen, which the fans named.
She, is now infamous.
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She came over and nagged thefather so much said, it was her
destiny to keep that ball and hegave it to her.
He took it away from his kid.
No, he gave it so that one heprobably wouldn't have to listen
to her mouth anymore.
Two, he's there for him.
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He's there for his son.
He didn't want this woman toruin his birthday.
So, and then you see whatbecame that.
The baseball team got togetherand gave that kid so many gifts
and stuff, had him down, youknow, in the dugout, or you know
, with the players, Got anautographed baseball bat, Got so
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many things.
Oh yeah, you got to look at it.
So now this woman is infamous.
Is that how Karen came about?
Oh no, this is no.
Yeah, Karen goes back a year ortwo, Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
So I don't know where I was going with that, but you
know, we try to do good things.
And like we've started thisacademy right and we don't take
away that people get expert, youknow, medical, professional,
psychological assistance andanyway, this is trauma-based.
We've won five awards for whatwe have created.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
We are the first trauma-informed transformative
network academy for specialneeds and survivors of abuse
right these aren't awards thatare just like you know
publishers clearing house youknow, the thing is that you've
never seen.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
My husband will tell you I have never been someone
who's like oh, I can't meet metoday because I'm hurting and
I'm just gonna go feel sorry formyself.
I've never done that right,just my husband's not not been
there.
I've never done that you havenot and I've never you know my
husband gets on my butt aboutthe fact that, like I don't
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boast about myself, we won anaward.
I won an award for bestadvocate domestic violence
advocate internationally for2025.
And I'm like, okay, that's notme, it's the people I get to
talk to.
You know our ratings.
We're a top global podcast.
That's not me, it's the peopleI get to talk to.
You know our ratings, we're atop global podcast.
And it's not us, it's ourlisteners.
It's because people believe inwhat we have to say and they're
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supportive of it.
Right?
So, with that being said, evenafter all, this time I'm you
know, and I'm not doing this fora pity party.
I'm just saying, and you'll seein a second, I've lost my
hearing.
My face is all metal.
I can't even go through a metaldetector.
My shoulders replaced.
I have had over 100 surgeriesthat's not an exaggeration,
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right?
And so I have metal everywhere.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I have scars everywhere and then I get
comments like well, you couldjust take a sharpie marker and
play.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Connect the dots to all your scars.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You'll be busy for weeks.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
and this is from my biological father right.
Who in the same shit would saythat to their kids?
Hi, damn surely Hi, Rusty Bear,Face service dog Rusty, our
Rusty Bear has just come up andgiven love and hi baby.
So with all the metal in myface, and my amputation and
everything else that I've gotgoing on.
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I have a major major surgeryFriday where I am going to be
completely deaf in one side,Like not even able to hear
vibration.
I'm 88% deaf in the other ear,but here I am still podcasting.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I just finished podcasting with Tyron tonight.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
We've just been all day today launching and getting
the e-book and the paperbackbook ready.
I've written a master class andtwo other courses and survival
kit.
All which the survival kit, themasterclass and two other ones
are free right.
We're not trying to get richerin this.
We're trying to pay it forwardand help others Right.
So with all of that and wedon't want the notoriety and the
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recognition- we want to be ableto help.
We learned before that there wassome pretty derogatory negative
comments made about the nartnart book which, when you read
them, babe, when you read them,it is so obvious.
If somebody said to me,victoria, read this and tell me
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your thoughts.
First thing, when you read it,it clearly states that the
person who read it is somebodyin the book.
There is not a doubt.
Right Because it's like oh,you're only writing one side of
the story and it's releasingfamily drama.
but never did it say anywherethat it's not accurate.
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Nowhere did it say is it false.
And here's the thing the entireDark Earth book does not have
one page without evidence in it.
The book is all evidence.
There might be some words in it,but everything else is proof.
You can't doctor up a textmessage.
If you can, I sure as helldon't know how to do it.
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There's photographs, right.
There's text messages.
If you can, I sure as helldon't know how to do it.
There's photographs, right.
There's text messages.
There's emails, there'severything, and then something.
The negative review that cameout was so crystal clear that it
was without question somebodyinvolved in the book.
Without question somebodyinvolved in the book.
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And I mean I am not going topoint my one hand fingers and
say it was this person, butwe're going to narrow it down to
two and I know one didn't readit.
So it's pretty obvious.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
So here's the thing for me If you tell me don't read
this book, okay, I'm a typicalguy, I'm going to read the book.
Don't push the button.
I'm going, typical guy, I'mgonna.
I'm gonna read the book.
Don't push the button.
I'm gonna push the button ifyou're gonna sit there and
badmouth, my wife, as the authorof this book.
I want to know why, if I didn'tread this book and I didn't know
what it was about, I don't.
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I want to know why.
Why is this getting so muchpublicity, right?
Why is this guy or gal goingout of their way to slander this
author, your wife, my wife,right?
so I want to know about the booknow, so I think it's going to
have the the same effect asphilly kerry did.
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It's going to have a positivereflect on you in the book and I
think more people are going toreach a positive reflect on you
and your book and I think morepeople are going to reach out to
get this book.
Well, it's been out there for aminute Right, it's like this is
all new.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
We just it's not new.
We just now decided to talkabout it because it's not that
big of a deal.
But you know, we had so muchother stuff going on that we
just didn't feel the need totalk about it.
But you stuff going on that wejust didn't feel the need to
talk about it.
But you know and you can behonest about and my husband is a
very honest person be honestabout.
Do you think I would exacerbateanything like that?
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That's not even, no, no, youdidn't.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
You didn't embellish anything in there, you didn't
exacerbate anything uh youdidn't blow anything up, you
didn't put anything out ofproportion.
Everything was documented, itcan be proven, it's you know.
Of course the characters arefictitional, but the facts are
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the facts.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well, they're not fictitional in the fact that,
like I changed names to protectwhy?
I'm not, you know, sure, and Iredacted the faces and names.
So like you are protected, right.
If you want to come forward andbe like it's one-sided, then
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you are going to say who you areand then at that point I have
the right to defend my word.
I didn't redact anything, Ihaven't taken redaction off,
right, and that's what I'msaying.
But like just my husband knowsme better than anybody, I gotta
find this and just pull up andread a word of it, because it's
like it's kind of just, it's sookay, go ahead so the, the books
(30:09):
that you know my wife haswritten, that's got some
controversy, her first one iscalled who kicked first and the
prequel to that is
Speaker 1 (30:17):
nard, nard who's there, and they're both by
victoria cure, so please get onthere and see what we're talking
about tonight.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Well, you've met both of them.
What is your no-holds-barredunedited, unabridged version of
both of them?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I did not know.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I'm talking about.
What do you think of?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
them.
I did not know about them untilI started reading this book.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
No, you knew kind of about them.
Right, there's a lot going onthere.
Yeah, but now that you met themand speak to them, especially
my biological father- I can seeit it's the truth.
You saw them when we wereliving there for a short period
of time too.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I didn't really know no.
But when you read the book yeahum, I mean, the pictures are
worth a thousand words.
How do you explain a picturewhen you're on a weekend getaway
with your daughter and yourgranddaughter and there's
another woman there?
And you're all up in herkool-aid, if you will, sitting
(31:27):
beside her canoodling, or okay,you sat beside her.
Whatever, I was told that thiswas going to be spun on me that
I made her show up that I madeher hang out with him, that I
made him grow her, whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But here's the thing, right you made him feed her
food, that was a different woman.
Oh.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
There's been so many.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Did I bring?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
that up and it's never.
He never goes out with theseother women unless my biological
mother was out with either herson or she was babysitting the
other kids, which she has noinvolvement in.
But he wouldn't have all theseother women.
Well, I have text messages thatare in the book where he
messaged me at like 11 I don'tremember.
(32:08):
What are you looking for, um?
I was.
It was like 11 something atnight, where he is telling me
that he is still in the movietheater with this other woman
and how much fun she is andhe'll be back to the hotel soon,
and he even goes so far as totalk about how there is a big
empty bed, right.
(32:28):
So, anyway, we've known aboutthis for a good minute, but we
just decided to bring it up, um,because this is the epitome of
you know the narcissist againstthe black sheep.
The black sheep is the one whoknows the truth, who holds the
truth and will share the truth.
And anybody who has got apsychology, psychiatry,
(32:52):
counselor, therapist, livedthrough it, been there, you know
, been the black sheep, been thescapegoat.
You know for a fact that's howit is with a narcissist.
But when you hear this, it youknow first of all it's done
anonymously, which you know why,but fine.
And then it talks about, likeyou know, certain people that
(33:16):
you've known for a long time.
You know how they dictate theirwords right.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Their words are so you know Right, If I say alright
, alright, alright, you think ofone person.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Right, like you say what and I'm like, yeah, you try
to say what, but so it's aone-sided account packed with
personal stories twisted to fitthe author's narrative, taken
grossly out of context.
Packed with personal storiestwisted to fit the author's
narrative, taken grossly out ofcontext.
How do you grossly take it outof context?
(33:49):
If you don't know If you're notthere.
Supposition Readers should beaware that this is not an honest
or balanced restating of events.
Hmm, restating of events, hmm.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Restating of events.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Right, but how can you write that if you're just a
reader?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Maybe they're a precognition.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Right, yeah, version of the quote-unquote truth that
can conveniently cast the authoras the hero or the victim in
every scenario.
Right, I have been so goodabout not leaning on any
(34:35):
information as to who what,where, how, what they used to do
anything of nature to protectthem.
for why, I'm not really sure.
What's especially disturbing ishow confident.
Now how does a narcissist, ifyou're not a narcissist, how do
you say that?
What is especially disturbingis how confident she writes
(34:56):
about the lives, identities andstruggles of other people, as if
she knows the whole story.
She doesn't Not even close.
How can a reader confidentlyput that in there?
How can you write that right?
And then says I spin a complexprivate matter into a shallow
(35:19):
plot to stir sympathy, outrageor attention without getting the
consent from the individualsthat she's writing like.
When you as an author, not me,because I've never done it, if I
(35:39):
was going to write aboutjeffrey donward before he died.
Do you think I would go and,like you know, yes, I would,
because I would be using hisname his story.
I would be saying you know, thisis a serial killer who did the
unthinkable, and you're talkingabout specific stories and true
geographic locations.
I didn't mention mates, Ididn't mention geographics,
(36:00):
right?
So in that aspect, I mean to me, like I said, we've known about
this for a minute and we didn'twant to talk about it until now
, but it's, it's kind of likeyou read this and it's like why
don't you just come on here andsay she'll get one side of the
story.
Wait, hold on.
That is in there.
Never mind, that is in therethat I only get one side of the
story.
Um, now here's this everyonehas a right to tell their story,
(36:24):
but not by hijacking someoneelse's.
Now, if you're thinking aboutreading this, do so with caution
.
You're not getting the wholetruth.
You're getting one perspectiveincomplete, inflated and lacking
any accountability.
How is it you don't haveaccountability if all the book
is is proof?
I?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
mean.
So what you didn't hear inthere is hey, this book is a lie
, it's all a lie.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
No, what you heard was.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
It's coming out, but this is a lie.
What you heard was a recountingof life events, so therefore
there are many and this is atrue account, but from her
perspective, right, right.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, and now that you have an even deeper insight,
you know cause both sides ofour, our family, as you stated
in the beginning, arenarcissists.
But, like they told you, thatthey only tried to call once and
you have been a god-sent fatherper faith, and I know because
(37:31):
you told me how angry that madeyou because that's a poor ass
excuse.
How do you only make one phonecall and you?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
the number was wrong, but you don't make any other
effort.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You know I mean you love and adore faith and you are
amazing as a father.
But to see an actual fathermake that statement is dumb.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I can't understand that.
That you know.
I know I'm a black sheep frommy my mother and my father, um,
but I could not make thatstatement about our other two
kids, even though our other twokids have kind of disassociated
themselves from us, you know,due to whatever you know even
(38:21):
when they were around not oncehave we ever talked about, about
their mother?
We never talked about her infront of them we always
supported every one of them.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I mean, at one point you know the baby because she's
the wanted to move in and haveme homeschool her.
She wanted to be here full time.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I'd be damned if we knew, as England, that one of
them was her.
We would be in a great hospitaluntil we found them.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's how we were with your dad.
We found out all night he hadno air conditioning.
We dropped everything and wentstraight down the gill, no
questions asked.
Right, we drove down, droveback.
It was like 10 hours of drivingnonstop.
You know, faith, in the middleof the night, was in the
backseat.
We went down there and pickedhim up and brought him up, and
that's just what you're supposedto do right.
(39:10):
But then, like now, all of thetime.
You know he's.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You know, it's just more confirmation that, hey, I'm
admitting I'm a narcissistbecause I can't handle the
accountability, right.
Right, I'm going to put theauthor in the bad limelight,
saying that this is all farce,it's all one-sided.
It may be life events, but it'sone-sided.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Uh, I'm not denying it, I'm just saying I'm not
taking accountability, I'm nottaking responsibility for this
right and the reason that I keptso much proof, unlike I did
with my my idiot ex was becausegrowing up and always wondering
what you've done wrong and anyblack sheep, any scapegoat they
get this.
They understand completely.
But when you're growing up,it's nothing you do is good
(40:04):
enough and everything isquestioned.
You start to like get proof toremind yourself that it's not
you right, it's not me, like,for instance, one of the women
that was involved in this storyhappened to be my physical
therapist on my arm, right, youcouldn't make this shit up.
(40:26):
You could not make it up, right,it's not, and this is the one
that went out of town and cameup to out of town with us.
Well, instead of protecting hisbiological daughter, he starts
warning her that I was seekingcounsel at one point in time and
was telling her and I wasgetting the text messages about
(40:49):
it.
Like I'm being shown these textmessages and you can't make
that up.
So how do you stir that to befor you and then to have my own
father say, hey, well, I wonderif you make money if you lost
your whore, I mean, there's noamount of money that would fix
that.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
What money do you make now from?
Speaker 2 (41:09):
I have made no money because there was no lawsuit, it
was not pursued, but you know,I was told I wasn't allowed to
touch her or do anything or orget her in trouble, and these
were all things that we haddocumented.
the only reason I had themdocumented, you know, was
because and I was told blatantlythat if I ever brought this to
(41:32):
public life that he would makesure everybody knew that I made
him do this.
He was miserable Babe, and inthe book because I don't have
the exact count, give me anestimate of how many different
women there are pictures of himwith dining out in a
intimate-ish setting.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I'd say gosh, it's been a year now since that book,
four of six, and there's atleast 12.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah so and it's not just.
You know, like when we go outwith friends and they're sitting
across from us, they're sittingside by side, they're feeding
him, they're wiping his mouth,you know whatever.
And you know, when we saw this,my husband looked at me and was
like I guess you're out thewill.
And you know, we joked about itbecause I know I've been out of
(42:23):
the will for ever today, and youknow one of the reasons not
that there is not a countlessamount of them why I fell in
love with my husband all overagain is because my husband
actually told my biologicalfather that the only thing he
wanted that he had was myselfand faith.
He didn't want anything else.
He didn't want money, he didn'twant anything now.
(42:45):
I didn't want it.
I would have loved to have hadmy grandparents belongings
because I would like to passthem down, um, and have faith,
have them.
But I never counted on Any ofthe inheritance From all of the
money and you know the house andcars and RV and everything
(43:05):
that's paid for and you know wehadn't seen them in years.
And we saw them and the firstthing was oh, come look at my
new Luxury foreign RV.
No, the first thing was oh,come look at my new luxury
foreign RV.
No, I'm trying not to give anytitles away.
The luxury foreign four-doorsedan.
That was just purchased.
(43:30):
And oh, you've got to get inside, you've got to look at it.
It doesn't impress me, I don'tcare.
No, you have to go look at itinside.
No, come on try it, go look atit inside.
Or you have to go look at itinside.
No, you have to.
No, come on try it, go look atit inside.
Or oh, let's look at my new RV.
Do you know what this thinggoes for?
Okay, I don't care.
No, you have to go look at itinside.
I'm not going inside of it.
You know these were things.
And then, just like that, whatreally is is that you have Faith
(43:50):
, who is just the sweet, lovingyoung lady ever.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
She's a very deep romantic girl.
Oh yes, she's got a romanticside that comes out in her
poetry.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Well, here, hold on.
Tell me, as a parent, that whatmakes no sense to me is that
the biologicals stated to herbiologicals stated to her
biological father stated to herthat you know, he wanted to put
the past behind.
He let it put the past back Iremember that, and then her
(44:29):
birthday came and went.
No message, no happy birthdayno, nothing.
And then again.
No happy birthday, no, nothing.
And then again giving her thesilent treatment.
After everything that beautifulyoung lady has been through,
you know he used to use her asan excuse for other women to be
around and spend more time with,and you know I used to be the
(44:50):
only child of all the you know,three of us.
I was the only one that evertook care and covered for him,
and that's because I was a blacksheep right.
He has no relationship witheither child, which now he kind
of does with my older stepsister, and that's because he needs
help with his wife and but hegoes behind her back and talks
(45:13):
about.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
You know, I don, I don't want to move up there, but
I do because I want to buy ayacht and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
And then I asked him do they know you're speaking to
us?
And he was like no.
And then he's talking about you.
Know my brother?
He got married and you know thatmy stepsister's son was
throwing up at the venue and shescreams and yells at him in you
(45:41):
and um, she screams and yellsat him and that the wedding was
done by um, my step-sister'solder son.
He became an ordained ministerand did this.
I mean, how would I know any ofthis?
He didn't tell me, right, hehas no relationship with his son
really either either.
And oh, he did tell me that youknow the groom, um, that he
married who?
I said I don't care, as long ashe treats him right and he's
happy.
It's all I care about.
And instead of saying anything,he goes oh they're going on a
(46:03):
cruise at the end of the yearfor their anniversary, and his
family wouldn't show up becausethey didn't want him getting
married.
He's an older guy, so there's adaddy complex in there
somewhere.
I mean just, you can't be happy, you cannot be happy, and
that's just it.
And then you all of a suddenstop talking about this you stop
(46:24):
talking to your kid and youstop talking to your grandchild
again.
Right, I didn't reach out toyou.
You reached out to my husband,and that's the thing is.
We have a drama, trauma-freelife and we love it, and my
husband's laughing because wehaven't addressed this till now,
like we normally talk aboutnarcissism and the abuse and
everything, but this is more uhfocused, if you will, and what
(46:48):
really got me and my husband issitting here laughing and I
wonder if he thought I was goingto actually do this.
but we sat across from him andhe I said, why don't?
And I said, why don't you comeon the show?
Why don't you come on the showand let's talk?
And he, honest to God handed mytell me if I'm wrong, said what
are we talking about, Right,what?
(47:10):
And I was like why don't youcome on and talk about what it's
like for your biologicaldaughter to have endured the
abuse to which I went through?
What it's like for you?
And he was like why would I dothat?
Speaker 1 (47:25):
why not?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
and then he wanted to know how many people listen,
how many millions of peoplelisten.
And then he was like becauseI've never talked about his
profession and what he used todo and I never, you know.
But this man would jump infront of a camera in a New York
second to get you know in frontof people.
And he had that monstrosity ofI want power and control and
(47:46):
money and that's the perceptionI want everybody to have with me
.
You know, blah, blah, blah.
And I said no, you really shouldcome on, you really should come
on, you should come on, youreally should come on, you
should come on to the show.
And then he's like why don'tyou let your mother come on?
I'm asking you.
And then she goes do youremember what she said?
I, you don't want me to come onthe show because you don't like
what I have to say, because Iwouldn't have stayed and no man
(48:10):
would have ever put his hands onme.
I would have never allowed it.
Nothing would have neverallowed it, nothing would have
ever happened.
You stayed, your choice, right.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
So I was like no, so I kept asking you know, do you
want to come on the show?
We talk about whatever you wantand that's no filter no filter.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
And at first he's like, yeah, I'll do it, I'll do
it.
And then he goes no, I'm notgoing to do it till we have a
conversation.
And I was like what do we haveto?
and he was like, no, we're goingto have a conversation about
why you went to your mother andshowed her all these pictures
back years ago.
I wanted her to know who youwere right, I shouldn't have to
carry the burden of your liesand deceive.
(48:48):
I shouldn't, and I knew when Idid what it would do so.
So, with that being said, heasked again to have the
conversation and I said no.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
I have nothing to conversate with him about.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
I'm not going to um again apologize for his actions,
because that is so typical inthe narcissistic relationship.
Um, where I used to do it, doit sorry.
My husband is opening a drink.
Uh, canada, drive um.
I used to always takeresponsibility for his actions
(49:27):
because that's how he trained me.
He trained me to be accountablefor his wrongdoings.
Right, that's what a narcissistdoes.
So we sat there.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Let's see how good my husband's memory is and I was
like no, you need to come on.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Well, when he said fine, I'll do it, I handed him a
release, a liability release,which I give.
We give to everybody who comeson the show right.
Every single person comes on theshow gets that release and in
that release I did correct andadd the stimulation stipulation.
There's my bad speech for himcoming up a stipulation to it
(50:05):
where he, uh, you know, allowsany and all, just like all
waivers are done, and it's beenchecked by a judge, it's been
checked by a lawyer that youknow we use it.
I told him that we would givehim another name.
We wouldn't go by his real nameif he didn't want.
It would be audio, not video,and that you know.
I told him what his name wouldbe, which happened to be the
(50:26):
character in the book, right,and had he read it, which was
his choice, he would have known,but he didn't, and it's in
there that you know.
We could use whatever we wantto promote and discuss, and I
even put a logo together withthe Liberty Justice.
That's right, you know togetherof the two of us going to have
(50:49):
this podcast.
He signed a waiver, Babe.
He signed a waiver.
You watched him sign the waiverReleasing any and all liability
.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
It wasn't for a few days later.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Right, but he released any and all
responsibility and liability foranything having to do with who
we are, what we do or anythingin between, and that includes
the book, everything it's allover there.
So he signed it it.
I said do you want a copy of it?
no, no, then I guess he startedlistening because he wanted to
(51:26):
know what our podcast was about,and what I don't like that I'm
doing right now for the firsttime is I'm giving him this much
attention, but it's the factthat it's our third anniversary
of amputation which is kind ofironic.
We haven't talked about thisbecause it didn't feel the fire
to me to, but it's just aneye-opening experience for the
black sheep and the scapegoatthat you know they get away with
(51:49):
everything, but at some pointin time do they really, and it
might take an hour a week, amonth, a decade, whatever.
I have been in therapy fordecades and it took me into my
40s to realize that I was ablack sheep in a nice state coat
been pointed out when you readthis it of what it does and
(52:20):
doesn't do um it's kind ofcomical at this point, but I've
never wished anything but thebest for them.
You know I don't want the dramaand trauma.
I'm not going to allow anyoneto hurt our kid.
You know, um, she's asprotective of us as we are of
her and you know, the thing isis that I even, I even spoke to
an attorney prior to doing thisbook and the attorney was very
(52:41):
adamant that said, look, you arebeing way above and beyond in
protection of their identitiesand if anyone ever wanted to
dispute it, they would have toshow how you were lying about it
.
And then you have the right toshow how you work and you could
redact all of the redaction andthen you could publicly show
(53:04):
everything right.
And I was like, but I don't dothat and it was just kind of a
come to fruition thing.
And then when you said thatbasically the same thing earlier
I was was like well, okay, youknow, it's just it's.
Why can't people just life's tooshort, why can't you just allow
(53:30):
yourself to be happy and getyour shit out of other?
Speaker 1 (53:33):
people's business.
I mean, what message would youlike to end with?
Well, you didn't write thisbook to slander and belittle and
desecrate someone's name.
I didn't.
You wrote it as a fact-basedthing that is happening in
people's lives and this is howmanipulative they can be, how
(53:54):
controlling they can be, and toshow people, hey, this is what I
did, this is what I gathered,and you know, now I've released
this and I've got it off mychest.
You know I presented theinformation to those involved
and you know I sleep better.
(54:15):
You know.
So, yeah, to those involved.
And I, you know I sleep better,you know.
So, yeah, I love you I love you.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
And what would you say to someone who tried to like
?
Speaker 1 (54:26):
well, come in between us.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Hit the road, jack come on, you know back in the
day my husband was the mostprotective, defensive it.
He was so sexy Well.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
I would tell you about someone I met today.
Do that.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
But I'm just saying it was so defensive and sexy and
just protective.
But I mean, I know that ifsomebody go ahead and try to do
anything to hurt me.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
No nothing's coming between you and I, or that
little girl, except for yourdoll, my hair is your dog stuck
though y'all man her, herservice dog stuck though my boy,
that's my baby gets up there inthe bed with us at night and I
will lean over and try to kissmy wife goodnight and he will
(55:17):
put all four balls up against me, exclusively away from my own
life.
I know I'm not the only one outthere that's got a dog like
that.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
Well, we have both dogs in the bed, but he'll
actually come up and put hishead on my pillow and then he
puts his paw on my heart andyou're spooning me from behind
and like if my husband's hand isover my head, sucka will start
nudging it.
Or like if my husband is, youknow, if I'm sitting on the bed
talking to my husband, at theend of the day he jumps up, and
(55:52):
if my husband comes over and hekisses me, he'll push him away.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
He's a jealous dog, he is not, it's my baby.
Yeah, he's something alright.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
He's my baby.
Thank y'all for listening.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Be sure to get those books off Amazon.
Who Kicked First?
And Nard Nard, who's there?
By Victoria Curie.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
And one last little thing and I hope you add to this
and if you read it, don'tcomment.
That's you.
Read it, don't comment.
And that's not what I was goingto say, and I hope you add to
this If you are the black sheepof the scapegoat, as we both are
, do not allow someone who ismiserable because misery loves
company.
(56:29):
Don't allow a narcissist whocannot accept and or take
responsibility for their ownactions continue to tear you
down.
I know it is so much easier saidthan done, I know it, and even
when you're not, right front andcenter, they're still gonna try
, but when that's the case, justremember who you are.
Brush yourself off dustyourself off and say yeah, I'm
(56:51):
better than that and it's notthat easy, but it's a good
starting point.
Anything you want to say toAbinette, that's it.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Good night y'all.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
My husband wants to go to bed.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yes, take my wife and let her know.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
Oh, I don't think so.
Thank y'all.
Howdy y'all.
Welcome to a special edition ofRage from a contagious smile
post-Victoria.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
No, no, I don't think that's accurate or correct at
all.
We're just doing a specialedition podcast because today is
my FU anniversary.
Fu anniversary I got thepleasure of interviewing Tyron
Jackson, who has become a friend, and he has such an amazing,
motivational and heartbreakingstory which you guys will hear
(00:34):
when it releases soon.
He is a brother as amputee anda motivational speaker.
Nice, nice guy.
We were talking about that.
Today is my three years ofbeing an amputee and he and it
was an amputee anniversary orhappy amputee anniversary,
whatever three years and we weretalking about what it's like to
(00:58):
really get through it andpeople don't get it unless they
have become an amputeT right.
Nobody understands that.
So we were talking about thatand we were talking about the
release of.
Dear Silence you Lost.
We Get the Last Word, and thatwill be on ebook and paperback.
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As we celebrate See, we'recelebrating, we got bells and
whistles the release of thisinternational what would you
call it, babe?
It's an international gatheringof survivors.
That is just amazing, and I amso honored that these wonderful
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human beings trusted me withtheir stories and allowed me to
tell the world of their show,the world, their bravery, and
the sacrifice and the survivalto which every single one of
them have.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So y'all get on Amazon and get this book.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well, hold on.
It wasn't supposed to bereleased until October 1st, but
the e-book is live as of todayand the paperback is still in
approval.
But it will be out shortly andall proceeds go to offering
scholarships to those that needthat, so we can provide that
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comfort and health and healingwithout a price tag, because you
shouldn't have to pay to betteryourself and to get through
tough times.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
The name of the book is Dear Silence you Lost,
compiled by Victoria Curie,written by hundreds.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Okay, these are their actual stories.
These are their what would youcall it Heroic escapes.
Maybe they're traumaticnightmares.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
This is their voice.
Excuse me, this is their voice,they and I and you, because
you're in it.
You actually submitted a letterin this is a voice for the
voiceless.
We were basically likeintroverted within ourselves,
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going through, whether it'semotional.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Physical, verbal, emotional sexual.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It's all in there and this is their like taking the
tape off.
This is them using their voiceand stating hey, guess what?
We survived and this is how wedid it.
This is our story.
So, yeah, it's it's.
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It's an honor, but was a very,very challenging thing to do,
because when you read whateverybody went through, it's a
lot, it's very challenging.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So if you don't have Kindle, put it in your wish list
and be able to look out for it.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
For paperback.
Yes, yes.
So let's talk about black sheep.
Let's talk about black sheep.
Let's talk about the blacksheep of family.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Well, that would be you, that would be me, that
would be how many others, somany.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
What do you think it's like?
Well, first of all, one of thevery first things I've ever
learned and I know, you learnedand know, but I learned even
from studying and courses andthings like that is that, and I
learned firsthand from lifeitself is that narcissists
cannot accept or claimresponsibility for their actions
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, no matter what it is, if it isnot making them look better or
putting themselves out there ina positive way they care more
about the public's perception ofthem than what they do behind
closed doors.
They will never acceptaccountability for their actions
, right?
(05:01):
So as funny as that is and Idon't mean it comically and as
black sheep you know we all knowthat I survived horrific
domestic violence.
Any domestic violence ishorrific right, but I have had
well over 100 surgeries and Ihave still now made my reason
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for life beside my husband andchild to help others and for 20
years.
That's what I've done.
I have advocated and stood withstood for and helped survivors
of domestic violence, specialneeds children and never taken a
check for it.
This is something that I havedone because I believe in it so
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strongly.
My husband believes in it sostrongly my daughter believes in
it so strongly.
And so in the beginning, forwho kicked first?
I, which is your memoir?
That is a that is a memoir, andI was literally being
interrogated by any and everyone, and so I started to take notes
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.
Faith was in a medical injurycoma, so we couldn't stimulate
her.
But I sat beside her and talkedto her and told her stories and
saying to her but I literallytook my laptop and just started
writing and writing and writing.
I literally took my laptop andjust started writing and writing
and writing, because whenyou're being interrogated, you
know I'm sorry and I totallydon't agree with our system.
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But the thing is is that theperson who did the crime is not
getting interrogated, the and Ihate the word victim, I think
it's so inappropriate.
We are interrogated.
I always ask well, who brokeyour nose?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Where were they?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Who was around?
What time of day was it?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
What was?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
the weather like what was he wearing?
What were you wearing?
When you're getting your noseshattered open, I promise you
that you are not looking at yoursurrounding environment.
You're not looking at who is it?
Nine o'clock.
Who's at three six, 11.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You're not looking at any of that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I'm sitting in my vehicle.
I'm on a military installationand I'm getting my face smashed
open, that I can tell you.
Well, what day of the week wasit?
What day of time of the day wasit?
What were they wearing?
Well, obviously it was ayouthful who was standing around
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around.
I don't know.
They all look like little gidope figures, right.
So it's like constant, and itwas like we have to not prove
our like our innocently to proveour truth.
Well, I've always said from dayone you don't have non-cosmetic
surgery for things that aren'tbroken, right.
You're not going to go to thehospital have your nose set if
it's not broken, they're notgoing to do it.
You're not gonna have atitanium face if your jaws are
shattered beyond repair and youhave multiple surgeries to get
there, right.
You're not gonna lose yourhearing and require hearing aids
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and have actual hearing teststhat show hearing loss due to
trauma if you don't have itright.
So this is all cut in your eye.
There it is.
So the one thing aboutnarcissism is that they never
can hold themselves accountablefor their actions.
Okay, and one of the mainthings that narcissists love is
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the sense of truth.
They think it is like the bestanalogy I can do is like a
little kid stomping their feet,not getting their way, and
they're like oh, you're notlistening to me, you know it's
not, it's all it's supposed to,be all about me so to hell with
you.
Oh, stomping my feet, oh, oh, oh, turn around, walk off and stop
talking to you until you needsomething again, and until that
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time comes, they have nothingfor you or to do with you.
Because here's the thing thing,and I can't wait to hear your
thought on this the narcissistbiggest threat is the black
sheep, because the golden childis so I don't know what you want
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to say like taken care of thatit's like the sheep, the wool is
pulled over their eyes.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Right they have on blinders.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Blinders they have on .
What do they call them like?
The rose colored glasses, right?
So with the black sheep?
A narcissist spends their lifelike belittling the black sheep,
tearing them down.
Nothing is ever good enough.
You know, like in my situation.
I wrote a book and I heard ohwell, your brother wrote a term
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paper or a thesis or you knowwhatever.
Okay, great, good for him.
Nowhere, anywhere can anyonesay.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I've ever said anything bad about my brother.
Do we have a relationship?
No, why?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Because narcissistic parents separate the siblings
out of fear that they'll cometogether and go against the
parents right Now.
I've always said from day oneand I appreciate the fact that
my biological parents did allowus to be there for refuge after
my, our daughter, was born, andthat would be months and months
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after they met her for the veryfirst time.
They didn't even meet her untilshe was well over three months
of age, but geographically, fromtheir front door to the door of
the hospital was less than 1.5miles.
Right, less than 1.5 miles.
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So if there was no traffic,three minutes, right, seriously.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Is that right or wrong?
Yeah, from what I rememberwhere they live, right.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So I appreciate the refuge.
I do.
I appreciate that they let us.
They did not have to.
I've always said that, but thatdoesn't mean that that gives
the right to do some things.
Always said that, but thatdoesn't mean that that gives the
right to do some things thatwere done.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
And I've always said I'm not innocent.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I'm sure I've done bad things.
I admit that I've done badthings.
I made a deal with the devilthat I wouldn't hit him back if
he didn't hit my stomach right.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
These are things that .
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I openly admit to so.
Needless to say, so many peopleask me over the years how did
you get to where?
You were comfortable withsomeone like your ex Right, and
it was after years and decades,really, of being on a therapist
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couch.
I was in therapy in elementaryand middle and high school
constantly.
It was consistent.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I've always been on the couch, because I never
understood why I was in themonth.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Why could I not have a dad that would say I love you?
Why could I not have a dad thatsaid he's proud of me, or?
You know, I was always tryingto get him to even want to be
around me, and, and when I waslittle, I would go on motorcycle
rides with him, I would want todo stuff with him, right.
But then everything changed andI went 10 years without speaking
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to him, and the thing is that Igot into careers to have
something in common with himwhich I wanted nothing to do
with, but I did it because Ialways wanted his approval.
I always wanted him to say I'mproud of you, which I didn't
hear, and I, like, constantlywanted to hear this.
(12:37):
I never heard it, and the thingis that I had the influence of
my grandparents which meant theworld to me and I was willing to
emulate what they had.
And, yes, I went through in myearly 20s whatever relationships
Because I, literally I wasn'tspeaking to my biological
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parents.
And I spent that time hiding,literally, literally, because I
wanted nothing to do with them.
And in the beginning of thattime I met my soulmate, who's
sitting here in front of me, andwe spent four and a half
beautiful years together, andpart of that time I did see my
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biological parents and theyeverybody knew who my soulmate
was because I held them in sucha high regard and I was
traveling with work and blah,blah, blah Anyway.
So I never got that touch of youknow we're proud of you or what
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you've accomplished.
It's all like oh, you got thisjob, how much money do you make?
Why are you living alone.
Why are you doing this?
You know I would get.
Why don't you just put yourname?
On a bus stop, because that'sthe kind of white trash that you
are and that's the kind ofwhite trash that you have in
your life as relationships.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
This is what I would hear constantly.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I would hear you know about my scars.
Men aren't going to find themattractive.
Men aren't going to find youattractive.
Things that were just You'reeffing hot, but just things that
you would never say.
I would never say these thingsto Faith Ever in my life.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Don't mind telling her all the time, every day.
I'm proud of her.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
She's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
And I love her.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And we broke the chains.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
We both did because we were not going to be like
that.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And see here's.
The thing Is that I wrote thisbook and our kids there.
And the thing is that the bookand my husband has read it and
my husband knows he can saywhatever and I support him
whether we agree on it or not,because that's why you have
opinions.
Everything in that book isbacked by evidence, right
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Everything, and it'soverwhelming.
Like it took me a long timebecause it was do.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I want to put that in there.
Do I want to put this in there?
Do I want to take?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
that out.
You know how far do.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I want to go with this, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Because there was probably another thousand pieces
of evidence pictures andwhatever that I kept, that I
didn't include and I did notwant to slam my brother, but I
wanted him to know.
I was hoping that if he everread this book it would be
eye-opening for him because hewould really learn more about
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who they really were.
But he was never going tobelieve me because he only heard
what he got from them.
He had no relationship with ourbiological father and you know
they would show me things abouthow he would get upset with.
You know this is that manner.
But you know my husband hasknown me for the longest time.
I've never said anything abouthim other than I'm glad he's
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happy and that he deserves to behappy.
I have said that I truly wish hewould get away from her, his
mom, because she made it wherehe couldn't do anything without
her, and that's not on him,that's on her right.
So anyway, needless say, it wasprobably a couple months ago
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that my biological fatherapproached my husband.
And I'm so careful abouteverything.
I've never said names oranything of that nature for
multiple reasons.
And he approached my husbandand it wasn't really.
It was kind of shocking becauseeverybody knows that faith was
(16:27):
in the hospital we almost losther right and I mean we're not
talking about like a caraccident, god forbid anything
like that.
She was in full multi-organfailure.
They told us call a priest,call your husband she's not
going to get through the night.
Then they said we'll keep hercomfortable and let her pass.
Natural, we didn't leave herside for months.
Right, she had dozens ofsurgeries bedside.
(16:50):
We know, for a fact that bothof our families knew hands down.
We knew, both sides knew aboutthis and no one called from your
side of the family and we heardlater on that my biological
father attempted to call onceonce, one time.
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No voicemail, no, nothing.
Here's the thing.
I got the wrong number.
That's what we were told.
We got the wrong number.
Now he runs into my husbandother owner now he runs into my
husband and like he sees himmaybe once a month, maybe every
couple months, something likethat.
He'd saw him during this period.
Not once did he say hey comehere.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Can I talk to you?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
what's going on with this?
How's she doing what?
Do y'all need nothing.
We've been at the samechildren's hospital from birth.
Right, this is where her teamis.
That's where all her doctorsare everybody knows that his
answer was we didn't know wherehe were right.
That's a load of shit, so heapproaches my husband and goes
into this long dissertationwhich I guess that's where I get
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it from and talks about howhard things are now because his
wife is sick and how horrible itis, because no one understands
how hard it is to take care ofsomeone with special needs.
Right, and what do I do Firsttime?
I reach out and I call him.
What you tried to call.
(18:20):
What, when Not true?
You know he could have gotten amessage to us he didn't.
I lately said had you, and yousaid to your family anybody who
reached out to us while this wasgoing on in the faith we would
have absolutely put things asideand said if you want to see her
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, talk to her.
Whatever, we had our hands fulland we only have three.
We only have three hands.
We had support from ourlisteners and our followers.
So we had people, you know,offering to pay for our parking
and and helped us with somegofundme.
They paid for some meals, withpeople sending meals up there.
(19:02):
You know, like Whitney, who isamazing, she, she sent money for
food and for parking and andthings like that, and I will
forever, we will forever begrateful to her for all of that
and our own both sides, no right.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So, needless to say, with all this and we're about to
release this other dear silencebook and you know the way
people talk and whatever myhusband is just eating at the
day here.
Just go ahead and interrupt meand say whatever you want to say
come on no good no, go ahead,please.
(19:41):
Well, let's not forget while wewere there in a hospital for the
two and a half months before wewere transferred to another
hospital for another month notleaving her bedside that we were
able to bless a young man witha refrigerator?
Yes, you recall that I did, andI know that's an odd thing, but
the the he had some misfortuneupon him his wife got injured
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and he worked at the hospitaland he did not.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
He wasn't a doctor or a medical professional.
He he worked in the foodservices and he always kept
extra for us because we wouldn'tcome down yeah, we didn't leave
her bedside y'all and so myhusband didn't work for the
first several weeks, but thenwent back um and was going back
and forth, back and forth, andhe met this gentleman who they
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started job jacking my husbandjob jacks with everybody and
found out that they had lostalmost everything and we had an
extra refrigerator.
Here we are going through allthis and and he went.
My husband went home, got therefrigerator when he went back
home the next time and broughtit back to this guy.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Right, that's.
You know.
We had a lot of people you knowsupport us, yeah, so I want to
say you know we paid it forward.
Right, we all paid it forward.
You know we're not looking forglory, we're not looking to make
millions.
You know we're not looking forglory, we're not looking to make
millions.
You know, lord knows, we're notmillionaires Not us in real
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life actually read the book andhave commented on the book and
got other people to comment onthe book.
So most of y'all listeners outthere have heard or seen the
videos about Philly Carry andthe baseball.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
One of the players hit a home run, went up in the
stands and the dad was there atthe game celebrating his son's
birthday.
He went over there and he gotthe ball and gave it to his son
as a birthday present.
Karen, which the fans named.
She, is now infamous.
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She came over and nagged thefather so much said, it was her
destiny to keep that ball and hegave it to her.
He took it away from his kid.
No, he gave it so that one heprobably wouldn't have to listen
to her mouth anymore.
Two, he's there for him.
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He's there for his son.
He didn't want this woman toruin his birthday.
So, and then you see whatbecame that.
The baseball team got togetherand gave that kid so many gifts
and stuff, had him down, youknow, in the dugout, or you know
, with the players, Got anautographed baseball bat, Got so
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many things.
Oh yeah, you got to look at it.
So now this woman is infamous.
Is that how Karen came about?
Oh no, this is no.
Yeah, Karen goes back a year ortwo, Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
So I don't know where I was going with that, but you
know, we try to do good things.
And like we've started thisacademy right and we don't take
away that people get expert, youknow, medical, professional,
psychological assistance andanyway, this is trauma-based.
We've won five awards for whatwe have created.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
We are the first trauma-informed transformative
network academy for specialneeds and survivors of abuse
right these aren't awards thatare just like you know
publishers clearing house youknow, the thing is that you've
never seen.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
My husband will tell you I have never been someone
who's like oh, I can't meet metoday because I'm hurting and
I'm just gonna go feel sorry formyself.
I've never done that right,just my husband's not not been
there.
I've never done that you havenot and I've never you know my
husband gets on my butt aboutthe fact that, like I don't
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boast about myself, we won anaward.
I won an award for bestadvocate domestic violence
advocate internationally for2025.
And I'm like, okay, that's notme, it's the people I get to
talk to.
You know our ratings.
We're a top global podcast.
That's not me, it's the peopleI get to talk to.
You know our ratings, we're atop global podcast.
And it's not us, it's ourlisteners.
It's because people believe inwhat we have to say and they're
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supportive of it.
Right?
So, with that being said, evenafter all, this time I'm you
know, and I'm not doing this fora pity party.
I'm just saying, and you'll seein a second, I've lost my
hearing.
My face is all metal.
I can't even go through a metaldetector.
My shoulders replaced.
I have had over 100 surgeriesthat's not an exaggeration,
(24:52):
right?
And so I have metal everywhere.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I have scars everywhere and then I get
comments like well, you couldjust take a sharpie marker and
play.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Connect the dots to all your scars.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You'll be busy for weeks.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
and this is from my biological father right.
Who in the same shit would saythat to their kids?
Hi, damn surely Hi, Rusty Bear,Face service dog Rusty, our
Rusty Bear has just come up andgiven love and hi baby.
So with all the metal in myface, and my amputation and
everything else that I've gotgoing on.
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I have a major major surgeryFriday where I am going to be
completely deaf in one side,Like not even able to hear
vibration.
I'm 88% deaf in the other ear,but here I am still podcasting.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I just finished podcasting with Tyron tonight.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
We've just been all day today launching and getting
the e-book and the paperbackbook ready.
I've written a master class andtwo other courses and survival
kit.
All which the survival kit, themasterclass and two other ones
are free right.
We're not trying to get richerin this.
We're trying to pay it forwardand help others Right.
So with all of that and wedon't want the notoriety and the
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recognition- we want to be ableto help.
We learned before that there wassome pretty derogatory negative
comments made about the nartnart book which, when you read
them, babe, when you read them,it is so obvious.
If somebody said to me,victoria, read this and tell me
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your thoughts.
First thing, when you read it,it clearly states that the
person who read it is somebodyin the book.
There is not a doubt.
Right Because it's like oh,you're only writing one side of
the story and it's releasingfamily drama.
but never did it say anywherethat it's not accurate.
(26:42):
Nowhere did it say is it false.
And here's the thing the entireDark Earth book does not have
one page without evidence in it.
The book is all evidence.
There might be some words in it,but everything else is proof.
You can't doctor up a textmessage.
If you can, I sure as helldon't know how to do it.
(27:03):
There's photographs, right.
There's text messages.
If you can, I sure as helldon't know how to do it.
There's photographs, right.
There's text messages.
There's emails, there'severything, and then something.
The negative review that cameout was so crystal clear that it
was without question somebodyinvolved in the book.
Without question somebodyinvolved in the book.
(27:24):
And I mean I am not going topoint my one hand fingers and
say it was this person, butwe're going to narrow it down to
two and I know one didn't readit.
So it's pretty obvious.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
So here's the thing for me If you tell me don't read
this book, okay, I'm a typicalguy, I'm going to read the book.
Don't push the button.
I'm going, typical guy, I'mgonna.
I'm gonna read the book.
Don't push the button.
I'm gonna push the button ifyou're gonna sit there and
badmouth, my wife, as the authorof this book.
I want to know why, if I didn'tread this book and I didn't know
what it was about, I don't.
(27:57):
I want to know why.
Why is this getting so muchpublicity, right?
Why is this guy or gal goingout of their way to slander this
author, your wife, my wife,right?
so I want to know about the booknow, so I think it's going to
have the the same effect asphilly kerry did.
(28:20):
It's going to have a positivereflect on you in the book and I
think more people are going toreach a positive reflect on you
and your book and I think morepeople are going to reach out to
get this book.
Well, it's been out there for aminute Right, it's like this is
all new.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
We just it's not new.
We just now decided to talkabout it because it's not that
big of a deal.
But you know, we had so muchother stuff going on that we
just didn't feel the need totalk about it.
But you stuff going on that wejust didn't feel the need to
talk about it.
But you know and you can behonest about and my husband is a
very honest person be honestabout.
Do you think I would exacerbateanything like that?
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That's not even, no, no, youdidn't.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
You didn't embellish anything in there, you didn't
exacerbate anything uh youdidn't blow anything up, you
didn't put anything out ofproportion.
Everything was documented, itcan be proven, it's you know.
Of course the characters arefictitional, but the facts are
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the facts.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well, they're not fictitional in the fact that,
like I changed names to protectwhy?
I'm not, you know, sure, and Iredacted the faces and names.
So like you are protected, right.
If you want to come forward andbe like it's one-sided, then
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you are going to say who you areand then at that point I have
the right to defend my word.
I didn't redact anything, Ihaven't taken redaction off,
right, and that's what I'msaying.
But like just my husband knowsme better than anybody, I gotta
find this and just pull up andread a word of it, because it's
like it's kind of just, it's sookay, go ahead so the, the books
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that you know my wife haswritten, that's got some
controversy, her first one iscalled who kicked first and the
prequel to that is
Speaker 1 (30:17):
nard, nard who's there, and they're both by
victoria cure, so please get onthere and see what we're talking
about tonight.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Well, you've met both of them.
What is your no-holds-barredunedited, unabridged version of
both of them?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I did not know.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I'm talking about.
What do you think of?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
them.
I did not know about them untilI started reading this book.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
No, you knew kind of about them.
Right, there's a lot going onthere.
Yeah, but now that you met themand speak to them, especially
my biological father- I can seeit it's the truth.
You saw them when we wereliving there for a short period
of time too.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I didn't really know no.
But when you read the book yeahum, I mean, the pictures are
worth a thousand words.
How do you explain a picturewhen you're on a weekend getaway
with your daughter and yourgranddaughter and there's
another woman there?
And you're all up in herkool-aid, if you will, sitting
(31:27):
beside her canoodling, or okay,you sat beside her.
Whatever, I was told that thiswas going to be spun on me that
I made her show up that I madeher hang out with him, that I
made him grow her, whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But here's the thing, right you made him feed her
food, that was a different woman.
Oh.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
There's been so many.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Did I bring?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
that up and it's never.
He never goes out with theseother women unless my biological
mother was out with either herson or she was babysitting the
other kids, which she has noinvolvement in.
But he wouldn't have all theseother women.
Well, I have text messages thatare in the book where he
messaged me at like 11 I don'tremember.
(32:08):
What are you looking for, um?
I was.
It was like 11 something atnight, where he is telling me
that he is still in the movietheater with this other woman
and how much fun she is andhe'll be back to the hotel soon,
and he even goes so far as totalk about how there is a big
empty bed, right.
(32:28):
So, anyway, we've known aboutthis for a good minute, but we
just decided to bring it up, um,because this is the epitome of
you know the narcissist againstthe black sheep.
The black sheep is the one whoknows the truth, who holds the
truth and will share the truth.
And anybody who has got apsychology, psychiatry,
(32:52):
counselor, therapist, livedthrough it, been there, you know
, been the black sheep, been thescapegoat.
You know for a fact that's howit is with a narcissist.
But when you hear this, it youknow first of all it's done
anonymously, which you know why,but fine.
And then it talks about, likeyou know, certain people that
(33:16):
you've known for a long time.
You know how they dictate theirwords right.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Their words are so you know Right, If I say alright
, alright, alright, you think ofone person.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Right, like you say what and I'm like, yeah, you try
to say what, but so it's aone-sided account packed with
personal stories twisted to fitthe author's narrative, taken
grossly out of context.
Packed with personal storiestwisted to fit the author's
narrative, taken grossly out ofcontext.
How do you grossly take it outof context?
(33:49):
If you don't know If you're notthere.
Supposition Readers should beaware that this is not an honest
or balanced restating of events.
Hmm, restating of events, hmm.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Restating of events.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Right, but how can you write that if you're just a
reader?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Maybe they're a precognition.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Right, yeah, version of the quote-unquote truth that
can conveniently cast the authoras the hero or the victim in
every scenario.
Right, I have been so goodabout not leaning on any
(34:35):
information as to who what,where, how, what they used to do
anything of nature to protectthem.
for why, I'm not really sure.
What's especially disturbing ishow confident.
Now how does a narcissist, ifyou're not a narcissist, how do
you say that?
What is especially disturbingis how confident she writes
(34:56):
about the lives, identities andstruggles of other people, as if
she knows the whole story.
She doesn't Not even close.
How can a reader confidentlyput that in there?
How can you write that right?
And then says I spin a complexprivate matter into a shallow
(35:19):
plot to stir sympathy, outrageor attention without getting the
consent from the individualsthat she's writing like.
When you as an author, not me,because I've never done it, if I
(35:39):
was going to write aboutjeffrey donward before he died.
Do you think I would go and,like you know, yes, I would,
because I would be using hisname his story.
I would be saying you know, thisis a serial killer who did the
unthinkable, and you're talkingabout specific stories and true
geographic locations.
I didn't mention mates, Ididn't mention geographics,
(36:00):
right?
So in that aspect, I mean to me, like I said, we've known about
this for a minute and we didn'twant to talk about it until now
, but it's, it's kind of likeyou read this and it's like why
don't you just come on here andsay she'll get one side of the
story.
Wait, hold on.
That is in there.
Never mind, that is in therethat I only get one side of the
story.
Um, now here's this everyonehas a right to tell their story,
(36:24):
but not by hijacking someoneelse's.
Now, if you're thinking aboutreading this, do so with caution
.
You're not getting the wholetruth.
You're getting one perspectiveincomplete, inflated and lacking
any accountability.
How is it you don't haveaccountability if all the book
is is proof?
I?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
mean.
So what you didn't hear inthere is hey, this book is a lie
, it's all a lie.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
No, what you heard was.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
It's coming out, but this is a lie.
What you heard was a recountingof life events, so therefore
there are many and this is atrue account, but from her
perspective, right, right.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, and now that you have an even deeper insight,
you know cause both sides ofour, our family, as you stated
in the beginning, arenarcissists.
But, like they told you, thatthey only tried to call once and
you have been a god-sent fatherper faith, and I know because
(37:31):
you told me how angry that madeyou because that's a poor ass
excuse.
How do you only make one phonecall and you?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
the number was wrong, but you don't make any other
effort.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You know I mean you love and adore faith and you are
amazing as a father.
But to see an actual fathermake that statement is dumb.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I can't understand that.
That you know.
I know I'm a black sheep frommy my mother and my father, um,
but I could not make thatstatement about our other two
kids, even though our other twokids have kind of disassociated
themselves from us, you know,due to whatever you know even
(38:21):
when they were around not oncehave we ever talked about, about
their mother?
We never talked about her infront of them we always
supported every one of them.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I mean, at one point you know the baby because she's
the wanted to move in and haveme homeschool her.
She wanted to be here full time.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I'd be damned if we knew, as England, that one of
them was her.
We would be in a great hospitaluntil we found them.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's how we were with your dad.
We found out all night he hadno air conditioning.
We dropped everything and wentstraight down the gill, no
questions asked.
Right, we drove down, droveback.
It was like 10 hours of drivingnonstop.
You know, faith, in the middleof the night, was in the
backseat.
We went down there and pickedhim up and brought him up, and
that's just what you're supposedto do right.
(39:10):
But then, like now, all of thetime.
You know he's.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You know, it's just more confirmation that, hey, I'm
admitting I'm a narcissistbecause I can't handle the
accountability, right.
Right, I'm going to put theauthor in the bad limelight,
saying that this is all farce,it's all one-sided.
It may be life events, but it'sone-sided.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Uh, I'm not denying it, I'm just saying I'm not
taking accountability, I'm nottaking responsibility for this
right and the reason that I keptso much proof, unlike I did
with my my idiot ex was becausegrowing up and always wondering
what you've done wrong and anyblack sheep, any scapegoat they
get this.
They understand completely.
But when you're growing up,it's nothing you do is good
(40:04):
enough and everything isquestioned.
You start to like get proof toremind yourself that it's not
you right, it's not me, like,for instance, one of the women
that was involved in this storyhappened to be my physical
therapist on my arm, right, youcouldn't make this shit up.
(40:26):
You could not make it up, right,it's not, and this is the one
that went out of town and cameup to out of town with us.
Well, instead of protecting hisbiological daughter, he starts
warning her that I was seekingcounsel at one point in time and
was telling her and I wasgetting the text messages about
(40:49):
it.
Like I'm being shown these textmessages and you can't make
that up.
So how do you stir that to befor you and then to have my own
father say, hey, well, I wonderif you make money if you lost
your whore, I mean, there's noamount of money that would fix
that.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
What money do you make now from?
Speaker 2 (41:09):
I have made no money because there was no lawsuit, it
was not pursued, but you know,I was told I wasn't allowed to
touch her or do anything or orget her in trouble, and these
were all things that we haddocumented.
the only reason I had themdocumented, you know, was
because and I was told blatantlythat if I ever brought this to
(41:32):
public life that he would makesure everybody knew that I made
him do this.
He was miserable Babe, and inthe book because I don't have
the exact count, give me anestimate of how many different
women there are pictures of himwith dining out in a
intimate-ish setting.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I'd say gosh, it's been a year now since that book,
four of six, and there's atleast 12.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah so and it's not just.
You know, like when we go outwith friends and they're sitting
across from us, they're sittingside by side, they're feeding
him, they're wiping his mouth,you know whatever.
And you know, when we saw this,my husband looked at me and was
like I guess you're out thewill.
And you know, we joked about itbecause I know I've been out of
(42:23):
the will for ever today, and youknow one of the reasons not
that there is not a countlessamount of them why I fell in
love with my husband all overagain is because my husband
actually told my biologicalfather that the only thing he
wanted that he had was myselfand faith.
He didn't want anything else.
He didn't want money, he didn'twant anything now.
(42:45):
I didn't want it.
I would have loved to have hadmy grandparents belongings
because I would like to passthem down, um, and have faith,
have them.
But I never counted on Any ofthe inheritance From all of the
money and you know the house andcars and RV and everything
(43:05):
that's paid for and you know wehadn't seen them in years.
And we saw them and the firstthing was oh, come look at my
new Luxury foreign RV.
No, the first thing was oh,come look at my new luxury
foreign RV.
No, I'm trying not to give anytitles away.
The luxury foreign four-doorsedan.
That was just purchased.
(43:30):
And oh, you've got to get inside, you've got to look at it.
It doesn't impress me, I don'tcare.
No, you have to go look at itinside.
No, come on try it, go look atit inside.
Or you have to go look at itinside.
No, you have to.
No, come on try it, go look atit inside.
Or oh, let's look at my new RV.
Do you know what this thinggoes for?
Okay, I don't care.
No, you have to go look at itinside.
I'm not going inside of it.
You know these were things.
And then, just like that, whatreally is is that you have Faith
(43:50):
, who is just the sweet, lovingyoung lady ever.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
She's a very deep romantic girl.
Oh yes, she's got a romanticside that comes out in her
poetry.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Well, here, hold on.
Tell me, as a parent, that whatmakes no sense to me is that
the biologicals stated to herbiologicals stated to her
biological father stated to herthat you know, he wanted to put
the past behind.
He let it put the past back Iremember that, and then her
(44:29):
birthday came and went.
No message, no happy birthdayno, nothing.
And then again.
No happy birthday, no, nothing.
And then again giving her thesilent treatment.
After everything that beautifulyoung lady has been through,
you know he used to use her asan excuse for other women to be
around and spend more time with,and you know I used to be the
(44:50):
only child of all the you know,three of us.
I was the only one that evertook care and covered for him,
and that's because I was a blacksheep right.
He has no relationship witheither child, which now he kind
of does with my older stepsister, and that's because he needs
help with his wife and but hegoes behind her back and talks
(45:13):
about.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
You know, I don, I don't want to move up there, but
I do because I want to buy ayacht and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
And then I asked him do they know you're speaking to
us?
And he was like no.
And then he's talking about you.
Know my brother?
He got married and you know thatmy stepsister's son was
throwing up at the venue and shescreams and yells at him in you
(45:41):
and um, she screams and yellsat him and that the wedding was
done by um, my step-sister'solder son.
He became an ordained ministerand did this.
I mean, how would I know any ofthis?
He didn't tell me, right, hehas no relationship with his son
really either either.
And oh, he did tell me that youknow the groom, um, that he
married who?
I said I don't care, as long ashe treats him right and he's
happy.
It's all I care about.
And instead of saying anything,he goes oh they're going on a
(46:03):
cruise at the end of the yearfor their anniversary, and his
family wouldn't show up becausethey didn't want him getting
married.
He's an older guy, so there's adaddy complex in there
somewhere.
I mean just, you can't be happy, you cannot be happy, and
that's just it.
And then you all of a suddenstop talking about this you stop
(46:24):
talking to your kid and youstop talking to your grandchild
again.
Right, I didn't reach out toyou.
You reached out to my husband,and that's the thing is.
We have a drama, trauma-freelife and we love it, and my
husband's laughing because wehaven't addressed this till now,
like we normally talk aboutnarcissism and the abuse and
everything, but this is more uhfocused, if you will, and what
(46:48):
really got me and my husband issitting here laughing and I
wonder if he thought I was goingto actually do this.
but we sat across from him andhe I said, why don't?
And I said, why don't you comeon the show?
Why don't you come on the showand let's talk?
And he, honest to God handed mytell me if I'm wrong, said what
are we talking about, Right,what?
(47:10):
And I was like why don't youcome on and talk about what it's
like for your biologicaldaughter to have endured the
abuse to which I went through?
What it's like for you?
And he was like why would I dothat?
Speaker 1 (47:25):
why not?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
and then he wanted to know how many people listen,
how many millions of peoplelisten.
And then he was like becauseI've never talked about his
profession and what he used todo and I never, you know.
But this man would jump infront of a camera in a New York
second to get you know in frontof people.
And he had that monstrosity ofI want power and control and
(47:46):
money and that's the perceptionI want everybody to have with me
.
You know, blah, blah, blah.
And I said no, you really shouldcome on, you really should come
on, you should come on, youreally should come on, you
should come on to the show.
And then he's like why don'tyou let your mother come on?
I'm asking you.
And then she goes do youremember what she said?
I, you don't want me to come onthe show because you don't like
what I have to say, because Iwouldn't have stayed and no man
(48:10):
would have ever put his hands onme.
I would have never allowed it.
Nothing would have neverallowed it, nothing would have
ever happened.
You stayed, your choice, right.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
So I was like no, so I kept asking you know, do you
want to come on the show?
We talk about whatever you wantand that's no filter no filter.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
And at first he's like, yeah, I'll do it, I'll do
it.
And then he goes no, I'm notgoing to do it till we have a
conversation.
And I was like what do we haveto?
and he was like, no, we're goingto have a conversation about
why you went to your mother andshowed her all these pictures
back years ago.
I wanted her to know who youwere right, I shouldn't have to
carry the burden of your liesand deceive.
(48:48):
I shouldn't, and I knew when Idid what it would do so.
So, with that being said, heasked again to have the
conversation and I said no.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
I have nothing to conversate with him about.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
I'm not going to um again apologize for his actions,
because that is so typical inthe narcissistic relationship.
Um, where I used to do it, doit sorry.
My husband is opening a drink.
Uh, canada, drive um.
I used to always takeresponsibility for his actions
(49:27):
because that's how he trained me.
He trained me to be accountablefor his wrongdoings.
Right, that's what a narcissistdoes.
So we sat there.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Let's see how good my husband's memory is and I was
like no, you need to come on.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Well, when he said fine, I'll do it, I handed him a
release, a liability release,which I give.
We give to everybody who comeson the show right.
Every single person comes on theshow gets that release and in
that release I did correct andadd the stimulation stipulation.
There's my bad speech for himcoming up a stipulation to it
(50:05):
where he, uh, you know, allowsany and all, just like all
waivers are done, and it's beenchecked by a judge, it's been
checked by a lawyer that youknow we use it.
I told him that we would givehim another name.
We wouldn't go by his real nameif he didn't want.
It would be audio, not video,and that you know.
I told him what his name wouldbe, which happened to be the
(50:26):
character in the book, right,and had he read it, which was
his choice, he would have known,but he didn't, and it's in
there that you know.
We could use whatever we wantto promote and discuss, and I
even put a logo together withthe Liberty Justice.
That's right, you know togetherof the two of us going to have
(50:49):
this podcast.
He signed a waiver, Babe.
He signed a waiver.
You watched him sign the waiverReleasing any and all liability
.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
It wasn't for a few days later.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Right, but he released any and all
responsibility and liability foranything having to do with who
we are, what we do or anythingin between, and that includes
the book, everything it's allover there.
So he signed it it.
I said do you want a copy of it?
no, no, then I guess he startedlistening because he wanted to
(51:26):
know what our podcast was about,and what I don't like that I'm
doing right now for the firsttime is I'm giving him this much
attention, but it's the factthat it's our third anniversary
of amputation which is kind ofironic.
We haven't talked about thisbecause it didn't feel the fire
to me to, but it's just aneye-opening experience for the
black sheep and the scapegoatthat you know they get away with
(51:49):
everything, but at some pointin time do they really, and it
might take an hour a week, amonth, a decade, whatever.
I have been in therapy fordecades and it took me into my
40s to realize that I was ablack sheep in a nice state coat
been pointed out when you readthis it of what it does and
(52:20):
doesn't do um it's kind ofcomical at this point, but I've
never wished anything but thebest for them.
You know I don't want the dramaand trauma.
I'm not going to allow anyoneto hurt our kid.
You know, um, she's asprotective of us as we are of
her and you know, the thing isis that I even, I even spoke to
an attorney prior to doing thisbook and the attorney was very
(52:41):
adamant that said, look, you arebeing way above and beyond in
protection of their identitiesand if anyone ever wanted to
dispute it, they would have toshow how you were lying about it
.
And then you have the right toshow how you work and you could
redact all of the redaction andthen you could publicly show
(53:04):
everything right.
And I was like, but I don't dothat and it was just kind of a
come to fruition thing.
And then when you said thatbasically the same thing earlier
I was was like well, okay, youknow, it's just it's.
Why can't people just life's tooshort, why can't you just allow
(53:30):
yourself to be happy and getyour shit out of other?
Speaker 1 (53:33):
people's business.
I mean, what message would youlike to end with?
Well, you didn't write thisbook to slander and belittle and
desecrate someone's name.
I didn't.
You wrote it as a fact-basedthing that is happening in
people's lives and this is howmanipulative they can be, how
(53:54):
controlling they can be, and toshow people, hey, this is what I
did, this is what I gathered,and you know, now I've released
this and I've got it off mychest.
You know I presented theinformation to those involved
and you know I sleep better.
(54:15):
You know.
So, yeah, to those involved.
And I, you know I sleep better,you know.
So, yeah, I love you I love you.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
And what would you say to someone who tried to like
?
Speaker 1 (54:26):
well, come in between us.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Hit the road, jack come on, you know back in the
day my husband was the mostprotective, defensive it.
He was so sexy Well.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
I would tell you about someone I met today.
Do that.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
But I'm just saying it was so defensive and sexy and
just protective.
But I mean, I know that ifsomebody go ahead and try to do
anything to hurt me.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
No nothing's coming between you and I, or that
little girl, except for yourdoll, my hair is your dog stuck
though y'all man her, herservice dog stuck though my boy,
that's my baby gets up there inthe bed with us at night and I
will lean over and try to kissmy wife goodnight and he will
(55:17):
put all four balls up against me, exclusively away from my own
life.
I know I'm not the only one outthere that's got a dog like
that.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
Well, we have both dogs in the bed, but he'll
actually come up and put hishead on my pillow and then he
puts his paw on my heart andyou're spooning me from behind
and like if my husband's hand isover my head, sucka will start
nudging it.
Or like if my husband is, youknow, if I'm sitting on the bed
talking to my husband, at theend of the day he jumps up, and
(55:52):
if my husband comes over and hekisses me, he'll push him away.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
He's a jealous dog, he is not, it's my baby.
Yeah, he's something alright.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
He's my baby.
Thank y'all for listening.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Be sure to get those books off Amazon.
Who Kicked First?
And Nard Nard, who's there?
By Victoria Curie.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
And one last little thing and I hope you add to this
and if you read it, don'tcomment.
That's you.
Read it, don't comment.
And that's not what I was goingto say, and I hope you add to
this If you are the black sheepof the scapegoat, as we both are
, do not allow someone who ismiserable because misery loves
company.
(56:29):
Don't allow a narcissist whocannot accept and or take
responsibility for their ownactions continue to tear you
down.
I know it is so much easier saidthan done, I know it, and even
when you're not, right front andcenter, they're still gonna try
, but when that's the case, justremember who you are.
Brush yourself off dustyourself off and say yeah, I'm
(56:51):
better than that and it's notthat easy, but it's a good
starting point.
Anything you want to say toAbinette, that's it.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Good night y'all.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
My husband wants to go to bed.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yes, take my wife and let her know.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
Oh, I don't think so.
Thank y'all.
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