August 25, 2025 • 62 mins
What would you do if you witnessed a violent attack in public? Would you step in to help, or freeze in the moment? This raw, unfiltered conversation begins with Michael and Victoria discussing a disturbing video of a random stabbing at Walmart, questioning why bystanders failed to intervene when they had the power to stop the threat.
The couple doesn't shy away from difficult topics as they share their perspectives on self-defense, situational awareness, and the Good Samaritan Law that protects those who step up in dangerous situations. Their passion for protecting others extends beyond physical safety into the emotional realm, where they've created an academy offering affordable healing resources for survivors of abuse.
Victoria opens up about her experiences with narcissistic family members, detailing the manipulation tactics like silent treatment and blame-shifting that defined these relationships. The painful authenticity in her voice resonates as she describes how narcissists refuse accountability and twist situations to make victims feel responsible for abuse. Michael's supportive presence highlights how healing relationships can develop even after experiencing profound betrayal from those who should have provided safety and love.
The conversation shifts to parenting concerns about today's screen-obsessed youth, the couple's shared joy in their strong family bonds, and Victoria's upcoming medical procedures resulting from past abuse. Their natural banter and occasional humor provide welcome relief from heavy topics while showcasing the genuine connection that defines their relationship and podcast.
Whether you're navigating complex family dynamics, recovering from abuse, or simply interested in authentic conversations about life's challenges, this episode offers validation, perspective, and hope. Subscribe now to join this supportive community where healing is prioritized and real talk is always on the menu.
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
and her hello welcome back to another episode of the
state of smile podcast with yoursexy host, victoria, and
michael, the guy in thebackground howdy y'all.
You're never in the background,ever, never, ever.
You're my redneck, I'm yourredhead, right, yes?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
So to start off, I see, I saw, I seen them first A
short video of an evil manrunning around Walmart stabbing
folks.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Oh my god, what the crap is going on in this house.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
What I saw was a man stabbing folks at random
erratically running throughWalmart and what I didn't see
was any dads, any men steppingup to stop the threat.
(01:12):
Okay, if I'm in Walmart with mywife and my daughter, you
better believe it.
We're armed Okay, that's numberone.
But if I saw this erraticbehavior, I'm going to, of
course, keep my family safe, butI'm going to do something about
it because I can.
You know, that's my God-givenright.
Where were the men at to tacklethis SOB?
(01:34):
You know, to throw something athim.
I'm taking a whole rack ofclothes and throw it at him.
Okay, Am I wrong in this?
What?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
do you think there, victoria no, I mean the video we
saw like I picked up a, canthat?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
they were in the can aisle that.
I would have picked up a can andchucked it in right, or at
least trick them down and youknow, subdue them, which you
have the right to do and holdthem until they survive there's
not going to be a lawyer that'sgoing to fault you for and you
know subdue them, which you havethe right to do and hold them
at all.
Exactly, please survive.
There's not going to be alawyer that's going to fault you
, for you know tackling this manor you know hitting him with
something.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
No, in its own way it's self-defense, because he
didn't he didn't even just likestrategically, just go up to
somebody.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
He was zigzagging everywhere, right it was chaotic
.
It was chaotic and random itwasn't like, okay, this person's
in my peripheral site right,I'm only doing that for
washington right and he was justlike everyone.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, it was any and everyone that's just crazy, but
see you know a lot of people areafraid if they're out in public
and you stop the threat thatthey're going to be incarcerated
for whatever happens to theindividual that they Right.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's why we have the Good Samaritan Law to
protect the civilians for doingan act that may constitute
violence in most cases, butyou're stopping a threat.
You had the intention ofstopping a threat.
You had the intention ofstopping the threat and, like I
told my wife earlier, there's notelling what he could have
(03:12):
coated that knife with.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What if?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
he had AIDS.
I know, I think AIDS stays livefor about four hours.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
But he could have covered in fecal matter His foot
, okay, his own blood.
It could have been hepatitis C.
You're going to get it if it'scovered in this fecal matter.
And then what you got to livewith that the rest of your life.
Why?
Because nobody stopped him oryou didn't stop him.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I know it was an isolated incident.
I hope it is.
But, guys, if you have theright and you're a trained legal
American citizen, carry yourfirearm.
You know, they may permit withit too, obviously, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, a lot of people don't.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
They might leave home without it.
You know, Maybe they mightleave it on their dressing room.
And then do what me and myfamily do.
My family and I, we go out tothe gun range, we practice, we
train and we teach our kid howto properly use a firearm and we
tell them keep your head out ofthat foam, keep your head on a
(04:28):
swivel, look around.
Till this day, my wife and Istill still do not sit with our
back to a door right.
Okay, it has to be a veryspecial occasion where I'm
sitting next to my daughterbecause it's her birthday or or
something she said daddy won,why don't you sit next to her?
I want to sit next to Mom, butmost of the time my wife and I
we're facing the exits.
(04:48):
You know, we see oursurroundings, we know what's
going on around us.
The other day we were inFirehouse Subs and we were
waiting on our subs my daughterand I and there was two state
troopers next to us sitting atthe table eating and I'm very
observant.
(05:08):
I look at everybody right and mywife.
We're very secure in ourmarriage.
It don't matter if it's a manor woman.
We're sitting there and a blackmale walks in and I noticed in
his right pocket the shape of agun.
And as he passed by me.
I saw the butt of the gun and,for whatever reason, he didn't
(05:30):
have a magazine in there.
But as he passed by, I alertedthe two state troopers beside me
that that gentleman rightbehind me had a firearm.
And so, man, that's justcourtesy I want to know was.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I carrying it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yes, did they see it?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
They probably did when I walked in, because I
carry, you know, a big Kimber.45 or my Colt .45.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I carry a large weapon.
Yeah, I'm a big guy, I can dothat.
My wife carries a teeny weapon.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You carry a teeny weapon.
I'm not walking around carryinga .22.
Come on now.
It's just a bug.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
You know what.
But she's got a nice little.380.
It's cute, I mean.
I'm sorry, it's badass.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's badass, baby.
I saw a video and I know howfake.
Watch it where a woman wastrying to get into her vehicle.
She looked down at her friendfor just a second and then I
came up behind her and grabbedher.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It was that fast and I was like this is how fast it
can happen.
They can get into your vehicle,they can take your stuff you
know a car can be replaced,whatever can be replaced you
cannot that's right, right.
It's not worth it.
It is not worth it and it'sjust.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know, it's so scary when you think about like.
I remember when the movietheater shooting started right
and like, and you go in there,you're in there to watch a movie
, and then you know people wouldsay every time the door opened.
I was like then why did you go?
Right, I mean that movie isgoing to come out eventually.
You already waited this longfor it to come out.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I mean why?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
take an unnecessary risk.
It's just not advantageous,right.
It just doesn't make sense asto do that.
And then some people have likeabsolutely zero filter, which is
really, really rude.
And I just want to touch onthis for a second, because you
know, we have this academy whereevery course is valued at
(07:22):
several hundred dollars andwe're doing it for either very
low cost, like under fivedollars, or free, so that people
can get the healing they need,because it shouldn't come with a
price tag.
So I am in over like 1800 groupsright, and so I go in there and
I tell people that thesecourses have been created by
(07:45):
survivors and that it's not atextbook course, and that's what
makes it different thaneverything else.
And we've won awards for ouracademy.
Like it's not, like there'ssomething we've made.
We have been acknowledgedglobally and ranked that we have
the number one support networkfor survivors and special needs
(08:07):
thank y'all for listening andand voting because we had to be
nominated and we, you know, weregiven these prestigious awards.
And and the thing is is I hadsome person who was an admin of
a group for abused people likeread how I went through and what
(08:34):
I went through and then made acomment that they thought it was
funny and I wrote back what isfunny, like what is funny about
a woman who was pregnant, whofought for their life Not just
my life, but my unborn child'slife and it just it's mind
boggling that you know, somepeople think they're this
bad-ass person on the other sideof a keyboard.
And now I found out people youknow, not only in Minecraft, but
(08:59):
you know Snapchat roadblocks.
They're all posing as youngerpeople.
Like, I already knew thatpeople are posing as younger
people, but, like Snapchat, areyou kidding?
People are posing as you knowyounger people to get
information and and get intotalking with kids and trading
(09:20):
pictures and things like that,and it's what is safe now for
our family?
What is truly safe now?
And that's the question thatnobody can seem to give an
honest answer to.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, we have at least two of our children.
They're well, they're notchildren.
They're, you know, 19 to 20 now, but they're mostly introverts,
so they stay at home.
And you know now?
But they're mostly introverts,so they stay at home and their
world revolves around videogames and cell phones.
That's just this generationgrowing up.
I don't know how to get themout of it.
(09:56):
You cut the line, you cut theumbilical cord, you cut them off
and then you've got Dr Jekylland Mr.
Hyde, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I just have a huge issue with.
I've always been someone who isnot fond of video games.
I've never been fond of videogames Don't do it, Don't do it.
And I've never been fond ofvideo games I mean we don't.
Today there's no video gameslike Frogger or Breakout or
(10:34):
anything like that, like thosegames don't exist anymore, right
?
But then my husband at dinnertonight is telling me about a
video game that he's playing,where he takes a shower with his
.
I don't even know what it wasoh, is that another npc
character?
okay, that's japanese to me,because I don't even know what
(10:55):
that is but like you know, andthen not long ago they called me
down and I went downstairs andthey're like killing zombies and
I'm like this is justdisgusting and I'm so against it
.
And they're like over theredead people, they're not real,
they're bleeding and you'remutilating and decapitating and
amputating right like hello.
I see my arm don't, don't watchthis.
(11:16):
I hate it.
I think they should like.
That's just me personally, butI since the games have become
more graphic violence amongyounger adults has become more
prevalent.
That is a fact.
It is a fact, you know.
People say where'd you learn toshoot while you're dead?
Oh, on my Game Boy or my Xboxor my whatever.
(11:39):
You didn't learn how to shooton your Atari when you had a
little joystick joystick.
You don't learn how to do that,right, you didn't.
And that just infuriates methat the kids are given these
tools for babysitting, like oh,I don't have to watch them,
they're gonna get lost in thesea you know dinner, and then
they don't take showers untiltheir hair is greasy, and then
(11:59):
they don't want to changeclothes and they go to sleep
with their headphones on andthey can do all this.
But then if you ask them, youknow, hey, hand me a phillips
head screwdriver.
Oh, they don't know what aphillips head screwdriver is,
and that's true it is true andit's you know.
Come on, let's do manual labor,let's go outside.
This is a thing, calledoutdoors.
There's a thing called abackyard.
(12:19):
Let's go out there and makesome memories and spend some
time together and when we hadthe other kids, our other kids.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Here we don't get very much because they don't
want to come away from theirtelevision it is.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I need a break.
I need to go back inside andplay after like 10 minutes
because that's all they want,right?
And I love our son.
I've loved him since he wasteeny, tiny little.
I change his diapers, right,and he comes over in his
suitcase and the only thing hehas in the suitcase is his pants
.
Fine, and that blows my mindlike how he's a great kid and
(12:55):
he's super smart.
But why is it that we are notreally trying to lift these kids
up and give them moreself-esteem?
When I say to him howincredibly smart he is, he looks
at me and goes you think so?
Really?
Yes, I do, I think he'sbrilliant.
He's so smart like we get those3d puzzles or whatever, and and
(13:17):
he puts them together and likeno time flat, but he wants to go
right back to the video game.
Right, and it's.
Do you realize how smart youare?
Do you see how smart you are?
And their self-esteem is solike low because they don't get
that interaction, and that's notokay it really upsets me and it
(13:40):
just makes me want to like,look at certain parents that
think that these are electronicbabysitters and ask them what
the hell is your malfunction?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So I think that they need another focus, another
motivation, something different.
You get a girlfriend.
Guess what those 19-hour videogames goes down to?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
four.
No, they play together on theif they play together, that's
different.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Okay, you get a job that 18 hours goes down to three
to four hours a lot of kidsdate people they play with on
the games they never know.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
They consider them like our girlfriend or whatever
you know, and it's like oh,they're from zimbabwe or
whatever you know, and that'swho I'm dating and yeah, yeah,
yeah, you know it's just likewow you know, it's mind-blowing
to me.
And then, uh, I just realizedthat it's the anniversary coming
(14:44):
up of the release of Mark.
Mark, he's there.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Already.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yo, it's been a year since this was released.
The 43rd book that my wife willbe publishing.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And it's just.
You know, kids today don't evenwant to pick.
I want to feel a book in myhand.
Singular I want to turn thepages and people like isn't that
easier for you to have like akindle or something?
Yeah, it would be, but I don'tget to feel the paper, I don't
get to turn the page.
I just scroll up right and rightand I can't stand it.
(15:24):
I want, and I have one hand.
So I want to know whateverybody else's excuse is, why
they don't want to hold a bookin their hand.
They just want to.
You know it's inconvenient orit's this or it's that Really?
No, it's not.
You know you're taking away oneof life's greatest pleasures.
Sit out, our world is on thehill.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It's just.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I mean there's no other way to summarize it.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
So, speaking of books , y'all get on Amazon and type
in Victoria Curie and look atthe books that she has published
out there.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
They're not all on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Correct, but pay particular attention to the two
the one in this other one wementioned, the one in this other
one we mentioned.
The NARC book is a prequel toher first book, which is a
memoir, and it's called whoKicked First.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
So check out.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Who Kicked First?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
and.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
NARC.
Narc, who's there, and, like Isaid, she's got several others
in there.
Our daughter has written andpublished five books.
They're fabulous.
Been a partaker of one of them.
In fact, I was the maincharacter of one of them.
Thank you very much, Boy.
(16:48):
What's wrong with your middlefinger, babe?
It has Tourette's.
It has Tourette's.
Okay.
So my wife's currently gettingready to publish another one
called Dear Silence and be onthe lookout for it.
Like I said, if y'all jump onour academy, go through a
Contagious Small website, youcan see what all is offered
(17:10):
through our academy.
There's well over 100 coursesin there and some of them are
master class material.
It should be priced in thehundreds and my wife won't do it
.
She said we will not do it If asurvivor is coming out of an
abusive relationship trying heror his damnedest to make it
possible to survive and thrivefor her kids or his kids and be
(17:35):
there for their family.
She's not going to gouge them,she's not going to overcharge.
That's why a lot of the classesare like $4.95.
And if you act now, it's still$4.95.
I don't think that you shouldhave to pay the fuel.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That's just what bothers me so much, and you go
back and you think about it LikeI look at it from my point of
view where I went through thisby myself back then.
I wish something was like thisout there.
I mean, there was courses outthere, but back then they were
like $800, $900.
(18:13):
Back then they were like eight,nine hundred dollars and you
know, I was trying to figure outhow I was even gonna, you know,
get the supplies that faithneeded at that point every month
.
I was living on like fourhundred dollars a month and
that's insanely crazy and it'sthe sacrifices that you make for
your child.
That's what you do and you don'thesitate, unless you have bio
parents, like we do, but that'sa whole other story and it's
(18:35):
it's what you do for your kidsand I I just believe in paying
it forward and helping thosethat need it.
You know I really do.
And at dinner tonight it reallygrabbed my heart because you
know the kids that have beengoing through the the trenches
of any kind of medical obstacles, because I don't like saying
(18:55):
critical, chronic, disabled, Idon't like saying any of those
terms um people lead their livesand you know what shame on you
if you're listening.
Shame on you, because what thehell did they do to you?
You know, and one day you mightbe in that exact same spot, or
worse, and you are going to knowwhat it feels like to be all
(19:19):
alone.
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Faith wouldn't do it faith would be right there
regardless.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But to go through something and know there's a
99.9 chance that you are notcoming home and that you know
you, you've all you've beenoffered to be comfortable, um,
and then you fight through it,you know I mean, and then to
abandon them because they're notused to you right now, and it's
(19:44):
not just faith that this hashappened to it's happened to my
husband.
It's happened to me.
I am beyond honored and blessed.
Right now I'm working with thisamazing girl who is just a
spirit to be reckoned with, andshe knows who she is and she's
going through the same thing andit's like how can you do that?
(20:07):
You know, you can pick, yournose, you can pick your ass, but
you can't pick your family Iguess, you know, and what a loss
for everybody else it's not aloss for us, it's a loss for
them, because in these days andtimes you are not going to find
a more loyal, understandinggiving person who will sit by
your side because they get itand they understand it and they
know how to do it, you know andthen you turn around and just
(20:29):
crap all over them.
I don't know how you look atyourself in the mirror that's
all I've got to say, especiallywhen it comes to kids like young
kids or whatever.
I don't know how you look atyourself in the mirror.
You know I just ugliness spewsout from the inside and that's
horrible how you can just I meanat some point in time you're
(20:51):
gonna need somebody forsomething, and I don't believe
in karma, I don't believe it'smine to give.
Sometimes I am human.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I want to hear about it, don't get it wrong, but I
will get it.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I will not give karma , um, but I do want to hear
about it.
And the thing is, is that youthink about these beautiful
children like that go throughthis pain and suffering lifelong
and they fight why do?
They fight because they knowthey're loved.
You know, they know like whenyou're in the NICU, girls
(21:22):
outlive boys statistically andif you have two identical kiddos
, and one has a loving parentthat's there by their side,
loving on them, talking to them,singing to them, reading to
them, interacting with them.
And then you have a anotherinfant with the same exact
situation and they have nobodybut the doctors and nurses.
(21:43):
That baby's not going to fightas hard because they feel no
need to.
Why why should I fight thishard?
And I know, and that goes allthe way up into the you know
older ages too.
You People die alone.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
They die of a broken heart.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
These are all things that are real and I don't
understand how some people havetheir heads in their asses.
That's just Okay.
I'm raw today, I guess.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
No, my wife and I saw it many, many a day, as we
stayed with our faith for twoand a half months, and then we
were only home for a very shortperiod of time.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
We were back in again .
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Right Day in and day out we saw bed after bed, Nobody
Children in there, young, youknow, toddlers Up to teens.
Oh my God, it was soheartbreaking because you know
we would stay with our daughteras much as I physically could,
working a full-time job and Inever left Taking care of dogs
(22:39):
Right and we would walk thehallways just to get a little
exercise, but be right there byour daughter and we almost never
saw people.
Family members in certain kids'rooms.
It was so disheartening, it wascrazy.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I mean, we had a kid who was three doors down?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
who?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
died alone and it broke my heart.
Remember I was so devastated.
I mean, they had the clergy inthere and you know the thing is,
is you just want to grab theparent?
I don't care if you're at work,you can get another job right.
I don't care if you're at work,you can get another job right.
I don't care what the excuse is.
You know you have other kids.
If you get a phone call thatsays this child's not going to
(23:21):
make it through the day and youcan't be there and that child
dies alone, I mean that justthat chokes me up because I
don't understand it.
I mean, I don't get it, even ifyou brought your other kids and
put them in the waiting areathey'll put, they'll bring a
nurse or somebody to sit outthere so you can be in there
with your child at that point,Right, and one of the nurses did
(23:45):
say that they tried to call thefamily and you know a lot of
people say, oh, my kids in thehospital it's like a daycare or
a babysitting service, and it'snot not all people are like that
, but you know from forsomeone's point of view who has
lived in the hospital with theirkid.
You know we were in the make you, take you, pick you for
(24:05):
basically the first six months.
You know most of the, I wouldsay the majority of the kids
were alone.
I understand if they're workingto keep the insurance but, you
best believe.
Somebody's going on disabilitylong-term disability, short-term
disability and somebody'scoming by every night as soon as
(24:26):
they're off work.
I couldn't concentrate on work,I'd be fired.
I'd be fired because I'd belike no, I have to be there, I
don't care, I don't care, Idon't care, I just don't
understand.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I don't know where we're going with any of this.
When we first started thispodcast, we do everything
unscripted up here we just kindof say whatever's on our mind A
lot of time, you know, with mywife and I.
It's about family.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Well, and then I saw a video the other day of a I
don't even want to call him adad.
I'm going to put him in thesame category and say he's a
sperm donor.
He had a two-day-old baby andkilled his baby.
You know what the hell is thematter with you.
I mean seriously, what is wrongwith you?
These people you know, and thenthey want to cry.
Don't leave me in gen pop,don't put me out there.
(25:21):
They're going to hurt me.
Well, what about that baby?
What about that baby?
Right, you're going to sitthere and cry and complain that
you don't want to get hurt.
Well, do you think that thatbaby wanted to get hurt?
Do you think that baby didn'twant to survive?
I mean, what about the baby'srights?
That just irritates me.
You know, I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know, he's not even a father.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
No, he's a donor.
How could?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
you destroy your child like that.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I understand.
I can't grasp it.
I don't understand it.
It took me over 40 solid yearsto really have an eye opening on
my biological parents and Ikeep telling that to Faith that
she's very lucky that she's seenit so early.
(26:17):
We've always told her to makeher own decisions and not try to
taint the water, so to speak,with her.
But you know, you think aboutlike things that have been done
and when we almost lost her, um,all we heard was I tried, I
made a phone call.
You made a phone call, a phonecall you knew, he knew, she knew
(26:39):
that we were there, they knewwhere we were and one phone call
is supposed to be okay.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I mean, you know your side didn't do it mine didn't
do it.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
And then, all of a sudden, my bio dad turns around
and says to her you know, I wantto put it behind, didn't do it.
And then, all of a sudden, mybio dad turns around and says to
her you know, I want to put itbehind us and move forward.
And then, um, but I want you toknow, I really didn't make an
effort.
And then our birthday comesaround and no phone call or
nothing, and she just keptchecking the phone and checking
my phone and you know, did hemessage?
did he message?
Did he message?
And I'm not gonna lie to her,no, and she's like why would he
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do that?
Why would he play these games?
With me, and now he's doing nocontact.
You know the silent treatment,which is a major trait that a
narcissist does.
The silent treatment is rightup that flagpole of one of the
tricks they pull out of theirhat, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Does that make you as we'll say?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
the victim at the time?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
does that make you, as we'll say, the victim at the
time?
Does that make you or therecipient of his silence think?
That hey, I'm guilty, I've donesomething.
What have I done wrong?
I need to pay, I need to comeback to his good side, shit like
that.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I did that my whole life.
I would be in a different stategeographically and something
would happen and I would getblamed for it and I would just
go to a parliament and followthe sword, metaphorically and
just be like you know, whateverit is, I'm sorry you did it,
I'll cover you know, whateverthe case is, and you do that to
get them talking to you again,and it's just part of their
cycle and the silent treatmentyou know, and then, you hear it
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Well, you're an adult.
You're an adult, I'm still yourkid.
I'm still your kid, I might bean adult but I'm your kid.
You know, and I hate whenpeople say why did you stop
talking?
To your elderly parents.
Why did you stop talking?
To your elderly parents Right.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So why don't you turn around for just a millisecond?
And ask what could they havepossibly done to make us stop
talking to them Right, Turn itaround and look at it Like what
could they have done?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
What you know.
These are the people that aresupposed to teach you what is
right and wrong?
They're supposed to teach youwhat is acceptable as a partner,
as a person, and you know whatdo and don't do in life.
And maybe that's when you havethe realization of what really
is and isn't, and instead it'sall what you've done after all
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they do for you and that's theirlittle flying monkeys that run
around talk bad about you andslam you and slander you and you
know, it's like when I wrote my.
I've been on again, off again.
No contact with my biologicalfamily for years and it's.
I wrote a book and they haven'tread it.
They refuse to read it right.
And it was just people asked mein the the who take first, how
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was I about them?
And I was very what's the termI'm looking for?
Subtle about who they are andwho picked first, because it
wasn't about them it was aboutme surviving abuse, and I
literally did not put in there99% of what transpired between
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us, because that's not what itwas about.
Right right and I've alwaysthanked them because they did
give me refuge.
They did allow me and faith tomove in after she was born.
She was over six months oldwhen they offered, but we paid
the price.
Believe me, we paid to be thereand I will forever thank them
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for what they did, becausethat's the right thing to do and
I am thankful because we wereminutes from hospital at that
point.
But then again, you know,whenever they would get to, who
and how they were, I would getin front and not allow them to
do that to to my daughter,because my daughter needed
full-time care.
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She could not be taken care ofum by anyone unless it was
absolutely around the clock andI I did not go into any of the
narcissism and who kicked first,but then as time went on on and
I learned more and more aboutthings.
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I also saw really firsthand,because now I'm a mom, and I saw
how they were to my daughter inregards to you know, nothing
was ever good enough.
Or if my daughter would ask mymom to do something with her,
she didn't have the time but shewould drive an hour to go see
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my brother to take him a pad ofpaper, literally like.
That's not an exaggeration,that's literal, and my bio dad
used us as an excuse for hisextracurricular activities, and
it was told to me on numerousoccasions that if I ever opened
my mouth and told his wife, mymother, that he would make her
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believe that I made him havethis relationship right.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
No a narcissist would do that, would they?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And it's like how can I make you put your tongue in
her mouth?
How can I make you do otherthings right?
And there was so much going onand it was constant and it just
I couldn't believe it.
I took my daughter on a uhmother-daughter trip before she
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had a major surgery and hewanted to go and I would never
let him drive.
I drove, and so, long storyshort, I'm not going to give all
the details because you have tosee nart nart who's there and
NartNart who's there is not a.
He said.
She said it is.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I don't even know how you explain it.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
There are pictures, emails, text messages.
It's overwhelming in evidence.
There's more evidence thanthere is anything.
But I've redacted pictures,names, things of that nature.
But so we're on this definitelya good read thank you, we're on
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this little weekend whatever andknock, knock, knock on the door
the next day after we arriveand open it up and there is
somebody with their two year oldtoddler, who happens to be
younger than me, and my daughter, who is a.
How do you explain?
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She is a firecracker.
Yes, she's a firecracker.
She sat there.
She sat there and startedtaking pictures of them
canoodling with each other andthere's pictures of them kissing
.
She took pictures right andthen she had asked him to go to
a movie with her.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
She really wanted to go see a movie in the movie
theater.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
He said, no, I don't like those movies whatever
whatever well after you know, wewent and did our own thing.
I wasn't babysitting you knowthey tried to put that child off
on us and it was after dinnerthat first night we got a knock
on the door and the kidliterally just dropped off and
ran and they went out and theywent to a movie and I texted him
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and he stayed and he was in themovie with her right, he stated
how much he liked her and thenhe wrote me back after midnight
saying come open the the roomdoor, you know and this just
went on and onand I said this kid won't stop
crying.
I can't get this kid to stop.
And he was like, well, there'sa big empty bed down here.
You know this was after theirdate or whatever but these are
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things that are done bynarcissists.
But then they can never, ever,ever, ever, ever hold
accountability, ever they cannotdo it.
You know I mean and it's mindblowing, and most people are
afraid of my biological father,which for most of my life I
understood he was in.
(34:29):
I want to say this withoutgiving anything away he was
someone in power.
He he had a lot of power and heis someone who has the
mentality that someone who isfrom New York and Jewish is
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about power and money and heportrayed that every which way
he could Like.
It was all about that.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Like if you came around it was.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Let me show you my new toy.
Let me show you my new this Letme show you my new that this is
how much it's worth.
This is every I mean.
Is that not true?
Like you know you would comeover and it would be like oh,
let me show you my new whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
And it's not let me show you my $24 toy it's.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Let me show you my $80,000 vehicle or whatever you
know, and, and for the longesttime like the will was held over
my head.
You know you're not going toget anything if you don't do
this and you don't do that, andit's not about the monetary.
I wanted the items that belongto my grandparents because,
that's what meant the world tome is my grandparents and I
would keep their belongings inthe family forever, like I would
pass it on down to faith.
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It's not about monetary at all,and the will was held over me
for the longest time and Itotally fell in love with my
husband all over again when hetold him what did you say?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
to him.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
About what you want.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
No, I was going to present him with a prenup and
say the only thing I want fromyou is your daughter, right?
I don't give a shit aboutanything, that you have your
$80,000 Corvette, your $1.5million home.
I don't care about any of that.
Just give me.
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I'm going to take your daughterand I'm going to take your
granddaughter.
That's it.
That's all I want, and I meanthat.
And we had the happiestmarriage, y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
This is my third wife .
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I messed up, you know , first, two times.
I should have married this oneback when I met her 25 years ago
.
But you know, hey, that's theway I am.
I'm hard-headed, I got to learnthe hard way, like most of us
guys.
But this is my soulmate and I'mgoing to fight to keep her.
I should have fought to get her.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Oh, you had me, you had me.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
But regardless.
I'm here, I'm her husband andthat's my daughter there.
My wife allowed me to adopt her.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I did and you cried during the adoption.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
If you stepfathers have the chance to adopt your
younglings.
I'd say do it Because it is thebest thing for you and them.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Let me tell you one thing that I can tell you, if
you are a survivor of narcissismin any way, let me tell you so
my bio father says to my husbandone day, out of nowhere, they
ran into each other andwe had been in no contact at
this point for years.
And he sees my husband and hetalks to him like 45 minutes and
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then I hear about all this andthen we ended up having a
conversation and he actuallysaid to me and my husband heard
this, so he'll speak up here heactually I offered for him to
come on the show and he agreed,hesitantly, agreed and he said
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to me I don't know what we wouldtalk about and I was like well,
how about we talk about?
what it's like to have yourchild go through domestic
violence, right, and he was like, well, I don't have anything to
say about that.
And he said you need to haveyour mom on.
So I asked her you know, do youwant to come on the show?
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And she was like you won't likewhat I have to say because I
would say you chose to stay, soyou stayed, so you get what you
get.
But after speaking with himover and over again, we were
having a conversation, myhusband was sitting there and I
said you know you really shouldcome on and he's like, well, why
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don't we talk about?
he wanted to talk about where hehad all this power from
professionally and it wasn'tadvantageous for what we do
pretty much, and so I said no,why don't you come on and talk
about and he which is so weird,because anybody who knows him
knows that nobody puts him in acorner, like people fear him.
(39:12):
And I was like no, I really wantyou to come on the show.
I really want you to come onthe show.
He agreed to it and he evensigned a waiver stating that he
would in fact come on the show.
Stating that he would in factcome on the show.
And so what?
My husband is like standing uptrying to swat a fly,
distracting me, but he's notgonna.
Hey, did you get it?
Because you just probablypulled out people leaders.
(39:34):
Um, he said he was gonna comeon and he signed the waiver.
And then he says, well, I'm notcoming on until we have a
conversation about what you did.
And that's again trying to playslay mommy for his creative
(39:54):
activities if you want to saybut it's the same thing, like on
.
You know both sides.
Like his mom, michael's mom,she reached out.
Well, she actually went to herbrother his brother to reach out
to have us try and talk withher and when she gets on the
phone, no accountability fortheir actions.
No, you know, I'm sorry um youknow why, didn't you and my
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husband asked her why didn't youand my husband asked her why
didn't you check on our?
daughter your granddaughter, andI didn't know if you'd want to
hear from us or hear from me andI mean, how do you answer that?
What is your advice to?
I don't remember.
Well, I do kind of rememberwhat you said, but like you know
?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
You're asking me if I remember.
Well, when she said to you Ididn't know if you would want to
hear from me when Faith was inthe hospital all this time, yeah
.
I don't remember what I said.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
You weren't happy about it.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
No, I don't remember what I said, and that's been
over a month, and she wanted tocall the following week and then
nothing again.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
But, it's just, it's mind-blowing, the genetic makeup
and the mind of a narcissist.
It really is, because anybodywho's gone through it and
understands they love the silentgame, they love never taking
accountability for their actions?
They never will they always putit off on someone else, like
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his mom when I became an amputee?
It's fine if you don't call andcheck on me, but you should
have checked on your son andyour granddaughter.
Her answer was well, she hadanother hand.
She could have called me withthat one.
I mean seriously, that's noteven funny, that's not even
remotely funny.
And my husband and I are notinnocent.
We're not perfect people by anymeans, but we own up to what we
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do we hold ourselvesaccountable for our actions.
So I mean have we made mistakesshort, not to enjoy every
single minute.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
You know, I can't tell you how we just laugh every
single night.
I mean, babe, every nightbefore we all turn in for the
night, I mean we are laughing sohard that our faces hurt
because we're just laughing sohard and that's how it should be
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.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
I mean, if you've ever seen grumpy old men or
grumpier old men.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
That is how my daughter and husband are.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I mean, it's hilarious to hear the two of
them.
They are always at it, but I'lltell you what their bond is so
thick and so real and they loveeach other so much.
It makes my heart so happy andthat's why I have said from
inception, the only person Iwould ever let be her dad is
michael, and you know they'll belike, oh, you putz back and
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forth, back and forth, but thenshe wants a daddy hug.
You know she wants to sit downthere for her daddy daughter
movie night and they curl up onthe couch.
She puts her head on hisshoulder and they watch horror
movies and it's just thesweetest thing and those are the
memories that you will haveforever and ever not what your
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highest score was, not how longit took you to beat.
Whatever game you're playing,it's about making memories with
those that love you, accept youand cherish you unconditionally
right babe.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yes, keep talking about the deposit, miss jay oh
my gosh, my husband.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
By the way, I surprised my husband over the
weekend and I will spell out thename, since there is one in the
room a-l-e-x-a, you can ask herto play a contagious smile
podcast and she does.
We are now there.
It is so exciting to know thatwe are now on that platform as
(43:56):
well.
That is incredibly exciting,and we have so much coming up in
the future.
Here Again, I want to apologizeas my speech takes a turn.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
I've noticed it.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
So if I noticed it, I am sure others have noticed it
as well.
I am having this life changingsurgery here in less than three
weeks and it will affect myspeech, but I have my ride or
die here with me right babe.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I thought, you were talking about the girl.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yes.
I'm here and I will do my bestand he will be my corrector, if
you will.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Oh Lord, I slept through English y'all.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Did you say you slept with the teacher?
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Maybe, but no.
In the janitor closet, that too, and no, I slept through
English.
My husband was a reformed.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
What I was a cop, what Not all cops a whore, what
I was a cop, what Not all copsare whores.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
If there's a cop out there.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Go ahead.
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I was never a whore that has not been outside of
their marriage.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I've never been outside of a marriage.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
I said out there, listen, please write to me and
correct me.
Let me know there's rainbowssomewhere.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, you'll write up it Apparently.
You did it way too much.
I'm dropping my common sense inthe chair.
Seriously, no, not all cops arewhores.
I don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
All the ones I knew were no, they're not they were
Not, not.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
And then I hear these stories.
Oh my god, I'm not even goingto tell any of these stories.
I heard a story from my husbandover the weekend that I only
knew what I thought was thewhole story.
But I only knew like a quarterof the story, and so the quarter
of the story I knew was enoughstuff that was jumping your skin
right now, that's right.
Come here stucko.
Come here now, that's right.
(46:00):
Uh, come here stuff, oh, stuck.
Oh, come here baby.
That's mama's boy and daddy'swearing her, so that's probably
why.
But I knew a quarter of thestory, the whole story rather
and instead I only know aquarter of the story and it was
not easy.
So imagine beloved, your bestfriend, your spouse, all of a
sudden correct what you thoughtwas the entire story into holy
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shit.
Are you kidding me While I'mdriving right?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Okay, let me stop right there.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
First of all, ladies, women, wives.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
If you honestly do not want to know, please don't
ask.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
But when I asked, you only gave me a quarter of the
story.
I thought it was the wholestory.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Because, as Jack Nicholson said, you can't handle
the truth, I can't handle thetruth.
You know I can Look how muchyou spazzed out.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Striving when I realized that you were trying to
be an Oreo cookie.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Well, there you have it, folks.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I mean seriously, there's no other way I can say,
and out of total respect andlove for my husband, I will not
go into the thing that makes yougo.
Like you know, but womenimagine your husband's body
parts in or on around, close tonear someone else.
(47:32):
That's not you right.
And then imagine them coming tosee you right after.
I'm just saying there's avisual.
And then and then imagine themcoming to see you right after
I'm just saying there's a visual.
And then imagine your sweetflower of life, your bride, the
love of your life, not yourroommate, not your other half,
not the ball and chain, but yourlove, your best friend, the
woman that you wake up to andsay thank God, having fond
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location and that was on purposeof another man, another man
kissing her forehead, holdingher hand, moving the hair out of
her face, and let's just seehow they react.
I'm just saying, like, imagineanother man kissing my forehead
babe no, why?
Speaker 1 (48:15):
because?
Why?
Speaker 2 (48:16):
that's my area imagine another man kissing you.
That's what I do.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
That is what you do.
That is something between us.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
But see, I believe, and I've always believed, that
kissing is such an intimatething, Like it is such an
intimate act between two peoplewho care about each other.
I don't think so.
Why.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Because you watch movies all the time.
They kiss that's just acting.
Okay, so they're whores.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
So what if somebody wanted to kiss me on the
forehead?
It's just an act.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
No.
No that is something special.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
You hold hands with somebody that's an intent.
You sticking your tongue insomeone's mouth is not an intent
, it's just a kiss.
So if some guy wanted to reachup and play tonsil hockey with
me, you wouldn't care.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I would care more if he kissed you on your forehead
and held your hand.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
But you wouldn't care if somebody came up and tonsil
hockey with you.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
I would care more.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
So I can get out a name and say this person can
come up and stick his tongue inmy mouth and he'd be okay let's
just say he'd get less of awoman, okay you know me, I have
never in my life cheated onsomebody I was in a relationship
with, even when I should have.
I couldn't, I couldn't do it.
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It's not in like, growing up Inever wanted to make my
grandparents unhappy ordisappointed in me and I was
raised with those old schoolthings right.
So like no, I couldn't imaginecheating.
Now I will call a spade a spadebecause I own what I do.
Don't get me wrong.
If I was remotely datingsomeone back in the day and I
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was interested in someone else,I would break up with that
person and then go out with theother person later on, maybe the
same day, but I was done withone before I hung like, hung out
with another, and I was a goodgirl who kept her legs crossed
like I don't like forever.
I never just gave it out, I justdidn't believe in it, because
that's something so intimate andpersonal.
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You don't just you know, youdon't you tend to the garden.
Like I don't just you know youdon't you tend to the garden, I
don't know, I'm just whatever.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
I don't know.
Alrighty, this just got realTalk about wife's garden, so let
me ask you are you nervousabout this upcoming surgery?
Speaker 2 (50:37):
So my wife has an upcoming surgery Because of the
abuse she went through.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Because of the abuse actually ask you Are you nervous
about this upcoming surgery?
So my wife has an upcomingsurgery because of the abuse she
went through.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Because of the abuse.
Actually, I have one thisFriday.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
She would literally wake up to that SOB pounding on
her head.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Straddling me as he straddled her.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Beating her with his fists.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Saying wake up, bitch .
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Give me something to drink.
I'm thirsty Because of all thatshe has lost her hearing.
She's almost completely deaf inher left ear and she is 100%
deaf in her right ear, so wehave to have surgery to correct
some of the issues that we'rehaving later on.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Now we've done a lot of surgery to try to correct it.
My jaws are replaced the rightI've had my eardrum completely
rebuilt and it fell apart likeswiss cheese and my husband's
gonna make steamboat williereference.
And then it fell down like it'snot upright, like it's supposed
to, and I've had to do allthese surgeries and, in all
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reality, like a lot of surgeriesthat I've needed have had to go
on the back burner, becauseI've always waited until Faith
was stable.
If she wasn't everything I hadto go through, waited because
she's number one.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
That's great.
I want your tea, yes.
So we're waiting excitingly fora response back from none other
than the team from JamesPatterson for my wife.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
We got an email.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
We don't know if it's legit.
We don't know if it's real.
We're hoping, because my wifehas done a lot of celebrity
interviews.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Scott Hamilton especially coming back.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Been through James Patterson's masterclass.
It's a possibility, y'all.
I thought you were going to say.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
James Theder.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Oh, yes, Blacklist.
We've had Aram, which is Amir.
Come on the show and reach out.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
I have to say this Because anybody who watches the
Blacklist okay, number one, thatis a show that's probably one
of the best shows ever made ever, and james spader should get
every single freaking warpossible for this show.
But you watch the show and, yes, some people might not be able
to watch it because it could bea little graphic and gory to
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people who aren't into this kindof show.
But the premise of the show ishe is on the fbi's most wanted
list, right, and you watch thisand he's brilliant.
And the more you watch the show, the more you're like I need a
Raymond Reddington.
I need a Raymond Reddington.
There should be a RaymondReddington for people who go
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through domestic violence,because this man and his
character is just like you aremy Raymond Reddington, babe,
because he comes in in hisfedora and he he never hurt
people like all he does is killpeople.
He's never killed a good person.
He only hurts people whodeserve to be killed because
they hurt other people.
So, right, and you watch theseepisodes of him and he's just so
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like, it's his personality,disposition that make his
character come to life.
And if I could interview him,johnny depp, keanu reeves, I'd
be, I'd be good.
I'm just saying, like it's thefact that this is a man who
literally only went after badpeople and he's made out to be
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this monster.
There's some twists and turnsand there's some stuff in it
that's like, yeah, whatever, butthe overall premise of Reign of
.
Reddington is a must.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
So keep your fingers crossed.
Hopefully we can get somethinggoing on with James Patterson.
My wife emulates him a lot.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
He's a fabulous writer.
He doesn't write on a computer.
He writes with pencil and likelegal pad, which is amazing and
a lot of people don't know that.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
You have hundreds of them, I do.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
I have one in my bag.
You have one on the bed.
I have one next to the bed.
I have one in the shower.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
There's not one in the shower.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
But if I can make it work, I would, but like it was
so weird when I was watching hismaster class and participating
in it, Because he'd be like I'llbe at dinner and I'll take the
napkin and do the drink and I'llstart writing on it, and those
are how a lot of my books cometo life and I'm like I'm the
same freaking woman Right rightit's amazing, it's amazing.
I just don't have the team hedoes that takes all of his
(55:21):
napkins and paper and puts it toa document and you know that
you do it all yourself I do, Ido do that all myself and just
say do, do, I do, do all,whatever you're talking about up
with like a like oh, that was aan ear blip.
Or my like, when I have aspeech thing want to say no, you
(55:41):
can say do do, I know.
But I'm just saying, in thefuture, you know, I gotta be
able to be like.
That was one of those, you knowright things, but you didn't
answer the question and beforewe end this podcast question are
you worried about this ear?
Speaker 1 (55:53):
surgery.
No, I am not worried about thisear surgery.
No, I am not worried about thisear conversation, so thank you
for listening to what.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
I have to say this is the very first time ever and
all my hundred plus surgeries myhusband is taking off work to
go with me to pre-op.
I worry if you're worried.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
That's the only time.
Other than that, I have to staystrong for our family, and I'll
be sick.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Well, that may be true because I have to drive
home.
No, your daughter gets a crownand you take the furnace off the
floor Like, literally, you willjust pace the floor back and
forth and I look back and I go,is that how?
I was back in the beginning.
Holy shit, really yes, becauseanytime we leave the door open,
because it gets hot in the roomand anybody walks by Holy shit,
really yes, because anytime weleave the door open because it
(56:40):
gets hot in the room and anybodywalks by, he's like every time
somebody walks by it's been fourminutes 18 seconds.
I haven't heard anything.
I need an update and I'm likedamn, I didn't used to be like
that, that's exactly how I usedto be Holy crap.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
Are you complaining?
Speaker 2 (56:55):
No, but it's sweet.
I mean, I'm sorry, it would bea little nice for you to be a
little like that, just maybe 25%like that for me.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
I'm not going to show you I'm worried and have you
worry more.
It won't.
It'll make me feel better.
It'll make you feel better.
It'll show that I'm concerned,okay.
During my invitation, you madejokes about ever naming Hap off
(57:23):
Right as soon as I came out.
Right, that's how we are Right.
But you know you could haveshed a little, a little, did I
not shed tears with you?
No, before we did all this, youcould not stand up.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Are you kidding me, Babe?
Well, you kept standing up andyou're like I can't.
I got to go sit down.
I'm so tired, I got to go sitdown.
I standing up and you're like Ican't, I gotta go sit down, I'm
so tired, I gotta go sit down,I'm so tired.
And like babe they're wheelingme back in five minutes.
Go ahead.
It's more masculine to see thecaring side than withholding.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Let it be noted, audience, that I do have a
medical condition.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
No, no, I know you care, I know you care, I know
you care and you love me unlikeI've ever been loved before, and
that's what I cherish about you.
So much is because normally Iam a wreck going into surgery
out of fear of how faith isdoing while I'm in there, and
(58:18):
she used to have a doctor sitwith her.
Her grandmother was a doctor.
I would still be worried.
She had a doctor who was one ofher treating neonatologists.
I would still be worried backin the day.
Now, with you, who is not adoctor, I was more at ease.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
Thank you, doctor.
You're welcome doctor.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
You're welcome.
Doctor, Not doctor.
Not doctor, doctor, not doctor.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
Yeah, your three doctors take it up.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Whatever?
Speaker 1 (58:48):
Whatever.
So be mindful this weekend wemay or may not do a podcast,
absolutely will.
Depending on how my wife isrecovering, because I'll make
her ass sit in bed.
No, yes.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
I do.
No, I have a procedure Fridaymorning and then I have a
doctor's appointment four hourslater, so we will be going from
one to the other 48 hours.
We will be podcasting.
We did podcasting for pause 24hours after a massive surgery
and I sat there for three daysstraight.
We will podcast.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
Our listeners want to hear us.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
They want to hear you .
No, they want to hear youbecause everybody says my
husband tells everybody I'm nogood at podcasting.
He says it's Eeyore, everysingle person who has written it
.
I'm the ass.
Eeyore's not an ass, he's socute.
Eeyore's an ass.
No, he's ass.
Eeyore's not an ass, he's socute.
Eeyore's an ass he's not, he is, he's a donkey, he is the
cutest thing.
Anyway, everybody says he'sfunny, everybody says how funny
(59:47):
my husband is.
Eeyore's depressing you sitthere and you gotta give
yourself credit.
We would not be globally rankedpodcast if it wasn't for the
both of us.
It's our chemistry.
Everybody loves our chemistrybecause we're fun, we're funny,
we're hosted, we're real.
It's true.
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Y'all type in my name .
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
How many pages do I?
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
take up.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I can page that real.
Let's type in Victoria Curie.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Y'all type in her name, victoria Curie, on Google
or Bing.
How many pages is it?
Nothing but her, would you like?
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
to start getting that line right IMBD Cameo.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Oh, that's right, Michael's not in there.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Would you like to be?
Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Michael.
Jordan might be Would you liketo be.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Here is not Victoria Curie is on IMBD Would you like
to start getting more line rightand get more?
Why?
Because I'm starting, notVictoria Curie is on IMBD
Getting more lightweight andgetting more.
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Why?
Because I'm starting anengraving business downstairs
right below us and that's takingup a lot of my time.
Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
But you're not going to come away from a contagious
smile.
No.
Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
So why don't you?
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
We need a good name for an engraving business.
I like the one I did.
Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Well, what'd you do with it?
I?
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
don't rightly know, sir, I don't rightly know.
Oh, it is right here.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
If y'all can think of a good name, that kind of flows
with a contagious smile.
What we are, who we're about.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Maxina Smiles Engraving.
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Maybe y'all can help us out.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Hey, I came up with Junk and Disorderly.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
That's ours, that's right, that was awesome that's
trademark and LLC More healthy.
Anyway, thank you all forlistening to A Contagious Smile,
unstoppable with Victoria CuriePublished author of 41, soon to
be 42 books.
Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Doctorate times three oh God.
Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Lover of animals.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I love you.
I know we need to start puppiesagain.
I want a little puppy, I need alittle stuccoette, y'all keep
her in your prayers and thoughtsas she goes through this
massive surgery this comingFriday.
This one isn't a big one.
This one I'm doing in theoffice.
It's later in september,whatever.
(01:02:06):
Yeah, I need a little puppy.
Thank y'all.
Hey, babe, we need to talkabout this.
I need a puppy talking about itoff air I need a puppy.
and her hello welcome back to another episode of the
state of smile podcast with yoursexy host, victoria, and
michael, the guy in thebackground howdy y'all.
You're never in the background,ever, never, ever.
You're my redneck, I'm yourredhead, right, yes?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
So to start off, I see, I saw, I seen them first A
short video of an evil manrunning around Walmart stabbing
folks.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Oh my god, what the crap is going on in this house.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
What I saw was a man stabbing folks at random
erratically running throughWalmart and what I didn't see
was any dads, any men steppingup to stop the threat.
(01:12):
Okay, if I'm in Walmart with mywife and my daughter, you
better believe it.
We're armed Okay, that's numberone.
But if I saw this erraticbehavior, I'm going to, of
course, keep my family safe, butI'm going to do something about
it because I can.
You know, that's my God-givenright.
Where were the men at to tacklethis SOB?
(01:34):
You know, to throw something athim.
I'm taking a whole rack ofclothes and throw it at him.
Okay, Am I wrong in this?
What?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
do you think there, victoria no, I mean the video we
saw like I picked up a, canthat?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
they were in the can aisle that.
I would have picked up a can andchucked it in right, or at
least trick them down and youknow, subdue them, which you
have the right to do and holdthem until they survive there's
not going to be a lawyer that'sgoing to fault you for and you
know subdue them, which you havethe right to do and hold them
at all.
Exactly, please survive.
There's not going to be alawyer that's going to fault you
, for you know tackling this manor you know hitting him with
something.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
No, in its own way it's self-defense, because he
didn't he didn't even just likestrategically, just go up to
somebody.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
He was zigzagging everywhere, right it was chaotic
.
It was chaotic and random itwasn't like, okay, this person's
in my peripheral site right,I'm only doing that for
washington right and he was justlike everyone.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, it was any and everyone that's just crazy, but
see you know a lot of people areafraid if they're out in public
and you stop the threat thatthey're going to be incarcerated
for whatever happens to theindividual that they Right.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's why we have the Good Samaritan Law to
protect the civilians for doingan act that may constitute
violence in most cases, butyou're stopping a threat.
You had the intention ofstopping a threat.
You had the intention ofstopping the threat and, like I
told my wife earlier, there's notelling what he could have
(03:12):
coated that knife with.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What if?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
he had AIDS.
I know, I think AIDS stays livefor about four hours.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
But he could have covered in fecal matter His foot
, okay, his own blood.
It could have been hepatitis C.
You're going to get it if it'scovered in this fecal matter.
And then what you got to livewith that the rest of your life.
Why?
Because nobody stopped him oryou didn't stop him.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I know it was an isolated incident.
I hope it is.
But, guys, if you have theright and you're a trained legal
American citizen, carry yourfirearm.
You know, they may permit withit too, obviously, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, a lot of people don't.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
They might leave home without it.
You know, Maybe they mightleave it on their dressing room.
And then do what me and myfamily do.
My family and I, we go out tothe gun range, we practice, we
train and we teach our kid howto properly use a firearm and we
tell them keep your head out ofthat foam, keep your head on a
(04:28):
swivel, look around.
Till this day, my wife and Istill still do not sit with our
back to a door right.
Okay, it has to be a veryspecial occasion where I'm
sitting next to my daughterbecause it's her birthday or or
something she said daddy won,why don't you sit next to her?
I want to sit next to Mom, butmost of the time my wife and I
we're facing the exits.
(04:48):
You know, we see oursurroundings, we know what's
going on around us.
The other day we were inFirehouse Subs and we were
waiting on our subs my daughterand I and there was two state
troopers next to us sitting atthe table eating and I'm very
observant.
(05:08):
I look at everybody right and mywife.
We're very secure in ourmarriage.
It don't matter if it's a manor woman.
We're sitting there and a blackmale walks in and I noticed in
his right pocket the shape of agun.
And as he passed by me.
I saw the butt of the gun and,for whatever reason, he didn't
(05:30):
have a magazine in there.
But as he passed by, I alertedthe two state troopers beside me
that that gentleman rightbehind me had a firearm.
And so, man, that's justcourtesy I want to know was.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I carrying it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yes, did they see it?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
They probably did when I walked in, because I
carry, you know, a big Kimber.45 or my Colt .45.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I carry a large weapon.
Yeah, I'm a big guy, I can dothat.
My wife carries a teeny weapon.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You carry a teeny weapon.
I'm not walking around carryinga .22.
Come on now.
It's just a bug.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
You know what.
But she's got a nice little.380.
It's cute, I mean.
I'm sorry, it's badass.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's badass, baby.
I saw a video and I know howfake.
Watch it where a woman wastrying to get into her vehicle.
She looked down at her friendfor just a second and then I
came up behind her and grabbedher.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It was that fast and I was like this is how fast it
can happen.
They can get into your vehicle,they can take your stuff you
know a car can be replaced,whatever can be replaced you
cannot that's right, right.
It's not worth it.
It is not worth it and it'sjust.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know, it's so scary when you think about like.
I remember when the movietheater shooting started right
and like, and you go in there,you're in there to watch a movie
, and then you know people wouldsay every time the door opened.
I was like then why did you go?
Right, I mean that movie isgoing to come out eventually.
You already waited this longfor it to come out.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I mean why?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
take an unnecessary risk.
It's just not advantageous,right.
It just doesn't make sense asto do that.
And then some people have likeabsolutely zero filter, which is
really, really rude.
And I just want to touch onthis for a second, because you
know, we have this academy whereevery course is valued at
(07:22):
several hundred dollars andwe're doing it for either very
low cost, like under fivedollars, or free, so that people
can get the healing they need,because it shouldn't come with a
price tag.
So I am in over like 1800 groupsright, and so I go in there and
I tell people that thesecourses have been created by
(07:45):
survivors and that it's not atextbook course, and that's what
makes it different thaneverything else.
And we've won awards for ouracademy.
Like it's not, like there'ssomething we've made.
We have been acknowledgedglobally and ranked that we have
the number one support networkfor survivors and special needs
(08:07):
thank y'all for listening andand voting because we had to be
nominated and we, you know, weregiven these prestigious awards.
And and the thing is is I hadsome person who was an admin of
a group for abused people likeread how I went through and what
(08:34):
I went through and then made acomment that they thought it was
funny and I wrote back what isfunny, like what is funny about
a woman who was pregnant, whofought for their life Not just
my life, but my unborn child'slife and it just it's mind
boggling that you know, somepeople think they're this
bad-ass person on the other sideof a keyboard.
And now I found out people youknow, not only in Minecraft, but
(08:59):
you know Snapchat roadblocks.
They're all posing as youngerpeople.
Like, I already knew thatpeople are posing as younger
people, but, like Snapchat, areyou kidding?
People are posing as you knowyounger people to get
information and and get intotalking with kids and trading
(09:20):
pictures and things like that,and it's what is safe now for
our family?
What is truly safe now?
And that's the question thatnobody can seem to give an
honest answer to.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, we have at least two of our children.
They're well, they're notchildren.
They're, you know, 19 to 20 now, but they're mostly introverts,
so they stay at home.
And you know now?
But they're mostly introverts,so they stay at home and their
world revolves around videogames and cell phones.
That's just this generationgrowing up.
I don't know how to get themout of it.
(09:56):
You cut the line, you cut theumbilical cord, you cut them off
and then you've got Dr Jekylland Mr.
Hyde, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I just have a huge issue with.
I've always been someone who isnot fond of video games.
I've never been fond of videogames Don't do it, Don't do it.
And I've never been fond ofvideo games I mean we don't.
Today there's no video gameslike Frogger or Breakout or
(10:34):
anything like that, like thosegames don't exist anymore, right
?
But then my husband at dinnertonight is telling me about a
video game that he's playing,where he takes a shower with his
.
I don't even know what it wasoh, is that another npc
character?
okay, that's japanese to me,because I don't even know what
(10:55):
that is but like you know, andthen not long ago they called me
down and I went downstairs andthey're like killing zombies and
I'm like this is justdisgusting and I'm so against it
.
And they're like over theredead people, they're not real,
they're bleeding and you'remutilating and decapitating and
amputating right like hello.
I see my arm don't, don't watchthis.
(11:16):
I hate it.
I think they should like.
That's just me personally, butI since the games have become
more graphic violence amongyounger adults has become more
prevalent.
That is a fact.
It is a fact, you know.
People say where'd you learn toshoot while you're dead?
Oh, on my Game Boy or my Xboxor my whatever.
(11:39):
You didn't learn how to shooton your Atari when you had a
little joystick joystick.
You don't learn how to do that,right, you didn't.
And that just infuriates methat the kids are given these
tools for babysitting, like oh,I don't have to watch them,
they're gonna get lost in thesea you know dinner, and then
they don't take showers untiltheir hair is greasy, and then
(11:59):
they don't want to changeclothes and they go to sleep
with their headphones on andthey can do all this.
But then if you ask them, youknow, hey, hand me a phillips
head screwdriver.
Oh, they don't know what aphillips head screwdriver is,
and that's true it is true andit's you know.
Come on, let's do manual labor,let's go outside.
This is a thing, calledoutdoors.
There's a thing called abackyard.
(12:19):
Let's go out there and makesome memories and spend some
time together and when we hadthe other kids, our other kids.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Here we don't get very much because they don't
want to come away from theirtelevision it is.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I need a break.
I need to go back inside andplay after like 10 minutes
because that's all they want,right?
And I love our son.
I've loved him since he wasteeny, tiny little.
I change his diapers, right,and he comes over in his
suitcase and the only thing hehas in the suitcase is his pants
.
Fine, and that blows my mindlike how he's a great kid and
(12:55):
he's super smart.
But why is it that we are notreally trying to lift these kids
up and give them moreself-esteem?
When I say to him howincredibly smart he is, he looks
at me and goes you think so?
Really?
Yes, I do, I think he'sbrilliant.
He's so smart like we get those3d puzzles or whatever, and and
(13:17):
he puts them together and likeno time flat, but he wants to go
right back to the video game.
Right, and it's.
Do you realize how smart youare?
Do you see how smart you are?
And their self-esteem is solike low because they don't get
that interaction, and that's notokay it really upsets me and it
(13:40):
just makes me want to like,look at certain parents that
think that these are electronicbabysitters and ask them what
the hell is your malfunction?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So I think that they need another focus, another
motivation, something different.
You get a girlfriend.
Guess what those 19-hour videogames goes down to?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
four.
No, they play together on theif they play together, that's
different.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Okay, you get a job that 18 hours goes down to three
to four hours a lot of kidsdate people they play with on
the games they never know.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
They consider them like our girlfriend or whatever
you know, and it's like oh,they're from zimbabwe or
whatever you know, and that'swho I'm dating and yeah, yeah,
yeah, you know it's just likewow you know, it's mind-blowing
to me.
And then, uh, I just realizedthat it's the anniversary coming
(14:44):
up of the release of Mark.
Mark, he's there.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Already.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yo, it's been a year since this was released.
The 43rd book that my wife willbe publishing.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And it's just.
You know, kids today don't evenwant to pick.
I want to feel a book in myhand.
Singular I want to turn thepages and people like isn't that
easier for you to have like akindle or something?
Yeah, it would be, but I don'tget to feel the paper, I don't
get to turn the page.
I just scroll up right and rightand I can't stand it.
(15:24):
I want, and I have one hand.
So I want to know whateverybody else's excuse is, why
they don't want to hold a bookin their hand.
They just want to.
You know it's inconvenient orit's this or it's that Really?
No, it's not.
You know you're taking away oneof life's greatest pleasures.
Sit out, our world is on thehill.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It's just.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I mean there's no other way to summarize it.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
So, speaking of books , y'all get on Amazon and type
in Victoria Curie and look atthe books that she has published
out there.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
They're not all on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Correct, but pay particular attention to the two
the one in this other one wementioned, the one in this other
one we mentioned.
The NARC book is a prequel toher first book, which is a
memoir, and it's called whoKicked First.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
So check out.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Who Kicked First?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
and.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
NARC.
Narc, who's there, and, like Isaid, she's got several others
in there.
Our daughter has written andpublished five books.
They're fabulous.
Been a partaker of one of them.
In fact, I was the maincharacter of one of them.
Thank you very much, Boy.
(16:48):
What's wrong with your middlefinger, babe?
It has Tourette's.
It has Tourette's.
Okay.
So my wife's currently gettingready to publish another one
called Dear Silence and be onthe lookout for it.
Like I said, if y'all jump onour academy, go through a
Contagious Small website, youcan see what all is offered
(17:10):
through our academy.
There's well over 100 coursesin there and some of them are
master class material.
It should be priced in thehundreds and my wife won't do it
.
She said we will not do it If asurvivor is coming out of an
abusive relationship trying heror his damnedest to make it
possible to survive and thrivefor her kids or his kids and be
(17:35):
there for their family.
She's not going to gouge them,she's not going to overcharge.
That's why a lot of the classesare like $4.95.
And if you act now, it's still$4.95.
I don't think that you shouldhave to pay the fuel.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That's just what bothers me so much, and you go
back and you think about it LikeI look at it from my point of
view where I went through thisby myself back then.
I wish something was like thisout there.
I mean, there was courses outthere, but back then they were
like $800, $900.
(18:13):
Back then they were like eight,nine hundred dollars and you
know, I was trying to figure outhow I was even gonna, you know,
get the supplies that faithneeded at that point every month
.
I was living on like fourhundred dollars a month and
that's insanely crazy and it'sthe sacrifices that you make for
your child.
That's what you do and you don'thesitate, unless you have bio
parents, like we do, but that'sa whole other story and it's
(18:35):
it's what you do for your kidsand I I just believe in paying
it forward and helping thosethat need it.
You know I really do.
And at dinner tonight it reallygrabbed my heart because you
know the kids that have beengoing through the the trenches
of any kind of medical obstacles, because I don't like saying
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critical, chronic, disabled, Idon't like saying any of those
terms um people lead their livesand you know what shame on you
if you're listening.
Shame on you, because what thehell did they do to you?
You know, and one day you mightbe in that exact same spot, or
worse, and you are going to knowwhat it feels like to be all
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alone.
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Faith wouldn't do it faith would be right there
regardless.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But to go through something and know there's a
99.9 chance that you are notcoming home and that you know
you, you've all you've beenoffered to be comfortable, um,
and then you fight through it,you know I mean, and then to
abandon them because they're notused to you right now, and it's
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not just faith that this hashappened to it's happened to my
husband.
It's happened to me.
I am beyond honored and blessed.
Right now I'm working with thisamazing girl who is just a
spirit to be reckoned with, andshe knows who she is and she's
going through the same thing andit's like how can you do that?
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You know, you can pick, yournose, you can pick your ass, but
you can't pick your family Iguess, you know, and what a loss
for everybody else it's not aloss for us, it's a loss for
them, because in these days andtimes you are not going to find
a more loyal, understandinggiving person who will sit by
your side because they get itand they understand it and they
know how to do it, you know andthen you turn around and just
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crap all over them.
I don't know how you look atyourself in the mirror that's
all I've got to say, especiallywhen it comes to kids like young
kids or whatever.
I don't know how you look atyourself in the mirror.
You know I just ugliness spewsout from the inside and that's
horrible how you can just I meanat some point in time you're
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gonna need somebody forsomething, and I don't believe
in karma, I don't believe it'smine to give.
Sometimes I am human.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I want to hear about it, don't get it wrong, but I
will get it.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I will not give karma , um, but I do want to hear
about it.
And the thing is, is that youthink about these beautiful
children like that go throughthis pain and suffering lifelong
and they fight why do?
They fight because they knowthey're loved.
You know, they know like whenyou're in the NICU, girls
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outlive boys statistically andif you have two identical kiddos
, and one has a loving parentthat's there by their side,
loving on them, talking to them,singing to them, reading to
them, interacting with them.
And then you have a anotherinfant with the same exact
situation and they have nobodybut the doctors and nurses.
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That baby's not going to fightas hard because they feel no
need to.
Why why should I fight thishard?
And I know, and that goes allthe way up into the you know
older ages too.
You People die alone.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
They die of a broken heart.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
These are all things that are real and I don't
understand how some people havetheir heads in their asses.
That's just Okay.
I'm raw today, I guess.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
No, my wife and I saw it many, many a day, as we
stayed with our faith for twoand a half months, and then we
were only home for a very shortperiod of time.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
We were back in again .
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Right Day in and day out we saw bed after bed, Nobody
Children in there, young, youknow, toddlers Up to teens.
Oh my God, it was soheartbreaking because you know
we would stay with our daughteras much as I physically could,
working a full-time job and Inever left Taking care of dogs
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Right and we would walk thehallways just to get a little
exercise, but be right there byour daughter and we almost never
saw people.
Family members in certain kids'rooms.
It was so disheartening, it wascrazy.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I mean, we had a kid who was three doors down?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
who?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
died alone and it broke my heart.
Remember I was so devastated.
I mean, they had the clergy inthere and you know the thing is,
is you just want to grab theparent?
I don't care if you're at work,you can get another job right.
I don't care if you're at work,you can get another job right.
I don't care what the excuse is.
You know you have other kids.
If you get a phone call thatsays this child's not going to
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make it through the day and youcan't be there and that child
dies alone, I mean that justthat chokes me up because I
don't understand it.
I mean, I don't get it, even ifyou brought your other kids and
put them in the waiting areathey'll put, they'll bring a
nurse or somebody to sit outthere so you can be in there
with your child at that point,Right, and one of the nurses did
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say that they tried to call thefamily and you know a lot of
people say, oh, my kids in thehospital it's like a daycare or
a babysitting service, and it'snot not all people are like that
, but you know from forsomeone's point of view who has
lived in the hospital with theirkid.
You know we were in the make you, take you, pick you for
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basically the first six months.
You know most of the, I wouldsay the majority of the kids
were alone.
I understand if they're workingto keep the insurance but, you
best believe.
Somebody's going on disabilitylong-term disability, short-term
disability and somebody'scoming by every night as soon as
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they're off work.
I couldn't concentrate on work,I'd be fired.
I'd be fired because I'd belike no, I have to be there, I
don't care, I don't care, Idon't care, I just don't
understand.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I don't know where we're going with any of this.
When we first started thispodcast, we do everything
unscripted up here we just kindof say whatever's on our mind A
lot of time, you know, with mywife and I.
It's about family.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Well, and then I saw a video the other day of a I
don't even want to call him adad.
I'm going to put him in thesame category and say he's a
sperm donor.
He had a two-day-old baby andkilled his baby.
You know what the hell is thematter with you.
I mean seriously, what is wrongwith you?
These people you know, and thenthey want to cry.
Don't leave me in gen pop,don't put me out there.
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They're going to hurt me.
Well, what about that baby?
What about that baby?
Right, you're going to sitthere and cry and complain that
you don't want to get hurt.
Well, do you think that thatbaby wanted to get hurt?
Do you think that baby didn'twant to survive?
I mean, what about the baby'srights?
That just irritates me.
You know, I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know, he's not even a father.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
No, he's a donor.
How could?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
you destroy your child like that.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I understand.
I can't grasp it.
I don't understand it.
It took me over 40 solid yearsto really have an eye opening on
my biological parents and Ikeep telling that to Faith that
she's very lucky that she's seenit so early.
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We've always told her to makeher own decisions and not try to
taint the water, so to speak,with her.
But you know, you think aboutlike things that have been done
and when we almost lost her, um,all we heard was I tried, I
made a phone call.
You made a phone call, a phonecall you knew, he knew, she knew
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that we were there, they knewwhere we were and one phone call
is supposed to be okay.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I mean, you know your side didn't do it mine didn't
do it.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
And then, all of a sudden, my bio dad turns around
and says to her you know, I wantto put it behind, didn't do it.
And then, all of a sudden, mybio dad turns around and says to
her you know, I want to put itbehind us and move forward.
And then, um, but I want you toknow, I really didn't make an
effort.
And then our birthday comesaround and no phone call or
nothing, and she just keptchecking the phone and checking
my phone and you know, did hemessage?
did he message?
Did he message?
And I'm not gonna lie to her,no, and she's like why would he
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do that?
Why would he play these games?
With me, and now he's doing nocontact.
You know the silent treatment,which is a major trait that a
narcissist does.
The silent treatment is rightup that flagpole of one of the
tricks they pull out of theirhat, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Does that make you as we'll say?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
the victim at the time?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
does that make you, as we'll say, the victim at the
time?
Does that make you or therecipient of his silence think?
That hey, I'm guilty, I've donesomething.
What have I done wrong?
I need to pay, I need to comeback to his good side, shit like
that.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I did that my whole life.
I would be in a different stategeographically and something
would happen and I would getblamed for it and I would just
go to a parliament and followthe sword, metaphorically and
just be like you know, whateverit is, I'm sorry you did it,
I'll cover you know, whateverthe case is, and you do that to
get them talking to you again,and it's just part of their
cycle and the silent treatmentyou know, and then, you hear it
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Well, you're an adult.
You're an adult, I'm still yourkid.
I'm still your kid, I might bean adult but I'm your kid.
You know, and I hate whenpeople say why did you stop
talking?
To your elderly parents.
Why did you stop talking?
To your elderly parents Right.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So why don't you turn around for just a millisecond?
And ask what could they havepossibly done to make us stop
talking to them Right, Turn itaround and look at it Like what
could they have done?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
What you know.
These are the people that aresupposed to teach you what is
right and wrong?
They're supposed to teach youwhat is acceptable as a partner,
as a person, and you know whatdo and don't do in life.
And maybe that's when you havethe realization of what really
is and isn't, and instead it'sall what you've done after all
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they do for you and that's theirlittle flying monkeys that run
around talk bad about you andslam you and slander you and you
know, it's like when I wrote my.
I've been on again, off again.
No contact with my biologicalfamily for years and it's.
I wrote a book and they haven'tread it.
They refuse to read it right.
And it was just people asked mein the the who take first, how
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was I about them?
And I was very what's the termI'm looking for?
Subtle about who they are andwho picked first, because it
wasn't about them it was aboutme surviving abuse, and I
literally did not put in there99% of what transpired between
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us, because that's not what itwas about.
Right right and I've alwaysthanked them because they did
give me refuge.
They did allow me and faith tomove in after she was born.
She was over six months oldwhen they offered, but we paid
the price.
Believe me, we paid to be thereand I will forever thank them
(30:13):
for what they did, becausethat's the right thing to do and
I am thankful because we wereminutes from hospital at that
point.
But then again, you know,whenever they would get to, who
and how they were, I would getin front and not allow them to
do that to to my daughter,because my daughter needed
full-time care.
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She could not be taken care ofum by anyone unless it was
absolutely around the clock andI I did not go into any of the
narcissism and who kicked first,but then as time went on on and
I learned more and more aboutthings.
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I also saw really firsthand,because now I'm a mom, and I saw
how they were to my daughter inregards to you know, nothing
was ever good enough.
Or if my daughter would ask mymom to do something with her,
she didn't have the time but shewould drive an hour to go see
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my brother to take him a pad ofpaper, literally like.
That's not an exaggeration,that's literal, and my bio dad
used us as an excuse for hisextracurricular activities, and
it was told to me on numerousoccasions that if I ever opened
my mouth and told his wife, mymother, that he would make her
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believe that I made him havethis relationship right.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
No a narcissist would do that, would they?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And it's like how can I make you put your tongue in
her mouth?
How can I make you do otherthings right?
And there was so much going onand it was constant and it just
I couldn't believe it.
I took my daughter on a uhmother-daughter trip before she
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had a major surgery and hewanted to go and I would never
let him drive.
I drove, and so, long storyshort, I'm not going to give all
the details because you have tosee nart nart who's there and
NartNart who's there is not a.
He said.
She said it is.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I don't even know how you explain it.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
There are pictures, emails, text messages.
It's overwhelming in evidence.
There's more evidence thanthere is anything.
But I've redacted pictures,names, things of that nature.
But so we're on this definitelya good read thank you, we're on
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this little weekend whatever andknock, knock, knock on the door
the next day after we arriveand open it up and there is
somebody with their two year oldtoddler, who happens to be
younger than me, and my daughter, who is a.
How do you explain?
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She is a firecracker.
Yes, she's a firecracker.
She sat there.
She sat there and startedtaking pictures of them
canoodling with each other andthere's pictures of them kissing
.
She took pictures right andthen she had asked him to go to
a movie with her.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
She really wanted to go see a movie in the movie
theater.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
He said, no, I don't like those movies whatever
whatever well after you know, wewent and did our own thing.
I wasn't babysitting you knowthey tried to put that child off
on us and it was after dinnerthat first night we got a knock
on the door and the kidliterally just dropped off and
ran and they went out and theywent to a movie and I texted him
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and he stayed and he was in themovie with her right, he stated
how much he liked her and thenhe wrote me back after midnight
saying come open the the roomdoor, you know and this just
went on and onand I said this kid won't stop
crying.
I can't get this kid to stop.
And he was like, well, there'sa big empty bed down here.
You know this was after theirdate or whatever but these are
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things that are done bynarcissists.
But then they can never, ever,ever, ever, ever hold
accountability, ever they cannotdo it.
You know I mean and it's mindblowing, and most people are
afraid of my biological father,which for most of my life I
understood he was in.
(34:29):
I want to say this withoutgiving anything away he was
someone in power.
He he had a lot of power and heis someone who has the
mentality that someone who isfrom New York and Jewish is
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about power and money and heportrayed that every which way
he could Like.
It was all about that.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Like if you came around it was.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Let me show you my new toy.
Let me show you my new this Letme show you my new that this is
how much it's worth.
This is every I mean.
Is that not true?
Like you know you would comeover and it would be like oh,
let me show you my new whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
And it's not let me show you my $24 toy it's.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Let me show you my $80,000 vehicle or whatever you
know, and, and for the longesttime like the will was held over
my head.
You know you're not going toget anything if you don't do
this and you don't do that, andit's not about the monetary.
I wanted the items that belongto my grandparents because,
that's what meant the world tome is my grandparents and I
would keep their belongings inthe family forever, like I would
pass it on down to faith.
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It's not about monetary at all,and the will was held over me
for the longest time and Itotally fell in love with my
husband all over again when hetold him what did you say?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
to him.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
About what you want.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
No, I was going to present him with a prenup and
say the only thing I want fromyou is your daughter, right?
I don't give a shit aboutanything, that you have your
$80,000 Corvette, your $1.5million home.
I don't care about any of that.
Just give me.
(36:18):
I'm going to take your daughterand I'm going to take your
granddaughter.
That's it.
That's all I want, and I meanthat.
And we had the happiestmarriage, y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
This is my third wife .
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I messed up, you know , first, two times.
I should have married this oneback when I met her 25 years ago
.
But you know, hey, that's theway I am.
I'm hard-headed, I got to learnthe hard way, like most of us
guys.
But this is my soulmate and I'mgoing to fight to keep her.
I should have fought to get her.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Oh, you had me, you had me.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
But regardless.
I'm here, I'm her husband andthat's my daughter there.
My wife allowed me to adopt her.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I did and you cried during the adoption.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
If you stepfathers have the chance to adopt your
younglings.
I'd say do it Because it is thebest thing for you and them.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Let me tell you one thing that I can tell you, if
you are a survivor of narcissismin any way, let me tell you so
my bio father says to my husbandone day, out of nowhere, they
ran into each other andwe had been in no contact at
this point for years.
And he sees my husband and hetalks to him like 45 minutes and
(37:43):
then I hear about all this andthen we ended up having a
conversation and he actuallysaid to me and my husband heard
this, so he'll speak up here heactually I offered for him to
come on the show and he agreed,hesitantly, agreed and he said
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to me I don't know what we wouldtalk about and I was like well,
how about we talk about?
what it's like to have yourchild go through domestic
violence, right, and he was like, well, I don't have anything to
say about that.
And he said you need to haveyour mom on.
So I asked her you know, do youwant to come on the show?
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And she was like you won't likewhat I have to say because I
would say you chose to stay, soyou stayed, so you get what you
get.
But after speaking with himover and over again, we were
having a conversation, myhusband was sitting there and I
said you know you really shouldcome on and he's like, well, why
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don't we talk about?
he wanted to talk about where hehad all this power from
professionally and it wasn'tadvantageous for what we do
pretty much, and so I said no,why don't you come on and talk
about and he which is so weird,because anybody who knows him
knows that nobody puts him in acorner, like people fear him.
(39:12):
And I was like no, I really wantyou to come on the show.
I really want you to come onthe show.
He agreed to it and he evensigned a waiver stating that he
would in fact come on the show.
Stating that he would in factcome on the show.
And so what?
My husband is like standing uptrying to swat a fly,
distracting me, but he's notgonna.
Hey, did you get it?
Because you just probablypulled out people leaders.
(39:34):
Um, he said he was gonna comeon and he signed the waiver.
And then he says, well, I'm notcoming on until we have a
conversation about what you did.
And that's again trying to playslay mommy for his creative
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activities if you want to saybut it's the same thing, like on
.
You know both sides.
Like his mom, michael's mom,she reached out.
Well, she actually went to herbrother his brother to reach out
to have us try and talk withher and when she gets on the
phone, no accountability fortheir actions.
No, you know, I'm sorry um youknow why, didn't you and my
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husband asked her why didn't youand my husband asked her why
didn't you check on our?
daughter your granddaughter, andI didn't know if you'd want to
hear from us or hear from me andI mean, how do you answer that?
What is your advice to?
I don't remember.
Well, I do kind of rememberwhat you said, but like you know
?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
You're asking me if I remember.
Well, when she said to you Ididn't know if you would want to
hear from me when Faith was inthe hospital all this time, yeah
.
I don't remember what I said.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
You weren't happy about it.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
No, I don't remember what I said, and that's been
over a month, and she wanted tocall the following week and then
nothing again.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
But, it's just, it's mind-blowing, the genetic makeup
and the mind of a narcissist.
It really is, because anybodywho's gone through it and
understands they love the silentgame, they love never taking
accountability for their actions?
They never will they always putit off on someone else, like
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his mom when I became an amputee?
It's fine if you don't call andcheck on me, but you should
have checked on your son andyour granddaughter.
Her answer was well, she hadanother hand.
She could have called me withthat one.
I mean seriously, that's noteven funny, that's not even
remotely funny.
And my husband and I are notinnocent.
We're not perfect people by anymeans, but we own up to what we
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do we hold ourselvesaccountable for our actions.
So I mean have we made mistakesshort, not to enjoy every
single minute.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
You know, I can't tell you how we just laugh every
single night.
I mean, babe, every nightbefore we all turn in for the
night, I mean we are laughing sohard that our faces hurt
because we're just laughing sohard and that's how it should be
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.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
I mean, if you've ever seen grumpy old men or
grumpier old men.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
That is how my daughter and husband are.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I mean, it's hilarious to hear the two of
them.
They are always at it, but I'lltell you what their bond is so
thick and so real and they loveeach other so much.
It makes my heart so happy andthat's why I have said from
inception, the only person Iwould ever let be her dad is
michael, and you know they'll belike, oh, you putz back and
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forth, back and forth, but thenshe wants a daddy hug.
You know she wants to sit downthere for her daddy daughter
movie night and they curl up onthe couch.
She puts her head on hisshoulder and they watch horror
movies and it's just thesweetest thing and those are the
memories that you will haveforever and ever not what your
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highest score was, not how longit took you to beat.
Whatever game you're playing,it's about making memories with
those that love you, accept youand cherish you unconditionally
right babe.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yes, keep talking about the deposit, miss jay oh
my gosh, my husband.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
By the way, I surprised my husband over the
weekend and I will spell out thename, since there is one in the
room a-l-e-x-a, you can ask herto play a contagious smile
podcast and she does.
We are now there.
It is so exciting to know thatwe are now on that platform as
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well.
That is incredibly exciting,and we have so much coming up in
the future.
Here Again, I want to apologizeas my speech takes a turn.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
I've noticed it.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
So if I noticed it, I am sure others have noticed it
as well.
I am having this life changingsurgery here in less than three
weeks and it will affect myspeech, but I have my ride or
die here with me right babe.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I thought, you were talking about the girl.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yes.
I'm here and I will do my bestand he will be my corrector, if
you will.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Oh Lord, I slept through English y'all.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Did you say you slept with the teacher?
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Maybe, but no.
In the janitor closet, that too, and no, I slept through
English.
My husband was a reformed.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
What I was a cop, what Not all cops a whore, what
I was a cop, what Not all copsare whores.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
If there's a cop out there.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Go ahead.
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I was never a whore that has not been outside of
their marriage.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I've never been outside of a marriage.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
I said out there, listen, please write to me and
correct me.
Let me know there's rainbowssomewhere.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, you'll write up it Apparently.
You did it way too much.
I'm dropping my common sense inthe chair.
Seriously, no, not all cops arewhores.
I don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
All the ones I knew were no, they're not they were
Not, not.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
And then I hear these stories.
Oh my god, I'm not even goingto tell any of these stories.
I heard a story from my husbandover the weekend that I only
knew what I thought was thewhole story.
But I only knew like a quarterof the story, and so the quarter
of the story I knew was enoughstuff that was jumping your skin
right now, that's right.
Come here stucko.
Come here now, that's right.
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Uh, come here stuff, oh, stuck.
Oh, come here baby.
That's mama's boy and daddy'swearing her, so that's probably
why.
But I knew a quarter of thestory, the whole story rather
and instead I only know aquarter of the story and it was
not easy.
So imagine beloved, your bestfriend, your spouse, all of a
sudden correct what you thoughtwas the entire story into holy
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shit.
Are you kidding me While I'mdriving right?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Okay, let me stop right there.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
First of all, ladies, women, wives.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
If you honestly do not want to know, please don't
ask.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
But when I asked, you only gave me a quarter of the
story.
I thought it was the wholestory.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Because, as Jack Nicholson said, you can't handle
the truth, I can't handle thetruth.
You know I can Look how muchyou spazzed out.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Striving when I realized that you were trying to
be an Oreo cookie.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Well, there you have it, folks.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I mean seriously, there's no other way I can say,
and out of total respect andlove for my husband, I will not
go into the thing that makes yougo.
Like you know, but womenimagine your husband's body
parts in or on around, close tonear someone else.
(47:32):
That's not you right.
And then imagine them coming tosee you right after.
I'm just saying there's avisual.
And then and then imagine themcoming to see you right after
I'm just saying there's a visual.
And then imagine your sweetflower of life, your bride, the
love of your life, not yourroommate, not your other half,
not the ball and chain, but yourlove, your best friend, the
woman that you wake up to andsay thank God, having fond
(48:01):
location and that was on purposeof another man, another man
kissing her forehead, holdingher hand, moving the hair out of
her face, and let's just seehow they react.
I'm just saying, like, imagineanother man kissing my forehead
babe no, why?
Speaker 1 (48:15):
because?
Why?
Speaker 2 (48:16):
that's my area imagine another man kissing you.
That's what I do.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
That is what you do.
That is something between us.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
But see, I believe, and I've always believed, that
kissing is such an intimatething, Like it is such an
intimate act between two peoplewho care about each other.
I don't think so.
Why.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Because you watch movies all the time.
They kiss that's just acting.
Okay, so they're whores.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
So what if somebody wanted to kiss me on the
forehead?
It's just an act.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
No.
No that is something special.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
You hold hands with somebody that's an intent.
You sticking your tongue insomeone's mouth is not an intent
, it's just a kiss.
So if some guy wanted to reachup and play tonsil hockey with
me, you wouldn't care.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I would care more if he kissed you on your forehead
and held your hand.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
But you wouldn't care if somebody came up and tonsil
hockey with you.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
I would care more.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
So I can get out a name and say this person can
come up and stick his tongue inmy mouth and he'd be okay let's
just say he'd get less of awoman, okay you know me, I have
never in my life cheated onsomebody I was in a relationship
with, even when I should have.
I couldn't, I couldn't do it.
(49:34):
It's not in like, growing up Inever wanted to make my
grandparents unhappy ordisappointed in me and I was
raised with those old schoolthings right.
So like no, I couldn't imaginecheating.
Now I will call a spade a spadebecause I own what I do.
Don't get me wrong.
If I was remotely datingsomeone back in the day and I
(49:55):
was interested in someone else,I would break up with that
person and then go out with theother person later on, maybe the
same day, but I was done withone before I hung like, hung out
with another, and I was a goodgirl who kept her legs crossed
like I don't like forever.
I never just gave it out, I justdidn't believe in it, because
that's something so intimate andpersonal.
(50:16):
You don't just you know, youdon't you tend to the garden.
Like I don't just you know youdon't you tend to the garden, I
don't know, I'm just whatever.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
I don't know.
Alrighty, this just got realTalk about wife's garden, so let
me ask you are you nervousabout this upcoming surgery?
Speaker 2 (50:37):
So my wife has an upcoming surgery Because of the
abuse she went through.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Because of the abuse actually ask you Are you nervous
about this upcoming surgery?
So my wife has an upcomingsurgery because of the abuse she
went through.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Because of the abuse.
Actually, I have one thisFriday.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
She would literally wake up to that SOB pounding on
her head.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Straddling me as he straddled her.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Beating her with his fists.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Saying wake up, bitch .
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Give me something to drink.
I'm thirsty Because of all thatshe has lost her hearing.
She's almost completely deaf inher left ear and she is 100%
deaf in her right ear, so wehave to have surgery to correct
some of the issues that we'rehaving later on.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Now we've done a lot of surgery to try to correct it.
My jaws are replaced the rightI've had my eardrum completely
rebuilt and it fell apart likeswiss cheese and my husband's
gonna make steamboat williereference.
And then it fell down like it'snot upright, like it's supposed
to, and I've had to do allthese surgeries and, in all
(51:39):
reality, like a lot of surgeriesthat I've needed have had to go
on the back burner, becauseI've always waited until Faith
was stable.
If she wasn't everything I hadto go through, waited because
she's number one.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
That's great.
I want your tea, yes.
So we're waiting excitingly fora response back from none other
than the team from JamesPatterson for my wife.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
We got an email.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
We don't know if it's legit.
We don't know if it's real.
We're hoping, because my wifehas done a lot of celebrity
interviews.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Scott Hamilton especially coming back.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Been through James Patterson's masterclass.
It's a possibility, y'all.
I thought you were going to say.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
James Theder.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Oh, yes, Blacklist.
We've had Aram, which is Amir.
Come on the show and reach out.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
I have to say this Because anybody who watches the
Blacklist okay, number one, thatis a show that's probably one
of the best shows ever made ever, and james spader should get
every single freaking warpossible for this show.
But you watch the show and, yes, some people might not be able
to watch it because it could bea little graphic and gory to
(53:10):
people who aren't into this kindof show.
But the premise of the show ishe is on the fbi's most wanted
list, right, and you watch thisand he's brilliant.
And the more you watch the show, the more you're like I need a
Raymond Reddington.
I need a Raymond Reddington.
There should be a RaymondReddington for people who go
(53:31):
through domestic violence,because this man and his
character is just like you aremy Raymond Reddington, babe,
because he comes in in hisfedora and he he never hurt
people like all he does is killpeople.
He's never killed a good person.
He only hurts people whodeserve to be killed because
they hurt other people.
So, right, and you watch theseepisodes of him and he's just so
(53:56):
like, it's his personality,disposition that make his
character come to life.
And if I could interview him,johnny depp, keanu reeves, I'd
be, I'd be good.
I'm just saying, like it's thefact that this is a man who
literally only went after badpeople and he's made out to be
(54:18):
this monster.
There's some twists and turnsand there's some stuff in it
that's like, yeah, whatever, butthe overall premise of Reign of
.
Reddington is a must.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
So keep your fingers crossed.
Hopefully we can get somethinggoing on with James Patterson.
My wife emulates him a lot.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
He's a fabulous writer.
He doesn't write on a computer.
He writes with pencil and likelegal pad, which is amazing and
a lot of people don't know that.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
You have hundreds of them, I do.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
I have one in my bag.
You have one on the bed.
I have one next to the bed.
I have one in the shower.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
There's not one in the shower.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
But if I can make it work, I would, but like it was
so weird when I was watching hismaster class and participating
in it, Because he'd be like I'llbe at dinner and I'll take the
napkin and do the drink and I'llstart writing on it, and those
are how a lot of my books cometo life and I'm like I'm the
same freaking woman Right rightit's amazing, it's amazing.
I just don't have the team hedoes that takes all of his
(55:21):
napkins and paper and puts it toa document and you know that
you do it all yourself I do, Ido do that all myself and just
say do, do, I do, do all,whatever you're talking about up
with like a like oh, that was aan ear blip.
Or my like, when I have aspeech thing want to say no, you
(55:41):
can say do do, I know.
But I'm just saying, in thefuture, you know, I gotta be
able to be like.
That was one of those, you knowright things, but you didn't
answer the question and beforewe end this podcast question are
you worried about this ear?
Speaker 1 (55:53):
surgery.
No, I am not worried about thisear surgery.
No, I am not worried about thisear conversation, so thank you
for listening to what.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
I have to say this is the very first time ever and
all my hundred plus surgeries myhusband is taking off work to
go with me to pre-op.
I worry if you're worried.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
That's the only time.
Other than that, I have to staystrong for our family, and I'll
be sick.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Well, that may be true because I have to drive
home.
No, your daughter gets a crownand you take the furnace off the
floor Like, literally, you willjust pace the floor back and
forth and I look back and I go,is that how?
I was back in the beginning.
Holy shit, really yes, becauseanytime we leave the door open,
because it gets hot in the roomand anybody walks by Holy shit,
really yes, because anytime weleave the door open because it
(56:40):
gets hot in the room and anybodywalks by, he's like every time
somebody walks by it's been fourminutes 18 seconds.
I haven't heard anything.
I need an update and I'm likedamn, I didn't used to be like
that, that's exactly how I usedto be Holy crap.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
Are you complaining?
Speaker 2 (56:55):
No, but it's sweet.
I mean, I'm sorry, it would bea little nice for you to be a
little like that, just maybe 25%like that for me.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
I'm not going to show you I'm worried and have you
worry more.
It won't.
It'll make me feel better.
It'll make you feel better.
It'll show that I'm concerned,okay.
During my invitation, you madejokes about ever naming Hap off
(57:23):
Right as soon as I came out.
Right, that's how we are Right.
But you know you could haveshed a little, a little, did I
not shed tears with you?
No, before we did all this, youcould not stand up.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Are you kidding me, Babe?
Well, you kept standing up andyou're like I can't.
I got to go sit down.
I'm so tired, I got to go sitdown.
I standing up and you're like Ican't, I gotta go sit down, I'm
so tired, I gotta go sit down,I'm so tired.
And like babe they're wheelingme back in five minutes.
Go ahead.
It's more masculine to see thecaring side than withholding.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Let it be noted, audience, that I do have a
medical condition.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
No, no, I know you care, I know you care, I know
you care and you love me unlikeI've ever been loved before, and
that's what I cherish about you.
So much is because normally Iam a wreck going into surgery
out of fear of how faith isdoing while I'm in there, and
(58:18):
she used to have a doctor sitwith her.
Her grandmother was a doctor.
I would still be worried.
She had a doctor who was one ofher treating neonatologists.
I would still be worried backin the day.
Now, with you, who is not adoctor, I was more at ease.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
Thank you, doctor.
You're welcome doctor.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
You're welcome.
Doctor, Not doctor.
Not doctor, doctor, not doctor.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
Yeah, your three doctors take it up.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Whatever?
Speaker 1 (58:48):
Whatever.
So be mindful this weekend wemay or may not do a podcast,
absolutely will.
Depending on how my wife isrecovering, because I'll make
her ass sit in bed.
No, yes.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
I do.
No, I have a procedure Fridaymorning and then I have a
doctor's appointment four hourslater, so we will be going from
one to the other 48 hours.
We will be podcasting.
We did podcasting for pause 24hours after a massive surgery
and I sat there for three daysstraight.
We will podcast.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
Our listeners want to hear us.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
They want to hear you .
No, they want to hear youbecause everybody says my
husband tells everybody I'm nogood at podcasting.
He says it's Eeyore, everysingle person who has written it
.
I'm the ass.
Eeyore's not an ass, he's socute.
Eeyore's an ass.
No, he's ass.
Eeyore's not an ass, he's socute.
Eeyore's an ass he's not, he is, he's a donkey, he is the
cutest thing.
Anyway, everybody says he'sfunny, everybody says how funny
(59:47):
my husband is.
Eeyore's depressing you sitthere and you gotta give
yourself credit.
We would not be globally rankedpodcast if it wasn't for the
both of us.
It's our chemistry.
Everybody loves our chemistrybecause we're fun, we're funny,
we're hosted, we're real.
It's true.
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Y'all type in my name .
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
How many pages do I?
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
take up.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I can page that real.
Let's type in Victoria Curie.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Y'all type in her name, victoria Curie, on Google
or Bing.
How many pages is it?
Nothing but her, would you like?
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
to start getting that line right IMBD Cameo.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Oh, that's right, Michael's not in there.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Would you like to be?
Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Michael.
Jordan might be Would you liketo be.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Here is not Victoria Curie is on IMBD Would you like
to start getting more line rightand get more?
Why?
Because I'm starting, notVictoria Curie is on IMBD
Getting more lightweight andgetting more.
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Why?
Because I'm starting anengraving business downstairs
right below us and that's takingup a lot of my time.
Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
But you're not going to come away from a contagious
smile.
No.
Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
So why don't you?
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
We need a good name for an engraving business.
I like the one I did.
Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Well, what'd you do with it?
I?
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
don't rightly know, sir, I don't rightly know.
Oh, it is right here.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
If y'all can think of a good name, that kind of flows
with a contagious smile.
What we are, who we're about.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Maxina Smiles Engraving.
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Maybe y'all can help us out.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Hey, I came up with Junk and Disorderly.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
That's ours, that's right, that was awesome that's
trademark and LLC More healthy.
Anyway, thank you all forlistening to A Contagious Smile,
unstoppable with Victoria CuriePublished author of 41, soon to
be 42 books.
Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Doctorate times three oh God.
Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Lover of animals.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I love you.
I know we need to start puppiesagain.
I want a little puppy, I need alittle stuccoette, y'all keep
her in your prayers and thoughtsas she goes through this
massive surgery this comingFriday.
This one isn't a big one.
This one I'm doing in theoffice.
It's later in september,whatever.
(01:02:06):
Yeah, I need a little puppy.
Thank y'all.
Hey, babe, we need to talkabout this.
I need a puppy talking about itoff air I need a puppy.
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