July 21, 2025 • 35 mins
The Treatises of A Course of Love: Book Two
- A Treatise on The Nature of Unity and Its Recognition: The Second Treatise
- Chapter 5 - The Source of Your Call
In this episode of A Course of Love with Cheryl Forrest, the book club is looking at Book Two: Chapter 5 - The Source of Your Call. We would love for you to join us in our study of A Course of Love by Mari Perron.
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SPEAKER_04 (00:14):
Hello and welcome to A Course of Love Study with
Cheryl.
I'm Cheryl Forrest.
First, a big thank you to MariePerron for writing the book we
are currently studying called ACourse of Love.
You might consider purchasing mybook just for today, which we
are using as a companion in thisstudy.
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And look forward to sharing someperks with you in the future.
During this podcast, you'regoing to hear book club folks
that are in the room with me, aswell as other members on Zoom.
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As a book club, we've been goingfor many years, and we've
started this podcast so thatothers who cannot meet with us
may share the insights and thelove and really the humor of
this group.
Happy to see you join us in allof it.
Most importantly, as you beginthis study with us, choose to
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study and listen from yourheart.
Remind yourself often, you areprecious.
Whisper to yourself from yourheart through your day, with the
deepest of love, I am love, I amloved, I love.
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So let's begin.
Good morning, everyone.
We are in Treatise 2, Chapter 5,The Source of Your Call.
And we're going to start bytaking some nice deep breaths.
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Nice deep breaths.
Just breathing in warmth andrelaxation and letting go of
everything else.
This is our little time here.
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Now I'd like you to take a deepbreath and try to take another
deep breath without exhaling.
So keep trying to take morebreath in without exhaling.
And you'll notice it's nigh onimpossible.
So sneaky God, okay, created apattern for us with giving and
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receiving.
The only way I can receive moreof the Creator and oxygen is by
letting go.
So I'm constantly living ingiving and receiving.
I have to inhale and I exhale.
And if we...
thought that breathing is anexample of sharing.
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I'm inhaling the creator andoxygen and every other living
creature.
And on the exhale, I'm giftingit to everyone else.
So our whole life is dependenton giving and receiving as one.
But if we did it this way, ifyou were given a gift of a magic
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let's say a magic hose that hada gun on it.
And you were told that the giftwas every time you use that
hose, something miraculous wouldcome through that hose.
So you start filling containersand you put it aside.
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And each one of those containerswas ever that much more
beautiful, but you're hanging onto it.
You're constantly hanging on toit, but your curiosity and your
deep longing to find what'sbetter, what's more, what's
greater, what other magicalthings are there.
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The only way you can do that isto give those containers away or
to pour that hose out into theentire world.
So that the more you're pouringout, the more miracles, the more
wonder, the more colors, themore sparkles, the more insight,
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the more love goes out to theworld.
And the only way you can havethe depth of those miracles is
by keeping that hose running.
Now let's change that hose andhave you connected to the
Creator.
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to the wisdom of all that is, toall that is good, to all that is
love.
And it's coming into you.
And if you were to just hang onto it and say, mine, oh, this
love I feel is from God to me,and I'm going to hang on to it,
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you would get a one-time supply.
And that would be it.
But if you were so overwhelmedwith the wonder of it, you
couldn't help but share it, morewould be coming into you.
And the more that you gave away,the more of that love, that
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wisdom, that healing, thatinsight, that genius that the
Creator offers us, the more yougive it away, the more you
receive, the more you build uponit.
The wiser the knowledge, thedeeper the love, the truer the
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peace.
It just increases.
The more you're sharing, themore it goes away.
So giving and receiving are oneand the same.
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Any thoughts?
I couldn't hold it all.
It had to go.
It had to go.
Yeah.
You couldn't hang on.
Yeah.
And there is a part of that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:04):
Yes.
I am now a soaker hose.
SPEAKER_04 (07:07):
You're a soaker hose.
It's leaking out of you all thetime.
Okay.
I like it.
I like it.
All right.
Anybody else?
SPEAKER_00 (07:17):
The hose is a good analogy.
Absolutely.
And even holding our breath,that exercise.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The point that you're making.
SPEAKER_04 (07:31):
And it's big for this.
It's big for all of us.
I mean, in theory, we like theidea that giving and receiving
are the same.
We love that idea.
But in practice, we still kindof hang on to our own stuff.
All right.
And...
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It's like going to, let's sayyou're having a meeting and
you're with some builder andother family members about
building a new house for you,okay?
And you have all these ideasthat you feel God given to you
about windows that you want tohave in your house, all right?
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And so you're in kind of abrainstorming meeting and you
don't share it because it's youridea, because God gave it to
you.
So you build a fucking housewith no windows.
Okay, so we've got to remember,nothing is given to us to own by
ourselves.
It is only in the expression ofit that the wonder and the
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miracle starts to happen.
Okay, so we are on chapter five,the source of your call.
In order for you to more fullyunderstand the life that this
course calls you to, we mustalso talk of another aspect of
being called.
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While we have concluded thatwhen you listen to your heart,
you hear and are able to respondto the one call, this does not
mean that this one call has butone request to make of you, as
in a call to be a minister, northat it will come We have talked
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heretofore about a calling youfeel from within, as if you are
listening to a new voice thatwould reveal your talents and
desires to you.
This type of calling is acalling you feel from within.
comes as a light shone into thedarkness and it's revelatory in
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nature.
Other calls will come asannouncements, signs, or even as
seeming demands.
All call you to the presentwhere response is able to be
given.
All call you back to who you areas a divine being.
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Again, let me stress the presentmoment nature of being called.
A call is, at its most basiclevel, a means of communication.
If you're not listening, youwill not hear the calls that are
meant for you.
If you are looking only for aspecific type of call...
Like winning the 649.
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What are those numbers?
Okay.
Specific type of call.
You will miss many unlearningand learning opportunities.
Thus, recognition of thedifferent calls that may now be
heard is necessary.
The call that comes in the formof an announcement is the call
that carries with it noambiguity.
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The certainty of an announcementcan alert you that it is time to
act.
This might be considered thehighest form of call, the call
from the already accomplished tothe already accomplished.
Such a call signals an end tolearning from the lessons of the
past and a beginning of learningfrom the new.
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This course itself is such acall, an announcement of your
readiness for the new.
This is the all-encompassingcall, and it's not about
specifics.
Because it is not aboutspecifics, you may find yourself
still wondering what to do.
Thus, you must be aware of thecalls that assist you in knowing
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what to do.
These calls you may think of assigns, like literal signposts
along the roadway.
They alert you to turn yourattention in a particular
direction.
Calls that seem to come in theform of demands are often calls
that come to you from within theteaching and learning ground of
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relationships.
You may be literally called toaccount for certain attitudes or
behaviors.
You may also be called upon tocall others to account for their
attitudes or behaviors.
These last two calls, the callthat appears in the form of a
sign and the call that comes inthe form of a demand, are about
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specifics in a way that the callthat comes as an announcement is
not.
They represent the remnants oflearning from the past, the
final breaking of old patterns.
They may seem to signaldifficult times, but they are
times that must be gottenthrough and lessons that need to
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be Until you have fullyintegrated the truth that giving
and receiving are one, you willnot fully believe that needs are
not lacks.
It's big, big, big, big, big,big.
I'll do it saying that oneagain.
Until you have fully integratedthe truth that giving and
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receiving are one, you will notfully believe that needs are not
lacks.
Until you are fully integratedthe truth that giving and
receiving are one, you will notrealize that dependency is a
matter of the interdependency ofall that exists in relationship.
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Thus, all the calls that come toyou in the form of signs or
demands will be calls thatassist you in integrating this
learning and making it one withwho you are.
These lessons will bring who youare into focus within your mind
through the vehicle of yourheart.
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So we kind of, when the givingand receiving are perceived as
automatic and in many ways agift, even that sense of lack
becomes part of that gift.
Okay.
So very soon you're not seeingthings as lack, as
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possibilities.
Does that make sense to you?
Okay.
Another aspect of it is, It's apoint of view about lack, just
as it's a point of view aboutgrowth or value.
Does that make sense to you whenI say it?
So let's do it this way.
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If you had a funny feeling,cleverly described as a call,
you had a funny feeling that youshould check what the kids are
doing in the living room.
All right?
You might have called it yourspider sense, but it is a call.
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And you go in there and theyhave proven their artistic
tendencies, okay?
With anything they could find.
So you can imagine what isthere.
So that would seem that you werecalled to a great lack of
cleaning, okay?
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You're going, I don't have it inme to do this.
You're discovering it'simpossible It's impossible for
you to clean up that artisticrendering on everything with
everything.
So you get to phone somebody tocome and do it for you.
And when you phone somebody, youstart to laugh.
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And when you start to laugh, youchange everything about you.
You receive more and interestingthings.
I wrote down something for aclass I had last night, and I'm
just going to get it becausesometimes when I write things,
it sounds way more beautifulthan when I say it.
So hang on a second there.
So we were talking about DNAlast night and that your DNA
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conducts electricity.
Okay.
UNKNOWN (15:59):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (16:01):
It's sensitive to electrical magnetic waves.
Everything in your life...
Food, music, people, yourthoughts, they create an
energetic wave that your DNAreads and sends out to the body.
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So basically, your body isshowing you what all your
attitudes have been.
Okay.
So let's say, for example, thatI'm having a bad day.
I'm called into the living roomwhere...
Art is being displayed all overeverything I have, okay?
And I go into a shock andhorror, okay?
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Your DNA responds by shuttingdown your hormonal pathways into
your brain, and you will feelsad, frustrated, depressed,
upset.
Really angry, okay?
Just to think of all the workyou have to do.
But if you discover you'rehaving a really bad day looking
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at all this artwork, and you'reable to laugh at yourself and
laugh at the kids, quitepossibly even go in and create a
little art yourself, knowingthat you're going to have
somebody come in and clean it,there's a high vibrational
signal goes through your DNAsaying, And you will feel
lighter and more joyful.
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And it changes everything inyour body in that moment.
So it's your DNA, okay, thatreads the state you're in and
then readies and connects thebody.
So when you're coming from yourheart and linking heart and
mind, the DNA begins to openitself up to the subtler
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vibrations of creator, ofdivinity, of actual light itself
so that every thought everyfeeling you have every word you
utter every action you takeprograms your genes and it
realigns your body so it is morecapable of holding the i am or
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the god principle or the body oflight within you can turn this
body into a body of light whenwe're working from that place of
that heart mind link and we'reconstantly in that giving and
receiving The stuff that is aproblem, a trouble, quickly
becomes something curious,something we can laugh at, and
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something, more importantly,we're willing to ask for help
with if we need to.
And then that creates union.
I get to have a relationshipwith whoever it is that's
coming, possibly 10 people, toclean the living room, okay?
And the conversations and thefun we share about children and
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changes and meeting each otherand celebrating.
SPEAKER_01 (19:02):
question cheryl huh um so if you go into the living
room and your first reaction isshock and horror and you shut
down that pathway to your dnayeah and then a couple minutes
later you go oh this ishilarious does it like open back
up or do you have to sort it allover yeah
SPEAKER_04 (19:24):
no no it opens back up and you don't shut the access
to your dna it's your dna thattakes it on and And shuts the
pathways to brain, to thehormonal changes, the chemical
changes within the brain thatputs you into despair.
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And the laughter goes directlyto the DNA, which changes the
chemical makeups, puts you intojoy, and changes the whole body
in it.
Does that make sense?
Now, it's possible with ushearing a calling, and that's
going to be part of yourhomework.
Correct.
Recognize that you're actuallyperceiving what is a calling.
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So our sense of what is acalling is something other than
coming from our head.
OK, so anything that's talkingto us from within, from where
that heart and mind is there,not my list of what I think I
should do, but you've all hadcallings.
You've all felt it.
And, you know, it's a differentfeeling altogether.
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OK, so when we have thatcalling, we want to we want to
just basically rub our handstogether and go goody.
Goodie, I've got this to dealwith.
Okay, I can't imagine what themiracle is going to be.
I've got, I've had the callingto go into the living room and
discover, I have birthedartists.
Okay, all over, I birthed them.
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Actually, they seem to bebirthing stuff themselves all
over
SPEAKER_02 (20:50):
the place.
And
SPEAKER_04 (20:52):
I can find the, I can still go back to that
amazing moment that I had thecalling, the impetus, the God
given to go into the living roombefore it was complete.
And I can go, thank you, God,okay?
You got me here on time.
And that sense of humor,immediately take a lot of
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pictures, post it on everythingthere is, and then have many
other families go, yeah, I knowwhat happens there, okay?
And share.
It's sharing this delight ofbeing able to walk as the God
that you are, madly in love witheven chaos.
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So
SPEAKER_00 (21:35):
you're
SPEAKER_04 (21:36):
recognizing there was a calling.
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I'm going to deal with lack or aproblem or an issue.
It becomes a creative gift.
It all becomes a creative giftand you get to love your way
through the process.
SPEAKER_01 (22:21):
Cheryl, how does grief differ from that,
especially something tragic?
SPEAKER_04 (22:29):
So grief is a mourning of the loss, okay?
And it's different foreverybody.
For you guys, you know thatthey've just left their body and
you still have a sense of thembeing around or you going and
visiting when you leave yourbody at night or feeling them
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around you.
But grief is really about theloss of the physical presence
that is shared.
Okay.
You know, we're sitting in theroom.
I've got people in the room herewith me.
We're sitting in the room andwe're all sharing particles.
We're all sharing bits of eachother.
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We give each other a hug.
We're sharing skin cells, okay?
Sometimes viruses, okay?
There's all kinds of things weshare with each other.
But it is a part of our becomingone with everyone.
So when they leave, it leavesempty spaces within us.
And it also makes our heart feelhollow.
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And it also brings up fear ifI'm not working from love.
Does that make sense?
Who will I be without them?
How will I be without them?
what's my three o'clock coffeetime going to be when they're
not here anymore?
So we have to, they pull awayand they leave space and we have
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to find new ways of fillingthose spaces.
Usually
SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
with ourselves.
I'm thinking more of the, likesometimes there's a shock if
something's tragic or whatever,there's things that happen.
Does that tie into the DNAthing?
SPEAKER_04 (24:12):
Of course, everything you, every single
thing you think Everything youexperience, your DNA takes in
and sends to the rest of thebody.
Okay.
So absolutely everything happenswith it.
For you guys, the shock's goingto be, holy fuck, I thought this
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room used to be pink and nowit's blue.
Okay.
With little pink flowers somehowin it.
So that shock is the same as anyshock that we have.
Like somebody just ran into yourcar, shock that you have.
Your body readies you fordealing with that shock.
But you guys, are bringing inthe creator's energy.
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And so when you're bringing inthe creator's energy, there is a
physical shock that says, are weokay?
Touch every part of you.
Are we okay?
Yep, we're okay.
That creator's energy comesthrough.
Let's check and see how theyare.
Let's find out if there's anyway we can help.
Let's take a step, hold theirhand, help them through it.
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We can do it together.
I'm not mad at you.
Accidents happen.
Let's move forward.
So for you guys, I'm expecting amoment of shock at the car
accident, but I'm expecting youto calm and heal and reassure
them.
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Does that make sense?
Is there a
SPEAKER_00 (25:45):
way, there seems to be some people after grief that
stay in that
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
process for a very long time.
SPEAKER_04 (25:54):
Like I'm thinking, you know, when they get to the
year, two years, three years,five years.
Are you talking about like whensomebody passes?
UNKNOWN (26:02):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (26:03):
Yeah, when their loved one passes.
Some people grieve for a verylong time.
Yeah, they
SPEAKER_04 (26:08):
don't let go of the grief.
They don't let go
SPEAKER_00 (26:10):
of it.
Is there a way to help themto...
come back to the present?
SPEAKER_04 (26:17):
So every person's grief process is their personal
grief process.
And there are definitely, youknow, they've described it in
different stages, but we stillgo through it.
And I do know people who havelost someone and years and years
later, they still deeply missthem and cry over them, whether
it was a person or an animal ora child or a friend, they still
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cry over and feel stuck in thatsense of loss.
But typically what happens as wemove through the loss and the
stages of that loss, we get togo to the happy memories after
that.
Then we have happy memories.
We're not stuck on the point ofpain.
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We're not stuck on that point.
We have happy memories.
Okay, does that make sense?
We're just encouraging them tothink about the happy memories.
Yeah, and to realize they stillhave a life, they still have
friends, they still have family,and that person is happy where
they are.
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They're moving on into theCreator's world.
What I've done is...
Can you guys hear her?
If it constantly comes up
SPEAKER_03 (27:38):
as an issue of pain, I express them.
I said, well, that just meansthat they've imprinted on your
heart their love.
And think of it as love thatyou're receiving every time you
feel that.
And that seems to ease itsomewhat.
SPEAKER_04 (27:57):
That's beautiful.
That's absolutely gorgeous.
Because I
SPEAKER_03 (28:01):
really believe that's what it is.
SPEAKER_04 (28:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's absolutely beautiful.
Okay, you got it.
Her answer works.
Any other questions,
SPEAKER_03 (28:13):
you guys?
I have a question about this oneline.
You may also be called upon tocall others to account for the
attitudes or behaviors.
And I think...
like it's getting easier tocatch myself or to call myself,
Oh no, this is a fear responseor this emotional overload is
not because it's a negativething.
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It's just that, you know, youhave to kind of let the emotion
settle first and then approachit from a different way.
But I seem to, and I think maybethis runs into this idea of, of
us remembering what our power isor our divinity.
And that I struggle with the egocomponent of that, where, like
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if something happens, let's sayat work, where you kind of know
it's wrong, but you've beenoffended personally.
And this happened recently tome.
And so I know that I have to saysomething, but I really, for a
long time, was like, is thisjust my ego because I'm annoyed
that this happened?
Or is this something that, youknow, other people are at risk
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and you really should saysomething despite knowing
there's going to be conflict onthe other side?
Like, I think the differencebetween the calling And the ego,
for me, I'm still maybe...
Good point.
Confusing.
SPEAKER_04 (29:31):
So we...
Some of us, okay, not pointingat you, but some of us feel that
if I am a spiritual person on aspiritual path, it should be all
peace, love, and joy.
Okay.
And if I'm feeling, I'mconfronted with something that
needs to be addressed, I don'taddress it because it's not
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being spiritual.
Well, sometimes it's reallyimportant for you to stand up
for the laws of love, not justJustice keeps us in karma, in
the beliefs of karma.
Well, someday they'll get theirup and comings, okay, from it.
So we feel that there'll bepayback at some point or
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another.
But under the laws of love,which is what we're moving
through and representing on theplanet at this point in time, we
can have conversations about abetter way of saying something
or a truer way of sayingsomething that is more
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harmonious with the situation.
We could phrase it from thatway.
We can also go, well, in thatsituation, did you get the kind
of results you wanted to get?
Ask them questions.
Did you get the results?
Okay.
And they'll go, no.
Perhaps a better way of puttingit would have been blah, blah,
blah.
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Or a newer way of looking at itwould have been blah, blah,
blah.
How can I help you?
Let's brainstorm here and try tofind a better way to go through
this the next time around.
So we can be part of that puzzlewithout feeling like it's our
job to point the finger.
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Does that help?
SPEAKER_03 (31:20):
Yep.
Okay.
Okay.
And I think too, maybe that theinitial emotional response that
maybe we get better at the passthrough being quicker of the
emotion, but there's no way Icould have acted upon it in the
moment of it happening.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_04 (31:41):
So then you could, that's a good point.
Then you can walk away and go,is this really a call for me?
Is this my ego going?
I can hardly wait to tell you tofuck off.
SPEAKER_02 (31:50):
Okay.
Or I mean, yes.
Yeah.
This is my moment.
I've been waiting
SPEAKER_04 (31:58):
for it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That moment.
Yeah.
No.
Okay.
So then, and those of us backaway and go, am I really called?
Am I really called to do this?
So if you're being called tohave confront a person with
blah, blah, blah.
If you're being called to it,this is an act of healing.
Okay.
This is not ego.
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All right.
Ego.
would go let me at him okay andyou would tear him apart just
say okay but if it's a callingthere's a tenderness in there it
warms you and you're hesitantbecause you feel vulnerable
because you're offering love toa difficult situation this is an
act of healing Anytime you'recalled to have a confrontation,
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it is not a defense.
And never take that.
If you're called to talk to themabout blah, blah, blah, you
don't have to do it at thatmoment where it would be an
active defense.
Settle down, go in, find thatcalling, and then approach it
from that place of tendernessand sharing and healing.
SPEAKER_00 (33:03):
Cheryl, is there ever a time when stepping away
is a part of the calling?
SPEAKER_04 (33:08):
Sure.
The world's pretty complicatedand pretty creative.
So you've got to learn to listento what that calling is, the
particulars of that calling.
Yeah.
Any other questions?
SPEAKER_01 (33:29):
I have a question kind of on a whole different
tangent, but about theelectricity response of the DNA.
And I'm wondering about externalsources of electricity, like
that are in our environment andBluetooth devices and Wi-Fi and.
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It's
SPEAKER_04 (33:56):
all going to have an influence on you, on you.
Okay.
To some, degree or another ifi'm afraid of it it's going to
cripple me okay and because i'min low vibration if i'm
vibrating from high vibrationsokay high light-based vibrations
definitely from the i am or thegod principle it passes through
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gotcha okay so it's what youthink Your DNA and your body
responds to how you think.
So if you're going, okay?
I mean, there's no way I'mputting my hand on a burner.
It doesn't matter how much Ithink it's cool.
I'm going to burn my hand, okay?
Just a warning to all of you whowant to try that, all right?
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That's not going to happen inhere.
So there's practical responsesto all things for the care of
the body, okay?
But there's a lot of stuff we doto ourself because we're not
loving people.
towards ourselves.
We spend way too much timebullying our body.
Okay.
All right, you guys.
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We'll see you soon.
Have fun with this one.
Lots of love to you.
Hello and welcome to A Course of Love Study with
Cheryl.
I'm Cheryl Forrest.
First, a big thank you to MariePerron for writing the book we
are currently studying called ACourse of Love.
You might consider purchasing mybook just for today, which we
are using as a companion in thisstudy.
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Books and meditation CDs can befound in the show notes below.
A big thanks to all of you whowish to support us through
Patreon.
The links are below.
And look forward to sharing someperks with you in the future.
During this podcast, you'regoing to hear book club folks
that are in the room with me, aswell as other members on Zoom.
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As a book club, we've been goingfor many years, and we've
started this podcast so thatothers who cannot meet with us
may share the insights and thelove and really the humor of
this group.
Happy to see you join us in allof it.
Most importantly, as you beginthis study with us, choose to
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study and listen from yourheart.
Remind yourself often, you areprecious.
Whisper to yourself from yourheart through your day, with the
deepest of love, I am love, I amloved, I love.
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So let's begin.
Good morning, everyone.
We are in Treatise 2, Chapter 5,The Source of Your Call.
And we're going to start bytaking some nice deep breaths.
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Nice deep breaths.
Just breathing in warmth andrelaxation and letting go of
everything else.
This is our little time here.
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Now I'd like you to take a deepbreath and try to take another
deep breath without exhaling.
So keep trying to take morebreath in without exhaling.
And you'll notice it's nigh onimpossible.
So sneaky God, okay, created apattern for us with giving and
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receiving.
The only way I can receive moreof the Creator and oxygen is by
letting go.
So I'm constantly living ingiving and receiving.
I have to inhale and I exhale.
And if we...
thought that breathing is anexample of sharing.
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I'm inhaling the creator andoxygen and every other living
creature.
And on the exhale, I'm giftingit to everyone else.
So our whole life is dependenton giving and receiving as one.
But if we did it this way, ifyou were given a gift of a magic
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let's say a magic hose that hada gun on it.
And you were told that the giftwas every time you use that
hose, something miraculous wouldcome through that hose.
So you start filling containersand you put it aside.
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And each one of those containerswas ever that much more
beautiful, but you're hanging onto it.
You're constantly hanging on toit, but your curiosity and your
deep longing to find what'sbetter, what's more, what's
greater, what other magicalthings are there.
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The only way you can do that isto give those containers away or
to pour that hose out into theentire world.
So that the more you're pouringout, the more miracles, the more
wonder, the more colors, themore sparkles, the more insight,
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the more love goes out to theworld.
And the only way you can havethe depth of those miracles is
by keeping that hose running.
Now let's change that hose andhave you connected to the
Creator.
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to the wisdom of all that is, toall that is good, to all that is
love.
And it's coming into you.
And if you were to just hang onto it and say, mine, oh, this
love I feel is from God to me,and I'm going to hang on to it,
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you would get a one-time supply.
And that would be it.
But if you were so overwhelmedwith the wonder of it, you
couldn't help but share it, morewould be coming into you.
And the more that you gave away,the more of that love, that
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wisdom, that healing, thatinsight, that genius that the
Creator offers us, the more yougive it away, the more you
receive, the more you build uponit.
The wiser the knowledge, thedeeper the love, the truer the
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peace.
It just increases.
The more you're sharing, themore it goes away.
So giving and receiving are oneand the same.
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Any thoughts?
I couldn't hold it all.
It had to go.
It had to go.
Yeah.
You couldn't hang on.
Yeah.
And there is a part of that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:04):
Yes.
I am now a soaker hose.
SPEAKER_04 (07:07):
You're a soaker hose.
It's leaking out of you all thetime.
Okay.
I like it.
I like it.
All right.
Anybody else?
SPEAKER_00 (07:17):
The hose is a good analogy.
Absolutely.
And even holding our breath,that exercise.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The point that you're making.
SPEAKER_04 (07:31):
And it's big for this.
It's big for all of us.
I mean, in theory, we like theidea that giving and receiving
are the same.
We love that idea.
But in practice, we still kindof hang on to our own stuff.
All right.
And...
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It's like going to, let's sayyou're having a meeting and
you're with some builder andother family members about
building a new house for you,okay?
And you have all these ideasthat you feel God given to you
about windows that you want tohave in your house, all right?
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And so you're in kind of abrainstorming meeting and you
don't share it because it's youridea, because God gave it to
you.
So you build a fucking housewith no windows.
Okay, so we've got to remember,nothing is given to us to own by
ourselves.
It is only in the expression ofit that the wonder and the
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miracle starts to happen.
Okay, so we are on chapter five,the source of your call.
In order for you to more fullyunderstand the life that this
course calls you to, we mustalso talk of another aspect of
being called.
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While we have concluded thatwhen you listen to your heart,
you hear and are able to respondto the one call, this does not
mean that this one call has butone request to make of you, as
in a call to be a minister, northat it will come We have talked
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heretofore about a calling youfeel from within, as if you are
listening to a new voice thatwould reveal your talents and
desires to you.
This type of calling is acalling you feel from within.
comes as a light shone into thedarkness and it's revelatory in
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nature.
Other calls will come asannouncements, signs, or even as
seeming demands.
All call you to the presentwhere response is able to be
given.
All call you back to who you areas a divine being.
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Again, let me stress the presentmoment nature of being called.
A call is, at its most basiclevel, a means of communication.
If you're not listening, youwill not hear the calls that are
meant for you.
If you are looking only for aspecific type of call...
Like winning the 649.
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What are those numbers?
Okay.
Specific type of call.
You will miss many unlearningand learning opportunities.
Thus, recognition of thedifferent calls that may now be
heard is necessary.
The call that comes in the formof an announcement is the call
that carries with it noambiguity.
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The certainty of an announcementcan alert you that it is time to
act.
This might be considered thehighest form of call, the call
from the already accomplished tothe already accomplished.
Such a call signals an end tolearning from the lessons of the
past and a beginning of learningfrom the new.
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This course itself is such acall, an announcement of your
readiness for the new.
This is the all-encompassingcall, and it's not about
specifics.
Because it is not aboutspecifics, you may find yourself
still wondering what to do.
Thus, you must be aware of thecalls that assist you in knowing
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what to do.
These calls you may think of assigns, like literal signposts
along the roadway.
They alert you to turn yourattention in a particular
direction.
Calls that seem to come in theform of demands are often calls
that come to you from within theteaching and learning ground of
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relationships.
You may be literally called toaccount for certain attitudes or
behaviors.
You may also be called upon tocall others to account for their
attitudes or behaviors.
These last two calls, the callthat appears in the form of a
sign and the call that comes inthe form of a demand, are about
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specifics in a way that the callthat comes as an announcement is
not.
They represent the remnants oflearning from the past, the
final breaking of old patterns.
They may seem to signaldifficult times, but they are
times that must be gottenthrough and lessons that need to
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be Until you have fullyintegrated the truth that giving
and receiving are one, you willnot fully believe that needs are
not lacks.
It's big, big, big, big, big,big.
I'll do it saying that oneagain.
Until you have fully integratedthe truth that giving and
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receiving are one, you will notfully believe that needs are not
lacks.
Until you are fully integratedthe truth that giving and
receiving are one, you will notrealize that dependency is a
matter of the interdependency ofall that exists in relationship.
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Thus, all the calls that come toyou in the form of signs or
demands will be calls thatassist you in integrating this
learning and making it one withwho you are.
These lessons will bring who youare into focus within your mind
through the vehicle of yourheart.
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So we kind of, when the givingand receiving are perceived as
automatic and in many ways agift, even that sense of lack
becomes part of that gift.
Okay.
So very soon you're not seeingthings as lack, as
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possibilities.
Does that make sense to you?
Okay.
Another aspect of it is, It's apoint of view about lack, just
as it's a point of view aboutgrowth or value.
Does that make sense to you whenI say it?
So let's do it this way.
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If you had a funny feeling,cleverly described as a call,
you had a funny feeling that youshould check what the kids are
doing in the living room.
All right?
You might have called it yourspider sense, but it is a call.
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And you go in there and theyhave proven their artistic
tendencies, okay?
With anything they could find.
So you can imagine what isthere.
So that would seem that you werecalled to a great lack of
cleaning, okay?
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You're going, I don't have it inme to do this.
You're discovering it'simpossible It's impossible for
you to clean up that artisticrendering on everything with
everything.
So you get to phone somebody tocome and do it for you.
And when you phone somebody, youstart to laugh.
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And when you start to laugh, youchange everything about you.
You receive more and interestingthings.
I wrote down something for aclass I had last night, and I'm
just going to get it becausesometimes when I write things,
it sounds way more beautifulthan when I say it.
So hang on a second there.
So we were talking about DNAlast night and that your DNA
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conducts electricity.
Okay.
UNKNOWN (15:59):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (16:01):
It's sensitive to electrical magnetic waves.
Everything in your life...
Food, music, people, yourthoughts, they create an
energetic wave that your DNAreads and sends out to the body.
(16:22):
So basically, your body isshowing you what all your
attitudes have been.
Okay.
So let's say, for example, thatI'm having a bad day.
I'm called into the living roomwhere...
Art is being displayed all overeverything I have, okay?
And I go into a shock andhorror, okay?
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Your DNA responds by shuttingdown your hormonal pathways into
your brain, and you will feelsad, frustrated, depressed,
upset.
Really angry, okay?
Just to think of all the workyou have to do.
But if you discover you'rehaving a really bad day looking
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at all this artwork, and you'reable to laugh at yourself and
laugh at the kids, quitepossibly even go in and create a
little art yourself, knowingthat you're going to have
somebody come in and clean it,there's a high vibrational
signal goes through your DNAsaying, And you will feel
lighter and more joyful.
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And it changes everything inyour body in that moment.
So it's your DNA, okay, thatreads the state you're in and
then readies and connects thebody.
So when you're coming from yourheart and linking heart and
mind, the DNA begins to openitself up to the subtler
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vibrations of creator, ofdivinity, of actual light itself
so that every thought everyfeeling you have every word you
utter every action you takeprograms your genes and it
realigns your body so it is morecapable of holding the i am or
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the god principle or the body oflight within you can turn this
body into a body of light whenwe're working from that place of
that heart mind link and we'reconstantly in that giving and
receiving The stuff that is aproblem, a trouble, quickly
becomes something curious,something we can laugh at, and
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something, more importantly,we're willing to ask for help
with if we need to.
And then that creates union.
I get to have a relationshipwith whoever it is that's
coming, possibly 10 people, toclean the living room, okay?
And the conversations and thefun we share about children and
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changes and meeting each otherand celebrating.
SPEAKER_01 (19:02):
question cheryl huh um so if you go into the living
room and your first reaction isshock and horror and you shut
down that pathway to your dnayeah and then a couple minutes
later you go oh this ishilarious does it like open back
up or do you have to sort it allover yeah
SPEAKER_04 (19:24):
no no it opens back up and you don't shut the access
to your dna it's your dna thattakes it on and And shuts the
pathways to brain, to thehormonal changes, the chemical
changes within the brain thatputs you into despair.
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And the laughter goes directlyto the DNA, which changes the
chemical makeups, puts you intojoy, and changes the whole body
in it.
Does that make sense?
Now, it's possible with ushearing a calling, and that's
going to be part of yourhomework.
Correct.
Recognize that you're actuallyperceiving what is a calling.
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So our sense of what is acalling is something other than
coming from our head.
OK, so anything that's talkingto us from within, from where
that heart and mind is there,not my list of what I think I
should do, but you've all hadcallings.
You've all felt it.
And, you know, it's a differentfeeling altogether.
(20:25):
OK, so when we have thatcalling, we want to we want to
just basically rub our handstogether and go goody.
Goodie, I've got this to dealwith.
Okay, I can't imagine what themiracle is going to be.
I've got, I've had the callingto go into the living room and
discover, I have birthedartists.
Okay, all over, I birthed them.
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Actually, they seem to bebirthing stuff themselves all
over
SPEAKER_02 (20:50):
the place.
And
SPEAKER_04 (20:52):
I can find the, I can still go back to that
amazing moment that I had thecalling, the impetus, the God
given to go into the living roombefore it was complete.
And I can go, thank you, God,okay?
You got me here on time.
And that sense of humor,immediately take a lot of
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pictures, post it on everythingthere is, and then have many
other families go, yeah, I knowwhat happens there, okay?
And share.
It's sharing this delight ofbeing able to walk as the God
that you are, madly in love witheven chaos.
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So
SPEAKER_00 (21:35):
you're
SPEAKER_04 (21:36):
recognizing there was a calling.
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I'm going to deal with lack or aproblem or an issue.
It becomes a creative gift.
It all becomes a creative giftand you get to love your way
through the process.
SPEAKER_01 (22:21):
Cheryl, how does grief differ from that,
especially something tragic?
SPEAKER_04 (22:29):
So grief is a mourning of the loss, okay?
And it's different foreverybody.
For you guys, you know thatthey've just left their body and
you still have a sense of thembeing around or you going and
visiting when you leave yourbody at night or feeling them
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around you.
But grief is really about theloss of the physical presence
that is shared.
Okay.
You know, we're sitting in theroom.
I've got people in the room herewith me.
We're sitting in the room andwe're all sharing particles.
We're all sharing bits of eachother.
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We give each other a hug.
We're sharing skin cells, okay?
Sometimes viruses, okay?
There's all kinds of things weshare with each other.
But it is a part of our becomingone with everyone.
So when they leave, it leavesempty spaces within us.
And it also makes our heart feelhollow.
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And it also brings up fear ifI'm not working from love.
Does that make sense?
Who will I be without them?
How will I be without them?
what's my three o'clock coffeetime going to be when they're
not here anymore?
So we have to, they pull awayand they leave space and we have
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to find new ways of fillingthose spaces.
Usually
SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
with ourselves.
I'm thinking more of the, likesometimes there's a shock if
something's tragic or whatever,there's things that happen.
Does that tie into the DNAthing?
SPEAKER_04 (24:12):
Of course, everything you, every single
thing you think Everything youexperience, your DNA takes in
and sends to the rest of thebody.
Okay.
So absolutely everything happenswith it.
For you guys, the shock's goingto be, holy fuck, I thought this
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room used to be pink and nowit's blue.
Okay.
With little pink flowers somehowin it.
So that shock is the same as anyshock that we have.
Like somebody just ran into yourcar, shock that you have.
Your body readies you fordealing with that shock.
But you guys, are bringing inthe creator's energy.
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And so when you're bringing inthe creator's energy, there is a
physical shock that says, are weokay?
Touch every part of you.
Are we okay?
Yep, we're okay.
That creator's energy comesthrough.
Let's check and see how theyare.
Let's find out if there's anyway we can help.
Let's take a step, hold theirhand, help them through it.
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We can do it together.
I'm not mad at you.
Accidents happen.
Let's move forward.
So for you guys, I'm expecting amoment of shock at the car
accident, but I'm expecting youto calm and heal and reassure
them.
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Does that make sense?
Is there a
SPEAKER_00 (25:45):
way, there seems to be some people after grief that
stay in that
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
process for a very long time.
SPEAKER_04 (25:54):
Like I'm thinking, you know, when they get to the
year, two years, three years,five years.
Are you talking about like whensomebody passes?
UNKNOWN (26:02):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (26:03):
Yeah, when their loved one passes.
Some people grieve for a verylong time.
Yeah, they
SPEAKER_04 (26:08):
don't let go of the grief.
They don't let go
SPEAKER_00 (26:10):
of it.
Is there a way to help themto...
come back to the present?
SPEAKER_04 (26:17):
So every person's grief process is their personal
grief process.
And there are definitely, youknow, they've described it in
different stages, but we stillgo through it.
And I do know people who havelost someone and years and years
later, they still deeply missthem and cry over them, whether
it was a person or an animal ora child or a friend, they still
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cry over and feel stuck in thatsense of loss.
But typically what happens as wemove through the loss and the
stages of that loss, we get togo to the happy memories after
that.
Then we have happy memories.
We're not stuck on the point ofpain.
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We're not stuck on that point.
We have happy memories.
Okay, does that make sense?
We're just encouraging them tothink about the happy memories.
Yeah, and to realize they stillhave a life, they still have
friends, they still have family,and that person is happy where
they are.
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They're moving on into theCreator's world.
What I've done is...
Can you guys hear her?
If it constantly comes up
SPEAKER_03 (27:38):
as an issue of pain, I express them.
I said, well, that just meansthat they've imprinted on your
heart their love.
And think of it as love thatyou're receiving every time you
feel that.
And that seems to ease itsomewhat.
SPEAKER_04 (27:57):
That's beautiful.
That's absolutely gorgeous.
Because I
SPEAKER_03 (28:01):
really believe that's what it is.
SPEAKER_04 (28:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's absolutely beautiful.
Okay, you got it.
Her answer works.
Any other questions,
SPEAKER_03 (28:13):
you guys?
I have a question about this oneline.
You may also be called upon tocall others to account for the
attitudes or behaviors.
And I think...
like it's getting easier tocatch myself or to call myself,
Oh no, this is a fear responseor this emotional overload is
not because it's a negativething.
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It's just that, you know, youhave to kind of let the emotion
settle first and then approachit from a different way.
But I seem to, and I think maybethis runs into this idea of, of
us remembering what our power isor our divinity.
And that I struggle with the egocomponent of that, where, like
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if something happens, let's sayat work, where you kind of know
it's wrong, but you've beenoffended personally.
And this happened recently tome.
And so I know that I have to saysomething, but I really, for a
long time, was like, is thisjust my ego because I'm annoyed
that this happened?
Or is this something that, youknow, other people are at risk
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and you really should saysomething despite knowing
there's going to be conflict onthe other side?
Like, I think the differencebetween the calling And the ego,
for me, I'm still maybe...
Good point.
Confusing.
SPEAKER_04 (29:31):
So we...
Some of us, okay, not pointingat you, but some of us feel that
if I am a spiritual person on aspiritual path, it should be all
peace, love, and joy.
Okay.
And if I'm feeling, I'mconfronted with something that
needs to be addressed, I don'taddress it because it's not
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being spiritual.
Well, sometimes it's reallyimportant for you to stand up
for the laws of love, not justJustice keeps us in karma, in
the beliefs of karma.
Well, someday they'll get theirup and comings, okay, from it.
So we feel that there'll bepayback at some point or
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another.
But under the laws of love,which is what we're moving
through and representing on theplanet at this point in time, we
can have conversations about abetter way of saying something
or a truer way of sayingsomething that is more
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harmonious with the situation.
We could phrase it from thatway.
We can also go, well, in thatsituation, did you get the kind
of results you wanted to get?
Ask them questions.
Did you get the results?
Okay.
And they'll go, no.
Perhaps a better way of puttingit would have been blah, blah,
blah.
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Or a newer way of looking at itwould have been blah, blah,
blah.
How can I help you?
Let's brainstorm here and try tofind a better way to go through
this the next time around.
So we can be part of that puzzlewithout feeling like it's our
job to point the finger.
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Does that help?
SPEAKER_03 (31:20):
Yep.
Okay.
Okay.
And I think too, maybe that theinitial emotional response that
maybe we get better at the passthrough being quicker of the
emotion, but there's no way Icould have acted upon it in the
moment of it happening.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_04 (31:41):
So then you could, that's a good point.
Then you can walk away and go,is this really a call for me?
Is this my ego going?
I can hardly wait to tell you tofuck off.
SPEAKER_02 (31:50):
Okay.
Or I mean, yes.
Yeah.
This is my moment.
I've been waiting
SPEAKER_04 (31:58):
for it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That moment.
Yeah.
No.
Okay.
So then, and those of us backaway and go, am I really called?
Am I really called to do this?
So if you're being called tohave confront a person with
blah, blah, blah.
If you're being called to it,this is an act of healing.
Okay.
This is not ego.
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All right.
Ego.
would go let me at him okay andyou would tear him apart just
say okay but if it's a callingthere's a tenderness in there it
warms you and you're hesitantbecause you feel vulnerable
because you're offering love toa difficult situation this is an
act of healing Anytime you'recalled to have a confrontation,
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it is not a defense.
And never take that.
If you're called to talk to themabout blah, blah, blah, you
don't have to do it at thatmoment where it would be an
active defense.
Settle down, go in, find thatcalling, and then approach it
from that place of tendernessand sharing and healing.
SPEAKER_00 (33:03):
Cheryl, is there ever a time when stepping away
is a part of the calling?
SPEAKER_04 (33:08):
Sure.
The world's pretty complicatedand pretty creative.
So you've got to learn to listento what that calling is, the
particulars of that calling.
Yeah.
Any other questions?
SPEAKER_01 (33:29):
I have a question kind of on a whole different
tangent, but about theelectricity response of the DNA.
And I'm wondering about externalsources of electricity, like
that are in our environment andBluetooth devices and Wi-Fi and.
(33:54):
It's
SPEAKER_04 (33:56):
all going to have an influence on you, on you.
Okay.
To some, degree or another ifi'm afraid of it it's going to
cripple me okay and because i'min low vibration if i'm
vibrating from high vibrationsokay high light-based vibrations
definitely from the i am or thegod principle it passes through
(34:18):
gotcha okay so it's what youthink Your DNA and your body
responds to how you think.
So if you're going, okay?
I mean, there's no way I'mputting my hand on a burner.
It doesn't matter how much Ithink it's cool.
I'm going to burn my hand, okay?
Just a warning to all of you whowant to try that, all right?
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That's not going to happen inhere.
So there's practical responsesto all things for the care of
the body, okay?
But there's a lot of stuff we doto ourself because we're not
loving people.
towards ourselves.
We spend way too much timebullying our body.
Okay.
All right, you guys.
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We'll see you soon.
Have fun with this one.
Lots of love to you.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Cardiac Cowboys
The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.