January 28, 2025 • 100 mins
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Hi friends, welcome to the first episode of our new podcast, A Court of Coffee and Books.
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Name may change later on.
Stay tuned.
Today, we are going to talk about the Imperian series, including a bunch of spoilers from
Onyx Storms. I just wanted to give you a heads up on that right out of the gate.
My name is Alicia. I'm Chelsea. And welcome to our court.
All right, let's get into it. What do you want to talk about first?
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I feel like we have to start from the beginning. I feel like that's the only way to do it.
So, fourth wing.
Let's go.
We took lots of notes a lot in our magic notebooks.
Yes.
We're really serious about this guys.
We're always serious about this.
Always. Cheers.
I will let you begin.
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All right. I'm going to start when Lilith and Mira and Violet are in her office, like
the first chapter of the first book.
Okay.
So, when Mira is trying to convince Lilith not to make Violet go to the writer's quadrant,
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Lilith says, pal skin, pal eyes, pal hair. It's like that fever stole all your coloring
along with your strength.
And I know that there was a lot of theories out there that was like, oh, well, when she
was pregnant with Violet, she was a vet and that's why they needed a cure, blah, blah,
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blah, blah, blah.
Obviously, we've read AnikStorm and that's pretty much been disproven.
For sure, yes. Because there's an entire race of people with the silver hair.
Not white, not gray, silver.
So, my thought process was, we know that her hair was silver because they dedicated her
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to Dun, Dune, how do we say that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But we also know that Lilith didn't know that Papasaur and Gau, AKA Asher, yeah.
He took her without Lilith knowing.
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Yep.
You went on a little vacation.
Yes.
Which I'm surprised that Violet doesn't remember it.
Well, I mean, I guess it depends on how old she was.
If she was like two, she probably wouldn't remember it.
They said when Mere was eight, so how old, how far away in age are they?
I mean, she's been out of the Ryder Squadron for at least like three years, I think.
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Because I think she knew Zaden when I think he was in his first year when she was in her third.
So maybe she's two years older than Zaden and Zaden's what?
25, because he's 23.
Yeah.
And Violet's 21.
Yeah.
But she's 20 when she enters the Quadrants.
So, four to five year difference.
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So, I mean, yeah, three to four years old.
Yeah, okay, yeah, okay.
I don't remember anything from before.
I was like, 10, okay.
That's called trauma.
We are not going to talk about that.
That's a different podcast, guys.
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Sorry.
So, the Stolier strength, we know that done.
I'm going to call her that.
That's fine.
That's wrong.
Is the goddess.
Does she have an E at the end?
Yes.
It's probably doing.
Hey, Siri, we're going to Google this really quick.
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Hold my phones.
Was that the equivalent of a mic drop?
I'm like, pass.
I am double-miked up on a Monday.
I wish it was a Tuesday.
On a Tuesday.
That's, yeah.
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We got an ad.
Okay.
Done.
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Like Donna, but without the.
I think he was just French.
He just said it with like.
Valid.
Okay.
Anyway, so done.
Okay.
I will let you win this one.
Thank you.
Got one.
Okay.
So we know that done is the goddess of war and strength.
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Correct.
And we know that the goddess of war is the goddess of war.
And also.
Later on in Onyx storm.
When.
Mira and Brandon.
Are fighting about.
Their grandma.
This is like right before.
Spoiler alert.
All of this has been a spoiler so far.
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Um.
I'm not sure if you can hear that.
They took her there because they thought that it would cure.
Violet's.
Illness.
Illness.
Disability.
Yeah.
So they were going to dedicate her to done to get the strength.
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Yeah.
So I'm wondering if, because they only partially dedicated her.
She only got part of it.
I mean, it's definitely possible.
Or.
Did they give it to her, they weren't able to fully dedicate her.
Something happened.
Time.
You know, some other thing happened.
And done took even more strength away.
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I mean, it definitely could be.
Because.
Violet also says that her eyes.
Change colors.
They don't really third.
They're blue green.
Yeah, it says light hazel of varying blues and amber.
That never seems to favor either.
Which.
Amber really stuck out to me.
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Same.
Because let's talk about Zaden's eyes.
Yeah.
With our onyx eyed boy.
Yes.
With his golden flecks.
Yep.
Because I literally wrote this down.
I did as well.
Amber was the color of Zaden's eyes.
Once he turned Venon.
We know onyx was a reference to Zaden because of his shadows,
but also because of his gold flecked onyx eyes.
That was like.
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Every fucking page.
The entirety of her attraction to Zaden.
Yeah.
Was just his eyeballs.
Yeah.
And it's he.
He's always onyx eyes.
Yep.
And it's always the onyx bond that they have that they like.
Yeah.
In their mind.
That's how they see it.
Yep.
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So I mean, obviously onyx was a reference to Zaden.
Oh, for sure.
But the amber.
Yeah.
Only came out to play after he turned Venon and use his powers.
When they were with his family.
Right.
With his sauce ass mom.
On the aisle that is most like the scribes.
Correct.
Because they value knowledge.
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Yeah.
Just like our girl.
Violet.
And just in here.
I also think it's funny that when they were on that aisle.
I know we said we were starting with forth weekend.
We went.
Sorry guys.
Everything just ties back.
When they were on that aisle.
They didn't know who.
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Violet was when she introduced herself as Violet Sorengau.
Right.
But then once she said that her dad was there.
They were like, Oh, I know your Asher's daughter now.
So actually they said.
Asher Dachsten.
Yeah.
Dachston.
Where did Dachston come from that is the only mentioned in the
entire book of his.
No, it's not.
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It's not.
In the.
In the like little bits above it, like the.
Yeah, I thought I only saw Sorengau.
No, there's one where it's, it's something Dachston.
They don't say his first name.
I was like, how.
How weird is it that that name shows up twice?
Because it's not like she's going to name two different people.
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Dachston.
Right.
Like it's a very, very specific name.
Yeah.
And we know our, our Rebecca does not do anything by chance.
Yeah.
But it must run in the family to change your name.
Cause you know, someone else in the Sorengau family changed their name
after coming back from the dead.
You want to talk about Brennan?
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I don't know if I'm ready to talk about.
Okay.
All right.
He's, he's a big topic.
He's a very big topic.
I have a lot, a lot of notes on that man.
Yeah.
Cause he's, I have a lot, I have thoughts.
I have a lot of thoughts on him.
And I'm, I'm going to go back to that first chapter.
Yeah.
When Mira is getting by ready, she's unpacking all of her,
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her giant pack, which.
Yep.
Side note.
I'm going to, I'm going to view her again.
This is going to happen a lot.
I'm sorry.
Um, it was really interesting to me that.
Violet says that she's been training for writer.
Quadrant for six months before conscription day.
And yet she didn't have any souls on her boots.
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She was wearing the worst possible outfit.
She had a giant pack.
She was just so unprepared.
I think that was on purpose.
Yeah.
I was, I was trying to figure out like, why would they not practice
on a balanced beam?
Why would they not?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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Why would they not.
Do all of these,
why would you not realize that it's going to get windy up there?
Right.
You know,
and you can't have clothes that are going to bellow in the wind.
My nose is running.
Well, you better go catch it.
Let me get into you really quickly.
Okay.
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So like,
but I agree because.
If you're training for something even like say a marathon
The first thing you're gonna do is get the right footwear right off like the the right outfits
Like make sure that you're comfortable while you're doing it like this is a huge huge life moment where a lot of people
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Die, right?
So why would you not prepare for that part?
Like what were you preparing for because you seem unaware of everything right like she talks about how good she got with daggers
But like you're not gonna even need to do anything with daggers if you don't make it across the parapet exactly
Why would you not focus on that part?
And then you're gonna learn the rest of it once you get on the mat and everything well unless you boys and everybody
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Will she learn that too?
Actually, I think that was from the scribes and pop a soaring ale. Yeah, I will say that
other than like
The few little physical things violet was very well prepared just in terms of knowledge
Knowledge, yes, but it came from the scribes. Yeah
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not from training with somebody who
Should have prepared her right for all of the life and death things. Yeah, and
I mean like I said, she was training for six months
Yeah, and Mira waited until the very last day to come back and say anything because Mira didn't have leave
Well, we all know that Mira does whatever the hell Mira wants as that's why we love her
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We do love Mira, but if you know that your sister is gonna be
Forced into right and you're that scared you're going to your mom you're saying she's fragile. She won't make it
She's gonna die blah blah blah. Yeah
Yeah, why would you wait till the last day?
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Yeah, I mean, I don't have a good answer for you. Yeah, anyways
Mary back to the original topic
Um when Mira is helping violet get ready. She's repacking everything. She's taking all the books out of her pack
She takes the baron the the fables of the baron out of there and
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um
Violet is like no, that's all I have left of dad
like I want to take that with me and Mira's like no leave it because
your life is more valuable than this book and
um
They were talking about like what was in it and
So violet explains it to her and Mira says
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dad in his
Allegories dad something like that. Yeah. Um
Um
Ditch the books dad can't save you. He tried I tried
So that was actually when I had written down as well
Because I was like, okay
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What do you mean dad tried right?
But I think we see along the way he had tried to prepare violet for
Either outcome of her going to the scribes or the writer squadron
I think he always wanted her to be a scribe. Mm-hmm
But I think he's on to how he knew like Lilith was not gonna just let that fly
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Yeah, I wonder if he
Because Lilith in iron flame she says that
If she went into the the reason that she made her go into the writer's quadrant was because she knew that when she was in
The the scribe quadrant she would find out the truth. Yep, and they would kill her for it. Yep
So I wonder why Asher
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thought that she would be safe there like did he think that
He could protect her somehow where they would know together and they could
Figure out something or maybe he thought Markham was better than he was
I don't know because he consistently says do not trust anyone. Correct only Mira. Yep
which like
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Not your mom not your brother. Yeah only your sister. Well, I
Well, I'm Brennan Brennan is Brennan, but like that's the other thing is like
Asher and Lilith were married. They loved each other. I mean they say that throughout the book. Yeah, they loved each other
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How do you
On one hand love somebody who's keeping a secret from the rest of the world that is killing people
But then I'll say then
Say then
I'm just saying
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Um, okay, we'll come back to that
Um, how do you on one hand?
You're married to somebody who's like
Keeping this huge secret right that you know Venon exist and they're out there
They're draining people and taking their lives and killing them and you're leaving them to basically fend for themselves
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And you're perpetrating these lies that you're telling the entire country. Yep
And then on the other hand be like don't trust anybody like
I'm on the lookout for a cure like I know what's going on like how do you
Like walk that line. Yeah
I just I can't imagine it like
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I think I'd
lose my mind if I was married to someone who just kept secrets from me
but also
Like life changing soul altering secrets
Like I don't know how you maybe it's just me like I can't keep secrets like that. No, I would never be able to keep a secret
That would hurt somebody else
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And I would I mean
They both had to know that the other knew right they both said that they talked about it
Right like I'm sure that there was a joint decision of while nobody else was doing anything about it
We just got to keep it a secret otherwise. We're not going to be here to raise our kids right
At least that's my thought process
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I guess so I mean
Lilith seems like she likes to put her children first, but it's not always for their
What's best for them? It's like what's best?
For her in the long run
Yeah, like it's it's kind of like even if it hurts them she's gonna do it because she thinks it's better for them
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Yeah, even if it's not mother knows best. Yeah, literally though like
It sucks, but let's just hope she's not you know
Using their magic to turn back time so that she doesn't look ugly
No one said she's just trading the magic
Right. She just did she's she's a little dead
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For now, who knows?
Jack fucking Barlow came back so you know what if Jack Barlow could come back
Liam can come back, but I know he's not going to
So I have a whole thing in here about Liam. I love Liam so much
But I saw Rebecca say that the reason she killed him
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She knew she was gonna kill him the moment that she introduced him. Yep. Yeah, I saw that because he's perfect and had no character arc
So he had to go
He was a Mary Sue
Excuse me a Mary Sue
What is that?
If you don't know you don't know if you know you know, all right. Well, I'm clearly out of the loop on that one
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Uh
But Liam was just one of the most beloved characters like she did such a good job
Of making him a loved marked one. Yes. And like really humanizing them and like even though
Yes, obviously like Zaden is Zaden
Having Zaden is like he's a morally gray character though. Liam was not Liam was good to the core
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Yeah, but still loved both Zaden and Violet and wanted them to work things out
And was there for both of them in some of the darkest times, right?
I was annotating in my Kindle
It was it was
I
The first time Liam came up
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Uh when they first introduced him not even like when she first talks to him just when they say like that's his name when they're under the tree
Yeah
I was all I said was pain
I literally I also annotated annotated that and I said, well, this is gonna hurt
I said pain not both my liam's being dead
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I was like no
Dude
That is brutal. I was crying. It was like I always said was his name and I'm like dude. I can't take this anymore
It's literally 30 seconds and I was like
So so when you wrote pain
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Did you
Oh my god, but I should have
It's a good thing you got it Kindle notes. I know I'll have to edit it. Okay. I'm without the why
Are you feeling pain? Love you buddy. Yeah. Anyway
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We're gonna get off that topic daddy direction. I know we'll get back to the books. Yes before I actually cry
Yeah, let's not let's not do that yet
All right
You got anything I mean I have a lot um
So I guess I want to go just like in general
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Before on x storm. Mm-hmm. So
Before I read on x storm. I thought that violet was a type of intense
Turns out I was right, but I didn't realize that she was a dreamwalker
I guess who did yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Who guessed it?
Just you did you did indeed
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I thought that she was some kind of like feelings and tinsic because there was a couple different times throughout the first two books
Where she was able to like feel others emotions or at least rebecca made it seem like it
So, you know, there was a passage where she was like
Um, you know all of a sudden this anxiety washed over me and it didn't feel like my own
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and I was like
Okay, so there's probably
Terrence
It's probably Terrence or in darnas or satans. Yeah, like and which I realize now
Even like possibly sick alas like it could have been for sure
I don't think so because she doesn't seem like the type to get anxious or shoot her
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Her feelings towards a violent of all people but
No stranger things have happened
Yeah, like two and ten's like marrying each other. Anyway
um
I also I kind of sat here. I was like, I think those descriptions may have been
Really just talking about her own very powerful feelings and like she wasn't quite sure how to handle some of those
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Um, speaking of power
Let's talk about and dana for a minute. Okay, so I have written down
Um, I think when she channels when they and dana she is only channeling from the sky
I don't think that she's channeling from the ground
which is why and dana is
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So she is going to be so powerful and why she can kill the venin with her fire
And dana also says
um
That she feels her power shift
When she shifts colors
So when she uses her like
irid power to switch colors
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She feels her power change
So I think in those moments
Like she is channeling
And I think that goes into
Violet and what violet can do because violet uses her
Lightening and that kills the venin. Well
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Violet's lightning
Is like her signet is not
Lightning her power is like it's pure power. She just chooses to form it as lightning. So
Technically she's not really a lightning wielder. Although she does wield lightning. She's just a power wielder. She yeah, she could
Make her power into any form. Yeah, which I hope we get to see in a future book. Yeah, Rebecca
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at Rebecca Yarrows
Please go more into that because that would be amazing. Yeah
But yeah, so I I would be interested to see
If her power
If she uses it in any other form other than just lightning, right because we know that's what she's comfortable with
But we also know that she's gonna need a lot of training and she's gonna get more powerful. Yeah, so maybe
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She'll become more comfortable doing other things with it for sure especially depending on
You know, what kind of venin she will be fighting
Yeah, like her husband
Well, let's hope not. I hope not
um
I've said from the beginning though. You and I have had this conversation a few different times. I think that her
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like her
Signat overall is going to be her
Having ownership over the sky or her drawing power from the sky
Yeah, because they say that a few different times of like she you know, she wants to pull
What is it? It wants to pluck strands from the sky and weave them into runes
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She can talk to the other dragons and they don't kill her or roast her as soon as she
Speaks to them even though she's not bonded to them
They
There's just so many different
times throughout the books
where
They're you know, her trainer or her teacher or whatever
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Is like surprised that she only wields these huge powerful blasts
Yeah, but never that's how anyone she controlled the the little ones. Yeah, and she needs a conduit
What I will say I have a friend who is currently reading onyx storm
And he messaged me and he was like hey, could you clarify some things for me? I have some questions
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Oh, no, we all have questions. Sweet cheeks
Because it was because he had not re-read fourth wing and iron wing
So he was like, okay, I don't remember why they're looking for the seventh
Like how do they know they even still exist blah blah blah that kind of stuff
So I I explained it to him like how they knew
And he was like, oh, I think it would be really cool if violet was a human debilator at some point
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I was like, yes, it would be pretty cool. Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen in this book, but yes
So that would be a cool way to see her use her like the human control in a controlled way. Yeah
I just I want her I want to see her be able to control it without the conduit. Yes. Like yes, absolutely
She has to be able to control it, but I almost think it's a telltale sign of like
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She can't control the amount of power that she has
Yeah, I I have a feeling that that is going to be
a big issue
Where you know, she's she's got to
Do some really controlled strikes and she doesn't have the conduit and either she's gonna burn out
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or
I don't know. I don't know. She's gonna figure it out. Yeah. She'd have to she yeah, I mean she can't fail
It's life or death. Yeah, she has to
Let's just hope it's not against Zaden
You know
Zady can stay far away during that. I know. I'll be like, okay. I'll just like hang out over here in my cave
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Put the other one in. Yeah
All right your turn
Um, I want to talk about
Asher for a minute. Okay. Um
One of the things that Violet says in fourth wing
Is her dad always told her your mind already knows the answer. So just calm down and let it remember
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That's what she says to herself as she's um walking across the parrot path. Yep, and
She says she he always told her that and then he leaves her all of these
Clues the journal that he knows only she will be able to open
The books that he leaves for her an onyx storm the letter that he sends to her
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I feel like he gave her the answer. I feel like she has the answer
She knows how to cure the venom. She just has to remember. Yeah, like I feel like
He laid out all of the clues for sure and
She she just needs to figure it out
Like it's all there. I feel like even for us. It's probably all there. Oh for sure
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But or at least mostly. Yeah
Um, the rest will be revealed next book. Yeah, true years at least. I know
um
There is a part where
Um, they're talking about
His research that he does on feather tails. Yes. Yes, and hold on. I'm trying to find it. Oh
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Uh taren promises. I know nothing of your father's research, but in darno has gone silent
So I think in darno knows more men either in darno knows more than she's letting on
Or in darno knows more than she realizes
I think it might be a combination of both. Yeah, I
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also
look
I thought about that too with him doing all of this research on feather tails
And I think it's verish who says either that or atos
um
Says like isn't it coincidence that you just happened to bond one?
Hmm. Yeah
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That is pretty strange though
Well, not really
I mean is it's not strange like
Well, yeah, you know like it's
It's like he knew but how would you know?
How are they gonna know? Nobody's gonna know. No, but that's true because I mean
And darno was still chilling in an egg right. She was
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Wait a second
Though because we don't know when she has she started hatching two years before thrashing two years before thrashing would have been when her
dad died
Hold up
Mic drop
I
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I feel like we probably got something really wrong. Oh 100% like the timing is off. Yeah. Well, okay. So but
Didn't her dad die like five years ago? No, brennan. No brennan left six years ago
And then dad's no chest pain started
Dad's chest pain started when brennan quote unquote died. Um, which is
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sus but
Her dad didn't die until a year before
Violet entered the quadrant. Okay. Okay
because
That was like the six months was like the halfway point
Because her mom wouldn't talk to her because she said my mom didn't talk to me for almost a year after
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Mmm. Okay
Yeah, so I'm pretty sure it's like at least two or three years. Okay
So I mean
He could have known about it and dharnah
He could have been doing research on her. She could have been working with with her dad. Mm-hmm
But she wasn't
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I don't know if she was hatched or not. Yeah, and how would he have he's not a rider. He's a he's subscribed
So how would he have been in the bow?
Well, I guess
The islands
When he went to go visit the one island who's gonna say that he never went to the other
And saw all of the irids and they all still have other tales because they asked and dharnah what she did to her tail
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Because she's a scorpion tail, right?
So what if he
You think they told him that she was there? I do
Maybe
Because she said that she he was a peaceful
Little not a violent person. Maybe they would have felt more comfortable talking to him. Yeah
and she and dharnah says like
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I heard of a general's daughter
Who was 18
Hmm, I remember that now. Yeah who and I knew that she would have the mind of a scribe in the heart of a rider
Alexa living her mon
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It's awesome. Um
So I think that part of her like part of and dharnah
Like decided to start hatching at that point. Mm-hmm
And if her dad was still around and her dad had talked to the other irids
Maybe there was because how is she gonna hear anything from a human where she's in the eye?
She's in the eye. She can only communicate with other dragons, right?
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Or did she I think it's it said some she heard the elders talking maybe so how would the elders know
Especially because the the irids hadn't come
It's not like they were traveling back and forth. No, they weren't communicating with the empire in right so I wonder if
I
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See but I don't know how many times asher went back there
Like would he have gone back there when she was 18?
He wouldn't have because he would have been
Having a heart attack like he was sick. Yeah, but isn't when did he drop off the books? When did he talk about dane?
That's true because at three years old
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And like she's not gonna be in love with her best friend at three years old, right? But at 18
It's very possible very possible. He had to go back there at least one more time at least. Yeah
Hmm
I got some questions. I have more questions than answers now
It's me too. I mean a hundred percent with this entire book. I have way more questions
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Yeah, and I'm kind of glad that like all the theories that people had for the most part not all of them. I know some of them were right
but um, I'm glad most of them are wrong. Yeah, like I'm
I try to stay away from them now because I'm like I don't want
I don't want someone else who's smarter than me to figure it out and then I don't get that big
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Aha moment, right. Yeah, I agree
So I try not to watch too many of them
We'll just construct our own conspiracy theories over here. Yeah, we we will start the rumors
I love that
Okay
Um, what else you got an Asher anything else?
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I'm sure at some point it'll come back up. Okay, but I want to switch gears for a second and I want to talk about
The one who came before
Naolin. Yes. Okay
I'll let you lead
So
Not even getting into the whole thing with Brennan. I don't want to first talk about
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Taren's reaction anytime that this man is brought up. We do not speak of the one who came before. Yes
Is it because he's grieving?
Or is it because he regrets his choice in writer?
I think it's because he regrets his choice
This leads me down a rabbit hole. Are you prepared for this? Yes, because it's also going to lead me down a rabbit hole because I have
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A lot of thoughts. So do I okay? So
When it comes to Naolin, I think that
One he's still alive, but I think he's a venin. See I
I think that but then again, I'm not gonna say anything
I think that but then again, I'm like
But how would Taren be able to?
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Bond another person like they would still have that bond because
Zaden is venin. Yeah, and him and sgaus sagaus still have their bond but for how long?
That's a question. There is no sage
That is bonded to a dragon. They're all only bonded to wyvern
and the ones that they created
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There is nobody who rides a dragon into battle. So how long does that bond last after somebody gives up their soul?
right
I also want to know side note. This is like taking a real big left turn
So we know that jack barlow is like deep in venin like he he's not just like a
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Initiate he's like he was I think he was like a level two though
Yeah, like he was not he was nowhere near a safe. He's like an ace him. Yeah
But still like that's even farther than Zaden ever was until
Tulling on
Yeah, and to the unix storm
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But he I don't know if you remember specifically they said in iron flame
They were in the
The room where the with the word stone. Yeah. Yes, and that's when
He slits her throat correct and has her bleed over the top of the yeah the word stone
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So like I have questions right like so when did their bond break because
There's no bond break. So I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point
Right like so when did their bond break because there's no way in how
That a rider can kill their dragon if they're still bonded. I just don't think that's possible
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So I think that that bond breaks at some point especially because sigail screams at zaden
I chose you
You can't I chose you
So I feel like that bond breaks at some point
Well, you know that bonds can break because and dana brokers
How she came right back was like goddamn girl. I was so mad at her. I was like you little teenage
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You did
Like ready to ground her ass
Literally to the veil hit your ass back there
No phone for a week
No sheep for a week
I'm sorry to stop laughing long enough to say that
Uh
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But I so they definitely can break that bond
I guess my concern is
Taren has said multiple times
You are my last rider. I chose you
You are there will be none after you you are my last
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Yeah, if you go I go right
So my concern is
What happens if sigail also feels that way
Because the mating bond
That mating bond makes me very nervous me too because of one dies the other dies which means that so does their rider
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Unless it's violet my who has and dana. Yes
So I know that Rebecca has
Very clearly stated that in book number four one of our favorites does not make it
I'm so concerned. It's gonna be Taren and sigail. Yeah
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I thought it was happening in book three. I also think it might be Riddick
Which I will I will fucking revolt. I'm showing up at your house Rebecca with a pitchfork and a torch
And just stand there. We're not yeah, I need you to resolve it in book five
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I will I you're gonna have another rebellion on your hands. Okay. Yeah, and it's gonna be from your readers, baby girl
Yeah, yeah, no, uh, if they do anything to my baby Riddick, I will literally lose my mind
I will say though that I know that she's also said that sometimes she does things just because she knows that they will cause pain
Which like
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Why baby, but also please don't yeah, please don't do that to me. Please no more. I am not emotionally stable enough
No
Um, but yes the the meeting bond
The how often it's mentioned and how big of a plot point it is with
The distance between scouts sigail and Taren and how they can't spend a lot of time apart and you know, it
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It furthers a lot of the book for sure. Um, it makes me nervous that
It is going to be
an issue
and I'm thinking like if
What we were saying is correct about you know as far as you go in the vennin you lose your pond with your dragon and
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so that won't
Kill them because they're not neither one of them is dying
It's just a broken bond
And then obviously like the other one would die or and then violet would have in dharnah
As long as she sticks her ass around. I know unless she'd you know, beliefs her again. Which I don't think she will but
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Let's hope not
I don't know. You never know but
It does concern me. Yeah
that whole
The whole meeting bond really really
irks me and makes me very concerned on like a
Soul deep level. Yeah, no pun intended
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Yeah, I don't
Like it's cute. I love it about the same time. It's like very anxiety inducing. I have a lovely relationship with it for sure. Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
Uh mates. Yeah
Do you think do you think?
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Yeah gave
Tang some soup. You know, like here you go. Just some sheep soup. Yeah
Okay, I'm just laughing because like if I pull my pull my leg of my my leg and up you'll see my soup
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Um
That sounded really inappropriate
I did I have a tattoo of that kind of soup girl
No, I have a tattoo of uh, fairer and
Reese and a bowl of soup a bowl of soup. So it's fine
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um, so
Get back on back
You went off track. I did. I'm sorry. I do that a lot. Um fact now Lynn. Naomi. No, Naomi. Yes. Yes. Okay
Um, let's let's
Let's bring up
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them
The b-word the b-word
So Brennan, yes, so Brennan and Naomi
I feel like they were lovers. I feel like there's definitely a bigger relationship there for sure
It's not like they were just friends
The part that is very suspicious to me
is that
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When violet asks
Or I don't know if she asks him but they're talking about it
He does not say what happened. She tells him what happened
The only thing I think that Brennan says is that he gave his all. Yeah, that's it. That's it
Why will no one talk about neolan right
Is he a sage because I don't think they even
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clearly state
How Brennan
Made it out alive. There's no conversation about it. There's no background on it. There's nothing. It's just
Neolan gave his all. Yeah, he was a mender or no, he was not a mender. He was a siphon. Mm-hmm
Where did he get the power from?
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The ground
because
We don't actually know if he turned to venin though
right
So if it's not if he's not a venin
Where did he get it from?
Because he can't siphon
A dead person's power from them and then give it back to them, right?
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but also
If Brennan was dying
How how would any siphon do any good?
Right like even getting a siphon back in is it like filling up his own power to be able to heal himself
Is he like kind of like imbuing him right?
That's question. He would need it be like
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They would need another person
Another being another powerful being to siphon energy from to send into Brennan to heal him
Right
So
We're missing a big third. Yeah, you want to be my third?
No
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So like I think we're so missing a huge chunk of that story 100 especially because we haven't even heard it from the source
We haven't heard much of anything. No, because no one will talk about him
The only person we've heard it from is
Is the professor
Who told right but even that was so minimal
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Yeah, and that's gotta be whatever the scribes say right so you don't know that that's true either. No
And taren won't talk about it. He won't say yes or no to any of them. He just says we're not going to talk about him. Yep
Which why won't taren talk about him?
That's a question. That's what it comes down to is why
Why will he not to speak anything about him?
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And why is he so adamant that violet will be his last
Well, they do say that the more powerful the rider the more strong the bond for sure and the bond could the more strong the bond
right in
But I think that taren's gonna
sacrifice himself
No, you can't there must be another way
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Not me not Zaden. Yo, he's going to sacrifice himself
See that was all you that was all you
Yes, but it's fine because it's Harry Potter
Oh
Oh
I just read this
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Your father made sure you'd know everything you needed or where to find it
So where the fuck is the cure?
I think the irids know
There's I think there's a lot more
I think the irids know too and I think that's why and dana went back
But we never got to learn anything that she learned while she was there
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Yeah
Well, I don't think it was long enough. I don't think it was long enough either
But I think that there was at least something that may be triggered. I mean what triggered her to come back
Why did she come back?
It's not like she was bonded so she didn't know that violet was in trouble. Yeah
Maybe she was like
I don't fuck up a you guys are not violent enough for me. So I need to go back and I'm a violent little teenager
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She is she's aggressive. She is she wants to eat everything
She wants to you know take pictures of her
She wants to you know take people's kneecaps out. No, no, she wants to gouge their eyes out. Oh, yes
Taryn says that the kneecaps are a better target
You're right
Which like cat deserves that
It's fine
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I will say the second croplin uprising that Asher was
Investigating researching documenting. Yeah. I I think that's that's definitely a big play into
What happened because I mean we know that the
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Venom were a big issue once before and then they were whether they were eradicated or they went
They were banished. Yeah, they were banished by a shadow wielder and a storm wielder or a lightning wielder. When does it say that?
I don't remember. I think it's an iron flame. So yeah, because so they say that the
um
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The venon were banished to the barons
for hundreds of years
by the
the last time that there was a
Shadow wielder and a lightning wielder who existed at the same time
So that's why everyone looks to Zaden and Violet and think that they're the
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The way that all of this is going to get
You know taken care of and that we're gonna we're gonna banish them again back to the barons. I see
Maybe they should stop banishing and just start killing
Because that's in Danna's way
That's in Danna's way. It is. We're curing. You know, we don't always have to go violent. It could be curing. Only for theophany.
Lady Vennan. Lady Vennan.
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Um
Because obviously banishing them was not a cure all. No, it did not fix it. It did good for a few for what 650 years
Because that's how long and Danna waited to
Yeah. Hatch. Hatch.
Because she was left behind for this purpose. Yeah.
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Poor Danna.
That's a long nap. Are you kidding me? I would love that kind of nap. Girl, I need that.
We're tired bitches up in here.
Um
I also want to talk about
Zaden killing Alec
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Okay. And the three brothers
The three brothers that are so reminiscent of the Harry Potter three brothers
Yes. The Deathly Hallows. This is the the Imperian version of the Dragon version.
Yeah
Um
Do you think it's strange that
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The king has three sons?
I don't know if there's a relation there
But I'm kind of feeling it's a little weird
I want to know what happened in that cave where he was quote unquote bullying Garrick
Which made Zaden kill him. It was during thrashing. Yes
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I do want to know about that as well. I don't think that it's weird that there's three
I do think that it's weird that Halden and Alec were twins
They were twins?
They were twins
So that they were roommates
So they were twins and then Eric Cam however you want to call him was the youngest brother
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So I think it's strange that there was twin boys and that they weren't together
Like I guess maybe I think about like Fred and George they were always together
Yeah
Not all twins are like that but you'd think during thrashing you'd probably stick together
But Halden isn't he's not a dragon rider
No he's a dick
He is a dick but he's in the infantry
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Yes
So he wouldn't have been there at thrashing
Well that's true
So I guess why didn't they go to the same place?
Like why would Alec and Eric or Cam whatever we want to call him Eric?
We can call him Eric
Okay
So why would both Alec and Cam oh my god Alec and Eric Jesus Christ
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Why would they both go into the riders quadrant if they're literally in line for the throne
And then there's just Halden who's being Halden
We don't really know much about Alec and that's we know nothing other than Zaden killed him because he was being a dick to Eric
Right
So I want to know was I feel like if he was being a dick to Garrick he was not in the riders quadrant for the same reasons that Eric is
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Oh for sure
He probably went there for some bad reasons
Yes
Whatever they may be whether he wanted the power from dragons or he just wanted to prove himself because they are always saying how riders are better than them
Riders are like better than everybody else
But if your prince in line for the throne like they're twins
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So I mean you got pretty much an equal shot
Yeah
Why are you joining the riders quadrant?
Don't you pretty much have everything you could want? You've got the power, you've got the money, you've got
You have every opportunity available to you, right? Why choose to go in the riders quadrant
And Eric joining was literally because Halden wasn't doing anything with the information that he had right which was that there were running right
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So what was Alec doing
And why was Alec in the riders quadrant?
Yeah, when will we actually
Am I just like automatically assuming he's a bad person because he was bullying Garrick?
Probably because he's a little baby Garrick
I know
First of all, Garrick, he's like a fucking mountain of a man
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How are you bullying him?
I mean yeah, that was a good question
I mean Zaden could have also just been Zaden and went off the rails
He was probably angry at that point in time
And like the king didn't exactly help things when his dad
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To me, I don't know
He could have been for revenge
Especially with like how pompously he says like I regret I don't regret killing your brother
What a thing to say to a first year
And a prince at that
Right
And the fact that the king doesn't even know that Zaden's the one who killed him
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So that was what I was going to say next is how does Eric know that Zaden was the one that killed him?
Right, who told him? Because Halden doesn't know
No, Halden knows all about the vending but Halden doesn't know that Zaden killed him
No
And obviously the king doesn't know or Zaden would be dead
My only other thought is
Is he actually dead
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And I didn't say that so that he went off like and
Like you think he went into hiding or something?
I do because and I'm just thinking about those right now so bear with me here
Well like what if Alec went into hiding because he knew he found out too much
Maybe his dad sent him into the Ryder's quadrant
And he knew too much and was expected to die
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Because it talks all about these three brothers
I mean one of them is known to be kind of an asshole
Halden's got that title on lock
So
What's up? Like where you know where is Alec? Where's his body? Why does the king not know
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That he's dead if he is
Right
Or does he know that he's dead?
I would imagine if Zaden killed him
There would have been more consequences
Even if they can't kill him because he's like powerful
But that's such a I don't think that the king would have cared at that point
No he would just want him dead because that's his son
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Yeah
Wednesday
This is Wednesday everybody
Say hello
And when you start looking at the microphone
Oh okay
Come on let's not bite that girl
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We're gonna lol too into it
She was like are you guys gonna take a break for a second
Are you gonna hang out here?
I don't suggest eating that
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Can you hear me?
Wednesday
Lay down babe
Alright so anyway now that she's decided to maybe go lay down somewhere
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Or sniff Chelsea's hair one of the two
Chewing on my hair
Curlpots
No
Can you lay down please?
You're very cute
Okay
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I just have more questions and answers about the three brothers to be honest
Yeah I'm trying to find the passage
That was
Let me see if I can find it
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Hi friends, welcome to the first episode of our new podcast, A Court of Coffee and Books.
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Name may change later on.
Stay tuned.
Today, we are going to talk about the Imperian series, including a bunch of spoilers from
Onyx Storms. I just wanted to give you a heads up on that right out of the gate.
My name is Alicia. I'm Chelsea. And welcome to our court.
All right, let's get into it. What do you want to talk about first?
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I feel like we have to start from the beginning. I feel like that's the only way to do it.
So, fourth wing.
Let's go.
We took lots of notes a lot in our magic notebooks.
Yes.
We're really serious about this guys.
We're always serious about this.
Always. Cheers.
I will let you begin.
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All right. I'm going to start when Lilith and Mira and Violet are in her office, like
the first chapter of the first book.
Okay.
So, when Mira is trying to convince Lilith not to make Violet go to the writer's quadrant,
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Lilith says, pal skin, pal eyes, pal hair. It's like that fever stole all your coloring
along with your strength.
And I know that there was a lot of theories out there that was like, oh, well, when she
was pregnant with Violet, she was a vet and that's why they needed a cure, blah, blah,
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blah, blah, blah.
Obviously, we've read AnikStorm and that's pretty much been disproven.
For sure, yes. Because there's an entire race of people with the silver hair.
Not white, not gray, silver.
So, my thought process was, we know that her hair was silver because they dedicated her
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to Dun, Dune, how do we say that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But we also know that Lilith didn't know that Papasaur and Gau, AKA Asher, yeah.
He took her without Lilith knowing.
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Yep.
You went on a little vacation.
Yes.
Which I'm surprised that Violet doesn't remember it.
Well, I mean, I guess it depends on how old she was.
If she was like two, she probably wouldn't remember it.
They said when Mere was eight, so how old, how far away in age are they?
I mean, she's been out of the Ryder Squadron for at least like three years, I think.
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Because I think she knew Zaden when I think he was in his first year when she was in her third.
So maybe she's two years older than Zaden and Zaden's what?
25, because he's 23.
Yeah.
And Violet's 21.
Yeah.
But she's 20 when she enters the Quadrants.
So, four to five year difference.
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So, I mean, yeah, three to four years old.
Yeah, okay, yeah, okay.
I don't remember anything from before.
I was like, 10, okay.
That's called trauma.
We are not going to talk about that.
That's a different podcast, guys.
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Sorry.
So, the Stolier strength, we know that done.
I'm going to call her that.
That's fine.
That's wrong.
Is the goddess.
Does she have an E at the end?
Yes.
It's probably doing.
Hey, Siri, we're going to Google this really quick.
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Hold my phones.
Was that the equivalent of a mic drop?
I'm like, pass.
I am double-miked up on a Monday.
I wish it was a Tuesday.
On a Tuesday.
That's, yeah.
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We got an ad.
Okay.
Done.
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Like Donna, but without the.
I think he was just French.
He just said it with like.
Valid.
Okay.
Anyway, so done.
Okay.
I will let you win this one.
Thank you.
Got one.
Okay.
So we know that done is the goddess of war and strength.
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Correct.
And we know that the goddess of war is the goddess of war.
And also.
Later on in Onyx storm.
When.
Mira and Brandon.
Are fighting about.
Their grandma.
This is like right before.
Spoiler alert.
All of this has been a spoiler so far.
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Um.
I'm not sure if you can hear that.
They took her there because they thought that it would cure.
Violet's.
Illness.
Illness.
Disability.
Yeah.
So they were going to dedicate her to done to get the strength.
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Yeah.
So I'm wondering if, because they only partially dedicated her.
She only got part of it.
I mean, it's definitely possible.
Or.
Did they give it to her, they weren't able to fully dedicate her.
Something happened.
Time.
You know, some other thing happened.
And done took even more strength away.
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I mean, it definitely could be.
Because.
Violet also says that her eyes.
Change colors.
They don't really third.
They're blue green.
Yeah, it says light hazel of varying blues and amber.
That never seems to favor either.
Which.
Amber really stuck out to me.
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Same.
Because let's talk about Zaden's eyes.
Yeah.
With our onyx eyed boy.
Yes.
With his golden flecks.
Yep.
Because I literally wrote this down.
I did as well.
Amber was the color of Zaden's eyes.
Once he turned Venon.
We know onyx was a reference to Zaden because of his shadows,
but also because of his gold flecked onyx eyes.
That was like.
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Every fucking page.
The entirety of her attraction to Zaden.
Yeah.
Was just his eyeballs.
Yeah.
And it's he.
He's always onyx eyes.
Yep.
And it's always the onyx bond that they have that they like.
Yeah.
In their mind.
That's how they see it.
Yep.
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So I mean, obviously onyx was a reference to Zaden.
Oh, for sure.
But the amber.
Yeah.
Only came out to play after he turned Venon and use his powers.
When they were with his family.
Right.
With his sauce ass mom.
On the aisle that is most like the scribes.
Correct.
Because they value knowledge.
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Yeah.
Just like our girl.
Violet.
And just in here.
I also think it's funny that when they were on that aisle.
I know we said we were starting with forth weekend.
We went.
Sorry guys.
Everything just ties back.
When they were on that aisle.
They didn't know who.
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Violet was when she introduced herself as Violet Sorengau.
Right.
But then once she said that her dad was there.
They were like, Oh, I know your Asher's daughter now.
So actually they said.
Asher Dachsten.
Yeah.
Dachston.
Where did Dachston come from that is the only mentioned in the
entire book of his.
No, it's not.
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It's not.
In the.
In the like little bits above it, like the.
Yeah, I thought I only saw Sorengau.
No, there's one where it's, it's something Dachston.
They don't say his first name.
I was like, how.
How weird is it that that name shows up twice?
Because it's not like she's going to name two different people.
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Dachston.
Right.
Like it's a very, very specific name.
Yeah.
And we know our, our Rebecca does not do anything by chance.
Yeah.
But it must run in the family to change your name.
Cause you know, someone else in the Sorengau family changed their name
after coming back from the dead.
You want to talk about Brennan?
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I don't know if I'm ready to talk about.
Okay.
All right.
He's, he's a big topic.
He's a very big topic.
I have a lot, a lot of notes on that man.
Yeah.
Cause he's, I have a lot, I have thoughts.
I have a lot of thoughts on him.
And I'm, I'm going to go back to that first chapter.
Yeah.
When Mira is getting by ready, she's unpacking all of her,
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her giant pack, which.
Yep.
Side note.
I'm going to, I'm going to view her again.
This is going to happen a lot.
I'm sorry.
Um, it was really interesting to me that.
Violet says that she's been training for writer.
Quadrant for six months before conscription day.
And yet she didn't have any souls on her boots.
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She was wearing the worst possible outfit.
She had a giant pack.
She was just so unprepared.
I think that was on purpose.
Yeah.
I was, I was trying to figure out like, why would they not practice
on a balanced beam?
Why would they not?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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Why would they not.
Do all of these,
why would you not realize that it's going to get windy up there?
Right.
You know,
and you can't have clothes that are going to bellow in the wind.
My nose is running.
Well, you better go catch it.
Let me get into you really quickly.
Okay.
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So like,
but I agree because.
If you're training for something even like say a marathon
The first thing you're gonna do is get the right footwear right off like the the right outfits
Like make sure that you're comfortable while you're doing it like this is a huge huge life moment where a lot of people
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Die, right?
So why would you not prepare for that part?
Like what were you preparing for because you seem unaware of everything right like she talks about how good she got with daggers
But like you're not gonna even need to do anything with daggers if you don't make it across the parapet exactly
Why would you not focus on that part?
And then you're gonna learn the rest of it once you get on the mat and everything well unless you boys and everybody
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Will she learn that too?
Actually, I think that was from the scribes and pop a soaring ale. Yeah, I will say that
other than like
The few little physical things violet was very well prepared just in terms of knowledge
Knowledge, yes, but it came from the scribes. Yeah
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not from training with somebody who
Should have prepared her right for all of the life and death things. Yeah, and
I mean like I said, she was training for six months
Yeah, and Mira waited until the very last day to come back and say anything because Mira didn't have leave
Well, we all know that Mira does whatever the hell Mira wants as that's why we love her
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We do love Mira, but if you know that your sister is gonna be
Forced into right and you're that scared you're going to your mom you're saying she's fragile. She won't make it
She's gonna die blah blah blah. Yeah
Yeah, why would you wait till the last day?
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Yeah, I mean, I don't have a good answer for you. Yeah, anyways
Mary back to the original topic
Um when Mira is helping violet get ready. She's repacking everything. She's taking all the books out of her pack
She takes the baron the the fables of the baron out of there and
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um
Violet is like no, that's all I have left of dad
like I want to take that with me and Mira's like no leave it because
your life is more valuable than this book and
um
They were talking about like what was in it and
So violet explains it to her and Mira says
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dad in his
Allegories dad something like that. Yeah. Um
Um
Ditch the books dad can't save you. He tried I tried
So that was actually when I had written down as well
Because I was like, okay
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What do you mean dad tried right?
But I think we see along the way he had tried to prepare violet for
Either outcome of her going to the scribes or the writer squadron
I think he always wanted her to be a scribe. Mm-hmm
But I think he's on to how he knew like Lilith was not gonna just let that fly
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Yeah, I wonder if he
Because Lilith in iron flame she says that
If she went into the the reason that she made her go into the writer's quadrant was because she knew that when she was in
The the scribe quadrant she would find out the truth. Yep, and they would kill her for it. Yep
So I wonder why Asher
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thought that she would be safe there like did he think that
He could protect her somehow where they would know together and they could
Figure out something or maybe he thought Markham was better than he was
I don't know because he consistently says do not trust anyone. Correct only Mira. Yep
which like
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Not your mom not your brother. Yeah only your sister. Well, I
Well, I'm Brennan Brennan is Brennan, but like that's the other thing is like
Asher and Lilith were married. They loved each other. I mean they say that throughout the book. Yeah, they loved each other
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How do you
On one hand love somebody who's keeping a secret from the rest of the world that is killing people
But then I'll say then
Say then
I'm just saying
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Um, okay, we'll come back to that
Um, how do you on one hand?
You're married to somebody who's like
Keeping this huge secret right that you know Venon exist and they're out there
They're draining people and taking their lives and killing them and you're leaving them to basically fend for themselves
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And you're perpetrating these lies that you're telling the entire country. Yep
And then on the other hand be like don't trust anybody like
I'm on the lookout for a cure like I know what's going on like how do you
Like walk that line. Yeah
I just I can't imagine it like
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I think I'd
lose my mind if I was married to someone who just kept secrets from me
but also
Like life changing soul altering secrets
Like I don't know how you maybe it's just me like I can't keep secrets like that. No, I would never be able to keep a secret
That would hurt somebody else
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And I would I mean
They both had to know that the other knew right they both said that they talked about it
Right like I'm sure that there was a joint decision of while nobody else was doing anything about it
We just got to keep it a secret otherwise. We're not going to be here to raise our kids right
At least that's my thought process
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I guess so I mean
Lilith seems like she likes to put her children first, but it's not always for their
What's best for them? It's like what's best?
For her in the long run
Yeah, like it's it's kind of like even if it hurts them she's gonna do it because she thinks it's better for them
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Yeah, even if it's not mother knows best. Yeah, literally though like
It sucks, but let's just hope she's not you know
Using their magic to turn back time so that she doesn't look ugly
No one said she's just trading the magic
Right. She just did she's she's a little dead
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For now, who knows?
Jack fucking Barlow came back so you know what if Jack Barlow could come back
Liam can come back, but I know he's not going to
So I have a whole thing in here about Liam. I love Liam so much
But I saw Rebecca say that the reason she killed him
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She knew she was gonna kill him the moment that she introduced him. Yep. Yeah, I saw that because he's perfect and had no character arc
So he had to go
He was a Mary Sue
Excuse me a Mary Sue
What is that?
If you don't know you don't know if you know you know, all right. Well, I'm clearly out of the loop on that one
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Uh
But Liam was just one of the most beloved characters like she did such a good job
Of making him a loved marked one. Yes. And like really humanizing them and like even though
Yes, obviously like Zaden is Zaden
Having Zaden is like he's a morally gray character though. Liam was not Liam was good to the core
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Yeah, but still loved both Zaden and Violet and wanted them to work things out
And was there for both of them in some of the darkest times, right?
I was annotating in my Kindle
It was it was
I
The first time Liam came up
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Uh when they first introduced him not even like when she first talks to him just when they say like that's his name when they're under the tree
Yeah
I was all I said was pain
I literally I also annotated annotated that and I said, well, this is gonna hurt
I said pain not both my liam's being dead
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I was like no
Dude
That is brutal. I was crying. It was like I always said was his name and I'm like dude. I can't take this anymore
It's literally 30 seconds and I was like
So so when you wrote pain
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Did you
Oh my god, but I should have
It's a good thing you got it Kindle notes. I know I'll have to edit it. Okay. I'm without the why
Are you feeling pain? Love you buddy. Yeah. Anyway
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We're gonna get off that topic daddy direction. I know we'll get back to the books. Yes before I actually cry
Yeah, let's not let's not do that yet
All right
You got anything I mean I have a lot um
So I guess I want to go just like in general
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Before on x storm. Mm-hmm. So
Before I read on x storm. I thought that violet was a type of intense
Turns out I was right, but I didn't realize that she was a dreamwalker
I guess who did yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Who guessed it?
Just you did you did indeed
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I thought that she was some kind of like feelings and tinsic because there was a couple different times throughout the first two books
Where she was able to like feel others emotions or at least rebecca made it seem like it
So, you know, there was a passage where she was like
Um, you know all of a sudden this anxiety washed over me and it didn't feel like my own
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and I was like
Okay, so there's probably
Terrence
It's probably Terrence or in darnas or satans. Yeah, like and which I realize now
Even like possibly sick alas like it could have been for sure
I don't think so because she doesn't seem like the type to get anxious or shoot her
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Her feelings towards a violent of all people but
No stranger things have happened
Yeah, like two and ten's like marrying each other. Anyway
um
I also I kind of sat here. I was like, I think those descriptions may have been
Really just talking about her own very powerful feelings and like she wasn't quite sure how to handle some of those
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Um, speaking of power
Let's talk about and dana for a minute. Okay, so I have written down
Um, I think when she channels when they and dana she is only channeling from the sky
I don't think that she's channeling from the ground
which is why and dana is
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So she is going to be so powerful and why she can kill the venin with her fire
And dana also says
um
That she feels her power shift
When she shifts colors
So when she uses her like
irid power to switch colors
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She feels her power change
So I think in those moments
Like she is channeling
And I think that goes into
Violet and what violet can do because violet uses her
Lightening and that kills the venin. Well
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Violet's lightning
Is like her signet is not
Lightning her power is like it's pure power. She just chooses to form it as lightning. So
Technically she's not really a lightning wielder. Although she does wield lightning. She's just a power wielder. She yeah, she could
Make her power into any form. Yeah, which I hope we get to see in a future book. Yeah, Rebecca
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at Rebecca Yarrows
Please go more into that because that would be amazing. Yeah
But yeah, so I I would be interested to see
If her power
If she uses it in any other form other than just lightning, right because we know that's what she's comfortable with
But we also know that she's gonna need a lot of training and she's gonna get more powerful. Yeah, so maybe
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She'll become more comfortable doing other things with it for sure especially depending on
You know, what kind of venin she will be fighting
Yeah, like her husband
Well, let's hope not. I hope not
um
I've said from the beginning though. You and I have had this conversation a few different times. I think that her
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like her
Signat overall is going to be her
Having ownership over the sky or her drawing power from the sky
Yeah, because they say that a few different times of like she you know, she wants to pull
What is it? It wants to pluck strands from the sky and weave them into runes
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She can talk to the other dragons and they don't kill her or roast her as soon as she
Speaks to them even though she's not bonded to them
They
There's just so many different
times throughout the books
where
They're you know, her trainer or her teacher or whatever
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Is like surprised that she only wields these huge powerful blasts
Yeah, but never that's how anyone she controlled the the little ones. Yeah, and she needs a conduit
What I will say I have a friend who is currently reading onyx storm
And he messaged me and he was like hey, could you clarify some things for me? I have some questions
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Oh, no, we all have questions. Sweet cheeks
Because it was because he had not re-read fourth wing and iron wing
So he was like, okay, I don't remember why they're looking for the seventh
Like how do they know they even still exist blah blah blah that kind of stuff
So I I explained it to him like how they knew
And he was like, oh, I think it would be really cool if violet was a human debilator at some point
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I was like, yes, it would be pretty cool. Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen in this book, but yes
So that would be a cool way to see her use her like the human control in a controlled way. Yeah
I just I want her I want to see her be able to control it without the conduit. Yes. Like yes, absolutely
She has to be able to control it, but I almost think it's a telltale sign of like
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She can't control the amount of power that she has
Yeah, I I have a feeling that that is going to be
a big issue
Where you know, she's she's got to
Do some really controlled strikes and she doesn't have the conduit and either she's gonna burn out
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or
I don't know. I don't know. She's gonna figure it out. Yeah. She'd have to she yeah, I mean she can't fail
It's life or death. Yeah, she has to
Let's just hope it's not against Zaden
You know
Zady can stay far away during that. I know. I'll be like, okay. I'll just like hang out over here in my cave
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Put the other one in. Yeah
All right your turn
Um, I want to talk about
Asher for a minute. Okay. Um
One of the things that Violet says in fourth wing
Is her dad always told her your mind already knows the answer. So just calm down and let it remember
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That's what she says to herself as she's um walking across the parrot path. Yep, and
She says she he always told her that and then he leaves her all of these
Clues the journal that he knows only she will be able to open
The books that he leaves for her an onyx storm the letter that he sends to her
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I feel like he gave her the answer. I feel like she has the answer
She knows how to cure the venom. She just has to remember. Yeah, like I feel like
He laid out all of the clues for sure and
She she just needs to figure it out
Like it's all there. I feel like even for us. It's probably all there. Oh for sure
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But or at least mostly. Yeah
Um, the rest will be revealed next book. Yeah, true years at least. I know
um
There is a part where
Um, they're talking about
His research that he does on feather tails. Yes. Yes, and hold on. I'm trying to find it. Oh
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Uh taren promises. I know nothing of your father's research, but in darno has gone silent
So I think in darno knows more men either in darno knows more than she's letting on
Or in darno knows more than she realizes
I think it might be a combination of both. Yeah, I
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look
I thought about that too with him doing all of this research on feather tails
And I think it's verish who says either that or atos
um
Says like isn't it coincidence that you just happened to bond one?
Hmm. Yeah
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That is pretty strange though
Well, not really
I mean is it's not strange like
Well, yeah, you know like it's
It's like he knew but how would you know?
How are they gonna know? Nobody's gonna know. No, but that's true because I mean
And darno was still chilling in an egg right. She was
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Wait a second
Though because we don't know when she has she started hatching two years before thrashing two years before thrashing would have been when her
dad died
Hold up
Mic drop
I
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I feel like we probably got something really wrong. Oh 100% like the timing is off. Yeah. Well, okay. So but
Didn't her dad die like five years ago? No, brennan. No brennan left six years ago
And then dad's no chest pain started
Dad's chest pain started when brennan quote unquote died. Um, which is
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sus but
Her dad didn't die until a year before
Violet entered the quadrant. Okay. Okay
because
That was like the six months was like the halfway point
Because her mom wouldn't talk to her because she said my mom didn't talk to me for almost a year after
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Mmm. Okay
Yeah, so I'm pretty sure it's like at least two or three years. Okay
So I mean
He could have known about it and dharnah
He could have been doing research on her. She could have been working with with her dad. Mm-hmm
But she wasn't
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I don't know if she was hatched or not. Yeah, and how would he have he's not a rider. He's a he's subscribed
So how would he have been in the bow?
Well, I guess
The islands
When he went to go visit the one island who's gonna say that he never went to the other
And saw all of the irids and they all still have other tales because they asked and dharnah what she did to her tail
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Because she's a scorpion tail, right?
So what if he
You think they told him that she was there? I do
Maybe
Because she said that she he was a peaceful
Little not a violent person. Maybe they would have felt more comfortable talking to him. Yeah
and she and dharnah says like
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I heard of a general's daughter
Who was 18
Hmm, I remember that now. Yeah who and I knew that she would have the mind of a scribe in the heart of a rider
Alexa living her mon
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It's awesome. Um
So I think that part of her like part of and dharnah
Like decided to start hatching at that point. Mm-hmm
And if her dad was still around and her dad had talked to the other irids
Maybe there was because how is she gonna hear anything from a human where she's in the eye?
She's in the eye. She can only communicate with other dragons, right?
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Or did she I think it's it said some she heard the elders talking maybe so how would the elders know
Especially because the the irids hadn't come
It's not like they were traveling back and forth. No, they weren't communicating with the empire in right so I wonder if
I
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See but I don't know how many times asher went back there
Like would he have gone back there when she was 18?
He wouldn't have because he would have been
Having a heart attack like he was sick. Yeah, but isn't when did he drop off the books? When did he talk about dane?
That's true because at three years old
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And like she's not gonna be in love with her best friend at three years old, right? But at 18
It's very possible very possible. He had to go back there at least one more time at least. Yeah
Hmm
I got some questions. I have more questions than answers now
It's me too. I mean a hundred percent with this entire book. I have way more questions
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Yeah, and I'm kind of glad that like all the theories that people had for the most part not all of them. I know some of them were right
but um, I'm glad most of them are wrong. Yeah, like I'm
I try to stay away from them now because I'm like I don't want
I don't want someone else who's smarter than me to figure it out and then I don't get that big
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Aha moment, right. Yeah, I agree
So I try not to watch too many of them
We'll just construct our own conspiracy theories over here. Yeah, we we will start the rumors
I love that
Okay
Um, what else you got an Asher anything else?
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I'm sure at some point it'll come back up. Okay, but I want to switch gears for a second and I want to talk about
The one who came before
Naolin. Yes. Okay
I'll let you lead
So
Not even getting into the whole thing with Brennan. I don't want to first talk about
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Taren's reaction anytime that this man is brought up. We do not speak of the one who came before. Yes
Is it because he's grieving?
Or is it because he regrets his choice in writer?
I think it's because he regrets his choice
This leads me down a rabbit hole. Are you prepared for this? Yes, because it's also going to lead me down a rabbit hole because I have
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A lot of thoughts. So do I okay? So
When it comes to Naolin, I think that
One he's still alive, but I think he's a venin. See I
I think that but then again, I'm not gonna say anything
I think that but then again, I'm like
But how would Taren be able to?
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Bond another person like they would still have that bond because
Zaden is venin. Yeah, and him and sgaus sagaus still have their bond but for how long?
That's a question. There is no sage
That is bonded to a dragon. They're all only bonded to wyvern
and the ones that they created
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There is nobody who rides a dragon into battle. So how long does that bond last after somebody gives up their soul?
right
I also want to know side note. This is like taking a real big left turn
So we know that jack barlow is like deep in venin like he he's not just like a
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Initiate he's like he was I think he was like a level two though
Yeah, like he was not he was nowhere near a safe. He's like an ace him. Yeah
But still like that's even farther than Zaden ever was until
Tulling on
Yeah, and to the unix storm
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But he I don't know if you remember specifically they said in iron flame
They were in the
The room where the with the word stone. Yeah. Yes, and that's when
He slits her throat correct and has her bleed over the top of the yeah the word stone
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So like I have questions right like so when did their bond break because
There's no bond break. So I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point
Right like so when did their bond break because there's no way in how
That a rider can kill their dragon if they're still bonded. I just don't think that's possible
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So I think that that bond breaks at some point especially because sigail screams at zaden
I chose you
You can't I chose you
So I feel like that bond breaks at some point
Well, you know that bonds can break because and dana brokers
How she came right back was like goddamn girl. I was so mad at her. I was like you little teenage
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You did
Like ready to ground her ass
Literally to the veil hit your ass back there
No phone for a week
No sheep for a week
I'm sorry to stop laughing long enough to say that
Uh
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But I so they definitely can break that bond
I guess my concern is
Taren has said multiple times
You are my last rider. I chose you
You are there will be none after you you are my last
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Yeah, if you go I go right
So my concern is
What happens if sigail also feels that way
Because the mating bond
That mating bond makes me very nervous me too because of one dies the other dies which means that so does their rider
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Unless it's violet my who has and dana. Yes
So I know that Rebecca has
Very clearly stated that in book number four one of our favorites does not make it
I'm so concerned. It's gonna be Taren and sigail. Yeah
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I thought it was happening in book three. I also think it might be Riddick
Which I will I will fucking revolt. I'm showing up at your house Rebecca with a pitchfork and a torch
And just stand there. We're not yeah, I need you to resolve it in book five
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I will I you're gonna have another rebellion on your hands. Okay. Yeah, and it's gonna be from your readers, baby girl
Yeah, yeah, no, uh, if they do anything to my baby Riddick, I will literally lose my mind
I will say though that I know that she's also said that sometimes she does things just because she knows that they will cause pain
Which like
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Why baby, but also please don't yeah, please don't do that to me. Please no more. I am not emotionally stable enough
No
Um, but yes the the meeting bond
The how often it's mentioned and how big of a plot point it is with
The distance between scouts sigail and Taren and how they can't spend a lot of time apart and you know, it
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It furthers a lot of the book for sure. Um, it makes me nervous that
It is going to be
an issue
and I'm thinking like if
What we were saying is correct about you know as far as you go in the vennin you lose your pond with your dragon and
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so that won't
Kill them because they're not neither one of them is dying
It's just a broken bond
And then obviously like the other one would die or and then violet would have in dharnah
As long as she sticks her ass around. I know unless she'd you know, beliefs her again. Which I don't think she will but
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Let's hope not
I don't know. You never know but
It does concern me. Yeah
that whole
The whole meeting bond really really
irks me and makes me very concerned on like a
Soul deep level. Yeah, no pun intended
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Yeah, I don't
Like it's cute. I love it about the same time. It's like very anxiety inducing. I have a lovely relationship with it for sure. Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
Uh mates. Yeah
Do you think do you think?
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Yeah gave
Tang some soup. You know, like here you go. Just some sheep soup. Yeah
Okay, I'm just laughing because like if I pull my pull my leg of my my leg and up you'll see my soup
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Um
That sounded really inappropriate
I did I have a tattoo of that kind of soup girl
No, I have a tattoo of uh, fairer and
Reese and a bowl of soup a bowl of soup. So it's fine
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um, so
Get back on back
You went off track. I did. I'm sorry. I do that a lot. Um fact now Lynn. Naomi. No, Naomi. Yes. Yes. Okay
Um, let's let's
Let's bring up
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them
The b-word the b-word
So Brennan, yes, so Brennan and Naomi
I feel like they were lovers. I feel like there's definitely a bigger relationship there for sure
It's not like they were just friends
The part that is very suspicious to me
is that
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When violet asks
Or I don't know if she asks him but they're talking about it
He does not say what happened. She tells him what happened
The only thing I think that Brennan says is that he gave his all. Yeah, that's it. That's it
Why will no one talk about neolan right
Is he a sage because I don't think they even
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clearly state
How Brennan
Made it out alive. There's no conversation about it. There's no background on it. There's nothing. It's just
Neolan gave his all. Yeah, he was a mender or no, he was not a mender. He was a siphon. Mm-hmm
Where did he get the power from?
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The ground
because
We don't actually know if he turned to venin though
right
So if it's not if he's not a venin
Where did he get it from?
Because he can't siphon
A dead person's power from them and then give it back to them, right?
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but also
If Brennan was dying
How how would any siphon do any good?
Right like even getting a siphon back in is it like filling up his own power to be able to heal himself
Is he like kind of like imbuing him right?
That's question. He would need it be like
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They would need another person
Another being another powerful being to siphon energy from to send into Brennan to heal him
Right
So
We're missing a big third. Yeah, you want to be my third?
No
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So like I think we're so missing a huge chunk of that story 100 especially because we haven't even heard it from the source
We haven't heard much of anything. No, because no one will talk about him
The only person we've heard it from is
Is the professor
Who told right but even that was so minimal
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Yeah, and that's gotta be whatever the scribes say right so you don't know that that's true either. No
And taren won't talk about it. He won't say yes or no to any of them. He just says we're not going to talk about him. Yep
Which why won't taren talk about him?
That's a question. That's what it comes down to is why
Why will he not to speak anything about him?
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And why is he so adamant that violet will be his last
Well, they do say that the more powerful the rider the more strong the bond for sure and the bond could the more strong the bond
right in
But I think that taren's gonna
sacrifice himself
No, you can't there must be another way
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Not me not Zaden. Yo, he's going to sacrifice himself
See that was all you that was all you
Yes, but it's fine because it's Harry Potter
Oh
Oh
I just read this
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Your father made sure you'd know everything you needed or where to find it
So where the fuck is the cure?
I think the irids know
There's I think there's a lot more
I think the irids know too and I think that's why and dana went back
But we never got to learn anything that she learned while she was there
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Yeah
Well, I don't think it was long enough. I don't think it was long enough either
But I think that there was at least something that may be triggered. I mean what triggered her to come back
Why did she come back?
It's not like she was bonded so she didn't know that violet was in trouble. Yeah
Maybe she was like
I don't fuck up a you guys are not violent enough for me. So I need to go back and I'm a violent little teenager
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She is she's aggressive. She is she wants to eat everything
She wants to you know take pictures of her
She wants to you know take people's kneecaps out. No, no, she wants to gouge their eyes out. Oh, yes
Taryn says that the kneecaps are a better target
You're right
Which like cat deserves that
It's fine
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I will say the second croplin uprising that Asher was
Investigating researching documenting. Yeah. I I think that's that's definitely a big play into
What happened because I mean we know that the
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Venom were a big issue once before and then they were whether they were eradicated or they went
They were banished. Yeah, they were banished by a shadow wielder and a storm wielder or a lightning wielder. When does it say that?
I don't remember. I think it's an iron flame. So yeah, because so they say that the
um
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The venon were banished to the barons
for hundreds of years
by the
the last time that there was a
Shadow wielder and a lightning wielder who existed at the same time
So that's why everyone looks to Zaden and Violet and think that they're the
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The way that all of this is going to get
You know taken care of and that we're gonna we're gonna banish them again back to the barons. I see
Maybe they should stop banishing and just start killing
Because that's in Danna's way
That's in Danna's way. It is. We're curing. You know, we don't always have to go violent. It could be curing. Only for theophany.
Lady Vennan. Lady Vennan.
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Um
Because obviously banishing them was not a cure all. No, it did not fix it. It did good for a few for what 650 years
Because that's how long and Danna waited to
Yeah. Hatch. Hatch.
Because she was left behind for this purpose. Yeah.
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Poor Danna.
That's a long nap. Are you kidding me? I would love that kind of nap. Girl, I need that.
We're tired bitches up in here.
Um
I also want to talk about
Zaden killing Alec
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Okay. And the three brothers
The three brothers that are so reminiscent of the Harry Potter three brothers
Yes. The Deathly Hallows. This is the the Imperian version of the Dragon version.
Yeah
Um
Do you think it's strange that
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The king has three sons?
I don't know if there's a relation there
But I'm kind of feeling it's a little weird
I want to know what happened in that cave where he was quote unquote bullying Garrick
Which made Zaden kill him. It was during thrashing. Yes
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I do want to know about that as well. I don't think that it's weird that there's three
I do think that it's weird that Halden and Alec were twins
They were twins?
They were twins
So that they were roommates
So they were twins and then Eric Cam however you want to call him was the youngest brother
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So I think it's strange that there was twin boys and that they weren't together
Like I guess maybe I think about like Fred and George they were always together
Yeah
Not all twins are like that but you'd think during thrashing you'd probably stick together
But Halden isn't he's not a dragon rider
No he's a dick
He is a dick but he's in the infantry
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Yes
So he wouldn't have been there at thrashing
Well that's true
So I guess why didn't they go to the same place?
Like why would Alec and Eric or Cam whatever we want to call him Eric?
We can call him Eric
Okay
So why would both Alec and Cam oh my god Alec and Eric Jesus Christ
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Why would they both go into the riders quadrant if they're literally in line for the throne
And then there's just Halden who's being Halden
We don't really know much about Alec and that's we know nothing other than Zaden killed him because he was being a dick to Eric
Right
So I want to know was I feel like if he was being a dick to Garrick he was not in the riders quadrant for the same reasons that Eric is
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Oh for sure
He probably went there for some bad reasons
Yes
Whatever they may be whether he wanted the power from dragons or he just wanted to prove himself because they are always saying how riders are better than them
Riders are like better than everybody else
But if your prince in line for the throne like they're twins
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So I mean you got pretty much an equal shot
Yeah
Why are you joining the riders quadrant?
Don't you pretty much have everything you could want? You've got the power, you've got the money, you've got
You have every opportunity available to you, right? Why choose to go in the riders quadrant
And Eric joining was literally because Halden wasn't doing anything with the information that he had right which was that there were running right
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So what was Alec doing
And why was Alec in the riders quadrant?
Yeah, when will we actually
Am I just like automatically assuming he's a bad person because he was bullying Garrick?
Probably because he's a little baby Garrick
I know
First of all, Garrick, he's like a fucking mountain of a man
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How are you bullying him?
I mean yeah, that was a good question
I mean Zaden could have also just been Zaden and went off the rails
He was probably angry at that point in time
And like the king didn't exactly help things when his dad
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To me, I don't know
He could have been for revenge
Especially with like how pompously he says like I regret I don't regret killing your brother
What a thing to say to a first year
And a prince at that
Right
And the fact that the king doesn't even know that Zaden's the one who killed him
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So that was what I was going to say next is how does Eric know that Zaden was the one that killed him?
Right, who told him? Because Halden doesn't know
No, Halden knows all about the vending but Halden doesn't know that Zaden killed him
No
And obviously the king doesn't know or Zaden would be dead
My only other thought is
Is he actually dead
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And I didn't say that so that he went off like and
Like you think he went into hiding or something?
I do because and I'm just thinking about those right now so bear with me here
Well like what if Alec went into hiding because he knew he found out too much
Maybe his dad sent him into the Ryder's quadrant
And he knew too much and was expected to die
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Because it talks all about these three brothers
I mean one of them is known to be kind of an asshole
Halden's got that title on lock
So
What's up? Like where you know where is Alec? Where's his body? Why does the king not know
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That he's dead if he is
Right
Or does he know that he's dead?
I would imagine if Zaden killed him
There would have been more consequences
Even if they can't kill him because he's like powerful
But that's such a I don't think that the king would have cared at that point
No he would just want him dead because that's his son
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Yeah
Wednesday
This is Wednesday everybody
Say hello
And when you start looking at the microphone
Oh okay
Come on let's not bite that girl
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We're gonna lol too into it
She was like are you guys gonna take a break for a second
Are you gonna hang out here?
I don't suggest eating that
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Can you hear me?
Wednesday
Lay down babe
Alright so anyway now that she's decided to maybe go lay down somewhere
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Or sniff Chelsea's hair one of the two
Chewing on my hair
Curlpots
No
Can you lay down please?
You're very cute
Okay
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I just have more questions and answers about the three brothers to be honest
Yeah I'm trying to find the passage
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